From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 08:26:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB3EB183454; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F00192E.6070905@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:28:30 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Happy New Year!! References: <3E4C30F4-A215-47EA-A52D-80279717B9E1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3E4C30F4-A215-47EA-A52D-80279717B9E1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Happy New Year to all on this übercool list ;) I've learned so much from my few years of reading on here. Best of times ahead to all of you! /van Todd Matthews wrote: > http://vimeo.com/34392921 > > May 2012 be a productive and prosperous year filled with happiness for > all loopers > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 18:59:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32C60183451; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 714147233/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.105/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.105 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsEDANKsAE9YbRlp/2dsb2JhbAAMN4IFrUgBAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBh3azcYh1gxoEmj6MeA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,441,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="714147233" Message-ID: <4F00AD1E.6090406@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:59:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Comparing 2 items of control. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:59:45 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Its between the Gordius Little Giant Footpedal > and an iPad operating thru the missing link and Touch OSC. > So, the Gordius will obviously be a total REPLACEMENT for the FC1010. > Hows the mac software looking? (the one thing Ive been using as an > excuse NOT to buy- I wont do a windows partition) > I know its possible to assign a string of commands, but how many? not sure if there is some limit, but it's certainly way larger than I'd ever use. Actually, you wouldn't have to put make 20 undo commands, you'd make one undo command, one delay and put them both in a loop (for 20 times, or till you hit another switch) > Can I for example have 10 UNDOs (note ons) seperated by 200 ms aye cap'n ...or you can have them separated based on midi time, either from the edp or the LG (tap tempo) >(believe > me... Ive read the F***** manual, not all things are obvious) If this is > the case, can one seperate these commands by a beat (midi clock) related > division, coming from the midi-IN jack??? yes, done that. ...and LG LEDs can be made to flash in time with the incoming beat >(I know this was NOT the case > a year or so ago, Im talking about updates to software here) AND > therfore be able to control the item (an EDP) that is also sending the > midi clock. > Im envisioning a possile midi loop situation here. Gordius controlling > Record and insert on EDP, sending clock to Gordius which can also send > out commands to EDP that are timed from the EDP's own clock. Im assuming > here that EVERYTHING arriving at the Gordius midi IN socket can be > stripped away (by Gordius, no intermediate box or expense) to allow ONLY > midi clock, no pgms or notes getting in. yup, can do > ...BUT ON THE OTHER HAND > > This iPad/Missing link combo. dunnow, expect it won't last as long as an LG, ..and you'll still want an LG > So nicer control of 2 EDPs, than the messy preset method. don't understand how OSC gives you that. ..it needs sysex, which of course is "easy enough" with LG andy (been away for a week) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 20:50:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15821183460; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RJArYY0jYy9nP21D3Y4U723zcdwJ87bsVMiDnvI/hcU=; b=dEfuHP0F80PlznAA1FJ5Z/9+IsRi7gh0Yr/KIRe6dUwZQXgG5Qqlpu7QnRk82fRTp/ UWul5J4l62U9dGgXfcaRsBVbcmkt+i1NceT49RMsLuxbgcufRAE3zZ6qEXuPdhRsKmbn AWD+2kJzVx/28xn6fw8Hhq/tkPJg1uIWMlPw8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:50:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: equipment for sale From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:50:20 +0000 (UTC) allright gang this is your opportunity to make up for those missing Xmas presents,treat yourself and your effects well: http://t-rex-effects.com/products/power-supplies-1/fueltank-juicy-lucy-1-2-3-4-5.aspx?VariantID power supply http://t-rex-effects.com/products/power-supplies-1/fueltank-juicy-lucy-1-2-3-4-5.aspx?VariantID in perfect condition used once 90.-eur. Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2 Plus http://www.voodoolab.com/pedalpower_2.htm also in perfect condition 150.-eur both in their original boxes will ship in europe thanx and happy 2012! -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 20:51:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B04A618345C; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QzjnmUL1+qy1EJkae7Bga7eiA0oEQ04fpcQqml1PRaw=; b=w6ngDk77jwHSeQP7nhZvt7M2j6IEF9hfoSm2VYDt+B9hkZu/VP9zRi1gPdS4yudzGp bMfVVsZejMexVWVeHdvWO+vxlJxqHA0HUMbmO1jchhi1dtikYf7hJjeGn3mn5JpraQy/ 5Y1IxP29g9GAKwFWytDL6Q9msaeRr5mZ6r8FQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:51:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: M9/M13 glitch issue From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cb3099ef7204b57da146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:51:34 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1cb3099ef7204b57da146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Any of you M9/M13 users run into this glitch? I noticed it a while back and now come to understand that others have it also. From the forums: "..discovered how to reproduce the glitching with 100% repeatability. Begin recording a loop by pressing REC/OD, then end loop by pressing REC/OD again. Then press REV and add new material to the loop. IF THE TIME BETWEEN PRESSING REC/OD THE 2ND TIME AND PRESSING REV IS SHORTER THAN THE LENGTH OF THE LOOP, THEN THE ADDED MATERIAL WILL PRODUCE THE GLITCHING. If the time between pressing Rec/OD the 2nd time and pressing REV is longer than the loop length, the new material will be glitch-free. This is easy to understand if you look at the jpg - 'M9 Looper - How to produce glitching'" http://line6.com/support/servlet/JiveServlet/download/192570-11362/ M9%20Looper%20-%20How%20to%20produce%20glitching%20.jpg The glitch is very degraded sound on any subsequent audio added if the buttons are pressed as per the picture. tanx! Jeff --e89a8ff1cb3099ef7204b57da146 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any of you M9/M13 users run into this glitch? I noticed it a while back and now come to understand that others have it also. From the forums:

=20 "..discovered how to reproduce the glitching with 100% repeatability. = =20 Begin recording a loop by pressing REC/OD, then end loop by pressing =20 REC/OD again. Then press REV and add new material to the loop. IF THE TIME BETWEEN PRESSING REC/OD THE 2ND TIME AND PRESSING REV IS SHORTER=20 THAN THE LENGTH OF THE LOOP, THEN THE ADDED MATERIAL WILL PRODUCE THE=20 GLITCHING. If the time between pressing Rec/OD the 2nd time and=20 pressing REV is longer than the loop length, the new material will be=20 glitch-free. This is easy to understand if you look at the jpg - 'M9 = =20 Looper - How to produce glitching'"

http://line6.com/support/servlet/JiveServlet/download/192570-11362/M9%20Looper%2= 0-%20How%20to%20produce%20glitchin= g%20.jpg

The glitch is very degraded sound on any subsequent audio added if the b= uttons are pressed as per the picture.

tanx!


Jef= f


--e89a8ff1cb3099ef7204b57da146-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 06:44:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AF3C18345F; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 315 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:44:09 UTC From: Loren Claypool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MainStage looping Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:38:50 -0600 Message-Id: <12517CE6-25C6-41A2-A923-563315D10F24@theclaypools.com> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Happy New Year! I converted my software-based looping rig to MainStage = v2.2 running on a Mac mini 2.0GHz quad-core Intel Core i7, 8 GB, OS X = 10.7.2. I'm running the audio through an Apogee Duet 2 at 24/88.2. My = foot controller consists of a Tech 21 MIDI Moose with a Boss FV-500L = expression pedal routed through a MIDI Solutions Pedal Controller into a = Motu FastLane-USB. I am using MidiPipe to hijack the stream and convert = program change to note on/off to control the Loopback plugin. The core = template I created has three separate loopers. I've been playing with = the setup quite a bit and it's been rock solid and sounds great. Anyone = else on the list looping in MainStage? All the best, Loren Claypool genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 08:43:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD6AD18345E; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 08:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zgdp9YmsoiC9v14BTy8SuPctgBWR1WT5abqxUSgE1QQ=; b=t38bHkf7DrSqr8V0y9AHlg93fTp7nUblRk2fTg/YwUpWqGfQ0kokhVCOi/x4hpRl08 47/UqQnsB7Lphr6lD4+AQtq1jwDd3u+yNgcu6xdpKKm5RiyWo6Ad0WUZE2iULRE2Ewhb w9UJG7tUhtiViDkdBl4/FgGeMRRxWDfOoWbl4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:43:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: M9/M13 glitch issue From: Johannes Korn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bf1ca4a7f9804b587922c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 08:43:08 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bf1ca4a7f9804b587922c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Jeff, yes, I have the same issue with my M13. Happy new year to all! Johannes 2012/1/1 Jeff Duke > Any of you M9/M13 users run into this glitch? I noticed it a while back > and now come to understand that others have it also. From the forums: > > "..discovered how to reproduce the glitching with 100% repeatability. > Begin recording a loop by pressing REC/OD, then end loop by pressing REC/OD > again. Then press REV and add new material to the loop. IF THE TIME BETWEEN > PRESSING REC/OD THE 2ND TIME AND PRESSING REV IS SHORTER THAN THE LENGTH OF > THE LOOP, THEN THE ADDED MATERIAL WILL PRODUCE THE GLITCHING. If the time > between pressing Rec/OD the 2nd time and pressing REV is longer than the > loop length, the new material will be glitch-free. This is easy to > understand if you look at the jpg - 'M9 Looper - How to produce glitching'" > http://line6.com/support/servlet/JiveServlet/download/192570-11362/ > M9%20Looper%20-%20How%20to%20produce%20glitching%20.jpg > > The glitch is very degraded sound on any subsequent audio added if the > buttons are pressed as per the picture. > > tanx! > > > Jeff > > > -- jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com www.myspace.com/nashorn --0015174bf1ca4a7f9804b587922c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff,

yes, I have the same issue with my M13.

Happy new year to all!
Johannes


2012/1/1 Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com>
Any of you M9/M13 users run into this glitch? I noticed it a while back and now come to understand that others have it also. From the forums:

=20 "..discovered how to reproduce the glitching with 100% repeatability. = =20 Begin recording a loop by pressing REC/OD, then end loop by pressing =20 REC/OD again. Then press REV and add new material to the loop. IF THE TIME BETWEEN PRESSING REC/OD THE 2ND TIME AND PRESSING REV IS SHORTER=20 THAN THE LENGTH OF THE LOOP, THEN THE ADDED MATERIAL WILL PRODUCE THE=20 GLITCHING. If the time between pressing Rec/OD the 2nd time and=20 pressing REV is longer than the loop length, the new material will be=20 glitch-free. This is easy to understand if you look at the jpg - 'M9 = =20 Looper - How to produce glitching'"

http://line6.com/support/servlet/JiveServlet/download/192570-11362/= M9%20Looper%20-%20How%20to%20produce%20glitching%20.jpg

The glitch is very degraded sound on any subsequent audio added if the b= uttons are pressed as per the picture.

tanx!


Jeff





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--0015174bf1ca4a7f9804b587922c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 10:41:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC2AE18345A; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 10:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:41:56 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_eb296e27-2b95-4315-a8be-df3c4cd9e8b3_" X-Originating-IP: [101.115.144.83] From: nat grant To: Subject: Momentum Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:36:55 +1100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2012 10:36:55.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[72CB1620:01CCC93A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 10:41:56 +0000 (UTC) --_eb296e27-2b95-4315-a8be-df3c4cd9e8b3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy New Year everyone :) I'd like to share a new looping project with you all=2C one I'll be working= on all year: http://momentumproject.blogspot.com It's a cumulative composition=3B I'll add a bit=2C mix and post everyday - = you can subscribe for email updates or just check in occasionally=2C and I'= d love it if anyone would like to respond with their own tracks (there's a = soundcloud dropbox on the site)=2C or re-mix any of mine. All will be archi= ved and free to download and share. Thanks=2C in advance=2C for listening - I'm really excited about this! Nat. ------------------------ www.natgrantmusic.com = --_eb296e27-2b95-4315-a8be-df3c4cd9e8b3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happy New Year everyone :)

I'd like to share a new looping project w= ith you all=2C one I'll be working on all year:

http://momentumpr= oject.blogspot.com

It's a cumulative composition=3B I'll add a b= it=2C mix and post everyday - you can subscribe for email updates or just c= heck in occasionally=2C and I'd love it if anyone would like to respond wit= h their own tracks (there's a soundcloud dropbox on the site)=2C or re-mix = any of mine. All will be archived and free to download and share.

Th= anks=2C in advance=2C for listening - I'm really excited about this!
Nat.

 =3B ------------------------
www.natgrantmusic.com
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= --_eb296e27-2b95-4315-a8be-df3c4cd9e8b3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 11:01:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8501C18345C; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 480 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:01:07 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d7e799c5-6ed4-4dff-a20d-f6428f8e05a7_" X-Originating-IP: [101.115.144.83] From: nat grant To: Subject: Momentum Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:53:06 +1100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2012 10:53:07.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5CB92E0:01CCC93C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:01:07 +0000 (UTC) --_d7e799c5-6ed4-4dff-a20d-f6428f8e05a7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy New Year everyone :) I'd like to share a new looping project with you all=2C one I'll be working= on all year: http://momentumproject.blogspot.com It's a cumulative composition=3B I'll add a bit=2C mix and post everyday - = you can subscribe for email updates or just check in occasionally=2C and I'= d love it if anyone would like to respond with their own tracks (there's a = soundcloud dropbox on the site)=2C or re-mix any of mine. All will be archi= ved and free to download and share. Thanks=2C in advance=2C for listening - I'm really excited about this! Nat. ------------------------ www.natgrantmusic.com = --_d7e799c5-6ed4-4dff-a20d-f6428f8e05a7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happy New Year everyone :)

I'd like to share a= new looping project with you all=2C one I'll be working on all year:
http://momentumproject.blogspot.com

It's a cumulative compo= sition=3B I'll add a bit=2C mix and post everyday - you can subscribe for e= mail updates or just check in occasionally=2C and I'd love it if anyone wou= ld like to respond with their own tracks (there's a soundcloud dropbox on t= he site)=2C or re-mix any of mine. All will be archived and free to downloa= d and share.

Thanks=2C in advance=2C for listening - I'm really exci= ted about this!

Nat.

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= --_d7e799c5-6ed4-4dff-a20d-f6428f8e05a7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 11:04:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DA3B183460; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MRC3qlJQyHjpPL3aNrafiQLarqaiDyB2uuN+w5tRkHk=; b=RIlTl5RTKmUSKkMUX1Cb5K4J/DAzX8el2o5c1NUc7DfFd+v8mTAG8s7toDF0vMOTKd 163gmLPF/0PXptUwcRim1uSL3TCwKq73ooZgS1OMU3/kr5cAXz+KVIroek9gPZeCYWhD F9pZa3SaF/TBRwPolGMGNIp8r0bdONn+5X3x8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <12517CE6-25C6-41A2-A923-563315D10F24@theclaypools.com> References: <12517CE6-25C6-41A2-A923-563315D10F24@theclaypools.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:04:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MainStage looping From: Per Boysen To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:04:13 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Loren Claypool wr= ote: > Happy New Year! I converted my software-based looping rig to MainStage v2= .2 running on a Mac mini 2.0GHz quad-core Intel Core i7, 8 GB, OS X 10.7.2.= I'm running the audio through an Apogee Duet 2 at 24/88.2. My foot control= ler consists of a Tech 21 MIDI Moose with a Boss FV-500L expression pedal r= outed through a MIDI Solutions Pedal Controller into a Motu FastLane-USB. I= am using MidiPipe to hijack the stream and convert program change to note = on/off to control the Loopback plugin. The core template I created has thre= e separate loopers. I've been playing with the setup quite a bit and it's b= een rock solid and sounds great. Anyone else on the list looping in MainSta= ge? Yes. I too made a Loopback setup to test out the looper. Looked like http://www.looproom.com/mainstage/MSloopback5set.png I like that Loopback is so configurable - just like the Mainstage graphics are - but I didn't like that Loopback's fade-out function deletes the loop; I'd rather be able to have it stay looping in silence and then fade in to come back later. Generally I prefer to arm Mainstage with the third-party looping plugin Mobius. Its code is not fully following the AU protocol but is possible to use anyway if you simply neglect the warnings. Right now I'm looping with Mobius in Ableton Live, but I can't get as good sound that way as with Mainstage so after this Ableton gig I will be happy to boot Mainstage again to work on the pile of ideas that has clogged up lately. Except for the general good fidelity I especially like the ring modulator effect available in Mainstage - no other software RM sounds that good to me. But if you like a good Octavia tone (for string instruments, Hendrix Purple Haze solo is a typical example) there isn't one such in Mainstage, so I use the third-party plugin Ampitube 3 from IK Multimedia only for their superb Octavia (yes, I do own the physical Roger Mayer pedal and that's my reference here). Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 11:30:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859C018345D; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 717477206/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.20.126/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.20.126 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiwMAJeUAU9YbRR+/2dsb2JhbAAMOIIFrUkBAQEDATg2CgYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcARCHZrQOiHWDGgSPP4p/jHg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,444,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="717477206" Message-ID: <4F01955B.1080607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:30:35 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:30:37 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > So, I am slightly confused. What exactly is the point of the 2 seperate > groups here? > but I ask.. (imagine "Sex in the City" question typing voice here) try it with "Kung Fu" (seventies series heavy on Taoism) > "Master, are not the two Facebook sites just serving exactly the same purpose?" you'd have to ask Matthias why he revived the redundant site > Do people like it as it is, in which case, fine, just please explain to > me the difference? I think it's a really bad idea to keep 2 FB groups going. The only difference is the name. Sylvain Poitras wrote: > 2- message archiving is no longer controlled by someone from the community It never was. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 14:03:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B610518345E; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:03:05 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d2fac0a3-b35e-43d1-8906-7fa03a3aacc7_" X-Originating-IP: [201.216.211.145] From: Gabriel Cichero To: Subject: RE: Momentum Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 10:58:04 -0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2012 13:58:04.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C331470:01CCC956] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:03:05 +0000 (UTC) --_d2fac0a3-b35e-43d1-8906-7fa03a3aacc7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Nat=2C Very good that you are excited about what you are doing. I heard Day 2 and at this moment=2C Day 1. Nice idea to share or re-mix=2C i will keep on mind. The best to you. Gabrielbs.as.Argentina From: natskyplaysdrums@hotmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Subject: Momentum Date: Mon=2C 2 Jan 2012 21:36:55 +1100 Happy New Year everyone :) I'd like to share a new looping project with you all=2C one I'll be working= on all year: http://momentumproject.blogspot.com It's a cumulative composition=3B I'll add a bit=2C mix and post everyday - = you can subscribe for email updates or just check in occasionally=2C and I'= d love it if anyone would like to respond with their own tracks (there's a = soundcloud dropbox on the site)=2C or re-mix any of mine. All will be archi= ved and free to download and share. Thanks=2C in advance=2C for listening - I'm really excited about this! Nat. ------------------------ www.natgrantmusic.com = --_d2fac0a3-b35e-43d1-8906-7fa03a3aacc7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Nat=2C

Very good that you are excited about what = you are doing.

I heard Day 2 and at this moment=2C= Day 1.

Nice idea to share or re-mix=2C i will kee= p on mind.

The best to you.

Gabriel
bs.as.
Argentina


Fr= om: natskyplaysdrums@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com<= br>Subject: Momentum
Date: Mon=2C 2 Jan 2012 21:36:55 +1100

Happy New Year everyone :)

I'd like to share a new looping project w= ith you all=2C one I'll be working on all year:

http://momentumpr= oject.blogspot.com

It's a cumulative composition=3B I'll add a b= it=2C mix and post everyday - you can subscribe for email updates or just c= heck in occasionally=2C and I'd love it if anyone would like to respond wit= h their own tracks (there's a soundcloud dropbox on the site)=2C or re-mix = any of mine. All will be archived and free to download and share.

Th= anks=2C in advance=2C for listening - I'm really excited about this!
Nat.

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www.natgrantmusic.com
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= --_d2fac0a3-b35e-43d1-8906-7fa03a3aacc7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 14:11:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E389183454; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_14e25d53-9048-425c-9704-23ec6971e2b0_" X-Originating-IP: [201.216.211.145] From: Gabriel Cichero To: Subject: RE: Momentum Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:11:24 -0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2012 14:11:23.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[68CE7E50:01CCC958] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:11:25 +0000 (UTC) --_14e25d53-9048-425c-9704-23ec6971e2b0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The best for your commitment. Gabriel. From: natskyplaysdrums@hotmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Subject: Momentum Date: Mon=2C 2 Jan 2012 21:36:55 +1100 Happy New Year everyone :) I'd like to share a new looping project with you all=2C one I'll be working= on all year: http://momentumproject.blogspot.com It's a cumulative composition=3B I'll add a bit=2C mix and post everyday - = you can subscribe for email updates or just check in occasionally=2C and I'= d love it if anyone would like to respond with their own tracks (there's a = soundcloud dropbox on the site)=2C or re-mix any of mine. All will be archi= ved and free to download and share. Thanks=2C in advance=2C for listening - I'm really excited about this! Nat. ------------------------ www.natgrantmusic.com = --_14e25d53-9048-425c-9704-23ec6971e2b0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The best for your commitment.

Gabriel.

From: natskyplaysd= rums@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com
Subject: Mome= ntum
Date: Mon=2C 2 Jan 2012 21:36:55 +1100

Happy New Year everyone :)

I'd like to share a new looping project w= ith you all=2C one I'll be working on all year:

http://momentumpr= oject.blogspot.com

It's a cumulative composition=3B I'll add a b= it=2C mix and post everyday - you can subscribe for email updates or just c= heck in occasionally=2C and I'd love it if anyone would like to respond wit= h their own tracks (there's a soundcloud dropbox on the site)=2C or re-mix = any of mine. All will be archived and free to download and share.

Th= anks=2C in advance=2C for listening - I'm really excited about this!
Nat.

 =3B ------------------------
www.natgrantmusic.com
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= --_14e25d53-9048-425c-9704-23ec6971e2b0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 14:21:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E60418345C; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=w3Aj8qICkPTgFdBWq9oVUz0PQEeZCOnTemj2cf4mRMs=; b=YEZOnCxLaGs18kYaBiashgnQSg0YjAp44z/k91naseLz151CJQm5Zh0SaTLyz61Lgf Gbp/b64XULKvpP+Ul9EGPfdvYW1UCN9yLrBztRyuxjXB7+2m7sGpoR2omlzrAgrMUBIZ JaL1q8hESmsVUsn5d6vcLSf9RT/7opuy2Fs/c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <12517CE6-25C6-41A2-A923-563315D10F24@theclaypools.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MainStage looping From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:21:44 +0000 (UTC) I'm using mainstage for its effects and instruments. I run bidule+mobius side by side and send audio in and out of mainstage as required to apply effects. I do it this way because I have some fairly complex bidule patches that give me functionality I wouldn't be able to replicate in mainstage (allows me to use trombone notes both as muscial building blocks and as control signal to mess up the loops in mobius... I play the loops with my horn). I haven't had any problems yet with this set-up, but it makes me nervous to have so many software running at the same time. I'm quite happy with the mainstage effects, they're quite the bargain at $30... (the sampler is not too bad either and the synths sound fine) I haven't played with loopback at all. I need two things from my loopper: ability to trigger the loop from anywhere (or enough different positions) in the loop and ability to change playback rate. Both of these should be controllable by midi notes. I've only had a cursory look at loopback, but I don't think it does the first (actually, I haven't found a software looper other than Mobius that could do it). Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 19:50:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8521318345F; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2816 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:50:16 UTC Message-ID: <4F01FF70.8030102@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:03:12 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nat grant CC: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Subject: Re: Momentum References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Dear Nat, Are you familiar with Michael Peter's MY2K project? http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/my2k-sound-diary-for-2000 You would resonate with it given your description of your project. Good luck, I look forward to hearing what you create. Happy New Years!!!! love, Rick On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nat grant wrote: > Happy New Year everyone :) > > I'd like to share a new looping project with you all, one I'll be > working on all year: > > *http://momentumproject.blogspot.com* > > It's a cumulative composition; I'll add a bit, mix and post everyday - > you can subscribe for email updates or just check in occasionally, and > I'd love it if anyone would like to respond with their own tracks > (there's a soundcloud dropbox on the site), or re-mix any of mine. All > will be archived and free to download and share. > > Thanks, in advance, for listening - I'm really excited about this! > > Nat. > > ------------------------ > www.natgrantmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 23:41:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE1118345C; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mD1B6qSlBGJTMB93ThvRfgNqTQJKLxFmvYR+5nQAKcU=; b=qObf+GPcmEMdAVtxm/wiJuSkDw8RE8ExnqsE372doC4KGaoreTCg7T/mhJNpLcwYWn dyhls9cSmOnhEtG6xI7q3qaXIxSoNFbk67fRu3odfK12TyCtIfgVRUEmtNIL5fJM55Zz h3y8Wr/X5ZomvNAbWny0P6FqRYFGe5cCt12Is= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:40:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: OT/SPAM: Moog MP201 From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Hey! Selling my Moog MP-201 Multi-Controller. It's in good condition, and comes with the manual/power adapter. $375 ship/pp in the continental U.S. Hope everyone is doing well in 2012 so far! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 02:47:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D812218345E; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: MainStage looping Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4263562F-A79C-4062-BE48-C72F803F007B" From: Loren Claypool In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:47:17 -0600 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: References: <12517CE6-25C6-41A2-A923-563315D10F24@theclaypools.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: <54jN3C.A.FNG.5wmAPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:47:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_4263562F-A79C-4062-BE48-C72F803F007B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Per, The fade-out function in Loopback didn't set well with me either, so I = used the clear function instead with the compromise of manual fading. = I've been using SooperLooper in Live for the last couple of years or so. = I haven't been unhappy with that set up, but was never thrilled with it. = I'm pretty excited with the MainStage config at this point. I'll have to = try the RM effect in MS, thanks for the tip. All the best, Loren Claypool genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there On Jan 2, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > Yes. I too made a Loopback setup to test out the looper. Looked like > http://www.looproom.com/mainstage/MSloopback5set.png > I like that Loopback is so configurable - just like the Mainstage > graphics are - but I didn't like that Loopback's fade-out function > deletes the loop; I'd rather be able to have it stay looping in > silence and then fade in to come back later. Generally I prefer to arm > Mainstage with the third-party looping plugin Mobius. Its code is not > fully following the AU protocol but is possible to use anyway if you > simply neglect the warnings. Right now I'm looping with Mobius in > Ableton Live, but I can't get as good sound that way as with Mainstage > so after this Ableton gig I will be happy to boot Mainstage again to > work on the pile of ideas that has clogged up lately. Except for the > general good fidelity I especially like the ring modulator effect > available in Mainstage - no other software RM sounds that good to me. > But if you like a good Octavia tone (for string instruments, Hendrix > Purple Haze solo is a typical example) there isn't one such in > Mainstage, so I use the third-party plugin Ampitube 3 from IK > Multimedia only for their superb Octavia (yes, I do own the physical > Roger Mayer pedal and that's my reference here). >=20 > Per Boysen >=20 --Apple-Mail=_4263562F-A79C-4062-BE48-C72F803F007B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
All the = best,

Loren = Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental guitar = music
www.lorenclaypool.com and = links from there



On Jan 2, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Per Boysen = wrote:

Yes. I too made = a Loopback setup to test out the looper. Looked like
http://www.l= ooproom.com/mainstage/MSloopback5set.png
I like that Loopback is = so configurable - just like the Mainstage
graphics are - but I didn't = like that Loopback's  fade-out function
deletes the loop; I'd = rather be able to have it stay looping in
silence and then fade in to = come back later. Generally I prefer to arm
Mainstage with the = third-party looping plugin Mobius. Its code is not
fully following = the AU protocol but is possible to use anyway if you
simply neglect = the warnings. Right now I'm looping with Mobius in
Ableton Live, but = I can't get as good sound that way as with Mainstage
so after this = Ableton gig I will be happy to boot Mainstage again to
work on the = pile of ideas that has clogged up lately. Except for the
general good = fidelity I especially like the ring modulator effect
available in = Mainstage - no other software RM sounds that good to me.
But if you = like a good Octavia tone (for string instruments, Hendrix
Purple Haze = solo is a typical  example) there isn't one such in
Mainstage, = so I use the third-party plugin Ampitube 3 from IK
Multimedia only = for their superb Octavia (yes, I do own the physical
Roger Mayer = pedal and that's my reference here).

Per = Boysen


= --Apple-Mail=_4263562F-A79C-4062-BE48-C72F803F007B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 07:56:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897A518345F; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TlHMUIpi4ioXX4IPIfXJb67xe+CIIqsQ7B5dOd0owCI=; b=AfRsKwDqP1Mn6xlEPDib5WneXVLhGLbhtxyd2F+w73Fz/l73+HtpwBmPMnVFeCLIc4 IjyRquCpEaRhIiwG/oZF/6nsoqjKh1lAh/Rc1QRZKG7aLBgbIqhHnR997iwtg6Xgc5in uRcCGwibYc8mQWOL7UTjVvhr8xdweasTXrg70= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <12517CE6-25C6-41A2-A923-563315D10F24@theclaypools.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:55:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MainStage looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:56:00 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Loren Claypool wrote: > . I'll have to try the RM effect in MS, thanks for the tip. "Roswell Ringer" I think it's called. To be found inside the Pedalboard plugin. There is also the Ring Shifter, but I don't like that as much for live string instruments, but it's great for mixing (in Logic; same plugin tools). Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 08:15:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21D5318345E; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1325578509; bh=vzdhD8polOkK5ihFL+6/cISl5teR5m4Q1ZJ4RwXCJfs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=WI6HPFoKUXLMtVaO8ESa0tbDKpGdY5XhQMrrJycfbtjtwCL3mGFvFUiOvVGw8ZGL+9c+3bDFSFMbP8fB8NGNYAh8iNRkJM8qUh9evnkvKatuNj17k1kYOAzmfI/Agge8f7REfVwfQhTSYvURIa7Ifr9iCIfDArxvYU5FWMvsfYQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 808566.82466.bm@smtp138.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xLu4D1gVM1lQNc2EPWszCSL_S._8x6SIl0tinQGV_rmFGId oo6AHbFtFUJqlwbhfk.KK.hm7uBijBly89AmW5JPaZ4zN8P3jmiBnONpfHoQ 4XGGA5tqU.9DEoiJtNgovFj6xyV8i7axGy.nbVxGdv6guTwrpXd8sj5q7lM0 vht0gEOk2VacqNwXxTPXqrtNzx7NqGPqLAA1Hymaw6clmlq0ieZmzVKpXjeH DRAjRV2gYHAzxZrnuEptqcZq3PyylPF5Pl3oqdSbeD97oqkAsQMUwAvFHW46 DgfjZM_wyrNBTAK4PTgwUkUVIMloM2MXlWzX3Xwgbcegk9cWDLgrT8pQMbbE iLJDn6YclBn_y7OQxKD_HZDXEXsEJWdJGkeRyfUPiFJMifvZNvQ3xuHO8FZy xqYWGenOf56sdUH8HbraWNpglt6MWzNTrs2ht0_d9BbCIslBcBe9uODcLsUz 37MTcrfMn1hUlE3uPmLhyVL6oFbgUzsOf6n4- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:15:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Happy New Year!! In-Reply-To: <3E4C30F4-A215-47EA-A52D-80279717B9E1@gmail.com> References: <3E4C30F4-A215-47EA-A52D-80279717B9E1@gmail.com> Message-Id: <20120103091509.EEB2E500.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: <3hSEs.A.GNB.OkrAPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:15:10 +0000 (UTC) A bit late perhaps: but I wish you all the best for the new year. Let your creativity flows. Spend a max of time with your family and friends. Enjoy every single moment of pleasure, record it (in you memory, on a peace of paper, in you camera, in your looper, ...), keep it looping and share ... Ben. (I'm not sure everything is correctly written in good english but I hope you'll get the idea :-) -------------------------------------------------- Todd Matthews wrote: (31/12/2011 12:49) > http://vimeo.com/34392921 > > May 2012 be a productive and prosperous year filled with happiness for all loopers > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 13:41:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2990C18345D; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus (mint) Thread-Topic: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus (mint) Thread-Index: AQHMyh1Z3zDo6z3txkS2U8zLua+o5w== Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:41:08 +0000 Message-ID: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B9375@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA3609D18B@005-TK5MPN1-012.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> In-Reply-To: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA3609D18B@005-TK5MPN1-012.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.143.49.29] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B9375005TK5MPN1013MGDA_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:41:12 +0000 (UTC) --_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B9375005TK5MPN1013MGDA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have reduced the price on this and listed it on EBay. Opening bid is $600. "Buy It Now" price is $670. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Plus-/250964819263?pt=3DLH_Def= aultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem3a6eab3d3f Glenn From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:17 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: FS: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus (mint) Hi all, I am selling a mint condition Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. I have two but these days I am only using one and was keeping the other as = a spare. I've since decided to just let it go though and have opted to sell= the one that has seen the least amount of use. The only sign that it has e= ver left the box is some blemishes around the rack ears. The unit came with Loop IV already installed. The manual is a Loop III manu= al with the Loop IV addendum. There is no foot pedal. I am asking $700 plus shipping. If you're interested, please email me at: glenn at poorman dot ws I will be putting a page with a photo up on my website later today (www.det= roitstick.com). Later in the week, it goes to EBay if I don't hear anything. Thanks, Glenn Poorman --_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B9375005TK5MPN1013MGDA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have reduced the pri= ce on this and listed it on EBay.

 

Opening bid is $600. &= #8220;Buy It Now” price is $670.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Echoplex-Digital-Pro-P= lus-/250964819263?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem3a6eab3d3f

 

Glenn

 

From: Glenn Po= orman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:17 AM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: FS: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus (mint)

 

Hi all,

 

I am selling a mint condition Echoplex Digital Pro P= lus.

 

I have two but these days I am only using one and wa= s keeping the other as a spare. I’ve since decided to just let it go = though and have opted to sell the one that has seen the least amount of use= . The only sign that it has ever left the box is some blemishes around the rack ears.

 

The unit came with Loop IV already installed. The ma= nual is a Loop III manual with the Loop IV addendum. There is no foot pedal= .

 

I am asking $700 plus shipping. If you’re inte= rested, please email me at:

 

glenn at poorman dot ws

 

I will be putting a page with a photo up on my websi= te later today (www.detroitstick.co= m).

 

Later in the week, it goes to EBay if I don’t = hear anything.

 

Thanks,

Glenn Poorman

--_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B9375005TK5MPN1013MGDA_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 14:35:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9F0018345E; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=b2eOipLu0weA0WJjdUGJBCih+sspU6Eod2RS3WcqDzI=; b=JEnSFGz/Va328MTIwMY5jaucAWtkHuUWgxjscsSZDSkX6DPUqc8xK4vnB78AT+u1a9 bGiibM1gyx3IYPTLNnsK2n4KtE/YYAEXIS5B6HFk9MilyvlkEhgyVfwJnAXHNE5zKkDh fn2FWN9hgbdxxDEC3f7+UyvcQofScBy+UYPOg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:35:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Switching instruments while looping From: Fabio Katz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3bb08d55902304b5a09d6a Resent-Message-ID: <6hGHd.A.e-D.FJxAPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:35:49 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3bb08d55902304b5a09d6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everybody, I am new to this forum! For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound variety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, each contributing its natural sound. Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys think. Thanks! Fabio --e89a8f3bb08d55902304b5a09d6a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody,

I am new to this forum!

For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a= wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound vari= ety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instrument= s, each contributing its natural sound.

Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and = let me know what you guys think.

Thanks!
Fabio
--e89a8f3bb08d55902304b5a09d6a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 15:38:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F1518345D; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Switching instruments while looping Thread-Topic: Switching instruments while looping Thread-Index: AQHMyiT/uDcf/d4fXkGKPSlf7YBPMZX6xJ9g Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:37:55 +0000 Message-ID: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.143.49.29] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B005TK5MPN1013MGDA_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:38:13 +0000 (UTC) --_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B005TK5MPN1013MGDA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fabio, Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing "Fuga Y = Mysterio" on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on occas= ion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings. These days I perform with both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. I've= worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instruments. That= way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switching fro= m one to the other. Glenn From: Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Switching instruments while looping Hi everybody, I am new to this forum! For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a wide r= ange (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound variety. La= tely I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, each= contributing its natural sound. Please check out this video I made looping wit= h ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys think. Thanks! Fabio --_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B005TK5MPN1013MGDA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Fabio,

 <= /p>

Wow! Way back around 1999= or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing “Fuga Y Mysterio” on = Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on occasion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings.

 <= /p>

These days I perform with= both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. I’ve worked up a small = handful of looped pieces that use both instruments. That way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switching from one = to the other.

 <= /p>

Glenn

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: Fabio Ka= tz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Switching instruments while looping

 

Hi everybody,

 

I am new to this forum!

 

For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman St= ick, which has a wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effect= s for sound variety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while swit= ching instruments, each contributing its natural sound.

 

Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar a= nd let me know what you guys think.

 

Thanks!

Fabio

--_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B005TK5MPN1013MGDA_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 16:13:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8EB718345B; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rpahDwUx7RCF0ZxH7FbeVMqFMkJbz43cxFAxWdkA+EI=; b=FTGHV7d0UwyCu6HGHS99d0dw3fxks5u4x5QOJH0qvWCmGEsXNw7x5YpEVAQ0OGzy8I AlY81bCHy9g6ittSH9Z1hBeoc9ORCVt6GyCEOi4qivTIrjqRW9tIfFMaGNK2X1BQVa/+ Ko0e2pns1/AIZVSBEtc25NnPW78XXw119RwOw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:12:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Are you running the echoplex in an aux of a mixer? How are you splitting the signal? This had got my head boppin side to side. On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Glenn Poorman wrote: > Hi Fabio, > > > > Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing =93Fug= a Y > Mysterio=94 on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on > occasion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings. > > > > These days I perform with both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. I= =92ve > worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instruments. Tha= t > way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switching fr= om > one to the other. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > From: Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Switching instruments while looping > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > I am new to this forum! > > > > For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a wide > range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound variety. > Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, > each contributing its natural sound. > > > > Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and acousti= c > guitar and let me know what you guys think. > > > > Thanks! > > Fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 17:09:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2524518345F; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7dNgalhZlTCFtqmpCsZ8eQXvpaFtAQ9n1QIqPWjTzvY=; b=KzGUusDWrlwz/exItyty6wy7OgdqVf0gIUGs2G0pPhPhQIBt9/STkZ1dBMf3d6RFI4 iuUhxXQzUDp98dKkrB6WAWoNJYAItHSwDMoYx1niqEPB3cEhR5UY2nuZowAaKsbTsL2J vGI70Q3RtM+guRybasOx0RlFBJ2kJSOcNXm2U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping From: Fabio Katz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83ac9f19c39204b5a2c486 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:09:47 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f83ac9f19c39204b5a2c486 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Glenn, Funny you mention "Fuga Y Misterio", I haven't performed that piece in a very long time and I am right now practising it for an upcoming live gig, relearning it from that old recording... I watched some of your performances on video and enjoyed them a lot, especially Sunday in Palm Spring , I really like how you build your loops with interleaving notes in empty spaces. Do you ever switch Sticks in the middle of a song? Fabio On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Glenn Poorman wrote: > Hi Fabio,**** > > ** ** > > Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing =93Fug= a Y > Mysterio=94 on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on > occasion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings.**** > > ** ** > > These days I perform with both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. > I=92ve worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instrumen= ts. > That way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switchi= ng > from one to the other.**** > > ** ** > > Glenn**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Switching instruments while looping**** > > ** ** > > Hi everybody,**** > > ** ** > > I am new to this forum!**** > > ** ** > > For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a wide > range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound variety. > Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, > each contributing its natural sound.**** > > ** ** > > Please check out this video I made looping > with ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys thin= k. > **** > > ** ** > > Thanks!**** > > Fabio**** > --e89a8f83ac9f19c39204b5a2c486 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Glenn,

Funny you mention "Fuga Y Misterio",= I haven't performed that piece in a very long time and I am right now= =A0practising=A0it for an upcoming live gig, relearning it from that old re= cording...

I watched some of your performances on video and enjoye= d them a lot, especially Sunday in = Palm Spring, I really like how you build your loops with interleaving n= otes in empty spaces.

Do you ever switch Sticks in the middle of a song?

Fabio

On Tue, Jan 3,= 2012 at 10:37 AM, Glenn Poorman <glenn.poorman@autodesk.com> wrote:<= br>

Hi Fabio,

=A0<= /p>

Wow! Way back around 1999= or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing =93Fuga Y Mysterio=94 on Stick an= d EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on occasion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings.

=A0<= /p>

These days I perform with= both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. I=92ve worked up a small hand= ful of looped pieces that use both instruments. That way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switching from one = to the other.

=A0<= /p>

Glenn

=A0<= /p>

=A0<= /p>

From: Fabio Ka= tz [mailto:katzfab= io@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Switching instruments while looping

=A0

Hi everybody,

=A0

I am new to this forum!

=A0

For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman St= ick, which has a wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effect= s for sound variety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while swit= ching instruments, each contributing its natural sound.

=A0

Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and= acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys think.

=A0

Thanks!

Fabio


--e89a8f83ac9f19c39204b5a2c486-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 17:18:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 098B4183461; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=00qstCcq13ioJeaZkpXDlsQGWC/Tir+j/gmY9ksbZqo=; b=QYN7HH6T24kPeK1E5MTGifhrUE2/fpoFmgQaJDRQnGKDM2tWYS6GN0ALZ0GHvTxyhn /1341toHfske7XpNg9of1RcGXroN0dLgQpUsqKxUOu4PDzCCLfyY10l3ahLWzN7oUY7H PMaIxl9Gams4HnAR1XMUDOHsz+n1XsKGtaC7g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:18:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping From: Fabio Katz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e88923155a204b5a2e2cd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:18:11 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e88923155a204b5a2e2cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Marcus, Yes, I am running the EDP from an aux out of the mixer. The output of the EDP goes back into a channel in the mixer and I panned it slightly to the right, while I panned the instruments slightly to the left. I run the output of the mixer directly to the Canon 60D I used to record the video, and I just trimmed it with QuickTime on my MBP, so practically no editing. I wanted a low effort way of recording loops to document what I am doing so it is easy for me to relearn it after a while... Cheers, Fabio On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM, marcus kirby wrote= : > Are you running the echoplex in an aux of a mixer? > > How are you splitting the signal? > > This had got my head boppin side to side. > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Glenn Poorman > wrote: > > Hi Fabio, > > > > > > > > Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing =93F= uga > Y > > Mysterio=94 on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on > > occasion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings. > > > > > > > > These days I perform with both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. > I=92ve > > worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instruments. > That > > way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switching > from > > one to the other. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Switching instruments while looping > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > I am new to this forum! > > > > > > > > For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a wi= de > > range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound variet= y. > > Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments= , > > each contributing its natural sound. > > > > > > > > Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and > acoustic > > guitar and let me know what you guys think. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Fabio > > --90e6ba6e88923155a204b5a2e2cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Marcus,

Yes, I am running the EDP from an aux out of = the mixer. =A0The output of the EDP goes back into a channel in the mixer a= nd I panned it slightly to the right, while I panned the instruments slight= ly to the left. =A0I run the output of the mixer directly to the Canon 60D = I used to record the video, and I just trimmed it with QuickTime on my MBP,= so practically no editing. =A0

I wanted a low effort way of recording loops to documen= t what I am doing so it is easy for me to relearn it after a while...
=

Cheers,
Fabio

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM, marcus kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Are you running the echoplex in an aux of a mixer?

How are you splitting the signal?

This had got my head boppin side to side.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Glenn Poorman
<glenn.poorman@autodesk.co= m> wrote:
> Hi Fabio,
>
>
>
> Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing =93= Fuga Y
> Mysterio=94 on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it o= n
> occasion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings.
>
>
>
> These days I perform with both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick.= I=92ve
> worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instruments. = That
> way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switching= from
> one to the other.
>
>
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfa= bio@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Switching instruments while looping
>
>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
>
>
> I am new to this forum!
>
>
>
> For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a w= ide
> range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound varie= ty.
> Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instrument= s,
> each contributing its natural sound.
>
>
>
> Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and acou= stic
> guitar and let me know what you guys think.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Fabio


--90e6ba6e88923155a204b5a2e2cd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 17:26:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8811F183462; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Ku/nEAItfOR78S0umPyBlSSe9XfqzEIIV+n3FtSv9z4=; b=VbepscLuwbjQYzbqdnQGQi6uimQZrfqnNZLpwnKgD7pPDJ5XKV2htaTfrtVNtjYKBh cc1SVErCrkL83IvD4jbvfxqgSRNilKoX509Vkb3PX4S9oeuhaNeogONs8oVXiunYc5cE W76EnIi7Rt+ufYAFe8YcuYIuLfhxFaOSpUELY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:25:54 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WuWZgMqn4OT30Z3yKh_UZ_vEub0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303ea7a80c7dd904b5a2ff04 Resent-Message-ID: <5Zi-pD.A.jFG.4ozAPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:26:16 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303ea7a80c7dd904b5a2ff04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My god!! I guess that's the best example of the exact opposite of what I do!! LOL! AND I LOVE IT! the stereo didnt work for me tho, I'd keep it in mono, for authenticity! mark On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Fabio Katz wrote: > Hi Marcus, > > Yes, I am running the EDP from an aux out of the mixer. The output of th= e > EDP goes back into a channel in the mixer and I panned it slightly to the > right, while I panned the instruments slightly to the left. I run the > output of the mixer directly to the Canon 60D I used to record the video, > and I just trimmed it with QuickTime on my MBP, so practically no editing= . > > I wanted a low effort way of recording loops to document what I am doing > so it is easy for me to relearn it after a while... > > Cheers, > Fabio > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM, marcus kirby wro= te: > >> Are you running the echoplex in an aux of a mixer? >> >> How are you splitting the signal? >> >> This had got my head boppin side to side. >> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Glenn Poorman >> wrote: >> > Hi Fabio, >> > >> > >> > >> > Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing >> =93Fuga Y >> > Mysterio=94 on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it o= n >> > occasion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings. >> > >> > >> > >> > These days I perform with both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. >> I=92ve >> > worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instruments. >> That >> > way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switching >> from >> > one to the other. >> > >> > >> > >> > Glenn >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: Switching instruments while looping >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi everybody, >> > >> > >> > >> > I am new to this forum! >> > >> > >> > >> > For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a >> wide >> > range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound >> variety. >> > Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instrument= s, >> > each contributing its natural sound. >> > >> > >> > >> > Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and >> acoustic >> > guitar and let me know what you guys think. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Fabio >> >> > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303ea7a80c7dd904b5a2ff04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My god!! I guess that's the best example of the exact opposite of what = I do!!
LOL!
AND I LOVE IT!
the stereo didnt work for me tho, I= 9;d keep it in mono, for authenticity!


mark


On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Fabio Katz <katzfabio@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hi Marcus,

Yes, I am running the EDP from an aux out of = the mixer. =A0The output of the EDP goes back into a channel in the mixer a= nd I panned it slightly to the right, while I panned the instruments slight= ly to the left. =A0I run the output of the mixer directly to the Canon 60D = I used to record the video, and I just trimmed it with QuickTime on my MBP,= so practically no editing. =A0

I wanted a low effort way of recording loops to documen= t what I am doing so it is easy for me to relearn it after a while...
=

Cheers,
Fabio


On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM, marcus kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you running the echoplex in an aux of a mixer?

How are you splitting the signal?

This had got my head boppin side to side.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Glenn Poorman
<glenn.p= oorman@autodesk.com> wrote:
> Hi Fabio,
>
>
>
> Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing =93= Fuga Y
> Mysterio=94 on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it o= n
> occasion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings.
>
>
>
> These days I perform with both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick.= I=92ve
> worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instruments. = That
> way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switching= from
> one to the other.
>
>
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Switching instruments while looping
>
>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
>
>
> I am new to this forum!
>
>
>
> For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a w= ide
> range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound varie= ty.
> Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instrument= s,
> each contributing its natural sound.
>
>
>
> Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and acou= stic
> guitar and let me know what you guys think.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Fabio





--
Mark Francom= be
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf303ea7a80c7dd904b5a2ff04-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:11:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1693183461; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Switching instruments while looping Thread-Topic: Switching instruments while looping Thread-Index: AQHMyiT/uDcf/d4fXkGKPSlf7YBPMZX6xJ9ggACiLwD//4maAA== Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:11:33 +0000 Message-ID: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B94FC@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.143.49.29] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B94FC005TK5MPN1013MGDA_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:11:37 +0000 (UTC) --_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B94FC005TK5MPN1013MGDA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fabio, Yes I have 2-3 tunes that start on one Stick and finish with the other. I'l= l strategically put them in my set so that I can make instrument switches w= ithout any dead time. It's fun and it also adds a nice sonic dimension to t= he tunes with the added range and timbre of the Alto instrument. I run my EDP in the FX loop of a line mixer also so in addition to the two = Sticks, I might mix some keyboard or MIDI Stick into the loop as well depen= ding on the gig. Glenn From: Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping Hi Glenn, Funny you mention "Fuga Y Misterio", I haven't performed that piece in a ve= ry long time and I am right now practising it for an upcoming live gig, rel= earning it from that old recording... I watched some of your performances on video and enjoyed them a lot, especi= ally Sunday in Palm Spring, I really like how = you build your loops with interleaving notes in empty spaces. Do you ever switch Sticks in the middle of a song? Fabio On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Glenn Poorman > wrote: Hi Fabio, Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing "Fuga Y = Mysterio" on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on occas= ion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings. These days I perform with both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. I've= worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instruments. That= way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switching fro= m one to the other. Glenn From: Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Switching instruments while looping Hi everybody, I am new to this forum! For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a wide r= ange (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound variety. La= tely I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, each= contributing its natural sound. Please check out this video I made looping wit= h ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys think. Thanks! Fabio --_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B94FC005TK5MPN1013MGDA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Fabio,

 <= /p>

Yes I have 2-3 tunes that= start on one Stick and finish with the other. I’ll strategically put= them in my set so that I can make instrument switches without any dead time. It’s fun and it also adds a nice sonic dimension to t= he tunes with the added range and timbre of the Alto instrument.=

 <= /p>

I run my EDP in the FX lo= op of a line mixer also so in addition to the two Sticks, I might mix some = keyboard or MIDI Stick into the loop as well depending on the gig.

 <= /p>

Glenn

 <= /p>

From: Fabio Ka= tz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:10 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping

 

Hi Glenn,

 

Funny you mention "Fuga Y Misterio", I hav= en't performed that piece in a very long time and I am right now pract= ising it for an upcoming live gig, relearning it from that old recordi= ng...

 

I watched some of your performances on video and enj= oyed them a lot, especially Sunday in Palm Spring, I really= like how you build your loops with interleaving notes in empty spaces.

 

Do you ever switch Sticks in the middle of a song?

 

Fabio

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Glenn Poorman <<= a href=3D"mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com">glenn.poorman@autodesk.com= > wrote:

Hi Fabio,

 

Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downl= oaded an MP3 of you playing “Fuga Y Mysterio” on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on occasion. That is one of my= favorite looped Stick recordings.

 

These days I perform with both a Grand = Stick as well as an Alto Stick. I’ve worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instruments. That way I can organize my set= s so that there is no dead air when switching from one to the other.=

 

Glenn

 

 

From: Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Switching instruments while looping

 

Hi everybody,

 

I am new to this forum!

 

For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has= a wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound va= riety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, each contributing its natural so= und.

 

Please check out this video I = made looping with ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what yo= u guys think.

 

Thanks!

Fabio

 

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Thanks Nat! I like it. Nothing like the sound= of a Hugh Tracey kalimba. Great seeing you again at PASIC. Will talk with = you soon about us collaborating in Australia..  Cheers  -Kev= in
--- On Mon, 1/2/12, nat grant <natskyplaysdrums= @hotmail.com> wrote:

From: nat grant <natskyplaysdrums@hotmail.com&= gt;
Subject: Momentum
To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com
Date:= Monday, January 2, 2012, 5:36 AM

Happy New Year everyone :)

I'd like to share a new lo= oping project with you all, one I'll be working on all year:

http= ://momentumproject.blogspot.com

It's a cumulative composition; I= 'll add a bit, mix and post everyday - you can subscribe for email updates = or just check in occasionally, and I'd love it if anyone would like to resp= ond with their own tracks (there's a soundcloud dropbox on the site), or re= -mix any of mine. All will be archived and free to download and share.
<= BR>Thanks, in advance, for listening - I'm really excited about this!
Nat.

  ------------------------
www.natgrantmusic.com
<= BR>
---2012143828-72443973-1325616349=:24637-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 20:13:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8169183461; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1q2eH1p9x/oxAazMMoD1qdRyy8F2KQKBMJ5LOLuYthw=; b=p5ct4fmBzViXXxDaTjSOgS8qmMYiOlmDLMPChj7UWpRAYgzoHGyfxbaLbn2/6oE+Q2 xFwP/Adw/Tm9nHZ27ka90olN7XVoiKnZD7ki+Xq1UAaTsIsK2V0taz2R5uiRjfAGsdXo jHh2Y8Qd0BaBab54EimaNp339tNFaBsmhA1XI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B94FC@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B94FC@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:13:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00235429c824ffb5bc04b5a5551a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:13:44 +0000 (UTC) --00235429c824ffb5bc04b5a5551a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The music from this era is so seldom heard, this had my head bopping but not on stereo, but with the grroooovvee! :-D Thanks for sharing! -Petri Lahtinen- 2012/1/3 Glenn Poorman > Hi Fabio,**** > > ** ** > > Yes I have 2-3 tunes that start on one Stick and finish with the other. > I=92ll strategically put them in my set so that I can make instrument > switches without any dead time. It=92s fun and it also adds a nice sonic > dimension to the tunes with the added range and timbre of the Alto > instrument.**** > > ** ** > > I run my EDP in the FX loop of a line mixer also so in addition to the tw= o > Sticks, I might mix some keyboard or MIDI Stick into the loop as well > depending on the gig.**** > > ** ** > > Glenn**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:10 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Switching instruments while looping**** > > ** ** > > Hi Glenn,**** > > ** ** > > Funny you mention "Fuga Y Misterio", I haven't performed that piece in a > very long time and I am right now practising it for an upcoming live gig, > relearning it from that old recording...**** > > ** ** > > I watched some of your performances on video and enjoyed them a lot, > especially Sunday in Palm Spring , I really > like how you build your loops with interleaving notes in empty spaces.***= * > > ** ** > > Do you ever switch Sticks in the middle of a song?**** > > ** ** > > Fabio**** > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Glenn Poorman > wrote:**** > > Hi Fabio,**** > > **** > > Wow! Way back around 1999 or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing =93Fug= a Y > Mysterio=94 on Stick and EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on > occasion. That is one of my favorite looped Stick recordings.**** > > **** > > These days I perform with both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. > I=92ve worked up a small handful of looped pieces that use both instrumen= ts. > That way I can organize my sets so that there is no dead air when switchi= ng > from one to the other.**** > > **** > > Glenn**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* Fabio Katz [mailto:katzfabio@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Switching instruments while looping**** > > **** > > Hi everybody,**** > > **** > > I am new to this forum!**** > > **** > > For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a wide > range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound variety. > Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, > each contributing its natural sound.**** > > **** > > Please check out this video I made looping > with ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys thin= k. > **** > > **** > > Thanks!**** > > Fabio**** > > ** ** > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --00235429c824ffb5bc04b5a5551a Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The music from this era is so seldom heard, this had my head bopping but no= t on stereo,
but with the grroooovvee! :-D Thanks for sharing!

-P= etri Lahtinen-

2012/1/3 Glenn Poorman <glenn.poor= man@autodesk.com>

Hi Fabio,

=A0<= /p>

Yes I have 2-3 tunes that= start on one Stick and finish with the other. I=92ll strategically put the= m in my set so that I can make instrument switches without any dead time. It=92s fun and it also adds a nice sonic dimension to the t= unes with the added range and timbre of the Alto instrument.<= /span>

=A0<= /p>

I run my EDP in the FX lo= op of a line mixer also so in addition to the two Sticks, I might mix some = keyboard or MIDI Stick into the loop as well depending on the gig.

=A0<= /p>

Glenn

=A0<= /p>

From: Fabio Ka= tz [mailto:katzfab= io@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:10 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping

=A0

Hi Glenn,

=A0

Funny you mention "Fuga Y Misterio", I hav= en't performed that piece in a very long time and I am right now=A0prac= tising=A0it for an upcoming live gig, relearning it from that old recording= ...

=A0

I watched some of your performances on video and enj= oyed them a lot, especially Sunday in Palm Sp= ring, I really like how you build your loops with interleaving notes in= empty spaces.

=A0

Do you ever switch Sticks in the middle of a song?

=A0

Fabio

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Glenn Poorman <<= a href=3D"mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com" target=3D"_blank">glenn.poorma= n@autodesk.com> wrote:

Hi Fabio,

=A0<= /p>

Wow! Way back around 1999= or so I downloaded an MP3 of you playing =93Fuga Y Mysterio=94 on Stick an= d EDP. I still have it and still listen to it on occasion. That is one of my= favorite looped Stick recordings.

=A0<= /p>

These days I perform with= both a Grand Stick as well as an Alto Stick. I=92ve worked up a small hand= ful of looped pieces that use both instruments. That way I can organize my set= s so that there is no dead air when switching from one to the other.=

=A0<= /p>

Glenn

=A0<= /p>

=A0<= /p>

From: Fabio Ka= tz [mailto:katzfab= io@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:36 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Switching instruments while looping

=A0

Hi everybody,

=A0

I am new to this forum!

=A0

For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman St= ick, which has a wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effect= s for sound variety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, each contributing its natural so= und.

=A0

Please check out this video I = made looping with ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what yo= u guys think.

=A0

Thanks!

Fabio

=A0




--
Petri Lahtinen

<= br> --00235429c824ffb5bc04b5a5551a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 20:17:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E3B4183462; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0W+NwPIS53pvb+2m3+/q/raAMVnVl5yQlOtMf+YPDb8=; b=Xgin3zEP+dHsy1mlyi8n4psWLihDRyUtehzf6nGfybYMZDfyQia5J/lam8D0SN2l6n 35EAFeQug0NcxjGVkHA7lAii2+I4LDT95jmlvu5890y5H62iVCwbvKl3UbPlC67w9LVp t4qJcFLCihgrMfZJiRn6o/7y3Jt2nPewrkXHg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3E559083-A96F-400D-888C-94469040EA5D@frontier.com> References: <3E4C30F4-A215-47EA-A52D-80279717B9E1@gmail.com> <3E559083-A96F-400D-888C-94469040EA5D@frontier.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:17:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Years Wishes for 2012 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3005dd381a930204b5a5626b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:17:08 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3005dd381a930204b5a5626b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Ted for the words - much appreciated -Petri- 2011/12/31 Jeff Shirkey > > > >> The vast forces of stupidity, lethargy, bigotry, and shear inertia >> arrayed against us each and every day. >> >> > Oh, man...you have no idea. Or maybe you do? > > Very thoughtful post, and much appreciated. > > Jeff > > -- Petri Lahtinen --20cf3005dd381a930204b5a5626b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ted for the words - much appreciated

-Petri-

2011/12/31 Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com>



The vast forces of stupidity, lethargy, bigotry, and shear inertia arrayed = against us each and every day.


Oh, man...you have no idea. Or maybe you do?

Very thoughtful post, and much appreciated.

Jeff




--
Petri Lah= tinen


--20cf3005dd381a930204b5a5626b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 20:29:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 379A7183461; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+krYHnYU3crQR6fl2RsJGKaubtewpoi/Axx5JpWspGU=; b=uwU/CWLYZ4cxrKqC/HZKXovJZzyCEm1WrgLFjbZw/O7o3D56JnhwnZOAtopQItoXYQ S+qgEB6fbATQHtmKl1F48A9NlulmVkQQMHcvkv1CwG36QBiolV9iGXXb9APsxqRqwEpx pdXjjcHxvXREusH5/I2qkoeZdHNMG4szZn9h0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:29:13 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: New Sounds From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Hello all and Happy New Year, Here's wishing everyone the best in the coming new year. Personally I'm feeling very good about the possibilities and I hope that you all are too (or at least are getting to a place where you can see them in the distance). If you follow the link below you will get to some unedited performances that my good friend and I pulled out of our hats in the last couple of months. There are not polished and there are some hesitant moments to be sure but there are some real gems in the mix as well. Probably best to listen to in this format when you've got a lot of time to let them play while you go about your business. http://www.aumhaa.com/wp/?page_id=3D2 Any feedback is welcome. All the best to you all, Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 22:10:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23BC8183460; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4cbaf935-cce1-4024-b1cd-c3a41627d453_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: New Sounds Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:09:58 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2012 22:09:58.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E736B60:01CCCA64] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:10:00 +0000 (UTC) --_4cbaf935-cce1-4024-b1cd-c3a41627d453_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin listening to the second one now (orbit 2)=2C sounds good... a bit like the stuff I do myself..=20 Guitar and Percussion=2C some synths?=20 Thanks for sharing.. (Btw the first track doesn't work) Anders > Date: Tue=2C 3 Jan 2012 12:29:13 -0800 > Subject: New Sounds > From: billowhead@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Hello all and Happy New Year=2C >=20 > Here's wishing everyone the best in the coming new year. Personally > I'm feeling very good about the possibilities and I hope that you all > are too (or at least are getting to a place where you can see them in > the distance). >=20 > If you follow the link below you will get to some unedited > performances that my good friend and I pulled out of our hats in the > last couple of months. There are not polished and there are some > hesitant moments to be sure but there are some real gems in the mix as > well. Probably best to listen to in this format when you've got a lot > of time to let them play while you go about your business. >=20 > http://www.aumhaa.com/wp/?page_id=3D2 >=20 > Any feedback is welcome. >=20 > All the best to you all=2C >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 = --_4cbaf935-cce1-4024-b1cd-c3a41627d453_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kevin listening to the second one now (orbit 2)=2C =3B
sounds good...

