From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 12:34:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDC2B18345A; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7aEqrUXC/QSC+O3ALl8kR/A7CGkYzzqJCMvh2UTd6Ws=; b=A4powkYH6XDgfsr6BpaivUF7j68vl1WCwMNUMCrI55kDGYjOuBd2v2zmbuN769JJ1K qAfbheNxehvH03Pr13I2fcEdwjqo7+dpR9jH4AjOqe24mi1m6UTE1r7X+61XcalbfNSd 0MblRI0i5fHDjuZJA9bHbmm5+7HZcrOePKA8A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:34:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: georg hartmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c7d66ab323104b7e64bb4 Resent-Message-ID: <9D7wIC.A.OoB._ETKPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:34:07 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c7d66ab323104b7e64bb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So you use the "internal" pitch shifting? thanks for the info Georg --f46d043c7d66ab323104b7e64bb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 So you use the "internal" pitch shifting?
thanks for the info
Georg
--f46d043c7d66ab323104b7e64bb4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 13:00:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CB88183455; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dR1GpzKU9EicMHCKJzqrcKd1UMl7DU94l4fnOvuEsX8=; b=SY0jcD/8sQP3/HJkkbYASQOiU+ELtbFmHcbeyqMhL2AbM775C1dleYtbeCy67fvHBc 4GSTyJWftjqxwRagYu152Q1lb+rZFNxZpe6H4zq1MfWJ6JkKKHUWZIaHG7j2nNpB2tjd B2Yf9eupUn6yfucHJzzFJetpgyX3H5IzzR3U4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:00:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:00:30 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:34 PM, georg hartmann wrote: > So you use the "internal" pitch shifting? No. I use rate shifting. A completely different thing, both technically and musically. In the Mobius looper there are both Pitch Shift and Rate Shift available. Pitch Shift also applies time-stretch algorithms to the loop and this is not working well for real-time audio as live looping is all about. It takes too much time for the computer to calculate and imply the new loop length and the result is a process much slower and lousy sounding. On the other hand, going with Rate Shift (as is my choice) gives you instant access to any pitch at a good fidelity but you'll have to deal with the fact that loops take on a new length with each new speed/transposition. This post was a little more detailed version. Hope it makes sense. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 18:48:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B896A183461; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kn9k0QqmMlh6weBhFsoyY635KW9wHBofFOz95PmXJk0=; b=fhXYN1UoFtjGhY8t7enf9O5rRVLLnL9o5ABhJylZYi2zKhpJL2voRii3v2lqwqS0kF 2mSyVdp9ZJVC0/mkdwVQAoP4oi4pcR7dWc3qKixy1lwIgSLE66Dip33LWxTE4QdtDHoE MIzK4KS4w3BqHqn/hCvltWy17zJAk4vUXDjNI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:48:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: georg hartmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307abe719ed28104b7eb8598 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:48:14 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307abe719ed28104b7eb8598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the answer, I'm using Sooperlooper on linux. Do you know any other software (Standalone, Win or linux) or a hardware solution? Georg --20cf307abe719ed28104b7eb8598 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Thanks for the answer,
I'm using Sooperlooper on linux. Do you know any other software (Standalone, Win or linux) or a hardware solution?

Georg


--20cf307abe719ed28104b7eb8598-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 22:08:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F421E18345A; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zqngTS/xvaGXMyLnQalvr8P+YrXTNeXs6OVzrNQC670=; b=D1nsDx1n3VTdIrfjn5JLuX2UhAt51eDFN1Dw9tbxDO+CEsFwz6NAzNUHtbnXtqEm8g S5vtg6lcWXRxvSZb6dlNYD/N5AcJ52fxYYkJY2z+O0AdIH3MzqotRQ4167qE1UtcWO0t j0qFIoPYOqgpgbA/L4pRU+Hr7DwY9XIJshx9A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:08:25 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Michael Brook From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:08:26 +0000 (UTC) For those who dig Michael Brook (and who wouldn't :-) he is giving away a huge trove of music on his website http://michaelbrookmusic.com//bulk-downloads Over 20 volumes of stuff! Happy happy day. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 22:18:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2F618345C; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I/Z6OmIcIt1IbqmVQwVUQtagKefhS4ClTNbciYpKqGc=; b=JIqzXIfpmQM5wPTAjx/1uvZ9pbGxlhAJ5E9B/PauM8aq7DgC2KLa3PUG5+zgSJg7JG h17hhC0Ws8/NChrr1LZZh8cPUgPfR6Yg/+Y4xOAspiXdwQcauqmGPpKjryOxCq4N6f+/ heQUP4UPZBHH6lCLytR/UDIFRGA8YFswz9pQg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 23:18:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Michael Brook From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that's amazing! I listened a lot to his releases with Daniel Lanois in the early eighties but then I moved to a different city and had problems finding his records. Looking forward now to catch with 30 years of his creative output! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > For those who dig Michael Brook (and who wouldn't :-) he is giving > away a huge trove of music on his website > > http://michaelbrookmusic.com//bulk-downloads > > Over 20 volumes of stuff! > > Happy happy day. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=C2=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 22:39:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8645183461; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zlg5XGq7XkNAMmWr/NfYraMYY8zqUoZxs0WIUCBZvys=; b=dxFkaTdQ3VSrfLiv3imYin6eI8iGa+Cn5gDl99RAmNXJPat9Py4J6fXqn/xH12aD9Y 1f9SAVW8zYNThLN8OhvPiswEX+Ns9w3jrZh+eX/eDE0rEcc/gOTtrJDI1ElruvPZJVub +61ihO2KQh2JnLx96JRlXTByeNfeuCgoWT09I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:39:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Michael Brook From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22bdc557970b04b7eec055 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:39:25 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22bdc557970b04b7eec055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Kevin. That is a LOT of music. Downloading now. Jeffrey On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Wow, that's amazing! I listened a lot to his releases with Daniel > Lanois in the early eighties but then I moved to a different city and > had problems finding his records. Looking forward now to catch with 30 > years of his creative output! :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: > > For those who dig Michael Brook (and who wouldn't :-) he is giving > > away a huge trove of music on his website > > > > http://michaelbrookmusic.com//bulk-downloads > > > > Over 20 volumes of stuff! > > > > Happy happy day. > > > > Kevin > > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > > > --e89a8f22bdc557970b04b7eec055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Kevin. That is a LOT of music. Downloading now.

J= effrey

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Pe= r Boysen <perbo= ysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, that's amazing! I listened a lot to= his releases with Daniel
Lanois in the early eighties but then I moved to a different city and
had problems finding his records. Looking forward now to catch with 30
years of his creative output! :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
<billowhead@gmail.com> wr= ote:
> For those who dig Michael Brook (and who wouldn't :-) he is giving=
> away a huge trove of music on his website
>
> http://michaelbrookmusic.com//bulk-downloads
>
> Over 20 volumes of stuff!
>
> Happy happy day.
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trou= ble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>


--e89a8f22bdc557970b04b7eec055-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 02:42:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A3FC18345B; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 02:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Michael Brook From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:42:47 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0E3A985A-CC81-4504-8AE6-7D65F4F378E4@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 02:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Michael Brook... produced one of my favorite things of all time... Mary = Margaret O'Hara's "Miss America." If you have not heard that, you should consider adding it to your 'go = get it' list... Phil :) On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > For those who dig Michael Brook (and who wouldn't :-) he is giving > away a huge trove of music on his website >=20 > http://michaelbrookmusic.com//bulk-downloads >=20 > Over 20 volumes of stuff! >=20 > Happy happy day. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 02:50:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22FE118345E; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 02:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=n6qNFYaDAAAA:8 a=kpHFvfvXAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=73bAwxTMGEByqe5VlQUA:9 a=crEk5acHMkDo1rFHoF8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Michael Brook From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:50:51 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 02:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Kevin, Thank you for posting this. Been a fan of Mr. Brook since first hearing "Hybrid" back in the '80s. Of course I've picked up a lot of his stuff over the years. But now, suddenly, my collection of his work has tripled . . . or even = quadrupled. Big thanks! Ted On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > For those who dig Michael Brook (and who wouldn't :-) he is giving > away a huge trove of music on his website >=20 > http://michaelbrookmusic.com//bulk-downloads >=20 > Over 20 volumes of stuff! >=20 > Happy happy day. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 08:52:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2BBF18345A; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jyhAH/F6+OVGttAteDebK6zupEeA76GUIL1QdKTRI18=; b=AwVhDVJvO2v9hoyroMHDm5Xfidenb9i0Fdm3o5DfNyfEP9dwfi6v1xLBiUbkMjiJe/ Ry9y+JqGzNyo3TdBB37ATm8f8swC9XbQj/YOJw8g+v/zKeyJtRMK1Wf4PGrK9mf/6mYt 0ph2HEv5CKwlTuXUs2DJlpF50bEG+itghBYrw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 00:52:31 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Nice Zoe Keating interview - establishing oneself as an artist. From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating just linked to a nice interview of her on facebook. The focus of the interview is mostly how to become a professional musician. http://youtu.be/gzvz9wzpBuY At first, there seems to be an "Underpants Gnomes" element to Zoe's story, which works something like this: 1) Post music online, on Itunes, bandcamp, etc. 2) ? 3) Lots of people download the music, and invite you to lots of gigs. However, around 28:30 and especially 31:20, she starts really getting into what musicians should do to make connections. She discusses creating musical networks, and saying yes to things (because someone like National Public Radio might happen to be at some of the more difficult events). Earlier on, she talks about how she makes time for promotion/social networking as part of her career. Randolf Arriola is one of the questioners. Oh Zoe, I've missed your nervous laugh. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 21:47:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08C7183463; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 21:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 474009.74320.bm@omp1028.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328219235; bh=EeIOPVh3hZINFOZnK3geem7FAnG1MfF3omSLdKw5nZE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qc4/MsQQ8BYhdksNrHn+E/+i5d1i74Ig9czdiXdEa2ss10gPxXhHmbb3OQluwJyrmY8aHTHvRWtevIaru134YEhMAlM7+TKk4BlxLxW3iKET3DCZvhIgF4fiurFTKxGhzeXpaW1Lj9n9n5Z+53askwS0TljkC6uJFAmPFs5noDM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JBMOUCABlTRUyx33/w66IJJEPD3SJA0n7rY8CISymI8/O/2ppsIRBOGT/YFtn4Nc4NjWSzfrPCmoS7CKK7neEtx4op8qQF8QaiLAzwUDGElk9NJoUzV6ZZe6rC/VIIRfZ3f/Qom7ua9o6waNR9UpKpTb9RTCZu5XT2qzAghsGc0=; X-YMail-OSG: y6ybRtwVM1lj4b5eB56qumpTmja2NXCIbPIihBOtBXFr_On vuJyEmm8fvhdEAcOy80W_VcwjVSmIk99cja63yvmVFD4yoFvYlaZZ0w.jH0c nc0GcF5wFfoIoVC69mwVo54_ib_OKLP6MK3v6YV11AdVvuS5Ba4x6PC2AGNx R5va3onw_NKLfjX8509_55UWTSGCygBasKb_6HZA9HFOz8wkdfirHRlPtNSC p8l7brPNmxfpNue8mWBnaIZYeQFXZ2aomJ35FoWPfudmmSoOeP3tRYWuAg.V UPQZJ.SlKOyI3cxPypUhId_edBDd_.GYVnih1O2Rw1B2F.VH6wbrOlYByh1l v6CD3gdE.U6gV.DuiZIUtgO08_GR5NfMeJHt.u6VEG3JV7aFhcTabDKs4y3j bJIYyrhOjdXa4kHjjUM18i2X6gWP6jgs- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 Message-ID: <1328219235.79630.YahooMailNeo@web113603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:47:15 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Ross Reply-To: Dennis Ross Subject: unsubscribe To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-850505836-2146418431-1328219235=:79630" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 21:47:16 +0000 (UTC) ---850505836-2146418431-1328219235=:79630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii unsubscribe ---850505836-2146418431-1328219235=:79630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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---850505836-2146418431-1328219235=:79630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 22:05:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B162D183463; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 22:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2B088D.4000907@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:05:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2YKXkB.A.-mD.TiwKPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 22:05:07 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "CyberDiver" on NeuHarmony Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#feb Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 18:10:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98E27183466; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OaXcFoNU0y+GrLv16rMY6yHXuk7NcjjdQYZreg7bL4A=; b=qOyLX2klNEdCPuPRmTwGoTzcohsU/YMW397zWdE0lQ4+EUfYTSAK+EBm2/v5TMi2NH djtrAeb/tcGt4yiyTD4rPdoCsKIrJjQMmJJ8eYD75YGLgw4wDo2q2pRLCw70W6V8yfhl PybG9T3NVwuLAR3xQ3FqrbXSxILTuzoVM90H4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:10:30 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3020754667280704b8133ad8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:10:31 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3020754667280704b8133ad8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I usually start with a concept like: "What if I hang my looper from the freeway and I sing a set of notes underwater? What would happen?" Well, maybe not that extreme but some kind of, "what if?" gets it going. Then I practice that concept until I like the sound. Lindsey On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:48 AM, georg hartmann wrote: > Thanks for the answer, > I'm using Sooperlooper on linux. Do you know any other software > (Standalone, Win or linux) or a hardware solution? > > Georg > > > --20cf3020754667280704b8133ad8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I usually start with a concept like: =A0"What if I hang my looper from= the freeway and I sing a set of notes underwater? =A0What would happen?&qu= ot; =A0Well, maybe not that extreme but some kind of, "what if?" = gets it going. =A0Then I practice that concept until I like the sound. =A0<= div>
Lindsey

On Wed, Feb 1, 201= 2 at 10:48 AM, georg hartmann <georghartman@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the answer,
I'm using Sooperlooper on lin= ux. Do you know any other software (Standalone, Win or linux) or a hardware= solution?

Georg



--20cf3020754667280704b8133ad8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 21:37:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A053183465; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 790458.43287.bm@omp1047.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328305031; bh=LbfUePeJuvW94aS5Y69EDpZTWuJjJXgDQdTs66ebj7s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H+W27I9X0Km2xAjo0FYGgaP0OoPDrM6MvfWCICGLb1aJoo4Ac9CSgr3NtdYsSIYm6U6nSwsam6HqvgHiAq7lNAB4ZGKYImFmZzunW75hO+y9wiXxsmfdxdVkqlqF4L0z04GasFEOPQWMArpU/38dyQ8Tnv8h6IDvzFP+zFQ94ZE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t+WRx8xg4L65OvaO9zCZmy9rR3cqBkP7ntce4kPQEAgQLaVePsJpaVH+eIDESbFtoBEpWNhFJRLI39vtD/8xeYfVDpWwckiM8hhi4Md/1QUNXqwwvu+hJI91ONJjQ5bEdzdaGHw3miO1ceHQRX4qXMcbWMqNIybSyF8EkLUBeVc=; X-YMail-OSG: wotDeIQVM1nKeUM_58hGcA8_U9bOEXFV7OZccKIogYwt9od cWNlkbfjBzdhUOYySJRFYRuCfhzdBKJWB6z80rDtMO5ivH_XwJtYKIHR5YUV 23YMUKWbvt28rXx07jV2TOP.Tx5ZcKIMzMyqzfm6zTF088uWkNPVjYbBtJhV 5kX2eR5JD2baLlsD9FYHLcmgTS1gUMqjwwJykHoNV05KCBuPsCJpl40P8nkZ eDu60_oDL1njB6bFtEdhzOhblez4N4uH1IQ0ZJqceJ_eV620OYzaJ8ob2U6i IDvzDO0hEkYasrfWbl.d2YHhyGjSuVqV67oo6L3OZVibQsAx_nMKxNnIiC23 47zDVeHKYi5qVd0cJeFvaxPjf5tVQ8LukzoFTVOa1a.VWa5lIVh3VQzJ7DTJ iqkmC_0ReZVjn1SJwDSGgDuMzhsSpp8srHuRTr_x0._mOP3wE6CUMi25pj6W qwbGSmPz_KLcmPTi2EfGxWB4WpzpGvDdRA0M.rac- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1328305031.73543.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:37:11 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-709188601-901885717-1328305031=:73543" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:37:13 +0000 (UTC) ---709188601-901885717-1328305031=:73543 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sometimes have a melody pop into my head. In the attempt to translate it = into audible sounds, it rarely comes out the same. If I work hard enough, I= can get it to sound as I heard it originally. Likewise, if I try to copy s= omeone else's muzik, by the time I get it out, it sounds way different. Ine= ptitude does have the occasional reward. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Lindsey Walker =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Frid= ay, February 3, 2012 10:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Spawning musical ideas?=0A=0A= =0AI usually start with a concept like: =A0"What if I hang my looper from t= he freeway and I sing a set of notes underwater? =A0What would happen?" =A0= Well, maybe not that extreme but some kind of, "what if?" gets it going. = =A0Then I practice that concept until I like the sound. =A0 =0A=0ALindsey= =0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:48 AM, georg hartmann wrote:=0A=0AThanks for the answer,=0A>=0A>I'm using Sooperlooper on = linux. Do you know any other software (Standalone, Win or linux) or a hardw= are solution?=0A>=0A>Georg=0A>=0A> ---709188601-901885717-1328305031=:73543 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sometimes have a melody pop into my head. In the attempt to translate it = into audible sounds, it rarely comes out the same. If I work hard enough, I= can get it to sound as I heard it originally. Likewise, if I try to copy s= omeone else's muzik, by the time I get it out, it sounds way different.= Ineptitude does have the occasional reward.=0D
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I usually start with a concep= t like: =A0"What if I hang my looper from the freeway and I sing a set= of notes underwater? =A0What would happen?" =A0Well, maybe not that e= xtreme but some kind of, "what if?" gets it going. =A0Then I prac= tice that concept until I like the sound. =A0
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---709188601-901885717-1328305031=:73543-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 21:52:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26663183465; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XWR5u7ySWcrAmRRxKPPnYrpZn+mFwRpSvKvHvCeFwzM=; b=Ve0Pm5QqOkw2RUPrgfXW4neeXYRLr4KDNjw6Fa23Dfd43K4Gr7ywh2682V1Z3kJLPa G75Mi/b5T25u2YJKjPhzxd7He/hsWAjLCag592U09epJFvtPIOAEdr8dWYlP8sZGconJ qA5f2djTXQKs9rAWW6EuQ3fDP/r4AYUrYblRM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1328305031.73543.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> <1328305031.73543.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:52:49 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <4lWvv.A.NM.xcFLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:52:50 +0000 (UTC) I'll often have a melody in my head for days, then when I sit down to try to play it, I find that it has microtones in it. It makes me think I should learn how to play an instrument that doesn't have keys or frets, like a cello. Or someone should finally invent that "external pitch wheel" effect that I've been asking for for years. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > I sometimes have a melody pop into my head. In the attempt to translate it > into audible sounds, it rarely comes out the same. If I work hard enough, I > can get it to sound as I heard it originally. Likewise, if I try to copy > someone else's muzik, by the time I get it out, it sounds way different. > Ineptitude does have the occasional reward. > Rig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 22:13:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2113183466; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1iNCMXGEphICNhxBNCux5q8RJuBdKtMSDjET8mhvdpE=; b=xZGzWgqwB05qAJertoqfIbIKo1fH66ps1M1No08Ck1NCMRkq7xp/MzPsDgUgYDmdOj DbLTjv8x++/Yc9Uod2EKu/uW3ZaeyVIvN8iwfM2hGFMbvSToVeJZY4EC+eOhnDcpEzO4 P7GKRAPph4Njsc1xtjDF5/nmucnnMqAPHMwSk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> <1328305031.73543.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:13:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <4AIUtD.A.sb.GwFLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:13:26 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > microtones Many synths support microtonality. But it might take some time for you to try out all key/scale preset to pin down what you are hearing in your vision. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 22:19:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D0E4183464; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BhS9pFrwW1Q//yV/VpafEjga2Q9L/e7u50OQ5ymnhg8=; b=oSFTKMtCQMXRicBcoaze5CLmy2GIew9MazdxXIYIilqGPq6fOcuhN5hdp8c26cWl6v IyeRE/JL+ek3jfhu6HoyDME9vxY5BX+0Zkc+BrrUunZqsUZ7tLEO5NQWj/YAnTbvPPNk mQmmdXqaHEnRBHTns70g3qxNTa9YhxQT3cFbM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> <1328305031.73543.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 14:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Yeah - by then the inspiration would be long gone. I do better trying to play it on bass guitar, and just bending the strings. Mostly I'm an improviser. If I want to actually get to composing, the first step is going to be getting a recording computer in which the audio interface doesn't crash/uninstall if I look at it funny. Matt On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: >> microtones > > Many synths support microtonality. But it might take some time for you > to try out all key/scale preset to pin down what you are hearing in > your vision. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 23:35:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B12183464; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=if2t1PP6R8yDaUEyHIHzAk0St9m0BlTOugxE6meVwqM=; b=hAVsJsOTBuHhdM/MCatLmHvKiLDiI4exzdJPv6yyqIu0x0svos8SlkUH2Pq3dljSgL PHJXiG42NmE/crYTh+dwr1gvOUFBCFoJpoAZjyrd/C8/KFidS97cei+6NRSH5TJH5b6s AjRXrWgu0atJRvyma/pL1NV2Aaskpz1bFHrBQ= Subject: Re: Nice Zoe Keating interview - establishing oneself as an artist. References: From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:34:55 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Awesome awesome video, thank you for the link. On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Zoe Keating just linked to a nice interview of her on facebook. The > focus of the interview is mostly how to become a professional > musician. > > http://youtu.be/gzvz9wzpBuY > > At first, there seems to be an "Underpants Gnomes" element to Zoe's > story, which works something like this: > 1) Post music online, on Itunes, bandcamp, etc. > 2) ? > 3) Lots of people download the music, and invite you to lots of gigs. > > However, around 28:30 and especially 31:20, she starts really getting > into what musicians should do to make connections. She discusses > creating musical networks, and saying yes to things (because someone > like National Public Radio might happen to be at some of the more > difficult events). Earlier on, she talks about how she makes time for > promotion/social networking as part of her career. > > Randolf Arriola is one of the questioners. > > Oh Zoe, I've missed your nervous laugh. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 23:54:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18D0B183466; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:54:29 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a4fc88be-cae4-4198-b349-8fc1e437ba57_" X-Originating-IP: [213.205.196.13] From: James Leight To: Subject: Gibson Echoplex Foot Controller Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:49:28 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2012 23:49:28.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[77A93520:01CCE2CE] Resent-Message-ID: <4hI3UD.A.RmB.1OHLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:54:29 +0000 (UTC) --_a4fc88be-cae4-4198-b349-8fc1e437ba57_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey=2C has anyone got an echoplex foot controller for sale or know of a rel= atively cheap foot controller that works well with the looper? = --_a4fc88be-cae4-4198-b349-8fc1e437ba57_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From: James Leight <jamesleight@live.co.uk>
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Subject: Gibson Echoplex Foot Controller

Hey, has anyone got an echoplex foot controller for sale or know of a relatively cheap foot controller that works well with the looper?


--1559127025-1443799152-1328317741=:21084-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 02:16:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 002A5183466; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 02:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=9V372slUNJY9JC0WQz5f3PcXdbpDIeLkXlnU8Nsn6Zg=; b=TnnE0SO0h9VELP6gFtIp3RebE9OD5kMWz85G28Xue+iggKC7xaxDg31tb0PzAuKClE iFiT9P3I5vwh269Aw5fWAZjyeknyF0XW/7VznVW8qHqVs7TkhRUQEQRWTL7Vll77w9dy fxr8EGSnipS4OurVVJAZ5e+dJFSTGi9Ht9xdw= Message-Id: <1603F58F-C374-43AA-8192-015E6D8FA24C@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--25258465 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:16:15 -0800 References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> <1328305031.73543.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 02:16:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--25258465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 3, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Or someone should finally invent that "external pitch wheel" effect Maybe something like the Eigenharp would be worth a try for controlling a synth with microtone function. It has assignable keys, but the wind input could be your pitch wheel. I think there must be a way to set it up so it would not be as daunting as having to play a wind instrument, more like a keyboard with a breath mod wheel. BobC --Apple-Mail-1--25258465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Feb 3, 2012, = at 1:52 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

Or someone = should finally invent that "external pitch wheel" = effect



Maybe = something like the Eigenharp would be worth a try for controlling a = synth with microtone function.

It has assignable keys, but = the wind input could be your pitch = wheel. 

I think there must be a way = to set it up so it would not be as daunting as having to play a wind = instrument, more like a keyboard with a breath mod = wheel.


BobC

= --Apple-Mail-1--25258465-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 09:15:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA6F4183473; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 09:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2CF729.7080601@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 04:15:21 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4dU82B.A.J-F.3cPLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 09:15:35 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, February 4 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. In Phase Three, you'll hear music by Moe Tar and from the new Colossus project, "Decameron: Ten Days in 100 Novellas - Part 1." I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 15:10:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44AE183460; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_18ac0fd9-5feb-4011-a684-88588358f444_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:10:50 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2012 15:10:51.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EC6BE00:01CCE34F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:10:52 +0000 (UTC) --_18ac0fd9-5feb-4011-a684-88588358f444_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert = = --_18ac0fd9-5feb-4011-a684-88588358f444_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = --_18ac0fd9-5feb-4011-a684-88588358f444_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 16:32:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 339B1183474; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ghth5t23jghN8rrxS4ouERifKusn3ArTld9h+QZzIRQ=; b=xMcWkVNSAIBLhaayNa/03Dwkv9iyvitavuEYtU21MdzQbyMcU8jqak55nHGFX++4eu WMaKtX9CV+VDRdGUWj0K/aqSA607CoGNAF4PnCqcKzyLJ1qNOacLuXbvpSoT1uRdQHcn ofcH7MjCDuArgdaTet0jhyl0yqasvHKLDq7MI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:32:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:32:34 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert Thanks for telling. That was nice listening! Especially the choice of repertoire ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 16:46:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE75B183466; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_E7DZ2ubKHhblxupFvckfHw)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-04_05:2012-02-03,2012-02-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202040153 From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:46:18 -0500 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-id: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <8eWVz.A.tzB.mDWLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:46:30 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_E7DZ2ubKHhblxupFvckfHw) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT he loves the freeze pedal Teddy On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert --Boundary_(ID_E7DZ2ubKHhblxupFvckfHw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable he loves the freeze pedal

Teddy

On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 = AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:

http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-con= cert

= --Boundary_(ID_E7DZ2ubKHhblxupFvckfHw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 18:07:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A5EB183461; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=XJFSfaRrS4/PtNKtjcZmg/CpbVbsLmlKDTfPiFriahE=; b=UQrc02pXUvMGWyfK9LFzgEL1STz6fBYiuL3+CSFKhiPITa2gwNd5qB8wmOqZjneLBu Kd86O3eO5wSxbtQ7mlnM3QWi35LjO9cGnFfb+QdSJw4tPr+GYPVqd4UAoRpCFFGVvRt1 tSdo4A7ajyCRygar/r1USkrWmt8D8CVR3l8rE= Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT: album release Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 10:07:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:07:08 +0000 (UTC) I have an album out now on the Triple Bath label, a collaboration that I suppose sort of fits within the ambient / noise / improvisation category: http://triplebath.gr/releases/trb.032_anchor_studies.html regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 18:29:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F7F183460; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=tQ+IvZIabOI8Es6/QeZmo5h1abvaf3Vvy6qHQiQO/IM=; b=pYpOAEEEM5kKh4ekrDFD9EQw4fkTwlwSjNC94wyk6XLTqkKDXV3rNGJGOZZJx4AmX7 BeZIWh+w1PVTny+KpApec+RPMlCAE9QSG0fSBTA4mll2aCGASkKF2zmQZic5rAi8AZwW 9LMWxdEBnh8HBGcXf1Xjafp2iY7KtShUMPEjs= From: "Bruno E. Kleinefeld" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Echoplex and iFCB: midi nightmare Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:29:41 +0100 Message-Id: <1CB3FCC1-5BDF-4B09-B445-3527545A9BC2@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Once again I appear in search of help.. I am having (BIG) troubles with midi end my echoplex. I have two of them (older white Gibson, but both with loop IV), and I = have two FCB1010. Once I programmed one FCB for the EDP, using notes. It was kinda simple, = everything worked out fine. Then I went back to the EDP footpedal for having a smaller footprint = control. But I miss the direct access the more button can give, so I = reconnected the FCB and... nothing worked anymore. I reprogrammed the FCB (it is easy.. I saved the original Sysex file I = did since I use iFCB for mac for programming it, so I just reloaded it - = and checked the values of the notes used), tried new cables, tried on = both the EDP swapping both iFCB: I did everything that could come to my = mind as a solution. Ofc I checked that they are both on the same MIDI = Channel....Nothing. All I can get is changing the programs on the EDP. But I cannot get = anymore it working as a control of the functions.=20 What am I doing wrong? They clearly talk to each other but I feel lost.=20= It must be something on the EDP. Is there something I am missing, can = someone help me? I actually hate MIDI, really. I do thanks for any suggestions best b:k= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 18:44:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6D04183465; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=IkvVNClTJIE6aPCgTVAO9y0O+/QWQVFwWXrsxHHXd98=; b=knZuI9lUXLEIaqnKakJvstPtn0d+VoPQRN2ihC94kqtBel+EOjzysDd3wCdI+gNmw/ 63QuMPbA7s01Kk2TkS6Mr0PCzCuhglI/6AmDG3CJIOWe6E1Gm6aVig83ZSgl4JMQQGW0 xV/wFzoD7fDxc2scO9N3dhT/+0wvhMt8sZtMA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1CB3FCC1-5BDF-4B09-B445-3527545A9BC2@gmail.com> References: <1CB3FCC1-5BDF-4B09-B445-3527545A9BC2@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:43:55 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: l5f9CqDGJ2QYBLo21i7DkSS7oUI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoplex and iFCB: midi nightmare To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93a122fec59f904b827d03e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:44:17 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93a122fec59f904b827d03e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 4 things I can think of.. 1. midi channel. edp (easy peasy) 2. midi channel FCB (remember each function can have its own midi channel, so notes needs to be 5 is edp is 5.. best to just zip thru the edp channels till u hit the right one) 3. edp Source# number. If its way off how you set up your notes, then you may get either no commands, or weird commands... 4. Most Likely.. its the cable..! Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --14dae93a122fec59f904b827d03e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
4 things I can think of..

1. midi channel. edp (easy peasy)
2= . midi channel FCB=A0 (remember each function can have its own midi channel= , so notes needs to be 5 is edp is 5.. best to just zip thru the edp channe= ls till u hit the right one)
3. edp Source# number. If its way off how you set up your notes, then you m= ay get either no commands, or weird commands...
4. Most Likely.. its the= cable..!

Mark
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Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--14dae93a122fec59f904b827d03e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:15:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 909FB183464; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:15:26 UTC From: Mark Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-357-35403080 Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 11:07:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> Message-Id: <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:15:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-357-35403080 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Do we know what pedals he is using? Mark On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > he loves the freeze pedal > > Teddy > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > >> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert > --Apple-Mail-357-35403080 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Do we = know what pedals he is = using?

Mark

On Feb = 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:

he = loves the freeze pedal

Teddy

On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 = AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:

http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-con= cert


= --Apple-Mail-357-35403080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:16:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CAC3183474; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 726435000/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.144/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.144 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAKKCLU9YbR6Q/2dsb2JhbAAMN7IhAQEBBDgRLxELBxEJFg8JAwIBAgFFGQMBiAG4E4tkAQQCAQICCQQBDQQGAQoCAgMGAgQCAQQCAh+CdQECCQICAQMBAwQEAgYHBAIBAQoBgRoDDoMcBJpthUiHTg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,358,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="726435000" Message-ID: <4F2D8427.8090601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:16:55 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex and iFCB: midi nightmare References: <1CB3FCC1-5BDF-4B09-B445-3527545A9BC2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:16:41 +0000 (UTC) 5. EDP ControlSource = Not 6. that fcb sysex manouver will only work if the source file is generated by an fcb with the same ROM Might be worth doing an EDP factory reset (hold down Param button while powering up) if you're not sure about the edp parameters. ...but that will erase your presets ...but I suspect Mark's #2 suggestion is spot on andy mark francombe wrote: > > 4 things I can think of.. > > 1. midi channel. edp (easy peasy) > 2. midi channel FCB (remember each function can have its own midi > channel, so notes needs to be 5 is edp is 5.. best to just zip thru the > edp channels till u hit the right one) > 3. edp Source# number. If its way off how you set up your notes, then > you may get either no commands, or weird commands... > 4. Most Likely.. its the cable..! > > Mark > -- > /_Mark Francombe_/ > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:19:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E71E183474; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=T/awQNE15Pp2MfeRHPeyNhbtBlVooqEQmJkcet2/YqQ=; b=S3af9kQlOHVpVNgjyzBJf/W+ALvoXietDkWJkrLI2jaGQf0zIFzDUA1wGimu4E7nWZ fcM6xhigbm3v3sR61PJA4aPc9W/LGicif+RFmn39xBbVE2brkK+Go5bglCGfbyOyNVO2 Ml9DwPiJB4zoghmsMnBpmK4Emil8x/LhNm3mM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:18:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2ff235d8b604b8284e0c Resent-Message-ID: <8nKS4D.A.11D.3SYLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:19:19 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2ff235d8b604b8284e0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last time I checked he was using DL-4s... t On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Do we know what pedals he is using? > > Mark > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > > he loves the freeze pedal > > Teddy > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert > > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --e0cb4efe2ff235d8b604b8284e0c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last time I checked he was using DL-4s...=A0

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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2= :07 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
Do we kn= ow what pedals he is using?<= div>
Mark

On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:

he loves the freez= e pedal

<= /span>
Teddy

On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 A= M, Anders Bergdahl wrote:






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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon= .com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

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--e0cb4efe2ff235d8b604b8284e0c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:19:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D27D183477; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=UQN3CEHuDwObcEn+/6UpxZ6lpR3vlWDw7umX1Xp/zko=; b=AS57ytXqyknfRIgGjSVBZianlguvN704GId/s134NJm1MuSZDRAhnndGTb95P8as66 uknoIZC7RMzy921/lvZLYUcjf7Ve5xpVuY1fB8gP31dyDgCs6KKAM78yxLFOBERdODw8 Ekkvaycm4g30Tx2L/NREA7iwE10Vvg0/zWlyQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:18:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec55556b01ae94104b8284f81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:19:33 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec55556b01ae94104b8284f81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not for the freeze, but for the longer ones. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Do we know what pedals he is using? > > Mark > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > > he loves the freeze pedal > > Teddy > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert > > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --bcaec55556b01ae94104b8284f81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not for the freeze, but for the longer ones.=A0

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Mark Hamburg <<= a href=3D"mailto:mark@grubmah.com">mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
Do we know what pedals he is using?

Mark

On Feb 4, = 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:

he loves = the freeze pedal

<= /span>
Teddy

On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 A= M, Anders Bergdahl wrote:






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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon= .com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

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--bcaec55556b01ae94104b8284f81-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:20:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD3FD183463; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ubvQBmwc3pRy2lpLaC3Zbz/3ejJ2MF8qo+LQwWxcXnU=; b=jLPwPKBVTXXY8CWm9jnApV4hB8vo7qWfKaovzejBu/LTR/t35j7ozh1TDT+6J772y1 mPSKP7cP4KxNa9EYIrIVql4Oa0pCn0KIovzqXokaCeqA9cVqrzq/0bQ+tH/Gw00TCS4g UpcD/C38qAJexPIiinTQ0U/wQh22zmOUalhIg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 20:20:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:20:53 +0000 (UTC) It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to hear some wider "manglement". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Do we know what pedals he is using? > > Mark > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > > he loves the freeze pedal > > Teddy > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:22:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 247F2183473; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 11:22:08 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:22:10 +0000 (UTC) My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. Mark On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and > double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a > Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to > hear some wider "manglement". > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >> Do we know what pedals he is using? >> >> Mark >> >> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >> >> he loves the freeze pedal >> >> Teddy >> >> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >> >> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:27:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D34DF183464; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zw7UOKbq8DrNIjmOzPGvydtL/m3FP0e+cUfACUdSBds=; b=sJa0Doz6ZOCPlpHiDMg2qdF8ItcTMrxnzzPsG0QMApLOAlUhpxfnP/3zB/3kzZuioH oa79ry4NlQ2TkoWDQPiRNhykMk1ve+s45T5Lz5rL2Gapm50rK1EXZbnzq35EDkuACiBy AmcFDH0fL0h/YjXs9sjlpdUbNiDNHebKEk3hE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:27:14 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:27:15 +0000 (UTC) you can see here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcQtZeNSyY4 On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:28:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FC08183453; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EJnvGYSIZqtAES9mUTQowHhDE/FEnTIfRWUz16qpUGY=; b=w/dPzRqfL489u7/3nTm656yk3pGpggLllFOvxicaRGcxcbgowrw3X42R0dG9sVtdGo V9LU4GeifVn0J0PR9oSbdRNDFIpHifZZ548z7ODz985cnPwO5YIL6YSiv+cAHcEIthCW J+oEK+FU88/CxbMYcjwjxFdj6qu0JleuV01sA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 20:28:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:28:36 +0000 (UTC) I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he just cares more about the playing? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > > Mark > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and >> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a >> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to >> hear some wider "manglement". >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>> Do we know what pedals he is using? >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>> >>> he loves the freeze pedal >>> >>> Teddy >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >>> >>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert >>> >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:37:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050C6183478; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 729649824/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.144/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.144 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAHqILU9YbR6Q/2dsb2JhbAAMNrIhAQEBBDhRCxgJJQ8CRhwBwA+LZAEHAiEGAQoCAgMGAgQCAQQCAhoBAQECAYJ0AQIJAgIBAwEDBAQCBgcEAgEBCgF8AgwhgxwEmm2NFg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,359,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="729649824" Message-ID: <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:38:06 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:37:51 +0000 (UTC) todd reynolds wrote: > not for the freeze, are we sure that's Freeze? ..and not just low bandwidth audio causing artifacts? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:40:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90D3818348D; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uQpcl2qgj605ItjlmIyx6O9g2hZntSAO18uYa7DpJWY=; b=xKFzbC9Q/iKXzcG6oNVU55soaMWTpxWEYxZkNtGWmUCu7hR8jmIK2Mwbfnu1DUwAAj 3mNUd56ePyP2ZCm3VeVn+73weGL9S7+MzRGG9aBCdSvV5Ihh6IYivtIpvZnNq7MOzEbr 5fbGGSMrIFw+dnnr0Wt23SOdVNm9KYZmvqUrI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 20:40:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:40:54 +0000 (UTC) At times I think it sounded like a mosquito. Or a damaged light bulb in that room. Or a defect fridge... Per On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:38 PM, andy butler wrote: > todd reynolds wrote: >> >> not for the freeze, > > > are we sure that's Freeze? > > ..and not just low bandwidth audio causing artifacts? > > > andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:41:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBF9818349A; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Z78Wt75XlZb2spj//bh4lsd4il+EgEe6CYz7wGe9zfY=; b=ZXAT0FoWit8MzKGqRNlkYbz6Ldbz3P8Ohx86p7TU28esefiT7GrutK+EmjOBD8GtCG 54vpzRs6MCJuUkVCzSSh+DMdmY/QFbJx0LRV9dQOweypZe6+2pNKaL7siWzrwPSXvOyt keUaM+lZhzxJLiWDjc8M9V5LM8SZFdNT+o+nU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:40:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401fbb5c638a004b8289c2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:41:16 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0401fbb5c638a004b8289c2c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep, that's in the video as well... t. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM, andy butler wrote: > todd reynolds wrote: > >> not for the freeze, >> > > are we sure that's Freeze? > > ..and not just low bandwidth audio causing artifacts? > > > andy > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --f46d0401fbb5c638a004b8289c2c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep, =A0that's in the video as well...=A0

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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM, andy = butler <akbu= tler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
todd reynolds wrote:
not for the freeze,

are we sure that's Freeze?

..and not just low bandwidth audio causing artifacts?


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--f46d0401fbb5c638a004b8289c2c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 23:35:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C741A183461; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=P9zbBRgvBe0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=LK4Z3lV3AAAA:8 a=Jr4t784BMedag-wFqTMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SVDJ10JBh8kA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:35:44 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <82FE09AE-3403-48EF-8BDB-F1A8C9758CFF@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for posting that. Beautiful stuff. On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 01:03:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B209C183465; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 01:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <82FE09AE-3403-48EF-8BDB-F1A8C9758CFF@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping In-Reply-To: <82FE09AE-3403-48EF-8BDB-F1A8C9758CFF@charter.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEB1B9190E0BCA_1BEC_94BF7_webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35412-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEB1B918FD620E-1BEC-2706F@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.183.240.185] Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 20:03:25 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1328403805; bh=xCVPylp67mLdd0qJAuOVSdGAW3l7ryhhW6xTsmi/32Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EIuskrjqZnKR59JUyQn7vtNbfH9bQUgqAGKOIIS7Isa09YQg4pOnX4dDouBFcxyvY bQ+MEEHejf+L/HlxgcXC4IhzWSY6QF9IwHOTgMztq+BJbYFT8rVd73Rs73lb7pNRyJ owE82jJmSvGl/37j9Ho4ZSjazj+IgQihI9AONWUk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482395104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494f2dd55d1a88 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 01:03:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEB1B9190E0BCA_1BEC_94BF7_webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gotta love NPR and Bill. Both are Class Acts all the way! =3D-) PJ -----Original Message----- From: Ted Killian To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2012 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Thanks for posting that. Beautiful stuff. On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert =20 ----------MB_8CEB1B9190E0BCA_1BEC_94BF7_webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Gotta love NPR and Bill. Both are Class Acts all the way!

=3D-) PJ


Thanks for posting that.

Beautiful stuff.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:

> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bi=
ll-frisell-tiny-desk-concert
----------MB_8CEB1B9190E0BCA_1BEC_94BF7_webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 02:14:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D30BA183461; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 02:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QliHQjt/sf/2hkyvMFRiUJoI3VOOB007PL/7EqBkR2U=; b=STXe6IvMrtffXFUV1rlbUvd2/zNmBT/SBUf6cq5iGm+PTJwdGfaL6NceP7hlYMCFA6 ziUaYhwZNiypiQEaPMmmw0p2NznBVoz+HJ7eiBPqK1XxVTCz/HeU/3SArVUtdsV8A3D4 DcGCNS4s/GZIj5xWSsbOLTwXUa/8TaaP2XXvo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ribDYoku3hOgnrYlowc6dAIaNH4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93a122f722d6704b82e1c13 Resent-Message-ID: <0fqTcB.A.lr.cYeLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 02:14:52 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93a122f722d6704b82e1c13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with that nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup on the last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... could have been worse tho, could have been a tele... :-) M On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think > Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he > just cares more about the playing? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > > > > Mark > > > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and > >> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a > >> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to > >> hear some wider "manglement". > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >>> Do we know what pedals he is using? > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > >>> > >>> he loves the freeze pedal > >>> > >>> Teddy > >>> > >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > >>> > >>> > http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --14dae93a122f722d6704b82e1c13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit int= erested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the guita= r sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with that nice = neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup on the las= t chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the sound= aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... cou= ld have been worse tho, could have been a tele...

:-)


M

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 = at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think=
Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he
just cares more about the playing?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 P= M, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks.
>
> Mark
>
> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers a= nd
>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe= a
>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to=
>> hear some wider "manglement".
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboys= en.com
>> htt= p://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>> Do we know what pedals he is using?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:
>>>
>>> he loves the freeze pedal
>>>
>>> Teddy
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/1461= 56479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--14dae93a122f722d6704b82e1c13-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 04:15:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37256183461; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 04:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_L2v+v4vYixSuvZ+SjztCGQ)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=3 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202040383 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-04_07:2012-02-03,2012-02-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> In-reply-to: Message-id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:15:25 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 04:15:50 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_L2v+v4vYixSuvZ+SjztCGQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bill frisell is only one of the most brilliant creative guitarists of the last half century. If u havent heard his work you owe it to yourself to check him out. Listen to his album "in line" or "rambler" u will love it. Also his early work with Jan Garbarak is amazing. Strat is not his native instrument... But I like the way he sounds on it. Definitely DL4 by the way Teddy http://teddyjam.com On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:14 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with that nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup on the last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... could have been worse tho, could have been a tele... > > :-) > > > M > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think > Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he > just cares more about the playing? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > > > > Mark > > > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and > >> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a > >> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to > >> hear some wider "manglement". > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >>> Do we know what pedals he is using? > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > >>> > >>> he loves the freeze pedal > >>> > >>> Teddy > >>> > >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > >>> > >>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --Boundary_(ID_L2v+v4vYixSuvZ+SjztCGQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Bill frisell is only one o= f the most brilliant creative guitarists of the last half century. If u have= nt heard his work you owe it to yourself to check him out. Listen to his alb= um "in line" or "rambler" u will love it. Also his early work with Jan Garba= rak is amazing. Strat is not his native instrument... But I like the way he s= ounds on it.

Definitely DL4 by the way

Teddy=

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:14 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

I know nothing about him either, and cant= say I am in the slightest bit interested, but obviously a very talented mus= ician. Whats wrong with the guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fi= ngering combined with that nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a fl= ick to bridge pickup on the last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a m= istake... Admittadly the sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a= good thing... could have been worse tho, could have been a tele...

:-)


M

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 a= t 8:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think
Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he
just cares more about the playing?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com=
http://www.yo= utube.com/perboysen



On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM= , Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com&= gt; wrote:
> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks.
>
> Mark
>
> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers an= d
>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a=
>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to<= br> >> hear some wider "manglement".
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboyse= n.com
>> http= ://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>> Do we know what pedals he is using?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:
>>>
>>> he loves the freeze pedal
>>>
>>> Teddy
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156= 479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>




--
Mar= k Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

= --Boundary_(ID_L2v+v4vYixSuvZ+SjztCGQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 04:53:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2264E183460; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 04:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2E0B59.5090304@theambientping.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:53:45 -0500 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 02.07.12 > The PiNG presents dreamSTATE w Matthew Poulakakis + NOiNO + General Chaos Visuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 04:53:51 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 02.07.12 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents THE RETURN OF THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Two . (B) featuring dreamSTATE with MATTHEW POULAKAKIS plus a set by NOiNO + projections by General Chaos Visuals @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. Feb. 7th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6 For those of you living far from Toronto or stuck at home, the PiNG will be broadcast live online via VooDooTV. Supermarket audio/video technician Johnny Trelawny has set up a live internet broadcast system VooDoo TV which will be streaming the entire AMBiENT PiNG event beginning at 9:00pm EST. Here's the URL: http://www.livestream.com/voodootv1 . 9:00 . dreamSTATE with Matthew Poulakakis . For the second stop on the Drone Cycle 2012 journey, dreamSTATE will convene with special guest Matthew Poulakakis for a series of ambient and groove explorations rooted in the key of B. Matthew is a good friend who has played with both Scott and Jamie of dreamSTATE in various projects - but this is his first time joining them for a Drone Cycle event. Matthew is fluent in dub, sample culture & found-sound improvisation and dreamSTATE invited him to bring his junkyard trinket arsenal as well as his laptop, which currently contains some personally collected and curated samples from Greece. The most recent of Matthew's many projects (Automatic Fats, Build to Suit, Contrapture, Harold, NOiNO, Panoramaroid, Salvagesound and Wassonic) is the "lost-world" music of Wassonic with Terrence O'Brien (Anomalous Disturbances) https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wassonic/290183591010888 For more info on the dreamSTATE Drone Cycles in 2000 & 2012: http://www.dreamstate.to/events.htm . 10:00 . NOiNO . Once again the experimental sound project NOiNO featuring James Bailey, Matthew Poulakakis and Jamie Todd returns to launch an improvised sonic journey to who knows where playing who knows what. Even NOiNO doesn't know where this sound journey will take them as their sound map only becomes apparent once the gear is plugged in and NOiNO starts improvising. Odds are there will be synths, EFX, found objects and possibly even some junkyard percussion mixed into the sonic stew, but in keeping with the NOiNO mandate there will be no practices, discussions or rehearsals prior to the performance. It's a hard discipline to maintain, but one that NOiNO is proud to keep. http://www.myspace.com/noinocanada . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 08:03:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51D87183466; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4F2E37E4.003C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZLA2OkmUe6j7xft+WtwE8mtsI28Th/3wtPTqWWN/NT0= c=1 sm=1 a=P9zbBRgvBe0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=n-kJSqksAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=WcyoBHRqAAAA:8 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=vE9Yp3RhAAAA:8 a=LK4Z3lV3AAAA:8 a=VFLBUs1HAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=JLChX2oslSvfEDHIrwIA:9 a=YLg6xO8F1tlxzPVtSPYA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=RyiL-aZl26MA:10 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=zMq8AnxmSYkA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=zXEfOMw5J-gA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=hegWPbqB_fReT9mEtWwA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=f2NaAAVcle0A:10 a=bjRf2gj323cA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> Subject: RE: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 00:03:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01CCE399.9D3772E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: AczjvOFKDaKPqcJMSU2KjB6+ezP3fAAH75kg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:03:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CCE399.9D3772E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wonder if he's getting an LP2 . . . Gary _____ From: Teddy Kumpel [mailto:teddykumpel@mac.com] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Bill frisell is only one of the most brilliant creative guitarists of the last half century. If u havent heard his work you owe it to yourself to check him out. Listen to his album "in line" or "rambler" u will love it. Also his early work with Jan Garbarak is amazing. Strat is not his native instrument... But I like the way he sounds on it. Definitely DL4 by the way Teddy http://teddyjam.com On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:14 PM, mark francombe wrote: I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with that nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup on the last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... could have been worse tho, could have been a tele... :-) M On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he just cares more about the playing? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > > Mark > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and >> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a >> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to >> hear some wider "manglement". >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>> Do we know what pedals he is using? >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>> >>> he loves the freeze pedal >>> >>> Teddy >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >>> >>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CCE399.9D3772E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wonder if he’s getting an LP2 = . . .

 

Gary

 

From: Teddy = Kumpel [mailto:teddykumpel@mac.com]
Sent: Saturday, February = 04, 2012 8:15 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell = a master at work.. some great use of looping

 

Bill frisell is only one of the most brilliant creative = guitarists of the last half century. If u havent heard his work you owe it to yourself = to check him out. Listen to his album "in line" or = "rambler" u will love it. Also his early work with Jan Garbarak is amazing. Strat is = not his native instrument... But I like the way he sounds on = it.

 

Definitely DL4 by the way

Teddy


On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:14 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:

I know nothing = about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit interested, but obviously = a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the guitar sound? I thought his = insanely accurate fingering combined with that nice neck pickup sound was lovely, = there was a flick to bridge pickup on the last chard of Nowhere man that I = thought was a mistake... Admittadly the sound aint that "stratty", but = in my book that was a good thing... could have been worse tho, could have been = a tele...

:-)


M

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:

I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys = think
Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe = he
just cares more about the playing?


Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Sat, Feb 4, = 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the = clicks.
>
> Mark
>
> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does = revers and
>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). = Maybe a
>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected = to
>> hear some wider "manglement".
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>> Do we know what pedals he is using?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:
>>>
>>> he loves the freeze pedal
>>>
>>> Teddy
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-t= iny-desk-concert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CCE399.9D3772E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 08:26:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B834F183463; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e7af7c45-0793-4649-8947-bafd2eec85c3_" X-Originating-IP: [81.132.96.32] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:26:26 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com>,<3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> , , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2012 08:26:26.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA1FA1A0:01CCE3DF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:26:28 +0000 (UTC) --_e7af7c45-0793-4649-8947-bafd2eec85c3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weirdly=2C I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Sun=2C 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I know nothing about him either=2C and cant say I am in the slightest bit i= nterested=2C but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the g= uitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with that n= ice neck pickup sound was lovely=2C there was a flick to bridge pickup on t= he last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the= sound aint that "stratty"=2C but in my book that was a good thing... could= have been worse tho=2C could have been a tele... :-) M On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:28 PM=2C Per Boysen wrot= e: I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he just cares more about the playing? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:22 PM=2C Mark Hamburg wrote= : > My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > > Mark > > On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 11:20 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote: > >> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and >> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a >> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to >> hear some wider "manglement". >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:07 PM=2C Mark Hamburg wr= ote: >>> Do we know what pedals he is using? >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 8:46 AM=2C Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>> >>> he loves the freeze pedal >>> >>> Teddy >>> >>> On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 10:10 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl wrote: >>> >>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert >>> >>> >>> >> >> > --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_e7af7c45-0793-4649-8947-bafd2eec85c3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Weirdly=2C I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played.

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: mark@markfrancombe= .com
Date: Sun=2C 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell= a master at work.. some great use of looping
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com

I know nothing about him either=2C and cant say I am i= n the slightest bit interested=2C but obviously a very talented musician. W= hats wrong with the guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering= combined with that nice neck pickup sound was lovely=2C there was a flick = to bridge pickup on the last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mist= ake... Admittadly the sound aint that "stratty"=2C but in my book that was = a good thing... could have been worse tho=2C could have been a tele...

:-)


M

On Sat=2C Feb 4= =2C 2012 at 8:28 PM=2C Per Boysen <=3Bperboysen@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think
Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he
just cares more about the playing?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at= 8:22 PM=2C Mark Hamburg <=3Bmark@gru= bmah.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks.
>=3B
>=3B Mark
>=3B
>=3B On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 11:20 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote:
>=3B
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>=3B>=3B Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expecte= d to
>=3B>=3B hear some wider "manglement".
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B Greetings from Sweden
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B>=3B www.per= boysen.com
>=3B>=3B http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:07 PM=2C Mark Hamburg <=3Bmark@grubmah.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B>=3B>=3B Do we know what pedals he is using?
>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B Mark
>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 8:46 AM=2C Teddy Kumpel wrote: >=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B he loves the freeze pedal
>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B Teddy
>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 10:10 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl wrote= :
>=3B>=3B>=3B
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>=3B>=3B>=3B
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>=3B




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
= --_e7af7c45-0793-4649-8947-bafd2eec85c3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 09:36:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C50183464; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 09:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b3b37cb6-1283-421b-b7b8-00765332d572_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 09:36:19 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com>,<3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com>,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2012 09:36:19.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DB60A60:01CCE3E9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 09:36:21 +0000 (UTC) --_b3b37cb6-1283-421b-b7b8-00765332d572_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great video... thanks.. as far as I understands Bill is using the DL4 and F= reeze on those Beatles tunes as well.. As for his tone.. i agree that it mi= ght now always be great. It sometimes sounds flat or something=2C like the = bass strings sound dull.. and at times his sense of rhytmm and note choices= are rather unusal.. I mostly like what he is doing...and I like hes use of= looping stuff.. > Date: Sat=2C 4 Feb 2012 19:27:14 +0000 > Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping > From: simeonharris40@googlemail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > you can see here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNcQtZeNSyY4 >=20 > On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 7:22 PM=2C Mark Hamburg wro= te: > > My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > > > > Mark > > >=20 = --_b3b37cb6-1283-421b-b7b8-00765332d572_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great video... thanks.. as far as I understands Bill is using the DL4 and F= reeze on those Beatles tunes as well.. =3B
As for his tone.. i agre= e that it might now always be great. It sometimes sounds flat or something= =2C like the bass strings sound dull.. =3B
and at times his s= ense of rhytmm and note choices are rather unusal.. I mostly like what he i= s doing...
and I like hes use of looping stuff..

>=3B Date: Sat=2C 4 Feb 2012 19:27:14 += 0000
>=3B Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use = of looping
>=3B From: simeonharris40@googlemail.com
>=3B To: Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B you can see here - htt= p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNcQtZeNSyY4
>=3B
>=3B On Sat=2C Fe= b 4=2C 2012 at 7:22 PM=2C Mark Hamburg <=3Bmark@grubmah.com>=3B wrote:<= br>>=3B >=3B My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the c= licks.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Mark
>=3B >=3B
>=3B
= --_b3b37cb6-1283-421b-b7b8-00765332d572_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 12:51:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78E2D183474; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 12:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wWtTfJfC08hCB/VQOFORxTG2wVpPcC4w1rpwlpy+X5o=; b=koYocQ16lwO2KT8vpzez7Rr+NiNsyF5457N7wlkTYidRyzqyD8/kbk2+kW0/IcIewM 4B3+erON/7ybOVb79mXEmXmnM/OpvtoBwi16zti/UxwGgYvrPYfwddmYmwQzvGVyl80B OpCVmt1W9G+RKK6QBTisK4cgokhrVzfmz/G74= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 04:51:07 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: MIDI CC assignments From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ef0391dbcddd04b836ffc2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 12:51:09 +0000 (UTC) --001636ef0391dbcddd04b836ffc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So I've been curious, does it matter what CC numbers we assign to our midi controllers if we are only using software DAW's? I'm wondering if there would be some kind of conflict with general midi assignments. Would there or general midi only for hardware? --001636ef0391dbcddd04b836ffc2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So I've been curious, does it matter what CC numbers we assign to ou= r midi controllers if we are only using software DAW's? I'm wonderi= ng if there would be some kind of conflict with general midi assignments. W= ould there or general midi only for hardware?

--001636ef0391dbcddd04b836ffc2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 13:04:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FF4A183473; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NJGVKvII9sBT6zyXpcI2w2kOF/JNRlYFm5qz+Xxn1ZE=; b=kDiSk6NXB/tl8qzKarMzh9zr/iJH08JowW2leCMIVbzQMkwyiEMABy/ad2z8mVtDbn Xx6h/b+HbjascG2Qyt0D+iVY1sHMak40mNH42esrtxxI3SLztLexnQ3Kdk1HCuTysMJv ZmrgWbVsF6eTD7Vnd2D2BTpw/RC4NpBPmvOBE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 14:04:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI CC assignments From: Lasse juul Kolding To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Some DAWs, at least by default, definitely respond to standard CC numbers like volume and so on, you should check the MIDI implementation of the specific DAW... On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:51 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > So I've been curious, does it matter what CC numbers we assign to our midi > controllers if we are only using software DAW's? I'm wondering if there > would be some kind of conflict with general midi assignments. Would there or > general midi only for hardware? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 13:11:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F710183466; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=C6e72ZmaWnf2mW9PJXFLHk4dnRi7ymYG+UB8XaTRCGI=; b=DoD/yh/8m5k32tAxVdKNOSddeMFKfRbYHPQ368oCMrWId1dEdi+OfioSV6UUNLma3v pP9ZF9r4JRqzgt6SWMCOupJWb6SUAdIQn44gyyQTzTfYuvtLEd74mFWb7+h8943y5xA0 FTetHRK4GSI3mHSRw6rEe9WD6HK3ps+tW7w2c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 05:11:44 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI CC assignments From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428e0496eccf04b837490b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:11:45 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428e0496eccf04b837490b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So how can you avoid this then? On Feb 5, 2012 5:04 AM, "Lasse juul Kolding" wrote: > Some DAWs, at least by default, definitely respond to standard CC > numbers like volume and so on, you should check the MIDI > implementation of the specific DAW... > > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:51 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > So I've been curious, does it matter what CC numbers we assign to our > midi > > controllers if we are only using software DAW's? I'm wondering if there > > would be some kind of conflict with general midi assignments. Would > there or > > general midi only for hardware? > > --f46d04428e0496eccf04b837490b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So how can you avoid this then?

On Feb 5, 2012 5:04 AM, "Lasse juul Kolding= " <dubbilan@gmail.com>= wrote:
Some DAWs, at least by default, definitely respond to standard CC
numbers like volume and so on, you should check the MIDI
implementation of the specific DAW...


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:51 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I've been curious, does it matter what CC numbers we assign to = our midi
> controllers if we are only using software DAW's? I'm wondering= if there
> would be some kind of conflict with general midi assignments. Would th= ere or
> general midi only for hardware?

--f46d04428e0496eccf04b837490b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 13:16:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8549D183473; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=xk1N5E9G+x+1iwt4zd9rGawwoqn/q53lgX01iS6O/ys=; b=LSb+DIDsWkr6ZvW7VfPPNvGxaDmAAds3j491YfE1TxRxdgpgxjYie+aHvrsfarvgDZ uK8mbHgoJZiWXszKA2jeMis7lzYCqh7XlsT1Dh7c37FiuClGFNce2tdUXYZRQ+9Emdke AEx5rwKIe1rxBasLmMcU9kaztoudOoDRJrWQw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 14:16:26 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: whPXlAbyv0F_Huz-ZFHiQIJ8biw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c649798706004b8375b4b Resent-Message-ID: <2gc0jC.A.7RG.BFoLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:16:49 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c649798706004b8375b4b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Anders Bergdahl < anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote: > I like hes use of looping stuff I agree about the looping Anders... He did one thing which I thoght was very interesting, that is, mostly this is not a looping piece, but now and then he just looped a part and the second time made some additional solo stuff over it, but then stopped the loop and went back to playing... like having an extra pair of hands, but not looping.. quite cool... I have no doubt that theres some interesting stuff in this guys history, but its sad when he ends up just playing masterclass versions of classics... I might one day get around to checking out his other albums, but only after Ive checked out all the warp electronica, lots more dubstep, made myself appreciate Merzbow, absorbed Smegma, Zorn, Boris, Gultskra Artikler, Craig Vear, Daniel Menche, Homework, Ghost, Suspenzia, Dat Politics, given Xenakis a go, and maybe followed one tenth of the links that Rick posts on the Weird Instruments tribe,,, theres just too much to listen and look at nowadays... The internet was down in my house for 2 days last week (snow) I got SOOO much done!! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c649798706004b8375b4b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
I like hes use of looping stuff
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I agree abo= ut the looping Anders... He did one thing which I thoght was=20 very interesting, that is, mostly this is not a looping piece, but now=20 and then he just looped a part and the second time made some additional=20 solo stuff over it, but then stopped the loop and went back to=20 playing... like having an extra pair of hands, but not looping.. quite=20 cool...

I have no doubt that theres some interesting stuff in this guys history,=20 but its sad when he ends up just playing masterclass versions of=20 classics... I might one day get around to checking out his other=20 albums, but only after Ive checked out all the warp electronica, lots=20 more dubstep, made myself appreciate Merzbow, absorbed Smegma, Zorn, Boris,= Gultskra Artikler, Craig Vear, Daniel Menche, Homework, Ghost, Suspenzia, = Dat Politics, given=20 Xenakis a go, and maybe followed one tenth of the links that Rick posts=20 on the Weird Instruments tribe,,, theres just too much to listen and=20 look at nowadays...

The internet was down in my house for 2 days last week (snow) I got SOOO mu= ch done!!





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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d042c649798706004b8375b4b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 13:41:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1D09183473; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yFOSr46OVc3xGQkQZi0zU9fZt3MJu1dH6daqI+g52Jk=; b=CjrErEFeesnYzRV114yUgTlliAJJpRGjlwZ2rjx22I1SvzX6EcE1zBfb6P7FWkVSsj A7Ps3J8UXEszexfcyfBla/9J+9m9A4VMsi/U84Znxl5sELdE3RceuF5BfDZClKNtNwlo mOb7AFaidEDD+RaPMh8WeajvpS0O4O0fWZ3TI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 14:40:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI CC assignments From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Google "Roland General MIDI" and learn those CC# numbers. With "consumer type" of DAW applications those may be dangerous to use, because they might be hardwired to functions like volume, panning, expression etc. With applications like Max or Bidule you don't have to worry about that though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:11 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > So how can you avoid this then? > > On Feb 5, 2012 5:04 AM, "Lasse juul Kolding" wrote: >> >> Some DAWs, at least by default, definitely respond to standard CC >> numbers like volume and so on, you should check the MIDI >> implementation of the specific DAW... >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:51 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> > So I've been curious, does it matter what CC numbers we assign to our >> > midi >> > controllers if we are only using software DAW's? I'm wondering if there >> > would be some kind of conflict with general midi assignments. Would >> > there or >> > general midi only for hardware? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 16:22:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A853183466; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2EACCA.70509@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:22:34 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #774 for February 2, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:22:49 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120202.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #774 February 2, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8280 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight was "CyberDiver" on NeuHarmony Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#feb PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) cyberCHUMP Wind In Sleep Their Moment of Perfect Happiness (Internal Combustion) Robert Rich Kaaruwana Medicine Box (Soundscape) Brian Parnham Enjoy the Ride See None, Hear None, Speak None (Floating Point) Brian Parnham Everyone Gets Their See None, Hear None, Speak Turn None (Floating Point) Brian Parnham Last Breath See None, Hear None, Speak None (Floating Point) Jeff Talman Nature of the Night Nature of the Night Sky (New Sky Domain) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Nagle Pt 1:Casting CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Pt 2:Lost CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Pt 3:Sentience CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Pt 4:Non-Virtual CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Pt 5:Mr. Rigby's CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Distant Girlfriend Paul Nagle Pt 6:Ensnared CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Pt 7:Hardcore CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Pt 8:Smoke CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Pt 9:Lycosuction CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Pt 10:The Far Shore CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Duncton Wood: CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Plague & Fire 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Red Book" on NeuHarmony Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 16:43:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53E5A183474; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2EB1C4.4060607@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:43:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for February 4, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:43:52 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2012/120204.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #217 February 4, 2012. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Wendy Carlos Winter Sonic Seasonings (East Side Digital) VA [Ian Boddy] Excerpt from Sequences No. 17 Jodrell Bank Set 2 VA [Jeremy] Lightyears Sequences No. 17 Paul Nagle Part 10: The Far CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Shore Paul Nagle Duncton Wood: CyberDiver (NeuHarmony) Plague & Fire cyberCHUMP Speed of Their Moment of Perfect Transmission Happiness (Internal Combustion) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Frank Smith Falling Hope Returns (none) Paul McCartney Moonrise Ocean's Kingdom (Telarc) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== GTR When the Heart GTR (Arista) Rules the Mind MoeTar Never Home From These Small Seeds (Magna Carta) [VA] Safara Elissa Decameron (Musea) K2 Infinite Voyage Book of the Dead (ProgRock) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 17:29:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEBF9183474; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6ACABF64-FE14-47AC-8124-C5B5D35C4871@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 09:29:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <848f7C.A.-9.SyrLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:29:54 +0000 (UTC) " Admittadly the sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... could have been worse tho, could have been a tele... " Don't you be diss'n the Fender sound dude, them's fighten' words :-) Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 17:35:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B51D1183475; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=P9zbBRgvBe0A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=HaotPVROAAAA:20 a=zWSFQDO9AAAA:8 a=L_OH8e2HAAAA:8 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=vE9Yp3RhAAAA:8 a=LK4Z3lV3AAAA:8 a=VFLBUs1HAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=NzrXMXFq1hDiZKIHkxwA:9 a=qDLc3NWVS-yqpZQL_eMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=AQS8kHd1Ap8A:10 a=84tsCWNHjc4A:10 a=zMq8AnxmSYkA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=zXEfOMw5J-gA:10 a=iKEIC50czx4Z_E8U:21 a=cd4MM3DlJlrr5jFA:21 a=JLChX2oslSvfEDHIrwIA:9 a=SgtChStuF6htuuwSnLEA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=dgJYCCSB_DcA:10 a=RyiL-aZl26MA:10 a=bjRf2gj323cA:10 a=yINaiak29ygA:10 a=eUTjozopJMw8MASP+u8NBw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-FD59505C-6906-40D6-B287-C544D929E136 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 12:34:59 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:35:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-FD59505C-6906-40D6-B287-C544D929E136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatles songs.= Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatles clas= sics.=20 I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards looping was= awesome.=20 Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing my favor= ite Beatles song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote= : > Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played. >=20 >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 > From: mark@markfrancombe.com > Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 > Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit in= terested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the guita= r sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with that nice n= eck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup on the last c= hard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the sound ain= t that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... could have been wo= rse tho, could have been a tele... >=20 > :-) >=20 >=20 > M >=20 > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think > Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he > just cares more about the playing? >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > > > > Mark > > > > On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and > >> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a > >> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to > >> hear some wider "manglement". > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >>> Do we know what pedals he is using? > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > >>> > >>> he loves the freeze pedal > >>> > >>> Teddy > >>> > >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > >>> > >>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concer= t > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-FD59505C-6906-40D6-B287-C544D929E136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I liked the fact that he f= inally at the end did one of my fav beatles songs. Up til that point I didn'= t care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatles classics. 
I re= ally liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards looping was awe= some. 

Heres a clip of my little brother utili= zing my loop machine playing my favorite Beatles song.


Sent from my iPhone
=
On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:

Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played.
=

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32= +0100
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of loo= ping
To: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com

I know nothing about him either, and c= ant say I am in the slightest bit interested, but obviously a very talented m= usician. Whats wrong with the guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate f= ingering combined with that nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a f= lick to bridge pickup on the last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a m= istake... Admittadly the sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a= good thing... could have been worse tho, could have been a tele...

:-)


M

On Sat, Feb 4, 201= 2 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think
Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he
just cares more about the playing?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com=
http://www.yo= utube.com/perboysen



On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22= PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks.
>
> Mark
>
> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers an= d
>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a=
>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to<= br> >> hear some wider "manglement".
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboyse= n.com
>> http= ://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>> Do we know what pedals he is using?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:
>>>
>>> he loves the freeze pedal
>>>
>>> Teddy
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156= 479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>




--
Mar= k Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
= --Apple-Mail-FD59505C-6906-40D6-B287-C544D929E136-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 18:23:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95F11183473; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8j9K21GoH9PfbVmldqMYYKX7Wg1IadjMpT7TE2grgsI=; b=AtmYeiIbeEz0Gg9NmcCUlq1GCpGoyBqIgYveE5oVVskCylSaGcTWjA8LOxVIPfLLIp e4lz53znxcA7mOm0ThIOlQkj3wQCKaAdG62ZRdZhI3e0Amex8qrgnfC+55c1is7YhhxS 5k6RBCQB4FWod474CSfxSeh/Nt3L9eTFHQj7w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:23:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same sentence is just... too much. :-D This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it. There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank you for sharing this gig with the list. Downloaded the audio immediately. 2012/2/5 chaz worm : > I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatles songs. > Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatles > classics. > I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards looping was > awesome. > > Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing my > favorite Beatles song. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock > wrote: > > Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played. > > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ________________________________ > From: mark@markfrancombe.com > Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 > Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit > interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the > guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with that > nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup on the > last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the > sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... could > have been worse tho, could have been a tele... > > :-) > > > M > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think > Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he > just cares more about the playing? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. >> >> Mark >> >> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and >>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a >>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to >>> hear some wider "manglement". >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>>> Do we know what pedals he is using? >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>>> >>>> he loves the freeze pedal >>>> >>>> Teddy >>>> >>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >>>> >>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > -- Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 18:51:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47871183466; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 18:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> From: richard sales Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 10:51:00 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 18:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Check out FLoratone. One of the greatest records of the past ten years. Li= ke Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telecaster. Dennis Chambers on drums. Truly= wonderful, IMHO. Frisell is not a guitar showboat. He's more of a composer. And he has cool= roots in Delta Blues, jazz, funky music of all stripes. I'm a recent conv= ert of his stuff. Only know a little bit. =20 It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me. It's the whole man= that comes through the music that speaks to me. The guitar is just the veh= icle for the imagination of the whole man.=20 That's different! I love 'different'. I care more about imagination than guitar chops, or even tones. And.. I car= e a lot about tones. Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot. But on Floratone the= tones are terrific. And I've seen some live stuff that was quite tasty ton= ally.=20 Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip out. Tra= veling! Will do when I get home. love the debate! Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Petri Lahtinen wr= ote: > Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same > sentence is just... too much. :-D >=20 > This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it. > There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank you > for sharing this gig with the list. > Downloaded the audio immediately. >=20 >=20 > 2012/2/5 chaz worm : >> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatles son= gs. >> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatles >> classics. >> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards looping w= as >> awesome. >>=20 >> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing my >> favorite Beatles song. >>=20 >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_play= er >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock >> wrote: >>=20 >> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played. >>=20 >>=20 >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >>=20 >> ________________________________ >> From: mark@markfrancombe.com >> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>=20 >> I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit >> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the >> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with tha= t >> nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup on t= he >> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the >> sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... could >> have been worse tho, could have been a tele... >>=20 >> :-) >>=20 >>=20 >> M >>=20 >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>=20 >> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think >> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he >> just cares more about the playing? >>=20 >> Greetings from Sweden >>=20 >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. >>>=20 >>> Mark >>>=20 >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>=20 >>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and >>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a >>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to >>>> hear some wider "manglement". >>>>=20 >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>=20 >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Mark >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> he loves the freeze pedal >>>>>=20 >>>>> Teddy >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concer= t >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Petri >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 19:44:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 187BE183475; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=O+IrpdgEbIBTFwZMyqxaUd0VagCGOmS9x+3M+03ONaM=; b=rBh4NkO28+xuDYkc7oASOhTRDzVTXGjEDX7KpAmJ95Xz5NTGny8HPVoGAZRGp9MfCI 4LEDQznQ2TC17EtoQm5gJPwU3N/eFkzykywpYwhm9bZZTI5jyeNkpHTEssSHpmQhBXwh +VK22rs2gfkJM1pulqF9fI4vruPMXxADCQVWY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:44:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UM14KDzE1pW_A-ZzhUZAlD0orWg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22beef9b986304b83cc744 Resent-Message-ID: <0pbVbD.A.TlC.5wtLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:44:57 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22beef9b986304b83cc744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, with all these recommendations from all these wonderful inventive loopers, I might have to put "checkin him out" a bit higher in my list. I just cant imagine Micheal Karoli or Keith Levine or one of MY fave guitarists doin a beatles tune in (a very cleverly played) obscured by jazz holocaust way... I love the Beatles and them tunes get played in all manner of awful abortions, and.. jeeeez this was close to one of the worst. Why do Jazz versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and B) Cheezy? Of course theres good Jazz, I love some Davis and Corea and Coltrane (Alice) and Supersilent... but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats Muzak... Hey Richard you said Delta Blues, Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all those things were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste." Whats Delta Blues...? Any old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide guitarist gets called Delta Blues, Jazz can be anything, from good to terrible and Funky music? Did you say Funky? Like as in Lipps Inc. =96 Funk= y Town or Prodigy =96 Funky Shit . Funky just means.. "What I like to dance to" Am I right? OK Im certainly NOT critisising this man, I already said what I liked about this clip and Im saying up front that I know nothing about him.. But his name crops up with such regularity on this list that I guess I have a duty to go off and check him out, its just that that THIS one clip wasnt the mind-blowing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a bit like Torn right? I have to admit that watching David Torn in one of these hundreds of New Jazz trios with his (oh so experimental) feedback, also does NOTHING for me... however, I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very interesting place.. Splattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the same... Oh and Bill, yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually its only Teles I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck pickup or with that wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome, (Did I type awesome? Yikes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I guess I just have sour grapes, never been able to afford a "proper" guitar, a life full of Ibanez is gonna make a man pretty bitter I spose... Oh... and Ive been off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress, had some kind of break-down or burn-out.. so that might have made me a bit grumpy too... mark On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, richard sales wrote= : > Check out FLoratone. One of the greatest records of the past ten years. > Like Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telecaster. Dennis Chambers on drums. > Truly wonderful, IMHO. > > Frisell is not a guitar showboat. He's more of a composer. And he has > cool roots in Delta Blues, jazz, funky music of all stripes. I'm a rece= nt > convert of his stuff. Only know a little bit. > > It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me. It's the whole > man that comes through the music that speaks to me. The guitar is just t= he > vehicle for the imagination of the whole man. > > That's different! I love 'different'. > > I care more about imagination than guitar chops, or even tones. And.. I > care a lot about tones. > > Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot. But on Floratone > the tones are terrific. And I've seen some live stuff that was quite tas= ty > tonally. > > Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip out. > Traveling! Will do when I get home. > > love the debate! > > Richard Sales > Sent from my IPad > www.glasswing.com > > > On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > > Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same > > sentence is just... too much. :-D > > > > This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it. > > There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank you > > for sharing this gig with the list. > > Downloaded the audio immediately. > > > > > > 2012/2/5 chaz worm : > >> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatles > songs. > >> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatles > >> classics. > >> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards > looping was > >> awesome. > >> > >> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing my > >> favorite Beatles song. > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_p= layer > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock > >> wrote: > >> > >> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played= . > >> > >> > >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: mark@markfrancombe.com > >> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 > >> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bi= t > >> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with t= he > >> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with > that > >> nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup > on the > >> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly t= he > >> sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... cou= ld > >> have been worse tho, could have been a tele... > >> > >> :-) > >> > >> > >> M > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote= : > >> > >> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think > >> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he > >> just cares more about the playing? > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >>> > >>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and > >>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a > >>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to > >>>> hear some wider "manglement". > >>>> > >>>> Greetings from Sweden > >>>> > >>>> Per Boysen > >>>> www.perboysen.com > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg > wrote: > >>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using? > >>>>> > >>>>> Mark > >>>>> > >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> he loves the freeze pedal > >>>>> > >>>>> Teddy > >>>>> > >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Francombe > >> www.markfrancombe.com > >> www.ordoabkhao.com > >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 > >> http://www.looop.no > >> twitter @markfrancombe > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Petri > > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f22beef9b986304b83cc744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, with all these recommendations from all these wonderful inventive loop= ers, I might have to put "checkin him out" a bit higher in my lis= t. I just cant imagine Micheal Karoli or Keith Levine or one of MY fave gui= tarists doin a beatles tune in (a very cleverly played)=A0 obscured by jazz= holocaust way... I love the Beatles and them tunes get played in all manne= r of awful abortions, and.. jeeeez this was close to one of the worst.
Why do Jazz versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and B) Ch= eezy?
Of course theres good Jazz, I love some Davis and Corea and Coltra= ne (Alice) and Supersilent...=A0 but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats Muzak...=

Hey Richard you said Delta Blues, Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all thos= e things were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste."
Whats = Delta Blues...? Any old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide guitarist = gets called Delta Blues, Jazz can be anything, from good to terrible and Fu= nky music? Did you say Funky? Like as in Lipps Inc. =96 Funky Town or Prodigy =96 Funky Shi= t. Funky just means.. "What I like to dance to"=A0 Am I right= ? OK

Im certainly NOT critisising this man, I already said what I liked abou= t this clip and Im saying up front that I know nothing about him.. But his = name crops up with such regularity on this list that I guess I have a duty = to go off and check him out, its just that that THIS one clip wasnt the min= d-blowing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a bit like Torn right?= I have to admit that watching David Torn in one of these hundreds of New J= azz trios with his (oh so experimental) feedback, also does NOTHING for me.= .. however, I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very interesting= place.. Splattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the same...

Oh and Bill, yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually its only= Teles I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck pickup or wit= h that wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome, (Did I type awesom= e? Yikes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I guess I just h= ave sour grapes, never been able to afford a "proper" guitar, a l= ife full of Ibanez is gonna make a man pretty bitter I spose...

Oh... and Ive been off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress, had= some kind of break-down or burn-out.. so that might have made me a bit gru= mpy too...

mark



On Sun, Fe= b 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Check out FLoratone. =A0One of the greatest = records of the past ten years. =A0Like Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telecast= er. =A0Dennis Chambers on drums. =A0Truly wonderful, IMHO.

Frisell is not a guitar showboat. =A0He's more of a composer. =A0And he= has cool roots in Delta Blues, jazz, funky music of all stripes. =A0 I'= ;m a recent convert of his stuff. =A0Only know a little bit.

It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me. =A0It's th= e whole man that comes through the music that speaks to me. =A0The guitar i= s just the vehicle for the imagination of the whole man.

That's different! =A0I love 'different'.

I care more about imagination than guitar chops, or even tones. =A0And.. I = care a lot about tones.

Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot. =A0But on Floratone = the tones are terrific. =A0And I've seen some live stuff that was quite= tasty tonally.

Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip = out. =A0Traveling! =A0Will do when I get home.

love the debate!

Richard Sales
Sent from my IPad
www.glasswing.com


On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same > sentence is just... too much. :-D
>
> This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it.
> There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank= you
> for sharing this gig with the list.
> Downloaded the audio immediately.
>
>
> 2012/2/5 chaz worm <ch= az@earthwormandfire.com>:
>> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beat= les songs.
>> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of= Beatles
>> classics.
>> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards l= ooping was
>> awesome.
>>
>> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playin= g my
>> favorite Beatles song.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what h= e played.
>>
>>
>> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: mark@markfrancombe= .com
>> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100
>> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of loo= ping
>> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightes= t bit
>> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong wi= th the
>> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined w= ith that
>> nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pic= kup on the
>> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittad= ly the
>> sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a goo= d thing... could
>> have been worse tho, could have been a tele...
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you g= uys think
>> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or mayb= e he
>> just cares more about the playing?
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboys= en.com
>> htt= p://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the click= s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does = revers and
>>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave= ). Maybe a
>>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have exp= ected to
>>>> hear some wider "manglement".
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>>
>>>> Per Boysen
>>>> www= .perboysen.com
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> he loves the freeze pedal
>>>>>
>>>>> Teddy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >>>>>
>>>>> http://www.npr.org/event/mu= sic/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Francombe
>> www.mar= kfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoab= khao.com
>> http://v= imeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop= .no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Petri
>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--e89a8f22beef9b986304b83cc744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:14:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04A05183466; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 431 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:14:29 UTC User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:07:07 +0100 Subject: I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ From: Claudio Pianini To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ Thread-Index: AczkQbxL22/vKQJqS06hYtxiXYSTJQ== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3411320837_193016" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:14:29 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3411320837_193016 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I=B9m having serious problems with my Echoplex DDP+. I start recording a loop and have it run and suddenly the volume cuts off. What can I do about this? Best regards Claudio --B_3411320837_193016 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ Hello,

I’m having serious problems with my Echoplex DDP+. I start recording = a loop and have it run and suddenly the volume cuts off. What can I do about= this?

Best regards
Claudio --B_3411320837_193016-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:15:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6783183478; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-125906797 Subject: Re: I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 12:15:41 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:15:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-125906797 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Is the feedback turned down? On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Claudio Pianini wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I=92m having serious problems with my Echoplex DDP+. I start recording = a loop and have it run and suddenly the volume cuts off. What can I do = about this? >=20 > Best regards > Claudio --Apple-Mail-1-125906797 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Is = the feedback turned down?


On Feb 5, = 2012, at 12:07 PM, Claudio Pianini wrote:

I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+
Hello,

I=92m having serious problems with my Echoplex DDP+. I start recording a = loop and have it run and suddenly the volume cuts off. What can I do = about this?

Best regards
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= --Apple-Mail-1-125906797-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:21:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAB40183478; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0VCA35mCxGmmhLpoqYeFQlfxh/+MXs9c4HxQydfRVAg=; b=LJKR+BN/cr3wOQwV++mVuQjpBhRM19jtsK6huLq8ddIbgXam2zcHMBfWCWjy4BJKh4 xAqae2dm1rGMqqLkU2H43mITKp29E3Rhzm6Aa9odBje4kn21/gSkh3Tvu8DlfTNnrX1t wfzQyoDSwIKWOmG9tVySIK9TN4aRfiHx4SUQs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:21:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_fouMD.A.8LD.RTuLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:21:37 +0000 (UTC) I too have been "checking out Frisell" for... must have been many decades now, on heartfelt recommendations from fellow musicians. Still waiting to understand the greatness. And Mark, before you totally write off all electric guitar music that has been called "jazz" you should lend an ear to John Abercrombie. Guitar is one of the most difficult instruments to tell a true story with, due to its history; It comes preloaded with other player's "canned" stories ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > Wow, with all these recommendations from all these wonderful inventive > loopers, I might have to put "checkin him out" a bit higher in my list. I > just cant imagine Micheal Karoli or Keith Levine or one of MY fave > guitarists doin a beatles tune in (a very cleverly played)=C2=A0 obscured= by jazz > holocaust way... I love the Beatles and them tunes get played in all mann= er > of awful abortions, and.. jeeeez this was close to one of the worst. > Why do Jazz versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and B) > Cheezy? > Of course theres good Jazz, I love some Davis and Corea and Coltrane (Ali= ce) > and Supersilent...=C2=A0 but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats Muzak... > > Hey Richard you said Delta Blues, Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all those > things were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste." > Whats Delta Blues...? Any old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide > guitarist gets called Delta Blues, Jazz can be anything, from good to > terrible and Funky music? Did you say Funky? Like as in Lipps Inc. =E2=80= =93 Funky > Town or Prodigy =E2=80=93 Funky Shit. Funky just means.. "What I like to = dance to" > Am I right? OK > > Im certainly NOT critisising this man, I already said what I liked about > this clip and Im saying up front that I know nothing about him.. But his > name crops up with such regularity on this list that I guess I have a dut= y > to go off and check him out, its just that that THIS one clip wasnt the > mind-blowing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a bit like Torn > right? I have to admit that watching David Torn in one of these hundreds = of > New Jazz trios with his (oh so experimental) feedback, also does NOTHING = for > me... however, I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very > interesting place.. Splattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the > same... > > Oh and Bill, yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually its only > Teles I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck pickup or wi= th > that wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome, (Did I type awesom= e? > Yikes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I guess I just have s= our > grapes, never been able to afford a "proper" guitar, a life full of Ibane= z > is gonna make a man pretty bitter I spose... > > Oh... and Ive been off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress, had s= ome > kind of break-down or burn-out.. so that might have made me a bit grumpy > too... > > mark > > > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, richard sales wro= te: >> >> Check out FLoratone. =C2=A0One of the greatest records of the past ten y= ears. >> =C2=A0Like Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telecaster. =C2=A0Dennis Chambers= on drums. >> =C2=A0Truly wonderful, IMHO. >> >> Frisell is not a guitar showboat. =C2=A0He's more of a composer. =C2=A0A= nd he has >> cool roots in Delta Blues, jazz, funky music of all stripes. =C2=A0 I'm = a recent >> convert of his stuff. =C2=A0Only know a little bit. >> >> It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me. =C2=A0It's the = whole >> man that comes through the music that speaks to me. =C2=A0The guitar is = just the >> vehicle for the imagination of the whole man. >> >> That's different! =C2=A0I love 'different'. >> >> I care more about imagination than guitar chops, or even tones. =C2=A0An= d.. I >> care a lot about tones. >> >> Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot. =C2=A0But on Flor= atone >> the tones are terrific. =C2=A0And I've seen some live stuff that was qui= te tasty >> tonally. >> >> Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip out. >> =C2=A0Traveling! =C2=A0Will do when I get home. >> >> love the debate! >> >> Richard Sales >> Sent from my IPad >> www.glasswing.com >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Petri Lahtinen >> wrote: >> >> > Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same >> > sentence is just... too much. :-D >> > >> > This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it. >> > There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank you >> > for sharing this gig with the list. >> > Downloaded the audio immediately. >> > >> > >> > 2012/2/5 chaz worm : >> >> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatles >> >> songs. >> >> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatle= s >> >> classics. >> >> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards >> >> looping was >> >> awesome. >> >> >> >> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing m= y >> >> favorite Beatles song. >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_= player >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he playe= d. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: mark@markfrancombe.com >> >> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 >> >> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of loopin= g >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest b= it >> >> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with >> >> the >> >> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with >> >> that >> >> nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup >> >> on the >> >> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly >> >> the >> >> sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... >> >> could >> >> have been worse tho, could have been a tele... >> >> >> >> :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> M >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrot= e: >> >> >> >> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think >> >> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe h= e >> >> just cares more about the playing? >> >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> www.perboysen.com >> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote= : >> >>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. >> >>> >> >>> Mark >> >>> >> >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers an= d >> >>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe = a >> >>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to >> >>>> hear some wider "manglement". >> >>>> >> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >> >>>> >> >>>> Per Boysen >> >>>> www.perboysen.com >> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Mark >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> he loves the freeze pedal >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Teddy >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-co= ncert >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Francombe >> >> www.markfrancombe.com >> >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> >> http://www.looop.no >> >> twitter @markfrancombe >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Petri >> > >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:27:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14B03183473; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_62f27dee-3c07-4e9a-a6a2-7faf9c130ecc_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.89] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:27:55 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com>,<3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> , ,, <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com>, , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2012 20:27:55.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[A47FA6C0:01CCE444] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:27:57 +0000 (UTC) --_62f27dee-3c07-4e9a-a6a2-7faf9c130ecc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark=2C I'm with you 90% of the way. Maybe this music doesn't travel too we= ll=2C (like Guiness). I do like Fenders though. Having said that=2C I could= n't go back to that old hunk of wood after playing my=2C (head down for the= avalanche) IBANEZ SA whateveritis..I can get right off on Bill Walker's pl= aying but both Torn and Frisell leave me cold. I'm not knocking them. Good = on them if people are digging their work. Which reminds me - Bill=2C do you= have an album out? I'd buy it right off.Sorry you're under the weather=2C = so to squeak=2C Mark. Looping's a way to lose yourself I find. I'm damn sur= e it's therapeutic.. Drone on....OOOOmmmmmmm....... G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Sun=2C 5 Feb 2012 20:44:32 +0100 Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Wow=2C with all these recommendations from all these wonderful inventive lo= opers=2C I might have to put "checkin him out" a bit higher in my list. I j= ust cant imagine Micheal Karoli or Keith Levine or one of MY fave guitarist= s doin a beatles tune in (a very cleverly played) obscured by jazz holocau= st way... I love the Beatles and them tunes get played in all manner of awf= ul abortions=2C and.. jeeeez this was close to one of the worst. Why do Jazz versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and B) Ch= eezy? Of course theres good Jazz=2C I love some Davis and Corea and Coltrane (Ali= ce) and Supersilent... but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats Muzak... Hey Richard you said Delta Blues=2C Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all those = things were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste." Whats Delta Blues...? Any old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide guit= arist gets called Delta Blues=2C Jazz can be anything=2C from good to terri= ble and Funky music? Did you say Funky? Like as in Lipps Inc. =96 Funky Tow= n or Prodigy =96 Funky Shit. Funky just means.. "What I like to dance to" = Am I right? OK Im certainly NOT critisising this man=2C I already said what I liked about = this clip and Im saying up front that I know nothing about him.. But his na= me crops up with such regularity on this list that I guess I have a duty to= go off and check him out=2C its just that that THIS one clip wasnt the min= d-blowing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a bit like Torn right?= I have to admit that watching David Torn in one of these hundreds of New J= azz trios with his (oh so experimental) feedback=2C also does NOTHING for m= e... however=2C I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very interes= ting place.. Splattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the same...=20 Oh and Bill=2C yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually its only T= eles I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck pickup or with = that wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome=2C (Did I type awesom= e? Yikes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I guess I just have = sour grapes=2C never been able to afford a "proper" guitar=2C a life full o= f Ibanez is gonna make a man pretty bitter I spose... Oh... and Ive been off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress=2C had s= ome kind of break-down or burn-out.. so that might have made me a bit grump= y too... mark On Sun=2C Feb 5=2C 2012 at 7:51 PM=2C richard sales = wrote: Check out FLoratone. One of the greatest records of the past ten years. L= ike Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telecaster. Dennis Chambers on drums. Tru= ly wonderful=2C IMHO. Frisell is not a guitar showboat. He's more of a composer. And he has coo= l roots in Delta Blues=2C jazz=2C funky music of all stripes. I'm a recen= t convert of his stuff. Only know a little bit. It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me. It's the whole ma= n that comes through the music that speaks to me. The guitar is just the v= ehicle for the imagination of the whole man. That's different! I love 'different'. I care more about imagination than guitar chops=2C or even tones. And.. I = care a lot about tones. Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot. But on Floratone th= e tones are terrific. And I've seen some live stuff that was quite tasty t= onally. Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip out. Tr= aveling! Will do when I get home. love the debate! Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Feb 5=2C 2012=2C at 10:23 AM=2C Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Dont want to troll here=2C but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same > sentence is just... too much. :-D > > This guy is just amazing=2C his playing moves me every time hear it. > There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank you > for sharing this gig with the list. > Downloaded the audio immediately. > > > 2012/2/5 chaz worm : >> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatles so= ngs. >> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatles >> classics. >> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards looping= was >> awesome. >> >> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing my >> favorite Beatles song. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_pla= yer >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 5=2C 2012=2C at 3:26 AM=2C Gareth Whittock >> wrote: >> >> Weirdly=2C I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played= . >> >> >> Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> >> ________________________________ >> From: mark@markfrancombe.com >> Date: Sun=2C 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> I know nothing about him either=2C and cant say I am in the slightest bi= t >> interested=2C but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with t= he >> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with th= at >> nice neck pickup sound was lovely=2C there was a flick to bridge pickup = on the >> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the >> sound aint that "stratty"=2C but in my book that was a good thing... cou= ld >> have been worse tho=2C could have been a tele... >> >> :-) >> >> >> M >> >> On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:28 PM=2C Per Boysen w= rote: >> >> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think >> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he >> just cares more about the playing? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:22 PM=2C Mark Hamburg wr= ote: >>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 11:20 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and >>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a >>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to >>>> hear some wider "manglement". >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:07 PM=2C Mark Hamburg = wrote: >>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using? >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 8:46 AM=2C Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> he loves the freeze pedal >>>>> >>>>> Teddy >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 10:10 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-conce= rt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > > > > -- > Petri > --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_62f27dee-3c07-4e9a-a6a2-7faf9c130ecc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark=2C =3B
I'm with you 90% of the way. Maybe this music doesn't t= ravel too well=2C (like Guiness). =3B
I do like Fenders thoug= h. Having said that=2C I couldn't go back to that old hunk of wood after pl= aying my=2C (head down for the avalanche) IBANEZ SA whateveritis..
I can get right off on Bill Walker's playing but both Torn and Frisell le= ave me cold. I'm not knocking them. Good on them if people are digging thei= r work. =3B
Which reminds me - Bill=2C do you have an album o= ut? I'd buy it right off.
Sorry you're under the weather=2C so to= squeak=2C Mark. Looping's a way to lose yourself I find. I'm damn sure it'= s therapeutic..

Drone on....OOOOmmmmmmm.......

G


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: = garethwhittock.co= .uk

From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Sun=2C 5 Feb 2012 20:44:32 +01= 00
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of loopin= g
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Wow=2C with all these r= ecommendations from all these wonderful inventive loopers=2C I might have t= o put "checkin him out" a bit higher in my list. I just cant imagine Michea= l Karoli or Keith Levine or one of MY fave guitarists doin a beatles tune i= n (a very cleverly played) =3B obscured by jazz holocaust way... I love= the Beatles and them tunes get played in all manner of awful abortions=2C = and.. jeeeez this was close to one of the worst.
Why do Jazz versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and B) Ch= eezy?
Of course theres good Jazz=2C I love some Davis and Corea and Colt= rane (Alice) and Supersilent... =3B but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats M= uzak...

Hey Richard you said Delta Blues=2C Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all th= ose things were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste."
Whats Delta Bl= ues...? Any old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide guitarist gets cal= led Delta Blues=2C Jazz can be anything=2C from good to terrible and Funky = music? Did you say Funky? Like as in Lipps Inc. =96 Funky Town = or Prodigy =96 Funky Shit. Funky just means.. "What I like to= dance to" =3B Am I right? OK

Im certainly NOT critisising this man=2C I already said what I liked ab= out this clip and Im saying up front that I know nothing about him.. But hi= s name crops up with such regularity on this list that I guess I have a dut= y to go off and check him out=2C its just that that THIS one clip wasnt the= mind-blowing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a bit like Torn ri= ght? I have to admit that watching David Torn in one of these hundreds of N= ew Jazz trios with his (oh so experimental) feedback=2C also does NOTHING f= or me... however=2C I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very int= eresting place.. Splattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the same... =

Oh and Bill=2C yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually its on= ly Teles I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck pickup or w= ith that wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome=2C (Did I type aw= esome? Yikes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I guess I just h= ave sour grapes=2C never been able to afford a "proper" guitar=2C a life fu= ll of Ibanez is gonna make a man pretty bitter I spose...

Oh... and Ive been off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress=2C h= ad some kind of break-down or burn-out.. so that might have made me a bit g= rumpy too...

mark



On Su= n=2C Feb 5=2C 2012 at 7:51 PM=2C richard sales <=3Brichard@glasswing.com>=3B= wrote:
Check out FLoratone.  =3BOne of the greatest records = of the past ten years.  =3BLike Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telecaster.=  =3BDennis Chambers on drums.  =3BTruly wonderful=2C IMHO.

Frisell is not a guitar showboat.  =3BHe's more of a composer.  =3B= And he has cool roots in Delta Blues=2C jazz=2C funky music of all stripes.=  =3B I'm a recent convert of his stuff.  =3BOnly know a little bit= .

It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me.  =3BIt's the w= hole man that comes through the music that speaks to me.  =3BThe guitar= is just the vehicle for the imagination of the whole man.

That's different!  =3BI love 'different'.

I care more about imagination than guitar chops=2C or even tones.  =3BA= nd.. I care a lot about tones.

Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot.  =3BBut on Flora= tone the tones are terrific.  =3BAnd I've seen some live stuff that was= quite tasty tonally.

Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip out. &nb= sp=3BTraveling!  =3BWill do when I get home.

love the debate!

Richard Sales
Sent from my IPad
www.glasswing.com


On Feb 5=2C 2012=2C at 10:23 AM=2C Petri Lahtinen <=3Bkollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B Dont want to troll here=2C but comparing Frisell and muzak in the sa= me
>=3B sentence is just... too much. :-D
>=3B
>=3B This guy is just amazing=2C his playing moves me every time hear it.=
>=3B There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank y= ou
>=3B for sharing this gig with the list.
>=3B Downloaded the audio immediately.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B 2012/2/5 chaz worm <=3Bchaz@earthwormandfire.com>=3B:
>=3B>=3B I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav = beatles songs.
>=3B>=3B Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of= Beatles
>=3B>=3B classics.
>=3B>=3B I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwar= ds looping was
>=3B>=3B awesome.
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine pl= aying my
>=3B>=3B favorite Beatles song.
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B http://www.youtube.com/wa= tch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&=3Bfeature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B Sent from my iPhone
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B On Feb 5=2C 2012=2C at 3:26 AM=2C Gareth Whittock <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B >=3B>=3B wrote:
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B Weirdly=2C I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what= he played.
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B ________________________________
>=3B>=3B From: mark@markfranc= ombe.com
>=3B>=3B Date: Sun=2C 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100
>=3B>=3B Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of= looping
>=3B>=3B To: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B I know nothing about him either=2C and cant say I am in the sl= ightest bit
>=3B>=3B interested=2C but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wr= ong with the
>=3B>=3B guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combin= ed with that
>=3B>=3B nice neck pickup sound was lovely=2C there was a flick to brid= ge pickup on the
>=3B>=3B last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admi= ttadly the
>=3B>=3B sound aint that "stratty"=2C but in my book that was a good th= ing... could
>=3B>=3B have been worse tho=2C could have been a tele...
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B :-)
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B M
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:28 PM=2C Per Boysen <=3Bperboysen@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys = think
>=3B>=3B Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or = maybe he
>=3B>=3B just cares more about the playing?
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B Greetings from Sweden
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B>=3B www.per= boysen.com
>=3B>=3B http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:22 PM=2C Mark Hamburg <=3Bmark@grubmah.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B>=3B>=3B My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the= clicks.
>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B Mark
>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 11:20 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote:
>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper th= at does revers and
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B double speed (he used no other intervals beside th= e octave). Maybe a
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would = have expected to
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B hear some wider "manglement".
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B Greetings from Sweden
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B www.perboysen.com
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B On Sat=2C Feb 4=2C 2012 at 8:07 PM=2C Mark Hamburg= <=3Bmark@grubmah.com>=3B wrote= :
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B Do we know what pedals he is using?
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B Mark
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 8:46 AM=2C Teddy Kump= el wrote:
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B he loves the freeze pedal
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B Teddy
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B On Feb 4=2C 2012=2C at 10:10 AM=2C Anders Be= rgdahl wrote:
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B http://www.npr.or= g/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B --
>=3B>=3B Mark Francombe
>=3B>=3B www= .markfrancombe.com
>=3B>=3B www.or= doabkhao.com
>=3B>=3B http= ://vimeo.com/user825094
>=3B>=3B http://www.l= ooop.no
>=3B>=3B twitter @markfrancombe
>=3B>=3B http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>=3B>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B --
>=3B Petri
>=3B




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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
= --_62f27dee-3c07-4e9a-a6a2-7faf9c130ecc_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:29:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F1E9183475; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4F2EE68C.0055,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=dojHmsI+h+sZVrO8n8QFPj0BO2mVHv3NdGZT8ltFrI0= c=1 sm=1 a=P9zbBRgvBe0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=Dny9USn7Pyz7fHa8RXgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=lMUFURJ7YN6iEgTPi3gA:9 a=zbVFW5_tqP7-hVle8GkA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> Subject: RE: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 12:28:52 -0800 Message-ID: <474C6E38C54D444481B10527108A9C62@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009F_01CCE401.B83DCD60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: AczkPqchiiTgsf//SgG1MQ6N7viGMQABf+Hg Resent-Message-ID: <1PFrL.A.MfD.PauLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:29:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01CCE401.B83DCD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw Bill live with Greg Leisz on steel- They had a good time and everyone there liked it. Bill seems to be what we hipsters like to call "authentic" 8) ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01CCE401.B83DCD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I saw Bill live with Greg Leisz on = steel—

They had a good time and everyone = there liked it.

Bill seems to be what we hipsters = like to call “authentic” 8)

------=_NextPart_000_009F_01CCE401.B83DCD60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:31:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D5AD183464; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=2v7+ir3kzQrMOa5JVmh8DTTolKrOM5LrYwykRVfaR7w=; b=X6gOtOe3nGhNtrKOLhAL67q3bUYRduXg7g4eljz44dOuI9rhmadkYR8RLsbrgGgLYY 5thuI8oKLT9sl20g2jRoJ66vhv8KIuWwWmhLqru2e/VTPvEx79qhWh+9U+7xD705JikK PYm/LLrq0Utct1RbI/Zfzdq+BGXMwI4hsSy/U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:31:03 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3Nw-385HaUMVnGzjMMdx4M5zGZE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f93fae95d8504b83d6dfd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:31:24 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f93fae95d8504b83d6dfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > And Mark, before you totally write off all electric guitar music that > has been called "jazz" you should lend an ear to John Abercrombie. > Oh I dont Per, I put a list in my post mentioning Jazz wot I liked.. and yes, Ive given Abercrombie a listen... I find him slightly interesting, but like Frissel, I feel Im missing something right now... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f93fae95d8504b83d6dfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
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And Mark, before you totally write off all electric guitar= music that
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Oh I dont Per, I put a list in my post mention= ing Jazz wot I liked.. and yes, Ive given Abercrombie a listen...
I find him slightly=20 interesting, but like Frissel, I feel Im missing something right now...=A0 =



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--f46d042f93fae95d8504b83d6dfd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:41:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76CDC18348B; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAPzoLk8yaFeX/2dsb2JhbABDrzGCdwEBAQMBOAJPC0ZXiBW4U4tkAQcCAgkFEBMBCAUDAwkaAgECAYJ8BRgCCwIFYw0BAwEEDAIMIYI5YwSIRJI8jSI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,366,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="221220394" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.87.151] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.87.151 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 14:47:41 -0600 References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:41:07 +0000 (UTC) > > And Mark, before you totally write off all electric guitar music that > has been called "jazz" Who in their right mind would do such a thing?? lol Good Lord... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:51:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1750C183474; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qR/4qq8L2MKBd01dDfYcCg)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-05_05:2012-02-03,2012-02-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=3 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202050226 References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> In-reply-to: Message-id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:50:52 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:51:00 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_qR/4qq8L2MKBd01dDfYcCg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:31 PM, mark francombe wrote: > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > And Mark, before you totally write off all electric guitar music that > has been called "jazz" you should lend an ear to John Abercrombie. > > Oh I dont Per, I put a list in my post mentioning Jazz wot I liked.. and yes, Ive given Abercrombie a listen... > I find him slightly interesting, but like Frissel, I feel Im missing something right now... > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --Boundary_(ID_qR/4qq8L2MKBd01dDfYcCg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:31 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
And Mark, before you totally write off all electric guitar music that
has been called "jazz" you should lend an ear to John Abercrombie.

Oh I dont Per, I put a list in my post mentioning Jazz wot I liked.. and yes, Ive given Abercrombie a listen...
I find him slightly interesting, but like Frissel, I feel Im missing something right now... 



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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

--Boundary_(ID_qR/4qq8L2MKBd01dDfYcCg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:52:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25ED8183474; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_i99pa4oHf+Hukzs+Qi2B/w)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-05_05:2012-02-03,2012-02-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202050227 References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> In-reply-to: Message-id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:52:12 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:52:18 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_i99pa4oHf+Hukzs+Qi2B/w) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT You both r definitely missing something... Like ears Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:31 PM, mark francombe wrote: > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > And Mark, before you totally write off all electric guitar music that > has been called "jazz" you should lend an ear to John Abercrombie. > > Oh I dont Per, I put a list in my post mentioning Jazz wot I liked.. and yes, Ive given Abercrombie a listen... > I find him slightly interesting, but like Frissel, I feel Im missing something right now... --Boundary_(ID_i99pa4oHf+Hukzs+Qi2B/w) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
You both r definitely missing something... Like ears

Teddy Kumpel

On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:31 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
And Mark, before you totally write off all electric guitar music that
has been called "jazz" you should lend an ear to John Abercrombie.

Oh I dont Per, I put a list in my post mentioning Jazz wot I liked.. and yes, Ive given Abercrombie a listen...
I find him slightly interesting, but like Frissel, I feel Im missing something right now...  
--Boundary_(ID_i99pa4oHf+Hukzs+Qi2B/w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:56:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE49183474; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=P+9amzHZHhjIYnBZVAeQxbtroaH9Fm7avWthWd6cf88=; b=fywe2I2KCN8MNy4VQbBoiQRw8eZiUwHP9XmuNsjgm8rsj01ScWXALDvk8n4ZbnJ8Lg Vq2c5qNrNS2ZOTPRXSZw4WvYD9+VrQNs+SotOy0+AXKsIqrFGZLzywoX0hHUaFDUEW6l HmKWk70xNRnqsKwVYeLHmzGnlcEE1MHGFwGAw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 22:56:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:56:51 +0000 (UTC) :-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXOiTBuC28w&feature=related I rest my case with this, if someone doesnt "understand the greatness" Then so be it :-D each to his/her own etc 2012/2/5 Teddy Kumpel : > You both r definitely missing something... Like ears > > Teddy Kumpel > http://teddyjam.com > > On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:31 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> And Mark, before you totally write off all electric guitar music that >> has been called "jazz" you should lend an ear to John Abercrombie. > > > Oh I dont Per, I put a list in my post mentioning Jazz wot I liked.. and > yes, Ive given Abercrombie a listen... > I find him slightly interesting, but like Frissel, I feel Im missing > something right now... -- Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:57:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF30B183463; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6/sIAm+i/6xxzyQdb0Hq8txLM3j/qipodFthWKhX1qQ=; b=bs2NsxaUl9Aq6Ee0fneWPUDwk+yXJOwAayPqlgn/Do+YbGSbhglRHDyGMV/46xlZKG 1i7fI1kZQa/EUFmjyOHlg0P14P6NR8N7gxB0eBHt0dIKU6kVoc0yWXfSBmUhX7ToKbcV 3l7EuFl4P8I4muDUQ5haFiYSkkySyQxH+nAyo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 22:57:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <7FPpI.A.WVE.10uLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:57:25 +0000 (UTC) and Teddy, you nailed it :-D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 21:05:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEDD4183473; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=tMMKjfDRxeOcnI0h6OZegT2iIUcU1uOb/dj5GRIQ7Oo=; b=fx4K7u2bfA+PFPeRnJvbSU+qK1mZ5VGOA33RsH/HxBPvEr7Uo1osB1ACUty3GNE102 W0k1z5XNAjc1+iPg1dAnXGj++lC8d8H1JK+f/YNnvC/BsQkbra2zT9fpmV2PslQe7SNr iz+FO5IzJTKLmybrI4gSwl+xyX5FeTtgAdn98= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 22:05:02 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uJOXF8u-b5AWptWHto4WGNUdaWA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f93fa7201c604b83de7c3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f93fa7201c604b83de7c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Skillfull-ness, Cute-ness, Sweet-ness, Smooth-ness.. JA.. but great-ness...? I dunno... Lets leave it there shall we? Different strokes etc? On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > and Teddy, you nailed it :-D > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f93fa7201c604b83de7c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Skillfull-ness, Cute-ness, Sweet-ness, Smooth-ness.. JA..

but great-= ness...?

I dunno... Lets leave it there shall we? Different strokes= etc?

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Pe= tri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
and Teddy, you nailed it :-D




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--f46d042f93fa7201c604b83de7c3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 21:09:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB25C183465; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 7229 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:09:03 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=TqVkdUrh c=1 sm=0 a=mh+FvEA7I3/2BJh8eSJ0ZQ==:17 a=xLeSgrPwF1wA:10 a=P9zbBRgvBe0A:10 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=By9LvF5kWz3Ngv965IQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=mh+FvEA7I3/2BJh8eSJ0ZQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 173.88.214.139 Message-ID: <4F2ED546.5000902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:15:18 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2.26) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/3.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9or3XD.A.jkE.v_uLPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:09:03 +0000 (UTC) On 2/5/12 8:16 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I have no doubt that theres some interesting stuff in this guys history, > but its sad when he ends up just playing masterclass versions of > classics... I might one day get around to checking out his other albums, > but only after Ive checked out all the warp electronica, lots more > dubstep, made myself appreciate Merzbow, absorbed Smegma, Zorn, Boris, > Gultskra Artikler, Craig Vear, Daniel Menche, Homework, Ghost, > Suspenzia, Dat Politics, given Xenakis a go, and maybe followed one > tenth of the links that Rick posts on the Weird Instruments tribe,,, > theres just too much to listen and look at nowadays... When you get around to figuring out Zorn, check out his band, Naked City. And check out who's playing guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 21:17:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AF00183463; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4F2ED546.5000902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:17:49 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <879C665C-0528-4267-92C5-164D59CD05BF@gmail.com> References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4F2ED546.5000902@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:17:51 +0000 (UTC) One thing you cannot accuse Frisell of is settling into a predictable = pocket... he has made all kinds of music in his time, much of it quite = edgy and avant garde... and by now he has earned the right to say "I = grew up with the Beatles, their songs are in my bones, and right now I = want to get my arms around them." Right? One day any of you folks may = say the same or similar :) IMO what makes him a true great, is the fact that regardless of what he = is doing, he has a voice that is uniquely and identifiably his own. You = can hear Frisell's voice no matter what the treatment or context... that = is a rare accomplishment, and a sign of greatness. Phil On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Brian Good wrote: > On 2/5/12 8:16 AM, mark francombe wrote: >=20 >> I have no doubt that theres some interesting stuff in this guys = history, >> but its sad when he ends up just playing masterclass versions of >> classics... I might one day get around to checking out his other = albums, >> but only after Ive checked out all the warp electronica, lots more >> dubstep, made myself appreciate Merzbow, absorbed Smegma, Zorn, = Boris, >> Gultskra Artikler, Craig Vear, Daniel Menche, Homework, Ghost, >> Suspenzia, Dat Politics, given Xenakis a go, and maybe followed one >> tenth of the links that Rick posts on the Weird Instruments tribe,,, >> theres just too much to listen and look at nowadays... >=20 > When you get around to figuring out Zorn, check out his band, Naked = City. And check out who's playing guitar. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 21:46:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD7E618348B; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=P9zbBRgvBe0A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=HaotPVROAAAA:20 a=zWSFQDO9AAAA:8 a=L_OH8e2HAAAA:8 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=vE9Yp3RhAAAA:8 a=LK4Z3lV3AAAA:8 a=VFLBUs1HAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Qqlu9q5FWepk3Jat12oA:9 a=nTl0neYOjKpKJrtbfiEA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=AQS8kHd1Ap8A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=84tsCWNHjc4A:10 a=zMq8AnxmSYkA:10 a=zXEfOMw5J-gA:10 a=3W8q_txAI7A2QBrZ:21 a=wzkDSExm4ur4S1YV:21 a=eUTjozopJMw8MASP+u8NBw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Message-ID: <0093E93F69D441D586EE7ECBC69E8A6B@KTSCHAZ> From: "Chaz Worm" To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com><3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com><4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that was a bit uncalled for and I'm at work. My brain is off for the repurcussions of my unchecked responses. Perhaps its the fact that I'm working 16/7 and its sunday and I'm bitter. Sorry. Actually the "Poem For Eva" piece was very nice. I just grew up playing jazz only to upset metalhead musicians. Nothing like doing jazz versions of corporate hair metal songs to cheese off people. That was our sole motivation in Earth, Worm and Fire. Cheese off people. lol chaz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petri Lahtinen" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping > Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same > sentence is just... too much. :-D > > This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it. > There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank you > for sharing this gig with the list. > Downloaded the audio immediately. > > > 2012/2/5 chaz worm : >> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatles >> songs. >> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatles >> classics. >> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards looping >> was >> awesome. >> >> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing my >> favorite Beatles song. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=youtube_gdata_player >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock >> wrote: >> >> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played. >> >> >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> >> ________________________________ >> From: mark@markfrancombe.com >> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit >> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the >> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with >> that >> nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup on >> the >> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the >> sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... could >> have been worse tho, could have been a tele... >> >> :-) >> >> >> M >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think >> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he >> just cares more about the playing? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and >>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a >>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to >>>> hear some wider "manglement". >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using? >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> he loves the freeze pedal >>>>> >>>>> Teddy >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > > > > -- > Petri > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 00:28:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A475183473; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 00:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2F1EA3.8070108@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:28:19 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping References: <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 00:28:29 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > todd reynolds wrote: >> not for the freeze, > > are we sure that's Freeze? > > ..and not just low bandwidth audio causing artifacts? > > > andy I assure you, that is the Freeze. What I love about it is that it will freeze anything you are doing, so a lot of noise elements are possible. I love scraping or even hit the guitar as I hit a note and freezing it. If you just do guitar scrapes you can create a plethora of great industrial 'pads' to play over. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 01:40:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47578183466; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 01:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MdlW8v+w7L58HgIOlbA5cgbCrBfmOPT1A46YKTK7Dy0=; b=wPhn28IOBNN8jD9muEfZiqX+08qGogeCVEZDkihPicQLKOtJLu80DPnR4r061k20R9 kshS+opupPqECD/YKbqPCClp87b9Kf6zi5heZGEVI5GswJZ7WZcgEPixfECCQG4nywxZ 934Y93krPD/o0IZJ1C/z8Q7mrmeZATNIL6gWk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 02:40:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 01:40:51 +0000 (UTC) xD 2012/2/5, Phil Clevenger : > Is the feedback turned down? > > > On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Claudio Pianini wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I=92m having serious problems with my Echoplex DDP+. I start recording a >> loop and have it run and suddenly the volume cuts off. What can I do abo= ut >> this? >> >> Best regards >> Claudio > > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 02:06:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49496183473; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 02:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> From: richard sales Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-DB7EB3C9-78FD-402B-AC2A-A2E463DA8A6A X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <083381DA-03C8-4BCE-86C8-0E487B6FCC29@glasswing.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 18:06:04 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 02:06:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-DB7EB3C9-78FD-402B-AC2A-A2E463DA8A6A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Delta blues? I'm talking about Robert Johnson, Blind Willie Johnson, John H= urt, Fred McDowell, Charlie Patton etc. All great, with Robert Johnson bein= g one of the greatest songwriters that ever lived. And a terrifyingly good g= uitarist to boot - esp if you consider what EVERYONE else was doing at the t= ime. He was sort of the Jimi Hendrix of the late 20's early 30's. =20 Not talking about the new clean washed stuff. =20 It's the foundation. Out of this came R&B, which married Country and Wester= n and Southern Appalachian music and became Rock and Roll. Being a very ol= d fart, I have enormous respect for the Originals. Not rational, I'm sure! Haven't heard Frisell's Beatles covers yet. I'm not sure how interested I a= m in it either. I'm more fascinated with original voices, ideas, creations -= hence the fascination with Delta Blues, which was extremely original... alo= ng with Mountain Music etc. =20 Fortunately, it's a very big world with huge divergent tastes. Mine just tr= avels along that vein, having come from and grown up in that area. Same are= a Frisell comes from. =20 Hope you're feeling better. I dissolved around age 40. It was terrifying. = But after that, life kind of really began for me. It does get better - muc= h better. Have faith. R Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:44 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Wow, with all these recommendations from all these wonderful inventive loo= pers, I might have to put "checkin him out" a bit higher in my list. I just c= ant imagine Micheal Karoli or Keith Levine or one of MY fave guitarists doin= a beatles tune in (a very cleverly played) obscured by jazz holocaust way.= .. I love the Beatles and them tunes get played in all manner of awful abort= ions, and.. jeeeez this was close to one of the worst. > Why do Jazz versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and B) C= heezy? > Of course theres good Jazz, I love some Davis and Corea and Coltrane (Alic= e) and Supersilent... but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats Muzak... >=20 > Hey Richard you said Delta Blues, Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all those t= hings were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste." > Whats Delta Blues...? Any old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide gui= tarist gets called Delta Blues, Jazz can be anything, from good to terrible a= nd Funky music? Did you say Funky? Like as in Lipps Inc. =E2=80=93 Funky Tow= n or Prodigy =E2=80=93 Funky Shit. Funky just means.. "What I like to dance t= o" Am I right? OK >=20 > Im certainly NOT critisising this man, I already said what I liked about t= his clip and Im saying up front that I know nothing about him.. But his name= crops up with such regularity on this list that I guess I have a duty to go= off and check him out, its just that that THIS one clip wasnt the mind-blow= ing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a bit like Torn right? I have= to admit that watching David Torn in one of these hundreds of New Jazz trio= s with his (oh so experimental) feedback, also does NOTHING for me... howeve= r, I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very interesting place.. S= plattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the same...=20 >=20 > Oh and Bill, yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually its only Te= les I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck pickup or with th= at wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome, (Did I type awesome? Yi= kes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I guess I just have sour g= rapes, never been able to afford a "proper" guitar, a life full of Ibanez is= gonna make a man pretty bitter I spose... >=20 > Oh... and Ive been off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress, had so= me kind of break-down or burn-out.. so that might have made me a bit grumpy t= oo... >=20 > mark >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, richard sales wrot= e: > Check out FLoratone. One of the greatest records of the past ten years. L= ike Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telecaster. Dennis Chambers on drums. Trul= y wonderful, IMHO. >=20 > Frisell is not a guitar showboat. He's more of a composer. And he has co= ol roots in Delta Blues, jazz, funky music of all stripes. I'm a recent co= nvert of his stuff. Only know a little bit. >=20 > It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me. It's the whole m= an that comes through the music that speaks to me. The guitar is just the v= ehicle for the imagination of the whole man. >=20 > That's different! I love 'different'. >=20 > I care more about imagination than guitar chops, or even tones. And.. I c= are a lot about tones. >=20 > Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot. But on Floratone t= he tones are terrific. And I've seen some live stuff that was quite tasty t= onally. >=20 > Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip out. T= raveling! Will do when I get home. >=20 > love the debate! >=20 > Richard Sales > Sent from my IPad > www.glasswing.com >=20 >=20 > On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Petri Lahtinen w= rote: >=20 > > Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same > > sentence is just... too much. :-D > > > > This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it. > > There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank you > > for sharing this gig with the list. > > Downloaded the audio immediately. > > > > > > 2012/2/5 chaz worm : > >> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatles s= ongs. > >> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatles > >> classics. > >> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards loopin= g was > >> awesome. > >> > >> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing my > >> favorite Beatles song. > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_pl= ayer > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock > >> wrote: > >> > >> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played.= > >> > >> > >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: mark@markfrancombe.com > >> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 > >> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit= > >> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with th= e > >> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with t= hat > >> nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup o= n the > >> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly th= e > >> sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... coul= d > >> have been worse tho, could have been a tele... > >> > >> :-) > >> > >> > >> M > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote:= > >> > >> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think > >> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he > >> just cares more about the playing? > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >>> > >>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and > >>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a > >>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to > >>>> hear some wider "manglement". > >>>> > >>>> Greetings from Sweden > >>>> > >>>> Per Boysen > >>>> www.perboysen.com > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote= : > >>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using? > >>>>> > >>>>> Mark > >>>>> > >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> he loves the freeze pedal > >>>>> > >>>>> Teddy > >>>>> > >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-conc= ert > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Francombe > >> www.markfrancombe.com > >> www.ordoabkhao.com > >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 > >> http://www.looop.no > >> twitter @markfrancombe > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Petri > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-DB7EB3C9-78FD-402B-AC2A-A2E463DA8A6A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Delta blues?  I'm tal= king about Robert Johnson, Blind Willie Johnson,  John Hurt, Fred McDow= ell, Charlie Patton etc.  All great, with Robert Johnson being one of t= he greatest songwriters that ever lived. And a terrifyingly good guitarist t= o boot - esp if you consider what EVERYONE else was doing at the time.  = ;He was sort of the Jimi Hendrix of the late 20's early 30's.  

Not talking about the new clean washed stuff.  
=

It's the foundation.  Out of this came R&B, whi= ch married Country and Western and Southern Appalachian music and became Roc= k and Roll.   Being a very old fart, I have enormous respect for the Or= iginals.  Not rational, I'm sure!

Haven't hear= d Frisell's Beatles covers yet.  I'm not sure how interested I am in it= either.  I'm more fascinated with original voices, ideas, creations - h= ence the fascination with Delta Blues, which was extremely original... along= with Mountain Music etc.  

Fortunately, it's a very big world w= ith huge divergent tastes.  Mine just travels along that vein, having c= ome from and grown up in that area.  Same area Frisell comes from. &nbs= p;

Hope you're feeling better.  I dissolved ar= ound age 40.  It was terrifying.  But after that, life kind of rea= lly began for me.  It does get better - much better.  Have faith.<= /div>

R
Richard Sales
Sent from my IPad


On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:44 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Wow, with all these recomme= ndations from all these wonderful inventive loopers, I might have to put "ch= eckin him out" a bit higher in my list. I just cant imagine Micheal Karoli o= r Keith Levine or one of MY fave guitarists doin a beatles tune in (a very c= leverly played)  obscured by jazz holocaust way... I love the Beatles a= nd them tunes get played in all manner of awful abortions, and.. jeeeez this= was close to one of the worst.
Why do Jazz versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and B) Che= ezy?
Of course theres good Jazz, I love some Davis and Corea and Coltrane= (Alice) and Supersilent...  but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats Muzak...=

Hey Richard you said Delta Blues, Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all those= things were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste."
Whats Delta Blues.= ..? Any old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide guitarist gets called D= elta Blues, Jazz can be anything, from good to terrible and Funky music? Did= you say Funky? Like as in Lipps Inc. =E2=80=93 Funky Town or Prodigy =E2=80=93 Funky Shit= . Funky just means.. "What I like to dance to"  Am I right? OK

Im certainly NOT critisising this man, I already said what I liked about= this clip and Im saying up front that I know nothing about him.. But his na= me crops up with such regularity on this list that I guess I have a duty to g= o off and check him out, its just that that THIS one clip wasnt the mind-blo= wing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a bit like Torn right? I hav= e to admit that watching David Torn in one of these hundreds of New Jazz tri= os with his (oh so experimental) feedback, also does NOTHING for me... howev= er, I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very interesting place.. S= plattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the same...

Oh and Bill, yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually its only T= eles I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck pickup or with t= hat wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome, (Did I type awesome? Y= ikes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I guess I just have sour g= rapes, never been able to afford a "proper" guitar, a life full of Ibanez is= gonna make a man pretty bitter I spose...

Oh... and Ive been off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress, had s= ome kind of break-down or burn-out.. so that might have made me a bit grumpy= too...

mark



On Sun, Feb 5,= 2012 at 7:51 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Check out FLoratone.  One of the greatest= records of the past ten years.  Like Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telec= aster.  Dennis Chambers on drums.  Truly wonderful, IMHO.

Frisell is not a guitar showboat.  He's more of a composer.  And h= e has cool roots in Delta Blues, jazz, funky music of all stripes.   I'= m a recent convert of his stuff.  Only know a little bit.

It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me.  It's the whol= e man that comes through the music that speaks to me.  The guitar is ju= st the vehicle for the imagination of the whole man.

That's different!  I love 'different'.

I care more about imagination than guitar chops, or even tones.  And.. I= care a lot about tones.

Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot.  But on Floraton= e the tones are terrific.  And I've seen some live stuff that was quite= tasty tonally.

Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip out. &nbs= p;Traveling!  Will do when I get home.

love the debate!

Richard Sales
Sent from my IPad
www.glasswing.com=


On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same > sentence is just... too much. :-D
>
> This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it.
> There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank you<= br> > for sharing this gig with the list.
> Downloaded the audio immediately.
>
>
> 2012/2/5 chaz worm <cha= z@earthwormandfire.com>:
>> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatl= es songs.
>> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beat= les
>> classics.
>> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards lo= oping was
>> awesome.
>>
>> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing= my
>> favorite Beatles song.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D= EUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he pla= yed.
>>
>>
>> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: mark@markfrancombe.= com
>> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100
>> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of loop= ing
>> To: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest= bit
>> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong wit= h the
>> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined wi= th that
>> nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pick= up on the
>> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadl= y the
>> sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... c= ould
>> have been worse tho, could have been a tele...
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think=
>> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe= he
>> just cares more about the playing?
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboyse= n.com
>> http= ://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks= .
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does r= evers and
>>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave)= . Maybe a
>>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expe= cted to
>>>> hear some wider "manglement".
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>>
>>>> Per Boysen
>>>> www.= perboysen.com
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> he loves the freeze pedal
>>>>>
>>>>> Teddy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
= >>>>>
>>>>> http://www.npr.org/event/musi= c/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Francombe
>> www.mark= francombe.com
>> www.ordoabk= hao.com
>> http://vi= meo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop.= no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Petri
>




--
Mar= k Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
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= --Apple-Mail-DB7EB3C9-78FD-402B-AC2A-A2E463DA8A6A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 02:12:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 068B4183465; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 02:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5B2D8EA2B5F04401BE694B7F4C60DA33@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> <083381DA-03C8-4BCE-86C8-0E487B6FCC29@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <083381DA-03C8-4BCE-86C8-0E487B6FCC29@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 02:12:57 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CCE474.D7D1C550" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 02:12:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CCE474.D7D1C550 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01CCE474.D7D1C550" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CCE474.D7D1C550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You don=E2=80=99t have to be an old fart to appreciate the originals, = you just have to have good taste!=20 From: richard sales=20 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Delta blues? I'm talking about Robert Johnson, Blind Willie Johnson, = John Hurt, Fred McDowell, Charlie Patton etc. All great, with Robert = Johnson being one of the greatest songwriters that ever lived. And a = terrifyingly good guitarist to boot - esp if you consider what EVERYONE = else was doing at the time. He was sort of the Jimi Hendrix of the late = 20's early 30's. =20 Not talking about the new clean washed stuff. =20 It's the foundation. Out of this came R&B, which married Country and = Western and Southern Appalachian music and became Rock and Roll. Being = a very old fart, I have enormous respect for the Originals. Not = rational, I'm sure! Haven't heard Frisell's Beatles covers yet. I'm not sure how interested = I am in it either. I'm more fascinated with original voices, ideas, = creations - hence the fascination with Delta Blues, which was extremely = original... along with Mountain Music etc. =20 Fortunately, it's a very big world with huge divergent tastes. Mine = just travels along that vein, having come from and grown up in that = area. Same area Frisell comes from. =20 Hope you're feeling better. I dissolved around age 40. It was = terrifying. But after that, life kind of really began for me. It does = get better - much better. Have faith. R Richard Sales=20 Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:44 AM, mark francombe = wrote: Wow, with all these recommendations from all these wonderful inventive = loopers, I might have to put "checkin him out" a bit higher in my list. = I just cant imagine Micheal Karoli or Keith Levine or one of MY fave = guitarists doin a beatles tune in (a very cleverly played) obscured by = jazz holocaust way... I love the Beatles and them tunes get played in = all manner of awful abortions, and.. jeeeez this was close to one of the = worst. Why do Jazz versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and = B) Cheezy? Of course theres good Jazz, I love some Davis and Corea and Coltrane = (Alice) and Supersilent... but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats Muzak... Hey Richard you said Delta Blues, Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all = those things were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste." Whats Delta Blues...? Any old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide = guitarist gets called Delta Blues, Jazz can be anything, from good to = terrible and Funky music? Did you say Funky? Like as in Lipps Inc. = =E2=80=93 Funky Town or Prodigy =E2=80=93 Funky Shit. Funky just means.. = "What I like to dance to" Am I right? OK Im certainly NOT critisising this man, I already said what I liked = about this clip and Im saying up front that I know nothing about him.. = But his name crops up with such regularity on this list that I guess I = have a duty to go off and check him out, its just that that THIS one = clip wasnt the mind-blowing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a = bit like Torn right? I have to admit that watching David Torn in one of = these hundreds of New Jazz trios with his (oh so experimental) feedback, = also does NOTHING for me... however, I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts = him into a very interesting place.. Splattercell for example... I hope = Frissel is the same...=20 Oh and Bill, yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually its = only Teles I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck pickup = or with that wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome, (Did I = type awesome? Yikes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I = guess I just have sour grapes, never been able to afford a "proper" = guitar, a life full of Ibanez is gonna make a man pretty bitter I = spose... Oh... and Ive been off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress, = had some kind of break-down or burn-out.. so that might have made me a = bit grumpy too... mark On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, richard sales = wrote: Check out FLoratone. One of the greatest records of the past ten = years. Like Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telecaster. Dennis Chambers on = drums. Truly wonderful, IMHO. Frisell is not a guitar showboat. He's more of a composer. And he = has cool roots in Delta Blues, jazz, funky music of all stripes. I'm a = recent convert of his stuff. Only know a little bit. It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me. It's the = whole man that comes through the music that speaks to me. The guitar is = just the vehicle for the imagination of the whole man. That's different! I love 'different'. I care more about imagination than guitar chops, or even tones. = And.. I care a lot about tones. Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot. But on = Floratone the tones are terrific. And I've seen some live stuff that = was quite tasty tonally. Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip = out. Traveling! Will do when I get home. love the debate! Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Petri Lahtinen = wrote: > Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the = same > sentence is just... too much. :-D > > This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it. > There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank = you > for sharing this gig with the list. > Downloaded the audio immediately. > > > 2012/2/5 chaz worm : >> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav = beatles songs. >> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of = Beatles >> classics. >> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards = looping was >> awesome. >> >> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine = playing my >> favorite Beatles song. >> >> = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_play= er >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock = >> wrote: >> >> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he = played. >> >> >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> >> ________________________________ >> From: mark@markfrancombe.com >> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of = looping >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the = slightest bit >> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong = with the >> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined = with that >> nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge = pickup on the >> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... = Admittadly the >> sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good = thing... could >> have been worse tho, could have been a tele... >> >> :-) >> >> >> M >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >> >> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys = think >> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or = maybe he >> just cares more about the playing? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg = wrote: >>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does = revers and >>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). = Maybe a >>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected = to >>>> hear some wider "manglement". >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg = wrote: >>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using? >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> he loves the freeze pedal >>>>> >>>>> Teddy >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >>>>> >>>>> = http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > > > > -- > Petri > --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CCE474.D7D1C550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You don=E2=80=99t have to be an old fart to appreciate the = originals, you just have=20 to have good taste!
 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use = of=20 looping
 
Delta blues?  I'm talking about Robert Johnson, Blind Willie=20 Johnson,  John Hurt, Fred McDowell, Charlie Patton etc.  All = great,=20 with Robert Johnson being one of the greatest songwriters that ever = lived. And a=20 terrifyingly good guitarist to boot - esp if you consider what EVERYONE = else was=20 doing at the time.  He was sort of the Jimi Hendrix of the late = 20's early=20 30's. 
 
Not talking about the new clean washed stuff. 
 
It's the foundation.  Out of this came R&B, which married = Country=20 and Western and Southern Appalachian music and became Rock and = Roll.  =20 Being a very old fart, I have enormous respect for the Originals.  = Not=20 rational, I'm sure!
 
Haven't heard Frisell's Beatles covers yet.  I'm not sure how=20 interested I am in it either.  I'm more fascinated with original = voices,=20 ideas, creations - hence the fascination with Delta Blues, which was = extremely=20 original... along with Mountain Music etc. 

Fortunately, = it's a=20 very big world with huge divergent tastes.  Mine just travels along = that=20 vein, having come from and grown up in that area.  Same area = Frisell comes=20 from. 
 
Hope you're feeling better.  I dissolved around age 40.  = It was=20 terrifying.  But after that, life kind of really began for = me.  It=20 does get better - much better.  Have faith.
 
R
Richard Sales=20
Sent from my IPad
 

On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:44 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=20 wrote:

Wow, with all these recommendations from all these wonderful = inventive=20 loopers, I might have to put "checkin him out" a bit higher in my = list. I just=20 cant imagine Micheal Karoli or Keith Levine or one of MY fave = guitarists doin=20 a beatles tune in (a very cleverly played)  obscured by jazz = holocaust=20 way... I love the Beatles and them tunes get played in all manner of = awful=20 abortions, and.. jeeeez this was close to one of the worst.
Why do = Jazz=20 versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and B) = Cheezy?
Of=20 course theres good Jazz, I love some Davis and Corea and Coltrane = (Alice) and=20 Supersilent...  but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats = Muzak...

Hey=20 Richard you said Delta Blues, Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all those = things=20 were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste."
Whats Delta = Blues...? Any=20 old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide guitarist gets called = Delta=20 Blues, Jazz can be anything, from good to terrible and Funky music? = Did you=20 say Funky? Like as in Lipps = Inc. =E2=80=93 Funky=20 Town or=20 Prodigy =E2=80=93 Funky Shit. Funky just means.. "What I like to = dance to" =20 Am I right? OK

Im certainly NOT critisising this man, I already = said=20 what I liked about this clip and Im saying up front that I know = nothing about=20 him.. But his name crops up with such regularity on this list that I = guess I=20 have a duty to go off and check him out, its just that that THIS one = clip=20 wasnt the mind-blowing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a = bit like=20 Torn right? I have to admit that watching David Torn in one of these = hundreds=20 of New Jazz trios with his (oh so experimental) feedback, also does = NOTHING=20 for me... however, I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very = interesting place.. Splattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the = same...=20

Oh and Bill, yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually = its=20 only Teles I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck = pickup or=20 with that wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome, (Did I = type=20 awesome? Yikes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I guess I = just=20 have sour grapes, never been able to afford a "proper" guitar, a life = full of=20 Ibanez is gonna make a man pretty bitter I spose...

Oh... and = Ive been=20 off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress, had some kind of = break-down=20 or burn-out.. so that might have made me a bit grumpy=20 too...

mark



On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, richard sales = <richard@glasswing.com>=20 wrote:
Check out FLoratone.  One of the greatest = records of=20 the past ten years.  Like Kind Of Blue with a dash of = Telecaster. =20 Dennis Chambers on drums.  Truly wonderful, = IMHO.

Frisell is not=20 a guitar showboat.  He's more of a composer.  And he has = cool=20 roots in Delta Blues, jazz, funky music of all stripes.   = I'm a=20 recent convert of his stuff.  Only know a little = bit.

It's not=20 the guitar playing necessarily that catches me.  It's the whole = man=20 that comes through the music that speaks to me.  The guitar is = just the=20 vehicle for the imagination of the whole man.

That's = different! =20 I love 'different'.

I care more about imagination than guitar = chops,=20 or even tones.  And.. I care a lot about tones.

Fender = Deluxe is=20 not my fave amp and he uses it a lot.  But on Floratone the = tones are=20 terrific.  And I've seen some live stuff that was quite tasty=20 tonally.

Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original = message) clip out.  Traveling!  Will do when I get=20 home.

love the debate!

Richard Sales
Sent from my IPad
www.glasswing.com


On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Petri Lahtinen = <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>=20 wrote:

> Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell = and muzak=20 in the same
> sentence is just... too much. = :-D
>
> This=20 guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear = it.
>=20 There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank=20 you
> for sharing this gig with the list.
> Downloaded = the audio=20 immediately.
>
>
> 2012/2/5 chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com&g= t;:
>>=20 I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav = beatles=20 songs.
>> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak = jazz=20 voicings of Beatles
>> classics.
>> I really liked = what he=20 did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards looping was
>>=20 awesome.
>>
>> Heres a clip of my little brother = utilizing=20 my loop machine playing my
>> favorite Beatles=20 song.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3D= youtube_gdata_player
>>
>>
>>=20 Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 = AM,=20 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>=
>>=20 wrote:
>>
>> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the = guitar but=20 didn't like what he played.
>>
>>
>> = Gareth=20 Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>>
>>=20 ________________________________
>> From: mark@markfrancombe.com
>= >=20 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100
>> Subject: Re: Bill = Frisell a=20 master at work.. some great use of looping
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>>
>>=20 I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest=20 bit
>> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. = Whats=20 wrong with the
>> guitar sound? I thought his insanely = accurate=20 fingering combined with that
>> nice neck pickup sound was = lovely,=20 there was a flick to bridge pickup on the
>> last chard of = Nowhere=20 man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the
>> sound = aint=20 that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... = could
>>=20 have been worse tho, could have been a = tele...
>>
>>=20 :-)
>>
>>
>> M
>>
>> On = Sat,=20 Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
>>
>> I'm not an expert regarding this = musician's=20 work. Do you guys think
>> Frisell himself likes that = guitar sound=20 he was playing on? Or maybe he
>> just cares more about the = playing?
>>
>> Greetings from=20 Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>&= gt;
>>
>>=20 On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com>=20 wrote:
>>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper = based on=20 the clicks.
>>>
>>>=20 Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, = Per Boysen=20 wrote:
>>>
>>>> It sounded like the = freeze pedal=20 and a a looper that does revers and
>>>> double speed = (he=20 used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe = a
>>>> Rang=20 or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected=20 to
>>>> hear some wider=20 "manglement".
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from = Sweden
>>>>
>>>> Per=20 Boysen
>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>><= BR>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>=20 On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com>=20 wrote:
>>>>> Do we know what pedals he is=20 using?
>>>>>
>>>>>=20 Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, = at 8:46=20 AM, Teddy Kumpel = wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> he=20 loves the freeze = pedal
>>>>>
>>>>>=20 Teddy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, = 2012, at=20 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl=20 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tin= y-desk-concert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>= ;>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>=
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>=20 --
>> Mark Francombe
>> www.markfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoabkhao.com
>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop.no
>>=20 twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>>= ;
>
>
>
>=20 --
> = Petri
>



--
Mark=20 Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no
twitter=20 @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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But I = also routinely find myself bored before the end of the album =97 some = more than others. Same reaction to seeing him live. I'm not sure what's = up with that. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 04:23:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB39F183475; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 04:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3Z1SbCbVHspapRkKwCP1ROx/Ww+QBPV8Fe3APZx17TY=; b=d8+aW3Biy0yW5/rkJl4TwDv2VQXq1+m8aekpuDqPCbRrSnN/deXeblCu59HmAvtQRp mOGzd2ASzUulBEBfWfcj9th5twbLciPInYEK3SBxuS2ZNgY1SlwJHQBQv1lwStSt9BzP r+5q6aUguBlAWzhX0uKeOYyJshbX1t0P/tQsU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <21145883-ED35-456A-A331-76ECDB9561EC@grubmah.com> References: <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> <4F2F1EA3.8070108@cruzio.com> <21145883-ED35-456A-A331-76ECDB9561EC@grubmah.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:23:53 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba1eff4ab9783904b84407f9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 04:23:55 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba1eff4ab9783904b84407f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Mark, I get what you are saying. There is a lot more to Frisell than the pretty stuff. Here's a 92 video of Frisell playing with Naked City. It starts out with a piece that could be the Swans. Frisell can play noise too. *http://youtu.be/PYgsaeGWNHA* On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I find myself drawn back to Frisell's work on a routine basis. But I also > routinely find myself bored before the end of the album =97 some more tha= n > others. Same reaction to seeing him live. I'm not sure what's up with tha= t. > > Mark > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com --90e6ba1eff4ab9783904b84407f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Mark,

I get what you are saying. There is a lot more= to Frisell than the pretty stuff. Here's a 92 video of Frisell playing= with Naked City. It starts out with a piece that could be the Swans. Frise= ll can play noise too.
http://y= outu.be/PYgsaeGWNHA

On Sun= , Feb 5, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
I find myself drawn back to Frisell's wo= rk on a routine basis. But I also routinely find myself bored before the en= d of the album =97 some more than others. Same reaction to seeing him live.= I'm not sure what's up with that.

Mark




-- Art Simon
simart= @gmail.com

--90e6ba1eff4ab9783904b84407f9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 06:17:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 436E6183479; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 22:17:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:17:50 +0000 (UTC) well I gotta say I'm a guy who likes Bill Frissell, When I spent a semester at Jerklee Spoilage of Fuzak , i mean Berklee College of Music, i got to see him in a band called Tiger's Baku and he was then as he is now, a laid back impressionist painter of a guitar player, and this was in 1978-79. don't get me wrong he did cut loose at times but never to the point of excessive widdly widdly. The band was playing inventive Miles inspired jazz rock with Tiger Oshi playing great trumpet. I picked up a technique from BF that night that i still use to this day, he was real testing the neck of his SG by flexing the it to create beautiful vibrato effects on his chords and single note lines. Does he thrill me on an emotional level like Jeff Beck, or Hendrix or Terje Rypdal can? no, but I like his inventiveness, take those Beatles covers for example, I appreciate how much space he used in an age when fingerstyle virtuosos routinely butcher the Beatles with over indulgent hyper arrangements. I've seen him play now and then over the years, and what i like about him is he isn't in a hurry to crowd the music with extra ideas, he listens and interacts well in a group context and never ever have i seen him play from a place of chops ego. That is refreshing particularly in the field of jazz which is rife with technique worship :-). He'd probably tell you its because he has no chops but its more about intent and space with him. he seems really comfortable in his skin which i admire. He doesn't quite move toward the uber visceral territory like David Torn does, but this NPR thing is but a tip of his iceberg. So i would encourage you to check him out further , i've seen him when the music was transcendent and when it was a bit sleep inducing. He is really unpredictable and does take chances musically, but at the same time if you aren't in to jazz he may not move you. I've met him and he is a nice guy , shy and droll, introspective , like his music. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 07:04:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4195183478; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2F7B84.1080208@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:04:36 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:04:46 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I suspect hes a bit like Torn right? I have to admit that watching > David Torn in one of these hundreds of New Jazz trios with his (oh so > experimental) feedback, also does NOTHING for me... however, I have > heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very interesting place.. > Splattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the same... Bill Frisell is such an eclectic artist, Mark, that it is virtually impossible to judge him based on a single recording. He tours through Santa Cruz a lot and I see him every chance I get (3 or 4 times already and missed as many). He always has a different group........sometimes he plays really roots Americana...... sometimes he's more experimental , live looping, sometimes he does jazz things, sometimes he's funky. I actually think of him as one of the top most important jazz musicians in the US right now (another favorite is Brian Blade). But he's very eclectic. I've even seen shows where the style of music he's mining is not particularly resonant with me, aesthetically........he tends to like country a lot more than I do. But he's really amazing in concert and I've never seen him do the same thing twice. A deep, deep, deep musician, imho. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 07:23:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22C66183475; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2F7FF3.9080200@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:23:31 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Hamburg CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping References: <21145883-ED35-456A-A331-76ECDB9561EC@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <21145883-ED35-456A-A331-76ECDB9561EC@grubmah.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010406050105010005090603" Resent-Message-ID: <_8Dy6.A.N8C.-_3LPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:23:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010406050105010005090603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I find myself drawn back to Frisell's work on a routine basis. But I also routinely find myself bored before the end of the album --- some more than others. Same reaction to seeing him live. I'm not sure what's up with that. Weird, but I have the same reaction, Mark (and I think that Bill Frissel is a truly great artist)...... and, to tell you the truth, I have that reaction to most jazz concerts in general......especially the ones with a heavy 'shred' mentality about them. Sometimes I wonder if I have some hidden 'note count' in my brain that makes me just shut off after I've heard a certain amount. I went to the John McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Christian McBride, Vinny Coliauta concert at our local Civic Auditorium and walked out after four songs. I think people who loved that concert must find me nuts, but I just was full up completely after four songs (of nearly identical soloing by McLaughlin, an artist I once used to love dearly). I have to say the standout exception to this was this years Brian Blade concert at Kuumbwa. That one, honestly goes down as the greatest jazz concert I've ever seen in my life. It was so powerful and emotional. I wept a couple of times during the show, the people next to me and in back of me were weeping at one point as was one of the saxaphonists on stage...........it was sooooooo beautiful. rick walker --------------010406050105010005090603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: 
I find myself drawn back to Frisell's work on a routine basis. But I also routinely find myself bored before the end of the album — some more than others. Same reaction to seeing him live. I'm not sure what's up with that.

Weird, but I have the same reaction,  Mark (and I think that
Bill Frissel is a truly great artist)......  and, to tell you the truth,  I have that reaction to most jazz
concerts in general......especially the ones with a heavy 'shred' mentality about them.

Sometimes I wonder if I have some hidden 'note count' in my brain that makes
me just shut off after I've heard a certain amount.

I went to the John McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Christian McBride, Vinny Coliauta concert
at our local Civic Auditorium and walked out after four songs.

I think people who loved that concert must find me nuts,  but I just was full up completely
after four songs (of nearly identical soloing by McLaughlin,  an artist I once used to
love dearly).

I have to say the standout exception to this was this years  Brian Blade concert
at Kuumbwa.    That one, honestly goes down as the greatest jazz concert I've ever
seen in my life.   It was so powerful and emotional.    I wept a couple of times during the
show, the people next to me and in back of me were weeping at one point as was
one of the saxaphonists on stage...........it was sooooooo beautiful.

rick walker
 --------------010406050105010005090603-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 07:58:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73F5C183477; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:58:32 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ From: Claudio Pianini To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ Thread-Index: AczkpR6K8nriqabaE0mQtlR5NdjVAA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3411363524_18341" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:58:49 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3411363524_18341 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for getting back to me Phil. Well the feedback is turned all the way up. I tried different things, but none is working. On 2/5/12 9:15 PM, "Phil Clevenger" wrote: > Is the feedback turned down? >=20 >=20 > On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Claudio Pianini wrote: >=20 >> I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ >> Hello, >>=20 >> I=B9m having serious problems with my Echoplex DDP+. I start recording a l= oop >> and have it run and suddenly the volume cuts off. What can I do about th= is? >>=20 >> Best regards >> Claudio=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3411363524_18341 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ Thanks for getting back to me Phil.

Well the feedback is turned all the way up. I tried different things, but n= one is working.


On 2/5/12 9:15 PM, "Phil Clevenger" <phil.clevenger@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

Is the feedback turned dow= n?


On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Claudio Pianini wrote:

I'm having problems with m= y Echoplex DDP+
Hello,

I’m having serious problems with my Echoplex DDP+. I start recording = a loop and have it run and suddenly the volume cuts off. What can I do about= this?

Best regards
Claudio


--B_3411363524_18341-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 11:30:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B32A2183474; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 719988001/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.156/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.156 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAKS4L09YbRic/2dsb2JhbAAMN7IuAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwFuLZAEEAgECAgkEAQ0EBgEKAgIDBgIEAgEEAgIcAQIBgnQBAgkCAgEDAQMEBAIGBwQCAQEKAYEIAiGDHASabY0W X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,369,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="719988001" Message-ID: <4F2FB9E9.3070704@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 11:30:49 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I'm having problems with my Echoplex DDP+ References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:30:50 +0000 (UTC) hi Claudio, try the edp with no footpedals connected. Does problem persist? Tell us about any numbers that appear in the display. (a value should be displayed if Feedback or Volume change for any reason.) Please try to give as much relevant info as possible. andy Claudio Pianini wrote: > Thanks for getting back to me Phil. > > Well the feedback is turned all the way up. I tried different things, > but none is working. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 12:39:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDF06183475; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> <4F2F1EA3.8070108@cruzio.com> <21145883-ED35-456A-A331-76ECDB9561EC@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <21145883-ED35-456A-A331-76ECDB9561EC@grubmah.com> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:39:00 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps your reaction is something you could learn from... I can't remember the artist that did this to me, but I found myself always bored with his reliance upon specific riffs. Perhaps he thought this was his signature or something but it bored me to tears. I resolved not to do the same quite so much myself. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping I find myself drawn back to Frisell's work on a routine basis. But I also routinely find myself bored before the end of the album — some more than others. Same reaction to seeing him live. I'm not sure what's up with that. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 13:03:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDDCA183466; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=S2Bkzdb1IZCkFniMbuwmNldP3g9O4VO3/IO44NSPvkpcYmkjhx1lU0nFx6z7jLDn; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4F2F7B84.1080208@cruzio.com> References: <4F2F7B84.1080208@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:03:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-883589060==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ad801f6a250496849cbb5af04d8bec5c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:03:57 +0000 (UTC) --============_-883589060==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I first discovered Bill Frisell on an Eberhard Weber record called "Fluid Rustle" in the late 1970s. Back then what he was doing was pretty revolutionary.. he played in a deceptively simple style and use the most minimal chord voicings I'd ever heard. Most of all, his tone was not the "accepted" tone of any "Jass" or "Fuzak" guitarist, but rather more like a pedal steel: clean, sometimes spikey.. When I finally saw him perform live (with Eberhard Weber and Lyle Mays, after Weber's "Later That Evening" record") I could see that the sinewy tone he had developed was bourne out of necessity, he was playing an early 1960 Les Paul Jr (the "SG" looking models) and flexing the instrument to deal with that particular instrument's intonation and tuning issues. This gave him his characteristic "pitch swarble" that so many of his followers imitate by using their whammy bars, the the single P-90 pickup added to the steel guitar impression, too. Over the years I've gotten to know Bill and have had some great discussions, his daughter is a gifted photographer, BTW. Most recently I ran into Bill (literally) as we were both bee-lining it for a 1963 "SG' Lespaul Jr hanging on the wall at the Guitar Center on 14th street in Manhattan. We were each so focused on the instrument that we collided, paused for a second, stunned and I heard "Chuck!!" coming from above (Bill is a rather large man, and well over 6 feet tall, and I'm probably a foot shorter and 200lbs lighter), I looked up: "Bill!" I smiled, "Were you going for that SG Jr?" "Yes..!" he answered... I mentioned that the first time I saw him play that's the guitar he was using, he mentioned that he had loved that instrument. I mentioned the Weber gig and he pondered "What amp was I using then?".. we both answered at the same time and had the same look of disbelief at the memory: "A Lab Series... wow...". Anyone who's played through one of those amps will understand the disbelief... ;-) -Chuck Zwicky -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-883589060==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of loop
I first discovered Bill Frisell on an Eberhard Weber record called "Fluid Rustle" in the late 1970s.  Back then what he was doing was pretty revolutionary..  he played in a deceptively simple style and use the most minimal  chord voicings I'd ever heard.   Most of all, his tone was not the  "accepted" tone of any "Jass" or "Fuzak" guitarist, but rather more like a pedal steel: clean, sometimes spikey..   When I finally saw him perform live (with Eberhard Weber and Lyle Mays, after Weber's "Later That Evening" record") I could see that the sinewy tone he had developed was bourne out of necessity, he was playing an early 1960 Les Paul Jr (the "SG" looking models) and flexing the instrument to deal with that particular instrument's intonation and tuning issues.  This gave him his characteristic "pitch swarble" that so many of his followers imitate by using their whammy bars, the the single P-90 pickup added to the steel guitar impression, too.

Over the years I've gotten to know Bill and have had some great discussions, his daughter is a gifted photographer, BTW.   Most recently I ran into Bill (literally) as we were both bee-lining it for a 1963 "SG' Lespaul Jr hanging on the wall at the Guitar Center on 14th street in Manhattan.   We were each so focused on the instrument that we collided, paused for a second, stunned and I heard "Chuck!!" coming from above (Bill is a rather large man, and well over 6 feet tall, and I'm probably a foot shorter and 200lbs lighter), I  looked up: "Bill!" I smiled, "Were you going for that SG Jr?"  "Yes..!" he answered...  I mentioned that the first time I saw him play that's the guitar he was using, he mentioned that he had loved that instrument.  I mentioned the Weber gig and he pondered "What amp was I using then?".. we both answered at the same time and had the same look of disbelief at the memory: "A Lab Series...  wow...".   Anyone who's played through one of those amps will understand the disbelief... ;-)

-Chuck Zwicky


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http://www.zmix.net

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--============_-883589060==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 14:38:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D0C3183477; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Vua7IK1Sb5PQVQPraH3lRU1M3svKdZzOMbN33egnhyo=; b=QyHs5/bPApG6XQrMhcN27u3JdfrZpYhc0egIuvENmkSyvyCwNMIz/VXj0KhyUOQRaS M9W15btjlofxMnJbmegdadktzFcrDIXvHAK6uifvm1ZuzdoPiha6kiXuM2qH84fHN5F1 2hlDMSmRtiXoc+uoUAK5LE/RtcIAZcSMQDHyY= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:38:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f839c47ede92b04b84c9d48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:38:34 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f839c47ede92b04b84c9d48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone have good luck getting a recording of vocals processed to sound like bass? Not only do I not get a great sound, I get a horrendous ringing/distortion: http://mikefugazzi.com/files/Rattle_Demo.mp3 I do a solo show where I play harmonica, beatbox, and sing basslines into an octave effect. http://youtu.be/mxh_m9E2s1c I am using a mic into a POD HD500 for everything. I have a patch for harp, one for beatboxing, and one for the bass lines. I have an impossible time getting a good sound when recording direct to a Mackie Blackjack. See here for more info: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/newbie-audio-engineering-production-question-zone-trial-beta-forum/649234-problems-recording-bass-onyx-blackjack.html(I've since ditched the M13 and Tech 21 for just the POD HD) I've tried a Line6 M13, POD HD500, Boss OC2, Danelectro Chili Dog, and a EHX Micro POG with no luck...everyone has resulted in a serviceable live sound but a super annoying highend distortion/ringing/rattle when recording direct. Live I am doing alright...this doesn't happen through my mains or monitors. The distortion is wrecking any chance of me getting a listenable demo for any sort of use. I have scoured the internet and troubleshooting for months with NO luck of any sorts. I get not ringing, etc, when gigging, monitoring in my modest home studio, or using the headphone jack of the POD. It only happens on playback. Any help??????? My other patches sound great and record just fine.... Thanks! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --e89a8f839c47ede92b04b84c9d48 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Anyone have good luck getting a=20 recording of vocals processed to sound like bass?=A0 Not only do I not get a great sound, I get a horrendous ringing/distortion: http://mikefugazzi.com/files/Rattle_Demo.mp3

=A0

I do a solo show where I play harmonica, beatbox, and sing bassli= nes into an octave effect. http://youtu.be/mxh_m9E2s1c

=A0

I am using a mic into a POD HD500 for everything.=A0 I have a patch for=20 harp, one for beatboxing, and one for the bass lines. I have an=20 impossible time getting a good sound when recording direct to a Mackie=20 Blackjack.

=A0

= See here for more info:=A0 http://www.gearslutz.com/board/newbie-audio-en= gineering-production-question-zone-trial-beta-forum/649234-problems-recordi= ng-bass-onyx-blackjack.html (I've since ditched the M13 and T= ech 21 for just the POD HD)

=A0

I've tried a Line6 M13, POD HD500, Boss OC2, Danelectro Chili Dog, and a EHX Micro POG with no luck...everyone has resulted in a serviceable live=20 sound but a super annoying highend distortion/ringing/rattle when=20 recording direct.=A0 Live I am doing alright...this doesn't happen thro= ugh my mains or monitors.

=A0

The distortion is wrecking any chance of me getting a listenable demo for=20 any sort of use.=A0 I have scoured the internet and troubleshooting for=20 months with NO luck of any sorts.=A0 I get not ringing, etc, when gigging, monitoring in my modest home studio, or using the headphone jack of the POD.=A0 It only happens on playback.

=A0

Any help???????

=A0

My other patches sound great and record jus= t fine....

=A0

Thanks!


----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi= .com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

--e89a8f839c47ede92b04b84c9d48-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 15:31:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1FCC18347A; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Hamburg X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:31:39 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F2D891E.90501@tiscali.co.uk> <4F2F1EA3.8070108@cruzio.com> <21145883-ED35-456A-A331-76ECDB9561EC@grubmah.com> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (posting)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:31:41 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 6, 2012, at 4:39 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Perhaps your reaction is something you could learn from... I can't = remember the artist that did this to me, but I found myself always bored = with his reliance upon specific riffs. Perhaps he thought this was his = signature or something but it bored me to tears. I resolved not to do = the same quite so much myself. That would be an accurate read on some of my playing... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 15:40:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1FCF183479; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-185-195762923 Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:39:57 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4F2F7FF3.9080200@cruzio.com> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (posting)" References: <21145883-ED35-456A-A331-76ECDB9561EC@grubmah.com> <4F2F7FF3.9080200@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <2E15CD5F-9D92-418C-9D8F-67A95852DE79@grubmah.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <-SHiFB.A.QI.PR_LPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:39:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-185-195762923 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>=20 >> I find myself drawn back to Frisell's work on a routine basis. But I = also routinely find myself bored before the end of the album =97 some = more than others. Same reaction to seeing him live. I'm not sure what's = up with that. >=20 > Weird, but I have the same reaction, Mark (and I think that=20 > Bill Frissel is a truly great artist)...... and, to tell you the = truth, I have that reaction to most jazz=20 > concerts in general......especially the ones with a heavy 'shred' = mentality about them. Theory... Group statement of theme, individual solos, group statement of theme is = a great opportunity to hear virtuosic playing but it can be short on = memorable material. So, the next time around, one feels like "haven't I = been here before"? Each moment is great, but one "gets it" before the = performance is done. Contrast this with pop music which I'm probably less drawn to go hear = but which puts a lot of emphasis on having good hooks. At the same time, the work is involved enough that one can't just = disappear into it the way one can with something like Music for Eighteen = Musicians, a piece I love but which gets plenty of "wow. isn't this = repetitive?" looks from many others. I guess this is where shuffle play comes in. A little bit of Frisell is = wonderful and it can be sprinkled in liberally, but it also helps to = break it up. Mark --Apple-Mail-185-195762923 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
=20 =20
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: 
I find myself drawn back to Frisell's work on a =
routine basis. But I also routinely find myself bored before the end of =
the album =97 some more than others. Same reaction to seeing him live. =
I'm not sure what's up with that.

Weird, but I have the same reaction,  Mark (and I think that =
Bill Frissel is a truly great artist)......  and, to tell you = the truth,  I have that reaction to most jazz
concerts in general......especially the ones with a heavy 'shred' mentality about = them.

Theory...

=
Group statement of theme, individual solos, group statement = of theme is a great opportunity to hear virtuosic playing but it can be = short on memorable material. So, the next time around, one feels like = "haven't I been here before"? Each moment is great, but one "gets it" = before the performance is done.

Contrast this = with pop music which I'm probably less drawn to go hear but which puts a = lot of emphasis on having good hooks.

At the = same time, the work is involved enough that one can't just disappear = into it the way one can with something like Music for Eighteen = Musicians, a piece I love but which gets plenty of "wow. isn't this = repetitive?" looks from many others.

I guess = this is where shuffle play comes in. A little bit of Frisell is = wonderful and it can be sprinkled in liberally, but it also helps to = break it = up.

Mark

= --Apple-Mail-185-195762923-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 16:02:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CA0818348A; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 730204017/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.156/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.156 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAFj5L09YbRic/2dsb2JhbAAMNrI0AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAGwJ4tkAQQCAQICCQQBDQQGAQoCAgMGAgQCAQQCAhwDgnUBAgkCAgEDAQMEBAIGBwQCAQEKAXwCCgIhgxwEmm2NFg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,371,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="730204017" Message-ID: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:02:53 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Mike Fugazzi wrote: > Anyone have good luck getting a recording of vocals processed to sound > like bass? Not only do I not get a great sound, I get a horrendous > ringing/distortion: http://mikefugazzi.com/files/Rattle_Demo.mp3 Only thing I can hear there that's commonly considered a problem is the noise caused by blowing into the mic. I expect that when you're playing through your amp that high frequency sound is filtered/distorted out to give the beatbox sound that you want. If that's right (and I'm guessing a bit here) then the amp's part of your sound, it's the amp that is changing your sound, not the DI setup. To make a demo maybe you need a good quality condenser mic on the amp. ...but then it's all gonna be pretty grungy, like the live footage. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 16:40:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C73E3183475; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QRElPYX9L8fbZKWGb0XDbb8wwiJkEWoMbTShIPS3lh0=; b=O9p3N1oXB1/MUL1d83vTcNielNf1WctRQCeLFamFXlQiSsxoLKd212lUmulARxu8P/ vgtq9uf/XAfd91pnNflqS9aqxo8yVRU3FwHjicjNp4vldRmcxEm843H9YGVnhNG25XCw jftY+zaP/CZbYpMeeynta+U9DqLI/M7tCM6mA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 10:40:42 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044289eec9db8004b84e5232 Resent-Message-ID: <2SFKOB.A.w6.LKAMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:40:43 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044289eec9db8004b84e5232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 thanks for posting these. i'll have to watch them later. in regards to the below-he has played strats since the album w/ dave holland and elvin jones (maybe even before that)...it's just that live during the 1st part of the 2000s he played a tele mostly. i think recording he favors short scale teles (not sure if he ever traveled w/ them) that he's had made, i'll have to watch that NPR piece closely. in the last few yrs he's used some jagaur/jazzmaster things also.... for me w/ his looping: i often wonder if it's down to what tools work or are available to him (line 6 dl4). certainly i think he used to use the EH 16ddl, but i think his broke (but nels clines' still works!). and then he moved on to the digitech pds8000, which honestly i think is a brilliant tool in his hands...which the new "jamman" versions and even the digitech dl8 is not really even close to it....which is a shame i think....i guess i'm talking more of the varispeed stuff he did during the ghost town album, or the stuff he demos on the "guitar artistry of bill frisell" (it's on the 2/5 section of the youtube clips) (which i think is just F***ING BRILLIANT!!!). i really wish someone would do an in depth interview w/ him and his looping , past and gear....but i think for him it's just a tool that he uses to create....which is probably the lesson there...oh well.... s--- re:" I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he just cares more about the playing?" --f46d044289eec9db8004b84e5232 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for posting these. i'll have to watch them later. in regards to = the below-he has played strats since the album w/ dave holland and elvin jo= nes (maybe even before that)...it's just that live during the 1st part = of the 2000s he played a tele mostly. i think recording
he favors short scale teles (not sure if he ever traveled w/ them) that he&= #39;s had made, i'll have to watch that NPR piece closely. in the last = few yrs he's used some jagaur/jazzmaster things also....

for me = w/ his looping: i often wonder if it's down to what tools work or are a= vailable to him (line 6 dl4). certainly i think he used to use the EH 16ddl= , but i think his broke (but nels clines' still works!). and then he mo= ved on to the digitech pds8000, which honestly i think is a brilliant tool = in his hands...which the new "jamman" versions and even the digit= ech dl8 is not really even close to it....which is a shame i think....i gue= ss i'm talking more of the varispeed stuff he did during the ghost town= album, or the stuff he demos on the "guitar artistry of bill frisell&= quot; (it's on the 2/5 section of the youtube clips) (which i think is = just F***ING BRILLIANT!!!).=A0 i really wish someone would do an in depth i= nterview w/ him and his looping , past and gear....but i think for him it&#= 39;s just a tool that he uses to create....which is probably the lesson the= re...oh well....
s---


re:"=A0 I'm not an expert regarding this musician&= #39;s work. Do you guys think Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he just cares more about the playing?"

--f46d044289eec9db8004b84e5232-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 16:57:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BA87183478; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=AuSliBCMNt8WAPVYGvJF1nJXzjtNkjsKIvn9n7IP8t0=; b=AOrU1wpdoJRQBfsr8rtScr6KT90ElQ0UQnBOxoZSr1zJrOuyZyJn3vMW7fp7paUto1 mksvG7zTxcvcr5y2mZncN+XZPtFUFy9SBvnTU7T37ANaAqIL9EKcclZw+lIvtIam/B2D UhsHsYfw+xuCDL0qzOUsfiGtFZaYQtOlAiGzA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 10:56:39 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba75fff474404b84e8c3f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:57:00 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba75fff474404b84e8c3f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As it turns out, this isn't the clip I thought it was, but I can still hear it. This is going clean from my mic into the bass octave pedal into the Boomerang into the interface. It sounds like a chimey ring. I will record a different example tonight. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:02 AM, andy butler wrote: > Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> Anyone have good luck getting a recording of vocals processed to sound >> like bass? Not only do I not get a great sound, I get a horrendous >> ringing/distortion: http://mikefugazzi.com/files/**Rattle_Demo.mp3 >> > > Only thing I can hear there that's commonly considered a > problem is the noise caused by blowing into the mic. > > I expect that when you're playing through your amp that > high frequency sound is filtered/distorted out to give the beatbox sound > that you want. > > If that's right (and I'm guessing a bit here) then the amp's > part of your sound, it's the amp that is changing your sound, > not the DI setup. > To make a demo maybe you need a good quality condenser mic on the amp. > ...but then it's all gonna be pretty grungy, > like the live footage. > > andy > > > > > > > --e89a8f3ba75fff474404b84e8c3f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As it turns out, this isn't the clip I thought it was, but I can still = hear it.=A0 This is going clean from my mic into the bass octave pedal into= the Boomerang into the interface.=A0 It sounds like a chimey ring.

= I will record a different example tonight.
----------
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vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
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On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:02 AM, andy bu= tler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Mike Fugazzi wrote:
Anyone have good luck getting a recording of vocals processed to sound like= bass? =A0Not only do I not get a great sound, I get a horrendous ringing/d= istortion: http://mikefugazzi.com/files/Rattle_Demo.mp3

Only thing I can hear there that's commonly considered a
problem is the noise caused by blowing into the mic.

I expect that when you're playing through your amp that
high frequency sound is filtered/distorted out to give the beatbox sound that you want.

If that's right (and I'm guessing a bit here) then the amp's part of your sound, it's the amp that is changing your sound,
not the DI setup.
To make a demo maybe you need a good quality condenser mic on the amp.
...but then it's all gonna be pretty grungy,
like the live footage.

andy







--e89a8f3ba75fff474404b84e8c3f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 17:07:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A649183478; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=uU4mF3UA8XPQ1ccAJZU07ET8x5+h7VOpY/E4cIER4lk=; b=wS/O+GTnEh3RwXRRwZXxebqfW2L12VDKDDpzDd40NbFo7SIdOfzzxT5XEmFbrSLBrK 9TZ00lc0QjnK6zrNxgwrXzMl1U7uF9AozcUTw42XhJHwkuLcpnamJn2pcXwZ5qb50UqT 1aYlJFalIJjKZ0WhHHYTrNPtgias4vc4MQgSo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:06:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f502a562b529504b84eb158 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:07:07 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f502a562b529504b84eb158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is not recorded direct. I only have laptop speakers right now, so I am not sure of the bass sound, but there should be no ringing... http://mikefugazzi.com/files/stomach.mp3 The problem for me is I'd like to record direct rather than miking my amp so I can record while the kids are asleep. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:02 AM, andy butler wrote: > Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> Anyone have good luck getting a recording of vocals processed to sound >> like bass? Not only do I not get a great sound, I get a horrendous >> ringing/distortion: http://mikefugazzi.com/files/**Rattle_Demo.mp3 >> > > Only thing I can hear there that's commonly considered a > problem is the noise caused by blowing into the mic. > > I expect that when you're playing through your amp that > high frequency sound is filtered/distorted out to give the beatbox sound > that you want. > > If that's right (and I'm guessing a bit here) then the amp's > part of your sound, it's the amp that is changing your sound, > not the DI setup. > To make a demo maybe you need a good quality condenser mic on the amp. > ...but then it's all gonna be pretty grungy, > like the live footage. > > andy > > > > > > > --e89a8f502a562b529504b84eb158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is not recorded direct.=A0 I only have laptop speakers right now, so I= am not sure of the bass sound, but there should be no ringing...http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/stomach.mp3

The problem for me is I'd like to record direct rather than miking = my amp so I can record while the kids are asleep.
-= ---------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:02 AM, andy bu= tler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Mike Fugazzi wrote:
Anyone have good luck getting a recording of vocals processed to sound like= bass? =A0Not only do I not get a great sound, I get a horrendous ringing/d= istortion: http://mikefugazzi.com/files/Rattle_Demo.mp3

Only thing I can hear there that's commonly considered a
problem is the noise caused by blowing into the mic.

I expect that when you're playing through your amp that
high frequency sound is filtered/distorted out to give the beatbox sound that you want.

If that's right (and I'm guessing a bit here) then the amp's part of your sound, it's the amp that is changing your sound,
not the DI setup.
To make a demo maybe you need a good quality condenser mic on the amp.
...but then it's all gonna be pretty grungy,
like the live footage.

andy







--e89a8f502a562b529504b84eb158-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 17:43:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7590D18347A; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=pgj2K+imumE8L3zl96ckWmB1HzHVQzDA6RQwBI7dfLQ=; b=I6akRwtYEZaE5elXC3LRoi1t2dOdH9m71w7FJ2HJj97rsqtCQAKFPgas7btyn9JCKy cAUWIu9/0qAkK4jGyMLkSEUE9mjkYAofWiliCdVdmx145XMPMGXbZquj2dB7Q4Xp977t JVqABMCCOAjvJUhfB3UgRUZCzgqvjAjvq9krE= Message-Id: <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-203190129 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 09:43:44 -0800 References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:43:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-203190129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 6, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > so I am not sure of the bass sound, but there should be no ringing...http://mikefugazzi.com/files/stomach.mp3 I don't think I understand -- you are talking about voice to bass ringing? The ring mod/metalizer sound you are getting with the harmonica sounds very nice to me. If you are trying to get more bass in your beatbox sound then maybe some EQ on the input, perhaps try different mics and there maybe some default preference in your recording program that needs to be adjusted? BobC --Apple-Mail-1-203190129 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Feb 6, 2012, = at 9:06 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote:

so I am not = sure of the bass sound, but there should be no ringing...http://mikefugazzi.com/f= iles/stomach.mp3


I don't think I understand -- you are talking about voice to bass = ringing? 
The ring mod/metalizer sound you are getting = with the harmonica sounds very nice to me.

If = you are trying to get more bass in your beatbox sound then maybe some EQ = on the input, perhaps try different mics and there maybe some default = preference in your recording program that needs to be = adjusted?

BobC
= --Apple-Mail-1-203190129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 17:49:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27F4A183478; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=TgE/4OYDIEYKzIpkL4uN2LeMgRPd3qjSGrGanUf17jQ=; b=PUuGUEyLr2XbOlWSv2RhvPs2zsm9zfmeYxXWGkAU3Xd9JLDMuwRpzXk+UidDI6oCKH oZNeM5bm5PPcbFYVLBt3tCMcheM9MzJC8clOsFX7Q0Zbl/kUEhhe6ZPKlRGZcYJt8OdQ t81kyJC4h/VnIYtvxsLyRCNCkWQIrErKpPIuw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:48:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f502a564fd3d404b84f47bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:49:05 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f502a564fd3d404b84f47bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you all of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. I thought my OP had a different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up a couple of loops. I am checking my work computer for a better example.... http://mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3 You can really hear it around the 55s mark. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Feb 6, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > > so I am not sure of the bass sound, but there should be no ringing... > http://mikefugazzi.com/files/stomach.mp3 > > > > > I don't think I understand -- you are talking about voice to bass ringing? > The ring mod/metalizer sound you are getting with the harmonica sounds > very nice to me. > > If you are trying to get more bass in your beatbox sound then maybe some > EQ on the input, perhaps try different mics and there maybe some default > preference in your recording program that needs to be adjusted? > > BobC > --e89a8f502a564fd3d404b84f47bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you a= ll of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion.=A0 I thought my OP had a d= ifferent link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up a = couple of loops.=A0 I am checking my work computer for a better example....= http://m= ikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3

You can really hear it around the 55s mark.
---= -------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM, RP Coll= ier <skeptik= alist@gmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 6, 2012, at 9:06 A= M, Mike Fugazzi wrote:

so I am not sure of the bass sound, but the= re should be no ringing...http://mikefugazzi.com/files/stomach.mp3



I don't think I understand -- you are= talking about voice to bass ringing?=A0
The ring mod/metalizer s= ound you are getting with the harmonica sounds very nice to me.

If you are trying to get more bass in your beatbox sound the= n maybe some EQ on the input, perhaps try different mics and there maybe so= me default preference in your recording program that needs to be adjusted?<= /div>

BobC

--e89a8f502a564fd3d404b84f47bd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 18:07:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13DC8183475; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 727041495/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.156/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.156 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAHEWME9YbRic/2dsb2JhbAAMN7I7AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAG4aIsuAQQCAQICCQQBDQQGAQoCAgMGAgQCAQQCAh+CdQECCQICAQMBAwQEAgYHBAIBAQoBfAIKAiGDHASabY0W X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,372,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="727041495" Message-ID: <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:07:25 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:07:41 +0000 (UTC) That sounds like you're picking up some kind of interference, or have an earthing problem. Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop at that time? I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common. ...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas your problem fades in and out.. Things to try 1) use laptop on batteries only 2) go through a "silent run" of your performance, picking things up, moving and holding them as usual while listening out for the ring. andy Mike Fugazzi wrote: > If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal > you all of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. I thought my OP > had a different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then > setting up a couple of loops. I am checking my work computer for a > better example....|http://mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3 > > You can really hear it around the 55s mark. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 19:17:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2123D183479; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=O4QaN19cZUJ/KyGRRqgV7/RxtwlVQGln/2CddCRmV48=; b=tIbDJvBOPYngSnQ25sLz3QPswdlynQdaTBkFHq7lv7CkkGgbr5eVGT8KZSkxE6NIL3 aOsay4W2Mq0zjYW4uFpAiMbNoRWIiNuAMg7uIPE+no9JpkZL5uSH2QfmrzRkwyoLMPpX k3CJ6ROQ5152QmBa/4IHzh8IUh9NFB3KS6Wb8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:16:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554da6a061d0604b8508242 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:17:05 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554da6a061d0604b8508242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I did number two, but not number one (that I am aware of). I am excited to try this out....I guess I have the computer, interface, QSC K10, Boomerang, POD HD, wireless, and outlet/power strip all within inches of each other. When I jam at home, I back away from that space with my board and mic, so that would be less likely to be the cause. I always record with the computer plugged in too, lol. Someone on another forum suggested a Low and High pass filter, so I have a couple things to try now. Thanks!!!! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote: > That sounds like you're picking up some kind of > interference, or have an earthing problem. > > Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop > at that time? > I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop > are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common. > ...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop > power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas > your problem fades in and out.. > > > Things to try > 1) use laptop on batteries only > > 2) go through a "silent run" of your performance, > picking things up, moving and holding them as usual > while listening out for the ring. > > andy > > > > > > Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you >> all of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. I thought my OP had a >> different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up a >> couple of loops. I am checking my work computer for a better example....| >> http://**mikefugazzi.com/files/**HeyJoeDistorted.mp3 >> >> You can really hear it around the 55s mark. >> > > --bcaec554da6a061d0604b8508242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did number two, but not number one (that I am aware of).=A0 I am excited = to try this out....I guess I have the computer, interface, QSC K10, Boomera= ng, POD HD, wireless, and outlet/power strip all within inches of each othe= r.

When I jam at home, I back away from that space with my board and mic, = so that would be less likely to be the cause.=A0 I always record with the c= omputer plugged in too, lol.

Someone on another forum suggested a Lo= w and High pass filter, so I have a couple things to try now.=A0 Thanks!!!!=

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vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.co= m
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On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy bu= tler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
That sounds like you're picking up some kind of
interference, or have an earthing problem.

Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop
at that time?
I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop
are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common.
...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop
power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas
your problem fades in and out..


Things to try
1) use laptop on batteries only

2) go through a "silent run" of your performance,
picking things up, moving =A0and holding them as usual
while listening out for the ring.

andy





Mike Fugazzi wrote:
If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you a= ll of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. =A0I thought my OP had a d= ifferent link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up a = couple of loops. =A0I am checking my work computer for a better example....= |http://mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3

You can really hear it around the 55s mark.