 =3Ba = bit like the stuff I do myself.. =3B


= Guitar and =3BPercussion=2C some synths? =3B

Thanks for sharing..

(Btw the first track =3B= doesn't =3Bwork)

Anders

>=3B Date: Tue=2C 3 Jan 2012 12:29:13 -0800
&g= t=3B Subject: New Sounds
>=3B From: billowhead@gmail.com
>=3B To:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B Hello all and Hap= py New Year=2C
>=3B
>=3B Here's wishing everyone the best in the= coming new year. Personally
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>=3B are too (or at least are getti= ng to a place where you can see them in
>=3B the distance).
>=3B =
>=3B If you follow the link below you will get to some unedited
&g= t=3B performances that my good friend and I pulled out of our hats in the>=3B last couple of months. There are not polished and there are some<= br>>=3B hesitant moments to be sure but there are some real gems in the m= ix as
>=3B well. Probably best to listen to in this format when you'v= e got a lot
>=3B of time to let them play while you go about your busi= ness.
>=3B
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>=3B Any feedback is welcome.
>=3B
>=3B All the best to yo= u all=2C
>=3B
>=3B Kevin
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B --
= >=3B Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to hav= e a
>=3B form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of= all trouble.
>=3B
>=3B - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
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= --_4cbaf935-cce1-4024-b1cd-c3a41627d453_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 23:51:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ED50183463; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cMVWQ0UZKRUqpR7K1GOUTW2hpBHB9Buy9ZjEGZDQ8Pc=; b=p658UbXhbYQcRv5ZvygZ45lURU3Hc3TNhVGh+7EsSkcBB78YbKFM8gtHFkLfbljTnw KVjvM/P4ajzenvDeev0kC53l9Xltk+cA07mlnp94bYzrocYiySZ9FGufEoqVpbY9tchz fd+pIumVZuN8oMpDEuPSZUzpbFsi0wYhjU2R8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:51:50 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Sounds From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the tip on the first track; its now in place again. This was a duo of myself on guitar (VG-8 and effects) and my friend James on Cello, Wavedrum, and whatever else he had running in Live. The first track is really the standout for me so far (I can vouch for at least the first 40 minutes of the 70 at least :-) Thanks for listening. Kevin On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > Kevin listening to the second one now (orbit 2), > sounds good... > > =A0a bit like the stuff I do myself.. > > > Guitar and=A0Percussion, some synths? > > Thanks for sharing.. > > (Btw the first track=A0doesn't=A0work) > > Anders > >> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:29:13 -0800 >> Subject: New Sounds >> From: billowhead@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >> Hello all and Happy New Year, >> >> Here's wishing everyone the best in the coming new year. Personally >> I'm feeling very good about the possibilities and I hope that you all >> are too (or at least are getting to a place where you can see them in >> the distance). >> >> If you follow the link below you will get to some unedited >> performances that my good friend and I pulled out of our hats in the >> last couple of months. There are not polished and there are some >> hesitant moments to be sure but there are some real gems in the mix as >> well. Probably best to listen to in this format when you've got a lot >> of time to let them play while you go about your business. >> >> http://www.aumhaa.com/wp/?page_id=3D2 >> >> Any feedback is welcome. >> >> All the best to you all, >> >> Kevin >> >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 08:52:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC275183466; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:52:29 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:52:04 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: "Gong Show with Clouds: video on You Tube Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/KQIDnSiZJaU Gong Show with Clouds is the second piece in my Improvisation/Construction series. These pieces combine video imagery taken at a concert of improvised music. a live recording of the show, and video from my library. The process is analogous to one of my live performances, with the video edited and constructed in the studio instead of live. I do not attempt to synchronize the concert footage with the audio recordings -- preferring to let them coexist. I knew that the Gong Orchestra would be very suitable for this treatment, and I was fortunate to get a front row seat in a packed house from which to shoot. I made a deliberate choice to limit my 'image palette' to imagery of clouds and images of the band. The video is (to my eyes) very textured, mediative, and somewhat dark and mysterious, which I think matches the feeling of the music. I'd like to hear your opinion on how well this works for you. BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 14:06:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1556183461; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Kcqm6XiWEtDoq2tUA7J1eXz2rxKJo1IGtgB7xOWt5+s=; b=TFB/fvVI/wWtybHn0q6JrsUw0Mgt3iAlAzFl6s6stJa2mo3F4sRrCNESo+1G/CKg7T yCGAgdrbEWUgV0ZvCO9h6IxRBrLo4hIBcoDJ0fr1ZA/jbLzP3FmsPCWNXk9P4msl/f9e FrrPJYncWLnD44GvggidVdOTUxDDosqkEQWHI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:06:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Valpastus - loop based electronic music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51a8a684f595c04b5b45257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:27 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51a8a684f595c04b5b45257 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sets/valpastus-herttua-ja/s-Noi7c I am releasing this EP in the beginning of February, thought I'd share it here first, to get some feedback, if you have a chance to take and listen. Greetings from Finland, -- Petri Lahtinen --bcaec51a8a684f595c04b5b45257 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sets/valpastus-herttua-ja/s-Noi7= c

I am releasing this EP in the beginning of February,
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Greetings from Finland,

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Petri Lahtinen
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--bcaec51a8a684f595c04b5b45257-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:31:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CD1318345F; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=khw2S3uEolH8LNQjZ/jW2WockocQhsgWrbN1lcK/e1I=; b=R6WOZCsbdeNZm6zPo+XtbIHf+vdg1tqhW7xU7gjLLoc52VR0kI0Abo6yP5LDjTlCB7 D55pVbBcHaCXMj1omuUZm2KF+7k6XNtkkDHCfkMuVPRPJe3RhULx3o9yoReqVQFpK2BK x4/BDA6kfKk+2RKOuUUejQVCbIKK6qfrOvuK4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:31:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: LP-2 has landed ... already a question From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bf1bcfae80804b5b72e60 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:31:20 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bf1bcfae80804b5b72e60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just received my LP-2. My, is it purple. I like. While I probably won't get a chance to play with it much 'til tonight, I already have a question: I inserted the SDHC card, and it did not lock into place; the end sticks out and I'm worried if I'm not careful it will fall out. Is that normal/proper? I suspect I will have more questions when I've actually got it up & running, as the instructions are pretty skimpy. It does seem like the Config mode shouldn't be too hard to get into whilst playing. I hope so, since this accident prone musician needs his Undo. Zak Kramer --0015174bf1bcfae80804b5b72e60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just received my LP-2. My, is it purple. I like.

While I probably = won't get a chance to play with it much 'til tonight, I already hav= e a question: I inserted the SDHC card, and it did not lock into place; the= end sticks out and I'm worried if I'm not careful it will fall out= . Is that normal/proper?

I suspect I will have more questions when I've actually got it up &= amp; running, as the instructions are pretty skimpy. It does seem like the = Config mode shouldn't be too hard to get into whilst playing. I hope so= , since this accident prone musician needs his Undo.

Zak Kramer
--0015174bf1bcfae80804b5b72e60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 19:35:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 921D618345D; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 714833406/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.190/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.190 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoBAIqpBE9YbRG+/2dsb2JhbAAMN4IFgwqqfA8BBTQKAhocAgUWCwILAwIBAgFhAat+kT6BL4lKgRYEmkCMeA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,457,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="714833406" Message-ID: <4F04AA23.2000503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:36:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LP2 usage guide Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Here's the docs for the LP2, gleaned from the Looperlative Blog. ((additionally)) It doesn't say here, but the LP2 has a Rec/Dub button and a Play/Stop button. Presumably those work in the same way as the buttons on a DL4 (which is what the LP1 does too). Getting Started Before turning on the LP2, you must insert an SDHC storage card. It is recommended that you use a SanDisk Ultra or Ultra II SDHC card of at 4GB in size. It is recommended that you only change storage cards with the LP2 powered off. The LP2 requires 9V power. This can be either 9V battery or a 9V negative-center pedal power supply which is commonly used by many music pedals (don't worry about current rating). To power the LP2 with a battery, remove one of the side panels and slide the bottom out of the way. When a battery is installed, the LP2 will only power on when the audio input cable is connected. Connect the audio input and audio output. These are mono 1/4” connectors. Now you are ready to adjust the mix level. The mix knob on the back panel adjusts the amount of dry signal passes unchanged from the input to the output. You should be able to hear your audio signal pass from input to output. Now you are ready to adjust input volume to the recording portion of the LP2. Proceed to Setup Mode. Important Notes Using the SDHC card for audio storage results in a few rules about recording and overdubbing. 1.There is a minimum loop length. It is approximately 1 second, but that gets longer if you record in ½ SPEED or Âĵ SPEED mode. In Âĵ SPEED mode, the shortest loop that you can record is about 4 seconds long. 2.When you start an overdub, a new undo layer is created. The LP2 must completely record the new layer. If you overdub less than the length of the loop, then LP2 will flash both status LEDs to indicate that it is still copying the remaining loop audio to the new layer. 3.The audio is not stored on the SDHC card in a computer readable format. It is not recommended that you put the SDHC card in a computer SD card reader. 4.Not all SDHC cards are fast enough to keep up with the audio recording. If the card fails to record fast enough, recording will end and not play back. Setup Mode On the back is a configuration button, if you press the button for approximately 2 seconds, the LP2 will switch to setup mode. When the LP2 goes to setup mode, the green and red status lights will alternate. The 8 red effect LEDs will act as a sound level meter in this mode. When performing, you would like audio to light 7 of the effect LEDs. If the sound level is too low, then fewer LEDs will light up. It is best to adjust the audio level from the audio source, but if that isn't possible, the LP2 offers 3 different input gains. You can switch between input gain levels by pressing the PLAY button when in Setup Mode. Pressing the RECORD button will exit Setup Mode. Status LEDs The red and green status LEDs indicate the current mode. These modes are listed here: The status LEDs flash alternating between red and green to indicate Setup Mode. A solid red LED indicates that the loop is recorded by stopped. A solid green LED indicates that the loop is playing. A blinking red LED indicates that you are recording a loop. A blinking green LED indicates that you are overdubbing. If red and green are flashing together, then an overdub layer is being completed. If red and green are both on solid, then the LP2 is in song selection mode. Configuration Mode Configuration Mode allows you to select assignments to the two Effect buttons, activate the undo function, or select a different song. There are two ways to enter configuration mode: press the configuration button on the back or hold the RECORD button when in Play Mode. When Configuration Mode is first entered, all 8 of the effect LEDs will flash together. Undo Enter Configuration Mode, then press the RECORD button while all 8 effect LEDs are flashing. This will undo the last overdub. Song Select Enter Configuration Mode, then press the PLAY button while all 8 effect LEDs are flashing. The EFFECT buttons can then be used to change to one of eight different songs that you have recorded or will record. The effect LEDs will indicate which song will be chosen. The LP2 will not switch to the new song until the PLAY button is pressed to end the mode. You can cancel the mode without selecting a new song by pressing the RECORD button. Effect Button Select In Configuration Mode, pressing the Effect buttons will first show what that button is set to and then if pressed again will be switched to the next choice. Press the RECORD button to exit this mode. The Effect 1 button can be assigned one of the following functions: RETRIGGER ONCE(restart at beginning of loop and stop at end, like DL4) RETRIGGER RANDOM ½ SPEED REPLACE REPLACE 1/8 REPLACE 1/12 REPLACE 1/7 REPLACE 1/10 The Effect 2 button can be assigned one of the following functions: CONTINUE(Play loop starting from where you stopped) RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS(restart at beginning of loop...and keep on playing) Âĵ SPEED REVERSE REPLACE 1/16 REPLACE 1/24 REPLACE 1/9 REPLACE 1/64 The Effect LEDs During Play Mode Certain Effect LEDs will light or blink during Play Mode to indicate conditions. These are: The LED next to REPLACE 1/10 flashes at the beginning of the loop. The LED next to REPLACE 1/7 turns on when MIDI clock input is detected. The LED next to REVERSE is on when the loop is playing in reverse. The LED between ½ SPEED and Âĵ SPEED is on when either of those 2 speeds are selected. The LED next to RETRIGGER RANDOM is on when Âĵ SPEED is selected. MIDI clock The LP2 provides MIDI clock message on the MIDI out port whenever a loop is playing. The MIDI clock out assumes that the loop is one measure and that you are in 4/4 timing. The LP2 will synchronize to a MIDI clock on the MIDI in port when you record a new loop with MIDI present. The MIDI clock input assumes 4/4 timing coming in. Audio The LP2 uses an LM4550 Audio CODEC for audio input and output. This CODEC provides 16-bit samples to the processor in the LP2. The LP2 then reduces the samples to 12-bits for storage to the SDHC card. The sampling rate is 44.1 kHz. Partial schematics of the LP2 detailing the audio electronics will be made available in the future. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 20:55:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 491C2183465; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=b8dxu1K1WbGRo+Gv19mBaP0QqmmLp/Bu7WogujCCiBQ=; b=V8iFozZOdqy7sPKipyA7unCpaGU8ynfsHJyEx/PpYXdhuuzmGB6BfCh7d1AweRFaoX B7gdgCcc1q7UoNEY+oy7c3GlME+x/kbZDUQ7niH/SUkhwgPJcpcixJwfpmO2XRBXIdxC VFkbDDSVeob1SMyJo2wNdyabEFijA/zFuNTZc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:55:15 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rsaL_Dxe8JzpwZbxbCMcLFfNiRw Message-ID: Subject: 1010 pedal recycling station To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044785bb94fd0f04b5ba0960 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:55:37 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044785bb94fd0f04b5ba0960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello all. Just wondering if any of you have done the radical chop chp jpb on the FCB1010 where you have cut away that annoying 1 foot of 2 expression pedals? Well I want them!! I'm hoping to use the remainder as regular expression pedals, but want 4, and thats quite expensive... If you have them in a drawer somewhere, maybe you can fling em in a box and send em to the frozen North? cheers -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d044785bb94fd0f04b5ba0960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all.

Just wondering if any of you have done the radical chop c= hp jpb on the FCB1010 where you have cut away that annoying 1 foot of 2 exp= ression pedals?
Well I want them!!
I'm hoping to use the remaind= er as regular expression pedals, but want 4, and thats quite expensive... <= br>
If you have them in a drawer somewhere, maybe you can fling em in a box= and send=A0 em to the frozen North?

cheers

-- =
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--f46d044785bb94fd0f04b5ba0960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 21:50:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59144183473; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 708193375/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.190/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.190 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUBAGrJBE9YbRG+/2dsb2JhbAAMN4IFrV4BAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBh3a1M4h1gxoEmkCMeA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,458,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="708193375" Message-ID: <4F04C9A8.6000400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:50:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1010 pedal recycling station References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:50:42 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Just wondering if any of you have done the radical chop chp jpb on the > FCB1010 where you have cut away that annoying 1 foot of 2 expression pedals? > Well I want them!! > I'm hoping to use the remainder as regular expression pedals, but want > 4, and thats quite expensive... Nice idea, but the fcb1010 pedals aren't anything like regular expression pedals. They use an optical sensor. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 01:03:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AABF183461; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 01:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=+jXgn6zkeS+oNojYNgJpRlMTDUJWZSAZ/ZOwypIegPI=; b=R1QsIZWMmyApoOlWl8wFDYyBWk7/QGJ/yfcODHdGBYDc+DVd2v2i2zob2gdlXT8A9b QZodIU0lRUYeezR/vmByC/dtwp4Z+yKaJ7CSdUlnjwcMI/YAYAcokumMiKjdU3sj3Ha5 cECCJxW2AvHMYapp5rGylQn8NukgYcBg0PWb8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F04C9A8.6000400@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F04C9A8.6000400@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 02:02:44 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tpQarQxNJTuXmOavdQObtj19m50 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 1010 pedal recycling station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93998a3a6bd8804b5bd7e33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 01:03:05 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93998a3a6bd8804b5bd7e33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ahh.. ok thanks Andy, i must admit that my plan was still firmly on the drawing board. If its anything like the Space Station pedal, where the LED is on a movable rod operated by the pedal, then Im pretty sure I can exchange the sensor for a photoresister... have to check up on what is a normal pot in a expression pedal... guessing 100 or 500.. Plan is getting more tricky, but not time to totally discard yet..? 4 in a row would make a handy little enclosure... On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:50 PM, andy butler wrote: > mark francombe wrote: > > Just wondering if any of you have done the radical chop chop job on the >> FCB1010 where you have cut away that annoying 1 foot of 2 expression pedals? >> Well I want them!! >> I'm hoping to use the remainder as regular expression pedals, but want 4, >> and thats quite expensive... >> > > Nice idea, > but the fcb1010 pedals aren't anything like regular expression pedals. > They use an optical sensor. > > andy > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --14dae93998a3a6bd8804b5bd7e33 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ahh.. ok thanks Andy,
i must admit that my plan was still firmly on the = drawing board. If its anything like the Space Station pedal, where the LED = is on a movable rod operated by the pedal, then Im pretty sure I can exchan= ge the sensor for a photoresister... have to check up on what is a normal p= ot in a expression pedal... guessing 100 or 500..=A0
Plan is getting more tricky, but not time to totally discard yet..? 4 in a = row would make a handy little enclosure...




On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:50 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk&= gt; wrote:
mark francombe wrote:

Just wondering if any of you have done the radical chop chop job on the FCB= 1010 where you have cut away that annoying 1 foot of 2 expression pedals? Well I want them!!
I'm hoping to use the remainder as regular expression pedals, but want = 4, and thats quite expensive...

Nice idea,
but the fcb1010 pedals aren't anything like regular expression pedals.<= br> They use an optical sensor.<= br>
andy




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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--14dae93998a3a6bd8804b5bd7e33-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 10:57:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5DAD183473; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 715024369/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.190/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.190 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAPeABU9YbRG+/2dsb2JhbAAMN69zAQEBAwE4QAYLCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGHdrU2iHeDGgSaQox5 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,461,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="715024369" Message-ID: <4F058210.1030801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:57:20 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1010 pedal recycling station References: <4F04C9A8.6000400@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:57:13 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > ahh.. ok thanks Andy, > i must admit that my plan was still firmly on the drawing board. If its > anything like the Space Station pedal, where the LED is on a movable rod > operated by the pedal, then Im pretty sure I can exchange the sensor for > a photoresister... The LED and photo-sensor are fixed, and a piece of plastic film with a gradient on it moves between them. I don't remember exactly what the sensor is. > have to check up on what is a normal pot in a > expression pedal... guessing 100 or 500.. 20k ohm or 10k linear. (although Yamaha/Zoom use 100k...I think it's log) > Plan is getting more tricky, but not time to totally discard yet..? 4 in > a row would make a handy little enclosure... Creating a circuit that would accurately mimic a pot would probably be the stumbling point. Particularly, I can't think how you'd get the full range...but of course you haven't said you needed that. If you're after a 0-5V control voltage then I bet you could use the original Behringer components as a basis, with a bunch of op amps. I've always used cheap Bespeco pedals and never had any unfixable problems, ...possible to get 4 on ebay for about sixty quid. andy ps don't go for the Alesis pedals...weird mechanism that responds v.slow when you toe down. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 11:13:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F411183462; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=KcxmekwS63vpWwjKDrA7DvxrsCGltXCc6HIgdhIE+mI=; b=aefVbKgamACU1rT/CibCG8mn1LyPulGpvR71vGFKjBz1LzQUkiP3koGwDRmmIZn7da pV8UM1BfBdHL7DQLdZldSJNMF1FLsVMsKCO5OtGlgpmA7kI15q4bCgOoOflIbooNLGPb O3OFFGrFUDxivZj6kdIZ9xS4gopK7bS0J8rEk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F058210.1030801@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F04C9A8.6000400@tiscali.co.uk> <4F058210.1030801@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:13:30 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Ecu4pcfqnn3Wv3Zrh_gnYuhKbvQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: 1010 pedal recycling station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303dd312ecbeea04b5c6065e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:13:51 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303dd312ecbeea04b5c6065e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, andy butler wrote: > I've always used cheap Bespeco pedals and never had any unfixable problems, > ...possible to get 4 on ebay for about sixty quid. > thx for the head-up.. I have a couple of HUGE Tank-like Boss pedals, but was looking for more compact... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303dd312ecbeea04b5c6065e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
I've always used cheap Bespeco pedals and never had an= y unfixable problems,
...possible to get 4 on ebay for about sixty quid.

thx for th= e head-up.. I have a couple of HUGE Tank-like Boss pedals, but was looking = for more compact...


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--20cf303dd312ecbeea04b5c6065e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 13:39:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281EC183464; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4F05A7F9.00FC,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=B+0I0hCSiV7HBHysEX7i9uLkcUsUPjnE9r3RE+tlRXI= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=rUrXdslMNpX7tjSrBgIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4F04AA23.2000503@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: LP2 usage guide Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:39:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4F04AA23.2000503@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AczLGBbaSKoFONV7Qgy78za83EoP3AAl0Dgg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 18:48:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33209183462; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA360B942B@005-TK5MPN1-013.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: A Twelfth Night Treat... Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:48:22 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:48:20 +0000 (UTC) A treat from last night's show, "Jingle Bells 2012" http://vimeo.com/34617724 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 19:52:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8993B183463; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_735d1fe4-b398-443a-be41-178259eed54b_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: a bEGINNING --- some music to start of the new year... Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:52:40 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2012 19:52:40.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[9527F3E0:01CCCBE3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:52:42 +0000 (UTC) --_735d1fe4-b398-443a-be41-178259eed54b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/a-beginning Just guitar and the octatrack=2C used resamplig to create a live recording = loop with a combfilter.. then i record on other tracks using all sorts of c= razy stuff.. Also lopping live playing on the octatrack.. with the live sampling.. so it= is sort of creating loops with loops.. o double helix=2C a beginning..=20 and i abuse the Chorus... been listning to Fennesz lately.. he uses simila= r sounds on guitar.. = --_735d1fe4-b398-443a-be41-178259eed54b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://soundc= loud.com/anders-bergdahl/a-beginning

Just guitar and= the octatrack=2C used resamplig to create a live recording loop with a com= bfilter.. =3B
then i record on other tracks using all sorts o= f crazy stuff..

Also lopping live playing on the o= ctatrack.. with the live sampling.. =3B
so it is sort of = =3Bcreating =3Bloops with loops.. o double helix=2C a beginning.. = =3B

 =3Band i abuse the Chorus... been listnin= g to Fennesz lately.. he uses similar sounds on guitar.. =3B
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= --_735d1fe4-b398-443a-be41-178259eed54b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:43:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A45F183462; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0VBm1yfRP73sgVBuYXPz37KZZjB6nWVTzbcbzQ8H+gI=; b=rPtyi61tZ08GXEnkQFgqIgIr6pqeY2EYmkUfv4Khjx+w37sLeBXLG9ktEmLMTpBwlb eVu0LKMaSuKlt3mj+/9sLR/gaNtDYPvZmmErzNHotMlyY8r13Fe8r0vU3j4QD/gCu4OF hjui7Ymts2Jq3+6B0o8lPnAwAkQ4QkAXPkxmU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:43:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: hardware looper with multiply From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:43:46 +0000 (UTC) which hardware looper, actually available, not rackable, allows something similar to the EDP function 'multiply'? vox vdl1? ehx 2880? thanks! ra=FCl --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:53:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E89A718345D; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ix29/ItYfbTucjVPs2J48sMgGCoUJm94uyj5Lb6Y0w0=; b=Neq/X6bEBY5AMPgSCdCUvGu55O2FC4ZiaCrgeTA3C7kK5Zbj5duN61EtnvSLMPKJdZ 1s6y/9sHu+8k8zlkAS8hP5ZQccMyxDNmhF+aJg4JCcZg6wjn/CY6d6YKJcA+1eHXb0Ck uiVhP5foFDXvOUYIrzTLzSsCpMiKFVMHroGA0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:53:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:53:01 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Ra=C3=BCl Bonell wr= ote: > which hardware looper, actually available, not rackable, allows > something similar to the EDP function 'multiply'? vox vdl1? ehx 2880? ..."something similar" ---- ouch, I just hurt my brain... ;-) (meaning "can you be just a bit more specific?") Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:54:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18631183461; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t90e/cNZXlhSpgkmmIHCQfVlCPmqn6s/dVBckJtGzAI=; b=dQ90kLB6WOh3cnTXerwI+5gjuM8Lohij3Hqe7+jHLlFS/wY5vj4p3UulUoWNUsdKMN LzpUv6ISO6TqVcI/jhjs6VmnEU08kSfg+KUaXFeWD1iCLnYrRe5OTLQqhbfNF9cYk+2s oumfhhczFuEWLuyX/bvk/44XfiguLOUGzO++o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:54:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Hey! I just remembered Rick Walkers old trick with two daisy-chained DL4's. That's one simple way to get the mulitplies flowing! Per On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Ra=C3=BCl Bonell = wrote: >> which hardware looper, actually available, not rackable, allows >> something similar to the EDP function 'multiply'? vox vdl1? ehx 2880? > > > ..."something similar" ---- ouch, I just hurt my brain... ;-) > (meaning "can you be just a bit more specific?") > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 21:43:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084C0183464; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=NlAaEidTjD5oIBJdlTlTBCitQbVYAfn5FGi64pn3ryA=; b=KF8e3k33QJ8JOu8Uu8b8demf6ka0wyWk6ZPILnzCOYdEu4F/zqvsonjWyIXRfOIdsG 62YXmMNRlUBjViqpy5w5DAD2YUgu8wB90rqHB2n/nPPpEmh/97T1gg9lB1M+u5BZQsko v8Z6b23ONNROw8gnna1YFcfvdBAskMThDoByk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 22:43:27 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vTjzZusDl8-22QGmX15yXA0N4Vg Message-ID: Subject: EDP Remove cycles command? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636eee4afdccc7404b5ced3b2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:43:49 +0000 (UTC) --001636eee4afdccc7404b5ced3b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im working on a piece that contains very short cycles on 2 edps, the idea is that I make a very short initial loop, and multiply it out, Im adding cycles to the loop by very short taps of stutter, then Im re-multiplying back down to relevant lengths, (4, 8, 16 etc). Im finding it VERY hard to be acurate, and as I cant PLAY while re-multiplying (or else material gets added) its becoming a bit of a chore. What Im looking for is a INSTANT, one hit of a pedal (preferably) in order to add exactly ONE cycle (like the stutter thing) and (I know this doesnt exist.. but Mattias.. Ecoloop???) A one hit REMOVAL of a cycle. Any work arounds that anyone can think of...? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --001636eee4afdccc7404b5ced3b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im working on a piece that contains very short cycles on 2 edps, the idea i= s that I make a very short initial loop, and multiply it out, Im adding cyc= les to the loop by very short taps of stutter, then Im re-multiplying back = down to relevant lengths, (4, 8, 16 etc). Im finding it VERY hard to be acu= rate, and as I cant PLAY while re-multiplying (or else material gets added)= its becoming a bit of a chore.
What Im looking for is a INSTANT, one hit of a pedal (preferably) in order = to add exactly ONE cycle (like the stutter thing) and (I know this doesnt e= xist.. but Mattias.. Ecoloop???) A one hit REMOVAL of a cycle.

Any work arounds that anyone can think of...?

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--001636eee4afdccc7404b5ced3b2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 00:13:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84143183462; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=j749vnYtEidQPP8C1vBBxKhe2Q5BevhRC7OPgMDk5zI=; b=CiPmcT6IksI95L4Dt9nDTJ6WrNJO4++5nl0++aPw99mGQ+YPZWc/LbGv0o6wXzVydb fIzt+12y7zJIUH7t/lPO6F33UwD0L/NKRXxN6y/BvRTXGHSb76hDzkcCajwGfgl3Nemu 9BGWLlJdUMG4kT2RAJrXDmuQcvqnTvOXz8NGk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:13:03 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP-2 has landed ... already a question From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:13:05 +0000 (UTC) I still haven't booted mine up because I still need to get a power source. However, many devices that accept SDHC cards and other portable media don't completely "swallow" the media. I don't think it's much of a concern. Is your chip so loose that it might actually fall out? Mine sticks out about 1/4 inch, but doesn't seem likely to fall out. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Zak Kramer wrote: > I just received my LP-2. My, is it purple. I like. > > While I probably won't get a chance to play with it much 'til tonight, I > already have a question: I inserted the SDHC card, and it did not lock into > place; the end sticks out and I'm worried if I'm not careful it will fall > out. Is that normal/proper? > > I suspect I will have more questions when I've actually got it up & running, > as the instructions are pretty skimpy. It does seem like the Config mode > shouldn't be too hard to get into whilst playing. I hope so, since this > accident prone musician needs his Undo. > > Zak Kramer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 00:26:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5ED8183461; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F063FAD.5060203@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:26:21 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:26:34 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Scientists in Trees" on Internal Conbustion Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 01:42:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22D68183466; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Twelfth Day of Christmas Live! Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:42:32 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: <2kI0a.A.s4G.HGlBPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Now archived, the twelfth and last show of the series. Kick back and relax. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/19589709 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 03:28:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE8AD183462; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9PKfqgBl1OodjlgeRgJKiOisPT/4cUD/hoG1OgbPCLA=; b=Tx+AhmfgJVMffLo3qR5cZEdVsvMWoB8Y2YOp3n0YJN5N57xxW5AoKuJzszIg+TrF0R t0Gv5n4kfTu9FgwRNJ02LOmqAkHSDHFNn3lQjPnVjn2q6neshUsT95BwD/HAMxyqcr8N hLCQyRXle9TYwEAJwXR6j3zuH87AubN9N4uls= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 04:28:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:28:37 +0000 (UTC) "something similar" may be accomplished, although not valid for my actual needs because it's in software form, by "mobius"... ya know my swede.. cycles of an original, say shorter loop, obviously, with overdub capabilities over that group of cycles. thanks for the DL4 tip.. i'm thinking of getting an RC3 just for this. it's relatively cheap, stereo in/out, an daisy-chained with my ehx-hazarai it could deliver some continuous wild noise when jamming with my new friends & their all-laptops orchestra. really, waiting until evoloop is available. years have passed, and EDP arsenal of functions still being advanced in comparison to most of the new hw loopers... evolooption! gudnite, ra=FCl. > 2012/1/5, Per Boysen : > Hey! I just remembered Rick Walkers old trick with two daisy-chained > DL4's. That's one simple way to get the mulitplies flowing! > > Per > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Ra=FCl Bonell wr= ote: >>> which hardware looper, actually available, not rackable, allows >>> something similar to the EDP function 'multiply'? vox vdl1? ehx 2880? >> >> >> ..."something similar" ---- ouch, I just hurt my brain... ;-) >> (meaning "can you be just a bit more specific?") >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 04:21:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77E1E183465; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 04:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pFvMo6GjiGcUd7MkAlawV7pm8D0JnC54v9LW7zfLkAnv5t0pce0DzxalRBB2QjtG; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 23:20:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Fwd: The Apollo Project // New York Guitar Festival opening night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-886298834==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ee4c990df067b372a27f5fea0ff89b77350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <2pkfiB.A.PP.vanBPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 04:21:04 +0000 (UTC) --============_-886298834==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Free event Friday the 6th in Lower Manhattan...! Apollo Projections and Manipulations: filmmaker Craig Teper reveals a lifelong interest in Brian Eno and space on the eve of the New York Guitar Festival's Apollo Project I've been listening to Brain Eno's work long enough to have repurchased it going on four times now, from vinyl to iTunes, and to have consumed Eno's writings, methods and ideas long enough for them to be foundational in my own work. Though old enough to have heard those original recordings at 33 1/3 rpm upon release, I was born after the first moon landings. The massiveness of that achievement was a forgone conclusion in my lifetime, rather than a televised event experienced life as the world shrunk to a smaller size inside that box. NASA's Apollo program had the effect of bringing the world together and reducing the relative size of our cosmic neighborhood. More than a decade later, for me at least, Eno's Apollo album managed to expand the scope of music, the connection between art and science, and the possibility of expression in the face of rapid technological change. The exploration of space has always had a strong pull for me. Chalk it up to a childhood of repeat veiwings of Star Wars, committed to memory with an almost religious fervor, endless games of Space Invaders or early morning live shuttle launches on television, often delayed and picked up again on the black and white TV at school. Somehow in the ubiquitous retelling of the Apollo myth the mystery and wonder had been bleed dry. Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins' Saturn V rocket hurdled toward the moon over and over again each day in MTV's original broadcast identity package. Books, interviews, documentaries and news reports of the time seemed fixated on scientific and engineering prowess, rather than the strangeness and majesty of leaving the confines of home and standing on another world. On Apollo Soundtracks and Landscapes Brian Eno, Roger Eno and Daniel Lanois' noises and compositions cut through the cold war nationalism and number crunching of the space race and showed us the darkness and mystery that was always there if you wanted to see it. For the past several years I have been working on my own version of that cause, pursuing a film on the life of Apollo Lunar Module Pilot Edgar Mitchell. Of the twelve military pilots who stepped foot on that land beyond earth, Mitchell alone embodies the wonder, possibility and humanity of that singular moment. His experiences in space, withMan their potential to unlock human consciousness, stand apart from official NASA doctrine as starkly as Eno's music does from the drab news broadcasts of Apollo. For this New York Guitar Festival performance, I have assembled a few short peeks at this film, Man In The Right Seat, as a glimpse into the life and mind of Edgar Mitchell and the hidden dimensions of Apollo. To compliment this live remaining of a landmark record, I have also processed and manipulated some of the footage that serves as our official record of the moon missions, in an effort to expand the dimension and mystery of the images as Eno had done musically almost 30 years ago. - Craig Teper EVENT DETAILS: "The Apollo Project," a celebration and live re-imagining of "Apollo: Atmospheres & Soundtracks," Brian Eno's landmark 1983 musical tribute to the NASA moon landings. This will be a rare live performance of this masterpiece featuring the Brooklyn ambient ensemble Itsnotyouitsme, acclaimed New York guitar master Larry Campbell, Jeff Parker from Tortoise, Mike Gordon from Phish, Noveller, David Torn and other special guests. This concert is a FREE concert at the World Financial Center's Winter Garden, in lower Manhattan across the street from the World Trade Center site, on Friday, January 6, at 8pm. More info about the venue: (212) 417-7000 www.artsworldfinancialcenter.com newyorkguitarfestival.org Click to view this email in a browser New York Guitar Festival 57 Main Avenue Unit 3 Ocean Grove, New Jersey 07756 USA Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-886298834==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Fwd: The Apollo Project // New York Guitar Festival openin
Free event Friday the 6th in Lower Manhattan...!


                       
                        Apollo Projections and Manipulations: filmmaker Craig Teper reveals a lifelong interest in Brian Eno and space on the eve of the New York Guitar Festival's Apollo Project

               
                       

                                I've been listening to Brain Eno's work long enough to have repurchased it going on four times now, from vinyl to iTunes, and to have consumed Eno's writings, methods and ideas long enough for them to be foundational in my own work. Though old enough to have heard those original recordings at 33 1/3 rpm upon release, I was born after the first moon landings. The massiveness of that achievement was a forgone conclusion in my lifetime, rather than a televised event experienced life as the world shrunk to a smaller size inside that box. NASA's Apollo program had the effect of bringing the world together and reducing the relative size of our cosmic neighborhood. More than a decade later, for me at least, Eno's Apollo album managed to expand the scope of music, the connection between art and science, and the possibility of expression in the face of rapid technological change.

               
               
                       

                                The exploration of space has always had a strong pull for me. Chalk it up to a childhood of repeat veiwings of Star Wars, committed to memory with an almost religious fervor, endless games of Space Invaders or early morning live shuttle launches on television, often delayed and picked up again on the black and white TV at school. Somehow in the ubiquitous retelling of the Apollo myth the mystery and wonder had been bleed dry. Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins' Saturn V rocket hurdled toward the moon over and over again each day in MTV's original broadcast identity package. Books, interviews, documentaries and news reports of the time seemed fixated on scientific and engineering prowess, rather than the strangeness and majesty of leaving the confines of home and standing on another world. On Apollo Soundtracks and Landscapes Brian Eno, Roger Eno and Daniel Lanois' noises and compositions cut through the cold war nationalism and number crunching of the space race and showed us the darkness and mystery that was always there if you wanted to see it.

                       

                                For the past several years I have been working on my own version of that cause, pursuing a film on the life of Apollo Lunar Module Pilot Edgar Mitchell. Of the twelve military pilots who stepped foot on that land beyond earth, Mitchell alone embodies the wonder, possibility and humanity of that singular moment. His experiences in space, withMan their potential to unlock human consciousness, stand apart from official NASA doctrine as starkly as Eno's music does from the drab news broadcasts of Apollo. For this New York Guitar Festival performance, I have assembled a few short peeks at this film, Man In The Right Seat, as a glimpse into the life and mind of Edgar Mitchell and the hidden dimensions of Apollo. To compliment this live remaining of a landmark record, I have also processed and manipulated some of the footage that serves as our official record of the moon missions, in an effort to expand the dimension and mystery of the images as Eno had done musically almost 30 years ago.

               
               

                       

               

                        - Craig Teper

               

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                        EVENT DETAILS:  "The Apollo Project," a celebration and live re-imagining of "Apollo: Atmospheres & Soundtracks," Brian Eno's landmark 1983 musical tribute to the NASA moon landings. This will be a rare live performance of this masterpiece featuring the Brooklyn ambient ensemble Itsnotyouitsme, acclaimed New York guitar master Larry Campbell, Jeff Parker from Tortoise, Mike Gordon from Phish, Noveller, David Torn and other special guests. This concert is a FREE concert at the World Financial Center's Winter Garden, in lower Manhattan across the street from the World Trade Center site, on Friday, January 6, at 8pm.  More info about the venue: (212) 417-7000  www.artsworldfinancialcenter.com
                       
                       
                       
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--============_-886298834==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 05:58:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 321E2183465; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 05:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4F068D85.004F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=TYqOupU+thQw9kvhTokMlUsZnahgEuSZDWfbabzTYLc= c=1 sm=1 a=pVezVaFOYMEA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=eCVbACE-kXoTB3v_59gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: RE: LP-2 has landed ... already a question Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:58:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AczMB/yAS6zdcZtqQNGd0FiBkfvfOgAMCI2A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 05:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Why you no use battery? -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] I still haven't booted mine up because I still need to get a power source. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 09:39:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45A45183464; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 715504179/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.190/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.190 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAN+/Bk9YbRG+/2dsb2JhbAAMN7AAAQEBBDIBBUARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAG+Hoh3gxoEmkOMeQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,467,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="715504179" Message-ID: <4F06C164.6020000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:39:48 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:39:41 +0000 (UTC) The Vox VDL-1 does this. Raül Bonell wrote: > which hardware looper, actually available, not rackable, allows > something similar to the EDP function 'multiply'? vox vdl1? ehx 2880? > > thanks! > raül > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 10:47:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 700A9183464; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4F06C164.6020000@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply In-Reply-To: <4F06C164.6020000@tiscali.co.uk> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE9A77C01E8901_CD4_158DA0_webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE9A77C01040C1-CD4-699E3@webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.183.240.185] Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 05:47:42 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:426742976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4f06d14e4393 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:47:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE9A77C01E8901_CD4_158DA0_webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What exactly is multiply again? I have had the Vox since last Father's Day = and am always entertained by what it lets me come up with. Definitely more = fun than my old DL-4. (Maybe I've been multiplying and haven't even known i= t?!) PJ -----Original Message----- From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 11:39 pm Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply The Vox VDL-1 does this.=20 Ra=C3=BCl Bonell wrote: > which hardware looper, actually available, not rackable, allows > something similar to the EDP function 'multiply'? vox vdl1? ehx 2880? >=20 > thanks! > ra=C3=BCl >=20 =20 ----------MB_8CE9A77C01E8901_CD4_158DA0_webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" What exactly is multiply again? I have had the Vox since l= ast Father's Day and am always entertained by what it lets me come up with.= Definitely more fun than my old DL-4. (Maybe I've been multiplying and hav= en't even known it?!)

3D":-)"PJ


The Vox VDL-1 does this.=20

Ra=C3=BCl Bonell wrote:
> which hardware looper, actually available, not rackable, allows
> something similar to the EDP function 'multiply'? vox vdl1? ehx 2880?
>=20
> thanks!
> ra=C3=BCl
>=20
----------MB_8CE9A77C01E8901_CD4_158DA0_webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 13:43:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFE9918345F; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cwlomZVIN4hXSDmZUtkm++h0f2mb8EAvehMAIEQEBvE=; b=O9UGhwlhGJvMpug/XAvbNwWq7rG7IoxraC/eE45jxX35VSTfVLRnBhzltIU+SplHJ+ KeaGTLNZDTT0138iM2FoZLP9URVusU50oBPsWl9/F4rQrpQgld06pOvDCqwaSktwiMUH 28FsBZhzZk+J8QDwgmPU0f+LdSYOdpJEhBfQs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:43:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP-2 has landed ... already a question From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3d8e789a0304b5dc3d4f Resent-Message-ID: <7kowRB.A.HhE.cqvBPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:43:56 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c3d8e789a0304b5dc3d4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm used to throwing my floor-based loopers in a gig bag, like any other pedal. I'll just pull the card before transporting the looper. But I was curious, so, thanks. I've gotten very little time with mine, so I cant comment helpfully on using it yet, either. Zak Kramer On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Why you no use battery? > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] > > I still haven't booted mine up because I still need to get a power source. > > > --0015174c3d8e789a0304b5dc3d4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm used to throwing my floor-based loopers in a gig bag, like any othe= r pedal. I'll just pull the card before transporting the looper. But I = was curious, so, thanks. I've gotten very little time with mine, so I c= ant comment helpfully on using it yet, either.

Zak Kramer


On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Clayton= Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.= net> wrote:
Why you no use battery?
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattd= avignon@gmail.com]

I still haven't booted mine up because I still need to get a power sour= ce.



--0015174c3d8e789a0304b5dc3d4f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 14:31:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC54D183473; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 708767784/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.190/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.190 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBADwFB09YbRG+/2dsb2JhbAAMN4UPqjABAQEEIxVAEQsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUcAax0kUyBL4dIggSBFgSaQ4x5 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,468,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="708767784" Message-ID: <4F0705CE.1070106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:31:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply References: <4F06C164.6020000@tiscali.co.uk> <8CE9A77C01040C1-CD4-699E3@webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CE9A77C01040C1-CD4-699E3@webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:31:30 +0000 (UTC) The Vox VDL-1 does a "Multiply" when you use it's Resample function. You can change the length of the loop to an exact multiple...hence "Multiply". (you can also end the Resample with Retrigger in which case the new loop length will be unrelated to the original, possibly even shorter...but we still call that Multiply). If you use the "Volume" effect, set to "Current Loop" then you get a pure Multiply without additional effect, otherwise you're resampling the fx too. andy Patrick Bishop wrote: > What exactly is multiply again? I have had the Vox since last Father's > Day and am always entertained by what it lets me come up with. > Definitely more fun than my old DL-4. (Maybe I've been multiplying and > haven't even known it?!) > > :-)PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 21:00:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F4E7183465; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Iv4fWdOd/M5N484SPLZ/OWmcP+6gZCh5zca4uCRogp7lMzF2rI110h0N13jrS3fk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <6594283.1325883625529.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:00:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd581b79783bc321a919341fa4da4defad01e4c2298a41ed181350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:00:26 +0000 (UTC) You might also want to find another recent thread on this subject. It seems there are many ways to accomplish the "multiply" function even on loopers which do not have a dedicated button as such. Basically it means you can create a short loop and then add another layer on top of it which may be longer than that first (short) loop. It appears there are many ways to skin this cat. G >Patrick Bishop wrote: >> What exactly is multiply again? I have had the Vox since last Father's >> Day and am always entertained by what it lets me come up with. >> Definitely more fun than my old DL-4. (Maybe I've been multiplying and >> haven't even known it?!) >> >> :-)PJ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 00:25:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 112B0183473; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=WDCRndmniJwjz+mQje12y0yWvgydzA0S6P53K3OkbePDWzf5NwoDFU/72up3YxNm; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <7196188.1325895899429.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:24:59 -0500 (EST) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd581b79783bc321a918f7c2d6eec12a29fdeecc149be670494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I think I see your point but I was thinking more in terms of the final result from a sonic point of view. From that perspective the same result can be obtained with many products whether or not they have such functionallity explicitly defined. Since I only have experience with the Boomerang III here's how I would do a similar thing: 1-Start with a blank slate in the parallel modes, 2-Press loop 3 to begin recording the 'kernel', 3-Press loop 1 at the kernel's end (lp 3 is now the 'master' and playing back, lp 1 is now recording) 4-Once in the last 'round' press lp 1 again and let it continue recording until the next master restart at which time it will begin playback and will be locked to the loop 3 master. Note that lp 1 can be any number of master cycles desired and that number can be decided 'on the fly'. Anyway, only three button presses, no pre-definition of loop lengths or multiple presses to accomplish same and it seems to me the end result is the same as a typical Multiply scenario. All I'm really saying is that someone shouldn't feel limited because their looper doesn't have this capability as a built-in function since there may be other ways to achieve the same sonic result. I would assume this would apply to some of the Boss loopers and others as well. BTW, dividing is also poassible by making the master very short (e.g a beat), making lp 1 the psuedo-master and then creating additional loops which can be longer or shorter than the psuedo-master. This does require more attentive button timing but can be done and, once again, doesn't require anything more than real-time loop operations. Just food for thought. G -----Original Message----- >From: andy butler >Sent: Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM >To: Grant >Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply > >Grant wrote: >> You might also want to find another recent thread on this subject. >>It seems there are many ways to accomplish the "multiply" function >> even on loopers which do not have a dedicated button as such. > >Yep, but we wouldn't call it 'Multiply' unless the length >of a loop is changed. > >To achieve it by creating another loop is called >"Bounce" on the LP1, NextCopy (or NextMult) on the EDP >or otherwise call it "Resampling", especially if from one device to another. > >> Basically it means you can create a short loop and then add another >> layer on top of it which may be longer than that first (short) loop. > >that's rather a description of "Recording another loop" ;-) > >Some devices allow that a subsequent loop can be added with >a length that's an exact multiple of the first. >Just as useful as 'Multiply' itself...but different. > >The term "multiply" is also used to describe when the loop is shortened. >(although the term "Divide" is used on many loopers' wish-lists referring >to an accurate shortening to a 1/3 or 1/2 or some such) > > >> It appears there are many ways to skin this cat. > > >:-) >Multiply (and related techniques) is where looping starts >to get interesting. > >andy > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 03:17:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9064C183464; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 03:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F07B93E.5070003@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:17:18 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 03:17:32 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, January 7 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. 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Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 05:35:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ACB1183474; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 05:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: Searching the Archives Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 23:35:23 -0600 Message-ID: <00ce01ccccfe$289d51e0$79d7f5a0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AczM/iXLqhk1+vz2Qt+qM2E6ww9EQw== Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 05:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi All (and a belated Happy New Year!) I may have missed the discussion on accessing the list archives. I = search and keep getting ZERO results. I'd search the archives for an = answer but alas... Thanks! Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 08:19:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A315218345D; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 08:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4F080002.008C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=B+0I0hCSiV7HBHysEX7i9uLkcUsUPjnE9r3RE+tlRXI= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=8cyn0mv-AAAA:8 a=8LAgZtQ28gDO8Dhgb9IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=JDxZ39lZySAA:10 a=3B28NQst4S8A:10 a=w0rk9COVD0EA:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <00ce01ccccfe$289d51e0$79d7f5a0$@michaelplishka.com> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:19:11 -0800 Message-ID: <911F83E046C144E1BC75085518C3644F@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00ce01ccccfe$289d51e0$79d7f5a0$@michaelplishka.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: AczM/iXLqhk1+vz2Qt+qM2E6ww9EQwAFsTzg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 08:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Go to this Looper's Delight web page http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html and use the Looper's Search window--you will get better results. Gary -----Original Message----- From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Searching the Archives Hi All (and a belated Happy New Year!) I may have missed the discussion on accessing the list archives. I search and keep getting ZERO results. I'd search the archives for an answer but alas... Thanks! Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 10:16:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D693183461; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4F06C164.6020000@tiscali.co.uk> <8CE9A77C01040C1-CD4-699E3@webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com> <4F0705CE.1070106@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply In-Reply-To: <4F0705CE.1070106@tiscali.co.uk> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE9B3C8ADB4E49_1FC4_146F5D_webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE9B3C8AC5E1CE-1FC4-660ED@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.183.240.185] Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 05:16:23 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449525568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094f081b77101d Resent-Message-ID: <0zLg-.A.lbH.5tBCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:16:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE9B3C8ADB4E49_1FC4_146F5D_webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks. I love this feature. I really find the Vox Looper to be a blast. It= has a lot of cool features and is pretty easy to use once you mess w/ it f= or a bit. I get around the 90 second loop limit by having a Jamman Solo aft= er it to archive any interesting loops or music. That would be the one thin= g I wish it had, more memory that you could save loops on. PJ -----Original Message----- From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 4:31 am Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply The Vox VDL-1 does a "Multiply" when you use it's Resample function. You can change the length of the loop to an exact multiple...hence "Multipl= y". (you can also end the Resample with Retrigger in which case the new loop=20 length will be unrelated to the original, possibly even shorter...but we still call that Multiply). If you use the "Volume" effect, set to "Current Loop" then you get a pure Multiply without additional effect, otherwise you're resampling the fx too. andy Patrick Bishop wrote: > What exactly is multiply again? I have had the Vox since last Father's=20 > Day and am always entertained by what it lets me come up with.=20 > Definitely more fun than my old DL-4. (Maybe I've been multiplying and=20 > haven't even known it?!) >=20 > :-)PJ =20 ----------MB_8CE9B3C8ADB4E49_1FC4_146F5D_webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks. I love this feature. I really find the Vox Looper to be a= blast. It has a lot of cool features and is pretty easy to use once you me= ss w/ it for a bit. I get around the 90 second loop limit by having a Jamma= n Solo after it to archive any interesting loops or music. That would be th= e one thing I wish it had, more memory that you could save loops on.

PJ


The Vox VDL-1 does a "Multiply" when you=
 use it's Resample function.
You can change the length of the loop to an exact multiple...hence "Multipl=
y".
(you can also end the Resample with Retrigger in which case the new loop=20
length will be unrelated to the original, possibly even shorter...but
we still call that Multiply).
If you use the "Volume" effect, set to "Current Loop" then you get a pure
Multiply without additional effect, otherwise you're resampling the fx too.

andy

Patrick Bishop wrote:
> What exactly is multiply again? I have had the Vox since last Father's=
=20
> Day and am always entertained by what it lets me come up with.=20
> Definitely more fun than my old DL-4. (Maybe I've been multiplying and=
=20
> haven't even known it?!)
>=20
> :-)PJ
----------MB_8CE9B3C8ADB4E49_1FC4_146F5D_webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 11:47:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27034183464; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 719286374/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.185/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.185 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAEsvCE9YbRq5/2dsb2JhbAAMN4UPqioBAQEEIxURLxELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFGQMBrEGRJIEvh0iCBIEWBJpHjHs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,472,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="719286374" Message-ID: <4F0830D8.3030302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 11:47:36 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Searching the Archives References: <00ce01ccccfe$289d51e0$79d7f5a0$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <00ce01ccccfe$289d51e0$79d7f5a0$@michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:47:24 +0000 (UTC) use the searchbox on the main page, www.loopersdelight.com the one on the archive page hasn't worked for a while now. andy mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > Hi All (and a belated Happy New Year!) > > I may have missed the discussion on accessing the list archives. I search and keep getting ZERO results. I'd search the archives for an answer but alas... > > > Thanks! > > Mike > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 16:06:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F4B5183463; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xlvex7+a9y/pBs9/RXzDILhC3BA7zyIOM5MMthHNbwI=; b=YsdA0sn8N1bBKaEfUA44p84q/PH+RLmlMbmZFdxamJSORtwWwHNxqkG+bCSk2RcQlj HEjAA/fOHBRHBVIM9JbgB30ulMJGJi1q35WIlcPtk9/r09LuwLN9lLZkHl/AV8ujK0pM qixnb8Bd3S+2ccIm4VPKYFTYuJfTqRcuVpw+M= Message-ID: <4F086D7D.90806@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:06:21 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: MoinSound Studio Session - for the last time from the MoinSound Studio! 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Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 16:35:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 080B718345F; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bkph3jhLcUhqfJAw2AL74+Pdmp4ogmcN1o2qzQO3vTk=; b=lYUXi0Q3ebJEucTdnNzMZhc2zsNkGoSE06vZGfhI2TJZTgxgaP19hMuLvw5bEBgLOL 0Aa3nDlt7XvUwnywAiSi1GYj5yAEikiVheALDViWIjVzvCe63l93gv2/RK54uGHb52nE /BrLtmLKVxCz2NHi33WWW0BRY0i1yFIDkJOF0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:35:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hardware looper with multiply From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:35:22 +0000 (UTC) no exactly multiply but with the nw RC300 you can have different loop lengt= hs check out mr super fantastic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFzbPJoDAlRg On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrote= : > which hardware looper, actually available, not rackable, allows > something similar to the EDP function 'multiply'? vox vdl1? ehx 2880? > > thanks! > ra=FCl > > -- > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. 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Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:35:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: AcxmjkJDtwa1GEyBS8CsNgYWAa78Wxm3Kqqw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Howdy-- I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom should I make a request? Thanks, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 19:01:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 854EF183463; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=+2bRbhp6vTJomu4QTyJenUwNSJYrrbMAiU0iwUdOMoU=; b=YXysDgMZbzYrquDKQBAWN98kYHCBwZnz46TP0WrEXToM4I8LCnsMAyxh/MbdbZ0JMW DGXMehV8m5VaphxPtg5O2p5BOK/uN8wPIEG1gDW8D5yI90cEeqMFfg7Xmz6BU3EuOlI/ hzJWBsA38ECZEjzW1+w+k7jlxC40+reu5AUXg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <057901cc6674$0d891970$289b4c50$@messcu.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:00:54 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KAOltBtU-tEJ8oMuGNbnutHixik Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305640cf2bff1c04b5f4ca8d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305640cf2bff1c04b5f4ca8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Which information is that exactly? AFAIK, its just a list, so all it it is your mail address that you wanna change? and best way is to unsub with current and sub with your new! On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Howdy-- > I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom should I make a > request? > Thanks, > Gary > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf305640cf2bff1c04b5f4ca8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which information is that exactly? AFAIK, its just a list, so all it it is = your mail address that you wanna change? and best way is to unsub with curr= ent and sub with your new!



On Sat= , Jan 7, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
Howdy--
I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom should I make a request= ?
Thanks,
Gary




--
Mark Francom= be
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf305640cf2bff1c04b5f4ca8d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 19:52:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EB27183464; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <00ce01ccccfe$289d51e0$79d7f5a0$@michaelplishka.com> <911F83E046C144E1BC75085518C3644F@your0548c161e1> In-Reply-To: <911F83E046C144E1BC75085518C3644F@your0548c161e1> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:52:44 -0600 Message-ID: <008601cccd75$edd37df0$c97a79d0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQF/HGLtcAK/07sgNyxNIE9grceddwJXIVlhlon0qlA= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Gary and Andy!! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 2:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Searching the Archives Go to this Looper's Delight web page http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html and use the Looper's Search window--you will get better results. Gary -----Original Message----- From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Searching the Archives Hi All (and a belated Happy New Year!) I may have missed the discussion on accessing the list archives. I search and keep getting ZERO results. I'd search the archives for an answer but alas... Thanks! Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 19:58:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8C5F183463; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=-6jTgwgeo6cA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=LYO8co_1RRYPN-aLTfoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it you? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:58:51 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <566AD5E9-9CE3-4102-8580-D066359D345A@charter.net> References: <057901cc6674$0d891970$289b4c50$@messcu.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <1H5CyD.A.slF.8PKCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:58:52 +0000 (UTC) CGL, Well, the last time I did it was a month or two before Kim's accident = and I needed to ask Kim to help me. Now that he is no longer with us, I have no idea. It's possible that Violet may be able to help you, but I don't know = about her availability or willingness. In theory, we should all have account names and passwords. But these seem to no longer work after a while if neglected for several = months or years at a time. If you find out ho, let the rest of us know. Cheers, Ted On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Howdy-- > I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom should I make a = request? > Thanks, > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 20:25:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E788D183464; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=iPc3kU2DD4P00dCtLVKfFy9X4VgF+pm8xn1z3qVJB9c=; b=oMa2ci7QWWKtcxa+wr5hgyZTgb14PnX2VudgVL+4RCf7pQ+GV72I+ODjtQ7xhwHtWI Z4VV/Mtn7RUzmlr7ckIkCxCeQyE9AgmcORzKwJ2czvvCARRWk34RgwuAwz7x4x4t1/fe nQ4uVhu6PbkfkRqzf6j79cPJKbSfZ+wAoRZvo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <566AD5E9-9CE3-4102-8580-D066359D345A@charter.net> References: <057901cc6674$0d891970$289b4c50$@messcu.com> <566AD5E9-9CE3-4102-8580-D066359D345A@charter.net> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:25:29 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zWD5mKh7SY4k9d56K9AQaHsPSUY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303dd312a6f4f604b5f5f858 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:25:50 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303dd312a6f4f604b5f5f858 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ted and Clayton? What ARE you talking about,? Is there some secret inner circle that I dont know about, do I click the 69th pixel from the right of the LooperDelight logo and am let into a privileged world of rituals, chanting, rubber outfits and loops ? Surely we all subscribe to the list via an email address, and thats it? No user names or passwords as far I I know about, but then again I dont know the funny handshake... Mark On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > CGL, > > Well, the last time I did it was a month or two before Kim's accident and > I needed to ask Kim to help me. > > Now that he is no longer with us, I have no idea. > > It's possible that Violet may be able to help you, but I don't know about > her availability or willingness. > > In theory, we should all have account names and passwords. > > But these seem to no longer work after a while if neglected for several > months or years at a time. > > If you find out ho, let the rest of us know. > > Cheers, > > Ted > > On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > Howdy-- > > I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom should I make a > request? > > Thanks, > > Gary > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303dd312a6f4f604b5f5f858 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted and Clayton?
What ARE you talking about,? Is there some secret inne= r circle that I dont know about, do I click the 69th pixel from the right o= f the LooperDelight logo and am let into a privileged world of rituals, cha= nting, rubber outfits and loops ?
Surely we all subscribe to the list=A0 via an email address, and thats it?<= br>
No user names or passwords as far I I know about, but then again I d= ont know the funny handshake...

Mark




On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net= > wrote:
CGL,

Well, the last time I did it was a month or two before Kim's accident a= nd I needed to ask Kim to help me.

Now that he is no longer with us, I have no idea.

It's possible that Violet may be able to help you, but I don't know= about her availability or willingness.

In theory, we should all have account names and passwords.

But these seem to no longer work after a while if neglected for several mon= ths or years at a time.

If you find out ho, let the rest of us know.

Cheers,

Ted

On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:

> Howdy--
> I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom should I make a re= quest?
> Thanks,
> Gary




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf303dd312a6f4f604b5f5f858-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 20:31:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13A0A183460; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 154587.49866.bm@omp1035.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1325968289; bh=D2q+Qy96FLUOgnrEQReGTvBeAy11de179D70oljN8J8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fwK1veiYTsLjKbo/vedCUCjDdDG/4Dcy2PxsQ8EURsRxCVifZqDkdbK78juxorAzwziq2iyjenegF/miZgcrJYfCc5mYLVEYHzK67hotReejGs1YUINLeFlRcnN0I/bBz1bLYl+GbPiVukH+SSx2u5YRz6RIpJbh7oDE3TlB/8o= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5UgPrjEmO5GpjdMsg8O7rO2b1PMwEkokyRw4GGB1vMxvOnoeGnJU3pds39mpNN+mmZu5yQ8lgukp/F7vnFFWaf+pfj2JUKVjMSbzIdzhVPkD2wsV1WrQy83LWkE8+E9bjJauf7xGdhV9uv3VeqIYg4ZmZ+Bo2+xW8ljnmcZ+MCE=; X-YMail-OSG: Y4n7W60VM1lgONfdGeRTug0.WvZ_BWRrPiEIE1BvsKOJ9si .5y9hpr17Oe9vPYZ1x29F_STs9PAHMfrpS1IKP5sdEgoa9G4z1nCneJFIiqf depiEG2XW7PzO8OylQkS5TX2VxJMRvEuGqwJruNGhSpRn617YUO6EHS4eM7t 0Eh2pw5cmuTYU0RQv_AZA_Rzj__Edsi3dBZ0u5cF14Sg492I0pSQY2q0XI4J Vc_uPzHv3Sj4kqtR_8FH_YNLfq30RcldmIhxhIfK1KhiaBQJIX7.TsKQSoUG ky_aOim82xyYeBRlMKL3.hB92zhZnQEYzaNHiQpY0UGtME8r7HT9B2OkiJYK Hk.5uY.vESoBXLZdFBnYMWUJk_uFrYJxF5ueBmHybS.0hBGkx0R7CF5gU5Rm otZ4jb4fL1RXKnZ.LJ9p5ivIHj_NU6ac3KxAxdAxJ05AE.oMZ.gEBmPjaI7R n99Fi4zG0ff7tHv0A36PcWo9mAMrGoareR_LCiFN_tVswNmOmXtnQ4PwJlCl .aSrJRIX4m47eg1Y8KVGE8bRcsE_mGIhXkRa_7tTsGXPJaGFfd9na.vlEFh. hxrmMbet3r_tYaPK3W3lwblzzoSiDgcXdDQhxOivExGj4Neo0nUUVx4T0Wav 27xHoqcC2L_UKzMQvE5YyKRNsZDCkOEq5Lofn4IfLZx6Oh_oM3GOLry4J.RM 7_NPhASdm0BaQLOFz7I50MhDrmrLOYZgt5Axs0k8lHhRA6YrFkOZ6SaCqpqO YeYkvpeE0Td9MvAJEnKxWhWTD.1SeR35hVogWuIP0BSY_p9kWROIBSagMCr7 99YOh40N7hLf4p6YXg6D.fdCyLTM6N10- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <057901cc6674$0d891970$289b4c50$@messcu.com> <566AD5E9-9CE3-4102-8580-D066359D345A@charter.net> Message-ID: <1325968288.50526.YahooMailNeo@web45316.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:31:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it you? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-331447688-1664876229-1325968288=:50526" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:31:31 +0000 (UTC) ---331447688-1664876229-1325968288=:50526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, they're talking about the "Looper Profiles" on the LD site.=0A=0A(FWI= W, I hadn't visited mine in at least seven years, and I just discovered tha= t my login info does still work...)=0A=0A-t-=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://timothynelso= nmusic.com/=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: mark francombe <= mark@markfrancombe.com>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: = Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:25 PM=0ASubject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster= --is it you?=0A =0A=0ATed and Clayton? =0AWhat ARE you talking about,? Is t= here some secret inner circle that I dont know about, do I click the 69th p= ixel from the right of the LooperDelight logo and am let into a privileged = world of rituals, chanting, rubber outfits and loops ?=0ASurely we all subs= cribe to the list=A0 via an email address, and thats it?=0A=0ANo user names= or passwords as far I I know about, but then again I dont know the funny h= andshake...=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Ted = Killian wrote:=0A=0ACGL,=0A>=0A>Well, the last tim= e I did it was a month or two before Kim's accident and I needed to ask Kim= to help me.=0A>=0A>Now that he is no longer with us, I have no idea.=0A>= =0A>It's possible that Violet may be able to help you, but I don't know abo= ut her availability or willingness.=0A>=0A>In theory, we should all have ac= count names and passwords.=0A>=0A>But these seem to no longer work after a = while if neglected for several months or years at a time.=0A>=0A>If you fin= d out ho, let the rest of us know.=0A>=0A>Cheers,=0A>=0A>Ted=0A>=0A>=0A>On = Jan 7, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:=0A>=0A>> Howdy--=0A>>= I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom should I make a reques= t?=0A>> Thanks,=0A>> Gary=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0AMark Francombe=0Awww.markfr= ancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www= .looop.no=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@= N00/ ---331447688-1664876229-1325968288=:50526 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark, they= 're talking about the "Looper Profiles" on the LD site.
(FWIW, I hadn't visited mine in at least se= ven years, and I just discovered that my login info does still work...)

-t-
 =
http://timothynelsonmusic.com/
From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
= To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: S= aturday, January 7, 2012 3:25 PM
Subject:= Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it you?
=0A<= div id=3D"yiv1063371974">Ted and Clayton?
What ARE you talking about,? = Is there some secret inner circle that I dont know about, do I click the 69= th pixel from the right of the LooperDelight logo and am let into a privile= ged world of rituals, chanting, rubber outfits and loops ?
=0A=0A=0ASure= ly we all subscribe to the list  via an email address, and thats it?
No user names or passwords as far I I know about, but then again I do= nt know the funny handshake...

Mark




=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Ted Kil= lian <tedk= illian@charter.net> wrote:
=0A=0A=0ACGL,
=0A
=0AWell, the last time I did it was a= month or two before Kim's accident and I needed to ask Kim to help me.
= =0A
=0ANow that he is no longer with us, I have no idea.
=0A
=0AIt= 's possible that Violet may be able to help you, but I don't know about her= availability or willingness.
=0A
=0AIn theory, we should all have ac= count names and passwords.
=0A
=0ABut these seem to no longer work af= ter a while if neglected for several months or years at a time.
=0A
= =0AIf you find out ho, let the rest of us know.
=0A
=0ACheers,
=0A=
=0ATed
=0A

=0AOn Jan 7, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Clayton Gary= Lehmann wrote:
=0A
=0A> Howdy--
=0A> I want to edit/change = my information on LD--to whom should I make a request?
=0A> Thanks,=0A> Gary
=0A
=0A



--
Mark Francombe
=0A=0A=0A<= font size=3D"1">www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao= .com
=0A=0A=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825= 094
http://www.looo= p.no
=0A=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe
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= ---331447688-1664876229-1325968288=:50526-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 23:28:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 847B9183464; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F08D4F8.6080100@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:27:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Searching the Archives References: <4F0830D8.3030302@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F0830D8.3030302@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Why on earth hasn't Violet had that fixed? It seems like a no brainer if you are trying to maintain a site that has a lot of traffic. rick walker ps It's Bill's birthday today, folks!!!!! On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > use the searchbox on the main page, > www.loopersdelight.com > > the one on the archive page hasn't worked for a while now. > > andy > > mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: >> Hi All (and a belated Happy New Year!) >> >> I may have missed the discussion on accessing the list archives. I >> search and keep getting ZERO results. I'd search the archives for an >> answer but alas... >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> www.michaelplishka.com >> www.scribbledmusings.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 23:37:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 680BB18345D; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=+c+1E9mb8qotosjntVoZ9PzBoV5Jz1PQNoQmdgA67/A=; b=rEIbu2v0CvT9QkPfZqODmP8oRuC40hwvjBdsOXuK6MijSpkXiiPenPlCZ0Yr6xExdC XB9CranyplJ5N06tLEx+gZLkoMXNOd0rZEu8g6ibn5xl8H+HgSO5dGNUqlfHGkA8ULY8 PmyinvyYcIXCWat1Aya13M1Bzn1qUZwlN7HHA= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it you? From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <1325968288.50526.YahooMailNeo@web45316.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:36:58 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <057901cc6674$0d891970$289b4c50$@messcu.com> <566AD5E9-9CE3-4102-8580-D066359D345A@charter.net> <1325968288.50526.YahooMailNeo@web45316.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:37:51 +0000 (UTC) do not worry, we have a very new solution for this problem ready! On 7 Jan 2012, at 18:31, Tim Nelson wrote: > Mark, they're talking about the "Looper Profiles" on the LD site. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 23:39:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD04018345D; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C86B5F9BCE848A08B290868613C20B3@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <057901cc6674$0d891970$289b4c50$@messcu.com> <566AD5E9-9CE3-4102-8580-D066359D345A@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it you? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:39:29 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CCCD95.993CC6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:39:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CCCD95.993CC6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not rubber. Vinyl. From: mark francombe=20 Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it you? Ted and Clayton?=20 What ARE you talking about,? Is there some secret inner circle that I = dont know about, do I click the 69th pixel from the right of the = LooperDelight logo and am let into a privileged world of rituals, = chanting, rubber outfits and loops ? Surely we all subscribe to the list via an email address, and thats it? No user names or passwords as far I I know about, but then again I dont = know the funny handshake... Mark On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Ted Killian = wrote: CGL, Well, the last time I did it was a month or two before Kim's accident = and I needed to ask Kim to help me. Now that he is no longer with us, I have no idea. It's possible that Violet may be able to help you, but I don't know = about her availability or willingness. In theory, we should all have account names and passwords. But these seem to no longer work after a while if neglected for = several months or years at a time. If you find out ho, let the rest of us know. Cheers, Ted On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Howdy-- > I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom should I make a = request? > Thanks, > Gary --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CCCD95.993CC6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not rubber.  Vinyl.
 
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it=20 you?
 
Ted=20 and Clayton?
What ARE you talking about,? Is there some secret inner = circle=20 that I dont know about, do I click the 69th pixel from the right of the=20 LooperDelight logo and am let into a privileged world of rituals, = chanting,=20 rubber outfits and loops ?
Surely we all subscribe to the list  = via an=20 email address, and thats it?

No user names or passwords as far I = I know=20 about, but then again I dont know the funny=20 handshake...

Mark




On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Ted Killian = <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
CGL,

Well, the last time I did it was a month = or two=20 before Kim's accident and I needed to ask Kim to help me.

Now = that he=20 is no longer with us, I have no idea.

It's possible that Violet = may be=20 able to help you, but I don't know about her availability or=20 willingness.

In theory, we should all have account names and=20 passwords.

But these seem to no longer work after a while if = neglected=20 for several months or years at a time.

If you find out ho, let = the rest=20 of us know.

Cheers,

Ted

On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann = wrote:

>=20 Howdy--
> I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom = should I=20 make a request?
> Thanks,
>=20 Gary




-- =
Mark=20 Francombe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.comhttp://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CCCD95.993CC6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 03:58:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52B00183464; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 03:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <057901cc6674$0d891970$289b4c50$@messcu.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:58:33 -0800 To: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" From: Violet Xoxox Subject: Re: Looper's Delight webmaster--is it you? Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 03:58:36 +0000 (UTC) At 10:35 AM -0800 1/7/12, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: >Howdy-- >I want to edit/change my information on LD--to whom should I make a request? >Thanks, >Gary Yep, just let me know what it is you want to change and I should be able to do it for you. :) Violet xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 06:08:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0748183463; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 06:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 565 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 06:08:47 UTC Message-ID: <4F0930B6.8020408@theambientping.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 00:59:18 -0500 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 01.10.12 > The PiNG presents dreamSTATE + Heiki + Treeotica + General Chaos Visuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-4S9NB.A.i2C.vLTCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 06:08:47 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 01.10.12 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents THE RETURN OF THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part One . (C) featuring dreamSTATE with HEIKI plus sets by Treeotica + HEIKI + projections by General Chaos Visuals @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. Jan. 10th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 8:30 . $6 . For those of you living far from Toronto, the PiNG will be broadcast on VooDooTV. Supermarket audio/video technician Johnny Trelawny has set up a live internet broadcast system VooDoo TV which will be streaming the entire AMBiENT PiNG event beginning at 8:30pm EST. Here's the URL: http://www.livestream.com/voodootv1 . 8:30 . TREEOTICA . Treeotica is an accidental instrument. Originally beginning as a tree branch carving, it collided with curiosity, a guitar FX pedal and a cough. David Shelley gathered branches, carried them home then removed the bark and whittled the branch ends into shapes resembling fingers. Over the course of year or so he accumulated many branch carvings. At some point with a much larger carving he tapped one of the branches and it resonated a soft tone, elsewhere a deeper tone and he wondered if he could amplify these vibrations. Perhaps they could be percussion sticks as used to drum on a djembe. David's percussive journey led him to experimenting with a guitar FX pedal. Years later exploring different woods and converting the FX pedal to respond to taps and vibrations on a branch - Life was bestowed upon the tree branch. Further curiosities led to adding a cello string, sound card and Led Zepplin’s Stairway To Heaven music box. So now, David carves Rhythmic Salvation and Sonics Natura. . 9:30 . dreamSTATE with HEIKI . Long-time PiNGers will remember dreamSTATE's epic year-long journey up through the chromatic scale in THE DRONE CYCLE 2000. On the "chromatic anniversary" of the Drone Cycle 2000, they begin the Cycle again, with new special guests & traverse the scale back downward: January in C, February in B... as they bring the Drone home. dreamSTATE's special guest this month is Heiki Sillaste, probably best known for his work in his groups Digital Poodle, Kinder Atom and Lazer Caps and for his labels Paper+Sound, nice+smooth and Shadow Canada. He'll be squeezing out delicious electronic juice. As in 2000, sometimes the Drone note will only be implied as dreamSTATE and guest explore new soundspace together, but it will always remain the foundation and home for each concert. In 2012 you can bet they will also be exploring drone-based grooves during the journeys - especially with artists like Heiki. In 2000 dreamSTATE only dreamed of having ambient visuals. In 2012 they are very, very happy to have analog visual greats General Chaos Visuals along for the trip. http://www.dreamstate.to . 10:30 . HEIKI . Heiki (Hey-Key) is a veteran of the Toronto electronic music scene. Since 1987, Heiki Sillaste has released an impressive catalogue of well over 45 synthesizer-based records and made over 150 compilation appearances. Heiki will be performing tracks from his latest release Sauna Porch Recordings Co., a collection of new music entirely composed and recorded on the porch of the rustic sauna cabin his father designed and built in Georgian Bay over 35 years ago. Heiki made these recordings by creating a live, chilled soundtrack first, then sitting back and absorbing the Georgian Bay lake view and natural surroundings for inspiration. Occasionally he would set up a microphone, record, and then process the natural sounds of the surroundings – the wind, the birds, the rustling of leaves in the wind, people swimming, or motorboats and canoes passing by. Most of the initial music was quickly recorded as loops in the morning then slowly built up over the course of a day. Songs were then revisited, treated, layered and re-built over the course of a few weeks (or years, in some cases). Washes of sound were created by processing the field recordings then layering them with synthesizer tones and sequences, creating a fusion of natural and synthesized resonances. Sauna Porch Recordings Co. is released in download format and a strictly limited 250 copy digipack edition. http://www.paperplusound.com/wordpress/?page_id=42 . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . For 2012, Stephen Lindsey and Eric Siegerman are back to warm up and paint the room with their evolving light paintings. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BETWEEN SETS we'll be featuring music from "Climate Adaptive Capacity" by naw and "Spectral Omissions" by Chromosphere. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: . TUESDAY FEBRUARY 7th 2012 . The Return of the dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Two . (B) featuring dreamSTATE with Matthew Poulakakis + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS plus a set by NOiNO @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact PiNG doors open at 8 . 1st set at 8:30 . $6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a new free download from the ping things net label: "The Zen of Zero" by Reinholt56 For their last release of 2011, ping things is very pleased to present the latest from Reinholt56, "The Zen of Zero". Featuring three instrumental pieces that slowly and subtly shift moods as the album progresses, "The Zen of Zero" is a quietly meditative release that we're happy to share with you. "The Zen of Zero" is available for free download as a 125Mb Zip file containing the full release in mp3 format along with artwork suitable for printing. The music on this release is copyright Reinholt56 2011 and may not be used or reproduced without the artist's express permission. http://pingthings.blogspot.com/2011/12/download-zen-of-zero-by-reinholt56.html Check out the ping things blog for more free download releases from the ping things net label. http://pingthings.blogspot.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo, darkwave and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events. Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com We're also on facebook too, again just search THE AMBiENT PiNG. http://www.facebook.com ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 08:28:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E66F183466; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=5zsuZejldpeadPjhGKPU11MqfSYooTDECZ2t3cc8f1Q=; b=gTb3gG4c+bAxSEKnNbiqFymzeQe8QBPyFF3tRIMsaNqghjLQlnr3BWQyhBktapnHUm Jhh9ASiWX3uV7/gnmLPtrTgMIuG2OpFjTrdPqnjWIXMQnuOytPMzXzr8/NRuSzQ0evef j0QiVEyu8hIwh6gjFy1klRIGD55bE7dIU0TKM= Subject: Liking/Disliking your own music From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 00:28:21 -0800 To: LD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:28:26 +0000 (UTC) I tend to not like my music during a loop session but after going back and l= istening to the recording I end up liking it. How do I get myself to enjoy l= ooping and make it more interesting?= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 10:44:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C11183463; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music In-Reply-To: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE9C09A54ACB59_1740_158910_webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE9C09A5355ED5-1740-6B7F3@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.183.240.185] Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 05:44:34 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441153536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d4f0973922130 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:44:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE9C09A54ACB59_1740_158910_webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Practice? What is it that you don't like? Is it the music you are making th= at you dislike or is it something else? PJ -----Original Message----- From: Gmail To: LD Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:28 pm Subject: Liking/Disliking your own music I tend to not like my music during a loop session but after going back and= =20 listening to the recording I end up liking it. How do I get myself to enjoy= =20 looping and make it more interesting? =20 ----------MB_8CE9C09A54ACB59_1740_158910_webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Practice? What is it that you don't like? Is it the music you are= making that you dislike or is it something else?

PJ


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looping and make it more interesting?
----------MB_8CE9C09A54ACB59_1740_158910_webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 10:56:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44415183466; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=9uKZDfl810ZxBVRlJl42HZsyeO43iy4dsF2WNGsFssQ=; b=qCkSdavPPzDcM4RGjfOycJKsriOUwjHlTuf/saEBKi7YWGMnbZ/1uEfON7kyb6Q48q dgsXgtmRakLvt42Sy4/MvJUst7D6CZo19m0G4n1nH53nO+osZolj0KgGKnIW1JzYK2/s xs8blhaIAIbcmGB3zmGlkpcYvEf/Q/ROPZAJs= Sender: ALEXander From: ALEXander Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Synced Looping device for Ableton Live Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 11:56:04 +0100 Message-Id: <473A9A5B-51B1-4540-A5F3-B5694E6E43D3@ander.fm> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I have been searching for a simple solution to this problem for a = while now, to no avail. Maybe you folks have an idea? I play a live set with Ableton Live, using Midi Loops. For mixing and = introducing new sounds, I am looking for a looping device (VST/AU audio = effect) that does the following: - Continously record the incoming audio signal and store it in a buffer = that is at least 4 bars long - provide three buttons which, when activated, loop a) 4 bars b) the = last 2 bars c) only the last bar - This should be synced with the tempo and the bars: when I press button = a), looping should only start at the beginning of the next 4 bar = sequence. It is a bit similar to the Ableton Beat Repeat functionality. But there = the maximum length is 1 bar and it does not sync to the tempo but just = starts looping right away. Thanks! Ander http://ander.fm= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 13:34:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19B0D183473; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=eycPx2Ilzo1EmvajP+v98s9wf4wADIPWRHx2wU2DIV8=; b=YIRRpVQolaxoFQnjoBD/NKSoKFQNGo4EBirAULJXVBDp+yFoPVcT/4ZlkATJ6dpo9g 5Ir6BbGAUnA2oXhq41fR66YHq+iESe/T7w33DPKsyfOkmlp56m+FOt0GS2sqn344U1g9 1/P4/2iDMwvR6Eu4pSkkLGk5PE6zmZggT5xkc= From: Christopher Darrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--169856797 Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 05:34:54 -0800 In-Reply-To: <8CE9C09A5355ED5-1740-6B7F3@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <8CE9C09A5355ED5-1740-6B7F3@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:34:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--169856797 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting. I would hazard a guess that your experience is the opposite = from most loopers.=20 While looping the mind is fully activated, when listening back the = longer periods of inaction or the periods of over-endulgement are = exposed.=20 But then again, Jerry Garcia threw Phil Lesch down half a flight of = stairs because he was so unhappy with a live performance he later (upon = listening back) thought was "crackling with energy" so maybe it's = actually a good sign that you're looping is past it's initial stage and = subject to the same follies as regular live music.=20 To stop waxing philosophical and answer the question, as cheesy is as it = may be, I would advise to try to pour yourself into the moment = regardless. To judge it is to be outside of it---a sort of constant = summing and finalization that disregards what it's about to become. = Instead, assume it's great and ask (listen for) what will make it even = better.=20 May sound like "wo-wo" crap but it's not. Especially when you factor in = a live performance where they're seeing your face, so self-fulfilling = prophesies abound. ---Christopher On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:44 AM, Patrick Bishop wrote: > Practice? What is it that you don't like? Is it the music you are = making that you dislike or is it something else? >=20 > PJ >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gmail > To: LD > Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:28 pm > Subject: Liking/Disliking your own music >=20 > I tend to not like my music during a loop session but after going back = and=20 > listening to the recording I end up liking it. How do I get myself to = enjoy=20 > looping and make it more interesting? --Apple-Mail-3--169856797 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

To stop waxing = philosophical and answer the question, as cheesy is as it may be, I = would advise to try to pour yourself into the moment regardless. To = judge it is to be outside of it---a sort of constant summing and = finalization that disregards what it's about to become. Instead, assume = it's great and ask (listen for) what will make it even = better. 

May sound like "wo-wo" crap but = it's not. Especially when you factor in a live performance where they're = seeing your face, so self-fulfilling prophesies = abound.


---Christopher
<= br>


On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:44 = AM, Patrick Bishop wrote:

Practice? What is it that you don't like? Is it the music you = are making that you dislike or is it something else?

PJ


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com>
To: LD <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:28 pm
Subject: Liking/Disliking your own music

I tend to not like my music during a =
loop session but after going back and=20
listening to the recording I end up liking it. How do I get myself to =
enjoy=20
looping and make it more interesting?

= --Apple-Mail-3--169856797-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 13:35:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C2E318347A; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F099B78.3080304@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:34:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for January 7, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:35:02 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2012/120107.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #215 January 7, 2012. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== cyberCHUMP Signals Scientists in the Trees (Internal Combustion) Modulator ESP Aurora * Aurora (none) VA [Steve Roach] Before the Sacrifice Sequences No. 17 VA [Bjorn Lynne] Who Knows Sequences No. 17 Sghor Without Instruments: Reversed and Uneasy Variations The Last in Minor Scale (Attenuation Circuit) Brian Parnham 1111 See None, Hear None, Speak None (Floating Point) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tron Syversen Longing Peaceful Journey (none) Hennie Bekker Amani Spectrum (Abbeywood) Rick Sirota Stand Up Stand Your Ground (none) Red Long Way Way To My Another Sun (Everything To Heart Excess) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Zen Rock and Roll Concerto for the Undone (Progrock) Original Sinners Spock's Beard Jaws of Heaven X (none) Ozone Player Accidental Long-range Influence (Visual Terrestrial Power) Intervention Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 15:17:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8478A183463; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=noGEZWrw2QmkJNiiZmqKjRO8b8G6yrj2j3qSRaOmqE8=; b=tUSklqNGSOjbC/sir70AXvLoX5pKVdgb1QHz18oTMRRx0ru6PLpxqgcCymxS+Z+aER NnNwQk8RfpXKZ3yIGqTZxkNtWOGoTzImWlSubRE5YWG4tPOFPfQiKr87fR6RsZ8M/UCE LX5rpu/e2aX/Ty88mRWj1FeTEAAvB2reZ/sl8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <473A9A5B-51B1-4540-A5F3-B5694E6E43D3@ander.fm> References: <473A9A5B-51B1-4540-A5F3-B5694E6E43D3@ander.fm> From: todd reynolds Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:17:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synced Looping device for Ableton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd8e4b5d17fc04b605c959 Resent-Message-ID: <0AQYtD.A.E8H.lObCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:17:57 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dd8e4b5d17fc04b605c959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This sounds like a pretty easy Max4Live implementation. Do you own Max4Live= ? On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:56 AM, ALEXander wrote: > Hi, I have been searching for a simple solution to this problem for a > while now, to no avail. Maybe you folks have an idea? > > I play a live set with Ableton Live, using Midi Loops. For mixing and > introducing new sounds, I am looking for a looping device (VST/AU audio > effect) that does the following: > > - Continously record the incoming audio signal and store it in a buffer > that is at least 4 bars long > - provide three buttons which, when activated, loop a) 4 bars b) the last > 2 bars c) only the last bar > - This should be synced with the tempo and the bars: when I press button > a), looping should only start at the beginning of the next 4 bar sequence= . > > It is a bit similar to the Ableton Beat Repeat functionality. But there > the maximum length is 1 bar and it does not sync to the tempo but just > starts looping right away. > > Thanks! > Ander > http://ander.fm > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --0016e6dd8e4b5d17fc04b605c959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This sounds like a pretty easy Max4Live implementation. Do you own Max4Live= ?

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:56 AM, ALEXand= er <ander@ander.fm> wrote:
Hi, I have been searching for a simple solut= ion to this problem for a while now, to no avail. Maybe you folks have an i= dea?

I play a live set with Ableton Live, using Midi Loops. For mixing and intro= ducing new sounds, I am looking for a looping device (VST/AU audio effect) = that does the following:

- Continously record the incoming audio signal and store it in a buffer tha= t is at least 4 bars long
- provide three buttons which, when activated, loop a) 4 bars b) the last 2= bars c) only the last bar
- This should be synced with the tempo and the bars: when I press button a)= , looping should only start at the beginning of the next 4 bar sequence.
It is a bit similar to the Ableton Beat Repeat functionality. But there the= maximum length is 1 bar and it does not sync to the tempo but just starts = looping right away.

Thanks!
Ander
http://ander.fm



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--0016e6dd8e4b5d17fc04b605c959-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:05:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E9EE183460; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DLzakI2HTWDBYQR8Lt8yS8LXRBcBBSxzcaNDMbx0GDg=; b=nVmRPZUcwNK88pGcQJnTC9cAMbxM3kcE6wzgN+0xYHxw51kakqqb3gVgeZmCWzs08U T4euLTo+i0LGcug8xUrI0kU+J912jGn/ofzHUcCty75TcRovWqlRO12c+nMoLsmbUFyv STENGDV6tCEp7szbS2WTHAp8Un7437Gbzn3iY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wackazong@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <473A9A5B-51B1-4540-A5F3-B5694E6E43D3@ander.fm> From: Ander Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:04:59 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6ByBv1n5dRJ5vRuonLEoZhpRAX4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synced Looping device for Ableton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:05:41 +0000 (UTC) I own it, but i cannot use it since it would be too heavy on my CPU. I need to use multiple instances of this and M4L is extremely CPU-hungry even if there is hardly any objects in the plugins. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > This sounds like a pretty easy Max4Live implementation. Do you own Max4Li= ve? > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:56 AM, ALEXander wrote: >> >> Hi, I have been searching for a simple solution to this problem for a >> while now, to no avail. Maybe you folks have an idea? >> >> I play a live set with Ableton Live, using Midi Loops. For mixing and >> introducing new sounds, I am looking for a looping device (VST/AU audio >> effect) that does the following: >> >> - Continously record the incoming audio signal and store it in a buffer >> that is at least 4 bars long >> - provide three buttons which, when activated, loop a) 4 bars b) the las= t >> 2 bars c) only the last bar >> - This should be synced with the tempo and the bars: when I press button >> a), looping should only start at the beginning of the next 4 bar sequenc= e. >> >> It is a bit similar to the Ableton Beat Repeat functionality. But there >> the maximum length is 1 bar and it does not sync to the tempo but just >> starts looping right away. >> >> Thanks! >> Ander >> http://ander.fm > > > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =E2=80=A2 The Best Classical Music of=C2=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com > > =E2=80=A2=C2=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now availab= le wherever > music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:05:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E65C183474; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=XF-PPS08zdoA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=_Bsxk5uTxEpIcqDf6M0A:9 a=rYPiMARd2V66eqfM4KcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:05:47 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:05:48 +0000 (UTC) I have a similar problem. Only rarely do I experience that "Aha, this is really pretty good!" = feeling during a music playing session. This is true whether it is a performance before an audience or just me = by myself at home. And, it is particularly true when there are certain factors involved, = like high expectations of myself. I have a particularly hyperactive and analytical internal self critic as = part of my personality. It has served me well in my professional life. But it is a killer for me in my several personal creative avocations. It's a little voice that whispers in my ear every few moments saying" = "This is crap. Is this the best you can do? You should do better." The best way I've found to defeat this voice is to try to "be casual" = try to empty my mind and have no expectations. It seems my "muse" (that fleeting spark, whatever it is, that sometimes = alights on my shoulder and makes magical things happen through my = fingers) only shows up when I an not consciously or actively pursuing = her. The more I practice, the more I build up in my mind that a particular = session or performance is going to be an "event" of some importance the = more it seems that my "critic" shows up instead of my "muse". It is a difficult trick sometimes, to do. I can more easily train my mind to "turn off" if the only preparation = for a session involved is to take a deep breath, walk out to the garage, = flip a switch or two, strap on the guitar and play. The more arduous and lengthy the the preparations for playing are = (travel, loading in, setting up, tuning, trouble shooting, sound = checking, and facing the audience) the more my mind tends to fall into = the old critical rut and says "This is a lot of work, it darn well = better be worth it bub. Don't blow it." Now at the age of 58 (nearly 59), sometimes the process just leaves me = physically and emotionally exhausted before even the first note is = played. The only help for it is to have a "break" of a few hours between all the = prep work and the performance. That way it is more like "home" where (again) I simply take a deep = breath, walk out to the stage, flip a switch or two, strap on the guitar = and play. That's the only way it works for me now. That's the only way I can fool myself into a "casual attitude", or a = "zen mind", or whatever descriptor is useful for you. Turn the "critic" off and create an opportunity where the muse might = show up. Turn of the part of your brain that is trying to impress somebody, or = trying to prove something. That is my experience at least. Cheers, Ted On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Gmail wrote: > I tend to not like my music during a loop session but after going back = and listening to the recording I end up liking it. How do I get myself = to enjoy looping and make it more interesting? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:28:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0691D183454; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 12:28:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDsHDFSByEa5B8YD5i7sj7Cm0QkE5fEHI/w Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111229-0, 12/29/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:28:39 +0000 (UTC) I used to be that way, but now I realize that at the time of creation, I have no perspective or ability to determine how "good" or viable a piece is. I've accepted that, so now I record everything, and the next morning I listen to it again. That's when I have a clear idea of whether what I played the night before is good, or whether it's a "What on earth was I thinking?" moment. In the creative process, there's nothing like walking away completely and then coming back when it comes to gaining perspective. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:41:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD701183462; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=gFh9hUnyQ9R3nNXwzfJ0IW6896jzWmeGFrSDKrURnvI=; b=OYc769VwemR/65B49rBXrObnXel/OMxA/etIAij6+D9uqs0Z4VUPH0Odf3Oy8iBwoX Bv2sfIMFH27YBT1mhMGENnwyVQPSMG59brsSrH8kMa8m/qgsLms4JHjaeJgfJynNetQJ qXu/xUslgkxYzHAl5kYF6ZswMVpcbYvrI0Pb4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:41:28 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Af06I0ePV6Xr6athJMEmZvoYwRw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303ea7a8ec859004b607cb42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:41:49 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303ea7a8ec859004b607cb42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have 2 points to make here, firstly my fear/expectation/ that it will be crap, (and because of acttually leading to it being crap) has gotten worse, the fewer gigs I do. I have promised myself at least 1 a year, but back in the days when I was playing upwards of a hundred gigs a year, the stress that I might make a mistake was nil, cos if I did, it was " well, better luck tomorrow" so I was releaxed and never made mistakes! Now that play once a yeaar (or thereabouts) even though t can be to about 25 people max, the pressure is ON for it to be a good'un, and it rarely is. Secondly I have always suffered from red-light syndrome, you know, the "rehersals go perfectly but as soon as the red light is on I fuck up!" thing. I used to ask the producers to let me hear the track a bunch of times, I would play over it, and they could take a few takes, but NEVER let me know which! (we once had to bag over the actual red light.) Which brings me to an interesting idea. On my TV I have a device where I can pause the TV. I can also rewind about 4 hours, as long as Im on the channel I want to rewind. If dinner interrupts Children's TV, we can keep the kids from revolution and violence. I'm thinking of PERMANENTLY having one plugged into the back of my rack, because the way it works is that its actually recording the whole time, and when I accidentaly do something that was good, I could just rewind and grab it! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303ea7a8ec859004b607cb42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 2 points to make here, firstly my fear/expectation/ that it will be = crap, (and because of acttually leading to it being crap) has gotten worse,= the fewer gigs I do.
I have promised myself at least 1 a year, but bac= k in the days when I was playing upwards of a hundred gigs a year, the stre= ss that I might make a mistake was nil, cos if I did, it was " well, b= etter luck tomorrow" so I was releaxed and never made mistakes!

Now that=A0 play once a yeaar (or thereabouts) even though t can be to = about 25 people max, the pressure is ON for it to be a good'un, and it = rarely is.

Secondly I have always suffered from red-light syndrome, = you know, the "rehersals go perfectly but as soon as the red light is = on I fuck up!" thing.

I=A0 used to ask the producers to let me hear the track a bunch of time= s, I would play over it, and they could take a few takes, but NEVER let me = know which! (we once had to bag over the actual red light.)

Which br= ings me to an interesting idea. On my TV I have a device where I can pause = the TV. I can also rewind about 4 hours, as long as Im on the channel I wan= t to rewind.
If dinner interrupts Children's TV, we can keep the kids from revolutio= n and violence.

I'm thinking of PERMANENTLY having one plugged = into the back of my rack, because the way it works is that its actually rec= ording the whole time, and when I accidentaly do something that was good, I= could just rewind and grab it!

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--20cf303ea7a8ec859004b607cb42-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 18:12:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774AF183460; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 595 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 18:12:09 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Pk/jx1o8ABaE0D0tKd/B69CUVj/LxsJNeuuM9LY6lEM= c=1 sm=2 a=XF-PPS08zdoA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=YciZdn8vt_t0_zhV5gcA:9 a=Y4p-h-zu0tVTTxCXfHUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=UhckcI4H09wYxVLO:21 a=o6Y3UA7KwN0Jr9kO:21 a=mrhEBxf97g7gqqTx3E0A:9 a=7NsD6yZAakltGAL0ShQA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.205.208 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--153818232 Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:02:12 -0800 In-Reply-To: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:12:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--153818232 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Love this thread and the responses so far. It's like war. If you stop to think too much, you die; you become = careless in your over thinking and raise your head above the foxhole to = look for an answer... you daydream and reveal your position to the enemy = in the trees.=20 Kaboom! The best solution is to see it all as a gift. The bad sessions improve = us and the good sessions approve us. Both are needed, like notes and = the silence between them. =20 What throws it all off is that, when we start out in music, we are = Mozart, Hendrix, Dylan, Lennon and John Cage (even though we only know = three chords and have one ardent fan). We are billionaires and love = everything we do. That sets a bad precedent and expectation for when = the buzz wears off and we see a balding grey haired fat button pusher = staring back out of the mirror who knows well the difference between our = skills and those of Mozart and Hendrix. =20 I think with time we learn better to sort of accept what comes. Accept = the gift and not look a gift horse in the mouth. It may be a show = horse, race horse or work horse. May be worth a million or 500 dollars. = Either way, the horse has value. Then we learn to use the gift as it = is for what it is. All of the replies about zen mind and the woo woo are spot on. Sanity = is something we are born with and lose over time. Regaining sanity is = not woo woo or new age or spiritual or anything like that. It's just = leaving the hall of mirrors and becoming a smart simpleton again.=20 Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes = that follow that make them bad. There are no bad sessions! It's our reactions, the note that follows, = that determines the value of any event, session, performance, recording = etc.=20 This is especially true now that we all own our own studios and are not = paying $75-$300 per hour for a horse! There are ways to train our minds to become sane again. They are all = like playing an instrument. Doesn't happen overnight, although some will = try to sell you that snake oil.=20 Just stay with it and enjoy, make the most of all of it. That's the = best any of us can do.=20 Or, more simply put, as guitar avatar Roy Buchannan said to me 30 some = years ago, "Just relax!" ... a terrific Zen koan! R richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:28 AM, BC wrote: > I used to be that way, but now I realize that at the time of creation, = I > have no perspective or ability to determine how "good" or viable a = piece > is. >=20 > I've accepted that, so now I record everything, and the next morning I > listen to it again. That's when I have a clear idea of whether what I = played > the night before is good, or whether it's a "What on earth was I = thinking?" > moment. >=20 > In the creative process, there's nothing like walking away completely = and > then coming back when it comes to gaining perspective. >=20 > Brian >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--153818232 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Love = this thread and the responses so far.

It's like war. =  If you stop to think too much, you die; you become careless in = your over thinking and raise your head above the foxhole to look for an = answer... you daydream and reveal your position to the enemy in the = trees. 

Kaboom!

The= best solution is to see it all as a gift.  The bad sessions = improve us and the good sessions approve us.  Both are needed, like = notes and the silence between them.  

What = throws it all off is that, when we start out in music, we are Mozart, = Hendrix, Dylan, Lennon and John Cage (even though we only know three = chords and have one ardent fan).  We are billionaires and love = everything we do.  That sets a bad precedent and expectation for = when the buzz wears off and we see a balding grey haired fat button = pusher staring back out of the mirror who knows well the difference = between our skills and those of Mozart and Hendrix. =   

I think with time we learn better = to sort of accept what comes.  Accept the gift and not look a gift = horse in the mouth.  It may be a show horse, race horse or work = horse.  May be worth a million or 500 dollars.  Either way, = the horse has value.   Then we learn to use the gift as it is for = what it is.

All of the replies about zen mind = and the woo woo are spot on.  Sanity is something we are born with = and lose over time.   Regaining sanity is not woo woo or new age or = spiritual or anything like that.  It's just leaving the hall of = mirrors and becoming a smart simpleton = again. 

Miles Davis said, paraphrase, = There are no bad notes, it's the notes that follow that make them = bad.

There are no bad sessions!  It's our = reactions, the note that follows, that determines the value of any = event, session, performance, recording = etc. 

This is especially true now that we = all own our own studios and are not paying $75-$300 per hour for a = horse!

There are ways to train our minds to = become sane again.  They are all like playing an instrument. = Doesn't happen overnight, although some will try to sell you that snake = oil. 

Just stay with it and enjoy, make = the most of all of it.  That's the best any of us can = do. 

Or, more simply put, as guitar avatar = Roy Buchannan said to me 30 some years ago, "Just = relax!"

... a terrific Zen = koan!

R

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:28 AM, BC wrote:

I = used to be that way, but now I realize that at the time of creation, = I
have no perspective or ability to determine  how "good" or = viable a piece
is.

I've accepted that, so now I record = everything, and the next morning I
listen to it again. That's when I = have a clear idea of whether what I played
the night before is good, = or whether it's a "What on earth was I thinking?"
moment.

In = the creative process, there's nothing like walking away completely = and
then coming back when it comes to gaining = perspective.

Brian


= --Apple-Mail-3--153818232-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 18:37:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A68A2183460; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:37:23 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1DDC3836-F73E-4F2A-8EC0-634692F11178@trufun.com> References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:37:28 +0000 (UTC) I have developed a practice of "no bad gigs": taking each performance on = its own terms and giving what is required. My attitude is that any time = I am being paid to play, or I have been invited to play, it is a good = thing and there is something to be gained form the experience: money, = applause, practice, what not to do next time, etc. I play lots of = different kinds of gigs. Some scenes are more song-oriented, e.g. a = house concert where my own compositions are the central focus; at the = Farmers' Market gigs (which I love), I play lots of familiar songs - old = favorites from my youth, etc. and I'm free to do a 20-minute loop piece = because no one is there specifically to hear me and I am just incidental = to the market experience. And so on. Next Saturday I have a gig at the Iron Springs Pub in Fairfax, = California. I played there the other night with Rubber Souldiers, a = "Beatles jam band" I do for fun (and money) with a couple of other guys. = We had a fine time, with a good crowd, and between the modest pay and a = full tip jar my share was $117. Saturday's gig will be different: the = 49ers' playoff game will be happening at the same time, in another part = of this one big room. The owner of the brewpub wants me to do it anyway, = and sort of apologized in advance for the weirdness I am likely to = experience. I have talked about my "no bad gigs" philosophy with him = before, and I said I'll be fine. My wife and I will have a nice meal, = I'll take home a few bucks, and I'll probably spend a good part of the = 2-hour gig doing loop improv, which I will record and (if all goes well) = develop into a new piece. The football fans will not pay attention to = me, and I will return the favor. There will be a few other people in the = room who are listening to me and not watching the Niners, and that will = be sufficient. I come from the Grateful Dead music culture, which has a long tradition = of recording everything, so I have a long-term practice of listening to = my performances to find out what worked and what didn't. These days the = technology makes it super easy to listen to last night's show on my way = to today's. I am pretty good at listening in a detached way, and I know = I hear a lot more flaws than the audience is likely to notice. As long = as my own standard is higher than the one I have to meet as a performer, = I will continue to improve. I am pretty much at the top of my game these = days, so I hardly ever hear anything cringe-worthy in these playbacks. = For me, the question has more to do with, Did I gig the gig what it = needed from me? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 19:37:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BF31183462; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PBW9iCnisd3OC9n867LaHiDLacsTJmRhEyfvMQOSLjU=; b=a2qTw7vlwIUCuNgKUySmNcLSIMJwPIjDn2FYaa/mOPvqDDYrtTZu93dK4Cb5VlKd5Q OMlSC+CWUhch5Q3WGtNZO9pyTfCd8M68mJB3XWBLj0URIIjB5Qs0wAnIOR6i1/+N3iHC PeoCfJBUVqR50VdY3uXiAdttjbXT/krRsQegY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1DDC3836-F73E-4F2A-8EC0-634692F11178@trufun.com> References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1DDC3836-F73E-4F2A-8EC0-634692F11178@trufun.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 12:37:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: David Gans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:37:56 +0000 (UTC) All I can contribute to this conversation is the following, lyrics from Steely Dan: "You gotta go back, Jack, Do it again =85" Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:37 AM, David Gans wrote: > > > I have developed a practice of "no bad gigs": taking each performance on = its own terms and giving what is required. My attitude is that any time I a= m being paid to play, or I have been invited to play, it is a good thing an= d there is something to be gained form the experience: money, applause, pra= ctice, what not to do next time, etc. I play lots of different kinds of gig= s. Some scenes are more song-oriented, e.g. a house concert where my own co= mpositions are the central focus; at the Farmers' Market gigs (which I love= ), I play lots of familiar songs - old favorites from my youth, etc. and I'= m free to do a 20-minute loop piece because no one is there specifically to= hear me and I am just incidental to the market experience. And so on. > > Next Saturday I have a gig at the Iron Springs Pub in Fairfax, California= . I played there the other night with Rubber Souldiers, a "Beatles jam band= " I do for fun (and money) with a couple of other guys. We had a fine time,= with a good crowd, and between the modest pay and a full tip jar my share = was $117. Saturday's gig will be different: the 49ers' playoff game will be= happening at the same time, in another part of this one big room. The owne= r of the brewpub wants me to do it anyway, and sort of apologized in advanc= e for the weirdness I am likely to experience. I have talked about my "no b= ad gigs" philosophy with him before, and I said I'll be fine. My wife and I= will have a nice meal, I'll take home a few bucks, and I'll probably spend= a good part of the 2-hour gig doing loop improv, which I will record and (= if all goes well) develop into a new piece. The football fans will not pay = attention to me, and I will return the favor. There will be a few other peo= ple in the room who are listening to me and not watching the Niners, and th= at will be sufficient. > > I come from the Grateful Dead music culture, which has a long tradition o= f recording everything, so I have a long-term practice of listening to my p= erformances to find out what worked and what didn't. These days the technol= ogy makes it super easy to listen to last night's show on my way to today's= . I am pretty good at listening in a detached way, and I know I hear a lot = more flaws than the audience is likely to notice. As long as my own standar= d is higher than the one I have to meet as a performer, I will continue to = improve. I am pretty much at the top of my game these days, so I hardly eve= r hear anything cringe-worthy in these playbacks. For me, the question has = more to do with, Did I gig the gig what it needed from me? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 19:55:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3854183466; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oiQfEv6Q5feHDilQbq+hEL8da4EEGxKZy1WDut23cGo=; b=Cpgy3qkHtceATh0rJVJ6phc6TLcbtcZEFKgHqtLe4fHqyNjnNVuIjuR2G5oBuq96SW kfWEFsm0pHR2ZaOE7RE7MBJ/3YF5RTVnoyrajK5pnEwlC/DaLbUB1y/hgSwHy02EQOOS ihJBzHk+37zd1gWh+m1yQxdDHXlKyxO2HQ7dw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1DDC3836-F73E-4F2A-8EC0-634692F11178@trufun.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:55:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340537db204204b609a843 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:55:11 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340537db204204b609a843 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 " I tend to not like my music during a loop session but after going back and listening to the recording I end up liking it. How do I get myself to enjoy looping and make it more interesting?" This is an issue with perspective and awareness. If you find you like your work after more time has past, you need to distance yourself from your work "in the moment." Meditation allows for this. Also, drugs were a device for this in music communities for a long time (still are, I read some remarks regarding looping and pot a while back on here. I dont make music while high- for many reasons- and Ive gone onto work on variations of listening perspectives to gain additional distance 'in the moment' and overcome the 'handicap'.) Part of the issue is feeling unease with letting processes work on their own. Control freaks need to control, but with looping- this is often detrimental to the success of the work. Composers tend to be control freaks. This is where the spiral begins.... After becoming comfortable with the process of looping in composition, I got to a point of listening to it exactly as it is. To get to that point, I think there has to be hundreds, if not thousands, of challenges (and assessments-in as real and objective terms as possible) to one's sensibilities- until it is possible to just one's own work without bias, sentimental or otherwise, or getting charmed by the 'newness' of it---or even resorting to like/dislike because of taste. --14dae9340537db204204b609a843 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable " I tend to not like my music during a loop session but after goi= ng back and listening to the recording I end up liking it. How do I get mys= elf to enjoy looping and make it more interesting?"

This i= s an issue with perspective and awareness. If you find you like your work a= fter more time has past, you need to distance yourself from your work "= ;in the moment."

Meditation allows for= this. Also, drugs were a device for this in music communities for a long t= ime (still are, =A0I read some remarks regarding looping and pot a while ba= ck on here. I dont make music while high- for many reasons- and Ive gone on= to work on variations of listening perspectives to gain additional distance= 'in the moment' and overcome the 'handicap'.)

Part of the issue is = feeling unease with letting processes work on their own. Control freaks nee= d to control, but with looping- this is often detrimental to the success of= the work. Composers tend to be control freaks. =A0This is where the spiral= begins....

After becoming comfor= table with the process of looping in composition, I got to a point of liste= ning to it exactly as it is. To get to that point, I think there has to be = hundreds, if not thousands, of challenges (and assessments-in as real and o= bjective terms as possible) to one's sensibilities- until it is possibl= e to just one's own work without bias, sentimental or otherwise, or get= ting charmed by the 'newness' of it---or even resorting to like/dis= like because of taste.=A0


--14dae9340537db204204b609a843-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 19:55:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFFC8183465; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G3TlC67ioSFzyzwMWYdxBzHDxvve8DrFuUktoj3T+ik=; b=jQAEReb5oxyMCAv1F7W//YsjvWgFsk1gUju1R4wHIUui0Pw+t+wcGKMCwWApC6MXD5 vaZHOujx5umSR0sQKzoWPCS/mlN62PiaX+AfNUP4E6pCwpIZIrUO/jbbY5umiiw56n9m T7s+yv8upcsUg4FScy57sZDkT3Sd8OqesWzaU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1DDC3836-F73E-4F2A-8EC0-634692F11178@trufun.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:55:39 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <23jS0.A.BtD.-SfCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Take up golf. You'll like looping by comparison. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Dennis Moser wrot= e: > All I can contribute to this conversation is the following, lyrics > from Steely Dan: > > "You gotta go back, Jack, > Do it again =85" > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:37 AM, David Gans wrote: >> >> >> I have developed a practice of "no bad gigs": taking each performance on= its own terms and giving what is required. My attitude is that any time I = am being paid to play, or I have been invited to play, it is a good thing a= nd there is something to be gained form the experience: money, applause, pr= actice, what not to do next time, etc. I play lots of different kinds of gi= gs. Some scenes are more song-oriented, e.g. a house concert where my own c= ompositions are the central focus; at the Farmers' Market gigs (which I lov= e), I play lots of familiar songs - old favorites from my youth, etc. and I= 'm free to do a 20-minute loop piece because no one is there specifically t= o hear me and I am just incidental to the market experience. And so on. >> >> Next Saturday I have a gig at the Iron Springs Pub in Fairfax, Californi= a. I played there the other night with Rubber Souldiers, a "Beatles jam ban= d" I do for fun (and money) with a couple of other guys. We had a fine time= , with a good crowd, and between the modest pay and a full tip jar my share= was $117. Saturday's gig will be different: the 49ers' playoff game will b= e happening at the same time, in another part of this one big room. The own= er of the brewpub wants me to do it anyway, and sort of apologized in advan= ce for the weirdness I am likely to experience. I have talked about my "no = bad gigs" philosophy with him before, and I said I'll be fine. My wife and = I will have a nice meal, I'll take home a few bucks, and I'll probably spen= d a good part of the 2-hour gig doing loop improv, which I will record and = (if all goes well) develop into a new piece. The football fans will not pay= attention to me, and I will return the favor. There will be a few other pe= ople in the room who are listening to me and not watching the Niners, and t= hat will be sufficient. >> >> I come from the Grateful Dead music culture, which has a long tradition = of recording everything, so I have a long-term practice of listening to my = performances to find out what worked and what didn't. These days the techno= logy makes it super easy to listen to last night's show on my way to today'= s. I am pretty good at listening in a detached way, and I know I hear a lot= more flaws than the audience is likely to notice. As long as my own standa= rd is higher than the one I have to meet as a performer, I will continue to= improve. I am pretty much at the top of my game these days, so I hardly ev= er hear anything cringe-worthy in these playbacks. For me, the question has= more to do with, Did I gig the gig what it needed from me? >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 20:00:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59588183462; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LdEvXzVU2EwReWn8rBbDr6fQWLIiMHaK41xq+PlnjQ8=; b=nmwUVXxy+cfbvRyrDyo9cUnO35opJSvkPRCKzyquHgWEFE2ARP79mJKAw1MKvl+kh0 F9f92Fnf5pZW2WXUWCm7/h2eqLC0P+HMKDnGip5/87yQjC1uRpBwms2hOfuBGkzf9H9R w0lMEMLYBzysfYWpAk/745XonpuDsLODiq1EA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <473A9A5B-51B1-4540-A5F3-B5694E6E43D3@ander.fm> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:00:04 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synced Looping device for Ableton Live From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3Km-yC.A.szD.FXfCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Not if you build in abstractions. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Ander wrote: > I own it, but i cannot use it since it would be too heavy on my CPU. I > need to use multiple instances of this and M4L is extremely CPU-hungry > even if there is hardly any objects in the plugins. > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM, todd reynolds wrote: >> This sounds like a pretty easy Max4Live implementation. Do you own Max4L= ive? >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:56 AM, ALEXander wrote: >>> >>> Hi, I have been searching for a simple solution to this problem for a >>> while now, to no avail. Maybe you folks have an idea? >>> >>> I play a live set with Ableton Live, using Midi Loops. For mixing and >>> introducing new sounds, I am looking for a looping device (VST/AU audio >>> effect) that does the following: >>> >>> - Continously record the incoming audio signal and store it in a buffer >>> that is at least 4 bars long >>> - provide three buttons which, when activated, loop a) 4 bars b) the la= st >>> 2 bars c) only the last bar >>> - This should be synced with the tempo and the bars: when I press butto= n >>> a), looping should only start at the beginning of the next 4 bar sequen= ce. >>> >>> It is a bit similar to the Ableton Beat Repeat functionality. But there >>> the maximum length is 1 bar and it does not sync to the tempo but just >>> starts looping right away. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Ander >>> http://ander.fm >> >> >> >> >> -- >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> =95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com >> >> =95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available where= ver >> music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> http://toddreynolds.com >> http://twitter.com/digifiddler >> http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic >> http://blog.toddreynolds.com >> http://facebook.com/toddreynolds >> http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 20:03:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B986E183461; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:03:26 -0600 Message-ID: <00ff01ccce40$97200a70$c5601f50$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQDsHDFSByEa5B8YD5i7sj7Cm0QkE5fERi2A X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:03:29 +0000 (UTC) I love all the responses, thus far. It might be worth asking, "What is It about this piece that I like?" and then make a conscious effort to duplicate that the next time you're playing. Ted's response is particularly poignant and rings true in many ways with myself. I (solo or with bands) have always built a buffer time into the setup and play experience, to come down from being roadie and critic and get back into the role of entertainer and artist. Not that artists aren't critical, we often are. But sometimes, especially during spontaneous creation, there needs to be the focus on dwelling in the moment, the joy in the process. For an exercise you might want to try NOT recording what you're doing. There is no critique session, no post-analysis. Just you, your instruments, your heart, soul and muses. Let yourself be one with the music and the process with the knowledge that this is for you and walls to hear and remember. My guess is that at the end, you may actually wish you recorded it ;-) ~peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com -----Original Message----- From: Gmail [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 2:28 AM To: LD Subject: Liking/Disliking your own music I tend to not like my music during a loop session but after going back and listening to the recording I end up liking it. How do I get myself to enjoy looping and make it more interesting? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 20:10:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9A718345F; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D2EF1B3E-65DA-4C79-933A-0E8F1CE2EE81" From: Loren Claypool In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:10:03 -0600 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:10:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_D2EF1B3E-65DA-4C79-933A-0E8F1CE2EE81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Fabio, Besides the wonderful arrangement, excellent and precise playing, and = tremendous real-time execution, this video makes me smile. Nicely done = and thank you for sharing. All the best, Loren Claypool genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Fabio Katz wrote: > Hi everybody, >=20 > I am new to this forum! >=20 > For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a = wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound = variety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching = instruments, each contributing its natural sound. >=20 > Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and = acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys think. >=20 > Thanks! > Fabio --Apple-Mail=_D2EF1B3E-65DA-4C79-933A-0E8F1CE2EE81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Fabio,

Besides the wonderful arrangement, excellent and precise playing, and tremendous real-time execution, this video makes me smile. Nicely done and thank you for sharing.

All the best,

Loren Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there



On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Fabio Katz wrote:

Hi everybody,

I am new to this forum!

For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound variety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, each contributing its natural sound.

Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys think.

Thanks!
Fabio

--Apple-Mail=_D2EF1B3E-65DA-4C79-933A-0E8F1CE2EE81-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 20:37:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D0C7183465; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=x+mkRr+95jt020lhRcutYsCZGJx1VAY8rG+xHycHo4M=; b=w/sHXsqGz9HMlr47L3NVcx50RDrUEwF9xTuWf0z5hGHrthaOV7ikFJVfWMnG9k5o6f 1ZFeJ4EM7nfz0A2Xitk2/kK8wRdpBKJE+OE3rfSJWbc0nV1V2eRZgho6pbmvNiBRAwiO u/2uG8G0LfA4ol8wvalys+ytzqnJ2sbXSdIPU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:37:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping From: Fabio Katz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f235589c363b004b60a401d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:37:41 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f235589c363b004b60a401d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Loren, Thank you so much for your kind words! I am really glad it makes you smile :-) Cheers, Fabio On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Loren Claypool wrote: > Fabio, > > Besides the wonderful arrangement, excellent and precise playing, and > tremendous real-time execution, this video makes me smile. Nicely done and > thank you for sharing. > > All the best, > > Loren Claypool > genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music > www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there > > > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Fabio Katz wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > I am new to this forum! > > For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a wide > range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound variety. > Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching instruments, > each contributing its natural sound. > > Please check out this video I made looping > with ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys think. > > Thanks! > Fabio > > > --e89a8f235589c363b004b60a401d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Loren,

Thank you so much for your kind words! =A0I am= really glad it makes you smile :-)

Cheers,
<= div>Fabio

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM,= Loren Claypool <looper@theclaypools.com> wrote:
Fabio,
Besides the wonderful arrangement, excellent and precise = playing, and tremendous real-time execution, this video makes me smile. Nic= ely done and thank you for sharing.

All the best,

Loren Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental gui= tar music
www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there



On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Fabio Katz wrote:

Hi everybody,

I am new to this forum= !

For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapma= n Stick, which has a wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound ef= fects for sound variety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while = switching instruments, each contributing its natural sound.

Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and ac= oustic guitar and let me know what you guys think.

Thanks!
Fabio


--e89a8f235589c363b004b60a401d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 21:23:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A088183463; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RbYyFG/IaQ45ycdeAL1dKz2DI5pGAdYSxeLwYEhnllQ=; b=m2XxExXme43ySP7+8lhfBUNXODfMHKEqh5zyvRTzAcLPgICA2rM/wJacAa6jDtzdJ2 jV1xPw2RPoe7/JqrQVSCtQ3KElfpEc5TxqkELQZIKmXuRXtv5L1MvZSLCO2VIp1OL8Jc QbLen+Mck66NMMF2rsnCqcKIFXzsAPnatcK38= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:23:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:23:43 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, richard sales wrote: > Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes that > follow that make them bad. How true! I have nothing to add. Well, maybe that this proves that it is all about listening. Greetings from Istanbul Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 21:25:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21344183464; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uWL9Om3unFECdt6xs2vdzjHg0qRcPkYdvB4NhCinaHY=; b=frzFZtTbhJ2QsPF7FTfzGwjqoj9SWnJ3eu2dgbZFwpwaMxZeweyuYd+Dow1AjiThrB o4dsAmMl66bZQH0Bjqw1nJNEfCrSJKrK/DZv2CAx3QILkox4IK4uChh67JB1jJ6OZ3zP 7+pqiamqXsx77whg0A6fkmy2Erdf+b5j3dYpU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1DDC3836-F73E-4F2A-8EC0-634692F11178@trufun.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:25:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7_P6AC.A.3XF.6mgCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:25:14 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Take up golf. You'll like looping by comparison. LOL - best hint so far! :-) pboy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 21:26:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997F0183462; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MPz5FICu2wZwEifiwYpif1hvX0f1SzhLyfx0vtsqdss=; b=mj0Hkj6MY3m1Ik2gUBOf36sPh+KHoqpajcwcCMhDJr8Xy7g01BiWEHQOOhM+5+cvPt R0xs41hVvVRTqoEmVvk0B46K14jxhVKEk2OtMWOZCX+s0M6yLhSuU5ViGNkxO3zj8LuA 6hGGi1/XZEsaTK+xN2jknVN+HSusqEfI86YTc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:26:51 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music From: Larry Salzman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340dd3becd3504b60af0f3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:26:52 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340dd3becd3504b60af0f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello everyone I am new to the group. Below is an example of my looping. Its camera audio only. Larry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkCuCwLLNxU --14dae9340dd3becd3504b60af0f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone I am new to the group. Below is an example of my looping. It= s camera audio only.=A0
Larry

--14dae9340dd3becd3504b60af0f3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 21:32:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6392183461; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lRUl8c+zJhs+Z9HTXpG7NfyBDbTYo2XT+6cRlmiZ3Wo=; b=in/2q6EJ+/Lx1s0b4Vh7PFGjcizaFs48TwK1utsuA1NHEVE2mb5cr/o9cOfulhKrH+ j3RxNDopymx+HxL48VBf0ijrBKNHPpt992wfM3D6GnAYC3eBdZPAwnn5YyD8A6O/pr3L R59Xp9wi8AfwfWFAcHWJnNXtqo68L9GOpL4Os= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <473A9A5B-51B1-4540-A5F3-B5694E6E43D3@ander.fm> References: <473A9A5B-51B1-4540-A5F3-B5694E6E43D3@ander.fm> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:32:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synced Looping device for Ableton Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Alexander, This would be easy to set up with any decent looper plugin (Mobius, SooperLooper, Augustus Loop...). The method would be to open three instances of the looper, each one set to the appropriate length (4 bars, 2 bars, 1 bar). Set them up on a parallel channel and set to not put through any input monitoring. Then simply close the loop for whatever instance/lenght you wish and this one will start playing back its content. Greetings from Istanbul Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:56 AM, ALEXander wrote: > Hi, I have been searching for a simple solution to this problem for a while now, to no avail. Maybe you folks have an idea? > > I play a live set with Ableton Live, using Midi Loops. For mixing and introducing new sounds, I am looking for a looping device (VST/AU audio effect) that does the following: > > - Continously record the incoming audio signal and store it in a buffer that is at least 4 bars long > - provide three buttons which, when activated, loop a) 4 bars b) the last 2 bars c) only the last bar > - This should be synced with the tempo and the bars: when I press button a), looping should only start at the beginning of the next 4 bar sequence. > > It is a bit similar to the Ableton Beat Repeat functionality. But there the maximum length is 1 bar and it does not sync to the tempo but just starts looping right away. > > Thanks! > Ander > http://ander.fm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 22:33:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 383EF183460; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--137536037 Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:33:34 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:33:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--137536037 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a great thread. It was exactly that hyper-critical voice that drove me away from = performance almost 20 years ago, and with which I am wrestling anew = these days. As with so many here, I too found that whatever I was so = painfully unhappy with in the moment was often quite enjoyable after the = fact, with some distance, listening to a recording or video. But that = pain in the moment was excruciating and I was not able to defeat it = then. At a recent looping event, one performer delivered something so = transcendent and intimate, I had to ask: how on earth were you able to = allow yourself to go so deep, spontaneously, in this artificial, = fraught, performance context? The performer looked me straight in the eye, and without waiting a beat, = said "Lorazepam." :) Fricking genius. I am not even kidding. Never occurred to me before :) = And I am not advocating Hendrix hallucinogens or dopey weeds, or other = "mind-expanding" or "performance enhancing" shenanigans, just thinking = that a tiny bit of therapeutic pharmacology to take the edge off a = debilitating inner critic might well be very useful. For me anyway. Phil :) On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Larry Salzman wrote: > Hello everyone I am new to the group. Below is an example of my = looping. Its camera audio only.=20 > Larry >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgkCuCwLLNxU --Apple-Mail-1--137536037 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii This = is a great thread.