--bcaec554da6a061d0604b8508242-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 20:40:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F212A183479; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aCGgK0zcpiKdiSQ3gs6rNGmjYY/3ymSAhbRZpPNyd+T3H7//DJ6wjqgag9MIuSQu; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <15960701.1328560827908.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:40:27 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4820251d5f1a693c2380f524446333327a2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:40:28 +0000 (UTC) >concur< -----Original Message----- >From: William Walker >Sent: Feb 5, 2012 10:17 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping > >well I gotta say I'm a guy who likes Bill Frissell, When I spent a >semester at Jerklee Spoilage of Fuzak , i mean Berklee College of >Music, i got to see him in a band called Tiger's Baku and he was then >as he is now, a laid back impressionist painter of a guitar player, >and this was in 1978-79. don't get me wrong he did cut loose at times >but never to the point of excessive widdly widdly. The band was >playing inventive Miles inspired jazz rock with Tiger Oshi playing >great trumpet. I picked up a technique from BF that night that i still >use to this day, he was real testing the neck of his SG by flexing the >it to create beautiful vibrato effects on his chords and single note >lines. Does he thrill me on an emotional level like Jeff Beck, or >Hendrix or Terje Rypdal can? no, but I like his inventiveness, take >those Beatles covers for example, I appreciate how much space he used >in an age when fingerstyle virtuosos routinely butcher the Beatles >with over indulgent hyper arrangements. I've seen him play now and >then over the years, and what i like about him is he isn't in a hurry >to crowd the music with extra ideas, he listens and interacts well in >a group context and never ever have i seen him play from a place of >chops ego. That is refreshing particularly in the field of jazz which >is rife with technique worship :-). He'd probably tell you its because >he has no chops but its more about intent and space with him. he >seems really comfortable in his skin which i admire. He doesn't quite >move toward the uber visceral territory like David Torn does, but >this NPR thing is but a tip of his iceberg. So i would encourage you >to check him out further , i've seen him when the music was >transcendent and when it was a bit sleep inducing. He is really >unpredictable and does take chances musically, but at the same time if >you aren't in to jazz he may not move you. I've met him and he is a >nice guy , shy and droll, introspective , like his music. >Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 20:49:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67308183479; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HUhP19NiqrCbpI6L3l2WQ/WVmXidv3Ei9/BWorlW3wM=; b=qtS4Xs6yXZ8qVdtGWia3iVk5/B4mtWwalLkED61eonCbd9xp31oApXsR2V2+5c+hHr ddOU2BlT+EHVawPlf5tFx4Ks9Hflmv5HpSDJPcD2Uol09DgqGY+rG310zZbwo3bUozu2 bIYciqbCEVkLbBfOPwZS3bXWRLnIkLdNPk3uc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:49:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Rick -> how come? I have been enormously checkin out Brian Blade in past months :-D Black Dub and his jazz work - exceptional player - a breeze from the good old times :-D 2012/2/6 Scott Hansen : > thanks for posting these. i'll have to watch them later. in regards to th= e > below-he has played strats since the album w/ dave holland and elvin jone= s > (maybe even before that)...it's just that live during the 1st part of the > 2000s he played a tele mostly. i think recording > he favors short scale teles (not sure if he ever traveled w/ them) that h= e's > had made, i'll have to watch that NPR piece closely. in the last few yrs > he's used some jagaur/jazzmaster things also.... > > for me w/ his looping: i often wonder if it's down to what tools work or = are > available to him (line 6 dl4). certainly i think he used to use the EH > 16ddl, but i think his broke (but nels clines' still works!). and then he > moved on to the digitech pds8000, which honestly i think is a brilliant t= ool > in his hands...which the new "jamman" versions and even the digitech dl8 = is > not really even close to it....which is a shame i think....i guess i'm > talking more of the varispeed stuff he did during the ghost town album, o= r > the stuff he demos on the "guitar artistry of bill frisell" (it's on the = 2/5 > section of the youtube clips) (which i think is just F***ING BRILLIANT!!!= ). > i really wish someone would do an in depth interview w/ him and his loopi= ng > , past and gear....but i think for him it's just a tool that he uses to > create....which is probably the lesson there...oh well.... > s--- > > > re:"=A0 I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys thi= nk > Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he ju= st > cares more about the playing?" > > --=20 Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 20:49:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36093183479; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3604 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:49:44 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:49:11 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T, Dave Bryant, Tim Mungenast and his Merry Men 02.11.12 Outpost 186 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 on Saturday at 8 PM. -- I'll be doing video improvisations with Dave Bryant -- Solo Keyboard and Tim Mungenast and his Merry Men Tim Mungenast -- Guitar and FX Michael Bloom (ex Cul de Sac) -- Bass and other strings, Jon Proudman (also ex Cul de Sac) -- drums with Special guest -- Dave Bryant (ex Ornette Coleman), Keyboards My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources with a video mixer and effects processor. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. with a piece from the Spring Series at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxBtaJajCkU Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 21:36:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BB3F183478; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 532039.29914.bm@omp1040.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328564202; bh=bvSUarTEMCw/XnEZvRshUlrfFq7qjix9KhHZOWaSj5A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rxS0h1ccDqegjmT/cblhgjVzcOajkz15bKCMkqouRAdGp2z4a/as8bhNX7KODyF4l0TRAifjZeLI+/VCJ3SXb6ucH6xzHGskq7gshGiuvq5C/dzxa3hEkJjSLKUvE1ZIFIpX2l/VqkbuO+8HPSxqqCtk7BF6D8eWn4FDYIUfV+E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1pcIX9UVkEegO51+dYcC8bbemgxzYgqVI5BTj58iKZ7EomTNfB/KzpznJMDKz4am/ex/dTvg/N2ECWX/Fp8KIyBMrdjsxLzTfBuvsn349lgvW1sp6lGq5dgC5chXn6+O7fLl5fZ/0WiRPP+LMs0FVembr3Q1Ek1DTc2kn0zcKHk=; X-YMail-OSG: WqwTI6EVM1lesbv5PaFQjXJ1VKxb90cXuGWpwJLIp8s9PJ_ YejkVSqLMBnRHz6RGoei20nXtfhBXlpuvU.kgzbInuLV_VLIaI.2PhzKRRTi YmDUgqOiFfDzX2xk8PlDy.9Sfz7vpUvLGLlLivWQ2GlS2A4nbLtEWWxj2KhL 1n08BqfebsC665bX6IuXq.TdkH26iojiBTYQE8w7GRVGazXrz_gLxH31SCEX X8qdncSgxPnTyKL5e.ano0a9Bg6WpjdVhOHkxE5nWOAeIuR0C11hdVv3FBEr 8kUIM_vuN6xsmtcALm4X59iApMRa1ptjwA9h15Cc0K69TV9WlWjp90k3nzDD ZWcjl82jAQlXKXUBfuYbagrR0xR7m1Gf9JY0s20g_YSLyFRJdbICMkhOytnd aAf_GhGg6UCxgBlfaQPaB5NaBH6gofPfMTpAJUpGrJdgwYXKH5U5TuwGRNuO 4uQlNl0O0G9sdN3QH9GkJsivxI5h4GXk.2PAAm.kQt_2Q93_BRYB5KITnGfB KYhLVCr7tBY0_AvPIHGX4IWaPrG7b1TdIXW3dCnXci7sS.c16DuFNTofPEw3 i82LIXrdkxQ9CAEbJes29.S7dESD0x9pduaL.X4z3SskA X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1328564201.14352.YahooMailNeo@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:36:41 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2002498609-1100589487-1328564201=:14352" Resent-Message-ID: <60OGOB.A.A_E.sfEMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:36:44 +0000 (UTC) ---2002498609-1100589487-1328564201=:14352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too think a low or bandpass filter before the octave box will give it les= s overtones with which it can become confused. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Mike Fugazzi =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, F= ebruary 6, 2012 11:16 AM=0ASubject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through b= ass octave effect=0A=0A=0AI did number two, but not number one (that I am a= ware of).=A0 I am excited to try this out....I guess I have the computer, i= nterface, QSC K10, Boomerang, POD HD, wireless, and outlet/power strip all = within inches of each other.=0A=0AWhen I jam at home, I back away from that= space with my board and mic, so that would be less likely to be the cause.= =A0 I always record with the computer plugged in too, lol.=0A=0ASomeone on = another forum suggested a Low and High pass filter, so I have a couple thin= gs to try now.=A0 Thanks!!!!=0A=0A----------=0AMike Fugazzi=0Avocals/harmon= ica=0Ahttp://www.mikefugazzi.com=0AFacebook=0AYouTube=0AQuicksilver Custom = Harmonicas =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote:=0A=0AThat sounds like you're picking up some ki= nd of=0A>interference, or have an earthing problem.=0A>=0A>Could it be that= the mic is getting close to the laptop=0A>at that time? =0A>I'd guess that= all those digital electronics in the laptop=0A>are causing that noise to s= tart with, that's quite common.=0A>...but normally it's due to the earthing= in the laptop=0A>power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas=0A>= your problem fades in and out..=0A>=0A>=0A>Things to try=0A>1) use laptop o= n batteries only=0A>=0A>2) go through a "silent run" of your performance,= =0A>picking things up, moving =A0and holding them as usual=0A>while listeni= ng out for the ring.=0A>=0A>andy=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Mike Fugazzi wrote:= =0A>=0A>If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave ped= al you all of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. =A0I thought my OP= had a different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setti= ng up a couple of loops. =A0I am checking my work computer for a better exa= mple....|http://mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3=0A>>=0A>>You can = really hear it around the 55s mark.=0A>>=0A> ---2002498609-1100589487-1328564201=:14352 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too think a low or bandpass filter before the octave box will give it les= s overtones with which it can become confused.=0D
Rig
From: Mike Fugazzi= <mikefugazzi@gmail.com>
To= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 11:16 AM
= Subject: Re: Troubles recordi= ng vocals through bass octave effect

=0A
I did number two, but not number one (that I am aware of).=A0 I= am excited to try this out....I guess I have the computer, interface, QSC = K10, Boomerang, POD HD, wireless, and outlet/power strip all within inches = of each other.
=0A=0A
When I jam at home, I back away from that space= with my board and mic, so that would be less likely to be the cause.=A0 I = always record with the computer plugged in too, lol.

Someone on anot= her forum suggested a Low and High pass filter, so I have a couple things t= o try now.=A0 Thanks!!!!
=0A=0A
----------
Mike Fuga= zzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Faceb= ook
=0A=0AYouTube
Quicksil= ver Custom Harmonicas

=0A

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy butler &l= t;akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>= ; wrote:
=0A=0AThat = sounds like you're picking up some kind of
=0Ainterference, or have = an earthing problem.
=0A
=0ACould it be that the mic is getting close= to the laptop
=0Aat that time?
=0AI'd guess that all those digi= tal electronics in the laptop
=0Aare causing that noise to start with, t= hat's quite common.
=0A...but normally it's due to the earthing = in the laptop
=0Apower supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas=0Ayour problem fades in and out..
=0A
=0A
=0AThings to try
= =0A1) use laptop on batteries only
=0A
=0A2) go through a "silen= t run" of your performance,
=0Apicking things up, moving =A0and hol= ding them as usual
=0Awhile listening out for the ring.
=0A
=0Aand= y
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AMike Fugazzi wrote:
=0A=0AIf you try to listen for where I = sing a bassline into an octave pedal you all of a sudden hear a weird high = end distortion. =A0I thought my OP had a different link as it is me just pl= aying acoustic harp and then setting up a couple of loops. =A0I am checking= my work computer for a better example....|http://<= /u>mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3
=0A=0A=0A
=0A= You can really hear it around the 55s mark.
=0A
=0A
=0A

=0A


---2002498609-1100589487-1328564201=:14352-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 23:13:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84A41183473; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 23:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_416996cc-88d0-41e8-89d3-d704aa3922b6_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: oVERTONES wASHING uP oN a sONIC sHORE (music, noise...) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 23:13:02 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2012 23:13:02.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[E01CD0F0:01CCE524] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 23:13:04 +0000 (UTC) --_416996cc-88d0-41e8-89d3-d704aa3922b6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More soundcloudish granular stuff.. or ambient or experimental.. or mental.= . Again one take no overdubs.. no canned sampels=2C all live sampling and re = sampling=2C.... loopingnew guitar a Steinberger Synapse transcale that i pl= an to use as a travel guitar.. and a V-stack weedy into Elektron Octatrack = that loops=2C samples and warps the guitar.... And puts out sounds that all= came from guitar.. but sounds like something else=20 ...this is the last five minutes of a longer take http://soundcloud.com/...rtones-washing-up-on-a Set up a lot of rate change and made sure that slowing down rate on a sampl= e does not affect pitch.. rate is often mapped to scenes so i play the cros= sfader on the Octatrack to get granular soundclouds that i like... from the= live sampled stuff... Getting to weird?? No problem I will get weirder.. = --_416996cc-88d0-41e8-89d3-d704aa3922b6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
More soundcloudish granular stuff.. or ambient or experimental.. or me= ntal..

Again one take no overdubs.. no canned samp= els=2C all live sampling and re sampling=2C.... looping
new guita= r a Steinberger Synapse transcale that i plan to use as a travel guitar.. a= nd a V-stack weedy into Elektron Octatrack that loops=2C samples and warps = the guitar.... =3B
And puts out sounds that all came from gui= tar.. but sounds like something else =3B

...th= is is the last five minutes of a longer take

http:= //soundcloud.com/...rtones-washing-up-on-a

Set up = a lot of rate change and made sure that slowing down rate on a sample does = not affect pitch.. =3B
rate is often mapped to scenes so i pl= ay the crossfader on the Octatrack to get granular soundclouds that i like.= .. from the live sampled stuff...

Getting to weird= ?? No problem I will get =3Bweirder..
= --_416996cc-88d0-41e8-89d3-d704aa3922b6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 01:03:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0229183475; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 01:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5Vg2AebtBUB0zLgb2o0vGUAcvKRoJiz7XGLoK9Ps5tI=; b=bJNix5E3YoHLUspW2NydjSfX/Bs6USsAhggxGba2yOLGR6Bm9NA5Y0KC5wMCXomvJ1 GnhF0Nlzi1EHuEi4w1iVZhx7xO2cXViQ104Nm8OhnP/nMOsFtGNkftJAjIeSEb4wPzEy uzae3bdA15Lg2Uh9XLtN4rsBQHmShiQkbdg7Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 02:03:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: telePort Tutorials... From: Lasse juul Kolding To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 01:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys, I've uploaded the first line of tutorials on how to use telePort to youtube. For anyone interested there's an overview on the frontpage of www.juvul.com Cheers! Lasse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 01:23:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B27B4183479; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 01:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-06_05:2012-02-06,2012-02-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202060283 References: In-reply-to: Message-id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: telePort Tutorials... Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:23:27 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <61OyaC.A.ycH.Y0HMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 01:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Looks great but what is it? Can you provide a brief explanation of what the software does for newbies on the web page? Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Feb 6, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Lasse juul Kolding wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've uploaded the first line of tutorials on how to use telePort to youtube. > For anyone interested there's an overview on the frontpage of www.juvul.com > > Cheers! > Lasse > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 02:06:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B1C5183474; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 02:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p+0JBTA5cpLKAF5eVQouwnPsa+qiwqzzM8VdnbTzU54=; b=dl5sv7c/SdfZEnNQ0LQTZUA1k5EkXKc6jE4by7lXFw8YN2q+Qlzf4jSc7POJ3bt2TX lmHc3GfYkZWOxkQ1snXvltuPJGIZ4a9lK2mqRiYubd426BF+OtJRqUSuBHMCv4upwyGB pOozmcDa/dW+KiDL5BFRN38rP8pSsGOA+kQoA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 03:05:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: telePort Tutorials... From: Lasse juul Kolding To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 02:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Hey Teddy... did you see the video (telePort - An Introduction) that's in the news post just below the video links? If you click on the "Software" tab, there's also a very very brief text description... still working on formulating that better for people just stopping by. But the video says a lot... On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > Looks great but what is it? Can you provide a brief explanation of what t= he software does for =A0newbies on the web page? > > Teddy Kumpel > http://teddyjam.com > > On Feb 6, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Lasse juul Kolding wrote= : > >> Hey guys, >> >> I've uploaded the first line of tutorials on how to use telePort to yout= ube. >> For anyone interested there's an overview on the frontpage of www.juvul.= com >> >> Cheers! >> Lasse >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 03:34:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B4D7183478; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 03:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=uiCF6hqTxBiJgAunB0ZxQ/YmAQ3oXheOV91qgcxYlEE=; b=UTJcaD2VehpcuL4ynG6eB5NkVKiWbSeiVNzl+zIjAplOhMstkewDpzOELdNt4Xmk/T N09xprHh/qK+QrUzp2J/oPlLGK9XVHCuBJdIh2z0mMhwbb0S9uHVvULSBbG1Xa//hP9d gaMhx5PyBjiuuRv3nFOkl942F36xcYpBEKOTQ= Subject: Podcast From: Jim Goodin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) Message-Id: <666F5046-9A9D-4DD8-9BDC-EDB3157768AD@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:34:20 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 03:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Folks I wanted to mention a podcast I have recently been part of producing a= nd publishing. The series slated to feature composers working in experiment= al music focused for this episode on the work of Peter Thoegersen. Peter wo= rks in micro tonal and poly tempic music largely as a drummer. He is in a d= octoral program in composition at the Univ of Illinois. I mention I here no= t so much for looping but he creatively makes use of MAX in one of the piece= s we chose to feature. The cast runs an hour and 18 min and is on SoundCloud at http://soundcloud.c= om/jimgoodinpaulmuller/jim-goodin-paul-muller-podcast The show is produced every few months by Paul Muller and myself. We are pla= nning to be on a more regular production schedule in 2012. Paul and I met t= hrough ImprovFriday. Thanks for checking this out. Jim Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 03:35:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7B91183486; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 03:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=G0uMEs7xVj9lmm+NlK7zH16ER+lF4WQRn80ryt/WoJc=; b=JEPiH+CL7ikz/UWIXhPpsWE8Y9hJDFhYI0VuvWSWMBiFGT+6wacYk8+lVZu6KvSPP9 YkFw+HngBkUFC0R7as/xQqfruQYI26AGw5MQQ6vVjUtR6O7OBrdTFRKzXe+K4q5H0+mA HLexsGprXVYp2EyWnyFyzTb8p70EgFORQVEq8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:35:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: bill frisell looping (beatles & demoing his gear) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444040a67b18604b85779aa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 03:35:46 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444040a67b18604b85779aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok , bf playing the beatles things are cool. i'm curious about the album. is it odd that i find it more interesting watching him "demo" his gear on the fretboard journal thing/interview. he just seems "looser" to me. in case no one saw it, below the fretboard journal vid, they posted his gear for that session, it said: Effects pedals heard in this video: Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2 Boss TU-2 Ibanez TS-9 Tube Screamer (stock) TC Electronics Hall of Fame Electro-Harmonix Freeze Line 6 DL4 Wright Sounds Fuzz Stang Shown, but not used in the video: Electro-Harmonix Micro POG Way Huge Electronics Ring Worm Aguilar Audiolex Z.Vex Ringtone Frisell's custom Jazzmaster was built by J.W. Black, with custom art by Terry Turrell. The amp is a vintage Gibson GA-18. thanks for posting those. they were fun to watch. s---- --f46d0444040a67b18604b85779aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ok , bf playing the beatles things are cool. i'm curious about the= album.
is it odd that i find it more interesting watching him &q= uot;demo" his gear on the fretboard journal thing/interview.
he just seems "looser" to me.
in case no one saw it, be= low the fretboard journal vid, they posted his gear for that session, it sa= id:
=A0
Effects pedals heard in this video:
Voodoo = Lab Pedal Power 2
Boss TU-2
Ibanez TS-9 Tube Screamer (stock)
TC Electronics Hall of = Fame
Electro-Harmonix Freeze
Line 6 DL4
Wright Sounds Fuzz Stang
Shown, but not used in the video:
Electro-Harmonix Micro POG
Way Huge Electronics Ring Worm
Aguilar Audiolex
Z.Vex Ringtone
Frisell's custom Jazzmaster was built by J.W. Black, with custom art b= y Terry Turrell. The amp is a vintage Gibson GA-18.
=A0
thanks for posting those. they were fun to watch.
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--f46d0444040a67b18604b85779aa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 10:01:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CFF3183475; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2jogV5xBPAZjM2qbXPExTrBZw+MtKQJOrQq5uC/erpE=; b=uQwKrq8iz9+LY685NymeD4Imn6lQZ88qnGYUHqP8rFsW8SJlmjyGQqUZyavWh8ZiGU L/nB1aCknjlvYQc+OXJlDe0HO7u3x0GeJ2yef5SsVF0jRGdfwn2ihI/l8f3UFUW7423C te2PnXvWx4ax1fTOCRypk0D8FtOP3E3BuyAxA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <666F5046-9A9D-4DD8-9BDC-EDB3157768AD@gmail.com> References: <666F5046-9A9D-4DD8-9BDC-EDB3157768AD@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:01:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Podcast From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <86lRwB.A.qmD.5ZPMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Great concept and you're having a very interesting discussion in there! If you keep this up, will you put it out also through the usual podcast channels? Asking because I mainly use my iPhone for podcast subscriptions. When doing a search in Downcast (the app I use) on your name this new podcast doesn't come up while both the Improv Friday and Mim Goodin on alonetone.com does. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Jim Goodin wrote= : > Folks I wanted to mention a podcast I have recently been part of producin= g and publishing. =C2=A0The series slated to feature composers working in e= xperimental music focused for this episode on the work of Peter Thoegersen.= =C2=A0Peter works in micro tonal and poly tempic music largely as a drumme= r. =C2=A0He is in a doctoral program in composition at the Univ of Illinois= . =C2=A0I mention I here not so much for looping but he creatively makes us= e of MAX in one of the pieces we chose to feature. > > The cast runs an hour and 18 min and is on SoundCloud at http://soundclou= d.com/jimgoodinpaulmuller/jim-goodin-paul-muller-podcast > > The show is produced every few months by Paul Muller and myself. =C2=A0We= are planning to be on a more regular production schedule in 2012. =C2=A0Pa= ul and I met through ImprovFriday. > > Thanks for checking this out. > > > Jim > > > > > Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/a= pp/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 10:46:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2427E183477; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9X/4BkpNpLgIEy09tM4E3Ga3M2HJZHYDPEkmCBSFPXA=; b=sQwQ1TCGq9hxkZzWMv8wGlvxIrd9utiGXrYfbEfPpXAKCb8j9bX1y2ANxCKjpCmM8s po9/bKT6//9PTcbcOZ68q5qlUOoLj6CVdUDqaP1zRIevMORS18Ynxkh/R1M5DUZgxcEG 3VSVSRhIiB/iNHctrKYWbZ10ukkrUgOLzo5oY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:46:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: oVERTONES wASHING uP oN a sONIC sHORE (music, noise...) From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Oops, looks like we can't find that page! 2012/2/7 Anders Bergdahl : > More soundcloudish granular stuff.. or ambient or experimental.. or menta= l.. > > Again one take no overdubs.. no canned sampels, all live sampling and re > sampling,.... looping > new guitar a Steinberger Synapse transcale that i plan to use as a travel > guitar.. and a V-stack weedy into Elektron Octatrack that loops, samples = and > warps the guitar.... > And puts out sounds that all came from guitar.. but sounds like something > else > > ...this is the last five minutes of a longer take > > http://soundcloud.com/...rtones-washing-up-on-a > > Set up a lot of rate change and made sure that slowing down rate on a sam= ple > does not affect pitch.. > rate is often mapped to scenes so i play the crossfader on the Octatrack = to > get granular soundclouds that i like... from the live sampled stuff... > > Getting to weird?? No problem I will get=A0weirder.. --=20 Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 12:07:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A690183474; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:07:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cd440745-d502-4405-9d4e-ced5dd804ec5_" X-Originating-IP: [83.145.33.34] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: oVERTONES wASHING uP oN a sONIC sHORE (now with working link...= Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:07:26 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2012 12:07:27.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F387A80:01CCE591] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:07:29 +0000 (UTC) --_cd440745-d502-4405-9d4e-ced5dd804ec5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/overtones-washing-up-on-a=20 Thanks Petri :-) > Date: Tue=2C 7 Feb 2012 12:46:03 +0200 > Subject: Re: oVERTONES wASHING uP oN a sONIC sHORE (music=2C noise...) > From: kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Oops=2C looks like we can't find that page! >=20 > 2012/2/7 Anders Bergdahl : > > More soundcloudish granular stuff.. or ambient or experimental.. or men= tal.. > > > > Again one take no overdubs.. no canned sampels=2C all live sampling and= re > > sampling=2C.... looping > > new guitar a Steinberger Synapse transcale that i plan to use as a trav= el > > guitar.. and a V-stack weedy into Elektron Octatrack that loops=2C samp= les and > > warps the guitar.... > > And puts out sounds that all came from guitar.. but sounds like somethi= ng > > else > > > > ...this is the last five minutes of a longer take > > > > http://soundcloud.com/...rtones-washing-up-on-a > > > > Set up a lot of rate change and made sure that slowing down rate on a s= ample > > does not affect pitch.. > > rate is often mapped to scenes so i play the crossfader on the Octatrac= k to > > get granular soundclouds that i like... from the live sampled stuff... > > > > Getting to weird?? 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= --_cd440745-d502-4405-9d4e-ced5dd804ec5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 17:36:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9301318347A; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=FIrOlIVJsRzG4IrjUFO28K7RdUQAcpBp2Pr+iTfaRUA=; b=g9TbNmnr3ND56IE/3MeotT598ZX4XrxVoo7b/ZSYxJvrkoOEIbK/hchgTTPJyzTXhd /1KY/4zk1VNawoPs+QJ0JcxaaVHB0GO4UmUZHCYE48af42CtmOffMMcpsCnVnb9Qau+Q f40tLrFkA5Zdajc8DZdM8Bel5EhXDKANNfxjo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:36:18 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8116a1260d04b863387a Resent-Message-ID: <9Tj5aC.A.9-H.nEWMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:36:39 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8116a1260d04b863387a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off the laptop battery...same noise problem. I didn't notice anything being less annoying. The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 and Boomerang III. The power supplies are on a power strip underneath the board. There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer. I then tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck. I am not savvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP. Me thinks it is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference from inside the computer. My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines uneffected panned hard to one side. I can then add the octave down effect in post production and pan everything center. I hope. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote: > That sounds like you're picking up some kind of > interference, or have an earthing problem. > > Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop > at that time? > I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop > are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common. > ...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop > power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas > your problem fades in and out.. > > > Things to try > 1) use laptop on batteries only > > 2) go through a "silent run" of your performance, > picking things up, moving and holding them as usual > while listening out for the ring. > > andy > > > > > > Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you >> all of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. I thought my OP had a >> different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up a >> couple of loops. I am checking my work computer for a better example....| >> http://**mikefugazzi.com/files/**HeyJoeDistorted.mp3 >> >> You can really hear it around the 55s mark. >> > > --90e6ba6e8116a1260d04b863387a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off th= e laptop battery...same noise problem.=A0 I didn't notice anything bein= g less annoying.=A0 The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 and Boo= merang III.=A0 The power supplies are on a power strip underneath the board= .

There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer.

I th= en tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck.=A0 I am not sa= vvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP.=A0 Me thinks it = is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference from insi= de the computer.

My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines unef= fected panned hard to one side.=A0 I can then add the octave down effect in= post production and pan everything center.=A0 I hope.
---= -------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy bu= tler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
That sounds like you're picking up some kind of
interference, or have an earthing problem.

Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop
at that time?
I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop
are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common.
...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop
power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas
your problem fades in and out..


Things to try
1) use laptop on batteries only

2) go through a "silent run" of your performance,
picking things up, moving =A0and holding them as usual
while listening out for the ring.

andy





Mike Fugazzi wrote:
If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you a= ll of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. =A0I thought my OP had a d= ifferent link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up a = couple of loops. =A0I am checking my work computer for a better example....= |http://mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3

You can really hear it around the 55s mark.


--90e6ba6e8116a1260d04b863387a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 18:03:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BF2018347A; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=AEuhSQc+MUKK+G3NfQRiD5sAG80g46jspc7L3cL3zYg=; b=fBNjJxLkE5TAkdXyw8yv8d6lDVAgpQuBv/5eDc1PwX38hvXIxGPyx1nN97xPO9t+b9 wE9BafDLuyDGgQdqaiiv7axTFxLTW6PUYpfdc3ZxlnFSQp8aHOz6E83kJl57CSAJ7hGO 5yxX/2IqqbpCnkLBxz6TiYYHDswO8M+hn+bG8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sannedewaard@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> From: Sanne de Waard Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:02:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pN0gmeg5v0EFJh5QcaHXjXNqi0Q Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd8e491db9f404b8639739 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:03:04 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dd8e491db9f404b8639739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) Good luck, Sanne On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off > the laptop battery...same noise problem. I didn't notice anything being > less annoying. The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 and > Boomerang III. The power supplies are on a power strip underneath the > board. > > There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer. > > I then tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck. I am not > savvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP. Me thinks it > is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference from > inside the computer. > > My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines > uneffected panned hard to one side. I can then add the octave down effect > in post production and pan everything center. I hope. > > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote: > >> That sounds like you're picking up some kind of >> interference, or have an earthing problem. >> >> Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop >> at that time? >> I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop >> are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common. >> ...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop >> power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas >> your problem fades in and out.. >> >> >> Things to try >> 1) use laptop on batteries only >> >> 2) go through a "silent run" of your performance, >> picking things up, moving and holding them as usual >> while listening out for the ring. >> >> andy >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >>> If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal >>> you all of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. I thought my OP had >>> a different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up >>> a couple of loops. I am checking my work computer for a better example....| >>> http://**mikefugazzi.com/files/**HeyJoeDistorted.mp3 >>> >>> You can really hear it around the 55s mark. >>> >> >> > --0016e6dd8e491db9f404b8639739 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= font color=3D"#003300">Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical pr= oblem, but I do have a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice= and vocal percussion. Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a = subharmonic synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than an= guitar octaver.

Software:=C2=A0htt= p://mda.smartelectronix.com/=C2=A0(MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne=C2=A0


On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mike Fug= azzi <mikefug= azzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off th= e laptop battery...same noise problem.=C2=A0 I didn't notice anything b= eing less annoying.=C2=A0 The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 a= nd Boomerang III.=C2=A0 The power supplies are on a power strip underneath = the board.

There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer.

I th= en tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck.=C2=A0 I am not= savvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP.=C2=A0 Me thin= ks it is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference fro= m inside the computer.

My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines unef= fected panned hard to one side.=C2=A0 I can then add the octave down effect= in post production and pan everything center.=C2=A0 I hope.

----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Mon, Feb 6, 2= 012 at 12:07 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> w= rote:
That sounds like you're picking up some kind of
interference, or have an earthing problem.

Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop
at that time?
I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop
are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common.
...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop
power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas
your problem fades in and out..


Things to try
1) use laptop on batteries only

2) go through a "silent run" of your performance,
picking things up, moving =C2=A0and holding them as usual
while listening out for the ring.

andy





Mike Fugazzi wrote:
If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you a= ll of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. =C2=A0I thought my OP had = a different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up= a couple of loops. =C2=A0I am checking my work computer for a better examp= le....|http://mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3<= /a>

You can really hear it around the 55s mark.



--0016e6dd8e491db9f404b8639739-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 18:10:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9AD18347A; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=277WcdHGd7MyZPKibGvMddtjb62wqxWNSGjeBI8+oFA=; b=oPTCWINZqWm+L5EcDJeU92Ba0SFXm3R/BOQYZFqxgatWyLOyw8kVlEzAIFZh0/wNSp LYzesQlB3VEtm06m8C0IWTuvGYSd4kxOnqALR5wODMuzFOP8pTCEL4SQO8S1CaVPbGwd uZ1a4t5m29VosNcQDCKNYOw5pKR9TkbQIE6go= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:10:17 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e81162b533704b863b233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:10:38 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e81162b533704b863b233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Score! I would love something like this...any chance you know of something in stompbox form? I don't use a rack for anything. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > Hi, > > I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lot > of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of > using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results > actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. > > Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ > Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA > Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) > > Good luck, > Sanne > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off >> the laptop battery...same noise problem. I didn't notice anything being >> less annoying. The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 and >> Boomerang III. The power supplies are on a power strip underneath the >> board. >> >> There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer. >> >> I then tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck. I am >> not savvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP. Me thinks >> it is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference from >> inside the computer. >> >> My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines >> uneffected panned hard to one side. I can then add the octave down effect >> in post production and pan everything center. I hope. >> >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote: >> >>> That sounds like you're picking up some kind of >>> interference, or have an earthing problem. >>> >>> Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop >>> at that time? >>> I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop >>> are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common. >>> ...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop >>> power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas >>> your problem fades in and out.. >>> >>> >>> Things to try >>> 1) use laptop on batteries only >>> >>> 2) go through a "silent run" of your performance, >>> picking things up, moving and holding them as usual >>> while listening out for the ring. >>> >>> andy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>>> If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal >>>> you all of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. I thought my OP had >>>> a different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up >>>> a couple of loops. I am checking my work computer for a better example....| >>>> http://**mikefugazzi.com/files/**HeyJoeDistorted.mp3 >>>> >>>> You can really hear it around the 55s mark. >>>> >>> >>> >> > --90e6ba6e81162b533704b863b233 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Score!=A0 I would love something like this...any chance you know of somethi= ng in stompbox form?=A0 I don't use a rack for anything.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Sanne d= e Waard <sanne@waard= .de> wrote:
<= font color=3D"#003300">Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical pr= oblem, but I do have a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice= and vocal percussion. Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a = subharmonic synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than an= guitar octaver.

Hardware:=A0http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Sof= tware:=A0http://mda.smartelectronix.com/=A0(MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne=A0


On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mike Fug= azzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off th= e laptop battery...same noise problem.=A0 I didn't notice anything bein= g less annoying.=A0 The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 and Boo= merang III.=A0 The power supplies are on a power strip underneath the board= .

There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer.

I th= en tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck.=A0 I am not sa= vvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP.=A0 Me thinks it = is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference from insi= de the computer.

My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines unef= fected panned hard to one side.=A0 I can then add the octave down effect in= post production and pan everything center.=A0 I hope.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 = PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
That sounds like you're picking up some kind of
interference, or have an earthing problem.

Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop
at that time?
I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop
are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common.
...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop
power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas
your problem fades in and out..


Things to try
1) use laptop on batteries only

2) go through a "silent run" of your performance,
picking things up, moving =A0and holding them as usual
while listening out for the ring.

andy





Mike Fugazzi wrote:
If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you a= ll of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. =A0I thought my OP had a d= ifferent link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up a = couple of loops. =A0I am checking my work computer for a better example....= |http://mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3

You can really hear it around the 55s mark.




--90e6ba6e81162b533704b863b233-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 18:12:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B9BD18347A; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=tCT7obmj9XAAKgQyDAOdjxkeu6K1zDlzw987L5X7ir0=; b=lCTXKr6HvGQ3Ti0ix4JZ8vzZFTO43fnHiRif1jmOPs42xV6A61gEGJ5zCTDo0RtOTP 8nFE1Tphk/StfvkMAfuMgd9FpPKObbiq+tsG/J8Ekm17HqaaAPQF1NEaGxZQ3yNkjJpL qIwmDoofcQcWc4IIoQd8PrvAYd8VTvuivMw9c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:11:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f502a5612220004b863b857 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:12:17 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f502a5612220004b863b857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I wonder if any of the synths on the POD HD would work too? At least I have something to experiment with tonight! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > Hi, > > I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lot > of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of > using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results > actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. > > Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ > Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA > Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) > > Good luck, > Sanne > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off >> the laptop battery...same noise problem. I didn't notice anything being >> less annoying. The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 and >> Boomerang III. The power supplies are on a power strip underneath the >> board. >> >> There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer. >> >> I then tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck. I am >> not savvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP. Me thinks >> it is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference from >> inside the computer. >> >> My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines >> uneffected panned hard to one side. I can then add the octave down effect >> in post production and pan everything center. I hope. >> >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote: >> >>> That sounds like you're picking up some kind of >>> interference, or have an earthing problem. >>> >>> Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop >>> at that time? >>> I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop >>> are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common. >>> ...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop >>> power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas >>> your problem fades in and out.. >>> >>> >>> Things to try >>> 1) use laptop on batteries only >>> >>> 2) go through a "silent run" of your performance, >>> picking things up, moving and holding them as usual >>> while listening out for the ring. >>> >>> andy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>>> If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal >>>> you all of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. I thought my OP had >>>> a different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up >>>> a couple of loops. I am checking my work computer for a better example....| >>>> http://**mikefugazzi.com/files/**HeyJoeDistorted.mp3 >>>> >>>> You can really hear it around the 55s mark. >>>> >>> >>> >> > --e89a8f502a5612220004b863b857 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder if any of the synths on the POD HD would work too?=A0 At least I h= ave something to experiment with tonight!
----------
Mi= ke Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Sanne d= e Waard <sanne@waard= .de> wrote:
<= font color=3D"#003300">Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical pr= oblem, but I do have a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice= and vocal percussion. Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a = subharmonic synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than an= guitar octaver.

Hardware:=A0http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Sof= tware:=A0http://mda.smartelectronix.com/=A0(MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne=A0


On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mike Fug= azzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off th= e laptop battery...same noise problem.=A0 I didn't notice anything bein= g less annoying.=A0 The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 and Boo= merang III.=A0 The power supplies are on a power strip underneath the board= .

There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer.

I th= en tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck.=A0 I am not sa= vvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP.=A0 Me thinks it = is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference from insi= de the computer.

My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines unef= fected panned hard to one side.=A0 I can then add the octave down effect in= post production and pan everything center.=A0 I hope.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 = PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
That sounds like you're picking up some kind of
interference, or have an earthing problem.

Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop
at that time?
I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop
are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common.
...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop
power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas
your problem fades in and out..


Things to try
1) use laptop on batteries only

2) go through a "silent run" of your performance,
picking things up, moving =A0and holding them as usual
while listening out for the ring.

andy





Mike Fugazzi wrote:
If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you a= ll of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. =A0I thought my OP had a d= ifferent link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up a = couple of loops. =A0I am checking my work computer for a better example....= |http://mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3

You can really hear it around the 55s mark.




--e89a8f502a5612220004b863b857-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 18:21:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5A98183489; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qLMSp7Q8CFhiB1o4DpNwWY+g9FNCVqbqp6m29Xk8WwE=; b=AkdUurwb1/6J6+SrXMByZud89Z71IZAms78sKhqVaa15lzoW8XmQn9X76mcXKxQVwX VYNnxzvgAHHKhtdc9S6yVhMhlfyNf2LzHTl4ikLp4lPNOo3wuVgS8pbqs6yW9+1tmWfk puNCsd/cfh/Cf112Cql6WK7yhJQwxOozN41Ig= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:21:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: CT-Collective feature on KUSF in Exile tonight From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <1HOtNB.A.tz.HvWMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I mentioned last week that I'm now a KUSF in Exile DJ, doing a 1 hour show each week, and that this week I was going to do a feature on the CT-Collective. Well, that's tonight at midnight PST. You can listen here: http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile And then a downloadable podcast will be here later this week: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 18:22:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74B9E18348A; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=TcmedszJeBaxRkKNwXe5DYplwknTZ3bXcGOCXGNGnvg=; b=i8L65BFyqFbYMOn/u1IlI48zvLcRByJpCy1zr5x+T043+5xgdU3I7zRTXXPuWRDln0 C3F110XPq+sVWkb3IC9122DoEYkYXogtyQWpESwALkzSuB39rg8TAzduAS/xW4fGeWYd IlU6ysZFJcjX0o7euz5+FoazHAOLWpwPGCets= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sannedewaard@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> From: Sanne de Waard Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:21:56 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0z7AQzFCoDq7bKdDpr7B5KNKQeE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428d2cd5734c04b863db9b Resent-Message-ID: <7sv6f.A.S3.ZvWMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:22:17 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428d2cd5734c04b863db9b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Don't know any stompboxes. I use(d) the MDA VST-plugin live with a midi controller. _______________________ [ Sanne de Waard On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I wonder if any of the synths on the POD HD would work too? At least I > have something to experiment with tonight! > > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a >> lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of >> using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results >> actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >> >> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA >> Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) >> >> Good luck, >> Sanne >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >>> Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off >>> the laptop battery...same noise problem. I didn't notice anything being >>> less annoying. The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 and >>> Boomerang III. The power supplies are on a power strip underneath the >>> board. >>> >>> There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer. >>> >>> I then tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck. I am >>> not savvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP. Me thinks >>> it is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference from >>> inside the computer. >>> >>> My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines >>> uneffected panned hard to one side. I can then add the octave down effect >>> in post production and pan everything center. I hope. >>> >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote: >>> >>>> That sounds like you're picking up some kind of >>>> interference, or have an earthing problem. >>>> >>>> Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop >>>> at that time? >>>> I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop >>>> are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common. >>>> ...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop >>>> power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas >>>> your problem fades in and out.. >>>> >>>> >>>> Things to try >>>> 1) use laptop on batteries only >>>> >>>> 2) go through a "silent run" of your performance, >>>> picking things up, moving and holding them as usual >>>> while listening out for the ring. >>>> >>>> andy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal >>>>> you all of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. I thought my OP had >>>>> a different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up >>>>> a couple of loops. I am checking my work computer for a better example....| >>>>> http://**mikefugazzi.com/files/**HeyJoeDistorted.mp3 >>>>> >>>>> You can really hear it around the 55s mark. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --f46d04428d2cd5734c04b863db9b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don= 9;t know any stompboxes. I use(d) the MDA VST-plugin live with a midi contr= oller.=C2=A0
_______________________
[ Sanne de Waard



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Mike Fug= azzi <mikefug= azzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder if any of the synths on the POD HD would work too?=C2=A0 At least = I have something to experiment with tonight!

----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Tue, Feb 7, 2= 012 at 12:02 PM, Sanne de Waard <sanne@waard.de> wrote:
<= font color=3D"#003300">Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical pr= oblem, but I do have a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice= and vocal percussion. Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a = subharmonic synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than an= guitar octaver.

Hardware:=C2=A0http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/<= /div>
Sof= tware:=C2=A0http://mda.smartelectronix.com/=C2=A0(MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, V= ST)

Good luck,
Sanne=C2=A0


On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mike Fug= azzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off th= e laptop battery...same noise problem.=C2=A0 I didn't notice anything b= eing less annoying.=C2=A0 The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 a= nd Boomerang III.=C2=A0 The power supplies are on a power strip underneath = the board.

There was 3-4' of space between the board and computer.

I th= en tried using a HP and LP filter on the HD500 with no luck.=C2=A0 I am not= savvy enough to record and then use Reaper to add the HP/LP.=C2=A0 Me thin= ks it is either something wrong with the signal or digital interference fro= m inside the computer.

My work around will be to record in stereo and send the bass lines unef= fected panned hard to one side.=C2=A0 I can then add the octave down effect= in post production and pan everything center.=C2=A0 I hope.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:07 = PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
That sounds like you're picking up some kind of
interference, or have an earthing problem.

Could it be that the mic is getting close to the laptop
at that time?
I'd guess that all those digital electronics in the laptop
are causing that noise to start with, that's quite common.
...but normally it's due to the earthing in the laptop
power supply and it just sounds all the time, whereas
your problem fades in and out..


Things to try
1) use laptop on batteries only

2) go through a "silent run" of your performance,
picking things up, moving =C2=A0and holding them as usual
while listening out for the ring.

andy





Mike Fugazzi wrote:
If you try to listen for where I sing a bassline into an octave pedal you a= ll of a sudden hear a weird high end distortion. =C2=A0I thought my OP had = a different link as it is me just playing acoustic harp and then setting up= a couple of loops. =C2=A0I am checking my work computer for a better examp= le....|http://mikefugazzi.com/files/HeyJoeDistorted.mp3<= /a>

You can really hear it around the 55s mark.





--f46d04428d2cd5734c04b863db9b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 18:31:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6D3183464; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 391278.61634.bm@omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328639489; bh=hIESjbf9NCnP74CJIRsn6h9dZZMg25JTXgA9n9n82Hw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=Fm6A6B9493P5k0TA2z1sIcLuHtUSOwReWozq+wPPB3WEXvB1nkYnijEaVjlR+aFKYpkN3ytzf9ZnIef90u0D0PpUlYrm26j8r9YfKeEOirIbt5r/itf8Kk1lzPU2Nk/7WN727qb60BBdfT0Tj97kFHPFb5fhrmqYNTVUQtk3T0E= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xXMK21cVM1lj6e8n6ueGzKPs4FD_625rVFJSa4kY6UOTb5K QBjLtumFlLMDpy.4BKW6dNKwh17HCqynBL_skeU_PRLZ8gxvgdQiMgrn.Bqf Dm50TJHz2IpSRY8pYILR2GC5AxYULD2fNV.7_IpdK3im.JEDqMshAVGsZ2MY izzIWwjd7K83pb76RpC3sm1ZvokKcyvm7Ln.YlvAXDpXcH8f98Lw4ybYtcaX KxOWB8YrElKL5.CC62XoFX7bTjFkmEpTdsVVnYLOnd9qCnc4zSBOL4UpjZc8 j_zmX2SUtENBh_pc.M..dN3MXhNW4XeJ0bZRJT4w7NBYNNQ1rXgeF9u1Sp3e IHHMQa9OqgF4pUkMPEUyMvgaKQpKGcg2k3bcmERszrreh5L6V0NvOC1LmexM BKjJTsas6rQjLpU4.pNlwiEsaAFhGnYVkdEialC2OZzrbsJgRH_LhDg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <9871EDDD-9626-4DB0-B63C-64056C3C8E30@carlsonarts.com> From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Echoplex for sale (maybe) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:31:27 -0800 References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <2hkkSC.A.LJB.D4WMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, I may have an echoplex for sale, depending on what cost I can get for it. What do you think is a reasonable price at current market value? Is government financing available through the Obama American Recovery Act? Peace, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 21:03:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A644D183478; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 727466926/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.134/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.134 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAB+RMU9YbRGG/2dsb2JhbAAMN7JSAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBugyLSQEEAgECAgkEAQ0EBgEKAgIDBgIEAgEEAgIcAQIBgnQBAgkCAgEDAQMEBAIGBwQCAQEKAXwCCgIhgx0EmnGNGA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,379,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="727466926" Message-ID: <4F3191A1.6010800@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:03:29 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect References: <4F2FF9AD.1020909@tiscali.co.uk> <372C82FA-2F7F-4E1F-85E6-E139387735A6@gmail.com> <4F3016DD.5090606@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Mike Fugazzi wrote: > Well, I unplugged everything other than my board and tried recording off > the laptop battery...same noise problem. I didn't notice anything being > The only digital stuff plugged in were my HD500 and > Boomerang III. Tried the octaver on battery? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 01:52:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98BCB18345A; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 823444.60753.bm@omp1045.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328665940; bh=+zWZqAOxELhuo4CtLdMSBPg2ZKh6/XLPme2Qbyg+fig=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=euDA2A2NBD3c4fxs8N1/2Zq/gBEJf9ISPcq6HCxidFPJnVUm7VJ5ed+ar1wEnUziRLQY56ja4Gn/cfvxXqE2JXP18rCitaQoxScSuz3cOW7oKPhJtfxMROM8bBFTikK79+7GL5R3wdxtcJzvdl4sZuMLfEje5qcpoLYCtMBL+40= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fTPd75T5nGJ0dMlLVm4fIKk26tGs5KXx7lhqH+lQOZC92qL6Ah98eEE34YC9xkInP+rpzv2mjFU0DivlaknY8oVUeFeDsBmSKWSFLA9XFGP8x5x2gT9arrI4USNuIqg0S3eLhdFe7R0t9MTJZwktgzkeuOrO8wrHeLX98JYHOms=; X-YMail-OSG: IM1JBmwVM1lvvC8NjcNbDnbPf77w7g2JcCWH3r.lxov5kYi 1_q.HCzLzQLw16OZrFvkGWV5rmJGAcuhWwtuDuTy4ucZ6tbbyAClvIsXwgcd SAssL8xtW6ozctrMeupGBRCLFAUPplOU19oFVy3Pcl9fdKWhsIyg9MO2jtz_ 7R60gif10Fnzpf0CN1BjgOO56gI2.RLB2S0Tvml4OGIyKsVeV2bekv3HmTs1 27bOfC6KtxL_NLAd62YPh1KXse3lird0gjMPonKvsy7KB5NRwa9gx3vE9C2i fl.qXCqhKw029yICP22ChzABUGENlLWzD83cwck1Ckeu4mtY0m7.WfRRslKz 2P2RJEhvFF9xH8FqBBlfQT2fMzeu1yv_QM_kw3SaY7FdYDwCKvdnRDvLG.uS SLeepYPglfGR48H4pyQf_hc5IYX.Jh4XyoDh0INIyXYTPjG0AiQ0jX3JK22s VkkG2mxVBMEsXt8nr5GlRGCssI.qknc4Sw5M.53.OoTC9bgHk0IQARw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: Message-ID: <1328665940.52789.YahooMailNeo@web160306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Reply-To: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: bill frisell looping (beatles & demoing his gear) To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1228530961-51436922-1328665940=:52789" Resent-Message-ID: <2NJvS.A.KpF.VVdMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:52:21 +0000 (UTC) --1228530961-51436922-1328665940=:52789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AThere's also a very brief shot of a T.Rex Room-mate reverb pedal atop= an amp.=A0 And there's an unidentified 5-knob pedal on his right, off the = pedal board...=0A=0A=0A=0Ated=0A=0A=A0=0AOr would you sing somethin' differ= ent. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now,= that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of song that = truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Ca= sh. It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line= "=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Scott Hansen =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, Feb= ruary 6, 2012 10:35:45 PM=0ASubject: bill frisell looping (beatles & demoin= g his gear)=0A =0A=0Aok , bf playing the beatles things are cool. i'm curio= us about the album.=0Ais it odd that i find it more interesting watching hi= m "demo" his gear on the fretboard journal thing/interview.=0Ahe just seems= "looser" to me.=0Ain case no one saw it, below the fretboard journal vid, = they posted his gear for that session, it said:=0A=A0=0AEffects pedals hear= d in this video: =0AVoodoo Lab Pedal Power 2=0ABoss TU-2 =0AIbanez TS-9 Tub= e Screamer (stock) =0ATC Electronics Hall of Fame=0AElectro-Harmonix Freeze= =0ALine 6 DL4=0AWright Sounds Fuzz Stang=0A=0AShown, but not used in the vi= deo:=0AElectro-Harmonix Micro POG=0AWay Huge Electronics Ring Worm=0AAguila= r Audiolex=0AZ.Vex Ringtone=0A=0AFrisell's custom Jazzmaster was built by J= .W. Black, with custom art by Terry Turrell. The amp is a vintage Gibson GA= -18.=0A=A0=0Athanks for posting those. they were fun to watch.=0As---- --1228530961-51436922-1328665940=:52789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

T= here's also a very brief shot of a T.Rex Room-mate reverb pedal atop an amp= .  And there's an unidentified 5-knob pedal on his right, off the peda= l board...


ted
 
Or would you sing somethi= n' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you r= ight now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of s= ong that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in Go= d, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk= the Line"
From: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com
Sent: Monday= , February 6, 2012 10:35:45 PM
Su= bject: bill frisell looping (beatles & demoing his gear)
=

ok , bf playing the beat= les things are cool. i'm curious about the album.
is it odd that = i find it more interesting watching him "demo" his gear on the fretboard jo= urnal thing/interview.
=0Ahe just seems "looser" to me.
in case no one saw it, below the fretboard journal vid, they posted his ge= ar for that session, it said:
 
Effects pedals hea= rd in this video:
Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2
=0ABoss TU-2
Ibanez T= S-9 Tube Screamer (stock)
TC Electronics Hall of Fame
Electro-Harmon= ix Freeze
Line 6 DL4
Wright Sounds Fuzz Stang

Shown, but not u= sed in the video:
Electro-Harmonix Micro POG
=0AWay Huge Electronics = Ring Worm
Aguilar Audiolex
Z.Vex Ringtone

Frisell's custom Jaz= zmaster was built by J.W. Black, with custom art by Terry Turrell. The amp = is a vintage Gibson GA-18.
 
=0Athanks for posting= those. they were fun to watch.
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--1228530961-51436922-1328665940=:52789-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 02:20:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 938D2183474; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 696955.21948.bm@omp1004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328667657; bh=RMu6kkHUNQVygBeToyLzTJfOZpse0opPAZ/xw7VkXik=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vo3vSFVvnqGehgaSwXHNPemYQyExBCNMCmfgWyw3s51JXb0rsDHoTKVqZqMISTAEn6fNFpgUwjWw46KkjFOtE4cR++IX2/J41sHJpASepEWuEggd4wubyXHqavPA5TOttKVdXA6H5urLrNQlXpFtSfs8taOub/1qf4pxM/Cypgg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tLIB27cBtkW9M5PHJksdeIQMznLUYycOorZQFH9vKrbr3X01NLXd9gd+UWlQUWjnDhbmxCgc7SkXq5zjwJRh6FgfzbSN8BghWgMFFxXIWP0r/iN2nH+Q70LpDAEpD1U8fFDY8leH2O1yPonww4b12V+XxWVRrO3Mv4P2+xt2Lxc=; X-YMail-OSG: L1L4aOQVM1n3rt92lm0AHl0zCpM1_aecSkWQOMmsDxeHOe4 YY7ENKOe7DAw9tNpPG1gAJOKPdLyl3.akFajz9p9LUBD_.jo06PIpJAgPTLr R1LimznIr9cHQW_X39BcEtshhdJ874psHyVcs9IYn03Ge8PSyL4QTsm3oSll xz7OEiRUOdZNKgFWM8U2rSg26qisZNB_dAkuao3KdB22nvQKETeT0829Aw1c DEkRMz5C.EtR6v5nShubHTUtoekUiyAvavspV0dBUqyE6xOK3IrmC8JlFxzu QVsJto667QqUC.ivyCNfh4uWnyZY_KEB6iTTL5yOV4Tg7cPe96A7yI_GBDD5 7vZTRSLdLEnPZxKyAWVdFQ6jZ6PEZ3weyM.552SlCaEYlS.3kg0Cu86zNf60 4l.m.Wj.Qoq9ZhQJbk7Jc_Ut28b3UyHcCYVJU54w7xVnpJoKXJhKj294K5Ma 5HMoMmj7gUOhRf9dfA8HmYPPD57RNkEGSDOAjVOGTRLTXxB0dMWOXqKZ98eG k7.5g7aeBuEikVhc8M6qv3kkm_Gqn0TXILGwEHKiN40pVZWLxmnHJdkPksoI ktOgweclorOHcdY2h38.Wa._TGXc9AKldDYSy52b2rHfUgcG.sywZY7s7WHb pyGISYq_1qvZsUKU44xwBwrBYUc6jlR.t35Ea0TFuiVrDZ9l42Wn2ascIkm1 dlOGcjw1kbw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> Message-ID: <1328667657.99791.YahooMailNeo@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:20:57 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Reply-To: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1603101515-1191455925-1328667657=:99791" Resent-Message-ID: <2vGQwD.A.kEG.KwdMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:20:58 +0000 (UTC) ---1603101515-1191455925-1328667657=:99791 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry that I'm chiming in way late here....=0A=0A=0AWhat I like most about = Bill is =0Athat he's one of the few people that I think transcends the inst= rument - it doesn't matter what effects he's using if at all (he's always = =0Achanging them up but the DL4 has been very constant) or what kind of =0A= guitar (which he's also changing pretty regularly), he's going to sound lik= e Bill.=0A=0A=0AI've been a BF fan since I bought =0A"Before We Were Born" = and Marc Johnson's Bass Desires "Second Sight" on =0Avinyl on a trip into T= oronto in late '80's.=A0 Seen him four times live =0Aand each was great...= =0A=0AThat "Poem for Eva" clip is from his "Solo" dvd which is absolutely f= antastic - great sound, great playing.=A0 It's a few years old but it still= kicks ass.=A0 Do yourself a favour and buy it - http://www.billfrisell.com= /merch/frisellsolodvd.htm=0A=0A=0ARick - was that band you saw Bill with St= one Tiger?=A0 Percy Jones on bass and either Mike Clark or Dougie Brown on = drums...=0A=0A=0ACharles - that's a great story about you and Bill going fo= r the Les Paul.=A0 I've got a good Bill story but it's too long for here...= =0A=0A=0A=0Ated.=0A=0A=A0=0AOr would you sing somethin' different. Somethin= ' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the k= ind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves p= eople. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to= do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line"=0A=0A=0A___= _____________________________=0A From: Petri Lahtinen =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Sunday, Februar= y 5, 2012 3:56:50 PM=0ASubject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some gr= eat use of looping=0A =0A:-D=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUXOiTBuC= 28w&feature=3Drelated=0A=0AI rest my case with this, if someone doesnt "und= erstand the greatness"=0A=0AThen so be it :-D each to his/her own etc ---1603101515-1191455925-1328667657=:99791 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry that I'm c= himing in way late here....

What I like most a= bout Bill is =0Athat he's one of the few people that I think transcends the= instrument -=0A it doesn't matter what effects he's using if at all (he's = always =0Achanging them up but the DL4 has been very constant) or what kind= of =0Aguitar (which he's also changing pretty regularly), he's going to so= und like Bill.
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I've been a BF fan since = I bought =0A"Before We Were Born" and Marc Johnson's Bass Desires "Second S= ight" on =0Avinyl on a trip into Toronto in late '80's.  Seen him four= times live =0Aand each was great...
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That "Poem for Eva" clip is from his "Solo" dvd which is absolute= ly fantastic - great sound, great playing.  It's a few years old but i= t still kicks ass.  Do yourself a favour and buy it - http://www.billf= risell.com/merch/frisellsolodvd.htm

Rick - w= as that band you saw Bill with Stone Tiger?  Percy Jones on bass and e= ither Mike Clark or Dougie Brown on drums...

Charles - that's a great story about you and Bill going f= or the Les Paul.  I've got a good Bill story but it's too long for her= e...



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Or would you sing somethin' differen= t. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, t= hat's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of song that tr= uly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk t= he Line"
---1603101515-1191455925-1328667657=:99791-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 02:50:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ECD0183464; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:50:39 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sanne de Waard CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:50:50 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > Hi, > > I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a > lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. > Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. > The results actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. > > Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ > Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) > > Good luck, > Sanne This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I helped out his estate by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really well live for vocals. It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an earlier Peavey model. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 03:00:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0971183463; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 03:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=LVb5dKr1GLEA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=rCrPF-ZNAAAA:8 a=o0ZD21Z9AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=kGL4f-nDAAAA:20 a=8_3T-DqND2CI7azxptoA:9 a=86VGY1NrXBrsuV9P4KcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: CT-Collective feature on KUSF in Exile tonight From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:00:07 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <57906DFC-7456-4571-BB23-4D61409F1F22@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 03:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Wish I could listen Matt...but it's past my bedtime. On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi all, > > I mentioned last week that I'm now a KUSF in Exile DJ, doing a 1 hour > show each week, and that this week I was going to do a feature on the > CT-Collective. Well, that's tonight at midnight PST. > > You can listen here: > http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile > > And then a downloadable podcast will be here later this week: > http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 03:27:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BC33183464; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 03:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=KhU6Foe2Rhk+MWgI6sTdoVkoou3lsUTm4ngOgNYftjM=; b=mQudciAq+q5gsiu/9sw15BrBkbxr5QNDR0nndxwfeJh+Y/zWOjCceoyQHm/pXUwdGp 4EOkwsJb1aUxYaon2KSOC+SeHQMswlO0wMMAcwmogWx1b+qKAr+vFvgrmkCtarv2Ra54 20pfrKDNy3D/pNW1txs2++7ra3FuNY897yaKg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:27:21 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f502a56639d2604b86b7a06 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 03:27:43 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f502a56639d2604b86b7a06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. They are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a good bottom end, but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me, but without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lol. There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox format...that is something I would need for live use. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a >> lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of >> using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results >> actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >> >> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.**com/(MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) >> >> Good luck, >> Sanne >> > This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. > > Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I helped out > his estate > by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really > well live for vocals. > > It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an > earlier Peavey model. > > rick walker > > --e89a8f502a56639d2604b86b7a06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any sound samples?=A0 I don't think the POD HD synths will work well.= =A0 They are just to glitchy even with just vocals.=A0 The bass octaver has= a good bottom end, but is muddy.=A0 The synth route really intrigues me, b= ut without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lo= l.

There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox format..= .that is something I would need for live use.

--------= --
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Wal= ker <looppool@c= ruzio.com> wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote:
Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lot = of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Inst= ead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The resu= lts actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver.

Hardware: http://= www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: htt= p://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne
This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.

Also, =A0a few years back when Elliot Smith died, =A0my wife and I helped o= ut his estate
by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really
well live for vocals.

It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was a= n earlier Peavey model.

rick walker


--e89a8f502a56639d2604b86b7a06-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 05:28:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E363018345C; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 05:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NXPfUhv+cYDe2xIruvnYk56ket4xM9NQQTNjXe8dZzc=; b=OudjBb91b9Opps1OWQfvN6mtbnyb0Ia0DJxzWB06FdNI18Wqv96nUx42thnkspKeJo TUw/xW/SoCQEnrSm6/f+ta1s3BHBahVok3X4YMHwEHwYf3EeFGMsEJ2s6c+kemcwHM5r SO3Ajspk4tQgkVZUsvrqQsjtu9tiJ4+hGcgvk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:28:53 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Creating a more flexible setup From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dceafddd3b7a04b86d2b8a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 05:28:55 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dceafddd3b7a04b86d2b8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I loop using FL Studio hosting mobius using 6 tracks in mobius. I'm trying to further my music beyond the sound of it just being a loop with some FX. I listen to Zoe Keating's music and its as if I cant even tell it's looping because of its musicallity. I want to be able to do something like that, but with more of an electronic music style. Any tips to practice and have fun while Im at it? --0016e6dceafddd3b7a04b86d2b8a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I loop using FL Studio hosting mobius using 6 tracks in mobius. I'm = trying to further my music beyond the sound of it just being a loop with so= me FX. I listen to Zoe Keating's music and its as if I cant even tell i= t's looping because of its musicallity. I want to be able to do somethi= ng like that, but with more of an electronic music style. Any tips to pract= ice and have fun while Im at it?

--0016e6dceafddd3b7a04b86d2b8a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 07:56:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E098B183466; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jklXQEaXdttqEIDTZ605GveaOUwUY9Q8By/a4qh0h9I=; b=d/b0c2J76XL0/wyL55Wc2+6Kl6s1xbigOL6tDdbFllIXk3L7/+zfAQWgM0DlV50W3c jVZSpzQizVGsMdlu6sA+QzlyJ8RlkRuwFwvGR/yi7tmlfyVAgCOyKrc90uPQ8CKdaNvv BU1T9Fk2KZiLZC5SEeSdiOBf8g9Rgf/SR3tGg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:56:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Try compose the music first and then set up some looping gadgets and other nifty routing to perform this particular music. That's how Zoe got into looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:28 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I loop using FL Studio hosting mobius using 6 tracks in mobius. I'm trying > to further my music beyond the sound of it just being a loop with some FX. I > listen to Zoe Keating's music and its as if I cant even tell it's looping > because of its musicallity. I want to be able to do something like that, but > with more of an electronic music style. Any tips to practice and have fun > while Im at it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 08:18:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F47A183464; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ru3sM7jK8iCNDZ0GFFlBfDKhRTq7ve7uDtYiaVhEmYk=; b=CXWmvZTa4HcuADG44bzhiYj6F3TQst+QA0OIpQVUXwwrQ5WW7pvBEZmcgJzWrBGbHh uR7eX29CVsqSkLQ2y6VuKO5ss8ldMnh/fVFIgv8pAwIKerkyhNmzR7sjsgaTuO5PkoXE SwkpVl0HyGcvkzAFcA21TEDZDKPKDkhqQEI4Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1328667657.99791.YahooMailNeo@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <2E397FDA-485C-48D3-AF80-DB994001C6EB@mac.com> <3E72AC9E-55C3-473B-AE71-F9BD78370D18@grubmah.com> <4EADACE5-6C65-40B4-992D-E5686F227B7C@earthwormandfire.com> <1328667657.99791.YahooMailNeo@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:18:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_OK-bD.A.knB.r_iMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:18:52 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:20 AM, ditch wrestler wr= ote: > That "Poem for Eva" clip is from his "Solo" dvd which is absolutely > fantastic - great sound, great playing.=C2=A0 It's a few years old but it= still > kicks ass.=C2=A0 Do yourself a favour and buy it - > http://www.billfrisell.com/merch/frisellsolodvd.htm Yes, that was a very nice clip. Doesn't make me a fan but I truly enjoy it. Thanks for posting the link. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 08:30:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED43018345A; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=grRkRj/Y5V5Qx/GCZaOTPs5Mlv9WDFYFo0PXGPt5W7E=; b=aJX+wn3vWlu+WIp2oevbeVlBY5jkx1pKG6Pyz7oN6ceM9i/QH+vf/rEOPV15y9QiGK 76D/C70UUcOn8uflv2o44PYbcmoM9ybRA0jL+nfrYhEHdBm+PoK/lSsBwI33xrTQ8nx6 y9osPoV1z9Do+/wbmb+rYVp8vvTIo1iRMRXOM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:30:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -asmLfoXr85ViaTXEKxWDXV8V8I Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040169c7a93c3804b86fb64d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:30:53 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040169c7a93c3804b86fb64d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What about the Boss PS series? I tried out my 2 yesterday, just to give it a go... the harmonise function doesnt work too well, but with regular pitch shifting it worked fine for me, or am I missing something, is there sometjing in the DBX or Peavey versions I dont know? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. They > are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a good > bottom end, but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me, but without > a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lol. > > There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox > format...that is something I would need for live use. > > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a >>> lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of >>> using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results >>> actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >>> >>> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >>> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.**com/(MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) >>> >>> Good luck, >>> Sanne >>> >> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. >> >> Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I helped out >> his estate >> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really >> well live for vocals. >> >> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an >> earlier Peavey model. >> >> rick walker >> >> > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d040169c7a93c3804b86fb64d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What about the Boss PS series? I tried out my 2 yesterday, just to give it = a go... the harmonise function doesnt work too well, but with regular pitch= shifting it worked fine for me, or am I missing something, is there sometj= ing in the DBX or Peavey versions I dont know?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi= <mikefugazzi= @gmail.com> wrote:
Any sound samples?=A0 I don't think the POD HD synths will work well.= =A0 They are just to glitchy even with just vocals.=A0 The bass octaver has= a good bottom end, but is muddy.=A0 The synth route really intrigues me, b= ut without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lo= l.

There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox format..= .that is something I would need for live use.

--------= --
Mike Fugazzi
vocals= /harmonica
http://www.mikefug= azzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Wal= ker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote:
Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lot = of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Inst= ead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The resu= lts actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver.

Hardware: http://= www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: htt= p://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne
This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.

Also, =A0a few years back when Elliot Smith died, =A0my wife and I helped o= ut his estate
by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really
well live for vocals.

It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was a= n earlier Peavey model.

rick walker





--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d040169c7a93c3804b86fb64d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 08:39:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8E6E18345E; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=R19XZxv+Xbak030q2Yx9+pXRCEEpp+hd8FI6FmmP0ik=; b=ElUhGAgP7wXIR+CYtkYm/NkQUVK36JoLCDfdkkPe9GI31Eg8dD5fJQRyndscD9Pkux 3Sq9SdNULmIkDMknCGguvkfRWcYHqmwkEnYGHvU3vk7ctqNe4tpWM7SoGkJdepdChKey Co0rfmXeoR75OD2jg9agTVen4APsCBWVQg1+Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <666F5046-9A9D-4DD8-9BDC-EDB3157768AD@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 03:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Podcast From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307cfd122b044404b86fd67c Resent-Message-ID: <7bqG3D.A.jAC.NTjMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:39:41 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307cfd122b044404b86fd67c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per thanks very much for listening and the interest. I need to submit it to the Apple store I believe. Soundcloud did not have a direct relationship as did Podomatic which I used in the past for the ImprovFriday shows. Jim On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Great concept and you're having a very interesting discussion in > there! If you keep this up, will you put it out also through the usual > podcast channels? Asking because I mainly use my iPhone for podcast > subscriptions. When doing a search in Downcast (the app I use) on your > name this new podcast doesn't come up while both the Improv Friday and > Mim Goodin on alonetone.com does. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Jim Goodin > wrote: > > Folks I wanted to mention a podcast I have recently been part of > producing and publishing. The series slated to feature composers working > in experimental music focused for this episode on the work of Peter > Thoegersen. Peter works in micro tonal and poly tempic music largely as = a > drummer. He is in a doctoral program in composition at the Univ of > Illinois. I mention I here not so much for looping but he creatively mak= es > use of MAX in one of the pieces we chose to feature. > > > > The cast runs an hour and 18 min and is on SoundCloud at > http://soundcloud.com/jimgoodinpaulmuller/jim-goodin-paul-muller-podcast > > > > The show is produced every few months by Paul Muller and myself. We ar= e > planning to be on a more regular production schedule in 2012. Paul and I > met through ImprovFriday. > > > > Thanks for checking this out. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, > http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307cfd122b044404b86fd67c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per thanks very much for listening and the interest. =A0I need to submit it= to the Apple store I believe. =A0Soundcloud did not have a direct relation= ship as did Podomatic which I used in the past for the ImprovFriday shows.<= div>
Jim

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at= 5:01 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Great concept and you're having a very interesting discussion in
there! If you keep this up, will you put it out also through the usual
podcast channels? Asking because I mainly use my iPhone for podcast
subscriptions. When doing a search in Downcast (the app I use) on your
name this new podcast doesn't come up while both the Improv Friday and<= br> Mim Goodin on alonetone.= com does.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks I wanted to mention a podcast I have recently been part of produ= cing and publishing. =A0The series slated to feature composers working in e= xperimental music focused for this episode on the work of Peter Thoegersen.= =A0Peter works in micro tonal and poly tempic music largely as a drummer. = =A0He is in a doctoral program in composition at the Univ of Illinois. =A0I= mention I here not so much for looping but he creatively makes use of MAX = in one of the pieces we chose to feature.
>
> The cast runs an hour and 18 min and is on SoundCloud at http://soundcloud.com/jimgoodinpaulmuller/jim-goodin-paul-mu= ller-podcast
>
> The show is produced every few months by Paul Muller and myself. =A0We= are planning to be on a more regular production schedule in 2012. =A0Paul = and I met through ImprovFriday.
>
> Thanks for checking this out.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8=




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=
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--20cf307cfd122b044404b86fd67c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 08:41:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029E718345A; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y5dpjacO5ZusoZtXyHV9EtqGhHwXRObrd7u3C0KVXNI=; b=geCzeuMA9X9NAnENonOPjkmDl92gvtCo2rury5BpnrCdKKxbcGDM/OfsS7CZJANM5D ECuNa+nGBk7SGMTwrdu4h9nxF0HsyHfD378cWmFaAo61G4ZF9AvNWh67+cFDKMWirfmh lFvTExD0gfeYw9a6zRei7pHYLHALJVxmC2LnY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:41:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Whoa, Sanne, thanks for the link, immediate download of that! -Petri- 2012/2/8 mark francombe : > What about the Boss PS series? I tried out my 2 yesterday, just to give i= t a > go... the harmonise function doesnt work too well, but with regular pitch > shifting it worked fine for me, or am I missing something, is there > sometjing in the DBX or Peavey versions I dont know? > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrot= e: >> >> Any sound samples?=A0 I don't think the POD HD synths will work well.=A0= They >> are just to glitchy even with just vocals.=A0 The bass octaver has a goo= d >> bottom end, but is muddy.=A0 The synth route really intrigues me, but wi= thout >> a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lol. >> >> There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox >> format...that is something I would need for live use. >> >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >>> >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a >>>> lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Inste= ad of >>>> using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The result= s >>>> actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >>>> >>>> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >>>> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, >>>> VST) >>>> >>>> Good luck, >>>> Sanne >>> >>> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. >>> >>> Also, =A0a few years back when Elliot Smith died, =A0my wife and I help= ed out >>> his estate >>> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really >>> well live for vocals. >>> >>> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an >>> earlier Peavey model. >>> >>> rick walker >>> >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --=20 Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 13:06:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86C1B183466; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 717751.97339.bm@omp1019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328706411; bh=FbEJEwUBECZEm2ntE30Ccc70seEGzbyOu/IOmElV6gc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kOmKGDspW9V2g201yBCY9OtYxJ4zYuHzydySqQPDxq+fEDgz8BS4lsaTkt5XcPWCCuLTkfiFg/cIKZGJpDf0aJN+1rU/1y5fJm7QuY2igW5yMJtbtvMWAfe3aQnkbZLtX99PiEV2gRaB0hj5SUXtixCh/445MCLtDt8ych4kNxk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PpvYe/rGSsrcziffHtdPxfFLofl3klzmbKiDjpE8tdt+bxBWWHtkDLFPU3HWgStzXuMqZ1WHrsXLGeykM9vMSbRPc/G4G7sQsIXy8ibHVF+4Q3r8zfvY05dAwhy+udZx4Dg8XbQRMh80/JPsx2dlM6k4m2dVrqNa8EAUYeBqYCg=; X-YMail-OSG: __NTQi0VM1mUF6_hpF.__c7rfWPCBp7syVlkj7CQk8mTiKz t5xQ_SU1mAqvHfvtxAOHPdpa1CGNXvTZrDsAOlWd_D6YaopFwCEZzUEZJhug 5Gd27euSY0q26bu_oaNi_Ky2xKi_aS79J9g4p6md3FQ9lM5FQ6ZiSMEId.Uj X7yKIXUuS8oJ4F4RhLur.kyJMc.lAq3SAnq6Qjhw00obqTNuwaY2njkkvF4Y usSEURDhEW09qdo7sxNR.KZklGYwr14rq.f5jpNnQk2AYCDXDojOM6vINarG zOaILrbXq.vWD9k3GSSM_nHYTwJr5b3Q6GUr8c4KyHNt__NabOlRNwYnvDXB CAUayWW.eOaFwgxoGVEaYf_P1GGImRAaomNew24pjJI8RiTKeYUgsQW4ljpM 45VGG9ykdtK269abt7aB1e9BPktxiizdA4AqEZSEk.kUe6qWg5ke8QuRkPnq kgRdgJKIhFOhqzGECKXyg X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: Message-ID: <1328706411.43221.YahooMailNeo@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 05:06:51 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Reply-To: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1603101515-1183493066-1328706411=:43221" Resent-Message-ID: <3VJ8KC.A.ZcE.sNnMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:06:52 +0000 (UTC) ---1603101515-1183493066-1328706411=:43221 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0AFrom a pic taken by somebody at NPR, Bill's signal chain for that vid= eo is:=0A=A0=0ABoss Tuner -> Audiolex Active Aggressive (handmade by Alex A= guilar in a very small batch) -> EH Freeze -> Line 6 DL4 -> TC Electronics = Hall of Fame reverb all powered by a Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2+.=0A=0A=A0= =0A=A0=0A=0AOr would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin= ' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song peop= le want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't = got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believi= n' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line"=0A=0A=A0=0Ated=0A ---1603101515-1183493066-1328706411=:43221 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
From a pic taken b= y somebody at NPR, Bill's signal chain for that video is:
 
Boss Tuner -> Audiolex Active Aggressive (handmade by Alex Aguilar in a very small batch) = -> EH Freeze -> Line 6 DL4 -> TC Electronics Hall of Fame reverb a= ll powered by a Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2+.
 
 
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Or would you sing someth= in' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you = right now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of = song that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in G= od, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk = the Line"
 
---1603101515-1183493066-1328706411=:43221-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 13:40:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65DB9183464; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=a2OMXVoNKou44A5tOBefH5sp3aS2ToZkwo5WyBDriLA=; b=Kgl8L/MY7RH6yeNsWFcOzvMYlt46+402bYzePPZSP8BkPppcp+6Zpgrcrf5SChqxW0 gmcU4HpYES0h3a7mVD/XsB9rygPKNDwz/EZgeUpqmHNeNDNw9AHeaLca7DorXahqirkq P3SACh49ggu2fenxPn5bHbrzgM/KI2n9iyN+Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sannedewaard@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> From: Sanne de Waard Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:38:20 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YVDD7-RfWoPzbiOffL-va42Getw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428d2c71af7804b87403bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:40:11 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428d2c71af7804b87403bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. They > are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a good > bottom end, but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me, but without > a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lol. > > There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox > format...that is something I would need for live use. > > > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a >>> lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of >>> using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results >>> actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >>> >>> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >>> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.**com/(MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) >>> >>> Good luck, >>> Sanne >>> >> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. >> >> Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I helped out >> his estate >> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really >> well live for vocals. >> >> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an >> earlier Peavey model. >> >> rick walker >> >> > --f46d04428d2c71af7804b87403bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all the= se videos:=C2=A0htt= p://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike = Fugazzi <mike= fugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Any sound samples?=C2=A0 I don't think the POD HD synths will work well= .=C2=A0 They are just to glitchy even with just vocals.=C2=A0 The bass octa= ver has a good bottom end, but is muddy.=C2=A0 The synth route really intri= gues me, but without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what = I need, lol.

There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox format..= .that is something I would need for live use.

<= br clear=3D"all">----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.co= m
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote:
Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lot = of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Inst= ead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The resu= lts actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver.

Hardware: http://= www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: htt= p://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne
This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.

Also, =C2=A0a few years back when Elliot Smith died, =C2=A0my wife and I he= lped out his estate
by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really
well live for vocals.

It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was a= n earlier Peavey model.

rick walker



--f46d04428d2c71af7804b87403bd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 13:49:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2737183474; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=sYLqY8rY3nKwUCnntGwHH1hwajdNf2X3MDvI/Y4gsWQ=; b=sFNgVmrbVwbkw6D3kb74ZYkG2JgyCvTjZpuiS++VjDZVkfIUKtLGS29mF+LVRJeWMh UDO90oIqfAMHCZ5Gc/AHV8vcgPZCn6LHbP7m8A34Yiku3pVla4bgV2m9rdXnDPUGut5X /seu1KEcWei+H7gyuAUal0Y288HcWN+GVmxiY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:48:40 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f6163d21904b87428bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:49:01 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340f6163d21904b87428bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 THANKS! I am listening to Fields of Gold right now, very cool! I am anxious to actually get this going through some decent speakers (only using laptop speakers right now). I will give them another listen tonight for sure. Extremely well done! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos: > http://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. They >> are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a good >> bottom end, but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me, but without >> a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lol. >> >> There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox >> format...that is something I would need for live use. >> >> >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a >>>> lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of >>>> using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results >>>> actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >>>> >>>> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >>>> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.**com/(MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) >>>> >>>> Good luck, >>>> Sanne >>>> >>> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. >>> >>> Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I helped >>> out his estate >>> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really >>> well live for vocals. >>> >>> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an >>> earlier Peavey model. >>> >>> rick walker >>> >>> >> > --14dae9340f6163d21904b87428bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THANKS!=A0 I am listening to Fields of Gold right now, very cool!=A0 I am a= nxious to actually get this going through some decent speakers (only using = laptop speakers right now).=A0 I will give them another listen tonight for = sure.=A0 Extremely well done!
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Sanne de= Waard <sanne@waard.= de> wrote:
I use t= he MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos:=A0http://www.yout= ube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike = Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Any sound samples?=A0 I don't think the POD HD synths will work well.= =A0 They are just to glitchy even with just vocals.=A0 The bass octaver has= a good bottom end, but is muddy.=A0 The synth route really intrigues me, b= ut without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lo= l.

There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox format..= .that is something I would need for live use.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8= :50 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote:
Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lot = of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Inst= ead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The resu= lts actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver.

Hardware: http://= www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: htt= p://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne
This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.

Also, =A0a few years back when Elliot Smith died, =A0my wife and I helped o= ut his estate
by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really
well live for vocals.

It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was a= n earlier Peavey model.

rick walker




--14dae9340f6163d21904b87428bd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 13:59:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDDDB183473; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=7YXqlE+CB/QZyE5eK9A5Hylt/u9kiuIND5jHA5Y++/s=; b=J76h8MvoiXNCf7zcfpWJBvdomBiZ9p/uDAJb504L9nWcYl6dEDtg2udPR8kPL9l1Ew u0qEy4AyDxVKMUYMEagE8Tb+2bajG2bbGkfcNr59FyjJqAZjTRD4LCfsg8haLdulqgU/ ohVh/b+P4yCQ8BiYFulMtxUHm6uiP5mdJS9WU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:59:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6137565f08f004b8744f7a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:59:56 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6137565f08f004b8744f7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Alright, after 3hrs of work last night, I think the problem with the bass rattle is related to the computer. While researching bass synths online I put on Spotify and lo and behold, as I was listening to some Jimi, I started to hear the faintest rattle/ringing through my Sennheiser HD380's. I then went to YouTube and put on some Victor Wooten - and bingo! The rattle was there. I was unplugged from the wall and in a room with no other music gear...I was probably 6-8' from anything electronic...I didn't even have my phone there. When I use the same cans into my iPod, no issues with the bass ring/rattle. When playing at home in real time, I always use the monitor out of the Blackjack, so the signal gets to me before hitting the computer, hence why I don't hear it while playing. I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will probably yield similar results). After figuring this out, I went back and created a new bass vocal patch on my HD500 to better replicate what I was hearing on a studio album of Son of Dave after finding a recent pick that showed him using a Behringer Ultra Octaver for bass lines live. It took a while to get the controls of the POD HD down and find a clip of just the bass humming. The key for me was using a compressor into the bass octaver and keeping the dry signal up to about 10 o'clock. I used a Fender Twin amp emulator with no speaker cabinet...I will probably switch to the studio tube preamp model when the next update comes out. On the cans I was able to mix a strikingly similar bass sound to the album, and played against it as a backing track. Yeah! However, I can't record it as I get that bass ring/rattle. This afternoon, after work, I will try the new patch through my K10's and adjust for live use. One win and one loss last night. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos: > http://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. They >> are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a good >> bottom end, but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me, but without >> a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lol. >> >> There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox >> format...that is something I would need for live use. >> >> >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a >>>> lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of >>>> using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results >>>> actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >>>> >>>> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >>>> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.**com/(MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST) >>>> >>>> Good luck, >>>> Sanne >>>> >>> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. >>> >>> Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I helped >>> out his estate >>> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really >>> well live for vocals. >>> >>> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an >>> earlier Peavey model. >>> >>> rick walker >>> >>> >> > --90e6ba6137565f08f004b8744f7a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alright, after 3hrs of work last night, I think the problem with the bass r= attle is related to the computer.=A0 While researching bass synths online I= put on Spotify and lo and behold, as I was listening to some Jimi, I start= ed to hear the faintest rattle/ringing through my Sennheiser HD380's.= =A0 I then went to YouTube and put on some Victor Wooten - and bingo!=A0 Th= e rattle was there.

I was unplugged from the wall and in a room with no other music gear...= I was probably 6-8' from anything electronic...I didn't even have m= y phone there.=A0 When I use the same cans into my iPod, no issues with the= bass ring/rattle.

When playing at home in real time, I always use the monitor out of the = Blackjack, so the signal gets to me before hitting the computer, hence why = I don't hear it while playing.=A0

I have no idea if there is a = "solution" to this as it appears the computer will not only creat= e this interference, but include it on playback (so recording a dry track a= nd using a plug in to create the bass part will probably yield similar resu= lts).

After figuring this out,=A0 I went back and created a new bass vocal pa= tch on my HD500 to better replicate what I was hearing on a studio album of= Son of Dave after finding a recent pick that showed him using a Behringer = Ultra Octaver for bass lines live.=A0 It took a while to get the controls o= f the POD HD down and find a clip of just the bass humming.=A0 The key for = me was using a compressor into the bass octaver and keeping the dry signal = up to about 10 o'clock.=A0 I used a Fender Twin amp emulator with no sp= eaker cabinet...I will probably switch to the studio tube preamp model when= the next update comes out.

On the cans I was able to mix a strikingly similar bass sound to the al= bum, and played against it as a backing track.=A0 Yeah!=A0 However, I can&#= 39;t record it as I get that bass ring/rattle.=A0 This afternoon, after wor= k, I will try the new patch through my K10's and adjust for live use.
One win and one loss last night.
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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Sanne de= Waard <sanne@waard.= de> wrote:
I use t= he MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos:=A0http://www.yout= ube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike = Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Any sound samples?=A0 I don't think the POD HD synths will work well.= =A0 They are just to glitchy even with just vocals.=A0 The bass octaver has= a good bottom end, but is muddy.=A0 The synth route really intrigues me, b= ut without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lo= l.

There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox format..= .that is something I would need for live use.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8= :50 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote:
Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lot = of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Inst= ead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The resu= lts actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver.

Hardware: http://= www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: htt= p://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne
This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.

Also, =A0a few years back when Elliot Smith died, =A0my wife and I helped o= ut his estate
by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really
well live for vocals.

It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was a= n earlier Peavey model.

rick walker




--90e6ba6137565f08f004b8744f7a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 14:18:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31529183466; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 720867448/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.184.24/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.184.24 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANKDMk9V0rgY/2dsb2JhbAAMNrJnAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAReHYbJyi0sBBAIBAgIJBAENBAYBCgICAwYCBAIBBAICHAECAYJ0AQIJAgIBAwEDBAQCBgcEAgEBCgF8AgoCIYMdBJpyjRg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,383,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="720867448" Message-ID: <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:17:44 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the > computer will not only create this interference, but include it on > playback (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the > bass part will probably yield similar results). So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 14:22:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA012183477; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=LXJHuARPDCmEbGH1r49/3fWK4Wl0PU94e+HfVbgtQ2Q=; b=TmCdogDpkDYfeRd0Hwm/t0IAfPNjgHnpkdMQHEyswpWF71k5pKQerhpCJqimxt1/HQ Tcw9DgKPRTfit8m81l+8sqEdK8wrqwnB2jxByfLrZoE5EouB6UEHUSbjpIEEk/gu/4Lc S0RO1Y3QfSae9NREq/h3XIzKP8KYKsXDwDVbU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:21:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2343a35bde1f04b8749f83 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:22:16 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2343a35bde1f04b8749f83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn't there. I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or smart phone). ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > Mike Fugazzi wrote: > > I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >> probably yield similar results). >> > > So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? > > > > andy > > --e89a8f2343a35bde1f04b8749f83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No.=A0 That's the thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the= Blackjack to listen previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the= house, I used the computer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't = matter how I record, I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it app= ears if I use the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't = hear it or it isn't there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutle= r@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy


--e89a8f2343a35bde1f04b8749f83-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 14:49:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6641C18345C; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 127977.55047.bm@omp1069.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1SvHk1FMq6vA0buLLmRm+UCBCMGQCDlkvsM2yLrPRkrZvCbRQwd0Xt6JdDbw14ujwZhfRAMdsMUJ72A/wcpzGD6k5W3M0HyFyRlH2AydknRXXnR7svm/tT9O1rqgMIWYgkX1LKvsj6YPfkbkdoABLsXr//BOW+ZxXs+wGI4kmjU= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328712536; bh=ijdSifisOme4yuLGlZXXFYMwGpQXggGtB1Wsv4ab8B4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ci0TTIGCaKYlBc+x2tfsxiQoMSik7bmSWfohDal6HLZNJf1PJ+oXGUkhG2YQ9G+aQLBtw8bfTXj32lwftiPff0Q6MjXUrZflMahAvqpNDE2wQdzvUOoI9li4M47B3fCcNnl/0WwxApl0uzRziiTgm7LGZfE+6dpEzVETimNOevg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: tV_m9UsVM1nAvtfFHLMwed43QBPaJdfu8O2hdY5i_Mr0Zum 5RGzAtf6rEMKVdBff4uEBqIaC3jFKE0TP.vI35_1GEtoquesO5jVgP3fEjLW 77cRWTJJBD0liUAuEfAUfHo6tY7klz0aWwtId8PEAKWpjaMbYOGdojby4jiP 81qZ6RlCsH4PvpwdFJQj9kkdkmze6V84QQD8.lleuBVs6L3v3jOIuBjljSLh zXinRRwqhZhQfikOlZFCuJyO82FhYJgd6FYm7b0cA0aNzq__uI0BDsoO5MCb zhS0Mbp7L.BGsGRVtXQ8tNlaNtKFwqOlqd__mxc2CRSIPzuZ5I5Qr1sisgdc WDp6D1tva.SRjlFPwDQ2e4qB7SY5XEaP8eY3xifY3U5xBsI2JdIl6igzNF7V VLaobhS4jZU4UyEzgu6eY2wkR5JTIeOcw_sCm4YqKydM- X-Yahoo-SMTP: vCvpuYKswBAHuv5mMzHCTn6zTQ-- Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:49:07 -0500 (EST) From: montdh@yahoo.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Subject: Repeater v2.01 Through-put MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_0_1086030096.1328712548301" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:49:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_0_1086030096.1328712548301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was a member if this list a few years ago but had strayed from the path. I apologize for this 'drive-by' appeal but I need help. I've just sold my beloved Electrix Repeater v2.01. I used it on side chain from a mixer, completely wet to mix with the dry direct from the mixer. The buyer wants to run directly through the devise. She has manipulated the Wet/Dry mixture, but still can't hear what she is playing live, only what has been recorded. It has been too long since I worked with this function and, of course, I sent the v2.01 upgrade manual to her & can no longer refer to it myself. Does anyone know the appropriate settings or have a digital v2.01 manual? ------- Daniel Montgomery ------=_Part_0_1086030096.1328712548301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I was a member if this list a few years ago but had strayed from the path.  I apologize for this 'drive-by' appeal but I need help.

I've just sold my beloved Electrix Repeater v2.01.  I used it on side chain from a mixer, completely wet to mix with the dry direct from the mixer. The buyer wants to run directly through the devise.

She has manipulated the Wet/Dry mixture, but still can't hear what she is playing live, only what has been recorded.

It has been too long since I worked with this function and, of course, I sent the v2.01 upgrade manual to her & can no longer refer to it myself.

Does anyone know the appropriate settings or have a digital v2.01 manual?


-------
Daniel Montgomery

------=_Part_0_1086030096.1328712548301-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 14:53:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2265A183477; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8118c6bd-def4-49a1-8c96-364245daed19_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Repeater v2.01 Through-put Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:53:53 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2012 14:53:53.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[79D7CAE0:01CCE671] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:53:54 +0000 (UTC) --_8118c6bd-def4-49a1-8c96-364245daed19_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think it is in the repeater use group from what i know. Date: Wed=2C 8 Feb 2012 09:49:07 -0500 From: montdh@yahoo.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater v2.01 Through-put I was a member if this list a few years ago but had strayed from the path. = I apologize for this 'drive-by' appeal but I need help. I've just sold my beloved Electrix Repeater v2.01. I used it on side chain= from a mixer=2C completely wet to mix with the dry direct from the mixer. = The buyer wants to run directly through the devise. She has manipulated the Wet/Dry mixture=2C but still can't hear what she is= playing live=2C only what has been recorded. It has been too long since I worked with this function and=2C of course=2C = I sent the v2.01 upgrade manual to her & can no longer refer to it myself. Does anyone know the appropriate settings or have a digital v2.01 manual? ------- Daniel Montgomery = --_8118c6bd-def4-49a1-8c96-364245daed19_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i think it is in the repeater use group from what i know.



Date: Wed= =2C 8 Feb 2012 09:49:07 -0500
From: montdh@yahoo.com
To: Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Repeater v2.01 Through-put

I was= a member if this list a few years ago but had strayed from the path. = =3B I apologize for this 'drive-by' appeal but I need help.

I've jus= t sold my beloved Electrix Repeater v2.01. =3B I used it on side chain = from a mixer=2C completely wet to mix with the dry direct from the mixer. T= he buyer wants to run directly through the devise.

She has manipulat= ed the Wet/Dry mixture=2C but still can't hear what she is playing live=2C = only what has been recorded.

It has been too long since I worked wit= h this function and=2C of course=2C I sent the v2.01 upgrade manual to her = &=3B can no longer refer to it myself.

Does anyone know the appro= priate settings or have a digital v2.01 manual?
=


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Daniel Montgomery

= --_8118c6bd-def4-49a1-8c96-364245daed19_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 15:00:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62FCE183466; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=CCqE7lOQnjVJhakPn7fMXFfcMBR5mHHtHtHd1VIZoHQ9cNAADH845GTsZB+/weBE; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:59:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Repeater v2.01 Through-put Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-883409295==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7967a3ca4ac2854f7f433d3ec175d37221350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:00:12 +0000 (UTC) --============_-883409295==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hold down "STOP" while pressing the "OVERDUB" button to enable / disable the direct pass through... At 09:49 -0500 8/2/12, montdh@yahoo.com wrote: >I was a member if this list a few years ago but had strayed from the >path. I apologize for this 'drive-by' appeal but I need help. > >I've just sold my beloved Electrix Repeater v2.01. I used it on >side chain from a mixer, completely wet to mix with the dry direct >from the mixer. The buyer wants to run directly through the devise. > >She has manipulated the Wet/Dry mixture, but still can't hear what >she is playing live, only what has been recorded. > >It has been too long since I worked with this function and, of >course, I sent the v2.01 upgrade manual to her & can no longer refer >to it myself. > >Does anyone know the appropriate settings or have a digital v2.01 manual? > > >------- >Daniel Montgomery -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-883409295==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Repeater v2.01 Through-put
Hold down "STOP" while pressing the "OVERDUB" button to enable / disable the direct pass through...

At 09:49 -0500 8/2/12, montdh@yahoo.com wrote:
I was a member if this list a few years ago but had strayed from the path.  I apologize for this 'drive-by' appeal but I need help.

I've just sold my beloved Electrix Repeater v2.01.  I used it on side chain from a mixer, completely wet to mix with the dry direct from the mixer. The buyer wants to run directly through the devise.

She has manipulated the Wet/Dry mixture, but still can't hear what she is playing live, only what has been recorded.

It has been too long since I worked with this function and, of course, I sent the v2.01 upgrade manual to her & can no longer refer to it myself.

Does anyone know the appropriate settings or have a digital v2.01 manual?

-------
Daniel Montgomery


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-883409295==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 15:04:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10CD3183464; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:04:04 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: "Dragonfly Machines" New video on You Tube Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/2Tti3xyCDds. "Dragonfly Machines" is a live recording by Dr T, Video Mixing, Jim Hobbs, Alto Sax, and Eric Rosenthal drums. The piece was performed and recorded at Outpost 186, Cambridge MA, on Dec. 16, 2011. Boston is blessed with many fine jazz improvisers, and Jim and Eric are among the best. I had performed with Jim previously --- this was my first show with Eric. Enjoy our collective explorations. You are also invited to check out my still photography at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 15:14:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E359D18345D; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 791336.63690.bm@omp1045.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qLrX6cEhzACh7YiqmchT/ENvjo+YEAV2VwKUojYJ8kmKvkEVYbmDnrMR173HtUftBolOngBAUk3L3m5LcZQ5CwIPJ58QmGTwGaDFWN3MSxBmqAu6yPHEF/D5hbL0+RbeZFLlYTpzii/6yUXdWjgXxtQ2+wD1bsEvC2mgeSDbr9I= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328714071; bh=lBwUWpMpxxDUjyuQscIYd6t0h49kEkjoP3FfEveEuM4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lJbMhjJ5Lup3MfrWlKwikLbQfzHc1MTHtiCHzYlFyKwOAqgHnq9gPUq+oOKDo1APQfA0MlYovDUXNwzjhQgXVPEojnkqq6+qeKeX3HJi2cDSJMJYI92DpnZ1VtqRI0aOU+OVDLPTd3DCgX5QyQ3gZHKpuBVElESSbS92C+h/YYg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: P81w9.IVM1mVaqh3sz7p4BmW.odML_YhcG8PzslNpdvo3qh 0JD4dvbJ9rALz0cB7wiVLUQvd_P_nkYVoEca8._KGHqDC9MnbqreKA9.niLx 7dGXUbcQbyBkF8ebb7n.gFK4fK5F5UFF.DtxJeK_aBjLSuf5qlVol010F2S5 Mb1.DNA.FFVaYE8yut56Tb2f7SSdLycRFqRPnhhrxvkl_8PA6c0wOZzaVfds brGFHvGovlN2PHx6ovV5G2ieZq.0qUTeP4mCElWNJTA04Qv4RlBs7TyVwiJA mTnq4r_Ptr4oXERYncag4e_unSXVz2XAjJoykZfKP5Atw_eLPKvyG.PNPqIX Uf3airhggi9K71.1uFpxBdugbwa6pTOnYEWPLEeLgkq8spGjU5vt8TAC6VzH zoTzgtI3v8iVH.A5QBPDR4L3SLfhFa9E0CHGgYG3njQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: vCvpuYKswBAHuv5mMzHCTn6zTQ-- Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:14:07 -0500 (EST) From: montdh@yahoo.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater v2.01 Through-put MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1_1079833616.1328714047764" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:14:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1_1079833616.1328714047764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Charles Zwicky Hold down "STOP" while pressing the "OVERDUB" button to enable / disable the direct pass through... ---------- That would do it. Thank you, Charles. I'll pass it on to her and see if it answers her concern. Daniel Montgomery ------=_Part_1_1079833616.1328714047764 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Zwicky

Hold down "STOP" while pressing the "OVERDUB" button to enable / disable the direct pass through...


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That would do it.   Thank you, Charles.  I'll pass it on to her and see if it answers her concern.

Daniel Montgomery

------=_Part_1_1079833616.1328714047764-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 15:52:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BA91183466; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gll5EYLN0QtF9Auc9D/BitlAPsaRRiIKJEWfGh2r7lE=; b=AIg0YrgL9oZz530KORoMxGRhINn9Uj3yoRz9sA1xS7KEnafHg8xe1pgkXAEWT8zl0Y vVV2yfAxMaFBB7ldpSjpvbwxV8YyCg7O6bGBkiQBeP6LzWYLIFBiVscE95OuZGpF5D7T yE4ltnVWyZjyoggcZdhECVTGFv9t2kH7MDifo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:52:57 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of loop From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8edea9d0d704b875e3f7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:52:58 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8edea9d0d704b875e3f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok, somehow i missed this story in the BF loop talk....what a great story (2nd paragraph). the image of seeing BF at a guitar center just seems so bizarre to me....i guess it's b/c i think i go to my local one (which is 40 min north of me in another town!) about 2x a yr if i'm lucky! funny story. i guess the one thing about BF is that he just plays such a variety of guitars, never really sticks w/ one specific brand, and always sounds like him....watching the vids, i may have to check out the EH freeze a bit closer.... s--- re: Title: *Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of loop* I first discovered Bill Frisell on an Eberhard Weber record called "Fluid Rustle" in the late 1970s. Back then what he was doing was pretty revolutionary.. he played in a deceptively simple style and use the most minimal chord voicings I'd ever heard. Most of all, his tone was not the "accepted" tone of any "Jass" or "Fuzak" guitarist, but rather more like a pedal steel: clean, sometimes spikey.. When I finally saw him perform live (with Eberhard Weber and Lyle Mays, after Weber's "Later That Evening" record") I could see that the sinewy tone he had developed was bourne out of necessity, he was playing an early 1960 Les Paul Jr (the "SG" looking models) and flexing the instrument to deal with that particular instrument's intonation and tuning issues. This gave him his characteristic "pitch swarble" that so many of his followers imitate by using their whammy bars, the the single P-90 pickup added to the steel guitar impression, too. Over the years I've gotten to know Bill and have had some great discussions, his daughter is a gifted photographer, BTW. Most recently I ran into Bill (literally) as we were both bee-lining it for a 1963 "SG' Lespaul Jr hanging on the wall at the Guitar Center on 14th street in Manhattan. We were each so focused on the instrument that we collided, paused for a second, stunned and I heard "Chuck!!" coming from above (Bill is a rather large man, and well over 6 feet tall, and I'm probably a foot shorter and 200lbs lighter), I looked up: "Bill!" I smiled, "Were you going for that SG Jr?" "Yes..!" he answered... I mentioned that the first time I saw him play that's the guitar he was using, he mentioned that he had loved that instrument. I mentioned the Weber gig and he pondered "What amp was I using then?".. we both answered at the same time and had the same look of disbelief at the memory: "A* Lab Series*... wow...". Anyone who's played through one of those amps will understand the disbelief... ;-) -Chuck Zwicky --90e6ba6e8edea9d0d704b875e3f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, somehow i missed this story in the BF loop talk....what a great story (= 2nd paragraph). the image of seeing BF at a guitar center just seems so biz= arre to me....i guess it's b/c i think i go to my local one (which is 4= 0 min north of me in another town!)
about 2x a yr if i'm lucky! funny story. i guess the one thing about BF= is that he just plays such a variety of guitars, never really sticks w/ on= e specific brand, and always sounds like him....watching the vids, i may ha= ve to check out the EH freeze a bit closer....
s---


re:
Title: Re: Bill Frisell a master at= work.. some great use of loop
I first discovered Bill Frisell on an Eberhard Weber record called "Fluid Rustle" in the late 1970s.=A0 Back then what he was doing was pretty revolutionary..=A0 he played in a deceptively simple style and use the most minimal=A0 chord voicings I'd ever heard.=A0=A0 Most of all, his tone was not the=A0 "accepted" tone of any "Jass" or "Fuzak" guitarist, but rather more like a pedal steel: clean, sometimes spikey..=A0=A0 When I finally saw him perform live (with Eberhard Weber and Lyle Mays, after Weber's "Later That Evening&qu= ot; record") I could see that the sinewy tone he had developed was bourne out of necessity, he was playing an early 1960 Les Paul Jr (the "SG" looking models) and flexing the instrument to deal with that particular instrument's intonation and tuning issues.=A0 This gave him his characteristic "pitch swarble" that so many of his followers imitate by using their whammy bars, the the single P-90 pickup added to the steel guitar impression, too.

Over the years I've gotten to know Bill and have had some great discussions, his daughter is a gifted photographer, BTW.=A0=A0 Most recently I ran into Bill (literally) as we were both bee-lining it for a 1963 "SG' Lespaul Jr hanging on the wall at the Guitar Center on 14th street in Manhattan.=A0=A0 We were each so focused on the instrument that we collided, paused for a second, stunned and I heard "Chuck!!" coming from above (Bill is a rather large man, and well over 6 feet tall, and I'm probably a foot shorter and 200lbs lighter), I=A0 looked up: "Bill!" I smiled, "Were you going for that SG Jr?"=A0 "Yes..!" he answered...=A0 I mentioned that the first time I saw him play that's the guitar he was using, he mentioned that he had loved that instrument.=A0 I mentioned the Weber gig and he pondered "What amp was I using then?".. we both answered at the same time and had the same look of disbelief at the memory: "A Lab Series...=A0 wow...".=A0=A0 Anyone who's played through one of those amps will understand the disbelief... ;-)

-Chuck Zwicky
--90e6ba6e8edea9d0d704b875e3f7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 16:47:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 220E6183474; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=T+ut9YOH+26PUDTSYHbP4cOz4GlNDPAMIKqgrFBHnHo=; b=Nt3qb0g9WhWKD/hUPmrx5Kkwdqe7HPNIygNHmnExhbDmRjCYD+kgRhR36sxxjD/5eO SPe7RNk1eAaUEA/dQtx8QopvdMU1Uc19vZIH6BGerqxqdP2ZB6+7Wx9VTwsBvfU/XON5 maYUSL9GT+qB9BB01jEOf6/6pWjlTJBiXmYK0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:47:32 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba211f1becbed604b876a6b6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:47:34 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba211f1becbed604b876a6b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How often and long would you recommend practice? Sorry Im a bit of a looping noob lol. On Feb 7, 2012 11:56 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Try compose the music first and then set up some looping gadgets and > other nifty routing to perform this particular music. That's how Zoe > got into looping. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:28 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > I loop using FL Studio hosting mobius using 6 tracks in mobius. I'm > trying > > to further my music beyond the sound of it just being a loop with some > FX. I > > listen to Zoe Keating's music and its as if I cant even tell it's looping > > because of its musicallity. I want to be able to do something like that, > but > > with more of an electronic music style. Any tips to practice and have fun > > while Im at it? > > --90e6ba211f1becbed604b876a6b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How often and long would you recommend practice? Sorry Im a bit of a loo= ping noob lol.

On Feb 7, 2012 11:56 PM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Try compose the music first and then set up some looping gadgets and
other nifty routing to perform this particular music. That's how Zoe got into looping.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:28 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> I loop using FL Studio hosting mobius using 6 tracks in mobius. I'= m trying
> to further my music beyond the sound of it just being a loop with some= FX. I
> listen to Zoe Keating's music and its as if I cant even tell it= 9;s looping
> because of its musicallity. I want to be able to do something like tha= t, but
> with more of an electronic music style. Any tips to practice and have = fun
> while Im at it?

--90e6ba211f1becbed604b876a6b6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 17:15:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA46B183464; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=w6q19o3+Bn0J1tk7w/HOmu7sTVgk+tw54WlfqMXPoIY=; b=sx6pZCHxGIoNfIWuqupJF1p+kOwgTJSR7+xoLjIP2D7ZOXjjgyOzbhsQPn2PsQ4PQK tyPulUBIzKL98LICrXJ2M4jbgyLKRSdZ54hvXgIbzDbaxsIPlLzYLlZAcrj7gllUBrQi l8uF/QBfmmnvCPuFvLUunDoPc7doyOZmnd7nU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:15:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Practice what? Just practice whatever aspect of music making until you get a decent flow and don't have to think twice. For me it's more about spending time with different instruments (including electronics setups, like live looping) and explore what I am NOT capable of doing. Then I'll do my best to avoid those areas (or make a statement by destroying them) when making music. I think your goal must be to create just as exiting music when practicing at home as you try do do when on stage. Not sure if I would really call that "practicing"... he, he.. maybe "practicing performing" ;-) As for the weird looping I sometimes do you don't grow better *doing it* all over (is in the common meaning of "practicing"). What makes you better could be lying on a sofa thinking music and checking that you instantly know how to physically create the sounds you're thinking about when in front of your hands-on gear. Experience, knowledge and the excitement of inspiration is way more important. But of course, if you notice that your fingers don't move fast enough to the button you know you need to press to make your vision come true - then you would of course have to do some boring nerve and muscle training to form the body into a decent instrument. But when doing that you really have to be careful to not develop fixed chops! As soon as you master one thing you have to leave it and practice something else, or you run the risk of broilerizing yourself and fry your music ;-) Per On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:47 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > How often and long would you recommend practice? Sorry Im a bit of a looping > noob lol. > > On Feb 7, 2012 11:56 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> Try compose the music first and then set up some looping gadgets and >> other nifty routing to perform this particular music. That's how Zoe >> got into looping. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:28 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> > I loop using FL Studio hosting mobius using 6 tracks in mobius. I'm >> > trying >> > to further my music beyond the sound of it just being a loop with some >> > FX. I >> > listen to Zoe Keating's music and its as if I cant even tell it's >> > looping >> > because of its musicallity. I want to be able to do something like that, >> > but >> > with more of an electronic music style. Any tips to practice and have >> > fun >> > while Im at it? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 17:30:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB0A183475; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:30:51 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Every day. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:47 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > How often and long would you recommend practice? Sorry Im a bit of a > looping > noob lol. > > On Feb 7, 2012 11:56 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> Try compose the music first and then set up some looping gadgets and >> other nifty routing to perform this particular music. That's how Zoe >> got into looping. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:28 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> > I loop using FL Studio hosting mobius using 6 tracks in mobius. I'm >> > trying >> > to further my music beyond the sound of it just being a loop with some >> > FX. I >> > listen to Zoe Keating's music and its as if I cant even tell it's >> > looping >> > because of its musicallity. I want to be able to do something like >> > that, >> > but >> > with more of an electronic music style. Any tips to practice and have >> > fun >> > while Im at it? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 18:07:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88909183463; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aI/5for/UfP+aiVHP1QDjlMUI9sGGP44cXxlcDOIw6Y=; b=ecDJTmbTYYfZcOKwvqJa5c7ccNeea4xYKduxlLg7GAdHlhk9xC9FHwsd+i9HFx9ZWY 8ZL8yVc40XthpEc0lqWfQWRzOtoRhCL11Q9ZYRpEvrucqYb8tLYT0q+vU96hosi8rfy2 kzh40CReFvhGUOPqFFw9bB0/YvRDtL8iNPr7U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:07:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: OT/Spam: Rane sm82 1u stereo mixer From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:07:06 +0000 (UTC) I've seen some interest in these on here. Very useful for stereo/image splitting. I can post pictures if anyone's interested. Maybe, $110 ship/pp from KS? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 20:55:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF9C5183475; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YnKdOZ5sGFkFeKx0dDMVo26ZHINDJPTKUlCnbcBlKvY=; b=DGHyqLSu9oE0urxeCakcPgCjsaukgtgIwiQoPp1v4F8nk9Z37fw+kmY03mgfxWuqNe q7Q9h1xIdGsGvnyan/72TtX+K6D3BLaqd3g1/h7HQP7ndfo6u4KP7lWPFs89jAxJeWoB FC9QH9OBJlh5oulHW06qgF7DN14R6cWMdOiCA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57906DFC-7456-4571-BB23-4D61409F1F22@charter.net> References: <57906DFC-7456-4571-BB23-4D61409F1F22@charter.net> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:55:06 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CT-Collective feature on KUSF in Exile tonight From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:55:07 +0000 (UTC) http://www.kusf-archives.com/2012/02/kusf-in-exile-020812-midnight-1-am-matt.html On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > Wish I could listen Matt...but it's past my bedtime. > > On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I mentioned last week that I'm now a KUSF in Exile DJ, doing a 1 hour >> show each week, and that this week I was going to do a feature on the >> CT-Collective. Well, that's tonight at midnight PST. >> >> You can listen here: >> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile >> >> And then a downloadable podcast will be here later this week: >> http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 22:40:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33A45183464; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=o1TLYnwtHgd76avoePIuJ5q1zmJUrZQYAZoHNflZMpg=; b=mbCbUCv2c/31LLC2K3TIBMim5U5B8hE1MOf4EqbDEZ4Mh8LhQeV1DRIYeX1B47X1p6 2M2Ew3Zd1eoc1w9II3NxM6/+ban+nzUjELyNSLx/u6HN9MR3879Q9X3pMuKJA1BvdWXs HC9Ll9+uY9MuS02OJMMyCjZh6OT9xcLoOkpvg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57906DFC-7456-4571-BB23-4D61409F1F22@charter.net> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:40:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CT-Collective feature on KUSF in Exile tonight From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307cfd1276633d04b87b9376 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:40:02 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307cfd1276633d04b87b9376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt wow just noted that you are playing a piece from ReUse featuring the track by Ted. I produced ReUse in 2009. Thanks very much for including this in your cast. I'm listening at present. Jim On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Matt Davignon wrote= : > > http://www.kusf-archives.com/2012/02/kusf-in-exile-020812-midnight-1-am-m= att.html > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Killian > wrote: > > Wish I could listen Matt...but it's past my bedtime. > > > > On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I mentioned last week that I'm now a KUSF in Exile DJ, doing a 1 hour > >> show each week, and that this week I was going to do a feature on the > >> CT-Collective. Well, that's tonight at midnight PST. > >> > >> You can listen here: > >> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile > >> > >> And then a downloadable podcast will be here later this week: > >> http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > >> > >> -- > >> Matt Davignon > >> mattdavignon@gmail.com > >> www.ribosomemusic.com > >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307cfd1276633d04b87b9376 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Matt wow just noted that you are playing a piece from ReUse featuring = the track by Ted.=A0 I produced ReUse in=A02009.=A0 Thanks very much for in= cluding this in your cast.=A0 I'm listening at present.
=A0
Jim

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM,= Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.kusf-archives.com/2012/02/k= usf-in-exile-020812-midnight-1-am-matt.html

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
> Wish I could listen Matt...but it's past my bedtime.
>
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Matt Davignon wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I mentioned last week that I'm now a KUSF in Exile DJ, doing a= 1 hour
>> show each week, and that this week I was going to do a feature on = the
>> CT-Collective. Well, that's tonight at midnight PST.
>>
>> You can listen here:
>> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile
>>
>> And then a downloadable podcast will be here later this week:
>> ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>>
>> --
>> Matt Davignon
>> mattdavignon@gmail.com
>> www.rib= osomemusic.com
>> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt
>



--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
http= ://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt




--
--=A0<= /div>
Tips Across the Waters, a = new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--20cf307cfd1276633d04b87b9376-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 23:00:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A253183466; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F32FE95.8050305@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:00:37 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Davignon CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: CT-Collective feature on KUSF in Exile tonight References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:00:46 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > http://www.kusf-archives.com/2012/02/kusf-in-exile-020812-midnight-1-am-matt.html > > Thanks for representing for us, Matt. How did you feel the show went? yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 23:07:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5F9F183464; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F330014.70906@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:07:00 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Creating a more flexible setup References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:07:10 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > How often and long would you recommend practice? Sorry Im a bit of a > looping noob lol. I'm tempted to say, "as long as it takes" until you are satisfied, but I tell my looping students to set a five minute clock and do 6, 5 minute pieces in a 30 minute time span, once a day. You do that for a couple of weeks and you'll start having some cool new 'chops'. Also, and I think I've said this before, change it up. 1) write from a chord progression 2) write from a drum beat up 3) write from a bass line 4) use a single scale, mode, rag or maqam and switch it up from improv to improv 5) use only sound design as a point of departure 6) make a piece that has no structure or that has loops that don't syncrhonize 7) turn around and make a piece that is highly rhythmic and structured 8) pick up an instrument or two that you DON'T know how to play and learn how to play enough of it to make a single loop 9) play fast tempi............very, very slow tempi. Change it up but work quickly and work continuously........in other words, keep to the discipline of the 5 minute piece that has to be followed immediately by another one. All of these things work well for stimulating both your creativity and stimulating your growth, both as a looper, technically and as a composer. good luck, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 23:28:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91DEF183473; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=LVb5dKr1GLEA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=ovr68QXPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=rCrPF-ZNAAAA:8 a=o0ZD21Z9AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=kGL4f-nDAAAA:20 a=mhiBkV4FolYMApNizmcA:9 a=a_d8I_0iGnTFIlSUQcQA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=W13wrNDKK9QA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <7351f041.278f7a.1355f4bad7b.Webtop.49@charter.net> Subject: Re: CT-Collective feature on KUSF in Exile tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 49 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9BdqHC.A.fmE.KUwMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Matt, Thanks for making this archivally available to old fogies like me who go to bed earlier than midnight. I had no inkling that you'd be playing my piece. I was just wanting to catch all the other cool CT stuff and get your "take" on it as show host. Gosh, thanks for playing my piece. I know there are many other (more) worthy pieces on the CT- ReUse project. Thanks for hoosing mine. Cheers, Ted On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > > http://www.kusf-archives.com/2012/02/kusf-in-exile-020812-midnight-1-am-matt.html > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Killian > wrote: >> Wish I could listen Matt...but it's past my bedtime. >> >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I mentioned last week that I'm now a KUSF in Exile DJ, doing a 1 >>> hour >>> show each week, and that this week I was going to do a feature on >>> the >>> CT-Collective. Well, that's tonight at midnight PST. >>> >>> You can listen here: >>> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile >>> >>> And then a downloadable podcast will be here later this week: >>> http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >>> >>> -- >>> Matt Davignon >>> mattdavignon@gmail.com >>> www.ribosomemusic.com >>> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >> > > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 00:51:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CAEA183463; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 00:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g5sp0XcIoGcgPQzUgrcIWpxh8ixJY2UdfLwSPw0C9/M=; b=vPxQ3QZZRXinX9kfr5eFz9cfVvBnkIMy8LUh3h/jmJ/JTUaa0CcELydduCcMUFYYil qXecF56MkVpBQ4Ow6GpH+KE1rGV8FLCZ2l0W8+8kda3tqYUoXjM6ko/m2Rkppm2Vih6K xA+daft+m+n6Ngi6PuniEcZuVX8ebosdDjCYI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7351f041.278f7a.1355f4bad7b.Webtop.49@charter.net> References: <7351f041.278f7a.1355f4bad7b.Webtop.49@charter.net> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:51:23 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CT-Collective feature on KUSF in Exile tonight From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 00:51:24 +0000 (UTC) I have to admit - I record my show in advance on a multitracking program and send it to them. I usually feel pretty happy about posting them. Listening to them after the fact always makes me realize that while I may have a great face for radio, my voice is best suited for silent pictures. Last night was the first time I listened to it "live". It's usually past my bedtime too. I'll probably do another CT-Collective feature sometime down the line. There was lots of stuff that I wanted to play but ran out of time for. It looks like the downloadable version is now up at http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com, with 6 trailing episodes. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:28 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wr= ote: > Matt, > > Thanks for making this archivally available to old fogies like me who go = to > bed earlier than midnight. > > I had no inkling that you'd be playing my piece. > > I was just wanting to catch all the other cool CT stuff and get your "tak= e" > on it as show host. > > Gosh, thanks for playing my piece. > > I know there are many other (more) worthy pieces on the CT- ReUse project= . > > Thanks for hoosing mine. > > Cheers, > > Ted > > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > >> >> >> http://www.kusf-archives.com/2012/02/kusf-in-exile-020812-midnight-1-am-= matt.html >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Killian >> wrote: >>> >>> Wish I could listen Matt...but it's past my bedtime. >>> >>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I mentioned last week that I'm now a KUSF in Exile DJ, doing a 1 hour >>>> show each week, and that this week I was going to do a feature on the >>>> CT-Collective. Well, that's tonight at midnight PST. >>>> >>>> You can listen here: >>>> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile >>>> >>>> And then a downloadable podcast will be here later this week: >>>> http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >>>> >>>> -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 02:07:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DE95183463; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 02:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=paLUQYkI6YEkfRAgjm7v+q7xDVqjRruxK8QYuufj64w=; b=g9oTHFakkbZIe/45x9OvpeOTDT6vio1vYKAMbkFqTXAO8MrJoyjus24UX6q+ynY4ig fCHrQpFz7MP7fjpcVRMf1hkA4bsNXLfylfCDm270uHJA5gvOAy7uX974ZrtOYJ8pQ6fY zstmZW4gAbqfuOP5vkD1OeAYy7EKKwGH775JI= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Todd Matthews Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 21:06:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Cool vocal looping in a band context vid To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce03856ce348f04b87e7734 Resent-Message-ID: <0hHeZB.A.iDG.IpyMPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 02:07:04 +0000 (UTC) --000e0ce03856ce348f04b87e7734 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Stumbled upon this you tube vid and I thought the vocal looping used in a band context served the song well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i1mr9amqeg Should I post stuff like this to the mailing list or just to the facebook group? Not sure if it was decided yet how you guys like your video sharing links served. -- Todd Matthews toddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 --000e0ce03856ce348f04b87e7734 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Stumbled upon this you tube vid and I thought the vocal looping used in a band context served the song well.


Should I post stuff like this to the mailing list or just to the facebook group? Not sure if it was decided yet how you guys like your video sharing links served.


--
Todd Matthews
Twitter: gtodd876

--000e0ce03856ce348f04b87e7734-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 05:03:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B263F183463; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=APXp9avKlMXcjfjabjG4OW3kwKSOm4XbmB8dMWx2kA4=; b=EWNKqtOXDUSwbXKPNbZK2geI5VNu0drHWx6+790lQyEONrlW9Pcf61XWV0KRDwZsPI 5fSWmj18QHU98ybQ3TI1IKZ2wLJsIkC6azSu8ZXHLm0hObPArxSwBn35JLaol+/wGiuU Xe0vHo3klAjgPRCBcyAVHXJd2jOfrrYmXgfhI= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: RC-300 From: Joaquim Carvalho In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:03:22 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi. Has anyone that is familiar with the RC-50 tested the RC-300? Joaquim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 07:36:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C205183466; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=e37mXqv1J6qUJO8eYwhb6prT7MPgrnIeHh2NH28h43k=; b=AvNJhGZKNTFhDGTBJYQMnUEeqFf94KYpTZEyEDFdx5AuHxbpf4seJss/UMPRC/ROg7 s6kzPLyGs8zpZoLriYVJYdxuxO3do4EUonJm+fhkgD1xUDhbc+Z+2QRD9UBwaaABhVa7 oPJeqt/COgs/vYPIHUvyAQkKTCdz0DZ5kORUc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:36:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup From: Johannes Korn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043086c07ee27404b8831185 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:36:22 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043086c07ee27404b8831185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2012/2/8 Per Boysen > For me it's more > about spending time with different instruments (including electronics > setups, like live looping) and explore what I am NOT capable of doing. > Then I'll do my best to avoid those areas (or make a statement by > destroying them) when making music. I recently stumbled upon a video by Steve Vai, where he makes a similar point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atGBKuCJ-Jc&hd=1&fs=1 Develop your strengths, because that's what you're good at and what you will enjoy doing. All the best, Johannes -- jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --f46d043086c07ee27404b8831185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2012/2/8 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
=A0For me it's more
about spending time with different instruments (including electronics
setups, like live looping) and explore what I am NOT capable of doing.
Then I'll do my best to avoid those areas (or make a statement by
destroying them) when making music.

I recen= tly stumbled upon a video by Steve Vai, where he makes a similar point:=A0<= a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DatGBKuCJ-Jc&hd=3D1&fs=3D= 1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DatGBKuCJ-Jc&hd=3D1&fs=3D1= =A0Develop your strengths, because that's what you're good at and w= hat you will enjoy doing.

=A0All the best,
Johannes
--

--f46d043086c07ee27404b8831185-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 08:09:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCF65183473; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=9NMkrx4VXqadMDhw9Uk5OK5nAv+uVg15KRiakjFso6k=; b=d/Z+1HN7/0sx+2/yHtKmr5y5RDS12N9d+SixJtVZkhr7BPNpW18GjQobFHYXP8mM2r 6Y0UnXY06UvsFQeUInBeUFg9ofbKGRehiRmvJpvX/vgNfT4E0URDpMaJNRrBHnpQ9odG 6dN5i7YCHjK1B5hptr4HxAoqUj8nbJwYrNABE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 03:09:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cool vocal looping in a band context vid To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ee737e949404b8838711 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:09:21 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ee737e949404b8838711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've been following Kimbra since that video was first posted. An amazing performer. I'd love to see her live to see what she does in that setting! On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > Stumbled upon this you tube vid and I thought the vocal looping used in a > band context served the song well. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i1mr9amqeg > > Should I post stuff like this to the mailing list or just to the facebook > group? Not sure if it was decided yet how you guys like your video sharing > links served. > > > -- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > Twitter: gtodd876 > > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --f46d0444ee737e949404b8838711 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been following Kimbra since that video was first posted. An amazin= g performer. I'd love to see her live to see what she does in that sett= ing!

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Todd= Matthews <gtm= atthews@gmail.com> wrote:
Stumbled upon this you tube vid and I though= t the vocal looping used in a band context served the song well.


Should I post stuff like this to the mailing list or ju= st to the facebook group? Not sure if it was decided yet how you guys like = your video sharing links served.


--
Todd Matthews
Twitter: gtodd876




-- Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376
--f46d0444ee737e949404b8838711-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 08:58:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5B2183464; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:58:05 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1913770717==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120209084945.21824.23950.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:49:48 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: just discovered Looper's Delight Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1913770717== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20loopers.=20This=20is=20Tyler.=20I=20have=20been=20a=20loop=20fan= =20since=202010,=20and=20I've=20fantasized=20 about=20loops=20all=20my=20life.=20My=20loopy=20life=20can=20notably=20be= =20traced=20back=20to=202006=20(though=20there=20were=20 accounts=20of=20looping=20before=20that)=20I=20had=20this=20dream=20about= =20the=20Transylvania=20Polka=20(from=20Sesame=20Street),=20 or=20should=20I=20say=20a=20wacky=20remix=20of=20it.=20In=20the=20original,= =20you=20hear=20a=20seven-second=20intro=20full=20of=20 violins.=20The=20intro=20ends=20on=20a=20third-octave=20A=20(on=20a=20piano= =20scale),=20the=20orchestra=20stops,=20the=20 violin=20continues,=20and=20then=20the=20orchestral=20music=20continues=20a= gain.=20Well,=20in=20the=20dream,=20the=20whole=20song=20was=20 sped=20up=20two=20clicks,=20making=20the=20A=20I=20was=20talking=20about=20= a=20B.=20The=20B=20looped=20and=20looped=20and=20looped=20 (in=20the=20remix=20in=20my=20dream),=20but=20the=20looping=20was=20so=20su= btle=20that,=20if=20you=20didn't=20know=20the=20original=20song,=20you=20 would=20think=20it=20was=20a=20long=20note=20originally.=20I'm=20wondering= =20how=20a=20loop=20like=20that=20in=20audio=20editing=20would=20work.=20 Turning=20a=20one-second-long=20note=20into=20a=20one-minute-long=20note=20= by=20making=20sixty=20subtle=20loops.=20That=20 was=20just=20the=20beginning=20of=20looping=20for=20me.=20In=202006,=20I=20= became=20a=20computer=20person=20(especially=20working=20with=20 HTML=20and=20Javascript=20at=20the=20time).=20In=20HTML,=20I=20had=20BGSOUN= D=20(background=20sound)=20tags=20that=20 I=20could=20loop=20within=20my=20web=20browser.=20Also,=20in=20Javascript,= =20I=20could=20do=20programming=20loops=20(not=20sound=20 loops),=20which=20I=20think=20is=20an=20important=20part=20of=20looping=20c= ulture=20for=20people=20in=20the=20computer=20business.=20In=20 2007,=20I=20made=20apps=20that=20extensively=20used=20program=20looping.=20= And=20that=20was=20my=20kind=20of=20loop=20back=20 then.=20In=202010,=20I=20started=20to=20get=20to=20know=20Lizzie,=20another= =20blind=20musician=20I=20know.=20She=20is=20a=20big=20 fan=20of=20Imogen=20Heap,=20and=20she=20started=20talking=20about=20Jason= =20Derulo's=20song=20"Whatcha=20Say,"=20which=20has=20 an=20Imogen=20Heap=20sample=20in=20it.=20It=20is=20a=20remix,=20full=20of= =20loops.=20As=20the=20original=20song=20said=20 "What=20did=20she=20say?"=20The=20remix=20went,=20"What-what-what-what-what= =20did=20she=20say?"=20in=20an=20 audio-editing,=20copy,=20copy,=20paste,=20paste=20loop=20fashion.=20It=20wa= s=20then=20that=20Lizzie=20invented=20the=20term=20 "Oh=20my=20loop!"=20It=20was=20originally=20an=20exclamation=20of=20surpris= e,=20uttered=20when=20you=20heard=20a=20loop=20 remix=20version=20of=20a=20song=20when=20you=20were=20expecting=20the=20ori= ginal.=20"Oh=20my=20loop!=20He=20replaced=20the=20 Transylvania=20Polka=20in=20my=20collection=20with=20a=20remix=20version!",= =20for=20example.=20But,=20as=20loop=20fans,=20 she=20and=20I=20use=20"Oh=20my=20loop"=20for=20things=20that=20have=20nothi= ng=20to=20do=20with=20loops.=20Kind=20of=20a=20looping=20community=20slang= =20 term,=20instead=20of=20"Oh=20my=20gosh"=20or=20anything=20like=20it,=20we= =20use=20"Oh=20my=20loop,"=20and=20for=20extreme=20shock,=20 "Oh=20my=20heaping=20loop!"=20So=20I=20should=20have=20joined=20the=20loopi= ng=20community=20in=20a=20mailing-list=20sort=20of=20way=20 back=20then,=20but=20I=20didn't=20know=20about=20it.=20In=202011,=20Lizzie= =20and=20I=20discovered=20a=20"tape=20sample"=20(a=20 recording=20that=20was=20originally=20recorded=20on=20tape,=20but=20convert= ed=20to=20digital)=20on=20some=20sound=20effect=20CD.=20 It=20sounded=20like=20a=20rewinding=20tape.=20Her=20sound-editing=20twin=20= brother,=20Michael,=20reversed=20the=20sound,=20so=20it=20 sounded=20like=20the=20tape=20was=20fast-forwarding.=20Then,=20he=20slowed= =20it=20down=20until=20it=20sounded=20like=20playing=20speed.=20They=20 discovered=20some=20mysterious=20music=20that=20could=20probably=20be=20hea= rd=20nowhere=20else.=20We=20all=20referred=20to=20the=20 melody=20as=20"Tape=20Sample."=20Throughout=20it,=20there=20were=20chords= =20that=20repeated=20a=20lot,=20and=20we=20called=20them=20 "tape=20loops."=20Lizzie=20thought=20that=20that=20was=20her=20word,=20"tap= e=20loop."=20But=20she=20found=20"tape=20loop"=20on=20 Wikipedia=20to=20be=20an=20actual=20loop=20of=20tape=20that=20creates=20a= =20traditional=20looping=20sound.=20Believe=20it=20 or=20not,=20after=20a=20few=20months,=20she=20got=20me=20addicted=20to=20ta= pes=20that=20looped,=20or=20digital=20units=20that=20act=20like=20 tapes=20(that=20happen=20to=20have=20a=20looping=20property).=20That's=20wh= en=20we=20became=20Morcheeba=20fans;=20Morcheeba=20 actually=20has=20a=20song=20called=20Tape=20Loop,=20the=20first=20line=20is: "Tape=20loop=20keeps=20on=20turnin'=20round=20forever." It=20actually=20begins=20with=20a=20"BLAM!"=20sound=20(like=20a=20bell)=20t= hat=20sounds=20like=20it=20is=20on=20a=20tape,=20and=20it=20sounds=20as=20 if=20it's=20looping.=20So,=20before=20I=20introduce=20Lizzie=20to=20Looper'= s=20Delight,=20let=20me=20tell=20you,=20I=20 already=20read=20the=20"good-old=20fashioned=20tape=20looping"=20article.= =20I=20am=20a=20comedy=20musician,=20and=20once=20in=20a=20 great=20while=20I=20do=20a=20remix.=20I'm=20both=20a=20comedian=20and=20a= =20remix=20artist,=20but=20you=20won't=20be=20hearing=20loops=20 (tape=20or=20no=20tape)=20on=20my=20first=20CD=20when=20it=20comes=20out.= =20You'll=20be=20hearing=20parodies=20(one=20of=20them=20will=20 probably=20be=20about=20loops).=20Maybe=20I=20should=20add=20a=20loop=20in= =20there.=20But,=20if=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20 "loop=20albums"=20are=20still=20out,=20I'll=20buy=20all=20the=20disks.=20Li= zzie=20(a=20big=20looper)=20might=20like=20this=20 site;=20I'll=20ask=20her=20if=20she=20wants=20a=20loopy=20listing.=20Out=20= of=20my=20dozens=20of=20Javascript-based=20 computer=20programs=20I=20have=20made=20over=20the=20years,=20I=20have=20tw= o=20Javascript-based=20computer=20programs=20that=20 I=20made=20for=20people=20that=20are=20feeling=20"loopy."=20One=20of=20them= =20is=20about=20audio,=20the=20other=20is=20just=20text-memory=20 cell=20loops.=20The=20first=20one=20(called=20Soundlap)=20asks=20the=20user= =20for=20the=20name=20of=20an=20audio=20file.=20After=20the=20 user=20responds,=20it=20asks=20how=20many=20media=20players=20the=20user=20= wants=20to=20open.=20If=20you=20open=2010=20media=20 players=20(referred=20to=20as=20the=20Manipulation=20Level),=20it=20will=20= open=20up=20ten=20media=20players=20and=20try=20to=20play=20 all=20ten=20copies=20at=20the=20same=20time.=20Usually,=20there's=20a=20del= ay,=20so=20you=20get=20an=20"overlap=20loop."=20The=20 third=20box=20is=20for=20the=20Submanipulation=20Level.=20It=20tells=20the= =20computer=20how=20many=20times=20each=20media=20player=20 should=20play=20it.=20(New=20feature).=20For=20example,=20if=20you=20open= =20ten=20media=20players=20and=20the=20Submanip=20is=20 set=20to=2020,=20it=20will=20play=20a=20size=20ten=20overlap=20loop=20twent= y=20times.=20That's=20a=20lot=20of=20loops!=20What=20 loop=20person=20doesn't=20like=20that?=20Now,=20for=20a=20program=20I=20cre= ated=20that=20a=20looper=20may=20or=20may=20not=20like.=20It=20 has=20nothing=20to=20do=20with=20sound,=20but=20there's=20still=20something= =20loopy=20going=20on.=20This=20program,=20called=20"tape=20loop"=20 (originally=20called=20"inside=20loop",=20I=20created=20it=20before=20I=20b= ecame=20a=20big-time=20looper),=20is=20all=20about=20 computations.=20It=20is=20called=20"tape=20loop"=20because=20I'm=20imaginin= g=20a=20digital=20tape=20deck,=20and=20the=20tape=20(which=20 is=20really=20a=20file)=20stores=20digital=20cells.=20When=20you=20open=20t= he=20program,=20you=20have=20a=20button=20between=20two=20 boxes;=20a=20sideways=20button=20sandwich.=20You=20type=20a=20number,=20say= ,=20100=20in=20the=20box.=20As=20you=20click=20 the=20button,=20watch=20the=20box=20on=20the=20right.=20From=20the=20time= =20you=20click=20the=20button=20to=20the=20time=20the=20right-side=20box=20 changes=20to=20a=20number=20(or=20changes=20to=20a=20different=20number),= =20the=20computer=20will=20have=20made=20100=20computations.=20 Amazingly,=20computers=20do=20that=20in=20an=20eighth=20of=20a=20second.=20= That's=20when=20you=20start=20playing=20with=20numbers=20like=2020000=20 (twenty=20thousand,=20and=20it=20takes=20about=20three=20seconds=20for=20th= e=20box=20to=20change.=20This=20program=20is=20considered=20part=20 of=20the=20Loop=20Series=20because=20the=20computations=20are=20like=20loop= s:=20When=20you=20type=2020000=20into=20the=20=20box,=20the=20number=20 starts=20with=201,=20and=20it=20keeps=20adding=20one=20to=20it,=20again,=20= again,=20again,=20again,=2020,000=20times.=20A=20loop!=20You=20don't=20 see=20the=20results=20of=20each=20loop=20(you=20just=20see=20a=20number=20c= hange=20when=20it's=20done=20looping),=20but=20the=20whole=20 point=20of=20the=20program=20is=20to=20test=20the=20speed=20of=20your=20com= puter=20(more=20specifically,=20the=20program=20system=20in=20your=20 web=20browser).=20I=20guess,=20because=20of=20the=20repetitive=20computatio= ns,=20(I've=20let=20one=20do=20billions=20before),=20you=20 can=20call=20this=20program=20a=20loop.=20It's=20called=20"tape-loop."=20Th= at=20would=20make=20a=20good=20sitcom;=20"The=20 Lovely=20but=20Loopy=20Lives=20of=20Lizzie=20and=20Tyler."=20My=20life=20wa= s=20always=20loopy=20 (figuratively),=20but=20I'm=20discovering=20more=20literal=20loops=20every= =20day.=20Our=20local=20radio=20station,=20104.5=20 WSNX=20in=20Michigan,=20does=20a=20lot=20of=20remixes,=20and=20sometimes=20= they=20will=20play=20a=20long,=20continuous=20loop.=20 Some=20people=20might=20be=20annoyed=20by=20the=20loop,=20but=20I=20get=20u= p,=20start=20dancing,=20spinning=20around,=20and=20shouting=20"Oh=20my=20 loop!=20Oh=20my=20loop!"=20I=20guess=20I'm=20caught=20in=20the=20loop,=20to= o.=20I=20always=20wondered=20if=20there=20was=20a=20 "Loop=20Addicts=20Anonymous."=20Well,=20I=20guess=20this=20is=20it. Tyler=20Zahnke,=20owner=20of=20Prosomawi=20Media http://prosomawi.editthis.info Comedian http://tyler_zahnke.editthis.info --===============1913770717==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 10:19:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D61F2183466; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DvqvSUtAcSIamWAE2pthNLG0iMHqai1FgZUmDJT6jfc=; b=MqiNx0V8y7fqUvRWTqNqklkxfdko1TC4jkJgKv/vnr4riJUQ3EgkQz5BV2OFFleK3m RriGdPRZF0H7YrWTzxeo6LzHvl9/nDssRwL7yPlNT0rH+fYL9cupQ2WboJrBiAbzOxs6 hclQM5Eq+YTdJ7DllalmRKFcihUc1XxLkbqe0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:19:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cool vocal looping in a band context vid From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <5yMYAC.A.iFC.I35MPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Really great! Smart trick to set up two voc mics for different processing. That trio has a lot of cool videos posted on YT. This one is great too I think, playing live at a radio studio on the air with just electronic push-button instruments, looping and singing http://youtu.be/1HGm_jxOdts Yeah, NIFTY! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: > Stumbled upon this you tube vid and I thought the vocal looping used in a > band context served the song well. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i1mr9amqeg > > Should I post stuff like this to the mailing list or just to the facebook > group? Not sure if it was decided yet how you guys like your video sharing > links served. > > > -- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > Twitter: gtodd876 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 12:52:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B943E183464; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:52:13 UTC References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> In-reply-to: MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BB2904CF-4C85-4C9B-BF47-68D580E71B78 Message-id: Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) From: Richard Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:52:02 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:52:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-BB2904CF-4C85-4C9B-BF47-68D580E71B78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it possible depen= ding on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio is being reduce= to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackj= ack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the house, I u= sed the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how I record, I= get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use the BJ to p= layback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn't there. >=20 > I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the headphone= s, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it can't= be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or smart phone)= . > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler wrote= : >=20 >=20 > Mike Fugazzi wrote: >=20 > I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the computer= will not only create this interference, but include it on playback (so reco= rding a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will probably y= ield similar results). >=20 > So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >=20 >=20 >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-BB2904CF-4C85-4C9B-BF47-68D580E71B78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:

No.  That's the thing.  I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen previously.  Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the computer's jack.  That being said, it doesn't matter how I record, I get that sound on the bass parts.  However, it appears if I use the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn't there.

I will double check this tonight.  At first I thought it was the headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or smart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy


--Apple-Mail-BB2904CF-4C85-4C9B-BF47-68D580E71B78-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 13:59:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 676C7183466; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3NlQQri7m41hn5zqqaodVFtgqhoC84O7k0qmCuR7d+8=; b=kFXJyJNmtD5EqAfFQNvnl/41OQDk67gLPoe5jD86vHRiPIHC3WtE1QwYaor6kXJ35O UPb6EFwQm0/a/oAYzAnKCGAsKRqfEzYViIXGfv5UAjNHrHVtxdn1XZ8mEwas02vXWzM+ dU/A5n1NYmewqTqllf6gQR3ROgZ9oS4Q4cGR0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:59:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cool vocal looping in a band context vid From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Keep posting on the list - very easy to click on a link here! ;-) I know everyone is not on FB LD-page. List was first, first serve the list. That is my take. :-) 2012/2/9 Per Boysen : > Really great! Smart trick to set up two voc mics for different > processing. That trio has a lot of cool videos posted on YT. This one > is great too I think, playing live at a radio studio on the air with > just electronic push-button instruments, looping and singing > http://youtu.be/1HGm_jxOdts =A0Yeah, NIFTY! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Todd Matthews wrot= e: >> Stumbled upon this you tube vid and I thought the vocal looping used in = a >> band context served the song well. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6i1mr9amqeg >> >> Should I post stuff like this to the mailing list or just to the faceboo= k >> group? Not sure if it was decided yet how you guys like your video shari= ng >> links served. >> >> >> -- >> Todd Matthews >> toddbass.com >> Twitter: gtodd876 >> > --=20 Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 14:02:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBB58183466; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=zt0dETm7zx0fN42sALRlRlozLlVXJjQ7vqYV4K/9+0w=; b=BrSQ8LCfMvIJhwRhafRITCwu42Tvj0HMBBR3v9uS/Jf/XadQ72W5EI/6GJkqvaNo/K lrqa+jPJRqNC1tQKXulB03IEpVf2v6QtW9SOeG8nidOpCE9MgNOzFKn6QI4bZnY3pgEI 3O+XFnGbeopSaC7hT/YictZ4lBhy1qanbJj5w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:01:50 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f502a565108f704b88875ec Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:02:10 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f502a565108f704b88875ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way I can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording interface. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: > Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it possible > depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio is being > reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > > No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the > Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the > house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how > I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use > the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it > isn't there. > > I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the > headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on > playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my > iPod or smart phone). > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> >> >> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >>> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >>> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >>> probably yield similar results). >>> >> >> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >> >> >> >> andy >> >> > --e89a8f502a565108f704b88875ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3=

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried monitoring literally= every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the= recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizo= n.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy



--e89a8f502a565108f704b88875ec-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 14:31:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFC6218345E; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20DB44397B654D9983FEA4B901425586@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:31:21 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CCE737.7E61D4E0"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:31:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CCE737.7E61D4E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0018_01CCE737.7E61D4E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0018_01CCE737.7E61D4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Johannes! Quite inspirational! This comes at a critical time = for me actually. I=E2=80=99m about to divorce, and detach from the life = I=E2=80=99ve been living over here, moving back to the USA. Another = thing I=E2=80=99d like to find out has to do with fingering exercises to = strengthen the ol=E2=80=99 left hand, which in the past has suffered = from a few wrist breakages; I=E2=80=99m not suffering for the playing of = it =E2=80=93 and have been advised that playing guitar is the best thing = I could do to avoid future trouble with arthritis, which I = haven=E2=80=99t developed. But suggestions are more than welcome.=20 Thanks again, Stephen Goodman From: Johannes Korn=20 Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup 2012/2/8 Per Boysen For me it's more about spending time with different instruments (including electronics setups, like live looping) and explore what I am NOT capable of doing. Then I'll do my best to avoid those areas (or make a statement by destroying them) when making music. I recently stumbled upon a video by Steve Vai, where he makes a similar = point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DatGBKuCJ-Jc&hd=3D1&fs=3D1 = Develop your strengths, because that's what you're good at and what you = will enjoy doing. All the best, Johannes --=20 jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0018_01CCE737.7E61D4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Johannes!  Quite inspirational!  This comes at = a=20 critical time for me actually.  I=E2=80=99m about to divorce, and = detach from the=20 life I=E2=80=99ve been living over here, moving back to the USA.  = Another thing I=E2=80=99d=20 like to find out has to do with fingering exercises to strengthen the = ol=E2=80=99 left=20 hand, which in the past has suffered from a few wrist breakages; = I=E2=80=99m not=20 suffering for the playing of it =E2=80=93 and have been advised that = playing guitar is=20 the best thing I could do to avoid future trouble with arthritis, which = I=20 haven=E2=80=99t developed.  But suggestions are more than welcome. =
 
Thanks again,
Stephen Goodman
 
From: Johannes Korn
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible = setup
 
2012/2/8 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> For me it's more
about spending time with = different=20 instruments (including electronics
setups, like live looping) and = explore=20 what I am NOT capable of doing.
Then I'll do my best to avoid those = areas=20 (or make a statement by
destroying them) when making = music.
 
I recently stumbled upon a video by Steve Vai, where he makes a = similar=20 point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DatGBKuCJ-Jc&hd=3D1&fs=3D1= =20 Develop your strengths, because that's what you're good at and what you = will=20 enjoy doing.
 
All the best,
Johannes
 
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For injury safe guitar playing strength is less important than good routines for warming up before playing. For simple strength in fingers and hands I can recommend that when you're doing your daily push-ups you could perform them on your fingertips. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Stephen Goodman w= rote: > Thank you Johannes! Quite inspirational! This comes at a critical > time for me actually. I=E2=80=99m about to divorce, and detach from the = life I=E2=80=99ve > been living over here, moving back to the USA. Another thing I=E2=80=99d= like to > find out has to do with fingering exercises to strengthen the ol=E2=80=99= left > hand, which in the past has suffered from a few wrist breakages; I=E2=80= =99m not > suffering for the playing of it =E2=80=93 and have been advised that play= ing guitar > is the best thing I could do to avoid future trouble with arthritis, whic= h > I haven=E2=80=99t developed. But suggestions are more than welcome. [ima= ge: > Smile] > > Thanks again, > Stephen Goodman > > *From:* Johannes Korn > *Sent:* Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:36 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Creating a more flexible setup > > 2012/2/8 Per Boysen > >> For me it's more >> about spending time with different instruments (including electronics >> setups, like live looping) and explore what I am NOT capable of doing. >> Then I'll do my best to avoid those areas (or make a statement by >> destroying them) when making music. > > > I recently stumbled upon a video by Steve Vai, where he makes a similar > point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DatGBKuCJ-Jc&hd=3D1&fs=3D1 Develop= your > strengths, because that's what you're good at and what you will enjoy doi= ng. > > All the best, > Johannes > > -- > jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com > http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn > > --20cf305e2879d650ae04b88941ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My guess is that you would get more useful advice for strengthening the lef= t hand after a wrist fracture if you ask a physio therapist. For injury saf= e guitar playing strength is less important than good routines for warming = up before playing. For simple strength in fingers and hands I can recommend= that when you're doing your daily push-ups you could perform them on y= our fingertips.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.= com/perboysen



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Stephen = Goodman <s= pgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Thank you Johannes!=C2=A0 Quite inspirational!=C2=A0 This comes at a= =20 critical time for me actually.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m about to divorce, and deta= ch from the=20 life I=E2=80=99ve been living over here, moving back to the USA.=C2=A0 Anot= her thing I=E2=80=99d=20 like to find out has to do with fingering exercises to strengthen the ol=E2= =80=99 left=20 hand, which in the past has suffered from a few wrist breakages; I=E2=80=99= m not=20 suffering for the playing of it =E2=80=93 and have been advised that playin= g guitar is=20 the best thing I could do to avoid future trouble with arthritis, which I= =20 haven=E2=80=99t developed.=C2=A0 But suggestions are more than welcome.
=C2=A0
Thanks again,
Stephen Goodman
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Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup
=C2=A0
2012/2/8 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&= gt;
For me it's more
about spendin= g time with different=20 instruments (including electronics
setups, like live looping) and expl= ore=20 what I am NOT capable of doing.
Then I'll do my best to avoid thos= e areas=20 (or make a statement by
destroying them) when making music.
=C2=A0
I recently stumbled upon a video by Steve Vai, where he makes a simila= r=20 point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DatGBKuCJ-Jc&a= mp;hd=3D1&fs=3D1=20 Develop your strengths, because that's what you're good at and what= you will=20 enjoy doing.
=C2=A0
All the best,
Johannes
=C2=A0
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=C2=A0

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I've tried monitoring literally every way I > can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording > interface. > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: > >> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it possible >> depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio is being >> reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >> >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the >> Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the >> house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how >> I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use >> the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >> isn't there. >> >> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >> iPod or smart phone). >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >>>> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >>>> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >>>> probably yield similar results). >>>> >>> >>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>> >>> >>> >>> andy >>> >>> >> > --f46d044271827a50e704b8895788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://www.passmark.com/fo= rum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful info...

j
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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gma= il.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy




--f46d044271827a50e704b8895788-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 15:15:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B0FA183466; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=eFoPJsnwWQrE3OJOn2oyXX7ivTtTkPWEVPzR1/ZJCQ0=; b=ayPdwzKktwsPPRtN7YbDtmo01mHl2o2fYaz//iS/V2H7G5QDmjZTCPRlABQoqF/nWQ VE/7XwwzvuFY88fTq5bnKmn8Yd4/QwW9derA72ymKCMm11nhmIju1+/aP0WkmYOEdmOc GpcacIFQFz/o7oi+gdZBZbd8le+YhBKLihfB0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:15:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f839c47f00d7a04b8897b76 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:15:37 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f839c47f00d7a04b8897b76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OMG!!!! You may be on to something! I've been trying to figure this out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that 1.) I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix. Even if this isn't my magic bullet, THANK YOU! I can't communicate enough how appreciative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to help me trouble shoot. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... > http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2908 might have some > useful info... > > j > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: >> http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 >> >> I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way I >> can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording >> interface. >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: >> >>> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it possible >>> depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio is being >>> reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >>> >>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the >>> Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the >>> house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how >>> I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use >>> the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >>> isn't there. >>> >>> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >>> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >>> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >>> iPod or smart phone). >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>> >>>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >>>>> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >>>>> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >>>>> probably yield similar results). >>>>> >>>> >>>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> andy >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --e89a8f839c47f00d7a04b8897b76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OMG!!!!=A0 You may be on to something!=A0 I've been trying to figure th= is out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that = 1.) I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix.

Even if this isn'= ;t my magic bullet, THANK YOU!=A0 I can't communicate enough how apprec= iative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to help me tro= uble shoot.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://w= ww.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful in= fo...

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy





--e89a8f839c47f00d7a04b8897b76-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 15:20:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6918183474; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=p/HJb7JlXnXP+SsSNSQu6/2lx1Bdcu3hOC0jluGyvgI=; b=g2srg33ScYiJjoKMsJY5hKjhD6XXIghhq0dzKHmshnhtNq8nRL0nL0U2d5v/VcHmRt 61Ksxk7GGIYPJZvI7oHzTg7/AdVzZC3lEG54kj4D+q0aYjUstUtrnpUGLPEkb5ZTcSUf 3mkdKYkDoALzIOI3PfKbFoqS1D6bCXVc4/5Fo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:19:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0438919199dbeb04b8898b0a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:20:00 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0438919199dbeb04b8898b0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and when broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed it but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard to Google an issue like this :) hope it helps j On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > OMG!!!! You may be on to something! I've been trying to figure this out > since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that 1.) I > am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix. > > Even if this isn't my magic bullet, THANK YOU! I can't communicate enough > how appreciative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to > help me trouble shoot. > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... >> http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2908 might have some >> useful info... >> >> j >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >>> Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: >>> http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 >>> >>> I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way I >>> can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording >>> interface. >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: >>> >>>> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it possible >>>> depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio is being >>>> reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >>>> >>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>> >>>> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the >>>> Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the >>>> house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how >>>> I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use >>>> the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >>>> isn't there. >>>> >>>> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >>>> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >>>> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >>>> iPod or smart phone). >>>> ---------- >>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>> vocals/harmonica >>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>> Facebook >>>> YouTube >>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >>>>>> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >>>>>> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >>>>>> probably yield similar results). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --f46d0438919199dbeb04b8898b0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and when= broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed i= t but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard to= Google an issue like this :) hope it helps

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mi= ke Fugazzi <m= ikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://w= ww.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful in= fo...

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy






--f46d0438919199dbeb04b8898b0a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 15:23:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FEBF18347A; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=VRf7k91BER13SUdROcYcKdahuFewDamMOKLiUIUw5Og=; b=r4Q2T63pgR0OQB/dO28A1Rg1cqdbm9RDuD9JWED4Kxs5MPVTPlATET/VVGrKwPPdJP nSctSY2m9bX9N352w47nNOAIhh44xfz/AyF45+46fD0dw7DlrQyFhsT0U8RlBGnI2TiY I82W3odXUYoLh/7HI/jNglwdWUTkt+IjZ170c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:23:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f839c472fc37904b8899803 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:23:32 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f839c472fc37904b8899803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Impossible to Google...I don't even know what to call it. I wouldn't be shocked if it was something this simple. I've been through three interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, four octavers, countless cables, two room set-ups, and three sets of headphones/speakrs (not to mention posting on half a dozen forums for help). I am out of complicated problems to check, lol. Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers my hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and > when broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed > it but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard > to Google an issue like this :) hope it helps > > j > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> OMG!!!! You may be on to something! I've been trying to figure this out >> since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that 1.) I >> am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix. >> >> Even if this isn't my magic bullet, THANK YOU! I can't communicate >> enough how appreciative I am that you and others on this list have taken >> time to help me trouble shoot. >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> >>> Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... >>> http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2908 might have some >>> useful info... >>> >>> j >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>>> Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: >>>> http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 >>>> >>>> I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way I >>>> can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording >>>> interface. >>>> ---------- >>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>> vocals/harmonica >>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>> Facebook >>>> YouTube >>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it possible >>>>> depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio is being >>>>> reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the >>>>> Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the >>>>> house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how >>>>> I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use >>>>> the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >>>>> isn't there. >>>>> >>>>> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >>>>> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >>>>> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >>>>> iPod or smart phone). >>>>> ---------- >>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>> Facebook >>>>> YouTube >>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >>>>>>> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >>>>>>> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >>>>>>> probably yield similar results). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> andy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --e89a8f839c472fc37904b8899803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Impossible to Google...I don't even know what to call it.=A0 I wouldn&#= 39;t be shocked if it was something this simple.=A0 I've been through t= hree interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, four octavers, countless cables,= two room set-ups, and three sets of headphones/speakrs (not to mention pos= ting on half a dozen forums for help).=A0 I am out of complicated problems = to check, lol.

Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers= my hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gm= ail.com> wrote:
I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and when= broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed i= t but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard to= Google an issue like this :) hope it helps

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mi= ke Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
OMG!!!!=A0 You may be on to something!=A0 I've been trying to figure th= is out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that = 1.) I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix.

Even if this isn'= ;t my magic bullet, THANK YOU!=A0 I can't communicate enough how apprec= iative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to help me tro= uble shoot.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://w= ww.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful in= fo...

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy







--e89a8f839c472fc37904b8899803-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 15:36:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C326183477; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pHp7u031iFiVKLRYfbnHhJxGBu00RwKa00OhHP4HMWo=; b=OCMTwaCbgEsxrj29gKM8q7BBiYa1+rm+PZx9MgK5dAavDmBFl7ejI+SzZXxA2FwQxN DX56ms/2/ZY18kOvnY7Snv8a8WbPQ+zIwsjySpaZByC+cMrkt6DbucfeIKxUKEUy9Suf /dDQ9o/cqcVX4kcANJET1FcjHdiGa07wFlVyw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:36:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2448140552c04b889c7fc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:36:41 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff2448140552c04b889c7fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 bit 44.1 hz. I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" :) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > Impossible to Google...I don't even know what to call it. I wouldn't be > shocked if it was something this simple. I've been through three > interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, four octavers, countless cables, two > room set-ups, and three sets of headphones/speakrs (not to mention posting > on half a dozen forums for help). I am out of complicated problems to > check, lol. > > Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers my > hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane. > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and >> when broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed >> it but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard >> to Google an issue like this :) hope it helps >> >> j >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >>> OMG!!!! You may be on to something! I've been trying to figure this >>> out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that 1.) >>> I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix. >>> >>> Even if this isn't my magic bullet, THANK YOU! I can't communicate >>> enough how appreciative I am that you and others on this list have taken >>> time to help me trouble shoot. >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>> >>>> Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... >>>> http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2908 might have some >>>> useful info... >>>> >>>> j >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: >>>>> http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 >>>>> >>>>> I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way I >>>>> can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording >>>>> interface. >>>>> ---------- >>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>> Facebook >>>>> YouTube >>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it >>>>>> possible depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio >>>>>> is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the >>>>>> Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the >>>>>> house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how >>>>>> I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use >>>>>> the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >>>>>> isn't there. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >>>>>> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >>>>>> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >>>>>> iPod or smart phone). >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>> Facebook >>>>>> YouTube >>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >>>>>>>> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >>>>>>>> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >>>>>>>> probably yield similar results). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> andy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --e89a8ff2448140552c04b889c7fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 b= it 44.1 hz.

I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" = :)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike = Fugazzi <mike= fugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Impossible to Google...I don't even know= what to call it.=A0 I wouldn't be shocked if it was something this sim= ple.=A0 I've been through three interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, f= our octavers, countless cables, two room set-ups, and three sets of headpho= nes/speakrs (not to mention posting on half a dozen forums for help).=A0 I = am out of complicated problems to check, lol.

Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers= my hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and when= broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed i= t but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard to= Google an issue like this :) hope it helps

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mi= ke Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
OMG!!!!=A0 You may be on to something!=A0 I've been trying to figure th= is out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that = 1.) I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix.

Even if this isn'= ;t my magic bullet, THANK YOU!=A0 I can't communicate enough how apprec= iative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to help me tro= uble shoot.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://w= ww.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful in= fo...

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy








--e89a8ff2448140552c04b889c7fc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 15:39:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED044183466; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=o5JsmzbbvOJodKb8fjIjfdgPTmEChFUC8z/CriNGuEE=; b=tQD6Doupt632A8Jjxpat/5e0cPa+WG20bpfF1qUGYTNmV45xtupeQZ5+vBnU6Si+Vr pcjUKjOBRrnZNFLvGbBE8QbhiUolMXJ6Cvy4s2rleFCHOlbmt0t7vzHkNNpruhlmXsoL VdUQRCPnloGBv/g71mTdoL4lzPW+vxtNVOL1o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:39:23 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba61375631652104b889d2e9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:39:44 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba61375631652104b889d2e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So I need to check what the computer is at and what my interface is at and what my DAW is set to, right? I never would have had the background to come up with that topic for Google. That is half the problem...I just don't have a lot of the vocab to ask about this stuff intelligently. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 > bit 44.1 hz. > > I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" :) > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> Impossible to Google...I don't even know what to call it. I wouldn't be >> shocked if it was something this simple. I've been through three >> interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, four octavers, countless cables, two >> room set-ups, and three sets of headphones/speakrs (not to mention posting >> on half a dozen forums for help). I am out of complicated problems to >> check, lol. >> >> Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers my >> hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane. >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> >>> I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and >>> when broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed >>> it but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard >>> to Google an issue like this :) hope it helps >>> >>> j >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>>> OMG!!!! You may be on to something! I've been trying to figure this >>>> out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that 1.) >>>> I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix. >>>> >>>> Even if this isn't my magic bullet, THANK YOU! I can't communicate >>>> enough how appreciative I am that you and others on this list have taken >>>> time to help me trouble shoot. >>>> ---------- >>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>> vocals/harmonica >>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>> Facebook >>>> YouTube >>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... >>>>> http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2908 might have some >>>>> useful info... >>>>> >>>>> j >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: >>>>>> http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 >>>>>> >>>>>> I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way I >>>>>> can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording >>>>>> interface. >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>> Facebook >>>>>> YouTube >>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it >>>>>>> possible depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio >>>>>>> is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the >>>>>>> Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the >>>>>>> house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how >>>>>>> I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use >>>>>>> the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >>>>>>> isn't there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >>>>>>> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >>>>>>> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >>>>>>> iPod or smart phone). >>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >>>>>>>>> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >>>>>>>>> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >>>>>>>>> probably yield similar results). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> andy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --90e6ba61375631652104b889d2e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So I need to check what the computer is at and what my interface is at and = what my DAW is set to, right?=A0 I never would have had the background to c= ome up with that topic for Google.=A0 That is half the problem...I just don= 't have a lot of the vocab to ask about this stuff intelligently.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 b= it 44.1 hz.

I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" = :)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike = Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Impossible to Google...I don't even know= what to call it.=A0 I wouldn't be shocked if it was something this sim= ple.=A0 I've been through three interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, f= our octavers, countless cables, two room set-ups, and three sets of headpho= nes/speakrs (not to mention posting on half a dozen forums for help).=A0 I = am out of complicated problems to check, lol.

Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers= my hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and when= broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed i= t but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard to= Google an issue like this :) hope it helps

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mi= ke Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
OMG!!!!=A0 You may be on to something!=A0 I've been trying to figure th= is out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that = 1.) I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix.

Even if this isn'= ;t my magic bullet, THANK YOU!=A0 I can't communicate enough how apprec= iative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to help me tro= uble shoot.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://w= ww.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful in= fo...

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy









--90e6ba61375631652104b889d2e9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 15:47:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 334A0183479; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oMQ5fo1iyokr4gpPL2tmYIlfwZHz19d+Ql/8IFtoBHY=; b=uA+ZQJ5hp5zGITzztakxt17XIrKkkvFR+bDLCh/KLf8CjK1gO6rtcc169aONkJLUvI SAkMpQ2F1qy56unaolqycQnU5/uYXJKI2cTI5c/MNk97IqDdASVdRsk5EZ+hhgx75K0L nMfelZ3DxzsguCfdon4kXQmTeXjm3y//KSV/g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:47:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10d1cd4205d704b889efe0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:47:53 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10d1cd4205d704b889efe0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Right, check and see if your computers sound card is set for 48 hz and change it to 44.1 if that's what your DAW is set for. At least that's what I record at on mine. Then record again and cross your fingers! I don't use an interface, only the line in jack but I would think that all the sample rates should match. I hesitate to say this because of all the experts on the list :) I did solve my issue in any event j On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > So I need to check what the computer is at and what my interface is at and > what my DAW is set to, right? I never would have had the background to > come up with that topic for Google. That is half the problem...I just > don't have a lot of the vocab to ask about this stuff intelligently. > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 >> bit 44.1 hz. >> >> I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" :) >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >>> Impossible to Google...I don't even know what to call it. I wouldn't be >>> shocked if it was something this simple. I've been through three >>> interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, four octavers, countless cables, two >>> room set-ups, and three sets of headphones/speakrs (not to mention posting >>> on half a dozen forums for help). I am out of complicated problems to >>> check, lol. >>> >>> Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers my >>> hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane. >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>> >>>> I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and >>>> when broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed >>>> it but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard >>>> to Google an issue like this :) hope it helps >>>> >>>> j >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>> >>>>> OMG!!!! You may be on to something! I've been trying to figure this >>>>> out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that 1.) >>>>> I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix. >>>>> >>>>> Even if this isn't my magic bullet, THANK YOU! I can't communicate >>>>> enough how appreciative I am that you and others on this list have taken >>>>> time to help me trouble shoot. >>>>> ---------- >>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>> Facebook >>>>> YouTube >>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... >>>>>> http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2908 might have some >>>>>> useful info... >>>>>> >>>>>> j >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: >>>>>>> http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way >>>>>>> I can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording >>>>>>> interface. >>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it >>>>>>>> possible depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio >>>>>>>> is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the >>>>>>>> Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the >>>>>>>> house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how >>>>>>>> I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use >>>>>>>> the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >>>>>>>> isn't there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >>>>>>>> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >>>>>>>> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >>>>>>>> iPod or smart phone). >>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >>>>>>>>>> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >>>>>>>>>> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >>>>>>>>>> probably yield similar results). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> andy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --047d7b10d1cd4205d704b889efe0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right, check and see if your computers sound card is set for 48 hz and chan= ge it to 44.1 if that's what your DAW is set for. At least that's w= hat I record at on mine. Then record again and cross your fingers! I don= 9;t use an interface, only the line in jack but I would think that all the = sample rates should match. I hesitate to say this because of all the expert= s on the list :) I did solve my issue in any event

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mi= ke Fugazzi <m= ikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 b= it 44.1 hz.

I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" = :)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike = Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Impossible to Google...I don't even know= what to call it.=A0 I wouldn't be shocked if it was something this sim= ple.=A0 I've been through three interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, f= our octavers, countless cables, two room set-ups, and three sets of headpho= nes/speakrs (not to mention posting on half a dozen forums for help).=A0 I = am out of complicated problems to check, lol.

Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers= my hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and when= broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed i= t but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard to= Google an issue like this :) hope it helps

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mi= ke Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
OMG!!!!=A0 You may be on to something!=A0 I've been trying to figure th= is out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that = 1.) I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix.

Even if this isn'= ;t my magic bullet, THANK YOU!=A0 I can't communicate enough how apprec= iative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to help me tro= uble shoot.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://w= ww.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful in= fo...

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy










--047d7b10d1cd4205d704b889efe0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 15:55:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76555183475; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hACIFLLvTSk8U1P1n9nkuFdLmPkaO5KOlTAQDz9pkvY=; b=Z5VtGQbjz5YmJMhRRHqp0TqPyBItYshZkiAFMxTqKZjTsH98JQdFmcSAYpsk4TRuJ4 6Zl2YAjUIy7R2vFYZts1r3vaTEKPIlSf1eQwUmEZpmmLWKWaPDkqa7Tkm2RVWn4VJUSV 37ospvfd5aCpDlWw8SqkKCYOX5yVZKqA6Rj84= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:55:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10cbede8780604b88a0b76 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:55:53 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10cbede8780604b88a0b76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.audiomastersforum.net/amforum/index.php?topic=8230.0;wap2 On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > So I need to check what the computer is at and what my interface is at and > what my DAW is set to, right? I never would have had the background to > come up with that topic for Google. That is half the problem...I just > don't have a lot of the vocab to ask about this stuff intelligently. > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 >> bit 44.1 hz. >> >> I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" :) >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >>> Impossible to Google...I don't even know what to call it. I wouldn't be >>> shocked if it was something this simple. I've been through three >>> interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, four octavers, countless cables, two >>> room set-ups, and three sets of headphones/speakrs (not to mention posting >>> on half a dozen forums for help). I am out of complicated problems to >>> check, lol. >>> >>> Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers my >>> hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane. >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>> >>>> I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and >>>> when broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed >>>> it but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard >>>> to Google an issue like this :) hope it helps >>>> >>>> j >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>> >>>>> OMG!!!! You may be on to something! I've been trying to figure this >>>>> out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that 1.) >>>>> I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix. >>>>> >>>>> Even if this isn't my magic bullet, THANK YOU! I can't communicate >>>>> enough how appreciative I am that you and others on this list have taken >>>>> time to help me trouble shoot. >>>>> ---------- >>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>> Facebook >>>>> YouTube >>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... >>>>>> http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2908 might have some >>>>>> useful info... >>>>>> >>>>>> j >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: >>>>>>> http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way >>>>>>> I can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording >>>>>>> interface. >>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it >>>>>>>> possible depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio >>>>>>>> is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of the >>>>>>>> Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of the >>>>>>>> house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter how >>>>>>>> I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I use >>>>>>>> the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >>>>>>>> isn't there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >>>>>>>> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >>>>>>>> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >>>>>>>> iPod or smart phone). >>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the >>>>>>>>>> computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback >>>>>>>>>> (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will >>>>>>>>>> probably yield similar results). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> andy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --047d7b10cbede8780604b88a0b76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.audiomastersforum.net/amforum/index.php?topic=3D8230.0;w= ap2



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10= :39 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
So I need to check what the computer is at a= nd what my interface is at and what my DAW is set to, right?=A0 I never wou= ld have had the background to come up with that topic for Google.=A0 That i= s half the problem...I just don't have a lot of the vocab to ask about = this stuff intelligently.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 b= it 44.1 hz.

I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" = :)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike = Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Impossible to Google...I don't even know= what to call it.=A0 I wouldn't be shocked if it was something this sim= ple.=A0 I've been through three interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, f= our octavers, countless cables, two room set-ups, and three sets of headpho= nes/speakrs (not to mention posting on half a dozen forums for help).=A0 I = am out of complicated problems to check, lol.

Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers= my hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and when= broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed i= t but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard to= Google an issue like this :) hope it helps

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mi= ke Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
OMG!!!!=A0 You may be on to something!=A0 I've been trying to figure th= is out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that = 1.) I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix.

Even if this isn'= ;t my magic bullet, THANK YOU!=A0 I can't communicate enough how apprec= iative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to help me tro= uble shoot.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://w= ww.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful in= fo...

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy










--047d7b10cbede8780604b88a0b76-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 16:06:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBAD9183463; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=TQWI+I2dtXiJR7qanaxM7BZ6nAxAUau9b3U47e283Y0=; b=BtbHptHFfZpMr9ALBbbR8dEBP2lSW8uj3Efd1iUxPsMY3dY7MlT4pfbl/GKmnKzzvw SiMZlPgchKy1LJC8lGwmNQJkE6fJbOR5TGSz9ixgWXvsOnAloVDdcsu8UWqn/BfQEoJW Z0vtbzs4rtNg6sDph7J5B6QFbCTTY1Y+0V5D0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:06:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f369e7e66e504b88a319f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:06:23 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f369e7e66e504b88a319f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If this works, I promise to include you in my Grammy speech by name. LMAO I really want to make the solo looping show work, and I feel that inability to accurately record/playback my nighttime rehearsals for feedback and constructive criticism is killing me. I've tried to approach this as a long-term commitment and have been very patient about it (unlike other projects). My plan has always been to record rough demos, get feedback on the performances, adjust, record some more, and then create promo. Someday, I want to have a whole scratch album recorded to take to the studio and recreate with pro gear. It is a total vanity project, but cost effective if I know what I need to do and what I want for the final outcome! This stumbling block in recording bass is the LAST excuse I have for not applying myself in this direction. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > http://www.audiomastersforum.net/amforum/index.php?topic=8230.0;wap2 > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> So I need to check what the computer is at and what my interface is at >> and what my DAW is set to, right? I never would have had the background to >> come up with that topic for Google. That is half the problem...I just >> don't have a lot of the vocab to ask about this stuff intelligently. >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> >>> Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at >>> 24 bit 44.1 hz. >>> >>> I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" :) >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>>> Impossible to Google...I don't even know what to call it. I wouldn't >>>> be shocked if it was something this simple. I've been through three >>>> interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, four octavers, countless cables, two >>>> room set-ups, and three sets of headphones/speakrs (not to mention posting >>>> on half a dozen forums for help). I am out of complicated problems to >>>> check, lol. >>>> >>>> Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers my >>>> hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane. >>>> ---------- >>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>> vocals/harmonica >>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>> Facebook >>>> YouTube >>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and >>>>> when broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed >>>>> it but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard >>>>> to Google an issue like this :) hope it helps >>>>> >>>>> j >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> OMG!!!! You may be on to something! I've been trying to figure this >>>>>> out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that 1.) >>>>>> I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even if this isn't my magic bullet, THANK YOU! I can't communicate >>>>>> enough how appreciative I am that you and others on this list have taken >>>>>> time to help me trouble shoot. >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>> Facebook >>>>>> YouTube >>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... >>>>>>> http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2908 might have some >>>>>>> useful info... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> j >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: >>>>>>>> http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way >>>>>>>> I can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording >>>>>>>> interface. >>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it >>>>>>>>> possible depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio >>>>>>>>> is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of >>>>>>>>> the Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of >>>>>>>>> the house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter >>>>>>>>> how I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I >>>>>>>>> use the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >>>>>>>>> isn't there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >>>>>>>>> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >>>>>>>>> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >>>>>>>>> iPod or smart phone). >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler < >>>>>>>>> akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears >>>>>>>>>>> the computer will not only create this interference, but include it on >>>>>>>>>>> playback (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass >>>>>>>>>>> part will probably yield similar results). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> andy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --20cf307f369e7e66e504b88a319f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If this works, I promise to include you in my Grammy speech by name.=A0 LMA= O=A0

I really want to make the solo looping show work, and I feel t= hat inability to accurately record/playback my nighttime rehearsals for fee= dback and constructive criticism is killing me.=A0 I've tried to approa= ch this as a long-term commitment and have been very patient about it (unli= ke other projects).=A0 My plan has always been to record rough demos, get f= eedback on the performances, adjust, record some more, and then create prom= o.=A0

Someday, I want to have a whole scratch album recorded to take to the s= tudio and recreate with pro gear.=A0 It is a total vanity project, but cost= effective if I know what I need to do and what I want for the final outcom= e!=A0 This stumbling block in recording bass is the LAST excuse I have for = not applying myself in this direction.


----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazz= i.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gm= ail.com> wrote:
http://www.audiomastersforum.net/amforum/index.ph= p?topic=3D8230.0;wap2



On Thu,= Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
So I need to check what the computer is at a= nd what my interface is at and what my DAW is set to, right?=A0 I never wou= ld have had the background to come up with that topic for Google.=A0 That i= s half the problem...I just don't have a lot of the vocab to ask about = this stuff intelligently.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 b= it 44.1 hz.

I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" = :)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike = Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Impossible to Google...I don't even know= what to call it.=A0 I wouldn't be shocked if it was something this sim= ple.=A0 I've been through three interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, f= our octavers, countless cables, two room set-ups, and three sets of headpho= nes/speakrs (not to mention posting on half a dozen forums for help).=A0 I = am out of complicated problems to check, lol.

Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers= my hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and when= broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed i= t but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard to= Google an issue like this :) hope it helps

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mi= ke Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
OMG!!!!=A0 You may be on to something!=A0 I've been trying to figure th= is out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that = 1.) I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix.

Even if this isn'= ;t my magic bullet, THANK YOU!=A0 I can't communicate enough how apprec= iative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to help me tro= uble shoot.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://w= ww.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful in= fo...

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



andy











--20cf307f369e7e66e504b88a319f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 16:07:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70A85183463; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ORkKjIQsOcXrPOhEHe9eyF9JfNPUdXN+x6gd0WxDD70=; b=vLkwcyQL6ruLCcrbYjzSVAGHKZfrge4CIcK/EHI65csRpY56+hLoFtHOrfJZDjQPxp nkg7CleE3kyf4Bhsh2/ihmFb/OIBN/V+S4SxTpRHRKK0PktGsF3yFZIUEFUmI4fJ0zJ5 aXvt+82RjA7MReTH7xGxDZGNPAqedwQdETAbE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:07:57 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: W3nk5wqKI7YrnZMmFb8UYHXMHvc Message-ID: Subject: Re: RC-300 From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d04bc2a755f04b88a37d7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:07:59 +0000 (UTC) --0015175d04bc2a755f04b88a37d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 the shop by me doesn't carry it, yet -- STILL. but to be honest, i don't really have high hopes. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: > Hi. > Has anyone that is familiar with the RC-50 tested the RC-300? > Joaquim > > --0015175d04bc2a755f04b88a37d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the shop by me doesn't carry it, yet -- STILL. but to be honest, i don&= #39;t really have high hopes.

On Thu, Fe= b 9, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Joaquim Carvalho <kanguru007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.
Has anyone that is familiar with the RC-50 tested the RC-300?
Joaquim


--0015175d04bc2a755f04b88a37d7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 16:39:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1651A183466; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Qhtxcv1u6wxhBa9zOMOyVe5tOGp1bSav/LM1YSFxJv0=; b=t4neJRYtofKWSJq1A7+FxRGcXaEX4vgMjP6RxN68qMVvKUJxTCpUk0+JMpKHqZoD+k iFe+POgoC/olFI//sbBN9TAizAUKUfiBNCSoDFmN9aieEt7fR8BB/MwdFg7W1iI0MiLf XLThOevZiwRd8lHFnNEAC572uHx5TMJyMcf4w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20DB44397B654D9983FEA4B901425586@ELUK1> References: <20DB44397B654D9983FEA4B901425586@ELUK1> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:39:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup From: Tony K To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=f46d044787ab63ed9204b88aa8e0 Resent-Message-ID: <7BhUl.A.kJH.Jb_MPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:39:37 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044787ab63ed9204b88aa8e0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044787ab63ed9004b88aa8df --f46d044787ab63ed9004b88aa8df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Get a copy of Pumping Nylon. It's got some killer left hand exercises. http://www.amazon.com/Pumping-Nylon-Book-Scott-Tennant/dp/0739024035/ref=3D= pd_vtp_b_6 On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Stephen Goodman w= rote: > Thank you Johannes! Quite inspirational! This comes at a critical > time for me actually. I=92m about to divorce, and detach from the life I= =92ve > been living over here, moving back to the USA. Another thing I=92d like = to > find out has to do with fingering exercises to strengthen the ol=92 left > hand, which in the past has suffered from a few wrist breakages; I=92m no= t > suffering for the playing of it =96 and have been advised that playing gu= itar > is the best thing I could do to avoid future trouble with arthritis, whic= h > I haven=92t developed. But suggestions are more than welcome. [image: > Smile] > > Thanks again, > Stephen Goodman > > *From:* Johannes Korn > *Sent:* Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:36 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Creating a more flexible setup > > 2012/2/8 Per Boysen > >> For me it's more >> about spending time with different instruments (including electronics >> setups, like live looping) and explore what I am NOT capable of doing. >> Then I'll do my best to avoid those areas (or make a statement by >> destroying them) when making music. > > > I recently stumbled upon a video by Steve Vai, where he makes a similar > point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DatGBKuCJ-Jc&hd=3D1&fs=3D1 Develop= your > strengths, because that's what you're good at and what you will enjoy doi= ng. > > All the best, > Johannes > > -- > jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com > http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn > > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony --f46d044787ab63ed9004b88aa8df Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Get a copy of Pumping Nylon.=A0 It's got some killer left hand exercise= s.

http://www.amazon.com/Pumping-Nylon-Book-S= cott-Tennant/dp/0739024035/ref=3Dpd_vtp_b_6

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Stephen Good= man <spgoo= dman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Thank you Johannes!=A0 Quite inspirational!=A0 This comes at a=20 critical time for me actually.=A0 I=92m about to divorce, and detach from t= he=20 life I=92ve been living over here, moving back to the USA.=A0 Another thing= I=92d=20 like to find out has to do with fingering exercises to strengthen the ol=92= left=20 hand, which in the past has suffered from a few wrist breakages; I=92m not= =20 suffering for the playing of it =96 and have been advised that playing guit= ar is=20 the best thing I could do to avoid future trouble with arthritis, which I= =20 haven=92t developed.=A0 But suggestions are more than welcome. 3D"Smile"
=A0
Thanks again,
Stephen Goodman
=A0
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Creating a more flexible setup
=A0
2012/2/8 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&= gt;
For me it's more
about spendin= g time with different=20 instruments (including electronics
setups, like live looping) and expl= ore=20 what I am NOT capable of doing.
Then I'll do my best to avoid thos= e areas=20 (or make a statement by
destroying them) when making music.
=A0
I recently stumbled upon a video by Steve Vai, where he makes a simila= r=20 point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DatGBKuCJ-Jc&a= mp;hd=3D1&fs=3D1=20 Develop your strengths, because that's what you're good at and what= you will=20 enjoy doing.
=A0
All the best,
Johannes
=A0
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On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:03, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: > Hi. > Has anyone that is familiar with the RC-50 tested the RC-300? > Joaquim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 19:18:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BF0A183473; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=rgFBhN+PcJbiK5PnrDxf16C6pi2vQY+o+bur38oSzpU=; b=S51wy5MC4jlefY4BfGmBnhNbCKE46G4p4jpM+GBa8Od9QZucS3qB4iFUoT72cuXZPg o95kMgfIvfLk4dVD8F+fdL8cTdQ5LGIUTPLF2TdOK6GCb8O8P4SuzniqgtTckbRL0ogO UjRME2VtEermK32ce9i/HS7ubAxIjUKHNCUg8= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:18:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Recording Multiple Loop Tracks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f369ee9da3e04b88ce056 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:18:35 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f369ee9da3e04b88ce056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use a Boomerang III, but am interested in something that has a similar serial-sync option but would let me set up more looped tracks. Ideally, I want the loops to end up as separate tracks to manipulate in post production. The 'Rang essentially gives me two channels if I go stereo and hard pan different parts. I am trying to think through how to get up to four different tracks. I typically run a POD HD500 into the Boomerang and then to the board. I don't mind doing vocals and leads as overdubs, but it would be great to have at least a rhythm harmonica track, beatbox track, and bass track all separate. That would be three. I could keep the rhythm hard panned to one stereo out and the bass and beatbox together on the other? Any thoughts? Thanks! I suck at the whole recording thing on the whole, but would like to do as much in real-time as possible, so overdub after overdub would get old. If there is a different looper or software that would let me run 3-4 outputs to record with vs the 2 of the Boomerang, that is totally a possibility. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --20cf307f369ee9da3e04b88ce056 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a Boomerang III, but am interested in something that has a similar se= rial-sync option but would let me set up more looped tracks.=A0 Ideally, I = want the loops to end up as separate tracks to manipulate in post productio= n.=A0 The 'Rang essentially gives me two channels if I go stereo and ha= rd pan different parts.=A0 I am trying to think through how to get up to fo= ur different tracks.

I typically run a POD HD500 into the Boomerang and then to the board.= =A0 I don't mind doing vocals and leads as overdubs, but it would be gr= eat to have at least a rhythm harmonica track, beatbox track, and bass trac= k all separate.=A0 That would be three.=A0 I could keep the rhythm hard pan= ned to one stereo out and the bass and beatbox together on the other?

Any thoughts?=A0 Thanks!=A0 I suck at the whole recording thing on the = whole, but would like to do as much in real-time as possible, so overdub af= ter overdub would get old.=A0 If there is a different looper or software th= at would let me run 3-4 outputs to record with vs the 2 of the Boomerang, t= hat is totally a possibility.