It was exactly that hyper-critical = voice that drove me away from performance almost 20 years ago, and with = which I am wrestling anew these days. As with so many here, I too found = that whatever I was so painfully unhappy with in the moment was often = quite enjoyable after the fact, with some distance, listening to a = recording or video. But that pain in the moment was excruciating and I = was not able to defeat it then.

At a recent = looping event, one performer delivered something so transcendent and = intimate, I had to ask: how on earth were you able to allow yourself to = go so deep, spontaneously, in this artificial, fraught, performance = context?

The performer looked me straight in = the eye, and without waiting a beat, said "Lorazepam." =  :)

Fricking genius. I am not even = kidding. Never occurred to me before :) And I am not advocating Hendrix = hallucinogens or dopey weeds, or other "mind-expanding" or "performance = enhancing" shenanigans, just thinking that a tiny bit of therapeutic = pharmacology to take the edge off a debilitating inner critic might well = be very useful.  For me anyway.

Phil = :)




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On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:26 PM, = Larry Salzman wrote:

Hello = everyone I am new to the group. Below is an example of my looping. Its = camera audio only. 
Larry


= --Apple-Mail-1--137536037-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 22:40:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CBC918345D; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:40:48 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BC CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Liking/Disliking your own music References: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:40:57 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, BC wrote: > .......so now I record everything, and the next morning I > listen to it again. That's when I have a clear idea of whether what I played > the night before is good, or whether it's a "What on earth was I thinking?" > moment. > > In the creative process, there's nothing like walking away completely and > then coming back when it comes to gaining perspective. I'm glad you mentioned this, Brian. It reminded me that years ago in the band Tao Chemical, we had musicians (including myself) who suffered from a fascistic self critical element in their personalities. We would be really emotional after a gig, especially if there were fuckups (and we were rehearsing 5 nights a week, religiously without cease so we were really, really tight and really, really critical) and arguments and fights would break out if we talked about things in the heat of the critical moment. It just kept happening and it was really, really unpleasant. Finally in the band, we instituted a rule that stated simply: "You cannot discuss and critique the night's gig until the next day." This really worked for us and for the most part I've tried to remember it (even with regards to myself doing a solo show) ever since. **************************** About liking and disliking one's music, I do also have to say that a couple of things have helped me with my own extremely self critical attitude towards my playing and the constant unhappiness I experienced at one point. 1) I just kept noticing that the audience's perceptions were so vastly different than my own. Frequently, things that I thought were disastrous would be viewed by audience members as being really excellent. I even began to see that audience members would actually root for me if I had technical failures, especially if I didn't visibly freak out on stage when one was happening (lol, which just has happened very frequently all of my performing life with electronics). I then began observing others with an eye towards this phenomenon (the loop festival has been a godsend in this observatory regard) and discovered that it seemed to be universal. I noticed that a very large percentage of performers (indeed, a very large percentage of people in our culture) have low self esteem and don't really perceive themselves or their performances objectively. As an audience member, I observed that many artists seemed to steal their own pleasure from their performances because they were looking at the proceedings with 'shit colored spectacles', as it were. It's much easier said than done to "just take a deep breath, put a smile on your face and try to have fun." on stage, but I did see that people who adopted that strategy seemed to perform better and certainly seemed to be happier. Of course, not everyone can escape the confines of their personality. I certainly couldn't, so, at one point 2) I went and did a lot of professional psychological therapy around how bad I felt about myself. I learned how the gestalt of my own very unhappy family that I grew up in had contributed to the way I felt and importantly, the way I framed the way I felt. That therapy changed me and I can honestly say, saved my life. In the group I was in for a few years, there were adults of all ages, so I got to watch people transform their lives for the better because they did the very hard work and addressed the issues of their own unhappiness. I have to say, everyone that I saw who did the work, got better........they didn't even necessarily raise their own self esteem but they all gained valuable tools to help them deal with those feelings and how to act given that re-framing. Through all of this I came to a radical change in the way I view emotions from the way I viewed them until I was almost middle aged. I came to believe that we are not our emotions, but rather that our emotions flow through us. I began to realize that I might feel devastatingly depressed about a performance one day and that I might feel completely and even diametrically different about it the next day or week. Given that discrepancy what emotion was I? The answer is I felt one emotion at one point and another emotion at another point. I've come to believe that attaching ourselves to our current emotion, especially if it is a really unpleasant one ends up insuring that the emotion will stay around for a long time. People in recovery call it 'white knuckling'. I can always tell now when I am stuck emotionally........there is always that 'white knuckling' aspect to my unhappiness. I've also learned that I get really narcissistic, the more miserable I feel. It's really helped me to identify that..........and to purposefully and even knee jerkedly try to reach out to other human beings as a way of breaking my own unhappy cycle. I learned that cliched but for me, effective phrase, "This too, soon shall pass" and it's helped me a lot. Do I still want to beat myself up after a particular snafu or unrealized expectation at a gig..............sure, but I've learned that I only rob myself of my own pleasure if I hang on to it for very long. For now, I try to breathe deep, be gracious if anyone compliments me (contradicting my own experiences of the performance) and to NEVER listen to the recording of the gig for a couple of days afterwards. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 22:45:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F41CC183465; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0A1C6B.8000006@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:44:59 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard sales CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for another fantastic post, Richard. There is much wisdom in this one. On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote: > Love this thread and the responses so far. > > It's like war. If you stop to think too much, you die; you become > careless in your over thinking and raise your head above the foxhole > to look for an answer... you daydream and reveal your position to the > enemy in the trees. > > Kaboom! > > The best solution is to see it all as a gift. The bad sessions > improve us and the good sessions approve us. Both are needed, like > notes and the silence between them. > > What throws it all off is that, when we start out in music, we are > Mozart, Hendrix, Dylan, Lennon and John Cage (even though we only know > three chords and have one ardent fan). We are billionaires and love > everything we do. That sets a bad precedent and expectation for when > the buzz wears off and we see a balding grey haired fat button pusher > staring back out of the mirror who knows well the difference between > our skills and those of Mozart and Hendrix. > > I think with time we learn better to sort of accept what comes. > Accept the gift and not look a gift horse in the mouth. It may be a > show horse, race horse or work horse. May be worth a million or 500 > dollars. Either way, the horse has value. Then we learn to use the > gift as it is for what it is. > > All of the replies about zen mind and the woo woo are spot on. Sanity > is something we are born with and lose over time. Regaining sanity > is not woo woo or new age or spiritual or anything like that. It's > just leaving the hall of mirrors and becoming a smart simpleton again. > > Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes > that follow that make them bad. > > There are no bad sessions! It's our reactions, the note that follows, > that determines the value of any event, session, performance, > recording etc. > > This is especially true now that we all own our own studios and are > not paying $75-$300 per hour for a horse! > > There are ways to train our minds to become sane again. They are all > like playing an instrument. Doesn't happen overnight, although some > will try to sell you that snake oil. > > Just stay with it and enjoy, make the most of all of it. That's the > best any of us can do. > > Or, more simply put, as guitar avatar Roy Buchannan said to me 30 some > years ago, "Just relax!" > > ... a terrific Zen koan! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 22:47:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43B8618345C; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:47:06 -0800 Cc: BC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: <63DgaD.A.iqG.tzhCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Bravo, Rick. Thank you for this post ! On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, BC wrote: >> .......so now I record everything, and the next morning I >> listen to it again. That's when I have a clear idea of whether what I = played >> the night before is good, or whether it's a "What on earth was I = thinking?" >> moment. >>=20 >> In the creative process, there's nothing like walking away completely = and >> then coming back when it comes to gaining perspective. > I'm glad you mentioned this, Brian. >=20 > It reminded me that years ago in the band Tao Chemical, we had = musicians (including myself) who suffered > from a fascistic self critical element in their personalities. >=20 > We would be really emotional after a gig, especially if there were = fuckups (and we were rehearsing > 5 nights a week, religiously without cease so we were really, really = tight and really, really critical) and arguments > and fights would break out if we talked about things in the heat of = the critical moment. >=20 > It just kept happening and it was really, really unpleasant. >=20 > Finally in the band, we instituted a rule that stated simply: >=20 > "You cannot discuss and critique the night's gig until the next day." >=20 > This really worked for us and for the most part I've tried to remember = it (even with regards > to myself doing a solo show) ever since. >=20 > **************************** >=20 > About liking and disliking one's music, I do also have to say that a = couple of things have helped me with my > own extremely self critical attitude towards my playing and the = constant unhappiness I experienced > at one point. >=20 > 1) I just kept noticing that the audience's perceptions were so = vastly different than my own. >=20 > Frequently, things that I thought were disastrous would be viewed by = audience members > as being really excellent. I even began to see that audience = members would actually root for me > if I had technical failures, especially if I didn't visibly freak out = on stage when one was happening > (lol, which just has happened very frequently all of my performing = life with electronics). >=20 > I then began observing others with an eye towards this phenomenon (the = loop festival has been a godsend > in this observatory regard) and discovered that it seemed to be = universal. >=20 > I noticed that a very large percentage of performers (indeed, a very = large percentage of people in our culture) > have low self esteem and don't really perceive themselves or their = performances objectively. >=20 > As an audience member, I observed that many artists seemed to steal = their own pleasure from their performances > because they were looking at the proceedings with 'shit colored = spectacles', as it were. >=20 > It's much easier said than done to "just take a deep breath, put a = smile on your face and try to have fun." on > stage, but I did see that people who adopted that strategy seemed to = perform better and certainly seemed to be happier. >=20 > Of course, not everyone can escape the confines of their personality. = I certainly couldn't, so, at one point >=20 > 2) I went and did a lot of professional psychological therapy around = how bad I felt about myself. > I learned how the gestalt of my own very unhappy family that I grew = up in had contributed to the way I felt and importantly, > the way I framed the way I felt. >=20 > That therapy changed me and I can honestly say, saved my life. >=20 > In the group I was in for a few years, there were adults of all ages, = so I got to watch people transform their lives > for the better because they did the very hard work and addressed the = issues of their own unhappiness. >=20 > I have to say, everyone that I saw who did the work, got = better........they didn't even necessarily raise their own self esteem > but they all gained valuable tools to help them deal with those = feelings and how to act given that re-framing. >=20 > Through all of this I came to a radical change in the way I view = emotions from the way I viewed them until I > was almost middle aged. >=20 > I came to believe that we are not our emotions, but rather that our = emotions flow through us. >=20 > I began to realize that I might feel devastatingly depressed about a = performance one day and that I might > feel completely and even diametrically different about it the next day = or week. Given that discrepancy > what emotion was I? The answer is I felt one emotion at one point = and another emotion at another point. >=20 > I've come to believe that attaching ourselves to our current emotion, = especially if it is a really unpleasant one > ends up insuring that the emotion will stay around for a long time. = People in recovery call it 'white knuckling'. > I can always tell now when I am stuck emotionally........there is = always that 'white knuckling' > aspect to my unhappiness. I've also learned that I get really = narcissistic, the more miserable I feel. It's really helped > me to identify that..........and to purposefully and even knee = jerkedly try to reach out to other human beings > as a way of breaking my own unhappy cycle. >=20 > I learned that cliched but for me, effective phrase, "This too, soon = shall pass" and it's helped me a lot. >=20 > Do I still want to beat myself up after a particular snafu or = unrealized expectation at a gig..............sure, but > I've learned that I only rob myself of my own pleasure if I hang on to = it for very long. >=20 > For now, I try to breathe deep, be gracious if anyone compliments me = (contradicting my own experiences of the performance) > and to NEVER listen to the recording of the gig for a couple of days = afterwards. >=20 > rick walker >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 23:46:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE6D0183461; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=NlUgE4JPy/dBeDf0LDjdSnD0JfQ9qFQ9Z4ZU3DXbUhQ= c=1 sm=2 a=cHfHOQoF5psA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=q9MOMtOSSNZpYYYemzYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=2q3uytcGORfCvrQfYC0A:9 a=2UKlAp9FAK3LE65nm5gA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.205.208 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--133163498 Subject: Re: Switching instruments while looping Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:46:27 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:46:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--133163498 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very nice, Fabio! Gotta LOVE that Hofner bass. All sweet. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 3, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Fabio Katz wrote: > Hi everybody, >=20 > I am new to this forum! >=20 > For years I used my Echoplex along with a Chapman Stick, which has a = wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), and sound effects for sound = variety. Lately I started experimenting with looping while switching = instruments, each contributing its natural sound. >=20 > Please check out this video I made looping with ukulele, bass and = acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys think. >=20 > Thanks! > Fabio --Apple-Mail-3--133163498 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Very = nice, Fabio!

Gotta LOVE that Hofner bass.   All = sweet.

richard sales
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On Jan 3, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Fabio Katz wrote:

Hi = everybody,

I am new to this = forum!

For years I used my Echoplex along with = a Chapman Stick, which has a wide range (5 octaves for the 12-string), = and sound effects for sound variety. Lately I started experimenting with = looping while switching instruments, each contributing its natural = sound.

Please check out this video I made looping with = ukulele, bass and acoustic guitar and let me know what you guys = think.

Thanks!
Fabio

= --Apple-Mail-3--133163498-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 23:50:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B28C183463; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=q+RSRGykNxesKaJgLpPQ7MMEKgtZU92lr4qp8AvYEz0=; b=avI9raUfRQVShW7TxECdGnJY3yLLnAgLGnenyRVd0hBufH+WYf0d30+iv+Ty3aHBGL Gv0WQQeMMB2oJOSpvjLIH1s9fypY+HH2/Vsg+bzWs3m/JmXYd01vVelaZcZiOeJPhXN3 7U5BGttl1nAk8ghWlCp/N/D86H5L6LEeAZyDU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <473A9A5B-51B1-4540-A5F3-B5694E6E43D3@ander.fm> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:50:37 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synced Looping device for Ableton Live From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:50:39 +0000 (UTC) If you can build it in Max, save it as a stand-alone patch and recall (as many times as you need) it within a master patch to save CPU. Less GUI is better. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > This would be easy to set up with any decent looper plugin (Mobius, > SooperLooper, Augustus Loop...). The method would be to open three > instances of the looper, each one set to the appropriate length (4 > bars, 2 bars, 1 bar). Set them up on a parallel channel and set to not > put through any input monitoring. Then simply close the loop for > whatever instance/lenght you wish and this one will start playing back > its content. > > Greetings from Istanbul > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:56 AM, ALEXander wrote: >> Hi, I have been searching for a simple solution to this problem for a while now, to no avail. Maybe you folks have an idea? >> >> I play a live set with Ableton Live, using Midi Loops. For mixing and introducing new sounds, I am looking for a looping device (VST/AU audio effect) that does the following: >> >> - Continously record the incoming audio signal and store it in a buffer that is at least 4 bars long >> - provide three buttons which, when activated, loop a) 4 bars b) the last 2 bars c) only the last bar >> - This should be synced with the tempo and the bars: when I press button a), looping should only start at the beginning of the next 4 bar sequence. >> >> It is a bit similar to the Ableton Beat Repeat functionality. But there the maximum length is 1 bar and it does not sync to the tempo but just starts looping right away. >> >> Thanks! >> Ander >> http://ander.fm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 00:14:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DCA6183462; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 00:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=W8PftYg1qtfWOZEh1XwEob6dLvgFwc0hUeC03pUVC+U=; b=QMET6wGR8uFkf6w4v4OwcpFT1Y7FDLv6yQ75kSJL4SzTB24IEzPiB+q11rwKhqvzmX Rq16/2F20l6jrnRoLykhj2R8Y9M+hBrXIkn3FClKHN+27dkogiDok0V90OV7OP14EmIM JcuB7Ibq/TbiF69YzOJ84mCABliVVdCR4DVxs= Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <00ff01ccce40$97200a70$c5601f50$@michaelplishka.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <00ff01ccce40$97200a70$c5601f50$@michaelplishka.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:13:56 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 00:14:03 +0000 (UTC) I totally agree with your perspective. Along with everyone else's too. I ten= d to find that my best work has come from me just hitting the record button= and just going into it. It seems like I end up happier when I don't try to t= hink up a chord progression before hand. I did a performance at my birthday p= arty. I had about 20 people at the house to watch, with some cool strobe lig= ht FX. I gave myself about 7 seconds to thing up a quick drum sequence and t= hen just dove right in. I wish I would have recorded the direct audio becaus= e that was one of my favorites ever. If you guys want to check it out search= gumdrops27 on youtube and I thing its live loop 8. BTW thanks to all who ar= e responding. I'm getting far far more responses than I expected and it's my= first post ever :) Sent from my iPod On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:03 PM, wrote: > I love all the responses, thus far. It might be worth asking, "What is It= > about this piece that I like?" and then make a conscious effort to duplica= te > that the next time you're playing. Ted's response is particularly poignan= t > and rings true in many ways with . . . >=20 > ~peace~ >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gmail [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 2:28 AM > To: LD > Subject: Liking/Disliking your own music >=20 > I tend to not like my music during a loop session but after going back and= > listening to the recording I end up liking it. How do I get myself to enjo= y > looping and make it more interesting? >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 00:27:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B255183461; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 00:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=RY3MrceQbNLrKyKv3yaN3spglLO6xYwg91nKEO2EvKw=; b=cqnbM8H+72U6fB1H36BgymEngSacaNQYi12eUpzIVspbAPBAN6IVqbxZIMsw+wjC8y zPW/2yLCtFEj9yP5yd71EFp2/ZD/rTj9kT8MVL17NNXetXlGD80oFinwA+NXcdJKM28X t0gL7nyFL2f8OrY1Uu8S1FmFJvhKqsEx6yAYo= Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music References: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <631B3B8F-B2CE-4178-AB64-B6F8E794A37E@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:27:38 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 00:27:43 +0000 (UTC) You pretty much just completely explained the way I've felt for the past wee= k. Its like emotions blind us from things sometimes. I've recently started m= editating & praying every night and morning. Its amazing what it's done and i= ts only been 3 days. Even when it's been a bad day, at night I can go to sle= ep with a smile after meditating because I took the time to reflect all the t= hings to be grateful for. I think its also a great way to build self-esteem e= specially for music.=20 Sent from my iPod On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, BC wrote: >> .......so now I record everything, and the next morning I >> listen to it again. That's when I have a clear idea of whether what I pla= yed >> the night before is good, or whether it's a "What on earth was I thinking= ?" >> moment. >>=20 >> In the creative process, there's nothing like walking away completely and= >> then coming back when it comes to gaining perspective. > I'm glad you mentioned this, Brian. >=20 > It reminded me that years ago in the band Tao Chemical, we had musicians (= including myself) who suffered > from a fascistic self critical element in their personalities. >=20 > We would be really emotional after a gig, especially if there were fuckups= (and we were rehearsing > 5 nights a week, religiously without cease so we were really, really tight= and really, really critical) and arguments > and fights would break out if we talked about things in the heat of the cr= itical moment. >=20 > It just kept happening and it was really, really unpleasant. . . rick walker >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:44:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 603AB183463; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=pD0ePY621Q+3xela/K+QhyU5Z0AHbbdlOHDPzh/WnXU=; b=Pl2P4g/lNPfJWxhks0X9dVuXWOowdp7adw0t2LHE2cApxPbzJXWwL1aZ/IFZMYig7H lZPLg/jjSmcbnsv4aL9/JxVIwZgxxaU3ebnFP154dp+lDkGHXktrMnKAj3dN/Gf8Te5K /K5ooLb7ha1V0cL7NpNdVJlsBfJGnfbMvhOGM= Subject: Re: Synced Looping device for Ableton Live References: <473A9A5B-51B1-4540-A5F3-B5694E6E43D3@ander.fm> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:43:56 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC) True Dat.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Ander wrote: > I own it, but i cannot use it since it would be too heavy on my CPU. I > need to use multiple instances of this and M4L is extremely CPU-hungry > even if there is hardly any objects in the plugins. >=20 > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM, todd reynolds wrote: >> This sounds like a pretty easy Max4Live implementation. Do you own Max4Li= ve? >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:56 AM, ALEXander wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, I have been searching for a simple solution to this problem for a >>> while now, to no avail. Maybe you folks have an idea? >>>=20 >>> I play a live set with Ableton Live, using Midi Loops. For mixing and >>> introducing new sounds, I am looking for a looping device (VST/AU audio >>> effect) that does the following: >>>=20 >>> - Continously record the incoming audio signal and store it in a buffer >>> that is at least 4 bars long >>> - provide three buttons which, when activated, loop a) 4 bars b) the las= t >>> 2 bars c) only the last bar >>> - This should be synced with the tempo and the bars: when I press button= >>> a), looping should only start at the beginning of the next 4 bar sequenc= e. >>>=20 >>> It is a bit similar to the Ableton Beat Repeat functionality. But there >>> the maximum length is 1 bar and it does not sync to the tempo but just >>> starts looping right away. >>>=20 >>> Thanks! >>> Ander >>> http://ander.fm >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> =E2=80=A2 The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com >>=20 >> =E2=80=A2 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wh= erever >> music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! >>=20 >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> http://toddreynolds.com >> http://twitter.com/digifiddler >> http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic >> http://blog.toddreynolds.com >> http://facebook.com/toddreynolds >> http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:45:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59926183466; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 01:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0A46AF.2070308@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:45:19 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #770 for January 5, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3C4NzD.A.Ru.zakCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 01:45:23 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120105.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #770 January 5, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8144 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Scientists in the Trees" on Internal Combustion Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#jan PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) ['ramp] puppets steel and steam (doombient) Brian Parnham See None, Hear None, See None, Hear None, Speak Speak None None (Floating Point) Brian Parnham Head in the Sand See None, Hear None, Speak None (Floating Point) Krusseldorf Soe Doe From Soil to Space (AlephZero) Darshan Ambient Dream in Blue Dream in Blue (Lotuspike) Sghor Layered Synths: Reversed and Uneasy Variations Happy Home at in Minor Scale (Attenuation Summer Circuit) Modulator ESP Aurora * Aurora (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== cyberCHUMP Signals Scientists in Trees (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Pressure Tactic Scientists in Trees (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Helium Danc Scientists in Trees (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Scientists in the Scientists in Trees (Internal Trees Combustion) cyberCHUMP Sarin Scientists in Trees (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP River of Doubt Scientists in Trees (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Presidents from Scientists in Trees (Internal Another Planet Combustion) cyberCHUMP Vulcan's Forge Scientists in Trees (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Glimmer Scientists in Trees (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP The Charmer Scientists in Trees (Internal Combustion) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Secrets To Tell You" on Internal Combustion Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 05:31:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D966183474; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 05:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> <631B3B8F-B2CE-4178-AB64-B6F8E794A37E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <631B3B8F-B2CE-4178-AB64-B6F8E794A37E@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:31:27 -0600 Message-ID: <007801ccce8f$f09b3350$d1d199f0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQD45FswPQeABHclE4eIAnWXf2HgEAIWlrO6AU/zwFaXkB++cA== X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 05:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Ahh, gratefulness. Great point!!! Keep it up, and keep being... ~peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com -----Original Message----- From: Gmail [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 6:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music You pretty much just completely explained the way I've felt for the past week. Its like emotions blind us from things sometimes. I've recently started meditating & praying every night and morning. Its amazing what it's done and its only been 3 days. Even when it's been a bad day, at night I can go to sleep with a smile after meditating because I took the time to reflect all the things to be grateful for. I think its also a great way to build self-esteem especially for music. Sent from my iPod On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, BC wrote: >> .......so now I record everything, and the next morning I listen to >> it again. That's when I have a clear idea of whether what I played >> the night before is good, or whether it's a "What on earth was I thinking?" >> moment. >> >> In the creative process, there's nothing like walking away completely >> and then coming back when it comes to gaining perspective. > I'm glad you mentioned this, Brian. > > It reminded me that years ago in the band Tao Chemical, we had > musicians (including myself) who suffered from a fascistic self critical element in their personalities. > > We would be really emotional after a gig, especially if there were > fuckups (and we were rehearsing > 5 nights a week, religiously without cease so we were really, really > tight and really, really critical) and arguments and fights would break out if we talked about things in the heat of the critical moment. > > It just kept happening and it was really, really unpleasant. . . rick walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 05:54:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C12BF183463; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 05:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=PlQ/1wRabOB35buwe/z+vWKsqtKclVGLasmC9uj2JjQ=; b=PXJtxT2mCeEDHa64S9tv0nysttVoF3s5omkwVjmliNg2oied/5IT0z0JLdKBasKjWd F4GtUpzAfmH1nthDVb6h/tB8+40Vnl4yBtJmFI8SNwJOeFMlOou+vFXUpvhYgt5Pf1WH knr8KSjOoMmh9wEC9uH5rjNEzyHoA79SbhurQ= Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music References: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> <631B3B8F-B2CE-4178-AB64-B6F8E794A37E@gmail.com> <007801ccce8f$f09b3350$d1d199f0$@michaelplishka.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <007801ccce8f$f09b3350$d1d199f0$@michaelplishka.com> Message-Id: <7C682551-E813-4D9F-AA68-7733F38B2E1D@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:54:13 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 05:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Just want to say thanks to all who have posted on this thread. Your advice h= as been put into practice and is already working for me! I just recorded a 2= 3 minute session and for once was actually really enjoying it. Creativity se= emed to just flow right out of my hands. I can safely say I think that was t= he funnest time I've ever had live looping. Sent from my iPod On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:31 PM, wrote: > Ahh, gratefulness. Great point!!! >=20 > Keep it up, and keep being... >=20 > ~peace~ >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gmail [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 6:28 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music >=20 > You pretty much just completely explained the way I've felt for the past > week. Its like emotions blind us from things sometimes. I've recently > started meditating & praying every night and morning. Its amazing what it'= s >=20 >=20 > On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >=20 >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, BC wrote: >>> .......so now I record everything, and the next morning I listen to=20 >>> it again. That's when I have a clear idea of whether what I played=20 >>> the night before is good, or whether it's a "What on earth was I > thinking?" >>> moment. >>>=20 >>> In the creative process, there's nothing like walking away completely=20= >>> and then coming back when it comes to gaining perspective. >> I'm glad you mentioned this, Brian. >>=20 >> It reminded me that years ago in the band Tao Chemical, we had =20 >> musicians (including myself) who suffered from a fascistic self critical > element in their personalities. >>=20 >> We would be really emotional after a gig, especially if there were=20 >> fuckups (and we were rehearsing >> 5 nights a week, religiously without cease so we were really, really=20 >> tight and really, really critical) and arguments and fights would break > out if we talked about things in the heat of the critical moment. >>=20 >> It just kept happening and it was really, really unpleasant. . . >=20 > rick walker >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 07:29:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC394183465; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Rick Walker'" , "'BC'" Cc: References: <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: RE: Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:29:09 +0100 Message-ID: <005f01cccea0$60c64ec0$2252ec40$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AczOVpDfaAOxuWDmRZGbWatxH+PA3AASbyBQ Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:29:15 +0000 (UTC) very well put Rick! -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 07:39:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5DC2183463; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <631B3B8F-B2CE-4178-AB64-B6F8E794A37E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <631B3B8F-B2CE-4178-AB64-B6F8E794A37E@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:39:56 +0100 Message-ID: <006601cccea1$e23da8d0$a6b8fa70$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AczOZX2IgZJ7lrqbQACAzRwDGum0BgAOzKVA Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:39:59 +0000 (UTC) during my last gig I felt terrible because it was in a very loud club and 80% of the people weren't listening. I played for 45 minutes nonstop with a fuck-you-all attitude (that I honestly didn't know I could have). Whatever plans I had for the gig evaporated after a minute, and I played whatever came up, changing styles often, sometimes with a slightly aggressive undertone, never happy with the results but hoping that eventually something useful would appear. Afterwards I was totally frustrated, so much that I thought I should stop doing this altogether. So much effort and total frustration, for what? I hardly couldn't sleep that night. After two days, I gave in and finally listened to my recording, finding that while it wasn't technically perfect, I actually quite liked its flow of ideas, so much that I put it on Bandcamp as a live album :) http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 09:38:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2F9B183465; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1326101889; bh=qnMLAlw90PUxARshOUd6KsOpzN3agVyEtRTZoTh3nxA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=zFe2J57yvM/QXbs/m1QHKfGXoNAVXTl1PuezEt21AnbbWFKJdRr+3wWHRjvalnTaC21oH76mAZi8YSMj38xWF2ZEojTeiEr0J6m8Sq6KpQLWrGr9dJqpQB+qkZnuqFd9lUbwfiPykh7L6Y+nC2WFAzKveDs7Dvzw1soMcd2x34g= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 742258.59507.bm@smtp138.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: k_5vQioVM1kO2h7sXPlcXklfUrkc3NekB1QWT3wh6GkhbAt nmFzpo7llHINeWVolb2Su_vqzlKN1x.phWSP9B.xTGcSjW.p0M8yFzVUyla. k_ZcZa4mxEre5HBW6G.TQowLgg6EQhSo63KU_tccrl2O5abJF1RKSltOKj3w 9c4nUmrpu3dAZGR_uL9yUE3KybZGj4umwhKpdSg9jA37tqILSYstuqEKdqdq qZZh2_YOlUNkrxaGmmu4iFe6R.5K2FANkvpnovmeVw8RjqA1cIbne6sZp6Vh RtAer_P4RgkY.62nc7T9HdsZWXcFQylbLotaUB8wiF2uOEwb5D3qgx_J4kwt DAjoq8rAWha0TVcTx69cBTIPkcUNe1DChXp5m4ylYOm6W0g2msw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:38:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Why...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20120109103809.2AE42620.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Nice answers to this thread. > Why do you 'loop'? What got you started on this path? I started to loop without knowing this term with a boss dd (6?, I think) that I borrowed from the guitarist in my band (I was playing bass at the time in a pop/rock band). Then I discovered loopers-delight, toyed with ambiloop then mobius and bought the mono digitech Jamman I still use. > Was it a mechanism for solo performance? to record a vamp? A bit of everything. I've always been interested in sound, more than "music" in fact. I own a lot of synth, FX, other instruments but (almost) never saved a patch. I'm just enjoying the "moment" then power off the machine and ... that's all, folks > > A compositional device, a new avenue of expression? (repetition as > compositional device?) A bit for composition but mainly for testing layering of textures, not in the AABAB sense. I tried several midi sequencers (MC-303, RM1x, softs...) but never manager to get a good live seamless loop, the midi note on the border beeing cut when the pattern starts again and I tend to use long notes or notes with long long release time (the fake reverb trick). The solution was to loop in the audio domain. > An 'artistic statement' in itself? as if to say "I DONT NEED NO STINKIN > BAND!" I like jamming with a band, I hate rehearsing and playing the same songs over and over. > A fallback for artistic roadblocks? (as in--an easy way out) ?? > > A way of exploring new rhythms? Yes and some textures too. > A textural apparatus? sound design? Yes, both. > A means of 'warping sound'? Yes and as a tool to adjust the signal level and/or create patches on the FX boxes behind the looper. > With me, it's been all of the above, and I've jumped among 7 or 8 devices > along the way. > > How about you? I don't have a very good musical backgroung, I can't read a staff, I took some piano lessons ( bored to play some "classical" pieces) , played the bass by hear (fun), took some guitar lessons (not enough time with the childs) but I'm more on the experimental side of music: contrapunt, overtones, clusters, freeze, glitch, serendipity, ... you name it. I like to read user manuals of things I don't own (synth, FX, ...) and imagine the sound it could make (now with youtube it's easier than before :-) but It's less fun). I like to learn in a lot of domain, to experiment but I'm more in the category "a lot of things on surface" than "deep on one thing" ;-) I'm almost 40 now, time for a crisis :-) and thinking about a new orientation or carreer. I'm thinking of using my musical interest and knowledge (looping as discussed earlier, generative music, ... ) in new directions in the field of personal development ( emotion and stress management ,sophrology, fullmindness, meditation, healing , ...). Has anyone used looping in these directions or conducted meditations sessions, improvisation groups, drum circles, ... with loopers (or other stuff)? I would be interested in any links, books or personnal experiences. Privately if OT. I will alway be thankfull to this community. It's a great resource and I have learned a lot reading it. Ben. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 09:44:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70975183464; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 716525763/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.185/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.185 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBANW1Ck9YbRq5/2dsb2JhbAAMN4UPqjEBAQEDASMVES8GCwsaAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBh3akOZEtgS+HSIIEgRYEmkeFOYdC X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,479,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="716525763" Message-ID: <4F0AB6EF.2000106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 09:44:15 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking OT References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2HVeRB.A.UcE.wbrCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Greetings from Istanbul > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen hi Per, check out Selim Sesler while you're there. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 10:15:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F83183463; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1326104141; bh=OAxMzcij5Ewgq02fMBbYFNjCiGl51otzHqTQ4a6tiNY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=fPNYzM+NvH3OfgYcao22PmybDdE7bTRwFtiSOu/P/SW1NWlhZoW6QQubw6Z5EXmGyrA6QSTEAnKx9RcDpLJt1eojYP7W6uMrau8akUPQaQQUyMlaxEqXvCFZAqJCxaRAd80rAFnY4nZJegGUAoD1fnnvWuNMGfYq/GQ9sm5Yh+s= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 615838.21831.bm@smtp133.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 1ZitSK8VM1k9Epjuga0ogEbQTNiMb8brB9asD9AKAwGiPWb BbUus7a9B8cs3eikzIV2LDHpOoZ7o8K5f_j.szFjmP7zkHJ8AFZ8rEqm3gA4 sHUs.Hpr3ILrjPejLusx6Ji6lKMRgUHI2WTusbXnQImG_5QraU9IroWJiwIQ AiXiQw5TmhMgCZwbzQJJI05A2cvSOm6LAzR_IoZf_qee8y2YSmzr2ohwtqi9 dv24JYkpahKcOl1Z2iVTY03KL9GenxdPYJS1nBMlkqmP5Q3U.hCoTnYmqZo4 cUC4XIWXsJI2ysR_Nx9cyh2tYw9RY4x4I.D._xytCr5OQ8G8_w1DeA.c7SdV Mr8HCFG4mUuVU6.PkGUXtSzQvw33xw.DGgsJ1v7vIYiIM3OSAbg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:15:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Which macbook for live audio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20120109111541.6CE60F20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:15:43 +0000 (UTC) I'm not mac addict so I don't know the current specs but in the Live manual I think they recommend a fast HD (7200 RPM iso 5400) over a fast CPU. Regarding memory I would go for 8. Ben -------------------------------------------------- marcus kirby wrote: (26/10/2011 17:14) > I know this has been asked, but I had trouble finding the threads dealing > with macbooks in particular. > > I am running ableton live, with some built-in basic effects. > > I would like to move towards using ableton's looper for my looping needs, so > I probably need something with 8gb ram. What about processor requirements? > > Will the newest macbook pros be overkill? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 11:09:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C66183464; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=sLQjENPO0LHMgMw8U+ygakHvEudwFjLQfIydklHmmY0=; b=PCT5CxMSoVkoWu4JtHw4hVpgRgQO+XUAhIANXt6YWvxVtK1ZoDAXkIOK53qD+AnGwX fPW3NUsTEE7ZCBVqkF7sAmupu8PB+YrqjGgCq9974DjhQOBaau3lic+AxUMuIQrtUh8e XlnByCL01SU4CjkEMJM306IOqM3IUpiuvJSmg= Subject: Re: Why...? References: <20120109103809.2AE42620.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <20120109103809.2AE42620.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 03:07:11 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:09:57 +0000 (UTC) I started looping due to my nagging urge to be able to perform my electronic= music live and not just hit the play button on my laptop. FL Studio isnt in= tentionally designed for live performance but thanks to Equalibrum on youtub= e, I came across Mobius. I had no idea what live looping was at the time and= didnt take it seriously. Not until a talent show at the church I go to. I p= rocrastinated on figuring out a way to perform a song. LOTS of stress and an= xiety built up. Then, late at night just before the audition day, I was just= messing around in Mobius as a vst in FL Studio. I recorded a loop and then r= eversed it and the reversed chord progression really caught my attention so I= saved it. Next day, I recorded that same chord progression and this time st= arted to add drums, bass, lead etc. Before I knew it, I had pretty much crea= ted a song for the talent show out of anxiety. The the audition was postpone= d so I was excited that I got an extra 2 weeks to practice. Fastforward to t= he day of the talent show, LOTS of stress and anxiety going through my head.= It was my very first performance and there was an audience of about 100+ co= ming to the talent show. I was worried that the it wouldnt sound well on the= huge speakers. I ended up calling the sound guy just hours before the show a= sking if he needed me to bring anything (as if he didnt know what he was doi= ng. . .) anyways to make a long story short, the performance went really wel= l considering it was my first ever and I was a complete novice to live loopi= ng. Now that I've discovered loopers-delight I've been hooked. =20 Sent from my iPod On Jan 9, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Ben wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Nice answers to this thread. >=20 >> Why do you 'loop'? What got you started on this path? >=20 > I started to loop without knowing this term with a boss dd (6?, I=20 > think) that I borrowed from the guitarist in my band (I was playing=20 > bass at the time in a pop/rock band). Then I discovered=20 > loopers-delight, toyed with ambiloop then mobius and bought the mono=20 > digitech Jamman I still use. >=20 >> Was it a mechanism for solo performance? to record a vamp? >=20 > A bit of everything. I've always been interested in sound, more than=20 > "music" in fact. I own a lot of synth, FX, other instruments but=20 > (almost) never saved a patch. I'm just enjoying the "moment" then=20 > power off the machine and ... that's all, folks >=20 >>=20 >> A compositional device, a new avenue of expression? (repetition as >> compositional device?) >=20 > A bit for composition but mainly for testing layering of textures, not > in the AABAB sense. > I tried several midi sequencers (MC-303, RM1x, softs...) but never=20 > manager to get a good live seamless loop, the midi note on the border=20 > beeing cut when the pattern starts again and I tend to use long notes=20 > or notes with long long release time (the fake reverb trick). The=20 > solution was to loop in the audio domain. >=20 >> An 'artistic statement' in itself? as if to say "I DONT NEED NO STINKIN >> BAND!" >=20 > I like jamming with a band, I hate rehearsing and playing the same=20 > songs over and over.=20 >=20 >> A fallback for artistic roadblocks? (as in--an easy way out) > ?? >>=20 >> A way of exploring new rhythms? >=20 > Yes and some textures too. >=20 >> A textural apparatus? sound design? >=20 > Yes, both. >=20 >> A means of 'warping sound'? >=20 > Yes and as a tool to adjust the signal level and/or create patches on=20 > the FX boxes behind the looper. >=20 >> With me, it's been all of the above, and I've jumped among 7 or 8 devices= >> along the way. >>=20 >> How about you? >=20 > I don't have a very good musical backgroung, I can't read a staff, I=20 > took some piano lessons ( bored to play some "classical" pieces) ,=20 > played the bass by hear (fun), took some guitar lessons (not enough=20 > time with the childs) but I'm more on the experimental side of music:=20 > contrapunt, overtones, clusters, freeze, glitch, serendipity, ... you=20 > name it. I like to read user manuals of things I don't own (synth, FX, > ...) and imagine the sound it could make (now with youtube it's easier > than before :-) but It's less fun). I like to learn in a lot of=20 > domain, to experiment but I'm more in the category "a lot of things on > surface" than "deep on one thing" ;-) >=20 > I'm almost 40 now, time for a crisis :-) and thinking about a new=20 > orientation or carreer. I'm thinking of using my musical interest and=20 > knowledge (looping as discussed earlier, generative music, ... ) in=20 > new directions in the field of personal development ( emotion and=20 > stress management ,sophrology, fullmindness, meditation, healing ,=20 > ...).=20 >=20 > Has anyone used looping in these directions or conducted meditations=20 > sessions, improvisation groups, drum circles, ... with loopers (or=20 > other stuff)? I would be interested in any links, books or personnal=20 > experiences. Privately if OT. >=20 > I will alway be thankfull to this community. It's a great resource and > I have learned a lot reading it. >=20 > Ben. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 15:10:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A29F9183463; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ByW05Y24/tmxg991zY38p9xdf2oUx3MwcoRKgbLW1+g=; b=EbopyJ7B5oof+f0oNXn5x0d5//bPBw+6PdyUrcVmEWagFv0NAMZM62s4knwhNALu1A NIz1r/arIR1y8ZrGZAtHWm+jh7oXhw4RoZvqrUcyURHs2OPv2IYRvQmrad9UCTfLklrY 0WV2m2Hg/2GqRjPbYtVCrlDagkS0741DAAyig= Subject: Re: Why...? References: <20120109103809.2AE42620.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <20120109103809.2AE42620.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Message-Id: <7D7BADAC-6C4C-4F19-B6BD-777B75FCB581@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:10:43 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <2Qr8XD.A.xLH.5NwCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:10:49 +0000 (UTC) I started looping due to my nagging urge to be able to perform my electronic= music live and not just hit the play button on my laptop. FL Studio isnt in= tentionally designed for live performance but thanks to Equalibrum on youtub= e, I came across Mobius. I had no idea what live looping was at the time and= didnt take it seriously. Not until a talent show at the church I go to. I p= rocrastinated on figuring out a way to perform a song. LOTS of stress and an= xiety built up. Then, late at night just before the audition day, I was just= messing around in Mobius as a vst in FL Studio. I recorded a loop and then r= eversed it and the reversed chord progression really caught my attention so I= saved it. Next day, I recorded that same chord progression and this time st= arted to add drums, bass, lead etc. Before I knew it, I had pretty much crea= ted a song for the talent show out of anxiety. The the audition was postpone= d so I was excited that I got an extra 2 weeks to practice. Fastforward to t= he day of the talent show, LOTS of stress and anxiety going through my head.= It was my very first performance and there was an audience of about 100+ co= ming to the talent show. I was worried that the it wouldnt sound well on the= huge speakers. I ended up calling the sound guy just hours before the show a= sking if he needed me to bring anything (as if he didnt know what he was doi= ng. . .) anyways to make a long story short, the performance went really wel= l considering it was my first ever and I was a complete novice to live loopi= ng. Now that I've discovered loopers-delight I've been hooked. Sent from my iPod On Jan 9, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Ben wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Nice answers to this thread. >=20 >> Why do you 'loop'? What got you started on this path? >=20 > I started to loop without knowing this term with a boss dd (6?, I=20 >=20 >> Was it a mechanism for solo performance? to record a vamp? >=20 > A bit of everything. I've always been interested in sound, more than=20 > "music" in fact. I own a lot of synth, FX, other instruments but=20 > (almost) never saved a patch. I'm just enjoying the "moment" then=20 > power off the machine and ... that's all, folks >=20 >>=20 >> A compositional device, a new avenue of expression? (repetition as >> compositional device?) >=20 > A bit for composition but mainly for testing layering of textures, not > in the AABAB sense. > I tried several midi sequencers (MC-303, RM1x, softs...) but never=20 > manager to get a good live seamless loop, the midi note on the border=20 > beeing cut when the pattern starts again and I tend to use long notes=20 > or notes with long long release time (the fake reverb trick). The=20 > solution was to loop in the audio domain. >=20 >> An 'artistic statement' in itself? as if to say "I DONT NEED NO STINKIN >> BAND!" >=20 > I like jamming with a band, I hate rehearsing and playing the same=20 > songs over and over.=20 >=20 >> A fallback for artistic roadblocks? (as in--an easy way out) > ?? >>=20 >> A way of exploring new rhythms? >=20 > Yes and some textures too. >=20 >> A textural apparatus? sound design? >=20 > Yes, both. >=20 >> A means of 'warping sound'? >=20 > Yes and as a tool to adjust the signal level and/or create patches on=20 > the FX boxes behind the looper. >=20 >> With me, it's been all of the above, and I've jumped among 7 or 8 devices= >> along the way. >>=20 >> How about you? >=20 > I don't have a very good musical backgroung, I can't read a staff, I=20 > took some piano lessons ( bored to play some "classical" pieces) ,=20 > played the bass by hear (fun), took some guitar lessons (not enough=20 > time with the childs) but I'm more on the experimental side of music:=20 > contrapunt, overtones, clusters, freeze, glitch, serendipity, ... you=20 > name it. I like to read user manuals of things I don't own (synth, FX, > ...) and imagine the sound it could make (now with youtube it's easier > than before :-) but It's less fun). I like to learn in a lot of=20 > domain, to experiment but I'm more in the category "a lot of things on > surface" than "deep on one thing" ;-) >=20 > I'm almost 40 now, time for a crisis :-) and thinking about a new=20 > orientation or carreer. I'm thinking of using my musical interest and=20 > knowledge (looping as discussed earlier, generative music, ... ) in=20 > new directions in the field of personal development ( emotion and=20 > stress management ,sophrology, fullmindness, meditation, healing ,=20 > ...).=20 >=20 > Has anyone used looping in these directions or conducted meditations=20 > sessions, improvisation groups, drum circles, ... with loopers (or=20 > other stuff)? I would be interested in any links, books or personnal=20 > experiences. Privately if OT. >=20 > I will alway be thankfull to this community. It's a great resource and > I have learned a lot reading it. >=20 > Ben. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 15:54:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAA3A183464; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 15:54:59 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=X+q5DCeO6fcmRp9qFz3FVT6uYQ5uEGQcC1vkXLz2lKk=; b=vzurCukjI6LMe96pO0Xi8+7fWhHaeZWC0eOkmS/gHQS9l4ExCteLFiU2Jseuzz4ZLSBGSGwCUhIWy8FHgGJrxWZKeDJRX8gS84jbiZODURo0k+ypAIG3CEg8QUwVuVO3; Message-ID: <20120109094756.116078xokozzg4z0@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 09:47:56 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1DDC3836-F73E-4F2A-8EC0-634692F11178@trufun.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: <23rNZ.A.gqH.T3wCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Ricky Graham : > > Take up golf. You'll like looping by comparison. > LOL! There is truth to this and I can think of some parallels between golfing and music-making. 1) Golf: Not every hole goes well but the good ones keep you coming back. Looping: Not every moment goes well but the great moments keep you coming back. 2) Golf: there are plateaus. One becomes stuck on a plateau if one makes no changes in one's approach. Looping: A single approach to looping can be developed and refined however the law of diminishing returns sets in. If things don't improve, then it may be time to change something. 3) Golf: Manufacturers advertise that the latest club, ball, etc... will improve your game. Looping: Manufacturers advertise that the latest gear will make you sound like (fill-in-the-blank-with-celebrity-performer). 4) Golf: the ball flies further with a relaxed swing. Looping: a loop that evolves over time in a relaxed manner can go further and gain drive and intensity over time -- a loop that starts at 100% energy can only go downhill from there. 5) Golf: Is good exercise. Looping: not so much. :( 6) Golf: It is usually possible to shoot from the rough. Looping: Though the first iteration of a loop may not go as planned you may be able to develop it into something great. (i.e., play the hand that you've been dealt) 7) Golf: The source of frustration is ego. The ego generates anger when I don't par every hole. The ego fully expects the game to go as well for me as it goes for a pro (who practices for hours every day and likely has natural golfing ability). Looping: The ego tells me that I must prove to everyone within earshot that I am a hot-shit musician OR ELSE! If I fall short, the ego tells me that I've FAILED! 8) Golf: A 150 yard shot that lands in the fairway is better than a 250 yard shot that lands in the woods. Looping: A thoughtful, communicative performance is better than a perfunctory display of physical prowess (i.e. "dazzling technique"). I could likely go on with comparisons. However, I believe that we have conflicting voices that speak to us: the ego and the "inner voice". The ego is the taskmaster that expects one to project an inflated self-image. The inner voice is the voice that says, "You are ok just as you are." The ego tells me that I've "already arrived", thus closing off opportunities to learn, grow, and experiment. The inner voice tells me that I am a growing human being -- a work in progress. The inner voice enables me to have a "beginner's mind". We all have egos and we all have an inner voice. To distinguish them is useful. This is a great thread and I've enjoyed reading all the comments. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 17:06:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 210DE183465; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 298847.55971.bm@omp1023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326128761; bh=CzojbZgF1Jg0RWxeeFaeSvaC37wrRoBdiVz1Z2HlDzg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Lbos4Jk6qNPSoBz0iFyMU29yOCN70XUhQxqX0vLC/hANHtakWkM9P9xEc8SCDqTlzdpPTBmwolsP5QuQiTulNmPpFAQc5KZt9sH1vdBafWQqBlE5naorB3auEZMw8jMMPMRphZfHuU9UemCjSNEFTpJM2+tBJv4n8JlTg0Zk6JM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QperCMKjLMJHwClWgUaHv/ThIBugMMRhBi1qiA7c/YuhwfulQr9/vENFIvJAsK3Ff2ArqPZEH8jZbN45f1TR+r7BW/YDPeMRmsJ9wrttyYzO8Y4uiW0BflDX+wv+3uw+93ob37mJ9cOm2MIL8I5xhGqFX1hy8B3TlRCezi7Tiz4=; X-YMail-OSG: WiQVIGAVM1mwgw_N5xna7Lx4uItX7J9yDk9pkG85Bq3veKM XWBtIW_PuEIqxAGlkkBAKzdsL1rWcVqC.lHDl.giq8kh7pnZYqlqgaL8pk1S ifbjj5sKi3t.k1fmJXgZ1WHfCvp5ubr0eCuybyqsUs.Veb4MuVvNLjvRrYjQ DjKnVQ5QrRTOvLh6ynxyOwIdtsfkGRO8.EtIA86wpMTgzdzPi4XTraj67UyK UbVoZns4PdH2f2peMKol7APeb5UZJrOyIjW0jqvdMWq1i9H3cm5LUBYreuxA 6U0.pZjqF5.GcPGPNgFFFin_MKVk2q8X0oOBfKdzahb8QNMHcpsPxRq4SYU3 2XJlwAo5pVbBahTTOmG.ZmGlvtXxz0uW10g.fXu7Z3QeBFWId_WJ0oj4fcN2 Avs0EoXEhiCy3K9YtgyLWCqOThQavQmCwD.qUhEbIHvYZpSowH.prUawq1So zbowHdcoH4wHKb2kbSRkN6i6K X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <4F0A1B70.3080309@cruzio.com> <631B3B8F-B2CE-4178-AB64-B6F8E794A37E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1326128761.77373.YahooMailNeo@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:06:01 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <631B3B8F-B2CE-4178-AB64-B6F8E794A37E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-495408613-952895654-1326128761=:77373" Resent-Message-ID: <9_yV0B.A.4d.65xCPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:06:02 +0000 (UTC) ---495408613-952895654-1326128761=:77373 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I always finish a piece of music, think it's great for a couple weeks. Then= , it starts to sound not so good. Then, just plain bad. I put it away. 6 mo= nths or a year later, I drag it out and it sounds pretty good again, and s= tays that way, (other than the obvious bombs anyway). Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gmail =0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 4:27 PM=0ASubject: Re: Liking/Di= sliking your own music=0A=0AYou pretty much just completely explained the w= ay I've felt for the past week. Its like emotions blind us from things some= times. I've recently started meditating & praying every night and morning. = Its amazing what it's done and its only been 3 days. Even when it's been a = bad day, at night I can go to sleep with a smile after meditating because I= took the time to reflect all the things to be grateful for. I think its al= so a great way to build self-esteem especially for music. =0A=0ASent from m= y iPod=0A=0AOn Jan 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Rick Walker w= rote:=0A=0A> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, BC wrote:=0A>>=A0 .......so now I record = everything, and the next morning I=0A>> listen to it again. That's when I h= ave a clear idea of whether what I played=0A>> the night before is good, or= whether it's a "What on earth was I thinking?"=0A>> moment.=0A>> =0A>> In = the creative process, there's nothing like walking away completely and=0A>>= then coming back when it comes to gaining perspective.=0A> I'm glad you me= ntioned this, Brian.=0A> =0A> It reminded me that years ago in the band Tao= Chemical, we had=A0 musicians (including myself) who suffered=0A> from a f= ascistic self critical element in their personalities.=0A> =0A> We would be= really emotional after a gig, especially if there were fuckups (and we wer= e rehearsing=0A> 5 nights a week, religiously without cease so we were real= ly, really tight and really, really critical) and arguments=0A> and fights = would break out if we talked about things in the heat of the critical momen= t.=0A> =0A> It just kept happening and it was really, really unpleasant. . = .=0A=0Arick walker=0A> =0A> ---495408613-952895654-1326128761=:77373 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I always finish a piece of music, think it's great for a couple weeks. = Then, it starts to sound not so good. Then, just plain bad. I put it away. = 6 months or a year later, I drag  it out and it sounds pretty goo= d again, and stays that way, (other than the obvious bombs anyway).=0D
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From: Gmail <k3= zz21@gmail.com>
To:= "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 4:27 PM
looppool@cruzio.com> wrote= :

> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, BC wrote:
>>  .......so no= w I record everything, and the next morning I
>> listen to it agai= n. That's when I have a clear idea of whether what I played
>> the= night before is good, or whether it's a "What on earth was I thinking?"
>> moment.
>>
>> In the creative pr= ocess, there's nothing like walking away completely and
>> then co= ming back when it comes to gaining perspective.
> I'm glad you mentio= ned this, Brian.
>
> It reminded me that years ago in the band= Tao Chemical, we had  musicians (including myself) who suffered
&g= t; from a fascistic self critical element in their personalities.
> <= BR>> We would be really emotional after a gig, especially if there were = fuckups (and we were rehearsing
> 5 nights a week, religiously withou= t cease so we were really, really tight and really, really critical) and ar= guments
> and fights would break out if we talked about things in the= heat of the critical moment.
>
> It just kept happening and i= t was really, really unpleasant. . .