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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazz= i.com
Facebook
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Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

--20cf307f369ee9da3e04b88ce056-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 21:36:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2451C18345D; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F343C49.4000103@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:36:09 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:36:13 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Blue Book" on NeuHarmony Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#feb Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 22:16:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52C7B183473; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=s7j8qCcdtQKX1rpiClcRnoUeFjHqNIQcUL4g8paBhig=; b=soPh06DHG6sdZxHyC8shVDtUWFUVdIsR+eip0dsUGQn2lEyROfZbH7KeGj0jlK/0TE wcoHASONVWfi5R/Vef9oagUre1tJNXFJfexcfQEvCoGRscrvz/SFELUOaZ3kxU1Vm/zV FUwEhbzMksJnhvkw0yGyHkFfdp+v2Y6vTCMFs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59231747-9931-4319-B195-E6B1291D5120@gmail.com> References: <59231747-9931-4319-B195-E6B1291D5120@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:16:24 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RC-300 From: Rusty Perez To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Search Youtube for a guy named ElijahMcBeats. He has some tutorials on it. Sounds pretty tight, but complex!!! Basically lots of effects, and 3 hours of looping time. Whose gonna create a 3 hour loop? I'm saving for a Boomerang iii. Rusty On 2/9/12, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: > Are the issues fixed??? > > On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:03, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: > >> Hi. >> Has anyone that is familiar with the RC-50 tested the RC-300? >> Joaquim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 22:18:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9987183464; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 622205.24082.bm@omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328825921; bh=LnKV1kfLOUTBvYGCs1iqIhm4nUJZkaIvWghrrgrCnQc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=Aj+nZ/rRuTe78NZWXYipbQ50GZYwji2ZoIO1g08BR4ob7DlvR7r3TMoSF/JY5vZTB7lfjT17brxZRBFpe7fFkouptCsPC6Nu+y+nleAMXExin2HEUESvB4giXXAu7aQrDSsxd1avf03MWWjO57dY+ma79FIiJSNPtYLcTW+Vsbs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cK2UzlIVM1mJdu4XpVpdX16anhRUZH7BcEY6tMU9RnrYmnb 4qq4kft3MXF2kme9r2RLifFc7ismKTltRl_oUpS_SSOd64swiDOHbqVW6JOF .YdcYuZERJfc6tUuTv5vuD4LqGZJHYpZNapxMbOrXIjg2Zum5to5Lp32sdks ELq5P.dGffegW7W3EYMGyFBuhIK9v_RnXuYvoFydeh88Jyz0RyocLcUvsyUO CG6_b6Dgsdsj9pZM_630piEELVLytjR225hXEMDU48mK_vLGvSf250_x7MtK 0w_af41GdyHEcJSKmgvxGyZRcsbu.oV5ywS9vRAvjcivN0fR1htRleQPluxL EAWkUJjStdruQyOrKPWsojrvc4UsqaVuFbKWxA7FSLO35XHJLIav0kq9pRUa 61E7NP0LvnZCWIAocgQC20rrimGE0YLuJx41DYPXrRU9m0Qofv_ANetUOlYU PzpgxmAQIVLBUn2An6Vxv8Qx33ebkWZrF9VbkAjoaFqzf0Z9.dXjnBZc2y6k Gur77AHeEhNtrGCTnzoiSWLKQ8hVTwf6tE2VfmteLH0xkT7iI5VvmdjxYvc6 oi3YxA8XjypZyA1ftSg0ygDUkGGyadmgaP59_kEpdPb0sFqXiANMvFp9ylcP TbcSAJPyY5npXu8Johj5U4mwTJA.cRUdjf7XWj7AXylFZmBziU_9rSTkPJUj zkmWPcizVQytQ74JUzCLWxjpZ2T43z.ReaoEQStSSLMXexGio22Wki6kGd_H hikeiNbaYONymqTxT2dzCRRuE.6hJvvhISA0k.yposqz_clsEzoNNotVGXDV nFTrQKQOngm02BKMDNAtFz3qj2WhG0lXi9sW.YRlK7G_p69ERL0AGZsQ1sUu 72J1prm_5CJlozKB2 X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <279CADFD-2512-4DC1-98FF-FD1FD90C92BA@carlsonarts.com> From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-478884350 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:18:38 -0800 References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:18:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-478884350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sanne, you my hero! Have you seen my arrangement of your arrangement of "Fields of Barley" by Sting? I did it after I participated in a Native American sweat lodge ceremony, so its partly inspired by Native American song, and mostly improvisatorial. Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of Gold)" http://www.myspace.com/tripleohnine I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in now, rather than a Chili Dog. Thanks! Michael Carlson (3x09) On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi > wrote: > Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. > They are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver > has a good bottom end, but is muddy. The synth route really > intrigues me, but without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell > knows what I need, lol. > > There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox > format...that is something I would need for live use. > > > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker > wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > Hi, > > I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have > a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. > Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic > synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than an > guitar octaver. > > Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ > Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, > VST) > > Good luck, > Sanne > This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. > > Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I > helped out his estate > by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really > well live for vocals. > > It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an > earlier Peavey model. > > rick walker > > > --Apple-Mail-2-478884350 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sanne, you my hero!  Have = you seen my arrangement of your arrangement of "Fields of Barley" by = Sting?  I did it after I participated in a Native American sweat = lodge ceremony, so its partly inspired by Native American song, and = mostly improvisatorial.  

Listen to "We Will = Walk (in the Fields of Gold)"

http://www.myspace.com/triple= ohnine

I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic = synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in now, rather than a Chili = Dog.

Thanks!

Michael Carlson = (3x09)

On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Sanne de = Waard wrote:

I use the MDA-VST plugin live with = PC-laptop in all these videos: http://www.youtube.co= m/user/VocaLoop/videos

On = Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com>= wrote:
Any sound = samples?  I don't think the POD HD synths will work well.  = They are just to glitchy even with just vocals.  The bass octaver = has a good bottom end, but is muddy.  The synth route really = intrigues me, but without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell = knows what I need, lol.

There appears to be nothing like the DBX = or Peavey in stompbox format...that is something I would need for live = use.


----------
Mike = Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

=

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, = Sanne de Waard wrote:
= Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but = I do have a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal = percussion. Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a = subharmonic synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than = an guitar octaver.

Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA = Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne
=
This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.

Also, =  a few years back when Elliot Smith died,  my wife and I = helped out his estate
by buying a one rack hardware suboctave = generator that works really
well live for vocals.

It's = buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an earlier = Peavey model.

rick walker
=

=


= --Apple-Mail-2-478884350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 22:43:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6849218345E; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ym6xZvWwoh2nKngN0Z3GIEobGS92g+mwxwhEb4I7RHE=; b=BHFL5lgKZZ/UTxxzwWLaa7eL4ooAMcNhF3mkJmx18OghqFMlEWl316VYeCp15yYPrj 3caAL6nhxoscvQEm89DuOYOwvGP/Icd7Ycd5Szt3rvg3gNT/ha8SYwWuCewbsFD9W+19 pdJ9g/Ll1SfkNdWgFB5TQDmV0ZHkL3VbxQ3og= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:42:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f6117dd5404b88fbdb3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:43:20 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340f6117dd5404b88fbdb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, Jeff! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > http://www.audiomastersforum.net/amforum/index.php?topic=8230.0;wap2 > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> So I need to check what the computer is at and what my interface is at >> and what my DAW is set to, right? I never would have had the background to >> come up with that topic for Google. That is half the problem...I just >> don't have a lot of the vocab to ask about this stuff intelligently. >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> >>> Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at >>> 24 bit 44.1 hz. >>> >>> I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" :) >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>>> Impossible to Google...I don't even know what to call it. I wouldn't >>>> be shocked if it was something this simple. I've been through three >>>> interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, four octavers, countless cables, two >>>> room set-ups, and three sets of headphones/speakrs (not to mention posting >>>> on half a dozen forums for help). I am out of complicated problems to >>>> check, lol. >>>> >>>> Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers my >>>> hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane. >>>> ---------- >>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>> vocals/harmonica >>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>> Facebook >>>> YouTube >>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and >>>>> when broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed >>>>> it but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard >>>>> to Google an issue like this :) hope it helps >>>>> >>>>> j >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> OMG!!!! You may be on to something! I've been trying to figure this >>>>>> out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that 1.) >>>>>> I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even if this isn't my magic bullet, THANK YOU! I can't communicate >>>>>> enough how appreciative I am that you and others on this list have taken >>>>>> time to help me trouble shoot. >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>> Facebook >>>>>> YouTube >>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... >>>>>>> http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2908 might have some >>>>>>> useful info... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> j >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue: >>>>>>>> http://mikefugazzi.com/files/BassRinging.mp3 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would say no, Richard. I've tried monitoring literally every way >>>>>>>> I can. All the evidence suggests the problem occurs AFTER the recording >>>>>>>> interface. >>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just a shot in the dark here (did not read the thread). Is it >>>>>>>>> possible depending on where you are plugging in your head phones the audio >>>>>>>>> is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are being cut off? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No. That's the thing. I had always used the headphone jack of >>>>>>>>> the Blackjack to listen previously. Since I was on a different level of >>>>>>>>> the house, I used the computer's jack. That being said, it doesn't matter >>>>>>>>> how I record, I get that sound on the bass parts. However, it appears if I >>>>>>>>> use the BJ to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it >>>>>>>>> isn't there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will double check this tonight. At first I thought it was the >>>>>>>>> headphones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on >>>>>>>>> playback, it can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my >>>>>>>>> iPod or smart phone). >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi >>>>>>>>> vocals/harmonica >>>>>>>>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>>>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>>>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy butler < >>>>>>>>> akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears >>>>>>>>>>> the computer will not only create this interference, but include it on >>>>>>>>>>> playback (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass >>>>>>>>>>> part will probably yield similar results). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> andy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --14dae9340f6117dd5404b88fbdb3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks, Jeff!
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gm= ail.com> wrote:
http://www.audiomastersforum.net/amforum/index.ph= p?topic=3D8230.0;wap2



On Thu,= Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
So I need to check what the computer is at a= nd what my interface is at and what my DAW is set to, right?=A0 I never wou= ld have had the background to come up with that topic for Google.=A0 That i= s half the problem...I just don't have a lot of the vocab to ask about = this stuff intelligently.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 7 default is 48 hz I believe. I checked and mine is now set at 24 b= it 44.1 hz.

I finally googled "audio artifacts windows 7" = :)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike = Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Impossible to Google...I don't even know= what to call it.=A0 I wouldn't be shocked if it was something this sim= ple.=A0 I've been through three interfaces, 3 DAWs, two pedal boards, f= our octavers, countless cables, two room set-ups, and three sets of headpho= nes/speakrs (not to mention posting on half a dozen forums for help).=A0 I = am out of complicated problems to check, lol.

Like I said, even if this doesn't solve the issue, it just furthers= my hypothesis that it is computer related and I am not insane.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
I was having issues that sounded just like your mp3 when recording and when= broadcasting. The only thing is I can't remember exactly how I fixed i= t but it was something simple like this or may have been this. Very hard to= Google an issue like this :) hope it helps

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mi= ke Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
OMG!!!!=A0 You may be on to something!=A0 I've been trying to figure th= is out since September and this is the first piece of actual evidence that = 1.) I am not insane and 2.) there may be a fix.

Even if this isn'= ;t my magic bullet, THANK YOU!=A0 I can't communicate enough how apprec= iative I am that you and others on this list have taken time to help me tro= uble shoot.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Duk= e <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a thought, I don't know if your on Windows 7 ... http://w= ww.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D2908 might have some useful in= fo...

j

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a freshly recorded take of the issue:=A0 http://mikefugazzi.com/fil= es/BassRinging.mp3

I would say no, Richard.=A0 I've tried mo= nitoring literally every way I can.=A0 All the evidence suggests the proble= m occurs AFTER the recording interface.=A0
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Richard = <rhrives@verizon.net> wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here (did not read th= e thread). Is it possible depending on where you are plugging in your head = phones the audio is being reduce to a mp3 file where the lower freq are bei= ng cut off?

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
No.=A0 That's th= e thing.=A0 I had always used the headphone jack of the Blackjack to listen= previously.=A0 Since I was on a different level of the house, I used the c= omputer's jack.=A0 That being said, it doesn't matter how I record,= I get that sound on the bass parts.=A0 However, it appears if I use the BJ= to playback music, it is either so buried I can't hear it or it isn= 9;t there.

I will double check this tonight.=A0 At first I thought it was the head= phones, but if that sound gets recorded, and others hear it on playback, it= can't be the cans (I also have had no issues with them on my iPod or s= mart phone).
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, andy but= ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the= computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playbac= k (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part wil= l probably yield similar results).

So are you listening to Vic Wooten using the BlackJack outputs?



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--14dae9340f6117dd5404b88fbdb3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 23:38:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2568E183466; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=L6187HGv0thxz7PIcOlZdtbjqmflxpyWbPAszesTW7g=; b=g90Nvl6vVc6eZT6HhRdeMa12IqI1/B0oJ69iTU3EI8WJz9GjxhJpnPciPEjjWz9Q13 IatdvrULoEt1QIwYftPI/9+gMgotipHvkH9isSNqNC1ptVYzb7yPYtFcRNVWWU7qcstz EbZL51FF/pEIazUvV5o6MxwAH4gXUu0ZU/zF4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 18:38:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04190ba4c520ce04b89082b3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:38:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04190ba4c520ce04b89082b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wonderful!!! :) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > PROBLEM > SOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Thanks, Jeff! > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > --f46d04190ba4c520ce04b89082b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wonderful!!! :)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:= 42 PM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks, Jeff!
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



--f46d04190ba4c520ce04b89082b3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 02:40:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8966B183466; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=8BagLlNDV3yCmXPQngTPTt1ByZ7eaw6avhMye7CBQb8=; b=FUPLIYokKOfN5TggsDYt0yBxtyidvC/NFAy+gn30OSO6M3JNVTYa7GaKLUw/FwAVY5 bGzvt66ccT0cHr0GmtiKSbblXKVuzeonrrryOWP0Vrz/h5VVNzSQ41Z49AFhVYsw4Ra6 4FaC90bDoiICvStoFoTbfQqp/Brh1G/XNC+mI= Message-ID: <4f3483ac.c702440a.44c6.2979@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:40:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Recording Multiple Loop Tracks From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:40:47 +0000 (UTC) im not sure if i fully understand what you're looking for but i'll give it a shot lol. What I use is mobius which can work as a VST plugin or standalone software looper with 8 stereo out trakcks. You can set each track to a different port and then record them seperately with instances of TapeIt which is VST recorder the records the signal directly from your DAW mixer track that is in. -----Original Message----- Date: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:18:41 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike Fugazzi" Subject: Recording Multiple Loop Tracks I use a Boomerang III, but am interested in something that has a similar serial-sync option but would let me set up more looped tracks. Ideally, I want the loops to end up as separate tracks to manipulate in post production. The 'Rang essentially gives me two channels if I go stereo and hard pan different parts. I am trying to think through how to get up to four different tracks. I typically run a POD HD500 into the Boomerang and then to the board. I don't mind doing vocals and leads as overdubs, but it would be great to have at least a rhythm harmonica track, beatbox track, and bass track all separate. That would be three. I could keep the rhythm hard panned to one stereo out and the bass and beatbox together on the other? Any thoughts? Thanks! I suck at the whole recording thing on the whole, but would like to do as much in real-time as possible, so overdub after overdub would get old. If there is a different looper or software that would let me run 3-4 outputs to record with vs the 2 of the Boomerang, that is totally a possibility. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 04:13:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54332183464; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=GQLvV9vhf0bNiLrqf+ZQv9OQxf30IMkM0T/iP7OCwak=; b=M5NEWCArX3UjpxlXkGCom97XwJQAcq/4kwK+zpJtB3uzX3Nlhznf50yJZf5YA8dyea pDBdwbXmRpqnY5ppiPXePZEBNsNcJnt5heWWrQvgV5a+uBenqrMvJc1exzIam9DEwXJS FZFseCAJBfCnBeMy9d7a7R4COS+a6ksF7sAZY= Message-Id: <1EA13775-7072-4F23-B284-D7013148D721@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT: Bandcamp Album release Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 20:13:44 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:13:50 +0000 (UTC) I decided to give Bandcamp a try and it does have some nice flexibility in its options. And I like that there is more to hear than 30 sec clips for anyone interested. http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz The title track is the soundtrack for the Manhattan video some might have seen on my Youtube channel. That audio was equalized to a Crappy Speaker preset that cuts off the bottom end. The album track is the full spectrum audio. The loopiest track is #5 - Digression - with at least 3 guitar loops done with RC20 and Ableton. Just basic ostinato type stuff. regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 06:31:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC7E8183466; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jGv/c8JojzSlipnw1wK4ZIUjqEOOuui8T5q5wyMhFeI=; b=hC9/t49upuuxAwefyfBAECKR8XShNY7ipHNAAeF7HOElJaCa8NKJgJ8NZFyfS7gvKx w325IhRWh7d5v14NrDf+HYk0T2X+CnUArWS7EbDDmiv0Fb/28/y+QmERwbPI/GzkDHsp kkgWCpStEUlKn5rdF+RURS+4scEkHC2oXLYzA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4f3483ac.c702440a.44c6.2979@mx.google.com> References: <4f3483ac.c702440a.44c6.2979@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:31:17 +0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recording Multiple Loop Tracks From: Boris Plotnikov To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:31:19 +0000 (UTC) For postprodiction you can split signal at any place and you will have single part of your future loop and you can loop it using DAW lately. I'd do that way - split signal before looper (AFAIK HD500 have bunch of outputs). And route one output to left channel of audio i/f, and then route Boomerang output to the right channel of audio i/f and you will get certain sounds one time each and whole loop and you can adjust lenght of every loop looking at complete performance waveform. 2012/2/10 k3zz21@gmail.com : > im not sure if i fully understand what you're looking for but i'll give i= t a shot lol. What I use is mobius which can work as a VST plugin or standa= lone software looper with 8 stereo out trakcks. You can set each track to a= different port and then record them seperately with instances of TapeIt wh= ich is VST recorder the records the signal directly from your DAW mixer tra= ck that is in. > -----Original Message----- > Date: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:18:41 am > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: "Mike Fugazzi" > Subject: Recording Multiple Loop Tracks > > I use a Boomerang III, but am interested in something that has a similar > serial-sync option but would let me set up more looped tracks. =A0Ideally= , I > want the loops to end up as separate tracks to manipulate in post > production. =A0The 'Rang essentially gives me two channels if I go stereo= and > hard pan different parts. =A0I am trying to think through how to get up t= o > four different tracks. > > I typically run a POD HD500 into the Boomerang and then to the board. =A0= I > don't mind doing vocals and leads as overdubs, but it would be great to > have at least a rhythm harmonica track, beatbox track, and bass track all > separate. =A0That would be three. =A0I could keep the rhythm hard panned = to one > stereo out and the bass and beatbox together on the other? > > Any thoughts? =A0Thanks! =A0I suck at the whole recording thing on the wh= ole, > but would like to do as much in real-time as possible, so overdub after > overdub would get old. =A0If there is a different looper or software that > would let me run 3-4 outputs to record with vs the 2 of the Boomerang, th= at > is totally a possibility. > > > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > --=20 Thanks, Boris Plotnikov http://borisplotnikov.ru From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 09:04:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAD90183473; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 721619706/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.254/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.254 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAInbNE9YbRn+/2dsb2JhbAAMN7JlAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwQmLfAEFBAMEBAcOBgEDCAEFBxUCAQIBgxECUBMNAxUEBziDHQSad40b X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,395,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="721619706" Message-ID: <4F34DD9B.9050105@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:04:27 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect References: <4F328408.6010902@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Mike Fugazzi wrote: > PROBLEM > SOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeeeeeaaaah! andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 09:12:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E998183463; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 721622523/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.254/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.254 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMncNE9YbRn+/2dsb2JhbAAMN7JmAQEBAwE4QBELFQwWDwkDAgECAQ82GQMBh3i5D4g3gyYfAQUEAwQEBw4GAQMIAQUHFwMBgxECUHuDHQSad4VIh1M X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,395,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="721622523" Message-ID: <4F34DF6C.3030405@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:12:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording Multiple Loop Tracks References: <4f3483ac.c702440a.44c6.2979@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:12:01 +0000 (UTC) >> From: "Mike Fugazzi" >> Any thoughts? Thanks! I suck at the whole recording thing on the whole, >> but would like to do as much in real-time as possible, so overdub after >> overdub would get old. One very useful method for making studio recordings of loop performance is to record your live input pre loop to a track or two at the same time as recording the output of the looper. Once that's done you can create a multitrack session by using the DAW to loop the appropriate sections of the live recording. (using the live loop recording as a guide). andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 14:31:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25DAA183466; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=GU6FJ0d7j5YA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=2NWUB-hxAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=cI1ns0E9AAAA:20 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=owGL2wWlAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=B12hzvaxAAAA:8 a=BP6CJPpwAAAA:8 a=MeW9W36GsbZ_vp7LTIgA:9 a=bP1k3zDNP-DdEn_McnYA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KcNPh0dDi5wA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=8C6aXkpvvtGejZuInZMA:9 a=408vKoizfHjjJoIOjA8A:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=P//BsyFZ+DxJcHbK54wT7w==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <279CADFD-2512-4DC1-98FF-FD1FD90C92BA@carlsonarts.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B73B3C1C-4725-4271-AE6E-81E0B668EEA9 In-Reply-To: <279CADFD-2512-4DC1-98FF-FD1FD90C92BA@carlsonarts.com> Message-Id: <9A3A5A8A-86A8-42A2-92B7-1A2D98503AAD@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:57:03 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:31:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-B73B3C1C-4725-4271-AE6E-81E0B668EEA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Once again I will post my anti-Chili Dog sentiments. I can't believe anybody= would have anything to say good about that effect. I disliked mine so much I= wonder if it wasn't defective.=20 Chaz Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Sanne, you my hero! Have you seen my arrangement of your arrangement of "= Fields of Barley" by Sting? I did it after I participated in a Native Ameri= can sweat lodge ceremony, so its partly inspired by Native American song, an= d mostly improvisatorial. =20 >=20 > Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of Gold)" >=20 > http://www.myspace.com/tripleohnine >=20 > I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in now,= rather than a Chili Dog. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Michael Carlson (3x09) >=20 > On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >=20 >> I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos: http://= www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos >>=20 >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrot= e: >> Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. They= are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a good bot= tom end, but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me, but without a r= eference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lol. >>=20 >> There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox format...t= hat is something I would need for live use. >>=20 >>=20 >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lo= t of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of us= ing an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results actual= ly are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >>=20 >> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)= >>=20 >> Good luck, >> Sanne >> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. >>=20 >> Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I helped out= his estate >> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really >> well live for vocals. >>=20 >> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an earl= ier Peavey model. >>=20 >> rick walker >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-B73B3C1C-4725-4271-AE6E-81E0B668EEA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Once again I will post my a= nti-Chili Dog sentiments. I can't believe anybody would have anything to say= good about that effect. I disliked mine so much I wonder if it wasn't defec= tive. 

Chaz

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote:

=
Sanne, you my hero!  Have you seen my ar= rangement of your arrangement of "Fields of Barley" by Sting?  I did it= after I participated in a Native American sweat lodge ceremony, so its part= ly inspired by Native American song, and mostly improvisatorial.  
=
Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of Gold)"
http://www.mysp= ace.com/tripleohnine

I think I'll look for a sub-= harmonic synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in now, rather than a Chili Dog.
=
Thanks!

Michael Carlson (3x09)
=

On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote:
I u= se the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/Vo= caLoop/videos

On Wed, Feb 8, 2= 012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Any sound samples?  I don't think the POD HD synths w= ill work well.  They are just to glitchy even with just vocals.  T= he bass octaver has a good bottom end, but is muddy.  The synth route r= eally intrigues me, but without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell k= nows what I need, lol.

There appears to be nothing like the DBX or P= eavey in stompbox format...that is something I would need for live use.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker <= looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
= On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote:

H= ardware: http://ww= w.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-B= ass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne
This i= s Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.

Also,  a few years back wh= en Elliot Smith died,  my wife and I helped out his estate
by buyin= g a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really
well live fo= r vocals.

It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I thin= k it was an earlier Peavey model.

ric= k walker




<= /body>= --Apple-Mail-B73B3C1C-4725-4271-AE6E-81E0B668EEA9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 17:01:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A58B18345D; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 447646.29672.bm@smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: IK6B6doVM1nzn1fl3ScS8j.e7kc8J.sJAz5CeM4liMrTUuL nEvKrtbaxPg_.ZT76A8Tfbhmce2Y5Ff6CmEUCFamQ3J_yLjAeljhXd8KHVCn E1RbtxMJvyjbHRlqMPTH6uZRQ0PvT.99H9Dsd2X5OUv9pdK3zdimYCJnS4sV 0Zj9qwU_5KND.cSV5TaHMReECl_vyNNZi3K2oFg96cibuyKAlqxiPntYSJQy cBGom9Dzl2KmUlqEJNddv2KBVxANnIWXJEFn0sVRJCXGg84xRt3XG6g_gH0H Y3rLYcJ8qwla8Epj.ksQ4fUet1L3i6RufnMaeDR2Ta1qy6hJJVCL3Pld5Ejf u1.nat.2dVuCYkcdWu_8ug2y.9tW71Ex.IoC_cnajP5O3KqsqCaAdW9BqyD. 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Michael On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:57 AM, chaz worm wrote: > Once again I will post my anti-Chili Dog sentiments. I can't believe = anybody would have anything to say good about that effect. I disliked = mine so much I wonder if it wasn't defective.=20 >=20 > Chaz >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: >=20 >> Sanne, you my hero! Have you seen my arrangement of your arrangement = of "Fields of Barley" by Sting? I did it after I participated in a = Native American sweat lodge ceremony, so its partly inspired by Native = American song, and mostly improvisatorial. =20 >>=20 >> Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of Gold)" >>=20 >> http://www.myspace.com/tripleohnine >>=20 >> I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in = now, rather than a Chili Dog. >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Michael Carlson (3x09) >>=20 >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >>=20 >>> I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos: = http://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi = wrote: >>> Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. = They are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a = good bottom end, but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me, but = without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, = lol. >>>=20 >>> There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox = format...that is something I would need for live use. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker = wrote: >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have = a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. = Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. = The results actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >>>=20 >>> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >>> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, = VST) >>>=20 >>> Good luck, >>> Sanne >>> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. >>>=20 >>> Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I = helped out his estate >>> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really >>> well live for vocals. >>>=20 >>> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an = earlier Peavey model. >>>=20 >>> rick walker >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-1-546239252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii yeah, = chaz, but sometimes you just have to have a chili = dog.

Michael

On Feb 10, 2012, = at 5:57 AM, chaz worm wrote:

Once again I will post my anti-Chili Dog = sentiments. I can't believe anybody would have anything to say good = about that effect. I disliked mine so much I wonder if it wasn't = defective. 

Chaz

Sent from my = iPhone

On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> = wrote:

Sanne, you = my hero!  Have you seen my arrangement of your arrangement of = "Fields of Barley" by Sting?  I did it after I participated in a = Native American sweat lodge ceremony, so its partly inspired by Native = American song, and mostly improvisatorial. =  

Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of = Gold)"

http://www.myspace.com/triple= ohnine

I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic = synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in now, rather than a Chili = Dog.

Thanks!

Michael Carlson = (3x09)

On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Sanne de = Waard wrote:

I use the MDA-VST plugin live with = PC-laptop in all these videos: http://www.youtube.co= m/user/VocaLoop/videos

On = Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com>= wrote:
Any sound = samples?  I don't think the POD HD synths will work well.  = They are just to glitchy even with just vocals.  The bass octaver = has a good bottom end, but is muddy.  The synth route really = intrigues me, but without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell = knows what I need, lol.

There appears to be nothing like the DBX = or Peavey in stompbox format...that is something I would need for live = use.


----------
Mike = Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

=

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, = Sanne de Waard wrote:
= Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but = I do have a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal = percussion. Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a = subharmonic synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than = an guitar octaver.

Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA = Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne
=
This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.

Also, =  a few years back when Elliot Smith died,  my wife and I = helped out his estate
by buying a one rack hardware suboctave = generator that works really
well live for vocals.

It's = buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an earlier = Peavey model.

rick walker
=

=



= --Apple-Mail-1-546239252-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 22:04:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DCA6183466; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAHOTNU8yaAQq/2dsb2JhbABEr2aCez2CK8A/i0oQDQ8CBgcEBwsUAQUUEwMDAYMXBQY9CQJ0gjpjBIhJkkGNKQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,398,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="225030495" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.4.42] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.4.42 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Vonnegut Quote Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:11:26 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <_Fz29B.A.4SH.4RZNPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:04:40 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure how many of you have seen this quote--maybe lots of you, =20= for all I know. But it was new to me, and I thought it was worth =20 passing along, since y'all are probably the most creative, wacky bunch =20= of people I know. Maybe it'll prove to be a renewed source of =20 inspiration or purpose. > =93...go into the arts. I'm not kidding. The arts are not a way to =20 > make a living. They are a very human way of making life more =20 > bearable. Practicing an art, no matter how well or badly, is a way =20 > to make your soul grow, for heaven's sake. Sing in the shower. Dance =20= > to the radio. Tell stories. Write a poem to a friend, even a lousy =20 > poem. Do it as well as you possibly can. You will get an enormous =20 > reward. You will have created something.=94 Kurt Vonnegut Jeff= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 22:31:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E944B183464; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pO4pDMK61ATBWJSj1PP/5wF0yUN1kWNpp1ECtn2DmB4=; b=iKX1PMdyohGXdQO4nkQqdLAnn4OQF7ID5e7+ZJ9YLE5y19XizdHPi6lu4DTClFLHuW c04XdU/68pL++I7znH8Ea6tDfdJss1iYXaWsPA+9/FfUygD40XK8Wy+iwJPn7b4ivEPB xmrNsV+DENg231TrpU/19KcsZdamJHOTPYSQc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:31:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CWEC_Pc2zD6bkVMt_rfgnt3DLXs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vonnegut Quote From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151740269cfb432e04b8a3afcd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:31:19 +0000 (UTC) --00151740269cfb432e04b8a3afcd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "A plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit." -KV On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote= : > I'm not sure how many of you have seen this quote--maybe lots of you, for > all I know. But it was new to me, and I thought it was worth passing alon= g, > since y'all are probably the most creative, wacky bunch of people I know. > Maybe it'll prove to be a renewed source of inspiration or purpose. > > =93...go into the arts. I'm not kidding. The arts are not a way to make = a >> living. They are a very human way of making life more bearable. Practici= ng >> an art, no matter how well or badly, is a way to make your soul grow, fo= r >> heaven's sake. Sing in the shower. Dance to the radio. Tell stories. Wri= te >> a poem to a friend, even a lousy poem. Do it as well as you possibly can= . >> You will get an enormous reward. You will have created something.=94 Kur= t >> Vonnegut >> > > Jeff > --00151740269cfb432e04b8a3afcd Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "A plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being ali= ve at least a little bit." -KV

On Fr= i, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com> wrote:
I'm not sure how many of you have seen t= his quote--maybe lots of you, for all I know. But it was new to me, and I t= hought it was worth passing along, since y'all are probably the most cr= eative, wacky bunch of people I know. Maybe it'll prove to be a renewed= source of inspiration or purpose.

=93...go into the arts. I'm not kidding. The arts are not a way to make= a living. They are a very human way of making life more bearable. Practici= ng an art, no matter how well or badly, is a way to make your soul grow, fo= r heaven's sake. Sing in the shower. Dance to the radio. Tell stories. = Write a poem to a friend, even a lousy poem. Do it as well as you possibly = can. You will get an enormous reward. You will have created something.=94 K= urt Vonnegut

Jeff

--00151740269cfb432e04b8a3afcd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 02:32:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CD1C183461; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=hYzs5CA4oQatcEXj9jXuRDRa9tbvp2KoV6LTXdpS42k=; b=s5RmIc2PqQReCCp4m2zm41xxLbU+FZapJbpcf9tbDWn3Px8PR+FpTgpSLSaJJVF4PY xUUD86EL/Qi/PAyy+JLTcdHRPIti0KzPuoAdKJtnYG5K3/8U0JSQgWs7fZgzb/KfGuwK jPviLE2x3OHx4ku3GkATeBYFmoTxLpYNJgwmE= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1552757138 Message-ID:<1552757138-1328927556-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1805438702-@b15.c28.bise6.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Vonnegut Quote To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:32:35 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:32:40 +0000 (UTC) V293IEkgZG9uJ3Qga25vdyB0aGF0IGplZmYsIGJ1dCBzcGVha3Mgdm9sdW1lcywgdGhhbmsgeW91 IGZvciBwb3N0aW5nLg0KDQpKaW0NCi0tLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLS0NCkZyb206 IEplZmYgU2hpcmtleQ0KVG86IGxvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tDQpS ZXBseVRvOiBsb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQ0KU3ViamVjdDogVm9u bmVndXQgUXVvdGUNClNlbnQ6IEZlYiAxMCwgMjAxMiA1OjExIFBNDQoNCkknbSBub3Qgc3VyZSBo b3cgbWFueSBvZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSBzZWVuIHRoaXMgcXVvdGUtLW1heWJlIGxvdHMgb2YgeW91LCAg DQpmb3IgYWxsIEkga25vdy4gQnV0IGl0IHdhcyBuZXcgdG8gbWUsIGFuZCBJIHRob3VnaHQgaXQg d2FzIHdvcnRoICANCnBhc3NpbmcgYWxvbmcsIHNpbmNlIHknYWxsIGFyZSBwcm9iYWJseSB0aGUg bW9zdCBjcmVhdGl2ZSwgd2Fja3kgYnVuY2ggIA0Kb2YgcGVvcGxlIEkga25vdy4gTWF5YmUgaXQn bGwgcHJvdmUgdG8gYmUgYSByZW5ld2VkIHNvdXJjZSBvZiAgDQppbnNwaXJhdGlvbiBvciBwdXJw b3NlLg0KDQo+IJMuLi5nbyBpbnRvIHRoZSBhcnRzLiBJJ20gbm90IGtpZGRpbmcuIFRoZSBhcnRz IGFyZSBub3QgYSB3YXkgdG8gIA0KPiBtYWtlIGEgbGl2aW5nLiBUaGV5IGFyZSBhIHZlcnkgaHVt YW4gd2F5IG9mIG1ha2luZyBsaWZlIG1vcmUgIA0KPiBiZWFyYWJsZS4gUHJhY3RpY2luZyBhbiBh cnQsIG5vIG1hdHRlciBob3cgd2VsbCBvciBiYWRseSwgaXMgYSB3YXkgIA0KPiB0byBtYWtlIHlv dXIgc291bCBncm93LCBmb3IgaGVhdmVuJ3Mgc2FrZS4gU2luZyBpbiB0aGUgc2hvd2VyLiBEYW5j ZSAgDQo+IHRvIHRoZSByYWRpby4gVGVsbCBzdG9yaWVzLiBXcml0ZSBhIHBvZW0gdG8gYSBmcmll bmQsIGV2ZW4gYSBsb3VzeSAgDQo+IHBvZW0uIERvIGl0IGFzIHdlbGwgYXMgeW91IHBvc3NpYmx5 IGNhbi4gWW91IHdpbGwgZ2V0IGFuIGVub3Jtb3VzICANCj4gcmV3YXJkLiBZb3Ugd2lsbCBoYXZl IGNyZWF0ZWQgc29tZXRoaW5nLpQgS3VydCBWb25uZWd1dA0KDQpKZWZmDQoNClNlbnQgb24gdGhl IFNwcmludK4gTm93IE5ldHdvcmsgZnJvbSBteSBCbGFja0JlcnJ5rg== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 03:49:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB144183463; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1762195071==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120211034921.7180.51571.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:49:22 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Soundlap, a new computer program dedicated to sound loops! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1762195071== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20A=20few=20months=20back,=20I=20created=20a=20computer=20applicatio= n=20called=20Soundlap.=20It=20asks=20you=20 to=20enter=20a=20manipulation=20level=20and=20a=20submanipulation=20level= =20for=20the=20audio.=20The=20manipulation=20level=20is=20the=20 number=20of=20media=20players=20you=20want=20to=20open.=20You=20only=20see= =20one=20program,=20but,=20virtually,=20it's=20opening=20 multiple=20media=20players.=20And,=20because=20computers=20are=20slow=20som= etimes,=20they=20don't=20all=20open=20 simultaneously,=20so=20you=20get=20the=20"overlap=20loop"=20sound.=20It=20t= hen=20asks=20for=20the=20submanipulation=20level.=20 This=20is=20the=20number=20of=20times=20a=20sound=20repeats=20in=20each=20m= edia=20player.=20For=20example,=20if=20you=20put=207=20in=20the=20 first=20box,=20and=2020=20in=20the=20second,=20it=20will=20play=207=20overl= apping=20copies=2020=20times.=20Now=20you=20can=20see=20why=20this=20 is=20appropriate=20for=20a=20loop=20messageboard.=20And=20this=20app=20runs= =20right=20in=20your=20web=20browser.=20This=20app=20 requires=20that=20you=20have=20enabled=20Javascript=20(referred=20to=20as= =20Javascript,=20script,=20or=20active=20content)=20 in=20a=20web=20browser.=20The=20whole=20app=20is=20Javascript-based,=20so= =20it's=20required=20you=20have=20it=20on.=20Lucky=20 me,=20I=20have=20a=20browser=20where=20it=20is=20always=20on,=20and=20you= =20can't=20switch=20it.=20When=20it=20asks=20for=20a=20file=20name,=20eithe= r=20 paste=20in=20a=20path=20to=20the=20file,=20or=20just=20type=20the=20name=20= of=20the=20file=20(if=20it=20is=20in=20the=20same=20folder=20as=20the=20app= ).=20 This=20app=20was=20developed=20by=20me,=20developed=20for=20my=20media=20sy= stem,=20Prosomawi=20Media.=20(Sorry,=20no=20 apps=20are=20posted=20on=20the=20Prosomawi=20website=20yet).=20Anyone=20wan= t=20to=20become=20a=20Prosomawi=20beta=20 tester,=20or=20just=20simply=20get=20a=20copy=20of=20this=20loop?=20Email= =20me=20at=20programmer651@comcast.net Tyler=20Zahnke --===============1762195071==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 05:39:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8A08183462; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 204882.68662.bm@omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1328938789; bh=y+4Zv6tKMcJCo4cgm5T2RV6PB2NN++jvydsDmhznj8c=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=VjNAmPMPa3S0xHOT88rWxV46sZZM07oDLb2vAyEn6aWgX8s9BpZy6kkSa8cAMYlLue0G3ZVz5aPkoZOFVWEczvT6pGFWPdt6p9LhoVHkAb0YVHgTifhEwquuTvjKwhGrJX+pVSeR2HG1MsntipbXF7QqL88oawxVN6MkBYvFsCo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: .t_u5h8VM1llTfdw0Vj6K0wjAvh6m9SdU_sQGwoWYW81p3f 4bJMyY0cn.5DGy0MwWFVAZ0lpT.r1NFNT0oxpQOAzHOEK4oAzxHwQ4L6AM6e vMFFsp97aLx4nN6DAb6p7pWpo.awpF9iHEWl3.h1IzorX3k21RXnOwmXzwxT BsVI2BGiO_axJ83dkf.HN_z3lY6EuehbjaBTJDCcyQfko2BiGpV4YlFcNHA8 sFt49HlGe8Dr2acOHzNrwPZwtybo05a_C0_k2IaTxTCPh8yj9oyrNJ77HLhI enl0nRmwgq2u0WH6Qc0FHSulnHE1qzAFQAGpEwkvHXSWoCZ9iwgJCWOgMqgD ZDyBmcQmB_ZCE3Di68Emgb2e.NE9oZ.eh1Meex0dTwEOdX4wnSVsqc73mSpU katuufBrOkh_dpxWFvdXB1dqW79nfOdpSm5wTAlFCDSVstLWEEUAD8jj.Wyn FQXZw6ucdcbME_skZTHJFKdaMCmmUP8Swjt8E4o.j5CuIX8JpyuQh1030rct 2NFKLI0.HXy.AWnS._WylZNqd_OX3qRzRDyr84eRah60XqdoQduIKvuyQwrM _UdeVtNNhUSGMWANBdXX9A_MI9Px_rv6u_IJZokX0b1m19z.q94JRse2fzOH suuAU4Rhy7d7wQIbWCpql2WFSj0Ijud.Fg6BzVJK0DzqJgOo3n3u50RdpBbT lqq5kIa6J3x2QzJ0L_7dIRd6Bz52qZ0sGrskvZgZoLfylsfxz0MEZh2pUmgp bdAI4nCwlgsNX.t7.pjSeMdbOxmctlCa1ajYqP7RSmdFWvqdDOHUiqiJBK_D PvyfNmfSBsqS0eWFg8sak3ADx_Nhu1ue9TDU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-591752955 Subject: Mainstage CPU Temperature Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:39:47 -0800 In-Reply-To: <9A3A5A8A-86A8-42A2-92B7-1A2D98503AAD@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <279CADFD-2512-4DC1-98FF-FD1FD90C92BA@carlsonarts.com> <9A3A5A8A-86A8-42A2-92B7-1A2D98503AAD@earthwormandfire.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:39:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-591752955 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Has anyone else experienced a lot of temperature increase when running = Mainstage? I have a 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro, aluminum (Intel Core 2 Duo). = i just installed Snow Leopard and Mainstage today. Even without using = more than one instrument in Mainstage, its heating up the bottom of the = Macbook quite a bit, to where its uncomfortable on my lap. =20 I know, I know, I should get a laptop cooler. But are there some = settings I can change in Mainstage to cool things down? I don't want to = burn out another logic board if I can avoid it. =20 Peace, Michael Carlson (3x09) On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:57 AM, chaz worm wrote: > Once again I will post my anti-Chili Dog sentiments. I can't believe = anybody would have anything to say good about that effect. I disliked = mine so much I wonder if it wasn't defective.=20 >=20 > Chaz >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: >=20 >> Sanne, you my hero! Have you seen my arrangement of your arrangement = of "Fields of Barley" by Sting? I did it after I participated in a = Native American sweat lodge ceremony, so its partly inspired by Native = American song, and mostly improvisatorial. =20 >>=20 >> Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of Gold)" >>=20 >> http://www.myspace.com/tripleohnine >>=20 >> I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in = now, rather than a Chili Dog. >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Michael Carlson (3x09) >>=20 >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >>=20 >>> I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos: = http://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi = wrote: >>> Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. = They are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a = good bottom end, but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me, but = without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, = lol. >>>=20 >>> There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox = format...that is something I would need for live use. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ---------- >>> Mike Fugazzi >>> vocals/harmonica >>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >>> Facebook >>> YouTube >>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker = wrote: >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have = a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. = Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. = The results actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >>>=20 >>> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >>> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, = VST) >>>=20 >>> Good luck, >>> Sanne >>> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. >>>=20 >>> Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I = helped out his estate >>> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really >>> well live for vocals. >>>=20 >>> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an = earlier Peavey model. >>>=20 >>> rick walker >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-1-591752955 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = all,

Has anyone else experienced a lot of temperature = increase when running Mainstage?  I have a 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro, = aluminum (Intel Core 2 Duo).  i just installed Snow Leopard and = Mainstage today.  Even without using more than one instrument in = Mainstage, its heating up the bottom of the Macbook quite a bit, to = where its uncomfortable on my lap.  

I = know, I know, I should get a laptop cooler.  But are there some = settings I can change in Mainstage to cool things down?  I don't = want to burn out another logic board if I can avoid it. =  

Peace,
Michael Carlson = (3x09)


On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:57 = AM, chaz worm wrote:

Once again I will post my anti-Chili Dog = sentiments. I can't believe anybody would have anything to say good = about that effect. I disliked mine so much I wonder if it wasn't = defective. 

Chaz

Sent from my = iPhone

On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> = wrote:

Sanne, you = my hero!  Have you seen my arrangement of your arrangement of = "Fields of Barley" by Sting?  I did it after I participated in a = Native American sweat lodge ceremony, so its partly inspired by Native = American song, and mostly improvisatorial. =  

Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of = Gold)"

http://www.myspace.com/triple= ohnine

I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic = synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in now, rather than a Chili = Dog.

Thanks!

Michael Carlson = (3x09)

On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Sanne de = Waard wrote:

I use the MDA-VST plugin live with = PC-laptop in all these videos: http://www.youtube.co= m/user/VocaLoop/videos

On = Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com>= wrote:
Any sound = samples?  I don't think the POD HD synths will work well.  = They are just to glitchy even with just vocals.  The bass octaver = has a good bottom end, but is muddy.  The synth route really = intrigues me, but without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell = knows what I need, lol.

There appears to be nothing like the DBX = or Peavey in stompbox format...that is something I would need for live = use.


----------
Mike = Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

=

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, = Sanne de Waard wrote:
= Hi,

I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but = I do have a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal = percussion. Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a = subharmonic synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than = an guitar octaver.

Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA = Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)

Good luck,
Sanne
=
This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.

Also, =  a few years back when Elliot Smith died,  my wife and I = helped out his estate
by buying a one rack hardware suboctave = generator that works really
well live for vocals.

It's = buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an earlier = Peavey model.

rick walker
=

=



= --Apple-Mail-1-591752955-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 06:52:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EAAF183462; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-10_08:2012-02-10,2012-02-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202100391 Subject: Re: RC-300 From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <59231747-9931-4319-B195-E6B1291D5120@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:52:51 -0500 Message-id: <3E05467E-C048-4CFC-AAFC-6623A0ED7707@mac.com> References: <59231747-9931-4319-B195-E6B1291D5120@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <3uIHt.A.wRD.GBhNPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:52:54 +0000 (UTC) I saw it at NAMM. Rico Loop demo-ed it for me... but he really knew very little about the specifics and he didn't seem to want to discuss anything with me. it's interesting. I like the 3 separate stop/record/play thing... no more selecting... the effects seem interesting, although, no reverb... but you can choose pre loop or post loop efx, which can make for some interesting things, especially with the pitch function. there's still no real click track sound and the guide track is still not pannable so you still lose 2 outputs if you're using the click to send to a drummer. I guess I didn't complain loud enough about those things previously. no more tap tempo button.... weird. So you have to have an external tap tempo if you want to do that. the exp pedal seems pretty useless. on the rc50 I am able to use an external midi pedal to control the 'selected' loop's volume, which is VERY handy... but now, there's no more selection, so that's gone... no one knows if it syncs better to other devices or if the midi clock output is actually stable now. I tried to send midi clock to a boss metronome from my rc50 and the metronome couldn't follow it, too unstable... wow... geniuses I don't think I'm going to run out and buy one any time soon, but I would like to mess with it more. the new pigtronix looper seems really cool and different. I know a lot of people who bought an RC300 hoping it would be a lot better than the rc-50 and then sold it cause it wasn't enough of an improvement over the RC-50. by a lot I mean 3... Teddy > > On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:03, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: > >> Hi. >> Has anyone that is familiar with the RC-50 tested the RC-300? >> Joaquim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 11:34:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 430F9183462; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JC4uKEuWHaFrkl8KuK0PEaW/GT8/bz481Cc25HKccCI=; b=DFLCKAFWPLYbUwAe48pckSJAIV6AGZ/AiYtH2J9/l674qLImWV9VdPtEsP7N/Hl6Sp UHyIhD+aouhcwcCpg/gKXH9/1FMIrK1ykGQtOkU+3mxToQ9s0Z5CwQ3V61rICcYi5Oyp Xc7N3EGGp7/Ixaf7oZg2lQVCGT+J6nHnSFySc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <279CADFD-2512-4DC1-98FF-FD1FD90C92BA@carlsonarts.com> <9A3A5A8A-86A8-42A2-92B7-1A2D98503AAD@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:34:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mainstage CPU Temperature From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:34:29 +0000 (UTC) A good trick is to assemble a handful of beer caps and place them as a foundation for the laptop. That way air can cool even the bottom plate. I developed this routing back when using a China built Zelda centrino that had its cooler fan air output at the bottom, meaning that if you put it on a table the table will block the output of heat. Funny that someone can make such a design mistake. I still do it with Macbooks and MBPs today, even though these lappies have their cooler fan air output at the rear side. Make sure nothing is located on the table right behind the Mac's lid to block that output. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:39 AM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone else experienced a lot of temperature increase when running > Mainstage? =C2=A0I have a 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro, aluminum (Intel Core 2 Duo= ). =C2=A0i > just installed Snow Leopard and Mainstage today. =C2=A0Even without using= more > than one instrument in Mainstage, its heating up the bottom of the Macboo= k > quite a bit, to where its uncomfortable on my lap. > > I know, I know, I should get a laptop cooler. =C2=A0But are there some se= ttings I > can change in Mainstage to cool things down? =C2=A0I don't want to burn o= ut > another logic board if I can avoid it. > > Peace, > Michael Carlson (3x09) > > > On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:57 AM, chaz worm wrote: > > Once again I will post my anti-Chili Dog sentiments. I can't believe anyb= ody > would have anything to say good about that effect. I disliked mine so muc= h I > wonder if it wasn't defective. > > Chaz > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > > Sanne, you my hero! =C2=A0Have you seen my arrangement of your arrangemen= t of > "Fields of Barley" by Sting? =C2=A0I did it after I participated in a Nat= ive > American sweat lodge ceremony, so its partly inspired by Native American > song, and mostly improvisatorial. > > Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of Gold)" > > http://www.myspace.com/tripleohnine > > I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in now= , > rather than a Chili Dog. > > Thanks! > > Michael Carlson (3x09) > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: > > I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these > videos:=C2=A0http://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrot= e: >> >> Any sound samples?=C2=A0 I don't think the POD HD synths will work well.= =C2=A0 They >> are just to glitchy even with just vocals.=C2=A0 The bass octaver has a = good >> bottom end, but is muddy.=C2=A0 The synth route really intrigues me, but= without >> a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lol. >> >> There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox >> format...that is something I would need for live use. >> >> >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >>> >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a >>>> lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Inste= ad of >>>> using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The result= s >>>> actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. >>>> >>>> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ >>>> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, >>>> VST) >>>> >>>> Good luck, >>>> Sanne >>> >>> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live. >>> >>> Also, =C2=A0a few years back when Elliot Smith died, =C2=A0my wife and = I helped out >>> his estate >>> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really >>> well live for vocals. >>> >>> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an >>> earlier Peavey model. >>> >>> rick walker >>> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 11:56:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C537183463; Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f4d1e62f-2701-47ac-86e7-b0d466e9dbf7_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Mainstage CPU Temperature Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:56:53 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com>,,,<279CADFD-2512-4DC1-98FF-FD1FD90C92BA@carlsonarts.com>,<9A3A5A8A-86A8-42A2-92B7-1A2D98503AAD@earthwormandfire.com>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2012 11:56:54.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F5BF450:01CCE8B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:56:56 +0000 (UTC) --_f4d1e62f-2701-47ac-86e7-b0d466e9dbf7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mine does the same thing too. A bit of a serious design flaw though It does= depend on how hard the machine is working. I've found that if you take the= latency down to very low figures=2C (14 buffers for instance) it heats up = pretty quickly. Conversely=2C raising the latency makes it work less hard = and therefore is less likely to overheat.=20 Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Sat=2C 11 Feb 2012 12:34:27 +0100 > Subject: Re: Mainstage CPU Temperature > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > A good trick is to assemble a handful of beer caps and place them as a > foundation for the laptop. That way air can cool even the bottom > plate. I developed this routing back when using a China built Zelda > centrino that had its cooler fan air output at the bottom=2C meaning > that if you put it on a table the table will block the output of heat. > Funny that someone can make such a design mistake. I still do it with > Macbooks and MBPs today=2C even though these lappies have their cooler > fan air output at the rear side. Make sure nothing is located on the > table right behind the Mac's lid to block that output. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sat=2C Feb 11=2C 2012 at 6:39 AM=2C TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com= > wrote: > > Hi all=2C > > > > Has anyone else experienced a lot of temperature increase when running > > Mainstage? I have a 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro=2C aluminum (Intel Core 2 Duo)= . i > > just installed Snow Leopard and Mainstage today. Even without using mo= re > > than one instrument in Mainstage=2C its heating up the bottom of the Ma= cbook > > quite a bit=2C to where its uncomfortable on my lap. > > > > I know=2C I know=2C I should get a laptop cooler. But are there some s= ettings I > > can change in Mainstage to cool things down? I don't want to burn out > > another logic board if I can avoid it. > > > > Peace=2C > > Michael Carlson (3x09) > > > > > > On Feb 10=2C 2012=2C at 5:57 AM=2C chaz worm wrote: > > > > Once again I will post my anti-Chili Dog sentiments. I can't believe an= ybody > > would have anything to say good about that effect. I disliked mine so m= uch I > > wonder if it wasn't defective. > > > > Chaz > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 9=2C 2012=2C at 5:18 PM=2C TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> w= rote: > > > > Sanne=2C you my hero! Have you seen my arrangement of your arrangement= of > > "Fields of Barley" by Sting? I did it after I participated in a Native > > American sweat lodge ceremony=2C so its partly inspired by Native Ameri= can > > song=2C and mostly improvisatorial. > > > > Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of Gold)" > > > > http://www.myspace.com/tripleohnine > > > > I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic synth or use the MDA-VST plug-in n= ow=2C > > rather than a Chili Dog. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Michael Carlson (3x09) > > > > On Feb 8=2C 2012=2C at 5:38 AM=2C Sanne de Waard wrote: > > > > I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these > > videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos > > > > On Wed=2C Feb 8=2C 2012 at 4:27 AM=2C Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> > >> Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. T= hey > >> are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a goo= d > >> bottom end=2C but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me=2C bu= t without > >> a reference tone to shoo for=2C who the hell knows what I need=2C lol. > >> > >> There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox > >> format...that is something I would need for live use. > >> > >> > >> ---------- > >> Mike Fugazzi > >> vocals/harmonica > >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com > >> Facebook > >> YouTube > >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue=2C Feb 7=2C 2012 at 8:50 PM=2C Rick Walker wrote: > >>> > >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Sanne de Waard wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi=2C > >>>> > >>>> I cannot help you with your current technical problem=2C but I do ha= ve a > >>>> lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Ins= tead of > >>>> using an octaver=2C you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The re= sults > >>>> actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver. > >>>> > >>>> Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/ > >>>> Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer= =2C > >>>> VST) > >>>> > >>>> Good luck=2C > >>>> Sanne > >>> > >>> This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon=2C live. > >>> > >>> Also=2C a few years back when Elliot Smith died=2C my wife and I he= lped out > >>> his estate > >>> by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really > >>> well live for vocals. > >>> > >>> It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently=2C but I think it was a= n > >>> earlier Peavey model. > >>> > >>> rick walker > >>> > >> > > > > > > >=20 = --_f4d1e62f-2701-47ac-86e7-b0d466e9dbf7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mine does the same thing too. A bit of a serious design flaw though It does= depend on how hard the machine is working. I've found that if you take the= latency down to very low figures=2C (14 buffers for instance) it heats up = pretty quickly.  =3BConversely=2C raising the latency makes it work les= s hard and therefore is less likely to overheat. =3B


G= areth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Date: Sat=2C 11 Feb 2012 12:34:27 +0100
>=3B Sub= ject: Re: Mainstage CPU Temperature
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
= >=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B A good = trick is to assemble a handful of beer caps and place them as a
>=3B f= oundation for the laptop. That way air can cool even the bottom
>=3B p= late. I developed this routing back when using a China built Zelda
>= =3B centrino that had its cooler fan air output at the bottom=2C meaning>=3B that if you put it on a table the table will block the output of he= at.
>=3B Funny that someone can make such a design mistake. I still do= it with
>=3B Macbooks and MBPs today=2C even though these lappies hav= e their cooler
>=3B fan air output at the rear side. Make sure nothing= is located on the
>=3B table right behind the Mac's lid to block that= output.
>=3B
>=3B Greetings from Sweden
>=3B
>=3B Pe= r Boysen
>=3B www.perboysen.com
>=3B http://www.youtube.com/perbo= ysen
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B On Sat=2C Feb 11=2C 2012 at= 6:39 AM=2C TripleOhNine <=3B3x09@carlsonarts.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B = >=3B Hi all=2C
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Has anyone else experien= ced a lot of temperature increase when running
>=3B >=3B Mainstage? =  =3BI have a 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro=2C aluminum (Intel Core 2 Duo).  = =3Bi
>=3B >=3B just installed Snow Leopard and Mainstage today. &nbs= p=3BEven without using more
>=3B >=3B than one instrument in Mainsta= ge=2C its heating up the bottom of the Macbook
>=3B >=3B quite a bit= =2C to where its uncomfortable on my lap.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B= I know=2C I know=2C I should get a laptop cooler.  =3BBut are there so= me settings I
>=3B >=3B can change in Mainstage to cool things down?=  =3BI don't want to burn out
>=3B >=3B another logic board if I= can avoid it.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Peace=2C
>=3B >=3B = Michael Carlson (3x09)
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B O= n Feb 10=2C 2012=2C at 5:57 AM=2C chaz worm wrote:
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B Once again I will post my anti-Chili Dog sentiments. I can't bel= ieve anybody
>=3B >=3B would have anything to say good about that ef= fect. I disliked mine so much I
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>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Chaz
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>=3B >= =3B Sent from my iPhone
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B On Feb 9=2C 2012= =2C at 5:18 PM=2C TripleOhNine <=3B3x09@carlsonarts.com>=3B wrote:
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>=3B >=3B Sanne=2C you my hero!  =3BHave you seen m= y arrangement of your arrangement of
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&g= t=3B >=3B Listen to "We Will Walk (in the Fields of Gold)"
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>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B I think I'll look for a sub-harmonic synth or use the MDA-V= ST plug-in now=2C
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>=3B >=3B Thanks!
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>=3B >=3B Michael Carl= son (3x09)
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B On Feb 8=2C 2012=2C at 5:38 AM= =2C Sanne de Waard wrote:
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>=3B >=3B I use the MDA-V= ST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these
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>=3B >= =3B On Wed=2C Feb 8=2C 2012 at 4:27 AM=2C Mike Fugazzi <=3Bmikefugazzi@gm= ail.com>=3B wrote:
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>=3B >=3B>=3B Any soun= d samples? =3B I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. =3B = They
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>=3B >=3B>=3B bottom end=2C but is= muddy. =3B The synth route really intrigues me=2C but without
>= =3B >=3B>=3B a reference tone to shoo for=2C who the hell knows what I = need=2C lol.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B There appears to= be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox
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>=3B >=3B>=3B
= >=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B ----------
>=3B >=3B>= =3B Mike Fugazzi
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>=3B >=3B>=3B
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>=3B >= =3B>=3B>=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Sanne de Waard wrote:
>=3B >= =3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B Hi=2C
>=3B &g= t=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B I cannot help you= with your current technical problem=2C but I do have a
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>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B using an octaver=2C you= could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results
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>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B Hardware= : http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/
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= --_f4d1e62f-2701-47ac-86e7-b0d466e9dbf7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 10:32:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 158AE183463; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=iio7AmfDtuiV5AzS/TDl2Knzhfdt2iQ9/zDpvDRIpRI=; b=YH6O998uFvCEGwTHcJHbYF4Gt1L8HrTeidWEFhAVtdw4ZWxSsrYR3ObEFyc55ODbcA 55qp871Pv0qyDQMIbsXD9DCnbmhcH4tzXqEXCe/RjM6bpF1FRveUuwHmdp906f+t1XwB jtXhlKX7H37D/veDvqoIyHs/0NSG41jLss5Qo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:32:25 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rDoe0n8CYUe0l3RMUMd0wTf_i8E Message-ID: Subject: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c6497e9e20a04b8c1e1c1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:32:48 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c6497e9e20a04b8c1e1c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No looping content hence OT. (there IS some looping in the music Im discussing, but thats not to point. Background: I am in the middle of producing my first "proper" film score. (Scoring music for short corporate films is my day-job, but this is ART!) Not a big production (ok a very small production, in France) so no budget foe calling int some professionals. I am pretty happy (musically) with the score so far. And prettu happy with the sound choices and sampling I have done. Its mostly orchestral in genre, but quite minimal, with a few uses of unusual instruments, to weird it up a bit. My question regards the final stages I am approaching now. In order to give it a "live" feel or less programmed feel, both in terms of final programming tweaks and eq/effects tweak. What Hits or Tricks would some of you Prs use.. I know some of you are either extremely advanced in recording techiniques (per etc, who I would like to thank for almost 24 hour email service when Ive been stuck with things.) or professional composers (Daniel Im thinking of here now.. I think.. terrible with names). Things I doing right now..: 1. tweaking attack times on strings... the first attack of a legato section can be a long attack but sounds more natural on follow up notes to have little or no attack. 2. Moving "top" lines of string sections to be there own solo instruments, the string parts were all written with a generic ensemble patch, but its better to move the highest musical melody line to a solo viola or solo violin patch. 3. indivisually increasing amounts of velocity of notes. 4. My sample allows for slight random variations in pitch and volume (pitch can get a bit far out, but is ok in sections) Any more "live making" techniques? The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an engineer for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well together, I expect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low in the mix ofr my tastes, and often what tends to happen with my mixes, is that one hears ONE instrument stick out above the films mix. Do I REALLY want to slap a big old compressor on the end.. It ruins the mix for me! And the music sounds good loud.. how can I avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its This problem, that (if im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park yet ) can make a good piece of music start sounding all er.. "General Midi- ish" Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, just one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one Hall reverb to emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. Is this the right approach? Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a professionals trick Im missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the whole mix at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub? Its very hard to guage, the film dialog mix is terrible at the moment, all different levels (even jumps from left to right haa ha.. with lots of background noise (wind in trees mostly) The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang live on set... yikes.. no click track microphone walked all the way around her following the camera... think Im gonna have to go to Paris and get her to dub it. All hints n tips will be very much appreciated.. MArk -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c6497e9e20a04b8c1e1c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No looping content hence OT. (there IS some looping in the music Im discuss= ing, but thats not to point.

Background: I am in the middle of produ= cing my first "proper" film score. (Scoring music for short corpo= rate films is my day-job, but this is ART!) Not a big production (ok a very= small production, in France) so no budget foe calling int some professiona= ls.

I am pretty happy (musically) with the score so far. And prettu happy w= ith the sound choices and sampling I have done. Its mostly orchestral in=A0= genre, but quite minimal, with a few uses of unusual instruments, to weird= it up a bit.

My question regards the final stages I am approaching now. In order to = give it a "live" feel or less programmed feel, both in terms of f= inal programming tweaks and eq/effects tweak. What Hits or Tricks would som= e of you Prs use.. I know some of you are either extremely advanced in reco= rding techiniques (per etc, who I would like to thank for almost 24 hour em= ail service when Ive been stuck with things.) or professional composers (Da= niel Im thinking of here now.. I think.. terrible with names).

Things I doing right now..:
1. tweaking attack times on strings... t= he first attack of a legato section can be a long attack but sounds more na= tural on follow up notes to have little or no attack.
2. Moving "to= p" lines of string sections to be there own solo instruments, the stri= ng parts were all written with a generic ensemble patch, but its better to = move the highest musical melody line to a solo viola or solo violin patch.<= br> 3. indivisually increasing amounts of velocity of notes.
4. My sample al= lows for slight random variations in pitch and volume (pitch can get a bit = far out, but is ok in sections)

Any more "live making" tec= hniques?

The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an enginee= r for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well together, I= expect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low in the mix ofr = my tastes, and often what tends to happen with my mixes, is that one hears = ONE instrument stick out above the films mix. Do I REALLY want to slap a bi= g old compressor on the end.. It ruins the mix for me! And the music sounds= good loud.. how can I avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its This = problem, that (if im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park yet ) c= an make a good piece of music start sounding all=A0 er.. "General Midi= - ish"

Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, ju= st one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one Hall reve= rb to emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. Is this the ri= ght approach?

Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a=A0 professionals trick = Im missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the w= hole mix at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub?

Its very hard to gua= ge, the film dialog mix is terrible at the moment, all different levels (ev= en jumps from left to right haa ha.. with lots of background noise (wind in= trees mostly)

The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang li= ve on set... yikes.. no click track microphone walked all the way around he= r following the camera... think Im gonna have to go to Paris and get her to= dub it.

All hints n tips will be very much appreciated..

MArk

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d042c6497e9e20a04b8c1e1c1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 12:02:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49736183462; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F37AA3B.1080800@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:02:03 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mainstage CPU Temperature References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:02:15 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, TripleOhNine wrote: > I know, I know, I should get a laptop cooler. I just got a really cheap MicroSoft cooler for $12 on woot.com. My 17" macbook pro fits onto it and it really helps with the cooling. Look around on ebay, amazon, etc. There are tons for sale really inexpensively. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 12:05:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B09183463; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tdUHOAHUlJOMgBv85x1uq2ZEbf2cP2xA5HTpyMlvnzE=; b=gIt+1zkPzJJnEueuoOIAvIJJzRWFG+bXKyILobCUaT4x5oCveAb3RkMAncedUZYuHA cl5xTLlDf3alcFDkJICD+q7TUrmJXv4ltZNQfnUPsWu/wTYVDee8CkmJNDQJiuxe8gNV xBgoekJwZ4MtzWp9FcpgEirs6iZK66tBlmA5o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:05:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:05:01 +0000 (UTC) No request for mix by stems from the producer? If the team doing the film mix is good that can help out the music to sound better in the movie. > Any more "live making" techniques? I think the general "holy graal" in mixing recorded music is side-chaining. The reason for that belief is that this comes closest to how our ears and brains make us experience the sound of real music, when heard on location rather than through a recording. The brain is capable of focusing on many simultaneous details of what we're hearing and then de-code these impressions by super fast analysis of early reflections by the acoustic environment. This is why we can follow a soft sound although surrounded by loud noise. All this doesn't work in a recording medium (since there are no environmental reflections except for the listening room related to the two speakers). And I think side-chaining is a good way to fake it in a recording. Technically you set up a routing in a mixer where certain sounds affect other sound, by volume or timbre. The idea is that when one instrument makes a sound that is important for the music, some other instruments back off a bit to make room. This is actually how musicians in an ensemble do play together, to "live perform side-chaining" ;-) It's all about making as many details as possible dynamically related. They already are so, in a strictly musical sense - because if not the music would suck - but I'm talking more "sound-wise" here. A great metaphor to get started is to listen to the music as inter-playing frequency bands. Step one is to find out what particular bands make sense to juggle with and step two is to juggle them nicely, putting back the organic element. Another general tip: you might want to make the stereo perspective extreme, because there may come sync sound and dialog in the middle. There are plugins to broaden or narrow a stereo image but you can do it manually as well (with better control) by setting up this routing matrix: Clone the signal into three channels. Revers stereo image for channel one, phase invert and lower the level a tiny bit for channel two and make channel three mono. Now, these three channels is your tool to achieve all kinds of stereo perspective, from the broadest that sounds wider than physical speaker positions to a punchy and focused up-your-face mix, and you get full mono compatibility in the package. The process also opens up for tricks like processing different parts of the stereo image differently (level balancing, EQ, compression). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, mark francombe w= rote: > No looping content hence OT. (there IS some looping in the music Im > discussing, but thats not to point. > > Background: I am in the middle of producing my first "proper" film score. > (Scoring music for short corporate films is my day-job, but this is ART!) > Not a big production (ok a very small production, in France) so no budget > foe calling int some professionals. > > I am pretty happy (musically) with the score so far. And prettu happy wit= h > the sound choices and sampling I have done. Its mostly orchestral in=C2= =A0 genre, > but quite minimal, with a few uses of unusual instruments, to weird it up= a > bit. > > My question regards the final stages I am approaching now. In order to gi= ve > it a "live" feel or less programmed feel, both in terms of final programm= ing > tweaks and eq/effects tweak. What Hits or Tricks would some of you Prs us= e.. > I know some of you are either extremely advanced in recording techiniques > (per etc, who I would like to thank for almost 24 hour email service when > Ive been stuck with things.) or professional composers (Daniel Im thinkin= g > of here now.. I think.. terrible with names). > > Things I doing right now..: > 1. tweaking attack times on strings... the first attack of a legato secti= on > can be a long attack but sounds more natural on follow up notes to have > little or no attack. > 2. Moving "top" lines of string sections to be there own solo instruments= , > the string parts were all written with a generic ensemble patch, but its > better to move the highest musical melody line to a solo viola or solo > violin patch. > 3. indivisually increasing amounts of velocity of notes. > 4. My sample allows for slight random variations in pitch and volume (pit= ch > can get a bit far out, but is ok in sections) > > Any more "live making" techniques? > > The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an engineer > for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well together, I > expect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low in the mix ofr= my > tastes, and often what tends to happen with my mixes, is that one hears O= NE > instrument stick out above the films mix. Do I REALLY want to slap a big = old > compressor on the end.. It ruins the mix for me! And the music sounds goo= d > loud.. how can I avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its This > problem, that (if im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park yet ) > can make a good piece of music start sounding all=C2=A0 er.. "General Mid= i- ish" > > Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, just > one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one Hall rever= b > to emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. Is this the rig= ht > approach? > > Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a=C2=A0 professionals trick= Im > missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the whole m= ix > at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub? > > Its very hard to guage, the film dialog mix is terrible at the moment, al= l > different levels (even jumps from left to right haa ha.. with lots of > background noise (wind in trees mostly) > > The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang live= on > set... yikes.. no click track microphone walked all the way around her > following the camera... think Im gonna have to go to Paris and get her to > dub it. > > All hints n tips will be very much appreciated.. > > MArk > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 12:18:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3A08183463; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/uloRMk8yS+qidxLECSE6hDmX/0ekw+4yJ9MFtWD2g4=; b=YyKY2O1fbkuvmjbUIwqTsy2eNCN9flsHbk7p7r8VOrmNRbjh5aGu3vP9qIkumhZWQ/ HgF2ATc81IUkcOVWE34a3TaIDWV8ECswE/PE/coakHMWJ2BeaOhAbs9ZbokycmsSZq7V RtLC2i09tD/DtxTob9nH9r2hHjijY9S6tHadg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:18:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cool vocal looping in a band context vid From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Too bad i cant see most of the vides you guys send i think we have become chinese secretly;-) "unfortunately this video is not available in Germany because it may contain music for which GEMA has not granted the respective music rights" On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: > Stumbled upon this you tube vid and I thought the vocal looping used in a > band context served the song well. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i1mr9amqeg > > Should I post stuff like this to the mailing list or just to the facebook > group? Not sure if it was decided yet how you guys like your video sharing > links served. > > > -- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > Twitter: gtodd876 > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 12:22:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28A6B18345E; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q116lv2kgj2UMkoXj6J7hGnaw4gJG4UGKlD+6pdiAV8=; b=CaJ5qvVJVfQersl3LCzz+NP+OME3JDkMEisZ34wJiYQxgY0EDlp/NlLbJoQe0WZary UCeFt6NgQxQVKGHHeDoLc2rMAym6aFhlUAJYp/ebD5piUYDWDBZSKhza31ui+lneOcsv u2FNwtCo3NFucKDqgqiC2SdF1sH4ZqeevSjFE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F37AA3B.1080800@cruzio.com> References: <4F37AA3B.1080800@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:22:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mainstage CPU Temperature From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:22:18 +0000 (UTC) i couldnt stand Mainstage it seemed so CPU heavy and created fear on me of "sudden freeze" it does look nice though;-) On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, TripleOhNine wrote: >> >> I know, I know, I should get a laptop cooler. > > I just got a really cheap MicroSoft cooler for $12 on woot.com. > > My 17" macbook pro fits onto it and it really helps with the cooling. > Look around on ebay, amazon, etc. =A0 =A0There are tons for sale really > inexpensively. > > yours, =A0Rick > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 12:29:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A74518345E; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=wee3ZH3hQmhzKH6zl93gWJ7VVYqHV9A49e7asm5YKes=; b=aUzAYkKRgUzXQXm72e7n87g2CWTsQ5oMC5OY6D8SXjqwfSztwqFIgpuVQvkE44lZTI RJyRw+8mT6iv0/pdp4dWZNaAlUghNXhyIfoAih7i3WTgNHM6jS4f4+Nx+Q0iz1umq3SJ 7eY5kknk4ZQPaNWAlaGR77RuXDHHIq2WqdHKw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:28:50 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KL8_JktjxMoxH84fVYbXxVLAo64 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d64640e2d104b8c382b4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:29:11 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d64640e2d104b8c382b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As "Per" usual, some amazing ideas here Per, and as usual some questions get thrown up. Ill try to be as brief as poss... Per Boysen wrote: No request for mix by stems from the producer? If the team doing the > film mix is good that can help out the music to sound better in the > movie. > Just some proffesh biz terms I dont understand here Per, I always use /and encourage my team to use grass roots, common sense expressions, so as to not alienate customers, however, Id like to know... Stems? Do you mean short sections of music that they can use where-ever and edit themselve into the picture? No, I delivered some "stems" to get the job, which they loved, but now I am literally scoring "to picture" but dropping the movie edit into Logic. It a fascinating way of working, with its own challenges, but fantastic because you see the change in emotion you are making to the film, as you go. I argued for a cut with the director for example where she hung very long on the "wife" after a scene was basically over. Working in business films as I do, we are as snappy as fucking possible... Like CSI editing.. ha ha.. and here she said, NO mark, I want to focus on her pain... this, gave me a totally different way of thinking about the end of my music. instead of fading gracefully, I brought in a big expressionistic crescendo of brass and whatnot... changed the whole scene, became very melodramatic.. > Any more "live making" techniques? I think the general "holy graal" in mixing recorded music is > side-chaining. > snip snip Yes I was afraid you might say that.. ow.. First I don know how to do it in Logic. Although I used to do it all the time in hardware, side-chain the kick drum channel to the bass guitar of course is the classic. or the guitar channel to the hi hat, for that in synch old school tremelo sound.. Yeah... so how? and should I make groups then... (again Ill be looking in the manual here) but IM guessing you mean that I should put cellos and choirs and bass outputs to a new Aux... then use the clarinet or violin tracks to side chain to that aux track correct? (again how..?) Or what? How would you divide the tracks? For example I love to use a VERY low doubke bass, almost as the drum, scrape scrape scrape, in the back gtound.. at the start, its at the front, but when all teh music comes in, it a bit overpowering.. I usually just back it off in the mix, but should I SC that? > > Another general tip: > you might want to make the stereo perspective extreme, snip Interesting point.. go on.. Im listening.. > Revers stereo image for channel one, phase > invert and lower the level a tiny bit for channel two and make channel > three mono. > OK hear I'm scare.. did you say reverse phase? Is that safe? I remember all sorts of broadcasting disasters when things were turned into mono before... And did you mean, "one the whole darn mix.. so after I have made a nice mix, THEN do this process above? Sounds like you are going for the recording version of "that Eno Trick" he put on the back of one of his Ambient albums, for adding a third speak to your stereo system for "instand Quad sound" (well not quadrophonic, I suppose Tri-ophonic) Thanks M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d64640e2d104b8c382b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As "Per" usual, some amazing ideas here Per, and as usual some qu= estions get thrown up. Ill try to be as brief as poss...

Per Boysen wrote:

No request for mix by stems from the producer? If the team doing the
film mix is good that can help out the music to sound better in the
movie.

Just some proffesh biz terms I= dont understand here Per, I always use /and encourage my team to use grass= roots, common sense expressions, so as to not alienate customers, however,= Id like to know...

Stems? Do you mean short sections of music that they can use where-ever= and edit themselve into the picture?
No, I delivered some "stems&q= uot; to get the job, which they loved, but now I am literally scoring "= ;to picture"=A0 but dropping the movie edit into Logic. It a fascinati= ng way of working, with its own challenges, but fantastic because you see t= he change in emotion you are making to the film, as you go. I argued for a = cut with the director for example where she hung very long on the "wif= e" after a scene was basically over. Working in business films as I do= , we are as snappy as fucking possible... Like CSI editing.. ha ha.. and he= re she said, NO mark, I want to focus on her pain... this, gave me a totall= y different way of thinking about the end of my music. instead of fading gr= acefully, I brought in a big expressionistic crescendo of brass and whatnot= ... changed the whole scene, became very melodramatic..



> Any more "live making" techniques?

I think the general= "holy graal" in mixing recorded music is
side-chaining.

snip snip

Yes I was afraid = you might say that.. ow.. First I don know how to do it in Logic. Although = I used to do it all the time in hardware, side-chain the kick drum channel = to the bass guitar of course is the classic.
or the guitar channel to the hi hat, for that in synch old school tremelo s= ound..

Yeah... so how?
and should I make groups then... (again I= ll be looking in the manual here) but IM guessing you mean that I should pu= t cellos and choirs and bass outputs to a new Aux... then use the clarinet = or violin tracks to side chain to that aux track correct? (again how..?) Or what? How would you divide the tracks? For example I love to use a VERY = low doubke bass, almost as the drum, scrape scrape scrape, in the back gtou= nd.. at the start, its at the front, but when all teh music comes in, it a = bit overpowering.. I usually just back it off in the mix, but should I SC t= hat?
=A0

Another general tip:
you might want to make the stereo perspective extreme,=A0
=
snip

Interesting point.. go on.. Im listening..
= =A0
Revers stereo image for channel one, phase
invert and lower the level a tiny bit for channel two and make channel
three mono.

OK hear I'm scare.. did you say r= everse phase? Is that safe? I remember all sorts of broadcasting disasters = when things were turned into mono before...
And did you mean, "one= the whole darn mix.. so after I have made a nice mix, THEN do this process= above? Sounds like you are going for the recording version of "that E= no Trick" he put on the back of one of his Ambient albums, for adding = a third speak to your stereo system for "instand Quad sound" (wel= l not quadrophonic, I suppose Tri-ophonic)

Thanks


M


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http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--bcaec554d64640e2d104b8c382b4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 13:08:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B68418345E; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9jGzGFZkIZG5OSBspxCU0ienJd2V/aT/dX+iqCVvHpw=; b=YC4eoqgx4epBRMjI2PAZ2y/KpVeRjiuoeNSOuHkgTwj5UWdBFd5kWSAJ0sim+RSUim fblC4ctDYsST1EcbeRk3G13ktBCfvFoXawiFAqZszLpaBosqeproL2sSVu7gJLHmHpEe WNTrhziL7WEzk+zX+b5ERoVImhLD1WruBoJ/s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:08:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:08:33 +0000 (UTC) With *stems* I mean sub-mixes. Like breaking up the full mix into sub-mixes. One could be all the soft and airy sounds like high strings, flutes and maybe synth pad textrures. Another stem could percussive stuff, or reverb. The idea is to make sure the music will work well in the movie. All stems have to be flied into the film mix in sync, it's not about "cues" which means parts of music that can be thrown in anywhere it fits to picture. About side-chaining. In Logic three plugins can be used for side-chain: Compressor, Noise gate, Autofilter. --> Compressor: When sidechained the compressor does not react to the audio of the track it is slapped over but to the audio on a different source track. It reacts as if source audio level goes up compressor brings the level down. --> Noise Gate: Works like the sidechained compressor but the other way around; when source audio goes up the Gate lets through audio. It's just like an on/off switch. Great for rough industrial music where you might want to use live percussion track to trigger percussive chunks from instant traffic noise, or whatever. --> Autofilter: The filtering effect follows the source audio amplitude. Good for things like making an instant pad sound go wha-wha with the intensity of any other track's audio Of course all this works best if used at a subtle level, I'm just exaggerating as example ;-) Logic is kind of implying the classic analog studio production environment with sound source, mixer and a patchbay of effects. Logic has no function like Max For Live or Numerology where you can take the amplitude of a source track and adapt that to any software parameter. In Logic it works like in a mixing studio, but you can do a lot with that by sending source audio into a bus set to "no output" and then assign that bus as the source for a side-chaine somewhere else in the mix. This would be the way to set up a thing like, for example, having the mid range part of one instrument pump the level (or timbre of using the Autofilter) of side-chained track's audio. As for the tip about the phasing mastering matrix, it actually IS the remedy for the classing mono issue! I wrote that. The plugin Logic has that offers all these processings is called Utility. Yes, this is a mastering process and should be applied to the full mix (or stems). The technical way in Logic would be to either bounce out a file and import three clones of that into a new session document or to simply route it properly in the first composition document's mixer. That routing means sending all tracks and submix busses to a special summing bus (instead as to the main output). This submix bus is set to "no output" and then used to send three clones of the signal (at 0 dB) to the three bus/aux tracks used for the matrix fix. Sorry about the long post, just trying to help out by answering some simple questions ;-) These are just tools, the decisions of how to use them must be based on the music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > As "Per" usual, some amazing ideas here Per, and as usual some questions = get > thrown up. Ill try to be as brief as poss... > > Per Boysen wrote: > >> No request for mix by stems from the producer? If the team doing the >> film mix is good that can help out the music to sound better in the >> movie. > > > Just some proffesh biz terms I dont understand here Per, I always use /an= d > encourage my team to use grass roots, common sense expressions, so as to = not > alienate customers, however, Id like to know... > > Stems? Do you mean short sections of music that they can use where-ever a= nd > edit themselve into the picture? > No, I delivered some "stems" to get the job, which they loved, but now I = am > literally scoring "to picture"=C2=A0 but dropping the movie edit into Log= ic. It a > fascinating way of working, with its own challenges, but fantastic becaus= e > you see the change in emotion you are making to the film, as you go. I > argued for a cut with the director for example where she hung very long o= n > the "wife" after a scene was basically over. Working in business films as= I > do, we are as snappy as fucking possible... Like CSI editing.. ha ha.. an= d > here she said, NO mark, I want to focus on her pain... this, gave me a > totally different way of thinking about the end of my music. instead of > fading gracefully, I brought in a big expressionistic crescendo of brass = and > whatnot... changed the whole scene, became very melodramatic.. > > > >> Any more "live making" techniques? > >> I think the general "holy graal" in mixing recorded music is >> side-chaining. > > > snip snip > > Yes I was afraid you might say that.. ow.. First I don know how to do it = in > Logic. Although I used to do it all the time in hardware, side-chain the > kick drum channel to the bass guitar of course is the classic. > or the guitar channel to the hi hat, for that in synch old school tremelo > sound.. > > Yeah... so how? > and should I make groups then... (again Ill be looking in the manual here= ) > but IM guessing you mean that I should put cellos and choirs and bass > outputs to a new Aux... then use the clarinet or violin tracks to side ch= ain > to that aux track correct? (again how..?) > Or what? How would you divide the tracks? For example I love to use a VER= Y > low doubke bass, almost as the drum, scrape scrape scrape, in the back > gtound.. at the start, its at the front, but when all teh music comes in,= it > a bit overpowering.. I usually just back it off in the mix, but should I = SC > that? > >> >> >> Another general tip: >> you might want to make the stereo perspective extreme, > > > snip > > Interesting point.. go on.. Im listening.. > >> >> Revers stereo image for channel one, phase >> invert and lower the level a tiny bit for channel two and make channel >> three mono. > > > OK hear I'm scare.. did you say reverse phase? Is that safe? I remember a= ll > sorts of broadcasting disasters when things were turned into mono before.= .. > And did you mean, "one the whole darn mix.. so after I have made a nice m= ix, > THEN do this process above? Sounds like you are going for the recording > version of "that Eno Trick" he put on the back of one of his Ambient albu= ms, > for adding a third speak to your stereo system for "instand Quad sound" > (well not quadrophonic, I suppose Tri-ophonic) > > Thanks > > > M > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 14:13:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A0A183462; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=v4PRMuI0nzGKBogYu7E4fPq5zRkhEtBItsAVT60kE6o=; b=SDGCj9myDoH/KvPBtj6dEijHwwpjzrfRcY7l0GFQirTnpT1DUmq6U1i2qzjZ+3gtRx df4JoGzY8gRRaSKsGGgsrfagQpeaKNCHn2k7OBW2uBfslrf5AnMuA1One+ipeg+ZSTJU LUBAZd4HtjzAmYEPMO1GJsjRPCHDrNRi8+j+w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:13:17 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sktnQ3q7jMqOyU4qAYDcABLiEkE Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe338acce82104b8c4f7be Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:13:39 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe338acce82104b8c4f7be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you again Per.. as I told you, I am editing a book at this end called Per Boysens Logic.. Its gonna be a best seller for sure!! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e0cb4efe338acce82104b8c4f7be Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you again Per.. as I told you, I am editing a book at this end called= Per Boysens Logic.. Its gonna be a best seller for sure!!




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http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--e0cb4efe338acce82104b8c4f7be-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 15:37:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3AE918345E; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=C5SGa0esQbr0SLxI0zCHvGStj/eObIl5k/mI9He9ziE=; b=AnVUgjfE7W0fO1ZlVB8WJA+C5MeTRE4y5nTvZevSkyq7N4OWJY+jytFD9W2qwH9Fnf 54ZUlfqSZ3WCSbLA+tRvx0fUh1qQohE780lhBb4tmmO0foiEc760av5OJVhGYSH6fzqh Mkxtui67/CDc+e0E0mAakIr/dx40Q43198Vx8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:37:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Per's helpfulness is just something that is so rare in the present day and age. But well, master is a master because of his willingness to help and share his wisdom. 2012/2/12 mark francombe : > Thank you again Per.. as I told you, I am editing a book at this end called > Per Boysens Logic.. Its gonna be a best seller for sure!! > > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > -- Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 15:43:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E033183461; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=TODdzZGJt37zjwFmIGLfwd4Cyk7vo3FZh1Bd8az7Sj0=; b=fAXdQkP4fW40RLjOpiKQaCEJPdydz7Z8BgP898Gw1yQdtd1ZCXp+2H+p8oDWRxnDLF e77d0C1phA+3p41feGKYYMvg2VKbUjH2sndtz7os3fiPvUoTXf72tfBxccX7wQGlKvd4 LvE3KcfXKTV7TzXtLbYtT9pzQflTNaFOno/qE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:42:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016ca975cff504b8c638ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:43:18 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04016ca975cff504b8c638ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hear Hear! On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Petri Lahtinen < kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: > Per's helpfulness is just something that is so rare in the present day and > age. > But well, master is a master because of his willingness to help and > share his wisdom. > > 2012/2/12 mark francombe : > > Thank you again Per.. as I told you, I am editing a book at this end > called > > Per Boysens Logic.. Its gonna be a best seller for sure!! > > > > > --f46d04016ca975cff504b8c638ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hear Hear!

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:37 = AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
Per's helpfulness is just something that is so rare in the present day = and age.
But well, master is a master because of his willingness to help and
share his wisdom.

2012/2/12 mark francombe <mark= @markfrancombe.com>:
> Thank you again Per.. as I tol= d you, I am editing a book at this end called
> Per Boysens Logic.. Its gonna be a best seller for sure!!
>
>
--f46d04016ca975cff504b8c638ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 21:27:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0857183463; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F382ECE.8010200@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:27:42 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe CC: loopers-delight Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5WfGnB.A.89F.Z7COPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:27:53 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an > engineer for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well > together, I expect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low > in the mix ofr my tastes, and often what tends to happen with my > mixes, is that one hears ONE instrument stick out above the films mix. > Do I REALLY want to slap a big old compressor on the end.. It is extremely difficult to answer a lot of these questions without hearing the music. The answers will necessarily vary quite a bit depending not only on the content but also on what you've done so far in the mix. In general, if you have your track normalized and you have good separation of your mixing frequencies (to avoid timbral masking and a general sense of 'muddiness') then it is not necessary to use compression. However, once you have the mix where you like it, try out some compression on the entire track and make it be very, very subtly applied. Sometimes a nice rule of thumb for applying effects of any kind (especially compression, reverb or e.q.) is to bring the effect up into the entire mix and the instant you can hear the effect, bring it down just a tiny bit until it sounds inaudible again. This is a psycho-acoustic trick that we play on ourselves. Print the results (always as a numbered mix attempt), wait a couple of days then listen to your mix A-Bed with and without the effect. Your ears will tell you which ones to use. > It ruins the mix for me! And the music sounds good loud.. how can I > avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its This problem, that (if > im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park yet ) can make a > good piece of music start sounding all er.. "General Midi- ish" Again, hard to say without hearing what you've laid down so far, but since it sounds like a lot of what you are doing is orchestral, consider how an orchestra is laid out in a concert hall and place your instruments accordingly. Cross talk to your ears in a concert hall is very strong, so you want to avoid any really radical hard panning of anything. You want to go for a general feeling of 'space' in your stereo placement and avoid a 'stereo' mix if you know what I mean. > > Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, > just one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one > Hall reverb to emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. > Is this the right approach? Errrrr, here's one place where I"m a bit dubious about your approach. Think about any natural acoustic space: You don't have instruments in an orchestra inside tiny boxes (creating their own reverberant space) and then all of them inside of the reverberation of the concert hall, so if you want a naturalistic sound, why would you put a reverb through a reverb? Do you see what I'm saying? Electronica artists and artists who use backing tracks make this mistake constantly....using tracks with reverbs and then performing in a hall that has it's own natural reverberation.........adding a reverb to a reverb is one of the first ways of adding muddiness to your mix, imo. Personally, in such a case, I find that using a convolution reverb instead of a typical digital reverb is a great way to go for naturalistic 'space' creation. I have an amazing impulse file which uses Row 8, dead center in Foellinger Auditorium at the University of Illinois.........it's just a beautiful sounding convolution reverb sound. I'd be happy to send you my entire collection of impulse files (and a freeware Convolution reverb as far as that goes) if that would help. > > Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a professionals trick > Im missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the > whole mix at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub? > Its very hard to guage, the film dialog mix is terrible at the moment, > all different levels (even jumps from left to right haa ha.. with lots > of background noise (wind in trees mostly) Here is where compression might save you guys a lot of heart ache............some clean up tools might help too. If the movie is going to be effective it is imperative that this be fixed right away, even down to going into a controlled space and re-dubbing your dialogue. This is one of the first signs of an amateur film and I can't more highly stress that you should get a handle on it in order to make the film effective. A quick trick with your left to right jumping dialogue........condense your stereo track to a mono track and duplicate it and then remix to naturlistic taste. If the dialogue is really heavily lopsided in stereo then put the two tracks out of phase with each other........this will radically reduce your noise but still retain the dialogue. This one is tricky and doesn't always work but it might be worth a shot to save you a lot of re-dubbing time. Okay, that's it for now. Good luck and congratulations on your first film score! rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 21:32:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5272183462; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:32:29 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:32:39 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: These are fantastic suggestions, Per (as always). I've never used the last one but it's a brilliant way to manually control the stereo effect. Thanks for yet another tool for my producing tool box. Appreciatively, Rick (I reproduced them in case anyone missed this great post) > > >> Any more "live making" techniques? > I think the general "holy graal" in mixing recorded music is > side-chaining. The reason for that belief is that this comes closest > to how our ears and brains make us experience the sound of real music, > when heard on location rather than through a recording. The brain is > capable of focusing on many simultaneous details of what we're hearing > and then de-code these impressions by super fast analysis of early > reflections by the acoustic environment. This is why we can follow a > soft sound although surrounded by loud noise. All this doesn't work in > a recording medium (since there are no environmental reflections > except for the listening room related to the two speakers). And I > think side-chaining is a good way to fake it in a recording. > Technically you set up a routing in a mixer where certain sounds > affect other sound, by volume or timbre. The idea is that when one > instrument makes a sound that is important for the music, some other > instruments back off a bit to make room. This is actually how > musicians in an ensemble do play together, to "live perform > side-chaining" ;-) It's all about making as many details as possible > dynamically related. They already are so, in a strictly musical sense > - because if not the music would suck - but I'm talking more > "sound-wise" here. A great metaphor to get started is to listen to the > music as inter-playing frequency bands. Step one is to find out what > particular bands make sense to juggle with and step two is to juggle > them nicely, putting back the organic element. > > Another general tip: > you might want to make the stereo perspective extreme, because there > may come sync sound and dialog in the middle. There are plugins to > broaden or narrow a stereo image but you can do it manually as well > (with better control) by setting up this routing matrix: Clone the > signal into three channels. Revers stereo image for channel one, phase > invert and lower the level a tiny bit for channel two and make channel > three mono. Now, these three channels is your tool to achieve all > kinds of stereo perspective, from the broadest that sounds wider than > physical speaker positions to a punchy and focused up-your-face mix, > and you get full mono compatibility in the package. The process also > opens up for tricks like processing different parts of the stereo > image differently (level balancing, EQ, compression). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 22:35:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2C88183464; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=h9TcFVo7VFUKP7hb0hIYbvqX/bER9E72yGJa3e9otkw=; b=xecNb7WIRXrJDhU2sBtLjqYQH9GRajkYOL09C3MiHKP3/38h5nOooaVK98/7jLa4YG uQPGpaz+qv+dhZHbvXVgWmUtx8VkUJAzE8putLvmywSeBWuaYCPz2jWEV+8l5bchl5/2 norVnpdHZfYNK4KAwSuuNqA6jKOYEEQgicD/g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:35:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Total Recall in Ableton Live - Kapture (revisited) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7CqmoB.A.bmG.g6DOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:35:12 +0000 (UTC) I just looked a little deeper into the Max for Live device Kapture. This device offers instant recall. It lets you record and store snapshots of the whole mixer plus devices settings. And this includes looping plugins too! Can you see the tremendous performance power in this for live looping musicians? You can totally design your own looping interface like you want it. Simply decide on what control commands you want, set up mixer and plugins for that and snag a snapshot of it. For some snapshots you may deselect a lot of mixer parameters and only have the snapshot recall the looper's settings, or maybe just one of many loopers you are using. Snapshots can be activated in two ways. First, you mouse the drop-down menu of the Kapture plugin's GUI. Second, you launch an empty clip in Live that has the same name as the Kapture snapshot it's meant to activate. This gives that you can handle a very complex performance setup with only three MIDI pedals: Scene Up, Scene Down and Scene Launch. Compare that to the classic way of assigning one pedal switch for each function. Over here I will keep my 80 pedals (8 Gordius banks of 10 each) and just assign three of them for Kapture. Then I'll see whee this takes me. I just checked with Augustus Loop and every damn parameter in the looper is captured by Kapture. Finally this is opening up a way to use this wonderful looper plugin IRL. My issue with Augustus have always been that I can't press all buttons for all things I want to make happen at once. The EDP functionality design is easier to use but lacks some cool stuff you can do with Augustus. With Augustus it typically makes sense to keep a direct MIDI binding to the Freeze Button, besides this Kapture Snapshot system. Finally, you may rework your setup very quickly in a modular way. Just move around the live clips for different Kapture snapshots. You may put several rows of them in Live's Session View (the data spreadsheat-like interface) so that one Scene (all clips at the same horizontal level) will only launch these Snapshot Clips. Very useful, especially if you work on many projects and has an issue remembering the different setups. Here you can simply read it on the screen, or easily memorize it visually before a concert. FYI I can tell that this total recall approach for many years has been the base for the French software looper Logeloop as well as for Numerology. In those two apps "saving a preset" takes a snapshot of everything, just like this Kapture thing. One thing I will start fiddling around with now, using Augustus Loop and Kapture, is to work with long bows of slow speed shifts, as this looper offers non-quantized continuous speed/pitch shift. I did some of that on the album with Erdem but until this Kapture I've seen a live concert tool that would allow experimenting with it on stage (except for Logeloop, but I can't run many of my tone shaping plugins in that Max built looper so Live currently works better for me). Ok, signing off now. Just wanted to mention this if someone out there also has been looking for these kind of tools. Oh, I should mention that instant recall of everything is not all snappy. At least not according to a discussion on the Max For Live forum. Some users there report that not all settings change at the same time. But I'm not sure that should seen as a showstopper, after all Plastikman uses Kapture every night to coordinate both Ableton Live mix mashup improvisation and synced video. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 08:25:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDCDA18345E; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: CT-Collective feature on KUSF in Exile tonight Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:25:16 +0100 Message-ID: <003501ccea29$04393b00$0cabb100$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AczmxPG0VIjhnOUtQae1RNws3QWHIwDY+yjw Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote, > while I may have a great face for radio, my voice is best suited for silent pictures lol :) :) -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 08:51:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEC05183473; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 728902383/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.101/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.101 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBABzOOE9YbRVl/2dsb2JhbAAMN7JyAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd4uGaLQCsJBREBBQQDBAQHDgYBAwgBBQcagxICUBUJBAEBCwMBCgg2gx0EmnmNHQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,411,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="728902383" Message-ID: <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:50:58 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:51:22 +0000 (UTC) > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> you might want to make the stereo perspective extreme, because there >> may come sync sound and dialog in the middle. There are plugins to >> broaden or narrow a stereo image but you can do it manually as well >> (with better control) by setting up this routing matrix: Clone the >> signal into three channels. Revers stereo image for channel one, phase >> invert and lower the level a tiny bit for channel two and make channel >> three mono. Now, these three channels is your tool to achieve all >> kinds of stereo perspective, from the broadest that sounds wider than >> physical speaker positions to a punchy and focused up-your-face mix, >> and you get full mono compatibility in the package. The process also >> opens up for tricks like processing different parts of the stereo >> image differently (level balancing, EQ, compression). hi Per, any chance you can put that into equations? In English, I can't even work out how you'd mix the 3 "channels" to regain the original mix. (or is that the point?) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 09:20:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2355183486; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 722669568/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.101/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.101 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBACrVOE9YbRVl/2dsb2JhbAAMN7J1AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd4uGCLQB0OBwIWAQUEAwQEBw4GAQMIAQUHGoMSAlAVCQQBAQsDAQoINoMdBJp5jR0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,411,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="722669568" Message-ID: <4F38D5E9.8030403@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:20:41 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:20:44 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an engineer > for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well together, > I expect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low in the mix > ofr my tastes, and often what tends to happen with my mixes, is that one > hears ONE instrument stick out above the films mix. Check the mix at very low volume, ..even walk out of the room. That's a pretty standard trick. ...and why not just try mixing it low under the dialog > > Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, > just one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one Hall > reverb to emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. Is this > the right approach? I never mixed for vid, but I assume there's a "rule" to make sure the reverb on the music isn't shorter than that on the dialog, or overly inappropriate to the location of the scene. > > Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a professionals trick Im > missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the whole > mix at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub? watch out for sub frequencies below the range of your monitors > The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang > live on set... yikes.. no click track and no reference pitch? yike...good luck with that andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 09:35:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 578D618347A; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+s40gnw3Tz5QxwHG1W+LDUl+03tIS1z0Hymi+nv1IlY=; b=N2g2FWllX34PE0i/leaOsCsHXn28Q/nVJGjWfCf7Ag0X6S8qrk9fu3xqH9iXgf6UdN +deSgFG1UvuxvHV/f99aKEk7njO0Sra71NekqkNhLG8E6u/j+wLfLfSxMRdFkGHmb6Lz pCgweNBGow9oXi0Aa/fkUsfYx4VIzqwBGes5o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:35:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:35:38 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > >>> you might want to make the stereo perspective extreme, because there >>> may come sync sound and dialog in the middle. There are plugins to >>> broaden or narrow a stereo image but you can do it manually as well >>> (with better control) by setting up this routing matrix: Clone the >>> signal into three channels. Revers stereo image for channel one, phase >>> invert and lower the level a tiny bit for channel two and make channel >>> three mono. Now, these three channels is your tool to achieve all >>> kinds of stereo perspective, from the broadest that sounds wider than >>> physical speaker positions to a punchy and focused up-your-face mix, >>> and you get full mono compatibility in the package. The process also >>> opens up for tricks like processing different parts of the stereo >>> image differently (level balancing, EQ, compression). > > > hi Per, > any chance you can put that into equations? > In English, I can't even work out how you'd mix the 3 > "channels" to regain the original mix. > (or is that the point?) > andy > Hi Andy. The point is not to regain the original mix. The point is to change it a bit. The listening experience of a mix treated this way is better definition both for content and stereo image. The technical achievement is that the mix becomes safe for mono playback, meaning that levels won't come out differently in mono compared to hearing it in stereo. If expressed as a signal addressing scheme the workflow is: 1. Split the main output into three parallel channels. 2. Set up the processing for each one of those three parallel channels as explained above. 3. Merge the three processing channels into the final master. Here's what you do in detail by a more technical description: Ch A: Reverse stereo channels. Ch B: Invert phase. Now, when two channels of reversed phase play back through the same playback channel they nullify each other and the sum is silence. BUT here we made one of them stereo reversed, which means that only the audio that is mono - i.e. middle of stereo image - becomes nullified. Merging A + B gives us a "hole in the middle" stereo image. The deepness of the black hole and the width of the experienced stereo field depends on how you set the levels of these two stereo busses. My finding is that 1 dB lower for the phase inverted Ch B works best for the music I do (-1 dB that is). Now enter Ch C, the "monofied" split, and fill up that hole in the middle with this one. If the orignal mix is good this should stay at 0 dB as Ch A. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 09:48:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD11C18348C; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=2wwA/dBcc3GlVfGE77+oqG+6quJYhlMffjAw25mtNJs=; b=M2s61MkOz4iIyrQil1hqNJgjf3B2rlAssAGR7ae29FPAJUopHQEFC+oKnOcEDXiAyT +OrvE840hX9+FF0Qbaf9/X3tM/5bO86qi49RV5yrtireA5DRIoJukdQLFZfj/tvUoaih a7jXtgA7S7LaMHRLEJhOf+OUJ4peDKl07rWDk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:47:48 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tpySZOYirdCfWXvsaDstv1aGajI Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040169c733d6c604b8d56090 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:48:09 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040169c733d6c604b8d56090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One thing I think I missed in your description. Per? Are you saying to make a MONO mix? and then split THAT mix into 3; what of conventional placement stereo, arranging instruments around in the spectrum? Generally I leave sampled instruments "in the middle" they are usually sampled in stereo and as such have some stereo "feel". but if Im duplicating midi tracks and assigning new instruments for "phatness" I of course pan things a bit, choirs I do this with. I usually use a sampled track centrally, then sing maybe 5 tracks myself, which I then place in an arc over the top of the original. SO I am creating stereo set-ups within the mix, to create space and width. thefore I MUST mix to stereo... I can see using your technique for "special" sounds, like ambient drones and... um... more ambient drones... I think this is very interesting.. I remember my band collegue doing months of tests in an very expensive studio where using phase, he tried to get an instrument to disappear if you closed the door.... ha ha... dont ask me.. i couldnt hear it... I think BMG got the bill for that ha ha! M On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, andy butler > wrote: > > > Here's what you do in detail by a more technical description: > > Ch A: Reverse stereo channels. Ch B: Invert phase. Now, when two > channels of reversed phase play back through the same playback channel > they nullify each other and the sum is silence. BUT here we made one > of them stereo reversed, which means that only the audio that is mono > - i.e. middle of stereo image - becomes nullified. Merging A + B gives > us a "hole in the middle" stereo image. The deepness of the black hole > and the width of the experienced stereo field depends on how you set > the levels of these two stereo busses. My finding is that 1 dB lower > for the phase inverted Ch B works best for the music I do (-1 dB that > is). Now enter Ch C, the "monofied" split, and fill up that hole in > the middle with this one. If the orignal mix is good this should stay > at 0 dB as Ch A. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d040169c733d6c604b8d56090 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One thing I think I missed in your description. Per?

Are you say= ing to make a MONO mix? and then split THAT mix into 3; what of conventiona= l placement stereo, arranging instruments around in the spectrum?

Generally I leave sampled instruments "in the middle" they are us= ually sampled in stereo and as such have some stereo "feel". but = if Im duplicating midi tracks and assigning new instruments for "phatn= ess" I of course pan things a bit, choirs I do this with. I usually us= e a sampled track centrally, then sing maybe 5 tracks myself, which I then = place in an arc over the top of the original. SO I am creating stereo set-u= ps within the mix, to create space and width. thefore I MUST mix to stereo.= ..

I can see using your technique for "special" sounds, like amb= ient drones and... um... more ambient drones...

I think this is very= interesting..

I remember my band collegue doing months of tests in = an very expensive studio where using phase, he tried to get an instrument t= o disappear if you closed the door.... ha ha... dont ask me.. i couldnt hea= r it... I think BMG got the bill for that ha ha!

M


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:35 = AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, an= dy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co= .uk> wrote:
>
Here's what you do in detail by a more technical description:

Ch A: Reverse stereo channels. Ch B: Invert phase. Now, when two
channels of reversed phase play back through the same playback channel
they nullify each other and the sum is silence. BUT here we made one
of them stereo reversed, which means that only the audio that is mono
- i.e. middle of stereo image - becomes nullified. Merging A + B gives
us a "hole in the middle" stereo image. The deepness of the black= hole
and the width of the experienced stereo field depends on how you set
the levels of these two stereo busses. My finding is that 1 dB lower
for the phase inverted Ch B works best for the music I do (-1 dB that
is). Now enter Ch C, the "monofied" split, and fill up that hole = in
the middle with this one. If the orignal mix is good this should stay
at 0 dB as Ch A.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d040169c733d6c604b8d56090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:03:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B17618348F; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3sfeYI7q559ZUZBZh2C7/1ot4TVGAGMVao3q8+0muvU=; b=UlBZQsyqRAmC5NBwbQ3Ybtg2rGS4kW+8OkinaNfN21HdqMNYfNmDGiMwTGLgVcK5nh u+ySLV6RbsfoOY2mkim619y/Ogv88whg0+D6mlEp8hz7Wnv2RUjMpM1UluFCpkM2rrzv 5TFTd4JirnMqqWfRQTnq7QM6fB2rwWhx0rqEQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:03:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:03:49 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:47 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Are you saying to make a MONO mix? No. > and then split THAT mix into 3; what of > conventional placement stereo, arranging instruments around in the spectrum? You must have read my post sleeping! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:06:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E04518348F; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=9lwo+6bH1Mtkbl8rqJYiQVwoulHB8UXuukvLMXPYdVk=; b=A0TlxGHi9KdYebMLPxoSVs6/NV3SuaGGwMWakJV/Jfxxoo4rmgVlf9XNZUH/eYZLPQ JAy7aREQYUkiunvVLh8zQujplAG23yum1GURs896G0goiDxaMMQe63tE3FHFHvNjslXf t09SdNT/a5KOeKFT8OFrNMNSNXV1NtcVdUPyA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:06:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Txl840mhWiTHl19bhJZebOAAI8I Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f93fa5a826f04b8d5a2f1 Resent-Message-ID: <3aZayB.A.WWE.vCOOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:06:39 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f93fa5a826f04b8d5a2f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 sarky bugger.. :-) so you are saying that its the stereo mix that is duplicated 3 times... etc? Mark On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:47 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Are you saying to make a MONO mix? > > No. > > > and then split THAT mix into 3; what of > > conventional placement stereo, arranging instruments around in the > spectrum? > > > You must have read my post sleeping! ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f93fa5a826f04b8d5a2f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sarky bugger..

:-)

so you are saying that its the stereo mix= that is duplicated 3 times... etc?

Mark

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen <<= a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com> wr= ote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10= :47 AM, mark francombe <mark@m= arkfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Are you saying to make a MONO mix?

No.

> and then split THAT mix into 3; what of
> conventional placement stereo, arranging instruments around in the spe= ctrum?


You must have read my post sleeping! ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d042f93fa5a826f04b8d5a2f1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:23:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C73B3183491; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pgEeZOA/H6VDfaJHcyjUWfutPwqrmRyjCpwmsAM90IQ=; b=l+lzMfwz/Hi945yvG36HSH5GiLb51/BFFiezAnfFsXvanSERK92ACGeIc+6VUpWl5V eCWmkw3VoZh6pNkY6IcSbiZrRl2QOxI9XA4LCxOa4Dtj2r9QfQmrWic2QaO2A4VOfxXg YOzbmDX9vXzP60CZ8Q8AhueLbyCPSjxr4Qh6s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:23:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:23:28 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, mark francombe wrote: > so you are saying that its the stereo mix that is duplicated 3 times... etc? Yes. p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:30:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FDBC183494; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:30:09 +0000 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Total Recall in Ableton Live - Kapture (revisited) Message-ID: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01EYhzQYHrq3MPu7mqUobs2K9QtuKkP4G15rNSt9upR4S21KQK/uQ=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <_8Ha_C.A.srE.8YOOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:30:20 +0000 (UTC) That thing is indeed rather amazing. The only issue is that latency builds up with large amounts of parameters being changed but maybe that's better on a faster machine (my trusty but creaky six year old macbook is nearing retirement age!). It also makes me realise that I really need to learn Max/MSP. Philip. --On 12 February 2012 23:35 +0100 Per Boysen wrote: > I just looked a little deeper into the Max for Live device Kapture. > This device offers instant recall. It lets you record and store > snapshots of the whole mixer plus devices settings. And this includes > looping plugins too! Can you see the tremendous performance power in > this for live looping musicians? You can totally design your own > looping interface like you want it. Simply decide on what control > commands you want, set up mixer and plugins for that and snag a > snapshot of it. For some snapshots you may deselect a lot of mixer > parameters and only have the snapshot recall the looper's settings, or > maybe just one of many loopers you are using. > > Snapshots can be activated in two ways. First, you mouse the drop-down > menu of the Kapture plugin's GUI. Second, you launch an empty clip in > Live that has the same name as the Kapture snapshot it's meant to > activate. This gives that you can handle a very complex performance > setup with only three MIDI pedals: Scene Up, Scene Down and Scene > Launch. Compare that to the classic way of assigning one pedal switch > for each function. Over here I will keep my 80 pedals (8 Gordius banks > of 10 each) and just assign three of them for Kapture. Then I'll see > whee this takes me. > > I just checked with Augustus Loop and every damn parameter in the > looper is captured by Kapture. Finally this is opening up a way to use > this wonderful looper plugin IRL. My issue with Augustus have always > been that I can't press all buttons for all things I want to make > happen at once. The EDP functionality design is easier to use but > lacks some cool stuff you can do with Augustus. With Augustus it > typically makes sense to keep a direct MIDI binding to the Freeze > Button, besides this Kapture Snapshot system. > > Finally, you may rework your setup very quickly in a modular way. Just > move around the live clips for different Kapture snapshots. You may > put several rows of them in Live's Session View (the data > spreadsheat-like interface) so that one Scene (all clips at the same > horizontal level) will only launch these Snapshot Clips. Very useful, > especially if you work on many projects and has an issue remembering > the different setups. Here you can simply read it on the screen, or > easily memorize it visually before a concert. > > FYI I can tell that this total recall approach for many years has been > the base for the French software looper Logeloop as well as for > Numerology. In those two apps "saving a preset" takes a snapshot of > everything, just like this Kapture thing. One thing I will start > fiddling around with now, using Augustus Loop and Kapture, is to work > with long bows of slow speed shifts, as this looper offers > non-quantized continuous speed/pitch shift. I did some of that on the > album with Erdem but until this Kapture I've seen a live concert tool > that would allow experimenting with it on stage (except for Logeloop, > but I can't run many of my tone shaping plugins in that Max built > looper so Live currently works better for me). > > Ok, signing off now. Just wanted to mention this if someone out there > also has been looking for these kind of tools. Oh, I should mention > that instant recall of everything is not all snappy. At least not > according to a discussion on the Max For Live forum. Some users there > report that not all settings change at the same time. But I'm not sure > that should seen as a showstopper, after all Plastikman uses Kapture > every night to coordinate both Ableton Live mix mashup improvisation > and synced video. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:35:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49FC318348F; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W956b2Y0svQJu2T3NZuvqFfV89JEMLm/H33tqhykGHk=; b=iFk6n2nlaGJ5lvXtdmqxTbN7+8zAXc97f1A56PMzRxbGEA2pXams6fNwFzGlFFd24j 0XqBCKy8x+5MYxL6ZuxwzFqRpg5uG44uPnPwJkDgaxhmsgB6ldcTKAOeuTaL0rQxJMOK vOJntFSQJ37RHapI/pD8fZC3HvI9jGuaMUvLo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> References: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:35:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Total Recall in Ableton Live - Kapture (revisited) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Better way is to plan your setup around latency. Actions that depend on correct timing can still be addressed with a direct control. Actions that are quantized in a looper shouldn't be assigned to Kapture either because the looper needs to know the given command a bit in advance. It's just like tuning a tempered instrument; balance the quirks to make a good enough performance possible ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Philip Conway wrote: > That thing is indeed rather amazing. =C2=A0The only issue is that latency= builds > up with large amounts of parameters being changed but maybe that's better= on > a faster machine (my trusty but creaky =C2=A0six year old macbook is near= ing > retirement age!). =C2=A0It also makes me realise that I really need to le= arn > Max/MSP. > > > Philip. > > > --On 12 February 2012 23:35 +0100 Per Boysen wrote: > >> I just looked a little deeper into the Max for Live device Kapture. >> This device offers instant recall. It lets you record and store >> snapshots of the whole mixer plus devices settings. And this includes >> looping plugins too! Can you see the tremendous performance power in >> this for live looping musicians? You can totally design your own >> looping interface like you want it. Simply decide on what control >> commands you want, set up mixer and plugins for that and snag a >> snapshot of it. For some snapshots you may deselect a lot of mixer >> parameters and only have the snapshot recall the looper's settings, or >> maybe just one of many loopers you are using. >> >> Snapshots can be activated in two ways. First, you mouse the drop-down >> menu of the Kapture plugin's GUI. Second, you launch an empty clip in >> Live that has the same name as the Kapture snapshot it's meant to >> activate. This gives that you can handle a very complex performance >> setup with only three MIDI pedals: Scene Up, Scene Down and Scene >> Launch. Compare that to the classic way of assigning one pedal switch >> for each function. Over here I will keep my 80 pedals (8 Gordius banks >> of 10 each) and just assign three of them for Kapture. Then I'll see >> whee this takes me. >> >> I just checked with Augustus Loop and every damn parameter in the >> looper is captured by Kapture. Finally this is opening up a way to use >> this wonderful looper plugin IRL. My issue with Augustus have always >> been that I can't press all buttons for all things I want to make >> happen at once. The EDP functionality design is easier to use but >> lacks some cool stuff you can do with Augustus. With Augustus it >> typically makes sense to keep a direct MIDI binding to the Freeze >> Button, besides this Kapture Snapshot system. >> >> Finally, you may rework your setup very quickly in a modular way. Just >> move around the live clips for different Kapture snapshots. You may >> put several rows of them in Live's Session View (the data >> spreadsheat-like interface) so that one Scene (all clips at the same >> horizontal level) will only launch these Snapshot Clips. Very =C2=A0usef= ul, >> especially if you work on many projects and has an issue remembering >> the different setups. Here you can simply read it on the screen, or >> easily memorize it visually before a concert. >> >> FYI I can tell that this total recall approach for many years has been >> the base for the French software looper Logeloop as well as for >> Numerology. In those two apps "saving a preset" takes a snapshot of >> everything, just like this Kapture thing. One thing I will start >> fiddling around with now, using Augustus Loop and Kapture, is to work >> with long bows of slow speed shifts, as this looper offers >> non-quantized continuous speed/pitch shift. I did some of that on the >> album with Erdem but until this Kapture I've seen a live concert tool >> that would allow experimenting with it on stage (except for Logeloop, >> but I can't run many of my tone shaping plugins in that Max built >> looper so Live currently works better for me). >> >> Ok, signing off now. Just wanted to mention this if someone out there >> also has been looking for these kind of tools. Oh, I should mention >> that instant recall of everything is not all snappy. At least not >> according to a discussion on the Max For Live forum. Some users there >> report that not all settings change at the same time. But I'm not sure >> that should seen as a showstopper, after all Plastikman uses Kapture >> every night to coordinate both Ableton Live mix mashup improvisation >> and synced video. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:41:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82558183496; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 722701921/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.101/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.101 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAILnOE9YbRVl/2dsb2JhbAAMN7J1AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd4uG6LSAYmCQEMAQUEAwQEBw4GAQMIAQUHgywCUHuDHQSaeY0d X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,411,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="722701921" Message-ID: <4F38E8F3.7010708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:41:55 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering !Reverb References: <4F382ECE.8010200@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F382ECE.8010200@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4g_TiB.A.O8E.1jOOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > Think about any natural acoustic space: I try, but the chaps at Lexicon thought harder and better. I certainly agree with you that far too often there's too much reverb used, but I'd have reservations about using convolution based reverbs as a panacea. The problem with convolution based reverbs is that while they're almost perfect to simulate a single instrument playing a certain location within a venue they're not optimal for, say, a string section. In a string section because each instrument is situated at a different place then you ideally want to close mic each one, and feed each through it's own dedicated convolution specicially recorded with an impulse generated at it's exact location within the ensemble. Practically, that ain't gonna happen and you're going to run the whole ensemble through a single impulse. That produces comb filtering related to the fact that you are simulating an acoustic space where the whole string section is crammed into a singularity. This is why, even with the easy availability of impulses from the world's finest acoustic environments people are still prepared to pay big money for an algorithmic reverb. A cheaper hardware/plugin reverb device will have the same 'fault' just described, in that it produces an effect that could be duplicated by taking an impulse. That's why using convolution with an impulse can usually sound better, indeed it's the best "value for money". Those "big expensive jobs" have more going on in them, for instance using a certain amount of randomisation of the delays in order to avoid comb filtering. As Matthias Grob would put it, "the Lexicon doesn't sound like reverb, it sounds like space." With all that in mind, one way to get something of the feel of a real space without the enormous expense of a high end reverb device would be to put a small reverb onto the individual instruments then feed everything into the larger reverb for acoustic space. That at least would mitigate the problem of having everything being reverbed as if it was coming from exactly the same space. Obviously, this is all a slight simplification, as a reverb effect can treat the two channels of a stereo mix slightly differently...but the principle outlined still applies. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 11:59:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45711183493; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:59:37 +0100 (CET) From: antony hequet Reply-To: antony hequet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1924936134.275949.1329134377706.JavaMail.www@wwinf1g20> In-Reply-To: <4F38E8F3.7010708@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F382ECE.8010200@cruzio.com> <4F38E8F3.7010708@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: App store MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [93.20.236.104] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:59:39 +0000 (UTC) I am lame, Want to buy touchosc on th app store, I reach the page and I see no buy pay download': how does it work? Antony Hequet From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 13:13:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA3A318348E; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TUaRCU1BK2Kgp1O1gc2AYcjn4aJffwNx0CtV9H4RcIBOTO3LbzVOASAH4gQV2GDj; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:13:07 -0500 To: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-882983705==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797805fa383fcecb089523641cdc6cfadc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:13:12 +0000 (UTC) --============_-882983705==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Mark, Congrats on the film score! I'm a professional mixing engineer, and in the last 30 years I've mixed thousands of records and hundreds of film and TV scores. I've been following the thread here, and I am a bit concerned at some of the advice you've been given. The reality is that there really aren't and "tricks" per se, and all that you really need to do is use your ears and your heart to evoke the most emotion from the score. When dealing with sample based string and brass, the mixing process is considerably more involved than it is when a live ensemble with an experienced conductor and orchestrator is involved. The key is pacing and dynamics. The orchestrator will annotate the dynamics and the conductor will work with the players at each section to get the score to really "speak". Dozens of takes are sometimes required to get just the right mood. When mixing a low budget score which uses VSL or other sample based orchestrations, I work the mix automation HARD, every phrase is sculpted and crafted until the proper interaction is achieved. It is simply hard work, and takes longer than when mixing live players because YOU are the player, orchestrator and conductor. As for the sonic aspects, less is more. Keep things simple, focus on the big picture. As you've pointed out, the volume level of the music is going to be very low in the final product. Check your mixes at extremely low volume level, and if possible, while running the dialog and sound design elements at their normal levels. Please do NOT employ any "tricks" involving inverting the polarity across any stereo pair, as this will wreak havok when the mix hits any AC-3 or Dolby surround encoding. No professional mixer would do it, and neither should you. -Chuck Zwicky New York At 11:32 +0100 12/2/12, mark francombe wrote: >No looping content hence OT. (there IS some looping in the music Im >discussing, but thats not to point. > >Background: I am in the middle of producing my first "proper" film >score. (Scoring music for short corporate films is my day-job, but >this is ART!) Not a big production (ok a very small production, in >France) so no budget foe calling int some professionals. > >I am pretty happy (musically) with the score so far. And prettu >happy with the sound choices and sampling I have done. Its mostly >orchestral in genre, but quite minimal, with a few uses of unusual >instruments, to weird it up a bit. > >My question regards the final stages I am approaching now. In order >to give it a "live" feel or less programmed feel, both in terms of >final programming tweaks and eq/effects tweak. What Hits or Tricks >would some of you Prs use.. I know some of you are either extremely >advanced in recording techiniques (per etc, who I would like to >thank for almost 24 hour email service when Ive been stuck with >things.) or professional composers (Daniel Im thinking of here now.. >I think.. terrible with names). > >Things I doing right now..: >1. tweaking attack times on strings... the first attack of a legato >section can be a long attack but sounds more natural on follow up >notes to have little or no attack. >2. Moving "top" lines of string sections to be there own solo >instruments, the string parts were all written with a generic >ensemble patch, but its better to move the highest musical melody >line to a solo viola or solo violin patch. >3. indivisually increasing amounts of velocity of notes. >4. My sample allows for slight random variations in pitch and volume >(pitch can get a bit far out, but is ok in sections) > >Any more "live making" techniques? > >The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an >engineer for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit >well together, I expect that the Film Director will drop the music >VERY low in the mix ofr my tastes, and often what tends to happen >with my mixes, is that one hears ONE instrument stick out above the >films mix. Do I REALLY want to slap a big old compressor on the >end.. It ruins the mix for me! And the music sounds good loud.. how >can I avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its This problem, >that (if im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park yet ) can >make a good piece of music start sounding all er.. "General Midi- >ish" > >Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, >just one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one >Hall reverb to emulate that all the instruments are in the same >room. Is this the right approach? > >Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a professionals trick >Im missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the >whole mix at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub? > >Its very hard to guage, the film dialog mix is terrible at the >moment, all different levels (even jumps from left to right haa ha.. >with lots of background noise (wind in trees mostly) > >The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang >live on set... yikes.. no click track microphone walked all the way >around her following the camera... think Im gonna have to go to >Paris and get her to dub it. > >All hints n tips will be very much appreciated.. > >MArk > >-- >Mark Francombe >www.markfrancombe.com >www.ordoabkhao.com >http://vimeo.com/user825094 >http://www.looop.no >twitter @markfrancombe >http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-882983705==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints?
Hi Mark,

Congrats on the film score!   I'm a professional mixing engineer, and in the last 30 years I've mixed thousands of records and hundreds of film and TV scores.  I've been following the thread here, and I am a bit concerned at some of the  advice you've been given.  

The reality is that there really aren't and "tricks" per se, and all that you really need to do  is use your ears and your heart to evoke the most emotion from the score.

When dealing with sample based string and brass, the mixing process is considerably more involved than it is when a live ensemble with an experienced conductor and orchestrator is involved.  The key is pacing and dynamics.  The orchestrator will annotate the dynamics and the conductor will work with the players at each section to get the score to really "speak".  Dozens of takes are sometimes required to get just the right mood.
When mixing a low budget score which uses VSL or other sample based orchestrations, I work the mix automation HARD, every phrase is sculpted and crafted until the proper interaction is achieved.  It is simply hard work, and takes longer than when mixing live players because YOU are the player, orchestrator and conductor.

As for the sonic aspects, less is more.  Keep things simple, focus on the big picture.   As you've pointed out, the volume level of the music is going to be very low in the final product.  Check your mixes at extremely low volume level, and if possible, while running the dialog and sound design elements at their normal levels.  Please do NOT employ any "tricks" involving inverting the polarity across any stereo pair, as this will wreak havok when the mix hits any AC-3 or Dolby surround encoding.  No professional mixer would do it, and neither should you.

-Chuck Zwicky
New York

At 11:32 +0100 12/2/12, mark francombe wrote:
No looping content hence OT. (there IS some looping in the music Im discussing, but thats not to point.

Background: I am in the middle of producing my first "proper" film score. (Scoring music for short corporate films is my day-job, but this is ART!) Not a big production (ok a very small production, in France) so no budget foe calling int some professionals.

I am pretty happy (musically) with the score so far. And prettu happy with the sound choices and sampling I have done. Its mostly orchestral in  genre, but quite minimal, with a few uses of unusual instruments, to weird it up a bit.

My question regards the final stages I am approaching now. In order to give it a "live" feel or less programmed feel, both in terms of final programming tweaks and eq/effects tweak. What Hits or Tricks would some of you Prs use.. I know some of you are either extremely advanced in recording techiniques (per etc, who I would like to thank for almost 24 hour email service when Ive been stuck with things.) or professional composers (Daniel Im thinking of here now.. I think.. terrible with names).

Things I doing right now..:
1. tweaking attack times on strings... the first attack of a legato section can be a long attack but sounds more natural on follow up notes to have little or no attack.
2. Moving "top" lines of string sections to be there own solo instruments, the string parts were all written with a generic ensemble patch, but its better to move the highest musical melody line to a solo viola or solo violin patch.
3. indivisually increasing amounts of velocity of notes.
4. My sample allows for slight random variations in pitch and volume (pitch can get a bit far out, but is ok in sections)

Any more "live making" techniques?

The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an engineer for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well together, I expect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low in the mix ofr my tastes, and often what tends to happen with my mixes, is that one hears ONE instrument stick out above the films mix. Do I REALLY want to slap a big old compressor on the end.. It ruins the mix for me! And the music sounds good loud.. how can I avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its This problem, that (if im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park yet ) can make a good piece of music start sounding all  er.. "General Midi- ish"

Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, just one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one Hall reverb to emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. Is this the right approach?

Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a  professionals trick Im missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the whole mix at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub?

Its very hard to guage, the film dialog mix is terrible at the moment, all different levels (even jumps from left to right haa ha.. with lots of background noise (wind in trees mostly)

The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang live on set... yikes.. no click track microphone walked all the way around her following the camera... think Im gonna have to go to Paris and get her to dub it.

All hints n tips will be very much appreciated..

MArk

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-882983705==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 14:17:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C69EA18348A; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=A48XrOxqjAYPewUkjEkTrhGwYyJ7s/PD/c5NOfsoWjm8Ojvn/TNUsOgprFKlndhw; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:17:16 -0500 To: mark francombe From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-882979856==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799acb8b21fda87b6d0daf46fb3920089b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:17:22 +0000 (UTC) --============_-882979856==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Mark, Glad to help. Logic is a very serious program, no doubt. I've been using it for over 15 years (and Notator and Creator before that!). I have become dismayed at Apple's apparent appeasement of "4 on the floor" techno artists, but it is still more flexible than any DAW I've seen. Nearly every film composer I've worked with uses Logic, and the tempo functions are amazing. Doing music for film is an incredible feat. I've found it humbling to see a composer present a brilliant score only to get a re-cut of the film and have to start over. But it is fun, too. I see more sheer innovation in scoring than ANY pop record I've mixed... In December I mixed over 50 cues in one 8 hour day for an upcoming film ( http://www.discoverersmovie.com/about.html ). The composer on that film refused to use any samples, and instead created what he called his "Craigslist Orchestra". He purchased instruments off of Craigslist and taught himself how to play them.. Cello, Trombone, Banjo, flute, any sort of "found object" for percussion, etc.. incredible...your Bones and Cellos are in good company! The key on that project was to strip away all the post processing that the composer had employed while writing and bring the music back to life. It was simple, no-nonsense hard work. Dealing with existing "on screen" vocals is tricky. Recutting is sometimes a luxury, too... I recently cut vocals with the lovely and talented Julianne Moore for an upcoming movie called "What Masie Knew" ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932767/ ). In one scene she sings and plays guitar.. not wanting to tie up a day of filming we decided that it would be best to cut the performance in the studio. She actually learned the song on guitar herself so that she'd look convincing on screen as she lip synched. Keep us posted! -Chuck At 14:51 +0100 13/2/12, mark francombe wrote: >Hey Chuck! > >Thanks for the gratz.. > >I dont think I would dare to try those techniques without some >serious experimenting anyway Charles, waaay out of my league.. what >I like about your POV is that.. this I can do! Its part and parcel >of writing in the first place.. >I have completed a rough score and am awaiting suggestions and >changes from the director, and my post was hoping to get some idea >about the next stage... the tweaking... I have been struggling (and >got lots of help from Mr Boysen) regarding maybe aspect of the >composition in Logic. Many of them are things related to exactly >what you are saying, Like simply being able to slow down subtly has >proven a headache on a DAW that expects us to be a techno musician. >BUt in Logic its very easy, I just didnt know how, and the results >are astounding. Musically Ive had alot of fun, Ive been mixing >cellos with human thighbones, and sampling an actress screaming and >made it into an organ, Ive also covered 5 minutes by just playing, >improvisationly, fingers on keyboard head up at screen. > >I have to work with this "turning it down thing.. It sound great at >top volume, but thru computer speakers, just my "top" comes thru... >Here I really want to compress the shit out of it, I would if it was >pop music, but I dont want to ruin the dynamics I have worked hard >to create... > >(Psst.. How much do you cost per hour?? kidding... there no budget!) > > >thanks again.. > >Mark > >On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Charles Zwicky ><cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote: > >Hi Mark, > >Congrats on the film score! I'm a professional mixing engineer, >and in the last 30 years I've mixed thousands of records and >hundreds of film and TV scores. I've been following the thread >here, and I am a bit concerned at some of the advice you've been >given. > >-Chuck Zwicky >New York > >-- >mark francombe >www.markfrancombe.com >www.ordoabkhao.com >twitter @markfrancombe >http://vimeo.com/user825094 >http://www.looop.no -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-882979856==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints?
Hi Mark,

 Glad to help.  Logic is a very serious program, no doubt. I've been using it for over 15 years (and Notator and Creator before that!).  I have become dismayed at Apple's apparent appeasement of "4 on the floor" techno artists, but  it is still more flexible than any DAW I've seen.  Nearly every film composer I've worked with uses Logic, and the tempo functions are amazing.  Doing music for film is  an incredible feat. I've  found it humbling to see a composer present a brilliant score only to get a re-cut of the film and have to start over. But it is fun, too.
I see more sheer innovation in scoring than ANY pop record I've mixed... In December I mixed over 50 cues in one  8 hour day for an upcoming film ( http://www.discoverersmovie.com/about.html  ).  The composer on that film refused to use any samples, and instead created what he called his "Craigslist Orchestra".  He purchased instruments off of Craigslist and taught himself how to play them.. Cello, Trombone, Banjo, flute,  any sort of "found object" for percussion, etc.. incredible...your Bones and Cellos are in good company!

The key on that project was to strip away all the post processing that the composer had employed while writing and bring the music back to life.  It was simple, no-nonsense hard work.

Dealing with existing "on screen" vocals is tricky. Recutting is sometimes a luxury, too...  I recently cut vocals with the lovely and talented Julianne Moore for an upcoming movie called "What Masie Knew" ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932767/ ).  In one scene she sings and plays guitar.. not wanting to tie up a day of filming we decided that it would be best to cut the performance in the studio. She actually learned the song on guitar herself so that she'd look convincing on screen as she lip synched.

Keep us posted!

-Chuck

At 14:51 +0100 13/2/12, mark francombe wrote:
Hey Chuck!

Thanks for the gratz..

I dont think I would dare to try those techniques without some serious experimenting anyway Charles, waaay out of my league.. what I like about your POV is that.. this I can do! Its part and parcel of writing in the first place..
I have completed a rough score and am awaiting suggestions and changes from the director,  and my post was hoping to get some idea about the next stage... the tweaking... I have been struggling (and got lots of help from Mr Boysen) regarding maybe aspect of the composition in Logic. Many of them are things related to exactly what you are saying, Like simply being able to slow down subtly has proven a headache on a DAW that expects us to be a techno musician. BUt in Logic its very easy, I just didnt know how, and the results are astounding. Musically Ive had alot of fun, Ive been mixing cellos with human thighbones, and sampling an actress screaming and made it into an organ, Ive also covered 5 minutes by just playing, improvisationly, fingers on keyboard head up at screen.

I have to work with this "turning it down thing.. It sound great at top volume, but thru computer speakers, just my "top" comes thru... Here I really want to compress the shit out of it, I would if it was pop music, but I dont want to ruin the dynamics I have worked hard to create...

(Psst.. How much do you cost per hour?? kidding... there no budget!)


thanks again..

Mark
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Mark,

Congrats on the film score!   I'm a professional mixing engineer, and in the last 30 years I've mixed thousands of records and hundreds of film and TV scores.  I've been following the thread here, and I am a bit concerned at some of the  advice you've been given. 
-Chuck Zwicky
New York

--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-882979856==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 14:41:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1262183477; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:41:22 +0100 (CET) From: antony hequet Reply-To: antony hequet To: "Loopers-Delight [Loopers-Delight]" Message-ID: <11583887.161624.1329144083048.JavaMail.www@wwinf1f12> In-Reply-To: <1924936134.275949.1329134377706.JavaMail.www@wwinf1g20> References: <4F382ECE.8010200@cruzio.com> <4F38E8F3.7010708@tiscali.co.uk> <1924936134.275949.1329134377706.JavaMail.www@wwinf1g20> Subject: Osc apps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [93.20.236.104] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Ok I figured it out, not that lame:-) What are your favorite iPad OSC apps?=20 Any one have experience with konkreet labs performer? Antony Hequet > Message du 13/02/12 12:59 > De : "antony hequet"=20 > A : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : App store >=20 > I am lame, > Want to buy touchosc on th app store, I reach the page and I see no buy p= ay download': how does it work? >=20 > Antony Hequet >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 15:29:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 899D5183474; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DOs9YxUNh/PhbCTs00Yg/Mw9ypBX6907F2SwV6ggAN4=; b=uALEbsTxtzVz65kn1E2Myo2lO2irHbeIVZDbk0hWQ3VLiAOlkRHr+++ABCAI+s7KPM 783i8sZVwWBYieIhIRArDATGlq4TJBjNOtGs3GQw0q5OBUGjJaTmEUgHPchtotexWH1i tG3QP9YGcCmBHKOErXbv/jLon5ndCMenkStzk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:29:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:29:40 +0000 (UTC) I never got to comment on the last task, the about making music to an acapella voice recording. I've been doing that a lot in the past, for choir music remix, for album and DVD productioins with spoken word as well as plain pop tunes. I also made a living for a couple of years by "reverse-engineering" covers; production like reproducing all instruments in a Sprinigsteen song for a singer to add vocals on top. Those years were very educational (but most fun in the beginning). The speaker I was working with is a world class speaker and the singer is an African guy with outstanding sense of rhythm and tempo. Knowing this I didn't think much about "Logic" but trusted in the old truth that there is music everywhere if you just listen closely enough and used the following simple method: Listen over and over to the single recording you about to set music to. Listen until your imagination starts hearing music around the voice. That happens pretty soon. The next step is a lot of hard work; figuring out what chords, melodies and tempi the music you are hearing in your imagination has. For me this stage works out best if I sit down with the vocal track in Logic and an acoustic guitar in my lap. Then I simply jam along until I get a feeling for a useful harmonization. Now you may have reached an idea of a full music production you want to record around the voice. Don't start yet! Take an extra hour to align Logic's grid to the tempo of the vocal recording. It will speed up your work later on if you are going to have instant access to any tempo dependent effects. I don't have an absolute metric sense so I use this method: 1. Move the left corner of the audio region to make audio start exactly on a downbeat (the singer's downbeat, forget abut Logic's tempo grid for now). 2. Drag the audio region so this (singer's) downbeat falls on the first downbeat of Logics first bar. 3. Activate a click and hit Play. 4. Fiddle with Logic's tempo until the click and the singer are beginning in sync (just working on the beginning here, as the singer will drift off beat sooner or later). 5. Listen until the singer's tempo goes out of sync with Logic's (yet) stable tempo. Fine, now you know the start tempo for the production. Continue with: 6. Drag the audio region with the vocal recording to the right and drop it a fair bit into Logic's grid. Remember to leave enough space before it for an instrumental introduction. 7. Drag back the left corner of the audio region so the upbeat in the vocal recording won't be cut off. 8. Open Logic's Tempo List. ("Options > Tempo > Open Tempo List>). 9. The tempo list now displays the initial tempo at bar position 1 1 1 1. Select it and hit "cmd c" (copy). 10. Play the stuff until the moment where the singer goes out of sync with the click. Paus by hitting Space Bar. 11. Back approximately a quarter note, click in the tempo list to activate it and hit "cmd v" (paste). 12. The pasted in tempo at this position is still the same as the initial tempo. Tweak the new tempo until you find the new tempo the singer has drifted into. Here's a good place to stop for discussion. Two factors are at work here, the new tempo setting and the timing where the new tempo starts. When I started doing this I first assumed that a gradual tempo change, like a ritardando curve, would work best. But I changed after a lot of trial and error. Now I always put in a few sudden changes rather than a curve because I think that is the way a singer's mind and tempo perception works; you sing your performance and suddenly your brain CLICKS into a new tempo that better fits your emotion (when composing from scratch I do like using long curves of gradual tempo increase/decrease though) but this case is still more "doctoring" than "composing". Ok, my point here is that you need to pay a lot of attention to find the right PLACE and the right TEMPO, because an incorrect tempo can work in a half-assed way if covered up for by another time placement for that change. So you really have to listen to the singer. Now, good singers sometimes sing off tempo and you need to have listened enough to the acapella to follow that and identify different strategies for how to place the grid. 13. Now copy this last tempo and keep listening for the next spot where the singer drifts. Paste it in and change like explained above. Repeat until you reach the end of the vocal recording. Final discussion: There are technical methods in Logic, and other DAWs, to automate this but my finding is that the method I described here gives a more accurate result. It might take longer time but you will get it right. If you want you can use some programmed music mock-up instead of the click (quantized virtual instruments, no audio). Also keep in mind that a singer that sings acapella will always go too fast through the song. This means you will probably want to cut the audio region to create instrumental parts in between vocal phrases. Doing that AFTER you have created the tempo map is a true pain in the arse. The solution is to keep this in mind all the time while analyzing the tempo dynamics and do the cutting and vocals arranging in parallel with working out the tempo list. An hour ago someone on the STick forum posted this YT clip where Hal Galper talks about this from the view of a jazz piano player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_7DgCrziI8 I think it is related as two sides of the same phenomenon. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 16:07:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4B80183473; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=MKHb1NUAFi1L5QgwihbTD5bszBPv67wcnGsEgxOmeM8=; b=tI6urT7OOcDpJNxTOvC0qTWrxBdXTGIy1LtBQ+m7q/ck7s/jPjFhtaqMdXX2Au/E9j jvGtUomR6zO0u6d9kWKiLjg5R22ULHKu33Mak3necZqxjFFLbbwQ0RcWo/YJ9DQ36rlp ZYM7aPdVEOhehbJ25ybX/bpBs4WF+r4xsenU4= References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:07:47 +0100 Message-ID: <3460302567305856260@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks again Per, you really are earning your nick name... Have to say though... I wish.. In this, the actress is not a good singer, interesting maybe, Ive worked with her on NinJam, but here she sings and plays a pink bass... its very slow and goth for a bit, like a swans track, then she suddenly goes totally wild, im not sure what she is trying to do really, and im not sure she does either... its gonna be... interesting. gonna play with the grid for a bit, but you know... I might go gridless!!! Remember playing In time??? No quantise in 1988!!! mark On 13 Feb 2012, at 16:29, Per Boysen wrote: > I never got to comment on the last task, the about making music to an > acapella voice recording. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 16:32:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 142D4183460; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fjTrbzHfY1DIr+BUR41nNHmo0E2kF1cHQShCDsfQCso=; b=nE3MGIVd/W+LEU4oqC+zHmb78+hjU1cuBsbOY9+gtNc4W03gMQpfDz9B82knmIx2Fc DdhDK7Zs1yWwDQFGgikQyp3XzXfxCSWOlIex5bstXRFKhtD6KJrQggqJFGAV6rAUmJk7 uSB6l0bV3eJA4fm6w72kziX/IauZs7i21B8RA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3460302567305856260@unknownmsgid> References: <3460302567305856260@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:32:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <48Wo1.A.2m.msTOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:32:39 +0000 (UTC) IMHO there is always a grid. You just need to find it. Even one single note played/sung has a tempo. Improvisation, my main interest, is all about following the grid (the inner grid that is, the one that usually syncs to like minded you play along with). If she isn't a totally wanna-be weirdo she has a grid. Swans are griddy imo. Grid isn't equal to "fixed tempo". Grid is just a technical implication of FLOW. Per On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:07 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Thanks again Per, you really are earning your nick name... > > Have to say though... I wish.. > > In this, the actress is not a good singer, interesting maybe, Ive > worked with her on NinJam, but here she sings and plays a pink bass... > its very slow and goth for a bit, like a swans track, then she > suddenly goes totally wild, im not sure what she is trying to do > really, and im not sure she does either... its gonna be... > interesting. gonna play with the grid for a bit, but you know... I > might go gridless!!! Remember playing In time??? No quantise in > 1988!!! > > > mark > > On 13 Feb 2012, at 16:29, Per Boysen wrote: > >> I never got to comment on the last task, the about making music to an >> acapella voice recording. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 16:54:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91D2A183463; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nu4rBUw57GmU5OnRcCM7nPPIDj9I6IQfchibFfhxYyw=; b=ujIkgJK4Ygv51ekBV8NHELzmE0J5Ys59PovEFFQKU3fY+TB1ZXbcu11K4K6+eSsS3C e2QQtZbmQBwVUwa8QPJGb0lb4Bv4OjytxaZnj0l2lNc7HLYpulXREQSvQT/hWJ5KvX8v xzeI5UAkU4bJNk8TGKDbx1EYVNH+8JranqRxY= References: <3460302567305856260@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:54:47 +0100 Message-ID: <7927885651269436827@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:54:58 +0000 (UTC) i was of course only refering to the Logic grid... but i know you know that, as your point was more a philosophical one. when you say a " wanna be weirdo" i promise you she aint no wanna be , she a 100% no holds barred, yoko, amos, bj=F8rk, dax, Hagen, Love, fucked up fruitcake! With very little actual talent, (except she a very talenter animator) m Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 13 Feb 2012, at 17:32, Per Boysen wrote: > IMHO there is always a grid. You just need to find it. Even one single > note played/sung has a tempo. Improvisation, my main interest, is all > about following the grid (the inner grid that is, the one that usually > syncs to like minded you play along with). If she isn't a totally > wanna-be weirdo she has a grid. Swans are griddy imo. Grid isn't equal > to "fixed tempo". Grid is just a technical implication of FLOW. > > Per > > > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:07 PM, mark francombe = wrote: >> Thanks again Per, you really are earning your nick name... >> >> Have to say though... I wish.. >> >> In this, the actress is not a good singer, interesting maybe, Ive >> worked with her on NinJam, but here she sings and plays a pink bass... >> its very slow and goth for a bit, like a swans track, then she >> suddenly goes totally wild, im not sure what she is trying to do >> really, and im not sure she does either... its gonna be... >> interesting. gonna play with the grid for a bit, but you know... I >> might go gridless!!! Remember playing In time??? No quantise in >> 1988!!! >> >> >> mark >> >> On 13 Feb 2012, at 16:29, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> I never got to comment on the last task, the about making music to an >>> acapella voice recording. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 17:08:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AEB1183465; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KOX2QKPw4eumIhZDgxpGEQwyxtfhqt99dxin1HwHPlE=; b=rbOAUeKNNYDSBdKsJAf5eT+meiCl0bZIKJG9r5GXr9Bu33sDUgReP8oPG3fIDD3Y65 X7WWzbLc2awjV/Fv7fzdRj71azPt9/wep47ZaxcRAzAhVxrFPGf056GynmwseQx0WpkL seiGJ5fcvt1YWa/P3xxEOMJmG9cfdO+jLfST8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7927885651269436827@unknownmsgid> References: <3460302567305856260@unknownmsgid> <7927885651269436827@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:08:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Cool. I wasn't able to extract that info from the previous thread. But then it shouldn't be difficult. Just listen until you find the flow and start recording. Could even be better not to bother with tech grid at all. Just tune in with your musical instinct and follow the voice. I still don't understand what you mean by "no talent" (musical?) while being a "very talented animator". To me those two are very closely related (especially in the musical field you're now pointing at). I mean that a bad actor sings like a bad actor but a good actor sings excellent even if totally out of key and "can't sing". per On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM, mark francombe w= rote: > i was of course only refering to the Logic grid... but i know you know > that, as your point was more a philosophical one. > > when you say a " wanna be weirdo" i promise you she aint no wanna be , > she a 100% no holds barred, yoko, amos, bj=C3=B8rk, dax, Hagen, Love, > fucked up fruitcake! With very little actual talent, (except she a > very talenter animator) > > m > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 13 Feb 2012, at 17:32, Per Boysen wrote: > >> IMHO there is always a grid. You just need to find it. Even one single >> note played/sung has a tempo. Improvisation, my main interest, is all >> about following the grid (the inner grid that is, the one that usually >> syncs to like minded you play along with). If she isn't a totally >> wanna-be weirdo she has a grid. Swans are griddy imo. Grid isn't equal >> to "fixed tempo". Grid is just a technical implication of FLOW. >> >> Per >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:07 PM, mark francombe wrote: >>> Thanks again Per, you really are earning your nick name... >>> >>> Have to say though... I wish.. >>> >>> In this, the actress is not a good singer, interesting maybe, Ive >>> worked with her on NinJam, but here she sings and plays a pink bass... >>> its very slow and goth for a bit, like a swans track, then she >>> suddenly goes totally wild, im not sure what she is trying to do >>> really, and im not sure she does either... its gonna be... >>> interesting. gonna play with the grid for a bit, but you know... I >>> might go gridless!!! Remember playing In time??? No quantise in >>> 1988!!! >>> >>> >>> mark >>> >>> On 13 Feb 2012, at 16:29, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> I never got to comment on the last task, the about making music to an >>>> acapella voice recording. >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 17:11:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B44183465; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=N44qcGd90wEEqhnw6SBc4HnSUkfzTgFf6LmifsUyWG4=; b=Z8iQ2TpqKImFliOJVR6uKlEhO9Bvv6+K3qLxlb59DWU2IGGFY8MuHUkdyPraEvyqer 23aTYB25w1S0LuMGq7uVwwH2cPRuTM6RsV3xt3Cwbq2EeDXp8fg4AQdkblaL+Ulazo3d bychRhHYsBAfIK8AiXOnN87u+7QzknhlVwPSM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:11:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: MOre video woo's From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Seeing announcements like this floating by in the RSS stream is exciting. Wish I had time to dive into experimenting more with such things. "Moovmi is a Max For Live Video-to-MIDI device that produces midinote sequences from video data analysis. It works with both video files and webcam as sources. The video source is reduced to a low-res..." Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 17:34:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362A8183463; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 732148927/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.101/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.101 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAP1IOU9YbRVl/2dsb2JhbAAMN4UUrXgBAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGHeKofig6BL4oRHhYFCgMEAQUEAwQLAgcFBgEDCAEFBxqDEgJQFQkEAQELAwEKCDaCB4EWBJp5jR0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,412,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="732148927" Message-ID: <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:33:34 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Here's what you do in detail by a more technical description: > > Ch A: Reverse stereo channels. Ch B: Invert phase. Now, when two > channels of reversed phase play back through the same playback channel > they nullify each other and the sum is silence. BUT here we made one > of them stereo reversed, which means that only the audio that is mono > - i.e. middle of stereo image - becomes nullified. Merging A + B gives > us a "hole in the middle" stereo image. The deepness of the black hole > and the width of the experienced stereo field depends on how you set > the levels of these two stereo busses. My finding is that 1 dB lower > for the phase inverted Ch B works best for the music I do (-1 dB that > is). Now enter Ch C, the "monofied" split, and fill up that hole in > the middle with this one. If the orignal mix is good this should stay > at 0 dB as Ch A. So all of the trick is to make you hear the mix differently. There's no way to get the original mix back with that combination. It's almost an implementation of a regular "shuffler", but weirded up: adding A and B equally gives you the classic "sides" signal, ready to mix with the mono "center"...except that the whole result is now L<>R reversed. well, if it works......it's good andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 17:55:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 726C1183465; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=elpVvvuAz4QmNpOn+dNlGBN6CJeA7gBmJmvfMQ6bM4s=; b=nawukDrFeArwvwQ/R5TOveCR0u91Xbl18E9+dqok3enG3qmpoBemwjY3vFKHvdljQJ SYA1lAW4CN3sgzRKeyrs4wgef+lUXxHrKVOhOq9koo0TzT0CLLyWMdbZQMArLyT2SfSz oNhzQLiwNffgYmCa3dPc/K1OYqThaeW47J9gw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:55:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that's correctly understood. In the first post I actually left out the last note, that the mix will become left-right reversed. If you care about that you could reverse it back to the original. It's not such a complex routing and the step for step instruction is all in my first post. But please note that it is a classic mastering technique for stereo format. Not a recommendation for mixing film music ;-) It can be used to optimize experienced detail resolution and to achieve mono compatibility in a stereo master. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:33 PM, andy butler wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: > > >> Here's what you do in detail by a more technical description: >> >> Ch A: Reverse stereo channels. Ch B: Invert phase. Now, when two >> channels of reversed phase play back through the same playback channel >> they nullify each other and the sum is silence. BUT here we made one >> of them stereo reversed, which means that only the audio that is mono >> - i.e. middle of stereo image - becomes nullified. Merging A + B gives >> us a "hole in the middle" stereo image. The deepness of the black hole >> and the width of the experienced stereo field depends on how you set >> the levels of these two stereo busses. My finding is that 1 dB lower >> for the phase inverted Ch B works best for the music I do (-1 dB that >> is). Now enter Ch C, the "monofied" split, and fill up that hole in >> the middle with this one. If the orignal mix is good this should stay >> at 0 dB as Ch A. > > > > So all of the trick is to make you hear the mix > differently. > > There's no way to get the original mix back with that combination. > > It's almost an implementation of a regular "shuffler", but weirded up: > > adding A and B equally gives you the classic "sides" signal, ready to mix > with the mono "center"...except that the whole result is now L<>R > reversed. > > > > > well, if it works......it's good > > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 20:29:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FBF7183465; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jbj8GzGS6DI2HgS1MmrbRdCHvgXbWSlHrm4DartiNOo=; b=sNrsZtTxfwetqPqTbw1YntE4ui/WX3KrIDF8RqOCPCq/VxISOkAFxtQsqQWPRRnjet k8Vezur4wlwQkBiYz+sKk+nY+SVHedtiQ5Y4zx+J08HhmZkfQacRUe9H2KTHoJz5Gxi+ aYcw45w1NWG2VOdDK1fMW2MBXX4YcUtaMXTjk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:29:32 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Per, isn't this technique based on the mid-side (MS) recording method? On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, that's correctly understood. In the first post I actually left > out the last note, that the mix will become left-right reversed. If > you care about that you could reverse it back to the original. It's > not such a complex routing and the step for step instruction is all in > my first post. But please note that it is a classic mastering > technique for stereo format. Not a recommendation for mixing film > music ;-) =A0It can be used to optimize experienced detail resolution > and to achieve mono compatibility in a stereo master. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:33 PM, andy butler wro= te: >> Per Boysen wrote: >> >> >>> Here's what you do in detail by a more technical description: >>> >>> Ch A: Reverse stereo channels. Ch B: Invert phase. Now, when two >>> channels of reversed phase play back through the same playback channel >>> they nullify each other and the sum is silence. BUT here we made one >>> of them stereo reversed, which means that only the audio that is mono >>> - i.e. middle of stereo image - becomes nullified. Merging A + B gives >>> us a "hole in the middle" stereo image. The deepness of the black hole >>> and the width of the experienced stereo field depends on how you set >>> the levels of these two stereo busses. My finding is that 1 dB lower >>> for the phase inverted Ch B works best for the music I do (-1 dB that >>> is). Now enter Ch C, the "monofied" split, and fill up that hole in >>> the middle with this one. If the orignal mix is good this should stay >>> at 0 dB as Ch A. >> >> >> >> So all of the trick is to make you hear the mix >> differently. >> >> There's no way to get the original mix back with that combination. >> >> It's almost an implementation of a regular "shuffler", but weirded up: >> >> adding A and B equally gives you the classic "sides" signal, ready to mi= x >> with the mono "center"...except that the whole result is now L<>R >> reversed. >> >> >> >> >> well, if it works......it's good >> >> >> andy >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 20:53:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 814E9183473; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F39783D.2000500@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:53:17 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering !Reverb References: <4F38E8F3.7010708@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F38E8F3.7010708@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, I hear and agree with all the things you say and would never advise to use a convolution reverb as a panacea..........reverberation is such a complex phenomenon that it would be silly to do so. At the same time, reverbs have been used so unrealistically and so ubiquitously in modern mixing that our ears are accustomed to hearing lots of 'surreal' spaces and accepting them as legitimate. There is a large degree of the reasonable suspension of disbelief in audio processing these days, just because so many people who don't really understand acoustic spaces on a deep level, misuse reverbs constantly. What really sounds crappy, however, is drenching things in any reverb (unless it is an effect that is specifically desired, ala ambient musics) You talk about a very sophisticated solution which is a perfectly reasoned and elegant one but for Mark's purposes, I still stand by the recommendation for a couple of reasons: 1) it's a very simple solution that doesn't take a lot of time or monetary resources 2) the material is not going to be listened do over and over.............anything that sounds reasonable, especially if it is sparingly used, will be accepted by the film audience, imho. That may seem like to low a common denominator of a solution, but I think it's still practical. Thanks for your depth of understanding about the subject, though. I always learn something from your in depth posts. respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 21:07:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E85C183475; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=bZko+cuIoHgbj+W9TQ6ZKqpTYXFht8KVe/4TXDJSrZ8=; b=XkXaJ9DFzcPKF1ux4W1J6uLFvPJ4P6ZvctZjiTh7ze7c238XhGF5cAUNCwq5zkgRIe 2VKWU8yq9z9Oz84MwpwPG7AVWqiUbVUwFKXxz0GlOOMoO90JLoDfm2TxnxIdjz1vSz5H 4wQ+bx4PeQFCujv9oHxoU29eoh2DMsVKMfYmA= Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? References: From: F_Anile Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5E12C689-BAF8-4256-BBA9-DC7F67B98DF7 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:07:53 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:07:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5E12C689-BAF8-4256-BBA9-DC7F67B98DF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Mark, I did not read all the posts, so I may be' redundant... I did worked on soundtracks from time to time and what I do is working with p= an to get a good sound environment. Then - and this is the magic part - I wo= rk a lot with dynamics (crescendo and diminuendo, staccato and stuff like th= at) I do that part by part, focusing, whil listening, on the whole thing: I list= en to the mix and when I'm happy with the result, I take a break for 2-3 day= s. Then I listen to it again and I find something to adjust in the mix. It's like making a sculputure: let your emotions being captured by the whole= composition and focus your rational mind on details and adjust them accordi= ng to your taste. Do that again, till you get happy with every single detail. Then add just a bit of compression to the final mix. My devaluated 2 euro cents :-) -Fabio=20 www.eterogeneo.com Il giorno 12/feb/2012, alle ore 11:32, mark francombe ha scritto: > No looping content hence OT. (there IS some looping in the music Im discus= sing, but thats not to point. >=20 > Background: I am in the middle of producing my first "proper" film score. (= Scoring music for short corporate films is my day-job, but this is ART!) Not= a big production (ok a very small production, in France) so no budget foe c= alling int some professionals. >=20 > I am pretty happy (musically) with the score so far. And prettu happy with= the sound choices and sampling I have done. Its mostly orchestral in genre= , but quite minimal, with a few uses of unusual instruments, to weird it up a= bit. >=20 > My question regards the final stages I am approaching now. In order to giv= e it a "live" feel or less programmed feel, both in terms of final programmi= ng tweaks and eq/effects tweak. What Hits or Tricks would some of you Prs us= e.. I know some of you are either extremely advanced in recording techinique= s (per etc, who I would like to thank for almost 24 hour email service when I= ve been stuck with things.) or professional composers (Daniel Im thinking of= here now.. I think.. terrible with names). >=20 > Things I doing right ..: > 1. tweaking attack times on strings... the first attack of a legato sectio= n can be a long attack but sounds more natural on follow up notes to have li= ttle or no attack. > 2. Moving "top" lines of string sections to be there own solo instruments,= the string parts were all written with a generic ensemble patch, but its be= tter to move the highest musical melody line to a solo viola or solo violin p= atch. > 3. indivisually increasing amounts of velocity of notes. > 4. My sample allows for slight random variations in pitch and volume (pitc= h can get a bit far out, but is ok in sections) >=20 > Any more "live making" techniques? >=20 > The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an engineer f= or) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well together, I exp= ect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low in the mix ofr my ta= stes, and often what tends to happen with my mixes, is that one hears ONE in= strument stick out above the films mix. Do I REALLY want to slap a big old c= ompressor on the end.. It ruins the mix for me! And the music sounds good lo= ud.. how can I avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its This problem, t= hat (if im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park yet ) can make a g= ood piece of music start sounding all er.. "General Midi- ish" >=20 > Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, just o= ne short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one Hall reverb to= emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. Is this the right ap= proach? >=20 > Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a professionals trick Im mi= ssing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the whole mix at= 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub? >=20 > Its very hard to guage, the film dialog mix is terrible at the moment, all= different levels (even jumps from left to right haa ha.. with lots of backg= round noise (wind in trees mostly)=20 >=20 > The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang live o= n set... yikes.. no click track microphone walked all the way around her fol= lowing the camera... think Im gonna have to go to Paris and get her to dub i= t. >=20 > All hints n tips will be very much appreciated.. >=20 > MArk >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-5E12C689-BAF8-4256-BBA9-DC7F67B98DF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi Mark,
I did n= ot read all the posts, so I may be' redundant...
I did worked on s= oundtracks from time to time and what I do is working with pan to get a good= sound environment. Then - and this is the magic part - I work a lot with dy= namics (crescendo and diminuendo, staccato and stuff like that)
I d= o that part by part, focusing, whil listening, on the whole thing: I listen t= o the mix and when I'm happy with the result, I take a break for 2-3 days.
Then I listen to it again and I find something to adjust in the mix= .
It's like making a sculputure: let your emotions being captured b= y the whole composition and focus your rational mind on details and adjust t= hem according to your taste.
Do that again, till you get happy wit= h every single detail.
Then add just a bit of compression to the f= inal mix.

My devaluated 2 euro cents :-)
=

-Fabio 






Il giorno 12/feb/2012, alle ore 11:32, mark fra= ncombe <mark@markfrancombe.com<= /a>> ha scritto:

N= o looping content hence OT. (there IS some looping in the music Im discussin= g, but thats not to point.

Background: I am in the middle of producin= g my first "proper" film score. (Scoring music for short corporate films is m= y day-job, but this is ART!) Not a big production (ok a very small productio= n, in France) so no budget foe calling int some professionals.

I am pretty happy (musically) with the score so far. And prettu happy wi= th the sound choices and sampling I have done. Its mostly orchestral in = ; genre, but quite minimal, with a few uses of unusual instruments, to weird= it up a bit.

My question regards the final stages I am approaching now. In order to g= ive it a "live" feel or less programmed feel, both in terms of final program= ming tweaks and eq/effects tweak. What Hits or Tricks would some of you Prs u= se.. I know some of you are either extremely advanced in recording techiniqu= es (per etc, who I would like to thank for almost 24 hour email service when= Ive been stuck with things.) or professional composers (Daniel Im thinking o= f here now.. I think.. terrible with names).

Things I doing right  ..:
1. tweaking attack times on strings...= the first attack of a legato section can be a long attack but sounds more n= atural on follow up notes to have little or no attack.
2. Moving "top" li= nes of string sections to be there own solo instruments, the string parts we= re all written with a generic ensemble patch, but its better to move the hig= hest musical melody line to a solo viola or solo violin patch.
3. indivisually increasing amounts of velocity of notes.
4. My sample all= ows for slight random variations in pitch and volume (pitch can get a bit fa= r out, but is ok in sections)

Any more "live making" techniques?

The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an engineer= for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well together, I e= xpect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low in the mix ofr my t= astes, and often what tends to happen with my mixes, is that one hears ONE i= nstrument stick out above the films mix. Do I REALLY want to slap a big old c= ompressor on the end.. It ruins the mix for me! And the music sounds good lo= ud.. how can I avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its This problem, t= hat (if im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park yet ) can make a g= ood piece of music start sounding all  er.. "General Midi- ish"

Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, jus= t one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one Hall reverb= to emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. Is this the right= approach?

Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a  professionals tric= k Im missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the whole= mix at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub?

Its very hard to guage, t= he film dialog mix is terrible at the moment, all different levels (even jum= ps from left to right haa ha.. with lots of background noise (wind in trees m= ostly)

The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang liv= e on set... yikes.. no click track microphone walked all the way around her f= ollowing the camera... think Im gonna have to go to Paris and get her to dub= it.

All hints n tips will be very much appreciated..

MArk

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

= --Apple-Mail-5E12C689-BAF8-4256-BBA9-DC7F67B98DF7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 21:18:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB12B183477; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4dhoDKfBEKz3Wb26ScF5ahpCIT0jP10CsJ1entq6bNA=; b=CSE/hnescZ0GTbNVB92r5N1Te/FiQWS+eM76q+89RA+eiwvFpnMFZ2HWcpM/aoqtTo xrpAlakg2Owb2B4E2ecKFGf0OEMluOnp8J2Ch0w+NDOhFELtQaS2MknMJ2Jjm/bkFuwV zY4RkPNLyZKr5Zw8PNvOS4TB1zzmo1/P0v9JI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:18:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Don't know about "based on" but historically all this points back at Alan Blumlein's work in the thirties. I guess you could see the signal routing I described as an inline version of a Blumlein matrix for recording with microphones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphone_practice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Blumlein Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Per, isn't this technique based on the mid-side (MS) recording method? > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Yes, that's correctly understood. In the first post I actually left >> out the last note, that the mix will become left-right reversed. If >> you care about that you could reverse it back to the original. It's >> not such a complex routing and the step for step instruction is all in >> my first post. But please note that it is a classic mastering >> technique for stereo format. Not a recommendation for mixing film >> music ;-) =C2=A0It can be used to optimize experienced detail resolution >> and to achieve mono compatibility in a stereo master. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:33 PM, andy butler wr= ote: >>> Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Here's what you do in detail by a more technical description: >>>> >>>> Ch A: Reverse stereo channels. Ch B: Invert phase. Now, when two >>>> channels of reversed phase play back through the same playback channel >>>> they nullify each other and the sum is silence. BUT here we made one >>>> of them stereo reversed, which means that only the audio that is mono >>>> - i.e. middle of stereo image - becomes nullified. Merging A + B gives >>>> us a "hole in the middle" stereo image. The deepness of the black hole >>>> and the width of the experienced stereo field depends on how you set >>>> the levels of these two stereo busses. My finding is that 1 dB lower >>>> for the phase inverted Ch B works best for the music I do (-1 dB that >>>> is). Now enter Ch C, the "monofied" split, and fill up that hole in >>>> the middle with this one. If the orignal mix is good this should stay >>>> at 0 dB as Ch A. >>> >>> >>> >>> So all of the trick is to make you hear the mix >>> differently. >>> >>> There's no way to get the original mix back with that combination. >>> >>> It's almost an implementation of a regular "shuffler", but weirded up: >>> >>> adding A and B equally gives you the classic "sides" signal, ready to m= ix >>> with the mono "center"...except that the whole result is now L<>R >>> reversed. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> well, if it works......it's good >>> >>> >>> andy >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 21:26:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCA35183464; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=yyv0AjuyHBJnwPXgkHVGfYzAyOxJHhR4YLVe1unFDIY=; b=H7i2peJ5197cNncRqtXuffKN5yHqYz+LNNHNM1LbHjGpWuzlGJHEHsM3oijM+VHYD2 p2FqqkeMmlQVo1O5pMo8gYBm5xSejjJTuMU9vwEpJvum/G7uczwUKn8C7/k44UTvxVAk BTR8czyJI1bmFDbukHchrsHtksispA7+nA6s8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:26:26 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Bo3U_0JEYM2spJ7ktRuDU--q0Cg Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering of film score....hints? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c6497b41a7704b8df22b8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:26:47 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c6497b41a7704b8df22b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fantastic Fabio. I love this list.. And what I love is that quite often I discover that I am doing it all right anyway!! Everything all of you are saying is basically what I AM doing... I am a professional composer in my day job too, (50/50 filmmaker) so I guess I should trust myself more.. Except its quite a big difference between SCENE 1: The Devil persuades the Poor Miller to give him whatever is on the far side of his mill, in exchange for unfathomed riches. (Time to complete "As long as you need Mark, this is Art") Or SCENE 1: Host: "Hello and welcome to Stat-Oils Human Resource Management Course, Understanding Due Diligence." (Time to complete "Music..? Oh, OK YES well have music, can we have it this afternoon?) See what I mean? Mark On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:07 PM, F_Anile wrote: > Hi Mark, > I did not read all the posts, so I may be' redundant... > I did worked on soundtracks from time to time and what I do is working > with pan to get a good sound environment. Then - and this is the magic part > - I work a lot with dynamics (crescendo and diminuendo, staccato and stuff > like that) > I do that part by part, focusing, whil listening, on the whole thing: I > listen to the mix and when I'm happy with the result, I take a break for > 2-3 days. > Then I listen to it again and I find something to adjust in the mix. > It's like making a sculputure: let your emotions being captured by the > whole composition and focus your rational mind on details and adjust them > according to your taste. > Do that again, till you get happy with every single detail. > Then add just a bit of compression to the final mix. > > My devaluated 2 euro cents :-) > > > -Fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > > > > > > Il giorno 12/feb/2012, alle ore 11:32, mark francombe < > mark@markfrancombe.com> ha scritto: > > No looping content hence OT. (there IS some looping in the music Im > discussing, but thats not to point. > > Background: I am in the middle of producing my first "proper" film score. > (Scoring music for short corporate films is my day-job, but this is ART!) > Not a big production (ok a very small production, in France) so no budget > foe calling int some professionals. > > I am pretty happy (musically) with the score so far. And prettu happy with > the sound choices and sampling I have done. Its mostly orchestral in > genre, but quite minimal, with a few uses of unusual instruments, to weird > it up a bit. > > My question regards the final stages I am approaching now. In order to > give it a "live" feel or less programmed feel, both in terms of final > programming tweaks and eq/effects tweak. What Hits or Tricks would some of > you Prs use.. I know some of you are either extremely advanced in recording > techiniques (per etc, who I would like to thank for almost 24 hour email > service when Ive been stuck with things.) or professional composers (Daniel > Im thinking of here now.. I think.. terrible with names). > > Things I doing right ..: > > 1. tweaking attack times on strings... the first attack of a legato > section can be a long attack but sounds more natural on follow up notes to > have little or no attack. > 2. Moving "top" lines of string sections to be there own solo instruments, > the string parts were all written with a generic ensemble patch, but its > better to move the highest musical melody line to a solo viola or solo > violin patch. > 3. indivisually increasing amounts of velocity of notes. > 4. My sample allows for slight random variations in pitch and volume > (pitch can get a bit far out, but is ok in sections) > > Any more "live making" techniques? > > The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an engineer > for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well together, I > expect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low in the mix ofr > my tastes, and often what tends to happen with my mixes, is that one hears > ONE instrument stick out above the films mix. Do I REALLY want to slap a > big old compressor on the end.. It ruins the mix for me! And the music > sounds good loud.. how can I avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its > This problem, that (if im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park > yet ) can make a good piece of music start sounding all er.. "General > Midi- ish" > > Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, just > one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one Hall reverb > to emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. Is this the right > approach? > > Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a professionals trick Im > missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the whole mix > at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub? > > Its very hard to guage, the film dialog mix is terrible at the moment, all > different levels (even jumps from left to right haa ha.. with lots of > background noise (wind in trees mostly) > > The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang live > on set... yikes.. no click track microphone walked all the way around her > following the camera... think Im gonna have to go to Paris and get her to > dub it. > > All hints n tips will be very much appreciated.. > > MArk > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c6497b41a7704b8df22b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fantastic Fabio.

I love this list..


And what I love is t= hat quite often I discover that I am doing it all right anyway!! Everything= all of you are saying is basically what I AM doing...
I am a professio= nal composer in my day job too, (50/50 filmmaker)=A0 so I guess I should tr= ust myself more..
Except its quite a big difference between

SCENE 1: The Devil persuad= es the Poor Miller to give him whatever is on the far side of his mill, in = exchange for unfathomed riches.
(Time to complete "As long as you n= eed Mark, this is Art")

Or

SCENE 1: Host: "Hello and welcome to Stat-Oils Human Res= ource Management Course, Understanding Due Diligence."
(Time to com= plete "Music..? Oh, OK YES well have music, can we have it this aftern= oon?)

See what I mean?

Mark





On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:07 PM, F_Anile <eterogenus@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Hi Mark,
=
I did not read all the posts, so I may be' redundant...
= I did worked on soundtracks from time to time and what I do is working with= pan to get a good sound environment. Then - and this is the magic part - I= work a lot with dynamics (crescendo and diminuendo, staccato and stuff lik= e that)
I do that part by part, focusing, whil listening, on the whole thing: = I listen to the mix and when I'm happy with the result, I take a break = for 2-3 days.
Then I listen to it again and I find something to a= djust in the mix.
It's like making a sculputure: let your emotions being captured by= the whole composition and focus your rational mind on details and adjust t= hem according to your taste.
Do that again, till you get happy wi= th every single detail.
Then add just a bit of compression to the final mix.

My devaluated 2 euro cents :-)


<= div>-Fabio=A0






Il giorno 12/= feb/2012, alle ore 11:32, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> ha scritto:
No lo= oping content hence OT. (there IS some looping in the music Im discussing, = but thats not to point.

Background: I am in the middle of producing = my first "proper" film score. (Scoring music for short corporate = films is my day-job, but this is ART!) Not a big production (ok a very smal= l production, in France) so no budget foe calling int some professionals.
I am pretty happy (musically) with the score so far. And prettu happy w= ith the sound choices and sampling I have done. Its mostly orchestral in=A0= genre, but quite minimal, with a few uses of unusual instruments, to weird= it up a bit.

My question regards the final stages I am approaching now. In order to = give it a "live" feel or less programmed feel, both in terms of f= inal programming tweaks and eq/effects tweak. What Hits or Tricks would som= e of you Prs use.. I know some of you are either extremely advanced in reco= rding techiniques (per etc, who I would like to thank for almost 24 hour em= ail service when Ive been stuck with things.) or professional composers (Da= niel Im thinking of here now.. I think.. terrible with names).

Things I doing right =A0..:

1. tweaking atta= ck times on strings... the first attack of a legato section can be a long a= ttack but sounds more natural on follow up notes to have little or no attac= k.
2. Moving "top" lines of string sections to be there own solo ins= truments, the string parts were all written with a generic ensemble patch, = but its better to move the highest musical melody line to a solo viola or s= olo violin patch.
3. indivisually increasing amounts of velocity of notes.
4. My sample al= lows for slight random variations in pitch and volume (pitch can get a bit = far out, but is ok in sections)

Any more "live making" tec= hniques?

The next process (that I am terrible at... always use to use an enginee= r for) is mixing.. I really want to make all the music sit well together, I= expect that the Film Director will drop the music VERY low in the mix ofr = my tastes, and often what tends to happen with my mixes, is that one hears = ONE instrument stick out above the films mix. Do I REALLY want to slap a bi= g old compressor on the end.. It ruins the mix for me! And the music sounds= good loud.. how can I avoid this instrument seperation... I feel its This = problem, that (if im not careful, I dont think Im in this ball park yet ) c= an make a good piece of music start sounding all=A0 er.. "General Midi= - ish"

Reverb?? I usually like to use as few different reverbs as possible, ju= st one short one, for increasing the size of instruments, and one Hall reve= rb to emulate that all the instruments are in the same room. Is this the ri= ght approach?

Any other tips of tricks.. ( feel like theres a=A0 professionals trick = Im missing here) Like someone with say " Well Mark, you HAVE cut the w= hole mix at 1k havent you? and boosted the Sub?

Its very hard to gua= ge, the film dialog mix is terrible at the moment, all different levels (ev= en jumps from left to right haa ha.. with lots of background noise (wind in= trees mostly)

The final job is to score music ontop of a song that an actress sang li= ve on set... yikes.. no click track microphone walked all the way around he= r following the camera... think Im gonna have to go to Paris and get her to= dub it.

All hints n tips will be very much appreciated..

MArk

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d042c6497b41a7704b8df22b8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 09:59:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 164D0183463; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 732298015/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAAcwOk9YbRzS/2dsb2JhbAAMN7MlAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwXOLWQwaIQECBwMGBQcGAwMFAR0DAoNzCB8CO4MdBJp5jR0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,416,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="732298015" Message-ID: <4F3A306D.5000508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:59:09 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering Stereo Width References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Ricky Graham wrote: > Per, isn't this technique based on the mid-side (MS) recording method? It's based on a standard circuit called a "shuffler", a simple matrix to convert fron Left<>Right stereo to Mid<>Side and back again. roughly:- M = L+R S = L-R giving you a mono signal plus "sides" (equivalent to a MS recording) then to convert back L = M+S R = M-S This way it's simple to see that if you vary the amplitude of S you can mess with the stereo width from 0 to regular to "enhanced". Also you get a chance to process the S in other ways if you like. The reason Per's process seems more complicated is that a) It's meant to work within the limited routing capabilities of a DAW. b) er...I dunnow really...Per's version seems to be more a way of making you listen harder. I wonder if the flipping of left and right corresponds to the change from player to listener. ...but essentially it's the same trick, and it *does* keep mono compatibility. To make a regular shuffler in a DAW by a similar process to Per's (and this is something I've learned from the discussion here) Create 3 versions of the mix (2 channel) A unchanged B reverse channels L<>R and invert both C mono on both channels Next mix A and B equally, to give you the "sides" channel. (that's different to Per's approach) Now starting from C and mixing in the "sides" channel you get a shuffler, exactly the same as varying the amplitude of S. Again you have the chance to to do stuff with that A+B mix, for instance if you were mixing for vinyl you'd maybe cut the bass on it. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 10:13:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3D80183463; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JQzIGy87CADHjabFD2yk+/n/zr3jUGolSBDrJJxuw1E=; b=hOvdTJ2ds9r6+hTsiTJRrdaEOBuyOaHj5piopt6PoqkBO9uqa/fqblqPW0rwfNldXD rPsqNjKBXH3ajvotf64yRFA7bPeVI0sdGzEBGaYsqlAKKKR0DnbMOHDvdVKuyNN4+c8h cwD24Mok5/jc8TQyMnwDtlLxLeGhPHjjyuz9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F3A306D.5000508@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> <4F3A306D.5000508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:13:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering Stereo Width From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:13:37 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:59 AM, andy butler wrot= e: > To make a regular shuffler in a DAW by a similar process > to Per's (and this is something I've learned from the discussion here) > > Create 3 versions of the mix (2 channel) > > A =C2=A0unchanged > B =C2=A0reverse channels L<>R and invert both > C =C2=A0mono on both channels Very interesting, but I would say this is the same process I described. Because summing A-B-C gives exactly the same result. Mine was: A invert both B reverse channels L<>R C mono on both channels As we see here the only "difference" is that I do the phase inversion on B instead of A. But since A +B is merged anyway, and then merged with C I see it as the very same processing. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 11:24:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F3E118345E; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 723191143/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAPxDOk9YbRzS/2dsb2JhbAAMN4UQrgUBAQEDASMVQAYLCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRkDAYd4p3ySGYEvii8EBwsFCxYHAQIHAwsDBQUDAwUBHQMCg3MIHwITAyWCB4EWBJp5jR0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,416,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="723191143" Message-ID: <4F3A4468.3080802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:24:24 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering Stereo Width References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> <4F3A306D.5000508@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:59 AM, andy butler wrote: >> To make a regular shuffler in a DAW by a similar process >> to Per's (and this is something I've learned from the discussion here) >> >> Create 3 versions of the mix (2 channel) >> >> A unchanged >> B reverse channels L<>R and invert both >> C mono on both channels > > > Very interesting, but I would say this is the same process I > described. >Because summing A-B-C gives exactly the same result. difference 1 your resulting mix has swapped channels because you invert A instead of B > Mine > was: > > A invert both > B reverse channels L<>R > C mono on both channels difference 2 (both methods have further steps not detailed here) you aren't defining that A and B should be mixed equally, that's important for creating what the user perceives unambiguously as a width control. (which I assume *isn't* what you want to do) I guess your method works best for you, not suggesting you should change it. ...but I've no idea where it came from ;-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 11:37:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 620E0183461; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a0gy/2vNVBDAfXuT0sVIoe/pOM7S4kKtUfqW/5kGihk=; b=s4YTJOblGdRaA/C1T4cfmveKN/ujscKsY/3zt6eRRLGd1jBcyETm7QZXiPHpK3y/q4 3aBJEDVY+KcJcq7EXrWWZyVxh5xMlOSgp1pe/axnAbFp9zA2sYiGr1onnl0gmR6mWzPl W6/U9QepXO09YGJBR3GvIq5grH2mr7MOVT1Gc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F3A4468.3080802@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> <4F3A306D.5000508@tiscali.co.uk> <4F3A4468.3080802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:37:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: final mixing and mastering Stereo Width From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:37:37 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM, andy butler wrot= e: > difference 1 > > your resulting mix has swapped channels because you invert A > =C2=A0instead of B THat's right but I don't regard it a difference since it just a normal routine to swap it back with a L<>R fix on the summing master. > >> Mine >> was: >> >> A invert both >> B reverse channels L<>R >> C mono on both channels > > > > difference 2 > (both methods have further steps not detailed here) > > you aren't defining that A and B should be mixed equally, that's =C2=A0 i= mportant > for creating what the user perceives unambiguously > =C2=A0 as a width control. (which I assume *isn't* what you want to do) Actually they can't! I was a defining that the the phase reversing channel has to be a little lower in level. That is to avoid a total "hole in the middle" effect. But matching it all is up to the user to do by ear and to fit the musical situation. > I guess your method works best for you, > not suggesting you should change it. > ...but I've no idea where it came from ;-) Alan Blumlein originally I would guess, although he was working with microphones and got kicked into it by cinema theater sound. I first heard about this routing from a studio engineer, then I tried it out of curiosity and found it useful in some situations. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 12:51:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C6AE18345C; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 729824622/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAKtXOk9YbRzS/2dsb2JhbAAMOIUUrgYBAQEDASMVQAYLCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBh3gJqnGKMYEviiYEBQMBBAUHAgUHFgQHAQIHAwsDBQUDAwUBHQMCg3MIJwYDCAoGFIIHgRYEmnmNHQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,416,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="729824622" Message-ID: <4F3A58CB.5030108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:23 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: final mixing Stereo Width- link to article References: <4F382FED.5020806@cruzio.com> <4F38CEF2.4030107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F39496E.2040408@tiscali.co.uk> <4F3A306D.5000508@tiscali.co.uk> <4F3A4468.3080802@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:21 +0000 (UTC) > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM, andy butler >> your resulting mix has swapped channels because you invert A >> instead of B Per Boysen wrote: > THat's right but I don't regard it a difference since it just a normal > routine to swap it back with a L<>R fix on the summing master. I thought you were doing that deliberately. I'm kind of fixed on having hi hat on the left, and high piano notes on the right...which makes no particular sense. >> >> you aren't defining that A and B should be mixed equally, that's important >> for creating what the user perceives unambiguously >> as a width control. (which I assume *isn't* what you want to do) > > Actually they can't! I was a defining that the the phase reversing > channel has to be a little lower in level. That is to avoid a total > "hole in the middle" effect. But matching it all is up to the user to > do by ear and to fit the musical situation. Right, with a shuffler the "hole in the middle" is exactly what's required. Then the user has a fader on the A+B which become "width". Obviously if you're going to do stuff like mix bass to center for vinyl (hi-pass on the "sides") you need that complete cancellation. > >> I guess your method works best for you, >> not suggesting you should change it. >> ...but I've no idea where it came from ;-) > > Alan Blumlein originally I would guess, ..but your variant? ..guess that's down to your own creativity, I certainly don't mean to say that it's "incorrect" in any way. Here's an article including a pic of Blumlein, and some interesting techniques. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov10/articles/stereoprocessing.htm andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 18:36:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4C21183473; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+0SaAcT3PHdi4DDWy8dRpba1N0lJcXYd7ApBHevf1b0=; b=xL3iRK9sDxHZ+kGYIcZ7SMM1+ia2RK2ScCd5kxqNziOY0YO+PiZErLvsyAuzfwGc4m qNqCTdYfp1Tw7lXYGzFSWdIRyFp+B+qalgBHoGk3LYXIOyY998NM1xJKpOkkxunCI4xN 8QpEle6ztLNl7+9Ap/K+U8mil6kmYJLn/VzqQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:36:57 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Reading other threads From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22c62f477bae04b8f0e1c1 Resent-Message-ID: <-dDN6B.A.n5H.LnqOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:36:59 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22c62f477bae04b8f0e1c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm just curious, how often do you guys actually read threads? I usually dont know what anyone is talking about and Im always in a hurry so it's pretty rare for me haha. --e89a8f22c62f477bae04b8f0e1c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

I'm just curious, how often do you guys actually read threads? I usually dont know what anyone is talking about and Im always in a hurry so it's pretty rare for me haha.

--e89a8f22c62f477bae04b8f0e1c1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 18:50:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3169D183466; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Reading other threads References: From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-898370734 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <79A110F5-FA23-48BE-A474-62B17C570060@orange.fr> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:49:45 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:50:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-898370734 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sometimes I get hooked is something relevant to what I zm doing.., Antony Hequet Poet composer On 14 f=C3=A9vr. 2012, at 19:36, "kay'lon rushing" wrote:= > I'm just curious, how often do you guys actually read threads? I usually d= ont know what anyone is talking about and Im always in a hurry so it's prett= y rare for me haha. --Apple-Mail-4-898370734 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Sometimes I get hooked is something rel= evant to what I zm doing..,

Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 14 f=C3=A9vr. 2012, at 19:36, "kay'lon rushing" <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

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I'm just curious, how often do you g= uys actually read threads? I usually dont know what anyone is talking about a= nd Im always in a hurry so it's pretty rare for me haha.

= --Apple-Mail-4-898370734-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 18:52:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 984AF183474; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:52:51 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0391638678==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120214184436.8972.42510.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:44:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Reading other threads Resent-Message-ID: <1bQwk.A.10.D2qOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0391638678== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It=20dependson=20if=20I=20know=20what=20the=20user=20is=20talking=20about.= =20For=20example,=20if=20I=20saw=20a=20thread=20called=20 "Tape=20Loops",=20I=20would=20read=20it,=20because=20I'm=20trying=20to=20le= arn=20all=20about=20tape=20loops.=20But,=20if=20it's=20the=20 name=20of=20some=20really=20high-tech=20equipment,=20depending=20on=20if=20= I=20know=20about=20it=20or=20not,=20that's=20how=20I'd=20judge=20it. Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2014=20Feb=202012=2010:36:57=20-0800,=20kay'lon=20rushing=20wrote: >I'm=20just=20curious,=20how=20often=20do=20you=20guys=20actually=20read=20= threads?=20I=20usually=20dont=20 >know=20what=20anyone=20is=20talking=20about=20and=20Im=20always=20in=20a= =20hurry=20so=20it's=20pretty=20rare=20 >for=20me=20haha. --===============0391638678==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 18:56:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E2A9183464; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=I+60pe2W+pTgf+SkfNB1ONL4XCw8KwalsaysCjfHESY=; b=IBvqT7Zc/aCEs5rtOK9mUaiHPMYfTpHf3zRoOkcSMnTmtclOQ11PiYs0Vp7FH140y+ 8ogWFUKBVHRE9SGi/6zJSShjkSqkM0xjtML4lhJZ6NXYB+CVaSpNJo3tZcTTS7byW3nu nufBohj+UrzDAII1fSrpp0qd1BiAeJtmozs9w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:56:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <2NHPuD.A.3EB.h5qOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:56:33 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:36 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I'm just curious, how often do you guys actually read threads? I usually > dont know what anyone is talking about and Im always in a hurry so it's > pretty rare for me haha. I only read in accordance with threads. But I only follow a few threads. Gmail makes that easy by sorting mails into threads. With most list mails I just go "shift-j-j-j-j..." to select the unwanted and then I hit the delete button. For threads that interest me I hit Return and it comes up with all new posts I have not yet read displayed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 19:00:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 372C0183465; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=i14og6wzI1CvLXOIJlcO2z/IQVRu8pQAPT3OY1MdNss=; b=JeCLmRjp399He82mL4BkcClfnO/lsxsFEQPYddnPpCtcqyIeo9Xy20H2ZRsYqicG0B V8h87o47dHnaRiwcissC9iye2WuFlPVJV0tUy1uEzCRGnTHTuCI8ow8nO56YNn2gpJ7C sH4/WYs7QquZMqHyNCmL6Vj85+Q0gU9mt6C2A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:00:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:00:30 +0000 (UTC) I read about 1 in 4 threads. I think trying to follow all the threads would be like trying to follow every conversation at a party. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt kay'lon rushing was like: > I'm just curious, how often do you guys actually read threads? I usually > dont know what anyone is talking about and Im always in a hurry so it's > pretty rare for me haha. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 19:04:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18D99183465; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-14_04:2012-02-14,2012-02-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202140183 Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:04:06 -0800 Message-id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <7Fb56.A.KYB.pArOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:04:10 +0000 (UTC) I read this thread! I read the ones that are close to my own interest. The technical threads I archive and search them for insights before posting new questions to the group. The more emotive subjects-- like the recent performance jitters related thread-- often keep me sitting on the edge of my seat. Its a good group of creative thinkers. Thread on! Daniel On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I read about 1 in 4 threads. I think trying to follow all the threads > would be like trying to follow every conversation at a party. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > kay'lon rushing was like: >> I'm just curious, how often do you guys actually read threads? I usually >> dont know what anyone is talking about and Im always in a hurry so it's >> pretty rare for me haha. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 19:35:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD48D183463; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=sm91OOKcAiMq2zWxAyVxBBg/zqGEiH5fEsJGOGI8sn4=; b=GCqQ3yjpDIjkAJHjmPIMM9+zq4/3JSDG3ImwrOCi7V5VwARBT5SMfE64+ZIgTisuhw Yp8e+q4tHEN0e4Lu3CrU1y1hkLlHycohMh+Qa3h+SUVyp6GJLvK/Z52tXiIpW7H3/375 i791Rxi42d4LaZumRAgmQ3hFOD3QMTvoiY9Ak= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:35:37 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1VTMyqBcI6zHZ-T91rWPRiSxBrM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d6463b29c804b8f1b4d0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d6463b29c804b8f1b4d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you are asking How do you choose which threads to read. I never read about gear I dont own, Im very rarely in the market for new gear, no money, so I dont want to make it worse buy lusting after stuff I cant afford, I DO read all philosophical mails, and all technique mails. I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... (I think the OT threads at LD are often very inspiring.. its like .. "I know we are simerlar in musical tech sense, but how close are we on other ways?" I think is facinating how close and how incredibly far apart we can be, and yet still have good understanding.. Its the Loop man... If you are asking HOW do you read a thread, when there are so many mails, and they come all jumbled up and theres to much to read and cant remeber the subjects.... Then.. Same as Per.. GMAIL MAN... If you are NOT using a mail system that does threading for you, that.. really... UNSUBSCRIBE NOW.. I dont know how you do it.. you are my hero! I think probably everyone MUST be reading on threaded email clients.. I have to say that I couldnt use the excuse for a mail client that came with my mac (is is simply called MAIL?) It tried to thread mails, but in the most unattractive and complex way, I couldnt do it... GMAIL for me is the only thing, and Now I have my .. um.. is it really TEN different mail accounts ALL POINTING TO GMAIL.. where I pick them all up in the same place. the only exception is my WORK mail, that I use a seperate GMAIL account for.. but still gmail... Thats cos I dont wanna see work related mails at home. Wow that was a scrawl.. never been one for hitting reply and writing "I Agree!" But I could have said. If it interests me & Gmail Peace Out Mark On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:36 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I'm just curious, how often do you guys actually read threads? I usually > dont know what anyone is talking about and Im always in a hurry so it's > pretty rare for me haha. > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d6463b29c804b8f1b4d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you are asking How do you choose which threads to read. I never read abo= ut gear I dont own, Im very rarely in the market for new gear, no money, so= I dont want to make it worse buy lusting after stuff I cant afford, I DO r= ead all philosophical mails, and all technique mails. I ALWAYS ALWAYS read = OT mails... (I think the OT threads at LD are often very inspiring.. its li= ke .. "I know we are simerlar in musical tech sense, but how close are= we on other ways?" I think is facinating how close and how incredibly= far apart we can be, and yet still have good understanding.. Its the Loop = man...

If you are asking HOW do you read a thread, when there are so many mail= s, and they come all jumbled up and theres to much to read and cant remeber= the subjects.... Then.. Same as Per.. GMAIL MAN... If you are NOT using a = mail system that does threading for you, that.. really... UNSUBSCRIBE NOW..= I dont know how you do it.. you are my hero!
I think probably everyone MUST be reading on threaded email clients.. I hav= e to say that I couldnt use the excuse for a mail client that came with my = mac (is is simply called MAIL?) It tried to thread mails, but in the most u= nattractive and complex way, I couldnt do it... GMAIL for me is the only th= ing, and Now I have my .. um.. is it really TEN different mail accounts ALL= POINTING TO GMAIL.. where I pick them all up in the same place. the only e= xception is my WORK mail, that I use a seperate GMAIL account for.. but sti= ll gmail... Thats cos I dont wanna see work related mails at home.

Wow that was a scrawl.. never been one for hitting reply and writing &q= uot;I Agree!"

But I could have said.

If it interests me<= br>&
Gmail

Peace Out

Mark


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:36 PM, kay'lon rushing <= k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>

I'm just curious, how often do you guys actually read threads? I usu= ally dont know what anyone is talking about and Im always in a hurry so it&= #39;s pretty rare for me haha.




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--bcaec554d6463b29c804b8f1b4d0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 19:43:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0947B183464; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yJ+swCyHKWaTXiGaLsOEf02Go91nKXbaCNaSNFHj1DQ=; b=ZaeLLLLjPR5hS5xsqHGuzsz6xJTXJ2YRLuE7FY4wZLFjBwulb85UbEn38YUAlbwSNv Vqx/ZYjq6+HryhyEwn98xctBARxB1gWlMl2k8YVu/dQyfaHVpp8xIjWVfn0UqEAKVh28 /xuo8/C7k9NRJkJLLQvFOM/+Tf5SnpY/sesow= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:43:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:43:46 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the discussion ;-)) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 19:44:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F79D183463; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=WkFOxlp21FL4mPVCKWitcM8PDgtSfPElpt+JMl5CxdE=; b=txpEv4rx+TQ5VuLiEOM9RrTRgsMbYHf9WtbYDkJaMtCrRaTHtmAKD50VUY9iRx8LO3 Yk+uT8ymM6O27vq3PunBb5B1eJQf8xWkEFQZE7k/SSJBCVAK612/slghfsHU9q5tX7I9 +WCrtPAD5ZRda15derQLbrNFTjTFU2gu9RcHw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:44:25 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: llIplOb3TdWFwER9NP66Oq4Pq8Q Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d646b42c6704b8f1d3a0 Resent-Message-ID: <_tvsAD.A.WSC.umrOPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:44:46 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d646b42c6704b8f1d3a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I Agree! Mark On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... > > Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on > this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the > discussion ;-)) > > Per > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d646b42c6704b8f1d3a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I Agree!

Mark



On Tue, Feb = 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:<= br> > I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails...

Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the
discussion ;-))

Per




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--bcaec554d646b42c6704b8f1d3a0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 19:48:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BFCF183465; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RTaMlJvmdn8pkB+RRrIqbq96yOCSJ1CGdbkI2lvn9sc=; b=TWKlB2AhJ9V4yqp97Ery+O1ndR+uR8IC9Eyo9ay/40Umn5m/0QZ1kXrc2ZrVgCshnP iyqrha9ufIkoUXQfy6mUcAbOTEAxoLjLHRPhVUomfjIq2NwaAeZxl6D1VY5OeSRH4teg JwPc48xt8mOLRlTx7IHC3QHqwCIbduybTJpy4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:48:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:48:41 +0000 (UTC) LOL! On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I Agree! > > Mark > > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... >> >> Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on >> this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the >> discussion ;-)) >> >> Per >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 19:50:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E258183465; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=NIsIMqUthbTXRTGA88htGqKSjVtRtUw2f6tiMWV5H98=; b=k7ekMWqzHPtMM/UAJPLwQEKHgLXOo3x5cR8eCQy89xMYZlAK7f04JzykYMKNM7RTtI BqRCpj99T0Uh91V3h9Koqa7OAoJwOpj1P8xL/I3c87CNmoYTaakrVYAFuXQxZdzHsO2d ZAcDONXSjAf03vTzzZEpDmVKCw3IFifPfBD2k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:49:45 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: X-Mx428VtRKLGl892BdUCG3je50 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Happy Valentines day Everyone.. To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d664c6e91904b8f1e611 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:50:06 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d664c6e91904b8f1e611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh well, better pop off and bonk the wife... god is it that time of year again? Life sure is a loop aint it... m.xxx -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d664c6e91904b8f1e611 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh well, better pop off and bonk the wife... god is it that time of year ag= ain? Life sure is a loop aint it...

m.xxx

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--bcaec554d664c6e91904b8f1e611-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 19:58:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 747B3183463; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=JYEQDppQ3meWb/UuTs4ISLzeMkQCavU45AP0YN33RF0=; b=PmocrOyWSOtkNjwEazrwuvMHRmbbTAUL4RDtS0Qj5+PRWl/hT0N3tIPhBINHj7OlO4 zglIF8Aro3aWGnKTQp+zYYTDld3Lm5kALJaCUMJFaLdx/ELCP0292tz773+pgPaq1wfu sdSmKAdpkvCXg9WMjA7682NyOlOYE6d0sA6S0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:58:15 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: M6fxyNYmRFdY1BoFhk9sjWbDyHk Message-ID: Subject: OT: Was Re: Reading other threads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22beef2c0e3604b8f205e0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:58:36 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22beef2c0e3604b8f205e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Did you LOL ? really, I never LOL.. By the way, cos of the clever threading thing of Gmail, you should be careful not to change the subject heading, because then you derail a thread for us and the conversation then continues in two places... So remember DONT CHANGE THE SUBJECT FOR A THREAD! BUT If the subject changes, then DO change the subject.. so that the original thread can stay focused.. By way, does anyone have the recipe for Health Tonics in Skyrim? I really need to start making my own, its all getting to expensive and too high level! Mark On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > LOL! > > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > I Agree! > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe > > >> wrote: > >> > I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... > >> > >> Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on > >> this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the > >> discussion ;-)) > >> > >> Per > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f22beef2c0e3604b8f205e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you LOL ? really, I never LOL.. By the way, cos of the clever threading= thing of Gmail, you should be careful not to change the subject heading, b= ecause then you derail a thread for us and the conversation then continues = in two places...

So remember DONT CHANGE THE SUBJECT FOR A THREAD!
BUT If the subject= changes, then DO change the subject.. so that the original thread can stay= focused..

By way, does anyone have the recipe for Health Tonics in = Skyrim? I really need to start making my own, its all getting to expensive = and too high level!

Mark

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:48 PM,= Per Boysen <pe= rboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL!



On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> I Agree!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails...
>>
>> Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on=
>> this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into = the
>> discussion ;-))
>>
>> Per
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




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= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--e89a8f22beef2c0e3604b8f205e0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:06:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A2EC183465; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=t8C6lThnVrB6mIkqi20q9e+1iIBAcPISSY4raPcZolM=; b=upar9Bpjp+W8LcX19eXH37ak5bcq09blgCkdaQIaVdlY7DY9bgSBKsub4O58bHGKkc PxT68+s03YetOGDmCg6H+kW1t1ocTV0M7VhDi7p92Fsdgq7kZC7FmJbgPF8opoQuQev4 +dmfar5Y4HfOtw8B6TgrLQUVUKoLikpjtB3S8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Was Re: Reading other threads From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2500e7c1d5f04b8f220c2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff2500e7c1d5f04b8f220c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark, you just need to start eating a bit of everything and jot down the effects otherwise you can read books and such. Or you can Google :) http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Potion_Recipes OT: does anyone here use the Eventide Space reverb pedal? Can it really be worth 500$$$ yikes! lol! j On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Did you LOL ? really, I never LOL.. By the way, cos of the clever > threading thing of Gmail, you should be careful not to change the subject > heading, because then you derail a thread for us and the conversation then > continues in two places... > > So remember DONT CHANGE THE SUBJECT FOR A THREAD! > BUT If the subject changes, then DO change the subject.. so that the > original thread can stay focused.. > > By way, does anyone have the recipe for Health Tonics in Skyrim? I really > need to start making my own, its all getting to expensive and too high > level! > > Mark > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> LOL! >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > --e89a8ff2500e7c1d5f04b8f220c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, you just need to start eating a bit of everything and jot down the ef= fects otherwise you can read books and such.
Or you can Google :) http://elderscrolls= .wikia.com/wiki/Potion_Recipes

OT: does anyone here use the Eventide Space reverb pedal? Can it really= be worth 500$$$ yikes!

lol!

j

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM, mark francombe <<= a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Did you LOL ? really, I never LOL.. By the w= ay, cos of the clever threading thing of Gmail, you should be careful not t= o change the subject heading, because then you derail a thread for us and t= he conversation then continues in two places...

So remember DONT CHANGE THE SUBJECT FOR A THREAD!
BUT If the subject= changes, then DO change the subject.. so that the original thread can stay= focused..

By way, does anyone have the recipe for Health Tonics in = Skyrim? I really need to start making my own, its all getting to expensive = and too high level!

Mark

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:48 PM,= Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL!






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--e89a8ff2500e7c1d5f04b8f220c2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 23:44:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F682183465; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=wCooY42XLLFmAnCkAyDoMXvfC3cvKJxnYzqIw1NyvCg=; b=EmuYMck5V7LFRnrDjj7Lm2eylXWjxnhpAi+Pt+ql3fEHp6XG5ZZ+aIg1NW6Mogx1dP FHZSyQJsfNX+MIOusrhGFA0gfyW0a3Qvmc/TeAIZxrE1GYGoNq9dmuIVExrsk9adaJAA V5x92DJ3zwhkp44YacplD6O0JO6hW7brelC0Q= Subject: Re: Reading other threads References: From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:45 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:44:52 +0000 (UTC) I wonder if its possible to make a thread that is 100% off topic with each p= ost Kaylon On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > LOL! >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe w= rote: >> I Agree! >>=20 >> Mark >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe = >>> wrote: >>>> I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... >>>=20 >>> Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on >>> this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the >>> discussion ;-)) >>>=20 >>> Per >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 00:37:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A709183473; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0391638678==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120215003702.11169.42510.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:37:03 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: any of you guys heard of Jason Derulo? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0391638678== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20loopers!=20I=20am=20curious=20if=20any=20of=20you=20are=20aware=20= of=20Jason=20Derulo.=20The=20reason=20I=20 mention=20his=20name=20on=20a=20looping=20message=20board=20is=20because=20= he=20did=20a=20remix=20of=20Imogen=20Heap's=20"Hide=20and=20 Seek."=20Derulo's=20version=20is=20called=20"Whatcha=20Say."=20In=20part=20= of=20the=20song,=20Imogen=20says=20"What=20 did=20she=20say?"=20In=20Derulo's=20version,=20he=20loops=20the=20"what"=20= part=20five=20times,=20so=20it=20sounds=20like=20 "what-what-what-what-what=20did=20she=20say?"=20I=20would=20like=20to=20rec= ommend=20this=20song=20to=20all=20loopers;=20it=20is=20one=20 of=20the=20looping=20key=20points=20in=20our=20history.=20The=20song=20came= =20out=20in=202009. Tyler=20Z --===============0391638678==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 07:22:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7075183465; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Reading other threads References: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:22:00 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Let's do it.=20 Antony Hequet Poet composer On 15 f=C3=A9vr. 2012, at 00:44, Gmail wrote: > I wonder if its possible to make a thread that is 100% off topic with each= post >=20 > Kaylon >=20 > On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 >> LOL! >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe w= rote: >>> I Agree! >>>=20 >>> Mark >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen wrote:= >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe >>>> wrote: >>>>> I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... >>>>=20 >>>> Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on >>>> this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the >>>> discussion ;-)) >>>>=20 >>>> Per >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Mark Francombe >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> http://www.looop.no >>> twitter @markfrancombe >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 08:21:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61374183473; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=h+jHMQ7afypmmyq3YGa3dcwdOpcCRmjSPu7AoGwpBHk=; b=h7Xk0C4mGveN9XGwgNbCt9GRaNRWoZUeGa2DxwtqKT1AH6GvN1PoEbPEcfLIuTnzrX MCD2lzsk6jzHFrhNZBSUzUdkVpjoLkk0AUUyG5Ewe+I7GOOvOpKCgzrAXHPx53gr+dk5 kvTnE54H0qnCUy+cC4WDW4n18pbUX0VrAa6TU= Message-ID: <4f3b6b01.5379440a.12e2.ffffde46@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:21:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:21:23 +0000 (UTC) But how? Think about it, if the goal of the thread is purposely to be off topic then doesnt that mean being off topic is the topic???? hahaha -----Original Message----- Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:22:26 pm To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: "Antony Hequet" Subject: Re: Reading other threads Let's do it. Antony Hequet Poet composer On 15 févr. 2012, at 00:44, Gmail wrote: > I wonder if its possible to make a thread that is 100% off topic with each post > > Kaylon > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> LOL! >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe wrote: >>> I Agree! >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe >>>> wrote: >>>>> I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... >>>> >>>> Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on >>>> this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the >>>> discussion ;-)) >>>> >>>> Per >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Francombe >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> http://www.looop.no >>> twit From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 08:21:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F71183465; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 423276.94433.bm@omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1329294102; bh=5mEXePZyZ+T55NA14TbjXKgpdptmxF4C2HRUa7SV0i8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=mW5djozD3Aw2FV6mdEInVepjwNvoBFntsDHp3AhpSQ10pp3y0qtGtH3uO34sQ44ejSvot2jbUJRQl1quXbSM0HriJd4dKF12OyaEzyq/j+aas677iPYVpAPs+Umv5DKC1mOhGp1ahr05aXsYjNik4O6uYQc1dWZGWgy/oqcaht8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 0D5immsVM1kJ9gqSa8e.xVG52_PsIJRafweM6EQa_56RW9T 58VZLmZXJw1z18JpQxDbccb1w7r4gFIQWOwEMum3rul94u1imj63DEpNgaw. ETm_yFLO_axYnWk0yzc.YFdFkzrvHhWir3zgEsKeL1uBq0szOAeXMXaWS0p4 mQfggUbAhpweo3KJmm5hOBTKgLUUKEgQcfYLdtds.AXyF3v3LwINd.gTFZnr 0XIX1QPBKGYxIMnmxrSZLlAVNdMx870VJPlFDXpjgSmQlzrwFm57w5hzPksf yCwqR6ov3bic17GQ6psfiTid4NVv.w7t23X1y6nJhsjkQ9NZ.HBXKfPGtobE JoisaXE7V05pxMa5wCusKTXF.1K_i2T51Ofjn0kRwV1Y0dYlyxecOm3dPjOy 3vSBGjyx8zJ26T3JHpGF0MUwRHUsczVpECBBxu1zK0UT01ms0KvZaJ2ir4RE fid6qHm4FFKspjKUr4hUFuFnKdNEVDAS_lNRzq4bJpanpAdF1DDlvepGttjG iwZ09sk1lBHeKGretZbkZfaoxUFUsznUsobigvtX4W52doVPEdhmXtJzlfSN hzwgDWt91EZiHHEhD6b9FnKXMyHbrCKsSsDn77fCrbITFaoB0w6buXRAMjV5 V8vECAKMovrhqN5VQgI5M9Me2z1uPv5uTvNbRfaSNNXqMdmt7F5aEUA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:21:40 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5C3A36DD-EB93-494B-AFDF-6FE3C9A6B42C@att.net> References: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Wait, Wait, did you really do that LOL thing Per? And still maintained = your dignity? Oh how Swedish of you! On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: > Let's do it.=20 >=20 > Antony Hequet > Poet composer >=20 > On 15 f=E9vr. 2012, at 00:44, Gmail wrote: >=20 >> I wonder if its possible to make a thread that is 100% off topic with = each post >>=20 >> Kaylon >>=20 >> On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>=20 >>> LOL! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe = wrote: >>>> I Agree! >>>>=20 >>>> Mark >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe = >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on >>>>> this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the >>>>> discussion ;-)) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Per >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Mark Francombe >>>> www.markfrancombe.com >>>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>>> http://www.looop.no >>>> twitter @markfrancombe >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 08:31:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6D72183463; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RgeYGE5slICW1qsNDSoIDWPg2B66VwoacrKtNpwou2k=; b=dd6osp5FqWUdw2tU5mWL/2MtkdcTuq+VoaMmXwZK+d8BHGtGrmjrmX9w+B+y2+1gB6 PZUtE2rB1iOUA9SihZsBCm4JTRcYZ47IllexBNhWbOb9gof0R4scW2f+JSKXgJXbPJQq E4McxtzlzLSzpW3LjpUs4x1z+8AXS2falcZvM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5C3A36DD-EB93-494B-AFDF-6FE3C9A6B42C@att.net> References: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> <5C3A36DD-EB93-494B-AFDF-6FE3C9A6B42C@att.net> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:31:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2DIvxD.A.XQH.112OPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:31:49 +0000 (UTC) "Reading other threads".... You mean you have been sitting there reading the same one and only thread over and over..? wow, amazing... BTW - no one has yet changed the subject line for this thread to OT and until then it definitely will continue being Off Topic. Love this list... the ultimate crazyness Per ;-) On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Wait, Wait, did you really do that LOL thing Per? And still maintained yo= ur dignity? Oh how Swedish of you! > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: > >> Let's do it. >> >> Antony Hequet >> Poet composer >> >> On 15 f=C3=A9vr. 2012, at 00:44, Gmail wrote: >> >>> I wonder if its possible to make a thread that is 100% off topic with e= ach post >>> >>> Kaylon >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> LOL! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe wrote: >>>>> I Agree! >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Per Boysen wro= te: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, mark francombe >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I ALWAYS ALWAYS read OT mails... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey - you need to start reading everything! Because all threads on >>>>>> this board evolves into OT at about three or four post's into the >>>>>> discussion ;-)) >>>>>> >>>>>> Per >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark Francombe >>>>> www.markfrancombe.com >>>>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>>>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>>>> http://www.looop.no >>>>> twitter @markfrancombe >>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 08:35:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C84D6183462; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=S6LURfi+cH4gxDMmfqYXak/oiWabalDL1udD+zfqYKY=; b=SJaoA4uR6etKpfoE3vYHk2E7g7IL0Vhwc7a4Phl+LrfwIz2PvyvvsiqJCsiAWw0P3o ueYZYCEIeJ3MU48BHyTuLq/p28vt/ptOcLJ3r4CWJgpfVMj8M9TfZKtjhW5yND7usP3m GZ7I1JDb/GBkXiRFvQdzLZNlGmx1S/OzErBZ8= Message-ID: <4f3b6e34.8a0b440a.30da.ffffdf7f@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:35:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:35:03 +0000 (UTC) chicken sauce -----Original Message----- Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:31:55 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Per Boysen" Subject: Re: Reading other threads "Reading other threads".... You mean you have been sitting there reading the same one and only thread over and over..? wow, amazing... BTW - no one has yet changed the subject line for this thread to OT and until then it definitely will continue being Off Topic. Love this list... the ultimate crazyness Per ;-) On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Wait, Wait, did you really do that LOL thing Per? And still maintained your dignity? Oh how Swedish of you! > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: > >> Let's do it. >> >> Antony Hequet >> Poet composer >> >> On 15 févr. 2012, at 00:44, Gmail wrote: >> >>> I wonder if its possible to make a thread that is 100% off topic with each post >>> >>> Kaylon >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> LOL! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM, mark francombe wrote: >>>>> I Agree! >>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 09:09:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A60183473; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 723579956/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.39/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.39 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBANt1O09YbR8n/2dsb2JhbAAMN4URrjIBAQEDASMVRgsLGgIFIQICDwJGHAGHe6dTkXaBL4p/AQIRAwUCBQMCAxYBAQECAQKDQgpaggeBFgSbAI0e X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,422,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="723579956" Message-ID: <4F3B7635.20801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:09:09 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reading other threads References: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> <5C3A36DD-EB93-494B-AFDF-6FE3C9A6B42C@att.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <189QzD.A.kJC.xY3OPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > BTW - no one has yet changed the subject line for this thread to OT that would violate Francombe's Rule, ....unless you went off topic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 09:10:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C93C0183465; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YbCPDHrlZmdTcE4MRFHLbpewc5NqX5pQNHVz3zZ/lEo=; b=CTbqlc9wcQdEh1MZUSyRZJei8jSC9E5QDSvJbmV4Ya83Kcg4kvrOWk8SgsmFF5qiwE 69Mtl4NCBr6vJiQJBi7Qt19MRGM+7MKqKq8nBkhw4pPFV6NLthIoOzh5pAE6mXsy0IKt 4nt2AHejkLiAMng6bDMMiP0zfmzw5P1JGt+nc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F3B7635.20801@tiscali.co.uk> References: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> <5C3A36DD-EB93-494B-AFDF-6FE3C9A6B42C@att.net> <4F3B7635.20801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:10:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:10:44 +0000 (UTC) I agree... resting my case. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:09 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > Per Boysen wrote: > >> BTW - no one has yet changed the subject line for this thread to OT > > > that would violate Francombe's Rule, > > ....unless you went off topic > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 14:23:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00EDB183474; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fjal3QUcBiZSdsoQ237zd2pNUUespOODTUH1wheYtko=; b=w/4nWuFSzHpkoz1hx+pl1VXWcem/xWxz5Ly56WkyqmkDunHrNkQ6XZv7WqlunnXmjE kg2GXaGn+4V07v2OrnOA1hI3U6xdLAH+zCvMEHR+6QW7K6k1W6lRpW07fLQTE2NF6KF+ Ayn/mmakNFyPbr8rHPI4YvvvoUq3cskNbA4xQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:23:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Total Recall in Ableton Live - Kapture (revisited) From: Lasse juul Kolding To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:23:31 +0000 (UTC) That's at the base of telePort as well, each module having it's own memory and preset roll. So you can easily set up the mixer channel modules to be routed in whatever way you like including the vst settings, and then have many different Midi control maps ready in the midi ctr module. Finally using the Mainpage as a "snapshot" of which presets to use in all other modules letting you do "scene up" and "scene down" with one button that changes between entirely different setups. Everything you can do with kapture and then quite a bit more, especially that you can "capture" states on attached hardware instruments as well..., but without the screen clutter of a set like plastikmans, because you can morph the modules and instruments instead of preparing a gigantic spreadsheat like he does. The same "problem" though, you have to prepare or at least think about what you are doing when changing scene. If you change to a scene that reprograms 4 different hardware synths via looong sysex messages, loads some software samplers and load 40 new vst effects all at the same time, expect a drop in sound if you are doing it without planning. There are many ways to get around it though, such as using the builin mixer looper as a DJ tool... Oh well... ;) It's very much made for people like me, working more in the direction of plastikman but trying to make it more live than that, with the augmented sequencing and all that, which is not entirely simple to get started with. But for loopers, they could still just use the mixer modules and get this kind of morphable modular setup with Total Recall, but for free ;) On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Better way is to plan your setup around latency. Actions that depend > on correct timing can still be addressed with a direct control. > Actions that are quantized in a looper shouldn't be assigned to > Kapture either because the looper needs to know the given command a > bit in advance. It's just like tuning a tempered instrument; balance > the quirks to make a good enough performance possible ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Philip Conway > wrote: >> That thing is indeed rather amazing. =A0The only issue is that latency b= uilds >> up with large amounts of parameters being changed but maybe that's bette= r on >> a faster machine (my trusty but creaky =A0six year old macbook is nearin= g >> retirement age!). =A0It also makes me realise that I really need to lear= n >> Max/MSP. >> >> >> Philip. >> >> >> --On 12 February 2012 23:35 +0100 Per Boysen wrote= : >> >>> I just looked a little deeper into the Max for Live device Kapture. >>> This device offers instant recall. It lets you record and store >>> snapshots of the whole mixer plus devices settings. And this includes >>> looping plugins too! Can you see the tremendous performance power in >>> this for live looping musicians? You can totally design your own >>> looping interface like you want it. Simply decide on what control >>> commands you want, set up mixer and plugins for that and snag a >>> snapshot of it. For some snapshots you may deselect a lot of mixer >>> parameters and only have the snapshot recall the looper's settings, or >>> maybe just one of many loopers you are using. >>> >>> Snapshots can be activated in two ways. First, you mouse the drop-down >>> menu of the Kapture plugin's GUI. Second, you launch an empty clip in >>> Live that has the same name as the Kapture snapshot it's meant to >>> activate. This gives that you can handle a very complex performance >>> setup with only three MIDI pedals: Scene Up, Scene Down and Scene >>> Launch. Compare that to the classic way of assigning one pedal switch >>> for each function. Over here I will keep my 80 pedals (8 Gordius banks >>> of 10 each) and just assign three of them for Kapture. Then I'll see >>> whee this takes me. >>> >>> I just checked with Augustus Loop and every damn parameter in the >>> looper is captured by Kapture. Finally this is opening up a way to use >>> this wonderful looper plugin IRL. My issue with Augustus have always >>> been that I can't press all buttons for all things I want to make >>> happen at once. The EDP functionality design is easier to use but >>> lacks some cool stuff you can do with Augustus. With Augustus it >>> typically makes sense to keep a direct MIDI binding to the Freeze >>> Button, besides this Kapture Snapshot system. >>> >>> Finally, you may rework your setup very quickly in a modular way. Just >>> move around the live clips for different Kapture snapshots. You may >>> put several rows of them in Live's Session View (the data >>> spreadsheat-like interface) so that one Scene (all clips at the same >>> horizontal level) will only launch these Snapshot Clips. Very =A0useful= , >>> especially if you work on many projects and has an issue remembering >>> the different setups. Here you can simply read it on the screen, or >>> easily memorize it visually before a concert. >>> >>> FYI I can tell that this total recall approach for many years has been >>> the base for the French software looper Logeloop as well as for >>> Numerology. In those two apps "saving a preset" takes a snapshot of >>> everything, just like this Kapture thing. One thing I will start >>> fiddling around with now, using Augustus Loop and Kapture, is to work >>> with long bows of slow speed shifts, as this looper offers >>> non-quantized continuous speed/pitch shift. I did some of that on the >>> album with Erdem but until this Kapture I've seen a live concert tool >>> that would allow experimenting with it on stage (except for Logeloop, >>> but I can't run many of my tone shaping plugins in that Max built >>> looper so Live currently works better for me). >>> >>> Ok, signing off now. Just wanted to mention this if someone out there >>> also has been looking for these kind of tools. Oh, I should mention >>> that instant recall of everything is not all snappy. At least not >>> according to a discussion on the Max For Live forum. Some users there >>> report that not all settings change at the same time. But I'm not sure >>> that should seen as a showstopper, after all Plastikman uses Kapture >>> every night to coordinate both Ableton Live mix mashup improvisation >>> and synced video. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 19:17:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0381B183478; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=PSHkTh2g06lmQRqiKXfgMC/cG+AIGhra9g98elzXGXI=; b=Sqg8H2cDnNHEHPa4+XDHWPMee8agB0izzef+n8F22eWpk5frPOv48AgRnBU0AO6JE6 2J/Nc1jk4e+yvJaFWoXFz/RzL2ktYnPnLacKdLdPma15OrNSEmnEgMT6lHTO5kmri2m5 b9H93WZatrzex084qnO3SqG+36DlH0mWF3xLE= Message-ID: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:17:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: To those who make a living off of music From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:17:14 +0000 (UTC) So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from my english teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external reward can doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the best. The article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows its developers to work on any project they want freely and through that, Gmail along with many other crucial developed This post is directed especially to you musicians that make a living soley on music. What is it that keeps your motivation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline your minds (if you do) to remember that you do this only for the love of music and not for money? Did any of you study music in college and survive? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 19:28:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D7CF18348A; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ASP/brXij7m/Cj1tQkm2/R6iJEIfwUWYmOOAlpD9Pho=; b=XbXgH2TtYUOviFJf8IAwqop6HUANNj6zPHwUwQnXEdqz6KccogLuaUs0X0VGb4v6Rk BHaZKG23kn2hPsU/UD8b+CSejUe3SDSmzzQ6cvvQZu0wp519uTnZh4UilohNMFS9yLdL PDnb1E986J3w7yl5l8kIFu//MQJvLHmZxUK50= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:28:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:28:22 +0000 (UTC) I've been doing music full time for periods now and then but every time it has led me into realizing that I love music too much for diluting it in a full time occupation, and every time I have managed to cut down on the pro side music has come back to me in its full power. That's my story. I'm starting to suspect it is a loop.... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:17 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from my = english teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external reward = can doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the bes= t. The article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows its = developers to work on any project they want freely and through that, Gmail = =C2=A0along with many other crucial developed This post is directed especia= lly to you musicians that make a living soley on music. What is it that kee= ps your motivation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline your minds (= if you do) to remember that you do this only for the love of music and not = for money? Did any of you study music in college and survive? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 20:25:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D76B183474; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-15_05:2012-02-15,2012-02-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202150194 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:25:16 -0800 Message-id: References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) I cycle in and out of Pro Music work. When I can get it, its welcomed but.. I gotta say-- when I have had a full roster of well paid musical work, my motivation shifts from artistic to pragmatic reasons. Its good to pay the bills, but what does this have to do with my artistic expression... in most cases, not all that much. There is something to be said for making music for solely for music's sake. I find myself escaping dysfunctional professional engagements but never ever escaping the music. I enjoy her best of all when its just me, she and the guitar between us. :) Daniel On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:17 AM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from my english teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external reward can doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the best. The article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows its developers to work on any project they want freely and through that, Gmail along with many other crucial developed This post is directed especially to you musicians that make a living soley on music. What is it that keeps your motivation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline your minds (if you do) to remember that you do this only for the love of music and not for money? Did any of you study music in college and survive? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 20:29:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03D4F183491; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aWVlBkvDvPXUus28u9fiIFvPIeZSsDoz7wkjpiGSngI=; b=Wk6A29Kt67EDamoxk97h6754lAyFKfdQEUbu2x4QA9HRMjoXmhjnuVGET0PgBCav6b QfzueUdb5vJvQoh9RAzT4b596EQZVFT7QuG/r4aoaZLV7leaJx7ROFckStljW2vgnO5v qEuH9yF5BUiu1xaZs031ehNnQ9EInHG5i97dY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> <5C3A36DD-EB93-494B-AFDF-6FE3C9A6B42C@att.net> <4F3B7635.20801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:29:57 +0000 (UTC) LOL, I like Chicken Sauce! On 2/15/12, Per Boysen wrote: > I agree... resting my case. > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:09 AM, andy butler > wrote: >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> BTW - no one has yet changed the subject line for this thread to OT >> >> >> that would violate Francombe's Rule, >> >> ....unless you went off topic >> > > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 20:40:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB2B5183489; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MfAotPz5Zr4Jc36WonF3IgtYFqAGKdfVe4uoKek3X6g=; b=pvzNGC2ep9Mj4U2pn7Ro8IdwwntJhRXHo/JW7fjunmK00cZQGCPdj5dGKR57Iedp5z WxiD9A4FRRwCsoECwUQizBEO79LCkFH6wsTzkf5FQr09woVilByPjKhPwRgQqytU5yrE rQ1hObBJJHLhXgZMazEInsQnndhkD5oufXdmg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:40:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50166d3b4a7dc04b906b7d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:40:10 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec50166d3b4a7dc04b906b7d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've never been able to make my living at music though wanted nothing more than that for years. I have had some good things happen that gave me some belief that it might, one being publishing that has generated some money but not enough to count on regularly. In recent years I have gradually let go of the 'carrot' and accepted that music for me would be more about collaboration and global community and for the last couple of years that has been my focus with it. There are still visions that I think 'what if this happened or that' but as I've worked in computer IT for years for a day job, I have tried to focus on off-shoots of that to continue to pay the bills and let the music be the art. Jim On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I've been doing music full time for periods now and then but every > time it has led me into realizing that I love music too much for > diluting it in a full time occupation, and every time I have managed > to cut down on the pro side music has come back to me in its full > power. That's my story. I'm starting to suspect it is a loop.... ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:17 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com > wrote: > > So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from m= y > english teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external rewar= d > can doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the > best. The article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows > its developers to work on any project they want freely and through that, > Gmail along with many other crucial developed This post is directed > especially to you musicians that make a living soley on music. What is it > that keeps your motivation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline yo= ur > minds (if you do) to remember that you do this only for the love of music > and not for money? Did any of you study music in college and survive? > > > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --bcaec50166d3b4a7dc04b906b7d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've never been able to make my living at=A0music though wanted no= thing more than that for years.=A0 I have had some good things happen that = gave me some belief that it might, one being publishing that has generated = some money but not enough to count on regularly.
=A0
In recent years I have gradually let go of the 'carr= ot' and accepted that music for me would be more about collaboration an= d global community and for the last couple of years that has been my focus = with it.
=A0
There are still visions that I think 'what if this h= appened or that' but as I've worked in computer IT for years for a = day job, I have tried to focus on off-shoots of that to continue to pay the= bills and let the music be the art.
=A0
Jim
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0


=A0
On Wed, Feb 15, = 2012 at 2:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been doing music full time for periods now and th= en but every
time it has led me into realizing that I love music too much for
diluting it in a full time occupation, and every time I have managed
to cut down on the pro side music has come back to me in its full
power. That's my story. I'm starting to suspect it is a loop.... ;-= )

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:17 PM, k3zz21= @gmail.com <k3zz21@gmail.com= > wrote:
> So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from = my english teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external rewa= rd can doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the = best. The article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows i= ts developers to work on any project they want freely and through that, Gma= il =A0along with many other crucial developed This post is directed especia= lly to you musicians that make a living soley on music. What is it that kee= ps your motivation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline your minds (= if you do) to remember that you do this only for the love of music and not = for money? Did any of you study music in college and survive?
>




--
--=A0<= /div>
Tips Across the Waters, a = new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--bcaec50166d3b4a7dc04b906b7d4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 20:40:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAB9E183491; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=YOJbUT3EBH+sEj9Jo/pIOl4agV1iWdZCjsR12xZfZsA=; b=wgFvyGC/ZsuFz6D4FfvVIGit8SOk1HHtaLtzinAwv+MDL9XoikMGjNTzXStkkg3Yg7 vHP5O7pvsa5XR0vb7l7nqmd2ZxnZVZ9TMb/dcOwTcvbU1Lh1BStCCyYA2rvbs+/yk06N C5cxQIdiZ51MYt19qyS6lnOZKa6u/Y0z/YAqE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:40:23 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ddSwLSs5kQzqSarudCJtacizfHY Message-ID: Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c6497b1f86704b906b903 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:40:44 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c6497b1f86704b906b903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Like the 2 previous posts, I too am an occasional Pro. For 12 years I was a full time Pro, and being that it was a band, it was also a business, and as such, involved meetings, contracts, deadlines, arguments and compromises. Now I work fulltime in a film company and maybe 25% of the time is writing music or working with audio, the rest is meetings, contracts, deadlines, arguments and compromises. Again mostly doing what someone else wants you to do... When a customer says... too sad, too slow, too dark, we say How happy how fast how light? I think its a pleasure to do, and the band was a f***ing topsy turvy rollercoaster of laughs.. but if that was ALL I did, I would die... My "pro" music has always been the tip of the iceberg for me. When I was touring with a depressive goth band, I was also releasing occasional 12" house/techno tracks and partying the night away... Now Im doing film and corporate music, Im also doing looping and noise and whatever arty farty technologicak nonsense Im into that week... I enjoy her best of all when its just me, she and the guitar between us. (or did someone just say that?) M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c6497b1f86704b906b903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like the 2 previous posts, I too am an occasional Pro.
For 12 years I w= as a full time Pro, and being that it was a band, it was also a business, a= nd as such, involved meetings, contracts, deadlines, arguments and compromi= ses. Now I work fulltime in a film company and maybe 25% of the time is wri= ting music or working with audio, the rest is meetings, contracts, deadlin= es, arguments and compromises.

Again mostly doing what someone else wants you to do... When a customer= says... too sad, too slow, too dark, we say How happy how fast how light?<= br>
I think its a pleasure to do, and the band was a f***ing topsy turvy= rollercoaster of laughs.. but if that was ALL I did, I would die... My &qu= ot;pro" music has always been the tip of the iceberg for me. When I wa= s touring with a depressive goth band, I was also releasing occasional 12&q= uot; house/techno tracks and partying the night away...
Now Im doing film and corporate music, Im also doing looping and noise and = whatever arty farty technologicak nonsense Im into that week...

I en= joy her best of all when its just me, she and the guitar between us.

(or did someone just say that?)

M


-- Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d042c6497b1f86704b906b903-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 21:44:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9554A183493; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=TzEVG4ICBTUjQOMFPEXvQk37GrZc7DehLbJEFimcud8=; b=gxpbWEcOMNdPe/mSnsu+V2nLpF37k5P7Lc7UBpXZbmSt/nMG4IoQmtG8VieXu7igIT +WbtcAVIuznuTglptvbJLGdD2frDmQ6rwK3KY64ASfcE33CrwoYUj7xp0i/rdUHRbQJk 5BFuk3MR3+NWKOqL4lEddgAJcphiNYdYDfBSQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> <5C3A36DD-EB93-494B-AFDF-6FE3C9A6B42C@att.net> <4F3B7635.20801@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:44:24 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dVmVsje2jxqFtEH3fVSIzS6NXYU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reading other threads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401687fa3004804b9079e31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:44:45 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0401687fa3004804b9079e31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dont know what chicken sauce is! Is that sauce you have ON chicken (inst that gravy?) or Chicken flavored sauce? If its the latter, what do you pour it over? Chicken? Why? It already tastes like chicken! M On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: > LOL, I like Chicken Sauce! > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d0401687fa3004804b9079e31 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont know what chicken sauce is!
Is that sauce you have ON chicken (i= nst that gravy?) or Chicken flavored sauce?
If its the latter, what do = you pour it over?
Chicken?
Why?
It already tastes like chicken!
M

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Th= omas Wegmann <thew= eg@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL, I like Chicken Sauce!


=A0
= --
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d0401687fa3004804b9079e31-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 21:47:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FA3E183492; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_010617f7-b596-4b57-b668-ff2d98227d18_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: To those who make a living off of music Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:47:45 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2012 21:47:46.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[73FC1170:01CCEC2B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 (UTC) --_010617f7-b596-4b57-b668-ff2d98227d18_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used to make=2C (scrape) a living from writing music for theatre=2C radio= =2C tv etc but didn't really enjoy it. Writing music to order doesn't do it= for me nor does having your nice=2C balanced structure edited to bits..I e= njoy music much more now it's become play again..I'm sure it suits some peo= ple though.. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Wed=2C 15 Feb 2012 20:28:22 +0100 > Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I've been doing music full time for periods now and then but every > time it has led me into realizing that I love music too much for > diluting it in a full time occupation=2C and every time I have managed > to cut down on the pro side music has come back to me in its full > power. That's my story. I'm starting to suspect it is a loop.... =3B-) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed=2C Feb 15=2C 2012 at 8:17 PM=2C k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > > So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from m= y english teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external rewar= d can doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the b= est. The article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows it= s developers to work on any project they want freely and through that=2C Gm= ail along with many other crucial developed This post is directed especial= ly to you musicians that make a living soley on music. What is it that keep= s your motivation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline your minds (i= f you do) to remember that you do this only for the love of music and not f= or money? Did any of you study music in college and survive? > > >=20 = --_010617f7-b596-4b57-b668-ff2d98227d18_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used to make=2C (scrape) a living from writing music for theatre=2C radio= =2C tv etc but didn't really enjoy it. Writing music to order doesn't do it= for me nor does having your nice=2C balanced structure edited to bits..I e= njoy music much more now it's become play again..
I'm sure it suits som= e people though..

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Date: Wed=2C 15 Feb 2012 20= :28:22 +0100
>=3B Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music=
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com
>=3B
>=3B I've been doing music full time for period= s now and then but every
>=3B time it has led me into realizing that I= love music too much for
>=3B diluting it in a full time occupation=2C= and every time I have managed
>=3B to cut down on the pro side music = has come back to me in its full
>=3B power. That's my story. I'm start= ing to suspect it is a loop.... =3B-)
>=3B
>=3B Greetings from S= weden
>=3B
>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B www.perboysen.com
>=3B= http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
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>=3B
>= =3B On Wed=2C Feb 15=2C 2012 at 8:17 PM=2C k3zz21@gmail.com <=3Bk3zz21@gm= ail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B So we (the class) literally just fini= shed listining to a lecture from my english teacher about motivation. He wa= s talking about how external reward can doom us for failure and how its sel= f directed motive that works the best. The article we read said that Google= has one day a week that allows its developers to work on any project they = want freely and through that=2C Gmail  =3Balong with many other crucial= developed This post is directed especially to you musicians that make a li= ving soley on music. What is it that keeps your motivation and creativity f= resh? How do you discipline your minds (if you do) to remember that you do = this only for the love of music and not for money? Did any of you study mus= ic in college and survive?
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= --_010617f7-b596-4b57-b668-ff2d98227d18_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 21:50:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84784183489; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=ZpvTMAOJMBd19YRn2x3kjbnYxEVYSemMq5Cr4fmM/M4=; b=lhXe6vZmZHVv057NwCDefvdXeUtIh4VcK81cOQC8ZbaKjHv3dzxEs9RK7XGd9t+2NP Vg5dpx5yupgO1T4+wNWRU7ofyM9D7ApJqM2fvqwW7nXZC5b5gXIoRXWaQfoGvngjIDLl tE2tNwyBxiz7zw75OrKB4AiQdRykV2f4sJ5qc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:50:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1DiBIa4cGTr5NXAaeXNT3XpHzck Message-ID: Subject: Chicken Sauce WAS Re: Reading other threads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f93fa91e9b804b907b42e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f93fa91e9b804b907b42e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And while we are on the subject of chicken sauce. I just tried to plug my Amiga in.. I was listening to an old techno tune of mine, and wondering what teh bassline was done with, then I realised, it was the squarewave from my Amiga... Anyway.. Had to put ad Norwegian plug on, and Buzz chuck chuck chuck that familir sound filled my ears for the first time in about 15 years... stll worked... EXCEPT.. Darn it the monitor cable doesnt fit my new monitor It LOOKS like a VGA IN on my new monitor (im not using that socket cos Im in DVI) But the Amiga cable , which looks the same has only 2 rows of pins, as opposed to 3 that the new one has... I can probably get a NEW 3 row VGA plug tomorrow, but, anyone know where I might find out how to wire it up... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042f93fa91e9b804b907b42e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And while we are on the subject of chicken sauce. I just tried to plug my A= miga in.. I was listening to an old techno tune of mine, and wondering what= teh bassline was done with, then I realised, it was the squarewave from my= Amiga... Anyway.. Had to put ad Norwegian plug on, and Buzz chuck chuck ch= uck that familir sound filled my ears for the first time in about 15 years.= .. stll worked... EXCEPT..

Darn it the monitor cable doesnt fit my new monitor=A0 It LOOKS like a = VGA IN on my new monitor (im not using that socket cos Im in DVI) But the A= miga cable , which looks the same has only 2 rows of pins, as opposed to 3 = that the new one has... I can probably get a NEW 3 row VGA plug tomorrow, b= ut, anyone know where I might find out how to wire it up...

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--f46d042f93fa91e9b804b907b42e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 22:14:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F0A318349A; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=UCUcocCAfaQCdiO+5jsOZwE9iLWW8D/iws/QwhER7jE=; b=dQLw6wvxNrYtndw02MgpNou9K2KsRtCGhxJ5Ey2gb7cZC46BbEgXeob7VlOj6uRT19 FS29KmDMGW1T2l13sC33K71Yrqzz4ZlL48gPn79NAadBMjv+W9DyvamVWtPz1NeGKymQ v2FX/lUayJQeKLgIQ0AMoHZ1X/8qZfgCwaWjY= Message-ID: <4f3c2e3b.c123440a.4ff2.1946@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:14:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Reading other threads From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Maybe it is chicken flavored sause that you pour on pork. We now have a Porken :D -----Original Message----- Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:44:51 pm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "mark francombe" Subject: Re: Reading other threads I dont know what chicken sauce is! Is that sauce you have ON chicken (inst that gravy?) or Chicken flavored sauce? If its the latter, what do you pour it over? Chicken? Why? It already tastes like chicken! M On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: > LOL, I like Chicken Sauce! > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 22:14:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E435618349E; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 789198.33258.bm@omp1024.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1329344089; bh=1pAt8EHqpowX5mYKgWBVnrOX5Q9Ao1ni1DbanGa8q+M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GqTOc1sX8yXQFQO62mJhJj/zOOPus+h4Hi2tkZdEIdL/SA2Th4Auzhf8SXX9I2BIKtb5dF9TiU+cHgBVim7bB2fTzud4DPy/j3Zzl4I1enqhREzqjXh41OCuJjVswJ1AUWGfPC4HII8QY+ULIdhsmPIwkoXqh9kk3DV029Q7W9g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0fhwkXxps1uw00hBP0jMiILf4ooOC0zs5JmW85/W54IXy4xK1iHCzdFDZRYFCMe9j/wVvICQ/+G8Ov/zUPbytBTzE1u+wT+2wFkcET9VR9zYsqGBSjG9Zjdt+t5jLAEMZkktKmrDjBqeRlzr1N3Y2Zy8J8JyGmxzEQLtzubVDYg=; X-YMail-OSG: LEw4viYVM1lg3Tl0taG..9GkblKzHP4FAgV8zATF3G9o377 ttjnMmj3fiZiF5OFoUQdOUHcV1t5k7Y7v6npmZfXZKFrD5tZS9ptaP8ex7BC j_PQsyztJ3njfg8nQgCaYDRLhLzafMf5IPDstrOxsLVBbRXCph.c4bURcYNR vOIIC2lutxPZnqDqjs8t.a3x2RBcWa2Z78CYAmbNxYf2tCMsZKOXOGE0eh8L 7nkITZeY4CJaMQcGGegH9Q_0Ja_M9GY8VIkF3NsZDJNrevShPmtDZ_1d8h9a mtSGIXlNepicwUgaXwkqHkkjSzZYXQR4kBqVVApW6rDM9gtDXvBFxBzPolaE UU0o2Kp68A9Zg.O.FQ869ulHu5EVBcOh1rBh7ftaU3UbUfSH0m8c99YKnVvv HuBPBCoG_fRGdZ.aCUHCRkkQTX4nr3CGuOCJXgvw1jXlpIDs2qCrlQIUlMh6 D_ts_6dvmARZsRWpBqs8__Kqm3hZ0dwy1.HoW3dFjPE5OWbpxPM2nowyepXa BFjQ4r6UVNs4WtDTYmOwF3v_aWxoTYFbXiqQlKKj8qf.inJxLZ2pRVWurIYL vAMGyqClD1tLvLMSSOU6v.KhagjTPQMuIqOz2GAH1eh7NXR85RP0pZMHX9Lw Kh7MjgEPGqAOCXDWx6nGd0qZornSrN40NeTX6Nia7eI_LMR7bhXaacEkx0PU 70Slt3IAvvILe7BRfLo1FCaIYncFPRlR2Cy5Ea_qGzwncUcG7eNCAartpP2L 7u.3Qznh9npFICQdEj.8yla8S4mp.kUI- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1329344089.29335.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:14:49 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-3126525-2030067143-1329344089=:29335" Resent-Message-ID: <4XZUf.A.IDC.b5CPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:51 +0000 (UTC) ---3126525-2030067143-1329344089=:29335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I too made my living with music for a while. Sound guy, live and studio. Wasn't highly paid or the like, but the travel, etc. was worth it. Got in with a country band later that opened for huge national acts. Was hoping to get picked up by one of them but it didn't happen. Probably a good thing. The small town I lived in halfway between Seattle and Portland made networking too hard. Came close, but not quite. Rig ________________________________ From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music Like the 2 previous posts, I too am an occasional Pro. For 12 years I was a full time Pro, and being that it was a band, it was also a business, and as such, involved meetings, contracts, deadlines, arguments and compromises. Now I work fulltime in a film company and maybe 25% of the time is writing music or working with audio, the rest is meetings, contracts, deadlines, arguments and compromises. Again mostly doing what someone else wants you to do... When a customer says... too sad, too slow, too dark, we say How happy how fast how light? I think its a pleasure to do, and the band was a f***ing topsy turvy rollercoaster of laughs.. but if that was ALL I did, I would die... My "pro" music has always been the tip of the iceberg for me. When I was touring with a depressive goth band, I was also releasing occasional 12" house/techno tracks and partying the night away... Now Im doing film and corporate music, Im also doing looping and noise and whatever arty farty technologicak nonsense Im into that week... I enjoy her best of all when its just me, she and the guitar between us. (or did someone just say that?) M -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ---3126525-2030067143-1329344089=:29335 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I too made my living with music for a while. Sound guy, live and studio. Wasn't highly paid or the like, but the travel, etc. was worth it. Got in with a country band later that opened for huge national acts. Was hoping to get picked up by one of them but it didn't happen. Probably a good thing.  The small town I lived in halfway between Seattle and Portland made networking too hard. Came close, but not quite. Rig
From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music

Like the 2 previous posts, I too am an occasional Pro.
For 12 years I was a full time Pro, and being that it was a band, it was also a business, and as such, involved meetings, contracts, deadlines, arguments and compromises. Now I work fulltime in a film company and maybe 25% of the time is writing music or working with audio, the rest is meetings, contracts, deadlines, arguments and compromises.

Again mostly doing what someone else wants you to do... When a customer says... too sad, too slow, too dark, we say How happy how fast how light?

I think its a pleasure to do, and the band was a f***ing topsy turvy rollercoaster of laughs.. but if that was ALL I did, I would die... My "pro" music has always been the tip of the iceberg for me. When I was touring with a depressive goth band, I was also releasing occasional 12" house/techno tracks and partying the night away...
Now Im doing film and corporate music, Im also doing looping and noise and whatever arty farty technologicak nonsense Im into that week...

I enjoy her best of all when its just me, she and the guitar between us.

(or did someone just say that?)

M


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---3126525-2030067143-1329344089=:29335-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 00:07:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18B131834A0; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <250CF321936845BDA7C02D36423B0CC1@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Chicken Sauce WAS Re: Reading other threads Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:07:07 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01CCEC3E.EBED0B90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:07:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CCEC3E.EBED0B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here=E2=80=99s a wiring diagram that should help..? http://www.instructables.com/community/DVI-to-VGA-Conversion-on-a-Budget/= =20 From: mark francombe=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Chicken Sauce WAS Re: Reading other threads And while we are on the subject of chicken sauce. I just tried to plug = my Amiga in.. I was listening to an old techno tune of mine, and = wondering what teh bassline was done with, then I realised, it was the = squarewave from my Amiga... Anyway.. Had to put ad Norwegian plug on, = and Buzz chuck chuck chuck that familir sound filled my ears for the = first time in about 15 years... stll worked... EXCEPT.. Darn it the monitor cable doesnt fit my new monitor It LOOKS like a VGA = IN on my new monitor (im not using that socket cos Im in DVI) But the = Amiga cable , which looks the same has only 2 rows of pins, as opposed = to 3 that the new one has... I can probably get a NEW 3 row VGA plug = tomorrow, but, anyone know where I might find out how to wire it up...=20 --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CCEC3E.EBED0B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here=E2=80=99s a wiring diagram that should help..?
http://www.instructables.com/community/DVI-to-VGA-Conversion-on-a-= Budget/
 
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And=20 while we are on the subject of chicken sauce. I just tried to plug my = Amiga in..=20 I was listening to an old techno tune of mine, and wondering what teh = bassline=20 was done with, then I realised, it was the squarewave from my Amiga... = Anyway..=20 Had to put ad Norwegian plug on, and Buzz chuck chuck chuck that familir = sound=20 filled my ears for the first time in about 15 years... stll worked...=20 EXCEPT..

Darn it the monitor cable doesnt fit my new = monitor  It=20 LOOKS like a VGA IN on my new monitor (im not using that socket cos Im = in DVI)=20 But the Amiga cable , which looks the same has only 2 rows of pins, as = opposed=20 to 3 that the new one has... I can probably get a NEW 3 row VGA plug = tomorrow,=20 but, anyone know where I might find out how to wire it up...
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CCEC3E.EBED0B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 00:13:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE8FA1834A0; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F3C4A2F.4090502@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:13:35 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "k3zz21@gmail.com" CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:13:46 +0000 (UTC) I've made my living, entirely, as a musician for the last 35 years but I did a lot of different things to make that living.........I toured, I did lots of studio work, hundreds of gigs, taught a lot, lectured, consulted with music companies, had a lot of work as a music business consultant, produced, engineered (live and in the studio). I've always been lucky (or perhaps foolish) in that I did freelance work for years in stead of being in one professional band. This has always allowed me to have an all original project since 1980. I've very proud of the fact that I've always been an artist who didn't compromise and there were even times where my all original projects made a fair amount of money. If I hadn't done that I would have quit being a professional musician a long time ago. I was the number one on call sub for 150 bands in Northern California for almost 15 years and I really got burnt out on that. Because I was considered what they call an A-list drummer (first call) I was booked constantly but could always reasonably turn down a gig for my own artistic projects if there was a conflict. I'm proud to say that I rarely ever took a high paying pro gig over a low to no paying 'art' gig. Again, this may have been foolishness. Now, I'm finding it harder than ever to survive, especially after the economic recession that hit the US a few years back and never really left the region I live in. I rely mostly on teaching and some creative inventing and consulting work. But whereas people used take music lessons as a lifestyle now it is considered by most to be a luxury, so the last three years have been a really tough struggle, not only for me, but for almost all of the professional musicians I know. There are some still dialed into the rapidly diminishing work but live music that is well paid has mostly evaporated from this region. DJs have taken over the lions' share of paid entertainment gigs these days (corporate parties, weddings, etc.) It's a changing world and it's a struggle but I'm very proud that I've made it this long at least. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 01:26:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEE0818349A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 536426.11478.bm@omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1329355565; bh=YkVtxe3JfBdJZRgT9ZQXEAhHqPzMRf1fXnjmJzYGhcY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QDcxYcpxOBiudxi9SuK0rjP4otF+gxp72GEgCdysflPXZOGjUUV7KPX7y45mmtMoR8c7vdsyWhpIS4iK9hHaQ7K+AniospsycvLSzuke7U9x/n01CRu0dx0Z6o9NwtiCGBmGuYmZaErLQLAG0oGtMy+40SfvABbhCKOaLEdoMGQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sVR8UqvPskbhFibLPs7zbtgcEAwCM100KCwyPHRCb0392wRV6g6/Wh7N8dFrXYyC9hHQ2zVqwk3KEVOKgZpxk8AE2U1RuU1voYaK10RSjrvbH8GaPgG91Vcnqo9iC09/Ba1F4tSQRXH7BEONSzE/ljUiE4o/YIgGGyH4YON5FOE=; X-YMail-OSG: p6PllDcVM1nzGMZblF4kx5v_bynQ_63nmpNtf7QIGwneiI. h6G8Swv4G_PMVXmgoJeB82BB5C66qR7Z6HRYOrhQYAFqX8nkI7qHEm4USvVo dzKiGmGQc_YZtxDhce9Rl3HKmBDpV.ni5Od_csUpmlC4UhZafRwIWQVhXRuM RKV58ePa5xtMXgGqDncQEv9Zkk8Z1Tc0YnE0RyBXTe3OhL_.jm8si_4HtYnG dj9o8BWs0J5FDlwfdWLxOE.nqfPAzIa9H2jmwNdThSQk1c7mOpshNMB_2_5M EGIXNQXLquaxJtxY6kIr_AB0.Pjzox5G3mfEpc91fH6Ddjmr3GHlL4qf7UFC c4.zLgXu5E.CMgwTmdOhuc_iYvueVg_I1ypjtpnHwnt87otcp0OU2a3U_UOc L.lgG3fgB_LosrVGol7DPk.WS5b8JLVJGYh.HcT6TUyoL.OxSr.xZtciD_ch xY4i_DnOAbyWScGR3u87_J2JfbOD4LIhy2F77OHXjm2293azpusLZt1ju5t9 XAqP.ge0LWL_Hd6qK9FvMtXUmw6alR7ag6Ydf3ZxjyQxBUP2PVrxw_UbAiOC kbU1v7YrGrA3qZk3Hruox2VU3E5JmKnn_OU7nSZ7cZDcJ4cfUqJ3eriFosOO hqySH37XZMxv2MGPuXQw2GwLlECJYCuXkS0RVNHMUx4HQVWAJGXlJhxF9Ypq gP9d.rLQ9poYbXFGmcYtwrlVppqNFzeSjy4W_484qa3f4EHFUrXeiYmOCDeR W6u.1WMTOmOvTrrh887FunlawllVh0J7qVr644vO0nD0JIa0Dzv1yjxZlTvI Gd93M.cXtpj4Esd6NTTfpYvquNG18aQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <07CD793D-C4AE-431D-8D84-D23130FA3AA0@gmail.com> <5C3A36DD-EB93-494B-AFDF-6FE3C9A6B42C@att.net> <4F3B7635.20801@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1329355565.69138.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:26:05 -0800 (PST) From: tim echols Reply-To: tim echols Subject: Re: Reading other threads To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-985778932-2146435217-1329355565=:69138" Resent-Message-ID: <2VhWK.A.dsH.usFPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:26:06 +0000 (UTC) ---985778932-2146435217-1329355565=:69138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=A0=A0=A0 technically, a sauce is made from the stock of whatever animal= it is named by;=A0 a gravy is made with drippings.=A0 so the term chicken = sauce means a sauce made from reduced chicken stock, but it does not say wh= at your thickener is, or what other ingredients you may add,=A0 and it can = top whatever you would like.=A0 i have spent more time in kitchens than ons= tage or in the studio, and got paid better for it.=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0i find= the two creative endeavors=A0to be similar--=A0 chords as ingredients, gen= res as cuisines, grand majestic extended pieces in the constant flow of fin= ished plates as they are completed and whisked away in a display of timing = and teamwork to rival any orchestra,=A0and the gorgeous solo composition of= the pastry chef interpreted by a skilled performer with an eye for color a= nd balance as they are plated up for presentation.=A0 there are egos, divas= , lead players, undervalued bass players, ahem,=A0i mean, ensemble players = who are on the back line bringing up everything they are called to "go for,= " and are known informally as gophers, who support everyone else.=A0 you wi= ll find that most folks who cook for a living feel passionately about music= , as well.=A0 i know your queries were in the main rhetorical, but there is= actually an answer to what chicken sauce would mean classically.=0A=A0=0A= =A0=0Atime=0A=A0=0Ano looping up at present....=0A=A0=0Ahttp://soundcloud.c= om/tsunamidaily=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: mark fra= ncombe =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = =0ASent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: Reading other = threads=0A =0A=0AI dont know what chicken sauce is! =0AIs that sauce you h= ave ON chicken (inst that gravy?) or Chicken flavored sauce? =0AIf its the = latter, what do you pour it over?=0AChicken?=0AWhy?=0AIt already tastes lik= e chicken!=0A=0AM=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Thomas Wegmann <= theweg@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0ALOL, I like Chicken Sauce!=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=A0= =0A-- =0AMark Francombe=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Ahttp= ://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Aht= tp://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ---985778932-2146435217-1329355565=:69138 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 &nbs= p;   technically, a sauce is made from the stock of whatever anim= al it is named by;  a gravy is made with drippings.  so the term = chicken sauce means a sauce made from reduced chicken stock, but it does no= t say what your thickener is, or what other ingredients you may add,  = and it can top whatever you would like.  i have spent more time in kit= chens than onstage or in the studio, and got paid better for it. 
     i find the two creative endeavo= rs to be similar--  chords as ingredients, genres as cuisines, gr= and majestic extended pieces in the constant flow of finished plates as the= y are completed and whisked away in a display of timing and teamwork to riv= al any orchestra, and the gorgeous solo composition of the pastry chef interpreted by a skilled performer with an eye for color and balance = as they are plated up for presentation.  there are egos, divas, lead p= layers, undervalued bass players, ahem, i mean, ensemble players who a= re on the back line bringing up everything they are called to "go for," and= are known informally as gophers, who support everyone else.  you will= find that most folks who cook for a living feel passionately about music, = as well.  i know your queries were in the main rhetorical, but there i= s actually an answer to what chicken sauce would mean classically.
 
 
= time
 
no looping up at = present....
 

=
From: mark francom= be <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Reading ot= her threads

=0A
I dont know= what chicken sauce is!
Is that sauce you have ON chicken (inst that gr= avy?) or Chicken flavored sauce?
If its the latter, what do you pour it= over?
Chicken?
Why?
It already tastes like chicken!
=0A=0A
= M

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:= 29 PM, Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A=0ALOL, I like Chicken Sauce!


&nb= sp;
--
Mark Francombe
=0A=0Awww.mark= francombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
=0A= =0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

=0A

---985778932-2146435217-1329355565=:69138-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 01:46:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ABEB1834A0; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=EVS2v94V+HgGayiGcbuwJHCHsP6vvQk1eBBFyWTITZc= c=1 sm=2 a=kjdb436P8x8A:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=KQXDRWQ_fu0m9m3Rmu8A:9 a=V9ErhYzKihBMTs_EABcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=BXQptlFQZruyCYtrgqYA:9 a=77t9ZwSY0YdjAJgr8XoA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.198.2 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18-1009743170 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:46:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:46:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-18-1009743170 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:17 AM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > What is it that keeps your motivation and creativity fresh? My love of the art, my imagination, my desire to help others through = music. If any one of those three elements are there, they usually kick = start the other. We do get in ruts though, so lately I've allowed myself to take a break = from the whole thing, which has been totally refreshing. It's been good = for the art of it all too. =20 Writing music for film and video was great for me - up to a point. I = was forced to write everything from heavy metal to classical to jazz to = ALL OF IT. That was cool till the (dis)stress of all that just became = too much. I burned out after around 13 years of it. But I learned TONS = doing it.=20 Finally, and this is embarrassing, but buying new guitars, banjos, kbds = and gear always works in a pinch. That's sort of a dangerous road that = wreaked financial havoc on my early days. > How do you discipline your minds (if you do) to remember that you do = this only for the love of music and not for money? Did any of you study = music in college and survive?=20 Music itself disciplined me into it. I started out in bands that did = pretty well. At some point it became very clear that that wasn't = working anymore, so I started GlassWing Studios in 1981. =20 You can do it for the 'money' and flesh and drug bennies and that can be = your goal but reality educates you quite quickly (if you're sharp) and = less so if you're not sharp. I'm not sure when I had the revelation = that love is the only sustainable motivation. I think partly it was = working with dirt poor musicians back in the early eighties (at = GlassWing) who had visions of gold plated sugar plums. It was totally = apparent (listening to their music) that the GP sugar plums weren't = going to show up anytime soon... that they would have to continue making = their living changing tires, selling crack, painting houses etc. =20 The pain of watching that started to bring it all together for me. They = loved music but had torqued it into a theoretical cash cow. I realized, = if they only stuck with the love it would be totally and forever = rewarding.=20 I can't imagine how powerful that revelation could be for a teacher or = professor! Yikes! It's always great to have something else to do to make money, so you = don't have to prostitute the music or burn out like I did with film and = video music or, to some degree, recording other musicians. I was always = very good with my hands, so I could repair, remodel houses etc. Never = did that for too long but it was a handy skill that serves me very well = to this day. For example, I'm currently remodeling the studio here. To = hire someone to do it would cost many thousands of dollars and they = wouldn't do as good a job. I actually love doing this stuff. =20 This is my third studio. Each one I did all the building, most of the = wiring, thousands of solder points, crawling through crawl spaces, = spider webs. =20 In general, loving what you do is one of the greatest gifts a human can = have. Everything you learn (and love learning) can come in handy down = the road. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com --Apple-Mail-18-1009743170 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:17 AM, k3zz21@gmail.com = wrote:

What is it that keeps your motivation and creativity = fresh?

My love of the art, my = imagination, my desire to help others through music.  If any one of = those three elements are there, they usually kick start the = other.

We do get in ruts though, so lately I've = allowed myself to take a break from the whole thing, which has been = totally refreshing.  It's been good for the art of it all too. =  

Writing music for film and video was = great for me - up to a point.  I was forced to write everything = from heavy metal to classical to jazz to ALL OF IT.  That was cool = till the (dis)stress of all that just became too much.  I burned = out after around 13 years of it.  But I learned TONS doing = it. 

Finally, and this is embarrassing, = but buying new guitars, banjos, kbds and gear always works in a pinch. =  That's sort of a dangerous road that wreaked financial havoc on my = early days.

How do you = discipline your minds (if you do) to remember that you do this only for = the love of music and not for money? Did any of you study music in = college and survive?

Music itself = disciplined me into it.  I started out in bands that did pretty = well.  At some point it became very clear that that wasn't working = anymore, so I started GlassWing Studios in = 1981.
  
You can do it for the 'money' and = flesh and drug bennies and that can be your goal but reality educates = you quite quickly (if you're sharp) and less so if you're not sharp. =  I'm not sure when I had the revelation that love is the only = sustainable motivation.  I think partly it was working with dirt = poor musicians back in the early eighties (at GlassWing) who had visions = of gold plated sugar plums.  It was totally apparent (listening to = their music) that the GP sugar plums weren't going to show up anytime = soon... that they would have to continue making their living changing = tires, selling crack, painting houses etc. =  

The pain of watching that started to = bring it all together for me.  They loved music but had torqued it = into a theoretical cash cow.  I realized, if they only stuck with = the love it would be totally and forever = rewarding. 

I can't imagine how powerful = that revelation could be for a teacher or professor! =  Yikes!

It's always great to have = something else to do to make money, so you don't have to prostitute the = music or burn out like I did with film and video music or, to some = degree, recording other musicians.  I was always very good with my = hands, so I could repair, remodel houses etc.  Never did that for = too long but it was a handy skill that serves me very well to this day. =  For example, I'm currently remodeling the studio here.  To = hire someone to do it would cost many thousands of dollars and they = wouldn't do as good a job.  I actually love doing this stuff. =  

This is my third studio.  Each one = I did all the building, most of the wiring, thousands of solder points, = crawling through crawl spaces, spider webs. =  

In general, loving what you do is one of = the greatest gifts a human can have.  Everything you learn (and = love learning) can come in handy down the = road.



= --Apple-Mail-18-1009743170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 04:20:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55DED183475; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=srN1tMcSldYHK1CPlWhLObkB8+DEopT3uNFwbu1cz5o=; b=jWEf3F2junnB1A03iamvxI3M/CY9ZeHO+mwXRhY8+aergsNvmy5ht+KFTGEy2xoma5 AK1DrXh1UvIbo5A3YCCNOmkGTW1t6zGmCFxuxj1i2+rlSjmf06yE7dOQFNPHokG4nrte WwfdwaQCiSFxU8I0FdVYJ0Ed1xtUTGEfKNUHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <250CF321936845BDA7C02D36423B0CC1@ELUK1> References: <250CF321936845BDA7C02D36423B0CC1@ELUK1> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:20:09 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Chicken Sauce WAS Re: Reading other threads From: Art Simon To: Stephen Goodman Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340767cbf17104b90d2403 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:20:11 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340767cbf17104b90d2403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That sounds like an Amiga specific DB23M video connector: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_500 It's not VGA compatible. Sorry Mark, but this answer sounds a bit bleak: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=3D20100226231126AA8PkDP You might need to scrounge an Amiga monitor. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Here=92s a wiring diagram that should help..? > http://www.instructables.com/community/DVI-to-VGA-Conversion-on-a-Budget/ > > *From:* mark francombe > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:50 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Chicken Sauce WAS Re: Reading other threads > > And while we are on the subject of chicken sauce. I just tried to plug my > Amiga in.. I was listening to an old techno tune of mine, and wondering > what teh bassline was done with, then I realised, it was the squarewave > from my Amiga... Anyway.. Had to put ad Norwegian plug on, and Buzz chuck > chuck chuck that familir sound filled my ears for the first time in about > 15 years... stll worked... EXCEPT.. > > Darn it the monitor cable doesnt fit my new monitor It LOOKS like a VGA > IN on my new monitor (im not using that socket cos Im in DVI) But the Ami= ga > cable , which looks the same has only 2 rows of pins, as opposed to 3 tha= t > the new one has... I can probably get a NEW 3 row VGA plug tomorrow, but, > anyone know where I might find out how to wire it up... > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com --14dae9340767cbf17104b90d2403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That sounds like an Amiga specific DB23M video connector:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_500= =A0
It's not VGA compatible. Sorry Mark, but this answer sounds= a bit bleak:
You might need to scrounge an Amiga monitor.
=
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Stephen Goodman= <spgoodma= n@earthlight.net> wrote:
Here=92s a wiring diagram that should help..?
=A0
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:50 PM
Subject: Chicken Sauce WAS Re: Reading other=20 threads
=A0
And=20 while we are on the subject of chicken sauce. I just tried to plug my Amiga= in..=20 I was listening to an old techno tune of mine, and wondering what teh bassl= ine=20 was done with, then I realised, it was the squarewave from my Amiga... Anyw= ay..=20 Had to put ad Norwegian plug on, and Buzz chuck chuck chuck that familir so= und=20 filled my ears for the first time in about 15 years... stll worked...=20 EXCEPT..

Darn it the monitor cable doesnt fit my new monitor=A0 It= =20 LOOKS like a VGA IN on my new monitor (im not using that socket cos Im in D= VI)=20 But the Amiga cable , which looks the same has only 2 rows of pins, as oppo= sed=20 to 3 that the new one has... I can probably get a NEW 3 row VGA plug tomorr= ow,=20 but, anyone know where I might find out how to wire it up...

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Mark=20 Francombe
www.markfrancomb= e.com
www.ordoabkhao.com=
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--14dae9340767cbf17104b90d2403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 04:53:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8A8C183462; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=ry73+X6UK36vPe0XKbZK5oUM+2h7f3VzN7RkacKQQzg=; b=d7wbejp1GQeUExxXbRmm/C7kfPMyKxdBeqzLFhs6iFzuQ7mOR1RV6DAl0J82ozI5fa eo8YkxfC97XAM5+6RoLewwgeECWF/Wg2O0JH9Vf/cpVKxgD8jR+Llpmpk9eQ3Ql4CpIm IXCzSKX5DEBc6sU7BxYu+suq0ghHG5WyUbw4w= Message-ID: <4f3c8be5.c13b440a.1597.47b0@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:53:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Finally had a my first bad performance! From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:53:59 +0000 (UTC) I just performed at my church for the second time. This has been i think my 4th performance. I must say it was pretty bad in my opinion. Creativity was just dead. Im quite greatful of it though. I feel like i did a good job of not panicing and that alone boosts my confidence. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 05:26:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EB41183473; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=eSv8Ljl8BGpx3Wtpo+hC4ZO9POagI7eECYDLYFtZ/fY=; b=Ce1qvqMILn+FtIBYoMe5/A48pCeQ/ovRbozf1/AwyGiSJpypiAoIoMtuQ3gdwdAO/b rjqMMz2IG/ZAL34zPC8Czjb3sQ8w91PzopzgqxKMYs4H+ejwM6tDlYcab8nB9TOCQWRC cfA6y02oh1zpKiYF0VV0gRXRMRW0IXwlOIQnc= Message-ID: <4f3c9387.a31a440a.297d.4d4f@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:26:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: My first bad-ish performance From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:26:33 +0000 (UTC) I performed at youth group again tonight. It totally winged it. Haha I cant even call it improvising it just felt like blah. Im greatful for it tho because now i somewhat know how i react to unexpected "bad" performances and it is really as traumatic as i sized it up to be. I received quite a few compliments for it, though. Im glad to say I've learned something new about myself in this musical journey :D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 05:38:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FFC1183474; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-16_02:2012-02-16,2012-02-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202150346 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:38:07 -0500 Message-id: <14D08600-C557-46EC-BDA8-F25F86DA201F@mac.com> References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:38:09 +0000 (UTC) I make a living as a producer, mixer, session guitarist and singer... and occasional private music teacher. When there's external work on the table you do it with all the love inside you... and, if you're good at what you do, that will lift the project beyond where even YOU thought it could go. That always surprises me. Having stuck with it for the last 27 years has earned me enough of a reputation that now I am lucky enough to get called for what I like doing and there is absolutely no pain whatsoever in being a pro... in fact, it's a joy in every way. It wasn't always that way... that's called paying your dues, I guess. The times when I have to find discipline is when I'm making my own music. If I have some time off from the pro aspect of my music, I do everything in my power to NOT look at that as time off, but rather, time to work on my stuff. When there's a good balance between the 2 worlds they seem to blend into one thing and no extra than normal motivation is needed to go about doing work for my own music or pro music. When there's a little too much pro stuff going on sometimes I find myself either pining away for that personal music time or burning the candle at both ends to keep the balance... which throws other things, like sleep, out of balance. So... to answer your question: I don't have to discipline my mind to remember that I do music for love: that's a given. That's where everything starts. In fact, only by doing what I love has the money ever come. It's when I start taking on projects I don't find attractive that the money dwindles. I studied music in college and survived... I don't really understand that part of the question. I know there are a whole bunch of people out there who like to poop on music school... I'm not one of them. Knowledge is a good thing. Thanks for the post. Very interesting things to ponder. I love all the other reply posts too.... Teddy http://teddyjam.com On Feb 15, 2012, at 2:17 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from my english teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external reward can doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the best. The article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows its developers to work on any project they want freely and through that, Gmail along with many other crucial developed This post is directed especially to you musicians that make a living soley on music. What is it that keeps your motivation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline your minds (if you do) to remember that you do this only for the love of music and not for money? Did any of you study music in college and survive? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 06:01:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E9B2183475; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=W/hgVlgBQutiPyi5ACzLwKQBS4thRdDsBhVsSeKkij8=; b=rg9PAY22nIWKmsQKbKpaJv6Ingcd7wLFmKt+251CyVX4RzRj6HtTzGQlzPKvNU8Ni7 BqW1h/wgDefz85eE4W7mefzLdEY2cksneIvLYnNeCpgEm658mJi1J/yTcCjtl75ehInL ZPVuCap2GJ1fZAmLLRj8G7rCFPPyPLaqw+KiE= Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> <14D08600-C557-46EC-BDA8-F25F86DA201F@mac.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <14D08600-C557-46EC-BDA8-F25F86DA201F@mac.com> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:01:40 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Thanks man. I ask if you survived because the question popped up when my eng= lish teacher said he first went to college for music but said that it stripp= ed all the fun out of it for him so he changed his major. Kaylon On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:38 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > I make a living as a producer, mixer, session guitarist and singer... and o= ccasional private music teacher. >=20 > When there's external work on the table you do it with all the love inside= you... and, if you're good at what you do, that will lift the project beyon= d where even YOU thought it could go. That always surprises me. Having stuck= with it for the last 27 years has earned me enough of a reputation that now= I am lucky enough to get called for what I like doing and there is absolute= ly no pain whatsoever in being a pro... in fact, it's a joy in every way. It= wasn't always that way... that's called paying your dues, I guess. >=20 > The times when I have to find discipline is when I'm making my own music. I= f I have some time off from the pro aspect of my music, I do everything in m= y power to NOT look at that as time off, but rather, time to work on my stuf= f. When there's a good balance between the 2 worlds they seem to blend into o= ne thing and no extra than normal motivation is needed to go about doing wor= k for my own music or pro music. When there's a little too much pro stuff go= ing on sometimes I find myself either pining away for that personal music ti= me or burning the candle at both ends to keep the balance... which throws ot= her things, like sleep, out of balance. >=20 > So... to answer your question: I don't have to discipline my mind to remem= ber that I do music for love: that's a given. That's where everything starts= . In fact, only by doing what I love has the money ever come. It's when I st= art taking on projects I don't find attractive that the money dwindles. >=20 > I studied music in college and survived... I don't really understand that p= art of the question. I know there are a whole bunch of people out there who l= ike to poop on music school... I'm not one of them. Knowledge is a good thin= g. >=20 > Thanks for the post. Very interesting things to ponder. I love all the oth= er reply posts too.... >=20 > Teddy > http://teddyjam.com >=20 > On Feb 15, 2012, at 2:17 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: >=20 >> So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from my e= nglish teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external reward ca= n doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the best. T= he article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows its devel= opers to work on any project they want freely and through that, Gmail along= with many other crucial developed This post is directed especially to you m= usicians that make a living soley on music. What is it that keeps your motiv= ation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline your minds (if you do) to r= emember that you do this only for the love of music and not for money? Did a= ny of you study music in college and survive?=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 07:16:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05060183473; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 217772.69354.bm@omp1008.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1329376598; bh=TAurhZKiM0vB4o0+dsO1syawJR6iFAUzM9cZUt3x6+U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=m86WPK6IKM7UdmS2XXdENw1w2sF5s+vRS5BvQ6tTQnnCddKS8GFYoNnomzhuZFNbptAE0NXoACZr++eTCQX9O+DEtr4nU3nbHWH4TOGduQFDuhCNBf//ire4yvKFYAi8w54SvumR8ElQ1+K72CIGln+HXfgqQh0fugWKgAFv9VE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 36CqG6wVM1kM2gSb_tC2uMaJ.cK0e2qtCA6noe_KvX9qToK yBbywa34ZkL8FWuQ3T1wuno2RafDzGf22fq1H7FTHMQOEWR8YoGEZty9yV0F 2KpXBnIqwMsF1hlxWvOpT0YsE5JtRc8nj3grUY86NKv75dlqQNztNwLQokO2 AERyoF7.1_AWFReDfH7hcfG_1lYBItOOplO3hvaCp6CPkWSgwA7ATU65dKGM cTgRyfpJMymbL0coyK0Ze9cV9Lx1t2pi9V.NQpxAd2hePxGg89ccBswtXB92 Zwi6djvcbnukdBQ6jEXnHaZKBHCtgmVnVz30L5npAIw5fuo5gCl4qszTB_6L 3MihMAIjOXWHyMub4ZZN1sTGQr6RMYcFer1bfahH2CxLIkECdoDuAupuaHGa uAQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: My first bad-ish performance From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: <4f3c9387.a31a440a.297d.4d4f@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:16:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <34654755-7476-439C-96E7-1395B431DA98@att.net> References: <4f3c9387.a31a440a.297d.4d4f@mx.google.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi D,=20 One thing I've learned about performing is that sometimes you really = can't tell what's going on. I've had audiences tell me how wonderful and = moved they were by a performance I thought it wasn't so good, I felt = like I wasn't in it, and then I've done some that I thought were = "amazing" and had people tell me it was really good, but I didn't = understand how they wouldn't be knocked out! Now I just appreciate all = of it.=20 We are HUMAN - We are not ROBOTS! Too bad, though... It might be the idea that if you're so internalized by it, it's a = personal work, kind of private. Hard to put into words.=20 But you've got it, knowing that the audience doesn't know how you're = feeling, and obviously you did your "work" right and sent out the gift = anyway.=20 Congratulations! Laurie On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:26 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > I performed at youth group again tonight. It totally winged it. Haha I = cant even call it improvising it just felt like blah. Im greatful for it = tho because now i somewhat know how i react to unexpected "bad" = performances and it is really as traumatic as i sized it up to be. I = received quite a few compliments for it, though. Im glad to say I've = learned something new about myself in this musical journey :D >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 14:51:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DDDC183478; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Finally had a my first bad performance! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <4f3c8be5.c13b440a.1597.47b0@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:51:23 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4f3c8be5.c13b440a.1597.47b0@mx.google.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Good attitude. There is something to gain from every performance, even = if it's only "what not to do." On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:53 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > I just performed at my church for the second time. This has been i = think my 4th performance. I must say it was pretty bad in my opinion. = Creativity was just dead. Im quite greatful of it though. I feel like i = did a good job of not panicing and that alone boosts my confidence.=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:12:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 138AB183479; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=w0YTAxtlUgRWHKKryWyptPKsaXDi2WQ9375aJY7WFJg=; b=jccPPY/PgmAfd4SsM4XAF6l4TEkH6VPTXFaaOBjbGIRapZTa9RvBIre7BECOZ8orRJ nQTqOLOrM4QhaSDyRPKfBYyJJYPUpFB3CBW1h9d0ywY2QeFJUlotXjgOgH2fljz2fSfA lovv9LVAJ+HXDYgAndIAePPh0psseJ7sIrWHw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4f3c8be5.c13b440a.1597.47b0@mx.google.com> References: <4f3c8be5.c13b440a.1597.47b0@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:12:26 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finally had a my first bad performance! From: Rusty Perez To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Bad and good are all very subjective. You may have made mistakes, or omitions which you heard and recognized as mistakes, but others may not even have noticed. Most people don't listen as closely as we do, or as we would like them to listen. We all perform badly, in our own eyes, at times. You need to be careful when you get cockie. I love! seeing my own favorite performers goof up. It reminds me that they're human. I was at a u2 concert once and Bono started singing a song in the wrong key. I own a cd where Paul McCartney forgets the lyr3cs to a Beatles song. Welcome to an illustrious group!!! Rusty On 2/15/12, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > I just performed at my church for the second time. This has been i think my > 4th performance. I must say it was pretty bad in my opinion. Creativity was > just dead. Im quite greatful of it though. I feel like i did a good job of > not panicing and that alone boosts my confidence. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:14:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A100183489; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_zy2KZVxQZHoyoJslY91lvQ)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-16_06:2012-02-16,2012-02-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202160148 Subject: Re: Finally had a my first bad performance! From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:13:31 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-id: <314CFDA6-2E51-44B1-9042-6A1C2E1B6405@mac.com> References: <4f3c8be5.c13b440a.1597.47b0@mx.google.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:14:00 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_zy2KZVxQZHoyoJslY91lvQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I was once told that belly flops only sting the first 1000 times. 999 to go? :) Seriously though-- many seasoned performers on this list will tell you-- The way the audience receives your performance has little to do with the way it feels to deliver it. Unless of course, you reveal the struggling ego to the audience by throwing a fit or behaving badly while on stage. Just keep smiling and remember, its not you that you serve during a performance-- it the Muse and her Audience. Carpenters build houses on days when they have the sniffles. Their craft is not reduced because they did not feel so good on the day they drove the nails. Why should performance artists be any different. its a craft-- trust in it. Daniel On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:51 AM, David Gans wrote: > > > Good attitude. There is something to gain from every performance, even if it's only "what not to do." > > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:53 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > >> I just performed at my church for the second time. This has been i think my 4th performance. I must say it was pretty bad in my opinion. Creativity was just dead. Im quite greatful of it though. I feel like i did a good job of not panicing and that alone boosts my confidence. > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > --Boundary_(ID_zy2KZVxQZHoyoJslY91lvQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I was = once told that belly flops only sting the first 1000 times.  999 to = go?

:)  

Seriously = though--  many seasoned performers on this list will tell you-- =  The way the audience receives your performance has little to do = with the way it feels to deliver it.  Unless of course, you reveal = the struggling ego to the audience by throwing a fit or behaving badly = while on stage.  Just keep smiling and remember, its not = you that you serve during a performance-- it the Muse and = her Audience.   

Carpenters build = houses on days when they have the sniffles. Their craft is not reduced = because they did not feel so good on the day they drove the nails. =  Why should performance artists be any different.  its a = craft--  trust in = it.

Daniel 
On Feb 16, = 2012, at 6:51 AM, David Gans wrote:



Good attitude.  There is something to = gain from every performance, even if it's only "what not to = do."


On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:53 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com = wrote:

I just performed at my church = for the second time. This has been i think my 4th performance. I must = say it was pretty bad in my opinion. Creativity was just dead. Im quite = greatful of it though. I feel like i did a good job of not panicing and = that alone boosts my confidence.

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, = Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com=
Web site: http://www.dgans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/d= gans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans





= --Boundary_(ID_zy2KZVxQZHoyoJslY91lvQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:45:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3F4418347A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FS2mF4CVbXfnUJjwHpRTAJiWrRBhkdquXI3iDrR8Z+k=; b=uiRkxGee3G3VaRuZN09TWMgSDhji5py60xxaAs9HQWxsFNV/UoMuVKIJYTsLL0Daoc KJZUsYNLQBFZtMOQzavvjpTrg5tqalSYxMcUPptbRTR1bKJEQoyzRtUtuSoRBR7ciCbu 9Hoo+yuxQSSFmTSA0EmVxhJuQ5CUynBu8+KtA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14D08600-C557-46EC-BDA8-F25F86DA201F@mac.com> References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> <14D08600-C557-46EC-BDA8-F25F86DA201F@mac.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cdcadf224ab004b9178eb1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:45:27 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9cdcadf224ab004b9178eb1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Teddy good to know you are based in NY (I'm in Brooklyn). It's neat to know others in the community where are in the NY area. Watching your Loopestra video now. Congrats on your success in doing the commercial side. Lots of opinions on this in this thread which is cool and neat to hear everyone's perspectives. Jim http://soundcloud.com/jimgoodinmusic On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > I make a living as a producer, mixer, session guitarist and singer... and > occasional private music teacher. > > When there's external work on the table you do it with all the love insid= e > you... and, if you're good at what you do, that will lift the project > beyond where even YOU thought it could go. That always surprises me. Havi= ng > stuck with it for the last 27 years has earned me enough of a reputation > that now I am lucky enough to get called for what I like doing and there = is > absolutely no pain whatsoever in being a pro... in fact, it's a joy in > every way. It wasn't always that way... that's called paying your dues, I > guess. > > The times when I have to find discipline is when I'm making my own music. > If I have some time off from the pro aspect of my music, I do everything = in > my power to NOT look at that as time off, but rather, time to work on my > stuff. When there's a good balance between the 2 worlds they seem to blen= d > into one thing and no extra than normal motivation is needed to go about > doing work for my own music or pro music. When there's a little too much > pro stuff going on sometimes I find myself either pining away for that > personal music time or burning the candle at both ends to keep the > balance... which throws other things, like sleep, out of balance. > > So... to answer your question: I don't have to discipline my mind to > remember that I do music for love: that's a given. That's where everythin= g > starts. In fact, only by doing what I love has the money ever come. It's > when I start taking on projects I don't find attractive that the money > dwindles. > > I studied music in college and survived... I don't really understand that > part of the question. I know there are a whole bunch of people out there > who like to poop on music school... I'm not one of them. Knowledge is a > good thing. > > Thanks for the post. Very interesting things to ponder. I love all the > other reply posts too.... > > Teddy > http://teddyjam.com > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 2:17 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > > > So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from m= y > english teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external rewar= d > can doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the > best. The article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows > its developers to work on any project they want freely and through that, > Gmail along with many other crucial developed This post is directed > especially to you musicians that make a living soley on music. What is it > that keeps your motivation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline yo= ur > minds (if you do) to remember that you do this only for the love of music > and not for money? Did any of you study music in college and survive? > > > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --14dae9cdcadf224ab004b9178eb1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Teddy good to know you are based in NY (I'm in Brooklyn).=A0 It= 9;s neat to know others in the community where are in the NY area.=A0 Watch= ing your Loopestra video now.=A0 Congrats on your success in doing the comm= ercial side.=A0 Lots of opinions on this in this thread which is cool and n= eat to hear everyone's perspectives.
=A0
Jim


=A0
=
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Teddy Kumpel <= span dir=3D"ltr"><teddykumpel@mac= .com> wrote:
I make a living as a producer, mixer, session guitarist an= d singer... and occasional private music teacher.

When there's external work on the table you do it with all the love ins= ide you... and, if you're good at what you do, that will lift the proje= ct beyond where even YOU thought it could go. That always surprises me. Hav= ing stuck with it for the last 27 years has earned me enough of a reputatio= n that now I am lucky enough to get called for what I like doing and there = is absolutely no pain whatsoever in being a pro... in fact, it's a joy = in every way. It wasn't always that way... that's called paying you= r dues, I guess.

The times when I have to find discipline is when I'm making my own musi= c. If I have some time off from the pro aspect of my music, I do everything= in my power to NOT look at that as time off, but rather, time to work on m= y stuff. When there's a good balance between the 2 worlds they seem to = blend into one thing and no extra than normal motivation is needed to go ab= out doing work for my own music or pro music. When there's a little too= much pro stuff going on sometimes I find myself either pining away for tha= t personal music time or burning the candle at both ends to keep the balanc= e... which throws other things, like sleep, out of balance.

So... to answer your question: I don't have to discipline my mind to re= member that I do music for love: that's a given. That's where every= thing starts. In fact, only by doing what I love has the money ever come. I= t's when I start taking on projects I don't find attractive that th= e money dwindles.

I studied music in college and survived... I don't really understand th= at part of the question. I know there are a whole bunch of people out there= who like to poop on music school... I'm not one of them. Knowledge is = a good thing.

Thanks for the post. Very interesting things to ponder. I love all the othe= r reply posts too....

Teddy
http://teddyjam.com

On Feb 15, 2012, at 2:17 PM, k3zz21@gma= il.com wrote:

> So we (the class) literally just finished listining to a lecture from = my english teacher about motivation. He was talking about how external rewa= rd can doom us for failure and how its self directed motive that works the = best. The article we read said that Google has one day a week that allows i= ts developers to work on any project they want freely and through that, Gma= il =A0along with many other crucial developed This post is directed especia= lly to you musicians that make a living soley on music. What is it that kee= ps your motivation and creativity fresh? How do you discipline your minds (= if you do) to remember that you do this only for the love of music and not = for money? Did any of you study music in college and survive?
>




--
--=A0<= /div>
Tips Across the Waters, a = new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--14dae9cdcadf224ab004b9178eb1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 18:02:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E714A183478; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F3D44BC.6020305@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:02:36 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:02:46 +0000 (UTC) On 2/15/12 5:46 PM, richard sales wrote: > > The pain of watching that started to bring it all together for me. > They loved music but had torqued it into a theoretical cash cow. I > realized, if they only stuck with the love it would be totally and > forever rewarding. > > I can't imagine how powerful that revelation could be for a teacher or > professor! Yikes! This is so true and really runs parallel with my experiences. Everyone who calculated what they would make being a musician ended up not doing it in the long run. All the ones I know who love it more than anything seem to keep doing it. Thanks for articulating this so beautifully, Richard.......another thoughtful piece of wisdom from you. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 18:12:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DB9B183473; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:11:50 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gmail CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:12:00 +0000 (UTC) On 2/15/12 10:01 PM, Gmail wrote: > Thanks man. I ask if you survived because the question popped up when my english teacher said he first went to college for music but said that it stripped all the fun out of it for him so he changed his major. It's interesting that you say this. I've had so many students go off to music colleges at the end of their high school experience and I've heard so many stories about how that experienced really got in the way of their experience of the music they loved (not all, of course). It's always occurred to me: you could save so much money if you found an accomplished musician in your area and took intensive lessons from them (2-5 a week) in a sort of musical boot camp that would give you such a much deeper and richer experience......forcing you to learn at a much higher rate. You would not end up with a degree doing this, but that degree is really only useful if you intend to teach music in a learning institution. I've had several students take 'bootcamp' classes from me........several a week of really intensive study. They always learn a tremendous amount in a short amount of time......and we're talking hundreds of dollars or perhaps a few thousand dollars NOT tens of thousands of dollars which is what Music College or Universities will set you back. On top of that, you have constant feedback and personal attention for your process which is very difficult to get in a place like , say, the Berklee School of Music. The one thing that you might miss out on in this example would be the high caliber of fellow students that you'd encounter at a place like Berklee or Julliard (or any other good musical University). rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 18:24:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD300183479; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=btJtotYBcnUwYEqXdKKrlmP9DCUEHEF5l+YzqriPdQE=; b=bzcI2rUT/YGykFR7nWwShnbZib64MHWTQ/aIy8kQCukJGCEiOPORd5m5hyvpUR7HhO fADVHZ4QoHEG0YBa32U07ZZDXYCeEBbrpbtV5y1iXVL/J45EGHhp41FGR0+S3twWj10S kBqNrTd1uI8IMjikN3yCkBAZH28Tw4xO1wGWY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:24:14 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SHKu9-N9CcJHKN-MvgVnxXUQXF8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22beefa12c0304b918f096 Resent-Message-ID: <3048a.A.Pg.jnUPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:24:35 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22beefa12c0304b918f096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I can reccommend an excellent drum and percussion teacher in Santa Cruz that would fit such a bill! On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 2/15/12 10:01 PM, Gmail wrote: > you could save so much money if you found an accomplished musician > in your area and took intensive lessons from them (2-5 a week) in a sort > of musical boot camp > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f22beefa12c0304b918f096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can reccommend an excellent drum and percussion teacher in Santa Cruz tha= t would fit such a bill!

On Thu, Feb 16, = 2012 at 7:11 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 2/15/12 10:01 PM, Gmail wrote:
you co= uld save so much money if you found an accomplished musician
in your area and took intensive lessons from them (2-5 a week) in a sort of= musical boot camp

--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--e89a8f22beefa12c0304b918f096-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 18:48:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F7E1183479; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P8coQ9/p1hC4s6FCn94GXzWBYnhC991I0Xvzx/KIzFM=; b=l0JQ8KBsnH1Cvyw1DxQ8dTVeYnzDd7PYNb1/nTg0CsQdHbbt7UixqeiR+a1zTIZK0S koLrJjqN3vKms7THyjMCKsTYAWpbp+txViAITtLExBXBFWYvQT0b0guTTlR7QqStmi4E Fi2I95P4nXkJdGFZbGPtrMIqtvGdhUgLgW1EE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:47:59 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:48:00 +0000 (UTC) I totally understand it. I was a music major for about a month in college. While learning the theory was good, I also found it was taking out the sense of wonder that's a major appeal of music to me. I decided instead to be "self-taught". Even though: --I never learned to read music, which is like being an American who doesn't know English --I never developed the muscle accuracy that many musicians have --I don't know the chords or advanced theory --I knew I was giving up on the idea of being a professional musician ...I felt that if I knew how it would all worked, it would cease to be interesting to me. So instead, I took one piano class to teach me some nuts and bolts, then went out on my own, so to speak. I'm still glad I did, because: --I still think music is interesting. --I got to spend the same amount of time focusing on the elements of music that fascinated me, like sound color, using different sound generation techniques, saturation, etc. --I don't feel like I'm competing with other musicians on a continuum of best to worst. [Not saying that most people do, but it's something I used to do, and I didn't measure up too well.] :) --In many cases, the things I don't know in music are opportunities to explore at my own pace, and only if I want to. --I like the idea of musicians having different skill sets and areas of specialty. --15 or so years in, I can honestly say I have a unique sound identity. Not good or bad, necessarily, but I definitely sound like me. That's the kind of musician I hoped to be when I got started. (Though younger me thought I'd be more technically proficient.) --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > Kaylon went: >> >> Thanks man. I ask if you survived because the question popped up when my >> english teacher said he first went to college for music but said that it >> stripped all the fun out of it for him so he changed his major. > Then Rick Walker was all: > It's interesting that you say this. > > I've had so many students go off to music colleges at the end of their hi= gh > school experience > and I've heard so many stories about how that experienced really got in t= he > way of their > experience of the music they loved (not all, of course). > > It's always occurred to me: =A0 =A0 =A0you could save so much money if yo= u found > an accomplished musician > in your area and took intensive lessons from them (2-5 a week) in a sort = of > musical boot camp > that would give you such a much deeper and richer experience......forcing > you to learn at a much higher > rate. =A0 =A0 =A0You would not end up with a degree doing this, but that = degree is > really only useful if you > intend to teach music in a learning institution. > > I've had several students take 'bootcamp' =A0classes from me........sever= al a > week of really intensive study. > They always learn a tremendous amount in a short amount of time......and > we're talking hundreds of dollars > or perhaps a few thousand dollars NOT tens of thousands of dollars which = is > what Music College or Universities will set you back. > > On top of that, =A0you have constant feedback and personal attention for = your > process which is very difficult to get in a place like , say, the Berklee > School of Music. > > The one thing that you might miss out on in this example would be the hig= h > caliber of fellow students that you'd encounter at a place like Berklee o= r > Julliard (or any other good musical University). > > rick walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 19:17:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7895418347A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F3D5659.6000807@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:17:45 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:17:55 +0000 (UTC) http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/a-neuroscientist-debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/ Interesting and thought provoking........not sure whether I agree or not but it sure raises a lot of questions. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 19:25:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A57F2183479; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Octotrack versus Live References: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <25516677-66FD-4908-B690-9E0B407CD5B4@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:24:41 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Hello, After performing with Live a few times I am considering not having a compute= r on stage anymore. Walking over to the beast to load the next song, being d= rawn into the screen, just takes away from "being here now" with the public.= Plus I had a couple of nothing is happening let's reboot experiences. How does the octotrack perform switching from one piece to the next. Do you h= ave to manipulate or can you just send a pg change? Can you have more than 8= prerecorded parts ready to go at the reception of a midi message? Does it f= eel more solid? How does it perform as a looper? How do you Live guys switch pieces without turning techie? Antony Hequet Poet composer On 13 f=C3=A9vr. 2012, at 11:35, Per Boysen wrote: > Better way is to plan your setup around latency. Actions that depend > on correct timing can still be addressed with a direct control. > Actions that are quantized in a looper shouldn't be assigned to > Kapture either because the looper needs to know the given command a > bit in advance. It's just like tuning a tempered instrument; balance > the quirks to make a good enough performance possible ;-) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Philip Conway > wrote: >> That thing is indeed rather amazing. The only issue is that latency buil= ds >> up with large amounts of parameters being changed but maybe that's better= on >> a faster machine (my trusty but creaky six year old macbook is nearing >> retirement age!). It also makes me realise that I really need to learn >> Max/MSP. >>=20 >>=20 >> Philip. >>=20 >>=20 >> --On 12 February 2012 23:35 +0100 Per Boysen wrote:= >>=20 >>> I just looked a little deeper into the Max for Live device Kapture. >>> This device offers instant recall. It lets you record and store >>> snapshots of the whole mixer plus devices settings. And this includes >>> looping plugins too! Can you see the tremendous performance power in >>> this for live looping musicians? You can totally design your own >>> looping interface like you want it. Simply decide on what control >>> commands you want, set up mixer and plugins for that and snag a >>> snapshot of it. For some snapshots you may deselect a lot of mixer >>> parameters and only have the snapshot recall the looper's settings, or >>> maybe just one of many loopers you are using. >>>=20 >>> Snapshots can be activated in two ways. First, you mouse the drop-down >>> menu of the Kapture plugin's GUI. Second, you launch an empty clip in >>> Live that has the same name as the Kapture snapshot it's meant to >>> activate. This gives that you can handle a very complex performance >>> setup with only three MIDI pedals: Scene Up, Scene Down and Scene >>> Launch. Compare that to the classic way of assigning one pedal switch >>> for each function. Over here I will keep my 80 pedals (8 Gordius banks >>> of 10 each) and just assign three of them for Kapture. Then I'll see >>> whee this takes me. >>>=20 >>> I just checked with Augustus Loop and every damn parameter in the >>> looper is captured by Kapture. Finally this is opening up a way to use >>> this wonderful looper plugin IRL. My issue with Augustus have always >>> been that I can't press all buttons for all things I want to make >>> happen at once. The EDP functionality design is easier to use but >>> lacks some cool stuff you can do with Augustus. With Augustus it >>> typically makes sense to keep a direct MIDI binding to the Freeze >>> Button, besides this Kapture Snapshot system. >>>=20 >>> Finally, you may rework your setup very quickly in a modular way. Just >>> move around the live clips for different Kapture snapshots. You may >>> put several rows of them in Live's Session View (the data >>> spreadsheat-like interface) so that one Scene (all clips at the same >>> horizontal level) will only launch these Snapshot Clips. Very useful, >>> especially if you work on many projects and has an issue remembering >>> the different setups. Here you can simply read it on the screen, or >>> easily memorize it visually before a concert. >>>=20 >>> FYI I can tell that this total recall approach for many years has been >>> the base for the French software looper Logeloop as well as for >>> Numerology. In those two apps "saving a preset" takes a snapshot of >>> everything, just like this Kapture thing. One thing I will start >>> fiddling around with now, using Augustus Loop and Kapture, is to work >>> with long bows of slow speed shifts, as this looper offers >>> non-quantized continuous speed/pitch shift. I did some of that on the >>> album with Erdem but until this Kapture I've seen a live concert tool >>> that would allow experimenting with it on stage (except for Logeloop, >>> but I can't run many of my tone shaping plugins in that Max built >>> looper so Live currently works better for me). >>>=20 >>> Ok, signing off now. Just wanted to mention this if someone out there >>> also has been looking for these kind of tools. Oh, I should mention >>> that instant recall of everything is not all snappy. At least not >>> according to a discussion on the Max For Live forum. Some users there >>> report that not all settings change at the same time. But I'm not sure >>> that should seen as a showstopper, after all Plastikman uses Kapture >>> every night to coordinate both Ableton Live mix mashup improvisation >>> and synced video. >>>=20 >>> Greetings from Sweden >>>=20 >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 19:28:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4480718348A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1nMtrw326h8Ltaln5pfcv674qXiBNPZiBnxC+lRRYYE=; b=syp52OI1LYVEpcQXFgpjSb5K4UE3dLWCTmrl44YVmXX0VV8fHyAJy2+GYgjiGZBshZ nLytmOIQhy2d3/uNwO+m1AirkR+oG5hbwOdzhX+BXV22/PYL+I9Dij+SVq4ecQKn93Uq TNnUaryhocjIcZ4MOKENIwBVdkWr/RNE7i9kU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <25516677-66FD-4908-B690-9E0B407CD5B4@orange.fr> References: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <25516677-66FD-4908-B690-9E0B407CD5B4@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:28:52 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octotrack versus Live From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:28:53 +0000 (UTC) i'd be interested in hearing more about the octatrack as well. the last i heard, it didn't have the software to allow you to use it as a conventional looper with a footswitch...although they said it was coming.... On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: > Hello, > After performing with Live a few times I am considering not having a computer on stage anymore. Walking over to the beast to load the next song, being drawn into the screen, just takes away from "being here now" with the public. > Plus I had a couple of nothing is happening let's reboot experiences. > How does the octotrack perform switching from one piece to the next. Do you have to manipulate or can you just send a pg change? Can you have From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 19:30:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1AFE18348A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=bUoBNEOLDCMNlwdbhEPuGfedyOCXZdr1sQ2pyM4tLdk=; b=xyxgRpD8DaiQz1589Sx2D6tmw8k8WTQtfq8VLwdoNbOsgplzLIx9ak/dGxdu6uCWgG Pn2wqzcCJ7LKq63ph2TPMjowX5b3zna1qzHV4Ely6PApPfTPzTLjBOF4K5PFr6lr/Ncy AZm/Zs0skmLb5AqyMH8nvaS/6s4vGTDC3tZoY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:29:38 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: voVbU6rrVoplquBdP9pZ7G4uOZc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22beef841bd704b919da68 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:30:01 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22beef841bd704b919da68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Have to say it... although learning to play music is better "in situ"... while actually playing it, either with friends or with a personal mentor.. gotta be... no denying it... ...I don't think anyone should be advising people to "not take an education". And DONT SAY IT.. its so f***ing obvious to say, "but you dont learn what you need to at college, the software will be out of date before I leave, better to be self taught nah nah nah" BULL... scuse me but really SHIT! Education at a higher level has never been or will ever be about learning FACTS. And even if it is, I dont believe its possible or bad to NOT know MORE! In what way can learning about scales or harmony, stop you from playing... are you a robot? do you HAVE to DO everything you learn? Why are any of us on LD right now..? Carefull you might learn something and ruin your experimental edge... Believe me Ive heard this from people. Lasse Marhaug, one of the most respected Noise musicians said this to me once... "Oh I cant play any instrument" he boasted proudly.. "rubbish" I said, "you are a virtuoso stompbox and weird circuit player!" My time in college (ok NOT music, but art... just as useless) taught me NOTHING of what I do now in my day job... But every single thing I do IN MY LIFE... stems from that insanely creative and fulfilling time I had there... I was working from 8:30 (when it opened) till 20:00 when it closed... from then untill 3 in the morning was spent with college friends smoking dope and discussing everything under the sun... I was away from home for the first time, was in 4 bands at the same time, was active in CND and the local Anarchists group... Now, if the WHOLE point of Ricks suggestion NOT to go to college but to hire a private teacher (not a bad idea too, I have NO fault with that) was financially motivated (I dont think it was but he mentioned it...) That it cost alot to go to college.. then all I can say it... No it doesnt... not ANYWHERE but America remember... you guys are the only people that have to actually PAY to go to college... of course we have student loans here, so in effect you pay something, but a tiny fraction of what you guys do... education is seen as a right and a resource in Europe. EVERYONE goes to college in Norway... But thats not my point... when I look at my own (step) kids, they are so apathetic and both have basically given up college, here in Norway we have 100% employment so everyone can get a job (if the want one) so they would rather get a crappy job and earn enough for a few beers at the weekend, becaue they attach college with "getting a job"... well they got one.. so we dont need college... Forget it... Its got fucking NOTHING to do with getting a job, its about growing up and continuing to grow up, teaching youself that there more to life than work and play. Theres living and learning and experiencing too... Go to college.. do philosophy, music, art, fucking cookery.. whatever... its gonna be worth it... My answer to the guy who started this thread is... whatever it feels like, that its not quite right, or not what you expected.. just throw yourself in... pull all the threads that are there, talk to like minded students, start something else in the evenings.... USE the time you have at college to figure out what you are doing... and make it happen... it doesnt have to be about what they do or dont teach you, its about what you manage to achieve in those few precious years that are devoted you YOU... YOURSELF... Have a great time at college! ( and wear a condom!) Sorry for the rant, but Ive got to 20 somethings to contend with here, that can't get out of bed, fucking hell what are they missing...? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f22beef841bd704b919da68 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have to say it... although learning to play music is better "in situ&q= uot;... while actually playing it, either with friends or with a personal m= entor.. gotta be... no denying it...
...I don't think anyone should = be advising people to "not take an education".

And DONT SAY IT.. its so f***ing obvious to say, "but you dont lea= rn what you need to at college, the software will be out of date before I l= eave, better to be self taught nah nah nah"
BULL... scuse me but r= eally SHIT!

Education at a higher level has never been or will ever be about learni= ng FACTS. And even if it is, I dont believe its possible or bad to NOT know= MORE!

In what way can learning about scales or harmony, stop you f= rom playing... are you a robot? do you HAVE to DO everything you learn? Why= are any of us on LD right now..?
Carefull you might learn something and ruin your experimental edge...
B= elieve me Ive heard this from people. Lasse Marhaug, one of the most respec= ted Noise musicians said this to me once... "Oh I cant play any instru= ment" he boasted proudly.. "rubbish" I said, "you are a= virtuoso stompbox and weird circuit player!"

My time in college (ok NOT music, but art... just as useless) taught me= NOTHING of what I do now in my day job... But every single thing I do IN M= Y LIFE... stems from that insanely creative and fulfilling time I had there= ... I was working from 8:30 (when it opened) till 20:00 when it closed... f= rom then untill 3 in the morning was spent with college friends smoking dop= e and discussing everything under the sun... I was away from home for the f= irst time, was in 4 bands at the same time, was active in CND and the local= Anarchists group...

Now, if the WHOLE point of Ricks suggestion NOT to go to college but to= hire a private teacher (not a bad idea too, I have NO fault with that) was= financially motivated (I dont think it was but he mentioned it...) That it= cost alot to go to college.. then all I can say it...

No it doesnt... not ANYWHERE but America remember... you guys are the o= nly people that have to actually PAY to go to college... of course we have = student loans here, so in effect you pay something, but a tiny fraction of = what you guys do... education is seen as a right and a resource in Europe. =
EVERYONE goes to college in Norway...

But thats not my point... when= I look at my own (step) kids, they are so apathetic and both have basicall= y given up college, here in Norway we have 100% employment so everyone can = get a job (if the want one) so they would rather get a crappy job and earn = enough for a few beers at the weekend, becaue they attach college with &quo= t;getting a job"... well they got one.. so we dont need college...
Forget it... Its got fucking NOTHING to do with getting a job, its about gr= owing up and continuing to grow up, teaching youself that there more to lif= e than work and play. Theres living and learning and experiencing too...
Go to college.. do philosophy, music, art, fucking cookery.. whatever..= . its gonna be worth it...

My answer to the guy who started this thr= ead is... whatever it feels like, that its not quite right, or not what you= expected.. just throw yourself in... pull all the threads that are there, = talk to like minded students, start something else in the evenings.... USE = the time you have at college to figure out what you are doing... and make i= t happen... it doesnt have to be about what they do or dont teach you, its = about what you manage to achieve in those few precious years that are devot= ed you YOU... YOURSELF...

Have a great time at college! ( and wear a condom!)

Sorry for th= e rant, but Ive got to 20 somethings to contend with here, that can't g= et out of bed, fucking hell what are they missing...?




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--e89a8f22beef841bd704b919da68-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 19:36:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3C3F18348A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 423329.79353.bm@omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1329421005; bh=LRWd70S8uwHFoibhqEcldGyQ5pYY0dwjZHGu1SIeQuc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o64AkDK9aLcgdzKoFgaoPaRkiKj1BVLKsyIKQCfH0zP02DAVLmFhYjJlXiysybAaQT+zPXfghQyZogJzkAycgjxBcFXtPtdt7fkggdYAlpWfd5i2aUB+oQBCgwPLepTJfLuoGfirCzkdaxiLKNW5R0wEnhQFOOaHz+XLjYpkdss= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cK4N1T8K33+ERqAkxcbu0qzebrYVf7DAp5RdZ9aTC3SlYADpAKBjjZoAPb6qXnCFUMj63MGu6gCUik+tAd45FQBMD6GaNMn+62DrUdDgZrxBss29HpPHBpGLdSTm9X4SliKwNvxr61Z3WIwJjqJmqNj2NEC0Kg1G+XObXlRgtlQ=; X-YMail-OSG: xa9.ZHcVM1lqOSDTAzAinbm7G7D_dNuVEX3Y6CSzC0qdZmS P7a4v.TmuDvF5gz009oQCH3cRn_3aC8aGTQOGeFkbOyIyRg5aYZmhtkJRZ7S C7u_.O0d4dtybQqEWSiQj_3hGtuZanSPuOU03Lb99TaWfTUJflr.xAhrlr39 6SiJxeCB0VxYZHEp2Bx96UQRydEzslNltYso6j1IcVDOWkCpqXnBwtq4g9PG YjISqb9DZ1hx2j7bwqKuf4ZbDVNzUlq_jHVic8A.TZtACVrXnGJKiK7UQvxF jK904WMQtO2V13xMScHkESwPpipenzueTjq_NPQT9oAH08idss8Nu9ntHzGM OJ79ecIbkGVrODKU68FsOIxviDNkid5GN9qujxs3_RZ3YOGXZUCvr1C.R5fk egteKqAoFt0.vCa7K9iUJ1iDGgQ__0UopxPwj112eqTQ.u6_ov4.VW6eYrTt e3R62tak5BUj_5w_9p9FR1g-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1329421004.5645.YahooMailNeo@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:36:44 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-495408613-1026969622-1329421004=:5645" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:36:46 +0000 (UTC) ---495408613-1026969622-1329421004=:5645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have found that accredited music teachers often exert personal constrints= on thier students. Case in point? A country musician bass player who taugh= t at the local middle/high school came up to me during a break at a live ba= nd rock dance. I had mixed his band a lot and on good terms. The rock/n/rol= l break music caused him to comment, "canyou believe this garbage?" I told = him I pitied his students. Class dismissed. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rick Walker =0ATo: Gmail =0ACc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com" =0ASent: Thursday, Febru= ary 16, 2012 10:11 AM=0ASubject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of = music=0A=0AOn 2/15/12 10:01 PM, Gmail wrote:=0A> Thanks man. I ask if you s= urvived because the question popped up when my english teacher said he firs= t went to college for music but said that it stripped all the fun out of it= for him so he changed his major.=0AIt's interesting that you say this.=0A= =0AI've had so many students go off to music colleges at the end of their h= igh school experience=0Aand I've heard so many stories about how that exper= ienced really got in the way of their=0Aexperience of the music they loved = (not all, of course).=0A=0AIt's always occurred to me:=A0 =A0 =A0 you could= save so much money if you found an accomplished musician=0Ain your area an= d took intensive lessons from them (2-5 a week) in a sort of musical boot c= amp=0Athat would give you such a much deeper and richer experience......for= cing you to learn at a much higher=0Arate.=A0 =A0 =A0 You would not end up = with a degree doing this, but that degree is really only useful if you=0Ain= tend to teach music in a learning institution.=0A=0AI've had several studen= ts take 'bootcamp'=A0 classes from me........several a week of really inten= sive study.=0AThey always learn a tremendous amount in a short amount of ti= me......and we're talking hundreds of dollars=0Aor perhaps a few thousand d= ollars NOT tens of thousands of dollars which is what Music College or Univ= ersities will set you back.=0A=0AOn top of that,=A0 you have constant feedb= ack and personal attention for your process which is very difficult to get = in a place like , say, the Berklee School of Music.=0A=0AThe one thing that= you might miss out on in this example would be the high caliber of fellow = students that you'd encounter at a place like Berklee or Julliard (or any o= ther good musical University).=0A=0Arick walker ---495408613-1026969622-1329421004=:5645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have found that accredited music teachers often exert personal constrints= on thier students. Case in point? A country musician bass player who taugh= t at the local middle/high school came up to me during a break at a live ba= nd rock dance. I had mixed his band a lot and on good terms. The rock/n/rol= l break music caused him to comment, "canyou believe this garbage?&quo= t; I told him I pitied his students. Class dismissed.=0D
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From: Rick W= alker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com>
Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= ; <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:11 AM
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject: Re: Re: To those who = make a living off of music

=0AOn 2/15/12 10:01 PM, G= mail wrote:
> Thanks man. I ask if you survived because the question = popped up when my english teacher said he first went to college for music b= ut said that it stripped all the fun out of it for him so he changed his ma= jor.
It's interesting that you say this.

I've had so many student= s go off to music colleges at the end of their high school experience
an= d I've heard so many stories about how that experienced really got in the w= ay of their
experience of the music they loved (not all, of course).
=
It's always occurred to me:      you could save so much = money if you found an accomplished musician
in your area and took intens= ive lessons from them (2-5 a week) in a sort of musical boot camp
that w= ould give you such a much deeper and richer experience......forcing you to = learn at a much higher
rate.      You would not end up wi= th a degree doing this, but that degree is really only useful if you
intend to teach music in a learning instituti= on.

I've had several students take 'bootcamp'  classes from me.= .......several a week of really intensive study.
They always learn a tre= mendous amount in a short amount of time......and we're talking hundreds of= dollars
or perhaps a few thousand dollars NOT tens of thousands of doll= ars which is what Music College or Universities will set you back.

O= n top of that,  you have constant feedback and personal attention for = your process which is very difficult to get in a place like , say, the Berk= lee School of Music.

The one thing that you might miss out on in thi= s example would be the high caliber of fellow students that you'd encounter= at a place like Berklee or Julliard (or any other good musical University)= .

rick walker



---495408613-1026969622-1329421004=:5645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 19:40:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A66918347A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mPy2lbl7J6auWh9AGWJ8lOUIRO1QHM2MiTqAa9J7G2c=; b=OqTEAxnCNT9Y7DeHurQxB07QbKqN5eQSwffMO+c90XRp1ddRWhABdu0TWUE7Sq13pF 9DMFsqiMvaL5Z1XdkeuyWBKaBGZ4MKSx+yr2N2aW3p+438YSUtmeQmI3kf8UyBzaBT2Z Dp7ZFudCw8nr+82Tb/tUXTn+GeD9lWFxU+hmg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:40:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:40:02 +0000 (UTC) >> Kaylon went: >>> >>> Thanks man. I ask if you survived because the question popped up when my >>> english teacher said he first went to college for music but said that it >>> stripped all the fun out of it for him so he changed his major. If you know music I wouldn't imagine it can much difference to take a formal education or not to. Well, meeting inspiring people at a school could of course be a good thing, if that happens. Myself I have always avoided music schools though. Not for any ideology reason but just because they have seemed so boring (compared to just making music right away). Never understood how you can educate yourself to make music. I didn't need to learn scoring notes either because when I checked out what notations was I found out that I already knew how to do it. Same with scales, chord and theory. It's all in music and if you listen to music you hear all that. More interesting to me then are the emotions that lurk between notes, qualities that are difficult to notate. And it seems those things are more important than anything in both amateur and professional music, so that should be your focus if you intend to work in music. I'm not at all against musical education, I just don't think it makes much difference for your prospering musical abilities. But of course... if you play a certain instrument you will gain several years development time by learning form a person that knows all the tricks of that particular instrument. But can't that be achieved way faster by taking a handful private lessons than going to a school? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 19:48:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F84F183486; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Y8idAtQTIHk2MXG8qsUw4TraxEOrmGyR/QNzUZNs2hU=; b=KEziiElCoN04Zruc/rj/WSQ554dVnTdzWNto8+PVIATvRDkBelEsFeY1q5ZYzXuE1x J4iOx9cd4JHzhV4XvtxK+zmBJG3gf5l4R3mEga+MGD1SqSaX3BSAYOkEgUY2Q7tQgVGG MhjQtQixxuqonfC9oimRnxAHys1EV8FeDEZ94= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <25516677-66FD-4908-B690-9E0B407CD5B4@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:48:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octotrack versus Live From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Me too am totally not going the laptop route when I get the cash to build looping rig again. This octatrack sounds and looks good. Anders on the list has been using it quite a lot, maybe he could chime in here...? 2012/2/16 Simeon Harris : > i'd be interested in hearing more about the octatrack as well. the > last i heard, it didn't have the software to allow you to use it as a > conventional looper with a footswitch...although they said it was > coming.... > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: >> Hello, >> After performing with Live a few times I am considering not having a computer on stage anymore. Walking over to the beast to load the next song, being drawn into the screen, just takes away from "being here now" with the public. >> Plus I had a couple of nothing is happening let's reboot experiences. >> How does the octotrack perform switching from one piece to the next. Do you have to manipulate or can you just send a pg change? Can you have > -- Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 19:53:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECBF1183478; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c8qsDZHkj8+UsYIBHloXTHD7FklSIQAJNfp8K46t9yI=; b=Yr0fnj07knaXaeatWWHCtEki7DmDVnAMrfu43v8PLoTyH+PWGe/X0uyr3ysKmrs096 fvlb9TfdR2pN9v8WiT5e/2Z4ql25ehfQ+d9t999nlZGnE4myk0LQ0nI/dR70FreGW7ps 8xQSm+Rppk9A15pje9vwXxoYo3DRsTCQlZ8FA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25516677-66FD-4908-B690-9E0B407CD5B4@orange.fr> References: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <25516677-66FD-4908-B690-9E0B407CD5B4@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:53:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octotrack versus Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:53:13 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: > How do you Live guys switch pieces without turning techie? I really don't regard myself an Ableton Live Guys, but I have indeed used Live on a laptop for some concerts. My way of switching pieces is to kick a pedal. That pedal is assigned to Scene Down. I have a second assigned to Scene Up and then I third to Launch Scene. That's it. I double up those pedals with mixer buttons for hands that does the same three things, in case it turns out more convenient to do it that way. With Scenes you can change both tempo and time measure that way with just one pedal kick. My system is that certain scenes start songs and then I put whatever needed in between - oh, I should tell that I only work in the Session View when playing live. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 20:20:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A641518348F; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r86FtIwJlpTvBXz+XaF83M8W9JF23xM7D1MAFO/dbN4=; b=fx3riCEUU1DKWUC630qOhgH3BkvMIc8DANNiQjJC2ytx/4lKxw6xI/Mf8kh6nWujt2 x7z3h5E1TjasIGqLgmLwT2GqQfk6Oc0khWKrV5Ufx23OldWN0wIRM1g/R6/YLuEhwimq QTrjq9gGp9Y/MGMjM+fhtIYcXAOhJxONFzxzM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F3D5659.6000807@cruzio.com> References: <4F3D5659.6000807@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:20:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:20:57 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/a-neuroscientist-debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/ > > > Interesting and thought provoking........not sure whether I agree or not but > it > sure raises a lot of questions. Thanks, that was interesting! My own experience is that learning becomes easier the older you get. But it only works if you're leading a learning life in general. And it's not because you become "smarter" with age but because your brain can make more synapse associations for each new step. Instead of drawing a totally new knowledge map in there the older brain just goes "ok-been-there-done-that-been-there-as-well... DANG!!!! Ah, that's new so let's connect here, here and here". It hooks up new stuff to old experience, but a little bit differently this time. Just my personal theory. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 20:24:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C439183477; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Octotrack versus Live References: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <25516677-66FD-4908-B690-9E0B407CD5B4@orange.fr> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:21:53 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:24:05 +0000 (UTC) So you have everything built into one giant piece with subsections then? Antony Hequet Poet composer On 16 f=C3=A9vr. 2012, at 20:53, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Antony Hequet w= rote: >> How do you Live guys switch pieces without turning techie? >=20 >=20 >=20 > I really don't regard myself an Ableton Live Guys, but I have indeed > used Live on a laptop for some concerts. My way of switching pieces is > to kick a pedal. >=20 > That pedal is assigned to Scene Down. I have a second assigned to > Scene Up and then I third to Launch Scene. That's it. I double up > those pedals with mixer buttons for hands that does the same three > things, in case it turns out more convenient to do it that way. >=20 > With Scenes you can change both tempo and time measure that way with > just one pedal kick. My system is that certain scenes start songs and > then I put whatever needed in between - oh, I should tell that I only > work in the Session View when playing live. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 20:36:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D306A18347A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F3D68B0.1090703@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:36:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #775 for February 9, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:36:04 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120209.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #775 February 9, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8313 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Red Book" on NeuHarmony Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#feb PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Mark Jenkins Foreboding The iPad Album (AMP) Mark Jenkins Roadrunner The iPad Album (AMP) Oystein Jorgensen Alpha Centauri Imagine (Auraltone Music) Spacecraft Hummel Hummel (Lektronic Soundscapes) Cyber Zen Sound No East, No West Cooperation (none) Engine Dan Pound Release Cocoon (Poundsounds) Circle Salenius Miljard (Ektro) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Nagle Multitude Red Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Tomb in Darkness Red Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Sack of Money, Red Book (NeuHarmony) Buddah Paul Nagle A Night at the Opera Red Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Chant & Deliver Red Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Tomb in Darkness Red Book (NeuHarmony) Part 2 Paul Nagle The Goddess of Red Book (NeuHarmony) Democracy Paul Nagle Strange Times Red Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle From Space Red Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Shanghai Surprise Red Book (NeuHarmony) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Blue Book" on NeuHarmony Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 20:38:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7589718347A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=t6EEE6HyMT6x9XyF0lvRCAVQlOGRBnyPEMKn96xSM7Y=; b=jmzmtTTmJer5vbhgCgdP8EkkC4u2Ky8lM+zxFvx3/WjK4TkVUG4kEL/IjrFYX3OY6j f43liH8t9i5y2cz/DqjotABYPAWUylYS4YAaK3C8s/tjm5KDX0/rvsUc2Ro8V8G/7d4e aTqC53KyqEHAtdRvHlcOSpuVRg5AnfAU5+FPk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <25516677-66FD-4908-B690-9E0B407CD5B4@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:38:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octotrack versus Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:38:59 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: > So you have everything built into one giant piece with subsections then? I use one session view setup, yes. Last concert, down in Instanbul, we did ten or twelve pieces and I had set the clips to go "next" all the way, like a vertical scrolling down. Each piece stops when the last row of clips have played. Then we might go on for a while with live looping, or not. Clips can contain either audio file, MIDI control data for some processes needing to be automized or clip envelopes. It doesn't matter how wide the session page is because you don't neeed to see everything anyway and it doesn't matter how high the page is because you can scroll. I just fail to see what the limitation would be there. I tend to set up Live projects in a way that I can stuff away the computer and not need to look much at the screen. Using colors is a good strategy. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 20:49:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EE21183479; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F3D6B6A.7000806@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:47:38 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Blue Book" on NeuHarmony Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#feb Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. 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----------MB_8CEBB0453D1884E_568_A4A5C_webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 20:55:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3356183486; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-16_06:2012-02-16,2012-02-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202160232 Subject: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:55:42 -0800 Message-id: <06BBEC28-79D1-45C5-897C-A062F432920A@mac.com> References: <4F3D5659.6000807@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <2rb_w.A.mdD.Q1WPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Good post, Rick.. thnx.-- Nature/ Nurture? What does it matter. To what we apply our neural capacity , becomes us. Choice is the driver. I like to think of music discipline, in its most essential form, as Craft, and like all Craft, it can be learned by any willing to invest in the learning curve. Would we say that Carpenters and Plumbers have to be born with the nack in order to become gifted in their craft? Probably not. Not one baby is born knowing how to read a blueprint or swing a hammer. Of course, some have more proclivity for one learning curve over another. I certainly know young musicians whose nimble embrace of new music is both inspiring and demoralizing to witness. But even a shmuck like me can learn to play music well enough to bring a smile or a tear to the listener's cheek. I am reminded of joining Bill and Rick Walker's amazing band, World's Collide ages ago-- I auditioned as a guitarist but was asked to bring my keyboard to the first rehearsal. I told Rick, "but-- I don't really play keyboard." He said "but you own one right?--You have one working finger?.. Ill show you the parts." And so it is that I began playing keys.. My instructor, a drummer!! - a great drummer indeed-- but a one finger keyboardist! In time, I managed to get my other 9 fingers into the game. I may never be Chick Corea (or a Scientoligist for that matter). In fact, I will probably never have the facility on keys that I have with guitar or with my voice. But the instrument is definitely in my arsenal now and not because I was born a keyboardist or even a musician. Only because I put in the hours, one finger at a time. :) Daniel On Feb 16, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/a-neuroscientist-debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/ >> >> >> Interesting and thought provoking........not sure whether I agree or not but >> it >> sure raises a lot of questions. > > > Thanks, that was interesting! My own experience is that learning > becomes easier the older you get. But it only works if you're leading > a learning life in general. And it's not because you become "smarter" > with age but because your brain can make more synapse associations for > each new step. Instead of drawing a totally new knowledge map in there > the older brain just goes > "ok-been-there-done-that-been-there-as-well... DANG!!!! Ah, that's new > so let's connect here, here and here". It hooks up new stuff to old > experience, but a little bit differently this time. Just my personal > theory. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 22:36:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 892E8183477; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F3D84D1.4010306@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:36:01 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Dear Matt, These are all really super valuable approaches and I know a lot of musicians who followed that path. I really do respect you for it, and I agree, you have a truly unique style that I think is really magical so your approach is certainly working and valid. I followed a similar path for the first 15 years of my own life, too. And then, in the 16th year, for some reason or other, I taught myself how to read Western rhythmic notation and just became a voracious student. I took courses at UCSC and then, Cabrillo College (where I actually learned a lot more) but it just didn't do it for me.........too structured........too fixated on musical forms that I just didn't love, so I struck out on my own again, but this time with the aid of teachers (and my own researching). In my case, I'm just restless all the time and just had to know about the nuts and bolts.......I suppose the way a magician wants to know how to create the illusion as opposed to the audience who delights in experiencing it. It could take away from the delight of experiencing the 'magic' trick if it weren't for the fact that there are layers upon layers of understandings about music and the way it effects human beings. Luckily, for me, learning about music seems never ending. There's always something else to learn.........I find myself at the age of 56, finally starting to understand some really deep principles about how Western harmony works and how to manipulate it in composition...... taking on instruments, as a beginner, that I never dreamed I would play in my lifetime. I'm a baby again........or rather a precocious baby and it's a turn on. I'm really not saying it's the only way, but it's certainly a way. with respect for everyone's musical diversity, Rick Walker On 2/16/12 10:47 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I totally understand it. I was a music major for about a month in > college. While learning the theory was good, I also found it was > taking out the sense of wonder that's a major appeal of music to me. I > decided instead to be "self-taught". > > Even though: > --I never learned to read music, which is like being an American who > doesn't know English > --I never developed the muscle accuracy that many musicians have > --I don't know the chords or advanced theory > --I knew I was giving up on the idea of being a professional musician > > ...I felt that if I knew how it would all worked, it would cease to be > interesting to me. So instead, I took one piano class to teach me some > nuts and bolts, then went out on my own, so to speak. > > I'm still glad I did, because: > --I still think music is interesting. > --I got to spend the same amount of time focusing on the elements of > music that fascinated me, like sound color, using different sound > generation techniques, saturation, etc. > --I don't feel like I'm competing with other musicians on a continuum > of best to worst. [Not saying that most people do, but it's something > I used to do, and I didn't measure up too well.] :) > --In many cases, the things I don't know in music are opportunities to > explore at my own pace, and only if I want to. > --I like the idea of musicians having different skill sets and areas > of specialty. > --15 or so years in, I can honestly say I have a unique sound > identity. Not good or bad, necessarily, but I definitely sound like > me. That's the kind of musician I hoped to be when I got started. > (Though younger me thought I'd be more technically proficient.) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 22:42:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5145F18347A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f22d7fd2-115b-4d28-8929-6a1b31d25110_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Octotrack. but not versus Live Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:42:39 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<98263C6A19C80AE54A4A3F42@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk>,,<25516677-66FD-4908-B690-9E0B407CD5B4@orange.fr>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2012 22:42:40.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[49CAE850:01CCECFC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:42:41 +0000 (UTC) --_f22d7fd2-115b-4d28-8929-6a1b31d25110_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since i haven't used live I will skip the "versus" part AND i will be brief= it has been a looooong day.. You can do sound on sound and all sorts of live sampling via midi=2C i have= n't had the need.. yet.. However there is no "looper" machine yet but you c= an do a lot of other "looping" stuff with what is there. Includeing a lot o= f thing that you can't to in a looper.. A looping machine is promised by El= ektron sometime this spring.. NOT having a looper in the Octa has forced me= to think outside the box.. and i have discovered MANY really cool things i= might not have tried if the Octatrack would have had a looping machine.. h= owever when they add it it will be even MORE fun.. Most=2C if not all functions on the Octatrack can be trigged with MIDI.. so= you can start and mute track=2C change patterns and parts.. from a floor m= idi pedal..I'm not sure what you mean by "piece" but you have different sam= ples that needs to be switched between in a live setting that could be done= from a GOOD midi pedal.. I will probably by Gordius eventually.. You could= have different songs as different "parts" or as different projects. Parts = are better i if you need to change really fast. I'm not sure if you can cha= nge project via MIDI.. i can find out if it si important... so if you have = specific questions regarding Octatrack i will try to answer... Good night=2C Anders . > Anders on the list has been using it quite a lot=2C maybe he could chime > in here...? >=20 > 2012/2/16 Simeon Harris : > > i'd be interested in hearing more about the octatrack as well. the > > last i heard=2C it didn't have the software to allow you to use it as a > > conventional looper with a footswitch...although they said it was > > coming.... > > > > On Thu=2C Feb 16=2C 2012 at 7:24 PM=2C Antony Hequet wrote: > >> Hello=2C > >> After performing with Live a few times I am considering not having a c= omputer on stage anymore. Walking over to the beast to load the next song= =2C being drawn into the screen=2C just takes away from "being here now" wi= th the public. > >> Plus I had a couple of nothing is happening let's reboot experiences. > >> How does the octotrack perform switching from one piece to the next. D= o you have to manipulate or can you just send a pg change? Can you have > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Petri >=20 = --_f22d7fd2-115b-4d28-8929-6a1b31d25110_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since i haven't used live I will skip the "versus" part AND i will be brief= it has been a looooong day..

You can do sound on sound and all sorts of live sampling via midi= =2C i haven't had the need.. yet.. However there is no "looper" machine yet= but you can do a lot of other "looping" stuff with what is there. Includei= ng a lot of thing that you can't to in a looper.. A looping machine is prom= ised by Elektron sometime this spring.. NOT having a looper in the Octa has= forced me to think outside the box.. and i have discovered MANY really coo= l things i might not have tried if the Octatrack would have had a looping m= achine.. however when they add it it will be even MORE fun..

Most=2C i= f not all functions on the Octatrack can be trigged with MIDI.. so you can = start and mute track=2C change patterns and parts.. from a floor midi pedal= ..
I'm not sure what you mean by "piece" but you have different s= amples that needs to be switched between in a live setting that could be do= ne from a GOOD midi pedal.. I will probably by Gordius eventually.. =3B=
You could have different songs as =3Bdifferent "parts"= or as different projects. Parts are better i if you need to change really = fast. I'm not sure if you can change project via MIDI.. i can find out if i= t si important.
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= --_f22d7fd2-115b-4d28-8929-6a1b31d25110_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 08:07:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A940183479; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yVkLp/oUjtb3o6MHICR9PQ)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-16_08:2012-02-17,2012-02-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170000 From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:07:52 -0500 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> <14D08600-C557-46EC-BDA8-F25F86DA201F@mac.com> Message-id: <96BE039A-E111-4EDA-BB38-CE21A00E78ED@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:07:55 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_yVkLp/oUjtb3o6MHICR9PQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Feb 16, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Teddy good to know you are based in NY (I'm in Brooklyn). It's neat to know others in the community where are in the NY area. Watching your Loopestra video now. Congrats on your success in doing the commercial side. Lots of opinions on this in this thread which is cool and neat to hear everyone's perspectives. > > Jim > http://soundcloud.com/jimgoodinmusic oh, right on... I'm in Brooklyn too... the exotic Gardens of Carroll more perspectives = better fo sho Teddy --Boundary_(ID_yVkLp/oUjtb3o6MHICR9PQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Teddy = good to know you are based in NY (I'm in Brooklyn).  It's neat to = know others in the community where are in the NY area.  Watching = your Loopestra video now.  Congrats on your success in doing the = commercial side.  Lots of opinions on this in this thread which is = cool and neat to hear everyone's = perspectives.
 
Jim

oh, right on... I'm = in Brooklyn too... the exotic Gardens of = Carroll

more perspectives =3D = better
fo = sho

Teddy
= --Boundary_(ID_yVkLp/oUjtb3o6MHICR9PQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 08:08:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E62183479; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-16_08:2012-02-17,2012-02-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170000 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:08:28 -0500 Message-id: <0ED67A20-A57A-4815-98BF-46F502FFEBCA@mac.com> References: <4f3c04b7.c10f440a.5d11.0e65@mx.google.com> <14D08600-C557-46EC-BDA8-F25F86DA201F@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <5teccC.A.WKB.AsgPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:08:32 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 16, 2012, at 1:01 AM, Gmail wrote: > Thanks man. I ask if you survived because the question popped up when my english teacher said he first went to college for music but said that it stripped all the fun out of it for him so he changed his major. > > Kaylon that happens... I guess some people don't like looking under the hood... or it gets too hard for them at that point... it can be a lot to wrap your head around if you get it all at once. Or maybe some people don't like that music can be a science AND an art form at the same time. I love all of it... the more theory the better if you ask me. I was lucky enough to have a teacher who taught me all kinds of theory and advanced ear training at a very young age, so it wasn't hard in college, just more fascinating. Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 08:09:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D757F183489; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-16_08:2012-02-17,2012-02-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170000 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4F3D44BC.6020305@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:09:26 -0500 Message-id: References: <4F3D44BC.6020305@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:09:27 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 16, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 2/15/12 5:46 PM, richard sales wrote: >> >> The pain of watching that started to bring it all together for me. They loved music but had torqued it into a theoretical cash cow. I realized, if they only stuck with the love it would be totally and forever rewarding. >> >> I can't imagine how powerful that revelation could be for a teacher or professor! Yikes! > This is so true and really runs parallel with my experiences. > > Everyone who calculated what they would make being a musician ended up not doing it > in the long run. All the ones I know who love it more than anything seem to keep doing it. > > Thanks for articulating this so beautifully, Richard.......another thoughtful piece of wisdom from you. > > rick > so true Richard you nailed it thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 08:18:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FA7118348A; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-16_08:2012-02-17,2012-02-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170003 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:18:38 -0500 Message-id: References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:18:40 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 16, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > The one thing that you might miss out on in this example would be the high caliber of fellow students that you'd encounter at a place like Berklee or Julliard (or any other good musical University). > > rick walker that is by far the best thing about music school... well that, and the variety of teachers... getting a bunch of different perspectives from solid teachers every day is also great... but the students become your future colleagues and friends and sure do make for a whole lot of learning how to be around other people who are working towards the same thing as you are. I was one of 35 Jazz guitar majors, some way better than me, some way worse... but we were all working hard towards being ourselves before anything.... that and learning the basics of music. I agree about Berklee... not a whole lot of personal attention there, until you get to the last 2 years... then I'm sure it's like anywhere else. What is there like 1000 first year guitar students... yikes... factory city... then again... if you can stick out in that big of a crowd you're doing pretty good. Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 08:35:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1BEE183478; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-16_08:2012-02-17,2012-02-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170005 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:35:26 -0500 Message-id: References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:35:29 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 16, 2012, at 2:29 PM, mark francombe wrote: > And DONT SAY IT.. its so f***ing obvious to say, "but you dont learn what you need to at college, the software will be out of date before I leave, better to be self taught nah nah nah" > BULL... scuse me but really SHIT! ya... I agree.... college is supposed to stretch your brain... and life... so if it hurts you to learn theory, that's just you growing. Anything that hurts your brain will benefit you when you get past the pain. After you realize that, you just learn more and get excited when you don't know something... cause it's another thing you can wrap your head around. studying with only one teacher boot camp style, while a good thing for all the reasons Rick said... is in no way a replacement for a great music school. totally different thing. I took a semester off from college after my freshman year to come live in NYC and study with all my favorite NYC guitar players.... it was great. stretched me in a different way than college... they're not the same though... totally different situations. Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 15:56:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3BB7183477; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_03:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170122 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4F3D84D1.4010306@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:56:51 -0500 Message-id: <8174D9F5-A52C-4498-B96C-DAA7274F4068@mac.com> References: <4F3D84D1.4010306@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:56:55 +0000 (UTC) such an interesting topic... Matt... Do you think you still find music interesting BECAUSE you decided to stay away from institutional learning? I think you would have stayed interested no matter what... you just found all the music school stuff too far away from your goal and you didn't see the point at the time. Totally understandable... there were things in school I pushed away for the same reasons.... like learning George VanEps chord solos.... zzzzzz my thought about this whole thing is: if your goal is to be really really good at a very focused thing that doesn't have harmony that changes quickly, like ambient music, you probably don't need music school. if you want to have a diverse skill set, music school is probably right for you. I learned how to arrange for big band, how to compose a modal jazz song, how to hear every chord from every mode of the 4 main modal systems, all about jazz standards and chord substitutions, accompanying a singer in a duo, what swing is.... and a whole plethora of other things. I don't use them all every day now, 26 years later... but I sure have appreciated knowing all that stuff throughout the years. and.... really the number one reason music school is great: the fellow students... if you're at the right school... I guess, like anything else, some schools suck and some are good and therefore the quality of students attracted follows. Rick, your story is really awesome.... you sure are not a lazy man On Feb 16, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Dear Matt, > > These are all really super valuable approaches and I know a lot of musicians > who followed that path. I really do respect you for it, and I agree, you have a truly unique > style that I think is really magical so your approach is certainly working and valid. > > I followed a similar path for the first 15 years of my own life, too. > > And then, in the 16th year, for some reason or other, I taught myself how to read > Western rhythmic notation and just became a voracious student. I took > courses at UCSC and then, Cabrillo College (where I actually learned a lot more) but it just didn't > do it for me.........too structured........too fixated on musical forms that I just didn't love, > so I struck out on my own again, but this time with the aid of teachers (and my own researching). > > In my case, I'm just restless all the time and just had to know about the nuts > and bolts.......I suppose the way a magician wants to know how to create the illusion > as opposed to the audience who delights in experiencing it. > > It could take away from the delight of experiencing the 'magic' trick if it weren't for the fact > that there are layers upon layers of understandings about music and the way it effects human beings. > > Luckily, for me, learning about music seems never ending. There's always something > else to learn.........I find myself at the age of 56, finally starting to understand some really deep > principles about how Western harmony works and how to manipulate it in composition...... > taking on instruments, as a beginner, that I never dreamed I would play in my lifetime. > I'm a baby again........or rather a precocious baby and it's a turn on. > > I'm really not saying it's the only way, but it's certainly a way. > > with respect for everyone's musical diversity, > > Rick Walker > > On 2/16/12 10:47 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: >> I totally understand it. I was a music major for about a month in >> college. While learning the theory was good, I also found it was >> taking out the sense of wonder that's a major appeal of music to me. I >> decided instead to be "self-taught". >> >> Even though: >> --I never learned to read music, which is like being an American who >> doesn't know English >> --I never developed the muscle accuracy that many musicians have >> --I don't know the chords or advanced theory >> --I knew I was giving up on the idea of being a professional musician >> >> ...I felt that if I knew how it would all worked, it would cease to be >> interesting to me. So instead, I took one piano class to teach me some >> nuts and bolts, then went out on my own, so to speak. >> >> I'm still glad I did, because: >> --I still think music is interesting. >> --I got to spend the same amount of time focusing on the elements of >> music that fascinated me, like sound color, using different sound >> generation techniques, saturation, etc. >> --I don't feel like I'm competing with other musicians on a continuum >> of best to worst. [Not saying that most people do, but it's something >> I used to do, and I didn't measure up too well.] :) >> --In many cases, the things I don't know in music are opportunities to >> explore at my own pace, and only if I want to. >> --I like the idea of musicians having different skill sets and areas >> of specialty. >> --15 or so years in, I can honestly say I have a unique sound >> identity. Not good or bad, necessarily, but I definitely sound like >> me. That's the kind of musician I hoped to be when I got started. >> (Though younger me thought I'd be more technically proficient.) >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 16:28:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 410A0183477; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=4PJvFj5i5TZ7sHKpMJBwXw+R0ODPw7NgvGfxwVgNBMY=; b=Uov8M/YaYBxb27lwY92OVzsqwvNW7D3UZqcuzr32pHs0andxaSC/nhhqqfPJ393RL6 FvM99ctUyQ9jCr7KpIJ40/SRG52SWs9rCRP7V7TY+0U7HYvebsQddjHg6O6l7/RZee1T 5gGKNCTctUXPplVVXiULjr1JPNVLRjcZn6Svg= Message-ID: <4f3e800f.a840440a.5917.ffff8655@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Well i realized i tend to get all giddy after going to piano lessons and listening to my private teacher explain how to make something more musical based on touch, length, stroke of the key etc. I noticed Im much much more of the harmony type than ambient. However I definitely want to get in to ambience too because i want to break my mind free of harmonic jail haha. Its like when it comes to chord progs i can think of melodies quite easily to fit with them but every time i tried anything remotely ambient sounding i just feel like "what the heck am i doing right now?" i have now idea what the principles of ambient music are. Maybe thats the problem in itself. I keep looking for rules. :p -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, February 17, 2012 7:57:08 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Teddy Kumpel" Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music such an interesting topic... Matt... Do you think you still find music interesting BECAUSE you decided to stay away from institutional learning? I think you would have stayed interested no matter what... you just found all the music school stuff too far away from your goal and you didn't see the point at the time. Totally understandable... there were things in school I pushed away for the same reasons.... like learning George VanEps chord solos.... zzzzzz my thought about this whole thing is: if your goal is to be really really good at a very focused thing that doesn't have harmony that changes quickly, like ambient music, you probably don't need music school. if you want to have a diverse skill set, music school is probably right for you. I learned how to arrange for big band, how to compose a modal jazz song, how to hear every chord from every mode of the 4 main modal systems, all about jazz standards and chord substitutions, accompanying a singer in a duo, what swing is.... and a whole plethora From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 16:53:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8B57183477; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m/nET+Lzb0L9QvbC9Mtb7/5RqtnAx65AILNDZy+M4dg=; b=VWlNmNyEmgZIiepBuqHPIBJwaJytYzV1kabTEU4K59KrrZGZZYonqZiD+mm9Vjp3if /lntrrINXqJ32Wx/uVQIoNurJZA4CPt/M+4SL1OURCr4VgEORM7elGuRRl6+20OPX23y cWGDTgo949HrBzB+C0FI4liLzEHPfia5qpyFU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4f3e800f.a840440a.5917.ffff8655@mx.google.com> References: <4f3e800f.a840440a.5917.ffff8655@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:53:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <7wHYCD.A.-qF.uXoPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > I noticed Im much much more of the harmony type than ambient. However I d= efinitely want to get in to ambience too because i want to break my mind fr= ee of harmonic jail haha. Its like when it comes to chord progs i can think= of melodies quite easily to fit with them but every time i tried anything = remotely ambient sounding i just feel like "what the heck am i doing right = now?" i have now idea what the principles of ambient music are. One could say that "there are no principles in ambient but a hell of a lot of taste required". But that wouldn't be all true because there really are principles in ambient. It's just that you really can get away with making interesting ambient music even if not being aware of the principles. Making harmonically complex music without knowing the principles would not be possible, so there's a difference. When you are playing the harmony style music, don't you sometimes get hit by the though "do I really play something that makes sense now - or do I just play according to the book?" That sometimes happens to me. It's kind of the reversed fear-for-fail-factor ;-) A method to learn to come up with instant musical content ("ambient") is to pick a monophonic instrument and go to a location where there is a fantastic sound. Like a church or something. Play one note and listen. The rest will come to you and then you just play it. Another method can be to search for and identify other variables in music than those based on melody and harmony. Two obvious examples are Tension and Release. You may think of many others, but they all flow in music like waves in an ocean, like a question-and-answer game. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:00:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 411F4183478; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_03:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170154 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:59:59 -0800 Message-id: References: <4f3e800f.a840440a.5917.ffff8655@mx.google.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:00:12 +0000 (UTC) > Making harmonically complex music without knowing the > principles would not be possible, so there's a difference. There are folks musics that are harmonically complex but the maestros who play these styles know not one thing about the language of western harmony. For instance, slack key guitar master Led Kaapana hilarioulsy refers to the I, IV, and V chords as Happy C one, Happy C two and Happy C 3. And the other chords in the scale are Sad C1, Sad C2 and Sad C3 -- for the diminished and half diminshed, he says Ugly Chord 1 and Ugly Chord 2. His use of the western harmonic principles is complex (Perhaps not Mahler complex or bebop complex but it certainly has a lot skillful tension and release in it) while his knowledge of the principles is incredibly limited. lots of ways to approach music, huh? Thats why I am not personally put off by music education. Music is just to beautifully integrated to ever be completely demystified by my tiny brain. As soon as one trick becomes apparent to me, I perceive a new and more fascinating musical illusion that I must come to understand. IMO- Its a life long learner pursuit, being a musician, whether or not you go the Happy C 1, 2, 3 route or the Pencil driven theory route. For my own part.. I want it all. Daniel On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: >> I noticed Im much much more of the harmony type than ambient. However I definitely want to get in to ambience too because i want to break my mind free of harmonic jail haha. Its like when it comes to chord progs i can think of melodies quite easily to fit with them but every time i tried anything remotely ambient sounding i just feel like "what the heck am i doing right now?" i have now idea what the principles of ambient music are. > > > One could say that "there are no principles in ambient but a hell of a > lot of taste required". But that wouldn't be all true because there > really are principles in ambient. It's just that you really can get > away with making interesting ambient music even if not being aware of > the principles. Making harmonically complex music without knowing the > principles would not be possible, so there's a difference. > > When you are playing the harmony style music, don't you sometimes get > hit by the though "do I really play something that makes sense now - > or do I just play according to the book?" That sometimes happens to > me. It's kind of the reversed fear-for-fail-factor ;-) > > A method to learn to come up with instant musical content ("ambient") > is to pick a monophonic instrument and go to a location where there is > a fantastic sound. Like a church or something. Play one note and > listen. The rest will come to you and then you just play it. > > Another method can be to search for and identify other variables in > music than those based on melody and harmony. Two obvious examples are > Tension and Release. You may think of many others, but they all flow > in music like waves in an ocean, like a question-and-answer game. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:13:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F6A183478; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FGglIj5daT4Um042Z7so26H/bA8oVFzBrNWDr5J/D0s=; b=Run21QnDZ46cGnN6IjVHTD4TffptZ3lz/ToWX/BHJe1E1lcl7MQ3za++/3U+6wgche cu6nVTBUxSBtSDfJDo7x0hFyN8Cot7S+RYg8aBBRdl497Cg/I/VkCuZYFTeam5BmJl0d WSG2wu53KzeBkdaQ2gZoPVybP8S4S6/yD7p3E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:13:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Blue/Green LED's for EDP? From: Keith Smith To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd03a9d46ae04b92ce664 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:13:26 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd03a9d46ae04b92ce664 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, all. I'm one of those guys who has to chalk the brown ball in a snooker game. This also means that red/green LED's drive me crazy -really hard to see the difference. I'd like to replace the 7 LED's on my EDP with Blue/Green (like the one on the Presonus Firepod). I'm pretty sure I should be able to get these locally (Calgary), but I need some help to specify them correctly. Can someone here help with this? Thanks! k --0015175cd03a9d46ae04b92ce664 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all.

I'm one of those guys who has to chalk the brown ball i= n a snooker game. This also means that red/green LED's drive me crazy -= really hard to see the difference.
I'd like to replace the 7 LED'= ;s on my EDP with Blue/Green (like the one on the Presonus Firepod).

I'm pretty sure I should be able to get these locally (Calgary), bu= t I need some help to specify them correctly.

Can someone here help = with this?

Thanks!
k


--0015175cd03a9d46ae04b92ce664-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:34:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D8CD183477; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=emK5MevRzJBXoshXksJ8Ja2o7veitgRJtl8fMVgCUew=; b=MsB+Hc1mKY3o3a3JyxkqU5e3ByLo6WX0fU9B/hMe2movWlZE8GnlPxoN1oSXwZyY9J H/r2w85gDISdSMUtptxk8Zq9qMbLUhMtE338DMa6LG54HkVqghvy6kTm0OBH5uYagedR 9p1ixfPL7ODO0XLJr7TqHBHec1zagStaWLd3U= Message-ID: <4f3e9dcd.a31a440a.297d.ffff9eb5@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:34:56 +0000 (UTC) when you say question and answer, I automatically think harmonic such as a cadence or something haha. -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:53:07 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Per Boysen" Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > I noticed Im much much more of the harmony type than ambient. However I definitely want to get in to ambience too because i want to break my mind free of harmonic jail haha. Its like when it comes to chord progs i can think of melodies quite easily to fit with them but every time i tried anything remotely ambient sounding i just feel like "what the heck am i doing right now?" i have now idea what the principles of ambient music are. One could say that "there are no principles in ambient but a hell of a lot of taste required". But that wouldn't be all true because there really are principles in ambient. It's just that you really can get away with making interesting ambient music even if not being aware of the principles. Making harmonically complex music without knowing the principles would not be possible, so there's a difference. When you are playing the harmony style music, don't you sometimes get hit by the though From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:43:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6957183478; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=P1DpxlSpB753f6CRlbNF0lpUmlSzlRy+N90DcZThi94=; b=BGzu3H5YpZye1qBgNS8USX4QeovblVqtKwT61JdCLeUHUlGBPxhsTxU2rnjlNaaT8p Tk4DcEXjuu+3aCBt52xh8mFw8WdethqKNv+k3K38/aHK+qacLGvMUwEarUDvU0WNPE8f FIcpKjwOopRvadXh7VTfp+gbqVh28ahEERn1c= Message-ID: <4f3e9fcf.c71c440a.5fa0.ffff97a1@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:43:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:43:29 +0000 (UTC) haha i like the happy c explaination that just literally made me laugh. its funny you said that its a life long thing because i just gave a short speech in history class about how musicians will never reach that point where you're finally "there" in terms of skill because it just goes on and on. -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:00:17 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Daniel Thomas" Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music > Making harmonically complex music without knowing the > principles would not be possible, so there's a difference. There are folks musics that are harmonically complex but the maestros who play these styles know not one thing about the language of western harmony. For instance, slack key guitar master Led Kaapana hilarioulsy refers to the I, IV, and V chords as Happy C one, Happy C two and Happy C 3. And the other chords in the scale are Sad C1, Sad C2 and Sad C3 -- for the diminished and half diminshed, he says Ugly Chord 1 and Ugly Chord 2. His use of the western harmonic principles is complex (Perhaps not Mahler complex or bebop complex but it certainly has a lot skillful tension and release in it) while his knowledge of the principles is incredibly limited. lots of ways to approach music, huh? Thats why I am not personally put off by music education. Music is just to beautifully integrated to ever be completely demystified by my tiny brain. As soon as one trick becomes apparent to me, I perceive a new and more fascinating musical illusion that I must come to understand. IMO- Its a life long learner pursuit, being a musician, whether or not you go the Happy C 1, 2, 3 route or the Pencil driven theory route. For my own part.. I want it all. Daniel On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: >> I noticed Im much much more of the harmony type than ambient. However I definitely want to get in to ambience too because i want to break my mind free of harmonic jail haha. Its like when it comes to chord progs i can think of melodies quite easily to fit with them but every time i tried anything remotely ambient sounding i just feel like "what the heck am i doing right now?" i have now idea what the principles of ambient music are. > > > One could say that "there are no principles in ambient but a hell of a > lot of taste required". But that wouldn't be all true because there > really are principles in ambient. It's just that you really can get > away with making interesting ambient music even if not being aware of > the principles. Making harmonically complex music without knowing the > principles would not be possible, so there's a difference. > > When you are playing the harmony style music, don't you sometimes get > hit by the though "do I really play something that makes sense now - > or do I just play according to the book?" That sometimes happens to > me. It's kind of the reversed fear-for-fail-factor ;-) > > A method to learn to come up with instant musical content ("ambient") > is to pick a monophonic instrument and go to a location where there is > a fantastic sound. Like a church or something. Play one note and > listen. The rest will come to you and then you just play it. > > Another method can be to search for and identify other variables in > music than those based on melody and harmony. Two obvious examples are > Tension and Release. You may think of many others, but they all flow > in music like waves in an ocean, like a question-and-answer game. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:46:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 250CE183477; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_03:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170170 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music References: <4f3e800f.a840440a.5917.ffff8655@mx.google.com> From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Message-id: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:37:30 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Me too!!!! Teddy http://teddyjam.com On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: > For my own part.. I want it all. > > Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:48:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9367E183478; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JMr98gO0xMn4YtV0pqP0OuuNjFqGCXv0psP5V6SmKVo=; b=HH8T/hOp6wihXfD7fRk66TGZ7u02fOOkKj25vmjdQx1SmqKI72l8PzGKNKGu31NLX5 cSHKcfkI58hwp0lPqeBjCLineVM+qEiWdXfWyzAWorsHfIGhRW8eZ474jhyOPHjEExUn ocr/Nge46ltaEAmP+hYF9TRuOBpBmQ5nYfL9E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4f3e800f.a840440a.5917.ffff8655@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:48:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC) > On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote= : > >> =C2=A0I want it all. Yes, less is just less. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 19:12:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6F74183460; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct References: <4F3D5659.6000807@cruzio.com> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <51EF2CA8-D55A-46B2-B3C7-58430A33A083@orange.fr> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:11:42 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: <_8jY5.A.KlH.GaqPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Per I agree with your theory. I think it also has something tp do with self c= onfidence. Self talk goes: I have been able to overcome other big hurdles be= fore, let's see how I am going to gandle this new one! Antony Hequet Poet composer On 16 f=C3=A9vr. 2012, at 21:20, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/a-neuroscientist= -debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/ >>=20 >>=20 >> Interesting and thought provoking........not sure whether I agree or not b= ut >> it >> sure raises a lot of questions. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, that was interesting! My own experience is that learning > becomes easier the older you get. But it only works if you're leading > a learning life in general. And it's not because you become "smarter" > with age but because your brain can make more synapse associations for > each new step. Instead of drawing a totally new knowledge map in there > the older brain just goes > "ok-been-there-done-that-been-there-as-well... DANG!!!! Ah, that's new > so let's connect here, here and here". It hooks up new stuff to old > experience, but a little bit differently this time. Just my personal > theory. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 19:45:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76E53183466; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_03:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170186 Subject: OT: NYC gig From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:45:02 -0500 Message-id: <649B8A05-A3EF-443E-9F56-1006F39D90BD@mac.com> References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:45:06 +0000 (UTC) http://teddyjam.fanbridge.com/campaigns/show.php?id=820126&sid=72165198 I'm playing every Monday in NYC at the Rockwood Music Hall, midnight live looping gtrs, songs, spontaneous band performances every week is a different NYC rhythm section this week is with Keith Carlock - drums and Tony Scherr - bass thanks!!!!!!!! Teddy Kumpel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 20:10:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90E0C183455; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Trtl+8vR/I+W9gmnOvf8ug/YFTWxd/84G6YQs8dlfBc=; b=UrnXEzlGX2f3rX3hL1wpvU3tsDvAjGWKjiW2uR+FKmcb1955qSAgDyvH/824F/O8xj XDgwZjU1unrfH9LHYl5OD2ysiDy1cKnFhZdk81UGOFASP7RbWwim7veFNtE7en+oMKTK babZF0fIdw0F1OjAajvDRgF4mmT4T3tWWUuNY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <649B8A05-A3EF-443E-9F56-1006F39D90BD@mac.com> References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> <649B8A05-A3EF-443E-9F56-1006F39D90BD@mac.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:10:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: efdQ9sLtyuCpAkGfJfXgMQ_bY80 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: NYC gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088ee1cc035204b92e89ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:10:40 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04088ee1cc035204b92e89ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow.. that place has like 6 or 7 performers per night!! Thats gotta be a good investment of a night out! I wish I could be there... been thinking about NYC alot lately, dont know why.. just been thinking alot... Have a good show! Mark On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > http://teddyjam.fanbridge.com/campaigns/show.php?id=820126&sid=72165198 > > I'm playing every Monday in NYC at the Rockwood Music Hall, midnight > live looping gtrs, songs, spontaneous band performances > > every week is a different NYC rhythm section > this week is with Keith Carlock - drums and Tony Scherr - bass > > thanks!!!!!!!! > Teddy Kumpel > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04088ee1cc035204b92e89ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow.. that place has like 6 or 7 performers per night!! Thats gotta be a go= od investment of a night out! I wish I could be there... been thinking abou= t NYC alot lately, dont know why.. just been thinking alot...
Have a goo= d show!

Mark

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM,= Teddy Kumpel <= teddykumpel@mac.com> wrote:
http://teddyjam.fanbridge.com/campaigns/= show.php?id=3D820126&sid=3D72165198

I'm playing every Monday in NYC at the Rockwood Music Hall, midnight live looping gtrs, songs, spontaneous band performances

every week is a different NYC rhythm section
this week is with Keith Carlock - drums and Tony Scherr - bass

thanks!!!!!!!!
Teddy Kumpel




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= Mark Francombe
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--f46d04088ee1cc035204b92e89ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 20:23:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD46C183474; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Rm1GA2TCb0ZPvfzTD/JjFqVGYzGek266WWQpbuKVDR4=; b=AihWsvhVBLHotmmMnaN7p5MATDTZajRl1G2a5vW9EYC+eoInz5jYo79WR9/P+/DZ10 dDnS9jkcHBx0z8WrKF0JGClm+rlWFdOZpbPGWd8zHjD6W8B6qF5+xIkQLtMSfeCC+LZN rab75NBzSmUVfOQLlZWsPeqGHEgeUdP2vUgMg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:23:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Not having musical training - the good and the bad From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <5fb8cC.A.io.4crPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:23:20 +0000 (UTC) It's a few different elements, and I admit that I'm probably full of BS. 1) At the time I was entering college, the instruments I played were almost entirely non-melodic instruments - mostly tapes, effects and contact microphones. The classes my college were offering focused primarily on melody and harmony. 2) Any melodies in music I was making at the time were pretty basic and minimal, and I didn't see any need to grow beyond that at the time. (This was the time of techno, industrial and punk rock being very popular.) Even now, I'm much more interested in the characteristics of the sound than the actual melody, but I have to admit that harmony and pitch have a lot to do with the characteristics. 2) I had this thing in my head at the time that learning music theory would =3D conformity. In the mind of an 19 year-old misfit like me, conformity was a 4-letter word at the time. 3) It seemed at the time like it would be a lot of work for a little gain. I was learning stuff at home that excited me a lot more. Learning a new scale didn't seem that interesting compared to learning how to make a chair shriek emotively across a cement floor. 4) I was afraid that the sounds I was interested in would be seen as worthless in the music theory community. (That was probably not true.) 5) Part of me got all grumpy when I thought I discovered some great new tone cluster or quirky melody through breaking a bunch of rules, and then some music theory person would say "oh, that's just a blankity blank scale". Part of me really wanted to believe I was the first/only person doing it. Later, my perspective was "ok, everything I do melodically is going to have a name in music theory, but that doesn't mean I can't do it." 6) Somehow, learning the science behind how everything worked felt like it was going to take all the wonder of discovery out of music. Imagine that you're just about to see Star Wars for the first time, but before doing so, you have to listen to a Joseph Cambell lecture discussing everything that's going to happen in the movie and how everything is a literature device that's been around for thousands of years. That's what it felt it would be like. 7) And here's one that I thought was wise: I wanted to enter adulthood with skills other than making music. I could always make music for fun, but I didn't honestly think I was going to have a career making the weird music I was interested in. I wanted to be an engineer producer at the time, but was realizing that I didn't have the patience to butt heads with people in bands. So, anyway, now I'm a grown-up, about 17 years after the decision to not major in music. What's it like now? The good: --Sometimes there's an assumption made that if you don't take music theory, you don't learn *anything*. That's not true. I learned different stuff. --Whenever I hit a wall, I either worked around it or turned my focus in a different direction. I don't think I'd be as sonically unique if I didn't hit as many walls. --I think I do ok as a musician. In the improvised music world, people like playing with me because I'm unique and I've learned how to adapt quickly to what they're doing. --I think I'm slightly more successful as a musician than I would be if my skills were more standardized. (If I was doing stuff that more people did, I don't think I'd measure up as well.) --I think I'm happier to be in a non-music related profession. I don't rely on my artistic energy to pay my bills. All my artistic energy can be spent doing the things I want. --Many of the music majors I know are struggling to remain in a music-related profession, as if it would be a failure if they did something else. --I don't make a huge amount of money at my day job, but I make more than many of my professional musician friends. --I don't depend on music to "defend my existence". That's kind of a biggie. As a teen, that was my only perceived value about myself. Now I have a lot of skills that are independent of that. I might do ok in a zombie apocalypse. The bad: --I'm musically naive - very much so. If I happen to stumble on a great melody, it's usually by accident. I'm sure I play a lot of things that sound great to me, but are old news to people who have the training. I get stuck in ruts very easily. --I can't communicate my musical ideas very well. I can't write sheet music. The best I can do is play it myself and hope other people can imitate it the way I hear it. If I can't play it myself, then I'm screwed. --Sometimes when trying to get other musicians to play for me, sometimes I'm frustrated that people don't think about things the same way I do. For example, I want a written cue for: "Try to make it sound like you're playing the drums from 16 feet away with 3 broomsticks tied together. No, you're way too accurate. Really, you need to sound like ... no, now you're just being silly. You need to sound like it's a really clumsy interface, but you're doing the best you can with it." --I'm the dumbest person in any band. Or at least I feel that way. I learn pretty well by ear and trial & error, but that's a lot slower than those who can read sheet music or be told "go from A chord to D chord". --I miss a lot of opportunities: I often have to miss out on playing in improvised orchestras and other group-oriented projects because I can't read their sheet music. Likewise, I've also been afraid to sign up for collaborative residencies out of fear that I'd be the only one there who doesn't speak the language. --At this point of my life, it would be nice to know how to orchestrate. So, why don't I drop everything I'm doing and learn to read western notation? I simply don't like the system. I think the musical staff should be written chromatically, rather than requiring the reader pre-memorize a pattern of valid notes (and then breaking that rule with sharps and flats). I want the symbol for a half-note rest to actually look like it takes more time than a quarter note rest. I'd like to see notes take up as much room on a bar as their duration. (A 1/4 note takes up 1/4 of the bar.) It would be nice if the shape of the note represented the note's dynamics. Lastly, I want intervals to be standardized. I want "a third" to be an interval of 3 chromatic notes, not sometimes 5 notes and sometimes 4 notes. Then people could memorize a major scale as "2,2,1,2,2,2,1" (which people already understand). --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt Teddy Kumpel was all: > such an interesting topic... > > Matt... Do you think you still find music interesting BECAUSE you decided= to stay away from institutional learning? I think you would have stayed in= terested no matter what... you just found all the music school stuff too fa= r away from your goal and you didn't see the point at the time. Totally und= erstandable... there were things in school I pushed away for the same reaso= ns.... like learning George VanEps chord solos.... zzzzzz > > my thought about this whole thing is: > > if your goal is to be really really good at a very focused thing that doe= sn't have harmony that changes quickly, like ambient music, you probably do= n't need music school. > > if you want to have a diverse skill set, music school is probably right f= or you. I learned how to arrange for big band, how to compose a modal jazz = song, how to hear every chord from every mode of the 4 main modal systems, = all about jazz standards and chord substitutions, accompanying a singer in = a duo, what swing is.... and a whole plethora of other things. I don't use = them all every day now, 26 years later... but I sure have appreciated knowi= ng all that stuff throughout the years. > > and.... really the number one reason music school is great: the fellow st= udents... if you're at the right school... I guess, like anything else, som= e schools suck and some are good and therefore the quality of students attr= acted follows. > > Rick, your story is really awesome.... you sure are not a lazy man > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 20:45:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29F2F183466; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jOggHylyF3EdW0SQsvidqQ)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170206 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: Not having musical training - the good and the bad Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:45:38 -0800 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-id: <86771E93-B713-4F95-8BDE-00A9ED774A81@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:45:41 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_jOggHylyF3EdW0SQsvidqQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have loved this thread guys. Your post Matt really resonated for me in many respects. > Lastly, I want intervals to be standardized. I want "a third" to be an > interval of 3 chromatic notes, not sometimes 5 notes and sometimes 4 > notes. Then people could memorize a major scale as "2,2,1,2,2,2,1" Intervallic spacing is a function of nature. The thing is- their really are 5 half steps in a major triad and four in a minor triad. It is not an invention of the music theory that makes it so, its an observation of the golden spiral upon which music theory (and nearly every observable thing) is based. I can relate to not liking Western music theory though -- it can be more than a little obtuse-- especially in certain expert hands. That said-- I can honestly recommend the roman numeral theory employed by Jazz musicians as an easy to learn key for deciphering western diatonic harmony. Its immediately useful in song writing and in nearly all improvisational contexts. This one music theory skill could knock down several of the Cons that you cite in your post, Matt. And-it is not hard to learn-- Ask our multi-insttrumental laureate, Rick Walker. I believe he set about to learn this stuff rather late in his musical career- as did I. Numeral theory does not take very much effort at all. Certainly not the kind of effort that I have put into much more mundane pursuits just to earn a buck. Another music theory that I have found to rich in its simplicity is that of Eastern Modal music, like the Sacred Hindustani music of Northern India. The Tal and RAGA systems are so incredibly simple to learn but require lifetimes to fully penetrate. Awesome power in simplicity. Long Live the LD Community. You all brighten my days. D On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > It's a few different elements, and I admit that I'm probably full of BS. > > 1) At the time I was entering college, the instruments I played were > almost entirely non-melodic instruments - mostly tapes, effects and > contact microphones. The classes my college were offering focused > primarily on melody and harmony. > 2) Any melodies in music I was making at the time were pretty basic > and minimal, and I didn't see any need to grow beyond that at the > time. (This was the time of techno, industrial and punk rock being > very popular.) Even now, I'm much more interested in the > characteristics of the sound than the actual melody, but I have to > admit that harmony and pitch have a lot to do with the > characteristics. > 2) I had this thing in my head at the time that learning music theory > would = conformity. In the mind of an 19 year-old misfit like me, > conformity was a 4-letter word at the time. > 3) It seemed at the time like it would be a lot of work for a little > gain. I was learning stuff at home that excited me a lot more. > Learning a new scale didn't seem that interesting compared to learning > how to make a chair shriek emotively across a cement floor. > 4) I was afraid that the sounds I was interested in would be seen as > worthless in the music theory community. (That was probably not true.) > 5) Part of me got all grumpy when I thought I discovered some great > new tone cluster or quirky melody through breaking a bunch of rules, > and then some music theory person would say "oh, that's just a > blankity blank scale". Part of me really wanted to believe I was the > first/only person doing it. Later, my perspective was "ok, everything > I do melodically is going to have a name in music theory, but that > doesn't mean I can't do it." > 6) Somehow, learning the science behind how everything worked felt > like it was going to take all the wonder of discovery out of music. > Imagine that you're just about to see Star Wars for the first time, > but before doing so, you have to listen to a Joseph Cambell lecture > discussing everything that's going to happen in the movie and how > everything is a literature device that's been around for thousands of > years. That's what it felt it would be like. > 7) And here's one that I thought was wise: I wanted to enter adulthood > with skills other than making music. I could always make music for > fun, but I didn't honestly think I was going to have a career making > the weird music I was interested in. I wanted to be an engineer > producer at the time, but was realizing that I didn't have the > patience to butt heads with people in bands. > > So, anyway, now I'm a grown-up, about 17 years after the decision to > not major in music. What's it like now? > > The good: > --Sometimes there's an assumption made that if you don't take music > theory, you don't learn *anything*. That's not true. I learned > different stuff. > --Whenever I hit a wall, I either worked around it or turned my focus > in a different direction. I don't think I'd be as sonically unique if > I didn't hit as many walls. > --I think I do ok as a musician. In the improvised music world, people > like playing with me because I'm unique and I've learned how to adapt > quickly to what they're doing. > --I think I'm slightly more successful as a musician than I would be > if my skills were more standardized. (If I was doing stuff that more > people did, I don't think I'd measure up as well.) > --I think I'm happier to be in a non-music related profession. I don't > rely on my artistic energy to pay my bills. All my artistic energy can > be spent doing the things I want. > --Many of the music majors I know are struggling to remain in a > music-related profession, as if it would be a failure if they did > something else. > --I don't make a huge amount of money at my day job, but I make more > than many of my professional musician friends. > --I don't depend on music to "defend my existence". That's kind of a > biggie. As a teen, that was my only perceived value about myself. Now > I have a lot of skills that are independent of that. I might do ok in > a zombie apocalypse. > > The bad: > --I'm musically naive - very much so. If I happen to stumble on a > great melody, it's usually by accident. I'm sure I play a lot of > things that sound great to me, but are old news to people who have the > training. I get stuck in ruts very easily. > --I can't communicate my musical ideas very well. I can't write sheet > music. The best I can do is play it myself and hope other people can > imitate it the way I hear it. If I can't play it myself, then I'm > screwed. > --Sometimes when trying to get other musicians to play for me, > sometimes I'm frustrated that people don't think about things the same > way I do. For example, I want a written cue for: "Try to make it sound > like you're playing the drums from 16 feet away with 3 broomsticks > tied together. No, you're way too accurate. Really, you need to sound > like ... no, now you're just being silly. You need to sound like it's > a really clumsy interface, but you're doing the best you can with it." > --I'm the dumbest person in any band. Or at least I feel that way. I > learn pretty well by ear and trial & error, but that's a lot slower > than those who can read sheet music or be told "go from A chord to D > chord". > --I miss a lot of opportunities: I often have to miss out on playing > in improvised orchestras and other group-oriented projects because I > can't read their sheet music. Likewise, I've also been afraid to sign > up for collaborative residencies out of fear that I'd be the only one > there who doesn't speak the language. > --At this point of my life, it would be nice to know how to orchestrate. > > So, why don't I drop everything I'm doing and learn to read western > notation? I simply don't like the system. I think the musical staff > should be written chromatically, rather than requiring the reader > pre-memorize a pattern of valid notes (and then breaking that rule > with sharps and flats). I want the symbol for a half-note rest to > actually look like it takes more time than a quarter note rest. I'd > like to see notes take up as much room on a bar as their duration. (A > 1/4 note takes up 1/4 of the bar.) It would be nice if the shape of > the note represented the note's dynamics. > Lastly, I want intervals to be standardized. I want "a third" to be an > interval of 3 chromatic notes, not sometimes 5 notes and sometimes 4 > notes. Then people could memorize a major scale as "2,2,1,2,2,2,1" > (which people already understand). > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > Teddy Kumpel was all: >> such an interesting topic... >> >> Matt... Do you think you still find music interesting BECAUSE you decided to stay away from institutional learning? I think you would have stayed interested no matter what... you just found all the music school stuff too far away from your goal and you didn't see the point at the time. Totally understandable... there were things in school I pushed away for the same reasons.... like learning George VanEps chord solos.... zzzzzz >> >> my thought about this whole thing is: >> >> if your goal is to be really really good at a very focused thing that doesn't have harmony that changes quickly, like ambient music, you probably don't need music school. >> >> if you want to have a diverse skill set, music school is probably right for you. I learned how to arrange for big band, how to compose a modal jazz song, how to hear every chord from every mode of the 4 main modal systems, all about jazz standards and chord substitutions, accompanying a singer in a duo, what swing is.... and a whole plethora of other things. I don't use them all every day now, 26 years later... but I sure have appreciated knowing all that stuff throughout the years. >> >> and.... really the number one reason music school is great: the fellow students... if you're at the right school... I guess, like anything else, some schools suck and some are good and therefore the quality of students attracted follows. >> >> Rick, your story is really awesome.... you sure are not a lazy man >> >> > --Boundary_(ID_jOggHylyF3EdW0SQsvidqQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Lastly, I want intervals to be standardized. I want = "a third" to be an
interval of 3 chromatic notes, not sometimes 5 = notes and sometimes 4
notes. Then people could memorize a major scale = as "2,2,1,2,2,2,1"

Intervallic = spacing is a function of nature.  The thing is-  their really = are 5 half steps in a major triad and four in a minor triad.  It is = not an invention of the music theory that makes it so, its an = observation of the golden spiral upon which music theory (and nearly = every observable thing) is based. 