rick walker
>
>


---495408613-952895654-1326128761=:77373-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 17:09:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18077183475; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <006601cccea1$e23da8d0$a6b8fa70$@de> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:09:36 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <631B3B8F-B2CE-4178-AB64-B6F8E794A37E@gmail.com> <006601cccea1$e23da8d0$a6b8fa70$@de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Great story! Excellent result. On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > during my last gig I felt terrible because it was in a very loud club = and > 80% of the people weren't listening. I played for 45 minutes nonstop = with a > fuck-you-all attitude (that I honestly didn't know I could have). = Whatever > plans I had for the gig evaporated after a minute, and I played = whatever > came up, changing styles often, sometimes with a slightly aggressive > undertone, never happy with the results but hoping that eventually = something > useful would appear. Afterwards I was totally frustrated, so much that = I > thought I should stop doing this altogether. So much effort and total > frustration, for what? I hardly couldn't sleep that night. > After two days, I gave in and finally listened to my recording, = finding that > while it wasn't technically perfect, I actually quite liked its flow = of > ideas, so much that I put it on Bandcamp as a live album :) > http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 17:13:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A44F183464; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 262892.91798.bm@omp1067.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326129207; bh=gVX/wA1+7S0AV5zJylxz3yX3WrVzuYjBuOfIu5WdJEo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A2/w0+uM01vZinZ8TNNR4mvqvMtRCMx6IWWXpl5js2QqH70YdBRg2JTOq+srOx0d+FKULMfwdCYnp2w5prqXCK5Wl8whKGva5wpMp8DGWZVcUNbUeIcHSNZzgLwkSX3JH7ln6V3GVqX1scu3XueDDTI6nx1cXEyTH8SAUc2PRHQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2HFmRt1VK3m/Q7JAJDiO/n8IYSCfvvRi3XpEsF1FudKRy02iAnnsRaZj7KHkal7Kd+O5pAK3R4DOq7uQ/1/q2kEukzvSgjWHB+0Qc71E7Atfrp8cUgRZjQNWl9gbWbuq1IOl09mx6d63xjJ5vy0kJpeH2IOK3L33h0tq+wkBY1A=; X-YMail-OSG: jfUwDTwVM1kh_4DyJI5q.gxBP3JQGiID4mlC0rgx6N8_wgo qTQfmNRwvPqdIwpTELDMQ3zwpNHItrNR3XQkGGXqw6yNAMduEfK92ULzUZO9 YL_.w_TkKD6fddwY2Q195MpexKvp8ArrjI__ql_0Hrabnc0YLKSj3OgW7rdO d6vJKGLoS.G1DpLDu4beZQaRjoIEC1QXqoPN4zqH1hKBZpQi.UNQDjBHt0Kv IHthmPcdc2jIPlzzDUZSl8qyTnS8vJEEhmWABwXh441wZKZCWP6DaksiQTMx 4eihnqku0lyVjBnJKeS5jlHT3Y.TXPI0h5aa4Y4MZs7F8uFkTxUC.tTFbP_p 6NcNasOv.AJjKfvs72rE1RZuHMSNfIfcUZ2_sDkTia_8B_eruwIZnp2TcZ9T EEqs6kCcZhCsLAGQNzcraOr.60gu81Q4AKAHeiei9MOq3E2sCpBxROrc05UC 2enDox2x0Nxor4AnHqBpQHi6Qm1kVug6D_vRT6_p7E9ydnGwUCnuA1BEatLc 6ANv9_b6putBtqwV7ehIk43ASPTDm.z2iN3O.idN4PBeA6T_Rq58- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1326129207.195.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:13:27 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1662753009-925658374-1326129207=:195" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:13:29 +0000 (UTC) --1662753009-925658374-1326129207=:195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This one may be way out there but,,, Joe Meek always forced his musicians/s= ingers to smile while recording. Even without a window to the studio, he co= uld tell when someone was not smiling during a take. I've had to chide a fe= w frontmen during nights when they were giving other players bad looks. It = always improved the performance almost instantly. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Phil Clevenger =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Sund= ay, January 8, 2012 2:33 PM=0ASubject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music= =0A=0A=0AThis is a great thread. =0A=0AIt was exactly that hyper-critical v= oice that drove me away from performance almost 20 years ago, and with whic= h I am wrestling anew these days. As with so many here, I too found that wh= atever I was so painfully unhappy with in the moment was often quite enjoya= ble after the fact, with some distance, listening to a recording or video. = But that pain in the moment was excruciating and I was not able to defeat i= t then.=0A=0AAt a recent looping event, one performer delivered something s= o transcendent and intimate, I had to ask: how on earth were you able to al= low yourself to go so deep, spontaneously, in this artificial, fraught, per= formance context?=0A=0AThe performer looked me straight in the eye, and wit= hout waiting a beat, said "Lorazepam." =A0:)=0A=0AFricking genius. I am not= even kidding. Never occurred to me before :) And I am not advocating Hendr= ix hallucinogens or dopey weeds, or other "mind-expanding" or "performance = enhancing" shenanigans, just thinking that a tiny bit of therapeutic pharma= cology to take the edge off a debilitating inner critic might well be very = useful. =A0For me anyway.=0A=0APhil :)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AOn Jan 8, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Larry Salzman wrote:=0A=0AHello everyone = I am new to the group. Below is an example of my looping. Its camera audio = only.=A0 =0A>Larry=0A>=0A>=0A>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgkCuCwLLNxU --1662753009-925658374-1326129207=:195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This one may be way out there but,,, Joe Meek always forced his musicians/s= ingers to smile while recording. Even without a window to the studio, he co= uld tell when someone was not smiling during a take. I've had to chide = a few frontmen during nights when they were giving other players bad looks.= It always improved the performance almost instantly.=0D
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 --f46d040168b9028ec304b6638507-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 11:10:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2AB5183463; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:10:50 +0000 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? Message-ID: <641B88342AA8A352594DE2BA@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:016HUjUFjYW4LmqGm5KV3ZiL4no5KzFliilsIppIu4HlujhLPh65Q=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Great taste! Sigur Ros, Boards of Canada, Mum, Low, Efterklang - some of my favourites=20 there. Sigur Ros especially. They remind me time after time of just how=20 amazing music can be. Their singer, Jonsi, has a solo album under his own=20 name as well as a side project called Riceboy Sleeps. The latter is a=20 really beautiful ambient album, the former is a kind of explosive, twee,=20 almost kitsch pop version of Sigur Ros, which sounds awful but is actually=20 quite brilliant. Others in a similar vein: Godspeed You! Black Emperor, My Bloody Valentine, = the Verve's first album A Storm in Heaven. On a more rock 'n' roll theme I've been listening to a lot of Television=20 lately. Marquee Moon and Adventure, two fantastic albums with some really=20 incredible guitar work from both Richard Lloyd and Tom Verlaine. Of the=20 latter Patti Smith supposedly once said that "Tom plays guitar like a=20 thousand bluebirds screaming." I desperately want to be able to play=20 guitar like that man! Check out the solo on the song Fire from Adventure=20 from 3:30 onwards. Amazing. Also, as an almost on topic aside, Alan Sparhawk from Low uses a Zvex Lofi=20 Loop Junky. (I know that's just about the most primitive looper going but=20 it's also one of the most fun!) Not unrelatedly, he also has the most=20 fantastic live electric guitar tone I've ever heard. For a more 'world music' kind of thing, my guitar teacher's band Zun Zun=20 Egui are pretty good - and madcap verging on chaotic! Cheers, Philip. > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, marcus kirby wrote: > > I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little > bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on > a lot of stuff. > > Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general? > > Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive. > > Bands/albums would be cool. > > some favorites of mine: > > Classical: > > Ralph Vaughn Williams =C2=A0 =C2=A0"The Lark Ascending" =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = "Third Symphony" > > Maurice Ravel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 most of his orchestral works > > Claude Debussy =C2=A0 piano works and orchestral works =C2=A0 "La Mer" > > Aaron Copland =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Third Symphony" > > > Singer Songwriters: > Jose Gonzalez, =C2=A0 Elliott Smith, =C2=A0Sufjan Stevens, =C2=A0Brian = Blade ("Mama > Rosa") > damn near everything but the last two or three records by Joni Mitchell > > Newer Jazz: > Ambrose Akinmusrie, =C2=A0Cuong Vu, Brian Blade, =C2=A0Bill Frissell, > > Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: > Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen, Jaga > Jazzist > > Electronic Music: > Trente Moller, Boards of Canada, Bola, Aphex Twin > > Ambient Pop: > Sigur Ross, =C2=A0Mum, Low, Efterklang (their 1st especially), = =C2=A0David Sylvain > > Things currently on my playlist: > > Baths, =C2=A0the Weekend, =C2=A0How To Dress Well (I"m on an ambient soul = with > beautiful harmonies kick right now and > there's a whole movement of young artists who are currently mining this > approach) > > Tycho "Dive" =C2=A0 =C2=A0beautiful downtempo record > > Sufjan Stevens ('7 Swans' and 'Illionoise'), Richard Youngs (experimental > singer-songwriter), > Brian Blades (the exquisite and > aforementioned 'Mama Rosa' , =C2=A0a singer songrwriter project that he = never > intended for release > until his good friends bugged him to release it.) > > and a long DVD of mp3s of very rough takes of everything I've written > instrumentally on > four string instruments this past year or so listened to over and over in > an attempt > to inspire lyric writing. > > There's a lot more..........world music would take a long time to write > out, but > I'm off to play pool now............yeah!!! =C2=A0I made two difficult = Masse > shots last night. > it's coming....it's coming! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 11:32:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12200183464; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X9Wnk9dEo7mvTLUz1Rsi4yJGjf3KkLE+V6LrP6tiXBY=; b=vCXW6B0IginHhCRcGeESyH9Wy1fpWBAuoh+b3WWIO4ySl2AvD0/ZO0nxYjGbjdgVWj rpZWyfW7cjM9tkUVjZO8vs0JSwRr2RpP24ccLEzCbHGYt+kVBJyno9l3Cnta4Ahp1nh0 HkH4ttUWNMswwXMbpf430gc8b8tOfCT/F6d5Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <641B88342AA8A352594DE2BA@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> References: <641B88342AA8A352594DE2BA@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:32:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Many good suggestions all through this thread. I'd like to add that Tom Verlain's modern solo albums are nice too. And shame on you all that no one mentioned Mogwai!!!! :-) If talking "guitar based sound painting" I'd like to throw in Explosions In The Sky as well. Mexican Cabezas De Cera is also cool IMHO; don't know about their album releases but on YouTube they have many nice clips posted where you can drool over their music and exotic instruments. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Philip Conway wrote: > Great taste! > > Sigur Ros, Boards of Canada, Mum, Low, Efterklang - some of my favourites > there. =C2=A0Sigur Ros especially. =C2=A0They remind me time after time o= f just how > amazing music can be. =C2=A0Their singer, Jonsi, has a solo album under h= is own > name as well as a side project called Riceboy Sleeps. =C2=A0The latter is= a > really beautiful ambient album, the former is a kind of explosive, twee, > almost kitsch pop version of Sigur Ros, which sounds awful but is actuall= y > quite brilliant. > > Others in a similar vein: Godspeed You! Black Emperor, My Bloody Valentin= e, > the Verve's first album A Storm in Heaven. > > On a more rock 'n' roll theme I've been listening to a lot of Television > lately. =C2=A0Marquee Moon and Adventure, two fantastic albums with some = really > incredible guitar work from both Richard Lloyd and Tom Verlaine. =C2=A0Of= the > latter Patti Smith supposedly once said that "Tom plays guitar like a > thousand bluebirds screaming." =C2=A0I desperately want to be able to pla= y guitar > like that man! =C2=A0Check out the solo on the song Fire from Adventure f= rom 3:30 > onwards. =C2=A0Amazing. > > Also, as an almost on topic aside, Alan Sparhawk from Low uses a Zvex Lof= i > Loop Junky. =C2=A0(I know that's just about the most primitive looper goi= ng but > it's also one of the most fun!) =C2=A0Not unrelatedly, he also has the mo= st > fantastic live electric guitar tone I've ever heard. > > For a more 'world music' kind of thing, my guitar teacher's band Zun Zun > Egui are pretty good - and madcap verging on chaotic! > > > Cheers, > > > Philip. > > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, marcus kirby wrote: >> >> I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little >> bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on >> a lot of stuff. >> >> Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general? >> >> Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive. >> >> Bands/albums would be cool. >> >> some favorites of mine: >> >> Classical: >> >> Ralph Vaughn Williams =C2=A0 =C2=A0"The Lark Ascending" =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "T= hird Symphony" >> >> Maurice Ravel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 most of his orchestral works >> >> Claude Debussy =C2=A0 piano works and orchestral works =C2=A0 "La Mer" >> >> Aaron Copland =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Third Symphony" >> >> >> Singer Songwriters: >> Jose Gonzalez, =C2=A0 Elliott Smith, =C2=A0Sufjan Stevens, =C2=A0Brian B= lade ("Mama >> Rosa") >> damn near everything but the last two or three records by Joni Mitchell >> >> Newer Jazz: >> Ambrose Akinmusrie, =C2=A0Cuong Vu, Brian Blade, =C2=A0Bill Frissell, >> >> Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: >> Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen, Jaga >> Jazzist >> >> Electronic Music: >> Trente Moller, Boards of Canada, Bola, Aphex Twin >> >> Ambient Pop: >> Sigur Ross, =C2=A0Mum, Low, Efterklang (their 1st especially), =C2=A0Dav= id Sylvain >> >> Things currently on my playlist: >> >> Baths, =C2=A0the Weekend, =C2=A0How To Dress Well (I"m on an ambient sou= l with >> beautiful harmonies kick right now and >> there's a whole movement of young artists who are currently mining this >> approach) >> >> Tycho "Dive" =C2=A0 =C2=A0beautiful downtempo record >> >> Sufjan Stevens ('7 Swans' and 'Illionoise'), Richard Youngs (experimenta= l >> singer-songwriter), >> Brian Blades (the exquisite and >> aforementioned 'Mama Rosa' , =C2=A0a singer songrwriter project that he = never >> intended for release >> until his good friends bugged him to release it.) >> >> and a long DVD of mp3s of very rough takes of everything I've written >> instrumentally on >> four string instruments this past year or so listened to over and over i= n >> an attempt >> to inspire lyric writing. >> >> There's a lot more..........world music would take a long time to write >> out, but >> I'm off to play pool now............yeah!!! =C2=A0I made two difficult M= asse >> shots last night. >> it's coming....it's coming! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 11:47:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10698183463; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:47:24 +0000 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? Message-ID: <515F2665353B07418E6793F8@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <641B88342AA8A352594DE2BA@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01d4uvhufu57h1vvXvuOzvFPS2uR7ppee4Ivi4uhfureq5EOlwASA=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:47:47 +0000 (UTC) True! I should have added Mogwai. They do the whole quiet-quiet-LOUD!!!=20 thing better than anyone. I saw them live last year and you could actually = feel the wall of sound thundering towards you as they suddenly, as one,=20 went from near silence to booming cacophony. One of the few gigs I've=20 witnessed where the music becomes a physical as well as an aural=20 experience! (They carry enough wattage to rattle your ribs and make your=20 trousers flap like flags!) --On 13 January 2012 12:32 +0100 Per Boysen wrote: > Many good suggestions all through this thread. I'd like to add that > Tom Verlain's modern solo albums are nice too. And shame on you all > that no one mentioned Mogwai!!!! :-) If talking "guitar based sound > painting" I'd like to throw in Explosions In The Sky as well. Mexican > Cabezas De Cera is also cool IMHO; don't know about their album > releases but on YouTube they have many nice clips posted where you can > drool over their music and exotic instruments. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Philip Conway > wrote: >> Great taste! >> >> Sigur Ros, Boards of Canada, Mum, Low, Efterklang - some of my = favourites >> there. =C2=A0Sigur Ros especially. =C2=A0They remind me time after time = of just >> how amazing music can be. =C2=A0Their singer, Jonsi, has a solo album = under >> his own name as well as a side project called Riceboy Sleeps. =C2=A0The >> latter is a really beautiful ambient album, the former is a kind of >> explosive, twee, almost kitsch pop version of Sigur Ros, which sounds >> awful but is actually quite brilliant. >> >> Others in a similar vein: Godspeed You! Black Emperor, My Bloody >> Valentine, the Verve's first album A Storm in Heaven. >> >> On a more rock 'n' roll theme I've been listening to a lot of Television >> lately. =C2=A0Marquee Moon and Adventure, two fantastic albums with some >> really incredible guitar work from both Richard Lloyd and Tom Verlaine. >> =C2=A0Of the latter Patti Smith supposedly once said that "Tom plays = guitar >> like a thousand bluebirds screaming." =C2=A0I desperately want to be = able to >> play guitar like that man! =C2=A0Check out the solo on the song Fire = from >> Adventure from 3:30 onwards. =C2=A0Amazing. >> >> Also, as an almost on topic aside, Alan Sparhawk from Low uses a Zvex >> Lofi Loop Junky. =C2=A0(I know that's just about the most primitive = looper >> going but it's also one of the most fun!) =C2=A0Not unrelatedly, he also = has >> the most fantastic live electric guitar tone I've ever heard. >> >> For a more 'world music' kind of thing, my guitar teacher's band Zun Zun >> Egui are pretty good - and madcap verging on chaotic! >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Philip. >> >> >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, marcus kirby wrote: >>> >>> I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little >>> bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on >>> a lot of stuff. >>> >>> Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general? >>> >>> Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive. >>> >>> Bands/albums would be cool. >>> >>> some favorites of mine: >>> >>> Classical: >>> >>> Ralph Vaughn Williams =C2=A0 =C2=A0"The Lark Ascending" =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = "Third Symphony" >>> >>> Maurice Ravel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 most of his orchestral works >>> >>> Claude Debussy =C2=A0 piano works and orchestral works =C2=A0 "La Mer" >>> >>> Aaron Copland =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Third Symphony" >>> >>> >>> Singer Songwriters: >>> Jose Gonzalez, =C2=A0 Elliott Smith, =C2=A0Sufjan Stevens, =C2=A0Brian = Blade ("Mama >>> Rosa") >>> damn near everything but the last two or three records by Joni Mitchell >>> >>> Newer Jazz: >>> Ambrose Akinmusrie, =C2=A0Cuong Vu, Brian Blade, =C2=A0Bill Frissell, >>> >>> Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: >>> Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen, = Jaga >>> Jazzist >>> >>> Electronic Music: >>> Trente Moller, Boards of Canada, Bola, Aphex Twin >>> >>> Ambient Pop: >>> Sigur Ross, =C2=A0Mum, Low, Efterklang (their 1st especially), = =C2=A0David >>> Sylvain >>> >>> Things currently on my playlist: >>> >>> Baths, =C2=A0the Weekend, =C2=A0How To Dress Well (I"m on an ambient = soul with >>> beautiful harmonies kick right now and >>> there's a whole movement of young artists who are currently mining this >>> approach) >>> >>> Tycho "Dive" =C2=A0 =C2=A0beautiful downtempo record >>> >>> Sufjan Stevens ('7 Swans' and 'Illionoise'), Richard Youngs >>> (experimental singer-songwriter), >>> Brian Blades (the exquisite and >>> aforementioned 'Mama Rosa' , =C2=A0a singer songrwriter project that he >>> never intended for release >>> until his good friends bugged him to release it.) >>> >>> and a long DVD of mp3s of very rough takes of everything I've written >>> instrumentally on >>> four string instruments this past year or so listened to over and over >>> in an attempt >>> to inspire lyric writing. >>> >>> There's a lot more..........world music would take a long time to write >>> out, but >>> I'm off to play pool now............yeah!!! =C2=A0I made two difficult = Masse >>> shots last night. >>> it's coming....it's coming! >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 11:50:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF491183464; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_524db48d-e46b-4627-a4fa-b8683b5369be_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:49:57 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2012 11:49:58.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[799ED7E0:01CCD1E9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:49:59 +0000 (UTC) --_524db48d-e46b-4627-a4fa-b8683b5369be_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Conventional drum machine arrangements put the bass drum in the lower left corner=2C high hats in the lower right=2C cymbals on the upper row and toms/claps=2C etc in the middle. This makes it easy to remember which sounds are rare=2C but is not necessarily the most efficient arrangement playing them live.>> I play live drum machines using Korg ESX =2C ER Flame Six in a Row and Hand= sonics=2C each have VERY diferant layouts. --------- the korgs are all in a single row=2C in which case I have the following per= sonal splits Bass Drum 1 - Snare1 - BD2 - Snare2 - Crash - Clsd HH - Open HH - Perc 1 - = Perc 2 this lets me use the right hand for the full kit...middle finger to play th= e hats open and closed=2C I can extend my pinky to grab percussion=2C and b= ass and snare are always under the thumb and index finger...if i want the s= econd kit group i just contracct the hand slightly and if i need a crash i = use the cymbal finger moving it left off the hats. ----its a nice layout fo= r me and leaves me my left hand for tweaking ( which does mean i play cross= armed but thats just how i developed=2C i cant articular with my left hand= as well. -------- the Flame is mega intuitive and has 3 groups of 4 buttons each set in a sq= uare configuration=20 i have a similar overall layout but use two hands on this. middle square is 2 sets of open and closed hats closed on the left open o= n the right left hand square is two bass drums on the upper and lower left and two snar= es right right hand square is three percussive elements laid out in a high sound rig= ht low on left format but with my trusty crash top right for easy access. ------- My Handsonic is very custom to how I play=2C it is very diferant to the "Sm= ith" way of setting up (look on youtube for his) althogh I took large insti= ration from his ideas. I have my bass drum on the center note=2C I then have closed and open hats= on the two big front pads ( this way I can hit them with the side of my ha= nd and the BD at the same time =2C I have the snare on the main upper righ= t pad (3 oclock) so my right hand can alternate between hi hat hits on the= two bottom pads and the snare top right... then around the 10 "rim" elements I have an unusual variation... I have my = crash top middle for very easy access then moving from there around the rig= ht side top=2C I alternate between a" high " element such as a clap=2C then= a "tick" element such as a shaker=2C tambourine or hi hat=2C then another = "high" then another "tick " .... wilre moreing round the left hand top I = go "low" element such as bass or floor tom=2C then "tick" and so on.... in playing this means I have my main "KIT" in the center=2C and as I improv= ise I can hit to the left with the left hand anytime I want to add a low en= d variation and slap out with my right hand to the right if I want some thi= ng to replace the snare.... and at the same time i can spread my fingers wi= de for more layers or variations or I can keep a double finger width to hi= t a "main sound " such as a clap..whilst also maintainng the 16ths on a "ti= ck " element so the hi hat rhythm is uniterupted. Thats my setup anyway.=20 = --_524db48d-e46b-4627-a4fa-b8683b5369be_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


>=3B>=3BConventional drum machine arrangements put the bass dru= m in the
lower left corner=2C high hats in the lower right=2C cymbals on the upper row and toms/claps=2C etc in the middle. This makes it easy to remember
which sounds are rare=2C but is not necessarily the most efficient
arrangement playing them live.>=3B>=3B

I play live drum machines= using Korg ESX =2C ER Flame Six in a Row and Handsonics=2C

each hav= e VERY diferant layouts.
---------

the korgs are all in a single = row=2C in which case I have the following personal splits

Bass Drum = 1 - Snare1 - BD2 - Snare2 - Crash - Clsd HH - Open HH - Perc 1 - Perc 2
=

this lets me use the right hand for the full kit...middle finger to= play the hats open and closed=2C I can extend my pinky to grab percussion= =2C and bass and snare are always under the thumb and index finger...if i w= ant the second kit group i just contracct the hand slightly and if i need a= crash i use the cymbal finger moving it left off the hats. ----its a nice = layout for me and leaves me my left hand for tweaking ( which does mean i p= lay cross armed but thats just how i developed=2C i cant articular with my = left hand as well.

--------

the Flame is mega intuitive and h= as 3 groups of 4 buttons =3B each set in a square configuration
i h= ave a similar overall layout but use two hands on this.

middle squar= e is =3B 2 sets of open and closed hats =3B closed on the left open= on the right

left hand square is two bass drums on the upper and lo= wer left and two snares right

right hand square is three percussive = elements laid out in a high sound right low on left format but with my trus= ty crash top right for easy access.

-------

My Handsonic is very custom to how I play=2C it is very diferant to the= "Smith" way of setting up (look on youtube for his) althogh I took large i= nstiration from his ideas.

I have my bass drum on the center note=2C=  =3B I then have closed and open hats on the two big front pads ( this = way I can hit them with the side of my hand and the =3B BD at the same = time =2C I have the snare on the main upper right pad (3 oclock) =3B so= my right hand can alternate between hi hat hits on the two bottom pads and= the snare top right...

then around the 10 "rim" elements I have an = unusual variation... I have my crash top middle for very easy access then m= oving from there around the right side top=2C I alternate between a" high "= element such as a clap=2C then a "tick" element such as a shaker=2C tambou= rine or hi hat=2C then another "high" then another "tick " =3B .... wil= re moreing round the left hand =3B top I go "low" element such as bass = or floor tom=2C then "tick" and so on....

in playing this means I ha= ve my main "KIT" in the center=2C and as I improvise I can hit to the left = with the left hand anytime I want to add a low end variation and slap out w= ith my right hand to the right if I want some thing to replace the snare...= . and at the same time i can spread my fingers wide for more layers or vari= ations or I can =3B keep a double finger width to hit a "main sound " s= uch as a clap..whilst also maintainng the 16ths on a "tick " element so the= hi hat rhythm is uniterupted.



Thats my  =3B setup anywa= y.
= --_524db48d-e46b-4627-a4fa-b8683b5369be_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 12:32:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8D0183463; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WLs1LGjeJ1GMJfcv1KvZNwQer2qdRzMyRjeWq7ZyVDQ=; b=Fbyn+ta7WD06AFUdfYSt6KsowCEAlBPsVKPk/vLI5syPu7cR67QMeXhRXwn0o0Jo/l vT69MuUTT7AmhiB/QHZAA4DaWZU3IS2f7GN7ecm1UMfGVdF3amXWzdKh0mir+VW9mCo1 p6uxTM6tHKImWqXUIDxBFr816CkBzjus6JSnw= Message-ID: <4F10246C.3050800@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:32:44 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? References: <641B88342AA8A352594DE2BA@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <515F2665353B07418E6793F8@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <515F2665353B07418E6793F8@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Philip Conway schrieb: > True! I should have added Mogwai. They do the whole > quiet-quiet-LOUD!!! thing better than anyone. I saw them live last > year and you could actually feel the wall of sound May I add Anton Bruckner, Richard Wagner, Olivier Messiaen and Luigi Nono? While they don't use the same wattage, experiencing e.g. the 12-trumpets/8-horns section after a pianissimo passage in the orchestral pit in Bayreuth in Lohengrin is a full-body experience as well. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 14:22:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A31CC183463; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1326464529; bh=rAP9gdh943t1Jov3ip+fo4SbiH25UwR5LcdHX4+y9pE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=xWxAPHwoNOT38XFHqsSfUixP9ruQuJDVKmoa8oEFL3Tkgbhe+1XuEVkf+E1nwJc/HHYePjyJbTo63wenN3OYgVM8jk0Wb4J37XykBBaPzpdPjwPjpidq144W+IZQYeLCJ7f+0EWFQN1sHL3X+FUrRLNiH+nEcrkVIaJsca/GcCI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 971314.65508.bm@smtp140.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bllYszgVM1n66qLqErP5WR66_k1DQsMWA4PGzrBnU8TBwHD 9U_LkpTyeLktTKghMWxQQEd2UH13gua7e4u3zUU3kRPVlFWOLE1YGd12yWoC 1VqxsxGshPqlFxwDd6Na3kggs6SqkIn31sHk592JTZlDkNKRZI5r6uPIwLy5 vBg7NlmI2f1nOcaxGdT32ml2njv81BwsQ66NugsDlIMiv2MA2rYKaaEAeXo4 yWv3GHvmdxPR2qNvUBDt3wWJdRd3_6.VcTZPT7g_0pbVd8WNg3B5LS9nTu42 UNYOjwRweV6soedJ2eqvtRHYvfg4LWZDUTLNwbnnF1RWyJUv6hn7GS8laQJE 0CQA0spdinmk1Yz5nzUinzfLLyhXLFLKP9Rb9R1VUWpzqvkiWLzSSdKoDTf4 lIW2Bwx0LnmXhuVV9onprtC2OqX831KofT6Mv0WedAFYsgggnZ_huMR9ArdB P8fzBZN6JCHY6kaRfbgPhqR3VNDmjE.sr2S4MgmX49ISwoT_pjb1gT_e8tEh Yo7XOpOyjZOsJ1t005nrv.76ZN45vLdbUOYyrI90.AHYUHWCWPDUhOiL_4J0 HQg4sFmA4Bm9HNhRqkHIaLItSQlFm X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:22:09 +0100 Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <641B88342AA8A352594DE2BA@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Message-Id: <20120113152209.54771D48.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Mogwai !! Mogwai !! I'm with you Per. In fact I would add also=20 Tortoise Stereolab Labradford Do Make Say Think=20 This Will Destroy You Mono Sonic Youth All these bands are using their gear as sound sources for timbre and=20 textures.=20 For my taste you may add - almost - anything related to=20 "post-rock" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-rock)=20 "krautrock" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock),=20 "shoegazer" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoegazer), ... Ben -------------------------------------------------- Per Boysen wrote: (13/01/2012 12:32) > Many good suggestions all through this thread. I'd like to add that > Tom Verlain's modern solo albums are nice too. And shame on you all > that no one mentioned Mogwai!!!! :-) If talking "guitar based sound > painting" I'd like to throw in Explosions In The Sky as well. Mexican > Cabezas De Cera is also cool IMHO; don't know about their album > releases but on YouTube they have many nice clips posted where you can > drool over their music and exotic instruments. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Philip Conway > wrote: > > Great taste! > > > > Sigur Ros, Boards of Canada, Mum, Low, Efterklang - some of my favourit= es > > there. =A0Sigur Ros especially. =A0They remind me time after time of ju= st how > > amazing music can be. =A0Their singer, Jonsi, has a solo album under hi= s own > > name as well as a side project called Riceboy Sleeps. =A0The latter is = a > > really beautiful ambient album, the former is a kind of explosive, twee= , > > almost kitsch pop version of Sigur Ros, which sounds awful but is actua= lly > > quite brilliant. > > > > Others in a similar vein: Godspeed You! Black Emperor, My Bloody Valent= ine, > > the Verve's first album A Storm in Heaven. > > > > On a more rock 'n' roll theme I've been listening to a lot of Televisio= n > > lately. =A0Marquee Moon and Adventure, two fantastic albums with some r= eally > > incredible guitar work from both Richard Lloyd and Tom Verlaine. =A0Of = the > > latter Patti Smith supposedly once said that "Tom plays guitar like a > > thousand bluebirds screaming." =A0I desperately want to be able to play= guitar > > like that man! =A0Check out the solo on the song Fire from Adventure fr= om 3:30 > > onwards. =A0Amazing. > > > > Also, as an almost on topic aside, Alan Sparhawk from Low uses a Zvex L= ofi > > Loop Junky. =A0(I know that's just about the most primitive looper goin= g but > > it's also one of the most fun!) =A0Not unrelatedly, he also has the mos= t > > fantastic live electric guitar tone I've ever heard. > > > > For a more 'world music' kind of thing, my guitar teacher's band Zun Zu= n > > Egui are pretty good - and madcap verging on chaotic! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Philip. > > > > > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, marcus kirby wrote: > >> > >> I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little > >> bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on= > >> a lot of stuff. > >> > >> Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general= =3F > >> > >> Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive.= > >> > >> Bands/albums would be cool. > >> > >> some favorites of mine: > >> > >> Classical: > >> > >> Ralph Vaughn Williams =A0 =A0"The Lark Ascending" =A0 =A0 "Third Symph= ony" > >> > >> Maurice Ravel =A0 =A0 most of his orchestral works > >> > >> Claude Debussy =A0 piano works and orchestral works =A0 "La Mer" > >> > >> Aaron Copland =A0 =A0"Third Symphony" > >> > >> > >> Singer Songwriters: > >> Jose Gonzalez, =A0 Elliott Smith, =A0Sufjan Stevens, =A0Brian Blade ("= Mama > >> Rosa") > >> damn near everything but the last two or three records by Joni Mitchel= l > >> > >> Newer Jazz: > >> Ambrose Akinmusrie, =A0Cuong Vu, Brian Blade, =A0Bill Frissell, > >> > >> Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: > >> Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen, Ja= ga > >> Jazzist > >> > >> Electronic Music: > >> Trente Moller, Boards of Canada, Bola, Aphex Twin > >> > >> Ambient Pop: > >> Sigur Ross, =A0Mum, Low, Efterklang (their 1st especially), =A0David S= ylvain > >> > >> Things currently on my playlist: > >> > >> Baths, =A0the Weekend, =A0How To Dress Well (I"m on an ambient soul wi= th > >> beautiful harmonies kick right now and > >> there's a whole movement of young artists who are currently mining thi= s > >> approach) > >> > >> Tycho "Dive" =A0 =A0beautiful downtempo record > >> > >> Sufjan Stevens ('7 Swans' and 'Illionoise'), Richard Youngs (experimen= tal > >> singer-songwriter), > >> Brian Blades (the exquisite and > >> aforementioned 'Mama Rosa' , =A0a singer songrwriter project that he n= ever > >> intended for release > >> until his good friends bugged him to release it.) > >> > >> and a long DVD of mp3s of very rough takes of everything I've written > >> instrumentally on > >> four string instruments this past year or so listened to over and over= in > >> an attempt > >> to inspire lyric writing. > >> > >> There's a lot more..........world music would take a long time to writ= e > >> out, but > >> I'm off to play pool now............yeah!!! =A0I made two difficult Ma= sse > >> shots last night. > >> it's coming....it's coming! > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 14:42:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19E5F183461; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6v1o2zsStt0PJObE5EnbngMY2IeB8ZqKS1kmZuebKQc=; b=AQoU4Io3g8Zxwk6MS7Gli2A+GiK8lyAZJJ7s9DHghWGwOYYR9jYNq7mM3CIwqHTRMI jBIJosmdy6zwLkD1i5LEVSYAmczyOeJCvTsPC+EDSd+KdoN4ir5+c0pCpdGroJrqwaYv cdksAJnCRxJuNesT4NANVsu9XQqnlSJKFeqb8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F10246C.3050800@googlemail.com> References: <641B88342AA8A352594DE2BA@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <515F2665353B07418E6793F8@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <4F10246C.3050800@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:41:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53d55e9fddfec04b669ddfd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:41:59 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec53d55e9fddfec04b669ddfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I somehow came across nono and messiaen last night. I downloaded some stuff, but have not listened yet. Btw, I am familiar with most of the "post-rock" stuff listed. I was also told to check out, "Les Rallizes D=E9nud=E9s." A Japanese noise/proto-shoeg= aze band. HOLY SHIT. I'm deep in a proto-goth hole right now. Really, just looking for any bands that were waaaayyy ahead of their time, or helped lay the groundwork for new genres. I am definitely checking out everything that you guys recommend. This has been a huge music history lesson for me. On Jan 13, 2012 6:32 AM, "Rainer Straschill" wrote: > Philip Conway schrieb: > >> True! I should have added Mogwai. They do the whole quiet-quiet-LOUD!!= ! >> thing better than anyone. I saw them live last year and you could actua= lly >> feel the wall of sound >> > May I add Anton Bruckner, Richard Wagner, Olivier Messiaen and Luigi Nono= ? > While they don't use the same wattage, experiencing e.g. the > 12-trumpets/8-horns section after a pianissimo passage in the orchestral > pit in Bayreuth in Lohengrin is a full-body experience as well. > > Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --bcaec53d55e9fddfec04b669ddfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I somehow came across nono and messiaen last night. I downloaded some st= uff, but have not listened yet.

Btw, I am familiar with most of the "post-rock" stuff listed. = I was also told to check out, "Les Rallizes D=E9nud=E9s." A Japanese noise/= proto-shoegaze band. HOLY SHIT.=A0

I'm deep in a proto-goth hole right now.

Really, just looking for any bands that were waaaayyy ahead of = their time, or helped lay the groundwork for new genres.

I am definitely checking out everything that you guys recom= mend. This has been a huge music history lesson for me.

On Jan 13, 2012 6:32 AM, "Rainer Straschill= " <mo= insound@googlemail.com> wrote:
Philip Conway schrieb:
True! =A0I should have added Mogwai. =A0They do the whole quiet-quiet-LOUD!= !! thing better than anyone. =A0I saw them live last year and you could act= ually feel the wall of sound
May I add Anton Bruckner, Richard Wagner, Olivier Messiaen and Luigi Nono? = While they don't use the same wattage, experiencing e.g. the 12-trumpet= s/8-horns section after a pianissimo passage in the orchestral pit in Bayre= uth in Lohengrin is a full-body experience as well.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer

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--bcaec53d55e9fddfec04b669ddfd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 15:22:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1615B183461; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=nB9clDcqGRepvS5OlpvWv+XwdZzLIBmXpBkhnTK9W70=; b=nbp9ZoWb4OCzU9/q/f4qq1gRpgOY/7R1iYPpM2XXWctsk/jWSem5c9LFUeneC/A364 ylw7D1q2uD0zx1bPMMf1kMvbMAALMnhAtoP4Lo8h5k3nqMLdWBMkOX76quLilRTNk6Nl yJJgpbrhCP72bOTcul33l1TFurnRCAjnSVrkk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:22:29 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cz1NDa59V-at_mhwRlS7EKiV5qo Message-ID: Subject: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044480df175b2604b66a70b6 Resent-Message-ID: <7rNKV.A.sf.KxEEPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:22:50 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044480df175b2604b66a70b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday, its quite simply the most insanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have an iPhone but in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny screen of the iPhone I can now control things that were nearly impossible to do on the hardware itself. I was never interested in other control surfaces as they never had the right amount of knobs or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt like an iPad, but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a couple of things in my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features. I set to work making an EDP layout, but after a while ran into some speed bumps, for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work, only the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template... WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again! Any way heres my blog post about it, along with a little demo of repeater doing its stuff, controlled from across the room with an iPhone.. http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=1985 Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d044480df175b2604b66a70b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday, its quite simply th= e most insanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have an iP= hone but in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny screen of the iPh= one I can now control things that were nearly impossible to do on the hardw= are itself. I was never interested in other control surfaces as they never = had the right amount of knobs or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I= wouldnt like an iPad, but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a coup= le of things in my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features.
I set to work making an EDP layout, but after a while ran into some speed b= umps, for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work, only = the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template...

WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again!
Any way h= eres my blog post about it, along with a little demo of repeater doing its = stuff, controlled from across the room with an iPhone..

http://www.markfrancombe.c= om/wordpress/?p=3D1985

Mark

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--f46d044480df175b2604b66a70b6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 15:59:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D434183465; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yTDApw2tTWnbdw7HCGsUzIxnjbkHoGK+0MXgfjfVjRU=; b=kcPMA/YCaLXlyraNyrEQLv/Sxrme2oVaMFNcCe18c+fSXR9I1DuvsYjWqm0SBq0CAK nRsXOz/GLOsEDoaC4j1XQoMYUWgB1fyRK+u9vKomTsGZwKAjKSrk/yBuMymFy2Vpaxwz r+KVzjXNsmZSWsigTFNIbXcySwsQxZ7TuBsRQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:59:44 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:59:45 +0000 (UTC) very cool, mark! btw, do you have the latest OS for the repeater? On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday, its quite simply the most > insanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have an iPhone but > in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny screen of the iPhone I can > now control things that were nearly impossible to do on the hardware itself. > I was never interested in other control surfaces as they never had the right > amount of knobs or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt like > an iPad, but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a couple of things in > my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features. > I set to work making an EDP layout, but after a while ran into some speed > bumps, for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work, only > the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template... > > WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again! > Any way heres my blog post about it, along with a little demo of repeater > doing its stuff, controlled from across the room with an iPhone.. > > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=1985 > > Mark > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 16:04:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D47C8183463; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cZ09iqhpkPc/uZq0Xm/72sHtvz4Ip6n/+SMRhunnkFMgHd/R3kIEm70bU7fDRp1W; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:04:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-885651833==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794e02a13b0d6cffc121edea4d131b2f24350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:04:24 +0000 (UTC) --============_-885651833==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" How about a link? >I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday, its quite simply the >most insanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have >an iPhone but in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny >screen of the iPhone I can now control things that were nearly >impossible to do on the hardware itself. I was never interested in >other control surfaces as they never had the right amount of knobs >or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt like an iPad, >but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a couple of things in >my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features. >I set to work making an EDP layout, but after a while ran into some >speed bumps, for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands >to work, only the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a >Repeater Template... > >WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again! >Any way heres my blog post about it, along with a little demo of >repeater doing its stuff, controlled from across the room with an >iPhone.. > >http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=1985 > >Mark > >-- >Mark Francombe >www.markfrancombe.com >www.ordoabkhao.com >http://vimeo.com/user825094 >http://www.looop.no >twitter @markfrancombe >http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-885651833==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link
How about a link?

I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday, its quite simply the most insanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have an iPhone but in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny screen of the iPhone I can now control things that were nearly impossible to do on the hardware itself. I was never interested in other control surfaces as they never had the right amount of knobs or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt like an iPad, but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a couple of things in my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features.
I set to work making an EDP layout, but after a while ran into some speed bumps, for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work, only the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template...

WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again!
Any way heres my blog post about it, along with a little demo of repeater doing its stuff, controlled from across the room with an iPhone..

http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=1985

Mark

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-885651833==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 16:21:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 104C518345F; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JeeGECrBY9UYfp+q9oLUz+2KW4gdnZdj7jgZ1GPgpMw=; b=cDxsB9DYPNresykviA02otLORifU1AhQDajWs5toZc9BgmZCqgmtXi17I3DKCmCDqN uBMDA4qn34XM2mrXFJRJJPgrVt0qIuFL3HhSBbW3QrJdJeGUogCLAuAQOUK2Bf66Oj2/ vBkqieO3m6yrtucZFzinSpmugvVEOZxMJYQZA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:21:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Cool. Bill also uses the Missing Link to get MIDI into hardware from an iPhone over OSC and wifi. I'm researching how to mount my iPhone on my Stick but since I use a laptop at the receiving end I'm skipping over the Missing Link. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > How about a link? > > I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday, its quite simply the most > insanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have an iPhone but > in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny screen of the iPhone I can > now control things that were nearly impossible to do on the hardware itself. > I was never interested in other control surfaces as they never had the right > amount of knobs or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt like > an iPad, but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a couple of things in > my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features. > I set to work making an EDP layout, but after a while ran into some speed > bumps, for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work, only > the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template... > > WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again! > Any way heres my blog post about it, along with a little demo of repeater > doing its stuff, controlled from across the room with an iPhone.. > > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=1985 > > Mark > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > -- > > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 16:27:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5225D183466; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_16393f2e-5a00-4198-8d81-d49380f835fb_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:27:34 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2012 16:27:34.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[416B9120:01CCD210] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:27:36 +0000 (UTC) --_16393f2e-5a00-4198-8d81-d49380f835fb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very=2C very COOL.. rather cool little improvisation.. Looking forward to h= earing more... Anders=20 From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Fri=2C 13 Jan 2012 16:22:29 +0100 Subject: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday=2C its quite simply the most i= nsanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have an iPhone but= in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny screen of the iPhone I ca= n now control things that were nearly impossible to do on the hardware itse= lf. I was never interested in other control surfaces as they never had the = right amount of knobs or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt= like an iPad=2C but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a couple of = things in my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features. I set to work making an EDP layout=2C but after a while ran into some speed= bumps=2C for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work=2C= only the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template... WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again! Any way heres my blog post about it=2C along with a little demo of repeater= doing its stuff=2C controlled from across the room with an iPhone.. http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D1985 Mark --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_16393f2e-5a00-4198-8d81-d49380f835fb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Very=2C very COOL.. rather cool little =3Bimprovisation.. Looking f= orward to hearing more...


Anders =3B<= br>
From:= mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Fri=2C 13 Jan 2012 16:22:29 +0100
Subje= ct: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link
To: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com

I got a "missing link" in the post yester= day=2C its quite simply the most insanely useful little box I have bought i= n years. I only have an iPhone but in a way thats why its so amazing. From = the tiny screen of the iPhone I can now control things that were nearly imp= ossible to do on the hardware itself. I was never interested in other contr= ol surfaces as they never had the right amount of knobs or took up too much= room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt like an iPad=2C but for now the iPhone f= its neatly in between a couple of things in my rack and has potential to un= lock loads of features.
I set to work making an EDP layout=2C but after a while ran into some speed= bumps=2C for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work=2C= only the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template...=

WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again!
Any way h= eres my blog post about it=2C along with a little demo of repeater doing it= s stuff=2C controlled from across the room with an iPhone..

htt= p://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D1985

Mark

--
Mark Franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
= --_16393f2e-5a00-4198-8d81-d49380f835fb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 16:28:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7438D183473; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ElYjlmuLXR/drG1niYgTZ5EwivZY0/2fcKEipiPzVuw=; b=GUJ8CK1J6IJk0p8pTNxTS/IqeQz1sHzeBk99LB3GC99pcpc/OLKzovkWlr7vb5xIOo 9TkbdZfZKdaacqN8Fzwrixafi65SCQ3WpTsUNgMYCLlZAxfVHSHm0T+MQRfS68d1TkHQ Y1OwopFZv0VyFQm0FAIsKggpf9Zpjst471uFY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F0DDEB9.2010805@cruzio.com> References: <4F0DDEB9.2010805@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f615e8b9f04b66b5bce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:28:39 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340f615e8b9f04b66b5bce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rudiments are like Lego blocks. They are designed to be played with! On Jan 11, 2012 2:10 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, william middlemiss wrote: > >> Drum rudiments. Post them on the wall, practice them. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Swiss_Army_Triplet >> >> http://rudimentstudies.com/**rudiments.htm >> >> then, combine them. write out your combinations, post them on the wall, >> practice them. >> >> If you know notation on even a slightly percussive instrument (piano >> would definitely qualify) then you're ahead of the game. >> > > As a drummer, I like the rudiments but sometimes they are frustrating to > me because they are so limited mathematically. > As an example, the famous paradiddle R L R R L R L L is fascinating > because it the present two double stroke > rolls that when played together, force each hand to play on each side of > the syncopation. The double right hands > and double left hands balance each other out in this respect. > > for what it's worth, I developed these DOUBLE STROKE BALANCING EXERCISES > to practice all of the > ways to achieve this onbeat/offbeat sensibility in a set of 8 16th notes > (half a measure in 4/4). > > They make really good exercises for pianist, percussionists and for guitar > players (using up/down picking to substitute for > R L order) > > Play them without accent at first. Then play them with all right hands > (or down picks) accented and then again > with all left hands accented. Lastly, play them each once in order > without stopping every single day. > In a month's time you will be very used to playing on any side of the beat > (on/beat to off/beat) with ease. > > DOUBLE STROKE BALANCING EXERCISES > copyright 1981 Rick Walker > > > 1) R R l R l R l l > 2) R R l R l R R l > 3) R R l R l l R l "ratamacue" > 4) R R l R R l R l > 5) R R l l R l R l > 6) R l l R l R l l > 7) R l l R l R R l > 8) R l l R l l R l "tresillo" > 9) R l l R R l R l > 10) R l R R l R l l "paradiddle" > 11) R l R R l R R l "cinquillo" > 12) R l R R l l R l > 13) R l R l l R l l > 14) R l R l l R R l > 15) R l R l R R l l > > and then five more incorporating the pickup note > > 16) R |: R l R l R l l R :| > 17) R |: R l R l R R l R :| > 18) R |: R l R l l R l R :| > 19) R |: R l R R l R l R :| > 20) R |: R l l R l R l R :| > > > --14dae9340f615e8b9f04b66b5bce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rudiments are like Lego blocks. They are designed to be played with!

On Jan 11, 2012 2:10 PM, "Rick Walker"= <looppool@cruzio.com> wro= te:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, william middlemiss wrote:
Drum rudiments. Post them on the wall, practice them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Army_Triplet

http= ://rudimentstudies.com/rudiments.htm

then, combine them. write out your combinations, post them on the wall, pra= ctice them.

If you know notation on even a slightly percussive instrument (piano would = definitely qualify) then you're ahead of the game.

As a drummer, I like the rudiments but sometimes they are frustrating to me= because they are so limited mathematically.
As an example, =A0the famous paradiddle =A0R L R R L R L L =A0 =A0is fascin= ating because it the present two =A0double stroke
rolls that when played together, force each hand to play on each side of th= e syncopation. =A0The double right hands
and double left hands balance each other out in this respect.

for what it's worth, =A0I developed these DOUBLE STROKE BALANCING EXERC= ISES to practice all of the
ways to achieve this onbeat/offbeat sensibility in a set of 8 16th notes (h= alf a measure in 4/4).

They make really good exercises for pianist, percussionists and for guitar = players (using up/down picking to substitute for
R L order)

Play them without accent at first. =A0Then play them with all right hands (= or down picks) accented and then again
with all left hands accented. =A0 =A0 Lastly, =A0play them each once in ord= er without stopping every single day.
In a month's time you will be very used to playing on any side of the b= eat (on/beat to off/beat) with ease.

DOUBLE STROKE BALANCING EXERCISES
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0copyright 1981 Rick Walker


1) =A0 R R l R l R l l
2) =A0 R R l R l R R l
3) =A0 R R l R l l R l =A0 =A0 "ratamacue"
4) =A0 R R l R R l R l
5) =A0 R R l l R l R l
6) =A0 R l l R l R l l
7) =A0 R l l R l R R l
8) =A0 R l l R l l R l =A0 =A0 =A0"tresillo"
9) =A0 R l l R R l R l
10) =A0R l R R l R l l =A0 =A0 =A0"paradiddle"
11) =A0R l R R l R R l =A0 =A0 =A0"cinquillo"
12) =A0R l R R l l R l
13) =A0R l R l l R l l
14) =A0R l R l l R R l
15) =A0R l R l R R l l

and then five more incorporating the pickup note

16) R |: R l R l R l l R :|
17) R |: R l R l R R l R :|
18) R |: R l R l l R l R :|
19) R |: R l R R l R l R :|
20) R |: R l l R l R l R :|


--14dae9340f615e8b9f04b66b5bce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 17:16:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BBD9183463; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:16:08 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_264afaee-0038-4628-9c5c-afdf455420d8_" X-Originating-IP: [24.21.214.18] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: OT: Music suggestions? Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:11:06 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2012 17:11:08.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[572A1170:01CCD216] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:16:08 +0000 (UTC) --_264afaee-0038-4628-9c5c-afdf455420d8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great lists all. I add=20 World Music: Tinariwen --Mali Ali Farke Toure - Mali Lakshmi Shankar Classical Raga Vocals Nusfrat Fateh Ali Khan / Fannah Fi Allah --Qwalli vocals Morton Feldman -mid 20th Century composer Tweak yer ears on Alban Berg=2C Anton Webern=2C early Schoenberg=2C Stravin= sky Modern Jackie O Motherfucker --electro noise=2C free jazz=2C & folk : especially = Flags of the Sacred Harp Bill Laswell -- several good choices here Kruder & Dorfmeister --K & D Sessions So much music=2C so little time.... J.D.Devros Portland=2COR > Date: Wed=2C 11 Jan 2012 19:44:39 -0600 > Subject: OT: Music suggestions? > From: marcusloops@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I listen to a lot of ambient=2C both past and modern. I have a little > bit of soul music and jazz as well=2C but I feel like I'm missing out on > a lot of stuff. >=20 > Any suggestions for good experimental=2C world=2C classic stuff in genera= l? >=20 > Big fan of satie=2C arvo park=2C gorecki=2C talking heads=2C belong=2C sl= owdive. >=20 > Bands/albums would be cool. >=20 = --_264afaee-0038-4628-9c5c-afdf455420d8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great lists all.
I add

World Music:
Tinariwe= n --Mali
Ali Farke Toure - Mali
Lakshmi Shankar Classical Raga Vocals=
Nusfrat Fateh Ali Khan =3B / Fannah Fi Allah --Qwalli vocals
Morton Feldman -mid 20th Century composer
Tweak yer ears on Alban Berg= =2C Anton Webern=2C early Schoenberg=2C Stravinsky

Modern
Jackie = O Motherfucker --electro noise=2C free jazz=2C &=3B folk : =3B espec= ially Flags of the Sacred Harp
Bill Laswell =3B -- several good choi= ces here
Kruder &=3B Dorfmeister --K &=3B D Sessions

So muc= h music=2C so little time....

J.D.Devros
Portland=2COR



>=3B Date: Wed=2C 11 = Jan 2012 19:44:39 -0600
>=3B Subject: OT: Music suggestions?
>=3B= From: marcusloops@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com
>=3B
>=3B I listen to a lot of ambient=2C both past and mode= rn. I have a little
>=3B bit of soul music and jazz as well=2C but I f= eel like I'm missing out on
>=3B a lot of stuff.
>=3B
>=3B = Any suggestions for good experimental=2C world=2C classic stuff in general?=
>=3B
>=3B Big fan of satie=2C arvo park=2C gorecki=2C talking h= eads=2C belong=2C slowdive.
>=3B
>=3B Bands/albums would be cool= .
>=3B
= --_264afaee-0038-4628-9c5c-afdf455420d8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 17:27:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1995F183466; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:27:00 +0000 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pigtronix 'Infinity' Looper Message-ID: Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01qUmhRhms2XinfOev6h6tBrTodxCp1xl2FLjqeAmu3xx3AqmivxI=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Courtesy of:=20 http://www.whatsthatdudeplay.com/2012/01/pigtronix-gets-thrown-for-loop "Meet Infinity=E2=80=A6 Pigtronix's take on a robust looper. The Infinity = boasts=20 discrete analog limiting and transparent pass-thru coupled with seamless=20 recording, playback, dub, undo and redo, on two stereo loop pairs. The pedal's Sync Multi mode provides a multiplier function that allows the=20 length of Loop 2 to be one, two, three, four or six times the length of=20 Loop 1. The pedal features 20 loop presets and one blank canvas. The loops=20 can also be run out of sync or even in series for verse/chorus song=20 structures, according to the company. The pedal also has an expression=20 pedal jack for hands free control of overall output and USB access for=20 archival and transfer of your music. The other new one is called the FAT Drive =E2=80=93 a thick, = touch-sensitive=20 overdrive built around multiple cascaded gain stages, enabling the pedal to = cover sounds ranging from slightly overdriven to rich saturation. The FAT=20 Drive uses a low pass filter for tone shaping. Bringing the tone control=20 all the way clockwise takes this filter completely out of the circuit for=20 hearty low end. Rolling the tone control back smooths out the highs,=20 leaving ample mid-range bloom and bottom end punch, according to the=20 builder. The pedal's Hi/Lo toggle alters the gain structure for more=20 crunch. The true-bypass FAT Drive runs off standard 9v power, but ships=20 with an 18v adapter for more headroom and overall output." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 17:46:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1048183464; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2caa840b-3690-4147-b3c7-aea2ef3fd1f5_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: Some music for you - fRIDAY tHIRTEEN bLUES Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:46:20 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2012 17:46:20.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[426113B0:01CCD21B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:46:21 +0000 (UTC) --_2caa840b-3690-4147-b3c7-aea2ef3fd1f5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirteen-blues Friday.. blue.. guitar.. octatrack.. Da Blues... in a different way.. Jammi= n all alone... da blues.. (all is=2C as usual one take=2C nothing pre-recorded... live looping/sampli= ng .. and there is some BLUES guitar here.. More one man bandish than most = of my stuff..) = --_2caa840b-3690-4147-b3c7-aea2ef3fd1f5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
htt= p://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirteen-blues

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Friday.. blue.. guitar.. octatrack.. =3B
Da Blues..= . in a different way.. =3B
Jammin all alone... da blues..

(all is=2C as usual one take=2C nothing pre-recorded.= .. live looping/sampling .. and there is some BLUES guitar here.. =3B
More one man bandish than most of my stuff..)
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= --_2caa840b-3690-4147-b3c7-aea2ef3fd1f5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 18:36:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBE84183460; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jsvYsZfKGY9fr5JsDYr0TOWdX8vWeoxEpYrIzJZWzFs=; b=w0GwochB25r5+MiMdjyoZ8+6A3ijbDwOjmd/fLipv0pvYs0bHPh1vQ/fbWva+Lavy4 sc1DCgziFsPmsRkW33CxPPUB4hF5hC5DncQu2R/DKmmhsttS444Wobjca9IDeH1HHNOb rxyc4sjdpHx7NrEI2k0mw48YLabtf1DXIIqpQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:36:41 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044787a56514ca04b66d252d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:36:42 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044787a56514ca04b66d252d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Phillip, Do you have any vids online of you playing your machines? I'd love to see them! -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:49 AM, phillip wilson wrote: > > > >>Conventional drum machine arrangements put the bass drum in the > lower left corner, high hats in the lower right, cymbals on the upper > row and toms/claps, etc in the middle. This makes it easy to remember > which sounds are rare, but is not necessarily the most efficient > arrangement playing them live.>> > > I play live drum machines using Korg ESX , ER Flame Six in a Row and > Handsonics, > > each have VERY diferant layouts. > --------- > > the korgs are all in a single row, in which case I have the following > personal splits > > Bass Drum 1 - Snare1 - BD2 - Snare2 - Crash - Clsd HH - Open HH - Perc 1 - > Perc 2 > > > this lets me use the right hand for the full kit...middle finger to play > the hats open and closed, I can extend my pinky to grab percussion, and > bass and snare are always under the thumb and index finger...if i want the > second kit group i just contracct the hand slightly and if i need a crash i > use the cymbal finger moving it left off the hats. ----its a nice layout > for me and leaves me my left hand for tweaking ( which does mean i play > cross armed but thats just how i developed, i cant articular with my left > hand as well. > > -------- > > the Flame is mega intuitive and has 3 groups of 4 buttons each set in a > square configuration > i have a similar overall layout but use two hands on this. > > middle square is 2 sets of open and closed hats closed on the left open > on the right > > left hand square is two bass drums on the upper and lower left and two > snares right > > right hand square is three percussive elements laid out in a high sound > right low on left format but with my trusty crash top right for easy access. > > ------- > > My Handsonic is very custom to how I play, it is very diferant to the > "Smith" way of setting up (look on youtube for his) althogh I took large > instiration from his ideas. > > I have my bass drum on the center note, I then have closed and open hats > on the two big front pads ( this way I can hit them with the side of my > hand and the BD at the same time , I have the snare on the main upper > right pad (3 oclock) so my right hand can alternate between hi hat hits on > the two bottom pads and the snare top right... > > then around the 10 "rim" elements I have an unusual variation... I have my > crash top middle for very easy access then moving from there around the > right side top, I alternate between a" high " element such as a clap, then > a "tick" element such as a shaker, tambourine or hi hat, then another > "high" then another "tick " .... wilre moreing round the left hand top I > go "low" element such as bass or floor tom, then "tick" and so on.... > > in playing this means I have my main "KIT" in the center, and as I > improvise I can hit to the left with the left hand anytime I want to add a > low end variation and slap out with my right hand to the right if I want > some thing to replace the snare.... and at the same time i can spread my > fingers wide for more layers or variations or I can keep a double finger > width to hit a "main sound " such as a clap..whilst also maintainng the > 16ths on a "tick " element so the hi hat rhythm is uniterupted. > > > > Thats my setup anyway. > --f46d044787a56514ca04b66d252d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Phillip,

Do you have any vids online of you playing your machine= s? I'd love to see them!


--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com=
www.ribosomemus= ic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
Rigs! http://www.youtube.= com/user/ribosomematt


On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:49 AM, phillip= wilson <ph= illwilson@hotmail.com> wrote:


>>Conventional drum machine arrangements put the bass drum in= the
lower left corner, high hats in the lower right, cymbals on the upper
row and toms/claps, etc in the middle. This makes it easy to remember
which sounds are rare, but is not necessarily the most efficient
arrangement playing them live.>>

I play live drum machin= es using Korg ESX , ER Flame Six in a Row and Handsonics,

each have = VERY diferant layouts.
---------

the korgs are all in a single ro= w, in which case I have the following personal splits

Bass Drum 1 - Snare1 - BD2 - Snare2 - Crash - Clsd HH - Open HH - Perc = 1 - Perc 2


this lets me use the right hand for the full kit...mi= ddle finger to play the hats open and closed, I can extend my pinky to grab= percussion, and bass and snare are always under the thumb and index finger= ...if i want the second kit group i just contracct the hand slightly and if= i need a crash i use the cymbal finger moving it left off the hats. ----it= s a nice layout for me and leaves me my left hand for tweaking ( which does= mean i play cross armed but thats just how i developed, i cant articular w= ith my left hand as well.

--------

the Flame is mega intuitive and has 3 groups of 4 butto= ns=A0 each set in a square configuration
i have a similar overall layou= t but use two hands on this.

middle square is=A0 2 sets of open and = closed hats=A0 closed on the left open on the right

left hand square is two bass drums on the upper and lower left and two = snares right

right hand square is three percussive elements laid out= in a high sound right low on left format but with my trusty crash top righ= t for easy access.

-------

My Handsonic is very custom to how I play, it is very diferant to the &= quot;Smith" way of setting up (look on youtube for his) althogh I took= large instiration from his ideas.

I have my bass drum on the center= note,=A0 I then have closed and open hats on the two big front pads ( this= way I can hit them with the side of my hand and the=A0 BD at the same time= , I have the snare on the main upper right pad (3 oclock)=A0 so my right h= and can alternate between hi hat hits on the two bottom pads and the snare = top right...

then around the 10 "rim" elements I have an unusual variation= ... I have my crash top middle for very easy access then moving from there = around the right side top, I alternate between a" high " element = such as a clap, then a "tick" element such as a shaker, tambourin= e or hi hat, then another "high" then another "tick "= =A0 .... wilre moreing round the left hand=A0 top I go "low" elem= ent such as bass or floor tom, then "tick" and so on....

in playing this means I have my main "KIT" in the center, and= as I improvise I can hit to the left with the left hand anytime I want to = add a low end variation and slap out with my right hand to the right if I w= ant some thing to replace the snare.... and at the same time i can spread m= y fingers wide for more layers or variations or I can=A0 keep a double fing= er width to hit a "main sound " such as a clap..whilst also maint= ainng the 16ths on a "tick " element so the hi hat rhythm is unit= erupted.



Thats my =A0 setup anyway.



--f46d044787a56514ca04b66d252d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 02:23:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74706183460; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F10E715.6050504@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:23:17 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC, Friday, 20th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:23:36 +0000 (UTC) OT but peripheral to live looping and especially arrangment: I've been asked to give a 'free to the public' lecture at the University of California at Santa Cruz on the Universal Nature of Rhythm this coming Friday, January 20th. I'll cover how to understand how it affects us; how to understand it theoretically and how to use a very simple universal system that wlll help us compose, arrange and improvise in any musical tradition on the planet. The lecture is free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre, UCSC from 4:15 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. January 16-22, 2012 This Week in Music ************************************************* LECTURE-WORKSHOP "How Rhythm Works" by Rick Walker Friday, January 20 , 2012 4:15-6:00 p.m. 131 Music Center Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you can use it musically; utilizing simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and perceptual theory. He will give simple examples of how rhythms affect the nervous system and a universal systemic approach to understanding how to hear and write rhythms. Then, he will demonstrate how you can use this system in improvisation, arrangement, and composition and how this universal system applies to different global paradigms of rhythm. Admission: Free From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 02:33:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E58183462; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4W5QoZn8XldJPbotRnx5y4RWAYLpwG6odj4C1pKa+qc=; b=jlnLAsGt2oGkxhZ4riTQqb1V+VxqTj0vcvUpO/YTlF0S5QhBG48WpKrTzXfxnCWwWV sknLVLfrvYUHtyfx59L3UY4wUHZhfxftj/4oDfo+9hRg3RmSHLySex7H/YH+TYA3Oy1q QUv9Vkr6P7zNVNg+vUM+wAYvO+avi4lvpFQcE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F10E715.6050504@cruzio.com> References: <4F10E715.6050504@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:33:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC, Friday, 20th From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554da6a20337404b673cdf9 Resent-Message-ID: <0SmxnB.A.JLB.ilOEPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:33:06 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554da6a20337404b673cdf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 cool! Im in Massachusetts, or else Id drop in, but good luck! On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > OT but peripheral to live looping and especially arrangment: > > I've been asked to give a 'free to the public' lecture at the University > of California at Santa Cruz on the Universal Nature of Rhythm this coming > Friday, January 20th. > > I'll cover how to understand how it affects us; how to understand it > theoretically and how to use a very simple universal system that wlll help > us compose, arrange and improvise in any musical tradition on the planet. > > The lecture is free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre, UCSC > from 4:15 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. > > January 16-22, 2012 > > This Week in Music > *************************************************** > LECTURE-WORKSHOP > "How Rhythm Works" > by Rick Walker > > Friday, January 20 , 2012 > 4:15-6:00 p.m. > 131 Music Center > > Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you can use > it musically; utilizing simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and > perceptual theory. He will give simple examples of how rhythms affect the > nervous system and a universal systemic approach to understanding how to > hear and write rhythms. Then, he will demonstrate how you can use this > system in improvisation, arrangement, and composition and how this > universal system applies to different global paradigms of rhythm. > > Admission: Free > > -- If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) --bcaec554da6a20337404b673cdf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cool!

Im in Massachusetts, or else Id drop in, but good = luck!



On Fri, J= an 13, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
OT but peripheral to live looping and especi= ally arrangment:

I've been asked to give a 'free to the public' =A0lecture at th= e University of California at Santa Cruz on the Universal Nature of Rhythm = this coming Friday, January 20th.

I'll cover how to understand how it affects us; =A0how to understand it= theoretically and how to use a very simple universal system that wlll help= us compose, arrange and improvise in any musical tradition on the planet.<= br>
The lecture is free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre, UCSC fro= m 4:15 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.

January 16-22, 2012

This Week in Music
*************************************************
LECTURE-WORKSHOP
"How Rhythm Works"
by Rick Walker

Friday, January 20 , 2012
4:15-6:00 p.m.
131 Music Center

Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you can use it= musically; utilizing simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and perceptual = theory. He will give simple examples of how rhythms affect the nervous syst= em and a universal systemic approach to understanding how to hear and write= rhythms. Then, he will demonstrate how you can use this system in improvis= ation, arrangement, and composition and how this universal system applies t= o different global paradigms of rhythm.

Admission: Free




--
If you do no= t understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask = questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assur= ed any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is av= ailable; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be = better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that y= ou respect mine.

Best wishes, Billy

(I respectfully = ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes=A0the ap= pearance of authenticity and=A0compromises the honorable intentions from wh= ich this signature was created.)

--bcaec554da6a20337404b673cdf9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 02:36:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9755D183461; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=k/M+chFGAtkSkEC/xnw/CwmeZuFQdZCN3JuS2iNkRMk=; b=saCL+BhYE/U5veG+QZn04xzX1p9Qi6/QjUWXbmIx0YJsPhMNHjllzB/x50A9CQQXWo NE1N6Lrin+I12rnIphimBTnQWU5ntcj3kagazrV5kiq6WZA7jKqTaLrSPFB3ykf+9rQO g3NGG+6/xlIwq+DZrCsqvKbL9Fg5YIQiXl7s8= Subject: Re: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC, Friday, 20th References: <4F10E715.6050504@cruzio.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3F2C5025-B847-4694-9C7F-629C97E7C555 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <124A5400-F650-4D2F-90EE-05EED9354AC6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:36:33 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:36:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3F2C5025-B847-4694-9C7F-629C97E7C555 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PLEASE get it on video. I'd love to sed it :D Sent from my iPod On Jan 13, 2012, at 6:33 PM, william middlemiss w= rote: > cool! >=20 > Im in Massachusetts, or else Id drop in, but good luck! >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > OT but peripheral to live looping and especially arrangment: >=20 > I've been asked to give a 'free to the public' lecture at the University o= f California at Santa Cruz on the Universal Nature of Rhythm this coming Fri= day, January 20th. >=20 > I'll cover how to understand how it affects us; how to understand it theo= retically and how to use a very simple universal system that wlll help us co= mpose, arrange and improvise in any musical tradition on the planet. >=20 > The lecture is free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre, UCSC fr= om 4:15 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. >=20 > January 16-22, 2012 >=20 > This Week in Music > ************************************************* > LECTURE-WORKSHOP > "How Rhythm Works" > by Rick Walker >=20 > Friday, January 20 , 2012 > 4:15-6:00 p.m. > 131 Music Center >=20 > Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you can use i= t musically; utilizing simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and perceptual t= heory. He will give simple examples of how rhythms affect the nervous system= and a universal systemic approach to understanding how to hear and write rh= ythms. Then, he will demonstrate how you can use this system in improvisatio= n, arrangement, and composition and how this universal system applies to dif= ferent global paradigms of rhythm. >=20 > Admission: Free >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsib= ility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occ= ur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree w= hich is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my tim= e may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the conditio= n that you respect mine. >=20 > Best wishes, Billy >=20 > (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy di= minishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intent= ions from which this signature was created.) >=20 --Apple-Mail-3F2C5025-B847-4694-9C7F-629C97E7C555 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
PLEASE get it on video. I'd love to sed it :D

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 13, 2012, at 6:33 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:

cool!

Im in Massachusetts, or else Id drop in, but good luck!



On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
OT but peripheral to live looping and especially arrangment:

I've been asked to give a 'free to the public'  lecture at the University of California at Santa Cruz on the Universal Nature of Rhythm this coming Friday, January 20th.

I'll cover how to understand how it affects us;  how to understand it theoretically and how to use a very simple universal system that wlll help us compose, arrange and improvise in any musical tradition on the planet.

The lecture is free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre, UCSC from 4:15 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.

January 16-22, 2012

This Week in Music
*************************************************
LECTURE-WORKSHOP
"How Rhythm Works"
by Rick Walker

Friday, January 20 , 2012
4:15-6:00 p.m.
131 Music Center

Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you can use it musically; utilizing simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and perceptual theory. He will give simple examples of how rhythms affect the nervous system and a universal systemic approach to understanding how to hear and write rhythms. Then, he will demonstrate how you can use this system in improvisation, arrangement, and composition and how this universal system applies to different global paradigms of rhythm.

Admission: Free




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--Apple-Mail-3F2C5025-B847-4694-9C7F-629C97E7C555-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 02:43:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA26618345D; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0FD35653722C49FC9F49E5F61C5DB247@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4F10E715.6050504@cruzio.com> <124A5400-F650-4D2F-90EE-05EED9354AC6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <124A5400-F650-4D2F-90EE-05EED9354AC6@gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC, Friday, 20th Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:43:55 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CCD266.5B8016C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:43:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CCD266.5B8016C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0017_01CCD266.5B8016C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0017_01CCD266.5B8016C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, seconded. Don=E2=80=99t deprive us!=20 From: Gmail=20 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC, = Friday, 20th PLEASE get it on video. I'd love to sed it :D Sent from my iPod On Jan 13, 2012, at 6:33 PM, william middlemiss = wrote: cool!=20 Im in Massachusetts, or else Id drop in, but good luck! On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Rick Walker = wrote: OT but peripheral to live looping and especially arrangment: I've been asked to give a 'free to the public' lecture at the = University of California at Santa Cruz on the Universal Nature of Rhythm = this coming Friday, January 20th. I'll cover how to understand how it affects us; how to understand = it theoretically and how to use a very simple universal system that wlll = help us compose, arrange and improvise in any musical tradition on the = planet. The lecture is free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre, = UCSC from 4:15 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. January 16-22, 2012 This Week in Music ************************************************* LECTURE-WORKSHOP "How Rhythm Works" by Rick Walker Friday, January 20 , 2012 4:15-6:00 p.m. 131 Music Center Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you can = use it musically; utilizing simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and = perceptual theory. He will give simple examples of how rhythms affect = the nervous system and a universal systemic approach to understanding = how to hear and write rhythms. Then, he will demonstrate how you can use = this system in improvisation, arrangement, and composition and how this = universal system applies to different global paradigms of rhythm. Admission: Free --=20 If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a = responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual = understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my = attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to = take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. = I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine.=20 Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every = copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the = honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) ------=_NextPart_001_0017_01CCD266.5B8016C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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PLEASE get it on video. I'd love to sed it :D

Sent from my=20 iPod

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cool!=20
 
Im in Massachusetts, or else Id drop in, but good luck!
 


On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Rick Walker = <looppool@cruzio.com> = wrote:
OT but peripheral to live looping and especially=20 arrangment:

I've been asked to give a 'free to the = public' =20 lecture at the University of California at Santa Cruz on the = Universal=20 Nature of Rhythm this coming Friday, January 20th.

I'll cover = how to=20 understand how it affects us;  how to understand it = theoretically and=20 how to use a very simple universal system that wlll help us compose, = arrange=20 and improvise in any musical tradition on the planet.

The = lecture is=20 free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre, UCSC from 4:15 = p.m. -=20 6:00 p.m.

January 16-22, 2012

This Week in=20 = Music
*************************************************
LECT= URE-WORKSHOP
"How=20 Rhythm Works"
by Rick Walker

Friday, January 20 ,=20 2012
4:15-6:00 p.m.
131 Music Center

Mr. Walker will = present=20 how rhythm works universally and how you can use it musically; = utilizing=20 simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and perceptual theory. He will = give=20 simple examples of how rhythms affect the nervous system and a = universal=20 systemic approach to understanding how to hear and write rhythms. = Then, he=20 will demonstrate how you can use this system in improvisation, = arrangement,=20 and composition and how this universal system applies to different = global=20 paradigms of rhythm.

Admission: = Free


 
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Sylvain On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > Very, very COOL.. rather cool little=A0improvisation.. Looking forward to > hearing more... > > > Anders > ________________________________ > From: mark@markfrancombe.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:22:29 +0100 > Subject: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday, its quite simply the most > insanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have an iPhone = but > in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny screen of the iPhone I c= an > now control things that were nearly impossible to do on the hardware itse= lf. > I was never interested in other control surfaces as they never had the ri= ght > amount of knobs or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt lik= e > an iPad, but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a couple of things= in > my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features. > I set to work making an EDP layout, but after a while ran into some speed > bumps, for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work, on= ly > the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template... > > WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again! > Any way heres my blog post about it, along with a little demo of repeater > doing its stuff, controlled from across the room with an iPhone.. > > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D1985 > > Mark > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 04:20:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73994183453; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 04:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=g2ggujYu2loAAirinCJUCwtxJgBJtgJBdpIq2pErfZM=; b=NmrxBrNdcax3CYtckrLx9A2MvVHqfwl33UYgSRpzt1lWQX5paeFwIUb4gW+8tbqbJ7 q/H6xBwoXLxnuOSocUPYyLou7ufkKsVl8qat3dlhT6SsgKwMjLtzudO9x68orimSWjXv J7QSSy9zczMQ/29ZNnIENHUOxPtRDn7ir9hMQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:20:49 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba61471063740f04b6754eab Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 04:20:50 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba61471063740f04b6754eab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Way cool! Thanks Mark! On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > nice! > now, where did I put my repeater? > Sylvain > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Anders Bergdahl > wrote: > > > > Very, very COOL.. rather cool little improvisation.. Looking forward to > > hearing more... > > > > > > Anders > > ________________________________ > > From: mark@markfrancombe.com > > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:22:29 +0100 > > Subject: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday, its quite simply the most > > insanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have an iPhone > but > > in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny screen of the iPhone I > can > > now control things that were nearly impossible to do on the hardware > itself. > > I was never interested in other control surfaces as they never had the > right > > amount of knobs or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt > like > > an iPad, but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a couple of > things in > > my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features. > > I set to work making an EDP layout, but after a while ran into some speed > > bumps, for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work, > only > > the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template... > > > > WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again! > > Any way heres my blog post about it, along with a little demo of repeater > > doing its stuff, controlled from across the room with an iPhone.. > > > > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=1985 > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --90e6ba61471063740f04b6754eab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Way cool! Thanks Mark!

On Fri, Jan 13, 20= 12 at 7:40 PM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
nice!
now, where did I put my repeater?
Sylvain

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Anders Bergdahl
<anders_e_bergdahl@hotm= ail.com> wrote:
>
> Very, very COOL.. rather cool little=A0improvisation.. Looking forward= to
> hearing more...
>
>
> Anders
> ________________________________
> From: mark@markfrancombe.com=
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:22:29 +0100
> Subject: Reinvigorating Repeater with TouchOSC and Missing link
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> I got a "missing link" in the post yesterday, its quite simp= ly the most
> insanely useful little box I have bought in years. I only have an iPho= ne but
> in a way thats why its so amazing. From the tiny screen of the iPhone = I can
> now control things that were nearly impossible to do on the hardware i= tself.
> I was never interested in other control surfaces as they never had the= right
> amount of knobs or took up too much room. Now Im not saying I wouldnt = like
> an iPad, but for now the iPhone fits neatly in between a couple of thi= ngs in
> my rack and has potential to unlock loads of features.
> I set to work making an EDP layout, but after a while ran into some sp= eed
> bumps, for some reason I couldnt get the direct midi commands to work,= only
> the virtual buttons... but then I tried making a Repeater Template...<= br> >
> WOW!! so much fun... Suddenly Repeater becomes cool again!
> Any way heres my blog post about it, along with a little demo of repea= ter
> doing its stuff, controlled from across the room with an iPhone..
>
> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D1985
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




--
= Art Simon
simart@g= mail.com

--90e6ba61471063740f04b6754eab-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 05:50:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09A2418345D; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b5dc63c1-8daf-488e-8ce0-8fe17f9eb482_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.180] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC, Friday, 20th Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:50:04 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4F10E715.6050504@cruzio.com> References: <4F10E715.6050504@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2012 05:50:04.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D4BD740:01CCD280] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:50:06 +0000 (UTC) --_b5dc63c1-8daf-488e-8ce0-8fe17f9eb482_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds cool Rick. Good luck with it. Will it be video'ed? Peace G Gareth=2C Sentientfx - Innovative music plugins. http://sentientfx.com/ > Date: Fri=2C 13 Jan 2012 18:23:17 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC=2C Frid= ay=2C 20th >=20 > OT but peripheral to live looping and especially arrangment: >=20 > I've been asked to give a 'free to the public' lecture at the=20 > University of California at Santa Cruz on the Universal Nature of Rhythm= =20 > this coming Friday=2C January 20th. >=20 > I'll cover how to understand how it affects us=3B how to understand it=20 > theoretically and how to use a very simple universal system that wlll=20 > help us compose=2C arrange and improvise in any musical tradition on the= =20 > planet. >=20 > The lecture is free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre=2C UCSC= =20 > from 4:15 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. >=20 > January 16-22=2C 2012 >=20 > This Week in Music > ************************************************* > LECTURE-WORKSHOP > "How Rhythm Works" > by Rick Walker >=20 > Friday=2C January 20 =2C 2012 > 4:15-6:00 p.m. > 131 Music Center >=20 > Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you can use= =20 > it musically=3B utilizing simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and=20 > perceptual theory. He will give simple examples of how rhythms affect=20 > the nervous system and a universal systemic approach to understanding=20 > how to hear and write rhythms. Then=2C he will demonstrate how you can us= e=20 > this system in improvisation=2C arrangement=2C and composition and how th= is=20 > universal system applies to different global paradigms of rhythm. >=20 > Admission: Free >=20 = --_b5dc63c1-8daf-488e-8ce0-8fe17f9eb482_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds cool Rick. Good luck with it. Will it be video'ed?

Peace

G

Gareth=2C Sentientfx - =3B In= novative music plugins. http://sentientfx.com/

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>=3B This Week in Music
>=3B *******************= ******************************
>=3B LECTURE-WORKSHOP
>=3B "How Rh= ythm Works"
>=3B by Rick Walker
>=3B
>=3B Friday=2C January= 20 =2C 2012
>=3B 4:15-6:00 p.m.
>=3B 131 Music Center
>=3B =
>=3B Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you= can use
>=3B it musically=3B utilizing simple lay ideas from neuroph= ysiology and
>=3B perceptual theory. He will give simple examples of = how rhythms affect
>=3B the nervous system and a universal systemic a= pproach to understanding
>=3B how to hear and write rhythms. Then=2C = he will demonstrate how you can use
>=3B this system in improvisation= =2C arrangement=2C and composition and how this
>=3B universal system= applies to different global paradigms of rhythm.
>=3B
>=3B Admi= ssion: Free
>=3B
= --_b5dc63c1-8daf-488e-8ce0-8fe17f9eb482_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 08:50:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B33C18345E; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4F1141CE.001F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=TYqOupU+thQw9kvhTokMlUsZnahgEuSZDWfbabzTYLc= c=1 sm=1 a=kCpaBbNJITkA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=RyoF4xYlAAAA:20 a=4q-oXuWb_AjGeYf-QYYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=voZrjb6_8qcA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=3mQnpEky16S1h5_Ly-AA:9 a=QX6l2bCh5PVK9FBf3kkA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Cc: References: <641B88342AA8A352594DE2BA@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk><515F2665353B07418E6793F8@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk><4F10246C.3050800@googlemail.com> Subject: looking for any bands that were waaaayyy ahead of their time (was: Music suggestions) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 00:50:18 -0800 Message-ID: <6DAD26CA20E54038BF7E4573F87F618D@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CCD256.7CC04EA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AczSAYVLvJj0tKU0QQGWfBnvsPbKewAl3Ekg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:50:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CCD256.7CC04EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Millennium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millennium Check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09QgHBEs6l0 G ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CCD256.7CC04EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CCD256.7CC04EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 09:56:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8447518345B; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F115129.8040103@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 01:55:53 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gareth Whittock , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: RE: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC, Friday, 20th References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:56:02 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Sounds cool Rick. Good luck with it. Will it be video'ed? > > Peace > > G Dear Gareth and everyone who inquired about me videoing this lecture and releasing it to the public: I have to admit that it's getting so difficult to have any income stream as professional musician anymore and it's all I've ever done in my adult life, so I'm not entirely sure I want to put this material out for free on the web. It would further reduce my ability to have private students which is one of the last steady income streams that local musicians have these days in the present economy, at least. For what it's worth, I'm actually going to be teaching this course, professionally, one on one on Skype in a month or so. The good news is that I specifically tailor the material for a persons' specific background, level of rhythmic expertise (it goes DEEP when I teach an accomplished professional rhythmatist and learning styles and learning speeds. I work really hard to make the material fit people's specific needs. Additionally, I have spent 30 years of my life developing this material and countless hundreds of hours on research; literally thousands and thousands of dollars on private lessons with world master drummers and book and CD purchases for analysis and transcription so it's seems reasonable to be able to be able to make some of my living by teaching it. And viz a vis the University lecture, they are actually paying me well to teach it, so it's a gig. So, because I feel dedicated to this community and try to be really free with my own area of expertise with it as frequently as I can, I feel a little guilty admitting all of this, but it's the world we live in. You can get almost anything on line for free these days...........well.............almost anything. I hope you all understand my reluctance to video and put it out. yours, respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 10:14:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87FE8183460; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=StpLsawakdx8+cxeYTJTPzH4Gsd3vr0CBj1jmoWCJSM=; b=qXnRVgP5tDaCw307oVYgbPTsmpZOahbia8DedR6BjWUHlSvGn1fYutKb+kF4U12ERV etYcAxIZposqyxKlE2Tey3wtgXC7fm+GAStNkIrhdwctgWWppYklw0QaNoJF5hX9HbLN eby6sdXgeVUsJcYrjv/UZXp0LEebyE54Pl+Lg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6DAD26CA20E54038BF7E4573F87F618D@your0548c161e1> References: <641B88342AA8A352594DE2BA@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <515F2665353B07418E6793F8@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <4F10246C.3050800@googlemail.com> <6DAD26CA20E54038BF7E4573F87F618D@your0548c161e1> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:14:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looking for any bands that were waaaayyy ahead of their time (was: Music suggestions) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Interesting recording! Not that I think they seem to have been "ahead of their time", rather sounding very -68 to my ears, but the recording and level of playing was indeed at a high level. Well, Prelude might be seen as "ahead of time" as it sounds sequenced and there were hardly sequencing tools around in -68 ;-) Nice finding, I never spotted them through the massive Beatles roll-out in the sixties. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > The Millennium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millennium > > Check this out! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09QgHBEs6l0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 10:31:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B0F4183461; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aCe41wBXP8fn6XJM8jVNr5IWsiheRFvF+tbnNaj56h0=; b=Hdd/s1vj6wHLFZMhe89OCI9OUqTUV9c3My8Eix3PlI8YIN7ju8YLBCM9bAlk9ie9ng l3BPKpV6mQKYTSg/3zI8BVPJ7q+Xt+bGC12DL88BfRUIFNImI5+0yYYTHUTThVtILERn vHSZ6zHxWzKnJ/O1bXNJco4JS6HgbA87lm64s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:31:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Valpastus - Herttua ja kuningas (2012) From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6147107227ff04b67a7bca Resent-Message-ID: <6r5N6B.A.g2F.5lVEPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:31:21 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6147107227ff04b67a7bca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Though not wholly loop-based, but every listener is appreciated, my new EP http://valpastus.bandcamp.com/album/herttua-ja-kuningas is here for a free download. Humble thank you's if you find time to listen. -- Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba6147107227ff04b67a7bca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Though not wholly loop-based, but every listener is appreciated,
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http://valpastus.bandcamp.com/album/herttua-ja-kuningas

is he= re for a free download. Humble thank you's if you find time to listen.<= br clear=3D"all">
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--90e6ba6147107227ff04b67a7bca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 10:34:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 939DA18345F; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+wD8VEM+mbKVkhjtrgvXNgQ9RVRJOpCWOu0OnkUyo0E=; b=nHxTX5aQkMlmymHpGLkBhQZTJW5LsecOaLgAyw0P4pHkYvGORS8qe8eZ2KNAXp1PIk Ntpxbr4ttV4Ic3f8oFYCE6Jdvim8DTUMky2UZSl0N/DwphrvMAoUBEG3/aTIe2MBQoj9 wtcH4W5P29uy5VFq62y0HVh5ZAj35ZM/LpjrE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:34:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pigtronix 'Infinity' Looper From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934060bfb6c7c04b67a862e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:34:38 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934060bfb6c7c04b67a862e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This firm makes quality products, thats for sure 2012/1/13 Philip Conway > Courtesy of: http://www.whatsthatdudeplay.**com/2012/01/pigtronix-gets-** > thrown-for-loop > > "Meet Infinity=85 Pigtronix's take on a robust looper. The Infinity boast= s > discrete analog limiting and transparent pass-thru coupled with seamless > recording, playback, dub, undo and redo, on two stereo loop pairs. > > The pedal's Sync Multi mode provides a multiplier function that allows th= e > length of Loop 2 to be one, two, three, four or six times the length of > Loop 1. The pedal features 20 loop presets and one blank canvas. The loop= s > can also be run out of sync or even in series for verse/chorus song > structures, according to the company. The pedal also has an expression > pedal jack for hands free control of overall output and USB access for > archival and transfer of your music. > > The other new one is called the FAT Drive =96 a thick, touch-sensitive > overdrive built around multiple cascaded gain stages, enabling the pedal = to > cover sounds ranging from slightly overdriven to rich saturation. The FAT > Drive uses a low pass filter for tone shaping. Bringing the tone control > all the way clockwise takes this filter completely out of the circuit for > hearty low end. Rolling the tone control back smooths out the highs, > leaving ample mid-range bloom and bottom end punch, according to the > builder. The pedal's Hi/Lo toggle alters the gain structure for more > crunch. The true-bypass FAT Drive runs off standard 9v power, but ships > with an 18v adapter for more headroom and overall output." > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --14dae934060bfb6c7c04b67a862e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This firm makes quality products, thats for sure

2012/1/13 Philip Conway <Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk>
Courtesy of: http://www.whatsthatdudeplay.com/2012/01/pigtronix-gets-thrown-for-loop

"Meet Infinity=85 Pigtronix's take on a robust looper. The Infinit= y boasts discrete analog limiting and transparent pass-thru coupled with se= amless recording, playback, dub, undo and redo, on two stereo loop pairs.
The pedal's Sync Multi mode provides a multiplier function that allows = the length of Loop 2 to be one, two, three, four or six times the length of= Loop 1. The pedal features 20 loop presets and one blank canvas. The loops= can also be run out of sync or even in series for verse/chorus song struct= ures, according to the company. The pedal also has an expression pedal jack= for hands free control of overall output and USB access for archival and t= ransfer of your music.

The other new one is called the FAT Drive =96 a thick, touch-sensitive over= drive built around multiple cascaded gain stages, enabling the pedal to cov= er sounds ranging from slightly overdriven to rich saturation. The FAT Driv= e uses a low pass filter for tone shaping. Bringing the tone control all th= e way clockwise takes this filter completely out of the circuit for hearty = low end. Rolling the tone control back smooths out the highs, leaving ample= mid-range bloom and bottom end punch, according to the builder. The pedal&= #39;s Hi/Lo toggle alters the gain structure for more crunch. The true-bypa= ss FAT Drive runs off standard 9v power, but ships with an 18v adapter for = more headroom and overall output."




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<= br> --14dae934060bfb6c7c04b67a862e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 10:55:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27EF7183464; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fTp8gpfWm13lhuRul5jyNuoh2O7KWWdTzLHVBd+XN58=; b=jSaqM+qr3uRQYjW0sp7qBG5uUAhIZlNhPuz8NQPGLr5LBQSKGCDVbkCEgEl/58Xb5y 4T9byzHLJSYzRCq92GMDCJY2ersR39RUqRUATcY/QG65Mxnnsi2CgxF8rCBEUH2WJf9g ufjvzkYN/rxMHIkl/qZsqTeUD0hfrnqDRH56s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:55:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Some music for you - fRIDAY tHIRTEEN bLUES From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340a674efeb504b67ad3e5 Resent-Message-ID: <5NqDmC.A.7SG.68VEPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:55:55 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340a674efeb504b67ad3e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What guitar youre playing? 2012/1/13 Anders Bergdahl > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirteen-blues > > Friday.. blue.. guitar.. octatrack.. > Da Blues... in a different way.. > Jammin all alone... da blues.. > > (all is, as usual one take, nothing pre-recorded... live looping/sampling > .. and there is some BLUES guitar here.. > More one man bandish than most of my stuff..) > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340a674efeb504b67ad3e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What guitar youre playing?

2012/1/13 Ande= rs Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>



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<= br> --14dae9340a674efeb504b67ad3e5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 11:07:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCC80183461; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MPyJP2k54etTxSHvfN1lTFujm+35rpKpfNiLB3jOcGo=; b=pgMFE3ZteYh4E3OCdKs5GQ+an3cfsX2/eWCflOghMIAhMgWRfo0nCKFvCL2UbYHi06 3z655zTNC2738Ip8GhowN3oUL5aGPVDYXhTA1E+upeKxy0Sc70+/VvrYLVO2xnwqufz9 zBv68Q3VRjRNw6FQvnDAdSEp1pmo8oDkjZLns= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:07:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys, Just want to share my joy with the current Live version extended with M4L. I used Live a lot about ten years ago, together with a EDP/Repeater based rig to send chains of fast action commands to my loopers. But then Mobius arrived on the scene and I converted my Live MIDI Control Clips to Mobius scripts and got rid of the hardware loopers in order to focus more on the music with the more portable laptop based looping rig. During the years I made many attempts to include Live again but it never worked out well because Live was so bad at following external tempo sync - and I rather set the tempo by playing and looping instead of using a pre fixed tempo "as click". The Live 8 upgrade solved this issue and now Live follows Mobius (or any hosted looper plugin's) output tempo clock without loosing it. I think Live now is as good tempo following host app as Bidule and Mainstage, that I also like using. In some areas better... The big slam was picking up the Max4Live extension! M4L opens up Live and turns it into a modular system like Numerology and Bidule. Finally I can get rid of the need of dedicating two expression pedals for "swell pedal function" volume for the two audio outputs of my instrument. This is because M4L offers a great ENVELOPE FOLLOW function and what I did was to apply it on the audio input and target a volume functionality later in the signal chain as the parameter to be linked with audio signal amplitude. And then I set a quarter note long fade-up. For plucked and tapped string instruments this means I can get a violin-like swelling attack if playing a note from silence but get the normal string attack if playing slurs, hammer-ons etc. And of course turn it all off at times. Works great! But I had to try some different solutions for the volume function parameter in the target position. For example, if using Live's Utility plug's gain parameter I get zipper noise. Sometimes I targeted a compressor output level parameter and sometimes a track volume parameter, those two work well without zipper noise. Another great use of envelope follow is to assign audio input signal amplitude to feedback in a delay unit or time/size of a reverb unit; instant sound cloud freezing with a new "pocket" being created for any new note you play, making sure you never overload such a sound cloud. I've been struggling to set up a noise-less freeze functionality for years but for the first time I managed to get it working to my standards. There's a lot more, I don't want to make this post too long. M4L brings good live surround sound tools that I will probably use a lot in the future. Another exceptional thing is Kapture. Created by Liine for Plastikman this patch gives you total recall of everything in the mixer or the devices! I currently don't use that approach though, as I favor the traditional pedalboard context (Gordius LG) but Kapture would be great for doing a directed show or if performing using the mixer system as your instrument; you would then able to tweak ahead all the way to sonic hell and keep an instant life line back to where you started from. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 11:55:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE7CE183464; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_86bde42b-abca-4b0a-a0a6-faca71cd2e7b_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Some music for you - fRIDAY tHIRTEEN bLUES Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:55:19 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2012 11:55:20.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[63BE5A20:01CCD2B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:55:21 +0000 (UTC) --_86bde42b-abca-4b0a-a0a6-faca71cd2e7b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a spruce topped Soloway Single 15" (almost hollow) with 27" scale leng= th.. you can check them out at www.solowayguitars.com Date: Sat=2C 14 Jan 2012 12:55:54 +0200 Subject: Re: Some music for you - fRIDAY tHIRTEEN bLUES From: kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com What guitar youre playing? 2012/1/13 Anders Bergdahl http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirteen-blues Friday.. blue.. guitar.. octatrack..=20 Da Blues... in a different way.. Jammin all alone... da blues.. (all is=2C as usual one take=2C nothing pre-recorded... live looping/sampli= ng .. and there is some BLUES guitar here..=20 More one man bandish than most of my stuff..) =20 --=20 Petri Lahtinen = --_86bde42b-abca-4b0a-a0a6-faca71cd2e7b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = --_86bde42b-abca-4b0a-a0a6-faca71cd2e7b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 12:50:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89733183473; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d3b75c79-b9b2-457d-bd31-0e8fd49a8018_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.92] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC, Friday, 20th Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:50:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4F115129.8040103@cruzio.com> References: ,<4F115129.8040103@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2012 12:50:44.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[211CBAB0:01CCD2BB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:50:45 +0000 (UTC) --_d3b75c79-b9b2-457d-bd31-0e8fd49a8018_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can completely see where you're coming from Rick - good luck with it all! Peace G Gareth=2C Sentientfx - Innovative music plugins. http://sentientfx.com/ > Date: Sat=2C 14 Jan 2012 01:55:53 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: buddhamachine@live.co.uk=3B Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RE: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC= =2C Friday=2C 20th >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote: > > Sounds cool Rick. Good luck with it. Will it be video'ed? > > > > Peace > > > > G > Dear Gareth and everyone who inquired about me videoing this lecture and= =20 > releasing it to the public: >=20 >=20 > I have to admit that it's getting so difficult to have any income stream= =20 > as professional musician > anymore and it's all I've ever done in my adult life=2C so I'm not=20 > entirely sure I want to put this material > out for free on the web. >=20 > It would further reduce my ability to have private students which is one= =20 > of the last steady income streams > that local musicians have these days in the present economy=2C at least. >=20 > For what it's worth=2C I'm actually going to be teaching this course=2C= =20 > professionally=2C one on one > on Skype in a month or so. The good news is that I specifically tailor= =20 > the material for a persons' specific > background=2C level of rhythmic expertise (it goes DEEP when I teach an=20 > accomplished professional rhythmatist > and learning styles and learning speeds. I work really hard to make=20 > the material fit people's specific needs. >=20 > Additionally=2C I have spent 30 years of my life developing this material= =20 > and countless hundreds of hours on research=3B > literally thousands and thousands of dollars on private lessons with=20 > world master drummers and > book and CD purchases for analysis and transcription so it's seems=20 > reasonable to be able to be able to > make some of my living by teaching it. >=20 > And viz a vis the University lecture=2C they are actually paying me well= =20 > to teach it=2C so it's a gig. >=20 > So=2C because I feel dedicated to this community and try to be really fre= e=20 > with my own area of expertise > with it as frequently as I can=2C I feel a little guilty admitting all o= f=20 > this=2C but it's the world we live in. >=20 > You can get almost anything on line for free these=20 > days...........well.............almost anything. >=20 > I hope you all understand my reluctance to video and put it out. >=20 > yours=2C respectfully=2C Rick >=20 = --_d3b75c79-b9b2-457d-bd31-0e8fd49a8018_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can completely see where you're coming from Rick - good luck with it all!=

Peace

G

Gareth=2C Senti= entfx - =3B Innovative music plugins. http://sentientfx.com/

>=3B Date: Sat=2C 14 Jan 2012 01:55:53 -0800
>= =3B From: looppool@cruzio.com
>=3B To: buddhamachine@live.co.uk=3B Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: RE: OT Rick Walker= "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC=2C Friday=2C 20th
>=3B
&= gt=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:
>=3B >=3B Sounds= cool Rick. Good luck with it. Will it be video'ed?
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B Peace
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B G
>=3B Dear Gareth = and everyone who inquired about me videoing this lecture and
>=3B rel= easing it to the public:
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B I have to admit th= at it's getting so difficult to have any income stream
>=3B as profes= sional musician
>=3B anymore and it's all I've ever done in my adult l= ife=2C so I'm not
>=3B entirely sure I want to put this material
&= gt=3B out for free on the web.
>=3B
>=3B It would further reduce= my ability to have private students which is one
>=3B of the last st= eady income streams
>=3B that local musicians have these days in the p= resent economy=2C at least.
>=3B
>=3B For what it's worth=2C I'm= actually going to be teaching this course=2C
>=3B professionally=2C= one on one
>=3B on Skype in a month or so. The good news is that I = specifically tailor
>=3B the material for a persons' specific
>= =3B background=2C level of rhythmic expertise (it goes DEEP when I teach an=
>=3B accomplished professional rhythmatist
>=3B and learning st= yles and learning speeds. I work really hard to make
>=3B the mater= ial fit people's specific needs.
>=3B
>=3B Additionally=2C I hav= e spent 30 years of my life developing this material
>=3B and countle= ss hundreds of hours on research=3B
>=3B literally thousands and thous= ands of dollars on private lessons with
>=3B world master drummers an= d
>=3B book and CD purchases for analysis and transcription so it's s= eems
>=3B reasonable to be able to be able to
>=3B make some of = my living by teaching it.
>=3B
>=3B And viz a vis the University= lecture=2C they are actually paying me well
>=3B to teach it=2C so= it's a gig.
>=3B
>=3B So=2C because I feel dedicated to this co= mmunity and try to be really free
>=3B with my own area of expertise<= br>>=3B with it as frequently as I can=2C I feel a little guilty admitti= ng all of
>=3B this=2C but it's the world we live in.
>=3B
= >=3B You can get almost anything on line for free these
>=3B days..= .........well.............almost anything.
>=3B
>=3B I hope you = all understand my reluctance to video and put it out.
>=3B
>=3B = yours=2C respectfully=2C Rick
>=3B
= --_d3b75c79-b9b2-457d-bd31-0e8fd49a8018_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 15:09:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA76D183465; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=miR50PH9z78zQkjcg8KLNKLBsTcKzniDXvC7/9e8WhA=; b=hhUTLGNgx7XFlxgSjF7idftI1vCSY2I0bmzFboazE1z3ORkECiQZZBWvvcjxc76P2O cEb2m0WgCqUExMmu1ya/w3w28WUFfswTcEUFKKbwM+6TLgSTdki67e5a8In/iST01GTJ y3fJc1mN7SQX4ie5p0i10Pu/6RSzu5Q3o6oC8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:09:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64c493d98f804b67e5d5d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:09:15 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d64c493d98f804b67e5d5d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for writing. I've been using the built in looper, and have heavily contemplated switching to ableton for effects processing as well. I love my pedals though, and all of them have either midi or cv that I can sync to live. However, live needs to fix its midi out clock. M4l would provide me with a number of things I need: random sequencers, folding, non-linear clip automation, midi routing. I use bidule for midi routing, but i'd like something integrated. The m4l sale ends soon, but I don't know if I want to stick with ableton or try bitwig. Bitwig seems to be everything that ableton users have asked for, and more. Modular work environment, per note automation, different effects on each x/y axis, having effects within effects, and tons of other options. Something to think about. On Jan 14, 2012 5:07 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Hi guys, > > Just want to share my joy with the current Live version extended with > M4L. I used Live a lot about ten years ago, together with a > EDP/Repeater based rig to send chains of fast action commands to my > loopers. But then Mobius arrived on the scene and I converted my Live > MIDI Control Clips to Mobius scripts and got rid of the hardware > loopers in order to focus more on the music with the more portable > laptop based looping rig. During the years I made many attempts to > include Live again but it never worked out well because Live was so > bad at following external tempo sync - and I rather set the tempo by > playing and looping instead of using a pre fixed tempo "as click". The > Live 8 upgrade solved this issue and now Live follows Mobius (or any > hosted looper plugin's) output tempo clock without loosing it. I think > Live now is as good tempo following host app as Bidule and Mainstage, > that I also like using. In some areas better... > > The big slam was picking up the Max4Live extension! M4L opens up Live > and turns it into a modular system like Numerology and Bidule. Finally > I can get rid of the need of dedicating two expression pedals for > "swell pedal function" volume for the two audio outputs of my > instrument. This is because M4L offers a great ENVELOPE FOLLOW > function and what I did was to apply it on the audio input and target > a volume functionality later in the signal chain as the parameter to > be linked with audio signal amplitude. And then I set a quarter note > long fade-up. For plucked and tapped string instruments this means I > can get a violin-like swelling attack if playing a note from silence > but get the normal string attack if playing slurs, hammer-ons etc. And > of course turn it all off at times. Works great! But I had to try some > different solutions for the volume function parameter in the target > position. For example, if using Live's Utility plug's gain parameter I > get zipper noise. Sometimes I targeted a compressor output level > parameter and sometimes a track volume parameter, those two work well > without zipper noise. Another great use of envelope follow is to > assign audio input signal amplitude to feedback in a delay unit or > time/size of a reverb unit; instant sound cloud freezing with a new > "pocket" being created for any new note you play, making sure you > never overload such a sound cloud. I've been struggling to set up a > noise-less freeze functionality for years but for the first time I > managed to get it working to my standards. > > There's a lot more, I don't want to make this post too long. M4L > brings good live surround sound tools that I will probably use a lot > in the future. Another exceptional thing is Kapture. Created by Liine > for Plastikman this patch gives you total recall of everything in the > mixer or the devices! I currently don't use that approach though, as I > favor the traditional pedalboard context (Gordius LG) but Kapture > would be great for doing a directed show or if performing using the > mixer system as your instrument; you would then able to tweak ahead > all the way to sonic hell and keep an instant life line back to where > you started from. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --0016e6d64c493d98f804b67e5d5d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for writing. I've been using the built in looper, and have he= avily contemplated switching to ableton for effects processing as well. I l= ove my pedals though, and all of them have either midi or cv that I can syn= c to live. However, live needs to fix its midi out clock.

M4l would provide me with a number of things I need: random sequencers, = folding,=A0 non-linear clip automation, midi routing. I use bidule for midi= routing, but i'd like something integrated.

The m4l sale ends soon, but I don't know if I want to stick with abl= eton or try bitwig. Bitwig seems to be everything that ableton users have a= sked for, and more. Modular work environment, per note automation, differen= t effects on each x/y axis, having effects within effects, and tons of othe= r options. Something to think about.

On Jan 14, 2012 5:07 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Hi guys,

Just want to share my joy with the current Live version extended with
M4L. I used Live a lot about ten years ago, together with a
EDP/Repeater based rig to send chains of fast action commands to my
loopers. But then Mobius arrived on the scene and I converted my Live
MIDI Control Clips to Mobius scripts and got rid of the hardware
loopers in order to focus more on the music with the more portable
laptop based looping rig. During the years I made many attempts to
include Live again but it never worked out well because Live was so
bad at following external tempo sync - and I rather set the tempo by
playing and looping instead of using a pre fixed tempo "as click"= . The
Live 8 upgrade solved this issue and now Live follows Mobius (or any
hosted looper plugin's) output tempo clock without loosing it. I think<= br> Live now is as good tempo following host app as Bidule and Mainstage,
that I also like using. In some areas better...

The big slam was picking up the Max4Live extension! M4L opens up Live
and turns it into a modular system like Numerology and Bidule. Finally
I can get rid of the need of dedicating two expression pedals for
"swell pedal function" volume for the two audio outputs of my
instrument. This is because M4L offers a great ENVELOPE FOLLOW
function and what I did was to apply it on the audio input and target
a volume functionality later in the signal chain as the parameter to
be linked with audio signal amplitude. And then I set a quarter note
long fade-up. For plucked and tapped string instruments this means I
can get a violin-like swelling attack if playing a note from silence
but get the normal string attack if playing slurs, hammer-ons etc. And
of course turn it all off at times. Works great! But I had to try some
different solutions for the volume function parameter in the target
position. For example, if using Live's Utility plug's gain paramete= r I
get zipper noise. Sometimes I targeted a compressor output level
parameter and sometimes a track volume parameter, =A0those two work well without zipper noise. Another great use of envelope follow is to
assign audio input signal amplitude to feedback in a delay unit or
time/size of a reverb unit; instant sound cloud freezing with a new
"pocket" being created for any new note you play, making sure you=
never overload such a sound cloud. I've been struggling to set up a
noise-less freeze functionality for years but for the first time I
managed to get it working to my standards.

There's a lot more, I don't want to make this post too long. M4L brings good live surround sound tools that I will probably use a lot
in the future. Another exceptional thing is Kapture. Created by Liine
for Plastikman this patch gives you total recall of everything in the
mixer or the devices! I currently don't use that approach though, as I<= br> favor the traditional pedalboard context (Gordius LG) but Kapture
would be great for doing a directed show or if performing using the
mixer system as your instrument; you would then able to tweak ahead
all the way to sonic hell and keep an instant life line back to where
you started from.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--0016e6d64c493d98f804b67e5d5d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 17:31:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E2F818347A; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+zmt9QCBD3NehTRrTlSVlQ4hbAo3SCUxa9g7tFPDHCw=; b=cCfj2D1UzBzfLjWYJZEtJQ4fxpO6TnGv5NgRZrHkTL5q+swbcqnfWksEQytN/pvrgo jn9FnKTRjOWuD6fBoqWjlWLebWXpEGjPBw3ItiD6mw+XIyVUvVGMWJezXywNOtwahQNU Md+EOFYEBkmZ8uORmfqSstSX50zPfErwyipeE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:31:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:31:54 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > The m4l sale ends soon, January 16 is he last day for the 25 percent off. > but I don't know if I want to stick with ableton or > try bitwig. Bitwig seems to be everything that ableton users have asked for, > and more. Modular work environment, per note automation, different effects > on each x/y axis, having effects within effects, and tons of other options. > Something to think about. I see the big user base of Live and Max as an important recourse. Just check http://www.maxforlive.com/library Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 17:45:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F19C18347A; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cw6SutpCyCf/mwjDBnDX9W6VvB7SpdBIzSuFz7sdMD0=; b=mrBan5Gzt9jcO8HRPA296Pimd69w5I8aD4GUy052yk2DELWjgoCaLMR2oJ8FUmtThn BsgsLUwfg1tfH/f5RGjr0Dh5K/T6irVGjAaJjb3oRRTkGYptOpUKOCjmyeVGx/IBG1nJ TPqDnZsJ/4KxekrsMCB0EXD5azSgxKTcJeczY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:45:14 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Check out Henke's granulator, Per. It's quite fun. You can grab audio from any track and then scrub through a buffer as you like. On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: >> The m4l sale ends soon, > > January 16 is he last day for the 25 percent off. > >> but I don't know if I want to stick with ableton or >> try bitwig. Bitwig seems to be everything that ableton users have asked for, >> and more. Modular work environment, per note automation, different effects >> on each x/y axis, having effects within effects, and tons of other options. >> Something to think about. > > I see the big user base of Live and Max as an important recourse. > Just check http://www.maxforlive.com/library > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 18:07:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB7BF183486; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=oIvjc0JI5Jv1JPQ85c+qD+IVY0HLaWyxLsZvWf+Z0DU=; b=ccxZuzr3o/XGyK0Gsfxup4KYfO/ky5IQPl0LM2aeZk1LG0BC2nFe2Gy3yqdTL7L+Us MTvMKkKEDgZGjgPyzf/82hdy39Ijy7NJlsiFUy9u2laQWKl19gwwdCfEeM2SvKcP2ER8 Qx+btqd6RjJaBC2xm4e5BHtrMCtSEbTN4tR7g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 13:07:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04071437038ecf04b680dca1 Resent-Message-ID: <6AcL9C.A.rAE.3RcEPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:07:51 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04071437038ecf04b680dca1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I concur, Ricky, it's pretty great, then again, I've never seen a Henke thing I didn't love, especially since pretty much everything in the Live included machines that I love are his, lol. On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Check out Henke's granulator, Per. It's quite fun. You can grab audio > from any track and then scrub through a buffer as you like. > > --f46d04071437038ecf04b680dca1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I concur, Ricky, it's pretty great, then again, I've never seen a H= enke thing I didn't love, especially since pretty much everything in th= e Live included machines that I love are his, lol.=A0

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Check out Henke's granulator, Per. It's quite fun. You can grab aud= io
from any track and then scrub through a buffer as you like.

--f46d04071437038ecf04b680dca1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 18:16:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5FDE18348A; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wUDQ4+aV3v5uYOQtOgZ8xfsxra6/rtGaFiYbGc9+wGk=; b=qmHaxuF62UlS1O369q111qYxNDW/DFp/6swkioOdqZ2SclAprTBAYeM8pi7BMjZxvF sCFDjOinOTyBmSH/y30IyyTrrSYolCU9/GrS8vc3BGmrsWsBIYrD021/Z1jqmZCEiQSI u964nErBG/ffbqKax1iWqUNn3seYnn1NemXTA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:16:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:16:53 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Check out Henke's granulator, Per. It's quite fun. You can grab audio > from any track and then scrub through a buffer as you like. Yep, that one was in the first batch I grabbed from the shared patches :-) Just for fun, not needing it right now - all busy building my live looping setup. If I get some free time I might try to make a better version of http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-looperformer-please-steal-this/ ...but so far that's "plan B priority". Got to get my usual stuff going well in Live first. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 19:23:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFB14183478; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gY6nItgm1bGrD91vf/P7SHBgwvfmnwDHVt1X3Wgp6T8=; b=K6/O47duA4UWSZjfqLd3G+Y4fos6uIpuIL6yeJAfzw4G03rv7LI477gTxJuHLiWYHH iAjJnp4sxw8le3AnbVD+ypn70Iqu6wnrKq1uoOXIc0b9I+a7cFcvwSGKtovoHsZMjbCo 26V67rPKbbkGHdTLdgtlBQNOW43LESL0G0UwY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:23:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Some music for you - fRIDAY tHIRTEEN bLUES From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f646727f843c004b681eb62 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:23:53 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f646727f843c004b681eb62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Really nice sounding guitar! Where did you pick this up? how did you come to know of this builder? 2012/1/14 Anders Bergdahl > It's a spruce topped Soloway Single 15" (almost hollow) with 27" scale > length.. > you can check them out at www.solowayguitars.com > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:55:54 +0200 > Subject: Re: Some music for you - fRIDAY tHIRTEEN bLUES > From: kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > What guitar youre playing? > > 2012/1/13 Anders Bergdahl > > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirteen-blues > > Friday.. blue.. guitar.. octatrack.. > Da Blues... in a different way.. > Jammin all alone... da blues.. > > (all is, as usual one take, nothing pre-recorded... live looping/sampling > .. and there is some BLUES guitar here.. > More one man bandish than most of my stuff..) > > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > > -- Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f646727f843c004b681eb62 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really nice sounding guitar!
Where did you pick this up? how did you com= e to know of this builder?

2012/1/14 Ande= rs Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>



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Petri Lahtinen





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Petri Lahtinen

<= br> --e89a8f646727f843c004b681eb62-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 19:27:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C87EA18348B; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1903 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:27:43 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=IxIsfBxJdEMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:17 a=9jTVRTEhAAAA:8 a=-0quSDxRp7UUEwLnb0UA:9 a=H5hu3KfkLUywJNre71IA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: FS: Moog Moogerfooger Midi MURF From: Richard Atkinson In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:51:31 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <265B7685-A093-4518-A567-C370380F5C13@charter.net> References: ,<4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <5csRf.A.EBF.vcdEPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys... I thought I would offer this here before it heads for fleabay. Moog Moogerfooger Midi MURF, with original packaging and power supply. = Excellent condition. all MURF info you need here: http://www.moogmusic.com/products/moogerfoogers/mf-105m-midi-murf Cool pedal for pulsing, warping and rhythmic filtering madness. The = Midi capability opens up a whole other can of worms with Pattern Editing = software available from the Moog site. $290 shipped to US lower 48. =20 I can do Paypal or a cashier's check. I can also take a personal check = but will hold shipping until check clears. best regards, Rich= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 19:37:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B2F718348A; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ecf70b73-d4cd-4859-a629-14d09f84b048_" X-Originating-IP: [77.86.40.4] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:37:06 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2012 19:37:06.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6178A10:01CCD2F3] Resent-Message-ID: <6sx1oC.A.TMF.kldEPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:37:08 +0000 (UTC) --_ecf70b73-d4cd-4859-a629-14d09f84b048_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hiya matt=2C =20 ive got a channel over at youtube.com/phillwilson however there probably is= nt much where you can see me really going to town on the drums in a noticab= le way as they are only one element of a full set..however if you like i wi= ll make a quick video of the layouts..no worries =20 will mail you when its uploaded. =20 Phill Date: Fri=2C 13 Jan 2012 10:36:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd=2C mpc etc.) From: mattdavignon@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi Phillip=2C=20 Do you have any vids online of you playing your machines? I'd love to see t= hem! --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Fri=2C Jan 13=2C 2012 at 3:49 AM=2C phillip wilson wrote: >>Conventional drum machine arrangements put the bass drum in the lower left corner=2C high hats in the lower right=2C cymbals on the upper row and toms/claps=2C etc in the middle. This makes it easy to remember which sounds are rare=2C but is not necessarily the most efficient arrangement playing them live.>> I play live drum machines using Korg ESX =2C ER Flame Six in a Row and Hand= sonics=2C each have VERY diferant layouts. --------- the korgs are all in a single row=2C in which case I have the following per= sonal splits Bass Drum 1 - Snare1 - BD2 - Snare2 - Crash - Clsd HH - Open HH - Perc 1 - = Perc 2 this lets me use the right hand for the full kit...middle finger to play th= e hats open and closed=2C I can extend my pinky to grab percussion=2C and b= ass and snare are always under the thumb and index finger...if i want the s= econd kit group i just contracct the hand slightly and if i need a crash i = use the cymbal finger moving it left off the hats. ----its a nice layout fo= r me and leaves me my left hand for tweaking ( which does mean i play cross= armed but thats just how i developed=2C i cant articular with my left hand= as well. -------- the Flame is mega intuitive and has 3 groups of 4 buttons each set in a sq= uare configuration=20 i have a similar overall layout but use two hands on this. middle square is 2 sets of open and closed hats closed on the left open o= n the right left hand square is two bass drums on the upper and lower left and two snar= es right right hand square is three percussive elements laid out in a high sound rig= ht low on left format but with my trusty crash top right for easy access. ------- My Handsonic is very custom to how I play=2C it is very diferant to the "Sm= ith" way of setting up (look on youtube for his) althogh I took large insti= ration from his ideas. I have my bass drum on the center note=2C I then have closed and open hats= on the two big front pads ( this way I can hit them with the side of my ha= nd and the BD at the same time =2C I have the snare on the main upper righ= t pad (3 oclock) so my right hand can alternate between hi hat hits on the= two bottom pads and the snare top right... then around the 10 "rim" elements I have an unusual variation... I have my = crash top middle for very easy access then moving from there around the rig= ht side top=2C I alternate between a" high " element such as a clap=2C then= a "tick" element such as a shaker=2C tambourine or hi hat=2C then another = "high" then another "tick " .... wilre moreing round the left hand top I = go "low" element such as bass or floor tom=2C then "tick" and so on.... in playing this means I have my main "KIT" in the center=2C and as I improv= ise I can hit to the left with the left hand anytime I want to add a low en= d variation and slap out with my right hand to the right if I want some thi= ng to replace the snare.... and at the same time i can spread my fingers wi= de for more layers or variations or I can keep a double finger width to hi= t a "main sound " such as a clap..whilst also maintainng the 16ths on a "ti= ck " element so the hi hat rhythm is uniterupted. Thats my setup anyway.=20 = --_ecf70b73-d4cd-4859-a629-14d09f84b048_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 =3Bhiya matt=2C
 =3B
ive got a channel over at youtube.com/phillwilson however there probably is= nt much where you can see me really going to town on the drums in a noticab= le way as they are only one element of a full set..however if you like i wi= ll make a quick video of the layouts..no worries
 =3B
will mail you when its uploaded.
 =3B
Phill
Date: Fri=2C 13 Jan 2012 10:36:41 -0800
Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (m= pd=2C mpc etc.)
From: mattdavignon@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com

Hi Phillip=2C

Do you have any vids online of= you playing your machines? I'd love to see them!


--
Matt Da= vignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com<= /A>
www.riboso= memusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
Rigs! http://www.youtube= .com/user/ribosomematt


On Fri=2C Jan 13=2C 2012 at 3:49 AM=2C phillip = wilson <=3Bphi= llwilson@hotmail.com>=3B wrote:


>=3B>=3BConventional drum machine arrangemen= ts put the bass drum in the
lower left corner=2C high hats in the lower = right=2C cymbals on the upper
row and toms/claps=2C etc in the middle. T= his makes it easy to remember
which sounds are rare=2C but is not necess= arily the most efficient
arrangement playing them live.>=3B>=3B
<= BR>
I play live drum machines using Korg ESX =2C ER Flame Six in a Row= and Handsonics=2C

each have VERY diferant layouts.
---------
=
the korgs are all in a single row=2C in which case I have the following= personal splits

Bass Drum 1 - Snare1 - BD2 - Snare2 - Crash - Clsd = HH - Open HH - Perc 1 - Perc 2


this lets me use the right hand f= or the full kit...middle finger to play the hats open and closed=2C I can e= xtend my pinky to grab percussion=2C and bass and snare are always under th= e thumb and index finger...if i want the second kit group i just contracct = the hand slightly and if i need a crash i use the cymbal finger moving it l= eft off the hats. ----its a nice layout for me and leaves me my left hand f= or tweaking ( which does mean i play cross armed but thats just how i devel= oped=2C i cant articular with my left hand as well.

--------

= the Flame is mega intuitive and has 3 groups of 4 buttons =3B each set = in a square configuration
i have a similar overall layout but use two h= ands on this.

middle square is =3B 2 sets of open and closed hat= s =3B closed on the left open on the right

left hand square is t= wo bass drums on the upper and lower left and two snares right

right= hand square is three percussive elements laid out in a high sound right lo= w on left format but with my trusty crash top right for easy access.
-------

My Handsonic is very custom to how I play=2C it is very dif= erant to the "Smith" way of setting up (look on youtube for his) althogh I = took large instiration from his ideas.

I have my bass drum on the ce= nter note=2C =3B I then have closed and open hats on the two big front = pads ( this way I can hit them with the side of my hand and the =3B BD = at the same time =2C I have the snare on the main upper right pad (3 oclock= ) =3B so my right hand can alternate between hi hat hits on the two bot= tom pads and the snare top right...

then around the 10 "rim" element= s I have an unusual variation... I have my crash top middle for very easy a= ccess then moving from there around the right side top=2C I alternate betwe= en a" high " element such as a clap=2C then a "tick" element such as a shak= er=2C tambourine or hi hat=2C then another "high" then another "tick " = =3B .... wilre moreing round the left hand =3B top I go "low" element s= uch as bass or floor tom=2C then "tick" and so on....

in playing thi= s means I have my main "KIT" in the center=2C and as I improvise I can hit = to the left with the left hand anytime I want to add a low end variation an= d slap out with my right hand to the right if I want some thing to replace = the snare.... and at the same time i can spread my fingers wide for more la= yers or variations or I can =3B keep a double finger width to hit a "ma= in sound " such as a clap..whilst also maintainng the 16ths on a "tick " el= ement so the hi hat rhythm is uniterupted.



Thats my  =3B= setup anyway.



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= --_ecf70b73-d4cd-4859-a629-14d09f84b048_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 19:41:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BAF118348B; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ogkj4FvgHPi3xDdBU4UYNmdCPbfn46i9jpdYpGgaiug=; b=rYxC35z3z5QGTIr2C+bwSOGL1AEX8Vs8pptdMuh/dCRdsTAyhcZ0iv+kEcwKDijYzG rHMjQ9JduRszGcqy9SxDFjfNYRbM9RO1NW83Rmhtywc3p8073Hapa75vOnnU2EQmofac OkgbOjJ7kGbxix3dXSEDU85PdulI9eFv6R+jA= Subject: Re: FS: Moog Moogerfooger Midi MURF References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> <265B7685-A093-4518-A567-C370380F5C13@charter.net> From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <265B7685-A093-4518-A567-C370380F5C13@charter.net> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:41:11 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:41:18 +0000 (UTC) I'll take it ! Can pay via PayPal, please send info. Can execute payment thi= s next 48 hrs. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Richard Atkinson wrot= e: > Hi guys... > I thought I would offer this here before it heads for fleabay. >=20 > Moog Moogerfooger Midi MURF, with original packaging and power supply. Ex= cellent condition. >=20 > all MURF info you need here: >=20 > http://www.moogmusic.com/products/moogerfoogers/mf-105m-midi-murf >=20 > Cool pedal for pulsing, warping and rhythmic filtering madness. The Midi c= apability opens up a whole other can of worms with Pattern Editing software a= vailable from the Moog site. >=20 > $290 shipped to US lower 48. =20 >=20 > I can do Paypal or a cashier's check. I can also take a personal check bu= t will hold shipping until check clears. >=20 > best regards, >=20 > Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 20:22:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8798418348E; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+dXcNf8pYvqqF2aYGMXXKvQiGiG9o6FFMZo2gxc7pdg=; b=tQEWO+e0uru+f7zAg+pYDrr8ETGtqvc0Bgug6EyD9fBsKTKyEKMxayRKqkHVWMNFF3 mNTJAnY6CszGFmD+fMcGQJdih2AIQ34u9RCPREb4QTXvY9SD+1F4Pq5x2lLaIFvtHRFK mfw/R3QwWAoF7JzA5haW0DuYTmoglAFkczipc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F10E715.6050504@cruzio.com> References: <4F10E715.6050504@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:22:22 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Rick Walker "How Rhythm Works' free lecture at UCSC, Friday, 20th From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b5c7e264dda04b682bdf1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:22:23 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93b5c7e264dda04b682bdf1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If I was able to get the time off work, I'd love to go. Alas. Matt On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > OT but peripheral to live looping and especially arrangment: > > I've been asked to give a 'free to the public' lecture at the University > of California at Santa Cruz on the Universal Nature of Rhythm this coming > Friday, January 20th. > > I'll cover how to understand how it affects us; how to understand it > theoretically and how to use a very simple universal system that wlll help > us compose, arrange and improvise in any musical tradition on the planet. > > The lecture is free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre, UCSC > from 4:15 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. > > January 16-22, 2012 > > This Week in Music > *************************************************** > LECTURE-WORKSHOP > "How Rhythm Works" > by Rick Walker > > Friday, January 20 , 2012 > 4:15-6:00 p.m. > 131 Music Center > > Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you can use > it musically; utilizing simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and > perceptual theory. He will give simple examples of how rhythms affect the > nervous system and a universal systemic approach to understanding how to > hear and write rhythms. Then, he will demonstrate how you can use this > system in improvisation, arrangement, and composition and how this > universal system applies to different global paradigms of rhythm. > > Admission: Free > > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt --14dae93b5c7e264dda04b682bdf1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I was able to get the time off work, I'd love to go. Alas.

M= att

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Rick= Walker <looppo= ol@cruzio.com> wrote:
OT but peripheral to live looping and especi= ally arrangment:

I've been asked to give a 'free to the public' =A0lecture at th= e University of California at Santa Cruz on the Universal Nature of Rhythm = this coming Friday, January 20th.

I'll cover how to understand how it affects us; =A0how to understand it= theoretically and how to use a very simple universal system that wlll help= us compose, arrange and improvise in any musical tradition on the planet.<= br>
The lecture is free to the public and will be at 131 Music Centre, UCSC fro= m 4:15 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.

January 16-22, 2012

This Week in Music
*************************************************
LECTURE-WORKSHOP
"How Rhythm Works"
by Rick Walker

Friday, January 20 , 2012
4:15-6:00 p.m.
131 Music Center

Mr. Walker will present how rhythm works universally and how you can use it= musically; utilizing simple lay ideas from neurophysiology and perceptual = theory. He will give simple examples of how rhythms affect the nervous syst= em and a universal systemic approach to understanding how to hear and write= rhythms. Then, he will demonstrate how you can use this system in improvis= ation, arrangement, and composition and how this universal system applies t= o different global paradigms of rhythm.