I can = relate to not liking Western music theory though -- it can be more than = a little obtuse-- especially in certain expert hands. =  

That said-- I can honestly recommend =  the roman numeral theory employed by Jazz musicians as an easy to = learn key for deciphering  western diatonic harmony.  Its = immediately useful in song writing and in nearly all improvisational = contexts.  

 This one music theory = skill could knock down several of the Cons that you cite in your post, = Matt.  And-it is not hard to learn-- Ask our multi-insttrumental = laureate,  Rick Walker.  I believe he set about to learn this = stuff rather late in his musical career- as did I.   Numeral theory = does not take very much effort at all.  Certainly not the kind of = effort that I have put into much more mundane pursuits just to earn a = buck.

Another music theory that I have found to = rich in its simplicity is that of Eastern Modal music, like the Sacred = Hindustani music of Northern India.  The Tal and RAGA systems are = so incredibly simple to learn but require lifetimes to fully penetrate. =  Awesome power in simplicity. 

Long = Live the LD Community.  You all brighten my = days.
D 

 
On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

It's = a few different elements, and I admit that I'm probably full of = BS.

1) At the time I was entering college, the instruments I = played were
almost entirely non-melodic instruments - mostly tapes, = effects and
contact microphones. The classes my college were offering = focused
primarily on melody and harmony.
2) Any melodies in music = I was making at the time were pretty basic
and minimal, and I didn't = see any need to grow beyond that at the
time. (This was the time of = techno, industrial and punk rock being
very popular.) Even now, I'm = much more interested in the
characteristics of the sound than the = actual melody, but I have to
admit that harmony and pitch have a lot = to do with the
characteristics.
2) I had this thing in my head at = the time that learning music theory
would =3D conformity. In the mind = of an 19 year-old misfit like me,
conformity was a 4-letter word at = the time.
3) It seemed at the time like it would be a lot of work for = a little
gain. I was learning stuff at home that excited me a lot = more.
Learning a new scale didn't seem that interesting compared to = learning
how to make a chair shriek emotively across a cement = floor.
4) I was afraid that the sounds I was interested in would be = seen as
worthless in the music theory community. (That was probably = not true.)
5) Part of me got all grumpy when I thought I discovered = some great
new tone cluster or quirky melody through breaking a bunch = of rules,
and then some music theory person would say "oh, that's = just a
blankity blank scale". Part of me really wanted to believe I = was the
first/only person doing it. Later, my perspective was "ok, = everything
I do melodically is going to have a name in music theory, = but that
doesn't mean I can't do it."
6) Somehow, learning the = science behind how everything worked felt
like it was going to take = all the wonder of discovery out of music.
Imagine that you're just = about to see Star Wars for the first time,
but before doing so, you = have to listen to a Joseph Cambell lecture
discussing everything = that's going to happen in the movie and how
everything is a = literature device that's been around for thousands of
years. That's = what it felt it would be like.
7) And here's one that I thought was = wise: I wanted to enter adulthood
with skills other than making = music. I could always make music for
fun, but I didn't honestly think = I was going to have a career making
the weird music I was interested = in. I wanted to be an engineer
producer at the time, but was = realizing that I didn't have the
patience to butt heads with people = in bands.

So, anyway, now I'm a grown-up, about 17 years after = the decision to
not major in music. What's it like now?

The = good:
--Sometimes there's an assumption made that if you don't take = music
theory, you don't learn *anything*. That's not true. I = learned
different stuff.
--Whenever I hit a wall, I either worked = around it or turned my focus
in a different direction. I don't think = I'd be as sonically unique if
I didn't hit as many walls.
--I = think I do ok as a musician. In the improvised music world, = people
like playing with me because I'm unique and I've learned how = to adapt
quickly to what they're doing.
--I think I'm slightly = more successful as a musician than I would be
if my skills were more = standardized. (If I was doing stuff that more
people did, I don't = think I'd measure up as well.)
--I think I'm happier to be in a = non-music related profession. I don't
rely on my artistic energy to = pay my bills. All my artistic energy can
be spent doing the things I = want.
--Many of the music majors I know are struggling to remain in = a
music-related profession, as if it would be a failure if they = did
something else.
--I don't make a huge amount of money at my = day job, but I make more
than many of my professional musician = friends.
--I don't depend on music to "defend my existence". That's = kind of a
biggie. As a teen, that was my only perceived value about = myself. Now
I have a lot of skills that are independent of that. I = might do ok in
a zombie apocalypse.

The bad:
--I'm = musically naive - very much so. If I happen to stumble on a
great = melody, it's usually by accident. I'm sure I play a lot of
things = that sound great to me, but are old news to people who have = the
training. I get stuck in ruts very easily.
--I can't = communicate my musical ideas very well. I can't write sheet
music. = The best I can do is play it myself and hope other people can
imitate = it the way I hear it. If I can't play it myself, then = I'm
screwed.
--Sometimes when trying to get other musicians to = play for me,
sometimes I'm frustrated that people don't think about = things the same
way I do. For example, I want a written cue for: "Try = to make it sound
like you're playing the drums from 16 feet away with = 3 broomsticks
tied together. No, you're way too accurate. Really, you = need to sound
like ... no, now you're just being silly. You need to = sound like it's
a really clumsy interface, but you're doing the best = you can with it."
--I'm the dumbest person in any band. Or at least I = feel that way. I
learn pretty well by ear and trial & error, but = that's a lot slower
than those who can read sheet music or be told = "go from A chord to D
chord".
--I miss a lot of opportunities: I = often have to miss out on playing
in improvised orchestras and other = group-oriented projects because I
can't read their sheet music. = Likewise, I've also been afraid to sign
up for collaborative = residencies out of fear that I'd be the only one
there who doesn't = speak the language.
--At this point of my life, it would be nice to = know how to orchestrate.

So, why don't I drop everything I'm = doing and learn to read western
notation? I simply don't like the = system. I think the musical staff
should be written chromatically, = rather than requiring the reader
pre-memorize a pattern of valid = notes (and then breaking that rule
with sharps and flats). I want the = symbol for a half-note rest to
actually look like it takes more time = than a quarter note rest. I'd
like to see notes take up as much room = on a bar as their duration. (A
1/4 note takes up 1/4 of the bar.) It = would be nice if the shape of
the note represented the note's = dynamics.
Lastly, I want intervals to be standardized. I want "a = third" to be an
interval of 3 chromatic notes, not sometimes 5 notes = and sometimes 4
notes. Then people could memorize a major scale as = "2,2,1,2,2,2,1"
(which people already understand).


-- =
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.r= ibosomemusic.com
Podcast! = http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomem= att


Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com> was = all:
such an interesting = topic...

Matt... Do you = think you still find music interesting BECAUSE you decided to stay away = from institutional learning? I think you would have stayed interested no = matter what... you just found all the music school stuff too far away = from your goal and you didn't see the point at the time. Totally = understandable... there were things in school I pushed away for the same = reasons.... like learning George VanEps chord solos.... = zzzzzz

my thought = about this whole thing is:

if your goal is = to be really really good at a very focused thing that doesn't have = harmony that changes quickly, like ambient music, you probably don't = need music school.

if you want to = have a diverse skill set, music school is probably right for you. I = learned how to arrange for big band, how to compose a modal jazz song, = how to hear every chord from every mode of the 4 main modal systems, all = about jazz standards and chord substitutions, accompanying a singer in a = duo, what swing is.... and a whole plethora of other things. I don't use = them all every day now, 26 years later... but I sure have appreciated = knowing all that stuff throughout the years.

and.... really = the number one reason music school is great: the fellow students... if = you're at the right school... I guess, like anything else, some schools = suck and some are good and therefore the quality of students attracted = follows.

Rick, your = story is really awesome.... you sure are not a lazy = man




= --Boundary_(ID_jOggHylyF3EdW0SQsvidqQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 20:58:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 660D718345B; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fg9fSxuExi9Jcry79FSdYoxbIjPY+1dLDjJjKj4+5DI=; b=jj+99mHJgfk3vw8V7Gwsq0k4jCVqUoWQ4AGN0pkHiIzGvZhde/JxY3zleKJ50FlOMA OoD0In0+LW1fgT0y0jWWmab+nywBfXY1PyM/A7zsoc4yirwFtbIgMDfTc2QnEzQXbyFu HoAPxGyHZCD9NU9LuSdE7lbI6AdEmGkdRyRfA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:58:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Not having musical training - the good and the bad From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Matt, that was a great write-up! Your attitude is totally logical and... fresh. I share most of your points, maybe except for your hang-ups with how staff notes look. ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Matt Davignon wro= te: > It's a few different elements, and I admit that I'm probably full of BS. > > 1) At the time I was entering college, the instruments I played were > almost entirely non-melodic instruments - mostly tapes, effects and > contact microphones. The classes my college were offering focused > primarily on melody and harmony. > 2) Any melodies in music I was making at the time were pretty basic > and minimal, and I didn't see any need to grow beyond that at the > time. (This was the time of techno, industrial and punk rock being > very popular.) Even now, I'm much more interested in the > characteristics of the sound than the actual melody, but I have to > admit that harmony and pitch have a lot to do with the > characteristics. > 2) I had this thing in my head at the time that learning music theory > would =3D conformity. In the mind of an 19 year-old misfit like me, > conformity was a 4-letter word at the time. > 3) It seemed at the time like it would be a lot of work for a little > gain. I was learning stuff at home that excited me a lot more. > Learning a new scale didn't seem that interesting compared to learning > how to make a chair shriek emotively across a cement floor. > 4) I was afraid that the sounds I was interested in would be seen as > worthless in the music theory community. (That was probably not true.) > 5) Part of me got all grumpy when I thought I discovered some great > new tone cluster or quirky melody through breaking a bunch of rules, > and then some music theory person would say "oh, that's just a > blankity blank scale". Part of me really wanted to believe I was the > first/only person doing it. Later, my perspective was "ok, everything > I do melodically is going to have a name in music theory, but that > doesn't mean I can't do it." > 6) Somehow, learning the science behind how everything worked felt > like it was going to take all the wonder of discovery out of music. > Imagine that you're just about to see Star Wars for the first time, > but before doing so, you have to listen to a Joseph Cambell lecture > discussing everything that's going to happen in the movie and how > everything is a literature device that's been around for thousands of > years. That's what it felt it would be like. > 7) And here's one that I thought was wise: I wanted to enter adulthood > with skills other than making music. I could always make music for > fun, but I didn't honestly think I was going to have a career making > the weird music I was interested in. I wanted to be an engineer > producer at the time, but was realizing that I didn't have the > patience to butt heads with people in bands. > > So, anyway, now I'm a grown-up, about 17 years after the decision to > not major in music. What's it like now? > > The good: > --Sometimes there's an assumption made that if you don't take music > theory, you don't learn *anything*. That's not true. I learned > different stuff. > --Whenever I hit a wall, I either worked around it or turned my focus > in a different direction. I don't think I'd be as sonically unique if > I didn't hit as many walls. > --I think I do ok as a musician. In the improvised music world, people > like playing with me because I'm unique and I've learned how to adapt > quickly to what they're doing. > --I think I'm slightly more successful as a musician than I would be > if my skills were more standardized. (If I was doing stuff that more > people did, I don't think I'd measure up as well.) > --I think I'm happier to be in a non-music related profession. I don't > rely on my artistic energy to pay my bills. All my artistic energy can > be spent doing the things I want. > --Many of the music majors I know are struggling to remain in a > music-related profession, as if it would be a failure if they did > something else. > --I don't make a huge amount of money at my day job, but I make more > than many of my professional musician friends. > --I don't depend on music to "defend my existence". That's kind of a > biggie. As a teen, that was my only perceived value about myself. Now > I have a lot of skills that are independent of that. I might do ok in > a zombie apocalypse. > > The bad: > --I'm musically naive - very much so. If I happen to stumble on a > great melody, it's usually by accident. I'm sure I play a lot of > things that sound great to me, but are old news to people who have the > training. I get stuck in ruts very easily. > --I can't communicate my musical ideas very well. I can't write sheet > music. The best I can do is play it myself and hope other people can > imitate it the way I hear it. If I can't play it myself, then I'm > screwed. > --Sometimes when trying to get other musicians to play for me, > sometimes I'm frustrated that people don't think about things the same > way I do. For example, I want a written cue for: "Try to make it sound > like you're playing the drums from 16 feet away with 3 broomsticks > tied together. No, you're way too accurate. Really, you need to sound > like ... no, now you're just being silly. You need to sound like it's > a really clumsy interface, but you're doing the best you can with it." > --I'm the dumbest person in any band. Or at least I feel that way. I > learn pretty well by ear and trial & error, but that's a lot slower > than those who can read sheet music or be told "go from A chord to D > chord". > --I miss a lot of opportunities: I often have to miss out on playing > in improvised orchestras and other group-oriented projects because I > can't read their sheet music. Likewise, I've also been afraid to sign > up for collaborative residencies out of fear that I'd be the only one > there who doesn't speak the language. > --At this point of my life, it would be nice to know how to orchestrate. > > So, why don't I drop everything I'm doing and learn to read western > notation? I simply don't like the system. I think the musical staff > should be written chromatically, rather than requiring the reader > pre-memorize a pattern of valid notes (and then breaking that rule > with sharps and flats). I want the symbol for a half-note rest to > actually look like it takes more time than a quarter note rest. I'd > like to see notes take up as much room on a bar as their duration. (A > 1/4 note takes up 1/4 of the bar.) It would be nice if the shape of > the note represented the note's dynamics. > Lastly, I want intervals to be standardized. I want "a third" to be an > interval of 3 chromatic notes, not sometimes 5 notes and sometimes 4 > notes. Then people could memorize a major scale as "2,2,1,2,2,2,1" > (which people already understand). > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > Teddy Kumpel was all: >> such an interesting topic... >> >> Matt... Do you think you still find music interesting BECAUSE you decide= d to stay away from institutional learning? I think you would have stayed i= nterested no matter what... you just found all the music school stuff too f= ar away from your goal and you didn't see the point at the time. Totally un= derstandable... there were things in school I pushed away for the same reas= ons.... like learning George VanEps chord solos.... zzzzzz >> >> my thought about this whole thing is: >> >> if your goal is to be really really good at a very focused thing that do= esn't have harmony that changes quickly, like ambient music, you probably d= on't need music school. >> >> if you want to have a diverse skill set, music school is probably right = for you. I learned how to arrange for big band, how to compose a modal jazz= song, how to hear every chord from every mode of the 4 main modal systems,= all about jazz standards and chord substitutions, accompanying a singer in= a duo, what swing is.... and a whole plethora of other things. I don't use= them all every day now, 26 years later... but I sure have appreciated know= ing all that stuff throughout the years. >> >> and.... really the number one reason music school is great: the fellow s= tudents... if you're at the right school... I guess, like anything else, so= me schools suck and some are good and therefore the quality of students att= racted follows. >> >> Rick, your story is really awesome.... you sure are not a lazy man >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 21:29:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D212183473; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170219 Subject: Re: Not having musical training - the good and the bad From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:29:08 -0500 Message-id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:29:34 +0000 (UTC) wow.... well that's a lot of stuff... I have some time I found it odd that you feel the need to categorize things as good and bad. What's with the labels? If you have an identity in music then it doesn't really matter how you got there... you like it, nothing else matters. I also find it sad that you presumed so much about the 'music theory community' to keep from learning.... who are those people anyway? I don't know them... I know some, not all, music theory... but I don't experience it as any kind of community of people who are frowning down on other people who don't know the modes or how to read. Sounds like you had a lot of fear based motivation back then. Then again... who of us didn't have that in our 20's? I was always afraid that I was seen as a 'lamester' because I couldn't play bebop as authentically as I wanted. Later on, when all the beboppers were trying to learn how to bend notes and rock out, I realized that was pretty hard for them too and felt better... not many people can do everything well... but trying helps. As far as your reasons for disliking "western notation": people make up their own symbols all the time in charts. It's a guideline and it works cause other people can read it. For instance... most of the time I don't write in any key because my lines are too chromatic and it would be hard to remember all the sharps/flats AND apply the ones I add for the 'out' notes... so... I just write in C most of the time even if the bass is playing something in another key. Also... I don't know what kind of fekockteh scores you looked at, but the spacing is supposed to be distributed based on lengths of notes... so there's goes that... and... if the shapes of the notes showed dynamics, it would be too complex to read... especially if your eyesight is not so good... the dynamic system in place works great... if you know how to read it. It takes work... If you did lay out a system that actually made more sense than the music notation we all know, or adapted it for your purposes, I would be very impressed and interested. However, what you've laid out here... with all due respect... It's just a bunch of lame arguments you're making to excuse yourself for not learning how to read. and... To me, music theory is something you learn so that you can forget it later after you chewed it up and understand it.... not something that you learn so it can infiltrate your music and make you sound like you went to school... the people that learn theory and get stuck there and sound like they know some theory when they play weren't going to play from the heart anyway, whether they learned theory or not. I have a ton of respect for your ability to express yourself, your willingness to put all these thoughts in a public forum.... and I listened to your music online and really dug it. I think you are, by nature and from a young age, an avant garde composer who went to a school that didn't offer a program in your chosen field of composition. Had you attended somewhere appropriate to that genre, like New England Conservatory, you would have flourished and been encouraged... and probably learned how to read, and maybe even invented a new system of notation that would have been used worldwide... Teddy On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > It's a few different elements, and I admit that I'm probably full of BS. > > 1) At the time I was entering college, the instruments I played were > almost entirely non-melodic instruments - mostly tapes, effects and > contact microphones. The classes my college were offering focused > primarily on melody and harmony. > 2) Any melodies in music I was making at the time were pretty basic > and minimal, and I didn't see any need to grow beyond that at the > time. (This was the time of techno, industrial and punk rock being > very popular.) Even now, I'm much more interested in the > characteristics of the sound than the actual melody, but I have to > admit that harmony and pitch have a lot to do with the > characteristics. > 2) I had this thing in my head at the time that learning music theory > would = conformity. In the mind of an 19 year-old misfit like me, > conformity was a 4-letter word at the time. > 3) It seemed at the time like it would be a lot of work for a little > gain. I was learning stuff at home that excited me a lot more. > Learning a new scale didn't seem that interesting compared to learning > how to make a chair shriek emotively across a cement floor > 4) I was afraid that the sounds I was interested in would be seen as > worthless in the music theory community. (That was probably not true.) > 5) Part of me got all grumpy when I thought I discovered some great > new tone cluster or quirky melody through breaking a bunch of rules, > and then some music theory person would say "oh, that's just a > blankity blank scale". Part of me really wanted to believe I was the > first/only person doing it. Later, my perspective was "ok, everything > I do melodically is going to have a name in music theory, but that > doesn't mean I can't do it." > 6) Somehow, learning the science behind how everything worked felt > like it was going to take all the wonder of discovery out of music. > Imagine that you're just about to see Star Wars for the first time, > but before doing so, you have to listen to a Joseph Cambell lecture > discussing everything that's going to happen in the movie and how > everything is a literature device that's been around for thousands of > years. That's what it felt it would be like. > 7) And here's one that I thought was wise: I wanted to enter adulthood > with skills other than making music. I could always make music for > fun, but I didn't honestly think I was going to have a career making > the weird music I was interested in. I wanted to be an engineer > producer at the time, but was realizing that I didn't have the > patience to butt heads with people in bands. > So, anyway, now I'm a grown-up, about 17 years after the decision to > not major in music. What's it like now? > > The good: > --Sometimes there's an assumption made that if you don't take music > theory, you don't learn *anything*. That's not true. I learned > different stuff. > --Whenever I hit a wall, I either worked around it or turned my focus > in a different direction. I don't think I'd be as sonically unique if > I didn't hit as many walls. > --I think I do ok as a musician. In the improvised music world, people > like playing with me because I'm unique and I've learned how to adapt > quickly to what they're doing. > --I think I'm slightly more successful as a musician than I would be > if my skills were more standardized. (If I was doing stuff that more > people did, I don't think I'd measure up as well.) > --I think I'm happier to be in a non-music related profession. I don't > rely on my artistic energy to pay my bills. All my artistic energy can > be spent doing the things I want. > --Many of the music majors I know are struggling to remain in a > music-related profession, as if it would be a failure if they did > something else. > --I don't make a huge amount of money at my day job, but I make more > than many of my professional musician friends. > --I don't depend on music to "defend my existence". That's kind of a > biggie. As a teen, that was my only perceived value about myself. Now > I have a lot of skills that are independent of that. I might do ok in > a zombie apocalypse. > > The bad: > --I'm musically naive - very much so. If I happen to stumble on a > great melody, it's usually by accident. I'm sure I play a lot of > things that sound great to me, but are old news to people who have the > training. I get stuck in ruts very easily. > --I can't communicate my musical ideas very well. I can't write sheet > music. The best I can do is play it myself and hope other people can > imitate it the way I hear it. If I can't play it myself, then I'm > screwed. > --Sometimes when trying to get other musicians to play for me, > sometimes I'm frustrated that people don't think about things the same > way I do. For example, I want a written cue for: "Try to make it sound > like you're playing the drums from 16 feet away with 3 broomsticks > tied together. No, you're way too accurate. Really, you need to sound > like ... no, now you're just being silly. You need to sound like it's > a really clumsy interface, but you're doing the best you can with it." > --I'm the dumbest person in any band. Or at least I feel that way. I > learn pretty well by ear and trial & error, but that's a lot slower > than those who can read sheet music or be told "go from A chord to D > chord". > --I miss a lot of opportunities: I often have to miss out on playing > in improvised orchestras and other group-oriented projects because I > can't read their sheet music. Likewise, I've also been afraid to sign > up for collaborative residencies out of fear that I'd be the only one > there who doesn't speak the language. > --At this point of my life, it would be nice to know how to orchestrate. > > So, why don't I drop everything I'm doing and learn to read western > notation? I simply don't like the system. I think the musical staff > should be written chromatically, rather than requiring the reader > pre-memorize a pattern of valid notes (and then breaking that rule > with sharps and flats). I want the symbol for a half-note rest to > actually look like it takes more time than a quarter note rest. I'd > like to see notes take up as much room on a bar as their duration. (A > 1/4 note takes up 1/4 of the bar.) It would be nice if the shape of > the note represented the note's dynamics. > Lastly, I want intervals to be standardized. I want "a third" to be an > interval of 3 chromatic notes, not sometimes 5 notes and sometimes 4 > notes. Then people could memorize a major scale as "2,2,1,2,2,2,1" > (which people already understand). > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > Teddy Kumpel was all: >> such an interesting topic... >> >> Matt... Do you think you still find music interesting BECAUSE you decided to stay away from institutional learning? I think you would have stayed interested no matter what... you just found all the music school stuff too far away from your goal and you didn't see the point at the time. Totally understandable... there were things in school I pushed away for the same reasons.... like learning George VanEps chord solos.... zzzzzz >> >> my thought about this whole thing is: >> >> if your goal is to be really really good at a very focused thing that doesn't have harmony that changes quickly, like ambient music, you probably don't need music school. >> >> if you want to have a diverse skill set, music school is probably right for you. I learned how to arrange for big band, how to compose a modal jazz song, how to hear every chord from every mode of the 4 main modal systems, all about jazz standards and chord substitutions, accompanying a singer in a duo, what swing is.... and a whole plethora of other things. I don't use them all every day now, 26 years later... but I sure have appreciated knowing all that stuff throughout the years. >> >> and.... really the number one reason music school is great: the fellow students... if you're at the right school... I guess, like anything else, some schools suck and some are good and therefore the quality of students attracted follows. >> >> Rick, your story is really awesome.... you sure are not a lazy man >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 21:41:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8457B183466; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F3EC97A.3070407@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:41:14 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6nlX4C.A.jzB.FmsPPB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:41:25 +0000 (UTC) On 2/17/12 12:35 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > studying with only one teacher boot camp style, while a good thing for all the reasons Rick said... is in no way a replacement for a great music school. totally different thing. Depends entirely on who that teacher is, Teddy. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 22:04:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E6F3183474; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of krispen.hartung@gmail.com designates 10.60.5.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.5.193; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of krispen.hartung@gmail.com designates 10.60.5.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=krispen.hartung@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=krispen.hartung@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=MX0LkS8EZP00fGAtGdBIpXRgoGULeNpfXTuU3n7/jqY=; b=NYuEz2KJPN+4OMwf/vjXrbubv9ENUW8uVEGTw3/OWcbYVkPUKL0PFrH2Vky8u1uJcy 5Lqs8lbLj8vDqhz3BaBg64l4KznbNlAd8P2n1wvFMOwfUhbt0NeCkTwY+fnvE3xT9alW sisj4sBQjEHVHIP0LaWvkuyS3ugK4fy4Bskm8= Message-ID: <060B2E5DC50242D4AC7BD33036F6DAC6@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Not having musical training - the good and the bad (somewhat OT?) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:04:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Not to derail or get too silly but from my improvisational guitarist standpoint... The Good: It gives you a wide array of tools, clichés, patterns, theoretical approaches, etc to use at your disposal The Bad: It gives you a wide array of tools, clichés, patterns, theoretical approaches, etc to use at your disposal I haven't played traditional jazz for over 4 years now. When I did, I was playing a regular house gig and totally immersed into jazz theory, where my musical training was totally beneficial and necessary. It has taken me almost that entire 4 years to purge most all of that shit out of my brain (consciously at least to the point where I can't easily retrieve it on the fly). Now when I play free improv, I am not recalling all that theoretical memory, but the main thing I struggle with now is finger memory. For example, my fingers are just used to playing certain modes, patterns, voicings, etc. I fight it constantly but can generally be successful at playing spontaneously. I am getting ready to play piano. I've been playing the piano more lately. I can't read music on the piano, nor could I play a mode or chord quickly if you asked me to. I could figure it out with my knowledge of chord theory, but it would be useless in a performance setting. Because I have no finger memory or immediate recall of theory and musical training at play or intervening when I am on the piano, I am finding that my improvisations are really, really fun and liberating. They feel totally unrestrained and expressive in the raw sense. The cool thing is that I have the finger agility to express myself on the piano, I just couldn't tell you what I am doing. Consider this an experiment. If someone asked me if I planned on taking piano lessons, I'd say hell no. I want to keep my relationship withe instrument pure, raw, and without any skills or knowledge that will eventually intervene in my playing. But we'll see how long I can maintain this, because occassionally I will play a freely improvised chord, and my brain says...hmmm, that sounds suspicously like an Dom7b5b9. I'd rather not know. I am sure over time will develop my own cliches, but for now I am going to take advantage of the newness. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 22:08:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 891CE183473; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.175.36 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.175.36; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.175.36 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bG5HnHbC1pYKWrUTFOdKI1B1uBFB6wJMiNJA26vRiik=; b=og29kpQl2Q644sOdGmsUHHUeL3JSMzsVrld9jWFPMZ7KRP5BLbeHsPQRXz80Q28UTj IjZwtwpo/FlU1XoxE9rQpvlsOCx9lJqU9Tei9OQoKC5u8V9cZF1cFAwlwvmb/T22DhUc VCWRXseuS4WxjXC9TkRGAZsTMR21s4stZ6iOc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F3EC97A.3070407@cruzio.com> References: <4F3EC97A.3070407@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:08:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:08:13 +0000 (UTC) > On 2/17/12 12:35 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >> >> studying with only one teacher boot camp style, while a good thing for all >> the reasons Rick said... is in no way a replacement for a great music >> school. totally different thing. > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Depends entirely on who that teacher is, Teddy. Or who the fellow students are, Rick & Teddy! ;-) There are schools where you may learn more from the buddies surrounding you in that environment. Just think about how many great bands have started "back at art school". This proves that it isn't "learning music" per se that boosts creativity but the social environment at the school where creative people inspire each other. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 23:43:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39A6183466; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170262 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:43:47 -0500 Message-id: <30B2F3A3-6E55-4B07-ACEB-870C5F891074@mac.com> References: <4F3EC97A.3070407@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:43:49 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> On 2/17/12 12:35 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>> >>> studying with only one teacher boot camp style, while a good thing for all >>> the reasons Rick said... is in no way a replacement for a great music >>> school. totally different thing. >> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> >> Depends entirely on who that teacher is, Teddy. > > Or who the fellow students are, Rick & Teddy! ;-) > There are schools where you may learn more from the buddies > surrounding you in that environment. Just think about how many great > bands have started "back at art school". This proves that it isn't > "learning music" per se that boosts creativity but the social > environment at the school where creative people inspire each other. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen for sure on both counts... to Per: like I said in another post... some music schools suck so the fellow students are not so high caliber. And.... yes, ALSO... it's, of course, possible to not even be a music student and come up with an amazing band with your friends who are also not music students... that's not what we were discussing. to Rick: I just mean that it's like comparing apples and oranges... 1 guy teaching everything a whole school can teach can't be in any way similar to being at a school where are not only a bunch of amazing teachers but also a bunch of amazing students to learn from... even if all the material taught in both situations is exactly the same... I don't believe one is a replacement for another, even if they are both good or one costs less From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 23:50:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97917183466; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eterogenus@gmail.com designates 10.14.33.212 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.14.33.212; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eterogenus@gmail.com designates 10.14.33.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eterogenus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=eterogenus@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=5EbzwDIKoY8KgIuEMRHIzlZzxs76c5DAizoCfpcReWA=; b=V1jiT9gw76XpRMfFD524DLTNZPi8gLDxN72nhrHZ6B9Waq4MWpDwb8/RpWLl2R7P9X VmobQMwmMgYByN/mqzKQpqndfa/0ktt57pqz1u9CwQkN/Y36Bub4eUf3Dd3ql3mrzO5E Jwne1Tah0Ix7BMQ0q2P2Kl7ITG1XwDgNFeR9M= Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> From: F_Anile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:50:41 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Interesting discussion and perspectives, so great to know your opinions. mark francombe ha scritto: > Have to say it... although learning to play music is better "in situ"... w= hile actually playing it, either with friends or with a personal mentor.. go= tta be... no denying it... > ...I don't think anyone should be advising people to "not take an educatio= n".=20 Mark said exactly what I was thinking about it. I'm a classical trained pianist. My mother started educating me when I was 8 years old and I remember how dif= ficult it was. When i was able to play piano with both hands I started havin= g fun and after a while I quitted my mother's lessons. A few years later I asked her for a professional teacher. At the beginning it was a pain in the ass, because I had to start from the b= eginning, one finger at time....I hate her.. But later - after 2 years of disciplined study - I understood that she was c= orrecting some mistakes I wasn't aware of. =46rom that moment, ALL changed.= I started loved her approach: she opened me a new world and later she asked m= e to play for her my own (simple) compositions...then she asked me to listen= the music I was listen to: Keith Jarret, Paco de Lucia, king crimson and o= thers...We started to go together to some non accademical gigs...what fabolo= us time I had with her (she was 65 years old and I was 18-19...) The story ended a few years later, when I was graduating in law and I had to= go for the 8* year of classical piano exam..it was too much for me and I ha= d to decide 1 path for my life. I suffered for my decision to quit piano lessons, but today when I talk to p= ro musicians they often tell me they feel like prostitutes, 'cos they have t= o play every kind of music just to survive, while I feel free to exprees mys= elf as I like In those years I studied and loved J.S. Bach and many others classical compo= sers, and at the same time I was learning jazz harmonies, playing with bands= and making music each minute of my spare time (as I still do). I acquired a big knowledge about music (from pop to avant-gard) and today I'= m grateful that I got ALL of that, because I had both an accademical educati= on and "practice". I have played with many bands, many different musical genres and sometimes (= rarely I'd say) I found someone who was very talented and gifted who was abl= e to play beautifully without knowing NOTHING about theory, chords and harmo= ny.=20 But in my experience those guys were an exception (or better: exceptionally g= ifted musicians); the majority of those who played music as self-taught musi= cians had always trouble if they were asked to play something they haven't t= ried before.=20 And sometimes I had trouble to make them understand some BASICS building a s= ong. You have to educate your fingers, your mind and your emotions: music require= s not only taste, but mind too. As Sch=C3=B6nberg wrote, the idea that music is just a matter of ispiration i= s false and I heard the same concept from Paco De Lucia (...do you know what= I mean ?) That's why I think accademical studies are so important That's clearly MY experience. The reality is so wide...I surely don't have t= he truth. Thanks all for sharing your toughts and experiences -Fabio=20 www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 23:59:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6047D183474; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of billowhead@gmail.com designates 10.180.95.1 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.95.1; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of billowhead@gmail.com designates 10.180.95.1 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=billowhead@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=billowhead@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zFkQkq/Z0EJhJEa/saxPVpDiAS2ze0hXp0btwywd35U=; b=W/rGuQ5k9FfZgdc1db/CWLEWeY6kzC+hEmQc1eARDg+v7l60gYlZnCvSuwL6pB2jSp lipVELo7xtFJkhWCMpiQND/c/nMMXGlvcMs19nJaUiflGCC13iLIsqBd15MYqukKlhNJ AR+w++2i34l3ryB87MLFpDnzEyE9z6FC4WmNA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:59:51 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Music School/Theory From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:59:52 +0000 (UTC) So, a corollary of a question. If knowing too much about music theory isn't a detriment to one's playing (seems to be the consensus that it shouldn't be), is it possible that too much theory, etc., is a detriment to your listening? Has anyone here found themselves unable to enjoy music they could have once upon a time before they knew about the structures of music? Or that they enjoyed things less once they understood the workings (or lack of workings depending on the music)? Just a random question to send you off to the weekend. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 00:02:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31266183473; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170268 Subject: Re: OT: Music School/Theory From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:02:03 -0500 Message-id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:02:23 +0000 (UTC) quite the opposite is true for me On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > So, a corollary of a question. > > If knowing too much about music theory isn't a detriment to one's > playing (seems to be the consensus that it shouldn't be), is it > possible that too much theory, etc., is a detriment to your listening? > > Has anyone here found themselves unable to enjoy music they could have > once upon a time before they knew about the structures of music? Or > that they enjoyed things less once they understood the workings (or > lack of workings depending on the music)? > > Just a random question to send you off to the weekend. > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 00:05:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 886CD183473; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170270 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:05:17 -0500 Message-id: References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:05:20 +0000 (UTC) what's wrong with feeling like a prostitute? can be fun if you REALLY REALLY REALLY like all different types of sex/music, I think... even types that degrade you.... "ouch, that chord makes me feel so degraded, it hurts my soul".... Teddy On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:50 PM, F_Anile wrote: > today when I talk to pro musicians they often tell me they feel like prostitutes, 'cos they have to play every kind of music just to survive, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 00:17:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3286818345D; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.60.9.228 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.9.228; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.60.9.228 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oYLa8wiHJQwtpSBazdHz2xHed+Zxz6PA/WgVvwkDsNg=; b=WavhJwB9qA/3D3anK3u78au/wVYjTKK0ZjrRz6nk4Wbqhfvc177cuKKS3OMgs3ESMk w4VUUYay1obipo2xy1iXAJKuxyF6qw4Wy90ljl92kur8CJp3iqy5J0CRPkIhEFtZhGp9 Pa4o2v4qB3aIy3oeqa+d564y/pKZuvvCPZHh4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:17:37 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music School/Theory From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:17:38 +0000 (UTC) To disagree with my 19-year-old self, I think having more music theory would help one enjoy music more, but it would probably make that person more picky about the music they like. The only experience I can speak from is that when I learned how to do certain recording tricks (such as backwards reverb, for example), I've come to enjoy hearing them more in other peoples' music. I often refer to Jimi Hendrix's "Are You Experienced" as an example in my argument of "No really - people actually LIKE weird music." If I wasn't aware of the studio trickery in the song, I certainly wouldn't appreciate it as much as I do. On the other hand, it makes me demand more of that production-level creativity in the music that I listen to. Modern pop-punk bores the pants off me. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt Kevin Cheli-Colando was like: > >> So, a corollary of a question. >> >> If knowing too much about music theory isn't a detriment to one's >> playing (seems to be the consensus that it shouldn't be), is it >> possible that too much theory, etc., is a detriment to your listening? >> >> Has anyone here found themselves unable to enjoy music they could have >> once upon a time before they knew about the structures of music? =A0Or >> that they enjoyed things less once they understood the workings (or >> lack of workings depending on the music)? >> >> Just a random question to send you off to the weekend. >> >> Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 00:18:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4551183475; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.75.135 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.75.135; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.75.135 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=dq6iCs7TXKBxchY7V4UtkNCUol1vkgd+r4BKxIRz6co=; b=XnUGvFE9g3j/94NepFqAyL6Fk12IkS3f52DpcAAYSBERKmgZX+8oFmphsYVKZ7KZpL 3hDjXKuoYdwnStpU4Zy1gLy6U0APhf1zUBXgFKG7ItXdcv7urHXrsSuo7jAUmr/K3+Qh OQnBr++afRWVOfQ9Fo/c0jbRYtkDDQ+ojldNU= Subject: Re: OT: Music School/Theory References: From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5DD8A68C-AC82-4E78-B235-C30E68AF7890@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:18:17 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:18:24 +0000 (UTC) I think it's definitely possible. It somewhat happened to me. After getting i= nto a classical song that I learned for piano, I suddenly found myself looki= ng down on dubstep and other electronic music i previously loved. I've manag= ed to, with hopes and prayers, force myself back in love with electronic mus= ic and now I have a broader appreciation for many music genres. So yes it th= ink its definitely possible to degrade your favorites after learning theory b= ut if you can remind yourself that music doesnt have to be complex or text b= ook you will regain that joy but in a more knowledgeable state. Kaylon On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > quite the opposite is true for me >=20 > On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >=20 >> So, a corollary of a question. >>=20 >> If knowing too much about music theory isn't a detriment to one's >> playing (seems to be the consensus that it shouldn't be), is it >> possible that too much theory, etc., is a detriment to your listening? >>=20 >> Has anyone here found themselves unable to enjoy music they could have >> once upon a time before they knew about the structures of music? Or >> that they enjoyed things less once they understood the workings (or >> lack of workings depending on the music)? >>=20 >> Just a random question to send you off to the weekend. >>=20 >> Kevin >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 00:30:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EEC918345C; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEBBEB930F6C31_1A28_2F3FA_webmail-m173.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35478-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEBBEB93038556-1A28-CED5@webmail-m173.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.27.154] Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:29:56 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1329524997; bh=pP8XSa5+TLSKXSmJCFq5ce8Wlu0bIeMw407bflnLHOw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dDzTZpeVoZ64qWca8uGW6330wtAjil4LREyzllf25qiIzx79fzqAYpriTa+fGJK3G DCht5s3HDRyU9iCVCqZaoEXzaSII/9tJ7pPdI2vLoBp8rG/qIieG7mwUWeN6xgIRDB yAXGEaO8Y2Ubm89x4JltuKJt98xD3TBIKtD+KdJk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:285361504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84f3ef104059e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:30:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEBBEB930F6C31_1A28_2F3FA_webmail-m173.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FFFFFAAAAAAABBBBBIIIIIOOOOOOO sez: what fabolous=20 time I had with her (she was 65 years old and I was 18-19...) you and those older women!.....yikes!!!!! =20 ----------MB_8CEBBEB930F6C31_1A28_2F3FA_webmail-m173.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" FFFFFAAAAAAABBBBBIIIIIOOOOOOO sez:<= /font>
what fabolous=20 time I had with her (she was 65 years old and I was 18-19...)

you and those older women!.....= yikes!!!!!
----------MB_8CEBBEB930F6C31_1A28_2F3FA_webmail-m173.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 00:37:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7CAD183474; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17,2012-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170279 Subject: Re: OT: Music School/Theory From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <1B9FB541-9AF9-4DE9-B3CF-DA530F19B9EA@me.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:37:04 -0500 Message-id: References: <5DD8A68C-AC82-4E78-B235-C30E68AF7890@gmail.com> <1B9FB541-9AF9-4DE9-B3CF-DA530F19B9EA@me.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:37:51 +0000 (UTC) it is certainly possible to get caught in the trap of thinking simple music is now boring because you know how scales and chords work... true after you graduate from that part of your knowledge... i.e. you know it enough to forget it... thankfully, there's a whole world of soul music to sooth you after the pain of that stance. On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Gmail wrote: > I think it's definitely possible. It somewhat happened to me. After getting into a classical song that I learned for piano, I suddenly found myself looking down on dubstep and other electronic music i previously loved. I've managed to, with hopes and prayers, force myself back in love with electronic music and now I have a broader appreciation for many music genres. So yes it think its definitely possible to degrade your favorites after learning theory but if you can remind yourself that music doesnt have to be complex or text book you will regain that joy but in a more knowledgeable state. > > Kaylon > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > >> quite the opposite is true for me >> >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> >>> So, a corollary of a question. >>> >>> If knowing too much about music theory isn't a detriment to one's >>> playing (seems to be the consensus that it shouldn't be), is it >>> possible that too much theory, etc., is a detriment to your listening? >>> >>> Has anyone here found themselves unable to enjoy music they could have >>> once upon a time before they knew about the structures of music? Or >>> that they enjoyed things less once they understood the workings (or >>> lack of workings depending on the music)? >>> >>> Just a random question to send you off to the weekend. >>> >>> Kevin >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 01:08:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2730E183466; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=EVS2v94V+HgGayiGcbuwJHCHsP6vvQk1eBBFyWTITZc= c=1 sm=2 a=kjdb436P8x8A:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=Vr9CU1rohCIxnBfnwvYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=vrUtPK1EuWohi1GUj5IA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.198.2 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--967189422 Subject: Re: To those who make a living off of music Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:08:48 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4F3D46E6.20503@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <80F55705-47E8-4A7B-B6A7-9B095411F0E3@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:08:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--967189422 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ramakrishna had a great expression, which I paraphrase as, "All roads = lead to God." Same is true for music. The Beatles, most of the modern film composers = (I learned that from an agent for many of the big ones), Hendrix and = Dylan and Robert Johnson and blah blah all have done very well without = any training. =20 Some get highly trained and become piano tuners and play in lounge acts. = I know quite a few. Some go to music school and the match is right and they do very well.=20 If the stars line up and you put in your 10,000 hours and you're in the = right place at the right time you succeed (either financially or by = living a life of true love). =20 Music is a vast continent with billions of hectares of unexplored = territory... and trillions of acres of old territory that can be seen = anew - and rejuvenated - with new eyes - trained or untrained. =20 To me, it's all about the heart, the imagination and how your passion = for music and work ethic come together. Besides jazz and the classical composers, it happens that most of my = heroes are untrained. =20 Different strokes work. Those who got to the farther shore by breast = stroke are certain that's the only way. Those who dog paddled are = convinced dog paddling is the path of wisdom. What's important is to = not drown and die in the water. Disclosure: I did major in music for a semester. That was when rock and = roll was still too young to take seriously. I bailed because that was = what I wanted, but I enjoyed the one semester of struggle. Long, funny = story. ..... And prostitution? Not bad. But after decades of it, sometimes you just = wanna work standing up with your clothes on! And the occasional = 'beatings' are horrible. I was lucky that it only happened a couple = times and lucky because I've always been good with my fists! Disclosure #2 - I really loved my years as a prostitute (recording = studio for artists and then film / commercial composer). I'm really = glad they're over! But I did learn how to turn on the love at will - a = handy trick that I still use all the time. I learned tons doing it. = Musical boot camp! Whatever it takes to get to the far shore! However you get there. = Arriving is the key. Sometimes, only you know when you've arrived. But that doesn't = matter... because you are there, basking in the sun, enjoying life, = plucking your guitar (etc). That's all that matters! Enjoy! r richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > what's wrong with feeling like a prostitute? can be fun if you REALLY = REALLY REALLY like all different types of sex/music, I think... even = types that degrade you.... "ouch, that chord makes me feel so degraded, = it hurts my soul".... >=20 > Teddy >=20 > On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:50 PM, F_Anile wrote: >=20 >> today when I talk to pro musicians they often tell me they feel like = prostitutes, 'cos they have to play every kind of music just to survive,=20= >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--967189422 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Same is true for music.  The = Beatles, most of the modern film composers (I learned that from an agent = for many of the big ones), Hendrix and Dylan and Robert Johnson and blah = blah all have done very well without any training. =  

Some get highly trained and become piano = tuners and play in lounge acts.  I know quite a = few.

Some go to music school and the match is = right and they do very well. 

If the stars = line up and you put in your 10,000 hours and you're in the right place = at the right time you succeed (either financially or by living a life of = true love).  

Music is a vast continent = with billions of hectares of unexplored territory... and trillions of = acres of old territory that can be seen anew - and rejuvenated - with = new eyes - trained or untrained.  

To me, = it's all about the heart, the imagination and how your passion for music = and work ethic come together.

Besides jazz and = the classical composers, it happens that most of my heroes are = untrained.  

Different strokes work. =  Those who got to the farther shore by breast stroke are certain = that's the only way.  Those who dog paddled are convinced dog = paddling is the path of wisdom.  What's important is to not drown = and die in the water.

Disclosure: I did major = in music for a semester.  That was when rock and roll was still too = young to take seriously.  I bailed because that was what I wanted, = but I enjoyed the one semester of struggle.  Long, funny = story.

.....

And = prostitution?  Not bad.  But after decades of it, sometimes = you just wanna work standing up with your clothes on!  And the = occasional 'beatings' are horrible.  I was lucky that it only = happened a couple times and lucky because I've always been good with my = fists!

Disclosure #2 - I really loved my years = as a prostitute (recording studio for artists and then film / commercial = composer).  I'm really glad they're over!  But I did learn how = to turn on the love at will - a handy trick that I still use all the = time. I learned tons doing it.  Musical boot = camp!

Whatever it takes to get to the far = shore!  However you get there.  Arriving is the = key.

Sometimes, only you know when you've = arrived.  But that doesn't matter... because you are there, basking = in the sun, enjoying life, plucking your guitar = (etc).

That's all that = matters!

Enjoy!

r

richard sales
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= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:

what's = wrong with feeling like a prostitute? can be fun if you REALLY REALLY = REALLY like all different types of sex/music, I think... even types that = degrade you.... "ouch, that chord makes me feel so degraded, it hurts my = soul"....

Teddy

On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:50 PM, F_Anile = wrote:

today when I talk to pro = musicians they often tell me they feel like prostitutes, 'cos they have = to play every kind of music just to survive, =


= --Apple-Mail-1--967189422-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 01:20:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4A43183474; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-18_01:2012-02-17,2012-02-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170290 Subject: Re: OT: Music School/Theory From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:20:01 -0800 Message-id: <64ADFDE4-C85D-4133-96FC-E5A35FADF6D2@mac.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:20:12 +0000 (UTC) > Has anyone here found themselves unable to enjoy music they could have > once upon a time before they knew about the structures of music? Or > that they enjoyed things less once they understood the workings (or > lack of workings depending on the music)? For me, increased musical literacy has deepened my appreciation for the craft of music without diminishing the mystery -- whether on the stage or in the audience. For instance, with respect to harmony--I recognize the elements of tension and release in the movement from I to V chord and back again. I did not always know how to deconstruct the elements of music like this. But just because I do now, this has not in any way reduced the deeper meaning of music for me. The greater mystery for me is around the interplay between biology and instrument - brain wave and sound wave. Why do we get gooseflesh when the back line drops out and the anticipated IV maj chord turns out to be a iv minor? These amazing experiences are what drew me to music back when I was a child- before I had any ability to identify the building blocks beneath the music. These mysteries have only become richer the more I have learned about the building blocks. I have a related question.. perhaps rhetorical. Do any of us feel that we have lost the mystery of enjoying a good narrative because we learned to spell, read, write, conjugate verbs and in all manner of ways learn to express ourselves with great clarity? Did these skills undermine our enjoyment of communication? Of movies? Of Loopers Delight? Enjoying you all. Daniel On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > So, a corollary of a question. > > If knowing too much about music theory isn't a detriment to one's > playing (seems to be the consensus that it shouldn't be), is it > possible that too much theory, etc., is a detriment to your listening? > > Has anyone here found themselves unable to enjoy music they could have > once upon a time before they knew about the structures of music? Or > that they enjoyed things less once they understood the workings (or > lack of workings depending on the music)? > > Just a random question to send you off to the weekend. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 01:37:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0581183466; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-18_01:2012-02-17,2012-02-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170296 Subject: Re: OT: Music School/Theory From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <5DD8A68C-AC82-4E78-B235-C30E68AF7890@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:37:32 -0800 Message-id: References: <5DD8A68C-AC82-4E78-B235-C30E68AF7890@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <9weCUB.A.b4E.pDwPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:37:45 +0000 (UTC) > So yes it think its definitely possible to degrade your favorites after learning theory but if you can remind yourself that music doesnt have to be complex or text book you will regain that joy but in a more knowledgeable state. > I grew up in Oklahoma where the best coffee you could get came from the Waffle House-- I loved it man. Now--I can't drink that sh#t anymore after 25 years of west coast coffee exposure. I was once absolutely nutso for any kind of complicated music- Mahavishnu Orchestra was too light for breakfast. I needed King Crimson's most dissonant and nauseating guitar knot in order to feel cool enough to face the day. I did not know theory then. I could not identify the time signature or the harmonic content of the progressive music that I aspired too. This was back before I put a lot of effort into becoming a part musician--A simple hook worshiper who put the groove above the move (Thank you Walker Bros- my greatest mentors in this regard.) It was a humbling pursuit and it is also how I really came to be serious about understanding the building blocks of music. Its interesting to note that theory, though increasing my capacity for musical complexity, also increased my capacity for musical diversity and my appreciation for musical accessibility. My own music became simpler. I did not loose appreciate for complexity but gained appreciation for wider field of art. Don't get me wrong. Some of my favorite playas can't count or read or orchestrate. Bela Fleck. All ear. One is not better than the other in my view. But -- fear of theory seems like fear of spelling to me. Not necessary. She don't bite. Its bad teachers who bite. Now there is a good OT thread. Best/Worst Teach You Ever Had D On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Gmail wrote: > I think it's definitely possible. It somewhat happened to me. After getting into a classical song that I learned for piano, I suddenly found myself looking down on dubstep and other electronic music i previously loved. I've managed to, with hopes and prayers, force myself back in love with electronic music and now I have a broader appreciation for many music genres. So yes it think its definitely possible to degrade your favorites after learning theory but if you can remind yourself that music doesnt have to be complex or text book you will regain that joy but in a more knowledgeable state. > > Kaylon > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > >> quite the opposite is true for me >> >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> >>> So, a corollary of a question. >>> >>> If knowing too much about music theory isn't a detriment to one's >>> playing (seems to be the consensus that it shouldn't be), is it >>> possible that too much theory, etc., is a detriment to your listening? >>> >>> Has anyone here found themselves unable to enjoy music they could have >>> once upon a time before they knew about the structures of music? Or >>> that they enjoyed things less once they understood the workings (or >>> lack of workings depending on the music)? >>> >>> Just a random question to send you off to the weekend. >>> >>> Kevin >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 02:15:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B3C5183475; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.50.208.4 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.208.4; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.50.208.4 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B818183466; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.193.232 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.193.232; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.193.232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=Hjwxz2EYTisrLZoyrC705F2vyGChm8fusxsgkfY5WO4=; b=iQRRywSNaIbAB4hUm+W9CzsCS1eFYnsoQg6ocWrG2uY9azcMVVJTtA80lsqbxGxWMt E6L++rjXIv+54O31sWlLVjwwcmeROu9842dKdUuuNB+D5x6Cjaj9VwLjn7OOY2LG/s/s 0tgEazuvoQ3TNEoIwZGjD5WrCdKjXnctPLzOs= Message-ID: <4f3f1a6a.4114440a.6838.ffffcd22@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:26:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Loss of the initial song idea From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally started out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely feeling the connection between what I had made so far and the vision that I had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that initial feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted from that feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 04:29:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CE20183465; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7951330EDDAC4D28BFE297A19B8E7F93@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4f3f1a6a.4114440a.6838.ffffcd22@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3f1a6a.4114440a.6838.ffffcd22@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:29:52 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Go away from it and return later, perhaps. -----Original Message----- From: k3zz21@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 3:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loss of the initial song idea Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally started out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely feeling the connection between what I had made so far and the vision that I had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that initial feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted from that feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 04:43:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32F80183474; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <4f3f1a6a.4114440a.6838.ffffcd22@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3f1a6a.4114440a.6838.ffffcd22@mx.google.com> Subject: RE: Loss of the initial song idea Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:43:20 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01ccedf7$d8773da0$8965b8e0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQEVzo6pchDlseA/DIDEZcRL9WJ4S5ewUbYQ Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 014F3E2E002D28014F3F7B X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <-Hp4F.A.7fG.txyPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:43:25 +0000 (UTC) You can also take the song in its self-inspired new direction and see where it leads. There's no rule that says that one song can't eventually become two or more songs. Also you can distance yourself from it. Or you can add all types of stuff to it and build it up ad nauseum. Then strip away whatever isn't rain (if that's still what you want). Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com -----Original Message----- From: k3zz21@gmail.com [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loss of the initial song idea Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally started out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely feeling the connection between what I had made so far and the vision that I had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that initial feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted from that feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 04:50:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55F5183473; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kahsmith@gmail.com designates 10.205.127.141 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.205.127.141; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kahsmith@gmail.com designates 10.205.127.141 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kahsmith@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kahsmith@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zJskCIV4idw2S3DRY9Ey0SfKuS/1Zd5Qb/WGQ5LAqp4=; b=osMHQHj1/yrplXv2HQZgktfINL0Kor9zhTEKAFNNxVLBIL1KCkBR9CZ3dLdVpjKE5H Dt8m0ZDbGxhqcsAs00wsdHKW2KdhPaaeGoCdNAfaFnRmdDhrxUqMGNXo2PznEpn8YC8M wQWFY96C+1Y4yNHLiOH6PRw6vsnNCbankgf2o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7951330EDDAC4D28BFE297A19B8E7F93@ELUK1> References: <4f3f1a6a.4114440a.6838.ffffcd22@mx.google.com> <7951330EDDAC4D28BFE297A19B8E7F93@ELUK1> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea From: Keith Smith To: Stephen Goodman Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173fe40881c4ff04b935cd64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:50:41 +0000 (UTC) --0015173fe40881c4ff04b935cd64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 1. Check out Eno's Oblique Strategies 2. "...for my music class." Hmmm. Any chance you've succumbed to the temptation of just making it more (maybe too) complex, as distinct from "better"? Try scrapping the last 8 or 16 bars, if that's where you started getting into trouble and write something else. Maybe use the excerpted measures in a later section? 3. The idea has its charms. I'm sure you're not the first. Monochromatic Gray is difficult to do, though (and keep it interesting). No tension & release or at least what there is will need to be really subtle. Maybe a little sunlight in the picture would make it easier to tell a story? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Go away from it and return later, perhaps. > k > > -----Original Message----- From: k3zz21@gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 3:26 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-**delight.com > Subject: Loss of the initial song idea > > > Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally > started out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to > make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely > feeling the connection between what I had made so far and the vision that I > had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that initial > feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted from that > feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe? > --0015173fe40881c4ff04b935cd64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. Check out Eno's Oblique Strategies
2. "...for my music class= ." Hmmm. Any chance you've succumbed to the temptation of just mak= ing it more (maybe too) complex, as distinct from "better"? Try s= crapping the last 8 or 16 bars, if that's where you started getting int= o trouble and write something else. Maybe use the excerpted measures in a l= ater section?
3. The idea has its charms. I'm sure you're not the first. Monochro= matic Gray is difficult to do, though (and keep it interesting). No tension= & release or at least what there is will need to be really subtle.=A0 = Maybe a little sunlight in the picture would make it easier to tell a story= ?
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Stephen Goodman= <spgoodma= n@earthlight.net> wrote:
Go away from it and return later, perhaps.
k

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Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally started= out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to make th= e piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely feeling the = connection between what I had made so far and the vision that I had in my h= ead which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that initial feeling. Is= m wondering if it is due to me being distracted from that feeling and tryin= g harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe?




--0015173fe40881c4ff04b935cd64-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 04:56:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88E92183466; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: OT: Music School/Theory Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:56:11 -0600 Message-ID: <001301ccedf9$a3eb05b0$ebc11110$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Aczt+Z+QuoGi+VGVSNidUA5PUe399w== Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 015ABF6E002D28015AC0BB X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:56:16 +0000 (UTC) For me, what makes music different from say reading, is that music is layered much more blatantly - you have multiple instruments or voices all playing simultaneously. For me, when I really like a tune, I sometimes extract certain instruments or passages of tunes and the rest turns in to background. The other thing is that it's difficult for me to listen to music as background music or (ACKK!!) carry on a conversation while listening to a tune that someone told me I have to hear! It surprises me how much discipline (or a couple beers) it takes for me to listen holistically, which is usually what the composer intended (the holistic aspect not the beers...or maybe...). Not that I can't enjoy music as it is but sometimes I have to be vigilant to just be with the music. ~peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 05:10:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51BDC183473; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 752050.85152.bm@omp1061.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1329541839; bh=/CqxiIUbkgcYF1Tk4cQXPSt9DjS0P9uTdMwZ2ginvAE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XqOI1qPRdVsLsZMIsRJpdXvoa2sPIcoeZxBjKiG7dY656NlHDFdG6+10zc2y6RHUZrliA+4WCrC71FnjzBt6D3R3HI+Hj9H0QlSZ3lDqSbGfGgiu8WAVtStNmI+/0bIHeY8yVGiAp053Gd/oBHTHYDqFLSnWQuq6oSxmU9BcBJY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; 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boundary="-795196629-77428117-1329541839=:46356" Resent-Message-ID: <6XJ7YB.A.eHH.QLzPPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:10:41 +0000 (UTC) ---795196629-77428117-1329541839=:46356 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you could quite literally "save it for a rainy day," which would give you s= ome time away but also put you on the spot once that rainy days suddenly ar= rives, and you record essentially cold on the material.=A0 i always just re= cord stuff in the various stages, because i have found that once i learn a = piece, it develops a different feel than the initial idea.=A0 then one must= choose what one wants for the studio recording, and use the demo, if neces= sary--=A0 MIDI is great for that.=A0 the piece will always be however i am = playing it at any particular moment in my life, if i am playing it live.=A0= but the recording of the material in the studio would ideally, to me, evok= e the concentrated essence of the mood of the piece, and that is one of the= hardest things to duplicate in subsequent takes of much material.=A0 you a= re on a deadline for class, so you cannot dawdle too much.=A0 if you have r= ecordings of performances that you think approximate the feel you had, listen to them, both actively and passively. my best friend actually plays= piano, whereas i merely write on it, and he says the key to most problems = he has is to simply play softer.=A0maybe that suggests something.=A0try som= e terraced dynamics if the piece is fit for it, adding more notes each pass= through until you reveal the actual piece fairly far in.=A0 my favorite ex= ample of this is the tony levin band's deconstruction of "tequila" on the d= ouble espresso album. that approach may suggest increasing raindrops as the= piece progresses.=A0 if all else fails, buy a recording of rain and play i= t on a loop to yourself, especially while you are asleep.=A0 besides the=A0= potential inconvenience of=A0having to get up in the middle of the night to= pee more often, you might just wake up one morning knowing exactly what ra= in sounds like.=0A=A0=0A=A0=0Atime=0A =0A=0A_______________________________= _=0A From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com =0ASent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:26 PM=0ASubject: Loss = of the initial song idea=0A =0AIm currently writing a piano piece for my m= usic class. I originally started out feeling really connected with the idea= . My intention was to to make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. A= nd I was definitely feeling the connection between what I had made so far a= nd the vision that I had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to ha= ve lost that initial feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distra= cted from that feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" mayb= e? ---795196629-77428117-1329541839=:46356 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you could = quite literally "save it for a rainy day," which would give you some time a= way but also put you on the spot once that rainy days suddenly arrives, and= you record essentially cold on the material.  i always just record st= uff in the various stages, because i have found that once i learn a piece, = it develops a different feel than the initial idea.  then one must cho= ose what one wants for the studio recording, and use the demo, if necessary= --  MIDI is great for that.  the piece will always be however i a= m playing it at any particular moment in my life, if i am playing it live.&= nbsp; but the recording of the material in the studio would ideally, to me,= evoke the concentrated essence of the mood of the piece, and that is one o= f the hardest things to duplicate in subsequent takes of much material.  you are on a deadline for class, so you cannot dawdle too = much.  if you have recordings of performances that you think approxima= te the feel you had, listen to them, both actively and passively. my best f= riend actually plays piano, whereas i merely write on it, and he says the k= ey to most problems he has is to simply play softer. maybe that sugges= ts something. try some terraced dynamics if the piece is fit for it, a= dding more notes each pass through until you reveal the actual piece fairly= far in.  my favorite example of this is the tony levin band's deconst= ruction of "tequila" on the double espresso album. that approach may sugges= t increasing raindrops as the piece progresses.  if all else fails, bu= y a recording of rain and play it on a loop to yourself, especially while y= ou are asleep.  besides the potential inconvenience of havin= g to get up in the middle of the night to pee more often, you might just wake up one morning knowing exactly what rain sounds like.
 
 
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=0AIm currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I ori= ginally started out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention wa= s to to make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definite= ly feeling the connection between what I had made so far and the vision tha= t I had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that init= ial feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted from that fe= eling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe?


---795196629-77428117-1329541839=:46356-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 09:23:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242C0183466; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F3F6E0E.8050007@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:23:26 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:23:39 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, February 18 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 09:31:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24483183466; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.80.74 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.80.74; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.80.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qGAWLe2TqTILfKhoIU/g7HCvQhuwulqLpg92IXFE9WE=; b=d8iBs3UIzhL9muoSRvMW9R15jQEow42odBOV+HAX4uZdQUv7zZ/knPipQP/uSqlufJ oTHpqSzHd9l06Um7guhIV0ixg7Sb0IUu34Otq8EgMWxRRMKJ1ifPJHv/8vkhyzuXYR/o 8C5/PWDRCScCjjV43vuigdnyazwo9kRneTP7s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001301ccedf9$a3eb05b0$ebc11110$@michaelplishka.com> References: <001301ccedf9$a3eb05b0$ebc11110$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:31:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music School/Theory From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Very interesting reading every one's different take on this! Myself I have always enjoyed both aspects of music simultaneously and to me one doesn't diminish the other at all; (1) feeling the emotional content of a piece (2) hearing the parts that together make up the sum that IS the piece. And this is nothing you learn by age because my memory goes back to 3,5 years age and I still remember what music was to me before I even knew anything about music theory or sound design. One example is choir music. As a child I loved hearing choir music because to my uneducated young mind there were two general kinds of choir sounds and I wanted to find out wich one a choir sorted under. One kind sounded "funny and bubbling" and the other sounded steady like an ice surface or a polished marble floor. Today I theoretically know the difference between a gospel choir's summed vibrato of each singer using a different vibrato amplitude and the classical/church choir where pitch is fixed (maybe even subtle as in Hermode Tuning). But the fact that I now know what other people chose to call these sonic phenomenon doesn't change my appreciation in experiencing them by hearing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:56 AM, wrote: > For me, what makes music different from say reading, is that music is > layered much more blatantly - you have multiple instruments or voices all > playing simultaneously. > > For me, when I really like a tune, =C2=A0I sometimes extract certain inst= ruments > or passages of tunes and the rest turns in to background. =C2=A0The other= thing > is that it's =C2=A0difficult for me to listen to music as background musi= c or > (ACKK!!) carry on a conversation while listening to a tune that someone t= old > me I have to hear! > > It surprises me how much discipline (or a couple beers) =C2=A0it takes fo= r me to > listen holistically, which is usually what the composer intended (the > holistic aspect not the beers...or maybe...). Not that I can't enjoy musi= c > as it is but sometimes I have to be vigilant to just be with the music. > > ~peace~ > > > > Mike > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 10:57:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07EC3183466; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 731309593/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.63/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.63 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAAmDP09YbRg//2dsb2JhbAAMNrUlAQEBAwE4RgsLISUPAkYcAYd8tg+MPAICBQMCAwcEBAICAxcBAgECgz4DUoMeBJsBhVCHUw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,442,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="731309593" Message-ID: <4F3F840F.70409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:57:19 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Music School/Theory References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > If knowing too much about music theory isn't a detriment to one's > playing (seems to be the consensus that it shouldn't be), is it > possible that too much theory, etc., is a detriment to your listening? Listen to Thai classical music....does it sound out of tune? (the scale is 7 equally spaced steps in an octave) http://youtu.be/763vogmpJP4 andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 13:57:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE9BB18345C; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_abe369a8-b3a0-4506-a8ab-556f819118a0_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Opinions on music theory Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:57:12 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2012 13:57:12.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[36C58450:01CCEE45] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:57:13 +0000 (UTC) --_abe369a8-b3a0-4506-a8ab-556f819118a0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I hear the various opinions about music theory=2C I ask myself if the = same holds true for other things=2C such as base 10 numbering systems=2C oc= tal=2C hex=2C tri-state=2C and of course binary. 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= --_abe369a8-b3a0-4506-a8ab-556f819118a0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 14:11:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A837A18345B; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.170.163 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.170.163; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.170.163 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=47l3mvoHeagkjdN7dbLDUHBA1OBLxpRnWbQQcDw6AUA=; b=URXHVjIWeOyloFRZ/uCEMdcXT2kRLq3yrY/5O23bd4g3gGrIGmgwW8Ca0UTn9HVNzo NqbklZvNdfV2DZafgxknq+yG7SBp6HtPPx7W2dekD7ZeFuo79gi9SFK5NCE/ZAj4rAw/ AyjGGpDcSHwOCuciNQVKACLA0e4oT01iwP+DQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:11:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Opinions on music theory From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that's a good point! Giving that music theory actually is a fix, a workaround... a shortcut! Someone pointed out that folk music can be very complex and yet doesn't require performers to master theory to play it. That's because for those players that music isn't "complex" but part of their cultural heritage. Someone from another part of the world might still need theory to pull off pieces in that tradition. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:57 PM, joy_top top wrote: > When I hear the various opinions about music theory, I ask myself if the > same holds true for other things, such as base 10 numbering systems, octal, > hex, tri-state, and of course binary. > Then I think it isn't so much a theory, but a structure to hold musical > thoughts. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 17:07:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07520183474; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 776 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:07:31 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=OLYClwevDCbcdI2iKPWlTmswonbgE9lraWMPvuXGBd4= c=1 sm=2 a=FsE6RlHlCvsA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=qZJrlko4G_ksDSYGjLAA:9 a=RdH0JaIy9RLhWtN84IAA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=D5P1Yv20BqHfGVyvQ-4A:9 a=Z3d8iHJiD8s_Hs6eZCkA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.198.2 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--910444989 Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:54:33 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4f3f1a6a.4114440a.6838.ffffcd22@mx.google.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4f3f1a6a.4114440a.6838.ffffcd22@mx.google.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:07:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--910444989 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Distraction is a serious foe of inspiration. Sometimes ideas are like = butterflies. My experience is I have to move very fast. So sometimes I = have a digital recorder always handy and I will hum or sing or describe = the idea within seconds. Sometimes ideas evaporate in less than = seconds. Sometimes the sound of someone walking by will distract you, = someone walking into the room telling you it's dinner time. =20 We have a policy at our house that, when someone is in the creative = moment, we tiptoe, we close doors quietly, we are very respectful of the = presence of the Muse - that lightning fast butterfly. When we = accidentally barge in, we dont' make conversation and apologize etc. = Everyone is trained. I suggest you do that with whoever you live with, = share a dorm with etc. =20 Sometimes the idea just evaporates because it wasnt' that strong in the = first place. I can't tell you how many times, in the old days, the = software would freak out and lose the entire work. I was always furious = when I had to start over, but every time the second effort was much = better than the one that evaporated. That applies to writing language = or music.=20 So, sometimes the Muse guides you with a rough hand, a slap on the face, = a scattering of the dominoes so you have to start over... because what = comes next will exceed what you THOUGHT would be great. All the other advice is great - setting it aside for a rainy day etc.=20 The key is to not get too worked up about the lost inspiration. The = goal is to stay fluid and open to the Muse - to not shut down because a = concept or effort evaporated or didn't turn out as you'd dreamed it = would. Sometimes, it just wasn't meant to be. Art is like boxing or martial art. You can't let your opponent knock = you off balance. Stay on your feet, stay limber, be very quick. As = long as your still standing in the boxing ring, you could win the match. = =20 Have faith. You ARE still standing! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:26 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally = started out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to = to make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely = feeling the connection between what I had made so far and the vision = that I had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost = that initial feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted = from that feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe? >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--910444989 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:26 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote:

Im = currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally started = out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to make = the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely feeling = the connection between what I had made so far and the vision that I had = in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that initial = feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted from that = feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" = maybe?


= --Apple-Mail-3--910444989-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 17:38:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB933183473; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.226.40 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.226.40; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.226.40 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=O4Pg3eLVwCnurJe6lXBXtC0qxbnDybb6Hc2bWlTm95U=; b=Ctu2QAUhN02KLz9Pn5MSRQSm/sIFblo/hm2Z2nuZ4oadEzvYI40qBGen2jbC7DcLGU zBddArZArp5dZvifCtwc0gjNQ1Abq8AH86TDHn/hpTdm1FB5DC/OIn2jv0i5Gzfd+foO cy6pyFhvXZVnfNXC71qTMfoFDRIQhYjz3Hcvk= Message-ID: <4f3fe228.8706440a.7a1e.ffffaacc@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:38:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:38:50 +0000 (UTC) wow amazingly put Richard! Here's another approach I think can also work. Having multiple projects or pieces to work on. That way you arent forced to convey a certain mood in a single piece because you most likely have another one you can work on instead that fits your mood just right at the moment. I think I will start to try both methods. They seem inspiring just by thinking about it. -----Original Message----- Date: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:07:38 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "richard sales" Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea Distraction is a serious foe of inspiration. Sometimes ideas are like butterflies. My experience is I have to move very fast. So sometimes I have a digital recorder always handy and I will hum or sing or describe the idea within seconds. Sometimes ideas evaporate in less than seconds. Sometimes the sound of someone walking by will distract you, someone walking into the room telling you it's dinner time. We have a policy at our house that, when someone is in the creative moment, we tiptoe, we close doors quietly, we are very respectful of the presence of the Muse - that lightning fast butterfly. When we accidentally barge in, we dont' make conversation and apologize etc. Everyone is trained. I suggest you do that with whoever you live with, share a dorm with etc. Sometimes the idea just evaporates because it wasnt' that strong in the first place. I can't tell you how many times, in the old days, the software would freak out and lose the entire work. I was always furious when I had to start over, but every time the second effort was much better than the one that evaporated. That applies to writing language or music. So, sometimes the Muse guides you with a rough hand, a slap on the face, a scattering of the dominoes so you have to start over... because what comes next will exceed what you THOUGHT would be great. All the other advice is great - setting it aside for a rainy day etc. The key is to not get too worked up about the lost inspiration. The goal is to stay fluid and open to the Muse - to not shut down because a concept or effort evaporated or didn't turn out as you'd dreamed it would. Sometimes, it just wasn't meant to be. Art is like boxing or martial art. You can't let your opponent knock you off balance. Stay on your feet, stay limber, be very quick. As long as your still standing in the boxing ring, you could win the match. Have faith. You ARE still standing! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:26 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally started out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely feeling the connection between what I had made so far and the vision that I had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that initial feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted from that feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 17:40:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12013183477; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of danielhlevine@gmail.com designates 10.204.9.213 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.9.213; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of danielhlevine@gmail.com designates 10.204.9.213 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=danielhlevine@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=danielhlevine@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=OSdrP/8q8GORCdCOVvKOdAx8rfMfxsPL/T6PWaUi0uQ=; b=BUCVai8aqBt7TXLoVYum7Q28EJdK2ZHd3MsjXYFkGqQkdqQhVvJye13Ax7gxDnOX46 0jyQcWNDvGzQ9QRD9OComLLt/K21KMdKRetiBvhG1/2Ctr2e8aJ42wPKh+Fwu94PprcG 0Z8BgxpRA3s0ttZ+ytb/g8mIxe80OpVG2590Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:40:27 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: igON7n4UGcgj0BGxQvRfpxYP6uE Message-ID: Subject: Satan's Secret From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cdf428b279c04b9408ea2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:40:28 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cdf428b279c04b9408ea2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey everyone, I wanted to drop a line and let y'all know that my new band, 3dCosby, will be playing a bunch of shows in the Northeast next week to support our album, "Satan's Secret." Check it out: http://3dcosby.bandcamp.com/track/paint-by-numbers Dates: 2/23 - Snug Harbor in New Paltz, NY - 11p FREE ( https://www.facebook.com/events/183778838396031/) 2/24 - The Space Palace in Brooklyn, NY - 9:30p $5 w/Ellis Ashbrook ( https://www.facebook.com/events/131200363667919/) 2/26 - PA's Lounge in Somerville, MA - 8:30p $10 w/Left Hand Does and Amoroso (https://www.facebook.com/events/306858656028979/) I'm the one with the massive beard, come to show and say hi! love Daniel --0015175cdf428b279c04b9408ea2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey everyone,

I wanted to drop a line and let y'all know that m= y new band, 3dCosby, will be playing a bunch of shows in the Northeast next= week to support our album, "Satan's Secret."

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I'm the one = with the massive beard, come to show and say hi!


love
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--0015175cdf428b279c04b9408ea2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 17:43:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23442183473; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.227.195 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.227.195; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.227.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=IMcaYbpQK4roSNAWS/MhyDHxp8gvmaV5CaxNB+FauRI=; b=Nz1FuS+PY9Y6dh2+6nlHGLYSX8cG3tL2fBsQfK7wjd781hp8+c04npnIcDnNXyRqOq LpKxg2os/8NmgBZJFnTQH8NlHB+d3xof0ESZdpfJhexdeumGQ4eHeDXx1E8I1TAW9ZXf net70rYEyyyOIoI0HGf6pM4uPgYQ7Sgic5Mfg= Message-ID: <4f3fe354.c10f440a.5d11.2a1b@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:43:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: What is a song? From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:43:49 +0000 (UTC) On dictionary.com it is defined as something to be sung or made for singing. But dont we call everything a song in todaay society? Even instrumentals? This question popped up because my mom was saying a song is made to have lyrics and I was arguing that a song is any musical piece only to find out her definition matched what the dictionary said which i never knew before.Whats your take on it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 17:56:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B668D183475; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 733893792/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.63/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.63 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoIGAFblP09YbRg//2dsb2JhbAAMOLEgAQWDegEBAQQZH0ARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgEPNhkDAcEaiGqCF4E7AgIFAwIDBwQEAgIDFQEBAQEBAQIBgRcjggMDKBQFEYMeBJsBhU2HVg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,443,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="733893792" Message-ID: <4F3FE673.7090500@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:57:07 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What is a song? References: <4f3fe354.c10f440a.5d11.2a1b@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3fe354.c10f440a.5d11.2a1b@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:56:53 +0000 (UTC) k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: >Whats your take on it? bird song From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 18:16:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCDB5183477; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 675576.39534.bm@omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1329589005; bh=r4WkHeoTrgluU8EG1Jxm0HjsM0pGDm3Uh8b6zDNpKFc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=wLz2ckdZJ5RzGamWzp59zh6ncVU9a1bTBlGzFfXcP/lHEasaIkl7qO1zh7U0obdIUdY69qdqA+4pm6unOSTjVDmOknloZqj8W61BJk63nJvIDvKx8COtEFY1juPbNpptZYyu3QxWwh+NnHH6CCLDau7OnkMS1lflLdivd4+R+lY= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: HI1XM3YVM1krtiTsEpl9W5Bun8iMgqWpc56QRrR611Oxrr2 yrKW9rVswIg7LjPk4LE7zzP9i5vUkWTas0b88AjtQ5WDFqimYMSuLxTSDksd JuQsaeYxIlmSiP_DUzKc.41YSgHaX7JwG4Sa1US.fQ41PrbrY3wt8UrMzYF_ rSIVUZMNP.BVCgb3.dN4E.WlXJ31UCaJe1enNE5StG9dS5Q1ydPHpHBqRGQE 50NC_9tAIiBsCxqc3sbrHda4KPL6oWvuYOZsUZbDDU6bSdOjm_QBKVmGArBl XQg5P1kuYmW0CTMYwCpQsIsW_5vSLdliiO6C08o52m68a9zRGdfwMKg0i6TF Yf3Y2FDEdGlBm2EhnOBwG9ZXnguW_y91D7BISnxEWeAQFvthx2b1JqECXQi. joXNkYOK5QcgyRXCAKfJpY2k_14ZgpxI0HTNtAnqp16BShXysI.I0hkaJ X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Opinions on music theory From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:16:43 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Wow, I tried really hard not to read this thread since I'm so busy = lately, but you guys "pulled me back in!" like that Godfather movie. My bachelor's degree is in music theory, and I studied it for a year as = a graduate student. What I discovered for me was that it was all about = understanding the building materials so I could create my own music. =20 But in terms of listening to music, when I hear something and recognize = what "going on" theory-wise, it just makes me want to sit down and play = it, or sing it and incorporate it into my own musical vocabulary. So, I = don't think it hurts my listening to be aware of the theory of things. =20= I do think, sometimes, when you are in the process of learning theory, = it can be a big hassle and can effect your ability to listen to music = for enjoyment, but as you get some distance from the academic = environment the learning goes deeper and becomes more internal and = instinctual. =20 I have always been a "center-brained" person, neither fully = right-brained or left-brained, so I enjoy the technical as well as the = creative side of music. When I loop vocally, I don't score everything = out, although I could if i wanted, but I'm more interested in the = experience of performing. Sometimes the theory knowledge helps me to = fill in some gaps here and there, and make the harmonies richer. Michael Carlson (3x09) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 18:40:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68978183474; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:40:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: What is a song? In-Reply-To: <4f3fe354.c10f440a.5d11.2a1b@mx.google.com> References: <4f3fe354.c10f440a.5d11.2a1b@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120218184023.10E82D4116@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:40:26 +0000 (UTC) In the celtic traditions that I mostly work in a song has lyrics, a tune is anything instrumental. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 12:43 PM 2/18/2012, you wrote: >On dictionary.com it is defined as something to be sung or made for >singing. But dont we call everything a song in todaay society? Even >instrumentals? This question popped up because my mom was saying a >song is made to have lyrics and I was arguing that a song is any >musical piece only to find out her definition matched what the >dictionary said which i never knew before.Whats your take on it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 18:44:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1C64183473; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WEEGlgX+BlIZ5vi8bgIq3Ye+3TE3ReX18tjdB4mxZ7jXei1hjnXL5omItcCmy9Bf; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21771184.1329590658820.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:44:18 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What is a song? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4866a278b72576e00738ea5c73ca0511bd676ae045857c2f36350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:44:29 +0000 (UTC) all my musical work is in the 'ditty' format -----Original Message----- >From: paul >Sent: Feb 18, 2012 10:40 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: What is a song? > >In the celtic traditions that I mostly work in a song has lyrics, a >tune is anything instrumental. > >Paul Haslem >www.dulcify.ca >Ontario, Canada > > > > > > >At 12:43 PM 2/18/2012, you wrote: >>On dictionary.com it is defined as something to be sung or made for >>singing. But dont we call everything a song in todaay society? Even >>instrumentals? This question popped up because my mom was saying a >>song is made to have lyrics and I was arguing that a song is any >>musical piece only to find out her definition matched what the >>dictionary said which i never knew before.Whats your take on it? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 19:06:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84BAF183478; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kahsmith@gmail.com designates 10.205.127.141 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.205.127.141; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kahsmith@gmail.com designates 10.205.127.141 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kahsmith@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kahsmith@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mSwjfZevlsiCTl2Mht6jcaJTH88PibB0LsP8D6JTnEc=; b=TfNKp2OVfWWPZRjWKovUppWQIn4FAW+jfJlyUIzbgfPzcs9DQIIwjxjkepVh99HlPx c1I14pvhJ7SWVzSk9ncjgduNtPGmMllpDWyWSiIpzR6t30iIXmQ4/ZHJTXURfknYQC1D nnPNwF2WsJaoECFTSWXbR1tHgzrAwPqfZyKKw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <51EF2CA8-D55A-46B2-B3C7-58430A33A083@orange.fr> References: <4F3D5659.6000807@cruzio.com> <51EF2CA8-D55A-46B2-B3C7-58430A33A083@orange.fr> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:06:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct From: Keith Smith To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173fe4081744ca04b941c12e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:06:11 +0000 (UTC) --0015173fe4081744ca04b941c12e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's an interview with this guy on CBC Radio 1 starting in a few minutes (12:05) MST (-7) if anyone's interested. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Antony Hequet wr= ote: > Per I agree with your theory. I think it also has something tp do with > self confidence. Self talk goes: I have been able to overcome other big > hurdles before, let's see how I am going to gandle this new one! > > Antony Hequet > Poet composer > > On 16 f=E9vr. 2012, at 21:20, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rick Walker > wrote: > >> > http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/a-neuroscientist= -debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/ > >> > >> > >> Interesting and thought provoking........not sure whether I agree or > not but > >> it > >> sure raises a lot of questions. > > > > > > Thanks, that was interesting! My own experience is that learning > > becomes easier the older you get. But it only works if you're leading > > a learning life in general. And it's not because you become "smarter" > > with age but because your brain can make more synapse associations for > > each new step. Instead of drawing a totally new knowledge map in there > > the older brain just goes > > "ok-been-there-done-that-been-there-as-well... DANG!!!! Ah, that's new > > so let's connect here, here and here". It hooks up new stuff to old > > experience, but a little bit differently this time. Just my personal > > theory. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > --=20 Keith Smith -Guitar Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca Photography - www.mymountains.ca --0015173fe4081744ca04b941c12e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's an interview with this guy on CBC Radio 1 starting in a few min= utes (12:05) MST (-7) if anyone's interested.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Antony Hequet = <antony.hequet@orange.fr&= gt; wrote:
Per I agree with your theory. I think it als= o has something tp do with self confidence. Self talk goes: I have been abl= e to overcome other big hurdles before, let's see how I am going to gan= dle this new one!

Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 16 f=E9vr. 2012, at 21:20, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/a-neurosci= entist-debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/
>>
>>
>> Interesting and thought provoking........not sure whether I agree = or not but
>> it
>> sure raises a lot of questions.
>
>
> Thanks, that was interesting! My own experience is that learning
> becomes easier the older you get. But it only works if you're lead= ing
> a learning life in general. And it's not because you become "= smarter"
> with age but because your brain can make more synapse associations for=
> each new step. Instead of drawing a totally new knowledge map in there=
> the older brain just goes
> "ok-been-there-done-that-been-there-as-well... DANG!!!! Ah, that&= #39;s new
> so let's connect here, here and here". It hooks up new stuff = to old
> experience, but a little bit differently this time. =A0Just my persona= l
> theory.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen
>




--
Keith Smith= -Guitar

Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
= Photography - www.m= ymountains.ca

--0015173fe4081744ca04b941c12e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 19:52:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE06F183478; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <456C3AEB478B4EE182F0D87040E5EC81@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4f3fe228.8706440a.7a1e.ffffaacc@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3fe228.8706440a.7a1e.ffffaacc@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:52:23 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:52:19 +0000 (UTC) I had a dream a while ago that illustrated something along these lines. I was standing next to a stream similar to those approaching Niagara Falls, near the falls themselves. On the opposite bank were trees, but instead of leaves they had golden spheres. Occasionally when a sphere-leaf would fall to the ground, the breaking revealed that the things were musical tones/notes. The trees were songs. Towards the end of the dream I was watching a few of them fall into the stream and cascade over the edge of the falls, the breaking sphere-leaves making the last hints of the songs themselves. In the dream I realized I was watching what happens when the unwritten / unrecorded songs are neglected for too long... but they're not lost after all. Pieces of them end up in new trees, in new songs. My life in a lot of ways has been on hold since I got married and moved to the UK. It is through the kind efforts of people on LD that I was pulled into the world of online performing, and later video performance. This has kept my musical mind alive, and enabled me to execute the music that would otherwise be wandering round my head as mere memories, entertaining only to myself. And lost when I am finally off this planet, whenever that may be. I recently had a loss online at Ustream, where three shows from a collection of Christmas Carol variations were playable but not downloadable for archiving. Thankfully I downloaded the majority of the shows, which is a lot since 2009! The system they used had apparently developed an indexing error, and from around Tuesday this past week, was executing an index rebuilding. The three shows in question went from a state of playable-but-not-downloadable, to visible-but-not-playable, and then only a thumbnail from one of the shows in the Off-Air screen; last of all, no shows appear in the channel at all. One contact at Ustream went so far as to say I had deleted them before the situation was resolved! End result though, three shows containing around 10 variations were lost forever. I didn't keep notes back then, and counted on the archival ability of their system a bit more than I should have. So don't rely on other peoples' systems to save your ideas! And make multiple backups. Media is fallable. I return to what used to be a joke of sorts in my early days in the computer/software business. The three rules of MIS: 1. Backup 2. Backup 3. Backup. I look forward to my new life post-divorce, when I am finally settled again with a space to perform and record. Back in the last of my LA days I had such a thing, so that when I woke up in the middle of the night with a music idea, I could execute and record/archive it for future work. The English legal system is a pain in the ass and is not made to be used by anyone but the powerful, efficiently. So I am stuck here for now, awaiting the decree nisi (and the relative kindness of the judge-in-question, since this is amicable) and the decree absolute, which effectively ends the marriage. Bah! I will always have my music, and people like you folks. :) -----Original Message----- From: k3zz21@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea wow amazingly put Richard! Here's another approach I think can also work. Having multiple projects or pieces to work on. That way you arent forced to convey a certain mood in a single piece because you most likely have another one you can work on instead that fits your mood just right at the moment. I think I will start to try both methods. They seem inspiring just by thinking about it. -----Original Message----- Date: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:07:38 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "richard sales" Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea Distraction is a serious foe of inspiration. Sometimes ideas are like butterflies. My experience is I have to move very fast. So sometimes I have a digital recorder always handy and I will hum or sing or describe the idea within seconds. Sometimes ideas evaporate in less than seconds. Sometimes the sound of someone walking by will distract you, someone walking into the room telling you it's dinner time. We have a policy at our house that, when someone is in the creative moment, we tiptoe, we close doors quietly, we are very respectful of the presence of the Muse - that lightning fast butterfly. When we accidentally barge in, we dont' make conversation and apologize etc. Everyone is trained. I suggest you do that with whoever you live with, share a dorm with etc. Sometimes the idea just evaporates because it wasnt' that strong in the first place. I can't tell you how many times, in the old days, the software would freak out and lose the entire work. I was always furious when I had to start over, but every time the second effort was much better than the one that evaporated. That applies to writing language or music. So, sometimes the Muse guides you with a rough hand, a slap on the face, a scattering of the dominoes so you have to start over... because what comes next will exceed what you THOUGHT would be great. All the other advice is great - setting it aside for a rainy day etc. The key is to not get too worked up about the lost inspiration. The goal is to stay fluid and open to the Muse - to not shut down because a concept or effort evaporated or didn't turn out as you'd dreamed it would. Sometimes, it just wasn't meant to be. Art is like boxing or martial art. You can't let your opponent knock you off balance. Stay on your feet, stay limber, be very quick. As long as your still standing in the boxing ring, you could win the match. Have faith. You ARE still standing! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:26 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally > started out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to > make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely > feeling the connection between what I had made so far and the vision that > I had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that > initial feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted from > that feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 20:00:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05EA183475; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-18_05:2012-02-17,2012-02-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202180221 Subject: Re: Opinions on music theory From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:00:34 -0500 Message-id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:00:36 +0000 (UTC) excellent post thanks!!!!!!!! Teddy On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:16 PM, TripleOhNine wrote: > Wow, I tried really hard not to read this thread since I'm so busy lately, but you guys "pulled me back in!" like that Godfather movie. > > My bachelor's degree is in music theory, and I studied it for a year as a graduate student. What I discovered for me was that it was all about understanding the building materials so I could create my own music. > > But in terms of listening to music, when I hear something and recognize what "going on" theory-wise, it just makes me want to sit down and play it, or sing it and incorporate it into my own musical vocabulary. So, I don't think it hurts my listening to be aware of the theory of things. > > I do think, sometimes, when you are in the process of learning theory, it can be a big hassle and can effect your ability to listen to music for enjoyment, but as you get some distance from the academic environment the learning goes deeper and becomes more internal and instinctual. > > I have always been a "center-brained" person, neither fully right-brained or left-brained, so I enjoy the technical as well as the creative side of music. When I loop vocally, I don't score everything out, although I could if i wanted, but I'm more interested in the experience of performing. Sometimes the theory knowledge helps me to fill in some gaps here and there, and make the harmonies richer. > > Michael Carlson (3x09) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 20:01:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B45C9183479; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.203.227 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.203.227; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.203.227 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=aGowzu/VFFFYX+bZSXSnMGKl2vb9ndButwauE3wXtHs=; b=G/8TgVPAUO2ngNFagKPVs0Zil6zkHWYPySvz48x9N++yvsERPrSJKEYjvMaYri1jyw GEd+f6xmmxSVXQxY9or2jgq6nOhLyefh+BSRXoIxEYviWIRvDWDhO9Ct8AHLibQlcT7A ZjZUNUB3iq3E8BIbpp6C8I2XAsXeBPYafdNvc= Message-ID: <4f4003b2.211c440a.5388.408a@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:01:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:01:56 +0000 (UTC) And its funny you say that considereing i literally just realized that I either missplaced or lost the score I wrote for the very song I posted this topic on. -----Original Message----- Date: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:07:38 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "richard sales" Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea Distraction is a serious foe of inspiration. Sometimes ideas are like butterflies. My experience is I have to move very fast. So sometimes I have a digital recorder always handy and I will hum or sing or describe the idea within seconds. Sometimes ideas evaporate in less than seconds. Sometimes the sound of someone walking by will distract you, someone walking into the room telling you it's dinner time. We have a policy at our house that, when someone is in the creative moment, we tiptoe, we close doors quietly, we are very respectful of the presence of the Muse - that lightning fast butterfly. When we accidentally barge in, we dont' make conversation and apologize etc. Everyone is trained. I suggest you do that with whoever you live with, share a dorm with etc. Sometimes the idea just evaporates because it wasnt' that strong in the first place. I can't tell you how many times, in the old days, the software would freak out and lose the entire work. I was always furious when I had to start over, but every time the second effort was much better than the one that evaporated. That applies to writing language or music. So, sometimes the Muse guides you with a rough hand, a slap on the face, a scattering of the dominoes so you have to start over... because what comes next will exceed what you THOUGHT would be great. All the other advice is great - setting it aside for a rainy day etc. The key is to not get too worked up about the lost inspiration. The goal is to stay fluid and open to the Muse - to not shut down because a concept or effort evaporated or didn't turn out as you'd dreamed it would. Sometimes, it just wasn't meant to be. Art is like boxing or martial art. You can't let your opponent knock you off balance. Stay on your feet, stay limber, be very quick. As long as your still standing in the boxing ring, you could win the match. Have faith. You ARE still standing! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:26 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally started out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to make the piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely feeling the connection between what I had made so far and the vision that I had in my head which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that initial feeling. Ism wondering if it is due to me being distracted from that feeling and trying harder to make the song sound "Good" maybe? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 01:10:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C175183473; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lindsey.walker@gmail.com designates 10.68.227.195 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.227.195; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lindsey.walker@gmail.com designates 10.68.227.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lindsey.walker@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=lindsey.walker@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XGJqKUxfZKu6BGEpMZq601dsoBktOemMuYWsHGtj9O4=; b=Izvrp1anDZqyjDIdGl9tMaJMHE6yfDKUJsDmhWe2TXU9rkCNRbPbAA/Cq400xF6M3w 99UfeuOsW0cXZ80AV4jF/la49QCRhFrGZs6JQxhbCLbn2T2++abzvFVDT8PmDDmuQ0CF bVwlshvVbDz/KyWzwCZVEUR0vkDwmwSOGbqZI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:10:44 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e52aee9f79604b946d8a0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:10:46 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b2e52aee9f79604b946d8a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've noticed a similar thing, when I'm composing for keyboard. If I write the first two lines with nothing started on the next, when I come back the new writing sounds completely different. That's ok if you're starting with a new section but not so easy when it's supposed to be the same one. A good solution is to sketch out the melody for the next part and leave it incomplete, or at least know what you want to do next before getting up from the keyboard. Ymmv. Lindsey On Feb 18, 2012 9:07 AM, "richard sales" wrote: --047d7b2e52aee9f79604b946d8a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've noticed a similar thing, when I'm composing for keyboard.= =A0 If I write the first two lines with nothing started on the next, when I= come back the new writing sounds completely different.=A0 That's ok if= you're starting with a new section but not so easy when it's suppo= sed to be the same one.=A0 A good solution is to sketch out the melody for = the next part and leave it incomplete, or at least know what you want to do= next before getting up from the keyboard.=A0 Ymmv.

Lindsey

On Feb 18, 2012 9:07 AM, "richard sales&quo= t; <richard@glasswing.com&g= t; wrote:
--047d7b2e52aee9f79604b946d8a0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 15:44:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3797183477; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of richard@glasswing.com designates 10.68.220.4 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.220.4; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of richard@glasswing.com designates 10.68.220.4 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=richard@glasswing.com Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea References: <4f3fe228.8706440a.7a1e.ffffaacc@mx.google.com> From: richard sales Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <4f3fe228.8706440a.7a1e.ffffaacc@mx.google.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:44:38 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkf5KR46ZvjgGSbP/jiQDx5/hMrjwficgWonT44Z4zGCWYjCNLM6SxiVQ8A13/CeNntiGuL Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Of course you can quote me! In fact, thanks, Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:38 AM, "k3zz21@gmail.com" wrote: > wow amazingly put Richard! Here's another approach I think can also work. H= aving multiple projects or pieces to work on. That way you arent forced to c= onvey a certain mood in a single piece because you most likely have another o= ne you can work on instead that fits your mood just right at the moment. I t= hink I will start to try both methods. They seem inspiring just by thinking a= bout it. > -----Original Message----- > Date: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:07:38 am > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: "richard sales" > Subject: Re: Loss of the initial song idea >=20 > Distraction is a serious foe of inspiration. Sometimes ideas are like but= terflies. My experience is I have to move very fast. So sometimes I have a= digital recorder always handy and I will hum or sing or describe the idea w= ithin seconds. Sometimes ideas evaporate in less than seconds. Sometimes t= he sound of someone walking by will distract you, someone walking into the r= oom telling you it's dinner time. =20 >=20 > We have a policy at our house that, when someone is in the creative moment= , we tiptoe, we close doors quietly, we are very respectful of the presence o= f the Muse - that lightning fast butterfly. When we accidentally barge in, w= e dont' make conversation and apologize etc. Everyone is trained. I sugges= t you do that with whoever you live with, share a dorm with etc. =20 >=20 > Sometimes the idea just evaporates because it wasnt' that strong in the fi= rst place. I can't tell you how many times, in the old days, the software w= ould freak out and lose the entire work. I was always furious when I had to= start over, but every time the second effort was much better than the one t= hat evaporated. That applies to writing language or music.=20 >=20 > So, sometimes the Muse guides you with a rough hand, a slap on the face, a= scattering of the dominoes so you have to start over... because what comes n= ext will exceed what you THOUGHT would be great. >=20 > All the other advice is great - setting it aside for a rainy day etc.=20 >=20 > The key is to not get too worked up about the lost inspiration. The goal i= s to stay fluid and open to the Muse - to not shut down because a concept or= effort evaporated or didn't turn out as you'd dreamed it would. Sometimes,= it just wasn't meant to be. >=20 > Art is like boxing or martial art. You can't let your opponent knock you o= ff balance. Stay on your feet, stay limber, be very quick. As long as your= still standing in the boxing ring, you could win the match. =20 >=20 > Have faith. You ARE still standing! >=20 > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:26 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: >=20 >> Im currently writing a piano piece for my music class. I originally start= ed out feeling really connected with the idea. My intention was to to make t= he piece somewhat sound like a rain storm. And I was definitely feeling the c= onnection between what I had made so far and the vision that I had in my hea= d which was simply rain. Now I seem to have lost that initial feeling. Ism w= ondering if it is due to me being distracted from that feeling and trying ha= rder to make the song sound "Good" maybe? >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 23:49:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD727183478; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_dc3e2cf6-5a9b-4137-b926-3e6be1ccaa88_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: hEADLESS gIT hOP (your looper can't do THIS.. well Per can...(new music) (elektron Octatrack) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:49:42 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2012 23:49:43.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[271C1600:01CCEF61] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:49:44 +0000 (UTC) --_dc3e2cf6-5a9b-4137-b926-3e6be1ccaa88_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I decided to try something new.. and different.. so I set up the Elektron t= o produce rhytmic "stuff"=2C i muted the "live" guitar and played random th= ings i G-ish.. sampled the "stuff" and looped it.. So this is a lot more rhythmic than usual BUT all rhytms are from guitar be= ing sampled=2C sequenced=2C looped=2C resampled... and looped.. Rather craz= y=2C diffrent but fun.. please listen http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/headlessgithop One take=2C all live no overdubs only fading in added after recording so th= at you wont have to hear a minute of getting da beat going.. Perhaps you don't WANT your looped to do this kind of stuff.... = --_dc3e2cf6-5a9b-4137-b926-3e6be1ccaa88_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I decided to try something new.. and different.. so I set up the Elekt= ron to produce rhytmic "stuff"=2C i muted the "live" guitar and played rand= om things i G-ish.. sampled the "stuff" and looped it..

So this is a lot more rhythmic than usual BUT all rhytms are from gui= tar being sampled=2C sequenced=2C looped=2C resampled... and looped.. = =3B
Rather crazy=2C diffrent but fun.. please listen
http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/headlessgithop

One take=2C all live no overdubs only fading in added after= recording so that you wont have to hear a minute of getting da beat going.= .

Perhaps you don't WANT your looped to do this ki= nd of stuff....
= --_dc3e2cf6-5a9b-4137-b926-3e6be1ccaa88_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 00:18:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8793183478; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.49.104 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.49.104; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.49.104 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DJfckVCPIb/YsyzsakzVSwo5AZzKgpMI5+9B3AK+xwU=; b=yBbrsJOW1PS679nTSxE0qxA0fGRPRVAIY2nmwiS29J/SKJ3fCWFN5Xkl4KHAncqoaL 43Y9iqI1MlBT5bg4mzZ/8EpMG188tfisfZ36UPifwNvmqC1mg3JWyJfv0++rgI0CoOc1 txnkSDjQ2nYEpWomQKodVckah/QBIDsGQ8v4Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:18:20 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Opinions on music theory From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <16wzMB.A.RAF.NFZQPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Daniel Thomas was like: >Its bad teachers who bite. Now there is a good OT thread. Best/Worst Teach You Ever Had My first guitar teacher (at age 15) told me that I would never ever do anything original because music has been around for over 1000 years. Regarding music theory, Joy_top Top went: >Then I think it isn't so much a theory, but a structure to hold musical thoughts. That's a good way of putting it - it's a naming and reference system for many of the positive pitch/volume/time musical phenomena that have been encountered to date. Learning that stuff gives a musician a toolbox so that (s)he understands what each thing is called, and can find it/call upon it again without too much trouble. Perhaps it's similar to the difference between keeping all your names and addresses in Excel or having them all written on different slips of paper. On the other hand, while the toolbox may look like it's all a person needs, it's not necessarily all there is. People who live in San Francisco don't casually leave city limits, because they think SF has all they'll ever need. Sure, there are plenty of people who still want to explore outside their toolbox, and there are plenty who don't. I admit - it would be nice to have some of the things in that toolbox. On the other hand, I'm mostly happy with the little niche I have. I do ok here. A couple times a year I'll be in a situation where I feel clueless, intimidated or useless, but frankly I think it's good to feel that way sometimes. It reminds you that you're human. I have a much smaller toolbox, with a few unusual, homemade tools, and I'm pretty happy with that. Regarding "songs", Kay'lon was all: >On dictionary.com it is defined as something to be sung or made for singing. >But dont we call everything a song in todaay society? Even instrumentals? >This question popped up because my mom was saying a song is made to >have lyrics and I was arguing that a song is any musical piece only to find out >her definition matched what the dictionary said which i never knew before.Whats your take on it? I used to call my sound-droppings "pieces" until a friend started teasing me about it. I call them songs now and people generally don't complain. "Compositions" sounded to me like it's written down somewhere, and someone else could perform it with similar results. "Works" just felt snooty to me. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 01:12:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77CE6183478; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 575254.5970.bm@omp1065.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1329700337; bh=TkUhtPkt1ART7riwCqoVYqpjtLPaMzkJvYTrthVaQLQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R6HGaaI3EVmkTC89y2Se4XI4ROudIxkIzcIrZSYq508tPTDUUEeiszgvYeuWbtOdkcDCz8vFuUICYL2C2BEFCPWc7VAxclsXo1cb6B6w/bE3j3CTIM7QBI/Jiso+RjHsK9M0kglpVvC0gH9AlyQv3YS5GCftf7RDAM0Y7b7bam0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OZSBaxccVhW0Z2yJcSH8YJ78htapXAbPqrJs2r4P5B2BM5srGXMc8uf5m7jJR9HOmpzemrWT/Rv6PD5o5yN1SPG+tLjiqioHXDpAr7h+/2sWjKFg6gztpc+owsGQnDwbSparKTCwYeZI/HuDa1+ZFGG60UcVBf9XHSZWwJfjwYs=; X-YMail-OSG: AxjkMEkVM1kAQvIffjFj_AO3JKVNBi3tjgN4rgO7tdO9ZtK qoZM8MyTpiqUdhnL5f7ZvFouTFMDYAmZioxpsp0vX63tNnF2WXYEKSui8nYg UioHA2iPfTRLc08mLvmKjpCufUGEiyQlVUJhMiHrLc1klvAF6zcKW6zxK23z B4_l5vqTUWpEOQA7LN1q1XA0riy8MYOxpIVITusOUDfjW7vIL2KLUxbPPXHQ jeyQoAcFTFRG6HYfY_15VLnnJCrXaW1DR93xP_hGiuhZn7y4kHA_XvkIp9w1 fbXPYIEQO.t87dVIaHOp_391acfqeAUlI5lmEyrP1QVF6yFxI_I3eMd3itWz PudFsUlfVSiGwOe.JxOErrwUOGC1ER_4TdeKVIFRao3GOJdNUccIj.Pzz1ZX U_E56kAlcXlRT9iCx8a6IZ4WYRtBEhnZ5b6KD4KDg2LUU20WvO0iznpZ4KrB 7z.1Cehs1_Y6hIvOsY0anAWh4zjqkWA56QbvKdkp18Hknf7bJUSNs11WMzi4 vc8yeWhM29ER2YpOMg5TJ0M9vN4iD0VVR5EEs4NjQ03DgpCuqOKbGQnekPAT 2_gF5ka7Vo9jrDlAuTSLbMS5hquMauE113MPaK1prbHWl.51P_wF2H67QjG5 lgpGjV5EuH5BOGdafbKZzxiX.jEhgNbRR7ZebU6opHGUnvL8Uk7.xE1gCUE7 bEvoXxHb6DsxXvxd_7Uwh03bU8p3YOGmP.ZYyQiYw2.CZ849WKvHhI.IM7gx iKDPPQQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: Message-ID: <1329700337.26634.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:12:17 -0800 (PST) From: tim echols Reply-To: tim echols Subject: Re: Opinions on music theory To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1929490892-1373757554-1329700337=:26634" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:12:19 +0000 (UTC) --1929490892-1373757554-1329700337=:26634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=A0=A0=A0 i still differentiate between my pieces and my songs.=A0 somet= imes there is overlap, but it helps me to keep in mind what i am doing if i= decide that they are one or the other.=A0 it seems that i can hear a song = in others' pieces more readily than my own at times.=A0 i told a musician f= riend of mine that i was interested in adding a melody line and lyrics to s= ome stuff he had written.=A0 i did so, and he liked the results.=A0 i made = the mistake of saying something about turning his "pieces' into songs, beca= use that is the terminology i use myself.=A0 his reaction made it seem that= i had told him that he had provided a spare framework and that i had actua= lly done the real work in the piece.=A0 he literally said that the melodies= i had created had to be in there somewhere, that i could not have added th= em, and that he had worked on this music for years, as songs.=A0 i could te= ll he was quite put back by my comment, and felt that his ownership of his creation was slipping away.=A0 but that is a hazard of collaboration.=A0 i= told him that he still had the frameworks that i had created over, but tha= t the words and technically even the melody were mine, regardless of what t= hey had been created to accompany.=A0 it was actually quite a tense interch= ange.=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0i wrote songs with people for years in nashvil= le, and understand how copyright works.=A0 i work with words AND music myse= lf, even though it seemed that people wanted to specialize in nashville.=A0= is it fair that someone could take a musical composition that someone had = worked a lifetime on, on and off, put a melody and words on top, and get ha= lf of the publishing?=A0 is it fair to=A0then take those same words and mel= ody off, reharmonize and re-imagine them, and legally get all of=A0THAT pub= lishing? since the music part of publishing is legally defined as the melod= y, a lyricist/ melodist such as myself could technically argue sole ownersh= ip of=A0=A0the resultant work, were it not pre-agreed upon otherwise.=A0 it= is understandable that chord progressions are not copyrightable, and i wou= ld never change an agreement i had entered into, of course. the way that th= e copyright scene is changing, i am not sure that there is much sense in ev= en making the distinction any more.=A0 recorded music is becoming valueless anyway.=A0 i= only make music because it is just what i do.=A0 knowing myself, i am glad= that i never made a true career out of music, because when i proofread pro= fessionally, i don't read at home, and when i cook professionally, i don't = cook at home.=A0 i can't imagine not making music in my spare time, my own,= that is.=A0 were i to do it as a day job, i'm not sure what would happen.= =0A=A0=0Abut i would still separate my stuff into pieces and songs....=0A= =A0=0A=A0=0Atime=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Matt Da= vignon =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = =0ASent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:18 PM=0ASubject: Re: Opinions on music= theory=0A =0ADaniel Thomas was like:=0A>Its bad teachers who bite. Now th= ere is a good OT thread.=A0 Best/Worst Teach You Ever Had=0A=0AMy first gui= tar teacher (at age 15) told me that I would never ever do=0Aanything origi= nal because music has been around for over 1000 years.=0A=0A=0ARegarding mu= sic theory, Joy_top Top went:=0A>Then I think it isn't so much a theory, bu= t a structure to hold musical thoughts.=0A=0AThat's a good way of putting i= t - it's a naming and reference system=0Afor many of the positive pitch/vol= ume/time musical phenomena that have=0Abeen encountered to date. Learning t= hat stuff gives a musician a=0Atoolbox so that (s)he understands what each = thing is called, and can=0Afind it/call upon it again without too much trou= ble. Perhaps it's=0Asimilar to the difference between keeping all your name= s and addresses=0Ain Excel or having them all written on different slips of= paper.=0A=0AOn the other hand, while the toolbox may look like it's all a = person=0Aneeds, it's not necessarily all there is. People who live in San= =0AFrancisco don't casually leave city limits, because they think SF has=0A= all they'll ever need. Sure, there are plenty of people who still want=0Ato= explore outside their toolbox, and there are plenty who don't.=0A=0AI admi= t - it would be nice to have some of the things in that toolbox.=0AOn the o= ther hand, I'm mostly happy with the little niche I have. I do=0Aok here. A= couple times a year I'll be in a situation where I feel=0Aclueless, intimi= dated or useless, but frankly I think it's good to=0Afeel that way sometime= s. It reminds you that you're human. I have a=0Amuch smaller toolbox, with = a few unusual, homemade tools, and I'm=0Apretty happy with that.=0A=0ARegar= ding "songs", Kay'lon was all:=0A>On dictionary.com it is defined as someth= ing to be sung or made for singing.=0A>But dont we call everything a song i= n todaay society? Even instrumentals?=0A>This question popped up because my= mom was saying a song is made to=0A>have lyrics and I was arguing that a s= ong is any musical piece only to find out=0A>her definition matched what th= e dictionary said which i never knew before.Whats your take on it?=0A=0AI u= sed to call my sound-droppings "pieces" until a friend started=0Ateasing me= about it. I call them songs now and people generally don't=0Acomplain. "Co= mpositions" sounded to me like it's written down=0Asomewhere, and someone e= lse could perform it with similar results.=0A"Works" just felt snooty to me= .=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0AMatt Davignon=0Amattdavignon@gmail.com=0Awww.ribosomemus= ic.com=0APodcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com=0Ahttp://www.youtube.co= m/user/ribosomematt --1929490892-1373757554-1329700337=:26634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 &nbs= p;   i still differentiate between my pieces and my songs.  = sometimes there is overlap, but it helps me to keep in mind what i am doing= if i decide that they are one or the other.  it seems that i can hear= a song in others' pieces more readily than my own at times.  i told a= musician friend of mine that i was interested in adding a melody line and = lyrics to some stuff he had written.  i did so, and he liked the resul= ts.  i made the mistake of saying something about turning his "pieces'= into songs, because that is the terminology i use myself.  his reacti= on made it seem that i had told him that he had provided a spare framework = and that i had actually done the real work in the piece.  he literally= said that the melodies i had created had to be in there somewhere, that i could not have added them, and that he had worked on this music for= years, as songs.  i could tell he was quite put back by my comment, a= nd felt that his ownership of his creation was slipping away.  but tha= t is a hazard of collaboration.  i told him that he still had the fram= eworks that i had created over, but that the words and technically even the= melody were mine, regardless of what they had been created to accompany.&n= bsp; it was actually quite a tense interchange.
 
     i wrote songs with = people for years in nashville, and understand how copyright works.  i = work with words AND music myself, even though it seemed that people wanted = to specialize in nashville.  is it fair that someone could take a musi= cal composition that someone had worked a lifetime on, on and off, put a me= lody and words on top, and get half of the publishing?  is it fair to then take those same words and melody off, reharmonize and re= -imagine them, and legally get all of THAT publishing? since the music= part of publishing is legally defined as the melody, a lyricist/ melodist = such as myself could technically argue sole ownership of  the res= ultant work, were it not pre-agreed upon otherwise.  it is understanda= ble that chord progressions are not copyrightable, and i would never change= an agreement i had entered into, of course. the way that the copyright sce= ne is changing, i am not sure that there is much sense in even making the d= istinction any more.  recorded music is becoming valueless anyway.&nbs= p; i only make music because it is just what i do.  knowing myself, i = am glad that i never made a true career out of music, because when i proofr= ead professionally, i don't read at home, and when i cook professionally, i= don't cook at home.  i can't imagine not making music in my spare time, my own, that is.  were i to do it as a day job, i'm not s= ure what would happen.
 
but i would still separate my stuff into pieces and songs....
=
 
 
time=

<= b>From: Matt Davignon <mat= tdavignon@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions on music theory<= br>

=0ADaniel Thomas was like:
>Its bad teachers w= ho bite. Now there is a good OT thread.  Best/Worst Teach You Ever Had=

My first guitar teacher (at age 15) told me that I would never ever= do
anything original because music has been around for over 1000 years.=


Regarding music theory, Joy_top Top went:
>Then I think i= t isn't so much a theory, but a structure to hold musical thoughts.

= That's a good way of putting it - it's a naming and reference system
for= many of the positive pitch/volume/time musical phenomena that have
been= encountered to date. Learning that stuff gives a musician a
toolbox so = that (s)he understands what each thing is called, and can
find it/call u= pon it again without too much trouble. Perhaps it's
similar to the diffe= rence between keeping all your names and addresses
in Excel or having th= em all written on different slips of paper.

On the other hand, while= the toolbox may look like it's all a person
needs, it's not necessarily all there is. P= eople who live in San
Francisco don't casually leave city limits, becaus= e they think SF has
all they'll ever need. Sure, there are plenty of peo= ple who still want
to explore outside their toolbox, and there are plent= y who don't.

I admit - it would be nice to have some of the things i= n that toolbox.
On the other hand, I'm mostly happy with the little nich= e I have. I do
ok here. A couple times a year I'll be in a situation whe= re I feel
clueless, intimidated or useless, but frankly I think it's goo= d to
feel that way sometimes. It reminds you that you're human. I have a=
much smaller toolbox, with a few unusual, homemade tools, and I'm
pr= etty happy with that.

Regarding "songs", Kay'lon was all:
>On = dictionary.com it i= s defined as something to be sung or made for singing.
>But dont we call everything a song in todaay society? Even instrumentals?
>Th= is question popped up because my mom was saying a song is made to
>ha= ve lyrics and I was arguing that a song is any musical piece only to find o= ut
>her definition matched what the dictionary said which i never kne= w before.Whats your take on it?

I used to call my sound-droppings "p= ieces" until a friend started
teasing me about it. I call them songs now= and people generally don't
complain. "Compositions" sounded to me like = it's written down
somewhere, and someone else could perform it with simi= lar results.
"Works" just felt snooty to me.



--
Matt = Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomem= att



--1929490892-1373757554-1329700337=:26634-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 06:17:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A73A6183475; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 22:17:34 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:17:44 +0000 (UTC) We've had so many thought provoking discussions here at Loopers Delight (one of the nicest runs in this site's history) lately, about philosophy. Tonight. in an introspective mood, I saw two things posted to Facebook: I'll repost one here and one in the next email because they concern diffrerent topics. I found one depressing and one inspiring but they both inspired meditation. Firstly: A man sat at a metro stationin Washington DC and started to play the violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was calculated that 1,100 people went through the station, most of them on their way to work. Three minutes went by, and a middle aged man noticed there was musician playing. He slowed his pace, and stopped for a few seconds, and then hurried up to meet his schedule. A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman threw the money in the till and without stopping, and continued to walk. A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to him, but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. Clearly he was late for work. The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother tagged him along, hurried, but the kid stopped to look at the violinist. Finally, the mother pushed hard, and the child continued to walk, turning his head all the time. This action was repeated by several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced them to move on. In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money, but continued to walk their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition. No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most talented musicians in the world. He had just played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, on a violin worth $3.5 million dollars. Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a theater in Boston where the seats averaged $100. This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro station was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social experiment about perception, taste, and priorities of people. The outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate hour: Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we recognize the talent in an unexpected context? One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be: If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many other things are we missing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 06:45:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83829183475; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 565 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:45:36 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAEjpQU8yaAQq/2dsb2JhbABEsiuCewEBBDgCMB8LRlfBNIt/GhYBAQcGBQQCCgIJAQYDAwECAoNeCAkHBAMGAjWCO2MEiE6SRo0v X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,449,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="252639132" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.4.42] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.4.42 Message-Id: <44382D76-045F-4FC9-BF19-C2078C82B5A6@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:43:01 -0600 References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:45:37 +0000 (UTC) I saw that same FB post, and I'm sure I've come across the story before, although I can't recall where. I think it mostly tells us that context is everything. We don't expect to hear first-rate musical performances , encounter world-class musicians, or come face to face with exquisite musical instruments worth millions of dollars in a subway station. We are conditioned that seek out those extraordinary things only in our leisure time, which is rapidly disappearing. I wish I had time to write more, but I'm working. (See above Re: leisure time). I also wish I still had the ability to see the world through a child's eyes. I only get to do it second-hand, through my 5 (nearly 6) year old daughter. It's the best I can do. Sucks... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 06:47:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73634183475; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEAHvrQU8yaAQq/2dsb2JhbABEsiuCegEBAQMBOAJECwtGV4gZuSeMLwEBBwYFBAIKAgkBBgEBAQECAQICg14ICQcEAwYCNYI7YwSITpJGjS8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,449,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="226398558" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.4.42] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.4.42 Message-Id: <4F030919-BC97-4483-AEAA-C25D5CC4BDB8@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44382D76-045F-4FC9-BF19-C2078C82B5A6@frontier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:54:29 -0600 References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <44382D76-045F-4FC9-BF19-C2078C82B5A6@frontier.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:47:39 +0000 (UTC) > We are conditioned that seek out those extraordinary things only > in our leisure time, "to seek out"... Sorry. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 06:56:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55FDB183477; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F41EE81.002A,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xHAViGX9+e5LGkdw6u/a+ch/Mizvw9zm0Gb6ja/viC4= c=1 sm=1 a=TLIZsLH6pUsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=r_5vNergAAAA:20 a=KzaO8LHMAAAA:8 a=vMdjnO6J1G7Sov2YUcUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=cKjnI6CrBYCoxbRdJ-UA:9 a=sriSkMScY9l8pQOpJX0A:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=JOB2PRqKaAkA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 22:55:55 -0800 Message-ID: <7A0C385CCAB8408E83ADB6AABAA5A389@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FD_01CCEF59.A36F2600" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Thread-Index: Aczvl2dalCYLQHszRX2wdUMP2ntL1gAA2IFA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:56:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01CCEF59.A36F2600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIRC, there was SOME recognition- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOPu0_YWhw http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401 721.html "As it happens, exactly one person recognized Bell, and she didn't arrive until near the very end. For Stacy Furukawa, a demographer at the Commerce Department, there was no doubt. She doesn't know much about classical music, but she had been in the audience three weeks earlier, at Bell's free concert at the Library of Congress. And here he was, the international virtuoso, sawing away, begging for money. She had no idea what the heck was going on, but whatever it was, she wasn't about to miss it. Furukawa positioned herself 10 feet away from Bell, front row, center. She had a huge grin on her face. The grin, and Furukawa, remained planted in that spot until the end. "It was the most astonishing thing I've ever seen in Washington," Furukawa says. "Joshua Bell was standing there playing at rush hour, and people were not stopping, and not even looking, and some were flipping quarters at him! Quarters! I wouldn't do that to anybody. I was thinking, Omigosh, what kind of a city do I live in that this could happen?" When it was over, Furukawa introduced herself to Bell, and tossed in a twenty. Not counting that -- it was tainted by recognition -- the final haul for his 43 minutes of playing was $32.17. Yes, some people gave pennies." ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01CCEF59.A36F2600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IIRC, there was SOME = recognition—

http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DhnOPu0_YWhw

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article= /2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html

“As it happens, exactly one person recognized Bell, and she didn't arrive until near the very end. For Stacy Furukawa, a demographer at the Commerce Department, there was no doubt. She doesn't = know much about classical music, but she had been in the audience three weeks earlier, at Bell's free concert at the Library of Congress. And here he was, the = international virtuoso, sawing away, begging for money. She had no idea what the heck = was going on, but whatever it was, she wasn't about to miss it. =

Furukawa = positioned herself 10 feet away from Bell, front row, center. She had a huge grin on her face. The grin, and = Furukawa, remained planted in that spot until the end. =

"It was the most astonishing thing I've = ever seen in Washington," Furukawa says. "Joshua Bell was standing there playing at rush = hour, and people were not stopping, and not even looking, and some were flipping = quarters at him! Quarters! I wouldn't do that to anybody. I was thinking, = Omigosh, what kind of a city do I live in = that this could happen?"

When it was over, Furukawa introduced herself = to Bell, and = tossed in a twenty. Not counting that -- it was tainted by recognition -- the final = haul for his 43 minutes of playing was $32.17. Yes, some people gave = pennies.”

 

------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01CCEF59.A36F2600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 14:38:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE362183475; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context In-Reply-To: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEBDF4708B8047_E14_E9C02_webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35478-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEBDF4707D37E9-E14-3DC4D@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.115.196] Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:38:26 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1329748706; bh=GVuulw1ADQ8DqNCp/mzguJevxZhaOpjgLm3M4Fruof8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gCLK+1V17jL00zuL7RjI0W9fRaF2050dfkKqPJY86JEGkVKwdezIf/6UXmPlwUtJ9 TW/FenmlnCPjlxxyFE0xuwX0bdYBEVjssU+5G6/RDU3xCFoj/dfFf2v8S/WZUVtICv G0Vs+FAHIRNbp5NbI3YAPy73tP/GT4PJMmJ04OL8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:238654800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4f425ae265d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:38:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEBDF4708B8047_E14_E9C02_webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most=20 talented musicians in the world. i would bet my life on the fact that everyone on this list would have campe= d out in front of mr. bell.....called in late to work, gone without a coffee, whatever.....i also bet there are way more people th= at HATE music then there are of us......yuck!..... no wonder i have agoraphobia with a more than moderate pinch of xenophobia.= ....LOOPER'S ISLAND, with a series of LOOPASTERIES throughout the world is what we need.....nice threads indeed..... =20 =20 ----------MB_8CEBDF4708B8047_E14_E9C02_webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most=20 talented musicians in the world.



i w=
ould bet my life on the fact that everyone on this list would have camped o=
ut in front of mr. bell.....called in late to work,
<=
tt>gone without a coffee, whatever.....i also bet there are way more=
 people that HATE music then there are of us......yuck!.....
no wonder i have agoraphobia with a more than moderate p=
inch of xenophobia.....LOOPER'S ISLAND, with a series of LOOPASTERIES
throughout the world is what=
 we need.....nice threads indeed.....
----------MB_8CEBDF4708B8047_E14_E9C02_webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 14:49:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DED2183466; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEBDF5ECD4A86C_E14_EA04F_webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35478-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEBDF5ECC6600E-E14-3DD5A@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.115.196] Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:49:04 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1329749344; bh=SzQbJHXb6qt3vzMBKDvXZQSDaUeV0UM2nDbVdSYjerI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GYZgDz1Dh74jhsc5VKs3lux/Jvll8Jn2q9V5TBYhIFrdFkxLsK0pC35cgzq8HexJM TRlB7g3c26avlSWdyUgKICAoYCegv/DG32MrvBIuO73RVYXcsnBCLiOjQ+6gVB3vuC CT2n4QCaRSZP1fj9hnGLr85mwhQjt23QrEKo1ZBk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:322489408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4f425d600264 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:49:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEBDF5ECD4A86C_E14_EA04F_webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" some were flipping quartersat him! Quarters! I wouldn't do that to anybody.= I=20 penny, penny, plenty.....LOOPER SEZ: "gee mr. bell you are outfuckingregio= us..... but do you know about loopers?" =20 ----------MB_8CEBDF5ECD4A86C_E14_EA04F_webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

so= me were flipping quarters at him! Quarters! I wouldn't do that to anybody. I



penny, penny, plenty.....LOOPER SEZ: &= nbsp;"gee mr. bell you are outfuckingregious.....
 but do you know abou= t loopers?"
----------MB_8CEBDF5ECD4A86C_E14_EA04F_webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 14:55:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9073E183466; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:55:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context In-Reply-To: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120220145528.2DEC5846D2@server01.gorrie.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:55:36 +0000 (UTC) I see a few different issues at play here. 1. as a society and individuals we don't build in the time to our schedules to allow for the unexpected. I have an hour's drive to work and I seldom leave an extra 20 or 30 min early to allow myself the time to stop and admire that hawk in the tree, or the sight of the ice breaking up in the river that I cross. 2. An entertainer, if he/she wants to achieve some level of success, you have to be sensitive to some of the needs of your prospective audience. It's really not fair to complain that people don't stop to listen when you know that they have trains and appointments to meet. There was a time in my life when I used to do a lot of busking and I can tell you that the subway at rush hour is just a bad choice as a location to play! As I'm sure that most here that have day jobs would concur, "I'm late because I stopped to listen to an incredible musician play at the subway stop" is just not an acceptable excuse to be late. For most us, our lives are ruled by the tyranny of time. As a busker I learned to play at farmers markets or craft shows, someplace where the majority of people are not restricted by schedules and appointments. In that situation being in a unexpected place can really work in your favour. I used to perform at a wood show where the vendors are selling wood working equipment, wood crafts and well.... wood..... I was approached by the organizer because he knew that I built my own dulcimers and so could talk with people about instrument building as well as playing the instrument and providing some musical entertainment. I sold over $4,000.00 in recordings and got several bookings out of that weekend. If I could have lined up even one show like that every couple of months I would still be doing it. 3. there is another issue here that I have observed and that is that the busker is not generally seen as an entertainer but as a beggar. I have stopped people and gave their change back to them when they just swoop past and drop some money in the basket without listening. I told them, I only want your payment for the music you have listened to, then you can decide what that music is worth. Several years ago I heard a commentary on the CBC radio that lumped buskers in with panhandlers and I sent them this as a response: "I took great offence at the commentary on the six o'clock news cast this evening(march 5/ 97). I am a hammered dulcimer player (an ancient musical instrument) and most often make my living busking and selling my recordings to people on the street or at farmers markets etc. And while I do understand the point that was trying to be made; I do not appreciate that buskers are lumped together with panhandlers. LOOK IT UP; a busker is an entertainer who performs most often on the street or some other public area and is paid directly by those who appreciate their work by putting money into the hat. I regard this to be one of the most honest forms of entertainment because you only pay for what you enjoy. How many times have you paid your hard earned money to see a show or musician and ended up hating it? I and most other buskers that I know have worked hard for many years to bring our performance level to a place where it can be displayed in public, and see busking as a viable alternative to performing in bars or clubs. It also could be argued that we enhance the city by bringing our art directly to the people instead of keeping it only for those who can pay. a panhandler on the other hand is someone who begs; and though they may not be seen as having somthing to contribute, they should be given both our compassion and our respect. It wouldn't take to many more government cuts to put anyone that you or I know into that position. Anyone can end up as a panhandler but it takes years of hard work, dedication to your art and to a philosophy that art belongs to everyone to be a busker. So PLEASE do not confuse people by talking about buskers and beggers as if they are basicly the same." Respectfully, Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 01:17 AM 2/20/2012, you wrote: >We've had so many thought provoking discussions here at Loopers Delight (one >of the nicest runs in this site's history) lately, about philosophy. > >Tonight. in an introspective mood, I saw two things posted to Facebook: > >I'll repost one here and one in the next email because they concern >diffrerent topics. >I found one depressing and one inspiring but they both inspired meditation. > >Firstly: > >A man sat at a metro stationin Washington DC and started to play the >violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for >about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was >calculated that 1,100 people went through the station, most of them >on their way to work. > >Three minutes went by, and a middle aged man noticed there was >musician playing. He slowed his pace, and stopped for a few seconds, >and then hurried up to meet his schedule. > >A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman >threw the money in the till and without stopping, and continued to walk. > >A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to >him, but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. >Clearly he was late for work. > >The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother >tagged him along, hurried, but the kid stopped to look at the >violinist. Finally, the mother pushed hard, and the child continued >to walk, turning his head all the time. This action was repeated by >several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced >them to move on. > >In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and >stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money, but continued to walk >their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and >silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was >there any recognition. > >No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most >talented musicians in the world. He had just played one of the most >intricate pieces ever written, on a violin worth $3.5 million dollars. > >Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a >theater in Boston where the seats averaged $100. > >This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro >station was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social >experiment about perception, taste, and priorities of people. The >outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate >hour: Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we >recognize the talent in an unexpected context? > >One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be: > >If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best >musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many >other things are we missing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 16:36:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F8E183475; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of evanpeewee@gmail.com designates 10.180.80.8 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.80.8; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of evanpeewee@gmail.com designates 10.180.80.8 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=evanpeewee@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=evanpeewee@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RmOKZNQdlOjEpssNOIbpjxAfVG0rVZs0N9Q8LtU5AcM=; b=BlzwtaDBcVliSUxeiSdTDJMpYHKaXNiJdhnd3SgWYgQc6tmyu1yjk35GnRxdkc7NH0 oJUwtNZFT0gXNA5T7mlUtWLlR0VWtLuMVJkizRt0hdL2rQnwjhxqefElliE0bV9R5+rZ gVyeVMh3SOwQUvq//24ui0GJL+gFyXesBktLc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:36:24 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0418264633255c04b967e5ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:36:25 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0418264633255c04b967e5ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *well, back in the good ole grad school days study painting, we talked about "Art" can't exist w/o a context. i'd put music in that also. the mega million $$ works of art need the system of museums/galleries/collectors/etc to create & sustain this. of course there are those who exist outside this...but the idea, if you are walking in the woods and see a stretched canvas w/ paint on it, most likely you'll say: hmm, looks like thrown out trash! music is the same. especially your story-if people are on a deadline to get to work, odds are most aren't going to listen very long (obligations, etc). plus as stated, you don't expect world class musician w/ 3 mil $ violin playing on your way to work. s--- re: *Firstly: A man sat at a metro stationin Washington DC and started to play the violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was calculated that 1,100 people went through the station, most of them on their way to work. Three minutes went by, and a middle aged man noticed there was musician playing. He slowed his pace, and stopped for a few seconds, and then hurried up to meet his schedule. A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman threw the money in the till and without stopping, and continued to walk. A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to him, but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. Clearly he was late for work. The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother tagged him along, hurried, but the kid stopped to look at the violinist. Finally, the mother pushed hard, and the child continued to walk, turning his head all the time. This action was repeated by several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced them to move on. In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money, but continued to walk their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition. No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most talented musicians in the world. He had just played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, on a violin worth $3.5 million dollars. Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a theater in Boston where the seats averaged $100. This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro station was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social experiment about perception, taste, and priorities of people. The outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate hour: Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we recognize the talent in an unexpected context? One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be: If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many other things are we missing? --f46d0418264633255c04b967e5ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well, back in the good ole grad school days study painting, we talk= ed about "Art" can't exist w/o a context. i'd put music i= n that also. the mega million $$ works of art need the system of museums/ga= lleries/collectors/etc to create & sustain this.
of course there are those who exist outside this...but the idea, if you are= walking in the woods and see a stretched canvas w/ paint on it, most likel= y you'll say: hmm, looks like thrown out trash!

music is the sam= e. especially your story-if people are on a deadline to get to work, odds a= re most aren't going to listen very long (obligations, etc). plus as st= ated, you don't expect world class musician w/ 3 mil $ violin playing o= n your way to work.
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If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best= =20 musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how ma= ny=20 other things are we missing? --f46d0418264633255c04b967e5ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 17:18:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF06D183464; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4F428070.0049,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=frM3ubQMsGNQr4xvsYRL0w/vXhCHzSHejYyZ59KnNZI= c=1 sm=1 a=TLIZsLH6pUsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=EN01akVqntCAl5IcERwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:18:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Thread-Index: Aczvl2dalCYLQHszRX2wdUMP2ntL1gAXC/qQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:18:41 +0000 (UTC) "I caught his refrain as the signal changed, He was playin' real good for free." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 17:42:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D32D18345E; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pjanowski@gmail.com designates 10.68.224.133 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.224.133; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pjanowski@gmail.com designates 10.68.224.133 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pjanowski@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=pjanowski@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mNVX0L7QI3l3658Aw39USKrtdQFXmh/s40RSLDivVPw=; b=jsmxEAKeofAjaJO/nvXFomSrRKt3FsatChQdbJP0e1zvuodAyWkbBTKyZlH5+NHVVk ThvaIp6hDTOQt0BKjJF3ae07UujPoTKnttWloYhR9/1XkiTxo+fvvxmWzXerUpxipLE0 GpEEPFQnuOsQVjmfEhk/csU5k5VpFnTRUmGqQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:42:28 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context From: Pawel Janowski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff254b073c39a04b968d108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:42:30 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff254b073c39a04b968d108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Maybe I am being obvious and not particularly insightful, but my feeling is that classical audiences are, on the whole, relatively small, especially ones that can tell 'great' from 'good' or 'average' (I often can't for instance). I would wager that even in his sold out concerts, quite a few people in the audience wouldn't be able to tell you why an outstanding performance would be different than a competent one (high-profile classical concerts are not always filled with audiences well-versed in classical music). This has notthing to do with liking or hating music, or even appreciating music. I would assume that many passers-by would think "this guy is pretty good at the violin", but that wouldn't quite be enough to stop and take time to listen, especially if Bach is not a part of their musical diet (and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that). Let's say (and that's not scientific in any way) that 70% of the 1,100 are active music listeners, 10% of them have some appreciation for classical music, and half of them can tell that they're hearing a great violinist playing a Bach piece. So we are taling about less than 40 people in a rush to get to work... So I wouldn't say it's all about context, nor is it a sign of the downfall of western civilisation, more an issue of how likely you are to find your audience in a crowd of commuters. Also, how many of the 1,100 were listening to their IPods? ;) Ok, back to lurking. On 20 February 2012 17:18, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > "I caught his refrain as the signal changed, > He was playin' real good for free." > > --e89a8ff254b073c39a04b968d108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe I am being obvious and not particularly insightful, but my feeli= ng is that classical audiences are, on the whole, relatively small, especia= lly ones that can tell 'great' from 'good' or 'average&= #39; (I often can't for instance). I would wager that even in his sold = out concerts, quite a few people in the audience wouldn't be able to te= ll you why an outstanding=A0performance would be different than a competent= one (high-profile classical concerts are not always filled with audiences = well-versed in classical music).
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This has notthing to do with liking or hating music, or = even appreciating music. I would assume that many passers-by would think &q= uot;this guy is pretty good at the violin", but that wouldn't quit= e be enough to stop and take time to listen, especially if Bach is not a pa= rt of their musical diet (and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that).= Let's say (and that's not scientific in any way)=A0that 70% of the= 1,100 are active music listeners, 10% of them have some appreciation=A0for= classical music, and half of them can tell that they're hearing a grea= t violinist playing a Bach piece. So we are taling about less than 40 peopl= e in a rush to get to work...
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So I wouldn't say it's all about context,=A0nor = is it a sign of the downfall of western civilisation, more an issue of how = likely you are to find your audience in a crowd of commuters.
= =A0
Also, how many of the 1,100 were listening to their IPods? ;)
=A0
Ok, back to lurking.
O= n 20 February 2012 17:18, Clayton Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
"I caught his refrain as the signal changed,
He was playin' real good for free."


--e89a8ff254b073c39a04b968d108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 17:49:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8856C183463; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of krispen.hartung@gmail.com designates 10.60.27.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.27.6; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of krispen.hartung@gmail.com designates 10.60.27.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=krispen.hartung@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=krispen.hartung@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=GqYqpiAeX+Vcr/s4CVwNtJ4BF2sUFh08S7yeFgnOohc=; b=lVLlU2ffkE3JzOuSR5SBO9Jf/coysc5CPFvCPXUDP06LRDIuW+IZLyjpnsLCsOtnke 2ikovYKeHUmQrIhQAJphdbVdZNnIgEGU6ZyYXou2udlMDIzn4QBRvs0HLsPHUUeyE7pj HGHWxadGm+4+wpN0MI7gObQIggxjV3+/09s28= Message-ID: <8B0B66E6375743B08708CE373668964C@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:49:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Wow, Rick. This is very, very interesting. Can you send me the link so I can share on FB? I love these sort of sociological experiments, and I wish I could sit at the bar with you and discuss this over an ale, because my philosophical brain has so many thoughts and questions that I can't possibly get them out here right. This reminds me of experiences like what was articulated in Black Like Me, where a white man posed as a black man and was treated like shit. And then when he revealed himself, he was treated even more like shit because he basically make people look like idiots and proved that treated a white guy badly purely becuase of the color of his skine...but I digress. One thing that this story possibly suggests to me is that the average person has to be told what is good art or music, etc, and they don't have the ability to discern it themselves. It is culturally defined and informed on average, not immediately intuited by the individual. It's like when they have the big jazz festival here in Boise, and this is the time when all the snobs come out and support jazz and claim they are faithful supporters of the art, but it's the only time you really see them do this, when they are told to because it is a huge public event. And quite honestly, they would buy into whatever you put in their faces, hook, line and sinker. So, in this case, "context" is very important. The context is sort of a cue for the average person...it tells them "Hey, this is good art"...you need to pay attention. And they pay attention because they've taught that this is the sort of thing you are supposed to do in the presence of good art. Otherwise, they wouldn't know the difference or wouldnt care. So the story proves that good art or an amazing artist is not something that come by intuition at the individual level. People have to be trained and conditioned to recognize it. It's like a $500 bottle of wine that gets beat in a blind taste contes by a $10 bottle of wine. It happens a lot. If you tell most people that they are drinking the expensive bottle, and then let them drink the less expensive bottle, their conditioned brains will take over and they will claim that the expensive bottle is better...even though a blind taste test shows otherwise. People are extremly vulnerable to the power of suggestion. This also seems to validate the schemata or mental construct theory in cognitive psychology. Many experiments have been done that show that people have these mental contructs of things, like beauty, good art, etc. They walked several people through a room that they said was a doctor's office. They were asked to note afterwards what they saw...what they did was note things that were supposed to be in a doctor's offfice, but were not there, and they omitted things that were there but not normally in a doctor's office. In other words, their mental schemata of a doctor's office, constructed by their experiences, social influenece, etc, took over and filtered out some sensory data, but added or fabricatd others. So, if people have this schemata that you won't normally see a really, really good an famous arts in a Metro Station, then if there is one, they won't recognize him. So, perhaps it is this, or they just don't have the ability to discernn good art, regardless. Two possible explanations here, or maybe mix of both. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > We've had so many thought provoking discussions here at Loopers Delight > (one > of the nicest runs in this site's history) lately, about philosophy. > > Tonight. in an introspective mood, I saw two things posted to Facebook: > > I'll repost one here and one in the next email because they concern > diffrerent topics. > I found one depressing and one inspiring but they both inspired > meditation. > > Firstly: > > A man sat at a metro stationin Washington DC and started to play the > violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for about > 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was calculated > that 1,100 people went through the station, most of them on their way to > work. > > Three minutes went by, and a middle aged man noticed there was musician > playing. He slowed his pace, and stopped for a few seconds, and then > hurried up to meet his schedule. > > A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman threw > the money in the till and without stopping, and continued to walk. > > A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to him, but > the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. Clearly he was late > for work. > > The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother > tagged him along, hurried, but the kid stopped to look at the violinist. > Finally, the mother pushed hard, and the child continued to walk, turning > his head all the time. This action was repeated by several other children. > All the parents, without exception, forced them to move on. > > In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and stayed > for a while. About 20 gave him money, but continued to walk their normal > pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no > one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition. > > No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most > talented musicians in the world. He had just played one of the most > intricate pieces ever written, on a violin worth $3.5 million dollars. > > Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a > theater in Boston where the seats averaged $100. > > This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro station > was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social experiment about > perception, taste, and priorities of people. The outlines were: in a > commonplace environment at an inappropriate hour: Do we perceive beauty? > Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we recognize the talent in an unexpected > context? > > One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be: > > If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best musicians > in the world playing the best music ever written, how many other things > are we missing? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 17:54:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 709CF183454; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4F4288C3.00F2,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xHAViGX9+e5LGkdw6u/a+ch/Mizvw9zm0Gb6ja/viC4= c=1 sm=1 a=TLIZsLH6pUsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=rxxSRXC7t1V5iP5AdWkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=8KcJTAxLZ9k0W-Km9c0A:9 a=K6bk_tK9ewQJoXKcleUA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:54:06 -0800 Message-ID: <9B680ED9C67F4606AADC25F4B6574714@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0158_01CCEFB5.959B3E40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: Thread-Index: Aczv9wjF3sa2okDtRPS/n71sgrWWXgAAJeNw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: <2OaQXB.A.7aG.FjoQPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:54:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0158_01CCEFB5.959B3E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My latest project is learning to play chromatic harmonica-so I take it with me almost everywhere and practice. It's been about ten years now, so I am good enough to play it onstage. SOME people notice that I am doing something different, and comment on it. MOST people just think it is "grandpa playing the harmonica" (I seem to be having a 60th birthday this year . . . ) ------=_NextPart_000_0158_01CCEFB5.959B3E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My latest project is learning to = play chromatic harmonica—so I take it with me almost everywhere and = practice.

It’s been about ten years = now, so I am good enough to play it onstage.

SOME  people notice that I am = doing something different, and comment on it.

MOST  people just think it is = “grandpa playing the harmonica” (I seem to be having a 60th = birthday this year . . . )

------=_NextPart_000_0158_01CCEFB5.959B3E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:09:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1214B183473; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEANmLQk8yaAQq/2dsb2JhbABDsX+CegEBAQMBOAJPBQZGVyqHb7c2jA0QEgEBBwYFBAIKAgkBBgMDAQICg14ICQcEAwYCNYI7YwSITpJGjS8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,451,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="214127815" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.4.42] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.4.42 Message-Id: <1AD21BDE-E7A1-44B0-957F-323C702B3E12@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8B0B66E6375743B08708CE373668964C@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:15:55 -0600 References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <8B0B66E6375743B08708CE373668964C@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <7tz0oD.A.CuG.ExoQPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:09:08 +0000 (UTC) > > > One thing that this story possibly suggests to me is that the > average person has to be told what is good art or music, etc, and > they don't have the ability to discern it themselves. I don't think we can assume that's the case in this instance. If the majority of those people were on their way to work, they didn't have time to stop and listen. They may very have arrived at work and told their co-workers that they had just heard the most insanely talented violin player in the subway, and regretted they didn't have time to listen more. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:13:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CE68183466; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEADCMQk8yaAQq/2dsb2JhbABEsXuCewEBBDgCTwUGRlcqwW+MLwEBBwYFBAIKAgkBBgMDAQICg14ICQcEAwYCNYI7YwSITpJGjS8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,451,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="226541571" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.4.42] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.4.42 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1AD21BDE-E7A1-44B0-957F-323C702B3E12@frontier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:20:00 -0600 References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <8B0B66E6375743B08708CE373668964C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1AD21BDE-E7A1-44B0-957F-323C702B3E12@frontier.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:13:14 +0000 (UTC) > > . If the majority of those people were on their way to work, they > didn't have time to stop and listen. They may very have arrived at > work and told their co-workers that they had just heard the most > insanely talented violin player in the subway, and regretted they > didn't have time to listen more. "may very well have..." (Lord, I can't type lately, it seems). I should add that I also have no doubt that plenty of those people came and went without giving the music a second thought--for whatever reason. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:15:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DFAB183466; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0AF1E2441D4B41F8B3345F0D55E2BF6A@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <8B0B66E6375743B08708CE373668964C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1AD21BDE-E7A1-44B0-957F-323C702B3E12@frontier.com> In-Reply-To: <1AD21BDE-E7A1-44B0-957F-323C702B3E12@frontier.com> Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:15:43 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:15:43 +0000 (UTC) I concur! I would naturally assume that on the way to work people are less likely to pay much attention. In addition the pennies given to him could have been for a variety of reasons, like [a] all the change they could spare, [b] a gesture more than just passing by. I would put forth that while going home people are more capable of appreciating a beautiful performance. Any folks with busking experience out there? > One thing that this story possibly suggests to me is that the average > person has to be told what is good art or music, etc, and they don't have > the ability to discern it themselves. I don't think we can assume that's the case in this instance. If the majority of those people were on their way to work, they didn't have time to stop and listen. They may very have arrived at work and told their co-workers that they had just heard the most insanely talented violin player in the subway, and regretted they didn't have time to listen more. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:39:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A028183473; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:39:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_91048407==.ALT" Message-Id: <20120220183904.47A8CD3ECE@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC) --=====================_91048407==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:36 AM 2/20/2012, you wrote: >well, back in the good ole grad school days study painting, we >talked about "Art" can't exist w/o a context. i'd put music in that >also. the mega million $$ works of art need the system of >museums/galleries/collectors/etc to create & sustain this. >of course there are those who exist outside this...but the idea, if >you are walking in the woods and see a stretched canvas w/ paint on >it, most likely you'll say: hmm, looks like thrown out trash! I have a water colour up in my living room that is one of my favorite pieces of art work. Many people that come to visit also comment on it that it is a really nice painting, I found it at the dump.... In my own musical efforts I've often found that the tunes that were sort of "throw aways" tunes that just seemed too simplistic to be offered up as examples of my compositions or of my skill as a hammered dulcimer player have ended up as other peoples favorites. I suppose as Kris has often reminded us, art is a matter of perception to a great degree. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada --=====================_91048407==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:36 AM 2/20/2012, you wrote:
well, back in the good ole grad school days study painting, we talked about "Art" can't exist w/o a context. i'd put music in that also. the mega million $$ works of art need the system of museums/galleries/collectors/etc to create & sustain this.
of course there are those who exist outside this...but the idea, if you are walking in the woods and see a stretched canvas w/ paint on it, most likely you'll say: hmm, looks like thrown out trash!


I have a water colour up in my living room that is one of my favorite pieces of art work. Many people that come to visit also comment on it that it is a really nice painting, I found it at the dump....

In my own musical efforts I've often found that the tunes that were sort of "throw aways" tunes that just seemed too simplistic to be offered up as examples of my compositions or of my skill as a hammered dulcimer player have ended up as other peoples favorites. I suppose as Kris has often reminded us, art is a matter of perception to a great degree.

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca
Ontario, Canada --=====================_91048407==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:40:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81C4C183466; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of krispen.hartung@gmail.com designates 10.182.164.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.164.7; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of krispen.hartung@gmail.com designates 10.182.164.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=krispen.hartung@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=krispen.hartung@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=YmRMqcaST8bXy0hgLndHhBd5OapPrrEteG4RMbU4E9c=; b=lnHJ2RWOr4wvTKqoixWvVKNqA9eABZXfYG6u2Sa9SOif95oa6kkbJ9N29JbtB8qD0Y 0Kf7GEQrK8Nc7Ww5jIT0FEtyAwWeUs1hqXr/L+re02ev1FWaT+zYL5hXrKJkhkiEaxnj w8N5aWLsedb3VL6Ebo9fhyWUxE6npSdFN0vPs= Message-ID: <61730C61982C4D6BBBA7A32104A85249@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <8B0B66E6375743B08708CE373668964C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1AD21BDE-E7A1-44B0-957F-323C702B3E12@frontier.com> <0AF1E2441D4B41F8B3345F0D55E2BF6A@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: <0AF1E2441D4B41F8B3345F0D55E2BF6A@ELUK1> Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:40:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:40:28 +0000 (UTC) I guess you guys are really optimistic and I am a real downer. :) If I were on my way to work and heard someone of that caliber, I could justify at least a pause, a 15-30 second stop to listen. I don't give them that excuse of work, when even 30 seconds would mean something. ----- Original Message ----- >I concur! I would naturally assume that on the way to work people are less >likely to pay much attention. In addition the pennies given to him could >have been for a variety of reasons, like [a] all the change they could >spare, [b] a gesture more than just passing by. I would put forth that >while going home people are more capable of appreciating a beautiful >performance. Any folks with busking experience out there? > >> One thing that this story possibly suggests to me is that the average >> person has to be told what is good art or music, etc, and they don't >> have the ability to discern it themselves. > > I don't think we can assume that's the case in this instance. If the > majority of those people were on their way to work, they didn't have > time to stop and listen. They may very have arrived at work and told > their co-workers that they had just heard the most insanely talented > violin player in the subway, and regretted they didn't have time to > listen more. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:42:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 754F5183466; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 782 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:42:16 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pCO2RkScT4ty+30YBROFUqJSg5NfcDDpnD9AdD4Knu3l53ENCybKyTmuAjfFIic3; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:29:04 -0800 References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791ed34af526a91d0af49cd7f700af6107350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.142.17.64 Resent-Message-ID: <6umpy.A.3dH.IQpQPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Ditto Paul and Pawel; this "experiment", which I recall reading about =20= shortly after it happened, always seemed to me to have been set up to =20= guarantee the results obtained and wanted, and pretty obviously so. What's so surprising about a bunch of commuters in a metro station on =20= the way to work being too busy, too preoccupied and too habituated to =20= jump the rails for some serious, long-form music, no matter how high-=20 quality? Any marketing person could have predicted exactly what =20 happened, let alone any busker=85 Similarly, I don't see any evidence that an average crowd or the =20 average person values random beauty much at all. How often have you =20 ever seen a freeway traffic jam, or even a single pulled-over vehicle, =20= during a spectacular sunset, or any other jaw-dropping display of =20 light on landscape as seen from the road? Nothing's less important =20 than the "task at hand". What's more of a cliche than "Stop and smell the roses!" or that the =20 Artistic Life (which is not renowned for being an enviable one) is =20 about noticing the beauty that everyone else misses? dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:46:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 095BD183475; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iRUK/UTrAAAPZ9pnLtUi5+6xj6MOP9aRlZaGo+fXKTREyZTss5sPWxYyQ4yh6+ip; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <9CFF5C20-3772-400E-9692-1F093C97C886@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:46:25 -0800 References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c4335704b8e7cd051e393445f67598dd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.142.17.64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Make that: EVERYTHING's less important than the "task at hand". On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, David Coffin wrote: > Ditto Paul and Pawel; this "experiment", which I recall reading =20 > about shortly after it happened, always seemed to me to have been =20 > set up to guarantee the results obtained and wanted, and pretty =20 > obviously so. > > What's so surprising about a bunch of commuters in a metro station =20 > on the way to work being too busy, too preoccupied and too =20 > habituated to jump the rails for some serious, long-form music, no =20 > matter how high-quality? Any marketing person could have predicted =20 > exactly what happened, let alone any busker=85 > > Similarly, I don't see any evidence that an average crowd or the =20 > average person values random beauty much at all. How often have you =20= > ever seen a freeway traffic jam, or even a single pulled-over =20 > vehicle, during a spectacular sunset, or any other jaw-dropping =20 > display of light on landscape as seen from the road? Nothing's less =20= > important than the "task at hand". > > What's more of a cliche than "Stop and smell the roses!" or that the =20= > Artistic Life (which is not renowned for being an enviable one) is =20 > about noticing the beauty that everyone else misses? > > dpc > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:48:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3784B183463; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 725405123/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.178.39/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.178.39 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBABmUQk9V0rIn/2dsb2JhbAAMOLR3AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwX2MLwEBBwYCAwYDBwIRAQEBAgECAoNiBAkHBAMGAjWDHgSbAY0j X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,452,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="725405123" Message-ID: <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:48:00 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Joni Mitchell "For Free" Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > "I caught his refrain as the signal changed, > He was playin' real good for free." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 20:32:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB4C7183466; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.133.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.133.3; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.133.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=eaAAzctsbi18PG0YhpRjwpBREACSof6VVbVnl4Y4c7k=; b=DEZLkeZqrmquTYpFeP7bO0OMNI1kIejhxOif2Oj/DS8NtDODw/HNQVtcpli8hLRRdV BuGxILkTcsxxVPfPvajbueEBLDjYZIcqqbTADTYNOk5BXrBd4PLMa1xpu6uB6ugW25NL nWTgd043XF/G5sRTJAYwM9jA3j7ikyZFpYMc8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:32:08 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: l1Ov9PEWS6S5zf7IVJYDCt8dSnk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0434c34265b31904b96b316b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:32:29 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0434c34265b31904b96b316b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My god you people have got it all lop-sided! I saw this "violinist in the subway" link months ago, (it seems to be a re-emerging meme) I couldnt see what the fuss was all about. The piece was obviously written from a " Oh what has the world come to??" second rate rag standpoint. (like the biggest selling newspaper here in Norway, one day its "Posh Spice in fat ass shock" the next its "Rape wave in Norway" the next its "Norway best place in the world.. Official!" ) UGH! I couldn't help but see this from 2 points of view... 1. Violin? Who knows or likes anything about a violin? I mean their nice and 'all, but if J Zee or whatever his name is, had been rapping in the metro.. now THAT might have stopped a few folk, the 10,000 people who all paid for a ticket to see him, well they KNEW all about him didnt they...? The level of street performers is generally excellent, if you go to Covent Garden in London or Pompideu center in Paris (and occasionally in Egertoget in Oslo), you will see many many world class musicians and performers. (Why are there no knife jugglers performing at Carnegie Hall is what I would like to know!) Generally the level of Art we see all around us is very very very high! And frankely I wouldnt be sure that Joshua Bell is anywhere near as talented as the one string blues guitarist drunk guy that lives under a bridge near me.. (yes in Norway at -11 degrees). In England we say "its Horses for Courses" I've never know quite why we say it, but we say it at moments like this. 2.Art? OMG... Do I have to explain art now? OK, for the last time... there is no such thing as good Art and Bad Art... there is just lucrative art and non-lucrative Art. Now there ARE talented painters and genius film-makers, and oh so wonderful wonderful musicians, but the Art that they make.. is subjective... thats not the same thing as context. Context suggests that, placed in the right time at the right place, a "Good bit of Art" will be heralded rightly as " a good bit of Art". That some how "truth will out!" That is unfortunately not so. There are many many many many more GREAT artists, than ever become known as such. And the reason for that, is that there exists a business called "The Art Business" that likes it that way. If everyone was equally famous, then there would be no "supply and demand" for the Art dealers to trade their commodities in. Dont worry, Im NOT slamming them, I love Art galleries, I'm lazy, I LIKE to be told what is selling at the moment, it is after all... interesting. and I often see things I LOVE... I LOVE Gilbert and George, I love Joseph Beuys, I love Frida Kahlo. It great to be told that Joshua Ball is a great violinist, I didnt know that, now I do! And as someone mentioned correctly earlier in this thread, I wouldnt KNOW he was great, if he hit me over the head with his Strad... Well actually then I might take note... Back to context. Artists, especially conceptual artists have been investigating this very idea / problem, whatever it is, for decades. Karl Andre made huge headlines in Britain because the Tate Gallery bought his "pile of bricks". He was playing with exactly that, what is Art, are bricks Art on a building site?, what if we put them in a gallery? Is it Art now? Also... Goldsworthy (sorry forgot name, could google but on a roll, you do it...) Yes Goldsworthy, he walks off into the wilderness, and makes beautiful arrangements of stones, in strange circles, or sews leaves together in complex tapestries, or builds tentative teetering Ice arches, NO ONE will EVER see them, but him.. except... wait for it... wait for it... He photographs them, and publishes them in very expensive coffee table books. Again.. whats the Art? The 500 living yellow ladybirds he has collected and arranged in a perfect square, for a few seconds, OR the photograph? I have been to rock concerts where I have been so bored, I felt like I was walking past, and then again, Ive heard interesting pinging noises on telphone wires and stopped to listen for a while, if they had hats, I'd put money in! There is Art and music around us all the time, beauty and wonder in every blink of the eye, I don't think there's much to be surprised about, if we walk past some of it.. do you? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d0434c34265b31904b96b316b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My god you people have got it all lop-sided!

I saw this "violin= ist in the subway" link months ago, (it seems to be a re-emerging meme= ) I couldnt see what the fuss was all about. The piece was obviously writte= n from a " Oh what has the world come to??" second rate rag stand= point. (like the biggest selling newspaper here in Norway, one day its &quo= t;Posh Spice in fat ass shock" the next its "Rape wave in Norway&= quot; the next its "Norway best place in the world.. Official!" )= UGH!

I couldn't help but see this from 2 points of view...

1. Vi= olin? Who knows or likes anything about a violin? I mean their nice and = 9;all, but if J Zee or whatever his name is, had been rapping in the metro.= . now THAT might have stopped a few folk, the 10,000 people who all paid fo= r a ticket to see him, well they KNEW all about him didnt they...?
The level of street performers is generally excellent, if you go to Covent = Garden in London or Pompideu center in Paris (and occasionally in Egertoget= in Oslo), you will see many many world class musicians and performers. (Wh= y are there no knife jugglers performing at Carnegie Hall is what I would l= ike to know!) Generally the level of Art we see all around us is very very = very high! And frankely I wouldnt be sure that Joshua Bell is anywhere near= as talented as the one string blues guitarist drunk guy that lives under a= bridge near me.. (yes in Norway at -11 degrees).
In England we say "its Horses for Courses" I've never know qu= ite why we say it, but we say it at moments like this.

2.Art? OMG...= Do I have to explain art now?
OK, for the last time... there is no such= thing as good Art and Bad Art... there is just lucrative art and non-lucra= tive Art.
Now there ARE talented painters and genius film-makers, and oh so wonderful= wonderful musicians,=A0 but the Art that they make.. is subjective... that= s not the same thing as context. Context suggests that, placed in the right= time at the right place, a "Good bit of Art" will be heralded ri= ghtly as " a good bit of Art". That some how "truth will out= !"
That is unfortunately not so.
There are many many many many more GREAT a= rtists, than ever become known as such. And the reason for that, is that th= ere exists a business called "The Art Business" that likes it tha= t way. If everyone was equally famous, then there would be no "supply = and demand" for the Art dealers to trade their commodities in. Dont wo= rry, Im NOT slamming them, I love Art galleries, I'm lazy, I LIKE to be= told what is selling at the moment, it is after all... interesting. and I = often see things I LOVE... I LOVE Gilbert and George, I love Joseph Beuys, = I love Frida Kahlo. It great to be told that Joshua Ball is a great violini= st, I didnt know that, now I do! And as someone mentioned correctly earlier= in this thread, I wouldnt KNOW he was great, if he hit me over the head wi= th his Strad... Well actually then I might take note...
Back to context. Artists, especially conceptual artists have been investiga= ting this very idea / problem, whatever it is, for decades. Karl Andre made= huge headlines in Britain because the Tate Gallery bought his "pile o= f bricks". He was playing with exactly that, what is Art, are bricks A= rt on a building site?, what if we put them in a gallery? Is it Art now? Al= so... Goldsworthy (sorry forgot name, could google but on a roll, you do it= ...) Yes Goldsworthy, he walks off into the wilderness, and makes beautiful= arrangements of stones, in strange circles, or sews leaves together in com= plex tapestries, or builds tentative teetering Ice arches, NO ONE will EVER= see them, but him.. except... wait for it... wait for it... He photographs= them, and publishes them in very expensive coffee table books. Again.. wha= ts the Art? The 500 living yellow ladybirds he has collected and arranged i= n a perfect square, for a few seconds, OR the photograph?

I have been to rock concerts where I have been so bored, I felt like I = was walking past, and then again, Ive heard interesting pinging noises on t= elphone wires and stopped to listen for a while, if they had hats, I'd = put money in!

There is Art and music around us all the time, beauty and wonder in eve= ry blink of the eye, I don't think there's much to be surprised abo= ut, if we walk past some of it.. do you?


--
Mark Francombe
= www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--f46d0434c34265b31904b96b316b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 20:37:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DC42183464; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.50.149.162 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.149.162; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.50.149.162 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nF5lgxclhZPRsBDwX5OKW0G3NBeLgQjgN5AzBwAKKRI=; b=dk1TV+4QWAlHqkvIJ83qQyEiHHM9p/iepxNs0l2GfSvN+LFzyLaiAUNmmcA8d80Xx3 /iVKe6sR1aoOlqg1ZxDj2qZWk21OIH0XtcHB+OdTMvCXQ7Gihq3xcD8P03qlcxaAcoU9 YXYtjXaNwBDP+vcPohucWNFXEC1RVHMFlfxSI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:37:34 +0000 (UTC) 8-) =85 nothing further need be said. (Oh, it's "Andy Goldsworthy" and he's an OBE. He does share his work in more conventional means, too, besides the photographs of his less logistically-challenging ones! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Goldsworthy) Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:32 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > My god you people have got it all lop-sided! > > I saw this "violinist in the subway" link months ago, (it seems to be a > re-emerging meme) I couldnt see what the fuss was all about. The piece wa= s > obviously written from a " Oh what has the world come to??" second rate r= ag > standpoint. (like the biggest selling newspaper here in Norway, one day i= ts > "Posh Spice in fat ass shock" the next its "Rape wave in Norway" the next > its "Norway best place in the world.. Official!" ) UGH! > > I couldn't help but see this from 2 points of view... > > 1. Violin? Who knows or likes anything about a violin? I mean their nice = and > 'all, but if J Zee or whatever his name is, had been rapping in the metro= .. > now THAT might have stopped a few folk, the 10,000 people who all paid fo= r a > ticket to see him, well they KNEW all about him didnt they...? > The level of street performers is generally excellent, if you go to Coven= t > Garden in London or Pompideu center in Paris (and occasionally in Egertog= et > in Oslo), you will see many many world class musicians and performers. (W= hy > are there no knife jugglers performing at Carnegie Hall is what I would l= ike > to know!) Generally the level of Art we see all around us is very very ve= ry > high! And frankely I wouldnt be sure that Joshua Bell is anywhere near as > talented as the one string blues guitarist drunk guy that lives under a > bridge near me.. (yes in Norway at -11 degrees). > In England we say "its Horses for Courses" I've never know quite why we s= ay > it, but we say it at moments like this. > > 2.Art? OMG... Do I have to explain art now? > OK, for the last time... there is no such thing as good Art and Bad Art..= . > there is just lucrative art and non-lucrative Art. > Now there ARE talented painters and genius film-makers, and oh so wonderf= ul > wonderful musicians,=A0 but the Art that they make.. is subjective... tha= ts > not the same thing as context. Context suggests that, placed in the right > time at the right place, a "Good bit of Art" will be heralded rightly as = " a > good bit of Art". That some how "truth will out!" > That is unfortunately not so. > There are many many many many more GREAT artists, than ever become known = as > such. And the reason for that, is that there exists a business called "Th= e > Art Business" that likes it that way. If everyone was equally famous, the= n > there would be no "supply and demand" for the Art dealers to trade their > commodities in. Dont worry, Im NOT slamming them, I love Art galleries, I= 'm > lazy, I LIKE to be told what is selling at the moment, it is after all... > interesting. and I often see things I LOVE... I LOVE Gilbert and George, = I > love Joseph Beuys, I love Frida Kahlo. It great to be told that Joshua Ba= ll > is a great violinist, I didnt know that, now I do! And as someone mention= ed > correctly earlier in this thread, I wouldnt KNOW he was great, if he hit = me > over the head with his Strad... Well actually then I might take note... > Back to context. Artists, especially conceptual artists have been > investigating this very idea / problem, whatever it is, for decades. Karl > Andre made huge headlines in Britain because the Tate Gallery bought his > "pile of bricks". He was playing with exactly that, what is Art, are bric= ks > Art on a building site?, what if we put them in a gallery? Is it Art now? > Also... Goldsworthy (sorry forgot name, could google but on a roll, you d= o > it...) Yes Goldsworthy, he walks off into the wilderness, and makes > beautiful arrangements of stones, in strange circles, or sews leaves > together in complex tapestries, or builds tentative teetering Ice arches,= NO > ONE will EVER see them, but him.. except... wait for it... wait for it...= He > photographs them, and publishes them in very expensive coffee table books= . > Again.. whats the Art? The 500 living yellow ladybirds he has collected a= nd > arranged in a perfect square, for a few seconds, OR the photograph? > > I have been to rock concerts where I have been so bored, I felt like I wa= s > walking past, and then again, Ive heard interesting pinging noises on > telphone wires and stopped to listen for a while, if they had hats, I'd p= ut > money in! > > There is Art and music around us all the time, beauty and wonder in every > blink of the eye, I don't think there's much to be surprised about, if we > walk past some of it.. do you? > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 20:48:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C533183464; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.133.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.133.3; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.133.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Gd3sny/IHJy6I6cpbHH8x37F7kUxXMOfYBlKl5G//dM=; b=ZBdnR63vb0vHdCaZ1AzoPlnhWx8+6UoLraLi+jQtcgw7jU7hezVxI76drNgLSfNk+t KqGsJXUdpk/O0c34tq7U1q57XZW85YXwSNjAMdjvY32eRWp7R4buXC/4jKe4kXRVs2BU u9ouhPeSGmI3YdV+Athepiw6kaJLeRwzY4xZ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:48:04 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XXwZp37uckvav6IS6u1q6DQDp64 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0434c34261c04004b96b6ab4 Resent-Message-ID: <3hJBZB.A.eMB.ZGrQPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:48:25 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0434c34261c04004b96b6ab4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AGGH! Damn Wikipedia and its smarmy pedants!! Can't a man over-expound with exaggerated largesse to make a point.. (psst actully I dont know that... thx Dennis) On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Dennis Moser wrot= e: > 8-) =85 nothing further need be said. > > (Oh, it's "Andy Goldsworthy" and he's an OBE. He does share his work > in more conventional means, too, besides the photographs of his less > logistically-challenging ones! > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Goldsworthy) > > Best, > > Dennis > > > --f46d0434c34261c04004b96b6ab4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AGGH! Damn Wikipedia and its smarmy pedants!! Can't a man over-expound = with exaggerated largesse to make a point..

(psst actully I dont kno= w that... thx Dennis)

On Mon, Feb 20, 20= 12 at 9:37 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
8-) =85 nothing further need be said.

(Oh, it's "Andy Goldsworthy" and he's an OBE. He does sha= re his work
in more conventional means, too, besides the photographs of his less
logistically-challenging ones!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Goldsworthy)

Best,

Dennis


--f46d0434c34261c04004b96b6ab4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 20:55:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A608D183473; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.52.70.167 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.70.167; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.52.70.167 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vuhU5NB6H9DMk1IaOeuzvOn/gu7tgcwvoPl5EHgrSyI=; b=g+O6ByibjLApzG5sv677KiFwEfMcoRXHaiiV6j6bgnlOPmvLxfKqXqNAWUavh/UyuK OaF7ni7vnHbHOjrsGK6O911IQYnanI6z8AWFRPpuPEKu0QKVkBl6TMBt+YngqJ1neD+Z 0D3U2tR1xDjPnQAde8XTDgUoDz5DVrOi7Iwjg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:55:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50164e355d03204b96b8439 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:55:40 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec50164e355d03204b96b8439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark I absolutely love your post! Particularly there is 'lucrative art and non-lucrative art' among other gems of wisdom in your writing or mere crazy from the heat! :) Jim On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > My god you people have got it all lop-sided! > > I saw this "violinist in the subway" link months ago, (it seems to be a > re-emerging meme) I couldnt see what the fuss was all about. The piece wa= s > obviously written from a " Oh what has the world come to??" second rate r= ag > standpoint. (like the biggest selling newspaper here in Norway, one day i= ts > "Posh Spice in fat ass shock" the next its "Rape wave in Norway" the next > its "Norway best place in the world.. Official!" ) UGH! > > I couldn't help but see this from 2 points of view... > > 1. Violin? Who knows or likes anything about a violin? I mean their nice > and 'all, but if J Zee or whatever his name is, had been rapping in the > metro.. now THAT might have stopped a few folk, the 10,000 people who all > paid for a ticket to see him, well they KNEW all about him didnt they...? > The level of street performers is generally excellent, if you go to Coven= t > Garden in London or Pompideu center in Paris (and occasionally in Egertog= et > in Oslo), you will see many many world class musicians and performers. (W= hy > are there no knife jugglers performing at Carnegie Hall is what I would > like to know!) Generally the level of Art we see all around us is very ve= ry > very high! And frankely I wouldnt be sure that Joshua Bell is anywhere ne= ar > as talented as the one string blues guitarist drunk guy that lives under = a > bridge near me.. (yes in Norway at -11 degrees). > In England we say "its Horses for Courses" I've never know quite why we > say it, but we say it at moments like this. > > 2.Art? OMG... Do I have to explain art now? > OK, for the last time... there is no such thing as good Art and Bad Art..= . > there is just lucrative art and non-lucrative Art. > Now there ARE talented painters and genius film-makers, and oh so > wonderful wonderful musicians, but the Art that they make.. is > subjective... thats not the same thing as context. Context suggests that, > placed in the right time at the right place, a "Good bit of Art" will be > heralded rightly as " a good bit of Art". That some how "truth will out!" > That is unfortunately not so. > There are many many many many more GREAT artists, than ever become known > as such. And the reason for that, is that there exists a business called > "The Art Business" that likes it that way. If everyone was equally famous= , > then there would be no "supply and demand" for the Art dealers to trade > their commodities in. Dont worry, Im NOT slamming them, I love Art > galleries, I'm lazy, I LIKE to be told what is selling at the moment, it = is > after all... interesting. and I often see things I LOVE... I LOVE Gilbert > and George, I love Joseph Beuys, I love Frida Kahlo. It great to be told > that Joshua Ball is a great violinist, I didnt know that, now I do! And a= s > someone mentioned correctly earlier in this thread, I wouldnt KNOW he was > great, if he hit me over the head with his Strad... Well actually then I > might take note... > Back to context. Artists, especially conceptual artists have been > investigating this very idea / problem, whatever it is, for decades. Karl > Andre made huge headlines in Britain because the Tate Gallery bought his > "pile of bricks". He was playing with exactly that, what is Art, are bric= ks > Art on a building site?, what if we put them in a gallery? Is it Art now? > Also... Goldsworthy (sorry forgot name, could google but on a roll, you d= o > it...) Yes Goldsworthy, he walks off into the wilderness, and makes > beautiful arrangements of stones, in strange circles, or sews leaves > together in complex tapestries, or builds tentative teetering Ice arches, > NO ONE will EVER see them, but him.. except... wait for it... wait for > it... He photographs them, and publishes them in very expensive coffee > table books. Again.. whats the Art? The 500 living yellow ladybirds he ha= s > collected and arranged in a perfect square, for a few seconds, OR the > photograph? > > I have been to rock concerts where I have been so bored, I felt like I wa= s > walking past, and then again, Ive heard interesting pinging noises on > telphone wires and stopped to listen for a while, if they had hats, I'd p= ut > money in! > > There is Art and music around us all the time, beauty and wonder in every > blink of the eye, I don't think there's much to be surprised about, if we > walk past some of it.. do you? > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --bcaec50164e355d03204b96b8439 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark I absolutely love your post! =A0Particularly there is 'lucrative a= rt and non-lucrative art' among other gems of wisdom in your writing or= mere crazy from the heat! :)

Jim

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:
My god you people have got it all lop-sided!

I saw this "violin= ist in the subway" link months ago, (it seems to be a re-emerging meme= ) I couldnt see what the fuss was all about. The piece was obviously writte= n from a " Oh what has the world come to??" second rate rag stand= point. (like the biggest selling newspaper here in Norway, one day its &quo= t;Posh Spice in fat ass shock" the next its "Rape wave in Norway&= quot; the next its "Norway best place in the world.. Official!" )= UGH!

I couldn't help but see this from 2 points of view...

1. Vi= olin? Who knows or likes anything about a violin? I mean their nice and = 9;all, but if J Zee or whatever his name is, had been rapping in the metro.= . now THAT might have stopped a few folk, the 10,000 people who all paid fo= r a ticket to see him, well they KNEW all about him didnt they...?
The level of street performers is generally excellent, if you go to Covent = Garden in London or Pompideu center in Paris (and occasionally in Egertoget= in Oslo), you will see many many world class musicians and performers. (Wh= y are there no knife jugglers performing at Carnegie Hall is what I would l= ike to know!) Generally the level of Art we see all around us is very very = very high! And frankely I wouldnt be sure that Joshua Bell is anywhere near= as talented as the one string blues guitarist drunk guy that lives under a= bridge near me.. (yes in Norway at -11 degrees).
In England we say "its Horses for Courses" I've never know qu= ite why we say it, but we say it at moments like this.

2.Art? OMG...= Do I have to explain art now?
OK, for the last time... there is no such= thing as good Art and Bad Art... there is just lucrative art and non-lucra= tive Art.
Now there ARE talented painters and genius film-makers, and oh so wonderful= wonderful musicians,=A0 but the Art that they make.. is subjective... that= s not the same thing as context. Context suggests that, placed in the right= time at the right place, a "Good bit of Art" will be heralded ri= ghtly as " a good bit of Art". That some how "truth will out= !"
That is unfortunately not so.
There are many many many many more GREAT a= rtists, than ever become known as such. And the reason for that, is that th= ere exists a business called "The Art Business" that likes it tha= t way. If everyone was equally famous, then there would be no "supply = and demand" for the Art dealers to trade their commodities in. Dont wo= rry, Im NOT slamming them, I love Art galleries, I'm lazy, I LIKE to be= told what is selling at the moment, it is after all... interesting. and I = often see things I LOVE... I LOVE Gilbert and George, I love Joseph Beuys, = I love Frida Kahlo. It great to be told that Joshua Ball is a great violini= st, I didnt know that, now I do! And as someone mentioned correctly earlier= in this thread, I wouldnt KNOW he was great, if he hit me over the head wi= th his Strad... Well actually then I might take note...
Back to context. Artists, especially conceptual artists have been investiga= ting this very idea / problem, whatever it is, for decades. Karl Andre made= huge headlines in Britain because the Tate Gallery bought his "pile o= f bricks". He was playing with exactly that, what is Art, are bricks A= rt on a building site?, what if we put them in a gallery? Is it Art now? Al= so... Goldsworthy (sorry forgot name, could google but on a roll, you do it= ...) Yes Goldsworthy, he walks off into the wilderness, and makes beautiful= arrangements of stones, in strange circles, or sews leaves together in com= plex tapestries, or builds tentative teetering Ice arches, NO ONE will EVER= see them, but him.. except... wait for it... wait for it... He photographs= them, and publishes them in very expensive coffee table books. Again.. wha= ts the Art? The 500 living yellow ladybirds he has collected and arranged i= n a perfect square, for a few seconds, OR the photograph?

I have been to rock concerts where I have been so bored, I felt like I = was walking past, and then again, Ive heard interesting pinging noises on t= elphone wires and stopped to listen for a while, if they had hats, I'd = put money in!

There is Art and music around us all the time, beauty and wonder in eve= ry blink of the eye, I don't think there's much to be surprised abo= ut, if we walk past some of it.. do you?


--
Mark Francombe
= www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/




--
--=A0
Tips Across the Water= s, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--bcaec50164e355d03204b96b8439-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 21:54:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC825183463; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:54:19 UTC From: "BC" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: hEADLESS gIT hOP (your looper can't do THIS.. well Per can...(new music) (elektron Octatrack) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:46:11 -0500 Message-ID: <004001ccf019$0fa1c390$2ee54ab0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CCEFEF.26D55880" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIX6TuULTOcdknRz1yTPCTluhg1NpWwX11Q Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120123-1, 01/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:54:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CCEFEF.26D55880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice. Has a very gratifying texture to it. Brian From: Anders Bergdahl [mailto:anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:50 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: hEADLESS gIT hOP (your looper can't do THIS.. well Per can...(new music) (elektron Octatrack) I decided to try something new.. and different.. so I set up the Elektron to produce rhytmic "stuff", i muted the "live" guitar and played random things i G-ish.. sampled the "stuff" and looped it.. So this is a lot more rhythmic than usual BUT all rhytms are from guitar being sampled, sequenced, looped, resampled... and looped.. Rather crazy, diffrent but fun.. please listen http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/headlessgithop One take, all live no overdubs only fading in added after recording so that you wont have to hear a minute of getting da beat going.. Perhaps you don't WANT your looped to do this kind of stuff.... ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CCEFEF.26D55880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice. Has a very gratifying texture to it.

 

Brian

 

From:= = Anders Bergdahl [mailto:anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com]
Sent: = Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:50 PM
To: Loopers = Delight
Subject: hEADLESS gIT hOP (your looper can't do THIS.. = well Per can...(new music) (elektron = Octatrack)

 

I decided = to try something new.. and different.. so I set up the Elektron to = produce rhytmic "stuff", i muted the "live" guitar = and played random things i G-ish.. sampled the "stuff" and = looped it..

 <= /o:p>

So this is = a lot more rhythmic than usual BUT all rhytms are from guitar being = sampled, sequenced, looped, resampled... and = looped.. 

Rather = crazy, diffrent but fun.. please = listen

 <= /o:p>

=

 <= /o:p>

One take, = all live no overdubs only fading in added after recording so that you = wont have to hear a minute of getting da beat = going..

 <= /o:p>

Perhaps you = don't WANT your looped to do this kind of = stuff....

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CCEFEF.26D55880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 22:22:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C81183475; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: In-reply-to: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:54:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9TvqzC.A.HiC.CfsQPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Interesting thread -- wish I had time to read it all in detail, but I've got art to do-:) In response to the subject line (as opposed to the story) I offer this link to a photo essay entitled "Ugly Beauty" (after a tune by Thelonious Monk) http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157627050182543 In response to the story, I offer a number of thoughts: 1. Not everybody has developed a taste for Bach. 2. When I visit New York, I frequently encounter buskers in the (much louder than the metro) NY subways. The sonic context is of great importance here. Delicate sounds can be so overwhelmed by the ambient noise as to be annoying. A cheap amp can turn most anything to crap.African Drums (which I would enjoy in another context) sound very unpleasant in a hyper-reverberant space like Times Square. Boring pop song covers are simply annoying. Occasionally I encounter a jazz soloist of some merit or a soloist on an intriguing ethnic instrument and I listen with pleasure until my train comes and toss a buck in the hat. Rick, I'm (pun intended) waiting for you to drop the promised other shoe. At 10:17 PM -0800 2/19/12, Rick Walker wrote: >We've had so many thought provoking discussions here at Loopers Delight (one >of the nicest runs in this site's history) lately, about philosophy. > >Tonight. in an introspective mood, I saw two things posted to Facebook: > >I'll repost one here and one in the next email because they concern >diffrerent topics. >I found one depressing and one inspiring but they both inspired meditation. > >Firstly: > >A man sat at a metro stationin Washington DC and started to play the >violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for >about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was >calculated that 1,100 people went through the station, most of them >on their way to work. > >Three minutes went by, and a middle aged man noticed there was >musician playing. He slowed his pace, and stopped for a few seconds, >and then hurried up to meet his schedule. > >A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman >threw the money in the till and without stopping, and continued to >walk. > >A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to >him, but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. >Clearly he was late for work. > >The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother >tagged him along, hurried, but the kid stopped to look at the >violinist. Finally, the mother pushed hard, and the child continued >to walk, turning his head all the time. This action was repeated by >several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced >them to move on. > >In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and >stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money, but continued to walk >their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and >silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was >there any recognition. > >No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most >talented musicians in the world. He had just played one of the most >intricate pieces ever written, on a violin worth $3.5 million >dollars. > >Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a >theater in Boston where the seats averaged $100. > >This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro >station was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social >experiment about perception, taste, and priorities of people. The >outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate >hour: Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we >recognize the talent in an unexpected context? > >One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be: > >If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best >musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many >other things are we missing? -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 22:36:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EA48183464; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.114.222 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.114.222; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.114.222 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=akd7RTSTZTebjqWkxY48QVmSaFFzUXBrGcFe2DxWMG0=; b=lSrIDmOb/sjOMIy8qa0dAmm54bgTtAfw8SV4I5TntkzfJITBbP/7qUoS75Qa/YV9ZZ ZZdsaziZCTBvpW7AYlSZuls+kpdXwlVChqGTlUiZd3MJPD1ZY29pocoRcTkrpyQkxze1 Dg43xbwKI/HUuk2lIMBlSZO33Rf7ElDPi9DpM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:36:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (Pssst, Mark =97 I'm a freaking librarian! And Andy's one of both my favorite and my wife's favorite artists!) http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:48 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > AGGH! Damn Wikipedia and its smarmy pedants!! Can't a man over-expound wi= th > exaggerated largesse to make a point.. > > (psst actully I dont know that... thx Dennis) > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: >> >> 8-) =85 nothing further need be said. >> >> (Oh, it's "Andy Goldsworthy" and he's an OBE. He does share his work >> in more conventional means, too, besides the photographs of his less >> logistically-challenging ones! >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Goldsworthy) >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 00:35:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA10B183479; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.103.168 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.103.168; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.103.168 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=OXyhh6FUvYfm29cVwWns+oCTg/gTTCZYY135iDSBa28=; b=I6huzC2+KSx6qAhAQHAbRMkqaZkzw2FYyEpWvgZr4eUU5eSJAdSoZhdo15CCc+bslm SseJIOqK26Mccwlb/1XSP4RhzzAoy+YP2J1xQjao8SxP6WzZnZlEc4+MFEe0WH5tWuvg 3QbTiQGvnIi2dGxY641pMZhOsHy1S95RuUsEU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:34:42 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EWJoyd0EpnutdA-01kgqxF-QLzw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016a99e9d78204b96e94df Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:35:04 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04016a99e9d78204b96e94df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know much about him.. which I just showed rather well, but I hope my point still stands? That Art exists even without context. I think context, makes a lot of Art work, but as a pretty staunch Hater of so called public or corporate Art, sometimes it ruins Art too! On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Moser wro= te: > (Pssst, Mark =97 I'm a freaking librarian! And Andy's one of both my > favorite and my wife's favorite artists!) > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:48 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > AGGH! Damn Wikipedia and its smarmy pedants!! Can't a man over-expound > with > > exaggerated largesse to make a point.. > > > > (psst actully I dont know that... thx Dennis) > > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Dennis Moser > > wrote: > >> > >> 8-) =85 nothing further need be said. > >> > >> (Oh, it's "Andy Goldsworthy" and he's an OBE. He does share his work > >> in more conventional means, too, besides the photographs of his less > >> logistically-challenging ones! > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Goldsworthy) > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Dennis > >> > >> > > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04016a99e9d78204b96e94df Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know much a= bout him.. which I just showed rather well, but I hope my point still stand= s? That Art exists even without context. I think context, makes a lot of Ar= t work, but as a pretty staunch Hater of so called public or corporate Art,= sometimes it ruins Art too!