Admission: Free




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Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.co= m
www.rib= osomemusic.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/riboso= mematt
--14dae93b5c7e264dda04b682bdf1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 22:25:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6BC818348D; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3GxcLKmTIdy9sjf765gQk+7t9u00gnPKfNLOKzfuaDU=; b=FCsveWksUAIbV51geHunwM+a0M8ctEPj9IBCYUMijBH8Ih6nIwccd+tNxnOVw9b+eU pgjy9F4OaQlsbi1/hevTyp1YB5yByge3jg6khxx5sIdcw3Di4NgZBIJyy1yJbKJu45SR h4FqJqN4Rw34yOMq46yeQEX8bWoIrJAhT4S0Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:25:30 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:25:32 +0000 (UTC) @Todd Henke's work is definitely worth observing :) On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> Check out Henke's granulator, Per. It's quite fun. You can grab audio >> from any track and then scrub through a buffer as you like. > > > Yep, that one was in the first batch I grabbed from the shared patches :-) > Just for fun, not needing it right now - all busy building my live > looping setup. If I get some free time I might try to make a better > version of > http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-looperformer-please-steal-this/ > ...but so far that's "plan B priority". Got to get my usual stuff > going well in Live first. > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 13:31:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF88D183454; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ed6aa1d5-ff7b-4015-936f-301b6f72bf84_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: steppophonic-looperformer, a hardware alternative.. perhaps (was Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:31:25 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2012 13:31:26.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB05E6B0:01CCD389] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:31:27 +0000 (UTC) --_ed6aa1d5-ff7b-4015-936f-301b6f72bf84_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is a really cool idea=2C i have started to use my Octatrack to do ALMO= ST what you are after. I can but triggs of a sample/loop on sequencer=2C i = can even live play and record the sequence=2C either via midi or by using t= he octatrack trigg buttons in "chromatic" mode.. Each track is monophonic B= UT of course i could have all eight tracks doing the "steppophonic" stuff a= nd thereby turning a sampled tone into a chord.. three to four track would = probably be enough for most applications leaving the other four tracks for = other fun stuff.. Of course you prefer software.. but for us hardware guys = the Octatrack might be good enough..My latest track involves some of youre = ideas.. i started out by letting one track play back a sample recorded from= an other track set to "loop" style recording. On the sequencer i but trigg= s out to form a 12 bar blues.. so i started by plying the loop track (which= also have a comb filter and a delay.. ) until i have a nice loop=2C then a= sample that loop to the recorder of the "blues" track and i have a blues p= attern.. and if I want to swap it to a new loop i can re-record whenever i = feel like it.. Then i also have a track playing another live sample back as= a baseline (half speed) a few minutes into the "song" i play this sample c= hromatically and then also record the playing so that I now have a new patt= ern on that track.. I use a similar technique in yet another track to do so= me stuttering and waterfall effects later in the "song"..=20 Here is my blues.. : http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirteen-= blues(12 bar blues pattern from start.. base line enter around 3.40.. plyin= g that chromatically at 6 minutes=2C adding anther chromatic track (samplin= g i real time.. to create a strange echo or arpegiator ) at 8.20 or so.. be= ing most evident at 10.30 or so where hit the keys "live" as well.. at 12 m= inutes I replace all samples=2C eventually i mute the "blues" track.. and j= ust go crazy(ier)..) (sorry but i REALLY like my Octatrack.. having a lot of fun :-) ..) All the best=2C Anders > Date: Sat=2C 14 Jan 2012 19:16:51 +0100 > Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live=2C now with Max4Live > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Sat=2C Jan 14=2C 2012 at 6:45 PM=2C Ricky Graham > wrote: > > Check out Henke's granulator=2C Per. It's quite fun. You can grab audio > > from any track and then scrub through a buffer as you like. >=20 >=20 > Yep=2C that one was in the first batch I grabbed from the shared patches = :-) > Just for fun=2C not needing it right now - all busy building my live > looping setup. If I get some free time I might try to make a better > version of > http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-looperformer-please-steal-this/ > ...but so far that's "plan B priority". Got to get my usual stuff > going well in Live first. >=20 > Per >=20 = --_ed6aa1d5-ff7b-4015-936f-301b6f72bf84_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That is a really cool idea=2C i have started to use my Octatrack to do ALMO= ST what you are after. I can but triggs of a sample/loop on =3Bsequence= r=2C i can even live play and record the sequence=2C either via midi or by = using the octatrack trigg buttons in "chromatic" mode.. Each track is monop= honic BUT of course i could have all eight tracks doing the "steppophonic" = stuff and thereby turning a sampled tone into a chord.. three to four track= would probably be enough for most applications leaving the other four trac= ks for other fun stuff.. =3B
Of course you prefer software.. but fo= r us hardware guys the Octatrack might be good enough..
My latest= track involves some of youre ideas.. i started out by letting one track pl= ay back a sample recorded from an other track set to "loop" style recording= . On the =3Bsequencer =3Bi but triggs out to form a 12 bar blues.. = so i started by plying the loop track (which also =3Bhave =3Ba comb= filter and a delay.. ) until i have a nice loop=2C then a sample that loop= to the recorder of the "blues" track and i have a blues pattern.. and if I= want to swap it to a new loop i can re-record whenever i feel like it..&nb= sp=3B
Then i also have a track playing another live sample back a= s a baseline (half speed) a few minutes into the "song" i play this sample = chromatically and then also record the playing so that I now have a new pat= tern on that track.. I use a similar technique in yet another track to do s= ome stuttering and waterfall effects later in the "song".. =3B

(12 = bar blues pattern from start.. base line enter around 3.40.. plying that&nb= sp=3Bchromatically =3Bat 6 minutes=2C adding anther chromatic track (sa= mpling i real time.. to create a strange echo or arpegiator ) at 8.20 or so= .. being most evident at 10.30 or so where hit the keys "live" as well.. at= 12 minutes I replace all samples=2C =3Beventually =3Bi mute the "b= lues" track.. and just go crazy(ier)..)

(sorry but= i REALLY like my Octatrack.. having a lot of fun :-) ..)


All the best=2C

Anders

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>=3B Date: Sat=2C 14 Jan 2012 1= 9:16:51 +0100
>=3B Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live=2C now with Ma= x4Live
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B On Sat=2C Jan 14=2C 2012 at 6:45 PM= =2C Ricky Graham
>=3B <=3Brickygrahammusic@gmail.com>=3B wrote:>=3B >=3B Check out Henke's granulator=2C Per. It's quite fun. You can= grab audio
>=3B >=3B from any track and then scrub through a buffer= as you like.
>=3B
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>=3B Yep=2C that one was in the fi= rst batch I grabbed from the shared patches :-)
>=3B Just for fun=2C n= ot needing it right now - all busy building my live
>=3B looping setup= . If I get some free time I might try to make a better
>=3B version of=
>=3B http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-looperformer-please-steal-= this/
>=3B ...but so far that's "plan B priority". Got to get my usual= stuff
>=3B going well in Live first.
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>=3B Per
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= --_ed6aa1d5-ff7b-4015-936f-301b6f72bf84_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 13:57:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30D9618345F; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BK5yy3j7cdHzySN69FwyBcmqx5uVq5G9crQfev53D3w=; b=sPE2YPi9jWQrIZCUjs3Hw1663KeZl3vpSnaXjE+J7OkjpN+/LIqdLVY1nNH64yRFEd 4F7LxRZBU+m3Sn55FSfy/jMdkmRRHutyh65mP7d6Bx98NsaAjKcAcXWUZugyInzUPhu9 l6mtwa7YTINMl/wH5fYezg2MQ1eokFdXmw0Xo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:57:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: steppophonic-looperformer, a hardware alternative.. perhaps (was Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the Octatrack is a typical "hybrid" piece of gear that can pull this off. I also noticed that the M4L device Ricky mentioned, Monolake's Granulator, comes with an added extension called Granulator Input that you can slap on an audio input track to snag a slice of your guitar tone for instant granulation and eventual mangling if driving it by a step sequencer M4L device. (I don't really "prefer software" by heart, just can't use gear that cost too much to bring for concerts; ie too heavy for a economy class flight). All this EDP style "substitute stuff" cutting and slicing kind of mimics sequencing. An exciting area, that isn't yet much explored by contemporary brave live loopers, is to combine instant live sampling with pattern based sequencing. Might bring and extra "overdrive gear" into driving the substitute stuff ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > That is a really cool idea, i have started to use my Octatrack to do ALMO= ST > what you are after. I can but triggs of a sample/loop on=C2=A0sequencer, = i can > even live play and record the sequence, either via midi or by using the > octatrack trigg buttons in "chromatic" mode.. Each track is monophonic BU= T > of course i could have all eight tracks doing the "steppophonic" stuff an= d > thereby turning a sampled tone into a chord.. three to four track would > probably be enough for most applications leaving the other four tracks fo= r > other fun stuff.. > Of course you prefer software.. but for us hardware guys the Octatrack mi= ght > be good enough.. > My latest track involves some of youre ideas.. i started out by letting o= ne > track play back a sample recorded from an other track set to "loop" style > recording. On the=C2=A0sequencer=C2=A0i but triggs out to form a 12 bar b= lues.. so i > started by plying the loop track (which also=C2=A0have=C2=A0a comb filter= and a > delay.. ) until i have a nice loop, then a sample that loop to the record= er > of the "blues" track and i have a blues pattern.. and if I want to swap i= t > to a new loop i can re-record whenever i feel like it.. > Then i also have a track playing another live sample back as a baseline > (half speed) a few minutes into the "song" i play this sample chromatical= ly > and then also record the playing so that I now have a new pattern on that > track.. I use a similar technique in yet another track to do some stutter= ing > and waterfall effects later in the "song".. > > Here is my blues.. > :=C2=A0http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirteen-blues > (12 bar blues pattern from start.. base line enter around 3.40.. plying > that=C2=A0chromatically=C2=A0at 6 minutes, adding anther chromatic track = (sampling i > real time.. to create a strange echo or arpegiator ) at 8.20 or so.. bein= g > most evident at 10.30 or so where hit the keys "live" as well.. at 12 > minutes I replace all samples,=C2=A0eventually=C2=A0i mute the "blues" tr= ack.. and > just go crazy(ier)..) > > (sorry but i REALLY like my Octatrack.. having a lot of fun :-) ..) > > > All the best, > > Anders > >> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:16:51 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live >> From: perboysen@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >> > Check out Henke's granulator, Per. It's quite fun. You can grab audio >> > from any track and then scrub through a buffer as you like. >> >> >> Yep, that one was in the first batch I grabbed from the shared patches := -) >> Just for fun, not needing it right now - all busy building my live >> looping setup. If I get some free time I might try to make a better >> version of >> http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-looperformer-please-steal-this/ >> ...but so far that's "plan B priority". Got to get my usual stuff >> going well in Live first. >> >> Per >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 14:39:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C929A183461; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <201201151439.q0FEd3If010085@imr-mb01.mx.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "=?utf-8?B?b3BlbmphbUBhb2wuY29t?=" Subject: =?utf-8?B?TG9uZyB0aW1l?= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:39:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_0_1326638357807" x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1326638343; bh=t0rNKTUrqrQ3GLjW2Vr09EHCDHmBX2mRNj5ZLOHu69M=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=coL7DcAm+ieKFyusKJp9nSQN1iz91PrbYTzJ0oGF2ML8f55zcQHSBamoc8QdO1wcg TL/pvTwu9aZSI6tihVl+qVmSR9A+eYGNSOJBAdO4f7p3HpTHyrYnIPnPnkFkcXB9lO MfEqZBT3+aBvUa0qXlzq22uHDkTT13BrWCpu9fhM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:344307264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c44f12e5075dff X-AOL-IP: 174.101.236.151 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:39:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_0_1326638357807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline SXQncyBiZWVuIHN1Y2ggYSBsb25nIHRpbWUgc2luY2UgSSB3YXMgbGFzdCBoZXJlLiBVcHNldCB0 byBoZWFyIGFib3V0IEtpbS4gVmVyeSBwcm91ZCB0aGF0IHlvdSBndXlzIGtlcHQgdGhlIGxpc3Qg IGdvaW5nLiBIYXBweSB0byByZWFkIGtpbSdzIHN1YnNjcmliZSBpbnRybyBlbWFpbC4gTExLRi4g ClRvZGQgUXVpbmN5CgpTZW50IGZyb20gbXkgSFRDIG9uIHRoZSBOb3cgTmV0d29yayBmcm9tIFNw cmludCE= ------=_Part_0_1326638357807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline SXQmIzM5O3MgYmVlbiBzdWNoIGEgbG9uZyB0aW1lIHNpbmNlIEkgd2FzIGxhc3QgaGVyZS4gVXBz ZXQgdG8gaGVhciBhYm91dCBLaW0uIFZlcnkgcHJvdWQgdGhhdCB5b3UgZ3V5cyBrZXB0IHRoZSBs aXN0ICZuYnNwO2dvaW5nLiBIYXBweSB0byByZWFkIGtpbSYjMzk7cyBzdWJzY3JpYmUgaW50cm8g ZW1haWwuIExMS0YuIDxicj5Ub2RkIFF1aW5jeTxicj48YnI+U2VudCBmcm9tIG15IEhUQyBvbiB0 aGUgTm93IE5ldHdvcmsgZnJvbSBTcHJpbnQhPGJyPjxicj4= ------=_Part_0_1326638357807-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 14:41:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09E4F183465; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ai1nMiRQM5mqZGuvVVRi5b3WCdltHgPtE+GOv4JrCkw=; b=e3+FJsc7XXPGDukK+6cXF0elnHRvbJoBi5MeulD2fHRBrBknKi7iH4DNkDcLbH4eJO AlDJh5hMBCZRfDyHxTbYZaJHJaRkjZJ15Utnl+mXEMReR6uqhci+6vtnvG1RYvL5k1JY 0DrGJYxE5FSLA7OBDh3UsVHhW6mp22DQyxBbU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:41:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: steppophonic-looperformer, a hardware alternative.. perhaps (was Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live) From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f646727736a4c04b6921725 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:41:22 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f646727736a4c04b6921725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This Octatrack sounds really, really interesting - maybe the next purchase when I have funds... :-D 2012/1/15 Per Boysen > Yes, the Octatrack is a typical "hybrid" piece of gear that can pull > this off. I also noticed that the M4L device Ricky mentioned, > Monolake's Granulator, comes with an added extension called Granulator > Input that you can slap on an audio input track to snag a slice of > your guitar tone for instant granulation and eventual mangling if > driving it by a step sequencer M4L device. (I don't really "prefer > software" by heart, just can't use gear that cost too much to bring > for concerts; ie too heavy for a economy class flight). > > All this EDP style "substitute stuff" cutting and slicing kind of > mimics sequencing. An exciting area, that isn't yet much explored by > contemporary brave live loopers, is to combine instant live sampling > with pattern based sequencing. Might bring and extra "overdrive gear" > into driving the substitute stuff ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Anders Bergdahl > wrote: > > That is a really cool idea, i have started to use my Octatrack to do > ALMOST > > what you are after. I can but triggs of a sample/loop on sequencer, i can > > even live play and record the sequence, either via midi or by using the > > octatrack trigg buttons in "chromatic" mode.. Each track is monophonic > BUT > > of course i could have all eight tracks doing the "steppophonic" stuff > and > > thereby turning a sampled tone into a chord.. three to four track would > > probably be enough for most applications leaving the other four tracks > for > > other fun stuff.. > > Of course you prefer software.. but for us hardware guys the Octatrack > might > > be good enough.. > > My latest track involves some of youre ideas.. i started out by letting > one > > track play back a sample recorded from an other track set to "loop" style > > recording. On the sequencer i but triggs out to form a 12 bar blues.. so > i > > started by plying the loop track (which also have a comb filter and a > > delay.. ) until i have a nice loop, then a sample that loop to the > recorder > > of the "blues" track and i have a blues pattern.. and if I want to swap > it > > to a new loop i can re-record whenever i feel like it.. > > Then i also have a track playing another live sample back as a baseline > > (half speed) a few minutes into the "song" i play this sample > chromatically > > and then also record the playing so that I now have a new pattern on that > > track.. I use a similar technique in yet another track to do some > stuttering > > and waterfall effects later in the "song".. > > > > Here is my blues.. > > : http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirteen-blues > > (12 bar blues pattern from start.. base line enter around 3.40.. plying > > that chromatically at 6 minutes, adding anther chromatic track (sampling > i > > real time.. to create a strange echo or arpegiator ) at 8.20 or so.. > being > > most evident at 10.30 or so where hit the keys "live" as well.. at 12 > > minutes I replace all samples, eventually i mute the "blues" track.. and > > just go crazy(ier)..) > > > > (sorry but i REALLY like my Octatrack.. having a lot of fun :-) ..) > > > > > > All the best, > > > > Anders > > > >> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:16:51 +0100 > >> Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live > >> From: perboysen@gmail.com > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Ricky Graham > >> wrote: > >> > Check out Henke's granulator, Per. It's quite fun. You can grab audio > >> > from any track and then scrub through a buffer as you like. > >> > >> > >> Yep, that one was in the first batch I grabbed from the shared patches > :-) > >> Just for fun, not needing it right now - all busy building my live > >> looping setup. If I get some free time I might try to make a better > >> version of > >> http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-looperformer-please-steal-this/ > >> ...but so far that's "plan B priority". Got to get my usual stuff > >> going well in Live first. > >> > >> Per > >> > > -- Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f646727736a4c04b6921725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This Octatrack sounds really, really interesting - maybe the next purchase = when I have funds... :-D

2012/1/15 Per Bo= ysen <perboysen= @gmail.com>
Yes, the Octatrack is a typical "hybrid= " piece of gear that can pull
this off. I also noticed that the M4L device Ricky mentioned,
Monolake's Granulator, comes with an added extension called Granulator<= br> Input that you can slap on an audio input track to snag a slice of
your guitar tone for instant granulation and eventual mangling if
driving it by a step sequencer M4L device. (I don't really "prefer=
software" by heart, just can't use gear that cost too much to brin= g
for concerts; ie too heavy for a economy class flight).

All this EDP style "substitute stuff" cutting and slicing kind of=
mimics sequencing. An exciting area, that isn't yet much explored by contemporary brave live loopers, is to combine instant live sampling
with pattern based sequencing. Might bring and extra "overdrive gear&q= uot;
into driving the substitute stuff ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Anders Bergdahl
<anders_e_bergdahl@hotm= ail.com> wrote:
> That is a really cool idea, i have started to use my Octatrack to do A= LMOST
> what you are after. I can but triggs of a sample/loop on=A0sequencer, = i can
> even live play and record the sequence, either via midi or by using th= e
> octatrack trigg buttons in "chromatic" mode.. Each track is = monophonic BUT
> of course i could have all eight tracks doing the "steppophonic&q= uot; stuff and
> thereby turning a sampled tone into a chord.. three to four track woul= d
> probably be enough for most applications leaving the other four tracks= for
> other fun stuff..
> Of course you prefer software.. but for us hardware guys the Octatrack= might
> be good enough..
> My latest track involves some of youre ideas.. i started out by lettin= g one
> track play back a sample recorded from an other track set to "loo= p" style
> recording. On the=A0sequencer=A0i but triggs out to form a 12 bar blue= s.. so i
> started by plying the loop track (which also=A0have=A0a comb filter an= d a
> delay.. ) until i have a nice loop, then a sample that loop to the rec= order
> of the "blues" track and i have a blues pattern.. and if I w= ant to swap it
> to a new loop i can re-record whenever i feel like it..
> Then i also have a track playing another live sample back as a baselin= e
> (half speed) a few minutes into the "song" i play this sampl= e chromatically
> and then also record the playing so that I now have a new pattern on t= hat
> track.. I use a similar technique in yet another track to do some stut= tering
> and waterfall effects later in the "song"..
>
> Here is my blues..
> :=A0http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirte= en-blues
> (12 bar blues pattern from start.. base line enter around 3.40.. plyin= g
> that=A0chromatically=A0at 6 minutes, adding anther chromatic track (sa= mpling i
> real time.. to create a strange echo or arpegiator ) at 8.20 or so.. b= eing
> most evident at 10.30 or so where hit the keys "live" as wel= l.. at 12
> minutes I replace all samples,=A0eventually=A0i mute the "blues&q= uot; track.. and
> just go crazy(ier)..)
>
> (sorry but i REALLY like my Octatrack.. having a lot of fun :-) ..) >
>
> All the best,
>
> Anders
>
>> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:16:51 +0100
>> Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live
>> From: perboysen@gmail.com
>> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Ricky Graham
>> <rickygrahammusic= @gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Check out Henke's granulator, Per. It's quite fun. Yo= u can grab audio
>> > from any track and then scrub through a buffer as you like. >>
>>
>> Yep, that one was in the first batch I grabbed from the shared pat= ches :-)
>> Just for fun, not needing it right now - all busy building my live=
>> looping setup. If I get some free time I might try to make a bette= r
>> version of
>> http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-loo= performer-please-steal-this/
>> ...but so far that's "plan B priority". Got to get m= y usual stuff
>> going well in Live first.
>>
>> Per
>>




--
Petri Lahti= nen


--e89a8f646727736a4c04b6921725-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 16:37:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B0D118345F; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=TcG2Ph919uPbHdDj1PUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Long time From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <201201151439.q0FEd3If010085@imr-mb01.mx.aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:37:15 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201201151439.q0FEd3If010085@imr-mb01.mx.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Welcome back whoever you are. On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:39 AM, openjam@aol.com wrote: > It's been such a long time since I was last here. Upset to hear about = Kim. Very proud that you guys kept the list going. Happy to read kim's = subscribe intro email. LLKF.=20 > Todd Quincy >=20 > Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 18:32:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74A4A18345E; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F131BC0.0098,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=V7CHlOeuTX8qJ/M3k4aXqqkD6LmfniLgByWCSbrUMUU= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=d5wtqH_qNFODvxTWQrsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <201201151439.q0FEd3If010085@imr-mb01.mx.aol.com> Subject: RE: Long time Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:32:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AczTo/Mv5KlYgsn0RIiGRbMsjU2OkwAEAnUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:32:34 +0000 (UTC) There's always the archives . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Ted Killian [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long time Welcome back whoever you are. On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:39 AM, openjam@aol.com wrote: > It's been such a long time since I was last here. Upset to hear about Kim. Very proud that you guys kept the list going. Happy to read kim's subscribe intro email. LLKF. > Todd Quincy > > Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 19:10:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BCEF183460; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 718815704/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.88/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.88 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCADgjE09YbRtY/2dsb2JhbAAMN6wuhAEBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAG8cIh7gxwEmk+NAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,514,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="718815704" Message-ID: <4F1324AC.3050803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:10:36 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long time References: <201201151439.q0FEd3If010085@imr-mb01.mx.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8IGmQD.A.nxB.wSyEPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > There's always the archives . . . there certainly used to be a character called "the other Todd" ..welcome back...either way andy (more likely known as "the Vortex guy" in those days) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 20:23:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF4DF18345E; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:23:30 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e6c95503-4133-497c-95f6-26e31deeccd5_" X-Originating-IP: [98.232.194.119] From: Joe Clark To: , Subject: RE: LP2: The correct power source is: Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:18:29 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4F0E7793.4000809@cruzio.com> References: ,<4F0E7793.4000809@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2012 20:18:29.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[D87C1B30:01CCD3C2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:23:30 +0000 (UTC) --_e6c95503-4133-497c-95f6-26e31deeccd5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any update's on the second batch of LP-2's? Date: Wed=2C 11 Jan 2012 22:02:59 -0800 From: looppool@cruzio.com To: mattdavignon@gmail.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2: The correct power source is: =20 =20 =20 =20 On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Matt Davignon wrote: =20 That leaves RETRIGGER ONCE and RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS as the 2 effects that I haven't figured out yet. =20 =20 RETRIGGER ONCE (as on the DL-4) =20 allows one to make a sample that they can then=2C later=2C retrigger=20 only one time. =20 This is effective when you are jamming in real time and you play a melody that you record=20 and turn off immediately and later=2C down the road=2C you can retrigge= r that melody whilst=20 you =2C say=2C reharmonize it in real time. =20 What was annoying about this particular effect in the DL-4 was if you began to get out of=20 sync with a non-synced looper or even a real band playing a groove=2C so I put in=20 RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS to take care of the problem. =20 It retriggers the loop from the beginning (the downbeat as it were) =20 and then lets the loop continue on indefinitely until you tell it to do otherwise. =20 Rick Walker =20 = --_e6c95503-4133-497c-95f6-26e31deeccd5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any update's on the second batch of LP-2's?

Date: Wed=2C 11 Jan 2012 22:02:5= 9 -0800
From: looppool@cruzio.com
To: mattdavignon@gmail.com
CC: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: LP2: The correct power s= ource is:

=20 =20 =20 =20 On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Matt Davignon wrote: 
That leaves RETRIGGER ONCE and RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS as the 2 eff=
ects
that I haven't figured out yet.

RETRIGGER ONCE (as on the DL-4) =3B
allows one to make a sample that they can then=2C later=2C retrigger only one time.

This is effective when you are jamming in real time and you play a melody that you record
and turn off immediately and later=2C down the road=2C you can retrigge= r that melody whilst
you =2C say=2C =3B reharmonize it in real time.

What was annoying about this particular effect in the DL-4 was if you began to get out of
sync with a non-synced looper or even a real band playing a groove=2C so I put in
RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS to take care of the problem.

It retriggers the loop from the beginning (the downbeat as it were)
and then lets the loop continue on indefinitely until you tell it to do otherwise.

Rick Walker

= --_e6c95503-4133-497c-95f6-26e31deeccd5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 22:24:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB2B18345D; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Innerclock Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:24:33 -0800 Message-Id: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern = MIDI clock sync?=20 http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html Phil= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 23:52:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6618418345E; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZWv1hc3Xs9OHj4YVoXWqNKRytSEh5Rezx0pKLVrU/Yw=; b=X1E0rNtEpD74I4+ix8ipDT+Yu3lqaVTo8MvADhrLuJfQ6aV0kRVZhl2+OjKVXh6tpT 9OOO/gg93g/nXKXqJSKm+t8YV5zW5UX8DvixPQcoo/MGySZUEF2l/A7VG6wW1qYKNKCl +tfTxd1H/hQg5Fbi+Ikx/8kSF2TBXVMXC3R9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:52:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <8YmVpB.A.BmE.3a2EPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:52:23 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern MIDI clock sync? > > http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html How would that be possible? I mean, the problem with MIDI clock sync is not how it's governed but that the protocol in itself isn't very accurate, meaning the slaving device will have to play catch-up all the time; either it is a bit too fast and needs to slow down or it is a bit too slow and needs to speed up. If MIDI clock doesn't sound tight enough for your application I would rather use something else, like for example MTC or Rewire. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 00:31:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B880B18345D; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 904 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:31:24 UTC X-BigFish: PS-10(zz9371I1432N98dKzz1202hzz8275bhc704dhz2fhc1ahc1bh2a8h668h839h944h62h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.55.61.13;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0404HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail25-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.55.61.13 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.55.61.13; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=CH1PRD0404HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Innerclock Thread-Topic: Innerclock Thread-Index: AQHM09R5CFjyX1P5fEGcmfI0Tvt7w5YOGciAgAAA8DM= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:16:15 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7124BDE14@CH1PRD0404MB134.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.168.33] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:31:24 +0000 (UTC) It's hard to tell because this is one of the most poorly designed web sites= I've ever seen. But from what I was able to read within the sea of distra= cting graphics it's a combination of a plugin and a hardware device that ca= n be used to generate a much more stable MIDI clock than can be done in sof= tware. I think rather than using a timer in the computer and sending MIDI = through the computer, you send sync pulses as an audio signal from the plug= in out through the audio device, the hardware then monitors this signal and= generates MIDI clocks. Besides avoiding the jittery environment within th= e computer this also allows the MIDI clocks to be generated with sample acc= urate positioning since the sync pulses are interleaved with the audio you = hear. I'm guessing you need a multichannel audio device, and you dedicate = one channel for the sync pulses and use the others for audible signals. I = would imagine this would be useful for anyone that wanted to combine tracks= in a DAW with patterns played by external hardware devices that follow MID= I clocks.=0A= =0A= There may be more but it took me 15 minutes just to get that far. This is = a textbook example of how NOT=0A= to design web sites that market a product. =0A= =0A= Jeff=0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Per Boysen [perboysen@gmail.com]=0A= Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:52 PM=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Subject: Re: Innerclock=0A= =0A= On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phil Clevenger=0A= wrote:=0A= > Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern MID= I clock sync?=0A= >=0A= > http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html=0A= =0A= =0A= How would that be possible? I mean, the problem with MIDI clock sync=0A= is not how it's governed but that the protocol in itself isn't very=0A= accurate, meaning the slaving device will have to play catch-up all=0A= the time; either it is a bit too fast and needs to slow down or it is=0A= a bit too slow and needs to speed up. If MIDI clock doesn't sound=0A= tight enough for your application I would rather use something else,=0A= like for example MTC or Rewire.=0A= =0A= Greetings from Sweden=0A= =0A= Per Boysen=0A= www.perboysen.com=0A= http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A= =0A= =0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 01:04:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3795718345B; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 01:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=u2SHRaAhw3TEyvBixm5PeuVBcUAe+zgZ8Bf/zBUAlSQ=; b=Ij+0pOYY1Iarq4gBA0wMwkOVMy/9TpY2IoHG8h1lRZ4+oAs4Gl8JMVqinoH+iWF/fm ctfKiIojX4q+JMcZpYmdmqfungYRlo0TixoT8qW1KHXUKY8kIwO70pzlvKMYrnefyHzi Tv7xVPPl+jViDifiLaZHHKZC9r8U0SHgXSXhE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:04:39 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QvLP0VFxekVlT-1DjGCptlWywl4 Message-ID: Subject: Going battery powered? From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15a6dd8ac74d04b69accdc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 01:04:41 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15a6dd8ac74d04b69accdc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, Loopies. I've been wanting to do street gigs for a while now. I've completely stripped my setup down, do all my looping in the computer, and I think it's in principle achievable, but I can't seem to quite find the right setup to put it together. The computer has its own batteries, the interface runs off the computer. However, I have one 9V unit (a Yamaha VL-70) and of course I'd need amplification. The idea thing would be a battery-powered amp that also had a 9V output (invertible) and that was rechargeable on 110V/220V. I've searched but unfortunately these terms are all common in amp descriptions, appropriate or not. I'm also wondering whether I couldn't rig together something from off-the-rack electronics parts... I get a "big battery", step its power to 9V and whatever an amp uses internally, and then get rid of the amp's internal transformer.... my knowledge of practical electronics is small but I speak the language and know people who could put things together for me... Thoughts? By the way, I'm gigging quite a bit more these days, drop me a line if you aren't on my mailing list and would like to be. -- /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --047d7b15a6dd8ac74d04b69accdc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Loopies.

I've been wanting to do street gigs = for a while now. =C2=A0

I've completely stripp= ed my setup down, do all my looping in the computer, and I think it's i= n principle achievable, but I can't seem to quite find the right setup = to put it together. =C2=A0


The computer has its own batteries, the = interface runs off the computer. =C2=A0However, I have one 9V unit (a Yamah= a VL-70) and of course I'd need amplification.


The idea thing would be a battery-powered amp that also had = a 9V output (invertible) and that was rechargeable on 110V/220V. =C2=A0I= 9;ve searched but unfortunately these terms are all common in amp descripti= ons, appropriate or not.


I'm also won= dering whether I couldn't rig together something from off-the-rack elec= tronics parts... I get a "big battery", step its power to 9V and = whatever an amp uses internally, and then get rid of the amp's internal= transformer.... my knowledge of practical electronics is small but I speak= the language and know people who could put things together for me...


Thoughts?


<= /div>
By the way, I'm gigging quite a bit more these days, drop me = a line if you aren't on my mailing list and would like to be.


--
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 /t

http://radio.swirly.com - art music ra= dio 24/7 366/1000
--047d7b15a6dd8ac74d04b69accdc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 07:45:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D795118345B; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7124BDE14@CH1PRD0404MB134.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:45:25 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <48EB82B9-FC56-4A5A-9043-D7531674C635@gmail.com> References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com>, <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7124BDE14@CH1PRD0404MB134.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Per, My application is fairly simple... trying to slave my LP1 to Ableton's = MIDI clock. Always starts well but drifts to unacceptability after 100 = bars or so. I would be as happy to find a 'meta' clock that could feed = Ableton and LP1 and whatever else in parallel... but not sure whether = the fault lies with Ableton or LP1 anyway... Jeff, You are right that website is almost un-navigable... It does have an = oldschool Internet Explorer, gif-background vibe :) But... if poorly = designed websites were the determining factor there are many solutions I = would never have found. Anyway, I'm not averse to trying new stuff but = at the prices they are charging for their gear, it better make me = sandwiches while I play. Without a ringing endorsement from you folks, I = suspect I'll leave it alone :) Here's another audio-based solution: = http://m.matrixsynth.com/2010/04/rv0-sync-unit-dc.html=20 But this moves into unfamiliar territory for me and I hesitate to invite = another devil to the dance... Phil On Jan 15, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > It's hard to tell because this is one of the most poorly designed web = sites I've ever seen. But from what I was able to read within the sea = of distracting graphics it's a combination of a plugin and a hardware = device that can be used to generate a much more stable MIDI clock than = can be done in software. I think rather than using a timer in the = computer and sending MIDI through the computer, you send sync pulses as = an audio signal from the plugin out through the audio device, the = hardware then monitors this signal and generates MIDI clocks. Besides = avoiding the jittery environment within the computer this also allows = the MIDI clocks to be generated with sample accurate positioning since = the sync pulses are interleaved with the audio you hear. I'm guessing = you need a multichannel audio device, and you dedicate one channel for = the sync pulses and use the others for audible signals. I would imagine = this would be useful for anyone that wanted to combine tracks in a DAW = with patterns played by external hardware devices that follow MIDI = clocks. >=20 > There may be more but it took me 15 minutes just to get that far. = This is a textbook example of how NOT > to design web sites that market a product. =20 >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________ > From: Per Boysen [perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Innerclock >=20 > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern = MIDI clock sync? >>=20 >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >=20 >=20 > How would that be possible? I mean, the problem with MIDI clock sync > is not how it's governed but that the protocol in itself isn't very > accurate, meaning the slaving device will have to play catch-up all > the time; either it is a bit too fast and needs to slow down or it is > a bit too slow and needs to speed up. If MIDI clock doesn't sound > tight enough for your application I would rather use something else, > like for example MTC or Rewire. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 07:58:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D20B18345F; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7124BDE14@CH1PRD0404MB134.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:58:51 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <13BB5188-830B-45AA-8E2F-A6EEA891CAB3@gmail.com> References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com>, <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7124BDE14@CH1PRD0404MB134.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Some pretty compelling testimonials, and explanatory words from = Innerclock themselves, on this page... http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Our%20Friends.html Phil On Jan 15, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > It's hard to tell because this is one of the most poorly designed web = sites I've ever seen. But from what I was able to read within the sea = of distracting graphics it's a combination of a plugin and a hardware = device that can be used to generate a much more stable MIDI clock than = can be done in software. I think rather than using a timer in the = computer and sending MIDI through the computer, you send sync pulses as = an audio signal from the plugin out through the audio device, the = hardware then monitors this signal and generates MIDI clocks. Besides = avoiding the jittery environment within the computer this also allows = the MIDI clocks to be generated with sample accurate positioning since = the sync pulses are interleaved with the audio you hear. I'm guessing = you need a multichannel audio device, and you dedicate one channel for = the sync pulses and use the others for audible signals. I would imagine = this would be useful for anyone that wanted to combine tracks in a DAW = with patterns played by external hardware devices that follow MIDI = clocks. >=20 > There may be more but it took me 15 minutes just to get that far. = This is a textbook example of how NOT > to design web sites that market a product. =20 >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________ > From: Per Boysen [perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Innerclock >=20 > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern = MIDI clock sync? >>=20 >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >=20 >=20 > How would that be possible? I mean, the problem with MIDI clock sync > is not how it's governed but that the protocol in itself isn't very > accurate, meaning the slaving device will have to play catch-up all > the time; either it is a bit too fast and needs to slow down or it is > a bit too slow and needs to speed up. If MIDI clock doesn't sound > tight enough for your application I would rather use something else, > like for example MTC or Rewire. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 11:08:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9341E18345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AM1RFtirxp9/BKGLef6N5h4xRPfYO764a8dRAgpRKuA=; b=GnEdTn7NpLgALwl/Gsax6fnJN5WHbNE/ivOH80ddlyegMHOEFSd++spYkVqjRTOhsd Zd+3h/VizatyKRMKSYBg8Uw9RCbZDeSK42FGIckKj+NXKm0J/5sxkKqXqpdFSbOJ8e0P Df0tlGnH0TANx3sxliok7tT0Q3OLjYbSI8zwk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7124BDE14@CH1PRD0404MB134.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7124BDE14@CH1PRD0404MB134.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:08:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:08:47 +0000 (UTC) "MIDI Clock" is one protocol for synchronization. Another standardl is MIDI Time Code, MTC, known to be better and more often used in studio environments. "Outside the box" we have analog systems like CV, analog audio pulses sent through a cable (once favored by Vince Clark in sequencing for its "way better timing than MIDI". That's because MIDI is a linear protocol, meaning that if you send several notes played at the same time they will not arrive to the playback unit at the same time and this causes some other issues to deal with... the we can leave out for now). When synchronizing analog gear or to an absolute timeline, like for example a tape machine or film, the classic way is to use SMTPE (Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers). It's simply a time code that measures absolute time and you copy this code to the master media (may it be a music recording or a film/video) and then you apply a piece of gear that listens to this time code and translates it to a musical time to be followed by the slaving devices. Maybe this Innerlock Systems specialize in the translating stage? I have to admit that I spontaneously gave up on their web site and never invested the fifteen minutes for picking up a clue... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Jeff Larson wr= ote: > It's hard to tell because this is one of the most poorly designed web sit= es I've ever seen. =C2=A0But from what I was able to read within the sea of= distracting graphics it's a combination of a plugin and a hardware device = that can be used to generate a much more stable MIDI clock than can be done= in software. =C2=A0I think rather than using a timer in the computer and s= ending MIDI through the computer, you send sync pulses as an audio signal f= rom the plugin out through the audio device, the hardware then monitors thi= s signal and generates MIDI clocks. =C2=A0Besides avoiding the jittery envi= ronment within the computer this also allows the MIDI clocks to be generate= d with sample accurate positioning since the sync pulses are interleaved wi= th the audio you hear. =C2=A0I'm guessing you need a multichannel audio dev= ice, and you dedicate one channel for the sync pulses and use the others fo= r audible signals. =C2=A0I would imagine this would be useful for anyone th= at wanted to combine tracks in a DAW with patterns played by external hardw= are devices that follow MIDI clocks. > > There may be more but it took me 15 minutes just to get that far. =C2=A0T= his is a textbook example of how NOT > to design web sites that market a product. > > Jeff > > > ________________________________________ > From: Per Boysen [perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Innerclock > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern MI= DI clock sync? >> >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html > > > How would that be possible? I mean, the problem with MIDI clock sync > is not how it's governed but that the protocol in itself isn't very > accurate, meaning the slaving device will have to play catch-up all > the time; either it is a bit too fast and needs to slow down or it is > a bit too slow and needs to speed up. If MIDI clock doesn't sound > tight enough for your application I would rather use something else, > like for example MTC or Rewire. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 12:04:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E467918345F; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LsPbe7YfLikfmv5bqi4ODRkceTLRxD2qD9JxgM0PT6s=; b=qCNtX9I70TiqDjePzu4i+aEEYMHxqu4IJwAtlYrDqrK2bFWcgx6qYBXbdrrxqHGoZ6 mipK4qc2XXYUanXo9F58Hckuc+sneQKiBW4/ClzZdPH7d5ohutY+cSuiGJb78zDlNBOB YxMAB5I96w/htSd/RsxR+/GEv8QoVQLJ37qV0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: expertsleepers@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7124BDE14@CH1PRD0404MB134.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:03:57 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AifTKVH7wPmbCmTwma3SN4k7wwY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <1uh_nC.A.tzC.vIBFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm fairly well informed on all this, as I make a competing product :) First, some general facts - tight timing *is* possible with MIDI clock. You just have to send the clock messages at tightly timed intervals, *and* you can't be using the MIDI connection to send other data (e.g. notes) at the same time, *and* the receiving device has to respond in an appropriately timely manner. The innerclock device works by sending an audio pulse via a regular audio interface (which *is* tightly in time, down to audio sample precision). In their hardware this pulse then triggers the generation of a MIDI clock message. It works well enough. It is, however, phenomenally expensive. I make a number of products designed primarly for interfacing computers to analogue (typically modular) synths, also using the approach of going out via an audio connection. I also provide a solution for sending absolutely tight MIDI clock, though my approach is actually use the computer audio directly to generate the clock signal, rather than using an audio-to-digital trigger. Check out this video, which shows the resulting MIDI clock compared to that from a standard USB MIDI interface. The difference is night and day: http://vimeo.com/30913010 Plenty of discussion on my forum: http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3D35 cheers, os. On 16 January 2012 11:08, Per Boysen wrote: > "MIDI Clock" is one protocol for synchronization. Another standardl is > MIDI Time Code, MTC, known to be better and more often used in studio > environments. "Outside the box" we have analog systems like CV, analog > audio pulses sent through a cable (once favored by Vince Clark in > sequencing for its "way better timing than MIDI". That's because MIDI > is a linear protocol, meaning that if you send several notes played at > the same time they will not arrive to the playback unit at the same > time and this causes some other issues to deal with... the we can > leave out for now). When synchronizing analog gear or to an absolute > timeline, like for example a tape machine or film, the classic way is > to use SMTPE (Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers). > It's simply a time code that measures absolute time and you copy this > code to the master media (may it be a music recording or a film/video) > and then you apply a piece of gear that listens to this time code and > translates it to a musical time to be followed by the slaving devices. > > Maybe this Innerlock Systems specialize in the translating stage? I > have to admit that I spontaneously gave up on their web site and never > invested the fifteen minutes for picking up a clue... > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Jeff Larson = wrote: >> It's hard to tell because this is one of the most poorly designed web si= tes I've ever seen. =A0But from what I was able to read within the sea of d= istracting graphics it's a combination of a plugin and a hardware device th= at can be used to generate a much more stable MIDI clock than can be done i= n software. =A0I think rather than using a timer in the computer and sendin= g MIDI through the computer, you send sync pulses as an audio signal from t= he plugin out through the audio device, the hardware then monitors this sig= nal and generates MIDI clocks. =A0Besides avoiding the jittery environment = within the computer this also allows the MIDI clocks to be generated with s= ample accurate positioning since the sync pulses are interleaved with the a= udio you hear. =A0I'm guessing you need a multichannel audio device, and yo= u dedicate one channel for the sync pulses and use the others for audible s= ignals. =A0I would imagine this would be useful for anyone that wanted to c= ombine tracks in a DAW with patterns played by external hardware devices th= at follow MIDI clocks. >> >> There may be more but it took me 15 minutes just to get that far. =A0Thi= s is a textbook example of how NOT >> to design web sites that market a product. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Per Boysen [perboysen@gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:52 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Innerclock >> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern M= IDI clock sync? >>> >>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >> >> >> How would that be possible? I mean, the problem with MIDI clock sync >> is not how it's governed but that the protocol in itself isn't very >> accurate, meaning the slaving device will have to play catch-up all >> the time; either it is a bit too fast and needs to slow down or it is >> a bit too slow and needs to speed up. If MIDI clock doesn't sound >> tight enough for your application I would rather use something else, >> like for example MTC or Rewire. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> > --=20 os@collective.co.uk http://twitter.com/expertsleepers http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 12:41:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FA4918345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 04:41:06 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Swirly CC: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Going battery powered? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:41:15 +0000 (UTC) I put together a portable rig, attached to a marching percussion, snare drum assembly back in 2003 or 2004 at the looping festival. It had a Line 6 DL-4 (6 'C' batteries), a battery powered micro mixer...........a battery powered headset microphone and a battery powered amplifier (currently a little 5 watt VOX guitar amplifier that sits in side of a small back pack). I also had a Boss Intellishifter (9 volt). Anyway, I'm about to reproduce this setup except that this time I will use a Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper (runs on a 9 volt battery) in the place of the DL-4. All of this worked well, though the guitar amplifier is NOT full spectrum. Who knows of a very small and portable, fulll spectrum P.A. system that will sound better but be as light as a VOX 5 watt, battery powered guitar amplifier? Rick Walker On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Tom Swirly wrote: > Hello, Loopies. > > I've been wanting to do street gigs for a while now. > > I've completely stripped my setup down, do all my looping in the > computer, and I think it's in principle achievable, but I can't seem > to quite find the right setup to put it together. > > > The computer has its own batteries, the interface runs off the > computer. However, I have one 9V unit (a Yamaha VL-70) and of course > I'd need amplification. > > > The idea thing would be a battery-powered amp that also had a 9V > output (invertible) and that was rechargeable on 110V/220V. I've > searched but unfortunately these terms are all common in amp > descriptions, appropriate or not. > > > I'm also wondering whether I couldn't rig together something from > off-the-rack electronics parts... I get a "big battery", step its > power to 9V and whatever an amp uses internally, and then get rid of > the amp's internal transformer.... my knowledge of practical > electronics is small but I speak the language and know people who > could put things together for me... > > > Thoughts? > > > By the way, I'm gigging quite a bit more these days, drop me a line if > you aren't on my mailing list and would like to be. > > > -- > /t > > http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 13:02:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D00A18345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 719029895/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.88/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.88 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBADkfFE9YbRtY/2dsb2JhbAAMNqwshAIBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGHfrUxiSsBAQUDBA0FCwQCBAEFAwIMEQMJAQEGAQUsAQIBAQUDAQEBAQILAgIBAQIIAhAEAQgLAQcEGQ0TCwEIBAQDGwKCP4McBJpPjQM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,518,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="719029895" Message-ID: <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:02:52 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Innerclock References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:02:54 +0000 (UTC) I like the test method they describe here. http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all midi interfaces). Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page. With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error of 10mS for midi clocks. I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following, (...yet). ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting. However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter might through off the LP1. Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted. I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a certain window of error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob to make that window larger. It might be worth experimenting with a different host to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance. Or try a different midi interface. andy (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now Os has chipped in it's all over. ) Phil Clevenger wrote: > Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern MIDI clock sync? > > http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html > > Phil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 14:09:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98ED118345D; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [76.67.25.121] X-Originating-Email: [etsguertin@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: From: etienne guertin To: References: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Going battery powered? Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:09:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2012 14:09:31.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[774F7B90:01CCD458] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:09:34 +0000 (UTC) roland AC-33 is very nice sounding, not sure how it compares in size and weight ets----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "Tom Swirly" Cc: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Going battery powered? >I put together a portable rig, attached to a marching percussion, snare >drum assembly > back in 2003 or 2004 at the looping festival. > > It had a Line 6 DL-4 (6 'C' batteries), > a battery powered micro mixer...........a battery powered headset > microphone > and a battery powered amplifier (currently a little 5 watt VOX guitar > amplifier that sits in > side of a small back pack). > > I also had a Boss Intellishifter (9 volt). > > Anyway, I'm about to reproduce this setup > except that this time I will use a Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper (runs on > a 9 volt battery) > in the place of the DL-4. > > All of this worked well, though the guitar amplifier is NOT full spectrum. > > Who knows of a very small and portable, fulll spectrum P.A. system that > will > sound better but be as light as a VOX 5 watt, battery powered guitar > amplifier? > > > Rick Walker > > > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Tom Swirly wrote: >> Hello, Loopies. >> >> I've been wanting to do street gigs for a while now. >> >> I've completely stripped my setup down, do all my looping in the >> computer, and I think it's in principle achievable, but I can't seem to >> quite find the right setup to put it together. >> >> >> The computer has its own batteries, the interface runs off the computer. >> However, I have one 9V unit (a Yamaha VL-70) and of course I'd need >> amplification. >> >> >> The idea thing would be a battery-powered amp that also had a 9V output >> (invertible) and that was rechargeable on 110V/220V. I've searched but >> unfortunately these terms are all common in amp descriptions, appropriate >> or not. >> >> >> I'm also wondering whether I couldn't rig together something from >> off-the-rack electronics parts... I get a "big battery", step its power >> to 9V and whatever an amp uses internally, and then get rid of the amp's >> internal transformer.... my knowledge of practical electronics is small >> but I speak the language and know people who could put things together >> for me... >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> By the way, I'm gigging quite a bit more these days, drop me a line if >> you aren't on my mailing list and would like to be. >> >> >> -- >> /t >> >> http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 14:10:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E97018345D; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 517 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:10:38 UTC Message-Id: From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-522961229 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Going battery powered? Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:01:52 +0900 References: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa04b; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:01:52 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: <1fStPB.A.EbE.f_CFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:10:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-522961229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've had success with a car amplifier, Bose 101 speakers and 12 volt battery. Of course reproducing the spectrum is more down to the speakers than anything else, me thinks. On Jan 16, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I put together a portable rig, attached to a marching percussion, > snare drum assembly > back in 2003 or 2004 at the looping festival. > > It had a Line 6 DL-4 (6 'C' batteries), > a battery powered micro mixer...........a battery powered headset > microphone > and a battery powered amplifier (currently a little 5 watt VOX > guitar amplifier that sits in > side of a small back pack). > > I also had a Boss Intellishifter (9 volt). > > Anyway, I'm about to reproduce this setup > except that this time I will use a Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper > (runs on a 9 volt battery) > in the place of the DL-4. > > All of this worked well, though the guitar amplifier is NOT full > spectrum. > > Who knows of a very small and portable, fulll spectrum P.A. system > that will > sound better but be as light as a VOX 5 watt, battery powered guitar > amplifier? > > > Rick Walker > > > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Tom Swirly wrote: >> Hello, Loopies. >> >> I've been wanting to do street gigs for a while now. >> >> I've completely stripped my setup down, do all my looping in the >> computer, and I think it's in principle achievable, but I can't >> seem to quite find the right setup to put it together. >> >> >> The computer has its own batteries, the interface runs off the >> computer. However, I have one 9V unit (a Yamaha VL-70) and of >> course I'd need amplification. >> >> >> The idea thing would be a battery-powered amp that also had a 9V >> output (invertible) and that was rechargeable on 110V/220V. I've >> searched but unfortunately these terms are all common in amp >> descriptions, appropriate or not. >> >> >> I'm also wondering whether I couldn't rig together something from >> off-the-rack electronics parts... I get a "big battery", step its >> power to 9V and whatever an amp uses internally, and then get rid >> of the amp's internal transformer.... my knowledge of practical >> electronics is small but I speak the language and know people who >> could put things together for me... >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> By the way, I'm gigging quite a bit more these days, drop me a line >> if you aren't on my mailing list and would like to be. >> >> >> -- >> /t >> >> http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 > Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-1-522961229 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had success with a car = amplifier, Bose 101 speakers and 12 volt battery. Of course reproducing = the spectrum is more down to the speakers than anything else, me = thinks.

On Jan 16, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Rick Walker = wrote:

I put together a portable rig,  attached to a = marching percussion, snare drum assembly
back in 2003 or 2004 at the = looping festival.

It had a Line 6 DL-4 (6 'C' batteries),
a = battery powered micro mixer...........a battery powered headset = microphone
and a battery powered amplifier  (currently a little = 5 watt VOX guitar amplifier that sits in
side of a small back = pack).

I also had a Boss Intellishifter (9 volt).

Anyway, =  I'm about to reproduce this setup
except that this time I will = use a Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper (runs on a 9 volt battery)
in the = place of the DL-4.

All of this worked well, though the guitar = amplifier is NOT full spectrum.

Who knows of a very small and = portable, fulll spectrum P.A. system that will
sound better but be as = light as a VOX 5 watt, battery powered guitar amplifier?


Rick = Walker




On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Tom Swirly = wrote:
Hello, = Loopies.

I've been = wanting to do street gigs for a while now.

I've completely = stripped my setup down, do all my looping in the computer, and I think = it's in principle achievable, but I can't seem to quite find the right = setup to put it together.


The computer = has its own batteries, the interface runs off the computer. =  However, I have one 9V unit (a Yamaha VL-70) and of course I'd = need amplification.


The idea thing = would be a battery-powered amp that also had a 9V output (invertible) = and that was rechargeable on 110V/220V.  I've searched but = unfortunately these terms are all common in amp descriptions, = appropriate or not.


I'm also = wondering whether I couldn't rig together something from off-the-rack = electronics parts... I get a "big battery", step its power to 9V and = whatever an amp uses internally, and then get rid of the amp's internal = transformer.... my knowledge of practical electronics is small but I = speak the language and know people who could put things together for = me...


Thoughts?


By the way, I'm = gigging quite a bit more these days, drop me a line if you aren't on my = mailing list and would like to be.


-- =
=     /t

http://radio.swirly.com - art music = radio 24/7 = 366/1000


= --Apple-Mail-1-522961229-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 15:15:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F25AB18345D; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_58e679a3-2d8b-4679-8b57-c13c7d5da67f_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Re: Going battery powered Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:15:43 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2012 15:15:44.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[B76CD160:01CCD461] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:15:44 +0000 (UTC) --_58e679a3-2d8b-4679-8b57-c13c7d5da67f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phil Jones briefcase bass amps are amazing=2C but not light=2C not cheap=2C= and not 9v(12v). Still if put in a wagon they are mobile=2C and are listed at 100watt=2C ama= zing. A 9v regulator could be used for powering boxes. Likely not as mobile= as you are looking for. = --_58e679a3-2d8b-4679-8b57-c13c7d5da67f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Phil Jones briefcase bass amps a= re amazing=2C but not light=2C not cheap=2C and not 9v(12v).
Still if pu= t in a wagon they are mobile=2C and are listed at 100watt=2C amazing. A 9v = regulator could be used for powering boxes. Likely not as mobile as you are= looking for.
= --_58e679a3-2d8b-4679-8b57-c13c7d5da67f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 15:32:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77EF718345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eJ6K6sTPshSXx+fmy/AIJJ/qBV62uCqUOAG92Wz6hiw=; b=i7D5NDsCB3bxUlk5pfSrSrSHknNW9wiZAqIn/bhZgWGUaqGPL4N4zxk+8zQvhLsuOD bzE26vj+Tbyu2aVFb0fBgkBbti6KhRdRJ2jCuyhcjwfQVWO+t/H3qdsQTGi5aMMEwSHR WGy3r8IZUkLnE4KGfLnRbOLtFoMaLNz6Zgiwc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: expertsleepers@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:32:24 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WNr2ok6QKn5unDaH7JRF7NhWidM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5Q5v8C.A.4fF.JMEFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock. os. On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler wrote: > I like the test method they describe here. > > http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html > > I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all > midi interfaces). > > Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page. > With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error > of 10mS for midi clocks. > > > > I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following, > (...yet). > > ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks > the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting. > However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter might > through off the LP1. > Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted. > > I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a certain > window of > error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob > to make that window larger. > > > It might be worth experimenting with a different host > to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance. > > Or try a different midi interface. > > > > andy > (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now Os has > chipped in it's all over. ) > > > Phil Clevenger wrote: >> >> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern MIDI >> clock sync? >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >> >> Phil >> > -- os@collective.co.uk http://twitter.com/expertsleepers http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 15:52:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8062418345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Q12qWVSr3PSiSPo3HjSBgoqqhYrhRU+5oKDlxl9MBHM=; b=vmEUNrYfe2FQSCBySdgo8L5TlJHeJx8SWDgPa1LcTL/9KtwEPSHMmrIioELE20C1ZC QKidKxSq5q6A0XOFDDhqKoWBYXbOTuqqIQJKpNBFrKu9ypSYQ8cq8rT3vcUK2VxDBzQF PiOM/56wJECy+3pUbyoslPiO3NShmIcvGpTas= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:52:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I do: 1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Clock goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box. 2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the IAC Bus port. 3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too, used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical either. 4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both Live's effects and the iDrum beats. Per On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os wrote: > Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock. > > > os. > > > On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler wrote: >> I like the test method they describe here. >> >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html >> >> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >> midi interfaces). >> >> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page. >> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error >> of 10mS for midi clocks. >> >> >> >> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following, >> (...yet). >> >> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks >> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting. >> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter might >> through off the LP1. >> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted. >> >> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a certain >> window of >> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob >> to make that window larger. >> >> >> It might be worth experimenting with a different host >> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance. >> >> Or try a different midi interface. >> >> >> >> andy >> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now Os has >> chipped in it's all over. ) >> >> >> Phil Clevenger wrote: >>> >>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern MIDI >>> clock sync? >>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >>> >>> Phil >>> >> > > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 16:37:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91ADA183452; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=S8wcVrwqE8VHd5MbBrJ3bCTHphdmGMnQ6t2O1TIFB+U=; b=oJofNzWfb8ckmB90GQ0Op+SRfGxV4mYsCzKFBwq9iS4yduytT+K+JEjvEcRwqrf75P QbrzeP0bWy7f6pVWVtv+u5PYjmT4fodzPhGICjfBGQqBXjZlrKw4JK6X/5UetbH5i/N5 6rQV2qXLwokXEsh27OojTkiiyVjRSWBG+Uu+M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:37:04 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VFZS3_ccLT4ZxA2Ls4N1_idHr0M Message-ID: Subject: Re: Going battery powered? From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15a6dd178a5304b6a7d3aa Resent-Message-ID: <3Pl4P.A.YqG.xIFFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:37:05 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15a6dd178a5304b6a7d3aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ooh, thanks for the ideas. The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to do the 9V - perhaps I could have a separate battery for that? --047d7b15a6dd178a5304b6a7d3aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Ooh, thanks for the ideas.

The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to do the 9V - perhaps I could have a separate battery for that?
--047d7b15a6dd178a5304b6a7d3aa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 16:50:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB7FD18345D; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=g2nXFsdPAxqQwi3fzSBwBj+XNIgjOr7nopbsxZxCWLY=; b=ZUXUdylTqFEkbz1QTqsc/ADwazNLJNMWP4wKrr10Kb6wOFKaoJCZZXKSP4r+LbZIuO JJn/g0IcY0P1dBw/abymbYuypW7H2BEE7RqihnP4ObabGk76plMx//853iRI7kKwxS7d lmOjCYHkAvbXT59q/dnbLQyvpI6+Gdi0z+ay0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:50:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64b9c934f8b04b6a804cc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:50:55 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d64b9c934f8b04b6a804cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a bit off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. I get about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem. I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. I really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff. On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my > setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I > do: > > 1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to > OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Clock > goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box. > > 2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the > IAC Bus port. > > 3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. > Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect > I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too, > used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical > either. > > 4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed > in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin > that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of > patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a > bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not > possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first > few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly > incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU > sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going > Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both > Live's effects and the iDrum beats. > > Per > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os wrote: > > Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock. > > > > > > os. > > > > > > On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler wrote: > >> I like the test method they describe here. > >> > >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html > >> > >> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all > >> midi interfaces). > >> > >> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page. > >> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error > >> of 10mS for midi clocks. > >> > >> > >> > >> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following, > >> (...yet). > >> > >> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks > >> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting. > >> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter might > >> through off the LP1. > >> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted. > >> > >> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a certain > >> window of > >> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob > >> to make that window larger. > >> > >> > >> It might be worth experimenting with a different host > >> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance. > >> > >> Or try a different midi interface. > >> > >> > >> > >> andy > >> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now Os > has > >> chipped in it's all over. ) > >> > >> > >> Phil Clevenger wrote: > >>> > >>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern > MIDI > >>> clock sync? > >>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html > >>> > >>> Phil > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > os@collective.co.uk > > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers > > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ > > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ > > > > --0016e6d64b9c934f8b04b6a804cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a b= it off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. = I get about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem.

I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. = I really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff.

On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my
setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I do:

1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to
OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Cl= ock
goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box.

2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the
IAC Bus port.

3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect
I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too,
used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical
either.

4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed
in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin
that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of
patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a
bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not
possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first
few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly
incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going
Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both
Live's effects and the iDrum beats.