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Mos= er <sinsofm= achaut@gmail.com> wrote:
(Pssst, Mark =97 I'm a freaking librarian! And Andy's one of both m= y
favorite and my wife's favorite artists!)

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/



On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:48 = PM, mark francombe <mark@markf= rancombe.com> wrote:
> AGGH! Damn Wikipedia and its smarmy pedants!! Can't a man over-exp= ound with
> exaggerated largesse to make a point..
>
> (psst actully I dont know that... thx Dennis)
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> 8-) =85 nothing further need be said.
>>
>> (Oh, it's "Andy Goldsworthy" and he's an OBE. He= does share his work
>> in more conventional means, too, besides the photographs of his le= ss
>> logistically-challenging ones!
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Goldsworthy)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d04016a99e9d78204b96e94df-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 00:44:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 499F1183477; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAAPoQk8yaAQq/2dsb2JhbABDsX6CegEBAQMBOAJPC0ZXiBm5HYwvAQEHBgUEAgoCCQEGAwECAQICg14ICQcEAwYCNYI7YwSITpJGjS8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,453,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="226672336" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.4.42] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.4.42 Message-Id: <0E702F3C-47EB-4A61-8299-8EC971059A7C@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:51:15 -0600 References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <55_lYC.A.ADE.3juQPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:44:40 +0000 (UTC) > > That Art exists even without context. How is that logically even possible? Nothing exists without some kind of context within which to place it. I think every example you provided in your earlier post dealt *precisely* with context. The example you gave of the bricks was a case in point. Placed in different contexts, they may (or may not) be art. But there is always a context that has to be considered. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 00:46:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EE3518347A; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEACvoQk8yaAQq/2dsb2JhbABEsgKCewEBBDgCTwtGV79fjC8BAQcGBQQCCgIJAQYDAQIBAgKDXggJBwQDBgI1gjtjBIhOkkaNLw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,453,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="228435386" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.4.42] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.4.42 Message-Id: <01D0A639-2129-40DB-A0F4-5F82841EA83F@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:53:05 -0600 References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <0etJO.A.kJE.jluQPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:46:27 +0000 (UTC) p.s. My point was that the context(s) in which we find ourselves lead us to have certain expectations about what we may encounter. If you go to Carnegie Hall, you're fairly certain you're getting ready to see "art" (whether it's good or bad is another question...."Art is served here".) When you go into the metro station, you're probably not expecting any such thing. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 03:00:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77E5F183486; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.211.131 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.211.131; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.211.131 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=davew@easystreet.net Message-ID: <4F4308E7.3070506@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:00:55 -0800 From: 7stringjazz Reply-To: 7stringjazz@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopergroup Subject: So when is LD going to a standard BBS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlUFw/IKfH6CGZpsD4NvHEThooWoLHrQ/j05cmXWfXs5ECWPw9ThTOnDhTbIGx6xO6ZrGWh Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi people, long time lurker on LD. Lot of great info sharing for the most part. Just wondering when/if LD is going to migrate an online discussion board instead of the mailing list? My mailbox has 10s of 1000s of emails in it! Best, 7 -- http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 04:04:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505A0183475; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:03:48 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: XFest 1012 and very special upcoming performance Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Experimental Film Discussion List Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations Friday night at 119 Gallery in Lowell (my favorite performance space) as part of the 2012 edition of XFest. I'm on for the first five sets Friday evening --The format of the festival is simple and challenging: 20 visiting artists and 40 local artists perform. On Fri and Sat evenings there are 10 half-hour sets with 2 visiting artists and 2 local artists -- I've pasted the full schedule below. Not much can be more special than XFest, but a visual music live performance with four of my favorite amazing wind players sure comes close-:) March 10 at Outpost 186 in Cambridge. Doctor T with "Four Winds Blow" -- four of the best wind players in (or out of) the Boston area Doctor T -- Video mixing (http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld) Neil Leonard -- Reeds Tom Plsek -- Trombone Jim Hobbs -- Alto Sax Forbes Graham -- Trumpet XFest schedule FRIDAY FEBRUARY 24 The first day of XFest. It begins in the evening with 10 1/2hr sets. Visiting artists/performers are grouped with local artists/performers. The process is somewhat random. The general rule is that you play with people you have never played with before. A number of sets include movement and all the sets have live video. 8:00pm Sean Ali - double bass, Brad Henkel - trumpet, Noell Dorsey - voice, keyboard, Stephanie Lak - voice, guitar 8:30pm Dustin Carlson - guitar, Bonnie Kane - reeds, Bill Bacon - drums, Kate Lee - bass 9:00pm Shayna Dulberger - double bass, Valerie Keuhne - cello, Rick Breault - laptop, Curt Newton - drums 9:30pm Ellwood Epps - trumpet, Al Margolis - laptop, Todd Brunel - bass clarinet, Andrea Pensado - laptop 10:00pm Dave Grollman - snare drum, Jeff Young - violin, Michael F Dailey Jr - voice, guitar, drums, Ryan Scott - keyboard 10:30pm Tom Hamilton - electronics, Andy Allen - reeds, Flandrew Fleisenberg - drums, percussion, Junko Simons - cello 11:00pm Emilie Mouchous - electronics, Peter Negroponte - percussion, Arkm Foam - cassettes, Abram Taber - bass, electronics 11:30pm Chris Welcome - guitar, Mike Funaiole - analog synth, Frank Turek - reeds, Jules Vasylenko - reeds 12:00am Dave Miller - drums, Ras Moshe - reeds, [open slot], deiX - voice, electronics 12:30am [open slot] Claire Elizabeth Barratt, Joe Burgio, Aisha Cruse, and Betty Wang - movement and Katherine Liberovskaya, David Linton and Dr T - live video SATURDAY FEBRUARY 25 The second and the busiest day of the festival starts with brunch. In the afternoon Jazz & Poetry, a collaboration between musicians and poets with artists drawing and painting live to the words and music. Throughout the festival the gallery presents a special exhibit featuring collages by Joshua Jefferson. Again, the evening features 10 1/2hr sets. In each visiting artist/performers are grouped with local artist/performers. A number of sets include movement and all the sets will have live video. 12:00noon Brunch 2:00pm Rick Breault - laptop, Stephanie Lak - voice, guitar, Walter Wright - drums with Derek Fenner and Ryan Gallagher - reading 2:45pm Shayna Dulberger - bass, Chris Welcome - guitar, Ras Moshe - reeds, Paul Marion and Dave Robinson - reading 3:30pm LMNo: Lucio Megenon - guitar, Steve Norton - reeds 4:15pm Sunshine Soldier: Dustin Carlson - guitar, Brad Henkel - trumpet, Dave Miller - drums 5:00pm a duo: Audrey Chen - voice, cello, Valerie Keuhne - voice, cello Alyshia Lien - live art 6:00pm Potluck Dinner 8:00pm Bonnie Kane - reeds, Marc Bisson - guitar, Lou Cohen - laptop, Joshua Jefferson - reeds 8:30pm Audrey Chen - cello, Dave Miller - drums, Steve Norton - reeds, Dave Seidel - electronics 9:00pm Dustin Carlson - guitar, Emilie Mouchous - electronics, Morgan Evans-Weiler - violin, Crank Sturgeon - himself 9:30pm Sean Ali - double bass, Chris Welcome - guitar, Lou Bunk - ???, Id m Theftable - himself 10:00pm Brad Henkel - trumpet, Al Margolis - laptop, Jed Speare - laptop, Mickey O'Hara - ??? 10:30pm Valerie Keuhne - cello, Andrew Neumann - laptop, electronics, [open slot], [open slot] 11:00pm Tom Hamilton - electronics, [open slot], Erik Brown - electronics, Karen Langlie - cello 11:30pm Elwood Epps - trumpet, Ras Moshe - reeds, Kit Demos - double bass, electronics, Forbes Graham - trumpet, electronics 12:00am Shayna Dulberger - double bass, Lucio Menegon - guitar, Luther Gray - drums, Angela Sawyer - suitcase of acoustic delights 12:30am Dave Grollman - snare drum, [open slot], Kristen Elisabeth - bass, Kevin Frenette - guitar Claire Elizabeth Barratt, Joe Burgio, Aisha Cruse,Teresa 119 Chelmsford St Lowell, MA 01851 8:00 PM http://www.119gallery.org/ My videos, including recordings of some of my performances, can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Culinary note: There is an outstanding Cambodian restaurant next door to the gallery. -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 05:26:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2B8183464; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 05:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mononoawarefilm@gmail.com designates 10.220.153.16 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.220.153.16; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mononoawarefilm@gmail.com designates 10.220.153.16 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mononoawarefilm@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mononoawarefilm@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=62SibHT7RLg51TFQNdgNTHU193B14EBkBgZMLaUTZeg=; b=DAKLy/gZiUfaeOZwzosqyzjW1Vk6tkwkHsF3VaDqBnVDOUEFnrL1QYWB6No6EeFm1j E1kCXrHe7HIiDyYxkE6ZeDfIejcrICQw4/rri1b5tXbf1aG486SvYd0PrlRouNSH430x ddY83oh3YTavnv2jQREIId43H7UqYRx6CCOdw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mononoawarefilm@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:26:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Jd9hxT_pOdWqOss1CScasvcZqo4 Message-ID: Subject: Opportunity for those interested in the moving image. From: MONO NO AWARE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdfe471071f04b972a646 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 05:26:18 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043bdfe471071f04b972a646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good afternoon, In March we'll be offering a series of filmmaking workshops at the Center for Performance Research and Negativland Darkroom. + Alternative Processing Techniques - An adventure into the outer boundaries of film processing. Working with small, five-foot strips of 16mm film, students will conduct a number of experiments designed to explore the full range of creative possibilities in photographic processing. Techniques explored will include: solarizing, extreme push/pull processing, cross-processing, selective development, chemical applications, and custom-made developers. +more + Pro 16mm - Working with an ARRIFLEX M and ARRI S cameras shooting 200 feet of color reversal stock. further their knowledge of 16 mm filmmaking techniques. Shooting with an ARRIFLEX Professional camera outfit, participants will learn camera options, matting techniques, prime lenses, how to load a 400' magazine, focus, run, maintain and operate the ARRIFLEX M/S cameras. +more + Direct Filmmaking - manipulating the film surface to generate moving image - using a variety of direct film-making techniques; painting, scratching, collage, and masking in order to create an experimental film on 16mm. This intensive workshop is designed to introduce, explore and master (on some level) the ability to articulate movement through the tactile gesturings of this beautiful cinematic language. +more + Hand-processing Black and White reversal film & Hand-processing Color Negative film * ALL WORKSHOPS INCLUDE FILM STOCK, DEVELOPING, HD DIGITAL TRANSFER, AND A FREE PREMIERE SCREENING FOR YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS. STARTING AT ONLY $60. BEST DEAL IN NYC.* * * * Read more about each workshop, instructor, view former participant work, and register here: * * * *MONO NO AWARE : WORKSHOPS 2012 * ONLY 10 DAYS LEFT TO REGISTER ! Sponsored By KODAK, PAC-LAB AND DiJiFi Presented By MONO NO AWARE CPR 361 Manhattan Ave - 1 block from the L Graham stop, 3 blocks from the G / L Lorimer stop. Negativland 1717 Troutman St. - Jefferson L train. Please SHARE. Thank you for your time, MONO NO AWARE *WWW.MONONOAWAREFILM.COM* *FILMMAKING WORKSHOPS NOW IN SESSION * *CALL FOR ENTRIES OPENS JUNE 1ST 2012* *SUBMISSION DEADLINE : OCTOBER 31ST 2012* *6TH ANNUAL EXHIBITION : DECEMBER 7-8TH 2012* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This event is sponsored, in part, by the Greater New York Arts Development Fund of the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs, administered by the Brooklyn Arts Council, Inc (BAC) and by the participants of MNA filmmaking workshops. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mono No Aware is a sponsored project of Fractured Atlas, a non-profit arts service organization. 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Good afternoon,

=A0In March we'll be offering a series of filmmaking workshops = at the Center for Performance Research and Negativland Darkroom.=A0

+ =A0Alternative Processing Techniques -=A0An adventure into the outer boundaries of film process= ing. Working with small, five-foot strips of 16mm film, students will condu= ct a number of experiments designed to explore the full range of creative p= ossibilities in photographic processing. Techniques explored will include: = solarizing, extreme push/pull processing, cross-processing, selective devel= opment, chemical applications, and custom-made developers. +more

+ =A0Pro 16mm - Working with an ARRIFLEX M and ARRI S c= ameras shooting 200 feet of color reversal stock.=A0further their knowledge of 16 mm filmmaking techniques. Shooting w= ith an ARRIFLEX Professional camera outfit, participants will learn camera = options, matting techniques, prime lenses, how to load a 400' magazine,= focus, run, maintain and operate the ARRIFLEX M/S cameras. +more

+ =A0Direct Filmmaking - manipulating the film surface = to generate moving image -=A0using a variet= y of direct film-making techniques; painting, scratching, collage, and mask= ing in order to create an experimental film on 16mm. This intensive worksho= p is designed to introduce, explore and master (on some level) the ability = to articulate movement through the tactile gesturings of this beautiful cin= ematic language. +more

+ Hand-processing Black and White reversal film &= =A0Hand-processing Color Negative film=A0

=A0AL= L WORKSHOPS INCLUDE FILM STOCK, DEVELOPING, HD DIGITAL TRANSFER, AND A FREE= PREMIERE SCREENING FOR YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS. STARTING AT ONLY $60. =A0BEST= DEAL IN NYC.

=A0Read more about each workshop, instructor,= view former participant work, and register here:=A0

<= /b>

=A0ONLY 10 DAYS LEFT TO REGISTER !

=
=A0Sponsored By KODAK, PAC-LAB AND DiJiFi=A0
=A0Presented By= MONO NO AWARE=A0

=A0CPR 361 Manhattan Ave - 1 blo= ck from the L Graham stop, 3 blocks from the G / L Lorimer stop.
=A0Negativland 1717 Troutman St. - Jefferson L train.=A0
=A0=
Please SHARE.=A0=A0Thank you for your time,=A0
=A0
=A0MONO NO AWARE=A0
CALL FOR ENTRIES OPENS JUNE 1ST 2012
SUBMISSION = DEADLINE : OCTOBER 31ST 2012
6TH ANNUAL EXHIBITION : DECEMBER 7= -8TH 2012
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = - - - -=A0
This event is sponso= red, in part, by the Greater New York Arts=A0
Development Fund of the New York Cit= y Department of Cultural=A0
Affairs, administered by the Brooklyn Arts Council, Inc (BAC)=A0=
and by the participants of MNA filmm= aking workshops.=A0
- - = - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -= - - - - - - - - - - -
Mono No Aware is a sponsored project= of Fractured Atlas, a=A0
non-profit arts service organization. Contributions for the purposes=A0
of Mono No Aware must be made payabl= e to Fractured Atlas and=A0
are tax-deductible to the extent permitted by law.=A0
= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


--f46d043bdfe471071f04b972a646-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 05:42:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B87AE183478; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 05:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.241.39 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.241.39; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.241.39 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=davew@easystreet.net Message-ID: <4F432ECA.3070505@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:42:34 -0800 From: 7stringjazz Reply-To: 7stringjazz@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopergroup Subject: Re: So when is LD going to a standard BBS? References: <4F4308E7.3070506@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080406060500030700040009" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnSNJG/ZBySnMTQw3O0hvy7KfbgOQECaS3o5lxYH5DGCd/teJ3KCK3fBahtvh292J4HlCpp Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 05:42:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080406060500030700040009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes an interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;) On 2/20/2012 8:51 PM, Jeffrey Collins wrote: > if it ain't broke don't fix it. > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:00 PM, 7stringjazz > wrote: > > Hi people, long time lurker on LD. Lot of great info sharing for > the most part. Just wondering when/if LD is going to migrate an > online discussion board instead of the mailing list? My mailbox > has 10s of 1000s of emails in it! Best, 7 > -- > http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz > > -- http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz --------------080406060500030700040009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes  an interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia limited.  I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;)

On 2/20/2012 8:51 PM, Jeffrey Collins wrote:
if it ain't broke don't fix it.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:00 PM, 7stringjazz <davew@easystreet.net> wrote:
Hi people, long time lurker on LD. Lot of great info sharing for the most part. Just wondering when/if  LD is going to migrate an online discussion board instead of the mailing list? My mailbox has 10s of 1000s of emails in it! Best, 7
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--------------080406060500030700040009-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 06:01:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7628C183474; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9c929b4d-1c35-4e6a-b92a-0f43baf8fd31_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:01:07 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7A0C385CCAB8408E83ADB6AABAA5A389@your0548c161e1> References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com>,<7A0C385CCAB8408E83ADB6AABAA5A389@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2012 06:01:08.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[3436CB20:01CCF05E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:01:10 +0000 (UTC) --_9c929b4d-1c35-4e6a-b92a-0f43baf8fd31_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I expect after this experience Joshua Bell went right back to his pent= house suite and sent a nice bottle of wine to his agent =3B-)=20 Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: hqr@cox.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Sun=2C 19 Feb 2012 22:55:55 -0800 IIRC=2C there was SOME recognition=97 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhnOPu0_YWhw http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200704040= 1721.html =93As it happens=2C exactly one person recognized Bell=2C and she didn't arrive until near the very end. For Stacy Furukawa=2C a demographer at the Commerce Department=2C there was no doubt. She doesn't k= now much about classical music=2C but she had been in the audience three weeks earlier=2C at Bell's free concert at the Library of Congress. And here he was=2C the internation= al virtuoso=2C sawing away=2C begging for money. She had no idea what the heck= was going on=2C but whatever it was=2C she wasn't about to miss it.=20 Furukawa positioned herself 10 feet away from Bell=2C front row=2C center. She had a huge grin on her face. The grin=2C and Furuk= awa=2C remained planted in that spot until the end.=20 "It was the most astonishing thing I've ever seen in Washington=2C" Furukawa says. "Joshua Bell was standing there playing at rush hour=2C and people were not stopping=2C and not even looking=2C and some were flipping = quarters at him! Quarters! I wouldn't do that to anybody. I was thinking=2C Omigosh= =2C what kind of a city do I live in that this could happen?"=20 When it was over=2C Furukawa introduced herself to Bell=2C and tossed in a twenty. Not counting that -- it was tainted by recognition -- the final hau= l for his 43 minutes of playing was $32.17. Yes=2C some people gave pennies.= =94 =20 = --_9c929b4d-1c35-4e6a-b92a-0f43baf8fd31_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well I expect after this experience Joshua Bell went right back to his pent= house suite and sent a nice bottle of wine to his agent =3B-)
 =3B<= br>
Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: hqr@cox.net
To: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Do We Perceive Beauty in a= n Unexpected Context
Date: Sun=2C 19 Feb 2012 22:55:55 -0800

IIRC=2C there was SOME recognition= =97

http:/= /www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhnOPu0_YWhw

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/cont= ent/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html

=93As it happens=2C exactly one person recognized Bell=2C and she didn't arrive until near the very end. For Stacy Furukawa=2C a demographer at the Commerce Department=2C there was no doubt. She doesn't k= now much about classical music=2C but she had been in the audience three weeks earlier=2C at Bell's free concert at the Library of Congress. And here he was=2C the internation= al virtuoso=2C sawing away=2C begging for money. She had no idea what the heck= was going on=2C but whatever it was=2C she wasn't about to miss it.

Furukawa positioned herself 10 feet away from Bell=2C front row=2C center. She had a huge grin on her face. The grin=2C and Furuk= awa=2C remained planted in that spot until the end.

"It was the most astonishing thing I've ever = seen in Washington=2C" Furukawa says. "Joshua Bell was standing there playing at rush hour=2C and people were not stopping=2C and not even looking=2C and some were flipping = quarters at him! Quarters! I wouldn't do that to anybody. I was thinking=2C Omigosh=2C what kind of a city do I live in th= at this could happen?"

When it was over=2C Furukawa introduced herse= lf to Bell=2C and tossed in a twenty. Not counting that -- it was tainted by recognition -- the final hau= l for his 43 minutes of playing was $32.17. Yes=2C some people gave pennies.= =94

 = =3B

= --_9c929b4d-1c35-4e6a-b92a-0f43baf8fd31_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 06:10:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3F63183478; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.127.136 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.127.136; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.127.136 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=CEuIKAGJ/nBjLm9QYUfQ448awJr4HtwXIA3zfjvbPvs=; b=U4NOEmOmKiSL+jnmcCtZrw5nQuvvWRtw7LQO5mAkGHNsPHshmkPejqQergU8VQwooT DncwcaQEjiWTKmp9ufmBhl1aThv5OQRboQs+Pf10MbPaCFZ5vpYNkbL45sxk4+4vh/r+ pwJnu8zTtTU4w7O5R7cJGAdvvtiaY+8r6x6LQ= References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:10:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1169103713630978541@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Opportunity for those interested in the moving image. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c5f83a2680f04b97343b4 Resent-Message-ID: <12PFvC.A.5CH.HVzQPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:10:15 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c5f83a2680f04b97343b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i dont know why this was posted to LD ( doesnt both me vits a bit OT) but its pleasantly nostalgic for me, as its bascally the curiculum of MY education! Do they need a teacher? mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 21 Feb 2012, at 06:26, MONO NO AWARE wrote: Good afternoon, In March we'll be offering a series of filmmaking workshops at the Center for Performance Research and Negativland Darkroom. + Alternative Processing Techniques - An adventure into the outer boundaries of film processing. Working with small, five-foot strips of 16mm film, students will conduct a number of experiments designed to explore the full range of creative possibilities in photographic processing. Techniques explored will include: solarizing, extreme push/pull processing, cross-processing, selective development, chemical applications, and custom-made developers. +more + Pro 16mm - Working with an ARRIFLEX M and ARRI S cameras shooting 200 feet of color reversal stock. further their knowledge of 16 mm filmmaking techniques. Shooting with an ARRIFLEX Professional camera outfit, participants will learn camera options, matting techniques, prime lenses, how to load a 400' magazine, focus, run, maintain and operate the ARRIFLEX M/S cameras. +more + Direct Filmmaking - manipulating the film surface to generate moving image - using a variety of direct film-making techniques; painting, scratching, collage, and masking in order to create an experimental film on 16mm. This intensive workshop is designed to introduce, explore and master (on some level) the ability to articulate movement through the tactile gesturings of this beautiful cinematic language. +more + Hand-processing Black and White reversal film & Hand-processing Color Negative film * ALL WORKSHOPS INCLUDE FILM STOCK, DEVELOPING, HD DIGITAL TRANSFER, AND A FREE PREMIERE SCREENING FOR YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS. STARTING AT ONLY $60. BEST DEAL IN NYC.* * * * Read more about each workshop, instructor, view former participant work, and register here: * * * *MONO NO AWARE : WORKSHOPS 2012 * ONLY 10 DAYS LEFT TO REGISTER ! Sponsored By KODAK, PAC-LAB AND DiJiFi Presented By MONO NO AWARE CPR 361 Manhattan Ave - 1 block from the L Graham stop, 3 blocks from the G / L Lorimer stop. Negativland 1717 Troutman St. - Jefferson L train. Please SHARE. Thank you for your time, MONO NO AWARE *WWW.MONONOAWAREFILM.COM* *FILMMAKING WORKSHOPS NOW IN SESSION * *CALL FOR ENTRIES OPENS JUNE 1ST 2012* *SUBMISSION DEADLINE : OCTOBER 31ST 2012* *6TH ANNUAL EXHIBITION : DECEMBER 7-8TH 2012* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This event is sponsored, in part, by the Greater New York Arts Development Fund of the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs, administered by the Brooklyn Arts Council, Inc (BAC) and by the participants of MNA filmmaking workshops. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mono No Aware is a sponsored project of Fractured Atlas, a non-profit arts service organization. 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i dont know why this was = posted to LD ( doesnt both me vits a bit OT) but its pleasantly nostalgic f= or me, as its bascally the curiculum of MY education! Do they need a teache= r?

mark

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On 21 Feb 2012, at 06:26, MONO NO AWARE <info@mononoawarefilm.com> wrote:

Good afternoon,

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--f46d042c5f83a2680f04b97343b4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 06:20:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E844F183460; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of looplog@gmail.com designates 10.204.133.207 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.133.207; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of looplog@gmail.com designates 10.204.133.207 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=looplog@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=looplog@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YQa7R+9nPMupIgVbBmFm8sKl//ljiLHFQYD2fvrSS44=; b=lPPR/7aC3yAtuu4WW2ug0OtlVgLadpZ35qaONf7hyn/v8Ed8wl3uKJ7XaZpMQjXE0k sdBrZ/er6SV8H/+4DaDRYP1Ytu+zuvfdo75nEpf+DJFnGoQ9XzXk/p46sxJO86InnmsN peHBXhID54aZcT6JqfT/y1QrKZlu7RuvfUclk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <7A0C385CCAB8408E83ADB6AABAA5A389@your0548c161e1> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:20:53 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context From: michael noble To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:20:54 +0000 (UTC) just in case anyone wants to know, the Joshua Bell story is actually from an article in the Washington Post printed in 2007, for which the writer won a Pulitzer. http://www.pulitzer.org/works/2008-Feature-Writing -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 06:26:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF39B18347A; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of looplog@gmail.com designates 10.204.143.145 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.143.145; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of looplog@gmail.com designates 10.204.143.145 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=looplog@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=looplog@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Hdkj5+2Vp7xWPtWG6fh+UL3VnJtkdHUDb4ZNWgMK2wg=; b=aSf4QEOUtm0+eDzsu2FZX8t4GgXqsrWu1SSOK9Gcz52bBI3ZhDQsCVjq52IHrhBwzM AzcW0JeeRkgckrGYNnuoK2ruUKND0HM48jwvu2vr/7wOSK/mkJuMC+YzuZSAl4uAzaXI DpCgPZbnz9i0ywZbfR3GnIGsakTUV6GPFYt+g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <7A0C385CCAB8408E83ADB6AABAA5A389@your0548c161e1> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:26:03 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context From: michael noble To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:26:05 +0000 (UTC) ah crap, i see someone already pointed that out... If I'm too busy to read all the posts, does that mean I'd be too busy to stop and listen in a subway? On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:20 PM, michael noble wrote: > just in case anyone wants to know, the Joshua Bell story is actually > from an article in the Washington Post printed in 2007, for which the > writer won a Pulitzer. > > http://www.pulitzer.org/works/2008-Feature-Writing > > -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 09:45:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D188183474; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 330 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:45:26 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context From: Matteo Giudici In-Reply-To: <01D0A639-2129-40DB-A0F4-5F82841EA83F@frontier.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:39:52 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87F63119-578E-4A1C-9BB2-E88EF362D98D@alice.it> References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> <01D0A639-2129-40DB-A0F4-5F82841EA83F@frontier.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Yes, but I hope that everyone makes the effort to understand what = listening or looking. (if we have time to do it...) In others words: the context can encourages or hinders an opinion, but = we aren't puppets so we can (and we should) try to develop a personal = opinion. Il giorno 21/feb/2012, alle ore 01.53, Jeff Shirkey ha scritto: > p.s. My point was that the context(s) in which we find ourselves lead = us to have certain expectations about what we may encounter. If you go = to Carnegie Hall, you're fairly certain you're getting ready to see = "art" (whether it's good or bad is another question...."Art is served = here".) When you go into the metro station, you're probably not = expecting any such thing. >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 10:11:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6A6183474; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Matteo Giudici Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-42--675449779 Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:11:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <7A887A51-5349-41E1-9BB2-5C61816C3759@alice.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:11:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-42--675449779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I say that "if everyone was equally famous" we would be in a world where = all is equal: equal innate ability, equal ability to study, equal = ability to penetrate the complexity of life and translate it in music or = painting or..., equal ability to manage themselves, equal ability to see = a new little point of view, equal ability to make a serious journey into = the "search of meaning" etc... I think that all these things are distribuited in many different way and = so there are "artists" and "not artists", "art" and "not art". All that = in a hard complex world that asks us every day the effort to penetrate = what we are looking and listening. Il giorno 20/feb/2012, alle ore 21.55, Jim Goodin ha scritto: >=20 > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM, mark francombe = wrote: > My god you people have got it all lop-sided! >=20 > And the reason for that, is that there exists a business called "The = Art Business" that likes it that way. If everyone was equally famous,=20 --Apple-Mail-42--675449779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I say that "if everyone was equally famous" we would be in a world where all is equal: equal innate ability, equal ability to study, equal ability to penetrate the complexity of life and translate it in music or painting or..., equal ability to manage themselves, equal ability to see a new little point of view, equal ability to make a serious journey into the "search of meaning" etc...
I think that all these things are distribuited in many different way and so there are "artists" and "not artists", "art" and "not art". All that in a hard complex world that asks us every day the effort to penetrate what we are looking and listening.

Il giorno 20/feb/2012, alle ore 21.55, Jim Goodin ha scritto:


On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
My god you people have got it all lop-sided!

 And the reason for that, is that there exists a business called "The Art Business" that likes it that way. If everyone was equally famous, 

--Apple-Mail-42--675449779-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 10:14:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54B53183479; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Matteo Giudici Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-43--675272457 Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:14:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com>,<7A0C385CCAB8408E83ADB6AABAA5A389@your0548c161e1> Message-Id: <8A07F7E7-2143-4AA3-B4C0-85B6FB9318F8@alice.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:14:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-43--675272457 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 :-D Maybe a stock of bottles ;-) Il giorno 21/feb/2012, alle ore 07.01, Gareth Whittock ha scritto: > Well I expect after this experience Joshua Bell went right back to his = penthouse suite and sent a nice bottle of wine to his agent ;-) > =20 >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 > From: hqr@cox.net > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 22:55:55 -0800 >=20 > IIRC, there was SOME recognition=97 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhnOPu0_YWhw > = http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR20070404= 01721.html > =93As it happens, exactly one person recognized Bell, and she didn't = arrive until near the very end. For Stacy Furukawa, a demographer at the = Commerce Department, there was no doubt. She doesn't know much about = classical music, but she had been in the audience three weeks earlier, = at Bell's free concert at the Library of Congress. And here he was, the = international virtuoso, sawing away, begging for money. She had no idea = what the heck was going on, but whatever it was, she wasn't about to = miss it. > Furukawa positioned herself 10 feet away from Bell, front row, center. = She had a huge grin on her face. The grin, and Furukawa, remained = planted in that spot until the end. > "It was the most astonishing thing I've ever seen in Washington," = Furukawa says. "Joshua Bell was standing there playing at rush hour, and = people were not stopping, and not even looking, and some were flipping = quarters at him! Quarters! I wouldn't do that to anybody. I was = thinking, Omigosh, what kind of a city do I live in that this could = happen?" > When it was over, Furukawa introduced herself to Bell, and tossed in a = twenty. Not counting that -- it was tainted by recognition -- the final = haul for his 43 minutes of playing was $32.17. Yes, some people gave = pennies.=94 > =20 --Apple-Mail-43--675272457 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 :-D
Maybe a stock of bottles = ;-)

Il giorno 21/feb/2012, alle ore 07.01, = Gareth Whittock ha scritto:

Well I expect after this experience Joshua Bell went = right back to his penthouse suite and sent a nice bottle of wine to his = agent ;-)
 

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: hqr@cox.net
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: RE: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected = Context
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 22:55:55 -0800

=93As it happens, = exactly one person recognized Bell, and she didn't arrive until near the = very end. For Stacy Furukawa, a demographer at the Commerce Department, = there was no doubt. She doesn't know much about classical music, but she = had been in the audience three weeks earlier, at Bell's free concert at = the Library of Congress. And here he was, the international virtuoso, = sawing away, begging for money. She had no idea what the heck was going = on, but whatever it was, she wasn't about to miss it.
Furukawa = positioned herself 10 feet away from Bell, front row, center. She had a = huge grin on her face. The grin, and Furukawa, remained planted in that = spot until the end.
"It was the = most astonishing thing I've ever seen in Washington," Furukawa says. = "Joshua Bell was standing there playing at rush hour, and people were = not stopping, and not even looking, and some were flipping quarters at = him! Quarters! I wouldn't do that to anybody. I was thinking, Omigosh, what kind of a city do I live in that this could = happen?"
When it was over, Furukawa introduced = herself to Bell, and tossed in a twenty. Not counting that -- it was = tainted by recognition -- the final haul for his 43 minutes of playing = was $32.17. Yes, some people gave pennies.=94

in more conventional means, too, besides the photographs of his less > logistically-challenging ones! > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Goldsworthy) >=20 > Best, >=20 > Dennis >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-44--672718344 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Here another intresting exemple: http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/italys-organic-cathedral-is-made-of-growing-trees.html (Giuliano Mauri - Italy)
(Oh, it's "Andy Goldsworthy" and he's an OBE. He does share his work
in more conventional means, too, besides the photographs of his less
logistically-challenging ones!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Goldsworthy)

Best,

Dennis



--Apple-Mail-44--672718344-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 11:52:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89A74183479; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> <7A887A51-5349-41E1-9BB2-5C61816C3759@alice.it> In-Reply-To: <7A887A51-5349-41E1-9BB2-5C61816C3759@alice.it> Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:52:03 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01CCF08F.3A3F2C70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: <-3vdg.A.6XC.jV4QPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:52:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01CCF08F.3A3F2C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [shudder] Consider the awful opinion made in =E2=80=9CThe = Incredibles=E2=80=9D when the villain claims that he=E2=80=99s out to = provide devices to the public (when he=E2=80=99s really just got a = grudge against super heroes) so =E2=80=9Ceveryone will be = super=E2=80=9D: =E2=80=9CAnd when everyone is super, no one will = be...=E2=80=9D Chilling look at some folks=E2=80=99 desire for a = homogenous, easily controlled and marketed-to populace, that. But a = great metaphor nonetheless. The discussion that non-creatives will NEVER broach is that of what = distinguishes creative people from folks who couldn=E2=80=99t do so if = their lives depended on it. I=E2=80=99m certainly not going to stir = that bowl of stuff. The moment one makes such a distinction, it leads = to an us-vs-them mentality on the part of non-creatives... if that = doesn=E2=80=99t quietly exist already. Have you ever had a long = discussion with an accountant? Some of them insist that their work is = =E2=80=9Ccreative=E2=80=9D, when all they=E2=80=99re good at is finding = holes in existing rules, and exploiting them for their clients. From: Matteo Giudici=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context I say that "if everyone was equally famous" we would be in a world where = all is equal: equal innate ability, equal ability to study, equal = ability to penetrate the complexity of life and translate it in music or = painting or..., equal ability to manage themselves, equal ability to see = a new little point of view, equal ability to make a serious journey into = the "search of meaning" etc...=20 I think that all these things are distribuited in many different way and = so there are "artists" and "not artists", "art" and "not art". All that = in a hard complex world that asks us every day the effort to penetrate = what we are looking and listening. Il giorno 20/feb/2012, alle ore 21.55, Jim Goodin ha scritto: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM, mark francombe = wrote: My god you people have got it all lop-sided! And the reason for that, is that there exists a business called "The = Art Business" that likes it that way. If everyone was equally famous,=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01CCF08F.3A3F2C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
[shudder] Consider the awful opinion made in =E2=80=9CThe = Incredibles=E2=80=9D when the=20 villain claims that he=E2=80=99s out to provide devices to the public = (when he=E2=80=99s really=20 just got a grudge against super heroes) so =E2=80=9Ceveryone will be = super=E2=80=9D: =E2=80=9CAnd when=20 everyone is super, no one will be...=E2=80=9D  Chilling = look at some=20 folks=E2=80=99 desire for a homogenous, easily controlled and = marketed-to populace,=20 that. But a great metaphor nonetheless.
 
The discussion that non-creatives will NEVER broach is that of what = distinguishes creative people from folks who couldn=E2=80=99t do so if = their lives=20 depended on it.  I=E2=80=99m certainly not going to stir that bowl = of stuff. =20 The moment one makes such a distinction, it leads to an us-vs-them = mentality on=20 the part of non-creatives... if that doesn=E2=80=99t quietly exist = already.  Have=20 you ever had a long discussion with an accountant?  Some of them = insist=20 that their work is =E2=80=9Ccreative=E2=80=9D, when all they=E2=80=99re = good at is finding holes in=20 existing rules, and exploiting them for their clients.
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected=20 Context
 
I=20 say that "if everyone was equally famous" we would be in a world where = all is=20 equal: equal innate ability, equal ability to study, equal ability to = penetrate=20 the complexity of life and translate it in music or painting or..., = equal=20 ability to manage themselves, equal ability to see a new little point of = view,=20 equal ability to make a serious journey into the "search of meaning" = etc...=20
I think that all these things are distribuited in many different = way and so=20 there are "artists" and "not artists", "art" and "not art". All that in = a hard=20 complex world that asks us every day the effort to penetrate what we are = looking=20 and listening.
 
Il giorno 20/feb/2012, alle ore 21.55, Jim Goodin ha = scritto:
 
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM, mark = francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=20 wrote:
My god you people have got it all = lop-sided!

And=20 the reason for that, is that there exists a business called "The Art = Business" that likes it that way. If everyone was equally famous,=20
 
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01CCF08F.3A3F2C70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 12:52:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 430CD183477; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F439395.7080105@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:52:37 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020704060609050309050707" Resent-Message-ID: <71OPUD.A.z2C.fO5QPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:52:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020704060609050309050707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/20/12 1:54 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > > Rick, I'm (pun intended) waiting for you to drop the promised other shoe. I lost the damned URL.............and a good friend passed away and I've been preoccupied with his funeral. I'll try to find it. my apologies. rick --------------020704060609050309050707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/20/12 1:54 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote:

Rick, I'm (pun intended) waiting for you to drop the promised other shoe.
I lost the damned URL.............and a good friend passed away and I've been
preoccupied with his funeral.    I'll try to find it.   my apologies.

rick
 --------------020704060609050309050707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 15:48:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DBA1183479; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b8b7e335-aadd-4b24-955a-a8a6cb2047ee_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Re: BBS format Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:48:53 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2012 15:48:52.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FAD2780:01CCF0B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:48:54 +0000 (UTC) --_b8b7e335-aadd-4b24-955a-a8a6cb2047ee_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ditto=2C This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the sa= me subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and the r= est runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard here ve= ry much. Denis=2C Monterey Bay & IA =20 "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys=2C not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes an = interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce= around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith= . Not to mention its multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion= from the peanut gallery. =3B)" = --_b8b7e335-aadd-4b24-955a-a8a6cb2047ee_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ditto=2C This list doesn'=3Bt= word wrap for me and I can'=3Bt respond with the same subject line. Man= y times I only get the first couple sentences and the rest runs several pag= es to the right. It is why my voice isn'=3Bt heard here very much.
De= nis=2C Monterey Bay &=3B IA

"=3BBut it is broke. Its 2012 gu= ys=2C not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes =3B an interactive online rep= ository that does not require every message to bounce around all the users.= Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its m= ultimedia limited. =3B I'=3Bm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the= peanut gallery. =3B)"=3B
= --_b8b7e335-aadd-4b24-955a-a8a6cb2047ee_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 16:02:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF330183479; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.28.169; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=8g2/eQSXlVbKfwwjKlG9Wqp25OIAoW2kDXJBp2N7Sqs=; b=NO5OkJ/2zQCl7oc3Oieyg3qoEZgUhwcr9C0auh9ISrpMuiU40kD8uoe9DuXFTYA7e6 KHflsjGivJCTcRyQER84jIHyhmzzXppA75xOFSedW1lFpXQ+ECnGGkSfknjKL0qMA2CG t3tWx9ZykJ3/QeDkKXzCLDXi63kVpnmE0DYPo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:02:07 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WzTIhEln3582VXQdBlyo88yOIDc Message-ID: Subject: Re: BBS format To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d832961d7c04b97b8939 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:02:28 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d832961d7c04b97b8939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, Why not do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subject. If not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list stays as it is... And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a web browser.. it is 2012 after all... Mark On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top wrote: > Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the > same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and the > rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard here > very much. > Denis, Monterey Bay & IA > > "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes an > interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce > around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. > Not to mention its multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion > from the peanut gallery. ;)" > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d832961d7c04b97b8939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, Why no= t do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subject. I= f not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list sta= ys as it is...
And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a web = browser.. it is 2012 after all...

Mark




On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top <joy_top@hotmail.com>= wrote:
Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I c= an't respond with the same subject line. Many times I only get the firs= t couple sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why = my voice isn't heard here very much.
Denis, Monterey Bay & IA

"But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, = not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes=A0 an interactive online repository tha= t does not require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just g= rossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia l= imited.=A0 I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;= )"



--
Mark Francom= be
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec554d832961d7c04b97b8939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 16:23:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38056183478; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3617 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:23:07 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-21_05:2012-02-21,2012-02-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=41 spamscore=41 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202210129 From: Phil Subject: Doesn't anyone want to bring this site up to date? Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:22:45 +0900 Message-id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Am I the only one who wishes this site were like a normal forum--like The Gear Page or Gearslutz or the Acoustic Guitar Forum...or just about any other forum I can think of. I am way into looping, and I am constantly floored by the amazing talent that is here, but I always find it so difficult to search for anything on this site. I don't coming home to a mailbox full of messages or having to sift through a digest and track back through threads to find what I want to read. Maybe I'm the one who is just doing everything wrong, but the way I this site is working for me is a total flashback to computer prehistory--like Fortran or MS-DOS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 16:24:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FE44183478; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of moinsound@googlemail.com designates 10.205.135.146 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.205.135.146; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of moinsound@googlemail.com designates 10.205.135.146 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=moinsound@googlemail.com; dkim=pass header.i=moinsound@googlemail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bUSeJKAA5Ndv7Q0Q7L9KKt8g/fBvgiueFn2fpzX9k4I=; b=XYn2LLFubXR5cl8GlRP/okp1z2YWt9jr+Qkqv3aFFU9aEh0+5hFbllCLN2yyBzHhqj GMK5iAAqvxGlBUMBwH2lYPtyH+33r8Wk1FShYi2dyX5cTdznNkjSuBNHOTJ8sZgF+qUt nic/Ier7vHEWVIJ255rQKpTk7fvzQ2joaXrf0= Message-ID: <4F43C550.1050804@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:24:48 +0100 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doesn't anyone want to bring this site up to date? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <43G_LD.A.mIF.RV8QPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:24:49 +0000 (UTC) > Maybe I'm the one who is just doing everything wrong, but the way I this site is working for me is a total flashback to computer prehistory--like Fortran or MS-DOS What's your problem with Fortran? I like Fortran, and I like this list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 16:55:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EC95183474; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.220.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.220.196; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.220.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=davew@easystreet.net Message-ID: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 08:55:02 -0800 From: 7stringjazz Reply-To: 7stringjazz@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BBS format References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030301040707090808010002" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQntAHY+9TrTi3iiwEXOnAEgw3j3JkEhppZTV4rWKw09wtWmM8MU0xxUaQ/rHIH6auAgM/3U Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:55:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030301040707090808010002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Old ideas die hard. Ok I get it. Sorry to interrupt the currently scheduled program. Ironic though that loopers, who tend to be on average more tech savvy, cling to carving thoughts about MUSIC and MUSIC MAKING, on parchment paper. -7 On 2/21/2012 8:02 AM, mark francombe wrote: > FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, > Why not do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this > subject. If not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But > the LD list stays as it is... > And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a > web browser.. it is 2012 after all... > > Mark > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top > wrote: > > Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with > the same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple > sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why > my voice isn't heard here very much. > Denis, Monterey Bay & IA > > "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS > establishes an interactive online repository that does not > require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just > grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its > multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the > peanut gallery. ;)" > > > > > -- > /_Mark Francombe_/ > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > -- http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz --------------030301040707090808010002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Old ideas die hard. Ok I get it. Sorry to interrupt the currently scheduled program. Ironic though that loopers, who tend to be on average more tech savvy, cling to carving thoughts about MUSIC and MUSIC MAKING, on parchment paper. -7

On 2/21/2012 8:02 AM, mark francombe wrote:
FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, Why not do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subject. If not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list stays as it is...
And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a web browser.. it is 2012 after all...

Mark




On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard here very much.
Denis, Monterey Bay & IA

"But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes  an interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia limited.  I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;)"



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/



--
http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz
--------------030301040707090808010002-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:00:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4CE3183478; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.50.36.230 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.36.230; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.50.36.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2DFSFv+1xQ1MwB3wb657UcMvu8gB9hEJucQAid5ntX4=; b=FENkwdNqKprmRCgvCLZ4ubQNK4SAtJpdybzhGltjMs3XnKTyP649wAf8jsu+vCTz/Q z2Z/BYMpIasKbulsexoaEc7a4njSaEijOGOYYWxZt/v3Y1HeF3es0xoKw7iS9psbXdDs 24WrS2wHjPUWGNfyDXmxukKFUDEgza07N2Wyk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> References: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:00:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BBS format From: Dennis Moser To: 7stringjazz@gmail.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:00:56 +0000 (UTC) The point isn't to change this list; it's to use all the means available =97 hie thee to the two FaceBork pages and the Soundcloud pages. Alternative means coexist ... And "parchment" paper is just paper; perhaps you mean they use goose quill on sheep parchment? 8-) Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:55 AM, 7stringjazz wrote: > Old ideas die hard. Ok I get it. Sorry to interrupt the currently schedul= ed > program. Ironic though that loopers, who tend to be on average more tech > savvy, cling to carving thoughts about MUSIC and MUSIC MAKING, on parchme= nt > paper. -7 > > > On 2/21/2012 8:02 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, Why = not > do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subject. I= f > not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list sta= ys > as it is... > And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a we= b > browser.. it is 2012 after all... > > Mark > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top wrote: >> >> Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the >> same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and = the >> rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard her= e >> very much. >> Denis, Monterey Bay & IA >> >> "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes=A0 = an >> interactive online repository that does not require every message to bou= nce >> around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwi= th. >> Not to mention its multimedia limited.=A0 I'm just sayin. Just a suggest= ion >> from the peanut gallery. ;)" > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > -- > http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:06:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48D8E18347A; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of evanpeewee@gmail.com designates 10.180.93.232 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.93.232; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of evanpeewee@gmail.com designates 10.180.93.232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=evanpeewee@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=evanpeewee@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KdD4bKjyUe8Njfju/ckDAQJSIHJ3rd5zAvKEfi7XJQg=; b=rezTlJfltCfaq6hP5zCd63Xp35iASttz8dsRYsUucoILE+7R5dzRwY+HPhBIhkg87R cGomN3lPy4WhLdsG98vtQACl0e08m3wZW2jFxQwm97i0WXPX7SIUYZIMEZl6ZD78QOX3 NmCihvgskku4igLboDGGgahXOdPTgQQeRa1i0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:06:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context (art/context) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043892778f878304b97c6fbb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:06:48 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043892778f878304b97c6fbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 from mark's original post, i would say "it appears that we went to grad school together and never saw each other". ha! re-his post below-art cannot exist w/o a context (generally). there maybe one person who changed this just a bit in the 20th century when talking about goldsworthy (who i never loved, but i had a friend in grad school who loved his work). the person who changed it all (and some say RUINED art) is: Marcel Duchamp. he was the person who said that "art is anything an artist says it is" & "an artist is anyone who calls him/herself one". -the example of the 1st premise-is his "Fountain", what he called a readymade-the idea that an artist can choose any readymade/premade object (something that can be manufactured) and call it art. of course the big part of this was that he (Duchamp) was a trained artist (he was a pretty good painter), did the naming, entered the work to be exhibited, it was rejected, and of course being rejected became more famous. -his 2nd premise was "anyone can call themselves an artist", of course this one gets a bit blown out of proportion. of course you don't have to go to school to be an artist (which some think) or you don't have to study w/ a master (which is the old school Renaissance model), but the thing that folks forget was DUCHAMP was a pretty major artist in the 2D mode who moved into new realms and really changed things in the 20th century (it's been argued that he was more important than Picasso-of course some say he was a hack) what Goldsworthy is coming out of is all DUCHAMP! as is most conceptual art (and all types that come out of conceptual art: site specific, earthworks, etc). goldsworthy going out into the forest and sewing leaves, he's an artist, and he's calling that "his art". (as opposed to painting, drawing, sculpture...) then what he does-instead of taking the actual objects (leaves of course would eventually degrade) is photograph it. most conceptual art is photo based or document based, since the idea is more important than the actual object.... and for Goldsworthy-it's hard to sell sewn leaves, but photos of sown leaves, he can make a limited # of photo prints, sign them, and "instant-sellable art!" (yes, his name is big in the conceptual world) so to finalize: you cannot have "Art" w/o a context.... fun discussion. s--- re: - *From*: *mark francombe * - *Subject*: *Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context* - *Date*: *Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:34:42 +0100* ------------------------------ Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know much about him.. which I just showed rather well, but I hope my point still stands? That Art exists even without context. I think context, makes a lot of Art work, but as a pretty staunch Hater of so called public or corporate Art, sometimes it ruins Art too! --f46d043892778f878304b97c6fbb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable from mark's original post, i would say "it appears that we went to= grad school together and never saw each other". ha!

re-his pos= t below-art cannot exist w/o a context (generally). there maybe one person = who changed this just a bit in the 20th century when talking about goldswor= thy (who i never loved, but i had a friend in grad school who loved his wor= k).
the person who changed it all (and some say RUINED art) is: Marcel Duchamp.= he was the person who said that "art is anything an artist says it is= " & "an artist is anyone who calls him/herself one".
-the example of the 1st premise-is his "Fountain", what he called= a readymade-the idea that an artist can choose any readymade/premade objec= t (something that can be manufactured) and call it art. of course the big p= art of this was that he (Duchamp)
was a trained artist (he was a pretty good painter), did the naming, entere= d the work to be exhibited, it was rejected, and of course being rejected b= ecame more famous.
-his 2nd premise was "anyone can call themselves= an artist", of course this one gets a bit blown out of proportion. of= course you don't have to go to school to be an artist (which some thin= k) or you don't have to study w/ a master (which is the old school Rena= issance
model), but the thing that folks forget was DUCHAMP was a pretty major arti= st in the 2D mode who moved into new realms and really changed things in th= e 20th century (it's been argued that he was more important than Picass= o-of course some say he was a hack)

what Goldsworthy is coming out of is all DUCHAMP! as is most conceptual= art (and all types that come out of conceptual art: site specific, earthwo= rks, etc). goldsworthy going out into the forest and sewing leaves, he'= s an artist, and he's calling that "his art". (as opposed to = painting, drawing, sculpture...) then what he does-instead of taking the ac= tual objects (leaves of course would eventually degrade) is photograph it. = most conceptual art is photo based or document based, since the idea is mor= e important than the actual object....
and for Goldsworthy-it's hard to sell sewn leaves, but photos of sown l= eaves, he can make a limited # of photo prints, sign them, and "instan= t-sellable art!" (yes, his name is big in the conceptual world)

so to finalize: you cannot have "Art" w/o a context....
fu= n discussion.
s---




re:
  • From: mark francombe <= mark@markfrancombe.com>
  • Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexp= ected Context
  • Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2= 012 01:34:42 +0100
Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know=20 much about him.. which I just showed rather well, but I hope my point=20 still stands? That Art exists even without context. I think context,=20 makes a lot of Art work, but as a pretty staunch Hater of so called=20 public or corporate Art, sometimes it ruins Art too!
--f46d043892778f878304b97c6fbb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:07:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67900183475; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lindsey.walker@gmail.com designates 10.68.243.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.243.197; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lindsey.walker@gmail.com designates 10.68.243.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lindsey.walker@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=lindsey.walker@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=5I0qhbXT3riv+p7xzPG9xa+uS6fANcuKDDB8XvzfdS8=; b=hhMbcWDrYxpEMMjuw39Hd152pioe05LXzYGMpX9fWEtx9LtiT4goMdIqGxwz4YaM1c GyxrfR5TBh+h8nAbSwqJCSQ22ZyExrNIe/VE79RM4YSLdoJDo8EFTCCJ3M/zcHUKevCd BkoZkGr8ihh40BA6G7R6+2PO1OWOOIHZrWCeo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> References: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:07:32 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BBS format From: Lindsey Walker Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2452b5eaa0904b97c7291 Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:07:33 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff2452b5eaa0904b97c7291 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You could start insulting people... or you stop complaining and build the thing you want to see in use. That's what anyone else here would do. Lindsey On Feb 21, 2012 8:55 AM, "7stringjazz" wrote: > Old ideas die hard. Ok I get it. Sorry to interrupt the currently > scheduled program. Ironic though that loopers, who tend to be on average > more tech savvy, cling to carving thoughts about MUSIC and MUSIC MAKING, on > parchment paper. -7 > > On 2/21/2012 8:02 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, Why > not do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subject. > If not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list > stays as it is... > And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a web > browser.. it is 2012 after all... > > Mark > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top wrote: > >> Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the >> same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and the >> rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard here >> very much. >> Denis, Monterey Bay & IA >> >> "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes an >> interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce >> around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. >> Not to mention its multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion >> from the peanut gallery. ;)" >> > > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > -- > http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz > --e89a8ff2452b5eaa0904b97c7291 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You could start insulting people... or you stop complaining and build th= e thing you want to see in use.=A0 That's what anyone else here would d= o.

Lindsey

On Feb 21, 2012 8:55 AM, "7stringjazz"= <davew@easystreet.net> w= rote:
=20 =20 =20
Old ideas die hard. Ok I get it. Sorry to interrupt the currently scheduled program. Ironic though that loopers, who tend to be on average more tech savvy, cling to carving thoughts about MUSIC and MUSIC MAKING, on parchment paper. -7

On 2/21/2012 8:02 AM, mark francombe wrote:
FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, Why not do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subject. If not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list stays as it is...
And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a web browser.. it is 2012 after all...

Mark




On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me = and I can't respond with the same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't hear= d here very much.
Denis, Monterey Bay & IA

"But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes=A0 an interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia limited.=A0 I'm just sayin. Jus= t a suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;)"



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/



--e89a8ff2452b5eaa0904b97c7291-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:14:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8355183479; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of krispen.hartung@gmail.com designates 10.60.12.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.12.101; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of krispen.hartung@gmail.com designates 10.60.12.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=krispen.hartung@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=krispen.hartung@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=Lo7bnUpHUmjP4IfSkWLs75JSVrSev5lZ4oyrveOPIiw=; b=s5q/bwURTGrt4SLgcL6rJMhdLjNicRY94nbLRKBemU2xszqalIs30uB+oC9lNcqr+E Q7AjSrCYak/mE1IaT88HPxNB51JkYZMwJf3S9OxrV43jqWvy+gRoRJn4Winha9YuYCGh iUOaYBTKa+9IZXScbGyrKgnLVuLCHTR3c5NPY= Message-ID: <3EDCFB518BD843EEADC7E563E541D870@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> Subject: Re: BBS format Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:14:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_050B_01CCF081.A45B0E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:14:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_050B_01CCF081.A45B0E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this topic has been brought up a few times in the past few years = with no definitive agreement or action as a result. One of the nice = things about the simplicy of the list now is that you don't have to use = a browser or some social media platform to express your ideas. Quite = honestly, I'd probably use the list less if it were on the web, because = I'm already on the web too much. Sometimes I just want to stick with = basic email and text. In contrast, there is a way to satisfy all = personality styles. An infrastucture could be used that would allow = just basic email, or a web interface with more sophisticated features. = A Google group could probably meet this need. I'd be all for that. I = could still get email, or use the web if I wanted. In other words, it = doesn't have to be an either/or thing. ------=_NextPart_000_050B_01CCF081.A45B0E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think this topic has been brought up = a few times=20 in the past few years with no definitive agreement or action as a = result. =20 One of the nice things about the simplicy of the list now is that you = don't have=20 to use a browser or some social media platform to express your = ideas. =20 Quite honestly, I'd probably use the list less if it were on the web, = because=20 I'm already on the web too much.   Sometimes I just want to = stick with=20 basic email and text. In contrast, there is a way to satisfy all = personality=20 styles.  An infrastucture could be used that would allow just basic = email,=20 or a web interface with more sophisticated features.  A Google = group could=20 probably meet this need.  I'd be all for that.   I could = still=20 get email, or use the web if I wanted.   In other words, it = doesn't=20 have to be an either/or thing.
------=_NextPart_000_050B_01CCF081.A45B0E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:29:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E5CE183477; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:29:34 +0100 (CET) From: antony hequet Reply-To: antony hequet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1266218644.53625.1329845374942.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d32> In-Reply-To: References: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> Subject: Re: BBS format MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [188.61.44.173] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:29:36 +0000 (UTC) I propose we start carving it in stone > > You could start insulting people... or you stop complaining and build the > thing you want to see in use. That's what anyone else here would do. > > Lindsey > On Feb 21, 2012 8:55 AM, "7stringjazz" wrote: > > > Old ideas die hard. Ok I get it. Sorry to interrupt the currently > > scheduled program. Ironic though that loopers, who tend to be on average > > more tech savvy, cling to carving thoughts about MUSIC and MUSIC MAKING, on > > parchment paper. -7 > > > > On 2/21/2012 8:02 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > > > FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, Why > > not do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subject. > > If not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list > > stays as it is... > > And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a web > > browser.. it is 2012 after all... > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top wrote: > > > >> Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the > >> same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and the > >> rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard here > >> very much. > >> Denis, Monterey Bay & IA > >> > >> "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes an > >> interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce > >> around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. > >> Not to mention its multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion > >> from the peanut gallery. ;)" > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Mark Francombe* > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > > > > > -- > > http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:29:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95830183486; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:29:56 UTC Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:21:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <297958104.1163652.1329844909402.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: BBS format MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1163651_258487992.1329844909271" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:29:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1163651_258487992.1329844909271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >And "parchment" paper is just paper; perhaps you mean they use goose quill on sheep parchment?< Vellum, it's called. Very high end! ----- Original Message ----- ------=_Part_1163651_258487992.1329844909271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>And "parchment" paper is just paper; perhaps you mean they use goose
quill on sheep parchment?<

Vellum, it's called.  Very high end!


------=_Part_1163651_258487992.1329844909271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:37:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CCF3183479; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of billowhead@gmail.com designates 10.216.136.200 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.136.200; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of billowhead@gmail.com designates 10.216.136.200 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=billowhead@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=billowhead@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LK9MMAXRoujI3YTByW++IX2yaDo2qHX7KNnS0tBLTqM=; b=d2PMIUVB3lTZbgUI7mnxHlPoiil4BrtZ2/0H2ByxgtOgwxCYlJSgRcCd4Z5kF0shvn BUOrJq129YQJ8FMjQcEQFRVr9gMzWnXBrjsY1C3OZk8j+Dofy4qNbk5RouKms+ifoDaJ xT7f/KWs/CIhxZ2pdDwhJ4YyO72VI4AyizvA4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:37:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context (art/context) From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Just have to throw a pitch here for the movie Rivers and Tides for anyone who hasn't seen it yet. Its a movie about Andy Goldsworthy (with a Fred Frith soundtrack to boot) and it is absolutely stunning. And, from the same director and probably even more relevant to this list, is Touch the Sound which is an astounding movie about 'deaf' percussionist Evelyn Glennie (also with Fred Frith). Both are HIGHLY recommended. Kevin > what Goldsworthy is coming out of is all DUCHAMP! as is most conceptual a= rt > (and all types that come out of conceptual art: site specific, earthworks= , > etc). goldsworthy going out into the forest and sewing leaves, he's an > artist, and he's calling that "his art". (as opposed to painting, drawing= , > sculpture...) then what he does-instead of taking the actual objects (lea= ves > of course would eventually degrade) is photograph it. most conceptual art= is > photo based or document based, since the idea is more important than the > actual object.... > and for Goldsworthy-it's hard to sell sewn leaves, but photos of sown > leaves, he can make a limited # of photo prints, sign them, and > "instant-sellable art!" (yes, his name is big in the conceptual world) > > so to finalize: you cannot have "Art" w/o a context.... > fun discussion. > s--- > > > > > re: > > From: mark francombe > Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:34:42 +0100 > > ________________________________ > Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know much > about him.. which I just showed rather well, but I hope my point still > stands? That Art exists even without context. I think context, makes a lo= t > of Art work, but as a pretty staunch Hater of so called public or corpora= te > Art, sometimes it ruins Art too! --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:46:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 347A118345C; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.151.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.151.3; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.151.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=db1Y2xFXKFzPOE4TeabWhWFefJ1HcUBKDGm255IuiUI=; b=nVQ94IycMSoyM1P0GWok1MoKLxmqQd2+MrbKv7+LDkEBgrM3KfJlRQJ1p+g36Jy9zL Tudlt3K/lPyCmG1KoE1a8AiEFWO6cYBovvpznwtGp2DzQhZCKXn5rU2MwdhUCXAdqPav 7IaWreAT8voNUjUDf5IECSpF503IQP9dIzDIw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <297958104.1163652.1329844909402.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <297958104.1163652.1329844909402.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:46:52 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BBS format From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:46:54 +0000 (UTC) I like the digest emails/list approach. Similar to the Pure Data lists. Yes, it comes down to what you are used to to some extent (and what is already in place). I personally do not like the forum approach and prefer emails coming through into a designated email account that I can check whenever I have the time. For me, this is more functional than receiving an email that tells me I need to load up a browser, login to a forum to then reply via a form which includes captcha images. I prefer typing a quick email and pressing send. There also appears to be less of a problem with spam on the list. By all means, build a forum, and maybe they will come. On an unrelated note, if you have 7 string Jazz music recorded, I'd very much like to hear it :) On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Christophe wrote: >>And "parchment" paper is just paper; perhaps you mean they use goose > quill on sheep parchment?< > > Vellum, it's called.=A0 Very high end! > > ________________________________ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:48:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 705E7183479; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of richard@glasswing.com designates 10.68.210.12 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.210.12; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of richard@glasswing.com designates 10.68.210.12 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=richard@glasswing.com References: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> <3EDCFB518BD843EEADC7E563E541D870@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <3EDCFB518BD843EEADC7E563E541D870@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A3202B57-74E3-49BC-A4BD-2D45680816EC Message-Id: <68202387-9C46-4F5C-BC44-91A99263B14B@glasswing.com> Cc: "" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) From: richard sales Subject: Re: BBS format Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:48:19 -0800 To: Kris Hartung X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlynNLuypDuUKtIGbHlESgS49yyFrLhMjpoMkSg2evVD4rDiyR7ooPpaguC03pS3+5pNLpI Resent-Message-ID: <4d0gYD.A.y2G.oj9QPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:48:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-A3202B57-74E3-49BC-A4BD-2D45680816EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just wish it was easer to switch to digest. I've tried signing off and th= en back on and it didn't work. Normally it's no issue for me because my big= Mac routes all the LD scriptures in a folder and I can browse at my leisure= . But on the IPad roughly 80% of my email is LD.=20 Don't get me wrong. I love this list. =20 I bet If someone could put some time into the backbone of the list to make i= t easier for fast moving folks to switch (and unsubscribe) that would resol= ve the issue for most. My other fave groups I get in digest form. Rhodes C= hroma, Magnatone, Jupiter 8, LinnDrum, Marans Chickens!!!! ... I can't remem= ber them all. =20 LD is the one I read the most! Using the IPad now because the studio is studs and insulation right now! Ee= ee yi yi! Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:14 AM, "Kris Hartung" wrot= e: > I think this topic has been brought up a few times in the past few years w= ith no definitive agreement or action as a result. One of the nice things a= bout the simplicy of the list now is that you don't have to use a browser or= some social media platform to express your ideas. Quite honestly, I'd prob= ably use the list less if it were on the web, because I'm already on the web= too much. Sometimes I just want to stick with basic email and text. In co= ntrast, there is a way to satisfy all personality styles. An infrastucture c= ould be used that would allow just basic email, or a web interface with more= sophisticated features. A Google group could probably meet this need. I'd= be all for that. I could still get email, or use the web if I wanted. I= n other words, it doesn't have to be an either/or thing. --Apple-Mail-A3202B57-74E3-49BC-A4BD-2D45680816EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I just wish it was easer t= o switch to digest.  I've tried signing off and then back on and it did= n't work.  Normally it's no issue for me because my big Mac routes all t= he LD scriptures in a folder and I can browse at my leisure.  But on th= e IPad roughly 80% of my email is LD. 

Don't g= et me wrong.  I love this list.  

I bet I= f someone could put some time into the backbone of the list to make it easie= r for fast moving folks to switch (and unsubscribe)  that would resolve= the issue for most.  My other fave groups I get in digest form.  = Rhodes Chroma, Magnatone, Jupiter 8, LinnDrum, Marans Chickens!!!! ... I can= 't remember them all.  

LD is the one I read t= he most!

Using the IPad now because the studio is s= tuds and insulation right now!  Eeee yi yi!

Richard Sales=
Sent from my IPad


On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:14 A= M, "Kris Hartung" <krispen.h= artung@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this topic has been brought up a= few times=20 in the past few years with no definitive agreement or action as a result.&nb= sp;=20 One of the nice things about the simplicy of the list now is that you don't h= ave=20 to use a browser or some social media platform to express your ideas. =20= Quite honestly, I'd probably use the list less if it were on the web, becaus= e=20 I'm already on the web too much.   Sometimes I just want to stick w= ith=20 basic email and text. In contrast, there is a way to satisfy all personality= =20 styles.  An infrastucture could be used that would allow just basic ema= il,=20 or a web interface with more sophisticated features.  A Google group co= uld=20 probably meet this need.  I'd be all for that.   I could stil= l=20 get email, or use the web if I wanted.   In other words, it doesn'= t=20 have to be an either/or thing.
= --Apple-Mail-A3202B57-74E3-49BC-A4BD-2D45680816EC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:49:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12018183460; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.50.88.132 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.88.132; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.50.88.132 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6p7If7a73whRO5+dQWqzMkhYuWhRPU3ydPTq5MM8MP4=; b=oZ/zCy0UH+vB6YKrAnq7/xzRz37JKywKeSmEe+pibDxmdWQVi1ycPw62QW5BEPYr9R 2z4Q0wuiQnG12C8P/qWPiUdeY/H6yAk1RHMNMrMe9QpSKPHIfVAF/rCHcFUaNLyaGqEV XNj1yxrRMhxDXWpuBstK957et9X0MVAnsWjqk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:49:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context (art/context) From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Hehe=85this is exactly what I'm talking about. "Rivers and Tides" is fantas= tic... http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Just have to throw a pitch here for the movie Rivers and Tides for > anyone who hasn't seen it yet. =A0Its a movie about Andy Goldsworthy > (with a Fred Frith soundtrack to boot) and it is absolutely stunning. > > And, from the same director and probably even more relevant to this > list, is Touch the Sound which is an astounding movie about 'deaf' > percussionist Evelyn Glennie (also with Fred Frith). > > Both are HIGHLY recommended. > > Kevin > >> what Goldsworthy is coming out of is all DUCHAMP! as is most conceptual = art >> (and all types that come out of conceptual art: site specific, earthwork= s, >> etc). goldsworthy going out into the forest and sewing leaves, he's an >> artist, and he's calling that "his art". (as opposed to painting, drawin= g, >> sculpture...) then what he does-instead of taking the actual objects (le= aves >> of course would eventually degrade) is photograph it. most conceptual ar= t is >> photo based or document based, since the idea is more important than the >> actual object.... >> and for Goldsworthy-it's hard to sell sewn leaves, but photos of sown >> leaves, he can make a limited # of photo prints, sign them, and >> "instant-sellable art!" (yes, his name is big in the conceptual world) >> >> so to finalize: you cannot have "Art" w/o a context.... >> fun discussion. >> s--- >> >> >> >> >> re: >> >> From: mark francombe >> Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context >> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:34:42 +0100 >> >> ________________________________ >> Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know muc= h >> about him.. which I just showed rather well, but I hope my point still >> stands? That Art exists even without context. I think context, makes a l= ot >> of Art work, but as a pretty staunch Hater of so called public or corpor= ate >> Art, sometimes it ruins Art too! > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:53:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA2A2183486; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OgOwmqCqZ7C/suPCqbip/LuL5yemub/wvNpudHIYpIX0e7MZqZc9d6LpeasETRjf; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <3344FF78-8549-4B18-A5F6-9DCEE6E9607C@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context (art/context) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:53:53 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79dcb40f71692063e3c46830eb9aceef38350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.142.17.64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Double ditto! GREAT flix=85 On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Just have to throw a pitch here for the movie Rivers and Tides for > anyone who hasn't seen it yet. Its a movie about Andy Goldsworthy > (with a Fred Frith soundtrack to boot) and it is absolutely stunning. > > And, from the same director and probably even more relevant to this > list, is Touch the Sound which is an astounding movie about 'deaf' > percussionist Evelyn Glennie (also with Fred Frith). > > Both are HIGHLY recommended. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:55:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79951183478; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.50.203.98 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.203.98; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.50.203.98 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/ANUaCR31edRsjdoauux1CUy69ITqzXE86KQxkr0Ooo=; b=O/1tLhQYomoHEPIOo9YpPw6cjpp/NoXX/93a8qkzls+s+KzqSqvrjxdCIQtTsVCliK 3UTQAUNRNa7lBHoXaVfl/THieeO+esfkKTCe8aCTN7IlHu06OgZL0Rv0DAxok3Zpj6G1 qft8tV/AGDkPx9nvo8mljpxggS/vd2p+B6sRI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <297958104.1163652.1329844909402.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <297958104.1163652.1329844909402.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:55:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BBS format From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_nk7fD.A.vNH.iq9QPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:55:47 +0000 (UTC) You do know that both "vellum" and "parchment" have absolutely nothing to do with paper, per se? That it is a marketing term, only? As for "best" paper, you can't do any better than this guy: http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.5458003/k.9768/Timothy_Barrett= .htm Vellum and parchment specifically refer to animal hides that have been stretched, scraped, and soaked in alkaline/lime solutions to produce an appropriate writing solution. This often achieved by rubbing various chalk-like substances to give a smoother surface for writing. They are NOT tanned (they'd be called "leather" if they were!). Vellum is more generally associated specifically with calf and cow hides; parchment is more generally used with sheep, goat, and deer skins. And that's it from Ye Book Binder, Conservator, and Calligrapher's Corner for today =97 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Christophe wrote: >>And "parchment" paper is just paper; perhaps you mean they use goose > quill on sheep parchment?< > > Vellum, it's called.=A0 Very high end! > > ________________________________ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:08:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86E4A18348F; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.221.9 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.221.9; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.221.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=davew@easystreet.net Message-ID: <4F43DDAA.5070309@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:08:42 -0800 From: 7stringjazz Reply-To: 7stringjazz@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BBS format References: <4F43CC66.9080908@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060806050607030509050601" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlgZ6DSCDanXhvjL/9RhJW4r9CvHsNJhue3QOlF5cXtXUj0ppi691qxfvTQsiH+2hvj6RUL Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:08:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060806050607030509050601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If pointing out an irony is insulting, its not intentional. I'm just looking at my loopers mailbox and thinking, this is not efficient or as effective as it could be. I admit though that I'm not the one to host such a site. There is considerable brand equity in LD. It should be adapted by those that tend it. Life is about expanding into the adjacent possible. (S.Kaufman). Failure to take the paths presented will ultimately lead to going away. Its all good, it just could be better. Again, I'm just sayin. On 2/21/2012 9:07 AM, Lindsey Walker wrote: > > You could start insulting people... or you stop complaining and build > the thing you want to see in use. That's what anyone else here would do. > > Lindsey > > On Feb 21, 2012 8:55 AM, "7stringjazz" > wrote: > > Old ideas die hard. Ok I get it. Sorry to interrupt the currently > scheduled program. Ironic though that loopers, who tend to be on > average more tech savvy, cling to carving thoughts about MUSIC and > MUSIC MAKING, on parchment paper. -7 > > On 2/21/2012 8:02 AM, mark francombe wrote: >> FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every >> year, Why not do a search of the archives and see what has been >> said on this subject. If not, try the facebook group or the >> LiveLooping forum. But the LD list stays as it is... >> And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail >> in a web browser.. it is 2012 after all... >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top > > wrote: >> >> Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond >> with the same subject line. Many times I only get the first >> couple sentences and the rest runs several pages to the >> right. It is why my voice isn't heard here very much. >> Denis, Monterey Bay & IA >> >> "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS >> establishes an interactive online repository that does not >> require every message to bounce around all the users. Its >> just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to >> mention its multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a >> suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;)" >> >> >> >> >> -- >> /_Mark Francombe_/ >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > > > -- > http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz > -- http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz --------------060806050607030509050601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If pointing out an irony is insulting, its not intentional.  I'm just looking at my loopers mailbox and thinking, this is not efficient or as effective as it could be. I admit though that I'm not the one to host such a site. There is considerable brand equity in LD. It should be adapted by those that tend it. Life is about expanding into the adjacent possible. (S.Kaufman). Failure to take the paths presented will ultimately lead to going away.  Its all good, it just could be better. Again, I'm just sayin.

On 2/21/2012 9:07 AM, Lindsey Walker wrote:

You could start insulting people... or you stop complaining and build the thing you want to see in use.  That's what anyone else here would do.

Lindsey

On Feb 21, 2012 8:55 AM, "7stringjazz" <davew@easystreet.net> wrote:
Old ideas die hard. Ok I get it. Sorry to interrupt the currently scheduled program. Ironic though that loopers, who tend to be on average more tech savvy, cling to carving thoughts about MUSIC and MUSIC MAKING, on parchment paper. -7

On 2/21/2012 8:02 AM, mark francombe wrote:
FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, Why not do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subject. If not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list stays as it is...
And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a web browser.. it is 2012 after all...

Mark




On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, joy_top top <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard here very much.
Denis, Monterey Bay & IA

"But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes  an interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia limited.  I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;)"



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/





--
http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz
--------------060806050607030509050601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:10:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A170318349B; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:10:42 UTC Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:02:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <677223996.1166436.1329847355662.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: BBS format MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1166435_568861771.1329847355658" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:10:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1166435_568861771.1329847355658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I stand corrected! I thought for sure vellum was sheepskin. And didn't know= about parchment at all - for some bizarre reason I was relating it to papy= rus (talk about primitive)! Thanks!=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Moser" =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:55:46 PM=20 Subject: Re: BBS format=20 You do know that both "vellum" and "parchment" have absolutely nothing=20 to do with paper, per se? That it is a marketing term, only? As for=20 "best" paper, you can't do any better than this guy:=20 http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.5458003/k.9768/Timothy_Barrett= .htm=20 Vellum and parchment specifically refer to animal hides that have been=20 stretched, scraped, and soaked in alkaline/lime solutions to produce=20 an appropriate writing solution. This often achieved by rubbing=20 various chalk-like substances to give a smoother surface for writing.=20 They are NOT tanned (they'd be called "leather" if they were!).=20 Vellum is more generally associated specifically with calf and cow=20 hides; parchment is more generally used with sheep, goat, and deer=20 skins.=20 And that's it from Ye Book Binder, Conservator, and Calligrapher's=20 Corner for today =E2=80=94=20 Best,=20 Dennis=20 http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin=20 http://audiozoloft.com=20 http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/=20 On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Christophe wrote:= =20 >>And "parchment" paper is just paper; perhaps you mean they use goose=20 > quill on sheep parchment?<=20 >=20 > Vellum, it's called. Very high end!=20 >=20 > ________________________________=20 >=20 ------=_Part_1166435_568861771.1329847355658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>I stand c= orrected!  I thought for sure vellum was sheepskin.  And didn't k= now about parchment at all - for some bizarre reason I was relating it to p= apyrus (talk about primitive)!  Thanks!

Fro= m: "Dennis Moser" <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:= 55:46 PM
Subject: Re: BBS format

You do know that both "ve= llum" and "parchment" have absolutely nothing
to do with paper, per se? = That it is a marketing term, only? As for
"best" paper, you can't do any= better than this guy:

http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.= 5458003/k.9768/Timothy_Barrett.htm

Vellum and parchment specifically= refer to animal hides that have been
stretched, scraped, and soaked in = alkaline/lime solutions to produce
an appropriate writing solution. This= often achieved by rubbing
various chalk-like substances to give a smoot= her surface for writing.
They are NOT tanned (they'd be called "leather"= if they were!).

Vellum is more generally associated specifically wi= th calf and cow
hides; parchment is more generally used with sheep, goat= , and deer
skins.

And that's it from Ye Book Binder, Conservator,= and Calligrapher's
Corner for today =E2=80=94

Best,

Denni= s

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://= usrslashsbin.angrek.com/



On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM, C= hristophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:
>>And "parchment" pa= per is just paper; perhaps you mean they use goose
> quill on sheep p= archment?<
>
> Vellum, it's called.  Very high end!
= >
> ________________________________
>

<= /html> ------=_Part_1166435_568861771.1329847355658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:22:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F31CA1834A2; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.137.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.137.18; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.137.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jy3mf5dpxg+odLDTcMgidVxxy+1itkJhDeEFH6xJ4jQ=; b=Rwe6OchK+lBz0hxeUmXEImFfT0dpqp2/K6RtbaBK/4lYpwCWqkObwYFvWj98/yDMjd 4cnEq2TQWPXkb3diCXaxW37YcsLZJfFN6kvYOpv4FnaRdEol6YdY9TPqmVBcq+eYhI7b Km3QOx2SNkKxjrnVMqLYA42e/38daH9z0k+og= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <677223996.1166436.1329847355662.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <677223996.1166436.1329847355662.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:22:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BBS format From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Christophe, In "paper" circles, when folks use the term vellum they're usually referring to the qualities that one often sees in true sheepskin vellum; in leather/book conservator circles, it's usually referring to calfskin. The problem really stems from the history of the material's production. "Vellum" comes from Old French: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=3Dvellum =85and refers specifically to calfskin. "Parchment" is much older (hence the above reference to "vellum" being a type of parchment) and is derived from a couple of Graeco-Roman terms all derived from the name of the Greek city, "Pergamon." http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/parchment Fun stuff, when you start making your own from scratch =85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Christophe wrote: > I stand corrected!=A0 I thought for sure vellum was sheepskin.=A0 And did= n't > know about parchment at all - for some bizarre reason I was relating it t= o > papyrus (talk about primitive)!=A0 Thanks! > > ________________________________ > From: "Dennis Moser" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:55:46 PM > Subject: Re: BBS format > > You do know that both "vellum" and "parchment" have absolutely nothing > to do with paper, per se? That it is a marketing term, only? As for > "best" paper, you can't do any better than this guy: > > http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.5458003/k.9768/Timothy_Barre= tt.htm > > Vellum and parchment specifically refer to animal hides that have been > stretched, scraped, and soaked in alkaline/lime solutions to produce > an appropriate writing solution. This often achieved by rubbing > various chalk-like substances to give a smoother surface for writing. > They are NOT tanned (they'd be called "leather" if they were!). > > Vellum is more generally associated specifically with calf and cow > hides; parchment is more generally used with sheep, goat, and deer > skins. > > And that's it from Ye Book Binder, Conservator, and Calligrapher's > Corner for today =97 > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Christophe wrote= : >>>And "parchment" paper is just paper; perhaps you mean they use goose >> quill on sheep parchment?< >> >> Vellum, it's called.=A0 Very high end! >> >> ________________________________ >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:33:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39678183477; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cc868877-8834-462b-bf15-df0e85955db6_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Re:BBSformat Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:33:07 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2012 18:33:07.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[4169E980:01CCF0C7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:33:09 +0000 (UTC) --_cc868877-8834-462b-bf15-df0e85955db6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Using hotmail in Safari on a IPad. I'm ok with the list moving more and mor= e to an elite perspective. I am certainly not. I think I've been on here fo= r at least 8yrs using various means to get mail. Just gets more difficult. = I suspect the newer ideas will always prevail and be the cutting edge. Denis=2C Monterey Bay & IA "FYI to new the new members here=2C we have this discussion every year=2C W= hy not do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subje= ct. If not=2C try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD l= ist stays as it is... And if you list is not wrapping probably=2C try viewing it in Gmail in a we= b browser.. it is 2012 after all..." = --_cc868877-8834-462b-bf15-df0e85955db6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Using hotmail in Safari on a IPa= d. I'=3Bm ok with the list moving more and more to an elite perspective.= I am certainly not. I think I'=3Bve been on here for at least 8yrs usin= g various means to get mail. Just gets more difficult. I suspect the newer = ideas will always prevail and be the cutting edge.
Denis=2C Monterey Bay= &=3B IA

"=3BFYI to new the new members here=2C we have this = discussion every year=2C Why not do a search of the archives and see what h= as been said on this subject. If not=2C try the facebook group or the LiveL= ooping forum. But the LD list stays as it is...
And if you list is not w= rapping probably=2C try viewing it in Gmail in a web browser.. it is 2012 a= fter all..."=3B
= --_cc868877-8834-462b-bf15-df0e85955db6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:49:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D172183477; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:49:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <296133147.1169828.1329850165747.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: BBS format MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1169827_1779012424.1329850165710" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:49:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1169827_1779012424.1329850165710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dennis,=20 I did a bit of reading on the topic on Wiki and elsewhere since we started = this chat. Very interesting - it had to peak at uterine vellum, of course != =20 Thanks for the insight!=20 Chris=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Moser" =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:22:50 PM=20 Subject: Re: BBS format=20 Christophe,=20 In "paper" circles, when folks use the term vellum they're usually=20 referring to the qualities that one often sees in true sheepskin=20 vellum; in leather/book conservator circles, it's usually referring to=20 calfskin.=20 The problem really stems from the history of the material's=20 production. "Vellum" comes from Old French:=20 http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=3Dvellum=20 =E2=80=A6and refers specifically to calfskin.=20 "Parchment" is much older (hence the above reference to "vellum" being=20 a type of parchment) and is derived from a couple of Graeco-Roman=20 terms all derived from the name of the Greek city, "Pergamon."=20 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/parchment=20 Fun stuff, when you start making your own from scratch =E2=80=A6=20 Best,=20 Dennis=20 http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin=20 http://audiozoloft.com=20 http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/=20 ------=_Part_1169827_1779012424.1329850165710 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hi Dennis= ,

I did a bit of reading on the topic on Wiki and elsewhere since we= started this chat.  Very interesting -  it had to peak at uterin= e vellum, of course!

Thanks for the insight!

Chris

From: "Dennis Moser" <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, F= ebruary 21, 2012 1:22:50 PM
Subject: Re: BBS format

Christ= ophe,

In "paper" circles, when folks use the term vellum they're usu= ally
referring to the qualities that one often sees in true sheepskinvellum; in leather/book conservator circles, it's usually referring to
= calfskin.

The problem really stems from the history of the material'= s
production. "Vellum" comes from Old French:
http://www.etymonline.c= om/index.php?term=3Dvellum
=E2=80=A6and refers specifically to calfskin.=

"Parchment" is much older (hence the above reference to "vellum" be= ing
a type of parchment) and is derived from a couple of Graeco-Romanterms all derived from the name of the Greek city, "Pergamon."

http= ://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/parchment

Fun stuff, when you start making= your own from scratch =E2=80=A6


Best,

Dennis
http://s= oundcloud.com/usrsbin
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------=_Part_1169827_1779012424.1329850165710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:50:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47331183486; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of matilists@gmail.com designates 10.101.130.28 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.101.130.28; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of matilists@gmail.com designates 10.101.130.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=matilists@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=matilists@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=p6mBYW5zq+U4POcdnObJDmw+FPNBCmdpOHqGEaqj+m8=; b=Z8R7VZdoStLqT7yjmq9C3gu4dUa361rvd2vIen0UEZSAfCp1CM9CVnon7e3xtlA+c8 WQN6lzM/lAWQFxE3C5OQjnCRIawLmzDMdsMhXAJo+Gau38Jx4UU3RkSq/DoWpaoVfncH tR34LzXuSZd35q46kMGgFkk7vWdjfSvLw+qV8= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: BBS format From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:50:26 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6D1CE598-826C-4B6C-B716-2F29488C5296@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <_U0zp.A.bT.5d-QPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:50:34 +0000 (UTC) I thought quite a lot about the different kinds of modern communication I see a sequence from spontaneous to serious: Facebook - mailing list - forum - blog - site - book and ideally the information would flow from left to right, being = corrected and compacted in other words:=20 please, whenever you do a search and find and gather some information = from this archive or wherever, please pack it into a review of this = information and post it, maybe rather on the Livelooping forum than = here. http://www.nickrobinson.info/clients/loopforum/ On 21 Feb 2012, at 12:48, joy_top top wrote: > Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the = same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and = the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard = here very much. > Denis, Monterey Bay & IA >=20 > "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes = an interactive online repository that does not require every message to = bounce around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and = bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a = suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;)" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:54:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E898183479; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.129.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.129.69; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.129.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=a8RtNr1/RD3K7mK22DF/cQLBpOC3E9rPl4PaO9Xl9wc=; b=XNGCQEGmDg8CyjnOhjEGQqIhXrQMx/iMI1RM+Sceq0iFCyQ0wu7xEAVC05OFuGNq1O mS7n74PyyRLHFOc/QDf8OZpnd/cIiFcwpRDaMMTLqRMG69+DMgL/rV1tjuH+/Y/M9oAG pBe5J9AAhXoK3ISPVrmdJX1t63/jgSevKsXGo= References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:54:36 +0100 Message-ID: <-1092841686974187752@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: BBSformat To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c647b843f5f04b97df19b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:54:42 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c647b843f5f04b97df19b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im not totally sure what you are arguing about Denis, how is it you want LD to be delivered? We want details, vague suggestions that we are somehow backward for prefering our correspondance in a wish for elitism is nonsensical! i have told you that there IS another looping forum ( is it livelooping.orgguys? I dont have the time for a forum so i dont go there) Or the Facebook group is working VERY well if you are after a self promotion version of LD. so whats your problem with using them? or arent they meeting with you cutting edge standards either. you seem to be under the impression that "someone is in charge" here, well there isnt, so if you want a new version you have to make one yourself, and we'll check it out! btw, hotmail really isn't up to much any more, but you know you can point your account to a gmail account, and then you might see why I'm advocating gmail so much... You may like it you will see . try it and you may, I say! I wonder if I could have written this on a forum, seeing as I'm writing on a phone...? m Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 21 Feb 2012, at 19:33, joy_top top wrote: Using hotmail in Safari on a IPad. I'm ok with the list moving more and more to an elite perspective. I am certainly not. I think I've been on here for at least 8yrs using various means to get mail. Just gets more difficult. I suspect the newer ideas will always prevail and be the cutting edge. Denis, Monterey Bay & IA "FYI to new the new members here, we have this discussion every year, Why not do a search of the archives and see what has been said on this subject. If not, try the facebook group or the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list stays as it is... And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a web browser.. it is 2012 after all..." --f46d042c647b843f5f04b97df19b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Im not totally sure what = you are arguing =A0about Denis, how is it you want LD to be delivered? We w= ant details, vague suggestions that we are somehow backward for prefering o= ur correspondance in a wish for elitism is nonsensical!
i have told you that there IS another looping forum ( is it livelooping.org guys? I dont have the time for= a forum so i dont go there) Or the Facebook group is working VERY well if = you are after a self promotion version of LD.

so whats your problem with using them? or arent they me= eting with you cutting edge standards either. you seem to be under the impr= ession that "someone is in charge" here, well there isnt, so if y= ou want a new version you have to make one yourself, and we'll check it= out!

btw, hotmail really isn't up to much any more, but = you know you can point your account to a gmail account, and then you might = see why I'm advocating gmail so much...=A0

You= may like it you will see . try it and you may, I say!

I wonder if I could have written this on a forum, seein= g as I'm writing on a phone...?

m
Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 21 Feb 2012, at 19:= 33, joy_top top <joy_top@hotmail.= com> wrote:

Using hotmail in Safari on a IPad. I'm ok with the lis= t moving more and more to an elite perspective. I am certainly not. I think= I've been on here for at least 8yrs using various means to get mail. J= ust gets more difficult. I suspect the newer ideas will always prevail and = be the cutting edge.
Denis, Monterey Bay & IA

"FYI to new the new members here, = we have this discussion every year, Why not do a search of the archives and= see what has been said on this subject. If not, try the facebook group or = the LiveLooping forum. But the LD list stays as it is...
And if you list is not wrapping probably, try viewing it in Gmail in a web = browser.. it is 2012 after all..."
--f46d042c647b843f5f04b97df19b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 19:00:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88DC7183474; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4F43E9BB.00F3,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=frM3ubQMsGNQr4xvsYRL0w/vXhCHzSHejYyZ59KnNZI= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=HsfhlkXHBcb3f8T3yOoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <-1092841686974187752@unknownmsgid> Subject: RE: BBSformat Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:00:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <-1092841686974187752@unknownmsgid> Thread-Index: AczwykbfPUvKW4alTzi5pbiON9sv9gAAJGIg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: <5WQo-D.A.7j.9m-QPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I am on a chromatic harmonica forum (Slidemeister) and post from my phone from time to time . . . It's a SimpleMachines construct . . . And my vote is for everything to stay the way it is! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 19:01:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79858183486; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 725778249/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.20.171/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.20.171 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIFAF3pQ09YbRSr/2dsb2JhbAAMN7E5BAKDfgEBAQQ4NgoRCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIBbheiyxJCQQBIwEBBwYCAwYDBwITAQIBAgKCKIE6AwMBAwEEAQUBBAICBAMBAQMIBx+DHgSbAo0j X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,459,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="725778249" Message-ID: <4F43E9D0.8000103@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:00:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doesn't anyone want to bring this site up to date? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Phil wrote: > Am I the only one who wishes this site were like a normal forum-- you're also not the only one who didn't bother to ask if there was a forum here it is:- http://www.nickrobinson.info/clients/loopforum/ I'm off there now to ask admin Nick it to change to a mailing list ....or maybe not. :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 19:09:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2204183497; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F43EBC4.30405@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:08:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:09:02 +0000 (UTC) On 2/20/12 10:29 AM, David Coffin wrote: > Ditto Paul and Pawel; this "experiment", which I recall reading about > shortly after it happened, always seemed to me to have been set up to > guarantee the results obtained and wanted, and pretty obviously so. I had a similar reaction, noticing that he was right inside of the door as people were entering which guaranteed that people would have momentum to move past him, whereas, he could have set up right next to where the trains come in so that people would have been forced, in this setting, to listen more. This reminds me of when Worlds Collide once did a gig opening up for Cher of all weird things at a huge corporate party. They literally had us play on a large ledge above the entrance to the buidling so that everyone entering the party passed underneath us. I was dismayed because we were set up to 'fail' merely by our location and, sure enough, hardly anyone listened to us (and I thought we were pretty original and pretty good). Cher, parenthetically, had a rack of 6 autotune units which I found hilarious and was still more entertaining that when we opened up for Kenny G at a corporate event. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 19:28:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BDE61834A3; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com designates 10.112.24.162 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.24.162; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com designates 10.112.24.162 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6RscnyFxxYJRxy6b0CXYCXJKgMJz2VjRhT4+Qy+hqq0=; b=Vmxgb0szUUnBc3dt053RsnlUpWl7gbf1s1ZQ7tTUfIA9t8fLDnzwkxcPPysNxo6wq8 w4L6J5bCCwYQUKvOIQSlpox4Co65xSRLcCpXREEajgqsnkx5Z/cRxF+/V4aLJcDNIv7I 3OVyVLBRlkHgVsTykMPFIB45oZbWxjbsA5FWs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:28:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BBS format From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b390f7d4052aef804b97e69c8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:28:12 +0000 (UTC) --485b390f7d4052aef804b97e69c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I say it like this. It's easy to bitch about things, but when it comes to putting your money where your mouth is, well that's where most people fall flat. It's a difficult thing for coders to begin a web forum. Someone could do it and call it loopersforum.com then those of us who wanted to switch, could. Those of us who love it this way, can stay here. It's just a matter of someone putting their mind to it and doing it. BTW, this is not meant to go to just one person. I'm not singling anyone out on this. I'm just stating for the record that most people will talk...not do. Jeffrey On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, joy_top top wrote: > Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the > same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and the > rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard here > very much. > Denis, Monterey Bay & IA > > "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes an > interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce > around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. > Not to mention its multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion > from the peanut gallery. ;)" > --485b390f7d4052aef804b97e69c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I say it like this. It's easy to bitch about things, but when it comes = to putting your money where your mouth is, well that's where most peopl= e fall flat. It's a difficult thing for coders to begin a web forum. So= meone could do it and call it loopersfo= rum.com then those of us who wanted to switch, could. Those of us who l= ove it this way, can stay here. It's just a matter of someone putting t= heir mind to it and doing it.

BTW, this is not meant to go to just one person. I'm not= singling anyone out on this. I'm just stating for the record that most= people will talk...not do.

Jeffrey

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, joy_top top <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I c= an't respond with the same subject line. Many times I only get the firs= t couple sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why = my voice isn't heard here very much.
Denis, Monterey Bay & IA

"But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, = not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes=A0 an interactive online repository tha= t does not require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just g= rossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia l= imited.=A0 I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;= )"

--485b390f7d4052aef804b97e69c8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 21:02:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FF8B183477; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.233.74 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.233.74; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.233.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=davew@easystreet.net Message-ID: <4F440647.4010404@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:01:59 -0800 From: 7stringjazz Reply-To: 7stringjazz@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BBS format References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080107010002010207030406" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnqi8vNR/NyyvOXT63spYsgjpChf13EshbzFZlS7e6DumJNUlIGj289/cJItYgTgcbAefE4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:02:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080107010002010207030406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems to be an emotional topic with strong feelings on all sides. Sorry to stir it up in my first few posts. I've been subscribing/lurking for years ever since I got my Repeater, which I still have ;). Hence my bulging email basket. I'm not bitching about it either. I enjoy the looper specific, and the occasional OT back and forth that falls through my loopergroup email filter. I guess I fall into the flat category though when it comes to wanting to put a forum up. Gmail is better, but its not a solution for many to many communications. BBS exist because they work for this type of community better than email. But if email is all we have, or will have, then so be it. Peace, 7 On 2/21/2012 11:28 AM, Jeffrey Collins wrote: > I say it like this. It's easy to bitch about things, but when it comes > to putting your money where your mouth is, well that's where most > people fall flat. It's a difficult thing for coders to begin a web > forum. Someone could do it and call it loopersforum.com > then those of us who wanted to switch, > could. Those of us who love it this way, can stay here. It's just a > matter of someone putting their mind to it and doing it. > > BTW, this is not meant to go to just one person. I'm not singling > anyone out on this. I'm just stating for the record that most people > will talk...not do. > > Jeffrey > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, joy_top top > wrote: > > Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with > the same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple > sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why > my voice isn't heard here very much. > Denis, Monterey Bay & IA > > "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS > establishes an interactive online repository that does not > require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just > grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its > multimedia limited. I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the > peanut gallery. ;)" > > -- http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz --------------080107010002010207030406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems to be an emotional topic with strong feelings on all sides. Sorry to stir it up in my first few posts. I've been subscribing/lurking for years ever since I got my Repeater, which I still have ;). Hence my bulging email basket.  I'm not bitching about it either. I enjoy the looper specific, and the occasional OT back and forth that falls through my loopergroup email filter.  I guess I fall into the flat category though when it comes to wanting to put a forum up.  Gmail is better, but its not a solution for many to many communications. BBS exist because they work for this type of community better than email. But if email is all we have, or will have, then so be it. Peace, 7

On 2/21/2012 11:28 AM, Jeffrey Collins wrote:
I say it like this. It's easy to bitch about things, but when it comes to putting your money where your mouth is, well that's where most people fall flat. It's a difficult thing for coders to begin a web forum. Someone could do it and call it loopersforum.com then those of us who wanted to switch, could. Those of us who love it this way, can stay here. It's just a matter of someone putting their mind to it and doing it.

BTW, this is not meant to go to just one person. I'm not singling anyone out on this. I'm just stating for the record that most people will talk...not do.

Jeffrey

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, joy_top top <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with the same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my voice isn't heard here very much.
Denis, Monterey Bay & IA

"But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes  an interactive online repository that does not require every message to bounce around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia limited.  I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the peanut gallery. ;)"



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--------------080107010002010207030406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 23:07:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86605183477; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:07:20 UTC From: "Robert Temple" To: Subject: loopers and best routing Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:00:38 -0800 Message-ID: <00f201ccf0ec$a13b06d0$e3b11470$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F3_01CCF0A9.9317C6D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aczw7KB+ZNVlfs+ERemN1thZ6o9FhA== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:07:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01CCF0A9.9317C6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am new here and to looping. I put my jam man stereo on my pedalboard and have some questions about the best way to route it. I play 7 string acoustic electric through a Zoom G3 and I use a two channel Highlander PAMDI preamp. I also have a stomp box. My goal is to be able to bypass the looper preamps completely when I am not looping live (which is most of the time right now), but to be able to loop any combination of voice, guitar and stompbox when I want to. I have a two channel acoustic image amp that gives me some options for say one channel for loop and another for not looped. I have managed to do it with some compromise with a Boss Line Switcher 2 and had some success with using the aux out on a Behringer 602A mixing board and a Mackie VLZ pro. I sometimes have extra voices so I am thinking of getting an Allen and Heath Zed 10fx so I can have effects on the loop vocal and the main vocal. I'm hoping some of you have figured out how to solve this problem without the bad loops (feedback). Thanks robert ------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01CCF0A9.9317C6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am new here and to looping.  I put my jam = man stereo on my pedalboard and have some questions about the best way to route = it.  I play 7 string acoustic electric through a Zoom G3 and I use a two = channel  Highlander PAMDI preamp.  I also have a stomp box.  My goal is to be able = to bypass the looper preamps completely when I am not looping live (which = is most of the time right now), but to be able to loop any combination of voice, = guitar and stompbox when I want to.  I have a two channel acoustic image = amp that gives me some options for say one channel for loop and another for not = looped.

I have managed to do it with some compromise with a = Boss Line Switcher 2 and had some success with using the aux out on a  Behringer 602A mixing board and a Mackie VLZ pro.  I sometimes have = extra voices so I am thinking of getting an Allen and Heath Zed 10fx so I can = have effects on the loop vocal and the main vocal.  I’m hoping = some of you have figured out how to solve this problem without  the bad = loops (feedback). Thanks

robert

------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01CCF0A9.9317C6D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 03:49:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91D2183477; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of evanpeewee@gmail.com designates 10.180.103.97 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.103.97; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of evanpeewee@gmail.com designates 10.180.103.97 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=evanpeewee@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=evanpeewee@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1DbiPdOnUiZYBE8f5K9f4qowayVqLjTIOk/PYofnKSs=; b=Ph+LybCZhZRWCWni7FbaIF9TKaoqhqdc25KwAIjezaTrL2O6hB2VXeshixA02uO5wP UTcN9xcXXB9yYAP1hVwo31IrQKgQUYYgn2Vussi6LG7/nB9qU5Hs0VQcwYQvAtks/gT7 VyBLaScdwSqB1XPvLblntZ0nEEHKsxDAjj+Xk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:49:39 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: So when is LD going to a standard BBS?, From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444eab7c43a7a04b9856a89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:49:41 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444eab7c43a7a04b9856a89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i know this has been discussed before, and someone did start their own livelooping forum a while back.... which the 1st time i saw it i thought it was "weird" but now that i'm on the gear page (way too much), i see the difference. i see this more "linear" and TGP can be all over the place....but i find myself using them both the same, if there are topics of interest, i read, respond, if not, i skip over....it entertains me i guess.... i will say that there is a lot of looping discussion on TGP-and 2 recent threads are "the looping thread" and the other is about "livelooping", there has been some interesting stuff talked about...but i will admit, a lot of posts seem to be " what kind of looper should i get". i often wonder if people do searches anymore? oh well. s--- --f46d0444eab7c43a7a04b9856a89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i know this has been discussed before, and someone did start their own= livelooping forum a while back....
which the 1st time i saw it i= thought it was "weird"
but now that i'm on the ge= ar page (way too much), i see the difference. i see this more "linear&= quot;
and TGP can be all over the place....but i find myself using them both= the same, if there are topics of interest, i read, respond, if not, i skip= over....it entertains me i guess....
i will say that there is a = lot of looping discussion on TGP-and 2 recent threads are "the looping= thread" and the other is about "livelooping", there has bee= n some interesting stuff talked about...but i will admit, a lot of posts se= em to be " what kind of looper should i get". i often wonder if p= eople do searches anymore?
oh well.
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--f46d0444eab7c43a7a04b9856a89-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 04:58:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 671C5183477; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <62019F4E-9EA7-4BC6-A857-E45C330DFB97@aol.com> From: openjam@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--607818398 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: This list... was BBS format Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:58:19 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1329886710; bh=N4t4Wwf1kOWhesG+wtE9mdBBzox+aTz/7ipUyNz8Xus=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=KeudhkmHssB3H4N90QXQUF+M8sW9FObK7gclYskqBB4Yf21xu6Sq6t0LP6qjy702n berJrab5XhbzZjraEpYzXO0YyEeIlS+WAx1dGxD4mEursWipKoeURWGbff1Aw9xJoE S+LbF+XrmLwfG0G7CQ1j1WYUd1MgwvjbevCb/f1A= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:431157504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33864f4475f50b7c X-AOL-IP: 174.101.236.151 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:58:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--607818398 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like how old school this list is. Reading of better formats reminded me of how older discussion would start and loop for a few days, until eventually kim would step up and give his reasons why he made this list the way it is. Amazing to me, LD still runs the way it did when i first discovered. Kim even still appears from time to time. Not sure how much behind the scenes stuff is going or who's involved in the day-to-day, but I'd like to believe that no one is and it's simply the genius of kim flint still looping. This list ..reminds me of ... . when i first discovered looping. - this list and community was the bible of looping for me ...when kim and mathias were giving edp instruction in every other post ...when we all speculated on how the repeater would rule the world (EDP!) tq On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Jeffrey Collins wrote: > I say it like this. It's easy to bitch about things, but when it > comes to putting your money where your mouth is, well that's where > most people fall flat. It's a difficult thing for coders to begin a > web forum. Someone could do it and call it loopersforum.com then > those of us who wanted to switch, could. Those of us who love it > this way, can stay here. It's just a matter of someone putting their > mind to it and doing it. > > BTW, this is not meant to go to just one person. I'm not singling > anyone out on this. I'm just stating for the record that most people > will talk...not do. > > Jeffrey > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, joy_top top > wrote: > Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't respond with > the same subject line. Many times I only get the first couple > sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why my > voice isn't heard here very much. > Denis, Monterey Bay & IA > > "But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS > establishes an interactive online repository that does not require > every message to bounce around all the users. Its just grossly > inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia > limited. I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the peanut > gallery. ;)" > --Apple-Mail-4--607818398 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like how old school this = list is.  Reading of better formats reminded me of how older = discussion would start and loop for a few days, until eventually kim = would step up and give his reasons why he made this list the way it = is. 

Amazing to me,  LD still runs = the way it did when i first discovered. Kim even still appears from time = to time. Not sure how much behind the scenes stuff is going or who's = involved in the day-to-day, but I'd like to believe that no one is and = it's simply the genius of kim flint still = looping.

This list ..reminds me = of ...
. when i first discovered = looping. - this list and community was the bible of looping for = me
= ...when kim and mathias were giving edp instruction in every = other post
...when we all speculated on how = the repeater would rule the world = (EDP!)

tq


On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Jeffrey Collins wrote:

I say it = like this. It's easy to bitch about things, but when it comes to putting = your money where your mouth is, well that's where most people fall flat. = It's a difficult thing for coders to begin a web forum. Someone could do = it and call it loopersforum.com = then those of us who wanted to switch, could. Those of us who love it = this way, can stay here. It's just a matter of someone putting their = mind to it and doing it.

BTW, this is not meant to = go to just one person. I'm not singling anyone out on this. I'm just = stating for the record that most people will talk...not = do.

Jeffrey

= On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, joy_top top <joy_top@hotmail.com> = wrote:
Ditto, This list doesn't word wrap for me and I can't = respond with the same subject line. Many times I only get the first = couple sentences and the rest runs several pages to the right. It is why = my voice isn't heard here very much.
Denis, Monterey Bay & = IA

"But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS = establishes  an interactive online repository that does not require = every message to bounce around all the users. Its just grossly = inefficient in storage and bandwith. Not to mention its multimedia = limited.  I'm just sayin. Just a suggestion from the peanut = gallery. ;)"
=


= --Apple-Mail-4--607818398-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 05:10:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31426183477; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEAC12RE8yaAQq/2dsb2JhbABDsl2CegEBAQMBOAJECwtGVzOHZrg+jQEBAgsEBQoDCgMCCg0BCgEBAgECAQIChRyBAoI7YwSIT5JGjS8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,461,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="214611168" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.4.42] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.4.42 Message-Id: <97CF5943-1903-42CB-B796-89B34F6DF52A@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <62019F4E-9EA7-4BC6-A857-E45C330DFB97@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: This list... was BBS format Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:16:51 -0600 References: <62019F4E-9EA7-4BC6-A857-E45C330DFB97@aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:10:03 +0000 (UTC) > Kim even still appears from time to time. Unfortunately, no...he was killed in a cycling accident a while ago. I'm sure you can find the details in the archives. Sorry to give you that news. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 06:31:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 040A2183477; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.28.169; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=AxuF7uW9Otq7PB+OfhvJzLAZkc96/Le8eyGt2qtpjlU=; b=E7InM9H1q7QeXZBXtIRAVfhbrlvE479PiTShgrqzkwDdJtmCcyaUWr15Hmcidirj32 Kv1nQUN9pxmrA/Tjwr9hfpc51sQbqzKKFVq9JZ9QxTSj4q8dAjaHOuVTKGG+ZLVd/BG5 XqyDRLhxXTWfZuDjc76Nw290HOWCeNlx9/FKE= References: <62019F4E-9EA7-4BC6-A857-E45C330DFB97@aol.com> <97CF5943-1903-42CB-B796-89B34F6DF52A@frontier.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <97CF5943-1903-42CB-B796-89B34F6DF52A@frontier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:31:25 +0100 Message-ID: <-8609259126470175430@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: This list... was BBS format To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:31:30 +0000 (UTC) I think he knew that Jeff.. and I know what he means! You just try sending a mail to LD using the wrong mail address, Kim sends you a mail and reminds you politely but firmly what a dolt you are... I cry every time... mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 22 Feb 2012, at 06:10, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> Kim even still appears from time to time. > > Unfortunately, no...he was killed in a cycling accident a while ago. I'm sure you can find the details in the archives. > > Sorry to give you that news. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 06:38:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C4EA183460; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEALmMRE8yaAQq/2dsb2JhbABEsmSCegEBAQMBOAItFwsLRleIGbcSiWSCYTwBAgsEBQoDCgMCCg0BCgICAwECAoUcgQKCO2MEiE+SRo0vgTQIAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,461,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="228944300" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.4.42] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.4.42 Message-Id: <00741EB2-53DB-412F-82D1-13D424A7F22B@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <-8609259126470175430@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: This list... was BBS format Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:45:32 -0600 References: <62019F4E-9EA7-4BC6-A857-E45C330DFB97@aol.com> <97CF5943-1903-42CB-B796-89B34F6DF52A@frontier.com> <-8609259126470175430@unknownmsgid> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:38:45 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:31 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I think he knew that Jeff.. and I know what he means! You just try > sending a mail to LD using the wrong mail address, Kim sends you a > mail and reminds you politely but firmly what a dolt you are... Okay, I gotcha. I wondered if that's what he meant...I just wasn't sure. I thought long and hard about whether or not to send that message, but I figured (just in case, he hadn't heard), I wanted to be as tactful as possible. Anyway, the list carries on. Back to the thread...I kind of like things the old-school way, too. I'm not sure I'd follow a BB version of this list very closely. Actually, I don't even know why I'm here--but I stick around, mostly for the conversation and the company. lol Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 10:50:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC593183486; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <62019F4E-9EA7-4BC6-A857-E45C330DFB97@aol.com> References: <62019F4E-9EA7-4BC6-A857-E45C330DFB97@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:50:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Violet Xoxox Subject: Re: This list... was BBS format Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:50:45 +0000 (UTC) openjam@aol.com wrote: >Amazing to me, LD still runs the way it did when i first discovered. >Kim even still appears from time to time. Not sure how much behind the >scenes stuff is going or who's involved in the day-to-day, but I'd like >to believe that no one is and it's simply the genius of kim flint still >looping. I won't burst your bubble, then. I'll just say that Kim was a genius, but even he couldn't swing that. ;) mark francombe wrote: >I think he knew that Jeff.. and I know what he means! You just try >sending a mail to LD using the wrong mail address, Kim sends you a >mail and reminds you politely but firmly what a dolt you are... I cry >every time... Somewhere I'm sure Kim is crying over that too, Mark. Or laughing. LOL Jeff Shirkey wrote: >Actually, I don't even know why I'm here--but I stick around, mostly >for the conversation and the company. lol That right there is what makes it special. In a [cyber]world where most people are "expressing themselves" via text messages and tweets and status updates, having an actual conversation is a rare thing. It's getting harder and harder to find people who can write more than a single sentence any more. And to think this is what's called "progress".... If you think about it, even though mailing lists in general may be "old-fashioned," the way this particular list was designed and the principles under which it operates are actually pretty cutting edge. (There's only been one other mailing list that operated the same way, and it was one of mine. Our lists were a carefully thought out social experiment that paid off, but it was a lot of work having to repeatedly explain the concept to members, who were used to a lifetime of authority figures telling them what they could and couldn't do.) I think that's the reason LD has continued to thrive as other mailing lists fell by the wayside. If you give people a place where they can form a true community, one where they're in charge and are free to discuss and interact without a crapload of rules and regulations and TOSs and limits, they not only appreciate it, but they will defend and protect it. The reason this list succeeds is because you guys care about it and put yourselves into it and make it what YOU want it to be, and in today's bland cookiecutter world of social networking sites where we're herded into little pens and kept in line and are barely more than numbers and commodities to the corporations that run them, with our personal information being sucked out at an alarming rate and given to advertisers to pester the snot out of us, and with privacy policies, boundaries, and even user interface designs changing minute-to-minute, having a place where people can talk and connect like real PEOPLE is unique. Just for fun I went hunting to see if I could find any explanations Kim might have written and turned this up from a few years' back: Looper's Delight has always operated under principles of freedom of expression and individual responsibility. That is why the community is so strong. There is no authority available to censor anybody else, nor is there any need for it. The community manages and regulates itself just fine. (a reasonable example of a functional anarchy, in fact.) The biggest difference between Kim and me is that he could be succinct. LOL Okay, I'm done yapping. I get so excited talking about this, the way the list operates, because Kim and I spent so many hours having deep discussions about stuff like this and I miss that desperately. I don't believe I'll ever find anyone else in my lifetime that I can talk to the way I could talk to him, and I'll spend the rest of my life struggling to comprehend how life could be this cruel and never being able to understand. Violet xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 10:56:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28F49183489; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.28.169; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=SIBYjm7Npjfk0zWo6brCtHyjwlwLK2tuffux0RgsiCE=; b=dWPiLaDUBcXNLGdva3HboK9Ayy4yHwVCnHPo6VuW0ouyVeomGEdV7klWZTVFPHHuaq 9RdrrkKTrbhcTRNJzDgwuJfLJzkY/0zhAmHTuujmHeKax6+rN8USOQTUgvWNT8A82sA0 QfkPw+/FFpupXFFapP1MnfHKLgo0wPj72EiNM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <62019F4E-9EA7-4BC6-A857-E45C330DFB97@aol.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:56:24 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QQogp6UYX6nVvF_wb4mdJdhhzn8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: This list... was BBS format To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d8321a932704b98b62b4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:56:46 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d8321a932704b98b62b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't think even Kim could have said it any better... Thanks Violet for your continued support on Loopers Delight, for many of us, LD and Kim changed our life. Regards Mark On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Violet Xoxox wrote: > openjam@aol.com wrote: > >Amazing to me, LD still runs the way it did when i first discovered. > >Kim even still appears from time to time. Not sure how much behind the > >scenes stuff is going or who's involved in the day-to-day, but I'd like > >to believe that no one is and it's simply the genius of kim flint still > >looping. > > I won't burst your bubble, then. I'll just say that Kim was a genius, but > even he couldn't swing that. ;) > > mark francombe wrote: > >I think he knew that Jeff.. and I know what he means! You just try > >sending a mail to LD using the wrong mail address, Kim sends you a > >mail and reminds you politely but firmly what a dolt you are... I cry > >every time... > > Somewhere I'm sure Kim is crying over that too, Mark. Or laughing. LOL > > Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >Actually, I don't even know why I'm here--but I stick around, mostly > >for the conversation and the company. lol > > That right there is what makes it special. In a [cyber]world where most > people are "expressing themselves" via text messages and tweets and status > updates, having an actual conversation is a rare thing. It's getting > harder and harder to find people who can write more than a single sentence > any more. And to think this is what's called "progress".... > > If you think about it, even though mailing lists in general may be > "old-fashioned," the way this particular list was designed and the > principles under which it operates are actually pretty cutting edge. > (There's only been one other mailing list that operated the same way, and > it was one of mine. Our lists were a carefully thought out social > experiment that paid off, but it was a lot of work having to repeatedly > explain the concept to members, who were used to a lifetime of authority > figures telling them what they could and couldn't do.) > > I think that's the reason LD has continued to thrive as other mailing lists > fell by the wayside. If you give people a place where they can form a true > community, one where they're in charge and are free to discuss and interact > without a crapload of rules and regulations and TOSs and limits, they not > only appreciate it, but they will defend and protect it. The reason this > list succeeds is because you guys care about it and put yourselves into it > and make it what YOU want it to be, and in today's bland cookiecutter world > of social networking sites where we're herded into little pens and kept in > line and are barely more than numbers and commodities to the corporations > that run them, with our personal information being sucked out at an > alarming rate and given to advertisers to pester the snot out of us, and > with privacy policies, boundaries, and even user interface designs changing > minute-to-minute, having a place where people can talk and connect like > real PEOPLE is unique. > > Just for fun I went hunting to see if I could find any explanations Kim > might have written and turned this up from a few years' back: > > Looper's Delight has always operated under principles of freedom of > expression and individual responsibility. That is why the community is so > strong. There is no authority available to censor anybody else, nor is > there any need for it. The community manages and regulates itself just > fine. (a reasonable example of a functional anarchy, in fact.) > > The biggest difference between Kim and me is that he could be succinct. > LOL > > Okay, I'm done yapping. I get so excited talking about this, the way the > list operates, because Kim and I spent so many hours having deep > discussions about stuff like this and I miss that desperately. I don't > believe I'll ever find anyone else in my lifetime that I can talk to the > way I could talk to him, and I'll spend the rest of my life struggling to > comprehend how life could be this cruel and never being able to understand. > > Violet > xoxox > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d8321a932704b98b62b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think even Kim could have said it any better...

Thanks V= iolet for your continued support on Loopers Delight, for many of us, LD and= Kim changed our life.

Regards

Mark

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Violet Xoxox <violet@missviolet.com> wro= te:
openjam@aol.com wr= ote:
>Amazing to me, =A0LD still runs the way it did when i first discovered.=
>Kim even still appears from time to time. Not sure how much behind the<= br> >scenes stuff is going or who's involved in the day-to-day, but I= 9;d like
>to believe that no one is and it's simply the genius of kim flint s= till
>looping.

I won't burst your bubble, then. =A0I'll just say that Kim wa= s a genius, but
even he couldn't swing that. =A0 ;)

mark francombe <markfrancombe= @gmail.com> wrote:
>I think he knew that Jeff.. and I know what he means! You just try
>sending a mail to LD using the wrong mail address, Kim sends you a
>mail and reminds you politely but firmly what a dolt you are... I= cry
>every time...

Somewhere I'm sure Kim is crying over that too, Mark. =A0Or laughing. = =A0LOL

Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier= .com> wrote:
>Actually, I don't even know why I'm here--but I stick around, m= ostly
>for the =A0conversation and the company. lol

That right there is what makes it special. =A0In a [cyber]world where= most
people are "expressing themselves" via text messages and tweets a= nd status
updates, having an actual conversation is a rare thing. =A0It's getting=
harder and harder to find people who can write more than a single sentence<= br> any more. =A0And to think this is what's called "progress"...= .

If you think about it, even though mailing lists in general may be
"old-fashioned," the way this particular list was designed and th= e
principles under which it operates are actually pretty cutting edge.
(There's only been one other mailing list that operated the same way, a= nd
it was one of mine. =A0Our lists were a carefully thought out social
experiment that paid off, but it was a lot of work having to repeatedly
explain the concept to members, who were used to a lifetime of authority figures telling them what they could and couldn't do.)

I think that's the reason LD has continued to thrive as other mailing l= ists
fell by the wayside. =A0If you give people a place where they can form a tr= ue
community, one where they're in charge and are free to discuss and inte= ract
without a crapload of rules and regulations and TOSs and limits, they not only appreciate it, but they will defend and protect it. =A0The reason this=
list succeeds is because you guys care about it and put yourselves into it<= br> and make it what YOU want it to be, and in today's bland cookiecutter w= orld
of social networking sites where we're herded into little pens and kept= in
line and are barely more than numbers and commodities to the corporations that run them, with our personal information being sucked out at an
alarming rate and given to advertisers to pester the snot out of us, and with privacy policies, boundaries, and even user interface designs changing=
minute-to-minute, having a place where people can talk and connect like
real PEOPLE is unique.

Just for fun I went hunting to see if I could find any explanations Kim
might have written and turned this up from a few years' back:

=A0 Looper's Delight has always operated under principles of freedom o= f
=A0 expression and individual responsibility. That is why the community is= so
=A0 strong. There is no authority available to censor anybody else, nor is=
=A0 there any need for it. The community manages and regulates itself just=
=A0 fine. (a reasonable example of a functional anarchy, in fact.)

The biggest difference between Kim and me is that he could be succinct. =A0= LOL

Okay, I'm done yapping. =A0I get so excited talking about this, the way= the
list operates, because Kim and I spent so many hours having deep
discussions about stuff like this and I miss that desperately. =A0I don'= ;t
believe I'll ever find anyone else in my lifetime that I can talk to th= e
way I could talk to him, and I'll spend the rest of my life struggling = to
comprehend how life could be this cruel and never being able to understand.=

Violet
xoxox





--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec554d8321a932704b98b62b4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 11:08:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B40AA18348B; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <60E419D276BE46979BD68D97298927F1@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: So when is LD going to a standard BBS?, Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:08:57 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0094_01CCF152.5F192F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:08:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CCF152.5F192F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you don=E2=80=99t like it so much, use the Facebook forum. From: Scott Hansen=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: So when is LD going to a standard BBS?, i know this has been discussed before, and someone did start their own = livelooping forum a while back.... which the 1st time i saw it i thought it was "weird"=20 but now that i'm on the gear page (way too much), i see the difference. = i see this more "linear" and TGP can be all over the place....but i find myself using them both = the same, if there are topics of interest, i read, respond, if not, i = skip over....it entertains me i guess.... i will say that there is a lot of looping discussion on TGP-and 2 recent = threads are "the looping thread" and the other is about "livelooping", = there has been some interesting stuff talked about...but i will admit, a = lot of posts seem to be " what kind of looper should i get". i often = wonder if people do searches anymore? oh well. s--- ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CCF152.5F192F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you don=E2=80=99t like it so much, use the Facebook forum.
 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:49 AM
Subject: So when is LD going to a standard = BBS?,
 
i know this has been discussed before, and someone did start their = own=20 livelooping forum a while back....
which the 1st time i saw it i thought it was "weird"
but now that i'm on the gear page (way too much), i see the = difference. i=20 see this more "linear"
and TGP can be all over the place....but i find myself using them = both the=20 same, if there are topics of interest, i read, respond, if not, i skip=20 over....it entertains me i guess....
i will say that there is a lot of looping discussion on TGP-and 2 = recent=20 threads are "the looping thread" and the other is about "livelooping", = there has=20 been some interesting stuff talked about...but i will admit, a lot of = posts seem=20 to be " what kind of looper should i get". i often wonder if people do = searches=20 anymore?
oh well.
s---
------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CCF152.5F192F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 12:18:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 112BC18348D; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F44DD25.5090901@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:18:45 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Violet Xoxox , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: This list... was BBS format References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:18:54 +0000 (UTC) .....a beautiful, heartfelt, intelligent and well constructed post, Violet. I'll break my own "keep the daily digest succinct rule" and copy all of it for those who missed the original. Kim would be really fucking proud of you for having penned it. Thanks........and thanks for continuing to let this list and this website live on. Thanks to his memory and his vision of this community that he didn't control. sincerely, Rick Walker On 2/22/12 2:50 AM, Violet Xoxox wrote: > openjam@aol.com wrote: >> Amazing to me, LD still runs the way it did when i first discovered. >> Kim even still appears from time to time. Not sure how much behind the >> scenes stuff is going or who's involved in the day-to-day, but I'd like >> to believe that no one is and it's simply the genius of kim flint still >> looping. > I won't burst your bubble, then. I'll just say that Kim was a genius, but > even he couldn't swing that. ;) > > mark francombe wrote: >> I think he knew that Jeff.. and I know what he means! You just try >> sending a mail to LD using the wrong mail address, Kim sends you a >> mail and reminds you politely but firmly what a dolt you are... I cry >> every time... > Somewhere I'm sure Kim is crying over that too, Mark. Or laughing. LOL > > Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> Actually, I don't even know why I'm here--but I stick around, mostly >> for the conversation and the company. lol > That right there is what makes it special. In a [cyber]world where most > people are "expressing themselves" via text messages and tweets and status > updates, having an actual conversation is a rare thing. It's getting > harder and harder to find people who can write more than a single sentence > any more. And to think this is what's called "progress".... > > If you think about it, even though mailing lists in general may be > "old-fashioned," the way this particular list was designed and the > principles under which it operates are actually pretty cutting edge. > (There's only been one other mailing list that operated the same way, and > it was one of mine. Our lists were a carefully thought out social > experiment that paid off, but it was a lot of work having to repeatedly > explain the concept to members, who were used to a lifetime of authority > figures telling them what they could and couldn't do.) > > I think that's the reason LD has continued to thrive as other mailing lists > fell by the wayside. If you give people a place where they can form a true > community, one where they're in charge and are free to discuss and interact > without a crapload of rules and regulations and TOSs and limits, they not > only appreciate it, but they will defend and protect it. The reason this > list succeeds is because you guys care about it and put yourselves into it > and make it what YOU want it to be, and in today's bland cookiecutter world > of social networking sites where we're herded into little pens and kept in > line and are barely more than numbers and commodities to the corporations > that run them, with our personal information being sucked out at an > alarming rate and given to advertisers to pester the snot out of us, and > with privacy policies, boundaries, and even user interface designs changing > minute-to-minute, having a place where people can talk and connect like > real PEOPLE is unique. > > Just for fun I went hunting to see if I could find any explanations Kim > might have written and turned this up from a few years' back: > > Looper's Delight has always operated under principles of freedom of > expression and individual responsibility. That is why the community is so > strong. There is no authority available to censor anybody else, nor is > there any need for it. The community manages and regulates itself just > fine. (a reasonable example of a functional anarchy, in fact.) > > The biggest difference between Kim and me is that he could be succinct. LOL > > Okay, I'm done yapping. I get so excited talking about this, the way the > list operates, because Kim and I spent so many hours having deep > discussions about stuff like this and I miss that desperately. I don't > believe I'll ever find anyone else in my lifetime that I can talk to the > way I could talk to him, and I'll spend the rest of my life struggling to > comprehend how life could be this cruel and never being able to understand. > > Violet > xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 13:12:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C91318348D; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.178.73 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.178.73; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.178.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WWAob46Go/MKBYJANcUm7As/aVxHhFnmgw/dn3rG6KI=; b=YAKm4Rveo5uVQPNfyZvxJpaYAvFG20xr2MjtxqJINSkvXmO6KwaYhn9yjybb+NKgqb x9+R0KuRwbvb7ScIlDxMfLJzVJE3LXzLUmqTszk9YYu9Rif69s4wRtwUht14hl5pptn7 EfKUZbQd74yJ3QDzvH82qfQ+2iq9G3ti+m+N4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F44DD25.5090901@cruzio.com> References: <4F44DD25.5090901@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:12:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: This list... was BBS format From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:12:54 +0000 (UTC) "and in today's bland cookiecutter world of social networking sites where we're herded into little pens and kept in line and are barely more than numbers and commodities to the corporations that run them, with our personal information being sucked out at an alarming rate and given to advertisers to pester the snot out of us, and with privacy policies, boundaries, and even user interface designs changing minute-to-minute, having a place where people can talk and connect like real PEOPLE is unique." Left me speechless. Thank you Violet for these words. -Petri- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 13:21:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CC9E183491; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.169.9 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.169.9; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.169.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=PLkv/zuQiY90L7qTySdP0IFYL4sr+On8IJZEGixnFKM=; b=FkCir49u3FARml/51+f3hH6+g3ekUrBSt1ySw2MVoKYj6eeZys3fIoqM05XbkiD5oC KXY6z4IDLpX9trCGmVWrwnHzJY79XAs82drWSd6e0NfFSIjBKkUiu0Fc5TW/Dp8stfqn IxPsmw0VK62HK1fMXfttWODKus7PKVGAql7uA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F440647.4010404@gmail.com> References: <4F440647.4010404@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:21:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BBS format From: Petri Lahtinen To: 7stringjazz@gmail.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Well, once again the ye olde "why this list is from the stone age" conversation. Its a loop, too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 13:23:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E970183495; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.42.176.200 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.42.176.200; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.42.176.200 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nbSl6SIXrOBW/PbvdKee/xdIAJXI2luAOZU4UAf0WGQ=; b=W2wlUDLPIv1NcftY2Ka8TiOjFdZtfmQGL10OZHfpuC60cH/vF8o/hCfwEK6paXDR2z 6zgJxbSJy3XrRI6CanmtWdpmqVQKbHCOMuhZjiLacGSiDFbP5XAVlLYbPEW1UPbpTj0U mLX6OV1TdxVbPMkxERRVZ3D1E8Hfnw/+T5C8c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F432ECA.3070505@gmail.com> References: <4F4308E7.3070506@gmail.com> <4F432ECA.3070505@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:23:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: So when is LD going to a standard BBS? From: Petri Lahtinen To: 7stringjazz@gmail.com Cc: Loopergroup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <5Q1zI.A.gsC.MxORPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Of course you are an avid user of Looper's Delight FB-page? 2012/2/21 7stringjazz : > But it is broke. Its 2012 guys, not 1971 arpanet. A BBS establishes=A0 an > interactive online repository that does not require every message to boun= ce > around all the users. Its just grossly inefficient in storage and bandwit= h. > Not to mention its multimedia limited.=A0 I'm just sayin. Just a suggesti= on > from the peanut gallery. ;) > > On 2/20/2012 8:51 PM, Jeffrey Collins wrote: > > if it ain't broke don't fix it. > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:00 PM, 7stringjazz wrot= e: >> >> Hi people, long time lurker on LD. Lot of great info sharing for the mos= t >> part. Just wondering when/if =A0LD is going to migrate an online discuss= ion >> board instead of the mailing list? My mailbox has 10s of 1000s of emails= in >> it! Best, 7 >> -- >> http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz >> > > > > -- > http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz --=20 Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 13:31:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9CC0183495; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.137.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.137.18; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.137.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mfYQ3y4wkr4LqP9j5v4IVisTVTd1xHWyFGZyEzxqreE=; b=rWt60V1mDKhcPaMMOicxHrWKsdpWET8WR0OAKhOlpV7+W0vesVDNmkvsFAKp0HYv6O ePT9hartjYKoFNa+2GAbBZNadBcB+QQtzZ6wKz2CpoiQRNfWvHn1+zkVJX4brBpmiXQs RV9dtH77Db+HEz7Nu9ih5QrJRnd/HZkGTqHss= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F440647.4010404@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:31:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BBS format From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Petri nails it =85 Loop on. ~~Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Well, once again the ye olde "why this list is from the stone age" conver= sation. > Its a loop, too. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 13:48:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05E91183497; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=helpwantedproductions.com; b=Zkb7Ng2hQYhZ/kjUMQwyC4EbS58k5X70q8cKAdMbMB2Ega1wwC15FX8ZLy0Pc prgjjBAnrfi4rEI99Ito85YLtJPPepavelJGJG3PD4mBla+fXe8rNpob5DS4+gGI XgQIfBToqgAlNTYmhAzt5lxGrZvUyFNGi8HFz/GOma4+4Q= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=Lao/s HWgVsJBfs/VrNFKJbqDFZ8=; b=WsEn4bCpTHQzkOnYPE1DXuFaQutQDyclwC59a rNnXiJQqeWXuManOH4UwGCptpvAf4a0bpw0MK1ib1zFA30/vqRnod/nz3j2n5S1A vk9hYhQ03ArKFpw1No0wb4uaDutJpRu/mKS8aD5214dNhyl/GQjWGOmZch+7BoSM OKgQgo= Message-ID: <768763ab79985ec980343ff3957ae194.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:48:31 -0800 Subject: Mystery Synth Contest :) From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Loopers Delight" , "DH" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3RgnyD.A.LFD.xIPRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:48:33 +0000 (UTC) I've posted an audio demo and Mystery Synth contest on my Synth Blog for anyone interested. Is it Vintage? Analog? Digital? Modular? Software? Check out the post, have fun guessing, and win some cool free Electronic music: http://synthandi.blogspot.com/2012/02/mystery-synth-luv.html To make things more fun there are prizes for the right guess AND to the 15th and 30th person to submit a guess. So even if you have no idea you might "win"! There is a link on the post for emailing responses. A few creative ones have already showed up :) --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 15:08:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B625C18348A; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.73.97 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.73.97; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.73.97 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=WWrPwvCO6HJZsGpy8g/LgaPSzRZ42f4ocIvQXH0TGN8=; b=Lrby1sl148cuAqiR+AyUgCzRlMpnj9C62PLPKgOyExYj3aaa/TtEo4zsL4uLm2w/ij pEyczU9ZsyloPq2mwkBOJXbkBJL7yrhODegVabKKfTHKhnQ6eEbw9fodbGGG97OYqTM9 51thAhg4Yb9dMLqmq83cUQo3huUZcbCG5ZaSQ= Subject: Re: Mystery Synth Contest :) References: <768763ab79985ec980343ff3957ae194.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <768763ab79985ec980343ff3957ae194.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Message-Id: <4ECA8F98-CD25-41BD-B476-75C74DA70C2C@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:08:00 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:08:05 +0000 (UTC) I say analogue Kaylon On Feb 22, 2012, at 5:48 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > I've posted an audio demo and Mystery Synth contest on my Synth Blog for > anyone interested. > > Is it Vintage? Analog? Digital? Modular? Software? > > Check out the post, have fun guessing, and win some cool free Electronic > music: http://synthandi.blogspot.com/2012/02/mystery-synth-luv.html > > To make things more fun there are prizes for the right guess AND to the > 15th and 30th person to submit a guess. So even if you have no idea you > might "win"! > > There is a link on the post for emailing responses. A few creative ones > have already showed up :) > > > > --------------------------------------- > NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com > DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices > "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" > > Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: > http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 15:19:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F54518347A; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sylvain.trombone@gmail.com designates 10.182.141.9 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.141.9; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sylvain.trombone@gmail.com designates 10.182.141.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sylvain.trombone@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sylvain.trombone@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FcE8clpvFcLfplGi3RAL2DfqgHEpnEvJJT6hSTCKePY=; b=CD0xGzy+eu2B4W3z8wTlBpR3maIy20uT8/TpoDCFBdcQZawd81MYVAnciztjSjkeOp WFB51PfRTYeCH/0cvGnw3PfZC5q3WY8DV6bWOiDMmK8eEU+VeWgrFCqv8G+nY4pnsUx1 CmVTqgtBmsFX+kq0/0YDZqabChsTAOES0GqqA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F3F840F.70409@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F3F840F.70409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:19:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music School/Theory From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6428ecb8633304b98f0db9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:19:29 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6428ecb8633304b98f0db9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Personally, I'm always drawn to works of art that have a great deal of conceptual meat to gnaw on and warrant further analysis. Such analysis in music is hardly ever done without reference to theory, history, tradition and so on. Also, knowing a bit of theory and being very familiar with notation gives me the tools to create complex architectural pieces... it's like seeing the blueprint before building the house. And this is true for all styles I've dabbled in from straight-ahead jazz to electro-acoustic compositions. Sylvain --e89a8f6428ecb8633304b98f0db9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Personally, I'm always drawn to works of art that have a great deal of = conceptual meat to gnaw on and warrant further analysis. =A0Such analysis i= n music is hardly ever done without reference to theory, history, tradition= and so on. =A0Also, knowing a bit of theory and being very familiar with n= otation gives me the tools to create complex architectural pieces... =A0it&= #39;s like seeing the blueprint before building the house. =A0And this is t= rue for all styles I've dabbled in from straight-ahead jazz to electro-= acoustic compositions.
Sylvain
--e89a8f6428ecb8633304b98f0db9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 15:29:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFB3E18348A; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sylvain.trombone@gmail.com designates 10.60.12.8 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.12.8; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sylvain.trombone@gmail.com designates 10.60.12.8 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sylvain.trombone@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sylvain.trombone@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AMQBDGkjVtUM+ARkcClk76NnwgQtZADVRuNMnugGrcc=; b=l2tANqrijhjXXz5jKcDRX/kTWHh6o7nU1JL1VF85DYKpZyJ0QydkCkKWRbfSGZgwKT ztaRLJypq1+u7FM1JAHVk6aIv6keqIelcYebTITo35HWUvloEyopztYKgKqSqPpjnFNe /YVCqQ20axwTeB6h3ePMTVtMS9kdR1bB8XB+Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F3D5659.6000807@cruzio.com> <51EF2CA8-D55A-46B2-B3C7-58430A33A083@orange.fr> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:29:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1ef56001ccc04b98f337d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:29:55 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1ef56001ccc04b98f337d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've seen this myth debunked so many times... my own development in earlier years was halted by my perceived lack of talent. Eventually, I took lessons with a local pro who shared much of his experience being the lousiest player around, having all the faults you can imagine and working through them to become a phenomenal player. That's my story as well, except for the phenomenal player part... Talent is like a car, if you have one you can to where you're going faster. But anyone who is willing to walk will also get there (and will learn to walk). As a corollary, musicians with little talent tend to be great teachers... they've made all the mistakes and worked through them. Sylvain On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Keith Smith wrote: > There's an interview with this guy on CBC Radio 1 starting in a few > minutes (12:05) MST (-7) if anyone's interested. > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Antony Hequet = wrote: > >> Per I agree with your theory. I think it also has something tp do with >> self confidence. Self talk goes: I have been able to overcome other big >> hurdles before, let's see how I am going to gandle this new one! >> >> Antony Hequet >> Poet composer >> >> On 16 f=E9vr. 2012, at 21:20, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rick Walker >> wrote: >> >> >> http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/a-neuroscientis= t-debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Interesting and thought provoking........not sure whether I agree or >> not but >> >> it >> >> sure raises a lot of questions. >> > >> > >> > Thanks, that was interesting! My own experience is that learning >> > becomes easier the older you get. But it only works if you're leading >> > a learning life in general. And it's not because you become "smarter" >> > with age but because your brain can make more synapse associations for >> > each new step. Instead of drawing a totally new knowledge map in there >> > the older brain just goes >> > "ok-been-there-done-that-been-there-as-well... DANG!!!! Ah, that's new >> > so let's connect here, here and here". It hooks up new stuff to old >> > experience, but a little bit differently this time. Just my personal >> > theory. >> > >> > Greetings from Sweden >> > >> > Per Boysen >> > www.perboysen.com >> > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > >> >> > > > -- > Keith Smith -Guitar > > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca > Photography - www.mymountains.ca > > --e89a8fb1ef56001ccc04b98f337d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've seen this myth debunked so many times... =A0my own development in = earlier years was halted by my perceived lack of talent. =A0Eventually, I t= ook lessons with a local pro who shared much of his experience being the lo= usiest player around, having all the faults you can imagine and working thr= ough them to become a phenomenal player. =A0That's my story as well, ex= cept for the phenomenal player part... =A0Talent is like a car, if you have= one you can to where you're going faster. =A0But anyone who is willing= to walk will also get there (and will learn to walk). =A0As a=A0corollary,= musicians with little talent tend to be great teachers... =A0they've m= ade all the mistakes and worked through them.

Sylvain




On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Keith Smith <kahsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
There's an interview with this guy on CB= C Radio 1 starting in a few minutes (12:05) MST (-7) if anyone's intere= sted.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 a= t 12:11 PM, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@orange.fr> wr= ote:
Per I agree with your theory. I think it als= o has something tp do with self confidence. Self talk goes: I have been abl= e to overcome other big hurdles before, let's see how I am going to gan= dle this new one!

Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 16 f=E9vr. 2012, at 21:20, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/a-neurosci= entist-debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/
>>
>>
>> Interesting and thought provoking........not sure whether I agree = or not but
>> it
>> sure raises a lot of questions.
>
>
> Thanks, that was interesting! My own experience is that learning
> becomes easier the older you get. But it only works if you're lead= ing
> a learning life in general. And it's not because you become "= smarter"
> with age but because your brain can make more synapse associations for=
> each new step. Instead of drawing a totally new knowledge map in there=
> the older brain just goes
> "ok-been-there-done-that-been-there-as-well... DANG!!!! Ah, that&= #39;s new
> so let's connect here, here and here". It hooks up new stuff = to old
> experience, but a little bit differently this time. =A0Just my persona= l
> theory.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen
>




--
Keith Smith -Guitar

= Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
Photography - www.m= ymountains.ca


--e89a8fb1ef56001ccc04b98f337d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 18:32:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6117F183489; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bhWvWUstZvO5/duP9ATj79XzfAj1OFP2PGfTdq/o7a6yC8S7I52/XoKLOzRNosuG; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-34--558971839 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:32:26 -0800 References: <4F3D5659.6000807@cruzio.com> <51EF2CA8-D55A-46B2-B3C7-58430A33A083@orange.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79319668b1dfa827ab82e8aee2af7db2cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.142.17.64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:32:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-34--558971839 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very interesting, and encouraging; I hope every music teacher =20 eventually gets the message (altho my own pedagogical nemesis is too =20 long dead to benefit=97the professor, that is, who responded to my early = =20 request for help with slow progress at the piano by telling me, "You =20 are not talented; you may drop out now and I'll give you a D.") And it clarifies how my own insistence 30 years ago that if I just =20 kept at guitaring long enough I'd eventually get somewhere both worked =20= and didn't. I clearly played more to my strengths than worked on my =20 weaknesses when I returned to it after 35, and DID get somewhere, and =20= DID certainly put in at least 10,000 hours. But my practice certainly =20= wasn't as deliberate as it could have been. There always remained several basic skills that I never could nail, =20 and my weakness with these seemed more like a distinct cognitive =20 failing and not just an unwillingness to work harder at them. The =20 article seems to insist that I could have worked through these issues =20= with enough discipline, but at what cost I still wonder? I wanted =20 gratification more than challenge I guess, and focusing on what I =20 completely sucked at wasn't going to give me that=85 So maybe I was wrong, or maybe I still would have found the challenges =20= too great even if I'd worked harder at what I liked least, and thus =20 have squandered the time I did spend grooving with my bad self=85 Would =20= I have eventually enjoyed myself more if I'd been more desirous of =20 meeting the standards of the craft and less interested in discovering =20= what I could discover within my limitations? I doubt it, and it still seems to me that the latter goal (celebrating =20= uniqueness rather than going for a standard) was, for me at least, a =20 better choice, even though I've since given up playing almost =20 completely, simply because of how many hours a day or week I =20 apparently need to keep up to even my own standards, in favor of =20 another artistic passion for which I seem to be better suited, one =20 whose craft standards I seem to have more perceptual and conceptual =20 affinities with--I get better results faster with it! Life is short=85 I'm still convinced, even with my preferred craft, that there are =20 plenty of esthetic instincts and perceptual skills that can't really =20 be obtained just by working at them, at least at the extremes of =20 wonderfulness. That's not ever stopped me from trying, and maybe it's =20= not a point that there's a practical purpose to making, since keeping =20= hope alive seems generally better than squelching it. But "debunking =20 the myth" of talent seems not just to celebrate perspiration. It seems =20= also to deny the obvious: That physical gifts and distinctive =20 energetic signatures, strange visions and wild uniqueness, are all =20 still at the core of what makes art, and craft, thrilling, inspiring, =20= and ultimately meaningful. That's my experience anyway=85 dpc On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > I've seen this myth debunked so many times... my own development in =20= > earlier years was halted by my perceived lack of talent. =20 > Eventually, I took lessons with a local pro who shared much of his =20 > experience being the lousiest player around, having all the faults =20 > you can imagine and working through them to become a phenomenal =20 > player. That's my story as well, except for the phenomenal player =20 > part... Talent is like a car, if you have one you can to where =20 > you're going faster. But anyone who is willing to walk will also =20 > get there (and will learn to walk). As a corollary, musicians with =20= > little talent tend to be great teachers... they've made all the =20 > mistakes and worked through them. > > Sylvain > > > > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Keith Smith =20 > wrote: > There's an interview with this guy on CBC Radio 1 starting in a few =20= > minutes (12:05) MST (-7) if anyone's interested. > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Antony Hequet = > wrote: > Per I agree with your theory. I think it also has something tp do =20 > with self confidence. Self talk goes: I have been able to overcome =20 > other big hurdles before, let's see how I am going to gandle this =20 > new one! > > Antony Hequet > Poet composer > > On 16 f=E9vr. 2012, at 21:20, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rick Walker =20= > wrote: > >> = http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/a-neuroscientist-= debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/ > >> > >> > >> Interesting and thought provoking........not sure whether I agree =20= > or not but > >> it > >> sure raises a lot of questions. > > > > > > Thanks, that was interesting! My own experience is that learning > > becomes easier the older you get. But it only works if you're =20 > leading > > a learning life in general. And it's not because you become =20 > "smarter" > > with age but because your brain can make more synapse associations =20= > for > > each new step. Instead of drawing a totally new knowledge map in =20 > there > > the older brain just goes > > "ok-been-there-done-that-been-there-as-well... DANG!!!! Ah, that's =20= > new > > so let's connect here, here and here". It hooks up new stuff to old > > experience, but a little bit differently this time. Just my =20 > personal > > theory. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > > --=20 > Keith Smith -Guitar > > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - = www.keithsmith.ca > Photography - www.mymountains.ca > > --Apple-Mail-34--558971839 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very interesting, and = encouraging; I hope every music teacher eventually gets the message = (altho my own pedagogical nemesis is too long dead to benefit=97the = professor, that is, who responded to my early request for help with slow = progress at the piano by telling me, "You are not talented; you may drop = out now and I'll give you a D.")

And it clarifies how = my own insistence 30 years ago that if I just kept at guitaring long = enough I'd eventually get somewhere both worked and didn't. I clearly = played more to my strengths than worked on my weaknesses when I returned = to it after 35, and DID get somewhere, and DID certainly put in at least = 10,000 hours. But my practice certainly wasn't as deliberate as it could = have been.

There always remained several basic = skills that I never could nail, and my weakness with these seemed more = like a distinct cognitive failing and not just an unwillingness to work = harder at them. The article seems to insist that I could have = worked through these issues with enough discipline, but at what = cost I still wonder? I wanted gratification more than challenge I guess, = and focusing on what I completely sucked at wasn't going to give me = that=85

So maybe I was wrong, or maybe I still = would have found the challenges too great even if I'd worked harder at = what I liked least, and thus have squandered the time I did spend = grooving with my bad self=85 Would I have eventually enjoyed myself more = if I'd been more desirous of meeting the standards of the craft and = less interested in discovering what I could discover within my = limitations?

I doubt it, and it still seems to = me that the latter goal (celebrating uniqueness rather than going for a = standard) was, for me at least, a better choice, even though I've = since given up playing almost completely, simply because of how many = hours a day or week I apparently need to keep up to even my own = standards, in favor of another artistic passion for which I seem to be = better suited, one whose craft standards I seem to have more perceptual = and conceptual affinities with--I get better results faster with it! = Life is short=85

I'm still convinced, even with = my preferred craft, that there are plenty of esthetic instincts and = perceptual skills that can't really be obtained just by working at them, = at least at the extremes of wonderfulness. That's not ever stopped me = from trying, and maybe it's not a point that there's a practical purpose = to making, since keeping hope alive seems generally better than = squelching it. But "debunking the myth" of talent seems not just to = celebrate perspiration. It seems also to deny the obvious: That physical = gifts and distinctive energetic signatures, strange visions and wild = uniqueness, are all still at the core of what makes art, and craft, = thrilling, inspiring, and ultimately = meaningful.

That's my experience = anyway=85

dpc


<= /div>

On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras = wrote:

I've seen this myth debunked so many times...  my own = development in earlier years was halted by my perceived lack of talent. =  Eventually, I took lessons with a local pro who shared much of his = experience being the lousiest player around, having all the faults you = can imagine and working through them to become a phenomenal player. =  That's my story as well, except for the phenomenal player part... =  Talent is like a car, if you have one you can to where you're = going faster.  But anyone who is willing to walk will also get = there (and will learn to walk).  As a corollary, musicians = with little talent tend to be great teachers...  they've made all = the mistakes and worked through them.
=
Sylvain




On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Keith Smith <kahsmith@gmail.com> = wrote:
There's an interview = with this guy on CBC Radio 1 starting in a few minutes (12:05) MST (-7) = if anyone's interested.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at = 12:11 PM, Antony Hequet <antony.hequet@orange.fr> wrote:
=
Per I agree with your = theory. I think it also has something tp do with self confidence. Self = talk goes: I have been able to overcome other big hurdles before, let's = see how I am going to gandle this new one!

Antony Hequet
Poet composer
=

On 16 f=E9vr. 2012, at 21:20, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On = Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02= /a-neuroscientist-debunks-the-myth-of-musical-instinct/253125/
= >>
>>
>> Interesting and thought = provoking........not sure whether I agree or not but
>> it
= >> sure raises a lot of questions.
>
>
> = Thanks, that was interesting! My own experience is that learning
= > becomes easier the older you get. But it only works if you're = leading
> a learning life in general. And it's not because you = become "smarter"
> with age but because your brain can make more = synapse associations for
> each new step. Instead of drawing a = totally new knowledge map in there
> the older brain just = goes
> "ok-been-there-done-that-been-there-as-well... DANG!!!! = Ah, that's new
> so let's connect here, here and here". It hooks = up new stuff to old
> experience, but a little bit differently = this time.  Just my personal
> theory.
>
> = Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>

=



--
Keith Smith = -Guitar

Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
Photography - www.mymountains.ca

=


= --Apple-Mail-34--558971839-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 23:10:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB6F7183479; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=helpwantedproductions.com; b=ho0CnKRERqZOfTz7NsTH7QTsllcCP61y50HgP4TBXFB6Mco26wku+QHYk2P9r Iwb+EqjFoS9vOqs5rl67g3sUIFeQUUKoadH3gwq7eg00HweEF5CovVFrajfhTH2V S0UkSh6jCpqhwldRiW8Qnyt/WxiU0FeuuAluGUgFw9aevY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=0Pudo 6zwB2vfjSSk99ou3UVaTE8=; b=vo02zJSrtPUV2nyUwrF1Gjwpf12JFvdeCFj0n ZJr/FlAUDurJChvoVoj+jZRxQBKVARebB0TqjqkQvKjRwoGzq0Vo9ZXm29Sy/BNl 5TuIvZGDoWrQa5pv6JxJbi4yY+4yZBe5ZvUiW4Ij8YU5J4h/dBRxpvm7aLFsuCcr s+NUes= Message-ID: <826f8ed1005ecf859de780e4b7d3922e.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:10:31 -0800 Subject: NYC gig this Friday night... From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3UfzPD.A.8N.oXXRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:10:32 +0000 (UTC) for those into industrial and it's various peripheral and sub genres: William Bennett (of Whitehouse fame) is playing the public Assembly in Brooklyn this Friday night. The bill also has four other acts varying fro= m songs to sonic expiration in beats, noise, and more. Most are rare appearenecs and the collective lineup is both diverse and quite interesting IMO. Bennet's project du jour is Cut Hands and he's damn serious about it's Art. Should be a good show. http://www.publicassemblynyc.com/?wtpage=3Devent&id=3D2390 I'm playing guitar for the David E. Williams set. We go on EArly at 9pm for a short but hyper spirited set of twisted songs of love and hate. (th= e write-up on the PA link pretty accurately describes mr. Williams'=20 oevre.) If you're headed to the show please feel free to say hi. I'm told the show is currently sold out but there may be a small number o= f tickets to be released possibly the day of the show (Friday) . Best to check in with the venue as you see fit. Hope to see some die fly and geek= y faces there! --=20 --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 02:20:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12C3C183473; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F45A262.8020504@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:20:18 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #776 for February 16, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:20:22 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120216.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #776 February 16, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8349 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Blue Book" on NeuHarmony Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#feb PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Phillip Wilkerson Among the Nebulae The Stars and Afterward (none) Wendy Carlos Spring Sonic Seasonings (East Side Digital) cyberCHUMP Dread Their Moment of Perfect Happiness (Internal Combustion) Amongst Myselves Up Into the Air and Ambient, Landscape and Space Over the Edge (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Amongst Myselves Tales * Ambient, Landscape and Space (none) Paul Nagle Power Haus Blue Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Wassernixe Blue Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle XYZZY Blue Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Fugsamkeit Blue Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Abstimmen Blue Book (NeuHarmony) Paul Nagle Erfrierung Blue Book (NeuHarmony) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Twilight" on BogusFocus Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 02:50:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ACBA183479; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F45A977.8030406@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:50:31 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for February 18, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Pu8c.A.q9B.7laRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:50:35 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2012/120218.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #218 February 18, 2012. On this program, I played the music of Mark Jenkins and of Wave world. Both acts will be coming to play in the Lehigh Valley at the Soundscapes Concert Series. http://soundscapes.us Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Andy Pickford Derby Guildhall Sequences No. 17 and Dave Barker] Mark Jenkins Cyclical The iPad Album (AMP) Wave World Revelation Hieroglyphs (VFR) Cyber Zen Sound River Reflecting the Cooperation (none) Engine Stars Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Deuter Sound of Invisible Reiki Healing (New Earth) Water Tron Syversen The Beginning Peaceful Journey (none) Uwe Gronau Jardin Exotique Time Rider (none) Forastiere Studio n. 4 From 1 To 8 (Candy Rat) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Six Elements Childhood Books Primary Elements (none) John Irvine Band Hubbub Wait & See (none) American Hollow Gravity Whisper Campaign (none) VA [Ozone Player] Putting the Devil Decameron (Musea) in Hell VA [Castle Canyon] The Poison Heart Decameron (Musea) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 03:35:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390A0183489; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F45B400.3050405@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:35:28 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: The Soundscapes Concert Series Presents Mark Jenkins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:35:31 +0000 (UTC) CONCERT ANNOUNCEMENT: Friday, March 23, the Soundscapes Concert Series returns to the Nazareth Center for the Arts with Mark Jenkins of the UK. A leading figure in the UK's electronic music scene for over 20 years, Mark Jenkins has performed as a member of WHITE NOISE and with singer ARTHUR BROWN and members of Can, Gong, Van Der Graaf Generator, and Tangerine Dream. He is the author of the acclaimed book and CD "ANALOG SYNTHESIZERS" and is the first musician in the world to release a CD created entirely on the Apple iPad. Mark has created music for concert performances, advertising, TV and CD releases and has performed at the London Planetarium, London Royal Greenwich Observatory Planetarium, London South Bank, Carnegie Science Center Pittsburgh, National Theatre Brazil, and in France, Holland and China. Doors open at 7:30 pm and the concert is at 8:00 pm. The concert is free. Donations are requested to support the musician and to enable the Nazareth Center for the Arts to pay operating expenses. The NCA is located at 30 Belvidere Street, Nazareth, PA 18064 just off of Route 191 on the southwest corner of Belvidere Street and South Spruce Street. Check the NCA site for parking information. The Soundscapes Concert Series is the concert companion to the Galactic Travels radio program on WDIY-FM and to Thought Radio on WMUH-FM and presents electronic music to the Lehigh Valley. This is the concert series that presented Dean DeBenedictis & Vic Hennegan (California), Bernhard Wosteinrich (Germany), Robert Rich (California), vidnaObmana (Belgium), The Ministry of Inside Things (Philadelphia), Richard Lainhart (New York), Orbital Decay (Quakertown), Mark Jenkins (UK), Mikronesia (Philadelphia), The Tangent Project (Philadelphia), Technicolor Travel Agency (Poconos), and Twyndyllyngs (Lehigh Valley) to local audiences. SOUNDSCAPES: http://soundscapes.us FUTURE: Sunday, April 22: Wave World (Netherlands) Friday, May 11: Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder (Germany) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 04:37:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3326183489; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 535077.74489.bm@omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1329971862; bh=PLOAn35pP+0e0VoB9DsSr5u81dj/VNxrskx7to0FRWM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=BpZl6PCO0nm+4uj9FbiN9lOoRfQ3FodWFjcK8Wm4C5Zcw8/TGBD7y4Y8FRGLWHOT43ECNf4N4wYI4MSBiF4n2iQMHGrijxlHwOmLWAAaiqPPfRIIQosllOFJ4G7VzU1oLBv1x70RiHZgGsPfcnsKz8I2YDU69Wk3sI4iF5oafYk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Uin9NV0VM1lYUXlrgqHqXm4UI1AmuDKxKL3dnX4v_szMAOh swIeyZJqp1pf52o2abdxsi_0u2zKAii0KnormGN9Z4SGlKa3a3DjgDqhXt7r ym.pvrCM.vxfRCfX5h_5RJkx1ZR3w2QZG1o5Ga1r734zRwRGCLZtYzpVyaQt XciPyAtpj.t9pFHohKwrBJ5iK4Dq2IGQJ.xl4nQu4vozlbocp6nzyU2T8l4Q Nmv9myBbOI9cbiTcL18Z3tV7kCvQ9KXgJewNYGwreaNLeDevg8cyws0QErhq OCZLT4YFKIQWWcKF5ymrWDdnLBl1wWDytqx.tQG5WdKu_V7KRYlYzmgIfEju J.9ustBYi0fJC.y.MwHimUetaPFn3lvxqRLQduVTWmF57IyRA3puKDjI.eou 1Lb2kKxhOAxkP2P8A0EXOHu3zqybDHqtLLnWroI8VEDietn2Oo60- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: <8317ED17-8357-485B-AC6B-3E4B743A3E8C@carlsonarts.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:37:41 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F31E2FF.7030102@cruzio.com> <279CADFD-2512-4DC1-98FF-FD1FD90C92BA@carlsonarts.com> <9A3A5A8A-86A8-42A2-92B7-1A2D98503AAD@earthwormandfire.com> <8317ED17-8357-485B-AC6B-3E4B743A3E8C@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Ok, so I bought this brand new ModTone Deep Dive sub-harmonic tone = generator stompbox on ebay with a best offer of $65, and I'm testing it = out. Since Rick said this is the kind of thing Kid Beyond uses, and = Sanne said he uses one to produce bass tones vocally, I thought I would = give it a try. It seems to be working well so far. My boys like to use = it to sound like Darth Vader (okay, i tried it for that application, = too). Michael (3x09)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 04:53:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B79AA18347A; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F45C62E.8010401@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:53:02 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvain Poitras CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4ct-TB.A.KMD.4YcRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:53:12 +0000 (UTC) On 2/22/12 7:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Eventually, I took lessons with a local pro who shared much of his > experience being the lousiest player around, having all the faults you > can imagine and working through them to become a phenomenal player. I've privately taught over 3,500 people how to play music in my teaching career. The very slowest learner I ever taught was a young kid who wanted to play the blues. He learned at such a snails pace that I honestly thought he just didn't 'have' it. He was the first person I ever truly thought this about. But he kept coming religiously.........we kept working on the same material, basic blues beats which are quite simple for over a year. One day, he was warming up as I chatted with a talented student from the hour before and my student said, "wow, he's really sounding good in there." I was astonished...."He does?" I asked somewhat incredulously. and my student said, "Yeah, really, really solid" and then it hit me, like a Buddhist monk hitting me over the head in meditation, I so had this guy in a 'place' in my mind that I was not being present and not really listening to him. It changed my entire perception about music and musical skill. Passion, energy and discipline frequently trump so called 'talent' and speed of learning. This man has grown up and is a professional blues drummer. I'm absolutely certain that he makes more in his career than I do in mine. I'm really friggin' proud of him and only sorry that it took me so long to 'hear' him. Whenever I get students who are insecure about how long it takes them to learn something, I always have this salutory story to give to them. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 11:19:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D38BE183479; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.135.34 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.135.34; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.135.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=OdzrDeWkarKQP4hKL3WFL/bAdf7mI8mq8zAm0tH7Wks=; b=wCKGoN4tH3KzU2QbieWcF2Rtkj0JrCkfMSSNABUDLdZ657d/4XhTqgBWR6MQcNHK+U vXaDQnir3WfDMItv93R2FgdyC+ua05Iw++sXVk4VkCKKKzT8YnX+DtOth//ANGGPGkVf k3JGPrV/N0WnOOEB9uskVoinVXDuRpH+6S3oQ= Subject: Music or bad habits ruining it for me. From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: <85EE9E9B-0CC0-46B6-B55C-C587779DA30D@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:19:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:19:33 +0000 (UTC) I love music. Thats a given. But it is almost starting to break more than ma= ke me. Lately the only thing I've ever been able to really focus on is music= . Its horribly affecting my grades at school. Every night (such as tonight) I= dont do my homework it is often a music related problem. Today I just laid i= n bed after school worrying about what to do because I havent progressed in p= iano and have lessons tomorrow. I also was listening to music. My sleeping p= atterns are screwed up now. Every day I tell myself im going to go to bed at= a normal time only to (time after time) unintentionally fall asleep halfway= slouched on my bed still wearing all my day clothes then wake up at 3-4am f= eeling stupid for once again not getting my homework done. Dont make it back= to bed until about 5am then have to wake up at 6:45 to get ready for school= . Im always too tired at school so i dont learn anything which just leads to= me not doing my homework again and repeating the same destructive cycle.=20= Kaylon= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 11:46:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97E9183478; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.112.144 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.112.144; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.112.144 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4BYC7l2uVtvunRBKPqNcPm1GrhgcBiMjBmAMwyS/kps=; b=ZJbjsBjSits2MupzKGGGnmVJfBcCFMY0E9R+IWNmFPHe8b0fLIKWAtTCcC8NI2wxFW HvroKh/AEZ6Ucx63wbWLGdu43FniQi0AooueG/p7EFYHltzhmGzLrzaaIpnY5DH1PgQS 1oSoONidKBQf1732D3mN8tSpp0gzWMZlR4RC8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <85EE9E9B-0CC0-46B6-B55C-C587779DA30D@gmail.com> References: <85EE9E9B-0CC0-46B6-B55C-C587779DA30D@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:46:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Music or bad habits ruining it for me. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Don't worry. I've been like that as long as I remember. It never "worn off" for me but I finally got to touch ground by learning to focus my concentration and to schedule my activities. So just schedule time to focus and finnish stuff up properly, and you'll be fine! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Gmail wrote: > I love music. Thats a given. But it is almost starting to break more than= make me. Lately the only thing I've ever been able to really focus on is m= usic. Its horribly affecting my grades at school. Every night (such as toni= ght) I dont do my homework it is often a music related problem. Today I jus= t laid in bed after school worrying about what to do because I havent progr= essed in piano and have lessons tomorrow. I also was listening to music. My= sleeping patterns are screwed up now. Every day I tell myself im going to = go to bed at a normal time only to (time after time) unintentionally fall a= sleep halfway slouched on my bed still wearing all my day clothes then wake= up at 3-4am feeling stupid for once again not getting my homework done. Do= nt make it back to bed until about 5am then have to wake up at 6:45 to get = ready for school. Im always too tired at school so i dont learn anything wh= ich just leads to me not doing my homework again and repeating the same des= tructive cycle. > > Kaylon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 11:50:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07456183475; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4DDD7ACB5F9E48108ECBD26351175BCC@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4F45C62E.8010401@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F45C62E.8010401@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:50:16 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:50:13 +0000 (UTC) I would put forth that such intellectualist discrimination isn't exclusive to the realm of music. I've been drawing and doing cartoons since I was three. Shock! Self-taught! :) In the late 70s I was at Syracuse and decided albeit briefly to change my generic "Arts & Sciences" degree program into just Art. My parents were of course appalled but that didn't have the negative effect that some professors/PAs did. I was already getting some work in the area from a fledgling paper called the New Times, and in the school paper.. The New Times didn't pay much but it was more than nothing, for something I love doing. I was in a General Drawing class towards the end of the semester I'd changed my major, and the professor asked the class, "What kind of artist do you want to be?" He went through the entire class, and didn't ask me. A girl sitting next to me who liked my work piped in, "Why didn't you ask Steve? He wants to be a cartoonist." The jerk sniffed and said, "Why doesn't he want to be an artist?" That kind of crap was something I hadn't learned to disregard, of course. I had received similar disdain from my teachers in other classes, with the wonderful exception of my Art History professor, who loved cartoons of the past and shared my love of the classics like Krazy Kat, Buck Rogers, Little Nemo in Slumberland, and The Katzenjammer Kids. His view, which I obviously appreciate to this day, was that of someone who looked at the big picture, and not just a pump-out-the-graphic-worker mentality. Unfortunately between the other view, and that of my parents who were footing the bill, I reneged and changed my major back to Arts & Sciences. I dropped out of Syracuse, a place with terrible weather and only 50 sunny days a year, a little more than a year later. I don't blame academics completely for this kind of crap, myself, having made the decision on my own - but I won't say they don't actively discourage original thinking that doesn't fit in their little box. How many people end up not pursuing the thing they love and are quite good at, because of such ignorant treatment? I grew up with piano lessons as long-time members of this list may remember; but my teachers usually lasted no more than 3-4 months: the first right before we moved from Kansas City MO to a really nice town in NJ; the second died in his 80s; the third ran off with her travel agent and was never seen again; the fourth had all the demeanor of a child abuser, would stare at me with Marty Feldman eyes and would close the shades when his students arrived; and the last one was the best, a fellow who did arrangements for Barry Manilow, and brought me Mozart pieces supposedly designed for children to learn to. Unfortunately even he fell to fate, going on tour with Barry M and for some reason never returning. My mother, raised a Methodist, was more interested in the discipline of practice than the pursuit of Art. She herself loved to bang on the piano quite a lot, and was quite open to a variety of music styles. She used to teach herself pieces by slowly going through the fingering etc herself, and was intrigued when I played the first piece from "Music for Airports" for her... but didn't appreciate the repetition. She liked "Dark Side of the Moon", but railed at the lyrics to "Tommy". A weird combination there. I taught myself guitar, and found 10 years later much encouragement from articles written by Brian Eno, and Robert Fripp at the time. They always seemed to me to be putting an example in front of me, challenging me to do the same. Not having a parochial education in the arts, I may have missed out on some of the stuff you folks are going on about... but I also don't "know" what I "can't" do. Perspectives from outside the defined box are necessary, and are often met with a great deal of criticism or worse. So aspects of Ayn Rand's "Fountainhead" ring quite true for me. :) Had to chime in after the great responses to this thread... which despite this not being in BBS format, I was by the way able to follow quite easily. Ahenh! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net http://www.ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:53 AM To: Sylvain Poitras Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct On 2/22/12 7:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Eventually, I took lessons with a local pro who shared much of his > experience being the lousiest player around, having all the faults you can > imagine and working through them to become a phenomenal player. I've privately taught over 3,500 people how to play music in my teaching career. The very slowest learner I ever taught was a young kid who wanted to play the blues. He learned at such a snails pace that I honestly thought he just didn't 'have' it. He was the first person I ever truly thought this about. But he kept coming religiously.........we kept working on the same material, basic blues beats which are quite simple for over a year. One day, he was warming up as I chatted with a talented student from the hour before and my student said, "wow, he's really sounding good in there." I was astonished...."He does?" I asked somewhat incredulously. and my student said, "Yeah, really, really solid" and then it hit me, like a Buddhist monk hitting me over the head in meditation, I so had this guy in a 'place' in my mind that I was not being present and not really listening to him. It changed my entire perception about music and musical skill. Passion, energy and discipline frequently trump so called 'talent' and speed of learning. This man has grown up and is a professional blues drummer. I'm absolutely certain that he makes more in his career than I do in mine. I'm really friggin' proud of him and only sorry that it took me so long to 'hear' him. Whenever I get students who are insecure about how long it takes them to learn something, I always have this salutory story to give to them. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 12:24:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E788183478; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.211.132 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.211.132; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.211.132 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=qO4Gt04C14a0g1cAdi+cuH/4iIdvOQMDJVW0NzA+YFQ=; b=JNnVRVlUJ0xWz2nm+uu+k+eR8weWc1DbIKab4Vfjf5429whhPsfXyv/ziBtS28ibbb JJjg+fh1rExM5C00sFYFZBfjb1zO16yIsuOHtuGFkovBYR+EH5HX1p2VSNSE0wB0hSFG eqMn1lSK+Dr6Of0YGQDy7JkesuND+86nIKWpU= Subject: Re: Music or bad habits ruining it for me. References: <85EE9E9B-0CC0-46B6-B55C-C587779DA30D@gmail.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5328FC94-E48C-405E-A6DB-2A57FAE742B8@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:24:37 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Thats the problem. I try to schedule but often forget to. Or I'll do somethi= ng like say "Oh Im gonna just mess around with looping for a few minute" The= n end up staying on it for like an hour, repetitively saying in my head "Oh d= ont worry you've got time." Kaylon On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Don't worry. I've been like that as long as I remember. It never "worn > off" for me but I finally got to touch ground by learning to focus my > concentration and to schedule my activities. So just schedule time to > focus and finnish stuff up properly, and you'll be fine! >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Gmail wrote: >> I love music. Thats a given. But it is almost starting to break more than= make me. Lately the only thing I've ever been able to really focus on is mu= sic. Its horribly affecting my grades at school. Every night (such as tonigh= t) I dont do my homework it is often a music related problem. Today I just l= aid in bed after school worrying about what to do because I havent progresse= d in piano and have lessons tomorrow. I also was listening to music. My slee= ping patterns are screwed up now. Every day I tell myself im going to go to b= ed at a normal time only to (time after time) unintentionally fall asleep ha= lfway slouched on my bed still wearing all my day clothes then wake up at 3-= 4am feeling stupid for once again not getting my homework done. Dont make it= back to bed until about 5am then have to wake up at 6:45 to get ready for s= chool. Im always too tired at school so i dont learn anything which just lea= ds to me not doing my homework again and repeating the same destructive cycl= e. >>=20 >> Kaylon >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 12:43:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2782183486; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com designates 10.152.125.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.125.20; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com designates 10.152.125.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TgFetm49P7GMW7UkDEBytsJRinEI73uiPP8q6wSHOhU=; b=NZbK3SeK2J019lqVi/BFCq7B50ussDCqkz/yTETjKOxCY+3tR6nr4by/NFY0Qqwc6d GLTdwPPLN9PjBkx/vgZ319E3CWI0sT/xlVAc+foHlghKOkELLhqE900Xm0P2VQfhzwTe vHIO3snlbekVblmM/n3P6KY4P44oTSSe+PCPs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F41E57E.3080100@cruzio.com> <4F429560.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:43:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context From: Johannes Korn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0437458903550404b9a0fc78 Resent-Message-ID: <3k3te.A.QtG.WRjRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:43:02 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0437458903550404b9a0fc78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Mark, if you have the opportunity, watch the documentary "Rivers and Tides - Andy Goldsworthy Working With Time" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_and_Tides). Beautiful movie, and very inspiring. It also has a very nice soundtrack by Fred Frith. All the best, Johannes 2012/2/21 mark francombe > Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know much > about him.. -- jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --f46d0437458903550404b9a0fc78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark,

if you have the opportunity, watch the document= ary "Rivers and Tides - Andy Goldsworthy Working With Time" (http://en.wikipedia.o= rg/wiki/Rivers_and_Tides). Beautiful movie, and very inspiring. It also= has a very nice soundtrack by Fred Frith.

All the best,
Johannes


2012/2/21 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com><= br>
Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural..= have to say I dont know much about him..


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--f46d0437458903550404b9a0fc78-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 12:45:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C4B8183478; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.80.74 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.80.74; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.80.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1KB7z29zPRw+8gviy/VO7JxO5wnSqctYOraXpklmM10=; b=FmTsmfEAYDXekHuDArDnqEamJp3wG3nNE4AwLzMD64hUsBCGwQBrCyjGWCJyw0ogjB mJsi1xX5bT05ea5Sb3aFva1/O9Gwivs+RTku2WCoDwruTgFsXkSqPBUgkam1MwxnAA/J jwSCWIBdbxousl74sxNcowj9lezul5XGOpkoI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5328FC94-E48C-405E-A6DB-2A57FAE742B8@gmail.com> References: <85EE9E9B-0CC0-46B6-B55C-C587779DA30D@gmail.com> <5328FC94-E48C-405E-A6DB-2A57FAE742B8@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:45:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Music or bad habits ruining it for me. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Use an alarm clock! Set it for an hour and quit when it rings. There really is no other way than to just do it. If an alarm clock doesn't bring out of the zone then use the good old "social method"; tell people that you're going to do a certain thing and then use your fear of letting them down to help your motivation. It's all about motivation; do what you want to do - but understand that it isn't optimal to do it all at once or simultaneously. To tell the truth I didn't learn this myself until I became a parent, because then my constant multitasking in all areas of life was totally destructive to the child. It would have been great for me to learn it earlier though ;-)) because the benefits are greater than I could imagine. Per On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Gmail wrote: > Thats the problem. I try to schedule but often forget to. Or I'll do some= thing like say "Oh Im gonna just mess around with looping for a few minute"= Then end up staying on it for like an hour, repetitively saying in my head= "Oh dont worry you've got time." > > Kaylon > > On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Don't worry. I've been like that as long as I remember. It never "worn >> off" for me but I finally got to touch ground by learning to focus my >> concentration and to schedule my activities. So just schedule time to >> focus and finnish stuff up properly, and you'll be fine! >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Gmail wrote: >>> I love music. Thats a given. But it is almost starting to break more th= an make me. Lately the only thing I've ever been able to really focus on is= music. Its horribly affecting my grades at school. Every night (such as to= night) I dont do my homework it is often a music related problem. Today I j= ust laid in bed after school worrying about what to do because I havent pro= gressed in piano and have lessons tomorrow. I also was listening to music. = My sleeping patterns are screwed up now. Every day I tell myself im going t= o go to bed at a normal time only to (time after time) unintentionally fall= asleep halfway slouched on my bed still wearing all my day clothes then wa= ke up at 3-4am feeling stupid for once again not getting my homework done. = Dont make it back to bed until about 5am then have to wake up at 6:45 to ge= t ready for school. Im always too tired at school so i dont learn anything = which just leads to me not doing my homework again and repeating the same d= estructive cycle. >>> >>> Kaylon >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 12:58:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8567B183478; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com designates 10.112.84.68 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.84.68; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com designates 10.112.84.68 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TJjZrNqK6lLoqACitJEP+pGDPj80BxkB2xxwLVU5AGI=; b=LJ3XqA8ea5WuNtGr3tC5lRiQZ+kQvMS8dGgvwMpdQMBQj4ZhrKy7DwA3D5gmIep5Yy utt+4jIbbpofR0Reauz4KHAU2Gvw/AVC/7NrwAtcNne2tPFLInJmDlpojSHp0oes7nvu q3JfrvRN0wd6LLTqF48ZOeq5mesq22+xEvJDI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:58:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context (art/context) From: Johannes Korn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040169f1c33b5704b9a133fc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:58:37 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040169f1c33b5704b9a133fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oops, didn't see that you recommended this already. But I agree, Touch The Sound is wonderful, too. 2012/2/21 Kevin Cheli-Colando > Just have to throw a pitch here for the movie Rivers and Tides for > anyone who hasn't seen it yet. Its a movie about Andy Goldsworthy > (with a Fred Frith soundtrack to boot) and it is absolutely stunning. > > And, from the same director and probably even more relevant to this > list, is Touch the Sound which is an astounding movie about 'deaf' > percussionist Evelyn Glennie (also with Fred Frith). > > Both are HIGHLY recommended. > > Kevin > > > what Goldsworthy is coming out of is all DUCHAMP! as is most conceptual > art > > (and all types that come out of conceptual art: site specific, > earthworks, > > etc). goldsworthy going out into the forest and sewing leaves, he's an > > artist, and he's calling that "his art". (as opposed to painting, > drawing, > > sculpture...) then what he does-instead of taking the actual objects > (leaves > > of course would eventually degrade) is photograph it. most conceptual > art is > > photo based or document based, since the idea is more important than the > > actual object.... > > and for Goldsworthy-it's hard to sell sewn leaves, but photos of sown > > leaves, he can make a limited # of photo prints, sign them, and > > "instant-sellable art!" (yes, his name is big in the conceptual world) > > > > so to finalize: you cannot have "Art" w/o a context.... > > fun discussion. > > s--- > > > > > > > > > > re: > > > > From: mark francombe > > Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:34:42 +0100 > > > > ________________________________ > > Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know much > > about him.. which I just showed rather well, but I hope my point still > > stands? That Art exists even without context. I think context, makes a > lot > > of Art work, but as a pretty staunch Hater of so called public or > corporate > > Art, sometimes it ruins Art too! > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > -- jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --f46d040169f1c33b5704b9a133fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oops, didn't see that you recommended this already.=A0
But I agree,= Touch The Sound is wonderful, too.


2012/2/21 Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
Just have to throw a pitch here for the movi= e Rivers and Tides for
anyone who hasn't seen it yet. =A0Its a movie about Andy Goldsworthy (with a Fred Frith soundtrack to boot) and it is absolutely stunning.

And, from the same director and probably even more relevant to this
list, is Touch the Sound which is an astounding movie about 'deaf'<= br> percussionist Evelyn Glennie (also with Fred Frith).

Both are HIGHLY recommended.

Kevin

> what Goldsworthy is coming out of is all DUCHAMP! as is most conceptua= l art
> (and all types that come out of conceptual art: site specific, earthwo= rks,
> etc). goldsworthy going out into the forest and sewing leaves, he'= s an
> artist, and he's calling that "his art". (as opposed to = painting, drawing,
> sculpture...) then what he does-instead of taking the actual objects (= leaves
> of course would eventually degrade) is photograph it. most conceptual = art is
> photo based or document based, since the idea is more important than t= he
> actual object....
> and for Goldsworthy-it's hard to sell sewn leaves, but photos of s= own
> leaves, he can make a limited # of photo prints, sign them, and
> "instant-sellable art!" (yes, his name is big in the concept= ual world)
>
> so to finalize: you cannot have "Art" w/o a context....
> fun discussion.
> s---
>
>
>
>
> re:
>
> From: mark francombe <mar= k@markfrancombe.com>
> Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:34:42 +0100
>
> ________________________________
> Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know m= uch
> about him.. which I just showed rather well, but I hope my point still=
> stands? That Art exists even without context. I think context, makes a= lot
> of Art work, but as a pretty staunch Hater of so called public or corp= orate
> Art, sometimes it ruins Art too!



--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos




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--f46d040169f1c33b5704b9a133fc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 13:11:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2600B183479; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sylvain.trombone@gmail.com designates 10.60.21.38 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.21.38; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sylvain.trombone@gmail.com designates 10.60.21.38 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sylvain.trombone@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sylvain.trombone@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=K6egIQyC3GvlmQyDkB1EOVghyFrTSjQmWfyDMiA5yYY=; b=uX9T9bkW0A6EBOW001avcubT3ow+ZHCWQLlS3kRlS4YJZjJr4wAdrsQAjMB47JU6Ir LijO0jlZCapT7fmZpQ8tpkRX00AiC126yGyG1cP4Gk2nKxwDlhE3EcAaASb6s2PGOdwr esFdt75qDdH8TwYLPLh/8SKMqspLwHT8G7ezY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <85EE9E9B-0CC0-46B6-B55C-C587779DA30D@gmail.com> <5328FC94-E48C-405E-A6DB-2A57FAE742B8@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:11:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Music or bad habits ruining it for me. From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb2068ad8ea9204b9a1618a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:11:29 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb2068ad8ea9204b9a1618a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 With experience, I;ve learned that happiness comes from setting goals and having proper time management. there's really three categories of activities: 1) things that must be done (eat, sleep, work, paint the basement, do the dishes...) 2) things that relax me (reading, watching movies, spending time with wife and daughter...) 3)things that I want to do (all the art projects) There's little choice about the things that must be done... if you don't do these things, the consequences will mess up your life and prevent you from doing anything else. In my case, there's also little choice about the second category... I need my down time to organize my thoughts for the other stuff... I make sure to do these things, before starting off on my own projects. So that doesn't leave a whole lot of time for my artsy stuff... this is why I plan my days to the minute to make sure I make the best of it... also I look for synergies like watching a documentary on something related to a project, which is both relaxing and makes me think about my stuff. Or taking programming courses that will prove of use both in music and in video/illustration... My problem is that everything interests me and I tend to go on very long tangents researching and experimenting. To control this I wrote a mission statement for myself, just like they do in the corporate world. Every time (or near enough) I go off to explore some tangents, or spend too much time on a given activity (reading), I like to ask myself how this contributes to my mission. If it doesn't, I force myself to let it go... there is only so much time. Being able to manage your time to produce art and still remain a human being is hard work, but it's worth it... Sylvain --e89a8fb2068ad8ea9204b9a1618a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With experience, I;ve learned that happiness comes from setting goals and h= aving proper time management.=A0

there's really thre= e categories of activities:=A0

1) things that must= be done (eat, sleep, work, paint the basement, do the dishes...)=A0
2) things that relax me (reading, watching movies, spending time with = wife and daughter...)
3)things that I want to do (all the art pro= jects)

There's little choice about the things = that must be done... =A0if you don't do these things, the consequences = will mess up your life and prevent you from doing anything else. =A0In my c= ase, there's also little choice about the second category... =A0I need = my down time to organize my thoughts for the other stuff... =A0I make sure = to do these things, before starting off on my own=A0projects.

So that doesn't leave a whole lot of time for my ar= tsy stuff... =A0this is why I plan my days to the minute to make sure I mak= e the best of it... =A0also I look for synergies like watching a documentar= y on something related to a project, which is both relaxing and makes me th= ink about my stuff. =A0Or taking programming courses that will prove of use= both in music and in video/illustration...

=A0My problem is that everything interests me and I ten= d to go on very long tangents researching and=A0experimenting. =A0To contro= l this I wrote a mission statement for myself, just=A0like=A0they do in the= corporate world. =A0Every time (or near enough) I go off to explore some t= angents, or spend too much time on a given activity (reading), I like to as= k myself how this contributes to my mission. =A0If it doesn't, I force = myself to let it go... =A0there is only so much time.

Being able to manage your time to produce art and still= remain a human being is hard work, but it's worth it... =A0
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Sylvain
--e89a8fb2068ad8ea9204b9a1618a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 13:41:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBDEF18347A; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.129.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.129.69; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.129.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=GLF+DH8eqqmTFZbO7+Opi1WqIj4NBMXg/X/t3AWmrIg=; b=Q6VL9kW+xKy54A6Z8IqPdaj1ckF7bQ/qAbEqLKe+FlvjSg+gYEafPYGnKZUfHQaQWZ KP2Gku6ZRv8Li41tnM+Z7dtCfRNWMTFMaErNL6M7cicRkl4g58Ton12bUUBFmmnBFUrn KrQ47jbp9Ntg/47p+i/B3fF4MIa1APi4Om8pc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <85EE9E9B-0CC0-46B6-B55C-C587779DA30D@gmail.com> <5328FC94-E48C-405E-A6DB-2A57FAE742B8@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:41:28 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nlyAmm8eT3fM8GIBSTRe5fM_YCw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Music or bad habits ruining it for me. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c647b4420ec04b9a1ce10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:41:49 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c647b4420ec04b9a1ce10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good advice from both Per and Sylvain there Kaylon. Im speaking from the point of view of a parent with a (step) son in your position. He has some interests, but doesn't seem to be really motivated to do them. Hes supposed t be going to college, but we suspect thats gone down the drain. Of course I lecture him uselessly about.. "Back in the early 80s we had it tough..." lived on an onion a day, and still spent 12 hours at college, cos it was so cool. (admittedly I spent a lot of time painting naked colleagues, and I mean.. painting them, as in painting paint on..er... them. oh well you got it.. sorry.. started reminiscing...) But list making, and deadlines is what its all about, even for those thiings that deadlines dont matter for,,, say, Im gonna finishe by Sunday... if you havent, them.. OK next Sunday then.. it doesnt really matter, as long as something makes you continue. I ave waaay too many interests, and wish I could stick to one.. Music, Films, Games, now IM getting into programming reactive visuals in Quartz composer, and Projection mapping.. But for years now, Ive maintained a blog/website, I dont do it for anyone else, but me, and on the front page there is a list of the projects I am currently doing.. so I remind myself. Ive been doing that for years an if helps enormously... Heres Marks rules for life, get up out of bed, go to school/work, do your homework, pay your rent/bills, and go to bed as early as you can, get fresh air everyday, eat properly, dont smoke dope more than once a week, clean under your foreskin everyday, if you have one, and write a blog/ journal/sketchbook (doesn't have to be digital- paper is in many ways better). Spend the rest of the time doing what you enjoy... Easy really! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c647b4420ec04b9a1ce10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good advice from both Per and Sylvain there Kaylon.

Im speaking from= the point of view of a parent with a (step) son in your position. He has s= ome interests, but doesn't seem to be really motivated to do them. Hes = supposed t be going to college, but we suspect thats gone down the drain. O= f course I lecture him uselessly about.. "Back in the early 80s we had= it tough..." lived on an onion a day, and still spent 12 hours at col= lege, cos it was so cool. (admittedly I spent a lot of time painting naked = colleagues, and I mean.. painting them, as in painting paint on..er... them= . oh well you got it.. sorry.. started reminiscing...)

But list making, and deadlines is what its all about, even for those th= iings that deadlines dont matter for,,, say, Im gonna finishe by Sunday... = if you havent, them.. OK next Sunday then.. it doesnt really matter, as lon= g as something makes you continue.
I ave waaay too many interests, and wish I could stick to one.. Music, Film= s, Games, now IM getting into programming reactive visuals in Quartz compos= er, and Projection mapping.. But for years now, Ive maintained a blog/websi= te, I dont do it for anyone else, but me, and on the front page there is a = list of the projects I am currently doing.. so I remind myself. Ive been do= ing that for years an if helps enormously...

Heres Marks rules for life, get up out of bed, go to school/work, do yo= ur homework, pay your rent/bills, and go to bed as early as you can, get fr= esh air everyday, eat properly, dont smoke dope more than once a week, clea= n under your foreskin everyday, if you have one, and write a blog/ journal/= sketchbook (doesn't have to be digital- paper is in many ways better). = Spend the rest of the time doing what you enjoy...

Easy really!

--
Mark Francombe
= www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--f46d042c647b4420ec04b9a1ce10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 13:43:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2F27183479; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_42980188-5324-4013-95bd-b164001ff4a2_" X-Originating-IP: [86.22.73.113] From: James Leight To: Subject: Mixers (Live & Studio) Help! Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:43:53 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2012 13:43:53.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EC455C0:01CCF231] Resent-Message-ID: <_OiCSD.A.9vH.bKkRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:43:55 +0000 (UTC) --_42980188-5324-4013-95bd-b164001ff4a2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey=2C I was wondering if you guys could recommend me on a good 16 channel = mixer around =A3600-=A3700 and a good 8 channel mixer around =A3200-=A3300 = anything cheaper is great.I would like multiple auxiliary if possible=2C ju= st two is fine really. My set up is Guitar=2C Vocals (sometimes)=2C Pedals=2C Audio Interface=2C C= omputer. Thats for live and studio=2C I also use other gear as well in my s= tudio e.g. Synths=2C Turntables etc. The reason I need mixer for live use i= s so I can run some pedals through the auxiliary channel and also use other= instruments. It would be a great help to get some advice.=20 James = --_42980188-5324-4013-95bd-b164001ff4a2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey=2C I was wondering if you guys could recommend me on a good 16 channel = mixer around =A3600-=A3700 and =3Ba good 8 channel mixer around =A3200-= =A3300 anything cheaper is great.
I would like multiple auxiliary if po= ssible=2C just two is fine really.

My set up is Guit= ar=2C Vocals (sometimes)=2C Pedals=2C Audio Interface=2C Computer. =3BT= hats for live and studio=2C I also use other gear as well in my studio e.g.= Synths=2C Turntables etc. The reason I need mixer for live use is so I can= run some pedals through the auxiliary channel and also use other instrumen= ts.

It would be a great help to get some adv= ice. =3B

James


= --_42980188-5324-4013-95bd-b164001ff4a2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 13:45:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3031A183479; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.112.144 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.112.144; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.112.144 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QP4+a6BvPqYFb63ONvWgVC2ZKyh/b75h4yIb8hiVtWk=; b=sViBAxIUrXbSDiRjPk1Jr7uNQHOHol3A5KNNLhqJinkDjU0fs4t0oujiivUFdN9CML YoEYUshXAeC/ESj5r7K5Gk3p5UoAXeOG3no2auHWor/8P1hZGec7xPGyT5GU2Sn4oqyj cH33rG82oyO6PRrQfjj//my2RUQVXUp8Tz8K0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <85EE9E9B-0CC0-46B6-B55C-C587779DA30D@gmail.com> <5328FC94-E48C-405E-A6DB-2A57FAE742B8@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:45:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Music or bad habits ruining it for me. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:45:17 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > My problem is that everything interests me and I tend to go on very long tangents > researching and experimenting. To control this I wrote a mission statement for myself, > just like they do in the corporate world. > Being able to manage your time to produce art and still remain a human being > is hard work, but it's worth it... Let me fly in a short comment here: This makes me think about the example David Bowie. I had the pleasure to meet his old companion Mick Ronson as he lived his last years here in Sweden and I also read and watched several interviews with Iggy Pop where he talks about "the difference between David Bowie and ordinary men" and I'm under the impression that Bowie has acquired the ability to turn off whatever thoughts not needed for the actual working situation. That's why he can "write lyrics for a song during a taxi ride", for example. The example from the corporate world is well chosen too, because the conflict is obvious there: if a CEO can't protect his creative time to keep it "quality time" in order to deliver the optimal decisions for optimizing the work of all staff his failure will show pretty soon in the reports. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 14:24:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3B36183479; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:24:35 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=c2Nl8eS6A7VJ37KcH3BoabGwXtH4STT3gvL6yNiuIh0=; b=iGQqeQbsRobPuo/5AvKJG9llsuTUv5mEfw9Uhxo57FK8GyNcBB7NccBvmscOLITXQWJMf+udsa+dYeyM+HK2wzKKuPLDdpQeus94NNZu1WkFDeNlIa0bvz4swc2zzXzt; Message-ID: <20120223081753.13386o02trzqpx8x@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:17:53 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Not having musical training - the good and the bad References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Matt Davignon : > > So, why don't I drop everything I'm doing and learn to read western > notation? I simply don't like the system. I think the musical staff > should be written chromatically, rather than requiring the reader > pre-memorize a pattern of valid notes (and then breaking that rule > with sharps and flats). I want the symbol for a half-note rest to > actually look like it takes more time than a quarter note rest. I'd > like to see notes take up as much room on a bar as their duration. (A > 1/4 note takes up 1/4 of the bar.) > I agree whole-heartedly. When I first encountered MIDI back in the 1980s, my notion was that I would compose with standard notation however I quickly discovered that I preferred piano-roll editors. I have composed in standard notation since 1986 -- even for contrapuntal music. I studied standard music-theory in college however I put it entirely out of my mind when composing/creating. However, if I encounter a "problem" -- i.e., a passage that doesn't "fit" with everything else -- then I can "zoom in" on it and apply music theory knowledge to fix it. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 14:42:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5321E183478; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:42:05 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=ng+7akyNSc8lBohM9LSD/MjfwOx52OCYgLTEzxJb2ro=; b=bYJ1JPY89p9V6MI25oJWEw8koIsm39cKcl1uNT2M5BkKGRwcMVh1UKi7HFnq59hpms85ZJLoDwp3yzioaZTVilR0lHnziK1z8N7/gWOyZ9/V4H3qgzPjMYB/p73kNFwE; Message-ID: <20120223083525.19581evr70zm4q0d@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:35:25 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Not having musical training - the good and the bad References: <20120223081753.13386o02trzqpx8x@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: <20120223081753.13386o02trzqpx8x@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: <7JDq4.A._j.9AlRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Correction: I have NOT composed with standard notation since 1986. I have a new computer and the cursor seems to jump around at random. :( Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > Quoting Matt Davignon : >> >> So, why don't I drop everything I'm doing and learn to read western >> notation? I simply don't like the system. I think the musical staff >> should be written chromatically, rather than requiring the reader >> pre-memorize a pattern of valid notes (and then breaking that rule >> with sharps and flats). I want the symbol for a half-note rest to >> actually look like it takes more time than a quarter note rest. I'd >> like to see notes take up as much room on a bar as their duration. (A >> 1/4 note takes up 1/4 of the bar.) >> > I agree whole-heartedly. > > When I first encountered MIDI back in the 1980s, my notion was that > I would compose with standard notation however I quickly discovered > that I preferred piano-roll editors. I have composed in standard > notation since 1986 -- even for contrapuntal music. > > I studied standard music-theory in college however I put it entirely > out of my mind when composing/creating. However, if I encounter a > "problem" -- i.e., a passage that doesn't "fit" with everything else > -- then I can "zoom in" on it and apply music theory knowledge to > fix it. > > -- Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 15:04:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE29B183479; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.78.215 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.78.215; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.78.215 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oKBT9CdVItOlAwagzQ3ycWoG5CN9LCHPzP78trTGyWE=; b=AtxvIcY7rawRTdHNcvRPy5+ZOd8TF1aiRWTqb7Fw/KjwMpjQDkzo3k1Z5AyyqlfdkT Y7KihpyzGyCkItiO/x0cx8IRFTUuSGqbG7lAU03snNvv8lwvMhRi9lXlqIMQtnmiySzP 9QagAnC0bfymsASb/fMeTk6td4dGjn137varA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:04:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?OT=3A_Worthy_of_Goldsworthy_=85?= From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_UdohB.A.o1.YWlRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:04:56 +0000 (UTC) A new genre, with roots to an older one: http://inhabitat.com/sonja-hinrichsen-walks-in-circles-to-create-these-spec= tacular-snow-drawings-in-colorado/ http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Johannes Korn wrote: > Oops, didn't see that you recommended this already. > But I agree, Touch The Sound is wonderful, too. > > > 2012/2/21 Kevin Cheli-Colando >> >> Just have to throw a pitch here for the movie Rivers and Tides for >> anyone who hasn't seen it yet. =A0Its a movie about Andy Goldsworthy >> (with a Fred Frith soundtrack to boot) and it is absolutely stunning. >> >> And, from the same director and probably even more relevant to this >> list, is Touch the Sound which is an astounding movie about 'deaf' >> percussionist Evelyn Glennie (also with Fred Frith). >> >> Both are HIGHLY recommended. >> >> Kevin >> >> > what Goldsworthy is coming out of is all DUCHAMP! as is most conceptua= l >> > art >> > (and all types that come out of conceptual art: site specific, >> > earthworks, >> > etc). goldsworthy going out into the forest and sewing leaves, he's an >> > artist, and he's calling that "his art". (as opposed to painting, >> > drawing, >> > sculpture...) then what he does-instead of taking the actual objects >> > (leaves >> > of course would eventually degrade) is photograph it. most conceptual >> > art is >> > photo based or document based, since the idea is more important than t= he >> > actual object.... >> > and for Goldsworthy-it's hard to sell sewn leaves, but photos of sown >> > leaves, he can make a limited # of photo prints, sign them, and >> > "instant-sellable art!" (yes, his name is big in the conceptual world) >> > >> > so to finalize: you cannot have "Art" w/o a context.... >> > fun discussion. >> > s--- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > re: >> > >> > From: mark francombe >> > Subject: Re: Do We Perceive Beauty in an Unexpected Context >> > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:34:42 +0100 >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > Ahh.. I love his stuff, simple and natural.. have to say I dont know >> > much >> > about him.. which I just showed rather well, but I hope my point still >> > stands? That Art exists even without context. I think context, makes a >> > lot >> > of Art work, but as a pretty staunch Hater of so called public or >> > corporate >> > Art, sometimes it ruins Art too! >> >> >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> > > > > -- > jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com > http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 15:13:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B348A183464; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Mixers (Live & Studio) Help! Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:13:09 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01CCF23D.A700DC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: <_4WkgC.A.v_.CelRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:13:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CCF23D.A700DC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve been using my Mackie 1202VLZ for over 12 years now, never a = problem! Cost me $300 in 1999. From: James Leight=20 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:43 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Mixers (Live & Studio) Help! Hey, I was wondering if you guys could recommend me on a good 16 channel = mixer around =C2=A3600-=C2=A3700 and a good 8 channel mixer around = =C2=A3200-=C2=A3300 anything cheaper is great.=20 I would like multiple auxiliary if possible, just two is fine really. My set up is Guitar, Vocals (sometimes), Pedals, Audio Interface, = Computer. Thats for live and studio, I also use other gear as well in my = studio e.g. Synths, Turntables etc. The reason I need mixer for live use = is so I can run some pedals through the auxiliary channel and also use = other instruments. It would be a great help to get some advice.=20 James ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CCF23D.A700DC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99ve been using my Mackie 1202VLZ for over 12 years now, = never a=20 problem!  Cost me $300 in 1999.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: Mixers (Live & Studio) Help!
 
Hey, I was wondering if you guys could recommend me on a = good 16=20 channel mixer around =C2=A3600-=C2=A3700 and a good 8 channel mixer = around =C2=A3200-=C2=A3300=20 anything cheaper is great.=20
I would like multiple auxiliary if possible, just two is fine = really.
 
My set up is Guitar, Vocals (sometimes), Pedals, Audio Interface, = Computer.=20 Thats for live and studio, I also use other gear as well in my studio = e.g.=20 Synths, Turntables etc. The reason I need mixer for live use is so I can = run=20 some pedals through the auxiliary channel and also use other=20 instruments.
 
It would be a great help to get some advice.
 
James
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CCF23D.A700DC00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 15:31:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1147B18347A; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Mixers (Live & Studio) Help! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--483426969 From: Matteo Giudici X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:31:31 +0100 Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:31:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--483426969 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Yes, me too with my makie 1604vlz. Another choice seems to be Allen & Heat. I've seen the ZED series: = http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/pages/ProductsListing.aspx?CatId=3D= ZEDSeries - very very interesting. > I=92ve been using my Mackie 1202VLZ for over 12 years now, never a = problem! Cost me $300 in 1999. > =20 > From: James Leight > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:43 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Mixers (Live & Studio) Help! > =20 > Hey, I was wondering if you guys could recommend me on a good 16 = channel mixer around =A3600-=A3700 and a good 8 channel mixer around = =A3200-=A3300 anything cheaper is great. > I would like multiple auxiliary if possible, just two is fine really. > =20 > My set up is Guitar, Vocals (sometimes), Pedals, Audio Interface, = Computer. Thats for live and studio, I also use other gear as well in my = studio e.g. Synths, Turntables etc. The reason I need mixer for live use = is so I can run some pedals through the auxiliary channel and also use = other instruments. > =20 > It would be a great help to get some advice. > =20 > James > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-3--483426969 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Yes, me too with my makie = 1604vlz.
Another choice seems to be Allen & Heat. I've = seen the ZED series: http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/pages/ProductsLi= sting.aspx?CatId=3DZEDSeries - very very = interesting.


I=92ve been using my Mackie = 1202VLZ for over 12 years now, never a problem!  Cost me $300 in = 1999.
 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 = 1:43 PM
Subject: Mixers (Live & Studio) = Help!
 
Hey, I was wondering if you guys could recommend me on a = good 16 channel mixer around =A3600-=A3700 and a good 8 channel mixer = around =A3200-=A3300 anything cheaper is great.
I would like = multiple auxiliary if possible, just two is fine = really.
 
My set up is Guitar, Vocals = (sometimes), Pedals, Audio Interface, Computer. Thats for live and = studio, I also use other gear as well in my studio e.g. Synths, = Turntables etc. The reason I need mixer for live use is so I can run = some pedals through the auxiliary channel and also use other = instruments.
 
It would be a great help = to get some = advice.
 
James
 
 =

<= /html>= --Apple-Mail-3--483426969-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 15:52:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70BC418347A; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_g4LFLyRhk/PSDtMvVzpZQg)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-23_06:2012-02-21,2012-02-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202230126 Subject: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <4F45C62E.8010401@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:52:05 -0800 Cc: Sylvain Poitras Message-id: <61182D8B-2B1C-4F4F-AE55-089C7A679647@mac.com> References: <4F45C62E.8010401@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:52:09 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_g4LFLyRhk/PSDtMvVzpZQg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Perhaps this brief story applies: My daughter for her 5th grade science fair project built a rat maze and ran her two rats, whose names now slip my mind, through the maze several hundred times each over the course of two week period. She measured the duration of each run and tracked the results in a spreadsheet where we could create a trend chart showing increase / decrease in average completion time. Now one of these rats was the epitome of a bubbly personality (for rats) the other was lethargic and dull by comparison and so, her hypothesis was that one was smarter than the other and that this ability would be demonstrated in the results of the maze test. What we found was quite different than this. The "Smart" rat did run the maze quickly-- the first 25 times or so. There after, she was bored with it -- and started trying to crawl up and over the walls to reach the bait. Smart, right? She had become an EXPERT. The so called dumb rat, ran the maze faithfully each time. Getting a little faster with each attempt. Enter a change. We redesigned the maze. The smart rat, relying on her expertise, did not want to run the new maze at all. Instead, she began by trying to climb the walls and wound up getting lost in the maze most of the time-- seldom getting to the bait. While the more plodding and goofy rat meticulously hammered away at the new maze and, once it found the bait, had no trouble returning to it until the maze changed again and once the maze changed again, the goofy rat , though slower, was the first to find the bait in the majority of races. Most interestingly, over the course of two weeks, the average speed of the two rats in achieving the bait converged around the same number. They both had their maximum achievement in different parts of the learning arc and their overall achievement over time was about the same! Perhaps talent, smarts, proclivity for skill development-- are simply to complex to be compared like Apple's to Apples. Daniel On Feb 22, 2012, at 8:53 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 2/22/12 7:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: >> Eventually, I took lessons with a local pro who shared much of his experience being the lousiest player around, having all the faults you can imagine and working through them to become a phenomenal player. > I've privately taught over 3,500 people how to play music in my teaching career. > The very slowest learner I ever taught was a young kid who wanted to play the blues. > He learned at such a snails pace that I honestly thought he just didn't 'have' it. > He was the first person I ever truly thought this about. > > But he kept coming religiously.........we kept working on the same material, basic blues > beats which are quite simple for over a year. > > One day, he was warming up as I chatted with a talented student from the hour before > and my student said, "wow, he's really sounding good in there." > > I was astonished...."He does?" I asked somewhat incredulously. > > and my student said, "Yeah, really, really solid" > > and then it hit me, like a Buddhist monk hitting me over the head in meditation, > I so had this guy in a 'place' in my mind that I was not being present and not > really listening to him. > > It changed my entire perception about music and musical skill. > Passion, energy and discipline frequently trump so called 'talent' and speed of learning. > > This man has grown up and is a professional blues drummer. > I'm absolutely certain that he makes more in his career than I do in mine. > > I'm really friggin' proud of him and only sorry that it took me so long to > 'hear' him. > > Whenever I get students who are insecure about how long it takes them to learn something, > I always have this salutory story to give to them. > > rick walker > --Boundary_(ID_g4LFLyRhk/PSDtMvVzpZQg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

The so called dumb rat, ran the = maze faithfully each time.  Getting a little faster with each = attempt.   Enter a change.  We redesigned the maze.  The = smart rat, relying on her expertise, did not want to run = the new maze at all.  Instead, she began by trying to climb the = walls and wound up getting lost in the maze most of the time-- seldom = getting to the bait.  While the more plodding and goofy rat = meticulously hammered away at the new maze and, once it found the bait, = had no trouble returning to it until the maze changed again and once the = maze changed again, the goofy rat , though slower, was the first to find = the bait in the majority of races.  

Most = interestingly, over the course of two weeks, the average speed of the = two rats in achieving the bait converged around the same number. =  They both had their maximum achievement in different parts of the = learning arc and their overall achievement over time was about the same! =     Perhaps talent, smarts, proclivity for skill development-- = are simply to complex to be compared like Apple's to Apples. =  

Daniel   =  
On Feb 22, 2012, at 8:53 PM, Rick Walker = wrote:

On 2/22/12 7:29 AM, Sylvain Poitras = wrote:
Eventually, I took lessons with a = local pro who shared much of his experience being the lousiest player = around, having all the faults you can imagine and working through them = to become a phenomenal player.
I've privately taught = over 3,500 people how to play music in my teaching career.
The very = slowest learner I ever taught was a young kid who wanted to play the = blues.
He learned at such a snails pace that I honestly thought he = just didn't 'have' it.
He was the first person I ever truly thought = this about.

But he kept coming religiously.........we kept = working on the same material,  basic blues
beats which are quite = simple for over a year.

One day,  he was warming up as I = chatted with a talented student from the hour before
and my student = said,  "wow,  he's really sounding good in there."

I = was astonished...."He does?"   I asked somewhat = incredulously.

and my student said,  "Yeah,  really, = really solid"

and then it hit me, like a Buddhist monk hitting me = over the head in meditation,
I so had this guy in a 'place' in my = mind that I was not being present and not
really listening to = him.

It changed my entire perception about music and musical = skill.
Passion, energy and discipline frequently trump so called = 'talent' and speed of learning.

This man has grown up and is a = professional blues drummer.
I'm absolutely certain that he makes more = in his career than I do in mine.

I'm really friggin' proud of him = and only sorry that it took me so long to
'hear' him.

Whenever = I get students who are insecure about how long it takes them to learn = something,
I always have this salutory story to give to = them.

rick = walker


= --Boundary_(ID_g4LFLyRhk/PSDtMvVzpZQg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 16:18:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E70FD18347A; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_41d39f27-438a-4164-a9e0-316d7e25b59f_" X-Originating-IP: [213.205.196.61] From: James Leight To: Subject: RE: Mixers (Live & Studio) Help! Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:18:16 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2012 16:18:16.0902 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFF4B660:01CCF246] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:18:18 +0000 (UTC) --_41d39f27-438a-4164-a9e0-316d7e25b59f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cheers guys the Allen and Heath series=2C the zed 14 seems pretty much perf= ect for what I'm looking for live use. Subject: Re: Mixers (Live & Studio) Help! From: ligeti@alice.it Date: Thu=2C 23 Feb 2012 16:31:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Yes=2C me too with my makie 1604vlz.Another choice seems to be Allen & Heat= . I've seen the ZED series: http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/pages/Pr= oductsListing.aspx?CatId=3DZEDSeries - very very interesting. I=92ve been using my Mackie 1202VLZ for over 12 years now=2C never a proble= m! Cost me $300 in 1999. From: James LeightSent: Thursday=2C February 23= =2C 2012 1:43 PMTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Mixers (Liv= e & Studio) Help! Hey=2C I was wondering if you guys could recommend me on = a good 16 channel mixer around =A3600-=A3700 and a good 8 channel mixer aro= und =A3200-=A3300 anything cheaper is great.I would like multiple auxiliary= if possible=2C just two is fine really. My set up is Guitar=2C Vocals (sometimes)=2C Pedals=2C Audio Interface=2C = Computer. Thats for live and studio=2C I also use other gear as well in my = studio e.g. Synths=2C Turntables etc. The reason I need mixer for live use = is so I can run some pedals through the auxiliary channel and also use othe= r instruments. It would be a great help to get some advice. James =20 = --_41d39f27-438a-4164-a9e0-316d7e25b59f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cheers guys the Allen and Heath = series=2C the zed 14 seems pretty much perfect for what I'=3Bm looking f= or live use.

Subject:=3B Re:=3B Mixers (Live &=3B Studi= o) Help!
From:=3B ligeti@alice.it
Date:=3B Thu=2C 23 Feb 2012 1= 6:=3B31:=3B31 +0100
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Yes=2C me too wi= th my makie 1604vlz.
Another choice seems to be Allen &=3B Hea= t. I've seen the ZED series:=3B =3Bhttp:=3B//www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/pages/ProductsList= ing.aspx?CatId=3DZEDSeries - very very interesting.


I=92ve been using my Mackie 1202VLZ for ov= er 12 years now=2C never a problem! =3B Cost me $300 in 1999.
 =3B
From:=3B =3BJames Leight
<= div>Sent:=3B =3BThursday=2C February 23=2C 2012 1:=3B43 PM
Subject:= =3B =3BMixers (Live &= amp=3B Studio) Help!
 =3B
Hey=2C I was wonder= ing if you guys could recommend me on a good 16 channel mixer around =A3600= -=A3700 and a good 8 channel mixer around =A3200-=A3300 anything cheaper is= great.
I would like multiple auxiliary if possible=2C just two is fine= really.
 =3B
My set up is Guitar=2C Vocals (sometime= s)=2C Pedals=2C Audio Interface=2C Computer. Thats for live and studio=2C I= also use other gear as well in my studio e.g. Synths=2C Turntables etc. Th= e reason I need mixer for live use is so I can run some pedals through the = auxiliary channel and also use other instruments.
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It would be a great help to get some advice.
 =3B
James
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= --_41d39f27-438a-4164-a9e0-316d7e25b59f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 16:29:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62318183489; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.233.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.233.196; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of davew@easystreet.net designates 10.68.233.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=davew@easystreet.net Message-ID: <4F46697D.7020002@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:29:49 -0800 From: 7stringjazz Reply-To: 7stringjazz@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Dennis Moser Subject: Re: BBS format References: <4F440647.4010404@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk57aA7Bu4fUrSVw+qJMqdpuxjhrWSxnuUnZzt51BJV8UUcNvSYpqZRt9TbAsbmg50KM93T Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Sounds more like a rut to me. Better to think of it as a Darwinian loop with modification. At some point it will evolve. I just know it. ;) On 2/22/2012 5:31 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Petri nails it … > > Loop on. > > ~~Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: >> Well, once again the ye olde "why this list is from the stone age" conversation. >> Its a loop, too. >> > -- http://Soundclick.com/7stringjazz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 16:30:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59B89183486; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.130.28 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.101.130.28; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.130.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bLzzTZNsy7VyW+DxdL8opZLVdNgtJFCsgF7YlFX34Rc=; b=xRRrDsSXTUhf9VqZAB4Qh6MUZBThGmLCXlv5Vx7UBmyEOwdVjugkx/7eOAOg8pZbOn u4gRAx9abtwDCaMLWB+VKEqOB3Bz1yDMFhOtTmAmi5S/IYgW8HAARr5xm+zkWeKLCwHE MCggzefguCaDiHROXfpjjbTo3COOHUs3Fe34E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:30:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_OT=3A_Worthy_of_Goldsworthy_=E2=80=A6?= From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <9xg22B.A._TC.ummRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:30:38 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > A new genre, with roots to an older one: > > http://inhabitat.com/sonja-hinrichsen-walks-in-circles-to-create-these-spectacular-snow-drawings-in-colorado/ Nice! Are Crop Circles the referred "older genre"? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 18:35:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 773CF183478; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b7cc996f-44d2-428e-b742-fcfa5d93e9e1_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:35:01 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <61182D8B-2B1C-4F4F-AE55-089C7A679647@mac.com> References: ,<4F45C62E.8010401@cruzio.com>,<61182D8B-2B1C-4F4F-AE55-089C7A679647@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2012 18:35:01.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA6DC5A0:01CCF259] Resent-Message-ID: <0BZYl.A.njD.WboRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:35:03 +0000 (UTC) --_b7cc996f-44d2-428e-b742-fcfa5d93e9e1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool which support the idea that some persons are quick learners but get bo= red therefore underperformes at a task.. other are not as fast learners but= they are persistent.. And there are a few very talented AND persistent per= sons=2C they tend to be seen as geniuses ... sort of.. like Picasso.. or Bo= wie Subject: Re: Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct From: danielthomas4@mac.com Date: Thu=2C 23 Feb 2012 07:52:05 -0800 CC: sylvain.trombone@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Perhaps this brief story applies: My daughter for her 5th grade science fair project built a rat maze and ran= her two rats=2C whose names now slip my mind=2C through the maze several = hundred times each over the course of two week period. She measured the du= ration of each run and tracked the results in a spreadsheet where we could = create a trend chart showing increase / decrease in average completion time= . =20 Now one of these rats was the epitome of a bubbly personality (for rats) th= e other was lethargic and dull by comparison and so=2C her hypothesis was t= hat one was smarter than the other and that this ability would be demonstra= ted in the results of the maze test.=20 What we found was quite different than this. The "Smart" rat did run the m= aze quickly-- the first 25 times or so. There after=2C she was bored with = it -- and started trying to crawl up and over the walls to reach the bait. = Smart=2C right? She had become an EXPERT. =20 The so called dumb rat=2C ran the maze faithfully each time. Getting a lit= tle faster with each attempt. Enter a change. We redesigned the maze. T= he smart rat=2C relying on her expertise=2C did not want to run the new maz= e at all. Instead=2C she began by trying to climb the walls and wound up g= etting lost in the maze most of the time-- seldom getting to the bait. Whi= le the more plodding and goofy rat meticulously hammered away at the new ma= ze and=2C once it found the bait=2C had no trouble returning to it until th= e maze changed again and once the maze changed again=2C the goofy rat =2C t= hough slower=2C was the first to find the bait in the majority of races. =20 Most interestingly=2C over the course of two weeks=2C the average speed of = the two rats in achieving the bait converged around the same number. They = both had their maximum achievement in different parts of the learning arc a= nd their overall achievement over time was about the same! Perhaps tale= nt=2C smarts=2C proclivity for skill development-- are simply to complex to= be compared like Apple's to Apples. =20 Daniel =20 = --_b7cc996f-44d2-428e-b742-fcfa5d93e9e1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cool which support the idea that some persons are quick learners but get bo= red therefore underperformes at a task.. other are not as fast learners but= they are =3Bpersistent.. =3B
And there are a few very =3Bt= alented =3BAND =3Bpersistent =3Bpersons=2C they tend to be seen= as =3Bgeniuses =3B... sort of.. like Picasso.. or Bowie

Subject: Re= : Neuroscientist debunks the myth of musical instinct
From: danielthomas= 4@mac.com
Date: Thu=2C 23 Feb 2012 07:52:05 -0800
CC: sylvain.trombon= e@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Perhaps this brief = story applies:

My daughter for her 5th grade science fai= r project built a rat maze and ran her two rats=2C whose names now slip my = mind=2C  =3Bthrough the maze several hundred times each over the course= of two week period.  =3BShe measured the duration of each run and trac= ked the results in a spreadsheet where we could create a trend chart showin= g increase / decrease in average completion time.  =3B

Now one of these rats was the epitome of a bubbly personality (for= rats) the other was lethargic and dull by comparison and so=2C her hypothe= sis was that one was smarter than the other and that this ability would be = demonstrated in the results of the maze test. =3B

<= div>What we found was quite different than this.  =3BThe "Smart" rat di= d run the maze quickly-- the first 25 times or so.  =3BThere after=2C s= he was bored with it -- and started trying to crawl up and over the walls t= o reach the bait.  =3BSmart=2C right? She had become an EXPERT.  = =3B =3B

The so called dumb rat=2C ran the maze= faithfully each time.  =3BGetting a little faster with each attempt. &= nbsp=3B Enter a change.  =3BWe redesigned the maze.  =3BThe smart r= at=2C relying on her expertise=2C did not want to run the new= maze at all.  =3BInstead=2C she began by trying to climb the walls and= wound up getting lost in the maze most of the time-- seldom getting to the= bait.  =3BWhile the more plodding and goofy rat meticulously hammered = away at the new maze and=2C once it found the bait=2C had no trouble return= ing to it until the maze changed again and once the maze changed again=2C t= he goofy rat =2C though slower=2C was the first to find the bait in the maj= ority of races.  =3B

Most interestingly=2C ove= r the course of two weeks=2C the average speed of the two rats in achieving= the bait converged around the same number.  =3BThey both had their max= imum achievement in different parts of the learning arc and their overall a= chievement over time was about the same!  =3B  =3B Perhaps talent= =2C smarts=2C proclivity for skill development-- are simply to complex to b= e compared like Apple's to Apples.  =3B

Daniel=  =3B  =3B

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= --_b7cc996f-44d2-428e-b742-fcfa5d93e9e1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 18:38:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D39818348A; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.77.134 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.77.134; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sinsofmachaut@gmail.com designates 10.229.77.134 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=sinsofmachaut@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZYELRjCRnLj0+F5TtbgvvcNQJyBpzOX392xYoUj8tNo=; b=mzUt1ZqHpWJHxmh0cO4F3xhW3ir41TxBY5jJTPCu0YA7HByRjKYin3pyfA7p0ORNrM iUPagGo2XvrNkLC3ObaNCC0XeBKf11Y5yHUZ3p4V8t0YEaMIva2fe6b9UHxnco3BknaV 78ooeE+fhmW2LHKTTO85Bnn/0pzA+JzcfmjgM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_OT=3A_Worthy_of_Goldsworthy_=85?= From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Per, Precisely=85and followed by all the other "earth artists." Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dennis Moser w= rote: >> A new genre, with roots to an older one: >> >> http://inhabitat.com/sonja-hinrichsen-walks-in-circles-to-create-these-s= pectacular-snow-drawings-in-colorado/ > > > Nice! Are Crop Circles the referred "older genre"? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 18:41:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 288AF18347A; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 615380.13356.bm@omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330022503; bh=wC7xTWWnbTBRrUMN92mvMJJqcdfbwyMXVkqms6ECAhg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=svmoszcsGhBicnSZym73NFKUYz5YkrML/JUD+ZqB54dhVJdWLq007f1lGwCt/a038UDme6xhH6L7sqKFzb2jMCuaPb6qQ/vC3W1inG/vd4zDtfxFMK/BObmoDOJwZ6LLtSfHapMNkE7uJGMpuY1fxxZQkdItaXL619Hgu/eKdzM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: gWF2LZYVM1lbV8pjDkx7JA_q0gC46wn5CWc.0BD4OxIawXs dghoXGzoKJsY.vd2seqqPjSqWKh33Agvnb3PfAShqijfVc9zs44VMw9_z.h2 FnIEk.uDqY0NUl2H5Pu07QZuZTz1VGNygKKxEmIrVgZW.7NQGnWUYHF3nisj sPMe6TEaWxZlIfWGThuCA3aWedu6Cyex9wCXly.Sp4RUh5w0KObgMQHhQeg0 innkZnMzxItA4kEuzg5fvEOKehqlyZ6lSWS389yiq6uJzrxjkx2nqUK8kptb LWDes68.I1M2dKh7Rz22mBVXZB7wdY0biQJLF2NhSXzEvfl_ueuDMCodygAU _ATyZJ4hWIwy52t4Gi9fN1efhEKNb6JwuYiYWNauRZCdVBO_VXLw8N1VPfXc CS.wJgp_FEJSH51n1FH5tIlbJN0pWNDgAvIS.E8PjZ36_wDEc0Q8lQdqz294 OZhyD1V_ZLFU0BE5G6h2N69fW9MWYGsQOeypOIVqi_aHUHyoefHSjKtZaMs2 U9nZMszIJ1KRkkUWLejhU1.rC2f3gAi9AZggZScOWW06vSGpBlyJ_q36r0Nr MI9c7D.Oww0Y3PNxMJjWJT3hP0ufN3H39pcrKXll1cP1WlNyA2FQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: BBS format From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:41:41 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <570B98DA-DAA1-4153-9CC6-289E77EF6154@carlsonarts.com> References: <4F440647.4010404@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:41:45 +0000 (UTC) 10 CLS 20 PRINT "LET'S CHANGE TO A BBS." 30 PRINT "NO." 40 PRINT "BUT IT WILL BE BETTER." 50 PRINT "NO, IT WON'T." 60 PRINT "HERE ARE SOME REASONS WHY IT WILL BE BETTER." 70 PRINT "HERE ARE ALL THE REASONS WHY IT WON'T." 80 PRINT "OK, GEEZ." 90 PRINT "TAKE IT LIGHT, MAN." 100 GOTO 20 RUN Loop on, everybody. One thing that I value about this list is that I = find myself being more selective about which posts I read and respond = to, since its not as easy to follow every thread. I guess I just figure = its worth the extra effort to glean the wisdom on the topics I need, and = I can always search and find more later. Maybe it depends on how easy = it is for people to search for topics? I usually just do in my own = email that I've downloaded. =20 Maybe I'll try Gmail though, although I don't want Google to get all my = personal information. Does anyone know their policy on using = information that we store in their "cloud"? Peace, Michael (3x09) On Feb 22, 2012, at 5:31 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Petri nails it =85 >=20 > Loop on. >=20 > ~~Dennis >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: >> Well, once again the ye olde "why this list is from the stone age" = conversation. >> Its a loop, too. >>=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 22:33:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6590B183477; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F46BEC2.1000409@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:33:38 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:33:42 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Twilight" on BogusFocus Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#feb I will also play music of artists who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series in March and April; Mark Jenkins and Wave World. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 22:34:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A143183479; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.53.66 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.53.66; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.53.66 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Q7e7ITiZEHd7SX/kP29oDGME2XHOAhIvah8rn7KSzF0=; b=vEnqgNXOmRtiC7k/9RXFKDVxiRTRImNBTuXRRjbpMdAW6KmWgB7BSXqM9tkKS9O0Hz wVPvTHTxuxAsPoZjkH4ozjPq/KwqWE10bpYr2rRWaQU5WKuzCnk1RAD3cNB2dvwVX1X9 VLo3CHaco1oRDOytKNVN3geGvOI+4qvS3fGX0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:34:46 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Just ordered new instrument From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:34:46 +0000 (UTC) My tax return gift-to-self this year is something I've been salivating about for years. I'm waiting with baited breath for it to arrive. http://www.amazon.com/DJTECH-ISCRATCH101V2-Multi-Disc-DJ-Player/dp/B004W38L9S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330035629&sr=8-1 I've been researching CD DJ units for several years now, often frustrated because: --Most are way more expensive than the should be ($1000 for a cd player)? --Many lack what I think should be basic features for a CD turntable, such 100% pitch/speed control. --Most are way too large for a CD turntable - they are made to fit into a standard turntable dj coffin. This one looks smaller, and I got it for $200. I found a youtube video where demonstrator actually showed off the useful features. (Most demos of CD DJ units assume the users only want to mix house music tracks together.) I'm pretty excited about it. It brings me one step closer to desire to try making instrumental hip-hop music. It will also be great for improv sessions. If I'm playing with a sax player or vocalist, I can manipulate recordings of them. And yes, my breath smells like earthworms while I'm waiting. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 22:48:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 615D5183477; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.220.142.80 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.220.142.80; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.220.142.80 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XQ2xBdHBoloc+VmzceYA6uDUHc1xAXSR51wk9/U/oRg=; b=xIjl6Y9nM0IjBj9Ia9aOHntrAtJO1+zZ5dRVHq576lwtt9NvkMKbu9ENArRAspc2pi PLOX2EKbf7osf3s5N/Q9ozNoPn28+HWx5M3/SiYh5t0HZR2U8azmh7cpATkMXfhD4T13 3gzeHfWSvckTa+AJCPzZ856/tg6Q+sz4envTk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042fd94c10fdcd04b9a970c1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:48:08 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042fd94c10fdcd04b9a970c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too cool Matt, that's the greatest thing to give yourself a new instrument... que and scratch yourself silly sir! radio show is cool, I listened a bit last time, thanks so much for featuring a track off of ReUse . Jim On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Matt Davignon wrot= e: > My tax return gift-to-self this year is something I've been salivating > about for years. I'm waiting with baited breath for it to arrive. > > > http://www.amazon.com/DJTECH-ISCRATCH101V2-Multi-Disc-DJ-Player/dp/B004W3= 8L9S/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1330035629&sr=3D8-1 > > I've been researching CD DJ units for several years now, often > frustrated because: > --Most are way more expensive than the should be ($1000 for a cd player)? > --Many lack what I think should be basic features for a CD turntable, > such 100% pitch/speed control. > --Most are way too large for a CD turntable - they are made to fit > into a standard turntable dj coffin. > > This one looks smaller, and I got it for $200. I found a youtube video > where demonstrator actually showed off the useful features. (Most > demos of CD DJ units assume the users only want to mix house music > tracks together.) > > I'm pretty excited about it. It brings me one step closer to desire to > try making instrumental hip-hop music. It will also be great for > improv sessions. If I'm playing with a sax player or vocalist, I can > manipulate recordings of them. > > And yes, my breath smells like earthworms while I'm waiting. > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --f46d042fd94c10fdcd04b9a970c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Too cool Matt, that's the greatest thing to give yourself a new in= strument... que and scratch yourself silly sir! radio show is cool, I liste= ned a bit last time, thanks so much for featuring a track off of ReUse.
=A0
Jim

On Thu, Feb = 23, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
My tax return gift-to-self this year is something I've been salivating<= br> about for years. I'm waiting with baited breath for it to arrive.

http://www.amazon.com/DJTECH-ISCRATCH101V2-Multi-Disc-DJ-Pla= yer/dp/B004W38L9S/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1330035629&sr=3D8-1<= /a>

I've been researching CD DJ units for several years now, often
frustrated because:
--Most are way more expensive than the should be ($1000 for a cd player)? --Many lack what I think should be basic features for a CD turntable,
such 100% pitch/speed control.
--Most are way too large for a CD turntable - they are made to fit
into a standard turntable dj coffin.

This one looks smaller, and I got it for $200. I found a youtube video
where demonstrator actually showed off the useful features. (Most
demos of CD DJ units assume the users only want to mix house music
tracks together.)

I'm pretty excited about it. It brings me one step closer to desire to<= br> try making instrumental hip-hop music. It will also be great for
improv sessions. If I'm playing with a sax player or vocalist, I can manipulate recordings of them.

And yes, my breath smells like earthworms while I'm waiting.


--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
http= ://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt




--
--= =A0
Tips Across the Waters= , a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--f46d042fd94c10fdcd04b9a970c1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 00:02:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E39C2183474; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.0.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.0.48; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.0.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hJeiFzfPPgKZSTR347nX1y5W4CF4Sw2+ex3tUKZyEnc=; b=c/d1nhYUvEyvUXDePdA8x7uOKI3uYnXxBM0YSsblUKAPbEXZlgicCW+uHCtQLyhcxP WwycnthSDkCeI+piQqADyVY5Mlwgjln0FBUvNmy20nDvJWIrnIpaaBA362vmuv5cI5ur jiIwzkoQ13sO0LMgVgZY11kbcKXd0qso3LVnQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:02:38 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:02:39 +0000 (UTC) I have next week's radio show already recorded. One of the tracks from Michael Peters' Stretched Landscape Remix Project will be on it. 2 nights ago, there was a Daryl Shawn track. http://ribosomematt.podomatic.= com --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Jim Goodin wrot= e: > Too cool Matt, that's the greatest thing to give yourself a new > instrument... que and scratch yourself silly sir! radio show is cool, I > listened a bit last time, thanks so much for featuring a track off of ReU= se. > > Jim > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Matt Davignon > wrote: >> >> My tax return gift-to-self this year is something I've been salivating >> about for years. I'm waiting with baited breath for it to arrive. >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/DJTECH-ISCRATCH101V2-Multi-Disc-DJ-Player/dp/B004W= 38L9S/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1330035629&sr=3D8-1 >> >> I've been researching CD DJ units for several years now, often >> frustrated because: >> --Most are way more expensive than the should be ($1000 for a cd player)= ? >> --Many lack what I think should be basic features for a CD turntable, >> such 100% pitch/speed control. >> --Most are way too large for a CD turntable - they are made to fit >> into a standard turntable dj coffin. >> >> This one looks smaller, and I got it for $200. I found a youtube video >> where demonstrator actually showed off the useful features. (Most >> demos of CD DJ units assume the users only want to mix house music >> tracks together.) >> >> I'm pretty excited about it. It brings me one step closer to desire to >> try making instrumental hip-hop music. It will also be great for >> improv sessions. If I'm playing with a sax player or vocalist, I can >> manipulate recordings of them. >> >> And yes, my breath smells like earthworms while I'm waiting. >> >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >> > > > > -- > -- > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire > Ware. > > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin = & > Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF > International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 01:33:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFCB9183474; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 33956.59264.bm@omp1017.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330047235; bh=hpWUkwo67yrq3c8P5SoAS7n0MeVltkuMwludi8Eq+kA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iu6+mO3hwpQv0PitTeYXjgXGZaOcoH2spm0Pc0tYizKbMkeCAFskrOsoy+kHWuuyqBk7nZ6XfGMpEv8/LNUEV4NSYCnSNjIgO+hG4Rr47pECspG3Yg2qzLvPERrvoUpGmnCP8+BWuvbLwbs6z3nE4cqvDqABSEP9archCacEHZw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1Q78WW8XRtRP6Lg2Szdcuni1gvhGHXxG8OZIMBHG4ASWELlCmEv3IB74mTYl2e+Ag9B0oi8K4zTyA75TQsgYUA8wayb4Y6urUCDSg2+ouILaJnEjScIdrKFZpd5xUjxUD3cByDybSeY0x3eFdmfwxX9/G8kn1PANz+uvyPykCTI=; X-YMail-OSG: MDHIEaYVM1nDjb8sTTZNRxYaCa8_S5RTNBA9.94Bx_b0aCv hsWnpm0SLFmc5r1uwHDmL4E0mNEd14LYB1Vf2rM8souAKu6ZWn8G127G21Dq Piq70sfqY7qJnRcLPtynnM.yH1YzipfohDGkeKRP07Ugk5ELCA83FTylKbrp c5abMdH0e9IePCZ5EHMEVaZkUn3Z6YMHfi.oLa1JHx4y_XjGkJXplmHjqy_1 4Meksc6C.ioIjVLZDI0wU8eVS6Xhh0ObS7wYNLH2Aqjzkw8ziy41U8ZY7tRk EKvI2.CfQC8KWJfTpE0j2nhDhuHOPo5fsOKcsLzeSBa5ObHFJZ39YUhUk_OV DROm6Mxo.7YiPsC8XB2nB7h27xZxR8V4Pr5Q95zeKmwvRH248oEoyE0egy8v lau..w4vFgnTaRtNrbPQfBeakA6a2GVi3NyDGxjuHRm0aGBl8Ow7GN0WbT1P VmGxKBV29vlrsG1Ds6MqfgeqMzURlD9VLBCMALxsnaVnWZH6wknKUHGlAtMo LNjdnNa368E5.wRSeO97af7Z8YvdC8vehj.FcaEgseoKIILvZtR4WcGfG7Ew j9kBj8mAeIIae02Skf5_wgbTl090ieKeC6KvvPht6CDyRnH_kM4U.qwjaiF5 SbV7n9d6VZxt.8bIqrYY100wly.GLbs0HDwjGSaKLSoLU_jyXxlxRlSxWQ8L KlUA89frgJHH1qf0XCmJME9TRPZvefvb.r5F_oMzOw00O1jorAjZIGgJJJ_U ZLvA7YcWsai4hqz8B6jl51ROSFf8atSX1dKIW1PjQ1t6m2ug9zxt7S5Xy9tc 4A68Y1rl4FpByLUuVyjA1AEx08JCVkfz9Teke6NzHAmejKOyaFCyioB.Z9Lo XGp3TheHm_G1usg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: Message-ID: <1330047235.79810.YahooMailNeo@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-1158235457-1330047235=:79810" Resent-Message-ID: <24Sl4B.A.UlH.EkuRPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:33:56 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-1158235457-1330047235=:79810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahhhh...tax money. Mine's already spent. Goodies include a Line 6 Spider Ja= m amplifier, an Alesis Quadraverb (!) and a set of Gon Bops congas & bongos= w/Shure microphones. A hodgepodge, I know.=0A=A0=0AThat Spider Jam is real= ly a well-thought out device. True, it only provides one loop at 24 minutes= max length but, they can be saved to an SD card using, optionally, the bui= lt-in drum wavs, backing tracks and overdubs. True, it's not a tube amp, bu= t the emulations are not bad. Lots of I/O and USB as well. There's a cool v= ideo of Adrien Below jamming with the SPider Jam on Youtube.=0A=A0=0ARegard= s, Paul=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Matt Davignon =0ATo: Loopers Delight =0ASent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:34 PM=0ASubject: Just ordere= d new instrument=0A =0AMy tax return gift-to-self this year is something I= 've been salivating=0Aabout for years. I'm waiting with baited breath for i= t to arrive.=0A=0Ahttp://www.amazon.com/DJTECH-ISCRATCH101V2-Multi-Disc-DJ-= Player/dp/B004W38L9S/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1330035629&sr=3D8-1=0A=0A= I've been researching CD DJ units for several years now, often=0Afrustrated= because:=0A--Most are way more expensive than the should be ($1000 for a c= d player)?=0A--Many lack what I think should be basic features for a CD tur= ntable,=0Asuch 100% pitch/speed control.=0A--Most are way too large for a C= D turntable - they are made to fit=0Ainto a standard turntable dj coffin.= =0A=0AThis one looks smaller, and I got it for $200. I found a youtube vide= o=0Awhere demonstrator actually showed off the useful features. (Most=0Adem= os of CD DJ units assume the users only want to mix house music=0Atracks to= gether.)=0A=0AI'm pretty excited about it. It brings me one step closer to = desire to=0Atry making instrumental hip-hop music. It will also be great fo= r=0Aimprov sessions. If I'm playing with a sax player or vocalist, I can=0A= manipulate recordings of them.=0A=0AAnd yes, my breath smells like earthwor= ms while I'm waiting.=0A=0A=0A-- =0AMatt Davignon=0Amattdavignon@gmail.com= =0Awww.ribosomemusic.com=0APodcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com=0Ahtt= p://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt ---2114655128-1158235457-1330047235=:79810 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ahhhh...ta= x money. Mine's already spent. Goodies include a Line 6 Spider Jam amplifie= r, an Alesis Quadraverb (!) and a set of Gon Bops congas & bongos w/Shu= re microphones. A hodgepodge, I know.
 <= /div>
That Spider Jam is really a well-thought out device. True, = it only provides one loop at 24 minutes max length but, they can be saved t= o an SD card using, optionally, the built-in drum wavs, backing tracks and = overdubs. True, it's not a tube amp, but the emulations are not bad. Lots o= f I/O and USB as well. There's a cool video of Adrien Below jamming with th= e SPider Jam on Youtube.
 
Regards, Paul

From: Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
To: Loopers Delight <Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com>
Sent:= Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Just ordered new instrument
=
=0AMy tax return gift-to-self this year is something I've been salivati= ng
about for years. I'm waiting with baited breath for it to arrive.
=
http://www.amazon.com/DJTECH-ISCRATCH101V2-Multi-Disc-DJ-Player/dp/B004= W38L9S/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1330035629&sr=3D8-1

I've= been researching CD DJ units for several years now, often
frustrated be= cause:
--Most are way more expensive than the should be ($1000 for a cd = player)?
--Many lack what I think should be basic features for a CD turn= table,
such 100% pitch/speed control.
--Most are way too large for a = CD turntable - they are made to fit
into a standard turntable dj coffin.=

This one looks smaller, and I got it for $200. I found a youtube vi= deo
where demonstrator actually showed off the useful features. (Mostdemos of CD DJ units assume the users only want to mix house music
trac= ks together.)

I'm pretty excited about it. It brings me one step clo= ser to desire to
try making instrumental hip-hop music. It will also be great = for
improv sessions. If I'm playing with a sax player or vocalist, I can=
manipulate recordings of them.

And yes, my breath smells like ea= rthworms while I'm waiting.


--
Matt Davignon
mat= tdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podom= atic.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt



=
---2114655128-1158235457-1330047235=:79810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 04:17:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B300F183477; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F470F34.7030400@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:16:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Davignon CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:17:03 +0000 (UTC) This looks really cool. Where did you find it for 200 smackers? I remember seeing Portisehead years ago where he had gone in and tracked individual tracks (like solo harmonica), pressed to vinyl and the scratched and pitch shifted it in to live tracks in a really amazing way. I remembered thinking 1) what a totally cool concept: create your own 'scratcheables' and 2) WOW!! you have to have a lot of money to do this. This looks like a great inexpensive solution to such stuff. .....and it's serendipitous that you mention doing live hip hop, because the young brother of a dear friend of mine who just died post heroin rehab is a rapper who I went and saw for the first time. He's really, really good, imho and he asked me if I'd consider making some tracks for him to write songs and raps over. I was really inspired seeing 5 different rappers at this open mic and realizing how much I love the grooves of hip hop. I might just be joining you in that endeavor coming up. I can't wait to hear what you come up with. I know it's gonna be good and unique. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 08:06:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9755183477; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.112.144 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.112.144; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.112.144 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MQEuBZX+278FAOo4fmkgSpSFkAlGWQRGjolSYKZBBjQ=; b=ma2qDSAlZuIpFTMeRjG2N7+nVpbpa0qlBc4VAidWqVqVL6hRqgcpSGobkWCraNx+I+ /pARfMKLSGSMaCNwh/K3gQ1Hb7AR597zrxLIkGdsUSreBD35xBMKOGT2Idp8FTIe1mIE H5seSx8mq/jhHqJ1tOZSiV9za3xhgNGRzd1sw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:06:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations, Matt! Nothing is like having one's palette extended! I too have a tax return instrument incoming but I'll have to wait a little longer for mine :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > My tax return gift-to-self this year is something I've been salivating > about for years. I'm waiting with baited breath for it to arrive. > > http://www.amazon.com/DJTECH-ISCRATCH101V2-Multi-Disc-DJ-Player/dp/B004W38L9S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330035629&sr=8-1 > > I've been researching CD DJ units for several years now, often > frustrated because: > --Most are way more expensive than the should be ($1000 for a cd player)? > --Many lack what I think should be basic features for a CD turntable, > such 100% pitch/speed control. > --Most are way too large for a CD turntable - they are made to fit > into a standard turntable dj coffin. > > This one looks smaller, and I got it for $200. I found a youtube video > where demonstrator actually showed off the useful features. (Most > demos of CD DJ units assume the users only want to mix house music > tracks together.) > > I'm pretty excited about it. It brings me one step closer to desire to > try making instrumental hip-hop music. It will also be great for > improv sessions. If I'm playing with a sax player or vocalist, I can > manipulate recordings of them. > > And yes, my breath smells like earthworms while I'm waiting. > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 09:10:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9343218345D; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.182.231.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.231.100; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.182.231.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=imuLEV957I09RCHYEHF0ykRAhWPaw5nVZFXUZFzefrk=; b=TvnJ/uA+n07gUtKTL+Fx6V/sa4Sds0WH1LE6vwShNsltDAlKT7Fw5Egp7tWKX1/jLw 4w7BskILtsr+Wk4EZR9dMzUxTAJCx5GK6cf4ngPhMXtB5hFcW1kOvfRKqhygkMK46gJK dhMK8ycibtVjKEmb8s6EpP9RbqDK3q4TfORYw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:10:08 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Aqfm5jRj1gZ_D7xO2TPVhHaDNzs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04479615bdbf0704b9b221e6 Resent-Message-ID: <3PpMFB.A.ABD.FQ1RPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:10:30 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04479615bdbf0704b9b221e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmm a tax return instrument, I wonder if this is a concept I could get my wife interested in..? I think not... Maybe a woodblock? or a whistle? On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Congratulations, Matt! Nothing is like having one's palette extended! > I too have a tax return instrument incoming but I'll have to wait a > little longer for mine :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04479615bdbf0704b9b221e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm a tax return instrument, I wonder if this is a concept I could get my w= ife interested in..? I think not... Maybe a woodblock? or a whistle?
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Congratulations, Matt! Nothing is like havin= g one's palette extended!
I too have a tax return instrument incoming but I'll have to wait a
little longer for mine =A0:-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


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twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d04479615bdbf0704b9b221e6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 09:23:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5BB4183473; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.170.163 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.170.163; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.170.163 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3UGjI2MI3Ji9oNgPXlznwsYXOecZ6c+VbC5bA0Fzk9M=; b=rk0kphI1YiFTek8o6+cJq9GUxUNdDBBh7Zr3fElTj0gz79tCCL6VnFzB4e3VWmoqF6 C4mf4EzwPknmGmsqgEdtOAu8D0PB8ZyFSYD4WjDC+hRuvgmuLGhIb50w00AMgFIrl3jN 2V256AhURir/RO1/NSgocqrr6r9A8tfW3UfFs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:23:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-nMgeC.A.NLD.bc1RPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Offer the wife to front your new band, The Return of The Tax Return Instruments. That might help. Per On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:10 AM, mark francombe w= rote: > Hmm a tax return instrument, I wonder if this is a concept I could get my > wife interested in..? I think not... Maybe a woodblock? or a whistle? > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Congratulations, Matt! Nothing is like having one's palette extended! >> I too have a tax return instrument incoming but I'll have to wait a >> little longer for mine =C2=A0:-) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 09:33:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE1B3183464; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.182.127.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.127.20; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.182.127.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=1SVIPmbK6UGTkp0jFcnY1d0HaZ4tTK8kzyRS5xCkaVM=; b=tT20kZOH0y74Ba9HOtCDX5PLwIzZVttWlqvixOM05OIkNQVBpi2bwf7pKv28uSWfcF 33hRJe8jyv9KvpxFfiqPtX1ZnmsAaAjoh43VOUkWeARy0Ew6uCXxqB9Z/fVkH0ssqO9H gEfTfzWqttONu4KidvoUNTHAyy0qiGpzxkV1w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:32:58 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: n1Mj2_Nrxp4Jbb80hIRIKbLLcWQ Message-ID: Subject: Audio routing internally on a mac To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b634466e70604b9b27399 Resent-Message-ID: <6wfZRC.A.sTD.fl1RPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:33:19 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93b634466e70604b9b27399 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Brain Freeze... Whats the little widgit I need to install to feed audio from one app into another? Ive been working in Quartz composer, making my silly interactive graphics, now I am normally just go Boo into the microphone, but now I now I have enough examples to record a few (trying to figure out a way to show actual Quartz patched in a webpage.. migth be possible, if you are on mac and have it instaled.. not there yet, s fgor now have to make a video) The way I do this is to import Quartz into Resolume, which is where I can control all the parameters from the audio better. But the audio in in Resolume has Audio in (the socket) Internal Microphone (the er.. Internal Microphone) and Ozone, (the input from my music gear) But I just want to play a mp3 on the computer and watch my quartz plun in fo its stuff, while fiming a screen capture. How can I get the audio into Resolume... theres a... a.... a....a thing.. forgotton the name of it.. M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --14dae93b634466e70604b9b27399 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brain Freeze...

Whats the little widgit I need to install to feed au= dio from one app into another?

Ive been working in Quartz composer, = making my silly interactive graphics, now I am normally just go Boo into th= e microphone, but now I now I have enough examples to record a few (trying = to figure out a way to show actual Quartz patched in a webpage.. migth be p= ossible, if you are on mac and have it instaled.. not there yet, s fgor now= have to make a video)
The way I do this is to import Quartz into Resolume, which is where I can c= ontrol all the parameters from the audio better.

But the audio in in= Resolume has Audio in (the socket) Internal Microphone (the er.. Internal = Microphone) and Ozone, (the input from my music gear) But I just want to pl= ay a mp3 on the computer and watch my quartz plun in fo its stuff, while fi= ming a screen capture.

How can I get the audio into Resolume... theres a... a.... a....a thing= .. forgotton the name of it..

M


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--14dae93b634466e70604b9b27399-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 09:42:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 292EF183474; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_801512d0-005d-4aa6-be77-9ff7d1417e0f_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Audio routing internally on a mac Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:42:54 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2012 09:42:54.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE72AB30:01CCF2D8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:42:56 +0000 (UTC) --_801512d0-005d-4aa6-be77-9ff7d1417e0f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it soundflower=2C or jack? Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Fri=2C 24 Feb 2012 10:32:58 +0100 Subject: Audio routing internally on a mac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Brain Freeze... Whats the little widgit I need to install to feed audio from one app into a= nother? Ive been working in Quartz composer=2C making my silly interactive graphics= =2C now I am normally just go Boo into the microphone=2C but now I now I ha= ve enough examples to record a few (trying to figure out a way to show actu= al Quartz patched in a webpage.. migth be possible=2C if you are on mac and= have it instaled.. not there yet=2C s fgor now have to make a video) The way I do this is to import Quartz into Resolume=2C which is where I can= control all the parameters from the audio better. But the audio in in Resolume has Audio in (the socket) Internal Microphone = (the er.. Internal Microphone) and Ozone=2C (the input from my music gear) = But I just want to play a mp3 on the computer and watch my quartz plun in f= o its stuff=2C while fiming a screen capture. How can I get the audio into Resolume... theres a... a.... a....a thing.. f= orgotton the name of it.. M --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_801512d0-005d-4aa6-be77-9ff7d1417e0f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it soundflower=2C or jack?


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: = garethwhittock.co= .uk

From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Fri=2C 24 Feb 2012 10:32:58 +0= 100
Subject: Audio routing internally on a mac
To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com

Brain Freeze...

Whats the little widgit I n= eed to install to feed audio from one app into another?

Ive been wor= king in Quartz composer=2C making my silly interactive graphics=2C now I am= normally just go Boo into the microphone=2C but now I now I have enough ex= amples to record a few (trying to figure out a way to show actual Quartz pa= tched in a webpage.. migth be possible=2C if you are on mac and have it ins= taled.. not there yet=2C s fgor now have to make a video)
The way I do this is to import Quartz into Resolume=2C which is where I can= control all the parameters from the audio better.

But the audio in = in Resolume has Audio in (the socket) Internal Microphone (the er.. Interna= l Microphone) and Ozone=2C (the input from my music gear) But I just want t= o play a mp3 on the computer and watch my quartz plun in fo its stuff=2C wh= ile fiming a screen capture.

How can I get the audio into Resolume... theres a... a.... a....a thing= .. forgotton the name of it..

M


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
= --_801512d0-005d-4aa6-be77-9ff7d1417e0f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 09:45:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA045183473; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Zgsf9AuoMOIiDHbmqZaYqTKBem4jcun0VTWNoWkiYOULPzA0CI7Gigs0HkitIedE; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-169--417802735 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Audio routing internally on a mac Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:45:15 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79300fc7285f6b9c3ddd113bf043f89587350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.142.17.64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:45:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-169--417802735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SoundFlower? Jack? On Feb 24, 2012, at 1:32 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Brain Freeze... > > Whats the little widgit I need to install to feed audio from one app > into another? > > Ive been working in Quartz composer, making my silly interactive > graphics, now I am normally just go Boo into the microphone, but now > I now I have enough examples to record a few (trying to figure out a > way to show actual Quartz patched in a webpage.. migth be possible, > if you are on mac and have it instaled.. not there yet, s fgor now > have to make a video) > The way I do this is to import Quartz into Resolume, which is where > I can control all the parameters from the audio better. > > But the audio in in Resolume has Audio in (the socket) Internal > Microphone (the er.. Internal Microphone) and Ozone, (the input from > my music gear) But I just want to play a mp3 on the computer and > watch my quartz plun in fo its stuff, while fiming a screen capture. > > How can I get the audio into Resolume... theres a... a.... a....a > thing.. forgotton the name of it.. > > M > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --Apple-Mail-169--417802735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SoundFlower? = Jack?


On Feb 24, 2012, at 1:32 AM, mark = francombe wrote:

Brain Freeze...

Whats the little widgit I need to = install to feed audio from one app into another?

Ive been working = in Quartz composer, making my silly interactive graphics, now I am = normally just go Boo into the microphone, but now I now I have enough = examples to record a few (trying to figure out a way to show actual = Quartz patched in a webpage.. migth be possible, if you are on mac and = have it instaled.. not there yet, s fgor now have to make a video)
= The way I do this is to import Quartz into Resolume, which is where I = can control all the parameters from the audio better.

But the = audio in in Resolume has Audio in (the socket) Internal Microphone (the = er.. Internal Microphone) and Ozone, (the input from my music gear) But = I just want to play a mp3 on the computer and watch my quartz plun in fo = its stuff, while fiming a screen capture.

How can I get the = audio into Resolume... theres a... a.... a....a thing.. forgotton the = name of it..

M


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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
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= --Apple-Mail-169--417802735-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 09:45:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73FB018348C; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.112.144 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.112.144; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.112.144 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3s/s09ZKMYfxxohdlMfKs447ltc0MAyF4vBYp6go4Io=; b=nBvYZEWmg4I8LFWU7SVGxeUk/f9wbbUlfeE/Zapfx2Qu+yerBmTXS/2kQDNIicYMAf BMyE+ll5lYrc/uh/yK7kMTzI2IMH8MuBwdFJGulqre6uPF+xYmLG1fpCl3/IyigNVOin QlRMw9AQKa7PGC7GSO7wVFl4VBs+NfcTWDfKE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:45:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Audio routing internally on a mac From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <5whspD.A.nnD.zw1RPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:45:23 +0000 (UTC) There are two: Jack Server and Soundflower. I have tried both and can't say that one works better than the other. But a problem might be the varying latency. With varying I mean that the audio is delayed by a different inertia depending on what else is going on in the system. This makes it impossible to compensate for that latency. Not saying it has to be a problem, that would depend on what you are doing. (myself I ended up pulling a loopback connection on the RME soundcard instead, since that latency is fixed and I could easily compensate for it). If your two applications support ReWire this is an efficient way to pipe synced audio between apps. However, a rewired host applications usually loses its option to host other third-party plugins durin rewire mode activities. A method I often grab for is to not pipe audio but snag it to a file and then import that file into the second app. I use Audio Hijack Pro for that, this awesome little appl can snag any audio stream happening in the computer, in any application or in an added audio interface. And you have total control of the audio format, supports all compression formats as well as higher sample rates. For users of RME audio interfaces there's also a way to digitally loop back an output into the computer to be fetched as input by a different parallel application. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Brain Freeze... > > Whats the little widgit I need to install to feed audio from one app into > another? > > Ive been working in Quartz composer, making my silly interactive graphics, > now I am normally just go Boo into the microphone, but now I now I have > enough examples to record a few (trying to figure out a way to show actual > Quartz patched in a webpage.. migth be possible, if you are on mac and have > it instaled.. not there yet, s fgor now have to make a video) > The way I do this is to import Quartz into Resolume, which is where I can > control all the parameters from the audio better. > > But the audio in in Resolume has Audio in (the socket) Internal Microphone > (the er.. Internal Microphone) and Ozone, (the input from my music gear) But > I just want to play a mp3 on the computer and watch my quartz plun in fo its > stuff, while fiming a screen capture. > > How can I get the audio into Resolume... theres a... a.... a....a thing.. > forgotton the name of it.. > > M > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 10:16:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 889C3183473; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.60.2.162 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.2.162; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.60.2.162 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=66fgR0ctwjYqATaVAtwday6/YoWKj3+InVn7wH7t8CY=; b=oh3YxxHnQgaxYXI29eBTJHrDzkyaFqws1jrV++zpaQk8EZcBvYqbk7o+AjQta1gMly c0zuX2n3QpkvNPW86fMzVOfirDHkf6OMFBilFjCLTA/JM3M9pZSwnKaGyBAZsgixaAMq eLJoAKlYI9R440YQz1wA3o9kQ+w6ieOFOjMVs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:16:35 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: t9oVUEHxCkuvUY6vKmtE5vyBVI8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Audio routing internally on a mac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83a7d762b8e804b9b30fd3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:16:56 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f83a7d762b8e804b9b30fd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK thx.. Soundflower worked... looks very delayed to me, but it not an audio app here, the audio is being used to trigger parameters on my Quartz animation... hardly important, so Soundflower does the job fine... Mark Gareth Whittock via markfrancombe.com 10:42 AM (33 minutes ago) to loopers-delight Is it soundflower, or jack? David Coffin dpcoffin@earthlink.net via markfrancombe.com 10:45 AM (30 minutes ago) to Loopers-Delight SoundFlower? Jack? On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > There are two: Jack Server and Soundflower. > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f83a7d762b8e804b9b30fd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK thx..
Soundflower worked... looks very delayed to me, but it not an a= udio app here, the audio is being used to trigger parameters on my Quartz a= nimation... hardly important, so Soundflower does the job fine...

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--e89a8f83a7d762b8e804b9b30fd3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 11:08:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E88D5183465; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEC0FBCB8D8D54_1984_2E4_web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35605-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEC0FBCB7A8224-1984-FF@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.183.246.188] Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 06:08:39 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1330081719; bh=arughpBvW3fNAgAYbMR5IJo0uKlYaedvLhz3MBBZFWw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ABStWJ2JTguMSUPVDeEFvd89p2EqPFfRT22ESrq39BKZyzyqfxnoMZwfwVGAwnYAq Q2qH5V8N6xCUXDWVR8Ls2vM2FPIhYCjw/8MJfQnEWRFlukCigUwTxZ/wCnIT+q9eLd R3dtfDJ5TgGoUlcXprsltYoeAWECEI5syeJsepfk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:467329440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894f476fb71bf1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:08:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEC0FBCB8D8D54_1984_2E4_web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Harmonicas are probably in that bracket also. PJ -----Original Message----- From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 4:10 am Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument Hmm a tax return instrument, I wonder if this is a concept I could get my w= ife interested in..? I think not... Maybe a woodblock? or a whistle? On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: Congratulations, Matt! Nothing is like having one's palette extended! I too have a tax return instrument incoming but I'll have to wait a little longer for mine :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ =20 ----------MB_8CEC0FBCB8D8D54_1984_2E4_web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Har= monicas are probably in that bracket also.

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Hmm a tax return instrument, I wonder if this is a concept I could get my w= ife interested in..? I think not... Maybe a woodblock? or a whistle?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Congratulations, Matt! Nothing is like havin= g one's palette extended!
I too have a tax return instrument incoming but I'll have to wait a
little longer for mine  :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




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 ----------MB_8CEC0FBCB8D8D54_1984_2E4_web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 14:27:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E354183474; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1674 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:27:20 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=rKk1agFFgRQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:17 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=VFLBUs1HAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=GKOo_YWU8Wlp5R4R85EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fJGllvGnWjCauwBrStgA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=bjRf2gj323cA:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:117 From: Richard Atkinson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--402740839 Subject: Re: Audio routing internally on a mac Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:56:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <8A78B8FB-6398-46EE-9BF3-CF9465DF1B78@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:27:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--402740839 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I haven't used it extensively, but when i want to 'borrow' audio from an = application, I use Rogue Amoeba's AUDIO HIJACK PRO. Check it out...might work for you? Rich On Feb 24, 2012, at 1:32 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Brain Freeze... >=20 > Whats the little widgit I need to install to feed audio from one app = into another? >=20 > Ive been working in Quartz composer, making my silly interactive = graphics, now I am normally just go Boo into the microphone, but now I = now I have enough examples to record a few (trying to figure out a way = to show actual Quartz patched in a webpage.. migth be possible, if you = are on mac and have it instaled.. not there yet, s fgor now have to make = a video) > The way I do this is to import Quartz into Resolume, which is where I = can control all the parameters from the audio better. >=20 > But the audio in in Resolume has Audio in (the socket) Internal = Microphone (the er.. Internal Microphone) and Ozone, (the input from my = music gear) But I just want to play a mp3 on the computer and watch my = quartz plun in fo its stuff, while fiming a screen capture. >=20 > How can I get the audio into Resolume... theres a... a.... a....a = thing.. forgotton the name of it.. >=20 > M >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--402740839 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I haven't used it extensively, but when i want to 'borrow' audio from an application, I use Rogue Amoeba's AUDIO HIJACK PRO.

Check it out...might work for you?

Rich

On Feb 24, 2012, at 1:32 AM, mark francombe wrote:

Brain Freeze...

Whats the little widgit I need to install to feed audio from one app into another?

Ive been working in Quartz composer, making my silly interactive graphics, now I am normally just go Boo into the microphone, but now I now I have enough examples to record a few (trying to figure out a way to show actual Quartz patched in a webpage.. migth be possible, if you are on mac and have it instaled.. not there yet, s fgor now have to make a video)
The way I do this is to import Quartz into Resolume, which is where I can control all the parameters from the audio better.

But the audio in in Resolume has Audio in (the socket) Internal Microphone (the er.. Internal Microphone) and Ozone, (the input from my music gear) But I just want to play a mp3 on the computer and watch my quartz plun in fo its stuff, while fiming a screen capture.

How can I get the audio into Resolume... theres a... a.... a....a thing.. forgotton the name of it..

M


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
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--Apple-Mail-1--402740839-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 16:10:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FC54183478; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of moinsound@googlemail.com designates 10.180.79.229 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.79.229; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of moinsound@googlemail.com designates 10.180.79.229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=moinsound@googlemail.com; dkim=pass header.i=moinsound@googlemail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UNOQ23q0c1oU5x0yfnPb27qljC59PGOM24+Yxpmifqk=; b=LoF57v19XrPaWmCJNfITHmJQxEn9K/lNZF0CEOq7I/h5FcC1Ch+djIl8oKt4CVsS5B pgfJfQYbMW4i1Suht29Z6iLVustGCbHQjPnUwMRMji/w91gq39jwNZ0Wo+0KTGDD97r5 K5Ts19ZO3b//r2oV2SrHfzx6KpeZPsro4ry4g= Message-ID: <4F47B669.1080209@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:10:17 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument References: <4F470F34.7030400@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F470F34.7030400@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1EKsDD.A.I0G.uZ7RPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker schrieb: > I remember seeing Portisehead years ago where he > had gone in and tracked individual tracks (like solo harmonica), > pressed to vinyl and the scratched and pitch shifted it in to > live tracks in a really amazing way. > > I remembered thinking > 1) what a totally cool concept: create your own 'scratcheables' > and > 2) WOW!! you have to have a lot of money to do this. The solution that might have been used here is Final Scratch or a competitor, where you use special timecode records, then send that timecode audio to a specific software, which you then use to playback any audio file according to how you move your vinyl. And while it's not as inexpensive as 200 bucks (and you still need your turntable, which you already have as a scratcher usually), it's not in the WOW!!/break your bank price range. -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 17:24:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A459183478; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4F47C7DF.003C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=frM3ubQMsGNQr4xvsYRL0w/vXhCHzSHejYyZ59KnNZI= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=7xh3d5YHAAAA:8 a=FVm9Zhzs4P0YcHMh_IcA:9 a=syBoUwQgRGW7S8PctS0A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=MdYG2f0NYqodYXep-WYA:9 a=2AmRA539CpePEkfDvSMA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: LP2 Owners Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:24:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C0_01CCF2D6.20CE35D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: AczzGSwh7nlmBUnNRaO8OFu68asvKw== Resent-Message-ID: <6nU_lC.A.RmH.gf8RPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:24:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01CCF2D6.20CE35D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everybody- A couple of months back there were some LP2s shipped. Has anyone else gotten theirs? My main source of information (apart from this list) is http://looperlative.posterous.com/ A post on 11/12/11 starts out, "LP2s are imminent." And back around Christmas, a few folks got theirs, but there were some issues. Bob's cell phone goes to mailbox, and the mailbox is full, and has been for quite some time. He has never answered my emails, either. Rick Walker has been generous with his information, but I hate to keep bugging him-and so I would like to hear from others, please (Rick, just ignore me, not trying to be a pest). Gary ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01CCF2D6.20CE35D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello everybody—

A couple of months back there were some LP2s shipped. = Has anyone else gotten theirs?

My main source of information (apart from this list) = is http://looperlative.posterous= .com/

A post on 11/12/11 starts out, = “LP2s are = imminent.”

And back around Christmas, a few folks got theirs, = but there were some issues.

Bob’s cell phone goes to mailbox, and the = mailbox is full, and has been for quite some time.

He has never answered my emails, = either.

Rick Walker has been generous with his information, = but I hate to keep bugging him—and so I would like to hear from others, = please (Rick, just ignore me, not trying to be a = pest).

 

Gary

 

------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01CCF2D6.20CE35D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 18:08:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B67A6183478; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.0.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.0.48; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.0.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xs3uWz1oef1LnzK1bTfo4DiTc2YEvbjwr4EAOsKLEzE=; b=QCqSRDiHpUpIgL/kd4LDD4vx3h+I8JdA4FSw9FPE+k/Ftdvq97geZXkjTOJwy3sOWn ho4o728hTZejmOMneSPkV/5eTiW53jbW2iH/oH+KdJVsAtwN0OKSt7T4xnlt4u4/X4Hm BBKexhtWiE6RhUjRvvmRnEn9QE8RFqRg+1b04= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F47B669.1080209@googlemail.com> References: <4F470F34.7030400@cruzio.com> <4F47B669.1080209@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:08:37 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2OtETC.A.UN.mI9RPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:08:38 +0000 (UTC) I'm curious - do turntable controllers consider the needle? I imagine a good turntable controller must have some sort of touch screen for the left hand, where you can "drop the needle" in different parts of a visual representation of the sound file. When I was a turntablist, I often thought of producing a record for other turntablists. (There's a name for those, I just can't think of it now.) Mine would've had one side be just locked grooves of chromatic and diatonic scales, so that one could play the turntable as a melodic instrument by dragging the needle across the grooves. Side 2 would've been split between sounds that scratch well (such as a person going "sssssss", "fffffffff" and "Shhhhhhh") and singular drum sounds that could be combined/looped to make rhythms. ...but I didn't have the idea until I was already migrating to drum machine, and I didn't know many turntablists at the time. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Rick Walker schrieb: > >> I remember seeing Portisehead years ago where he >> had gone in and tracked individual tracks (like solo harmonica), >> pressed to vinyl and the scratched and pitch shifted it in to >> live tracks in a really amazing way. >> >> I remembered thinking >> 1) what a totally cool concept: =A0 create your own 'scratcheables' >> and >> 2) =A0WOW!! you have to have a lot of money to do this. > > The solution that might have been used here is Final Scratch or a > competitor, where you use special timecode records, then send that timeco= de > audio to a specific software, which you then use to playback any audio fi= le > according to how you move your vinyl. And while it's not as inexpensive a= s > 200 bucks (and you still need your turntable, which you already have as a > scratcher usually), it's not in the WOW!!/break your bank price range. > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 19:11:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F22C183479; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 368262.82037.bm@smtp114.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: dPXdWggVM1na6djH3e6i_SBnO813VepB3.Ji9Sbo.K9jc8E f8ZYYqNaDdHQCW9ECQ2tup1lTCIj0yiCGXWNBd9r7jpFsEKW6I7fPaIJdJ9u fkXdFZU0fRcRu1A7ko3lTBxBf7PiUIq3OIl1IGRYkUdpmPzJSvnpD5brZfqU OvVjf2lb9wwnPV1IpWLVdglqdfuRrdQydRzPG6XuY1W7uUOnsPA684FkRSQV 4oMfOs_RJWSQFcI3jh1ECnLvP30ydP94xGA2Y24RAYaXTxv0bQ.J6ybJToJE nB7aELHMsm3wndWn1tGuxA6r1jUrGeXO7an5xXRbuhhSmXWktVLQVTYYsQjD p_a967OukVyffUkEhp9_ZiL_6_XlFKhQfHDD14fYHV50kyYs92CqX0OFMTqt BD4VqHuTNADq298jlZnyalCTsbzvdBvExCgueUOI- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: <4F47B669.1080209@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:11:51 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4A0C1CBB-5A92-439A-93CE-0A5E163800A0@carlsonarts.com> References: <4F470F34.7030400@cruzio.com> <4F47B669.1080209@googlemail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Um, are we supposed to wait until we get our tax return BEFORE we buy = new gear? I guess I got that backwards. . . Michael (3x09) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 19:13:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D26D183478; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.216.135.76 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.135.76; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.216.135.76 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7m3uSbv+b6ZwNj6eb4h/GTsZnP42N4ta7L0eZ0s1e2E=; b=vLJ/lt6T8390WHidnQ4bOOhTKNPg+eYY5w5Cjs3zdMt6uTtPubAuWXmMTr8eWl1SpU 2DUYlsJjGiiB++umLPGEFUWt57pwe641MneFdIsPNX8tYcN7OIfYxbHTQAkpdCpxp1PC JnRR8dU+o3wQBr5do3DNMLLOx+zd/OiDrk6/o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A0C1CBB-5A92-439A-93CE-0A5E163800A0@carlsonarts.com> References: <4F470F34.7030400@cruzio.com> <4F47B669.1080209@googlemail.com> <4A0C1CBB-5A92-439A-93CE-0A5E163800A0@carlsonarts.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:13:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d75df6291004b9ba8e63 Resent-Message-ID: <30Bl4D.A.zJB.lF-RPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:13:41 +0000 (UTC) --00504502d75df6291004b9ba8e63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable haha Michael, me tooooooooo! On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:11 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Um, are we supposed to wait until we get our tax return BEFORE we buy new > gear? I guess I got that backwards. . . > > Michael (3x09) > > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --00504502d75df6291004b9ba8e63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable haha Michael, me tooooooooo!

On Fri, Feb = 24, 2012 at 2:11 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote:
Um, are we supposed to wait until we get our tax return BEFORE we buy new g= ear? =A0I guess I got that backwards. . .

Michael (3x09)





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--=A0
Tips Across the Waters, a new app for = iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--00504502d75df6291004b9ba8e63-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 22:07:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B6B5183477; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F480A0C.80503@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:07:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Davignon CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Just ordered new instrument References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:07:18 +0000 (UTC) On 2/24/12 10:08 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > chromatic and diatonic scales, so that one could play the turntable as > a melodic instrument by dragging the needle across the grooves. This was the impetus for me having Bob add the 'mellotron' effect to the Looperlative LP-1. Like a typical sampler, the samples are not stretched (so tuning a sample down, elongates it and vice versa) but I figured out an interesting work around to this by making sure that I give each loop a transient at it's start. In this way, I make samples that are long with one sustaining pitch and created a preset combination to manipulate it, that goes: 1) retrigger loop (in this way, I get the transient, or ersatz 'click' of an organ upon triggering) 2) change pitch to minor 3rd (or whatever) I now have a set of three banks on my FCB 1010 footcontroller that has whatever three musical scales I'm obsessed with mapped to the first 8 midi commands. Currently, I have good old Dorian, Lydian b7 and Bhairav (a beautiful and palindromic Indian Rag that goes: 1 b2 nat3 4 5 b6 nat7 8va) programmed. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 23:39:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E818A183478; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.90.225 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.90.225; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.90.225 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SmUgxVFAWdp1OHcKqK8b9KK5CW0ObJIddHvsqyXhYfs=; b=geK+tWdkYOphCue8GA/ULY4trEiG2qDjPneQKRmHLdl2ooq19by7SIJ1dttoR+Lu+0 yK//ss9ZS1H+tE9b/FFesuM4+fI4iONFIsxcUpe+5K/xF3IeU48mzh8xy3QUAR5j7fAc MXCi1iB9XZZMBtYyp0vIG4MjJqLstleayn+CU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:39:25 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Any other youth here at LD? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043be0065d24c904b9be45ff Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:39:26 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043be0065d24c904b9be45ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I just one of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has graduated colloge already haha. --f46d043be0065d24c904b9be45ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I just one of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has graduated colloge already haha.

--f46d043be0065d24c904b9be45ff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 23:51:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FD9618347A; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_c1iJlNOkVar+EcqUyZR5yA)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-24_07:2012-02-24,2012-02-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202240254 References: In-reply-to: Message-id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8H7) From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:50:57 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:51:10 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_c1iJlNOkVar+EcqUyZR5yA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I act like a teenager D Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2012, at 3:39 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I just one of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has graduated colloge already haha. --Boundary_(ID_c1iJlNOkVar+EcqUyZR5yA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
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Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I just one of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has graduated colloge already haha.

--Boundary_(ID_c1iJlNOkVar+EcqUyZR5yA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 00:07:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4575C18347A; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 213245.60439.bm@omp1026.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330128470; bh=B3suFfK+delDumdjK739+VJVtuVxLjYltw74rzIce78=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nm9/XKWmEACVNZvmlBuu4S+/4fc7H9OW07brV+zhOSc4d2FOBoYMxBsOMw9IeEv1ZYBSqBJhjDmQ6CJt/1cMkFZY3AoEJj/FCbXDln/hkMt/5D8EaiKXy8SW5YXs4FbQJIJlbV+Nv6ybFEAgE6FCHVvoz20mR/eB6ekUUUU9qoU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vdTadXA1YJFf2G1ziu1noVSwT8eKMUuSxFrLBu12L3yXSrGhVVzsd9CoZV8mUwSF1SE+1D+cA79xox5WQmtC8wWo/TG7bPDRi0Q7LgfQq1IGkd1yrafyYerd/43kiqigX/Z8GRWMDXGAI5ga22msMgPA2NoXB+cND99Gwq1XXKs=; X-YMail-OSG: XHHQgM8VM1l6ob8Rm.tXaadLi3BrgOXwIDS1jsUhGcqjeIY gQgZGP1jjlhDHAyne.btkUynGlr6NnGagckGap231K3n6mAV2nWdInk91TTx 6lmukBlluVTLP3iHnRjV4hWX0GwwoQSvn0MzBSeH47CR1kLMfhmvXgh9GKOn DuRB92bl0z.iFIaXiwY9emz3Vvt4AavDrmVlGFJ8108luanj2vLrwDTdOL_J 0G94MlEvL__xcGFVp3LjJJTAuLgaIDK4ve4PFW3ot3X9wPnvI5q5bHorYuM2 EBSmggKD0ODaVQYhRRZCypa32emfvAaSRUr3MK0NByhDRqhe67T3.8iq9MUL F5rWoyl5zAXsGSzb3L6Gvlo_cE1XAahEwYFpBXMLkzhj.JB61so40RBxDuR8 evu_W2r3cJd8GnIHyrX4qirvoXM5rhxZe6qlPwZoz7vhBA9HufBueLRWu4dC MD5hcUP65h1DI1nhsG6vJSGROnIx9778KkjzGhB.3gJ.JeyRn.4SQpsDdZaL WDq7J1QH9o3VlqOBfS5M2e_1ee2RowOGRO6.zwFl58BdhZBaWuw4RupYjeWF ambpEkcUcobsGKlLpLgn2ZItv_.EPRHpjKSzgQXcsjGZHjKHHia5ANLmYhIS r8wIM3LLLQBtXITJwy_3Mpv3iflXYVX9ErRhTnVOnf3YHWX55sxcDRxFYIil aUxdOK8DeeO_l1R3nD3Eap60_NwxbJFIdBzf3KOZEX1_IjFANwKYwMWFFFWB 9h0R6_v_ScM8- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1330128470.45132.yint-ygo-j2me@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:07:53 +0000 (UTC) =0A Man, lots of excitement ovet a CD player! I took my refund, bought some new guitar strings and had a bender in Reno w= ith a hot tamale. ------------------------------ On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 10:08 AM PST Matt Davignon wrote: >I'm curious - do turntable controllers consider the needle? I imagine >a good turntable controller must have some sort of touch screen for >the left hand, where you can "drop the needle" in different parts of a >visual representation of the sound file. > >When I was a turntablist, I often thought of producing a record for >other turntablists. (There's a name for those, I just can't think of >it now.) Mine would've had one side be just locked grooves of >chromatic and diatonic scales, so that one could play the turntable as >a melodic instrument by dragging the needle across the grooves. Side 2 >would've been split between sounds that scratch well (such as a person >going "sssssss", "fffffffff" and "Shhhhhhh") and singular drum sounds >that could be combined/looped to make rhythms. > >...but I didn't have the idea until I was already migrating to drum >machine, and I didn't know many turntablists at the time. > > > >--=20 >Matt Davignon >mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosomemusic.com >Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > >On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Rainer Straschill > wrote: >> Rick Walker schrieb: >> >> I remember seeing Portisehead years ago where he >> had gone in and tracked individual tracks (like solo harmonica), >> pressed to vinyl and the scratched and pitch shifted it in to >> live tracks in a really amazing way. >> >> I remembered thinking >> 1) what a totally cool concept: =A0 create your own 'scratcheables' >> and >> 2) =A0WOW!! you have to have a lot of money to do this. >> >> The solution that might have been used here is Final Scratch or a >> competitor, where you use special timecode records, then send that timec= ode >> audio to a specific software, which you then use to playback any audio f= ile >> according to how you move your vinyl. And while it's not as inexpensive = as >> 200 bucks (and you still need your turntable, which you already have as = a >> scratcher usually), it's not in the WOW!!/break your bank price range. >> >> -- >> http://moinlabs.de >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 01:47:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19E37183486; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.41.161 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.41.161; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.41.161 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=eYfAELpZ+ReSxzMU3iQ4CDAFeqGa1OcY1KB6SXha23g=; b=R1F07Vdbngwyv0+C3r4Mr9Ggz3zC3bwG5SvUm01PuVNLNFVGXCtuOuF/T/znILy+3P ADFXKjO24S9YR6W2pY6FBy16f4p8UzesWamRyvrOz1dJN+0yLOz3aGwLQWNZHfUGKgDH DaZmIdfrI9asDB+Eq+yLnfvRyjLFB2HlahyDI= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:47:40 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:47:50 +0000 (UTC) They return taxes in Sweden? =20 :D Phil :) On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Congratulations, Matt! Nothing is like having one's palette extended! > I too have a tax return instrument incoming but I'll have to wait a > little longer for mine :-) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Matt Davignon = wrote: >> My tax return gift-to-self this year is something I've been = salivating >> about for years. I'm waiting with baited breath for it to arrive. >>=20 >> = http://www.amazon.com/DJTECH-ISCRATCH101V2-Multi-Disc-DJ-Player/dp/B004W38= L9S/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1330035629&sr=3D8-1 >>=20 >> I've been researching CD DJ units for several years now, often >> frustrated because: >> --Most are way more expensive than the should be ($1000 for a cd = player)? >> --Many lack what I think should be basic features for a CD turntable, >> such 100% pitch/speed control. >> --Most are way too large for a CD turntable - they are made to fit >> into a standard turntable dj coffin. >>=20 >> This one looks smaller, and I got it for $200. I found a youtube = video >> where demonstrator actually showed off the useful features. (Most >> demos of CD DJ units assume the users only want to mix house music >> tracks together.) >>=20 >> I'm pretty excited about it. It brings me one step closer to desire = to >> try making instrumental hip-hop music. It will also be great for >> improv sessions. If I'm playing with a sax player or vocalist, I can >> manipulate recordings of them. >>=20 >> And yes, my breath smells like earthworms while I'm waiting. >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 04:07:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505CF183478; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 04:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2D83F88DAC4B4F8E9DAF5A801C7918B0@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <1330128470.45132.yint-ygo-j2me@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1330128470.45132.yint-ygo-j2me@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Sonicbids Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 04:07:51 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 04:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone on LD ever dealt with them? Apparently it's the only way to be considered for the SXSW festival thang... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 07:30:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 648F218347A; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.90.225 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.90.225; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.90.225 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9tMaKfjcLuxjHW5DQP97qIux060zfMVX0JboHldXvQw=; b=s6XILuOVgbPtUkDRD1i2CfwJ7G9Yoff48VOvPWU/vu78sW0yg+lio2PRBTlmnx4s78 GCqDZhq7ducvEnnPk5cGthv4znKjyDJQEwbiObzVBHRa6O23XgTuMTsdbM9M+gU7Ei/u mlszqQgob7nqQpWpr9zQNjbBV9SP5EffHiSPQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:30:33 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043be0064c223a04b9c4da21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:30:35 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043be0064c223a04b9c4da21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a few days and after setting it up it up today i realized my dog peed on it... It still works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now because its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what? --f46d043be0064c223a04b9c4da21 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a few days an= d after setting it up it up today i realized=A0 my dog peed on it... It sti= ll works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now becaus= e its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what?

--f46d043be0064c223a04b9c4da21-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 07:52:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C23A18347A; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 693824.45768.bm@omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330156328; bh=INKK1djwJEfmyu/lRL1EnXTxQECU6fgSi2SE6lCldaU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=HB+O4cD3HMZK5QS8Puw1Y4UvNA4b4pRi/mzsH4Nvu8KklOeVu6vHLm+MswKoAdWECQx6tYbQoJ9lboKP8q/0JHJcFA6EWLeVPtjPpB0DzCTLPykkPhUPoNFyWcoF7g3Oovn2g/bpc7oyI5HsqqE6rYNWCiI5t35uRubUcKtNmGA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZQiM40cVM1kxDX7CuTRfEMo07SIrjbwRZ_CPOElGB5a0M0u BjLut8KYAKluAHNwiTPGkLnEOnUk9aIH.7u80iTvHrU2m4ll8tqNoIj5MNvt .doj4csH1fGRXeDZshGxbrzCJ0rUv0O2ARLr2B.iZzBeZkQ3CynYf2uVbGRh E.ixkk95S23rSJI8jOfwlv78UzZXbFnVq7V6jAksTVB_RIAjEQ6X_uGpHZqx 5Rld3dILxZFKpjuKhXpLRIFYy6c3xwuDBFJi0bDt3qk7nSD5QmhFRHL.Ws1C HuDZ3h4SkcIWkAs55.QbErMYW61c57kA4qeluRniZBdFxfR.5Q2E.hlc7PEv wdYHYCEgvTcLozE7RxnKZpBHm43gC53vXBk5UzN8wIQD1xrt40tQqtVP.BWF V1RY2gElKXtByf5.g X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--338190929 Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:52:07 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <789BC135-EEAC-4276-9CF5-B5AB1CF88A74@carlsonarts.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:52:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--338190929 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, you gotta open it up and clean it. There are products you can get = to clean up pet urine and remove the stink. Don't just spray it in = there, I suggest opening it up, spraying it on a rag, and cleaning it up = with the rag, then putting it back together. =20 And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't get jealous and = pee on your gear. Michael (3x09) On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a few days = and after setting it up it up today i realized my dog peed on it... It = still works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now = because its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what? >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--338190929 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Well, you gotta open it up and clean it.  There are products you can get to clean up pet urine and remove the stink.  Don't just spray it in there, I suggest opening it up, spraying it on a rag, and cleaning it up with the rag, then putting it back together.  

And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't get jealous and pee on your gear.

Michael (3x09)

On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a few days and after setting it up it up today i realized  my dog peed on it... It still works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now because its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what?


--Apple-Mail-1--338190929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 08:02:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA60318347A; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 736252382/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.176.212/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.176.212 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEEAKiUSE9V0rDU/2dsb2JhbAAMNrIIAQKDfgEBAQQ4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAb8pixR2gREnAgIHBgQDBAMIBAoHGgEBAQECAQIChQIPCQsEDAJTgx4EmwaNJA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,480,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="736252382" Message-ID: <4F4895BD.4050602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:03:09 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4BCsTC.A.w2H.yWJSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:02:58 +0000 (UTC) kay'lon rushing wrote: > graduated > colloge already haha. well yes, *some* of us may be over 20 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 08:03:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6A9F183479; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.216.131.29 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.131.29; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.216.131.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fNcoeGjimjFWEuNT9zj3FqJSJlpR2u183zWk6B7UI3Q=; b=pyxalgj/6PIQ/kGyPTv+wwZE5Gy1tu3RKSt18sXgk4N/msWi5GASR1pN0YzJCaQaLm yZClEjjQcVhXEzFGoOJoZXz3JTsT8ievAFSud1MBuM+ssQgm8BqY5m+CPo+1FreSo5Ne 7tIKDQTIxXN7Wv2yWIGB+KpT4aHymqsP01mF4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <789BC135-EEAC-4276-9CF5-B5AB1CF88A74@carlsonarts.com> References: <789BC135-EEAC-4276-9CF5-B5AB1CF88A74@carlsonarts.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:03:55 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d58f6f9b349604b9c5513a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:03:56 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d58f6f9b349604b9c5513a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its an M-audio axiom 61. Is that even safe to open? On Feb 24, 2012 11:52 PM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Well, you gotta open it up and clean it. There are products you can get > to clean up pet urine and remove the stink. Don't just spray it in there, > I suggest opening it up, spraying it on a rag, and cleaning it up with the > rag, then putting it back together. > > And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't get jealous and > pee on your gear. > > Michael (3x09) > > On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a few days and > after setting it up it up today i realized my dog peed on it... It still > works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now because > its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what? > > > --0016e6d58f6f9b349604b9c5513a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Its an M-audio axiom 61. Is that even safe to open?

On Feb 24, 2012 11:52 PM, "TripleOhNine&quo= t; <3x09@carlsonarts.com>= wrote:
Well, you gotta open it up and clean it= . =A0There are products you can get to clean up pet urine and remove the st= ink. =A0Don't just spray it in there, I suggest opening it up, spraying= it on a rag, and cleaning it up with the rag, then putting it back togethe= r. =A0

And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't = get jealous and pee on your gear.

Michael (3x09)

On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wr= ote:

Left my keyboard standing up sideways agai= nst the wall for a few days and after setting it up it up today i realized= =A0 my dog peed on it... It still works but the low keys stink and have cru= sty, scratchy action now because its dried up between them and possibly und= er them. Now what?


--0016e6d58f6f9b349604b9c5513a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 08:14:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14645183474; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 363725.15599.bm@omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330157660; bh=0jtC4P15AtdctqYQzAsk83T/y9YwBGvCQalNm1WeQA4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=lB9dIzqSix4qX0tVpbw/vMLAMQrgK/hJuuJiXZ7GlSGLH+42c5JJ9BIJ8D6xR945kpDnnDtZMwMj08I0pEHgYAM7ypv31Q5A5LxLFji8LYmoG0XMhvi37YbfeeRlDp7Op28jU6X8P3+KZJAUDDklp+ndH2pF1ymrYoIKmqZupns= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ME7DSwEVM1nJwte4Rqg0NNnpms19d1C.Wpwd9aVekKXNP2_ V4L0Z3Kpu2E7l59hU1O3Y0G5CP7GyHMTJ2GAMh_ocScr4R05Unj3nqwI1zZV pnVU.LdwLH6o1O_rxz847rGnnTjatGIUGvHOOX8eIyLrzKifhq6UMB_mhm2W Wl63Am4Nu.10jbhiBsOWRWtzJFPfKWTIs7q_5MhajmOjzLWrAe_eJML4UX_T KzHjC0R0Vktw6cI.2MnQvwg6cLq0WEwTTPvX17L5It6uUQfeSuBDb_Ec4r1l l.UiPWGV2En5yMFEtsI8B9DBeOEA06Xs5o.JUrsLbTWkCJq_uYQFwad_BIk0 6lHVxHXlWcnS1hfCBnDCV.xtmqSqBln8_MK1EXR6nrdtr1QuzOEHX05t5phM rd9vWuPoA0SidYvGWsDLhduerH0KT7g770W_hredv2.qARL0LJOn.Y1.Fvoj .ZPS5QFw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--336858650 Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:14:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <789BC135-EEAC-4276-9CF5-B5AB1CF88A74@carlsonarts.com> Message-Id: <4C4CFC22-0590-4F36-BA33-B9D9D12C152A@carlsonarts.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:14:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--336858650 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, its got pee in it so you haven't got a lot to lose, right? If it = was safe for your dog to pee on it without electrocution then you should = be fine opening it up. Your dog hasn't been limping or anything, has = it? Just unplug it from the wall first, and remove any batteries if it has = them. =20 Just don't lose the screws and try to remember where they go. You might = take a picture of the thing, then print it out, then tape the screws = onto the picture where they go so you remember where to put them back. Michael (3x09) On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Its an M-audio axiom 61. Is that even safe to open? >=20 > On Feb 24, 2012 11:52 PM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Well, you gotta open it up and clean it. There are products you can = get to clean up pet urine and remove the stink. Don't just spray it in = there, I suggest opening it up, spraying it on a rag, and cleaning it up = with the rag, then putting it back together. =20 >=20 > And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't get jealous = and pee on your gear. >=20 > Michael (3x09) >=20 > On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >=20 >> Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a few days = and after setting it up it up today i realized my dog peed on it... It = still works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now = because its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what? >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-2--336858650 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well, its got pee in it so you haven't got a lot to lose, right?  If it was safe for your dog to pee on it without electrocution then you should be fine opening it up.  Your dog hasn't been limping or anything, has it?

Just unplug it from the wall first, and remove any batteries if it has them.  

Just don't lose the screws and try to remember where they go.  You might take a picture of the thing, then print it out, then tape the screws onto the picture where they go so you remember where to put them back.

Michael (3x09)




On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Its an M-audio axiom 61. Is that even safe to open?

On Feb 24, 2012 11:52 PM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote:
Well, you gotta open it up and clean it.  There are products you can get to clean up pet urine and remove the stink.  Don't just spray it in there, I suggest opening it up, spraying it on a rag, and cleaning it up with the rag, then putting it back together.  

And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't get jealous and pee on your gear.

Michael (3x09)

On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a few days and after setting it up it up today i realized  my dog peed on it... It still works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now because its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what?



--Apple-Mail-2--336858650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 08:26:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 016B818347A; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.92.73 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.92.73; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.92.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VBoe8Ph34xUvu9i681GadnasxvjZl3/D7YK/G8e5RTI=; b=fkzUDrUZX2NZGDZrOc6nMqXqkuOnya95ZkGTX7NXKnlEbidN7D/0YcneTkMnnZ+v58 USgqAi6s1UuEDr9Ec7Rf7u9wL3Wd91WUn3R/lhspc5lpVCBqcVHsqEujQ/+b6VkkVSzs SCGnOSoE2ASElJXZMs4XBiT1hk2jsSCDWYHzs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C4CFC22-0590-4F36-BA33-B9D9D12C152A@carlsonarts.com> References: <789BC135-EEAC-4276-9CF5-B5AB1CF88A74@carlsonarts.com> <4C4CFC22-0590-4F36-BA33-B9D9D12C152A@carlsonarts.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:26:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043892c568421d04b9c5a112 Resent-Message-ID: <3F1lfC.A.9S.nsJSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:26:15 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043892c568421d04b9c5a112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It was unplugged when he did it. And dried up before i ever turned it on so it still works fine. So idk whether i should do it or not :p On Feb 25, 2012 12:14 AM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Well, its got pee in it so you haven't got a lot to lose, right? If it > was safe for your dog to pee on it without electrocution then you should be > fine opening it up. Your dog hasn't been limping or anything, has it? > > Just unplug it from the wall first, and remove any batteries if it has > them. > > Just don't lose the screws and try to remember where they go. You might > take a picture of the thing, then print it out, then tape the screws onto > the picture where they go so you remember where to put them back. > > Michael (3x09) > > > > > On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Its an M-audio axiom 61. Is that even safe to open? > On Feb 24, 2012 11:52 PM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > >> Well, you gotta open it up and clean it. There are products you can get >> to clean up pet urine and remove the stink. Don't just spray it in there, >> I suggest opening it up, spraying it on a rag, and cleaning it up with the >> rag, then putting it back together. >> >> And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't get jealous and >> pee on your gear. >> >> Michael (3x09) >> >> On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >> Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a few days and >> after setting it up it up today i realized my dog peed on it... It still >> works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now because >> its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what? >> >> >> > --f46d043892c568421d04b9c5a112 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It was unplugged when he did it. And dried up before i ever turned it on= so it still works fine. So idk whether i should do it or not :p

On Feb 25, 2012 12:14 AM, "TripleOhNine&quo= t; <3x09@carlsonarts.com>= wrote:
Well, its got pee in it so you hav= en't got a lot to lose, right? =A0If it was safe for your dog to pee on= it without electrocution then you should be fine opening it up. =A0Your do= g hasn't been limping or anything, has it?

Just unplug it from the wall first, and remove any batteries= if it has them. =A0

Just don't lose the screws and = try to remember where they go. =A0You might take a picture of the thing, th= en print it out, then tape the screws onto the picture where they go so you= remember where to put them back.

Michael (3x09)




On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrot= e:

Its an M-audio axiom 61. Is that e= ven safe to open?

On Feb 24, 2012 11:52 PM, "TripleOhNine&quo= t; <3x09@carls= onarts.com> wrote:
Well, you gotta open it up and clean it= . =A0There are products you can get to clean up pet urine and remove the st= ink. =A0Don't just spray it in there, I suggest opening it up, spraying= it on a rag, and cleaning it up with the rag, then putting it back togethe= r. =A0

And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't = get jealous and pee on your gear.

Michael (3x09)

On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wr= ote:

Left my keyboard standing up sideways agai= nst the wall for a few days and after setting it up it up today i realized= =A0 my dog peed on it... It still works but the low keys stink and have cru= sty, scratchy action now because its dried up between them and possibly und= er them. Now what?



--f46d043892c568421d04b9c5a112-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 10:14:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA56E183478; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1796 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:14:57 UTC Message-ID: <4F48AD9D.2090009@pacifier.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:45:01 -0800 From: David Messenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- References: <789BC135-EEAC-4276-9CF5-B5AB1CF88A74@carlsonarts.com> <4C4CFC22-0590-4F36-BA33-B9D9D12C152A@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060105020207040204090508" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:14:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060105020207040204090508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'd be surprised how easy something like this is to do. It's a mechanical fix, not at all complicated. D. On 2/25/2012 12:26 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > It was unplugged when he did it. And dried up before i ever turned it > on so it still works fine. So idk whether i should do it or not :p > > On Feb 25, 2012 12:14 AM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com > > wrote: > > Well, its got pee in it so you haven't got a lot to lose, right? > If it was safe for your dog to pee on it without electrocution > then you should be fine opening it up. Your dog hasn't been > limping or anything, has it? > > Just unplug it from the wall first, and remove any batteries if it > has them. > > Just don't lose the screws and try to remember where they go. You > might take a picture of the thing, then print it out, then tape > the screws onto the picture where they go so you remember where to > put them back. > > Michael (3x09) > > > > > On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> Its an M-audio axiom 61. Is that even safe to open? >> >> On Feb 24, 2012 11:52 PM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com >> > wrote: >> >> Well, you gotta open it up and clean it. There are products >> you can get to clean up pet urine and remove the stink. >> Don't just spray it in there, I suggest opening it up, >> spraying it on a rag, and cleaning it up with the rag, then >> putting it back together. >> >> And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't get >> jealous and pee on your gear. >> >> Michael (3x09) >> >> On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >>> Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a >>> few days and after setting it up it up today i realized my >>> dog peed on it... It still works but the low keys stink and >>> have crusty, scratchy action now because its dried up >>> between them and possibly under them. Now what? >>> >> > --------------060105020207040204090508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'd be surprised how easy something like this is to do. It's a mechanical fix, not at all complicated.

D.

On 2/25/2012 12:26 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

It was unplugged when he did it. And dried up before i ever turned it on so it still works fine. So idk whether i should do it or not :p

On Feb 25, 2012 12:14 AM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote:
Well, its got pee in it so you haven't got a lot to lose, right?  If it was safe for your dog to pee on it without electrocution then you should be fine opening it up.  Your dog hasn't been limping or anything, has it?

Just unplug it from the wall first, and remove any batteries if it has them.  

Just don't lose the screws and try to remember where they go.  You might take a picture of the thing, then print it out, then tape the screws onto the picture where they go so you remember where to put them back.

Michael (3x09)




On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:03 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Its an M-audio axiom 61. Is that even safe to open?

On Feb 24, 2012 11:52 PM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote:
Well, you gotta open it up and clean it.  There are products you can get to clean up pet urine and remove the stink.  Don't just spray it in there, I suggest opening it up, spraying it on a rag, and cleaning it up with the rag, then putting it back together.  

And try to pay more attention to your dog so it doesn't get jealous and pee on your gear.

Michael (3x09)

On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Left my keyboard standing up sideways against the wall for a few days and after setting it up it up today i realized  my dog peed on it... It still works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now because its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what?




--------------060105020207040204090508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 10:47:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEB2D183479; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07FEBC2F41414198A5A91B48663A754E@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4F4895BD.4050602@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F4895BD.4050602@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:47:25 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: <7foAVD.A.qWB.3wLSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Eh? What's that, sonny? :) -----Original Message----- From: andy butler Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? kay'lon rushing wrote: > graduated > colloge already haha. well yes, *some* of us may be over 20 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 13:44:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 824B7183477; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 05:43:51 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:44:01 +0000 (UTC) On 2/24/12 3:39 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I > just one of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has > graduated colloge already haha. > graduated from college?.............there are tons of people on this list, including me, in their 50s and 60s, Kay'lon.......two of us have even passed away since this list (that I know of).....Dr. Richard Zvonar and Kim Flint, our founder. It's nice to have some youthful energy on this list......thanks for all your posts and all of your philosophical questions. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 13:57:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F614183473; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.79.195 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.79.195; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.79.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i/83i6DJYcfdCGCCMaDgkdp6swzvDbzTCo6Ff95qRY8=; b=AOGwgn4c6VRhyjwytvUCq7R2T8ztmVak5kWIF1l+V220mL0LIHs0CTwXlezzh4YQxC QPcwzbXM7DW7m0mrBMB52koOf8NDtD4c/SzEDP0788Y3HvPkMk43+vgtbQxB3ssk6rGz YRB6+rIpgALbgj2vUzkvL/LszfL88QzOSD2t4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:57:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Another funny detail I've noticed with this list, there seems to be a lot of American members. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen 'overseas' ;-) On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 2/24/12 3:39 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >> >> Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I just >> one of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has graduated >> colloge already haha. >> > graduated from college?.............there are tons of people on this list= , > including me, =C2=A0in their 50s and 60s, Kay'lon.......two of us have ev= en > passed away since this list (that I know of).....Dr. Richard Zvonar > and Kim Flint, our founder. > > > It's nice to have some youthful energy on this list......thanks for all y= our > posts and all of your > philosophical questions. > > yours, =C2=A0 Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 15:45:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3D9B183479; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c62248c1-4e10-42f7-bd44-95284cbd926b_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:45:16 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2012 15:45:16.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[78420270:01CCF3D4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:45:17 +0000 (UTC) --_c62248c1-4e10-42f7-bd44-95284cbd926b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Circuits will need a very good cleaning or it will destroy the board. If it= has great value you might find a shop to do it before it turns to junk. = --_c62248c1-4e10-42f7-bd44-95284cbd926b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Circuits will need a very good c= leaning or it will destroy the board. If it has great value you might find = a shop to do it before it turns to junk.
= --_c62248c1-4e10-42f7-bd44-95284cbd926b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 17:04:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6189C183479; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 17:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.77.228 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.77.228; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.77.228 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=b6uu4mnw68DC2UzAN45TJmA+xK6r+OxBx+PQuIj86rk=; b=J7mNJrwemdkLN9j9rB9EQGnNoBB9N3lFjQirQbIE7sQSYmhAkqe21+cXmY7yGofaAE uO5q6UaFobZJZj1M/EljJgVmOp/+bDO+C9Hufi3lYkbD0rhlu1Uzc69BVfyNDtE8183e qfZ/+o5KCi8Nzww31mJlUcy3AmeuDovZq1DHM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:04:16 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043be1360aeffb04b9ccdedc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 17:04:17 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043be1360aeffb04b9ccdedc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What kind of shop would i go to repair a midi controller? I barely see music stores in this city. On Feb 25, 2012 7:45 AM, "joy_top top" wrote: > Circuits will need a very good cleaning or it will destroy the board. If > it has great value you might find a shop to do it before it turns to junk. > --f46d043be1360aeffb04b9ccdedc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What kind of shop would i go to repair a midi controller? I barely see m= usic stores in this city.

On Feb 25, 2012 7:45 AM, "joy_top top"= <joy_top@hotmail.com> wro= te:
Circuits will need a very good cleaning or it will de= stroy the board. If it has great value you might find a shop to do it befor= e it turns to junk.
--f46d043be1360aeffb04b9ccdedc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 17:04:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01BFF18347A; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 17:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.107.99 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.107.99; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.107.99 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EHWiun+LG9L5lIIuVXJvj77yimiO7fHKWMhlE84oM48=; b=SNBDSFuFdAjDCoX+8MKBXdE1LCdwNGFLG0OKTjQpAumFX8V9gI2AhrzXcWPRA3jVpj yqvU6cH6QYidp5amUgkfVkayYZxXqw0OEpUG9XnhUZDZvpVxDwtmt95K0wBPuK6WvSNk YwsXfNS63+2HMKaN9w2C5JUX4EoezQBs/Xwlo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:04:51 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f235581223b1b04b9cce096 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 17:04:52 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f235581223b1b04b9cce096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I FEEL SO ALONE lol On Feb 25, 2012 5:57 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Another funny detail I've noticed with this list, there seems to be a > lot of American members. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > 'overseas' ;-) > > > On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > On 2/24/12 3:39 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> > >> > >> Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I just > >> one of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has graduated > >> colloge already haha. > >> > > graduated from college?.............there are tons of people on this > list, > > including me, in their 50s and 60s, Kay'lon.......two of us have even > > passed away since this list (that I know of).....Dr. Richard Zvonar > > and Kim Flint, our founder. > > > > > > It's nice to have some youthful energy on this list......thanks for all > your > > posts and all of your > > philosophical questions. > > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > > > --e89a8f235581223b1b04b9cce096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I FEEL SO ALONE lol

On Feb 25, 2012 5:57 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Another funny detail I've noticed with this list, there seems to be a lot of American members.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
'overseas' ;-)


On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/12 3:39 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I= just
>> one of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has gradu= ated
>> colloge already haha.
>>
> graduated from college?.............there are tons of people on this l= ist,
> including me, =A0in their 50s and 60s, Kay'lon.......two of us hav= e even
> passed away since this list (that I know of).....Dr. Richard Zvonar > and Kim Flint, our founder.
>
>
> It's nice to have some youthful energy on this list......thanks fo= r all your
> posts and all of your
> philosophical questions.
>
> yours, =A0 Rick Walker
>
>

--e89a8f235581223b1b04b9cce096-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 18:50:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D94C6183486; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.129.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.129.69; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.129.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Ya4/5rshrMd0JBZ9usC5RnJL9B5R1yhwZ4/uoA8ThFU=; b=s0vMJjDoD7AcFsIJPpt4MK34iJkITAjgtRgxFF5GI9wxQJfrn1oAMLsK/Qd6x3shD3 4rpWBA/DGwEnzN5qjH7tIzHilFeFPRdjZCHH7BkK1U5cVLMXbzHDxN+XxO+8sq44w4fK zWGpO7OOjB2QDBEz7LrIDQajOJRrrV+X9Efo0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:50:02 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _rRcoazgogJaRiqGkkR2k3ZMd5M Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c647b77e09c04b9ce590d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:50:23 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c647b77e09c04b9ce590d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nah.. just open it up and spray some alcohol in... You know when I first read your first post all..." It still works but the low keys stink and have crusty, scratchy action now because its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what?" I nearly wrote.. A sack and rocks... But I commiserate with you... I have a very swish road worthy proffesh pedal board flight case.. STINKS of Cat pee.. My cat thinks its his Kitty Litter.. I really cant use it any more... for danger of the pedals getting damages... The GR30 is no longer editable ad the EDIT button is completely stuck... Luckily Im pretty happy with all my patches ha ha! On Feb 25, 2012 7:45 AM, "joy_top top" wrote: > >> Circuits will need a very good cleaning or it will destroy the board. If >> it has great value you might find a shop to do it before it turns to junk. >> > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c647b77e09c04b9ce590d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nah.. just open it up and spray some alcohol in...

You know when I f= irst read your first post all..." It still works but the low keys stin= k and have crusty, scratchy action=20 now because its dried up between them and possibly under them. Now what?&qu= ot;

I nearly wrote.. A sack and rocks...

But I commiserate wi= th you... I have a very swish road worthy proffesh pedal board flight case.= . STINKS of Cat pee.. My cat thinks its his Kitty Litter.. I really cant us= e it any more... for danger of the pedals getting damages... The GR30 is no= longer editable ad the EDIT button is completely stuck... Luckily Im prett= y happy with all my patches ha ha!


On Feb 25, 2012 7:45 AM, "joy_top top"= <joy_top@hotma= il.com> wrote:
Circuits will need a very good cleaning or it will de= stroy the board. If it has great value you might find a shop to do it befor= e it turns to junk.



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--f46d042c647b77e09c04b9ce590d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 18:55:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96F2F183479; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.102.145 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.102.145; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.102.145 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=BIcHu6ERkH7pMDnpLo03d/RMQKJLErTt32qqjzdjPzM=; b=J4CIogN/eMmoq/RqrQmyhZ1eCgNxuulIrd2RIIKxRbfNR4PBAubWAs0RnC9Xj1X7h4 emuPXxnfOfIsyvy9vgWk3QmTEAxn0vHRc/eqBo/TED64R2l7/0vHUDog+eSgDvpwsIGi SBGl67J1khB538A6qOqUshov4OkFaNBXtWY1w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:54:58 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7kQ-vwN01QNrzHk5qXkwmFfV1us Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088c4f1c0b7204b9ce6bfa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:55:19 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04088c4f1c0b7204b9ce6bfa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:04 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I FEEL SO ALONE lol > > Just wait 30 years.. youll be the oldie then and the kids will be saying... So Gramps, what was it like when you had to have software to loop? and you can be.. ah well sonny... it was tough, we had to have computers and drivers and sound cards and cables and ... they wont be listening by then and they'll just be thousands of LOL LOL LOL materializing in your brain-chip... M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04088c4f1c0b7204b9ce6bfa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:04 PM, kay'lon rushing <= k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>

I FEEL SO ALONE lol



Just wait 30 years.. yo= ull be the oldie then and the kids will be saying... So Gramps, what was it= like when you had to have software to loop? and you can be.. ah well sonny= ... it was tough, we had to have computers and drivers and sound cards and = cables and ... they wont be listening by then and they'll just be thous= ands of LOL LOL LOL materializing in your brain-chip...


M
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--f46d04088c4f1c0b7204b9ce6bfa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:12:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 904C3183478; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAO8xSU8yaCYH/2dsb2JhbABDsxiCewEBBDgCTwtGV4gftmKNQgICBwYEBwMFAw4JDQEJAQECAQIBAgKFCoEAgjtjBIhPkkuDXYlT X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,481,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="230402415" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.38.7] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.38.7 Message-Id: <57B4FEA7-4BE6-4DE0-869A-89387F3EF532@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:11:17 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:12:42 +0000 (UTC) If it makes you feel any better, my cat peed on one of my microphones. Soaked right through the carrying case/bag and into the mic. You can read all about it on gearslutz.com, if you're so inclined. I got some hilarious replies. ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:26:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B327C183486; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=CnCbM8ahEU8A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=VFLBUs1HAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=neS_FGv0MzKFknwiPSYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zMq8AnxmSYkA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=gzlsiZvsu82dtINAktQA:9 a=qA3flECNtNKHWvpz1_YA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=bjRf2gj323cA:10 a=2b00sNZHPGWTqAV3PBVS/Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0A89A87A-2DF1-4A79-92BC-DFECDFE97E4F X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <45C64CE7-C3A0-4429-B51D-62D98B91960C@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:26:36 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:26:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-0A89A87A-2DF1-4A79-92BC-DFECDFE97E4F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Me, I'm older than dinosaur poop. But I'm very immature.=20 I'm interested in finding other people who've looped a banjo (vintage punk/n= ew wave songs).=20 I'm in eastern KY but I think I'd be painting myself into a corner no matter= where I lived.=20 Chaz Worm Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2012, at 1:54 PM, mark francombe wrote: > On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:04 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:= > I FEEL SO ALONE lol >=20 >=20 >=20 > Just wait 30 years.. youll be the oldie then and the kids will be saying..= . So Gramps, what was it like when you had to have software to loop? and you= can be.. ah well sonny... it was tough, we had to have computers and driver= s and sound cards and cables and ... they wont be listening by then and they= 'll just be thousands of LOL LOL LOL materializing in your brain-chip... >=20 >=20 > M > =20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-0A89A87A-2DF1-4A79-92BC-DFECDFE97E4F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Me, I'm older than dinosaur poop. But I'm very immature. 
I'm interested in finding other people who've looped a banjo (vintage punk/new wave songs). 
I'm in eastern KY but I think I'd be painting myself into a corner no matter where I lived. 

Chaz Worm

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2012, at 1:54 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:04 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

I FEEL SO ALONE lol



Just wait 30 years.. youll be the oldie then and the kids will be saying... So Gramps, what was it like when you had to have software to loop? and you can be.. ah well sonny... it was tough, we had to have computers and drivers and sound cards and cables and ... they wont be listening by then and they'll just be thousands of LOL LOL LOL materializing in your brain-chip...


M
 
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

--Apple-Mail-0A89A87A-2DF1-4A79-92BC-DFECDFE97E4F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:35:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7392918348C; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:35:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Violet Xoxox Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5UkLxC.A.wOG.egTSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:35:59 +0000 (UTC) "kay'lon rushing" wrote: >I FEEL SO ALONE lol Invite your friends! If your friends aren't into looping or don't know what it is, just tell them there are hot girls in here. LOTS AND LOTS of hot girls. By the time they figure out it's just a bunch of 90-year-old dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers, they'll already be sucked in and won't be able to figure out how to unsub. ;) Violet xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:43:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3BB183475; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.127.136 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.127.136; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.127.136 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=coUwN22VeYO0HguvuYnwmohMuYJpWqcH9+t9JmHApr8=; b=R0FUTzGMfxDXoByv3CFrlqlTnDDmnvsD3hSHBz7wW+bGKx5V163yWfHy2jeZovGhKq aJgEmLycLNB2SkjzVtGASw19g5H7Ttbf8SvRkFlOdXjix1q6MwhanpBXphq8m2L3WOf9 88hG3jZvay2/vG5LgkJRlXbeM/JEUSpPEF9OA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:42:49 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PetwC9M_EXHOWJoohGv9aLfv5mE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c5f833ba5d604b9cf1695 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:43:10 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c5f833ba5d604b9cf1695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Violet Xoxox wrote: > it's just a bunch of 90-year-old > dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers > Just for the record... I'm NOT 90.. but sure... dentures I know about... adult diapers.. well no.. not yet, but Ill take any recommendations.. just in case.. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c5f833ba5d604b9cf1695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Violet Xoxox <violet@missviolet.com> wrot= e:
it's just a bunch of 90-year-old
dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers

J= ust for the record... I'm NOT 90.. but sure... dentures I know about...= adult diapers.. well no.. not yet, but Ill take any recommendations.. just= in case..



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--f46d042c5f833ba5d604b9cf1695-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:51:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1BC6183475; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.222.132 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.222.132; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.222.132 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=4pku3QfsGu3Cv0sayFPZko1BgYCWndmzMqcIeTGKliM=; b=VfUlEM+NHd2yyGjRxEEzRU2ydaWLnRfXtGvmn8CZpsU+XeOH5ZCy9JKP5pqqBuGjVZ xblIjGuh15tKMKpr9MILIh926xspY4lLqX3AvL5zh3Eid49TtAWn2GmWkjN0LaCZsPSf eC7xTqVvVH4Pcdfxx2p8RWz+Pfh5BoyDBUguk= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:51:46 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8058E85C-1107-41D3-A3C4-78CFDAD3591B@gmail.com> References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Really, nobody knows how to unsubscribe. On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Violet Xoxox wrote: > "kay'lon rushing" wrote: >> I FEEL SO ALONE lol > > Invite your friends! If your friends aren't into looping or don't know > what it is, just tell them there are hot girls in here. LOTS AND LOTS of > hot girls. By the time they figure out it's just a bunch of 90-year-old > dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers, they'll already be sucked > in and won't be able to figure out how to unsub. ;) > > Violet > xoxox > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:56:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C752A183475; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.28.169; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=s4WqQuDq36C3u5kI7hCAeowt3OsD4Z2gbkMBdrBFzQ4=; b=TCdwa2VAPe8L5Nv316CvHQV74aHBwNEtkAcU7nnk6yr6jOARHoyuPjEoIiBZOWPgUD BwCS3lkMq/fkc6EzXAQ9Wli52MAlhh9TlHElatKb8PK4zbuxYvZXLI338/JiwZCw2VxW 62X8M1UBUHSpOoljLHoXMAL4TtY6BdcGemVrA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <8058E85C-1107-41D3-A3C4-78CFDAD3591B@gmail.com> References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> <8058E85C-1107-41D3-A3C4-78CFDAD3591B@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:56:07 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: iwPpzd9DVEgz0_vVDx8iUXZuLXU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d832cccfb504b9cf45e3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:56:28 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d832cccfb504b9cf45e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, we know... but we=B4re not telling... if you want to unsubscribe, you haven't been here long enough, by the time you find out how to unsub.. you are hooked and dont want to leave... On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Phil Clevenger w= rote: > Really, nobody knows how to unsubscribe. > > On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Violet Xoxox wrote: > > > "kay'lon rushing" wrote: > >> I FEEL SO ALONE lol > > > > Invite your friends! If your friends aren't into looping or don't know > > what it is, just tell them there are hot girls in here. LOTS AND LOTS = of > > hot girls. By the time they figure out it's just a bunch of 90-year-ol= d > > dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers, they'll already be suck= ed > > in and won't be able to figure out how to unsub. ;) > > > > Violet > > xoxox > > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d832cccfb504b9cf45e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, we know... but we=B4re not telling... if you want to unsubscribe, you= haven't been here long enough, by the time you find out how to unsub..= you are hooked and dont want to leave...

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
Really, nobody knows how to unsubscribe.

On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Violet Xoxox wrote:

> "kay'lon rushing" <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I FEEL SO ALONE lol
>
> Invite your friends! =A0If your friends aren't into looping or don= 't know
> what it is, just tell them there are hot girls in here. =A0LOTS AND LO= TS of
> hot girls. =A0By the time they figure out it's just a bunch of 90-= year-old
> dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers, they'll already be= sucked
> in and won't be able to figure out how to unsub. =A0;)
>
> Violet
> xoxox
>




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http://www.looop.no
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--bcaec554d832cccfb504b9cf45e3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 20:02:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D039A183479; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_57f90bff-9cf6-4933-8a88-f8937bdb3c5e_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Any other youth here at LD? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:02:52 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> ,, <8058E85C-1107-41D3-A3C4-78CFDAD3591B@gmail.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2012 20:02:52.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[75001380:01CCF3F8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:02:53 +0000 (UTC) --_57f90bff-9cf6-4933-8a88-f8937bdb3c5e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So this is the Hotel Califonia of cyberspace.. with everything repaeting in= almost identical loops.. From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Sat=2C 25 Feb 2012 20:56:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Well=2C we know... but we=B4re not telling... if you want to unsubscribe=2C= you haven't been here long enough=2C by the time you find out how to unsub= .. you are hooked and dont want to leave...=20 On Sat=2C Feb 25=2C 2012 at 8:51 PM=2C Phil Clevenger wrote: Really=2C nobody knows how to unsubscribe. On Feb 25=2C 2012=2C at 11:35 AM=2C Violet Xoxox wrote: > "kay'lon rushing" wrote: >> I FEEL SO ALONE lol > > Invite your friends! If your friends aren't into looping or don't know > what it is=2C just tell them there are hot girls in here. LOTS AND LOTS = of > hot girls. By the time they figure out it's just a bunch of 90-year-old > dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers=2C they'll already be suck= ed > in and won't be able to figure out how to unsub. =3B) > > Violet > xoxox > --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_57f90bff-9cf6-4933-8a88-f8937bdb3c5e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So this is the Hotel Califonia of cyberspace.. with everything repaeting in= almost identical loops..

From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Sat=2C 25 Fe= b 2012 20:56:07 +0100
Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD?
To: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Well=2C we know... but we=B4re not= telling... if you want to unsubscribe=2C you haven't been here long enough= =2C by the time you find out how to unsub.. you are hooked and dont want to= leave...

On Sat=2C Feb 25=2C 2012 at 8:51 PM=2C Phil Clevenger <= =3Bphil.clevenger@gmail.com= >=3B wrote:
Really=2C nobody knows how to unsubscribe.

On Feb 25=2C 2012=2C at 11:35 AM=2C Violet Xoxox wrote:

>=3B "kay'lon rushing" <=3Bk3zz21@g= mail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B>=3B I FEEL SO ALONE lol
>=3B
>=3B Invite your friends!  =3BIf your friends aren't into looping or = don't know
>=3B what it is=2C just tell them there are hot girls in here.  =3BLO= TS AND LOTS of
>=3B hot girls.  =3BBy the time they figure out it's just a bunch of = 90-year-old
>=3B dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers=2C they'll already be= sucked
>=3B in and won't be able to figure out how to unsub.  =3B=3B)
>=3B
>=3B Violet
>=3B xoxox
>=3B




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twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
= --_57f90bff-9cf6-4933-8a88-f8937bdb3c5e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 20:06:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DC8818347A; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 836454.41339.bm@omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330200358; bh=TMWa0Jz0c0pe30kDZOGuoH1A2Q0HMwpCs22R6qX5tok=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aGZPJXw1lGjNmRCsdqQTaN8RuD3RbGNRpiATME4Qr2agGhKTB9Awx2xR4Gg4mVzFx8ot8vKCu8sBPkAg7a8DDiVDhn6Pj6B0dJ06gPOVSRz9BQN4mLgscZ6i1x6K8fk+dBA45jnbF2cDSkoftDrR+7pKIqmBslQ3LksIySnp6XU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XwIwGkH6JpG+iWL0DcVhIVLW7ipbtFS9Uzd/RxGSgh5beFqwye/sNtbFUvIWRMcFebxoEo++WMMoaGHEk6et2zA6GL34PvB5uiZDfTp276kKxHWglRO+7I8EN7OO3wlkBzXrQOaepbX/12VpcBb9GpjAZyx+YAHnAV/R5MQ8FC0=; X-YMail-OSG: Q6vn5P8VM1mLUaCMpxSb6t4ocAlKly2Amn6dWI20mjATjOx X4H77GgAJiRVO3Un.7Inqv_kX5rLVU7D4IJBB7ekUi9.IDAHkNbq4xF2ub6h zCLTcqpi664IeXkMsvxbAmtAc7ribfGUhMxx38wZfSVOuzt.SDbljw2nHoMM 5JOWEldOjIXKPXRbxOxdtFCwZQ1uF7OFFdzrbLCT3_baJAIvdH38kraG_z0Z 53bPYAltifh1zmFJ0MuoLxLUTb.YnuNV1tiLSycFldPvB3s6Z_pJ__JsozVv KQAcjXurVuA_5h161ukfelLBxV_FHE1P_xmCsmYmCnx4_z6JFQ_XeFK2UmTB 6Vh0agxve2208DHop9VD63y7p1F.I6vjkIfiIrOQDNjKNDdS_xNH3Ti.Rm8q V66vcfbtR5euB0l.bb8fOZMR.t_Tq3f4XnK9K75vYXtOcJtyY9PboFuIXy0U 8fsSf5Hdxld.5.wF.e1Cr6eiEjUwyLOEO7yfNzKmraAFPNUnX.J.wh08Zbmh Wdsazwldjyv04QVkYJKItCL8eyCxrnZZKQx7KOE9xm_pfD8s0tGIUNDLi0Cb 2rvMgSCERTJCwOdMMp6_.UDRxj7.8jhxOalES4p5xlREF7K9n1WNGlNv3WwI mbXK_6U.G6kvvfh2h2F4ZxAPlhg4x6dVL30P7ww7QHteCCNQ1jqL0sPY_3uK Sj7PjvzJKBtHzRaZB3cnFidH1Z3yxQeZ2Dvr6eBrZ4CXej7xDT2vHegTFgCK WgEX0xs2azc1n.T_oEgpckQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1330200358.16310.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: tim echols Reply-To: tim echols Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1167350687-2039480389-1330200358=:16310" Resent-Message-ID: <_-vgYB.A.Z9G.n8TSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:06:00 +0000 (UTC) --1167350687-2039480389-1330200358=:16310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii depends. ________________________________ From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Violet Xoxox wrote: it's just a bunch of 90-year-old >dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers Just for the record... I'm NOT 90.. but sure... dentures I know about... adult diapers.. well no.. not yet, but Ill take any recommendations.. just in case.. -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --1167350687-2039480389-1330200358=:16310 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
depends.

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD?

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Violet Xoxox <violet@missviolet.com> wrote:
it's just a bunch of 90-year-old
dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers

Just for the record... I'm NOT 90.. but sure... dentures I know about... adult diapers.. well no.. not yet, but Ill take any recommendations.. just in case..



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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/



--1167350687-2039480389-1330200358=:16310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 20:12:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0093183491; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4F48E597.2040102@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:13:03 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Hey some of 'em LIKE 'older' men... ;) -----Original Message----- From: Violet Xoxox Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? "kay'lon rushing" wrote: >I FEEL SO ALONE lol Invite your friends! If your friends aren't into looping or don't know what it is, just tell them there are hot girls in here. LOTS AND LOTS of hot girls. By the time they figure out it's just a bunch of 90-year-old dudes talking about dentures and adult diapers, they'll already be sucked in and won't be able to figure out how to unsub. ;) Violet xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 21:33:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4191183479; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_974358e7-4efb-489f-bfda-c0de0b1957d8_" X-Originating-IP: [98.232.194.119] From: Joe Clark To: Subject: RE: LP2 Owners Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:33:22 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2012 21:33:22.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[198E6D00:01CCF405] Resent-Message-ID: <8-2GRC.A.t-H.kOVSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:33:24 +0000 (UTC) --_974358e7-4efb-489f-bfda-c0de0b1957d8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in the same boat...Waiting. Hopeful=2C Joe From: hqr@cox.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LP2 Owners Date: Fri=2C 24 Feb 2012 09:24:32 -0800 Hello everybody=97 A couple of months back there were some LP2s shipped. Has anyone else gotten theirs? My main source of information (apart from this list) is http://looperlative= .posterous.com/ A post on 11/12/11 starts out=2C =93LP2s are imminent.=94 And back around Christmas=2C a few folks got theirs=2C but there were some issues. Bob=92s cell phone goes to mailbox=2C and the mailbox is full=2C and has been for quite some time. He has never answered my emails=2C either. Rick Walker has been generous with his information=2C but I hate to keep bugging him=97and so I would like to hear from others=2C pleas= e (Rick=2C just ignore me=2C not trying to be a pest). =20 Gary =20 = --_974358e7-4efb-489f-bfda-c0de0b1957d8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm in the same boat...Waiting.
Hopeful=2C
Joe

From: hqr@cox.net
To= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: LP2 Owners
Date: Fri= =2C 24 Feb 2012 09:24:32 -0800

Hello everybody=97

A couple of months back there were some= LP2s shipped. Has anyone else gotten theirs?

My main source of information (apart fr= om this list) is http://looperlative.posterous.com/

A post on 11/12/11 starts out=2C =93LP2s are = imminent.=94

And back around Christmas=2C a few folk= s got theirs=2C but there were some issues.

Bob=92s cell phone goes to mailbox=2C a= nd the mailbox is full=2C and has been for quite some time.

He has never answered my emails=2C eith= er.

Rick Walker has been generous with his = information=2C but I hate to keep bugging him=97and so I would like to hear from others=2C pleas= e (Rick=2C just ignore me=2C not trying to be a pest).

 =3B

Gary<= /span>

 =3B

= --_974358e7-4efb-489f-bfda-c0de0b1957d8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 23:11:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2F03183489; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of theweg@gmail.com designates 10.43.45.10 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.43.45.10; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of theweg@gmail.com designates 10.43.45.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=theweg@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=theweg@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9orAL0MnkFeZaTuy2vOSR939kELH/a0hwxDpaybwr/A=; b=tm2cY/CS4iL2fGa2BIUdaEp86YjM4nHwjyoQpY0f6x2NloJLlVF5HiAzQReCHrPY+c BjA7p3fHuIKKUZxJOwqrzIiR/1JSRBnQkC9TNpo7iXTqHPp/KXMM6QMp5PVG7xBi/pom QuagCpL93TAIgqWjjmTOlrz2T5FWYEKCiKs00= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: LP2 Owners From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52999cf05cf1e04b9d2005e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:11:45 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52999cf05cf1e04b9d2005e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas so am I. Hope Bob is doing OK. Weg On Feb 25, 2012 4:33 PM, "Joe Clark" wrote: > I'm in the same boat...Waiting. > Hopeful, > Joe > > ------------------------------ > From: hqr@cox.net > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: LP2 Owners > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:24:32 -0800 > > Hello everybody=97 > > A couple of months back there were some LP2s shipped. Has anyone else > gotten theirs? > > My main source of information (apart from this list) is > http://looperlative.posterous.com/ > > A post on 11/12/11 starts out, =93LP2s are imminent.=94 > > And back around Christmas, a few folks got theirs, but there were some > issues. > > Bob=92s cell phone goes to mailbox, and the mailbox is full, and has been > for quite some time. > > He has never answered my emails, either. > > Rick Walker has been generous with his information, but I hate to keep > bugging him=97and so I would like to hear from others, please (Rick, just > ignore me, not trying to be a pest). > > > > Gary > > > --bcaec52999cf05cf1e04b9d2005e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alas so am I.=A0 Hope Bob is doing OK.
Weg

On Feb 25, 2012 4:33 PM, "Joe Clark" &= lt;lonelylooper@hotmail.com= > wrote:
I'm in the same boat...Waiting.
Hopeful,
Joe

From: hqr@cox.net
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: LP2 Owners
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:24:32 -0800

= Hello everybody=97

= A couple of months back there were some LP2s shipped. Has anyone else gotten theirs?

= My main source of information (apart from this list) is http://looperlative.posterous= .com/

= A post on 11/12/11 starts out, =93LP2s are imminent.=94

= And back around Christmas, a few folks got theirs, but there were some issues.

= Bob=92s cell phone goes to mailbox, and the mailbox is full, and has been for quite some time.

= He has never answered my emails, either.

= Rick Walker has been generous with his information, but I hate to keep bugging him=97and so I would like to hear from others, please (Rick, just ignore me, not trying to be a pest).

= =A0

Gary

=A0

--bcaec52999cf05cf1e04b9d2005e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 00:45:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FCA4183474; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.60.8.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.8.197; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.60.8.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qy+aPVIFNbtQkhLPruuEYBPGYocuwa8qgQ9pxg05D6A=; b=fwJHSHDHJi+l5Y/iYdB2LlYOEToYgXH++CXc1C/wjgaLUj++rAIoVxkYP9vbah3O4Z wb4KDn5r0YAZWcBhKnkyLp/ncZTlXJK/63IQnhzFqmq1NhekZ9OfVEuRDDJx4BQGNvKM MnaT9eGPDa56XI6sUilOKgvnfYct/1QmyQePw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:45:50 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <6bBW_C.A.poB._CYSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:45:51 +0000 (UTC) kay'lon rushing was like: > Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I just one > of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has graduated colloge > already haha. Hey Kay'lon, I'm surprised that you didn't see more teenage responses, but I guess it makes sense. Think of it as a complement - you're a bit ahead of the curve for your age! That's not to say you have the interests of old people - more that most people your age probably haven't encountered live looping yet. I bet you'll find the field getting less lonely as you get older - certainly within the next 4-5 years. When I was a teenager, most of the other musicians my age were content to play an instrument and in the genre they liked. (Me too - to be frank.) "Being good" at the time involved being able to make your hands move quickly and knowing how to play a lot of well-known songs. I didn't start meeting people who were exploring expanding their instrument setups or developing their own sound palette until their early 20s. And let's face it - the technology costs money. I'm curious - what are people your age interested in doing in music these days? I graduated in the 90s - at the time, bands in which people played instruments seemed to still have hope of getting well-known someday. The culture of music has changed since then in simultaneously different directions. On one hand, the music you hear on tv & radio is much more oriented on the singer or rapper, with very little attention paid to the people who actually make the music. On the other hand, the internet has created opportunities to hear music in such a way that MTV and corporate radio might not be the primary pipelines that they were when I was in high school. Do you meet a lot of kids who play instruments, or is it mostly people who want to be the "personality" and have the music happen behind the scenes. Do you meet folks your age who want to be producers? -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 01:51:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8160183465; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 01:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.232.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.232.42; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.232.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=4tFj/++sq2U0VShU+LiasXy+5Sh6eIEbKqSZTVd9HWk=; b=CWzneXKg0MbpAG2EPoawJhkxZ57n8jWqBXHRwV4i0eS72BPPHZjVv65U3P0pmbNS1Z JXu2nNQy4PNRB2yArxaFb75MHIR61eluOkCOZfWIcsk8TLQYavazJhwb9xwYUqGJ7rnm j9hh3tr2dr/LahFlkFQW9v5CLioiIMF5coyK0= From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LG Victory Dance, and A Question Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 17:50:54 -0800 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 01:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Well after a long day of farking about, I've finally managed to = replicate the entirety of my EDP's footswitch functionality within my = recently acquired Gordius LG, with long/short press behaviors and = all... I'm giddy with victory now :) But one thing more would be the icing on the cake :=20 Does anyone know how to get the LEDs to behave such that the light is ON = when recording or overdubbing, for instance, and OFF when no longer = doing so? Current behavior is that the light goes on when I press a = button of any kind, then goes off only when I press another button. In = effect it tells me what the last button used was. I've mucked about with = the LED settings, two-state stuff, stompbox stuff, and the Gordius LED = control commands, to no avail... Phil :)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 01:51:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CAC5183473; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 01:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.74.74 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.74.74; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.74.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=eOAPX52g99fqgtsvYufwijzcjNIf2ERSQRQ4VHOnzas=; b=BFopsxf1QuQcaZ71Fnvhz/Fdx+eq587Zfvn6Oh7VtQV+cDNlim3hD29yrpWGpSFeUH CJkH80F74Z8TYUvoegxpE9VOGeGfSt76B3LddxC96MdeRmjTr1LDNA66lxDGd1OLo/i8 TW2x3h2LfaHK0Uj9B4Oe5rD3CnFeoJ0Yjijfk= Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? References: From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <19E7805D-4C87-444B-A85C-5212A071A7FF@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 17:51:19 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 01:51:24 +0000 (UTC) These days its a little of both. I personally am a producer (sorta) and have= a lot of friends that want to do what I do and theres also a lot that want t= o get famous. Some want both. I, however, dont make music with the intention= of having someone put lyrics over it. I actually prefer to keep it instrume= ntal. I cant speak for what everyone likes because I tend to stay separated f= rom them in taste. =46rom what I observe, people at my school dont really li= ke radio pop music anymore (including me) because its just too bland its the= same thing over an over. People seem to be moving towards the internet famo= us artist. I listen to almost 100% instrumental electronic music of many sub= genres, which is where i get a lot of inspiration. I dont know very many peo= ple at all that play instruments but thats because I never look for them. I t= hink I have an odd phobia of other musicians. Kaylon On Feb 25, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > kay'lon rushing was like: >> Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I just o= ne >> of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has graduated collog= e >> already haha. >=20 > Hey Kay'lon, >=20 > I'm surprised that you didn't see more teenage responses, but I guess > it makes sense. Think of it as a complement - you're a bit ahead of > the curve for your age! That's not to say you have the interests of > old people - more that most people your age probably haven't > encountered live looping yet. I bet you'll find the field getting less > lonely as you get older - certainly within the next 4-5 years. >=20 > When I was a teenager, most of the other musicians my age were content > to play an instrument and in the genre they liked. (Me too - to be > frank.) "Being good" at the time involved being able to make your > hands move quickly and knowing how to play a lot of well-known songs. > I didn't start meeting people who were exploring expanding their > instrument setups or developing their own sound palette until their > early 20s. And let's face it - the technology costs money. >=20 > I'm curious - what are people your age interested in doing in music > these days? I graduated in the 90s - at the time, bands in which > people played instruments seemed to still have hope of getting > well-known someday. The culture of music has changed since then in > simultaneously different directions. On one hand, the music you hear > on tv & radio is much more oriented on the singer or rapper, with very > little attention paid to the people who actually make the music. On > the other hand, the internet has created opportunities to hear music > in such a way that MTV and corporate radio might not be the primary > pipelines that they were when I was in high school. Do you meet a lot > of kids who play instruments, or is it mostly people who want to be > the "personality" and have the music happen behind the scenes. Do you > meet folks your age who want to be producers? >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 02:30:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2B0818345C; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F499959.0018,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Jp7EeLfmPQrknsUcL/ibqfjzp9juaCY0AKcXsqkZzbU= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=7xh3d5YHAAAA:8 a=wW8rUSo9OKbVgZ1MuRQA:9 a=rl3cInVzTcodgSpcH9gA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Nc4sBqmknwZfyIglko8A:9 a=yTn15vRUv6_zluheQaEA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: RE: LP2 Owners Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:30:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017C_01CCF3EB.916E2280" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acz0EtlZGfOcQH1xT0Kq+8onDqL/SwAG4U6w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:30:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01CCF3EB.916E2280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt D was kind enough to answer me off list- He has a working unit now; the first batch had some issues. So there are a handful out there-anyone else? Gary _____ From: Thomas Wegmann [mailto:theweg@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 3:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: LP2 Owners Alas so am I. Hope Bob is doing OK. Weg On Feb 25, 2012 4:33 PM, "Joe Clark" wrote: I'm in the same boat...Waiting. Hopeful, Joe _____ From: hqr@cox.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LP2 Owners Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:24:32 -0800 Hello everybody- A couple of months back there were some LP2s shipped. Has anyone else gotten theirs? My main source of information (apart from this list) is http://looperlative.posterous.com/ A post on 11/12/11 starts out, "LP2s are imminent." And back around Christmas, a few folks got theirs, but there were some issues. Bob's cell phone goes to mailbox, and the mailbox is full, and has been for quite some time. He has never answered my emails, either. Rick Walker has been generous with his information, but I hate to keep bugging him-and so I would like to hear from others, please (Rick, just ignore me, not trying to be a pest). Gary ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01CCF3EB.916E2280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Matt D was kind enough to answer me = off list—

He has a working unit now; the = first batch had some issues.

So there are a handful out = there—anyone else?

 

Gary

 

From: = Thomas Wegmann [mailto:theweg@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February = 25, 2012 3:12 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: LP2 = Owners

 

Alas so am I.  Hope Bob is doing OK.
Weg

On Feb 25, 2012 4:33 PM, "Joe Clark" <lonelylooper@hotmail.com>= wrote:

I'm in the = same boat...Waiting.
Hopeful,
Joe

From: hqr@cox.net
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: LP2 Owners
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:24:32 -0800

Hello everybody—

A couple of months back there were some LP2s shipped. Has anyone else = gotten theirs?

My main source of information (apart from this list) is http://looperlative.posterous.com/

A post on 11/12/11 starts out, “LP2s are imminent.”

And back around Christmas, a few folks got theirs, but there were some = issues.

Bob’s cell phone goes to mailbox, and the mailbox is full, and has been for = quite some time.

He has never answered my emails, either.

Rick Walker has been generous with his information, but I hate to keep = bugging him—and so I would like to hear from others, please (Rick, just = ignore me, not trying to be a pest).

 

Gary

 

------=_NextPart_000_017C_01CCF3EB.916E2280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 02:35:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24FA8183461; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.226.231 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.226.231; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.226.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=7OAFo2jFURuviy1jmhcXUewUFtnWj49K0TcBMR4WvoA=; b=sRdUWyENGGxK1thBi1GOWI3rHxPawIrpX2x6YpKTMtPbIzfTjwFAyCxViDGZ1Uipqv v1EiOxtQcSV/d9ZsGKhxYb5eNy0O+/gzskCQ+x4Ohian3/IujY/AAkftxZiNqIj9t6X6 X2vyxS/UU4BtE8Wlf5th5xCcadVfUfKOC8iDA= From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--270765462 Subject: Re: LP2 Owners Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:35:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:35:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--270765462 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Waiting here as well :) On Feb 25, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Matt D was kind enough to answer me off list=97 > He has a working unit now; the first batch had some issues. > So there are a handful out there=97anyone else? > =20 > Gary > =20 > From: Thomas Wegmann [mailto:theweg@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 3:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: LP2 Owners > =20 > Alas so am I. Hope Bob is doing OK. > Weg >=20 > On Feb 25, 2012 4:33 PM, "Joe Clark" wrote: > I'm in the same boat...Waiting. > Hopeful, > Joe >=20 > From: hqr@cox.net > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: LP2 Owners > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:24:32 -0800 >=20 > Hello everybody=97 >=20 > A couple of months back there were some LP2s shipped. Has anyone else = gotten theirs? >=20 > My main source of information (apart from this list) is = http://looperlative.posterous.com/ >=20 > A post on 11/12/11 starts out, =93LP2s are imminent.=94 >=20 > And back around Christmas, a few folks got theirs, but there were some = issues. >=20 > Bob=92s cell phone goes to mailbox, and the mailbox is full, and has = been for quite some time. >=20 > He has never answered my emails, either. >=20 > Rick Walker has been generous with his information, but I hate to keep = bugging him=97and so I would like to hear from others, please (Rick, = just ignore me, not trying to be a pest). >=20 > =20 >=20 > Gary >=20 > =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--270765462 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
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Matt D was kind enough to answer me = off list=97

He has a working unit now; the = first batch had some issues.

So there are a handful out = there=97anyone else?

 

Gary

 

From: Thomas Wegmann [mailto:theweg@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February = 25, 2012 3:12 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: RE: LP2 = Owners

 

Alas so am I.  Hope Bob is doing OK.
Weg

On Feb 25, 2012 4:33 PM, "Joe Clark" <lonelylooper@hotmail.com> = wrote:

I'm = in the same boat...Waiting.
Hopeful,
Joe

From: hqr@cox.net
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: LP2 Owners
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:24:32 -0800

Hello everybody=97

A couple of months back there were some LP2s shipped. Has anyone else = gotten theirs?

My main source of information (apart from this list) is http://looperlative.posterous.com/

A post on 11/12/11 starts out, =93LP2s are imminent.=94

And back around Christmas, a few folks got theirs, but there were some = issues.

Bob=92s cell phone goes to mailbox, and the mailbox is full, and has been for = quite some time.

He has never answered my emails, = either.

Rick Walker has been generous with his information, but I hate to keep = bugging him=97and so I would like to hear from others, please (Rick, just ignore = me, not trying to be a pest).

 

Gary

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= --Apple-Mail-1--270765462-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 02:56:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 325D6183463; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: openjam@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: old technology - digi 001 and G4 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:56:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1330224988; bh=AjLGVk0SXZ11vv53RPYg316eXwqLl5u/6CgGgRo6Qp8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Xx4/5mfESypJxolumV0WF+iz2E3Ntnt5fR9tLpQ2BnzU1WnMGQQ12CLkKz1sZJp93 WvRt9teIAEn3WeXFga5MdvHfHmIbHmLyuIES3V6QEuZ79Ym0jMHvlqVgS1rZiN+Nuq OWW/siOSc6/Xq1fWAVNZx4IhIVGAmELKUh4rwyYg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:383771136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29034f499f5b02d2 X-AOL-IP: 174.101.236.151 Resent-Message-ID: <42moX.A.NDD.f9ZSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Anyone still using or ever used the digidesign digi 001 When this first came out nearly 13 years ago, the mac g4 was the preferred computer for the digi001 and this was the state of the art for home computer recording. I have my old g4 still and it runs fine. I can buy a digi 001 rig for $100. If i would have had this back in the day it would have been 100% matched for each others performance. And there's a chance I would still be using it today. All i really want are more tracks, more inputs, and the ability to edit recordings beyond what I currently have which is a basic Yamaha MD4 digital 4 track. tq From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 03:09:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8799F183465; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 03:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <93DF7DEB-01A7-4C49-BC7B-8A14388276A5@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: LP2 Owners Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:09:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 03:09:45 +0000 (UTC) I'm very sorry you guys haven't received your units yet, I'm waiting on mine as well, though I knew I was going to be having to wait until all of the pre-orders were delivered. If I hear anything I'll let you know. I do know that every time the work load heats up at his day job, it cuts in to his night job building these things, and the nature of silicon valley jobs these days is that fewer people are handling the same work load previously handled by more people, though I know thats true in many other work sectors as well. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 05:58:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BD69183463; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 05:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com'" References: <1330128470.45132.yint-ygo-j2me@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2D83F88DAC4B4F8E9DAF5A801C7918B0@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: <2D83F88DAC4B4F8E9DAF5A801C7918B0@ELUK1> Subject: RE: Sonicbids Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:58:04 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01ccf44b$9ca511d0$d5ef3570$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQNDNUGA+Qn9L6dS0rvi1zvfHcUzmAKT2frqk02M4wA= x-vipre-scanned: 002CB155002D47002CB2A2 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 05:58:12 +0000 (UTC) I've worked with them in the past and had a basic account. To tell you the truth, I've gotten booked more by beating the bushes myself, but their setup is nice and it's a clean online portfolio that people can go to if you don't want to build things for yourself. And, like you said, certain festivals will only hire people through Sonicbids. ~peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com Twitter: @plish -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sonicbids Has anyone on LD ever dealt with them? Apparently it's the only way to be considered for the SXSW festival thang... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 07:26:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3286183464; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.102.145 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.102.145; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.102.145 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KhwzQn1F4skoORMTVn0Nl4A4onWwhJQ+3zSAjAbgNG8=; b=hY/FV3c66JSEi63erObIxWRMfd3UoxxBcPUXhhsRYdRK+fJ54gltIuc1V5fLnTPRNj KqhdSdcoqc5/PXl9CqnC3SkVmrZ0DnECQl0En/g5A5Mw23P3p22I39xJIWjvPCnm0Eek 5zWnKpoCGu3fXF0GnTx0D3EPdpOOCGazJX5pk= References: <93DF7DEB-01A7-4C49-BC7B-8A14388276A5@baymoon.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <93DF7DEB-01A7-4C49-BC7B-8A14388276A5@baymoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:26:40 +0100 Message-ID: <579918545564656920@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: LP2 Owners To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Just a question, im not an LP2 waiter... but I have had a similar experience with a synth-module. I have to say, after 3 years of waiting, an american (the guy selling the units was American, not sure I would have bothered, internationally) sued him, and we all got our money back... now I understand that he's being given some slack here, due to being friends with Rick n Bill, and I think that's good, we are getting answers, via The Walkers, he seems annoyingly silent however... (after we had gone for a while with synth module guy, we demanded weekly reports, how many were shipped that week etc) But heres my point,. I'm assuming that he is getting the actual board manfacturing /component soldering , done elsewhere, china or somewhere.??? I mean it wouldn't be a viable business if he was sitting alone in his kitchen at night soldering iron in hand....? Of course there are many single people unit making and selling electronics successfully, Devi Ever for example, however her circuits are mostly extremely simple, (and insanely overpriced)... which is a good business model!!! So when Bill says he works at night building these things... im also assuming (praying) that he means final assembly??? it's just that in the modular synth world, it is normal to ship modules in this state, leaving the buyer to assemble it into their system as they will. Maybe he might want to offer that? I'm sure that some people can manage to solder a few LEDs Knobs and sockets??? Just a thought... might not be for everyone, but some may want their units... sooner.. Mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 26 Feb 2012, at 04:09, William Walker wrote: > I'm very sorry you guys haven't received your units yet, I'm waiting on m= ine as well, though I knew I was going to be having to wait until all of th= e pre-orders were delivered. If I hear anything I'll let you know. I do kno= w that every time the work load heats up at his day job, it cuts in to his = night job building these things, and the nature of silicon valley jobs thes= e days is that fewer people are handling the same work load previously han= dled by more people, though I know thats true in many other work sectors a= s well. > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 09:04:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22A96183473; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 727188358/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.47/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.47 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEEADf0SU9YbRkv/2dsb2JhbAAMN7ITAQKDfwEBAQMBOEAGCwshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGHfbZnixR2gQQdFwICBwYEAwQDCAQKBxoBAgECAQIChQIPeYMeBJsHjSQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,485,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="727188358" Message-ID: <4F49F58D.1030201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:04:13 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 Owners References: <93DF7DEB-01A7-4C49-BC7B-8A14388276A5@baymoon.com> <579918545564656920@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <579918545564656920@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:03:59 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > So when Bill says he[Bob] works at night building these things... im also > assuming (praying) that he means final assembly??? Yup, that is the case. There's also a need to test the boards. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 09:39:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5799183464; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 733771174/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.47/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.47 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAEAHH8SU9YbRkv/2dsb2JhbAAMN7ITAQKDfwEBAQQ4UQsYCSUPAkYcARe+RosUdoEUCAoNBQICBwYEAwQDCAQKBxoGAwKFAg95gx4EmweNJA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,485,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="733771174" Message-ID: <4F49FDDB.70907@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:39:39 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LG Victory Dance, and A Question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5N-h.A.LDG.P3fSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:39:27 +0000 (UTC) hi Phil, :-) congrats ....so just loop and forget this question it's *possible* to program the LG's LEDs to do what you want, in the latest hardware/firmware version. Indeed someone on the LG list implemented something along those lines for a much simpler looper in order to have an led on during record Xavier suggested: ****************************** Again for the same example, the Play stompbox could contain an ActivateEffect message which switches the Record stompbox off. The result is the same as solution above, except that the Record switch is now a stomp with steady on/off LED, instead of a momentary with blinking/off LED. ******************************* ...but that's a fix for a much simpler problem ...and you're basically on a loser if you ever want to use more than one loop. Copying the logic of the edp into the LG could conceivably work, as the LG has conditional statements and variables. ...but as the edp's buttons are multifunction, and as the overdub state is one of the things that's saved with each individual loop, that's a whole lot of programming. I just use momentaries. andy Phil Clevenger wrote: > Well after a long day of farking about, I've finally managed to replicate the entirety of my EDP's footswitch functionality within my recently acquired Gordius LG, with long/short press behaviors and all... I'm giddy with victory now :) > > But one thing more would be the icing on the cake : > > Does anyone know how to get the LEDs to behave such that the light is ON when recording or overdubbing, for instance, and OFF when no longer doing so? Current behavior is that the light goes on when I press a button of any kind, then goes off only when I press another button. In effect it tells me what the last button used was. I've mucked about with the LED settings, two-state stuff, stompbox stuff, and the Gordius LED control commands, to no avail... > > Phil :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 11:18:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FB6D183461; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.182.31.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.31.47; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.182.31.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=6pDiwY7hi+vUsa4/ES61VEqxL3e6+iPLdm3zEKNoFSM=; b=IQDfoPw/ame+c/HVflcrzQ8Nmm7/jmBF4ROA5EfF6XoPeCfeoWLSbdXTGEmenHp8h6 YjmfZwgyXqm/IgxaHndakes9AQUCwxlK41GL1FyElCKw9xzQf4By9hQ9tyvKJRdFWWcS pWEavTgRB9hx0MRvTIFlRIT2zgZtcHEE3Kd2k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:17:57 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _F5Bp0wIKV9Tv81sLG7Bl2UEW08 Message-ID: Subject: Per and Erdem in Paris To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b590e88c8c404b9dc2643 Resent-Message-ID: <9ObN7D.A.wsG.6ThSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:18:18 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93b590e88c8c404b9dc2643 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to just comment on this clip from Per and Erdem in Paris. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=6DWezuFTdgE Its astounding! I quite simply would have paid to fly to Paris to see this in the octophonic version if I had known. I have their SubCity album, but I must say, Im not a huge fan of listening to recorded abstract music, although it might be my favorite genre of music to hear played live. (abstract... god terrible word, I kind of include this in improv, but as I know this gig was based on SunCity (or the other way round) I cant really call it Improv). Although quite different musicians, both Erdem and Per share one important quality... and thats .. er... quality. Both in terms of timbre and taste. Firstly their tone or timbre is very distorted and warped electronically, I hear bit crushich and ring modulations and granulations in both of their sounds, but amazingly (and something I find very hard to achieve) their audio quality is very clean, almost antiseptic, very digital and precise. There is no hiss or grunge or sludge or muffled tones at all, its all crystal clear. Im sure Per would put this down to being all in the digital domain. Even though my set-up is almost a hardware version of Pers set-u, mine is plagued by cables and hiss and hums and distortion and level issues and impedance problems. I'm afraid I'm too attached to my boxes to change, but if someone were to persuade me, it would be Per. As for quality of taste, they know that its important to take your time, although they slip into some toe-tapping beats once or twice, with abstract electronic music I always feel its important to be aware of pace, for the user to accept that "this is it" and not think that its some kind of drawn out intro. When accepted, this music shines and I see it more like classical music, carefully composed and completely clear of ego and pomp. Pers flute is theonly thing that, doesnt quit "fit" into teh sound picture, it has a slightly retro feel to it, reminding one of previous experimental uses of the instrument, like Kraftwerk, Gong or dare I say... Jethro Tull?? The references are a bit too much for me, a bit too er... ethnic... but you know.. musically I have to say it still fits wonderfully. It actually is the instrument that brings in the most techno part of the perfomance, the loping (not looping... look it up!!) 2 step beat. I suppose when an instrument has a particular reference for you, its impossible not to think of it... Almost like if Erdem suddenly whipped out a Didgeridoo, or Per some Bagpipes. (Now tell me, that someone DIDNT just think of a rainbow jumper and dreadlocks, and a guy in a kilt???) One thing Per, I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris for the Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the GR55 as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that. Can you tell me, what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius with? Is it all on the Faderfox? If you are considering the iPhone route, you should really think about the Missing Link. Iknow your thinking about using it to change parameters on the Laptop, but I have made a very simple iTouch interface for the CCs sent externally to the GR55. So you can have hand control of all those lovely parameters. Its here http://www.markfrancombe.com/plugis/GR30ASSIGNS2.touchosc if you want it This all it is... https://img.skitch.com/20120226-b4889dnwfdh5hi4xg9a3dg4gwy.jpg simple but very very useful Per and Erdem, please give me at least 3 months notice of your next gig together, I'll need to save up for an air ticket! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --14dae93b590e88c8c404b9dc2643 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to just comment on this clip from Per and Erdem in Paris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_profilepage&v= =3D6DWezuFTdgE

Its astounding!
I quite simply would have paid to fly to Paris to se= e this in the octophonic version if I had known.
I have their SubCity al= bum, but I must say, Im not a huge fan of listening to recorded abstract mu= sic, although it might be my favorite genre of music to hear played live. (= abstract... god terrible word, I kind of include this in improv, but as I k= now this gig was based on SunCity (or the other way round) I cant really ca= ll it Improv).
Although quite different musicians, both Erdem and Per share one important = quality... and thats .. er... quality. Both in terms of timbre and taste.Firstly their tone or=A0 timbre is very distorted and warped electronical= ly, I hear bit crushich and ring modulations and granulations in both of th= eir sounds, but amazingly (and something I find very hard to achieve) their= audio quality is very clean, almost antiseptic, very digital and precise. = There is no hiss or grunge or sludge or muffled tones at all, its all cryst= al clear.
Im sure Per would put this down to being all in the digital domain. Even th= ough my set-up is almost a hardware version of Pers set-u, mine is plagued = by cables and hiss and hums and distortion and level issues and impedance p= roblems. I'm afraid I'm too attached to my boxes to change, but if = someone were to persuade me, it would be Per.

As for quality of taste, they know that its important to take your time= , although they slip into some toe-tapping beats once or twice, with abstra= ct electronic music I always feel its important to be aware of pace, for th= e user to accept that "this is it" and not think that its some ki= nd of drawn out intro. When accepted, this music shines and I see it more l= ike classical music, carefully composed and completely clear of ego and pom= p.
Pers flute is theonly thing that, doesnt quit "fit" into teh soun= d picture, it has a slightly retro feel to it, reminding one of previous ex= perimental uses of the instrument, like Kraftwerk, Gong or dare I say... Je= thro Tull?? The references are a bit too much for me, a bit too er... ethni= c...=A0 but you know.. musically I have to say it still fits wonderfully. I= t actually is the instrument that brings in the most techno part of the per= fomance, the loping (not looping... look it up!!)=A0 2 step beat. I suppose= when an instrument has a particular reference for you, its impossible not = to think of it... Almost like if Erdem suddenly whipped out a Didgeridoo, o= r Per some Bagpipes. (Now tell me, that someone DIDNT just think of a rainb= ow jumper and dreadlocks, and a guy in a kilt???)

One thing Per, I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris for = the Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the G= R55 as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that. C= an you tell me, what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius wit= h? Is it all on the Faderfox? If you are considering the iPhone route, you = should really think about the Missing Link. Iknow your thinking about using= it to change parameters on the Laptop, but I have made a very simple iTouc= h interface for the CCs sent externally to the GR55. So you can have hand c= ontrol of all those lovely parameters.

Its here http://www.markfrancombe.com/plugis/GR30ASSIGNS2.touchosc if yo= u want it
This all it is...
https://img.skitch.com/20120226-b4889dnw= fdh5hi4xg9a3dg4gwy.jpg
simple but very very useful

Per and Erdem, please give me at least 3= months notice of your next gig together, I'll need to save up for an a= ir ticket!

=A0

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--14dae93b590e88c8c404b9dc2643-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 12:05:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33D30183463; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_95a85b5e-b7d3-4a7e-8b14-45299d487f5b_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Per and Erdem in Paris Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:05:19 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2012 12:05:20.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[E914E8A0:01CCF47E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:05:21 +0000 (UTC) --_95a85b5e-b7d3-4a7e-8b14-45299d487f5b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow that was great... and agree on the reasoning around=20 pace and I love how they establish "beats" without drum sounds.. for me it = frees up the mind to perceive rhythm in more free way.Also I more and more = feel that this type of music is more like "classical" music than Jazz or ro= ck since it is free of "changes" that are a cornerstone of most jazz or roc= k derivative music.. BUT music like this very much relies on sounds that co= me from a rock/pop/jazz context.. combined with sounds from electro acousti= c music (which influenced rock from the 60's and onward and which was influ= enced by the rock and jazz tradition as well as the so called "classical" m= usic.. ) Per do you ever perform closer to home?=20 Thanks=2C Anders From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Sun=2C 26 Feb 2012 12:17:57 +0100 Subject: Per and Erdem in Paris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I have to just comment on this clip from Per and Erdem in Paris. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_profilepage&v=3D6DWezuFTdgE Its astounding! I quite simply would have paid to fly to Paris to see this in the octophoni= c version if I had known. I have their SubCity album=2C but I must say=2C Im not a huge fan of listen= ing to recorded abstract music=2C although it might be my favorite genre of= music to hear played live. (abstract... god terrible word=2C I kind of inc= lude this in improv=2C but as I know this gig was based on SunCity (or the = other way round) I cant really call it Improv). Although quite different musicians=2C both Erdem and Per share one importan= t quality... and thats .. er... quality. Both in terms of timbre and taste. Firstly their tone or timbre is very distorted and warped electronically= =2C I hear bit crushich and ring modulations and granulations in both of th= eir sounds=2C but amazingly (and something I find very hard to achieve) the= ir audio quality is very clean=2C almost antiseptic=2C very digital and pre= cise. There is no hiss or grunge or sludge or muffled tones at all=2C its a= ll crystal clear. Im sure Per would put this down to being all in the digital domain. Even th= ough my set-up is almost a hardware version of Pers set-u=2C mine is plague= d by cables and hiss and hums and distortion and level issues and impedance= problems. I'm afraid I'm too attached to my boxes to change=2C but if some= one were to persuade me=2C it would be Per. As for quality of taste=2C they know that its important to take your time= =2C although they slip into some toe-tapping beats once or twice=2C with ab= stract electronic music I always feel its important to be aware of pace=2C = for the user to accept that "this is it" and not think that its some kind o= f drawn out intro. When accepted=2C this music shines and I see it more lik= e classical music=2C carefully composed and completely clear of ego and pom= p. Pers flute is theonly thing that=2C doesnt quit "fit" into teh sound pictur= e=2C it has a slightly retro feel to it=2C reminding one of previous experi= mental uses of the instrument=2C like Kraftwerk=2C Gong or dare I say... Je= thro Tull?? The references are a bit too much for me=2C a bit too er... eth= nic... but you know.. musically I have to say it still fits wonderfully. I= t actually is the instrument that brings in the most techno part of the per= fomance=2C the loping (not looping... look it up!!) 2 step beat. I suppose= when an instrument has a particular reference for you=2C its impossible no= t to think of it... Almost like if Erdem suddenly whipped out a Didgeridoo= =2C or Per some Bagpipes. (Now tell me=2C that someone DIDNT just think of = a rainbow jumper and dreadlocks=2C and a guy in a kilt???) One thing Per=2C I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris for th= e Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the GR5= 5 as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that. Can= you tell me=2C what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius wit= h? Is it all on the Faderfox? If you are considering the iPhone route=2C yo= u should really think about the Missing Link. Iknow your thinking about usi= ng it to change parameters on the Laptop=2C but I have made a very simple i= Touch interface for the CCs sent externally to the GR55. So you can have ha= nd control of all those lovely parameters.=20 Its here http://www.markfrancombe.com/plugis/GR30ASSIGNS2.touchosc if you w= ant it This all it is...=20 https://img.skitch.com/20120226-b4889dnwfdh5hi4xg9a3dg4gwy.jpg simple but very very useful Per and Erdem=2C please give me at least 3 months notice of your next gig t= ogether=2C I'll need to save up for an air ticket! =20 --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_95a85b5e-b7d3-4a7e-8b14-45299d487f5b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow that was great... and agree on the reasoning around =3B pace =3Band I love how they establish "beats" without drum sounds.. for= me it frees up the mind to =3Bperceive =3Brhythm in more free way.=
Also I more and more feel that this type of music is more like "classi= cal" music than Jazz or rock since it is free of "changes" that are a corne= rstone of most jazz or rock derivative music.. =3B
BUT music = like this very much relies on sounds that come from a rock/pop/jazz context= .. combined with sounds from electro =3Bacoustic =3Bmusic (which in= fluenced rock from the 60's and onward and which was influenced by the rock= and jazz tradition as well as the so called "classical" music.. )

Per do you ever =3Bperform =3Bcloser to home? = =3B

Thanks=2C

Anders
<= br>
From:= mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Sun=2C 26 Feb 2012 12:17:57 +0100
Subje= ct: Per and Erdem in Paris
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
I have to just comment on this clip from Per and Erdem in Paris.

<= a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_profilepage&=3Bv= =3D6DWezuFTdgE" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dpl= ayer_profilepage&=3Bv=3D6DWezuFTdgE

Its astounding!
I quite simply would have paid to fly to Paris to se= e this in the octophonic version if I had known.
I have their SubCity al= bum=2C but I must say=2C Im not a huge fan of listening to recorded abstrac= t music=2C although it might be my favorite genre of music to hear played l= ive. (abstract... god terrible word=2C I kind of include this in improv=2C = but as I know this gig was based on SunCity (or the other way round) I cant= really call it Improv).
Although quite different musicians=2C both Erdem and Per share one importan= t quality... and thats .. er... quality. Both in terms of timbre and taste.=
Firstly their tone or =3B timbre is very distorted and warped elect= ronically=2C I hear bit crushich and ring modulations and granulations in b= oth of their sounds=2C but amazingly (and something I find very hard to ach= ieve) their audio quality is very clean=2C almost antiseptic=2C very digita= l and precise. There is no hiss or grunge or sludge or muffled tones at all= =2C its all crystal clear.
Im sure Per would put this down to being all in the digital domain. Even th= ough my set-up is almost a hardware version of Pers set-u=2C mine is plague= d by cables and hiss and hums and distortion and level issues and impedance= problems. I'm afraid I'm too attached to my boxes to change=2C but if some= one were to persuade me=2C it would be Per.

As for quality of taste=2C they know that its important to take your ti= me=2C although they slip into some toe-tapping beats once or twice=2C with = abstract electronic music I always feel its important to be aware of pace= =2C for the user to accept that "this is it" and not think that its some ki= nd of drawn out intro. When accepted=2C this music shines and I see it more= like classical music=2C carefully composed and completely clear of ego and= pomp.
Pers flute is theonly thing that=2C doesnt quit "fit" into teh sound pictur= e=2C it has a slightly retro feel to it=2C reminding one of previous experi= mental uses of the instrument=2C like Kraftwerk=2C Gong or dare I say... Je= thro Tull?? The references are a bit too much for me=2C a bit too er... eth= nic... =3B but you know.. musically I have to say it still fits wonderf= ully. It actually is the instrument that brings in the most techno part of = the perfomance=2C the loping (not looping... look it up!!) =3B 2 step b= eat. I suppose when an instrument has a particular reference for you=2C its= impossible not to think of it... Almost like if Erdem suddenly whipped out= a Didgeridoo=2C or Per some Bagpipes. (Now tell me=2C that someone DIDNT j= ust think of a rainbow jumper and dreadlocks=2C and a guy in a kilt???)

One thing Per=2C I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris fo= r the Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the= GR55 as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that.= Can you tell me=2C what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius= with? Is it all on the Faderfox? If you are considering the iPhone route= =2C you should really think about the Missing Link. Iknow your thinking abo= ut using it to change parameters on the Laptop=2C but I have made a very si= mple iTouch interface for the CCs sent externally to the GR55. So you can h= ave hand control of all those lovely parameters.

Its here http://www.markfrancombe.com/plugis/GR30ASSIGNS2.= touchosc if you want it
This all it is...
http= s://img.skitch.com/20120226-b4889dnwfdh5hi4xg9a3dg4gwy.jpg
simple but very very useful

Per and Erdem=2C please give me at least= 3 months notice of your next gig together=2C I'll need to save up for an a= ir ticket!

 =3B

--
= Mark Fr= ancombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
= --_95a85b5e-b7d3-4a7e-8b14-45299d487f5b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 12:18:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C1A7183464; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.77.166 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.77.166; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.77.166 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1qNlVzd3AWUoccO+CacB/bTFhtwulJKE6udQmEmmSBY=; b=B9/Eg5Fw+biLe9eYJnDgdBVBiimuHY3b2TobmRMgXkoHIsCqYTeJKFAnQdFTd0C9hS wb/TrL93CrbPFTWKbCNcE0AzC8/GPIpvmdrkWhxqWmJEuQgfVIADc0iNbjYLnu/3NFM1 p8RZb8as5IezKsgfjMKOC2n+7sy65wVygebAg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:18:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Per and Erdem in Paris From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:18:34 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM, mark francombe w= rote: > One thing Per, I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris for th= e > Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the GR5= 5 > as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that. Can > you tell me, what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius with= ? > Is it all on the Faderfox? Well, actually I didn't have yet have the GR-55 by the time we did that Paris gig. I played no synths at all, only the Stick/flute sound through Logic's/Mainstage's effects. The pedal controller I was using is my Gordius LG and for Paris extended with two expression pedals. None of us did any audio looping per se. I had a system of eight Tape Delay (Logic/Mainstage) plugins on the eight surround channels that could freeze one and a half bar of audio, but I never used it. However, what I did a lot and that might sound as "looping" was the freeze-reverb routing. I have one such on each Stick fretboard output, each one controlled by an expression pedal that also doubles up as a volume pedal. This is good when using the flute mic because when freezing audio in the reverb the input is closed so that no stage noise will leak into the loop (yes, technically speaking it is a loop but only a few milliseconds long. For that I use the plugin EchoBoy from SoundToys - have tried everything else I know of and only this plugin gives the frozen sound cloud I want). As for "bit crushing" I don't use that at all and will probably never do. I just don't like the sound of that effect. The "distortion" I use on the STick is not really distortion, it is an audio-to-synth-wave envelope tracking plugin from Expert Sleepers called Oomingmak. At the Cologne Loopfest Os told me this is their least selling product and that really amazes me when thinking about its sonic capabilities. So much for that Paris gig video. For the Istanbul concert I had finally acquired a GR-55 and I skipped over bringing the Gordius to use only the GR-55 pedal to control the freeze-reverb and other software effects. In Istanbul I did some live looping in Mobius but controlled that all from the Faderfox LV3 minimal hand mixer. With Ableton Live - as we were using this in Istanbul - you can also set up laptop key commands to control almost everything and that too minimizes the need for control pedals. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > Per do you ever=C2=A0perform=C2=A0closer to home? Nothing booked at the moment. Except for this music camp the week before midsummer: http://www.blekingejazzandworld.se/Blekinge_Jazz_%26_World/Start.html But that's not a regular gig since I'll be teaching live looping. It's more like a week of constant jamming and chatting through a series of workshops. Very inexpensive and great fun that I can recommend. One year we even had an attender coming up from Germany with backpack and squeezebox ;-) Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM, mark francombe w= rote: > I have to just comment on this clip from Per and Erdem in Paris. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_profilepage&v=3D6DWezuFTdgE > > Its astounding! > I quite simply would have paid to fly to Paris to see this in the octopho= nic > version if I had known. > I have their SubCity album, but I must say, Im not a huge fan of listenin= g > to recorded abstract music, although it might be my favorite genre of mus= ic > to hear played live. (abstract... god terrible word, I kind of include th= is > in improv, but as I know this gig was based on SunCity (or the other way > round) I cant really call it Improv). > Although quite different musicians, both Erdem and Per share one importan= t > quality... and thats .. er... quality. Both in terms of timbre and taste. > Firstly their tone or=C2=A0 timbre is very distorted and warped electroni= cally, I > hear bit crushich and ring modulations and granulations in both of their > sounds, but amazingly (and something I find very hard to achieve) their > audio quality is very clean, almost antiseptic, very digital and precise. > There is no hiss or grunge or sludge or muffled tones at all, its all > crystal clear. > Im sure Per would put this down to being all in the digital domain. Even > though my set-up is almost a hardware version of Pers set-u, mine is plag= ued > by cables and hiss and hums and distortion and level issues and impedance > problems. I'm afraid I'm too attached to my boxes to change, but if someo= ne > were to persuade me, it would be Per. > > As for quality of taste, they know that its important to take your time, > although they slip into some toe-tapping beats once or twice, with abstra= ct > electronic music I always feel its important to be aware of pace, for the > user to accept that "this is it" and not think that its some kind of draw= n > out intro. When accepted, this music shines and I see it more like classi= cal > music, carefully composed and completely clear of ego and pomp. > Pers flute is theonly thing that, doesnt quit "fit" into teh sound pictur= e, > it has a slightly retro feel to it, reminding one of previous experimenta= l > uses of the instrument, like Kraftwerk, Gong or dare I say... Jethro Tull= ?? > The references are a bit too much for me, a bit too er... ethnic...=C2=A0= but you > know.. musically I have to say it still fits wonderfully. It actually is = the > instrument that brings in the most techno part of the perfomance, the lop= ing > (not looping... look it up!!)=C2=A0 2 step beat. I suppose when an instru= ment has > a particular reference for you, its impossible not to think of it... Almo= st > like if Erdem suddenly whipped out a Didgeridoo, or Per some Bagpipes. (N= ow > tell me, that someone DIDNT just think of a rainbow jumper and dreadlocks= , > and a guy in a kilt???) > > One thing Per, I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris for th= e > Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the GR5= 5 > as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that. Can > you tell me, what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius with= ? > Is it all on the Faderfox? If you are considering the iPhone route, you > should really think about the Missing Link. Iknow your thinking about usi= ng > it to change parameters on the Laptop, but I have made a very simple iTou= ch > interface for the CCs sent externally to the GR55. So you can have hand > control of all those lovely parameters. > > Its here http://www.markfrancombe.com/plugis/GR30ASSIGNS2.touchosc if you > want it > This all it is... > https://img.skitch.com/20120226-b4889dnwfdh5hi4xg9a3dg4gwy.jpg > simple but very very useful > > Per and Erdem, please give me at least 3 months notice of your next gig > together, I'll need to save up for an air ticket! > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 15:50:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1309183464; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of danielhlevine@gmail.com designates 10.204.148.89 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.148.89; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of danielhlevine@gmail.com designates 10.204.148.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=danielhlevine@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=danielhlevine@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=etY7wa0WoV4Z8/Y5kI0i3cpbgLYmZ24Vj/Gh7FKkp6M=; b=sMLy+cZeNHKnVfBcTm3eUS78W7itI0E1uz0D+cKypIxKldDBFJ6IikxI5Isc5w4834 dtcralF+DDcGTp5hNpKhlubTp7aD0WdKn4YeDIYcu0DWVCTdwgUkKnauzSOlQot03q+7 GLA4jCL+4MEAjk4QP8GEk5rKw/KUsiR8t1+iA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <001c01ccf44b$9ca511d0$d5ef3570$@michaelplishka.com> References: <1330128470.45132.yint-ygo-j2me@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2D83F88DAC4B4F8E9DAF5A801C7918B0@ELUK1> <001c01ccf44b$9ca511d0$d5ef3570$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:50:48 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9eeahfqe2JMx2tlnwkYtuCUngqE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonicbids From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cab101e77e204b9dff5f9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:50:49 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cab101e77e204b9dff5f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One of the bands I play in uses Sonicbids a lot and to some level of success but that has come with quite a bit of debt. On top of the monthly fee it costs between $5 to $45 (sometimes more) just to *maybe* be considered. It's almost worse than applying to college in that respect because at least schools let you know if you've been accepted. I've been using SB for my solo music for over a year and I've been left in limbo with about 75% of the gigs I've applied for. Like Mike, I've had much more success doing it myself. I think Sonicbids is a racquet. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:58 AM, wrote: > I've worked with them in the past and had a basic account. To tell you the > truth, I've gotten booked more by beating the bushes myself, but their > setup > is nice and it's a clean online portfolio that people can go to if you > don't > want to build things for yourself. > > And, like you said, certain festivals will only hire people through > Sonicbids. > > ~peace~ > > Mike > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > Twitter: @plish > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Sonicbids > > Has anyone on LD ever dealt with them? Apparently it's the only way to be > considered for the SXSW festival thang... > > --0015175cab101e77e204b9dff5f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the bands I play in uses Sonicbids a lot and to some level of succes= s but that has come with quite a bit of debt.=A0On top of the monthly fee i= t costs between $5 to $45 (sometimes more) just to maybe be consider= ed. It's almost worse than applying to college in that respect because = at least schools let you know if you've been accepted. I've been us= ing SB for my solo music for over a year and I've been left in limbo wi= th about 75% of the gigs I've applied for.

Like Mike, I've had much more success doing it myself. I think Soni= cbids is a racquet.


On Sun, Feb 26, = 2012 at 12:58 AM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
I've worked with them in the past and ha= d a basic account. =A0To tell you the
truth, I've gotten booked more by beating the bushes myself, but their = setup
is nice and it's a clean online portfolio that people can go to if you = don't
want to build things for yourself.

And, like you said, certain festivals will only hire people through
Sonicbids.

~peace~

Mike



www.michaelplis= hka.com
www.scribbled= musings.com
Twitter: @plish


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:s= pgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:08 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Subject: Sonicbids

Has anyone on LD ever dealt with them? =A0Apparently it's the only way = to be
considered for the SXSW festival thang...


--0015175cab101e77e204b9dff5f9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 17:41:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23AFF183466; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.216.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.216.42; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.216.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=2xe7SC11Yh6ciZSzfLp/6ZS6s/PpWXEyv5mkNrAWhxA=; b=RU57jFBc6vaGtLT7hGiegenNUWthCCwo25U0prwZvyc6J+rR0RoYJGbse7kQGQlYXO Vw2dT4WlJmvchkZCzIpVg2EC+CBSIgpxn4BppfFW89Sljo89zMo4dwGkNfGu7kOxtB2u 88f15yCDvCuQ3783GxiWC+5s2f98QV7dQ8Pvw= Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- References: <57B4FEA7-4BE6-4DE0-869A-89387F3EF532@frontier.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <57B4FEA7-4BE6-4DE0-869A-89387F3EF532@frontier.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:41:08 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:41:14 +0000 (UTC) So if i dont clean it out it will mess up? There's no liquid in it because i= t all dried up before i turned it on so shouldnt it be fine? Or will it corr= ode or something? Kaylon On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > If it makes you feel any better, my cat peed on one of my microphones. Soa= ked right through the carrying case/bag and into the mic. You can read all a= bout it on gearslutz.com, if you're so inclined. I got some hilarious replie= s. ;) >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 19:20:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F358183466; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=CnCbM8ahEU8A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=o0ZD21Z9AAAA:8 a=kGL4f-nDAAAA:20 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=806WIlUAtvv0P5y9gowA:9 a=tMi07uD1q-LaXT4wAcgA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=dg_k66Q1adrKtNoa:21 a=ve5E2HWrWHgAnWwi:21 a=71imJ1mV1bWunFDJ0TrKOw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Message-ID: <0209F30EC70D430D926A67DE3D2A46CE@KTSCHAZ> From: "Chaz Worm" To: References: <19E7805D-4C87-444B-A85C-5212A071A7FF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:19:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:20:03 +0000 (UTC) But lyrics are funnier than music alone. Its been my experience that chicks REALLY dig comedians. Me and my former co-partner in crime, the guitar god Jeffee Earth, grew so weary of instrumentals when we were teenagers we started writing lyrics to already established instrumentals. I just remember "Pipeline" and "Walk Don't Run" was really silly. chaz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gmail" To: Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Any other youth here at LD? These days its a little of both. I personally am a producer (sorta) and have a lot of friends that want to do what I do and theres also a lot that want to get famous. Some want both. I, however, dont make music with the intention of having someone put lyrics over it. I actually prefer to keep it instrumental. I cant speak for what everyone likes because I tend to stay separated from them in taste. From what I observe, people at my school dont really like radio pop music anymore (including me) because its just too bland its the same thing over an over. People seem to be moving towards the internet famous artist. I listen to almost 100% instrumental electronic music of many subgenres, which is where i get a lot of inspiration. I dont know very many people at all that play instruments but thats because I never look for them. I think I have an odd phobia of other musicians. Kaylon On Feb 25, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > kay'lon rushing was like: >> Just wondering if there are any other teenagers here at LD or am I just >> one >> of a very small group? So far it seems like everyone has graduated >> colloge >> already haha. > > Hey Kay'lon, > > I'm surprised that you didn't see more teenage responses, but I guess > it makes sense. Think of it as a complement - you're a bit ahead of > the curve for your age! That's not to say you have the interests of > old people - more that most people your age probably haven't > encountered live looping yet. I bet you'll find the field getting less > lonely as you get older - certainly within the next 4-5 years. > > When I was a teenager, most of the other musicians my age were content > to play an instrument and in the genre they liked. (Me too - to be > frank.) "Being good" at the time involved being able to make your > hands move quickly and knowing how to play a lot of well-known songs. > I didn't start meeting people who were exploring expanding their > instrument setups or developing their own sound palette until their > early 20s. And let's face it - the technology costs money. > > I'm curious - what are people your age interested in doing in music > these days? I graduated in the 90s - at the time, bands in which > people played instruments seemed to still have hope of getting > well-known someday. The culture of music has changed since then in > simultaneously different directions. On one hand, the music you hear > on tv & radio is much more oriented on the singer or rapper, with very > little attention paid to the people who actually make the music. On > the other hand, the internet has created opportunities to hear music > in such a way that MTV and corporate radio might not be the primary > pipelines that they were when I was in high school. Do you meet a lot > of kids who play instruments, or is it mostly people who want to be > the "personality" and have the music happen behind the scenes. Do you > meet folks your age who want to be producers? > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4831 - Release Date: 02/25/12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 19:29:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDD7E183465; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: LG Victory Dance, and A Question From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4F49FDDB.70907@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:28:59 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <929710D3-47BB-4972-8788-6550713DBF6A@gmail.com> References: <4F49FDDB.70907@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy, took your advice and let it alone. :) Instead, I spent the remaining wee hours cobbling together and assigning = a 'patch group' such that I can now walk through a dozen EDP preset = setups (quant 4, 8, 16, q off, sus rec, sus replace, sus od, etc) with a = single switch...=20 Think I've got the hang of this thing now - it's pretty deep ! Phil :) =20 On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:39 AM, andy butler wrote: > hi Phil, >=20 > :-) congrats > ....so just loop and forget this question >=20 >=20 > it's *possible* to program the LG's LEDs to do what you want, > in the latest hardware/firmware version. >=20 > Indeed someone on the LG list implemented something along those lines > for a much simpler looper in order to have an led on during record >=20 > Xavier suggested: > ****************************** >=20 > Again for the same example, the Play stompbox could contain an = ActivateEffect message which switches the Record stompbox off. The = result is the same as solution above, except that the Record switch is = now a stomp with steady on/off LED, instead of a momentary with = blinking/off LED. > ******************************* >=20 > ...but that's a fix for a much simpler problem >=20 > ...and you're basically on a loser if you ever want to use more than = one loop. >=20 > Copying the logic of the edp into the LG could conceivably work, as = the LG > has conditional statements and variables. >=20 > ...but as the edp's buttons are multifunction, and as the overdub = state is > one of the things that's saved with each individual loop, that's a = whole lot of programming. >=20 > I just use momentaries. >=20 > andy >=20 > Phil Clevenger wrote: >> Well after a long day of farking about, I've finally managed to = replicate the entirety of my EDP's footswitch functionality within my = recently acquired Gordius LG, with long/short press behaviors and = all... I'm giddy with victory now :) >> But one thing more would be the icing on the cake : Does anyone know = how to get the LEDs to behave such that the light is ON when recording = or overdubbing, for instance, and OFF when no longer doing so? Current = behavior is that the light goes on when I press a button of any kind, = then goes off only when I press another button. In effect it tells me = what the last button used was. I've mucked about with the LED settings, = two-state stuff, stompbox stuff, and the Gordius LED control commands, = to no avail... >> Phil :) >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 19:52:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9156C183464; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1423 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:52:38 UTC References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <92894408-7576-46EE-8537-72A7CDBC1590@thompsoundmusic.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Billy Thompson Subject: Re: old technology - digi 001 and G4 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:28:53 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailcore-Auth: 9862611 X-Mailcore-Domain: 27454 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:52:39 +0000 (UTC) The 001 was my first ProTools system and was absolutely brilliant. People generally agree that the pre-amps of the 001 were better than the 002= . I was happy (and still am for mobile recording using my Focusrite Octopre)= with my 002 but then got the 003 for my studio when Digidesign offered the '= amnesty' for owners of 001s. I now have a G4 sat in the corner of the room doing nothing having also move= d on with my Mac choices. If you can get the 001 for $100 as you say, I say go for it. In time you will definitely want/need more processing power but until you ar= e ready the 001/G4 is/was a fantastic combo and a great introduction to ProT= ools. Billy http://www.billythompson.co.uk http://www.thompsoundmusic.co.uk On 26 Feb 2012, at 02:56, openjam@aol.com wrote: > Anyone still using or ever used the digidesign digi 001 >=20 > When this first came out nearly 13 years ago, the mac g4 was the preferre= d computer for the digi001 and this was the state of the art for home comput= er recording. >=20 > I have my old g4 still and it runs fine. I can buy a digi 001 rig for $100= . If i would have had this back in the day it would have been 100% matched f= or each others performance. And there's a chance I would still be using it t= oday. >=20 > All i really want are more tracks, more inputs, and the ability to edit re= cordings beyond what I currently have which is a basic Yamaha MD4 digital 4 t= rack. >=20 > tq >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 19:56:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05C9E183463; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.42.152.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.42.152.69; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.42.152.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=C5UzYo0mKNWlAc+phZ/kCFR2Q1fsMoxRcEJksI9q1Po=; b=fEFDghc3u2Sn82i+3k3rvFHsFTHV995QiKgu5/mHyl9MdIzfaCnCcEhUwW0w6dCGcC fvWwQxZwJUNvIFAWhuG+GyclYH9T6G3hERU7YKiOXxcrbY2XL7qC/wMom5+cSvGH2mdC 6557TsceGyYlMDmoJq3mLo1ohqdoe2DJ/ym6U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:56:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Per and Erdem in Paris From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8bea11939304b9e365bf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8bea11939304b9e365bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This was great stuff! 2012/2/26 Per Boysen > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > One thing Per, I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris for > the > > Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the > GR55 > > as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that. Can > > you tell me, what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius > with? > > Is it all on the Faderfox? > > Well, actually I didn't have yet have the GR-55 by the time we did > that Paris gig. I played no synths at all, only the Stick/flute sound > through Logic's/Mainstage's effects. The pedal controller I was using > is my Gordius LG and for Paris extended with two expression pedals. > None of us did any audio looping per se. I had a system of eight Tape > Delay (Logic/Mainstage) plugins on the eight surround channels that > could freeze one and a half bar of audio, but I never used it. > However, what I did a lot and that might sound as "looping" was the > freeze-reverb routing. I have one such on each Stick fretboard output, > each one controlled by an expression pedal that also doubles up as a > volume pedal. This is good when using the flute mic because when > freezing audio in the reverb the input is closed so that no stage > noise will leak into the loop (yes, technically speaking it is a loop > but only a few milliseconds long. For that I use the plugin EchoBoy > from SoundToys - have tried everything else I know of and only this > plugin gives the frozen sound cloud I want). > > As for "bit crushing" I don't use that at all and will probably never > do. I just don't like the sound of that effect. The "distortion" I use > on the STick is not really distortion, it is an audio-to-synth-wave > envelope tracking plugin from Expert Sleepers called Oomingmak. At the > Cologne Loopfest Os told me this is their least selling product and > that really amazes me when thinking about its sonic capabilities. > > So much for that Paris gig video. For the Istanbul concert I had > finally acquired a GR-55 and I skipped over bringing the Gordius to > use only the GR-55 pedal to control the freeze-reverb and other > software effects. In Istanbul I did some live looping in Mobius but > controlled that all from the Faderfox LV3 minimal hand mixer. With > Ableton Live - as we were using this in Istanbul - you can also set up > laptop key commands to control almost everything and that too > minimizes the need for control pedals. > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Anders Bergdahl > wrote: > > Per do you ever perform closer to home? > > Nothing booked at the moment. Except for this music camp the week > before midsummer: > http://www.blekingejazzandworld.se/Blekinge_Jazz_%26_World/Start.html > But that's not a regular gig since I'll be teaching live looping. It's > more like a week of constant jamming and chatting through a series of > workshops. Very inexpensive and great fun that I can recommend. One > year we even had an attender coming up from Germany with backpack and > squeezebox ;-) > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > I have to just comment on this clip from Per and Erdem in Paris. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=6DWezuFTdgE > > > > Its astounding! > > I quite simply would have paid to fly to Paris to see this in the > octophonic > > version if I had known. > > I have their SubCity album, but I must say, Im not a huge fan of > listening > > to recorded abstract music, although it might be my favorite genre of > music > > to hear played live. (abstract... god terrible word, I kind of include > this > > in improv, but as I know this gig was based on SunCity (or the other way > > round) I cant really call it Improv). > > Although quite different musicians, both Erdem and Per share one > important > > quality... and thats .. er... quality. Both in terms of timbre and taste. > > Firstly their tone or timbre is very distorted and warped > electronically, I > > hear bit crushich and ring modulations and granulations in both of their > > sounds, but amazingly (and something I find very hard to achieve) their > > audio quality is very clean, almost antiseptic, very digital and precise. > > There is no hiss or grunge or sludge or muffled tones at all, its all > > crystal clear. > > Im sure Per would put this down to being all in the digital domain. Even > > though my set-up is almost a hardware version of Pers set-u, mine is > plagued > > by cables and hiss and hums and distortion and level issues and impedance > > problems. I'm afraid I'm too attached to my boxes to change, but if > someone > > were to persuade me, it would be Per. > > > > As for quality of taste, they know that its important to take your time, > > although they slip into some toe-tapping beats once or twice, with > abstract > > electronic music I always feel its important to be aware of pace, for the > > user to accept that "this is it" and not think that its some kind of > drawn > > out intro. When accepted, this music shines and I see it more like > classical > > music, carefully composed and completely clear of ego and pomp. > > Pers flute is theonly thing that, doesnt quit "fit" into teh sound > picture, > > it has a slightly retro feel to it, reminding one of previous > experimental > > uses of the instrument, like Kraftwerk, Gong or dare I say... Jethro > Tull?? > > The references are a bit too much for me, a bit too er... ethnic... but > you > > know.. musically I have to say it still fits wonderfully. It actually is > the > > instrument that brings in the most techno part of the perfomance, the > loping > > (not looping... look it up!!) 2 step beat. I suppose when an instrument > has > > a particular reference for you, its impossible not to think of it... > Almost > > like if Erdem suddenly whipped out a Didgeridoo, or Per some Bagpipes. > (Now > > tell me, that someone DIDNT just think of a rainbow jumper and > dreadlocks, > > and a guy in a kilt???) > > > > One thing Per, I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris for > the > > Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the > GR55 > > as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that. Can > > you tell me, what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius > with? > > Is it all on the Faderfox? If you are considering the iPhone route, you > > should really think about the Missing Link. Iknow your thinking about > using > > it to change parameters on the Laptop, but I have made a very simple > iTouch > > interface for the CCs sent externally to the GR55. So you can have hand > > control of all those lovely parameters. > > > > Its here http://www.markfrancombe.com/plugis/GR30ASSIGNS2.touchosc if > you > > want it > > This all it is... > > https://img.skitch.com/20120226-b4889dnwfdh5hi4xg9a3dg4gwy.jpg > > simple but very very useful > > > > Per and Erdem, please give me at least 3 months notice of your next gig > > together, I'll need to save up for an air ticket! > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > -- Petri --90e6ba6e8bea11939304b9e365bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was great stuff!

2012/2/26 Per Boyse= n <perboysen@gm= ail.com>
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:=
> One thing Per, I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris for= the
> Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the = GR55
> as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that. = Can
> you tell me, what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius w= ith?
> Is it all on the Faderfox?

Well, actually I didn't have yet have the GR-55 by the time we di= d
that Paris gig. I played no synths at all, only the Stick/flute sound
through Logic's/Mainstage's effects. The pedal controller I was usi= ng
is my Gordius LG and for Paris extended with two expression pedals.
None of us did any audio looping per se. I had a system of eight Tape
Delay (Logic/Mainstage) plugins on the eight surround channels that
could freeze one and a half bar of audio, but I never used it.
However, what I did a lot and that might sound as "looping" was t= he
freeze-reverb routing. I have one such on each Stick fretboard output,
each one controlled by an expression pedal that also doubles up as a
volume pedal. This is good when using the flute mic because when
freezing audio in the reverb the input is closed so that no stage
noise will leak into the loop (yes, technically speaking it is a loop
but only a few milliseconds long. For that I use the plugin EchoBoy
from SoundToys - have tried everything else I know of and only this
plugin gives the frozen sound cloud I want).

As for "bit crushing" I don't use that at all and will probab= ly never
do. I just don't like the sound of that effect. The "distortion&qu= ot; I use
on the STick is not really distortion, it is an audio-to-synth-wave
envelope tracking plugin from Expert Sleepers called Oomingmak. At the
Cologne Loopfest Os told me this is their least selling product and
that really amazes me when thinking about its sonic capabilities.

So much for that Paris gig video. For the Istanbul concert I had
finally acquired a GR-55 and I skipped over bringing the Gordius to
use only the GR-55 pedal to control the freeze-reverb and other
software effects. In Istanbul I did some live looping in Mobius but
controlled that all from the Faderfox LV3 minimal hand mixer. With
Ableton Live - as we were using this in Istanbul - you can also set up
laptop key commands to control almost everything and that too
minimizes the need for control pedals.


On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Anders Bergdahl
<anders_e_bergdahl@hotm= ail.com> wrote:
> Per do you ever=A0perform=A0closer to home?

Nothing booked at the moment. Except for this music camp the week
before midsummer:
http://www.blekingejazzandworld.se/Blekinge_Jazz_%= 26_World/Start.html
But that's not a regular gig since I'll be teaching live looping. I= t's
more like a week of constant jamming and chatting through a series of
workshops. Very inexpensive and great fun that I can recommend. One
year we even had an attender coming up from Germany with backpack and
squeezebox ;-)

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> I have to just comment on this clip from Per and Erdem in Paris.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature= =3Dplayer_profilepage&v=3D6DWezuFTdgE
>
> Its astounding!
> I quite simply would have paid to fly to Paris to see this in the octo= phonic
> version if I had known.
> I have their SubCity album, but I must say, Im not a huge fan of liste= ning
> to recorded abstract music, although it might be my favorite genre of = music
> to hear played live. (abstract... god terrible word, I kind of include= this
> in improv, but as I know this gig was based on SunCity (or the other w= ay
> round) I cant really call it Improv).
> Although quite different musicians, both Erdem and Per share one impor= tant
> quality... and thats .. er... quality. Both in terms of timbre and tas= te.
> Firstly their tone or=A0 timbre is very distorted and warped electroni= cally, I
> hear bit crushich and ring modulations and granulations in both of the= ir
> sounds, but amazingly (and something I find very hard to achieve) thei= r
> audio quality is very clean, almost antiseptic, very digital and preci= se.
> There is no hiss or grunge or sludge or muffled tones at all, its all<= br> > crystal clear.
> Im sure Per would put this down to being all in the digital domain. Ev= en
> though my set-up is almost a hardware version of Pers set-u, mine is p= lagued
> by cables and hiss and hums and distortion and level issues and impeda= nce
> problems. I'm afraid I'm too attached to my boxes to change, b= ut if someone
> were to persuade me, it would be Per.
>
> As for quality of taste, they know that its important to take your tim= e,
> although they slip into some toe-tapping beats once or twice, with abs= tract
> electronic music I always feel its important to be aware of pace, for = the
> user to accept that "this is it" and not think that its some= kind of drawn
> out intro. When accepted, this music shines and I see it more like cla= ssical
> music, carefully composed and completely clear of ego and pomp.
> Pers flute is theonly thing that, doesnt quit "fit" into teh= sound picture,
> it has a slightly retro feel to it, reminding one of previous experime= ntal
> uses of the instrument, like Kraftwerk, Gong or dare I say... Jethro T= ull??
> The references are a bit too much for me, a bit too er... ethnic...=A0= but you
> know.. musically I have to say it still fits wonderfully. It actually = is the
> instrument that brings in the most techno part of the perfomance, the = loping
> (not looping... look it up!!)=A0 2 step beat. I suppose when an instru= ment has
> a particular reference for you, its impossible not to think of it... A= lmost
> like if Erdem suddenly whipped out a Didgeridoo, or Per some Bagpipes.= (Now
> tell me, that someone DIDNT just think of a rainbow jumper and dreadlo= cks,
> and a guy in a kilt???)
>
> One thing Per, I noticed in your setup that you described to Chris for= the
> Istanbul show (guessing it was quite simerlar) that you are using the = GR55
> as a foot controller. Im very interested in the nitty gritty of that. = Can
> you tell me, what controller are you using to actully loop in Mobius w= ith?
> Is it all on the Faderfox? If you are considering the iPhone route, yo= u
> should really think about the Missing Link. Iknow your thinking about = using
> it to change parameters on the Laptop, but I have made a very simple i= Touch
> interface for the CCs sent externally to the GR55. So you can have han= d
> control of all those lovely parameters.
>
> Its here http://www.markfrancombe.com/plugis/GR30ASSIGNS2= .touchosc if you
> want it
> This all it is...
> https://img.skitch.com/20120226-b4889dnwfdh5hi4xg9a3= dg4gwy.jpg
> simple but very very useful
>
> Per and Erdem, please give me at least 3 months notice of your next gi= g
> together, I'll need to save up for an air ticket!
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




--
Petri
<= br>
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= --_388d8274-3950-4c26-a35b-e207f748341e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 01:21:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0454183464; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F4ADA7D.7040209@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:21:01 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-mukmC.A.5vF.FqtSPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Dear Gary and everyone waiting for a pre-ordered LP-2, I talked with Bob today and he told me that he has answered every single email he has received about the LP-2 orders and that he has also posted on the Looperlative Forum and at the Loopers Delight Facebook site with updates about the units. His mother is visiting him from the midwest so he is one week behind on the forum post but that will end in a day or two. So, if you (and specifically, Gary) have not heard back from him, it means he hasn't received your email. Just to be double sure, please write to him at this address to make sure he gets it. He's expecting something from you. bob@looperlative.com Also, in update news, I just discovered a bug in the LP-2 that we had missed previously, but Bob just got it fixed and is assembling boards to ship out as we speak. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 03:32:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD4C183461; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F4AF956.5080608@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:32:38 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #777 for February 23, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:32:43 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120223.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #777 February 23, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8381 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Twilight" on BogusFocus Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#feb PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Mark Jenkins The Stone Sequencer Loops (AMP) Mark Jenkins A Gift for the Sequencer Loops (AMP) Darkness Wave World Nanowasp Tableaux (VFR) Monty Adkins Torn Mosaic Fragile.Flicker.Fragment (Audiobulb) Numina Faces Remain Dawn of Obscurity (Numinamusic) Justin Vanderberg Synthetic Memories * Synthetic Memories (Spotted Peccary) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Nagle Twilight Twilight (BogusFocus) Paul Nagle Salvador's Alpaca Twilight (BogusFocus) Paul Nagle Flyby Twilight (BogusFocus) Paul Nagle All the Dirt Twilight (BogusFocus) Paul Nagle Embers Twilight (BogusFocus) Paul Nagle Fristaden Twilight (BogusFocus) Paul Nagle He's Spartacus Twilight (BogusFocus) Paul Nagle Let Yourself Go Twilight (BogusFocus) Modulator ESP The Unknowing * The Unknowing (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mexico Rising" on AMP Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#mar Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 03:52:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA460183463; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 195179.89333.bm@omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330314769; bh=6C34bk1EcaLU0thT2ja+iPw7kaL6ReCmPY18syo5GIs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=X+tt0qG4jtw8VltyNjkx4/xNIvhTpe6NAmGt/+brO9TFeaIad3D/zstTu8QoJswvOVA80BHLZSE4LquayjZVG/mbMrLid5tpWk2zbdkKm4RL7y4J55OPsI//eGzNlc7f0Pygxy+ADZdM1nbm26nQPKBmbGS6aW8GAjYvM+RGfUI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: JI.5uPsVM1nziPjHT3Ff0SLDkVJccTm86XeahdKwbEg8mg8 0Yj8N3UijzeqZQtELuiB7uMoIYOL9XpR5HEnfjtXmWJmXMctnTXZBTmXBRZS t1BNId_23QWBJqgnr_adaEt63kqGDK45aLplPWpau2_5fAGX14WUCPHVau.t krlqizKfVRVVh2.KNqXbX73XnFL6CaV9v94jgRDWCiHOjraULoNzOAr6_F3M eESOhx8_6A.kLtCIseqlTzn7Sb9X0GGCCphyswOyFQKQJYTPjUd7PS8QEWQC 5C.pJXAzF9Gz_BOChDAiVE22yBWVq8CNdLL.jTOBnqQ3.K11eeyDNrQpMeyH n58G2d_h8ZtZ0HfMomoFwh5Y2hpggcf_Kxcws._M_O_TWMRki.n5RjSLcqAQ .6DLifUfAVGFm4vM- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--179751153 Subject: Re: Dog peed on my keyboard -___- Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:52:46 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:52:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--179751153 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ah, but we really don't know what the pee has touched until he opens it = up and looks, right? it may have only gotten in beneath the keys (since = he mentioned they seem crunchy now). =20 I think you pretty much have to open it up and look to see what's been = damaged. If you just have to clean up the area beneath the keys, maybe = there isn't any circuitry there? Michael (3x09) On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:01 PM, joy_top top wrote: > Wither it is wet now are not is immaterial. It was applied wet to the = circuit board and will corrode the traces until they lift off the board. = I have had to replace an Ensoniq main board before because it wasn't = cleaned off. $1000 lesson, but do as you wish. Copper and ammonia = just doesn't mix. --Apple-Mail-1--179751153 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii ah, but we really don't know what the pee has = touched until he opens it up and looks, right?  it may have only = gotten in beneath the keys (since he mentioned they seem crunchy now). =  

I think you pretty much have to open it up and = look to see what's been damaged.  If you just have to clean up the = area beneath the keys, maybe there isn't any circuitry = there?

Michael = (3x09)

On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:01 PM, joy_top top = wrote:

Wither it is wet now are not is immaterial. It was = applied wet to the circuit board and will corrode the traces until they = lift off the board. I have had to replace an Ensoniq main board before = because it wasn't cleaned off.    $1000 lesson, but = do as you wish. Copper and ammonia just doesn't = mix.

= --Apple-Mail-1--179751153-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 19:56:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B666618345D; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.222.135 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.222.135; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.222.135 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1zEFD86PFjqMNKs/ndOIzuGPwOPDszPfn4ChCIBKkP8=; b=oOTwWoozhYcrxu0sZx8AmcqoQhnG5DZ/JRfzgu9YrnEnLS8E5DXR6DHCzeYpe8xM74 skrE5zWqWRnU/qyEBHC4hh7EscFksvQi8cW2MriBOiLKtL1bO5VrneV0rShzZIYKVD6v yDGyzxjRqq4tgNc6YCvclvq2JS9QIdXKxokno= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:56:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: OT or not - MURMURINGS From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopergroup Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b9b3d9da204b9f783ce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:56:57 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340b9b3d9da204b9f783ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone Cause hip hop is made out of little samples = loops, I decided I share this one with you. I been doing a collab with a guy called Mr. Upright and here are the results. http://soundcloud.com/upright/murmuring-a-petri-lahtinen-and Just thought I'd post this cause Rick and somebody else mentioned instrumental hip hop in some other thread. Peace from Finland -- Petri --14dae9340b9b3d9da204b9f783ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone

Cause hip hop is made out of little samples =3D loops,I decided I share this one with you.

I been doing a collab with a = guy called Mr. Upright and here are the results.

http://soundcloud.com= /upright/murmuring-a-petri-lahtinen-and

Just thought I'd post this cause Rick and somebody else mentioned i= nstrumental hip hop
in some other thread.

Peace from Finland

--
Petri


--14dae9340b9b3d9da204b9f783ce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 20:04:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 727CA183455; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.95.195 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.95.195; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.95.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=koeAlQHg2ZFYvHi0tl20FSMbwFfu0aWGBv26rD3iUn8=; b=aic3JgLRy5r3xHxHPqDnN1GcKkerYAB+F1jnctkUYCb3XMx+1Pr8TVE8DlQDdmWXJj 7/PzpZBX12dXoD1/mGes3Pw/jER5Uz0Ai+9JQzUsVqamcyePMMnhyR9Nc9YWqU8xqrqn yQ8MHl6BM1NMKTyeT2P7JbVyH0g34mxR3kErs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:04:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_OT=3A_Worthy_of_Goldsworthy_=85?= From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2349cba5932604b9f79f8b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:04:54 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2349cba5932604b9f79f8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh - nice - repost! 2012/2/23 Dennis Moser > Per, > > Precisely=85and followed by all the other "earth artists." > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > >> A new genre, with roots to an older one: > >> > >> > http://inhabitat.com/sonja-hinrichsen-walks-in-circles-to-create-these-sp= ectacular-snow-drawings-in-colorado/ > > > > > > Nice! Are Crop Circles the referred "older genre"? > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > --=20 Petri --e89a8f2349cba5932604b9f79f8b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh - nice - repost!

2012/2/23 Dennis Mose= r <sinsofma= chaut@gmail.com>
Per,

Precisely=85and followed by all the other "earth artists."

Best,

Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/



On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:30 = AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.c= om> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> A new genre, with roots to an older one:
>>
>> h= ttp://inhabitat.com/sonja-hinrichsen-walks-in-circles-to-create-these-spect= acular-snow-drawings-in-colorado/
>
>
> Nice! Are Crop Circles the referred "older genre"?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen
>




--
Petri
<= br>
--e89a8f2349cba5932604b9f79f8b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 00:42:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 879E618345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F4C22E8.3060804@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:42:16 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Top 20 Report for February, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:42:20 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120223.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for February, 2012. Shows #774 to #777; 2-February-2012 to 23-February-2012 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox The Special Focus for February was Paul Nagle. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#feb ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ======================================================================== Amongst Myselves - Ambient, Landscape and Space - none Brian Parnham - See None, Hear None, Speak None - Floating Point Circle - Miljard - Ektro Cyber Zen Sound Engine - Cooperation - none cyberCHUMP - Their Moment of Perfect Happiness - Internal Combustion Dan Pound - Cocoon - Poundsounds Jeff Talman - Nature of the Night Sky - New Domain Justin Vanderberg - Synthetic Memories - Spotted Peccary Modulator ESP - The Unknowing - none Monty Adkins - Fragile.Flicker.Fragment - Audiobulb Numina - Dawn of Obscurity - Numinamusic Oystein Jorgensen - Imagine - Auraltone Music Paul Nagle - Blue Book - NeuHarmony Paul Nagle - CyberDiver - NeuHarmony Paul Nagle - Red Book - NeuHarmony Paul Nagle - Twilight - BogusFocus Phillip Wilkerson - The Stars and Afterward - none Robert Rich - Medicine Box - Soundscape Wave World - Tableaux - VFR Wendy Carlos - Sonic Seasonings - East Side Digital Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 01:21:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 453D218345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4F4C2BFF.008D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=VQUC6CKh6CgNVFnNR78SJncV/xBVc34iaBdWQHI5MlI= c=1 sm=1 a=BysGeQt2IUUA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=eItoi3OZAAAA:8 a=PpINfBDKuHin3mWRbkIA:9 a=jY9ptxTVJ-hRNB6mFeAA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=Xktr_reEE_kA:10 a=ZvUXeBR-PeUaDr5I:21 a=n7sffn7CJ9SmvS3A:21 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4F4ADA7D.7040209@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:20:49 -0800 Message-ID: <9AD8B45D420245D0A3ECD320C820BC01@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: <4F4ADA7D.7040209@cruzio.com> Thread-Index: Acz07hlB5i6xaUwtQOGIzoSxSr72JgAyPxrQ Resent-Message-ID: <7m42_B.A.zGB.BwCTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi all-- It's been 24 hours since I got this message--I emailed Bob as soon as I got home from the 7 hour gig I was blessed to work yesterday. I hope to hear from Bob soon . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:21 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially) Dear Gary and everyone waiting for a pre-ordered LP-2, I talked with Bob today and he told me that he has answered every single email he has received about the LP-2 orders and that he has also posted on the Looperlative Forum and at the Loopers Delight Facebook site with updates about the units. His mother is visiting him from the midwest so he is one week behind on the forum post but that will end in a day or two. So, if you (and specifically, Gary) have not heard back from him, it means he hasn't received your email. Just to be double sure, please write to him at this address to make sure he gets it. He's expecting something from you. bob@looperlative.com Also, in update news, I just discovered a bug in the LP-2 that we had missed previously, but Bob just got it fixed and is assembling boards to ship out as we speak. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 05:07:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BFF318345C; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 05:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--88850336 Subject: Echoloop VST MIDI controller Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:07:47 -0800 Message-Id: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: <31sJ1C.A.s7C.nEGTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 05:07:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--88850336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey loopers, Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me out here? Running Echoloop VST inside Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG. Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but = only when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command = the LG is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. = Fine, BUT that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the UI. Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to get the VST to = respond to direct MIDI. There is likely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am not = sure what it means really: For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly different = since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only the real = buttons have a parameter. Power user want them all: - 8 real buttons - 34 virtual buttons - 4 knobs - 25 menu items I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands via = channel 2 from LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the MIDI = prefs. In any case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST does = not respond (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :) What am I missing here? Many thanks in advance. Phil :)= --Apple-Mail-1--88850336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hey = loopers,

Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me = out  here?

Running Echoloop VST inside = Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG.

Having a = knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but only when = using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command the LG is = sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. Fine, BUT = that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the = UI.

Going back to the drawing board, I can find = no way to get the VST to respond to direct = MIDI.

There is likely a clue here in text from = Matthias' manual, but I am not sure what it means = really:

For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), = its slightly different since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same = list. So far only the real buttons have a parameter. Power user want = them all:
- 8 real buttons
- 34 = virtual buttons
- 4 knobs
- 25 = menu items

I have the VST = MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands via channel 2 from = LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the MIDI prefs. In any = case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST does not respond = (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :)

What am I missing here?

Many thanks in advance.

Phil :)
= --Apple-Mail-1--88850336-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 06:41:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3ACA18345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.14.230 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.14.230; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.14.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GtzUR8oinUi9ZbbVngwj7WqKqBca0SXuQ5bSi/QRQHE=; b=qn6bKWDfX0BHiQLVCuIQmwH+6OcwIyyZHK2FuuS6t4w/Y8RbPJvC+yOiISD9YEecz8 vsVoZ5tEK9ZxDB7nYLN0kEP4ZWM0RgN4RojV7Mrl2S0qxboz1bX6WFR0EaOVIQhiEdqb 2QZW8wSN+3e1iGu5Ty9RC0gxRF3q3MQqynspk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:40:59 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Keeping your sets interesting From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138ce186d1b704ba008298 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:41:00 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138ce186d1b704ba008298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? --f46d04138ce186d1b704ba008298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instrumen= ts partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live = looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as though my stuf= f will get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored durin= g sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh?

--f46d04138ce186d1b704ba008298-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 07:30:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B2B218345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9f496a22-3b0a-4afc-9713-12ca4f22481a_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:30:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2012 07:30:47.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[E38CA720:01CCF5EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:30:49 +0000 (UTC) --_9f496a22-3b0a-4afc-9713-12ca4f22481a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What sort of DAW are you using? I thought they all allowed live throughput. g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Mon=2C 27 Feb 2012 22:40:59 -0800 Subject: Keeping your sets interesting From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instruments = partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live looping= - based electronic music=2C at least try lol. I feel as though my stuff wil= l get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored during ses= sions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? = --_9f496a22-3b0a-4afc-9713-12ca4f22481a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What sort of DAW are you using? I thought they all allowed live throughput.=

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
Date: = Mon=2C 27 Feb 2012 22:40:59 -0800
Subject: Keeping your sets interesting=
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instrument= s partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live loopi= ng- based electronic music=2C at least try lol. I feel as though my stuff w= ill get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored during s= essions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh?
= --_9f496a22-3b0a-4afc-9713-12ca4f22481a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 07:51:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0BF118345C; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.138.165 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.138.165; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.68.138.165 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=QzoDMPyFfOGB1Zmztm6JhHfIAkztiD+a81XFk2RI0pA=; b=lUCj0+qoMGeBDYKwf0ODqYneQbxcuj7fLWUNXADfFXCIE3nL5MWVrPDPlGaTX1rfyI OU3faaWtQlZsumwHpltuKVkTE5iJleZIwlbqY2XBYXXfEOeUZ1FPwBCXgOCEpkNbP7Dy B008T9XaLAScTxboaeEbHCxJvlVC+CojWgJl8= Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting References: From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1037A695-9AEF-4A39-8D60-2E1E136F1A9E X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3182A495-36AD-459A-8DBD-D934C20A727D@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:51:19 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1037A695-9AEF-4A39-8D60-2E1E136F1A9E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Im using FL Studio (fruity edition). This edition doesn't allow audio input.= Its strictly for midi activity & soft synths pretty much. Kaylon On Feb 27, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Gareth Whittock wro= te: > What sort of DAW are you using? I thought they all allowed live throughput= . >=20 > g >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:40:59 -0800 > Subject: Keeping your sets interesting > From: k3zz21@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instruments= partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live looping= - based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as though my stuff will g= et boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored during session= s sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? --Apple-Mail-1037A695-9AEF-4A39-8D60-2E1E136F1A9E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Im using FL Studio (fruity edition). This edition doesn't allow audio input. Its strictly for midi activity & soft synths pretty much.

Kaylon

On Feb 27, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:

What sort of DAW are you using? I thought they all allowed live throughput.

g

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:40:59 -0800
Subject: Keeping your sets interesting
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh?
--Apple-Mail-1037A695-9AEF-4A39-8D60-2E1E136F1A9E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 08:00:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FABB183453; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_aba0f947-4506-4013-b032-e8b4b94612de_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:00:04 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3182A495-36AD-459A-8DBD-D934C20A727D@gmail.com> References: ,<3182A495-36AD-459A-8DBD-D934C20A727D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2012 08:00:04.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA96F340:01CCF5EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:00:06 +0000 (UTC) --_aba0f947-4506-4013-b032-e8b4b94612de_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah.. I know some people on the list are looking into video projections. Mar= k seems to be stepped in this at the moment. I've dabbled in it too. I thin= k it can be quite fruitful if that's your thing..A multimedia show might ge= t you more gigs too.. g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: k3zz21@gmail.com Date: Mon=2C 27 Feb 2012 23:51:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Im using FL Studio (fruity edition). This edition doesn't allow audio input= . Its strictly for midi activity & soft synths pretty much. Kaylon On Feb 27=2C 2012=2C at 11:30 PM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote: What sort of DAW are you using? I thought they all allowed live throughput. g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Mon=2C 27 Feb 2012 22:40:59 -0800 Subject: Keeping your sets interesting From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instruments = partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live looping= - based electronic music=2C at least try lol. I feel as though my stuff wil= l get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored during ses= sions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? =20 = --_aba0f947-4506-4013-b032-e8b4b94612de_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah.. I know some people on the list are looking into video projections. Mar= k seems to be stepped in this at the moment. I've dabbled in it too. I thin= k it can be quite fruitful if that's your thing..
A multimedia show mig= ht get you more gigs too..

g

Gareth Whittoc= k=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting
Fro= m: k3zz21@gmail.com
Date: Mon=2C 27 Feb 2012 23:51:19 -0800
To: Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Im using FL Studio (fruity edition). This edition doesn't allow audio = input. Its strictly for midi activity &=3B soft synths pretty much.
<= br>Kaylon

On Feb 27=2C 2012=2C at 11:30 PM=2C Gareth Whittock= <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk= >=3B wrote:

What sort of DAW are you using? I thought they all allowed live throughput.=

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
= Date: Mon=2C 27 Feb 2012 22:40:59 -0800
Subject: Keeping your sets inter= esting
From: k3zz21@gmail.comTo: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com

My whole live loop setup is labtop midi bas= ed. No live acustic instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept = audio input. I make live looping- based electronic music=2C at least try lo= l. I feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a performan= ce. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh?=
= --_aba0f947-4506-4013-b032-e8b4b94612de_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 10:16:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0C618345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.166.38 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.101.166.38; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.166.38 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5wq94R6R+54r7m5nHVt2bn5J0DsIV9g3Koc2Ap0igAA=; b=GY2QddDPwxxm3PKpKEfvGRHr7QduDIwGpAPoNvVsl3Zg4eGnaoeZgEPLfaaQM2aawR YW8w8p32Dr/wMkBNpHol0oEz6u0f19FktWuVRlOQzvH3+5KJmFuCvYBEZ992aifsKNS4 gf2xWEzKsAxLTHQSlezD2yAJKInrD7ygeX1T8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3182A495-36AD-459A-8DBD-D934C20A727D@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:16:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:16:38 +0000 (UTC) I suggest looking in the music for ways to stay out of the bore zone when performing. Especially think about the order of introducing new parts. Come up with strategies to avoid keeping a certain state too long. One example is when beginning with laying down a hihat part; don't play all 64 bars all through (if you plan to fill up 64 bars in total with the finished music to be). Make one or two bars and instantly multiply up that to the full 64 bars if needed. Or copy a one bar loop six times to make a seven bar loop and then "do an insert" to add an extra bar that you play live so you end up with an 8 bar loop where on of the bar is a bit different (fill or whatever). Or another strategy; make 1 bar, copy it 7 times to make a 8 bar loop, substitute one bar or maybe just a part of it for a variation. A good example is Kid Beyond's looping videos. He is very good at sketching up a musical song structure in almost one go. Then he returns to certain parts to add a harmony or a new percussive element. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Ah.. I know some people on the list are looking into video projections. Mark > seems to be stepped in this at the moment. I've dabbled in it too. I think > it can be quite fruitful if that's your thing.. > A multimedia show might get you more gigs too.. > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ________________________________ > Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting > From: k3zz21@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:51:19 -0800 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Im using FL Studio (fruity edition). This edition doesn't allow audio input. > Its strictly for midi activity & soft synths pretty much. > > Kaylon > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Gareth Whittock > wrote: > > What sort of DAW are you using? I thought they all allowed live throughput. > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ________________________________ > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:40:59 -0800 > Subject: Keeping your sets interesting > From: k3zz21@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instruments > partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live looping- > based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as though my stuff will get > boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored during sessions > sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 10:30:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 543B2183461; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.129.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.129.69; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.129.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Bj+OmkLja6+TQ0n1bm0jFB4WAbKdGeVokoXg7X4crGE=; b=vTWPeFXRHNqXYfPFsuSqZyCLJ9BKo8ygLzXMOWt6+bNyelhTPPtMOnGqU2ykZx2kTy 4gOAhoa8fm9ALhNhIhGaWEI2TDA8VoZjNqrmnu3kd9zzbtnhpQL/RtResLM/9y6fgL1q HPdYiIQsiuLbUqAoNoPxtbseFKXzhV8+Zku20= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <3182A495-36AD-459A-8DBD-D934C20A727D@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:30:21 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AaZRa9V6NNtAyuHwukOoqyUlnbE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c647b007e0204ba03b890 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:30:43 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c647b007e0204ba03b890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On the whole I don't think one should worry too much about "being boring". I have no doubt that for many many people,my concerts are the dullest thing since a holiday on a caravan site, but I should say tha me doing video projections is not really something that Im using to my my shows less boring. Its just something Ive always been interested in. Of course if you are concerned about what the audience is thinking, (and believe me Ive had those gigs - especially in the US, when my old band was booked to play at some redneck town, with a grill in front of the stage, just like in Blues Brothers... we were VERY worried how our miserable goth anthems would go down, my god.. I dont even know what Freebird sounds like, let alone play it) But the best thing is just to stand there, cold as fuck, and play... if YOU think tat you should drone on for 20 minutes before you change chord... DO IT! And believe me, ONE person in he crowd will always think its awesome, sometimes 2, and sometimes they are girls, and have beer back at their place... well.. OK.. that never happens, But God... why are you here? I dont mean on this list... I mean on this planet!!! Don't know? No.. no one does.. so you might as well enjoy it right? So your show is what Kaylon? You sitting behind a laptop pushing a mouse around..? ok cool.. I love that shit... If I have ONE thing to say on the matter, Do something.. ANYTHING.. that PROVES to the audience that what you are doing is live... they like that... make a mistake, and turn it to your advantage... I dont know where you come from or what you are up against, maybe you are the only one for 50 miles radius that is doing what you do.. but... hey.. that makes you unique..!! Dont worry so much about being boring... just dont get bored yourself... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c647b007e0204ba03b890 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the whole I don't think one should worry too much about "being = boring". I have no doubt that for many many people,my concerts are the= dullest thing since a holiday on a caravan site, but I should say tha me d= oing video projections is not really something that Im using to my my shows= less boring. Its just something Ive always been interested in.

Of course if you are concerned about what the audience is thinking, (an= d believe me Ive had those gigs - especially in the US, when my old band wa= s booked to play at some redneck town, with a grill in front of the stage, = just like in Blues Brothers... we were VERY worried how our miserable goth = anthems would go down, my god.. I dont even know what Freebird sounds like,= let alone play it)
But the best thing is just to stand there, cold as fuck, and play... if YOU= think tat you should drone on for 20 minutes before you change chord... DO= IT! And believe me, ONE person in he crowd will always think its awesome, = sometimes 2, and sometimes they are girls, and have beer back at their plac= e...=A0 well.. OK.. that never happens,
But God... why are you here?
I dont mean on this list...
I mean on th= is planet!!!
Don't know?
No.. no one does.. so you might as wel= l enjoy it right?

So your show is what Kaylon? You sitting behind a = laptop pushing a mouse around..? ok cool.. I love that shit... If I have ON= E thing to say on the matter, Do something.. ANYTHING.. that PROVES to the = audience that what you are doing is live... they like that... make a mistak= e, and turn it to your advantage... I dont know where you come from or what= you are up against, maybe you are the only one for 50 miles radius that is= doing what you do.. but... hey.. that makes you unique..!!

Dont worry so much about being boring... just dont get bored yourself..= .

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--f46d042c647b007e0204ba03b890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 10:39:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9890818345C; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.80.74 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.80.74; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.80.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6dT6KJrOcn6AjB0RlIpHRHxfrdMAhpascMJlruhNOos=; b=BbM2mVvNqupFrsVo0bBgvH0Oj4xXXXlCa8mJu0qUD6g13aQatcBj+kCPSZMTRY/ggg /tXUQXvXV6Zgonfq4asGJzswdu3QvpvCSO75MXRY/KXVoEWexD4E64m82udzSQ0aczzm qNQzWuS8hbWULlM8iufm0C2TeYr97JgaYxsiM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3182A495-36AD-459A-8DBD-D934C20A727D@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:39:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:39:10 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Dont worry so much about being boring... just dont get bored yourself... Awesome advice there! It's all about attitude. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 10:55:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63B0718345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F4CB27D.1070104@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 02:54:53 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_BZF6D.A.QaG.HKLTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:55:03 +0000 (UTC) On 2/27/12 10:40 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > I feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a > performance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips to > keep it fresh? > Contrast, Contrast, Contrast !!! change up your tempi from song to song change up your time signatures from song to song change up the density of your beats from very, very sparse to very dense change up which progressions you use or intersperse harmonically rich material with material that has only one scale in it's entirety change up the timbres you use, both in individual song arrangements but also from song to song change up styles. If you are very clever about sound choices and sound design and really learn how to juxtapose different sounds with other sounds that make them stand out in stark contrast you will not be limited by a laptop midi system. If you can't use acoustic sounds with your sound card, then utilize vocoded sounds. Switch up between sampled acoustic sounds and synthetic electronic sounds. Write from the drums up Write from the melody down Write from the harmony outward Write from the keyboards up and down Write from the bass line up. there are some approaches that I try to use. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 10:57:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6479618345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F4CB322.5030405@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 02:57:38 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gmail CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Keeping your sets interesting References: <3182A495-36AD-459A-8DBD-D934C20A727D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3182A495-36AD-459A-8DBD-D934C20A727D@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080507060606080000010406" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:57:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080507060606080000010406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/27/12 11:51 PM, Gmail wrote: > Im using FL Studio (fruity edition). This edition doesn't allow audio > input. Its strictly for midi activity & soft synths pretty much. I'm a die hard FL Studio (producers edition) user, Kay'lon. What version are you using, praytell? I ask because the last several versions have all supported real time audio recording. Also, they are moving more and more rapidly towards real time control of the program, so you can use it live as a breathing instrument. Are you aware that if you buy Fruity Loops that upgrades are free for life. They are on version 10.0 right now and , wow, have they added a lot of features to this amazing program over the years. rick walker --------------080507060606080000010406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/27/12 11:51 PM, Gmail wrote:
Im using FL Studio (fruity edition). This edition doesn't allow audio input. Its strictly for midi activity & soft synths pretty much.
I'm a die hard FL Studio (producers edition) user, Kay'lon.

What version are you using, praytell?

I ask because the last several versions have all supported real time audio recording.
Also, they are moving more and more rapidly towards real time control of the program,
so you can use it  live as a breathing instrument.

Are you aware that if you buy Fruity Loops that upgrades are free for life.

They are on version 10.0  right now and , wow, have they added a lot of features to this
amazing program over the years.

rick walker
 --------------080507060606080000010406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 11:51:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7821018345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.77.166 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.77.166; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.77.166 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=03pVXe4uBYgvRmhAsFxwnUnRKdv7Qt/r3kqshil+Ly8=; b=eZLNN24b1lsGe3IYp1OMHGkSboW5tYNcJVSRkPvNi5x5nUcZbNaMJO8R8wWqFAAiu3 LoPBKSsyytlHGblSD3BhYs6ROwiFx8tAaBg2pz39VYcEIoL2q73/62vyNlmSBvKUYTDe w5fRUh1Clxh0/Co49sWFMNxarSHPaGcKgTizU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:51:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: New video posted: Sub City 2064 - The Concert Trailer From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:51:54 +0000 (UTC) 20 minutes mostly filmed at the gig Erdem and I did in Istanbul last month: http://youtu.be/GawvbfwHgRE Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 12:36:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACE1C18345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hEG/5/gplIafmnNhTceU3A)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-28_05:2012-02-27,2012-02-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202280072 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:36:46 -0800 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-id: <1D624E76-0C88-405F-9E54-2E879F0B5184@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:36:57 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_hEG/5/gplIafmnNhTceU3A) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Kay'lon -- you launch a lot of good threads man! Some ideas that do not involve being an instrumentalist- =20 1) Be the performer. Dress for the gig. Pump up the shtick -- get = into the character of PERFORMER and deliver it with command presence. =20= 2) Discipline your looping practice with hooky parts constructed in = controlled workflows that construct terrace dynamics (layering and = dubbing out of voices) and harmonic tension and release, al beit, = improvisationaly. Practice practice practice. :) =20 3) Add a visual element-- clothes, lights, video effects, or a fried = chicken bucket on your head (been done) 4) Add an audience participation element. It can be as simple as break = down where you invite the audience to clap. Or a more complex = solution--I once created a show of house like electronica for a festival = in Quebec where the audience participated in the creation of the music. = I used a blue tooth based wireless midi controller system that received = a variety of CV type inputs. Tempo could be governed by an audience = member riding an exercise bike (Hilarious). . A tennis racket played a = variety of ambient percolating pad sounds as an audience member bounced = a tennis ball on it. Rez Filters and other sweepy effects were = controlled by 3d vector sensitive motion devices that audience members = could swing over their heads like a lasso, in time with the music. And, = the grand feature, a big 3 foot diameter inflated vinyl ball was thrown = into the audience -- each time it was hit, the groove would change or, = a sampled drum fill would fire-- This also triggered light effects on = the stage. Thrilling to see the audience figuring it out that the ball = was controlling performance events. 5) Bring a guest performer from the visual art scene. A dancer -- A = loopy cam performer -- ?? Daniel=20 =20 On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:40 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic = instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I = make live looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as = though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get = quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? >=20 --Boundary_(ID_hEG/5/gplIafmnNhTceU3A) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

My = whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instruments = partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live = looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as though my = stuff will get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite = bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh?

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= --Boundary_(ID_hEG/5/gplIafmnNhTceU3A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 14:24:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F888183460; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.229.136.137 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.136.137; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.229.136.137 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=HCNJgrfDdT6xAExallx+E7sAUTNRWvBHaK6qLPJwGZk=; b=HcWpY7HT0iN/6t9JrQGP4xHb8TywSgVGNsEFtTXmLHIWB8uppOQB0mIx8Pl8viihZU FK3L7T/w4T0ZUzca99yxlizzbV9bI1+f1E5Tas8yLyS8RpJK3XoNkAZ+T7plg1jh4nnD +HXbU3SfHihC2ZJbgbyG/kiE8cTa+GbESJrB0= Subject: Richard Lainhart memorial From: Jim Goodin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:24:45 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <9ZNmyD.A.a6.vOOTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Some of you may know of Richard Lainhart (http://oldtownmedia.com) who passe= d away in December. There is a memorial service taking place this Sunday Mar 4 at 3pm at Roulett= e in Brooklyn. In addition to his dedication to synthesis and electronic music Richard was a= lso a filmmaker. One film of his History of the Future will be shown. Ther= e will be a live improv orchestra organized by Lucio Menegon, which I'm plea= sed to be part of, providing a sound score for this work. The service is open to the public and should you be in the area please consi= der coming to remember the life and work of Richard. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 15:25:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92DC4183461; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=9Ykqd8MNxdxlIT16EnEA:9 a=_Qib9jS91QZXkPt7IwwA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:25:24 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <48DEAE49-C824-4FD3-9638-2E2057919FD9@charter.net> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Phil, I wish I could help you. I've been using EchoLoop for over a year now and am perfectly = comfortable controlling every aspect of it via MIDI. But I don't use Abelton Live, so that kinda takes me out of the picture. I just use MaxMSP - which is extremely flexible is setting up ways to = control things. I hope someone pipes up soon to help you. Be patient, Ted On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Hey loopers, >=20 > Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me out here? >=20 > Running Echoloop VST inside Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG. >=20 > Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but = only when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command = the LG is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. = Fine, BUT that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the UI. >=20 > Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to get the VST to = respond to direct MIDI. >=20 > There is likely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am = not sure what it means really: >=20 > For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly = different since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only = the real buttons have a parameter. Power user want them all: > - 8 real buttons > - 34 virtual buttons > - 4 knobs > - 25 menu items >=20 > I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands = via channel 2 from LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the = MIDI prefs. In any case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST = does not respond (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :) >=20 > What am I missing here? >=20 > Many thanks in advance. >=20 > Phil :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 15:28:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1847B183455; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.145.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.145.85; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.145.85 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uLeNgA93KFEemJusbdF66X6QD5tGGypjqEhoU0kSCFE=; b=C1nRZRaep435cC6ypYUasy6hpgWHj4gNBg3Rg/iWTnDJcgfKlThbA6298WGYu981mD 5pOx2fZI4ovuGRMFUdZp7R0fFF5+pBylyw05h1ZHOSgMaAPpr11YxzpBN5TZDj9jnsqw Oj6i0NWrSJkbmfk3WdiQ0tapHcTMPi1RnYHtQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <48DEAE49-C824-4FD3-9638-2E2057919FD9@charter.net> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <48DEAE49-C824-4FD3-9638-2E2057919FD9@charter.net> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:28:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Are you using Live 8? I can send you a configured set. On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Ted Killian wrote= : > Phil, > > I wish I could help you. > > I've been using EchoLoop for over a year now and am perfectly comfortable= controlling every aspect of it via MIDI. > > But I don't use Abelton Live, so that kinda takes me out of the picture. > > I just use MaxMSP - which is extremely flexible is setting up ways to con= trol things. > > I hope someone pipes up soon to help you. > > Be patient, > > Ted > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > >> Hey loopers, >> >> Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me out =A0here? >> >> Running Echoloop VST inside Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG. >> >> Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but o= nly when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command the L= G is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. Fine, BUT= that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the UI. >> >> Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to get the VST to res= pond to direct MIDI. >> >> There is likely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am not = sure what it means really: >> >> For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly different= since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only the real bu= ttons have a parameter. Power user want them all: >> - 8 real buttons >> - 34 virtual buttons >> - 4 knobs >> - 25 menu items >> >> I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands via= channel 2 from LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the MIDI pr= efs. In any case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST does not r= espond (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :) >> >> What am I missing here? >> >> Many thanks in advance. >> >> Phil :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 15:28:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6588183465; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.216.134.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.134.5; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.216.134.5 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9MgPGghiSL2Gl7xSca6iKhzDKhBPQ1Sf0LrnfrGrcb8=; b=fsnmO6JF4AEr5437RCEmVCYV028AyR9TpHaRfFHuQ3Vkk9wNzdTTeZ663+diivm2v4 dQCOvwpE+OKHTzVZpGsjf0tmN7v93RQhyFwT3nkn0C6IrQcjk2VOMh1J6ryBfE/eYfM8 DwBCf/LBH1BCPYtfOEYBn0NAvAbk+EXEHLEBs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <48DEAE49-C824-4FD3-9638-2E2057919FD9@charter.net> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <48DEAE49-C824-4FD3-9638-2E2057919FD9@charter.net> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:28:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Phil, try not taking the round-trip to first assign the Echoloop plugin's parmeters to Live's system and then assigning Live's system to your external physical control gear. Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and feed it directly from your external MIDI control gear. That's what the Echoloop is designed for. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Ted Killian wrote= : > Phil, > > I wish I could help you. > > I've been using EchoLoop for over a year now and am perfectly comfortable= controlling every aspect of it via MIDI. > > But I don't use Abelton Live, so that kinda takes me out of the picture. > > I just use MaxMSP - which is extremely flexible is setting up ways to con= trol things. > > I hope someone pipes up soon to help you. > > Be patient, > > Ted > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > >> Hey loopers, >> >> Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me out =C2=A0here? >> >> Running Echoloop VST inside Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG. >> >> Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but o= nly when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command the L= G is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. Fine, BUT= that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the UI. >> >> Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to get the VST to res= pond to direct MIDI. >> >> There is likely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am not = sure what it means really: >> >> For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly different= since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only the real bu= ttons have a parameter. Power user want them all: >> - 8 real buttons >> - 34 virtual buttons >> - 4 knobs >> - 25 menu items >> >> I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands via= channel 2 from LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the MIDI pr= efs. In any case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST does not r= espond (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :) >> >> What am I missing here? >> >> Many thanks in advance. >> >> Phil :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 15:32:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396DD18345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.151.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.151.3; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.151.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JQuBmuIxatKoOE69OisI/tvmRqihQSlCZTH3OpW/cCM=; b=mlYlg3DpbJy9zkJ4Fzib8TVHTVpbmxkjToP/zKfUgvTKircdnbUtazElbTWJuP08ce y/sxwt6YBOQF7Xp6YgQCAoep5PLfh9O5eg3rCBFz1HxkUmhodr+VFVDmZhcPEjIcHQSk U3uYSfAdwR8BJUAX00iESVdvD75uAaO/I0kyw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <48DEAE49-C824-4FD3-9638-2E2057919FD9@charter.net> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:32:31 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Make sure your MIDI note numbers are correct, and route your MIDI directly to the audio track containing the instance of Echoloop VST - You can do this with a MIDI track in Live. (cf. Voit; http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS= .zip) Ricky On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Phil, try not taking the round-trip to first assign the Echoloop > plugin's parmeters to Live's system and then assigning Live's system > to your external physical control gear. Instead you could set up a > direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and feed it directly from your > external MIDI control gear. That's what the Echoloop is designed for. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Ted Killian wro= te: >> Phil, >> >> I wish I could help you. >> >> I've been using EchoLoop for over a year now and am perfectly comfortabl= e controlling every aspect of it via MIDI. >> >> But I don't use Abelton Live, so that kinda takes me out of the picture. >> >> I just use MaxMSP - which is extremely flexible is setting up ways to co= ntrol things. >> >> I hope someone pipes up soon to help you. >> >> Be patient, >> >> Ted >> >> On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >> >>> Hey loopers, >>> >>> Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me out =A0here? >>> >>> Running Echoloop VST inside Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG. >>> >>> Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but = only when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command the = LG is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. Fine, BU= T that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the UI. >>> >>> Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to get the VST to re= spond to direct MIDI. >>> >>> There is likely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am not= sure what it means really: >>> >>> For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly differen= t since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only the real b= uttons have a parameter. Power user want them all: >>> - 8 real buttons >>> - 34 virtual buttons >>> - 4 knobs >>> - 25 menu items >>> >>> I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands vi= a channel 2 from LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the MIDI p= refs. In any case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST does not = respond (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :) >>> >>> What am I missing here? >>> >>> Many thanks in advance. >>> >>> Phil :) >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 16:02:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B4CA183460; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.42.176.200 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.42.176.200; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.42.176.200 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=A2y6n/eg/pYOWFzyoS3qblZFhZ0as7EpwyjCPop9BCU=; b=XIOhZmC+7TVoQtYlyd0Q4CZmB6nGX9M7mNLYI3LEA0aavFnnexXTTdl/BXoIxAesEw V58Xx56MrXpGH14Kk2PNnQxlQGBCeY+0cqvNQN1dLIXEbmtTs3g1EaCWoQWRPuLPtXJm qwyI/B95PdacYCS3Cx8uOruvTQnEgnRfpyfOo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1D624E76-0C88-405F-9E54-2E879F0B5184@mac.com> References: <1D624E76-0C88-405F-9E54-2E879F0B5184@mac.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:02:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e84fc4551c404ba0859e4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:02:07 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e84fc4551c404ba0859e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did live gigs with this artist, Petri Sepp=E4, he draw with ink - real ink from a bottle with suitable pen to it - so there was this sense of danger in the air. :-D This was then projected live on a screen behind us. I reacted to his drawing and vice versa. In one seminar that was about mixing audio with visual, pariticipants told us it was almost hypnotical to watch this combination of hand-made art and sound. So what I'm saying, I like the idea of visualising sound - but I like when it is done in old-fashion, with manual live interaction, not with software turning audio into graphics= . That kind of things really add something to but its really heavy on the performers, playing 20 cover songs in a cover band just doesnt have that alertness and dedication that live improvisation has :-D -Petri- 2012/2/28 Daniel Thomas > Kay'lon -- you launch a lot of good threads man! > > Some ideas that do not involve being an instrumentalist- > > 1) Be the performer. Dress for the gig. Pump up the shtick -- get into > the character of PERFORMER and deliver it with command presence. > > 2) Discipline your looping practice with hooky parts constructed in > controlled workflows that construct terrace dynamics (layering and dubbin= g > out of voices) and harmonic tension and release, al beit, improvisational= y. > Practice practice practice. :) > > 3) Add a visual element-- clothes, lights, video effects, or a fried > chicken bucket on your head (been done) > > 4) Add an audience participation element. It can be as simple as break > down where you invite the audience to clap. Or a more complex solution-= -I > once created a show of house like electronica for a festival in Quebec > where the audience participated in the creation of the music. I used a > blue tooth based wireless midi controller system that received a variety = of > CV type inputs. Tempo could be governed by an audience member riding an > exercise bike (Hilarious). . A tennis racket played a variety of ambien= t > percolating pad sounds as an audience member bounced a tennis ball on it. > Rez Filters and other sweepy effects were controlled by 3d vector > sensitive motion devices that audience members could swing over their hea= ds > like a lasso, in time with the music. And, the grand feature, a big 3 fo= ot > diameter inflated vinyl ball was thrown into the audience -- each time it > was hit, the groove would change or, a sampled drum fill would fire-- Th= is > also triggered light effects on the stage. Thrilling to see the audience > figuring it out that the ball was controlling performance events. > > 5) Bring a guest performer from the visual art scene. A dancer -- A loop= y > cam performer -- ?? > > > Daniel > > > > > > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:40 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instrument= s > partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live > looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as though my > stuff will get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored > during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? > > > --=20 Petri --90e6ba6e84fc4551c404ba0859e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did live gigs with this artist, Petri Sepp=E4,
he draw with ink - real= ink from a bottle with suitable pen to it - so there was this
sense of = danger in the air. :-D

This was then projected live on a screen behi= nd us. I reacted to his drawing and vice versa.
In one seminar that was about mixing audio with visual, pariticipants told = us
it was almost hypnotical to watch this combination of hand-made art a= nd sound.
So what I'm saying, I like the idea of visualising sound -= but I like when it is done in old-fashion,
with manual live interaction, not with software turning audio into graphics= .

That kind of things really add something to but its really heavy o= n the performers,
playing 20 cover songs in a cover band just doesnt hav= e that alertness and dedication
that live improvisation has :-D

-Petri-

2012/2/28 Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
Kay'lon -- =A0you launch a lot= of good threads man!

Some ideas that do not invol= ve being an instrumentalist-
=A0=A0
1) =A0Be the perfor= mer. =A0Dress for the gig. =A0Pump up the shtick -- get into the character = of PERFORMER and deliver it with command presence. =A0=A0

2)=A0Discipline your looping practice with hooky parts const= ructed in controlled workflows that construct terrace dynamics (layering an= d dubbing out of voices) and harmonic tension and release, al beit, improvi= sationaly. =A0Practice practice practice. :) =A0 =A0

3)=A0Add a visual element-- clothes, lights, video effects, o= r a fried chicken bucket on your head (been done)

=
4) Add an audience participation element. =A0It can be as simple = as break down where you invite the audience to clap. =A0 Or a more complex = solution--I once created a show of house like electronica for a festival in= Quebec where the audience participated in the creation of the music. =A0I = used a blue tooth based wireless midi controller system that received a var= iety of CV type inputs. =A0Tempo could be governed by an audience member ri= ding an exercise bike (Hilarious). =A0. =A0A tennis racket played a variety= of ambient percolating pad sounds as an audience member bounced a tennis b= all on it. =A0=A0Rez Filters and other sweepy effects were controlled by = =A03d vector sensitive motion devices that audience members could swing ove= r their heads like a lasso, in time with the music. =A0And, the grand featu= re, a big 3 foot diameter inflated vinyl ball was thrown into the audience = -- each time it was hit, the groove would change or, =A0a sampled drum fill= would fire-- This also triggered light effects on the stage. =A0Thrilling = to see the audience figuring it out that the ball was controlling performan= ce events.

5) Bring a guest performer from the visual art scene. = =A0A dancer -- A loopy cam performer =A0-- =A0??


Daniel=A0
=A0




On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:40 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
<= br>

My whole live loop setup is labtop midi bas= ed. No live acustic instruments partially due to my DAW's inability acc= ept audio input. I make live looping- based electronic music, at least try = lol. I feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a perform= ance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fres= h?





--
Petri


--90e6ba6e84fc4551c404ba0859e4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 16:15:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A79018345A; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.14.230 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.14.230; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.14.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=s+PZpIRaiVA7M+431ijbcB9PCjpsY0JO4W5FqA0jW/s=; b=B3F7vnaYMyumS4/8lQNdoN3L+vjLAb6LHlmRoTFzhA0AT9Iq6s5E3F8qAICr5mnlc6 l+b8g4Ro7uvPY8WV3EGzQEHS0EjehrnxU1vc0JFjdh3AnPBjkjQ9pnq22odMt+EqEaaj 6FG80JIxIsbWwrB8apYAUEw9I6oWQTEJOVAxA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1D624E76-0C88-405F-9E54-2E879F0B5184@mac.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:15:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138ce167476f04ba0887a1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:15:02 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138ce167476f04ba0887a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How did you guys project it on the screen? On Feb 28, 2012 8:02 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" wrote: > I did live gigs with this artist, Petri Sepp=E4, > he draw with ink - real ink from a bottle with suitable pen to it - so > there was this > sense of danger in the air. :-D > > This was then projected live on a screen behind us. I reacted to his > drawing and vice versa. > In one seminar that was about mixing audio with visual, pariticipants tol= d > us > it was almost hypnotical to watch this combination of hand-made art and > sound. > So what I'm saying, I like the idea of visualising sound - but I like whe= n > it is done in old-fashion, > with manual live interaction, not with software turning audio into > graphics. > > That kind of things really add something to but its really heavy on the > performers, > playing 20 cover songs in a cover band just doesnt have that alertness an= d > dedication > that live improvisation has :-D > > -Petri- > > 2012/2/28 Daniel Thomas > >> Kay'lon -- you launch a lot of good threads man! >> >> Some ideas that do not involve being an instrumentalist- >> >> 1) Be the performer. Dress for the gig. Pump up the shtick -- get int= o >> the character of PERFORMER and deliver it with command presence. >> >> 2) Discipline your looping practice with hooky parts constructed in >> controlled workflows that construct terrace dynamics (layering and dubbi= ng >> out of voices) and harmonic tension and release, al beit, improvisationa= ly. >> Practice practice practice. :) >> >> 3) Add a visual element-- clothes, lights, video effects, or a fried >> chicken bucket on your head (been done) >> >> 4) Add an audience participation element. It can be as simple as break >> down where you invite the audience to clap. Or a more complex solution= --I >> once created a show of house like electronica for a festival in Quebec >> where the audience participated in the creation of the music. I used a >> blue tooth based wireless midi controller system that received a variety= of >> CV type inputs. Tempo could be governed by an audience member riding an >> exercise bike (Hilarious). . A tennis racket played a variety of ambie= nt >> percolating pad sounds as an audience member bounced a tennis ball on it= . >> Rez Filters and other sweepy effects were controlled by 3d vector >> sensitive motion devices that audience members could swing over their he= ads >> like a lasso, in time with the music. And, the grand feature, a big 3 f= oot >> diameter inflated vinyl ball was thrown into the audience -- each time i= t >> was hit, the groove would change or, a sampled drum fill would fire-- T= his >> also triggered light effects on the stage. Thrilling to see the audienc= e >> figuring it out that the ball was controlling performance events. >> >> 5) Bring a guest performer from the visual art scene. A dancer -- A >> loopy cam performer -- ?? >> >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:40 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >> My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic >> instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I ma= ke >> live looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as though= my >> stuff will get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bore= d >> during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? >> >> >> > > > -- > Petri > > > --f46d04138ce167476f04ba0887a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How did you guys project it on the screen?

On Feb 28, 2012 8:02 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&qu= ot; <kollegavalmentaja@gm= ail.com> wrote:
I did live gigs with this artist, Petri Sepp=E4,
he draw with ink - real= ink from a bottle with suitable pen to it - so there was this
sense of = danger in the air. :-D

This was then projected live on a screen behi= nd us. I reacted to his drawing and vice versa.
In one seminar that was about mixing audio with visual, pariticipants told = us
it was almost hypnotical to watch this combination of hand-made art a= nd sound.
So what I'm saying, I like the idea of visualising sound -= but I like when it is done in old-fashion,
with manual live interaction, not with software turning audio into graphics= .

That kind of things really add something to but its really heavy o= n the performers,
playing 20 cover songs in a cover band just doesnt hav= e that alertness and dedication
that live improvisation has :-D

-Petri-

2012/2/28 Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
Kay'lon -- =A0you launch a lot= of good threads man!

Some ideas that do not invol= ve being an instrumentalist-
=A0=A0
1) =A0Be the perfor= mer. =A0Dress for the gig. =A0Pump up the shtick -- get into the character = of PERFORMER and deliver it with command presence. =A0=A0

2)=A0Discipline your looping practice with hooky parts const= ructed in controlled workflows that construct terrace dynamics (layering an= d dubbing out of voices) and harmonic tension and release, al beit, improvi= sationaly. =A0Practice practice practice. :) =A0 =A0

3)=A0Add a visual element-- clothes, lights, video effects, o= r a fried chicken bucket on your head (been done)

=
4) Add an audience participation element. =A0It can be as simple = as break down where you invite the audience to clap. =A0 Or a more complex = solution--I once created a show of house like electronica for a festival in= Quebec where the audience participated in the creation of the music. =A0I = used a blue tooth based wireless midi controller system that received a var= iety of CV type inputs. =A0Tempo could be governed by an audience member ri= ding an exercise bike (Hilarious). =A0. =A0A tennis racket played a variety= of ambient percolating pad sounds as an audience member bounced a tennis b= all on it. =A0=A0Rez Filters and other sweepy effects were controlled by = =A03d vector sensitive motion devices that audience members could swing ove= r their heads like a lasso, in time with the music. =A0And, the grand featu= re, a big 3 foot diameter inflated vinyl ball was thrown into the audience = -- each time it was hit, the groove would change or, =A0a sampled drum fill= would fire-- This also triggered light effects on the stage. =A0Thrilling = to see the audience figuring it out that the ball was controlling performan= ce events.

5) Bring a guest performer from the visual art scene. = =A0A dancer -- A loopy cam performer =A0-- =A0??


Daniel=A0
=A0




On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:40 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
<= br>

My whole live loop setup is labtop midi bas= ed. No live acustic instruments partially due to my DAW's inability acc= ept audio input. I make live looping- based electronic music, at least try = lol. I feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a perform= ance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fres= h?





--
Petri


--f46d04138ce167476f04ba0887a1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 16:16:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78D8F183463; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.156.225 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.156.225; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.156.225 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=E2bnx94zHbkbhz4i7X+RMij0iARaJAvsrW1G7RDarOI=; b=dzRZQns+Bd8mWwqhp91bQDxHySOjkZuoioy9CtNctrZTnpXLUFsm82/YsQMy/4izE9 9d8Zmhd4hs5nBGJxqYsE5cDEyIbs88vUfP79s043TzD/d3wcGrff9R++H3/bVaoPTN/Z 4DrdkkjMyOOOuiWj76KKc7HTPbWkrzxZCNrd4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <85EE9E9B-0CC0-46B6-B55C-C587779DA30D@gmail.com> <5328FC94-E48C-405E-A6DB-2A57FAE742B8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:16:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Music or bad habits ruining it for me. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23592567398e04ba088e45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:16:59 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f23592567398e04ba088e45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per - that was heavy anecdote for a die-hard Bowie-fan like me! :-D geeezzz! 2012/2/23 Per Boysen > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: > > My problem is that everything interests me and I tend to go on very > long tangents > > researching and experimenting. To control this I wrote a mission > statement for myself, > > just like they do in the corporate world. > > > Being able to manage your time to produce art and still remain a human > being > > is hard work, but it's worth it... > > Let me fly in a short comment here: This makes me think about the > example David Bowie. I had the pleasure to meet his old companion Mick > Ronson as he lived his last years here in Sweden and I also read and > watched several interviews with Iggy Pop where he talks about "the > difference between David Bowie and ordinary men" and I'm under the > impression that Bowie has acquired the ability to turn off whatever > thoughts not needed for the actual working situation. That's why he > can "write lyrics for a song during a taxi ride", for example. The > example from the corporate world is well chosen too, because the > conflict is obvious there: if a CEO can't protect his creative time to > keep it "quality time" in order to deliver the optimal decisions for > optimizing the work of all staff his failure will show pretty soon in > the reports. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- Petri --e89a8f23592567398e04ba088e45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per - that was heavy anecdote for a die-hard Bowie-fan like me!

:-D = geeezzz!

2012/2/23 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com= >
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:= 11 PM, Sylvain Poitras
<sylvain.trombone@gmail.co= m> wrote:
> =A0My problem is that everything interests me and I tend to go on very= long tangents
> researching and experimenting. =A0To control this I wrote a mission st= atement for myself,
> just like they do in the corporate world.

> Being able to manage your time to produce art = and still remain a human being
> is hard work, but it's worth it...

Let me fly in a short comment here: This makes me think about the
example David Bowie. I had the pleasure to meet his old companion Mick
Ronson as he lived his last years here in Sweden and I also read and
watched several interviews with Iggy Pop where he talks about "the
difference between David Bowie and ordinary men" and I'm under the=
impression that Bowie has acquired the ability to turn off whatever
thoughts not needed for the actual working situation. That's why he
can "write lyrics for a song during a taxi ride", for example. Th= e
example from the corporate world is well chosen too, because the
conflict is obvious there: if a CEO can't protect his creative time to<= br> keep it "quality time" in order to deliver the optimal decisions = for
optimizing the work of all staff his failure will show pretty soon in
the reports.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
Petri
<= br>
--e89a8f23592567398e04ba088e45-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 16:19:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F181183460; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.222.135 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.222.135; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.222.135 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7I7jCmT7bdEKBGrwI/rOFm1KEXLsQ4KBNCrcfOvX29Y=; b=V+PfUfdnPTFE8BlOPxwQ5vbCMaFKFaRXgUtYVoOZ3drXwzmtGQw95UtVK63MwPDwpq SRUrNyrkDFdM8TxOoPJlqrAa1Yi7sGZthTM3guxrVjmfrMdVCQsjSQSwfBQHb/GQ6nIN xdAR+mt6UKMGlK4ZML57Kpe5y4LaNzNbyOms8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1D624E76-0C88-405F-9E54-2E879F0B5184@mac.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:19:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b9bab37af04ba08983a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:19:51 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340b9bab37af04ba08983a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just very basicly - a video camera (like in document cameras) over the drawing surface and that connected to video projector. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dl2LoLZy5BMw Here we had to improvise cause this space had this huge desk in the front where "stage" should have been 2012/2/28 kay'lon rushing > How did you guys project it on the screen? > On Feb 28, 2012 8:02 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" > wrote: > >> I did live gigs with this artist, Petri Sepp=E4, >> he draw with ink - real ink from a bottle with suitable pen to it - so >> there was this >> sense of danger in the air. :-D >> >> This was then projected live on a screen behind us. I reacted to his >> drawing and vice versa. >> In one seminar that was about mixing audio with visual, pariticipants >> told us >> it was almost hypnotical to watch this combination of hand-made art and >> sound. >> So what I'm saying, I like the idea of visualising sound - but I like >> when it is done in old-fashion, >> with manual live interaction, not with software turning audio into >> graphics. >> >> That kind of things really add something to but its really heavy on the >> performers, >> playing 20 cover songs in a cover band just doesnt have that alertness >> and dedication >> that live improvisation has :-D >> >> -Petri- >> >> 2012/2/28 Daniel Thomas >> >>> Kay'lon -- you launch a lot of good threads man! >>> >>> Some ideas that do not involve being an instrumentalist- >>> >>> 1) Be the performer. Dress for the gig. Pump up the shtick -- get >>> into the character of PERFORMER and deliver it with command presence. >>> >>> 2) Discipline your looping practice with hooky parts constructed in >>> controlled workflows that construct terrace dynamics (layering and dubb= ing >>> out of voices) and harmonic tension and release, al beit, improvisation= aly. >>> Practice practice practice. :) >>> >>> 3) Add a visual element-- clothes, lights, video effects, or a fried >>> chicken bucket on your head (been done) >>> >>> 4) Add an audience participation element. It can be as simple as break >>> down where you invite the audience to clap. Or a more complex solutio= n--I >>> once created a show of house like electronica for a festival in Quebec >>> where the audience participated in the creation of the music. I used a >>> blue tooth based wireless midi controller system that received a variet= y of >>> CV type inputs. Tempo could be governed by an audience member riding a= n >>> exercise bike (Hilarious). . A tennis racket played a variety of ambi= ent >>> percolating pad sounds as an audience member bounced a tennis ball on i= t. >>> Rez Filters and other sweepy effects were controlled by 3d vector >>> sensitive motion devices that audience members could swing over their h= eads >>> like a lasso, in time with the music. And, the grand feature, a big 3 = foot >>> diameter inflated vinyl ball was thrown into the audience -- each time = it >>> was hit, the groove would change or, a sampled drum fill would fire-- = This >>> also triggered light effects on the stage. Thrilling to see the audien= ce >>> figuring it out that the ball was controlling performance events. >>> >>> 5) Bring a guest performer from the visual art scene. A dancer -- A >>> loopy cam performer -- ?? >>> >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:40 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >>> >>> My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic >>> instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I m= ake >>> live looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as thoug= h my >>> stuff will get boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bor= ed >>> during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Petri >> >> >> --=20 Petri --14dae9340b9bab37af04ba08983a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just very basicly - a video camera (like in document cameras) over the draw= ing surface
and that connected to video projector.=A0

http://www.youtube.com/watch= ?v=3Dl2LoLZy5BMw

Here we had to improvise cause this space had this huge desk in the fro= nt
where "stage" should have been

2012/2/28 kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>

How did you guys project it on the screen= ?

On Feb 28, 2012 8:02 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&qu= ot; <ko= llegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
I did live gigs with this artist, Petri Sepp=E4,
he draw with ink - real= ink from a bottle with suitable pen to it - so there was this
sense of = danger in the air. :-D

This was then projected live on a screen behi= nd us. I reacted to his drawing and vice versa.
In one seminar that was about mixing audio with visual, pariticipants told = us
it was almost hypnotical to watch this combination of hand-made art a= nd sound.
So what I'm saying, I like the idea of visualising sound -= but I like when it is done in old-fashion,
with manual live interaction, not with software turning audio into graphics= .

That kind of things really add something to but its really heavy o= n the performers,
playing 20 cover songs in a cover band just doesnt hav= e that alertness and dedication
that live improvisation has :-D

-Petri-

2012/2/28 Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
Kay'lon -- =A0you launch a lot= of good threads man!

Some ideas that do not invol= ve being an instrumentalist-
=A0=A0
1) =A0Be the perfor= mer. =A0Dress for the gig. =A0Pump up the shtick -- get into the character = of PERFORMER and deliver it with command presence. =A0=A0

2)=A0Discipline your looping practice with hooky parts const= ructed in controlled workflows that construct terrace dynamics (layering an= d dubbing out of voices) and harmonic tension and release, al beit, improvi= sationaly. =A0Practice practice practice. :) =A0 =A0

3)=A0Add a visual element-- clothes, lights, video effects, o= r a fried chicken bucket on your head (been done)

=
4) Add an audience participation element. =A0It can be as simple = as break down where you invite the audience to clap. =A0 Or a more complex = solution--I once created a show of house like electronica for a festival in= Quebec where the audience participated in the creation of the music. =A0I = used a blue tooth based wireless midi controller system that received a var= iety of CV type inputs. =A0Tempo could be governed by an audience member ri= ding an exercise bike (Hilarious). =A0. =A0A tennis racket played a variety= of ambient percolating pad sounds as an audience member bounced a tennis b= all on it. =A0=A0Rez Filters and other sweepy effects were controlled by = =A03d vector sensitive motion devices that audience members could swing ove= r their heads like a lasso, in time with the music. =A0And, the grand featu= re, a big 3 foot diameter inflated vinyl ball was thrown into the audience = -- each time it was hit, the groove would change or, =A0a sampled drum fill= would fire-- This also triggered light effects on the stage. =A0Thrilling = to see the audience figuring it out that the ball was controlling performan= ce events.

5) Bring a guest performer from the visual art scene. = =A0A dancer -- A loopy cam performer =A0-- =A0??


Daniel=A0
=A0




On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:40 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
<= br>

My whole live loop setup is labtop midi bas= ed. No live acustic instruments partially due to my DAW's inability acc= ept audio input. I make live looping- based electronic music, at least try = lol. I feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a perform= ance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips to keep it fres= h?





--
Petri





--
Petri
<= br>
--14dae9340b9bab37af04ba08983a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 16:21:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74F39183478; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.178.38 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.178.38; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.178.38 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qcxBzFK4R29C9acBcdpXZclmWE4kyHvvColIZ7w1HWI=; b=eDInYrwPZ7rGmNJcb4U1Pv3b4SYjsxPS/UUjlauhbBvJzQ0x9jwbj0mv9Hw7xFG0Sp rZB14BtPNTcJTuywyqPrHt7m7/uDVAPy/5QWTGrv81sTow+Ar6pafbra7oP3PGcnHRL2 UQT7WLL4LfYScn3ZUB9Uz8DLzAuHfQLVQKtcc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1D624E76-0C88-405F-9E54-2E879F0B5184@mac.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:21:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f646f9dc3798204ba089f23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:21:50 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f646f9dc3798204ba089f23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://qomo.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=81 of course you can buy one those document cameras --e89a8f646f9dc3798204ba089f23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://qomo.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=81

of course you can buy one those document cameras
--e89a8f646f9dc3798204ba089f23-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 16:22:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585E718348D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.178.38 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.178.38; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.178.38 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rS7q5LZgT8wjnNLxKXf8mF1R8Q+qNNn9m1owtVYONrs=; b=K6x5+5Mp4ZvTUxOdQPeUPhLZz4uOZU4NJxRqohAK2wi+QyFUCJwUZ4x4SgV4N/hRtg nlXkI1onfs8puaTv9ddfwGm9QbjNtmxqVEjRhimmJsMvkru5jzDko5dfpmbb3AI5FcKg AlbRWzNZhO66HKER6VnP48xaqNm1Tq0iP8reo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1D624E76-0C88-405F-9E54-2E879F0B5184@mac.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:22:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f646f9df69b3a04ba08a244 Resent-Message-ID: <2Sb7aD.A.OBD.U9PTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:22:44 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f646f9df69b3a04ba08a244 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 but I wouldnt start messing with ink over those cameras surfaces :-D --e89a8f646f9df69b3a04ba08a244 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 but I wouldnt start messing with ink over those cameras surfaces :-D
--e89a8f646f9df69b3a04ba08a244-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 16:37:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 726AC18345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=helpwantedproductions.com; b=fGGTtnzJ/CkTsssi1F6WxxA0Efh3Oug27nvomB8GeWEjBRs7n+NfArEtqZAnY RK89H/y54koUUjRhMSlNSzLhms+MViMtMjbVcWPneLhRjMmaPTD1j0YEGAge3hKn fuqGktHXUO+TrJvTFTyKMo7+6zPBirIBgbrgv3wCeB2oio= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=NGQcY mtgNfSM8oaXR6RQsnR2T24=; b=L43vJvJYEZ4oywCvmt+gWOdlW/VGTMlggveLn 4NM6Ivg+3kXH90KlQyORPUfqLeQzl593dkrsC0TJG99/+WarZc/PLSs9076fXTEX rqAWEOwwEe28zce7UOlruxAajFw2mempkjdpB0J8n3a+7aOtNcyYCULgdg9KYvdD mVcvj8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:37:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:37:10 +0000 (UTC) I agree with the "Do not become bored yourself" comment but have to point out you have chosen to play for people live on stage in front of an audience. If the best you can do is stand there looking at your screen an= d moving a finger dressed like a pizza delivery kid ... well, you should wait until you do can better. Kraftwerk can get away with that because they are Gods and clearly it's part of their oeurve (And they have a cool stage and synced video). We're NOT kraftwerk kids :) Engaging an audience can be something as simple as looking at them, sayin= g something before you start or, God forbid, during your set. Make eye contact, throw things out in the crowd, leave your laptop and do a nunchuck dance (been done before too :) ) The gimmicks mentioned like having wacky clothes, dancers, etc all are good ideas but like the music itself they're no substitute for a personality that makes someone watching feel you are there to DO somethin= g rather than stand and wait for your track to wind down. As Ann Landers used to say: Look INTERESTED and people will find you interesting. A good example of live laptop/looping with a mesmerizing performer is the Thomas Dolby performances from a few years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJWitntwPjM4&feature=3Drelmfu Now he has= the benefit of singing (something very human and engaging) but watch how he "plays" and builds up the tracks live. He also is quite congenial to the crowd. Imagine that! On a tangential note I once attended a laptop gig with 4-5 performers. Rather than having each "band" play their set the promoter set up a looon= g card table and the front of the stage and all the performers set up at th= e same time in a line. They then went on stage and the concert began with one guy playing his song. When that was over (or winding down) the second started up and they did this 'round-robin" type show where every song was the next in line until it looped back to the first guy. Brilliant idea. A= s the audience you stood there wondering what the next guy was going to do to different or to top the previous or anticipating the one you really coming up again. It also showed that there is no such thing as "laptop music", just "music". Each act was different (although they all leaned toward glitch/beat stuff) so the crowd could see some of the individual personality of each performer - something that rarely comes across when doing all laptop or pre-recorded sets. Finally just because your DAW doesn"t allow you to mix in audio doesn't mean you can't play an instrument or do something else live over top of it. They DO have mixers and a PA at these live gigs don't they? Just sayin :) --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 17:26:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1FDC183451; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3030 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:26:50 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <43CE49DB-FD53-4684-8558-086D5C16E842@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: Richard Lainhart memorial Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:36:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:26:50 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:24 AM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Some of you may know of Richard Lainhart (http://oldtownmedia.com) > who passed away in December. Correction Dept.- http://www.otownmedia.com/he/he.html :-) Sounds like he was a pretty amazing guy. I was not aware of him, previously. Thanx for the alert, even on a sad note. His work still lives on... Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > There is a memorial service taking place this Sunday Mar 4 at 3pm > at Roulette in Brooklyn. > > In addition to his dedication to synthesis and electronic music > Richard was also a filmmaker. One film of his History of the > Future will be shown. There will be a live improv orchestra > organized by Lucio Menegon, which I'm pleased to be part of, > providing a sound score for this work. > > The service is open to the public and should you be in the area > please consider coming to remember the life and work of Richard. > > Jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 17:34:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29117183455; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3606 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:34:33 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: In-reply-to: References: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:34:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Work with other musicians -- preferably some who play acoustic instruments. At 10:40 PM -0800 2/27/12, kay'lon rushing wrote: >My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic >instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. >I make live looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I >feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a >performance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips >to keep it fresh? -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 17:36:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D78E18345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.216.131.29 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.131.29; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.216.131.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/TTrLZKMtsU8onDr9msjyn6XS0MiBYGtwhK1TH5gBEs=; b=kF2rMvkme78cL7KgegaUdwWcbyMe/s+85iMzcReT+V8zM+KFPanS09ctJ6bYST1rr9 L5Vz888qYAeR8y7321Lhv75Nzp/OKoW9MY9CdroBo+2wcM7zvE3PuPK0bMAkeZKr/+j3 +E1pwv+UZgm9CQCtFttdQYPfofKhr89Cz6BWw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:36:04 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d58f6f4f3f1704ba09a979 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:36:05 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d58f6f4f3f1704ba09a979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think ive mislead you guys. my setup involves an axiom keyboard and a korg padkontrol controlling my laptop. I don't know how to play anything but piano so that greatly limits my ability to play a live acoustic instrument. I feel like when I perform on stage I'm kind of separated and try to show off more than be involving. On Feb 28, 2012 8:37 AM, wrote: > I agree with the "Do not become bored yourself" comment but have to point > out you have chosen to play for people live on stage in front of an > audience. If the best you can do is stand there looking at your screen and > moving a finger dressed like a pizza delivery kid ... well, you should > wait until you do can better. Kraftwerk can get away with that because > they are Gods and clearly it's part of their oeurve (And they have a cool > stage and synced video). We're NOT kraftwerk kids :) > > Engaging an audience can be something as simple as looking at them, saying > something before you start or, God forbid, during your set. Make eye > contact, throw things out in the crowd, leave your laptop and do a > nunchuck dance (been done before too :) ) > > The gimmicks mentioned like having wacky clothes, dancers, etc all are > good ideas but like the music itself they're no substitute for a > personality that makes someone watching feel you are there to DO something > rather than stand and wait for your track to wind down. As Ann Landers > used to say: Look INTERESTED and people will find you interesting. > > A good example of live laptop/looping with a mesmerizing performer is the > Thomas Dolby performances from a few years ago: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWitntwPjM4&feature=relmfu Now he has the > benefit of singing (something very human and engaging) but watch how he > "plays" and builds up the tracks live. He also is quite congenial to the > crowd. Imagine that! > > On a tangential note I once attended a laptop gig with 4-5 performers. > Rather than having each "band" play their set the promoter set up a looong > card table and the front of the stage and all the performers set up at the > same time in a line. They then went on stage and the concert began with > one guy playing his song. When that was over (or winding down) the second > started up and they did this 'round-robin" type show where every song was > the next in line until it looped back to the first guy. Brilliant idea. As > the audience you stood there wondering what the next guy was going to do > to different or to top the previous or anticipating the one you really > coming up again. > > It also showed that there is no such thing as "laptop music", just > "music". Each act was different (although they all leaned toward > glitch/beat stuff) so the crowd could see some of the individual > personality of each performer - something that rarely comes across when > doing all laptop or pre-recorded sets. > > Finally just because your DAW doesn"t allow you to mix in audio doesn't > mean you can't play an instrument or do something else live over top of > it. They DO have mixers and a PA at these live gigs don't they? > > Just sayin :) > > --------------------------------------- > NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com > DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices > "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" > > Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: > http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ > > > > --0016e6d58f6f4f3f1704ba09a979 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think ive mislead you guys. my setup involves an axiom keyboard and a= korg padkontrol controlling my laptop. I don't know how to play anythi= ng but piano so that greatly limits my ability to play a live acoustic inst= rument. I feel like when I perform on stage I'm kind of separated and t= ry to show off more than be involving.

On Feb 28, 2012 8:37 AM, <legion@helpwantedproductions.com> = wrote:
I agree with the "Do not become bored yourself" comment but have = to point
out you have chosen to play for people live on stage in front of an
audience. If the best you can do is stand there looking at your screen and<= br> moving a finger dressed like a pizza delivery kid ... well, you should
wait until you do can better. Kraftwerk can get away with that because
they are Gods and clearly it's part of their oeurve (And they have a co= ol
stage and synced video). We're NOT kraftwerk kids :)

Engaging an audience can be something as simple as looking at them, saying<= br> something before you start or, God forbid, during your set. Make eye
contact, throw things out in the crowd, leave your laptop and do a
nunchuck dance (been done before too :) )

The gimmicks mentioned like having wacky clothes, dancers, etc all are
good ideas but like the music itself they're no substitute for a
personality that makes someone watching feel you are there to DO something<= br> rather than stand and wait for your track to wind down. As Ann Landers
used to say: =A0Look INTERESTED and people will find you interesting.

A good example of live laptop/looping with a mesmerizing performer is the Thomas Dolby performances from a few years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJWitntwPjM4&featu= re=3Drelmfu =A0Now he has the
benefit of singing (something very human and engaging) but watch how he
"plays" and builds up the tracks live. He also is quite congenial= to the
crowd. Imagine that!

On a tangential note I once attended a laptop gig with 4-5 performers.
Rather than having each "band" play their set the promoter set up= a looong
card table and the front of the stage and all the performers set up at the<= br> same time in a line. They then went on stage and the concert began with
one guy playing his song. When that was over (or winding down) the second started up and they did this 'round-robin" type show where every s= ong was
the next in line until it looped back to the first guy. Brilliant idea. As<= br> =A0the audience you stood there wondering what the next guy was going to do=
to different or to top the previous or anticipating the one you really
coming up again.

It also showed that there is no such thing as "laptop music", jus= t
"music". Each act was different (although they all leaned toward<= br> glitch/beat stuff) so the crowd could see some of the individual
personality of each performer - something that rarely comes across when
doing all laptop or pre-recorded sets.

Finally just because your DAW doesn"t allow you to mix in audio doesn&= #39;t
mean you can't play an instrument or do something else live over top of=
it. They DO have mixers and a PA at these live gigs don't they?

Just sayin :)

=A0 =A0 ---------------------------------------
=A0 =A0 NEW DAED SITE!! =A0- =A0Http://DaedSound.com
=A0DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices
"Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary"

Music and Downloads at the New Online Site:
=A0 =A0htt= p://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/



--0016e6d58f6f4f3f1704ba09a979-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 17:43:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FFC518345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Matteo Giudici In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:43:32 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <287D6D8E-AAE5-421E-AE34-0387B5BB9542@alice.it> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Guys, this forum is a "constant revelation".=20 Thank you! About the matter... I think to a "set" as a destination (or stage) of a journey in which I'm = try to learn, deepen and (finally) share something of life. For me the first thing to do to avoid bore and respect audience is build = an hard meaning in what I'm doing and try to share it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 17:57:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EFDF18345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.50.178.73 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.178.73; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.50.178.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version; 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boundary=Apple-Mail-1--40495333 Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:33:42 -0800 In-Reply-To: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> Message-Id: <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:33:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--40495333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a hell of a time with it too. Got it to mostly work finally but = only once I assigned the correct midi notes AND midi learned them in = Ableton. One or the other did not work.=20 I was supposed to test something else about this but haven't gotten back = to it for some time... won't have time for another week or two but if = you're still having problems after this let me know as I'll be diving = back in soon too.=20 ---Christopher.=20 On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Hey loopers, >=20 > Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me out here? >=20 > Running Echoloop VST inside Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG. >=20 > Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but = only when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command = the LG is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. = Fine, BUT that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the UI. >=20 > Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to get the VST to = respond to direct MIDI. >=20 > There is likely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am = not sure what it means really: >=20 > For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly = different since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only = the real buttons have a parameter. Power user want them all: > - 8 real buttons > - 34 virtual buttons > - 4 knobs > - 25 menu items >=20 > I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands = via channel 2 from LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the = MIDI prefs. In any case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST = does not respond (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :) >=20 > What am I missing here? >=20 > Many thanks in advance. >=20 > Phil :) --Apple-Mail-1--40495333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey = loopers,

Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me = out  here?

Running Echoloop VST inside = Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG.

Having a = knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but only when = using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command the LG is = sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. Fine, BUT = that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the = UI.

Going back to the drawing board, I can find = no way to get the VST to respond to direct = MIDI.

There is likely a clue here in text from = Matthias' manual, but I am not sure what it means = really:

For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), = its slightly different since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same = list. So far only the real buttons have a parameter. Power user want = them all:
- 8 real buttons
- 34 = virtual buttons
- 4 knobs
- 25 = menu items

I have the VST = MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands via channel 2 from = LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the MIDI prefs. In any = case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST does not respond = (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :)

What am I missing here?

Many thanks in advance.

Phil = :)

= --Apple-Mail-1--40495333-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 18:47:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 440F718345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.180.100.33 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.100.33; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.180.100.33 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SjKCxw2lPjwAzaVsm0/9phcsnC67Hbel+DVolQiRpGk=; b=w4SfAFPDycKNyP79+/H9zbvskbXchpnufupRGztOplDSR+Suh4GgEOOr61draRZ74a lJ39MEd9jKf2kdgINJBRSDpR0iCwJnhvHSvVMJX2kdqsynvrFVuSc/GmgnidwKe6amEy fIIstQp58caM84+U3x3VsQ78MxG7qkftAq5FQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:46:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04440266dba79904ba0aa604 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:47:00 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04440266dba79904ba0aa604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks everyone for your assistance :) Ricky, I am indeed using Live 8. I am using the correct MIDI commands, of that I am certain. One thing that occurred to me is that I have Ableton commands coming in on Channel 5, and the Echoloop coming in on Channel 2. Maybe that's bad? Maybe I need to route the Echoloop commands through the same channel as the host? I guess I will try that this evening after working hours=85 *So Ricky, a configured set would be the AWESOME. Please do send? * And Per, regarding this: "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and feed it directly from your external MIDI control gear. " Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clarify? Thanks again to all, you are the wind beneath my wings :D Best, Phil :) On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Christopher Darrow w= rote: > > I had a hell of a time with it too. Got it to mostly work finally but onl= y > once I assigned the correct midi notes AND midi learned them in Ableton. > One or the other did not work. > > I was supposed to test something else about this but haven't gotten back > to it for some time... won't have time for another week or two but if > you're still having problems after this let me know as I'll be diving bac= k > in soon too. > > > ---Christopher. > > > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > > Hey loopers, > > Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me out here? > > Running Echoloop VST inside Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG. > > Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but > only when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command th= e > LG is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. Fine, > BUT that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the UI. > > Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to get the VST to > respond to direct MIDI. > > There is likely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am not > sure what it means really: > > > For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly different > since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only the real > buttons have a parameter. Power user want them all: > - 8 real buttons > - 34 virtual buttons > - 4 knobs > - 25 menu items > > > I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands via > channel 2 from LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the MIDI > prefs. In any case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST does n= ot > respond (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :) > > What am I missing here? > > Many thanks in advance. > > Phil :) > > > --f46d04440266dba79904ba0aa604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks everyone for your assistance :)

Ricky, I am indeed using Live 8.=A0

I am using the correct MIDI commands, of that I am certain.= =A0

One thing that occurred to me is that I have Ableton comman= ds coming in on Channel 5, and the Echoloop coming in on Channel 2. Maybe t= hat's bad? Maybe I need to route the Echoloop commands through the same= channel as the host? I guess I will try that this evening after working ho= urs=85

So Ricky, a configured set would be the AWESOME. Please = do send?=A0

And Per, regarding this:=A0

"Instead you could set up a=A0direct MIDI path into th= e Echoloop and feed it directly from your=A0external MIDI control gear. &qu= ot;

Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can yo= u clarify?

Thanks again to all, you are the wind beneath my wings :D

Best,

Phil :)


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Christopher Darrow <thedarrow@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
I had a hell of a time with it too. Got it to mostly work final= ly but only =A0once I assigned the correct midi notes AND midi learned them= in Ableton. One or the other did not work.=A0

I was supposed to test something else about this but ha= ven't gotten back to it for some time... won't have time for anothe= r week or two but if you're still having problems after this let me kno= w as I'll be diving back in soon too.=A0


---Christopher.=A0



On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Phil Clevenger= wrote:

Hey loopers,

Anyone using the Echolo= op VST maybe help me out =A0here?

Running Echoloop= VST inside Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG.

Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response f= rom the VST but only when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matt= er what command the LG is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the co= ntrol responds. Fine, BUT that limits me to the VST controls that are expos= ed in the UI.

Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to g= et the VST to respond to direct MIDI.

There is lik= ely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am not sure what i= t means really:

For the VST Par= ameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly different since the knobs (= CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only the real buttons have a param= eter. Power user want them all:
- 8 real butt= ons
- 34 virtual buttons
- 4 knobs
- 25 menu items

I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) s= et to 2, and sending commands via channel 2 from LG. I've tried every p= ossible setting off/on in the MIDI prefs. In any case, Ableton is 'seei= ng' the MIDI incoming, but VST does not respond (unless I succumb to Ab= leton MIDI mapping) :)

What am I missing here?

Many thanks in advance.

Phil :)


--f46d04440266dba79904ba0aa604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 19:00:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CA9D183461; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.180.100.33 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.100.33; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.180.100.33 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZeMJug5aewY3vGVyzYqwiAJcyAZWyEAEjLcbsagq5G4=; b=TMa88IRSP711UOE4WgQkpL+lqVUzp/jxHtusPCln85e4HkaniMA+ESTtFzEUUbBVWS JpqSlPdX8RvhSM6CK5hHxPaMFIDiS79tTwfY+tpM+TdqBeJAGolBvLIda41mxtlpw2QN 2rnKWExxYUJFV+j0VZPBLJBpj2l30wX55N+iM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444026682cd2d04ba0ad5f0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:00:03 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444026682cd2d04ba0ad5f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regarding MIDI routing suggestions, and my question to Per, and Ricky... I think what you are suggesting is this: 1. Set up a MIDI track, and use the Midi From selector to hear incoming CCs 2. Use that track's MIDI To selector to route those CC's to the audio track where Echoloop lives Is that correct? Totally had not thought of approaching it that way... if so i will try this first thing this evening :) Best, Phil :) On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Thanks everyone for your assistance :) > > Ricky, I am indeed using Live 8. > > I am using the correct MIDI commands, of that I am certain. > > One thing that occurred to me is that I have Ableton commands coming in o= n > Channel 5, and the Echoloop coming in on Channel 2. Maybe that's bad? May= be > I need to route the Echoloop commands through the same channel as the hos= t? > I guess I will try that this evening after working hours=85 > > *So Ricky, a configured set would be the AWESOME. Please do send? * > > And Per, regarding this: > > "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and feed i= t > directly from your external MIDI control gear. " > > Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clarify? > > Thanks again to all, you are the wind beneath my wings :D > > Best, > > Phil :) > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote: > >> >> I had a hell of a time with it too. Got it to mostly work finally but >> only once I assigned the correct midi notes AND midi learned them in >> Ableton. One or the other did not work. >> >> I was supposed to test something else about this but haven't gotten back >> to it for some time... won't have time for another week or two but if >> you're still having problems after this let me know as I'll be diving ba= ck >> in soon too. >> >> >> ---Christopher. >> >> >> >> On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >> >> Hey loopers, >> >> Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe help me out here? >> >> Running Echoloop VST inside Ableton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG. >> >> Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response from the VST but >> only when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matter what command t= he >> LG is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the control responds. Fine, >> BUT that limits me to the VST controls that are exposed in the UI. >> >> Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to get the VST to >> respond to direct MIDI. >> >> There is likely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am not >> sure what it means really: >> >> >> For the VST Parameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly different >> since the knobs (CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only the real >> buttons have a parameter. Power user want them all: >> - 8 real buttons >> - 34 virtual buttons >> - 4 knobs >> - 25 menu items >> >> >> I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) set to 2, and sending commands via >> channel 2 from LG. I've tried every possible setting off/on in the MIDI >> prefs. In any case, Ableton is 'seeing' the MIDI incoming, but VST does = not >> respond (unless I succumb to Ableton MIDI mapping) :) >> >> What am I missing here? >> >> Many thanks in advance. >> >> Phil :) >> >> >> > --f46d0444026682cd2d04ba0ad5f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regarding MIDI routing suggestions, and my question to Per, and Ricky...
I think what you are suggesting is this:

1. Set up a MIDI track, and use the Midi From selector to hear inco= ming CCs
2. Use that track's MIDI To selector to route those CC's to th= e audio track where Echoloop lives

Is that correct= ? Totally had not thought of approaching it that way... if so i will try th= is first thing this evening :)

Best,

Phil :)

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gm= ail.com> wrote:

Thanks everyone for your assistance :)

Ricky, I am indeed using Live 8.=A0

I am using the correct MIDI commands, of that I am certain.=A0

One thing that occurred to me is that I have Ableton commands coming in = on Channel 5, and the Echoloop coming in on Channel 2. Maybe that's bad= ? Maybe I need to route the Echoloop commands through the same channel as t= he host? I guess I will try that this evening after working hours=85

So Ricky, a configured set would be the AWESOME. Please do send?=A0

And Per, regarding this:=A0

"Instead you could set up a=A0direct MIDI path into the Echoloop an= d feed it directly from your=A0external MIDI control gear. "

Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clari= fy?

Thanks again to all, you are the wind beneath my wings :D

Best,

Phil :)


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Christopher Darrow <theda= rrow@gmail.com> wrote:
I had a hell of a time with it too. Got it to mostly work final= ly but only =A0once I assigned the correct midi notes AND midi learned them= in Ableton. One or the other did not work.=A0

I was supposed to test something else about this but ha= ven't gotten back to it for some time... won't have time for anothe= r week or two but if you're still having problems after this let me kno= w as I'll be diving back in soon too.=A0


---Christo= pher.=A0



On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

Hey loopers,

Anyone using the Echoloop VST maybe = help me out =A0here?

Running Echoloop VST inside A= bleton, sending MIDI via Gordius LG.

Having a knotty time of it, finally got some response f= rom the VST but only when using Ableton's MIDI mapping mode. So no matt= er what command the LG is sending, if I've mapped it in Ableton, the co= ntrol responds. Fine, BUT that limits me to the VST controls that are expos= ed in the UI.

Going back to the drawing board, I can find no way to g= et the VST to respond to direct MIDI.

There is lik= ely a clue here in text from Matthias' manual, but I am not sure what i= t means really:

For the VST Par= ameters (accessed by the host...), its slightly different since the knobs (= CC in MIDI) are in the same list. So far only the real buttons have a param= eter. Power user want them all:
- 8 real butt= ons
- 34 virtual buttons
- 4 knobs
- 25 menu items

I have the VST MIDI channel (BtnChan) s= et to 2, and sending commands via channel 2 from LG. I've tried every p= ossible setting off/on in the MIDI prefs. In any case, Ableton is 'seei= ng' the MIDI incoming, but VST does not respond (unless I succumb to Ab= leton MIDI mapping) :)

What am I missing here?

Many thanks in advance.

Phil :)



--f46d0444026682cd2d04ba0ad5f0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 19:05:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C293B18345A; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 737392467/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.65/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.65 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0CAAslTU9YbRJB/2dsb2JhbAAMN7JPBIN/AQEBBDhRCxgJJQ8CRhwBwTOKQoJtAgIHBgQDBAMIBAoHGgECAQIBAgKFAg95gx4EmwqNJQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,497,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="737392467" Message-ID: <4F4D256E.90605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:05:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <48DEAE49-C824-4FD3-9638-2E2057919FD9@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:05:18 +0000 (UTC) hi Ricky, any chance you could send it here. Then I can forward it to enquiries, (you'll be credited of course). regards andy Ricky Graham wrote: > Are you using Live 8? I can send you a configured set. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 19:18:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D19A518345C; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f3092ca7-9b50-4a0c-8e93-ef8e9a82a3f8_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:17:00 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2012 19:17:00.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BDCA670:01CCF64D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:18:19 +0000 (UTC) --_f3092ca7-9b50-4a0c-8e93-ef8e9a82a3f8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thousands of people every week dance to DJ's. They're more interested in th= e sound than the spectacle of someone on stage and frankly=2C so am I. If s= omeone is wringing a passionate performance out of their instrument=2C that= can be cool. I was lucky enough to see a wonderful performance from a sita= r player in the back room of a clothes shop in Glastonbury last year. The g= uy spent about 5 minutes tuning his instrument then we all drifted into the= most wonderful reverie. At the end he just smiled..No showbiz razzmatazz j= ust a shared musical journey. Equally I've thoroughly enjoyed DJ sets that = just worked in that moment..It's about the music isn't it? however it is pr= esented.. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Tue=2C 28 Feb 2012 11:34:04 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: emile@foryourhead.com > Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting >=20 > Work with other musicians -- preferably some who play acoustic instrument= s. >=20 > At 10:40 PM -0800 2/27/12=2C kay'lon rushing wrote: > >My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic=20 > >instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input.=20 > >I make live looping- based electronic music=2C at least try lol. I=20 > >feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a=20 > >performance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips=20 > >to keep it fresh? >=20 >=20 > --=20 > "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter > "... cast your dancing spell my way=2C I promise to go under it" -- Bob D= ylan >=20 > My photography can be viewed at=20 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ >=20 > My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld >=20 >=20 >=20 = --_f3092ca7-9b50-4a0c-8e93-ef8e9a82a3f8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thousands of people every week dance to DJ's. They're more interested in th= e sound than the spectacle of someone on stage and frankly=2C so am I. = =3B
If someone is wringing a passionate performance out of their instru= ment=2C that can be cool. I was lucky enough to see a wonderful performance= from a sitar player in the back room of a clothes shop in Glastonbury last= year. The guy spent about 5 minutes tuning his instrument then we all drif= ted into the most wonderful reverie. At the end he just smiled..
= No showbiz razzmatazz just a shared musical journey. Equally I've thoroughl= y enjoyed DJ sets that just worked in that moment..
It's about th= e music isn't it? however it is presented..

Gareth Whittock= =2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Date: Tue=2C 28 Feb 2012 11:34:04 -0500
>=3B To: Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com
>=3B From: emile@foryourhead.com
>=3B Subj= ect: Re: Keeping your sets interesting
>=3B
>=3B Work with other= musicians -- preferably some who play acoustic instruments.
>=3B
= >=3B At 10:40 PM -0800 2/27/12=2C kay'lon rushing wrote:
>=3B >=3B= My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic
>=3B &= gt=3Binstruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. >=3B >=3BI make live looping- based electronic music=2C at least try = lol. I
>=3B >=3Bfeel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast= during a
>=3B >=3Bperformance. I get quite bored during sessions s= ometimes. Any tips
>=3B >=3Bto keep it fresh?
>=3B
>=3B =
>=3B --
>=3B "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter
&g= t=3B "... cast your dancing spell my way=2C I promise to go under it" -- Bo= b Dylan
>=3B
>=3B My photography can be viewed at
>=3B htt= p://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/
&g= t=3B
>=3B My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld=
>=3B
>=3B
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= --_f3092ca7-9b50-4a0c-8e93-ef8e9a82a3f8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 19:26:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF706183455; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.92.165 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.92.165; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.92.165 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ffugCnGbc4TkhqEAVhe1VerqTCJhzyQGlH2RmQUyaC8=; b=uYMnhNNH5Aj62MDJS9t4Tdh/RoCVpn9KRxzvw7I/B+2RCbAcRUnmUUHWhmuaZuuJJf k1tycc+Z5Mtrar5PuQM9PrRFj7GTw8pAMQRU2xcoaiMgkJHl1EhEzX3X6XiSpW1XiLL6 90Aqwq2jmmVSSUSfUAZwy8cwAr5pJADiZcVHc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:26:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c09263082e204ba0b344c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:26:30 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c09263082e204ba0b344c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 it is about the music. But music is expression and often feel like i lack that in performance. On Feb 28, 2012 11:18 AM, "Gareth Whittock" wrote: > Thousands of people every week dance to DJ's. They're more interested in > the sound than the spectacle of someone on stage and frankly, so am I. > If someone is wringing a passionate performance out of their instrument, > that can be cool. I was lucky enough to see a wonderful performance from a > sitar player in the back room of a clothes shop in Glastonbury last year. > The guy spent about 5 minutes tuning his instrument then we all drifted > into the most wonderful reverie. At the end he just smiled.. > No showbiz razzmatazz just a shared musical journey. Equally I've > thoroughly enjoyed DJ sets that just worked in that moment.. > It's about the music isn't it? however it is presented.. > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:34:04 -0500 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > From: emile@foryourhead.com > > Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting > > > > Work with other musicians -- preferably some who play acoustic > instruments. > > > > At 10:40 PM -0800 2/27/12, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > >My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic > > >instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. > > >I make live looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I > > >feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a > > >performance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips > > >to keep it fresh? > > > > > > -- > > "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter > > "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob > Dylan > > > > My photography can be viewed at > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ > > > > My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld > > > > > > > --f46d043c09263082e204ba0b344c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

it is about the music. But music is expression and often feel like i lac= k that in performance.

On Feb 28, 2012 11:18 AM, "Gareth Whittock&= quot; <buddhamachine@live.co= .uk> wrote:
Thousands of people every week dance to DJ's. They're more interest= ed in the sound than the spectacle of someone on stage and frankly, so am I= .=A0
If someone is wringing a passionate performance out of their instr= ument, that can be cool. I was lucky enough to see a wonderful performance = from a sitar player in the back room of a clothes shop in Glastonbury last = year. The guy spent about 5 minutes tuning his instrument then we all drift= ed into the most wonderful reverie. At the end he just smiled..
No showbiz razzmatazz just a shared musical journey. Equally I've = thoroughly enjoyed DJ sets that just worked in that moment..
It&#= 39;s about the music isn't it? however it is presented..

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Date= : Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:34:04 -0500
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com
> From: emile= @foryourhead.com
> Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting
= >
> Work with other musicians -- preferably some who play acousti= c instruments.
>
> At 10:40 PM -0800 2/27/12, kay'lon rushing wrote:
>= >My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic
>= ; >instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio inpu= t.
> >I make live looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I <= br>> >feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a > >performance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any ti= ps
> >to keep it fresh?
>
>
> --
> "I ra= ng a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter
> "... cast your da= ncing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan
> > My photography can be viewed at
> h= ttp://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/=
>
> My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld
> <= br>>
>
--f46d043c09263082e204ba0b344c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 19:39:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EFFE18345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c5331bab-3b97-454d-b6e1-5c0b1203035e_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:39:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2012 19:39:28.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF543610:01CCF650] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:39:30 +0000 (UTC) --_c5331bab-3b97-454d-b6e1-5c0b1203035e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm. Maybe you just lack confidence. Have you seen Robert Fripp or Tangerin= e Dream or any number of fine artists who people queue up to watch/listen t= o that just simply do what it is they do? Maybe you're just an understated = kind of performer - We can't all be exhibitionists.. Have you had any feedb= ack from audiences on the subject? Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Tue=2C 28 Feb 2012 11:26:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com it is about the music. But music is expression and often feel like i lack t= hat in performance. On Feb 28=2C 2012 11:18 AM=2C "Gareth Whittock" = wrote: Thousands of people every week dance to DJ's. They're more interested in th= e sound than the spectacle of someone on stage and frankly=2C so am I. If s= omeone is wringing a passionate performance out of their instrument=2C that= can be cool. I was lucky enough to see a wonderful performance from a sita= r player in the back room of a clothes shop in Glastonbury last year. The g= uy spent about 5 minutes tuning his instrument then we all drifted into the= most wonderful reverie. At the end he just smiled.. No showbiz razzmatazz just a shared musical journey. Equally I've thoroughl= y enjoyed DJ sets that just worked in that moment..It's about the music isn= 't it? however it is presented.. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Tue=2C 28 Feb 2012 11:34:04 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: emile@foryourhead.com > Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting >=20 > Work with other musicians -- preferably some who play acoustic instrument= s. >=20 > At 10:40 PM -0800 2/27/12=2C kay'lon rushing wrote: > >My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic=20 > >instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input.=20 > >I make live looping- based electronic music=2C at least try lol. I=20 > >feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a=20 > >performance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips=20 > >to keep it fresh? >=20 >=20 > --=20 > "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter > "... cast your dancing spell my way=2C I promise to go under it" -- Bob D= ylan >=20 > My photography can be viewed at=20 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ >=20 > My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 = --_c5331bab-3b97-454d-b6e1-5c0b1203035e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmm. Maybe you just lack confidence. Have you seen Robert Fripp or Tangerin= e Dream or any number of fine artists who people queue up to watch/listen t= o that just simply do what it is they do? =3B
Maybe you're just an = understated kind of performer - We can't all be exhibitionists.. =3B
Have you had any feedback from audiences on the subject?

Gar= eth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Tue=2C 28 Feb 2012 11:26:29 -080= 0
Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting
From: k3zz21@gmail.comTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

it is about the music. But= music is expression and often feel like i lack that in performance.
On Feb 28=2C 2012 11:18 AM=2C "Gareth Whittoc= k" <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.= uk>=3B wrote:
Thousands of people every week dance to DJ's. They're more interested in th= e sound than the spectacle of someone on stage and frankly=2C so am I. = =3B
If someone is wringing a passionate performance out of their instru= ment=2C that can be cool. I was lucky enough to see a wonderful performance= from a sitar player in the back room of a clothes shop in Glastonbury last= year. The guy spent about 5 minutes tuning his instrument then we all drif= ted into the most wonderful reverie. At the end he just smiled..
No showbiz razzmatazz just a shared musical journey. Equally I've thor= oughly enjoyed DJ sets that just worked in that moment..
It's abo= ut the music isn't it? however it is presented..

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B = Date: Tue=2C 28 Feb 2012 11:34:04 -0500
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=3B From: emile@foryourhead.com=
>=3B Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting
>=3B
>= =3B Work with other musicians -- preferably some who play acoustic instrume= nts.
>=3B
>=3B At 10:40 PM -0800 2/27/12=2C kay'lon rushing wrote:
&g= t=3B >=3BMy whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic <= br>>=3B >=3Binstruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audi= o input.
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= --_c5331bab-3b97-454d-b6e1-5c0b1203035e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 19:51:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2D7E183460; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.166.38 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.101.166.38; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.166.38 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vF1u+H9DypQQXyo1rV2JnOEmlDHkSc6JhfxVPl8ElA8=; b=xVdJ6Wkj0NLtCaNrWXGa5lzgkFpSO4gNMCKrZhxkpeLi57++6bFmpGA1oAsb5WFESO Zq9NFjaGKksC64LA16QquI867FOYlDIetBZ3rMQW9LfVeNXn9pTkuHcI8DWkb27E8Ies EicMyRKlgnpn6pVIu8qOBP/9FK59Q9rFAc9q0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:51:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:51:16 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > And Per, regarding this: > > "Instead you could set up a=C2=A0direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and f= eed it > directly from your=C2=A0external MIDI control gear. " > > Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clarify? Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over will be explained in that box) There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin hosted in Ableton Live. 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for this tim= e. 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's mixer into the Plugin. MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" tab. For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through a Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (there are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window and chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to pass only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tricky with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get your audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for that is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physical audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressing) to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's output can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. Happy looping! Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 19:55:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D6FF183452; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.148.89 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.148.89; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.148.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=So6zCBFtSuoLCXg0vmf/0J+nvKAdC4jVmO7NhIY/nn4=; b=WNmBk7csi6XcmIZRBQGUznOuXjkhxdq+VhtXQsTOkb5d9/6UyWzam/iSnaFJQBcbym greNOq/WpufUu6Xo+hn6qI15479WwEqT1SkHJAFWAd8TcXNpv25z8x+y5jGMFkWYBJms yBJK86tUpzW+xu7ubNC2bI4fUFoKKm8bmzIT0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:55:53 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_ngSrD.A.HyG.KFTTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:55:54 +0000 (UTC) yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will send on the ableton set to both of you. r On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> And Per, regarding this: >> >> "Instead you could set up a=A0direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and fee= d it >> directly from your=A0external MIDI control gear. " >> >> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clarify? > > > Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in > the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the > application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the > lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over will be > explained in that box) > > There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin hosted > in Ableton Live. > > 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. > I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for this t= ime. > > 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's mixer > into the Plugin. > > MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI > ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" tab. > For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through a > Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (there > are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window and > chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you > chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to pass > only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there > are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI > Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tricky > with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get your > audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for that > is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physical > audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressing) > to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's output > can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. > > Happy looping! > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 19:59:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C6F018345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: , In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:59:26 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CCF653.79148C50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:59:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CCF653.79148C50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002E_01CCF653.7914B360" ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01CCF653.7914B360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My big quandary at times is why anyone would want to watch me play! = Presently I overcome this with the videoworks, but in a live setting I = think I=E2=80=99d want to have the video as well. I am probably wrong = but I suspect an audience is interested in seeing you play when [a] = they=E2=80=99re interested in what you=E2=80=99re doing to get that = sound; [b] you=E2=80=99re a known performer with a songlist people know = already, or expect; [c] they=E2=80=99re friends. I would like to treat = the audience like they=E2=80=99re friends, of course. You can=E2=80=99t = have everything, so I just want all the gubbins to work so I can make = the music, and let the rest take care of itself. Adding video on top of = it makes it more visually interesting, without a doubt. I did a very small experiment once at a house in Pasadena, utilizing the = old Psychedelic Screen Saver because it was nicely responsive to sound, = and configurably so. A friend brought a projector to hook up to my = graphics output. But he didn=E2=80=99t bring the damned manual, and so = it couldn=E2=80=99t be set up to use my output. I had brought the = 21=E2=80=9D monitor along =E2=80=93 what a shlep that one was! =E2=80=93 = and ended up outputting through that. The folks in the room were rapt. = I was relieved but surprised. I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99d want to try to run video off a laptop = while it=E2=80=99s doing the sound processing, though. I=E2=80=99d = bring a DVD for playing through a projector. I would suspect that a lot = of festivals don=E2=80=99t have such a thing set up, or do they? From: Gareth Whittock=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:17 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting Thousands of people every week dance to DJ's. They're more interested in = the sound than the spectacle of someone on stage and frankly, so am I. =20 If someone is wringing a passionate performance out of their instrument, = that can be cool. I was lucky enough to see a wonderful performance from = a sitar player in the back room of a clothes shop in Glastonbury last = year. The guy spent about 5 minutes tuning his instrument then we all = drifted into the most wonderful reverie. At the end he just smiled.. No showbiz razzmatazz just a shared musical journey. Equally I've = thoroughly enjoyed DJ sets that just worked in that moment.. It's about the music isn't it? however it is presented.. Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:34:04 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: emile@foryourhead.com > Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting >=20 > Work with other musicians -- preferably some who play acoustic = instruments. >=20 > At 10:40 PM -0800 2/27/12, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic=20 > >instruments partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input.=20 > >I make live looping- based electronic music, at least try lol. I=20 > >feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty fast during a=20 > >performance. I get quite bored during sessions sometimes. Any tips=20 > >to keep it fresh? >=20 >=20 > --=20 > "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter > "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob = Dylan >=20 > My photography can be viewed at=20 > = http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ >=20 > My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01CCF653.7914B360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My big quandary at times is why anyone would want to watch me play! =   Presently I = overcome=20 this with the videoworks, but in a live setting I think I=E2=80=99d want = to have the=20 video as well.  I am probably wrong but I suspect an audience is = interested=20 in seeing you play when [a] they=E2=80=99re interested in what = you=E2=80=99re doing to get that=20 sound; [b] you=E2=80=99re a known performer with a songlist people know = already, or=20 expect; [c] they=E2=80=99re friends.   I would like = to treat=20 the audience like they=E2=80=99re friends, of course.  You = can=E2=80=99t have everything,=20 so I just want all the gubbins to work so I can make the music, and let = the rest=20 take care of itself.  Adding video on top of it makes it more = visually=20 interesting, without a doubt.
 
I did a very small experiment once at a house in Pasadena, = utilizing the=20 old Psychedelic Screen Saver because it was nicely responsive to sound, = and=20 configurably so.  A friend brought a projector to hook up to my = graphics=20 output.  But he didn=E2=80=99t bring the damned manual, and so it = couldn=E2=80=99t be set=20 up to use my output.  I had brought the 21=E2=80=9D monitor along = =E2=80=93 what a shlep=20 that one was! =E2=80=93 and ended up outputting through that.  The = folks in the=20 room were rapt.  I was relieved but surprised.
 
I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99d want to try to run video off a = laptop while it=E2=80=99s doing=20 the sound processing, though.  I=E2=80=99d bring a DVD for playing = through a=20 projector.  I would suspect that a lot of festivals don=E2=80=99t = have such a thing=20 set up, or do they?
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting
 
Thousands of people every week dance to DJ's. They're = more=20 interested in the sound than the spectacle of someone on stage and = frankly, so=20 am I. =20
If someone is wringing a passionate performance out of their = instrument,=20 that can be cool. I was lucky enough to see a wonderful performance from = a sitar=20 player in the back room of a clothes shop in Glastonbury last year. The = guy=20 spent about 5 minutes tuning his instrument then we all drifted into the = most=20 wonderful reverie. At the end he just smiled..
No showbiz razzmatazz just a shared musical journey. Equally I've=20 thoroughly enjoyed DJ sets that just worked in that moment..
It's about the music isn't it? however it is presented..

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:34:04 = -0500
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> From:=20 emile@foryourhead.com
> Subject: Re: Keeping your sets = interesting
>=20
> Work with other musicians -- preferably some who play acoustic=20 instruments.
>
> At 10:40 PM -0800 2/27/12, kay'lon rushing = wrote:
> >My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No = live=20 acustic
> >instruments partially due to my DAW's inability = accept=20 audio input.
> >I make live looping- based electronic music, = at least=20 try lol. I
> >feel as though my stuff will get boring mighty = fast=20 during a
> >performance. I get quite bored during sessions = sometimes.=20 Any tips
> >to keep it fresh?
>
>
> -- =
> "I=20 rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter
> "... cast your dancing = spell my=20 way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan
>
> My = photography can=20 be viewed at
>=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/<= BR>>=20
> My videos can be viewed at = http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld
>=20
>
>
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YOu are a keyboard player, thats an instrument! People pay to see other people play instruments! You dont HAVE to do anything else! If your music isn't the kind of music which fits dressing up in glittery stacks and star glasses, or leaping off the PA speakers, or setting your keyboard on fire, or spitting on the audience, or having dancing girls in cages, then don't do it!!! (Although in my long experience, I've yet to find music where girls in cages doesn't work...) I made a living for 15 years by being a band that looked at our feet for 1 hour 15 minutes, honestly, all of the suggestions people have given are good cool valid things, but the most important thing is this. Are you playing the music you WANT to play...? Good... then chance are someone else thinks so too... Keep on doing what you are doing is my advice... make the music interesting to yourself and the rest will follow... Mark On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:36 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I think ive mislead you guys. my setup involves an axiom keyboard and a > korg padkontrol controlling my laptop. I don't know how to play anything > but piano so that greatly limits my ability to play a live acoustic > instrument. I feel like when I perform on stage I'm kind of separated and > try to show off more than be involving. > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec553fef687933c04ba0bc571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Kaylon,

I dont think you have anything to worry about! YOu are a= keyboard player, thats an instrument! People pay to see other people play = instruments! You dont HAVE to do anything else!

If your music isn= 9;t the kind of music which fits dressing up in glittery stacks and star gl= asses, or leaping off the PA speakers, or setting your keyboard on fire, or= spitting on the audience, or having dancing girls in cages, then don't= do it!!!

(Although in my long experience, I've yet to find music where girls= in cages doesn't work...)

I made a living for 15 years by being= a band that looked at our feet for 1 hour 15 minutes, honestly, all of the= suggestions people have given are good cool valid things, but the most imp= ortant thing is this.

Are you playing the music you WANT to play...? Good... then chance are = someone else thinks so too...

Keep on doing what you are doing is my= advice... make the music interesting to yourself and the rest will follow.= ..


Mark



On Tue, Feb 28, 2012= at 6:36 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

I think ive mislead you guys. my setup involves an axiom keyboard and a= korg padkontrol controlling my laptop. I don't know how to play anythi= ng but piano so that greatly limits my ability to play a live acoustic inst= rument. I feel like when I perform on stage I'm kind of separated and t= ry to show off more than be involving.





--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec553fef687933c04ba0bc571-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 20:20:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E80AD18345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.151.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.151.3; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.151.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lJaWJdNUdV11yG/gnvxTWjyD/naGVOUhyZEsIpw9Akc=; b=bycN3SUW7XThN3O5uzLrvAcBywc6RFNViLLLaLnDH07tPXjM+Cd7O80pi288hChBSg aUd9u+VXrJTngKAleR8+o6yZFbS7ufkdCB/MiCAPCYFpoTrceozFrOQHrWLu7T4oZXIN y6EyjrthhIjJEsFipkiO/o7knvd/kWDl1uQ9c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:20:44 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9ixf0B.A.nYH.dcTTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Sent On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will send > on the ableton set to both of you. > > r > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >>> And Per, regarding this: >>> >>> "Instead you could set up a=A0direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and fe= ed it >>> directly from your=A0external MIDI control gear. " >>> >>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clarify? >> >> >> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in >> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the >> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over will be >> explained in that box) >> >> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin hosted >> in Ableton Live. >> >> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for this = time. >> >> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's mixer >> into the Plugin. >> >> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI >> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" tab. >> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through a >> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (there >> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window and >> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you >> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to pass >> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there >> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI >> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tricky >> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get your >> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for that >> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physical >> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressing) >> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's output >> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >> >> Happy looping! >> >> Per >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 20:24:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89E6718345A; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.15.70 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.15.70; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.15.70 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xrW1qjF8hwX7NFhCv7RZjcK4ZDJlA9NzCFkaa9oRcas=; b=QfMm/ifCYJ5ItLFX+i5hMGuBWpzvQuiQ0VyCPsAcFt0QvftyM0kllRr7LSZGCM6uO1 SpCZvC34Nn0Mc89tAB2RgeICoX5YTxgK603YEOs32F7EdQ8j1SHpWWfOYQ5SDwwZ0r2o DyL3ajCPK+qAFcF7EDFTZEJ7UPwCALS0yQFW8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:24:25 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:24:26 +0000 (UTC) hmmmm, I agree and disagree with some of the suggestions. 1) Learning how to improvise is a big one. I think some of the best sets combine improvisation for a while and then move into songs. 2) Introduce variation to your "songs": When it comes to listening to live music, it's important to me that the band does NOT just play the same songs the same way each time. One of my favorite bands did this, and I stopped seeing them after 3 shows. I still like 'em, I just got the impression that I'd already seen what they were going to do. The last time I saw Zoe Keating, I noticed that she presented different arrangements of the songs from her CD, and I thought that was really cool. Consider playing them at different tempos, energy levels and with different sounds. 3) When using improvisation - be responsive to the space. Think about how the feeling of the venue that night can affect your set. In some occasions, this can be your response to the situation, rather than fitting in. For example, if I'm playing on a bill with a bunch of really spazzy musicians, I might decide to play a really focused set, because that's what my ears want at the moment. On another occasion, I had some outdoor concerts during last year's tour, and I did my best on some shows to imitate the sounds of crickets and cicadas. You could also do something like saying "I see there are 5 people in the front row, so I'm going to try playing something in 5/4." 4) Don't be bashful about engaging the audience between songs. Tell them a little bit about what you're doing. It takes away a bit of the "musician with a mysterious box" element, and could get them listening more closely. However, remember how intelligent they are. If it's an audience that's familiar with looping, telling them that you have this amazing trick that makes sounds repeat will not go over well. 5) Audience Participation: I'm going to disagree with Daniel and say it depends on the situation. It may work ok for events where everyone is already standing, moving and dancing. If it's an event where everyone's in chairs, it doesn't always work well. I had a girlfriend once (no - seriously!) who would hate a performer forever if they told the audience to clap their hands or sing along. I kind of agree with her. http://www.theonion.com/articles/oh-no-performers-coming-into-audience,2685/ 6) Dancers/Video: Really, there is no cure-all. Throwing dancers and video onto an otherwise dull performance won't save it. I'd go back to my first 4 points and some of the other suggestions. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:40 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > My whole live loop setup is labtop midi based. No live acustic instruments > partially due to my DAW's inability accept audio input. I make live looping- > based electronic music, at least try lol. I feel as though my stuff will get > boring mighty fast during a performance. I get quite bored during sessions > sometimes. Any tips to keep it fresh? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 20:48:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EBC518345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.180.84.36 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.84.36; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.180.84.36 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=z4x0gzW19A6lFOthSssKUFy/c6/0b9ox11I7XIHpa0Q=; b=ORhDNZrlWmq7spmKySXpeR3EGQa7sEYkMq7Wb6UbjQ2gnQ+ceKKzNmuteGSGowdeoW yJt9qxToFjmTx3uJA4QwtGw6cXdd0pRxkbi8pgVpV2dClUr4HiOQ+FABuMkwZJQFdl6v DsQ6y/aj3N9WrCaDDvNxXkUi6Hj7UjwudkPpE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:48:35 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0408d74fc4a54904ba0c5903 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:48:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0408d74fc4a54904ba0c5903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. And I bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do the real work with incoming MIDI from the LG. Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the abstract about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and panel-bound. But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I have not come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a *routing* issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment texts, the updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in the manual and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work in the Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were in any way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. Was not at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my wife keeps popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just 'pick up the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue, rather than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and still not found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution ! And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those in Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote prefs in the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little sense. Your explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D Maybe you should write their manuals :) So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will also benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did we ever do before the interweb? Phil :D On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Sent > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: > > yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will send > > on the ableton set to both of you. > > > > r > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger > >> wrote: > >>> And Per, regarding this: > >>> > >>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and > feed it > >>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " > >>> > >>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clarify? > >> > >> > >> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in > >> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the > >> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the > >> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over will be > >> explained in that box) > >> > >> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin hosted > >> in Ableton Live. > >> > >> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. > >> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for this > time. > >> > >> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's mixer > >> into the Plugin. > >> > >> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI > >> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" tab. > >> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through a > >> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (there > >> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window and > >> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you > >> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to pass > >> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there > >> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI > >> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tricky > >> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get your > >> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for that > >> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physical > >> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressing) > >> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's output > >> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. > >> > >> Happy looping! > >> > >> Per > >> > > --f46d0408d74fc4a54904ba0c5903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky.

Ricky, your file tes= ts well and perfectly illustrates the solution. And I bet your steak was de= licious :) Can't wait to get home later and do the real work with incom= ing MIDI from the LG.

Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanatio= n in the abstract about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollov= er and panel-bound. But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment= is one I have not come across before, so it did not occur to me that this = was a *routing* issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assig= nment texts, the updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignmen= t texts in the manual and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, ch= ecking my work in the Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the= manuals were in any way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings= , and so on. Was not at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (mea= nwhile my wife keeps popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' as= king why I don;t just 'pick up the guitar and play some freaking songs.= ..lol )

SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue, r= ather than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and stil= l not found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution !=

And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better= than those in Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Re= mote prefs in the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little= sense. Your explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D = =A0Maybe you should write their manuals :)

So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others= who will also benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on ear= th did we ever do before the interweb?

Phil :D




On Tu= e, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Sent

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham
<rickygrahammusic@gmail.co= m> wrote:
> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will send<= br> > on the ableton set to both of you.
>
> r
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger
>> <phil.clevenger@gma= il.com> wrote:
>>> And Per, regarding this:
>>>
>>> "Instead you could set up a=A0direct MIDI path into the E= choloop and feed it
>>> directly from your=A0external MIDI control gear. "
>>>
>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you c= larify?
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well i= n
>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be k= ept open in the
>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over wil= l be
>> explained in that box)
>>
>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin ho= sted
>> in Ableton Live.
>>
>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port.
>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip = that for this time.
>>
>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live= 's mixer
>> into the Plugin.
>>
>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's = MIDI
>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's &quo= t;MIDI Sync" tab.
>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but thr= ough a
>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track= " (there
>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the = preferences window and
>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input = slot you
>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to = pass
>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "= In" (there
>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI = To" slot select the MIDI
>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tri= cky
>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get yo= ur
>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for t= hat
>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physic= al
>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot= addressing)
>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's= output
>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs.
>>
>> Happy looping!
>>
>> Per
>>


--f46d0408d74fc4a54904ba0c5903-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 20:50:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224E818345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.60.12.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.12.101; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.60.12.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7+7OpomYb9T324+eMrCNEG1kg24rvXKjremhJA8mMls=; b=NVef0CtRZv7ipcmzHNx+AEXh3cYAJrG7Wr+Y2P8RfZPggozKGUwk9DitkxU1UmJWKh YeQDw4uUKxJDZIwbT7nV+niTuJG/dUdu23PvDzNoDaEMa2RO3wdn6H/jh4yqaPkar5lW IltRjQ4wiBfpa+qbU3eD+0WpDTz6zK9azJ/60= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:50:07 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:50:07 +0000 (UTC) kay'lon rushing was all: > it is about the music. But music is expression and often feel like i lack > that in performance. > Hmmmm, I'd say give yourself a break on this. These things come with experience - if you want them to. I like that you want to look at the expressive aspects. I'd say try this: When practicing, try different ways of expressing - seriously force yourself to do something like play keys hard and/or sloppy, or turn the volume way down while you're playing and learn how to use subtle sounds. Your first attempts will probably sound stupid to you at first. Over time, think about how the sounds could be closer to what you're looking for. "No, it needs to be more like this: (this lo-pass filter setting, a soft attack, not much sustain, and a pitch bend like so)". Meanwhile, think about what you really mean by expressiveness. Are you talking about moods? Language? What do moods sound like? (Anger is a real easy one - loud, sudden attacks and often a lot of distortion.) This is stuff you can strategize about while you're away from your instrument. Something that came up in the music discussion is that certain chords and note relationships can also invoke moods, but that's a department I don't know much about. There's no reason why electronic instruments can't be as expressive as acoustic ones - it just takes folks like you who want to tackle that issue. A volume pedal works wonders for expressiveness. Same with the pitch wheel and mod wheel on your keyboards. I have the mod wheel on my microkorg set to a band pass filter, and it works great! Using pitch, mod, and volume while playing notes, I can get really vocal with it. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 20:52:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFD17183460; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.174.206 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.174.206; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.174.206 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CSp02081WYm6uo0JHaoWdzZy9kYCFLJKNpAqNC+RXlk=; b=aPxE+SC0Ko5uwBUZAx4Mj/KaTA3bP42ckqA+NUxtUXlG6rkldjKldoj8o3u93XzDOR 4u69E952C7sPNiJN1KVmYCO8W/3gAxbn94pf0Y3aHf99Tmh+kjFdRbAFJzC/WaK4DkGj bEMl3e8+hzomkc+FqrN2o/Mv3k6S9XkoK7+08= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:52:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. Glad the set works. R On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. > > Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. And I > bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do the r= eal > work with incoming MIDI from the LG. > > Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the abstract > about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and panel-bou= nd. > But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I have not > come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a *routing* > issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment texts, t= he > updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in the manu= al > and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work in th= e > Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were in any > way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. Was no= t > at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my wife keep= s > popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just 'pick= up > the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) > > SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue, rat= her > than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and still no= t > found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution ! > > And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those in > Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote prefs in > the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little sense. Your > explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D =A0Maybe you > should write their manuals :) > > So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will also > benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did we eve= r > do before the interweb? > > Phil :D > > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> Sent >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >> > yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will send >> > on the ableton set to both of you. >> > >> > r >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen wrot= e: >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >> >> wrote: >> >>> And Per, regarding this: >> >>> >> >>> "Instead you could set up a=A0direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and >> >>> feed it >> >>> directly from your=A0external MIDI control gear. " >> >>> >> >>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clarify= ? >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in >> >> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >> >> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the >> >> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over will b= e >> >> explained in that box) >> >> >> >> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin hoste= d >> >> in Ableton Live. >> >> >> >> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >> >> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for th= is >> >> time. >> >> >> >> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's mixe= r >> >> into the Plugin. >> >> >> >> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI >> >> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" tab= . >> >> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through a >> >> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (there >> >> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window and >> >> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you >> >> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to pas= s >> >> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there >> >> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI >> >> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tricky >> >> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get your >> >> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for that >> >> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physical >> >> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressing) >> >> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's output >> >> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >> >> >> >> Happy looping! >> >> >> >> Per >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 21:03:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C48618345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c6075df7-78f0-490e-a588-9656e02a301e_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:03:34 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2012 21:03:34.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EFFBE20:01CCF65C] Resent-Message-ID: <0DKDh.A.O0.oEUTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:03:36 +0000 (UTC) --_c6075df7-78f0-490e-a588-9656e02a301e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really want to see you play now! Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 = --_c6075df7-78f0-490e-a588-9656e02a301e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I really want to see you play now!

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: = garethwhittock.co= .uk


>=3B
= --_c6075df7-78f0-490e-a588-9656e02a301e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 22:20:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4631C18345D; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3612 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:20:36 UTC Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:20:15 -0600 (CST) From: rdwfour@verizon.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <17085718.1869421.1330464015526.JavaMail.root@vznit170136> Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [71.252.130.101] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:20:37 +0000 (UTC)
 Where can I get the Echoloop VST?
 
Thanks, Rick
 
On 02/28/12, andy butler<akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
 
hi Ricky,
any chance you could send it here.

Then I can forward it to enquiries,
(you'll be credited of course).

regards
andy

Ricky Graham wrote:
> Are you using Live 8? I can send you a configured set.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 22:45:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B897918345E; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NiBGbx7/znNr7r5LivnoJQ)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-28_08:2012-02-28,2012-02-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202280241 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:45:13 -0800 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-id: <6951839C-30C6-4D86-AD74-89DC64FFD4A0@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:45:16 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_NiBGbx7/znNr7r5LivnoJQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Are you playing the music you WANT to play...? Good... then chance are someone else thinks so too... > > Keep on doing what you are doing is my advice... make the music interesting to yourself and the rest will follow... So true. Do it for the sake of the art. Everything else will work out. D On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:06 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Hey Kaylon, > > I dont think you have anything to worry about! YOu are a keyboard player, thats an instrument! People pay to see other people play instruments! You dont HAVE to do anything else! > > If your music isn't the kind of music which fits dressing up in glittery stacks and star glasses, or leaping off the PA speakers, or setting your keyboard on fire, or spitting on the audience, or having dancing girls in cages, then don't do it!!! > > (Although in my long experience, I've yet to find music where girls in cages doesn't work...) > > I made a living for 15 years by being a band that looked at our feet for 1 hour 15 minutes, honestly, all of the suggestions people have given are good cool valid things, but the most important thing is this. > > Are you playing the music you WANT to play...? Good... then chance are someone else thinks so too... > > Keep on doing what you are doing is my advice... make the music interesting to yourself and the rest will follow... > > > Mark > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:36 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I think ive mislead you guys. my setup involves an axiom keyboard and a korg padkontrol controlling my laptop. I don't know how to play anything but piano so that greatly limits my ability to play a live acoustic instrument. I feel like when I perform on stage I'm kind of separated and try to show off more than be involving. > > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --Boundary_(ID_NiBGbx7/znNr7r5LivnoJQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Are you playing the music you WANT to = play...? Good... then chance are someone else thinks so = too...

Keep on doing what you are doing is my advice... make the = music interesting to yourself and the rest will = follow...


So true. =  Do it for the sake of the art.  Everything else will work = out.

D
On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:06 PM, = mark francombe wrote:

Hey = Kaylon,

I dont think you have anything to worry about! YOu are a = keyboard player, thats an instrument! People pay to see other people = play instruments! You dont HAVE to do anything else!

If your = music isn't the kind of music which fits dressing up in glittery stacks = and star glasses, or leaping off the PA speakers, or setting your = keyboard on fire, or spitting on the audience, or having dancing girls = in cages, then don't do it!!!

(Although in my long experience, I've yet to find music where girls = in cages doesn't work...)

I made a living for 15 years by being a = band that looked at our feet for 1 hour 15 minutes, honestly, all of the = suggestions people have given are good cool valid things, but the most = important thing is this.

Are you playing the music you WANT to play...? Good... then chance = are someone else thinks so too...

Keep on doing what you are = doing is my advice... make the music interesting to yourself and the = rest will follow...


Mark



On Tue, Feb 28, = 2012 at 6:36 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> = wrote:

I think ive = mislead you guys. my setup involves an axiom keyboard and a korg = padkontrol controlling my laptop. I don't know how to play anything but = piano so that greatly limits my ability to play a live acoustic = instrument. I feel like when I perform on stage I'm kind of separated = and try to show off more than be involving.





--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/


= --Boundary_(ID_NiBGbx7/znNr7r5LivnoJQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 05:55:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B29B318345D; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8f1e9a6a-b028-4e7a-9563-3a65ee4382d0_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Keeping your sets interesting Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:54:57 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6951839C-30C6-4D86-AD74-89DC64FFD4A0@mac.com> References: ,,,<6951839C-30C6-4D86-AD74-89DC64FFD4A0@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Feb 2012 05:54:57.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAE218D0:01CCF6A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:55:00 +0000 (UTC) --_8f1e9a6a-b028-4e7a-9563-3a65ee4382d0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wise words! This is what I would want from an artist I was watching - every= thing else is just window dressing. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Are you playing the music you WANT to play...? Good... then chance are some= one else thinks so too... Keep on doing what you are doing is my advice... make the music interesting= to yourself and the rest will follow... So true. Do it for the sake of the art. Everything else will work out. = --_8f1e9a6a-b028-4e7a-9563-3a65ee4382d0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wise words! This is what I would want from an artist I was watching - every= thing else is just window dressing.

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist:= garethwhittock.c= o.uk




Are you playing the music you WANT to play...? Good... then= chance are someone else thinks so too...

Keep on doing what you are= doing is my advice... make the music interesting to yourself and the rest = will follow...


So true.  = =3BDo it for the sake of the art.  =3BEverything else will work out.





= --_8f1e9a6a-b028-4e7a-9563-3a65ee4382d0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 10:15:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7E3A18345C; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:15:24 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Ricky, Per -=20 All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG are = heard and everything behaves wonderfully. Very best, Phil :) On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. >=20 > Glad the set works. >=20 > R >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. >>=20 >> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. = And I >> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do = the real >> work with incoming MIDI from the LG. >>=20 >> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the = abstract >> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and = panel-bound. >> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I have = not >> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a = *routing* >> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment = texts, the >> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in the = manual >> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work = in the >> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were in = any >> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. = Was not >> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my wife = keeps >> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just = 'pick up >> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) >>=20 >> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue, = rather >> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and = still not >> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution ! >>=20 >> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those in >> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote = prefs in >> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little sense. = Your >> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D Maybe = you >> should write their manuals :) >>=20 >> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will also >> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did we = ever >> do before the interweb? >>=20 >> Phil :D >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham = >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Sent >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >>> wrote: >>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will = send >>>> on the ableton set to both of you. >>>>=20 >>>> r >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> And Per, regarding this: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop = and >>>>>> feed it >>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you = clarify? >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well = in >>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in = the >>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over = will be >>>>> explained in that box) >>>>>=20 >>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin = hosted >>>>> in Ableton Live. >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for = this >>>>> time. >>>>>=20 >>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's = mixer >>>>> into the Plugin. >>>>>=20 >>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI >>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" = tab. >>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through = a >>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" = (there >>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window = and >>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you >>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to = pass >>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" = (there >>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI >>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it = tricky >>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get = your >>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for = that >>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the = physical >>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot = addressing) >>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's = output >>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Happy looping! >>>>>=20 >>>>> Per >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 10:37:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DBCA18345D; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F4DFFCB.70909@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:37:00 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Keeping your sets interesting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3S3Y-C.A.Vb.T_fTPB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:37:07 +0000 (UTC) On 2/28/12 2:30 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > Dont worry so much about being boring... just dont get bored yourself... Great advice, Mark. I've always told insecure live looping newbies who are playing the festival for the first time to just play something that they think is really cool and interesting. If you are fascinated by what you are doing, there will be others in the audience who will 'get it'. I also tell them to make sure that they have 6 distinctive musical pieces in their 30 minute sets...... one that have distinctive beginnings and distinctive endings.........this is to keep the audience fresh with what you are presenting. A great exercise doing this is to set a 5 minute alarm clock up so that for 30 straight minutes, every single day, you discipline yourself to create 6 complete pieces, come hell, mistakes, or high water in exactly 30 minutes............do this everyday for 2 straight weeks without fail and just watch how your live shows will come together very quickly. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 10:39:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69911183463; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F4E005B.3070305@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:39:23 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Davignon CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Keeping your sets interesting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010504040906050904010601" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:39:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010504040906050904010601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/28/12 12:50 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I have the mod wheel on > my microkorg set to a band pass filter, and it works great! Using > pitch, mod, and volume while playing notes, I can get really vocal > with it. didn't know you could do this, can you explain? I hate when it is mapped to modulation which I rarely use. r. --------------010504040906050904010601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/28/12 12:50 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: 
I have the mod wheel on
my microkorg set to a band pass filter, and it works great! Using
pitch, mod, and volume while playing notes, I can get really vocal
with it.
didn't know you could do this,   can you explain?

I hate when it is mapped to modulation which I rarely use.

r.
 --------------010504040906050904010601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 15:11:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C32E183452; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.14.230 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.14.230; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.14.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c+Hmx2vGP/CVuh2uZHh7hKhHG7Y2KPjm3k8qiVzhhiY=; b=EqrjhBES0FvJZbMIf6mHckb0qBiYmu9vrgmKJRUITgiYzL/2vxrfHfIOkFa7SLNRBn ZP5U9p/AQen+7vqtpd7nRuSoOF/H8on2tsXzzP5cgmKk1DqNDkObtnj/RcPXEBfM/oUs 9ScYyxCu3VJFBkU2a0gM+/fWX7mTTqA1/hs8o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F4DFFCB.70909@cruzio.com> References: <4F4DFFCB.70909@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:11:12 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138ce10654c404ba1bc17a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:11:13 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138ce10654c404ba1bc17a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 @Rick I sooo want to practice that but I never seem to get around to it. Either due to procrastination on other things i have to do or simply unplanned days. On Feb 29, 2012 2:37 AM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > On 2/28/12 2:30 AM, mark francombe wrote: > >> >> Dont worry so much about being boring... just dont get bored yourself... >> > Great advice, Mark. > > I've always told insecure live looping newbies who are playing the > festival for the first time > to just play something that they think is really cool and interesting. > > If you are fascinated by what you are doing, there will be others in the > audience who will 'get it'. > > I also tell them to make sure that they have 6 distinctive musical pieces > in their 30 minute sets...... > one that have distinctive beginnings and distinctive endings.........this > is to keep the audience > fresh with what you are presenting. > > A great exercise doing this is to set a 5 minute alarm clock up so that > for 30 straight minutes, > every single day, you discipline yourself to create 6 complete pieces, > come hell, mistakes, or high > water in exactly 30 minutes............do this everyday for 2 straight > weeks without fail and just watch how > your live shows will come together very quickly. > > rick walker > > --f46d04138ce10654c404ba1bc17a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@Rick I sooo want to practice that but I never seem to get around to it.= Either due to procrastination on other things i have to do or simply unpla= nned days.

On Feb 29, 2012 2:37 AM, "Rick Walker"= <looppool@cruzio.com> wro= te:
On 2/28/12 2:30 AM, mark francombe wrote:

Dont worry so much about being boring... just dont get bored yourself...
Great advice, Mark.

I've always told insecure live looping newbies who are playing the fest= ival for the first time
to just play something that they think is really cool and interesting.

If you are fascinated by what you are doing, =A0there will be others in the= audience who will 'get it'.

I also tell them to make sure that they have 6 distinctive musical pieces i= n their 30 minute sets......
one that have distinctive beginnings and distinctive endings.........this i= s to keep the audience
fresh with what you are presenting.

A great exercise doing this is to set a 5 minute alarm clock up so that for= 30 straight minutes,
every single day, =A0you discipline yourself to create 6 complete pieces, c= ome hell, mistakes, or high
water in exactly 30 minutes............do this everyday for 2 straight week= s without fail and just watch how
your live shows will come together very quickly.

rick walker

--f46d04138ce10654c404ba1bc17a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 16:18:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 622FF18345E; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.153.28 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.153.28; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.153.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VT9K7YaMypLvhfTy6T3if9z6xKeUEdY9O+nXNeevK58=; b=k5I8g9EWN7XiB4afjegnnlHvmNWyq+MMuQJ25H1d6IYbZ3qVlbCW9UlD20FPtC+Lm7 3wcCmJrbFJwRw9Td/fb/i0zr0LSz6MbOnDyU8hZXDf9bcgCfYlzfbapGWV1vDIfcLoCx EwmqykxyCJ55/cnizkn6wRyzGXQrpeBmLSY14= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:18:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Good! On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Ricky, Per - > > All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG are = heard and everything behaves wonderfully. > > Very best, > > Phil :) > > > > On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > >> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. >> >> Glad the set works. >> >> R >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. >>> >>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. And= I >>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do the= real >>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG. >>> >>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the abstrac= t >>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and panel-b= ound. >>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I have n= ot >>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a *routing* >>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment texts,= the >>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in the ma= nual >>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work in = the >>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were in a= ny >>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. Was = not >>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my wife ke= eps >>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just 'pi= ck up >>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) >>> >>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue, r= ather >>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and still = not >>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution ! >>> >>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those in >>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote prefs = in >>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little sense. Yo= ur >>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D =A0Maybe y= ou >>> should write their manuals :) >>> >>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will also >>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did we e= ver >>> do before the interweb? >>> >>> Phil :D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sent >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >>>> wrote: >>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will send >>>>> on the ableton set to both of you. >>>>> >>>>> r >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen wro= te: >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> And Per, regarding this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and >>>>>>> feed it >>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clarif= y? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in >>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the >>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over will = be >>>>>> explained in that box) >>>>>> >>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin host= ed >>>>>> in Ableton Live. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for t= his >>>>>> time. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's mix= er >>>>>> into the Plugin. >>>>>> >>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI >>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" ta= b. >>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through a >>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (ther= e >>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window and >>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you >>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to pa= ss >>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there >>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI >>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it trick= y >>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get your >>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for tha= t >>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physical >>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressing) >>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's outpu= t >>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Happy looping! >>>>>> >>>>>> Per >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 16:39:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97769183454; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-39074801 From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:39:52 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: <09218D36-F533-424B-837D-29638197A8B9@trufun.com> References: ,,,<6951839C-30C6-4D86-AD74-89DC64FFD4A0@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:39:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-39074801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Exactly! On Feb 28, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Wise words! This is what I would want from an artist I was watching - = everything else is just window dressing. >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Are you playing the music you WANT to play...? Good... then chance are = someone else thinks so too... >=20 > Keep on doing what you are doing is my advice... make the music = interesting to yourself and the rest will follow... >=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail-2-39074801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Wise words! This is what I would want from an artist I was = watching - everything else is just window dressing.

Gareth = Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk




Are you playing = the music you WANT to play...? Good... then chance are someone else = thinks so too...

Keep on doing what you are doing is my advice... = make the music interesting to yourself and the rest will = follow...


david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730




= --Apple-Mail-2-39074801-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 17:13:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95F22183460; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keeping your sets interesting In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEC51C9315EAA2_5D8_21237_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35647-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEC51C92FBBB77-5D8-853C@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.59.67] Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:13:22 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1330535602; bh=3KfHTfd2v6nLzEtQBdynAb6FR1iXemKlv6liKCwUnlY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ie6IO8Tpsc9Nz6SylmrjrreZ0786Rwp9M506uhZZZQ+71+ZUztkN5AHG0mcXPbLaF MMOXunKRlVmDuai0QaqnhkqinagJAw3BhOm1j0j5UzvoBqmka8eJBUQN/VGL1/xCO7 flrKlF6ty7pz8obGi2wqLcsmxkRkQW57Lw7wm6+c= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:354280384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84f4e5cb2074c Resent-Message-ID: <5bsqcC.A.vIE.2ylTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:13:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEC51C9315EAA2_5D8_21237_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 1. change the key of your songs 2. change the timbres 3. have fun!!!!! 4. TIN FOIL HATS 5. tin foil hats every time i "practice" i pretend i am playing the BIG ROOM, what happens, = happens.....how long of a set do you play and how many sets in your performance?.....if your set is 35 mins. practice= 35 mins. sets.....this forces me to not get caught up with my wanderings, 45 mins. tunes, what have you.....over time y= ou will glean these "sets" down to a more dynamic set.....or maybe not.....point #3 is the most important but i remem= ber scoots galore back in 96 said "music is not ALWAYS fun".....wtf!.....that's too much to deal with.....LOOPONnopool =20 ----------MB_8CEC51C9315EAA2_5D8_21237_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" 1. change the key of your songs

2. change the timbres

3. have fun!!!!!

4. TIN FOIL HATS

5. tin foil hats

every time i "practice" i prete= nd i am playing the BIG ROOM, what happens, happens.....how long of a set d= o you play

and how many sets in your = performance?.....if your set is 35 mins. practice 35 mins. sets.....this fo= rces me to not get

caught up with my wanderin= gs, 45 mins. tunes, what have you.....over time you will glean these "sets"= down to a more

dynamic set.....or maybe n= ot.....point #3 is the most important but i remember scoots galore back in = 96 said "music is

not ALWAYS fun".....wtf!..= ...that's too much to deal with.....LOOPONnopool
----------MB_8CEC51C9315EAA2_5D8_21237_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 18:31:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1D4918345D; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.60.12.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.12.101; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.60.12.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QRT134aw0k1locZ2D0S9GXhJAnST2PUj7vwEOhPe3CE=; b=YHuo1QUoB+n1OJWjXNEeI75dkJbmTSY/UfZxCnRkurZ+N6EWuz1xG2evRgpzqc9r6L TlLz7PMP++HxdQ7YVlwTjJRiexs/I1g8Vl+QTmXNYSBeBx55U7XvvKgl+vaOib8t5HQH TJuHWmLsSUBSQOAiegCauI/t3mSJNVkIlPhiA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F4E005B.3070305@cruzio.com> References: <4F4E005B.3070305@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:44 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Keeping your sets interesting From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <28FXcD.A.h9E.R8mTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:31:45 +0000 (UTC) I can't remember how I did it - it was with the instruction manual on my lap. I'm one of those Luddite electronic musicians who easily gets frustrated with new technology. I almost gave up my microkorg because I don't like the concept of digging through menus to change parameters - especially during live shows. At my last band practice, I wasted 5 minutes trying to find the switch that toggles between from monophonic and polyphonic. Instead, I found two or three presets that were close to what I wanted as a "basic building block". With instruction manual in hand, I turned off most of the lfos, etc on those sounds and figured out how to save them as the first 3 presets. They pretty much just go "ooooo" like sine waves. When I play the instrument, it runs through the same fx that my drum machine usually does, so the only settings I need to change on the keyboard are filter sweeps and attack/sustain/release. I do fuzz/tremelo/etc on external effects. If I remember correctly, one of the menus on the matrix had a switch for mod wheel functionality - there were 5 or 6 different options. I think the band-pass was the default for the preset I was using. I might be naming it wrong, but it sounds like a super resonant band-pass filter to me. Rick Walker was all: > (In sarcastic Matt Davignon voice): > "I have the mod wheel on > my microkorg set to a band pass filter, and it works great! Using > pitch, mod, and volume while playing notes, I can get really vocal > with it." > > didn't know you could do this,=A0=A0 can you explain? > > I hate when it is mapped to modulation which I rarely use. > > r. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 18:34:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0513218345D; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 734960744/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.21.123/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.21.123 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlADAHpuTk9YbRV7/2dsb2JhbAAMN4U5rS4EhAUBAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIAK1lik6BL4kSglcWAgIHBgQHAwUDBQkHGgMBAgECAoUCD3mCCIEWBJsLjSU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,504,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="734960744" Message-ID: <4F4E6FA3.6060209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:34:11 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. > I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for this time. > no, it can't do that. There *shouldn't* be a need. Hopefully it's just a matter of knowing the hoops to jump in Ableton. Does anyone have further info about the Note-Off issue? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 18:46:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19BE18345C; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.152.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.152.7; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.152.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=W4AC/0aYogLFoUywqwr+WASX1t/0qgQ9oXLfo+nYzgA=; b=oDZArVPk+nJK1uc8Y2GbFZhltJw3nHot//497JGKyy8nS8gzpNPsATqFAUbdjtLMKz W8jGTHcqNWt6OwX93aScV8iD/aptMXJPAyxk8PulOFHUKNRwjjrw+ael0EzUCBmFlGBW p36RnT2De2IGvh+kKW7zEtfRxuWbsASgzZPTs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F4E6FA3.6060209@tiscali.co.uk> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <4F4E6FA3.6060209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:46:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Nout that can be done about Andy. CC primacy within Live, for the moment. Ricky On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:34 PM, andy butler wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: > >> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for this >> time. >> > > no, it can't do that. > > There *shouldn't* be a need. > > Hopefully it's just a matter of knowing the hoops to jump in Ableton. > > Does anyone have further info about the Note-Off issue? > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 18:53:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 470F9183453; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.0.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.0.48; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.0.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0PkXgERu3dxIbbCfGdzpY95Z6YB4doPPOPQtYB/dALU=; b=LfuwodaP22ACXvMcYXiLgwqWAeTUhbF8CWRo0YPQ/vXXgIntdxXGzoTNumf9C5M0f8 nLsWx/04RlnfHWsf0fxrYhdjcRwszodBLWRPMYbF0/IAKQpCUBiL6MnEJMyvGNwVr6Ja WhZpIPcQrMWvr3CaeN/kzC6eEmStG9RM8LH70= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:53:11 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Set Length! (Was: Keeping your sets interesting) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9eDa5B.A.AgF.XQnTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Ooh - something else I forgot to mention on the Keeping Your Sets Interesting thread. Set Length! One of the hallmarks of not-very-interesting sets is that they are almost always too long. (Duh, right?) I've been to a number of performances where I loved what they were doing for the first 20 minutes. Then they kept going, and going, and going, and 40 minutes later I was vowing to never see that musician/band again. Inexperienced musicians seem to often want to maximize the time they spend on stage at any given concert. In the end, the time you spend on stage is not going to be what the audience remembers (unless it's extremely short or extremely long). What folks will remember are the times that you are at the top of your game, and the times where they would chew off a leg to escape. Obviously you want to maximize the former and minimize the latter. Some major touring acts tend to play for a few hours. That works for them, because the audience paid a lot for the tickets, and they're usually familiar with the songs that are being played. On the other hand, harsh noise shows often line up 5 to 7 bands, and each plays for only 10-15 minutes. For social events like art gallery openings, it's probably ok to play for longer, because the audience is expected to wander around, and tune in to you only occasionally. For local-level stuff where the audience is paying attention to you, I find my ideal set length as an audience member is 35-45 minutes. It's rare that I encounter 60 minute sets that wouldn't have been better as 45 minute sets. It's better to leave your audience wishing you played longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner. By the way, a new podcast of my radio show is up: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 22:13:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82F1A183462; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.216.139.29 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.139.29; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.216.139.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Q8OEQP6OqET1c2iDtLD0iqC7J2Fsajek0Mnq3MBbJhA=; b=w+mNuBZWhPgP3lnaw+I+dxnlcrBQ0P32kUi70PwyofqNRtY1K9aIv9jdVHMU/SrmMZ hmsvoNj/T+f38jiA7AXJZp5a04XvU88TggGqnnCy0o0MCvxS02x5ouqtqLKQr06lnIp9 66bN7eoF20LUjxcPK14W6lud+ZsIj/s0IU+qM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:13:02 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Set Length! (Was: Keeping your sets interesting) From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e94ba2f25404ba21a516 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:13:03 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7e94ba2f25404ba21a516 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thats a good piece of advice. I know that one of my performances which was 10 minutes got boring for me because it lacked variety. I got bored on stage therefore i felt like the audience was bored and creativity began to fail me. On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon" wrote: > Ooh - something else I forgot to mention on the Keeping Your Sets > Interesting thread. > > Set Length! > > One of the hallmarks of not-very-interesting sets is that they are > almost always too long. (Duh, right?) I've been to a number of > performances where I loved what they were doing for the first 20 > minutes. Then they kept going, and going, and going, and 40 minutes > later I was vowing to never see that musician/band again. > > Inexperienced musicians seem to often want to maximize the time they > spend on stage at any given concert. In the end, the time you spend on > stage is not going to be what the audience remembers (unless it's > extremely short or extremely long). What folks will remember are the > times that you are at the top of your game, and the times where they > would chew off a leg to escape. Obviously you want to maximize the > former and minimize the latter. > > Some major touring acts tend to play for a few hours. That works for > them, because the audience paid a lot for the tickets, and they're > usually familiar with the songs that are being played. On the other > hand, harsh noise shows often line up 5 to 7 bands, and each plays for > only 10-15 minutes. For social events like art gallery openings, it's > probably ok to play for longer, because the audience is expected to > wander around, and tune in to you only occasionally. > > For local-level stuff where the audience is paying attention to you, I > find my ideal set length as an audience member is 35-45 minutes. It's > rare that I encounter 60 minute sets that wouldn't have been better as > 45 minute sets. It's better to leave your audience wishing you played > longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner. > > By the way, a new podcast of my radio show is up: > http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > --0016e6d7e94ba2f25404ba21a516 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thats a good piece of advice. I know that one of my performances which w= as 10 minutes got boring for me because it lacked variety. I got bored on s= tage therefore i felt like the audience was bored and creativity began to f= ail me.

On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon&qu= ot; <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Ooh - something else I forgot to mention on the Keeping Your Sets
Interesting thread.

Set Length!

One of the hallmarks of not-very-interesting sets is that they are
almost always too long. (Duh, right?) I've been to a number of
performances where I loved what they were doing for the first 20
minutes. Then they kept going, and going, and going, and 40 minutes
later I was vowing to never see that musician/band again.

Inexperienced musicians seem to often want to maximize the time they
spend on stage at any given concert. In the end, the time you spend on
stage is not going to be what the audience remembers (unless it's
extremely short or extremely long). What folks will remember are the
times that you are at the top of your game, and the times where they
would chew off a leg to escape. Obviously you want to maximize the
former and minimize the latter.

Some major touring acts tend to play for a few hours. That works for
them, because the audience paid a lot for the tickets, and they're
usually familiar with the songs that are being played. On the other
hand, harsh noise shows often line up 5 to 7 bands, and each plays for
only 10-15 minutes. For social events like art gallery openings, it's probably ok to play for longer, because the audience is expected to
wander around, and tune in to you only occasionally.

For local-level stuff where the audience is paying attention to you, I
find my ideal set length as an audience member is 35-45 minutes. It's rare that I encounter 60 minute sets that wouldn't have been better as<= br> 45 minute sets. It's better to leave your audience wishing you played longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner.

By the way, a new podcast of my radio show is up:
http://ribo= somematt.podomatic.com

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
http= ://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

--0016e6d7e94ba2f25404ba21a516-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 22:21:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 785C7183460; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Matteo Giudici Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-59587024 Subject: Re: Set Length! (Was: Keeping your sets interesting) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:21:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <087CC1C6-00B5-4E7B-8E4F-E0BA6F30E4E7@alice.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <889qgC.A.J3H.7TqTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:21:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-59587024 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As my father says: "it's better to leave the dinner table with a little = bit of appetite" > On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon" = wrote: > It's better to leave your audience wishing you played > longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner. >=20 --Apple-Mail-5-59587024 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii As my father says: "it's better to leave the dinner table with a little bit of appetite"

On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
 It's better to leave your audience wishing you played
longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner.


--Apple-Mail-5-59587024-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 22:52:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09BCA18345A; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_USrnLUVicvYygicX2Ej3Ug)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-29_06:2012-02-29,2012-02-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202290229 References: <087CC1C6-00B5-4E7B-8E4F-E0BA6F30E4E7@alice.it> In-reply-to: <087CC1C6-00B5-4E7B-8E4F-E0BA6F30E4E7@alice.it> Message-id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Set Length! (Was: Keeping your sets interesting) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:52:09 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:52:12 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_USrnLUVicvYygicX2Ej3Ug) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT What if your music sounds like food and your audience is very fat and hungry? Teddy http://teddyjam.com On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Matteo Giudici wrote: > As my father says: "it's better to leave the dinner table with a little bit of appetite" > >> On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon" wrote: >> It's better to leave your audience wishing you played >> longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner. >> > --Boundary_(ID_USrnLUVicvYygicX2Ej3Ug) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
What if your music sounds like food and your audience is very fat and hungry?

Teddy

On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Matteo Giudici <ligeti@alice.it> wrote:

As my father says: "it's better to leave the dinner table with a little bit of appetite"

On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
 It's better to leave your audience wishing you played
longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner.


--Boundary_(ID_USrnLUVicvYygicX2Ej3Ug)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 22:52:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A55B6183462; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of billowhead@gmail.com designates 10.180.78.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.78.6; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of billowhead@gmail.com designates 10.180.78.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=billowhead@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=billowhead@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yNSyV07lWiTxA8BIbPBjyfQtX0EnzRIYtF67Py/NeVw=; b=aLYE+yHyucUaEpApt7bXMhEtlKXNV2WV+kQL1tw0hWFj3HQxDp1zBcR5oF3EruCfMd tGq7h753tv+Ip/W9tIOPV9eayaaWuMv2kt0xc7AB+GNdfcn1nz3ZFzlYLBG+u4OymEKk rOF9elGRYyQgSqiR9UoBAdtXQsaN7CHsCVnIY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <087CC1C6-00B5-4E7B-8E4F-E0BA6F30E4E7@alice.it> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:52:34 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Set Length! (Was: Keeping your sets interesting) From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Play on! Kevin On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > What if your music sounds like food and your audience is very fat and > hungry? > > Teddy > http://teddyjam.com > > On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Matteo Giudici wrote: > > As my father says: "it's better to leave the dinner table with a little b= it > of appetite" > > On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon" wrote: >> >> =A0It's better to leave your audience wishing you played >> longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner. >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 23:11:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DC6A18345E; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Matteo Giudici Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-62546487 Subject: Re: Set Length! (Was: Keeping your sets interesting) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 00:11:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <087CC1C6-00B5-4E7B-8E4F-E0BA6F30E4E7@alice.it> Message-Id: <29B42943-3AC2-4F98-BAB4-DEA48FD8F80C@alice.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:11:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-62546487 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do concerts only in "Lent Time". Il giorno 29/feb/2012, alle ore 23.52, Teddy Kumpel ha scritto: > What if your music sounds like food and your audience is very fat and = hungry? >=20 > Teddy > http://teddyjam.com >=20 > On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Matteo Giudici wrote: >=20 >> As my father says: "it's better to leave the dinner table with a = little bit of appetite" >>=20 >>> On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon" = wrote: >>> It's better to leave your audience wishing you played >>> longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner. >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-6-62546487 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I do concerts only in "Lent Time".

Il giorno 29/feb/2012, alle ore 23.52, Teddy Kumpel ha scritto:

What if your music sounds like food and your audience is very fat and hungry?

Teddy

On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Matteo Giudici <ligeti@alice.it> wrote:

As my father says: "it's better to leave the dinner table with a little bit of appetite"

On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
 It's better to leave your audience wishing you played
longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner.



--Apple-Mail-6-62546487-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 29 23:18:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32840183460; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.92.73 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.92.73; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.92.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B6q7SfMtkjgiRaEanqvZrlyFJD7gWsHfxdwvymjdHE4=; b=vhfVB42r+H1qBQ59JNpXUFesf/9N2xdk8BmhNpysHKpMrMsa9XZHabHlSE0KpNVPuM K01ncbcaEF94P7tp6BlQCSRxmyc8Z9QnuzUaqE3doH7/BrmOmdr+3Iv1W6Y/XyJcN47q oKIf6XaczDFEYjLiN5/U8Gf5SwcCzOq2sB87Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <087CC1C6-00B5-4E7B-8E4F-E0BA6F30E4E7@alice.it> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:18:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Set Length! (Was: Keeping your sets interesting) From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043892c51d6aeb04ba228fc8 Resent-Message-ID: <59K13D.A.mx.8IrTPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:18:20 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043892c51d6aeb04ba228fc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Treat them like McDonalds customers. Give them food that wont fully satisfy their appetite that way they always want more! On Feb 29, 2012 2:52 PM, "Teddy Kumpel" wrote: > What if your music sounds like food and your audience is very fat and > hungry? > > Teddy > http://teddyjam.com > > On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Matteo Giudici wrote: > > As my father says: "it's better to leave the dinner table with a little > bit of appetite" > > On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon" wrote: > >> It's better to leave your audience wishing you played >> longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner. >> >> > --f46d043892c51d6aeb04ba228fc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Treat them like McDonalds customers. Give them food that wont fully sati= sfy their appetite that way they always want more!

On Feb 29, 2012 2:52 PM, "Teddy Kumpel"= ; <teddykumpel@mac.com> wr= ote:
What if your music sounds like food and your = audience is very fat and hungry?

Teddy

On Feb= 29, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Matteo Giudici <ligeti@alice.it> wrote:

As my father says: &quo= t;it's better to leave the dinner table with a little bit of appetite&q= uot;

On Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM, "Matt Davignon&qu= ot; <mattdav= ignon@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0It's better to leave your audience wishing you played
longer than wishing you got off the stage sooner.


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