Per



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock.
>
>
> os.
>
>
> On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> I like the test method they describe here.
>>
>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Wa= tch.html
>>
>> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >> midi interfaces).
>>
>> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the pa= ge.
>> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error
>> of 10mS for midi clocks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following,
>> (...yet).
>>
>> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks
>> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting.
>> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter m= ight
>> through off the LP1.
>> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted= .
>>
>> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond = a certain
>> window of
>> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob<= br> >> to make that window larger.
>>
>>
>> It might be worth experimenting with a different host
>> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance.
>>
>> Or try a different midi interface.
>>
>>
>>
>> andy
>> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and= now Os has
>> chipped in it's all over. )
>>
>>
>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better= govern MIDI
>>> clock sync?
>>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.ht= ml
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> os@collective.co.uk
> http:/= /twitter.com/expertsleepers
> http://w= ww.darkroomtheband.net/
> http:/= /www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>

--0016e6d64b9c934f8b04b6a804cc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:01:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A560183460; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zIRzy55VKD5yP3UhyKt2xJB3rEyV+D5Lpj06yHuDfv4=; b=qodrkuXfI3W+317pGpJGGGRnm/AqAxjlOnALWDveyWMcHAqMaTBna9pT+G06F62I/h /cndP4fdNG1e1Ht03oh6Yrb1XsX2Hvhmb795C8Gzkhy1r4lS8MblLZsCw09s9YEfaiHq RC2EgLyP8Zjc+75AdN6/8xiDhEEkRK8tzZklU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:01:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Going battery powered? From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd47f961bc1b504b6a82a34 Resent-Message-ID: <9CFnZ.A.uEH.kfFFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:01:25 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd47f961bc1b504b6a82a34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I love my AC33. I've tried a number of battery powered amps, and the AC33 definitely came out on top for sound & convenience. I also love my Sanyo Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li-ion battery that works as a 9V power source. You can power 2A worth of stuff; of course, fewer pedals means longer run time. It will run my Boomerang III & a Blackout tuner for about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeable AAs, which also last about 3 hours, perhaps more. Zak Kramer On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Swirly wrote: > Ooh, thanks for the ideas. > > The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to do the 9V - perhaps I > could have a separate battery for that? > --000e0cd47f961bc1b504b6a82a34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love my AC33. I've tried a number of battery powered amps, and the AC= 33 definitely came out on top for sound & convenience. I also love my S= anyo Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li-ion battery that works as a 9V= power source. You can power 2A worth of stuff; of course, fewer pedals mea= ns longer run time. It will run my Boomerang III & a Blackout tuner for= about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeable AAs, which also last about 3= hours, perhaps more.

Zak Kramer


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Sw= irly <tom@swirly.com= > wrote:
Ooh, thanks for the ideas.

The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to d= o the 9V - perhaps I could have a separate battery for that?

--000e0cd47f961bc1b504b6a82a34-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:09:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D9AE18345F; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=i+j04RqtEyakpQmOO9PLYTMhSE2rHxg0oY+/ZIXfCcY=; b=N3moL6TVArilw7YaB+FDkCmuCSBvjgXy0pHSdMgloItZFUhIcBrA8hYUXmOAUxEUBl VyO4qGMHD1RYpx7FxUWu6ZtwgKMBYaqsNpMzVl/AMLyD9JvJMJSSEu8/jQvGBcJGiX9g bicX97k15vIyxna9cuZUr4/fQHoQrYlhs0y7w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:09:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YFczeNm0F5RT3ModnVmSfbfD1ms Message-ID: Subject: Re: Going battery powered? From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0413902d05f34f04b6a84647 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:09:13 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0413902d05f34f04b6a84647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The Sanyo looks like just the ticket - I'm getting closer! Actually, I'm debating getting it simply so I don't have to plug in any more. The one remaining issue is that the VL-1's power is very unfortunately the inverse of a usual pedal, and I don't see an inverter on the Sanyo. (in other words, instead of tip = +, it's tip = - or wait, I am getting it backward? But you get the idea...) But there has to be some cable that will simply invert this... right? On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: > I love my AC33. I've tried a number of battery powered amps, and the AC33 > definitely came out on top for sound & convenience. I also love my Sanyo > Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li-ion battery that works as a 9V > power source. You can power 2A worth of stuff; of course, fewer pedals > means longer run time. It will run my Boomerang III & a Blackout tuner for > about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeable AAs, which also last about 3 > hours, perhaps more. > > Zak Kramer > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Swirly wrote: > >> Ooh, thanks for the ideas. >> >> The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to do the 9V - perhaps I >> could have a separate battery for that? >> > > -- /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --f46d0413902d05f34f04b6a84647 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Sanyo looks like just the ticket - I'm getting closer!

Actually, I'm debating getting it simply so I don't have to = plug in any more.

The one remaining issue is that th= e VL-1's power is very unfortunately the inverse of a usual pedal, and = I don't see an inverter on the Sanyo. =C2=A0(in other words, instead of= tip =3D +, it's tip =3D - =C2=A0or wait, I am getting it backward? =C2= =A0But you get the idea...)


But there has to be some cable that will= simply invert this... right?



<= /div>


On Mon, Jan 16, 201= 2 at 12:01 PM, Zak Kramer <crazyquilt@gmail.com> wrote:
I love my AC33. I've tried a number of b= attery powered amps, and the AC33 definitely came out on top for sound &= ; convenience. I also love my Sanyo Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li= -ion battery that works as a 9V power source. You can power 2A worth of stu= ff; of course, fewer pedals means longer run time. It will run my Boomerang= III & a Blackout tuner for about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeab= le AAs, which also last about 3 hours, perhaps more.=

Zak Kramer



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Sw= irly <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
Ooh, thanks for the ideas.

The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to d= o the 9V - perhaps I could have a separate battery for that?




--
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 /t

http://ra= dio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000
--f46d0413902d05f34f04b6a84647-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:11:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70ED318345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:11:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HkCQ3J8uRMbuFJA1oG7YdfKkU/mTxwCrKUUz9D5xqxs=; b=giUmhntrrkNoTJUScfwID7AoRqwAK3O5mAOX6N3bWwQlbA/yjOjJU/pqXO8jq5qtGy EHIvgIcT8UkF6JREo98vuhv6zkye0Lz9aPCmQoiGJDWbV/3hnzv5AieJiD9sw2ShOMsj DFf/46PsaO/BmMKnMQ08768hEuOlInaFrrTYc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:11:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Going battery powered? From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:11:05 +0000 (UTC) How about using a portable backup power source like this one (for example): http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/backup-power/xpower-powerpack-400.aspx Depends on your amp, I guess. Sylvain On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Swirly wrote: > Ooh, thanks for the ideas. > > The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to do the 9V - perhaps I > could have a separate battery for that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:12:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6524B18345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/DeW3+Bbf7XV/RA14e8JGAzc0v0b8ulVFe4V+idqezo=; b=ibo5BT6zD4dQh5/MB/36oTsqmC9/hm6qf+o/4U9uKLuOun2vD3S7YEeP5j6OYz9/dE ljQjJVZygm4Fye5t4Er3/JFYDneaBNLdTczNfWuVWEJpaNgrRDK7ATplInucotrzUG6E wvVnAWComUO9OwcXIy/LRJiEIr6q9bUI4sTSg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Going battery powered? From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd47f96a4fd3504b6a851e8 Resent-Message-ID: <7Jl6QB.A.LfH.8pFFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:12:28 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd47f96a4fd3504b6a851e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You can get an adapter, yes. I think mine's a Line 6 adapter from my One Spot power source. Anything that converts a Boss style jack to a Line 6 style jack should work. Zak Kramer On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Tom Swirly wrote: > The Sanyo looks like just the ticket - I'm getting closer! > > Actually, I'm debating getting it simply so I don't have to plug in any > more. > > The one remaining issue is that the VL-1's power is very unfortunately the > inverse of a usual pedal, and I don't see an inverter on the Sanyo. (in > other words, instead of tip = +, it's tip = - or wait, I am getting it > backward? But you get the idea...) > > > But there has to be some cable that will simply invert this... right? > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: > >> I love my AC33. I've tried a number of battery powered amps, and the AC33 >> definitely came out on top for sound & convenience. I also love my Sanyo >> Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li-ion battery that works as a 9V >> power source. You can power 2A worth of stuff; of course, fewer pedals >> means longer run time. It will run my Boomerang III & a Blackout tuner for >> about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeable AAs, which also last about 3 >> hours, perhaps more. >> >> Zak Kramer >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Swirly wrote: >> >>> Ooh, thanks for the ideas. >>> >>> The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to do the 9V - perhaps I >>> could have a separate battery for that? >>> >> >> > > > -- > /t > > http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 > --000e0cd47f96a4fd3504b6a851e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can get an adapter, yes. I think mine's a Line 6 adapter from my On= e Spot power source. Anything that converts a Boss style jack to a Line 6 s= tyle jack should work.

Zak Kramer


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Tom Sw= irly <tom@swirly.com= > wrote:
The Sanyo looks like just the ticket - I'm getting closer!

Actually, I'm debating getting it simply so I don't have to = plug in any more.

The one remaining issue is that th= e VL-1's power is very unfortunately the inverse of a usual pedal, and = I don't see an inverter on the Sanyo. =A0(in other words, instead of ti= p =3D +, it's tip =3D - =A0or wait, I am getting it backward? =A0But yo= u get the idea...)


But there has to be some cable that will= simply invert this... right?



<= /div>


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Zak Kramer <crazyquilt@gmail.com= > wrote:
I love my AC33. I've tried a number of b= attery powered amps, and the AC33 definitely came out on top for sound &= ; convenience. I also love my Sanyo Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li= -ion battery that works as a 9V power source. You can power 2A worth of stu= ff; of course, fewer pedals means longer run time. It will run my Boomerang= III & a Blackout tuner for about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeab= le AAs, which also last about 3 hours, perhaps more.

Zak Kramer



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Sw= irly <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
Ooh, thanks for the ideas.

The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to d= o the 9V - perhaps I could have a separate battery for that?




<= /div>
--
=A0 =A0=A0 /t

http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio= 24/7 366/1000

--000e0cd47f96a4fd3504b6a851e8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:12:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60304183464; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=B7NsTE+IFDaae+4BjvFhfUMpanrgzjJBTJVE0Ec955E=; b=CFjf211sQ2lQ92RgZsI4L73Y2Lnk/68lxIHpUUxABR2UzT8eTIFojA3CgYVuOgbw3/ mNgf+BLdRLubm6N2Eeop5DfQ4g2hJXoKFF/fCQhSGmmTCpRPOAuEr66o3Z7nSzVgdjn7 sZvXtvYfKDWT/IPrgjg9C2b31FcC/MS3c09CM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:12:35 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: r2xpx96TdoZGNxs61vdVIJpUhY8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Going battery powered? From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9c09a9e258bea04b6a852fa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:12:38 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9c09a9e258bea04b6a852fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Oops, I spoke too soon, it seems that there's another tab on the Sanyo Pedal Juce page that says: Polarity conversion cable x 1 Looks like I'm off to the races! On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Tom Swirly wrote: > The Sanyo looks like just the ticket - I'm getting closer! > > Actually, I'm debating getting it simply so I don't have to plug in any > more. > > The one remaining issue is that the VL-1's power is very unfortunately the > inverse of a usual pedal, and I don't see an inverter on the Sanyo. (in > other words, instead of tip = +, it's tip = - or wait, I am getting it > backward? But you get the idea...) > > > But there has to be some cable that will simply invert this... right? > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: > >> I love my AC33. I've tried a number of battery powered amps, and the AC33 >> definitely came out on top for sound & convenience. I also love my Sanyo >> Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li-ion battery that works as a 9V >> power source. You can power 2A worth of stuff; of course, fewer pedals >> means longer run time. It will run my Boomerang III & a Blackout tuner for >> about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeable AAs, which also last about 3 >> hours, perhaps more. >> >> Zak Kramer >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Swirly wrote: >> >>> Ooh, thanks for the ideas. >>> >>> The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to do the 9V - perhaps I >>> could have a separate battery for that? >>> >> >> > > > -- > /t > > http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 > -- /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --14dae9c09a9e258bea04b6a852fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oops, I spoke too soon, it seems that there's another tab on the Sanyo = Pedal Juce page that says:

Polarity conversion cable x 1


Looks lik= e I'm off to the races!

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Tom S= wirly <tom@swirly.co= m> wrote:
The Sanyo looks like just the ticket - I'm getting closer!

Actually, I'm debating getting it simply so I don't have to = plug in any more.

The one remaining issue is that th= e VL-1's power is very unfortunately the inverse of a usual pedal, and = I don't see an inverter on the Sanyo. =C2=A0(in other words, instead of= tip =3D +, it's tip =3D - =C2=A0or wait, I am getting it backward? =C2= =A0But you get the idea...)


But there has to be some cable that will= simply invert this... right?



<= /div>


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Zak Kramer <crazyquilt@gmail.com= > wrote:
I love my AC33. I've tried a number of b= attery powered amps, and the AC33 definitely came out on top for sound &= ; convenience. I also love my Sanyo Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li= -ion battery that works as a 9V power source. You can power 2A worth of stu= ff; of course, fewer pedals means longer run time. It will run my Boomerang= III & a Blackout tuner for about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeab= le AAs, which also last about 3 hours, perhaps more.

Zak Kramer



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Sw= irly <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
Ooh, thanks for the ideas.

The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to d= o the 9V - perhaps I could have a separate battery for that?




<= /div>
--
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 /t

http://radio.swirly.com - art mu= sic radio 24/7 366/1000



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http://radio.swirly= .com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000
--14dae9c09a9e258bea04b6a852fa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:13:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC186183460; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0+ADR3eT3fM0Pp8e3M2wo9XDtGFbebW0ggDakM+hbXE=; b=V0ex+ZTJvD1eXUU1MSjBqYNxDqcBbJlHG5bllwfAY2defRJhtm4Jv1JHxYcsXDzRVy WxFUKjb43xpbCSGPrNU3tU7VIMIBssB6aVFV7R1UdKPBJPExUBSict0QQjrCwIbsF+Sd SjUIQ1DaZ8W3CMTDmcMcX9DXGgE+rkFTv+16A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F141AE2.6060501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:13:48 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: i8Td0SVjhKBX01ov55cdGfKqQ0c Message-ID: Subject: Re: Going battery powered? From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0413902d80fe8004b6a85609 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:13:51 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0413902d80fe8004b6a85609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've obsoleted my Line 6 (sigh... I still miss it but I'm determined not to carry things around any more). So all I needed was inversion. And it's got it. Yaaay!!! On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: > You can get an adapter, yes. I think mine's a Line 6 adapter from my One > Spot power source. Anything that converts a Boss style jack to a Line 6 > style jack should work. > > Zak Kramer > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Tom Swirly wrote: > >> The Sanyo looks like just the ticket - I'm getting closer! >> >> Actually, I'm debating getting it simply so I don't have to plug in any >> more. >> >> The one remaining issue is that the VL-1's power is very unfortunately >> the inverse of a usual pedal, and I don't see an inverter on the Sanyo. >> (in other words, instead of tip = +, it's tip = - or wait, I am getting >> it backward? But you get the idea...) >> >> >> But there has to be some cable that will simply invert this... right? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: >> >>> I love my AC33. I've tried a number of battery powered amps, and the >>> AC33 definitely came out on top for sound & convenience. I also love my >>> Sanyo Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li-ion battery that works as a >>> 9V power source. You can power 2A worth of stuff; of course, fewer pedals >>> means longer run time. It will run my Boomerang III & a Blackout tuner for >>> about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeable AAs, which also last about 3 >>> hours, perhaps more. >>> >>> Zak Kramer >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Swirly wrote: >>> >>>> Ooh, thanks for the ideas. >>>> >>>> The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to do the 9V - perhaps I >>>> could have a separate battery for that? >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> /t >> >> http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 >> > > -- /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --f46d0413902d80fe8004b6a85609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've obsoleted my Line 6 (sigh... I still miss it but I'm determine= d not to carry things around any more).

So all I needed = was inversion. =C2=A0And it's got it. =C2=A0Yaaay!!!

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Zak Kramer <crazyquilt@gmail.com> wrote:=
You can get an adapter, yes. I think mine's a Line 6 adapter from my On= e Spot power source. Anything that converts a Boss style jack to a Line 6 s= tyle jack should work.
Zak Kramer



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Tom Sw= irly <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
The Sanyo looks like just the ticket - I'm getting closer!

Actually, I'm debating getting it simply so I don't have to = plug in any more.

The one remaining issue is that th= e VL-1's power is very unfortunately the inverse of a usual pedal, and = I don't see an inverter on the Sanyo. =C2=A0(in other words, instead of= tip =3D +, it's tip =3D - =C2=A0or wait, I am getting it backward? =C2= =A0But you get the idea...)


But there has to be some cable that will= simply invert this... right?



<= /div>


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Zak Kramer <crazyquilt@gmail.com= > wrote:
I love my AC33. I've tried a number of b= attery powered amps, and the AC33 definitely came out on top for sound &= ; convenience. I also love my Sanyo Pedal Juice, which is a rechargeable Li= -ion battery that works as a 9V power source. You can power 2A worth of stu= ff; of course, fewer pedals means longer run time. It will run my Boomerang= III & a Blackout tuner for about 3 hours. I run the AC33 on rechargeab= le AAs, which also last about 3 hours, perhaps more.

Zak Kramer



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tom Sw= irly <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
Ooh, thanks for the ideas.

The AC-33 looks very nice, but it doesn't seem to d= o the 9V - perhaps I could have a separate battery for that?




<= /div>
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 /t

http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/= 7 366/1000




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http://ra= dio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000
--f46d0413902d80fe8004b6a85609-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:37:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B04F18345F; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QauD6NhypO24EAGvB8m7nJZKEhr82ShveXoqcEsnv6Q=; b=VEegpuMqHR20iuYX+Vhzh3mCk+sAE1Lhga3gFOIfIbPLB2rtqESBuhuGWlI2Za//xm lZzNra35XevWfP6zXzRt2YpqSj25PQZI5f7xBxOmOwm41H1uUB5GDso6tJpI+ycRzwQO /z3QSYYpOxZrMu8bM6leit8l637wtJfzvJqwM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:37:34 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d6467b7f4c4e04b6a8ab8a Resent-Message-ID: <5rKLHC.A.2E.fBGFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:37:36 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d6467b7f4c4e04b6a8ab8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks all for the illuminating discussion :) My goals here, the reasons I am interested in good hardware/software synch, are as follows: 1. To enable precise edits after the fact: whether adding Ableton loops to running LP-1 loops, or excising beat-precise sections/subsections from a piece recorded into Ableton, or mucking about with same in a beat or sub-beat precise manner... most important aspect because there is no real workaround here that is effective. 2. To be able to develop and play LP-1 loops alongside software-generated beats 3. To be able to improvise freely with both hardware and software in synch. 4. To have peripheral pedals (delay, trem etc) synched too. This is not as much a problem though, as the clock for constantly running processes... It is true that things are fine if one stays within Ableton only; it is true that things are fine when staying within the LP-1 only. But I want them both :) Phil :) > On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > > The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a bit > off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. I get > about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem. > > I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. I > really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff. > On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > >> Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my >> setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I >> do: >> >> 1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to >> OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Clock >> goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box. >> >> 2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the >> IAC Bus port. >> >> 3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. >> Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect >> I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too, >> used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical >> either. >> >> 4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed >> in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin >> that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of >> patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a >> bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not >> possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first >> few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly >> incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU >> sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going >> Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both >> Live's effects and the iDrum beats. >> >> Per >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os wrote: >> > Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock. >> > >> > >> > os. >> > >> > >> > On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler wrote: >> >> I like the test method they describe here. >> >> >> >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html >> >> >> >> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >> >> midi interfaces). >> >> >> >> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page. >> >> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error >> >> of 10mS for midi clocks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following, >> >> (...yet). >> >> >> >> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks >> >> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting. >> >> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter might >> >> through off the LP1. >> >> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted. >> >> >> >> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a certain >> >> window of >> >> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob >> >> to make that window larger. >> >> >> >> >> >> It might be worth experimenting with a different host >> >> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance. >> >> >> >> Or try a different midi interface. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> andy >> >> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now Os >> has >> >> chipped in it's all over. ) >> >> >> >> >> >> Phil Clevenger wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern >> MIDI >> >>> clock sync? >> >>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >> >>> >> >>> Phil >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > os@collective.co.uk >> > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers >> > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ >> > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ >> > >> >> > --0016e6d6467b7f4c4e04b6a8ab8a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks a= ll for the illuminating discussion :)

My goals here, the= reasons I am interested in good hardware/software synch, are as follows:

1. To enable precise edits after the fact: whether addi= ng Ableton loops to running LP-1 loops, or excising beat-precise sections/s= ubsections from a piece recorded into Ableton, or mucking about with same i= n a beat or sub-beat precise manner... most important aspect because there = is no real workaround here that is effective.

2. To be able to develop and play LP-1 loops alongside = software-generated beats

3. To be able to improvis= e freely with both hardware and software in synch.

4. To have peripheral pedals (delay, trem etc) synched too. This is no= t as much a problem though, as the clock for constantly running processes..= .

It is true that things are fine if one stays wit= hin Ableton only; it is true that things are fine when staying within the L= P-1 only. But I want them both :)

Phil :)



On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to har= dware is a bit off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and dr= um machine. I get about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem.

I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. = I really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff.

On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my
setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I do:

1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to
OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Cl= ock
goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box.

2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the
IAC Bus port.

3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect
I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too,
used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical
either.

4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed
in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin
that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of
patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a
bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not
possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first
few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly
incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going
Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both
Live's effects and the iDrum beats.

Per



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock.
>
>
> os.
>
>
> On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> I like the test method they describe here.
>>
>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Wa= tch.html
>>
>> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >> midi interfaces).
>>
>> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the pa= ge.
>> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error
>> of 10mS for midi clocks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following,
>> (...yet).
>>
>> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks
>> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting.
>> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter m= ight
>> through off the LP1.
>> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted= .
>>
>> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond = a certain
>> window of
>> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob<= br> >> to make that window larger.
>>
>>
>> It might be worth experimenting with a different host
>> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance.
>>
>> Or try a different midi interface.
>>
>>
>>
>> andy
>> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and= now Os has
>> chipped in it's all over. )
>>
>>
>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better= govern MIDI
>>> clock sync?
>>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.ht= ml
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> os@collective= .co.uk
> http:/= /twitter.com/expertsleepers
> http://w= ww.darkroomtheband.net/
> http:/= /www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>



--0016e6d6467b7f4c4e04b6a8ab8a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:43:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BD08183453; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gUUZCRYXCzjjFyLj+mraaZqc5vzhnf1XkhfChSsbFQw=; b=OLE1G6SKZhsHGSks+3ZDt+E+WIA7sQzxvV931swHH8eu7YAtmO9nQYJiNynDXybwEy zn9YJ5lR6IWPEbYXrjAt4knsqOaYmJom/YK/1RoInduUdLtl7fq1wizRXre9p6zGoHUq kUCHDZlAHw3BkIsXzDzjHwqbXGb1x4WpqOhDk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:43:29 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ed5f9fe45804b6a8c07c Resent-Message-ID: <0u7_T.A.GO.CHGFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:43:30 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ed5f9fe45804b6a8c07c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there an audio sync in like there was for the edp? That would be the best bet. On Jan 16, 2012 11:37 AM, "Phil Clevenger" wrote: > > Thanks all for the illuminating discussion :) > > My goals here, the reasons I am interested in good hardware/software > synch, are as follows: > > 1. To enable precise edits after the fact: whether adding Ableton loops to > running LP-1 loops, or excising beat-precise sections/subsections from a > piece recorded into Ableton, or mucking about with same in a beat or > sub-beat precise manner... most important aspect because there is no real > workaround here that is effective. > > 2. To be able to develop and play LP-1 loops alongside software-generated > beats > > 3. To be able to improvise freely with both hardware and software in synch. > > 4. To have peripheral pedals (delay, trem etc) synched too. This is not as > much a problem though, as the clock for constantly running processes... > > It is true that things are fine if one stays within Ableton only; it is > true that things are fine when staying within the LP-1 only. But I want > them both :) > > Phil :) > > > >> On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: >> >> The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a >> bit off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. I >> get about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem. >> >> I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. I >> really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff. >> On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >>> Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my >>> setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I >>> do: >>> >>> 1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to >>> OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Clock >>> goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box. >>> >>> 2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the >>> IAC Bus port. >>> >>> 3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. >>> Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect >>> I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too, >>> used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical >>> either. >>> >>> 4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed >>> in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin >>> that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of >>> patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a >>> bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not >>> possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first >>> few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly >>> incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU >>> sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going >>> Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both >>> Live's effects and the iDrum beats. >>> >>> Per >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os wrote: >>> > Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock. >>> > >>> > >>> > os. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler wrote: >>> >> I like the test method they describe here. >>> >> >>> >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html >>> >> >>> >> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >>> >> midi interfaces). >>> >> >>> >> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page. >>> >> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error >>> >> of 10mS for midi clocks. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following, >>> >> (...yet). >>> >> >>> >> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks >>> >> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting. >>> >> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter might >>> >> through off the LP1. >>> >> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted. >>> >> >>> >> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a >>> certain >>> >> window of >>> >> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob >>> >> to make that window larger. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> It might be worth experimenting with a different host >>> >> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance. >>> >> >>> >> Or try a different midi interface. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> andy >>> >> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now Os >>> has >>> >> chipped in it's all over. ) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Phil Clevenger wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better >>> govern MIDI >>> >>> clock sync? >>> >>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > os@collective.co.uk >>> > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers >>> > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ >>> > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ >>> > >>> >>> >> > --f46d0444ed5f9fe45804b6a8c07c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is there an audio sync in like there was for the edp? That would be the = best bet.

On Jan 16, 2012 11:37 AM, "Phil Clevenger&q= uot; <phil.clevenger@gmail.c= om> wrote:

Thanks a= ll for the illuminating discussion :)

My goals here, the= reasons I am interested in good hardware/software synch, are as follows:

1. To enable precise edits after the fact: whether addi= ng Ableton loops to running LP-1 loops, or excising beat-precise sections/s= ubsections from a piece recorded into Ableton, or mucking about with same i= n a beat or sub-beat precise manner... most important aspect because there = is no real workaround here that is effective.

2. To be able to develop and play LP-1 loops alongside = software-generated beats

3. To be able to improvis= e freely with both hardware and software in synch.

4. To have peripheral pedals (delay, trem etc) synched too. This is no= t as much a problem though, as the clock for constantly running processes..= .

It is true that things are fine if one stays wit= hin Ableton only; it is true that things are fine when staying within the L= P-1 only. But I want them both :)

Phil :)



On Jan 16,= 2012, at 8:50 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

<= p>The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a bi= t off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. I= get about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem.

I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. = I really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff.

On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my
setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I do:

1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to
OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Cl= ock
goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box.

2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the
IAC Bus port.

3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect
I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too,
used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical
either.

4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed
in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin
that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of
patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a
bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not
possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first
few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly
incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going
Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both
Live's effects and the iDrum beats.

Per



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock.
>
>
> os.
>
>
> On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> I like the test method they describe here.
>>
>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Wa= tch.html
>>
>> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >> midi interfaces).
>>
>> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the pa= ge.
>> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error
>> of 10mS for midi clocks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following,
>> (...yet).
>>
>> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks
>> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting.
>> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter m= ight
>> through off the LP1.
>> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted= .
>>
>> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond = a certain
>> window of
>> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob<= br> >> to make that window larger.
>>
>>
>> It might be worth experimenting with a different host
>> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance.
>>
>> Or try a different midi interface.
>>
>>
>>
>> andy
>> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and= now Os has
>> chipped in it's all over. )
>>
>>
>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better= govern MIDI
>>> clock sync?
>>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.ht= ml
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> os@collective= .co.uk
> http:/= /twitter.com/expertsleepers
> http://w= ww.darkroomtheband.net/
> http:/= /www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>



--f46d0444ed5f9fe45804b6a8c07c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:45:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD14618345F; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dBSlYJV5MlM4y9dObHv+rrjFTVriBKmcoJLTdFLK1F8=; b=l0doTmNXexIkz2SWg6JVatBEwQXQ7eQlKHxMqkPSM8SaOwjHEeDdh2h3BItDu6M2jW pZtZ2tBSrjwrGnLLfVs8pEVBFPEy+IoQUq8WB3ptPDefy6tTPJngK/BuSomRXAJNr8ll jtrzVUaEOD1NlaKYH/GiHR08f17ISQC7Z1Zc0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:45:33 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53f35f906969804b6a8c83b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:45:34 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec53f35f906969804b6a8c83b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per, I will try to use your workflow and see what happens. Slave Live to LP-1, generate beats from a Live plug-in, set tempo with LP-1 loop. Phil :) On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > Is there an audio sync in like there was for the edp? That would be the > best bet. > On Jan 16, 2012 11:37 AM, "Phil Clevenger" > wrote: > >> >> Thanks all for the illuminating discussion :) >> >> My goals here, the reasons I am interested in good hardware/software >> synch, are as follows: >> >> 1. To enable precise edits after the fact: whether adding Ableton loops >> to running LP-1 loops, or excising beat-precise sections/subsections from a >> piece recorded into Ableton, or mucking about with same in a beat or >> sub-beat precise manner... most important aspect because there is no real >> workaround here that is effective. >> >> 2. To be able to develop and play LP-1 loops alongside software-generated >> beats >> >> 3. To be able to improvise freely with both hardware and software in >> synch. >> >> 4. To have peripheral pedals (delay, trem etc) synched too. This is not >> as much a problem though, as the clock for constantly running processes... >> >> It is true that things are fine if one stays within Ableton only; it is >> true that things are fine when staying within the LP-1 only. But I want >> them both :) >> >> Phil :) >> >> >> >>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote: >>> >>> The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a >>> bit off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. I >>> get about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem. >>> >>> I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. >>> I really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff. >>> On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >>> >>>> Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my >>>> setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I >>>> do: >>>> >>>> 1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to >>>> OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Clock >>>> goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box. >>>> >>>> 2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the >>>> IAC Bus port. >>>> >>>> 3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. >>>> Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect >>>> I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too, >>>> used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical >>>> either. >>>> >>>> 4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed >>>> in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin >>>> that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of >>>> patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a >>>> bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not >>>> possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first >>>> few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly >>>> incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU >>>> sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going >>>> Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both >>>> Live's effects and the iDrum beats. >>>> >>>> Per >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os wrote: >>>> > Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > os. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler wrote: >>>> >> I like the test method they describe here. >>>> >> >>>> >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html >>>> >> >>>> >> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >>>> >> midi interfaces). >>>> >> >>>> >> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page. >>>> >> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error >>>> >> of 10mS for midi clocks. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following, >>>> >> (...yet). >>>> >> >>>> >> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks >>>> >> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting. >>>> >> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter >>>> might >>>> >> through off the LP1. >>>> >> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted. >>>> >> >>>> >> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a >>>> certain >>>> >> window of >>>> >> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob >>>> >> to make that window larger. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> It might be worth experimenting with a different host >>>> >> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance. >>>> >> >>>> >> Or try a different midi interface. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> andy >>>> >> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now >>>> Os has >>>> >> chipped in it's all over. ) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Phil Clevenger wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better >>>> govern MIDI >>>> >>> clock sync? >>>> >>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Phil >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > os@collective.co.uk >>>> > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers >>>> > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ >>>> > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >> --bcaec53f35f906969804b6a8c83b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, I will try to use your workflow and see what happens. Slave Live to LP= -1, generate beats from a Live plug-in, set tempo with LP-1 loop.

P= hil :)



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:= 43 AM, Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there an audio sync in like there was = for the edp? That would be the best bet.

On Jan 16, 2012 11:37 AM, "Phil Clevenger&q= uot; <phil= .clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks a= ll for the illuminating discussion :)

My goals here, the= reasons I am interested in good hardware/software synch, are as follows:

1. To enable precise edits after the fact: whether addi= ng Ableton loops to running LP-1 loops, or excising beat-precise sections/s= ubsections from a piece recorded into Ableton, or mucking about with same i= n a beat or sub-beat precise manner... most important aspect because there = is no real workaround here that is effective.

2. To be able to develop and play LP-1 loops alongside = software-generated beats

3. To be able to improvis= e freely with both hardware and software in synch.

4. To have peripheral pedals (delay, trem etc) synched too. This is no= t as much a problem though, as the clock for constantly running processes..= .

It is true that things are fine if one stays wit= hin Ableton only; it is true that things are fine when staying within the L= P-1 only. But I want them both :)

Phil :)



On Jan 16,= 2012, at 8:50 AM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

<= p>The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a bi= t off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. I= get about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem.

I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. = I really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff.

On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my
setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I do:

1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to
OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Cl= ock
goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box.

2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the
IAC Bus port.

3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect
I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too,
used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical
either.

4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed
in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin
that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of
patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a
bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not
possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first
few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly
incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going
Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both
Live's effects and the iDrum beats.

Per



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock.
>
>
> os.
>
>
> On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> I like the test method they describe here.
>>
>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Wa= tch.html
>>
>> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >> midi interfaces).
>>
>> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the pa= ge.
>> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error
>> of 10mS for midi clocks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following,
>> (...yet).
>>
>> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks
>> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting.
>> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter m= ight
>> through off the LP1.
>> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted= .
>>
>> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond = a certain
>> window of
>> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob<= br> >> to make that window larger.
>>
>>
>> It might be worth experimenting with a different host
>> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance.
>>
>> Or try a different midi interface.
>>
>>
>>
>> andy
>> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and= now Os has
>> chipped in it's all over. )
>>
>>
>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better= govern MIDI
>>> clock sync?
>>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.ht= ml
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> os@collective= .co.uk
> http:/= /twitter.com/expertsleepers
> http://w= ww.darkroomtheband.net/
> http:/= /www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>




--bcaec53f35f906969804b6a8c83b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:46:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9004183452; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sgdDaVgdcCsNl3AID3D1FEiwDWi7J5DO+ROdLEQOi4o=; b=B3coWfkaCwCFKh91IS2BU4OK5gsucSlLNHt7gho73+4mbpowj3LcXDCJoGEIxD26/O lh67VNjz19j4KbAtUwVoiKneBGUKgqS22fojIgOUYXzF5pQuw9o0r6dBwkFoR38M3XKF ALVNi6yMC2Ak4qX8ccSyI3TQYyNa1g9hiKSU0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:46:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: OT: pod hd as usb soundcard From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:46:35 +0000 (UTC) does anybody use one of the new line6 pod hd pedalboards (HD300, HD400, HD500) as usb soundcard on a mac within the DAW of your choice for live pourposes? are the latency figures respectable in this context? any happy win 7 users? i'm specially interested in the smaller one, the HD300. thanks! ra=FCl. --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:49:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B55A718345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 712276498/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.88/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.88 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAFViFE9YbRtY/2dsb2JhbAAMN6wxhAIBAQEEOEARCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAb1riSsBAQUDBA0FCwQCBAEFAwIMEQMJAQEGAQUsAQIBAQIDAQIBAQEBAgsCAgEBAggCEAQBCAsBBwQZDRMLAQgEBAMbAoI/gxwEmk+NAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,518,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="712276498" Message-ID: <4F146315.7070902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:49:09 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Innerclock References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi Phil, now I think about it, I remember that a guy called Claude Voit was the genius guy for syncing a hardware looper to a software sequencer. He used the EDP, but should be similar for the LP1. His technique was to forget about midi time clock altogether, and to have all the sync stuff in the sequencer itself. The LP1 has a Re-trigger command to accurately re-start from the beginning of the loop, so all you need to do is to send a CC to it at the beginning of each loop and you should be rock solid. (well, as the LP1 is multi-track it's not quite so straightforward, but you get the idea) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:52:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45677183454; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 712277760/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.88/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.88 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAGRjFE9YbRtY/2dsb2JhbAAMN6wxhAIBAQEEOFELGAklDwJGHAG9bokrAQEFAwQNBQsEAgQBBQMCDBEDCQEBBgEFLAEBAQEBAQEBAgECAQEBAQILAgIBAQIIAhAEAQgLAQcEGQ0TCwEIBAQDGwKCP4McBJpPjQM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,519,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="712277760" Message-ID: <4F1463E9.10409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:52:41 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Innerclock References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Marcus Kirby wrote: > Is there an audio sync in like there was for the edp? That would be the > best bet. no, not on the LP1. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 18:14:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EE1318345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OzbY9hMXVgTZ1+BOct1Czy1KCxBwPCG+k4u9bd5aPVc=; b=P2MNzXzIeVV6zUlcQzUB8q3sUAwHBGbz4I38k9+XN5sjz63/jQpWa+WetpLUMf8nt+ NDd0Umpu756W4HOGcQ/suhb8/kNxQubRGGMkeDZLuizPwM32spQxSZgTpcVWMQSS2qHs QjePnBD7DVxIFbKpb7aA3mwHu3ZhFCM8t3IoE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:14:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0KKilD.A.TeC.JkGFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Something you need to keep in mind when discussing these matters is that all latency compensation and track/channel timing adjustment options in Live only works when Live is the sync master. So in my Live-as-slave live looping rig all that isn't even an option ;-) Per On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a bit > off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. I get > about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem. > > I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. I > really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff. > > On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my >> setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I >> do: >> >> 1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to >> OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Clock >> goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box. >> >> 2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the >> IAC Bus port. >> >> 3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. >> Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect >> I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too, >> used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical >> either. >> >> 4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed >> in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin >> that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of >> patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a >> bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not >> possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first >> few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly >> incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU >> sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going >> Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both >> Live's effects and the iDrum beats. >> >> Per >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os wrote: >> > Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock. >> > >> > >> > os. >> > >> > >> > On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler wrote: >> >> I like the test method they describe here. >> >> >> >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html >> >> >> >> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >> >> midi interfaces). >> >> >> >> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page. >> >> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error >> >> of 10mS for midi clocks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following, >> >> (...yet). >> >> >> >> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks >> >> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting. >> >> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter might >> >> through off the LP1. >> >> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted. >> >> >> >> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a certain >> >> window of >> >> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob >> >> to make that window larger. >> >> >> >> >> >> It might be worth experimenting with a different host >> >> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance. >> >> >> >> Or try a different midi interface. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> andy >> >> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now Os >> >> has >> >> chipped in it's all over. ) >> >> >> >> >> >> Phil Clevenger wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better govern >> >>> MIDI >> >>> clock sync? >> >>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >> >>> >> >>> Phil >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > os@collective.co.uk >> > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers >> > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ >> > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 19:41:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F71F18345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pHTJeD4X47/fxX4JNW71OonQo0Kspva4KN5BMNPmhfA=; b=i9NT5cRCyR3F2P3bcK0dPKXFGKNyBY1GflpbHjcUu5w11WyrKRTQ6YDkOTRX9eqGj/ 09nZLUf4gIELn/spokWWyZJeX+5DjbsDu7d6BV2i1UfKzRtJoPYEx+ZSVnExYbVJO2Wv APX5Q1WNqArNS4HhQC0zI0F4+CKkp2Oq/dLGs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:41:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: pod hd as usb soundcard From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba614710a8f81704b6aa6755 Resent-Message-ID: <2t9x4B.A.4iD.71HFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:41:48 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba614710a8f81704b6aa6755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not so astonished when I heard the demos... Why not go the M9 M13 route...? 2012/1/16 Ra=FCl Bonell > does anybody use one of the new line6 pod hd pedalboards (HD300, > HD400, HD500) as usb soundcard on a mac within the DAW of your choice > for live pourposes? are the latency figures respectable in this > context? any happy win 7 users? > > i'm specially interested in the smaller one, the HD300. > > thanks! > ra=FCl. > > -- > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba614710a8f81704b6aa6755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not so astonished when I heard the demos...
Why not go the M9 M13 route.= ..?

2012/1/16 Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com= >
does anybody use one of the new line6 pod hd= pedalboards (HD300,
HD400, HD500) as usb soundcard on a mac within the DAW of your choice
for live pourposes? are the latency figures respectable in this
context? any happy win 7 users?

i'm specially interested in the smaller one, the HD300.

thanks!
ra=FCl.

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Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion,
they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.
For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.

Kim Flint
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raulbonell.tumbl= r.com - collective.= com




--
Petri Lah= tinen


--90e6ba614710a8f81704b6aa6755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 21:00:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A4EB18345B; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=67g8cvisAoMG74gzeOe5lAphsDCNn8AQPd0brufvhfE=; b=niVO1lbElq20vveTcuIGxmkhaV7cbiIQhjhJq4jIBjWmIpaoeONPZDly5N0q0zeDAH mCMfr/LvnWaDVQBYgQK38RU5fSLJ4LSqWT7Mqbj2VUULhgBoBOjdCfqRFF8PF1A9CWMi 0m5kUHfNHE8B0TmurvOsRCpex82W6SdStfNUQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:00:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: pod hd as usb soundcard From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:00:11 +0000 (UTC) with M9 M13 you got no USB port, so they can't play other audio stuff running in your DAW, the HD series, can.. at least, that's what the manual says... i'd like to use sw loopers as well, so i don't know if i'll have to add a second soundcard or not... 2012/1/16, Petri Lahtinen : > Not so astonished when I heard the demos... > Why not go the M9 M13 route...? > > 2012/1/16 Ra=FCl Bonell > >> does anybody use one of the new line6 pod hd pedalboards (HD300, >> HD400, HD500) as usb soundcard on a mac within the DAW of your choice >> for live pourposes? are the latency figures respectable in this >> context? any happy win 7 users? >> >> i'm specially interested in the smaller one, the HD300. >> >> thanks! >> ra=FCl. >> >> -- >> >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your >> imagination, >> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. >> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated= . >> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. >> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >> >> Kim Flint >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 21:32:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D489183452; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4F149767.00C5,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=V7CHlOeuTX8qJ/M3k4aXqqkD6LmfniLgByWCSbrUMUU= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=S2VkIKSG37cvqr41ZMwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> <4F146315.7070902@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: Innerclock Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:32:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4F146315.7070902@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AczUdyjxRaOJduI/TRO7Wh0NWNJDiwAHxj1g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) The Yamaha RMX-1, IIRC. Wonder if Claude is still looping? Gary -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Innerclock Hi Phil, now I think about it, I remember that a guy called Claude Voit was the genius guy for syncing a hardware looper to a software sequencer. He used the EDP, but should be similar for the LP1. His technique was to forget about midi time clock altogether, and to have all the sync stuff in the sequencer itself. The LP1 has a Re-trigger command to accurately re-start from the beginning of the loop, so all you need to do is to send a CC to it at the beginning of each loop and you should be rock solid. (well, as the LP1 is multi-track it's not quite so straightforward, but you get the idea) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 21:46:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EB88183460; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 530654.62281.bm@omp1054.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326750401; bh=LIe4sXgekzCdcldWtVwpQqynniIzbmEubABrhyAAX4Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nzAtcDuJr1Kfx9+Hp44IeFrHuW8dWU9zZAj1flGAYeoS3ZtL2KqtxncE3vTeasKLo7B0PNJQbJMgSq+aHiEFzn93uiK9xiQ3OJb5lB265DNdkX+PgkCsbcnL9ZESDQk5Cn6pIEQ7gzhKY0FNz8BtTMOQ5coYcES6xQDG0izLqD4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d6ixTVJDjcBrtBhLyN8Job7G4BytBoWfiDKMI5nDXs41QVhhFBj29nZ80FIn1pJTMJlhzYQiFzTdvyKnHYMjCcnerg8tvW3+YGcxL1s9t4gvB8RCRjXMAYj/WLH0EEOTyV6AOJpfKJZC9X1DH8hsNvv/ADZKkvV9WAFoqxACZPk=; X-YMail-OSG: Y4_._WQVM1nm.kQqRRh7vUJVoDruXtiVz30d54.OsOmGg.3 Wy3OEDhAJC6ndvSlUENMQruw6U3Uv4tw6hALiUXyACrinooqSmPKOGe.lwRn oUibr4URLHb9FlKIiasgC98kQgNC_jVySe.tjjdA2fcEUdvtik0q13oXJXJn XqOM6QFtE7DiIc5TeU2a5J8879jfGnOtDVfG0DLDD7av_DhV7SrYkk1Gbk0. 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I'm starting to think about getting away from my= multi synth "arpeggiate/sequence" loops while doing guitar/vocals through = 4 digi-delays with unpredictable loop times. I'm typically a Roland guy, so= , if I go out and buy a looping machine, I'm going to buy a Roland out of h= abit. Everybody feel free to jump in and set me on the correct path here. u= st keep in mind I work with very limited funds these days. Thanx. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Philip Conway =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Fr= iday, January 13, 2012 9:27 AM=0ASubject: Pigtronix 'Infinity' Looper=0A=0A= Courtesy of: http://www.whatsthatdudeplay.com/2012/01/pigtronix-gets-thrown= -for-loop=0A=0A"Meet Infinity=E2=80=A6 Pigtronix's take on a robust looper.= The Infinity boasts discrete analog limiting and transparent pass-thru cou= pled with seamless recording, playback, dub, undo and redo, on two stereo l= oop pairs.=0A=0AThe pedal's Sync Multi mode provides a multiplier function = that allows the length of Loop 2 to be one, two, three, four or six times t= he length of Loop 1. The pedal features 20 loop presets and one blank canva= s. The loops can also be run out of sync or even in series for verse/chorus= song structures, according to the company. The pedal also has an expressio= n pedal jack for hands free control of overall output and USB access for ar= chival and transfer of your music.=0A=0AThe other new one is called the FAT= Drive =E2=80=93 a thick, touch-sensitive overdrive built around multiple c= ascaded gain stages, enabling the pedal to cover sounds ranging from slight= ly overdriven to rich saturation. The FAT Drive uses a low pass filter for = tone shaping. Bringing the tone control all the way clockwise takes this fi= lter completely out of the circuit for hearty low end. Rolling the tone con= trol back smooths out the highs, leaving ample mid-range bloom and bottom e= nd punch, according to the builder. The pedal's Hi/Lo toggle alters the gai= n structure for more crunch. The true-bypass FAT Drive runs off standard 9v= power, but ships with an 18v adapter for more headroom and overall output.= " ---2002498609-1909228517-1326750401=:34125 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, how much does it cost? I'm starting to think about getting away fro= m my multi synth "arpeggiate/sequence" loops while doing guitar/v= ocals through 4 digi-delays with unpredictable loop times. I'm typicall= y a Roland guy, so, if I go out and buy a looping machine, I'm going to= buy a Roland out of habit. Everybody feel free to jump in and set me on th= e correct path here. ust keep in mind I work with very limited funds these = days. Thanx.=0D
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From: Philip Conway <Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk&g= t;
To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:27 AM
Subject= : Pigtronix 'Infinity' Looper

=0A= Courtesy of: http://www.whatsthatdudeplay.com/2012/01/pigtronix-gets-thrown= -for-loop

"Meet Infinity=E2=80=A6 Pigtronix's take on a robust loope= r. The Infinity boasts discrete analog limiting and transparent pass-thru c= oupled with seamless recording, playback, dub, undo and redo, on two stereo= loop pairs.

The pedal's Sync Multi mode provides a multiplier funct= ion that allows the length of Loop 2 to be one, two, three, four or six tim= es the length of Loop 1. The pedal features 20 loop presets and one blank c= anvas. The loops can also be run out of sync or even in series for verse/ch= orus song structures, according to the company. The pedal also has an expre= ssion pedal jack for hands free control of overall output and USB access fo= r archival and transfer of your music.

The other new one is called t= he FAT Drive =E2=80=93 a thick, touch-sensitive overdrive built around mult= iple cascaded gain stages, enabling the pedal to cover sounds ranging from slightly overdriven to rich saturation. The FAT Drive uses a low pass filt= er for tone shaping. Bringing the tone control all the way clockwise takes = this filter completely out of the circuit for hearty low end. Rolling the t= one control back smooths out the highs, leaving ample mid-range bloom and b= ottom end punch, according to the builder. The pedal's Hi/Lo toggle alters = the gain structure for more crunch. The true-bypass FAT Drive runs off stan= dard 9v power, but ships with an 18v adapter for more headroom and overall = output."



---2002498609-1909228517-1326750401=:34125-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 21:51:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B623018345B; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 214683.95551.bm@omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326750702; bh=gcNMtn+Mc7dPFargaRnNi8A3Kv4YJsWzXMgZ25HFL18=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BX1RH3q6FmWkJ3AoGxjEOgX0hkWF7ldH92N39h9gQPq8tgI6w9uSbZQB8oe7TXcTXBeTTq4NGp9R+yGNfwz1OGyRKUuHy+bGgbuLrh4MTIvsD8q0C+Rkp71dobOyWt7lVHmv1ex3DyIkfe8+YtKJ1/rUxR+j3uzQyAVN6bN1RO0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TMe3Va9hSkRRVQOhCrE1s6tFZO9Gneo7oi7E6Mgou9GwVIypJYUKgaUpI2oWx3mOGV79ytKFK24eykc31cwbY2Z+8bPjK9yQFWFo4W2pvksUQQ0K6CssAmaRIB8vDr+cYmVzTCj6HhDiJhqTuheRIlZFwBlE4IZRSCw/AhgsXYI=; X-YMail-OSG: KN2VsWQVM1kblPLMwsppYnfBWEp0wEu9MApOvMRi5N4Almd w5QP5nhCtMSmvBwfFweBU1gNU3snjWfEJvPlqzhiTkEZH8Lk.vueBQPmdc3L bHTqXCN2rq9X8awSO7gjVM34WrXjuSCic_JCo2gOa9TXzyZycV8Fqmr6UUb5 h0pFCnZnSRhzGEPKgEeDDXTKDNVtcObVyIlvp0wYw8zNqdeSOjwYRil1CxR. dSdZ8sXob2VXp.5c3RZt7Fn6S2PlN36gUqMO_GnRuEofubPDaUV_SoQN4HwW 9fu1Agq_eFoFZcA1wdaki_AcvT1ITSthqrK1loNmXBrS2s3afmI7CP955NU4 v_Ltlav5d8rhgGmyba6Fx0sgAoYsL0i6EpAn8nUHWMFU8zuB1Dr6iK5IfEfk kAfO2wRzOEagaLfNkWyMz0.pL0tz7RMji9Se8ojDL2wLPkhnX2m0lhMbIEHs f2a1KYyi1K_.tkp5QRR.py_lz X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: Message-ID: <1326750702.92428.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:51:42 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1118611504-174517647-1326750702=:92428" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:51:44 +0000 (UTC) ---1118611504-174517647-1326750702=:92428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I've got to open my big,,, whatever it is you open on these forums, a= nd throw in Future Sounds of London, Loop Guru, Orb, a BIG 10-4 on Boards o= f Canada, Blue Nile. For classic prog-rock, I think it's hard to beat the 1= st Todd Rungren's Utopia album. Also 808 State, and an obscure fella that r= ecords as "Human Mesh Dance". (Taylor 808). Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jeremy devros =0ATo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Friday,= January 13, 2012 9:11 AM=0ASubject: RE: OT: Music suggestions?=0A=0A=0AGre= at lists all.=0AI add =0A=0AWorld Music:=0ATinariwen --Mali=0AAli Farke Tou= re - Mali=0ALakshmi Shankar Classical Raga Vocals=0ANusfrat Fateh Ali Khan= =A0 / Fannah Fi Allah --Qwalli vocals=0A=0AMorton Feldman -mid 20th Century= composer=0ATweak yer ears on Alban Berg, Anton Webern, early Schoenberg, S= travinsky=0A=0AModern=0AJackie O Motherfucker --electro noise, free jazz, &= folk :=A0 especially Flags of the Sacred Harp=0ABill Laswell=A0 -- several= good choices here=0AKruder & Dorfmeister --K & D Sessions=0A=0ASo much mus= ic, so little time....=0A=0AJ.D.Devros=0APortland,OR=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> Dat= e: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:44:39 -0600=0A> Subject: OT: Music suggestions?=0A> = From: marcusloops@gmail.com=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>= =0A> I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little= =0A> bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on= =0A> a lot of stuff.=0A> =0A> Any suggestions for good experimental, world,= classic stuff in general?=0A> =0A> Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, t= alking heads, belong, slowdive.=0A> =0A> Bands/albums would be cool.=0A> ---1118611504-174517647-1326750702=:92428 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I've got to open my big,,, whatever it is you open on these forum= s, and throw in Future Sounds of London, Loop Guru, Orb, a BIG 10-4 on Boar= ds of Canada, Blue Nile. For classic prog-rock, I think it's hard to be= at the 1st Todd Rungren's Utopia album. Also 808 State, and an obscure = fella that records as "Human Mesh Dance". (Taylor 808).=0D
R= ig
From: Jeremy devros <deafrose58@hotmail.com>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
= Sent: Friday, January 13,= 2012 9:11 AM
Subject:= RE: OT: Music suggestions?

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Great lists all.
I add

World Music:=
Tinariwen --Mali
Ali Farke Toure - Mali
Lakshmi Shankar Classical= Raga Vocals
Nusfrat Fateh Ali Khan  / Fannah Fi Allah --Qwalli voc= als

Morton Feldman -mid 20th Century composer
Tweak yer ears on A= lban Berg, Anton Webern, early Schoenberg, Stravinsky

Modern
Jack= ie O Motherfucker --electro noise, free jazz, & folk :  especially= Flags of the Sacred Harp
Bill Laswell  -- several good choices her= e
Kruder & Dorfmeister --K & D Sessions

So much music, so= little time....

J.D.Devros
Portland,OR




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> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 20= 12 19:44:39 -0600
> Subject: OT: Music suggestions?
> From: mar= cusloops@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> =
> I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a littl= e
> bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on=
> a lot of stuff.
>
> Any suggestions for good experime= ntal, world, classic stuff in general?
>
> Big fan of satie, a= rvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive.
>
> Bands/= albums would be cool.
>
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---1118611504-174517647-1326750702=:92428-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 22:11:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7579E18345D; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 908769.41550.bm@omp1048.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326751893; bh=FdaE9nj63oKaC4NbWVdAX8ex6KQOkC/AAfQXx+SjVCE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gC9P7xwk8mMHMurgPVMVdfkanb9zLpvSTHwxhxgc2Pfa8QD2pQDP5WkzUP7vwqdCA1H0By/DUMGaL8Pvd7k/VSNkQHSiqsNey+vZLVfPgxu4yqeRGV6fUWp9Ou0oP95XrAuR15eHPu14jw0mlFTCeHGyxWBABcIlX1NC3QBvI20= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lPnrIVQUQukEJZ65BcPO+lVKvBydtV6gMZhTLGBGushTXECfCFzva9XOarqOoVAi6Qnhmabo1iFWxUfujgiMFlhdoX32sSykvK/ixmrpL6+ossQxsM5sGbaMccDCeendr/J7w+ZyImJxjD0rZSSw1mQfJaCDg83gnipAijqK4Vg=; X-YMail-OSG: D34_VPUVM1nK9SQdHQ0RVIvf8cxy0PNOXM0tOy3LV5fOfHS JnhWbt2dWp9pptBGiZ8HuUeZVE6RyOKyhXrCG15dOPdgJB4FdRIlngsenpUY ADZmQh3HPdozl83xUFTzXbrXcaddrEqepByIE1C032YNFW91PSuDppJ8olmH 3wwHMMv1U.82YXecQMqc1eBOCohtUY5A.Lw8nvnIs7_8cuWomvhpFEdbRBC3 8H0MoTWwvC5nrt.HQThSw5GVMSotIBz_4P_5Ym2xv6zStiMHV62unp81vKhB 4_T71PFBMCWrdJC0lCQvm9jBZbBzvw.cygtcevHH_WURB2ZU8BtPxb48m9XQ T8mhx.PuacULfQY3CxUCEdF6sLnTu9eZxQS0SUMtgvXSdUhgGPg.2UYbXyVf NUmWFPjW_ZmRb2OMlmdcKzV0vMEOtzTad66KberEb.jC0bX1NsIlaqhHaXgW ZJOt79DJnL9CSNTm3w3bxfjpBXoLG30jPH0Goyq2MoB_I.x4UN56B_8Ng7uV h4KXrNA9ylD8YfAdIqZvODl6Ul6mc41YB5zeBeOTCQgX6hwnOh70b_4Uzv68 RsR_R2xYF4QyRIM.BbS.ldgyHLmb1Crq4zx0RnxQAO8jKVWQFQJSMiWku X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <1326750401.34125.YahooMailNeo@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326751893.26653.YahooMailNeo@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:11:33 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Pigtronix 'Infinity' Looper To: bill bigrig , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <1326750401.34125.YahooMailNeo@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-1341523541-1326751893=:26653" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:11:34 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-1341523541-1326751893=:26653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd bet it is in the $479 USD range -=C2=A0maybe less - the Echolution & Mo= thership sell for $479.00.=0A=C2=A0=0AIt does look very interesting.=0A=C2= =A0=0APaul=0A=0AFrom: bill bigrig =0ATo: Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:46 PM=0ASubject= : Re: Pigtronix 'Infinity' Looper=0A=0A=0ASo, how much does it cost? I'm st= arting to think about getting away from my multi synth "arpeggiate/sequence= " loops while doing guitar/vocals through 4 digi-delays with unpredictable = loop times. I'm typically a Roland guy, so, if I go out and buy a looping m= achine, I'm going to buy a Roland out of habit. Everybody feel free to jump= in and set me on the correct path here. ust keep in mind I work with very = limited funds these days. Thanx. =0ARig=0A=0AFrom: Philip Conway =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Frid= ay, January 13, 2012 9:27 AM=0ASubject: Pigtronix 'Infinity' Looper=0A=0ACo= urtesy of: http://www.whatsthatdudeplay.com/2012/01/pigtronix-gets-thrown-f= or-loop=0A=0A"Meet Infinity=E2=80=A6 Pigtronix's take on a robust looper. T= he Infinity boasts discrete analog limiting and transparent pass-thru coupl= ed with seamless recording, playback, dub, undo and redo, on two stereo loo= p pairs.=0A=0AThe pedal's Sync Multi mode provides a multiplier function th= at allows the length of Loop 2 to be one, two, three, four or six times the= length of Loop 1. The pedal features 20 loop presets and one blank canvas.= The loops can also be run out of sync or even in series for verse/chorus s= ong structures, according to the company. The pedal also has an expression = pedal jack for hands free control of overall output and USB access for arch= ival and transfer of your music.=0A=0AThe other new one is called the FAT D= rive =E2=80=93 a thick, touch-sensitive overdrive built around multiple cas= caded gain stages, enabling the pedal to cover sounds ranging from slightly= overdriven to rich saturation. The FAT Drive uses a low pass filter for to= ne shaping. Bringing the tone control all the way clockwise takes this filt= er completely out of the circuit for hearty low end. Rolling the tone contr= ol back smooths out the highs, leaving ample mid-range bloom and bottom end= punch, according to the builder. The pedal's Hi/Lo toggle alters the gain = structure for more crunch. The true-bypass FAT Drive runs off standard 9v p= ower, but ships with an 18v adapter for more headroom and overall output." ---2114655128-1341523541-1326751893=:26653 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd bet it is in the $479 USD range -&nbs= p;maybe less - the Echolution & Mothership sell for $479.00.
 
It does look very in= teresting.
 
Paul

From:= bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 201= 2 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: P= igtronix 'Infinity' Looper

So, how much does it cost? I'm starting to think abo= ut getting away from my multi synth "arpeggiate/sequence" loops while doing= guitar/vocals through 4 digi-delays with unpredictable loop times. I'm typ= ically a Roland guy, so, if I go out and buy a looping machine, I'm going t= o buy a Roland out of habit. Everybody feel free to jump in and set me on t= he correct path here. ust keep in mind I work with very limited funds these= days. Thanx.
Rig
From:= Philip Conway <Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om
Sent: Friday, Januar= y 13, 2012 9:27 AM
Subject:<= /B> Pigtronix 'Infinity' Looper

Courtesy of: http://www= .whatsthatdudeplay.com/2012/01/pigtronix-gets-thrown-for-loop

"Meet = Infinity=E2=80=A6 Pigtronix's take on a robust looper. The Infinity boasts = discrete analog limiting and transparent pass-thru coupled with seamless re= cording, playback, dub, undo and redo, on two stereo loop pairs.

The pedal's= Sync Multi mode provides a multiplier function that allows the length of L= oop 2 to be one, two, three, four or six times the length of Loop 1. The pe= dal features 20 loop presets and one blank canvas. The loops can also be ru= n out of sync or even in series for verse/chorus song structures, according= to the company. The pedal also has an expression pedal jack for hands free= control of overall output and USB access for archival and transfer of your= music.

The other new one is called the FAT Drive =E2=80=93 a thick,= touch-sensitive overdrive built around multiple cascaded gain stages, enab= ling the pedal to cover sounds ranging from slightly overdriven to rich sat= uration. The FAT Drive uses a low pass filter for tone shaping. Bringing th= e tone control all the way clockwise takes this filter completely out of th= e circuit for hearty low end. Rolling the tone control back smooths out the highs, leaving ample mid-range bloom and bottom end punch, according t= o the builder. The pedal's Hi/Lo toggle alters the gain structure for more = crunch. The true-bypass FAT Drive runs off standard 9v power, but ships wit= h an 18v adapter for more headroom and overall output."





---2114655128-1341523541-1326751893=:26653-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 22:22:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FD7918345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zVIJOasNdUH33yci9rFla0oFOQpXJ3surZbpaIIGCi8=; b=CO9gUDa+C6zvaoSU7ElBAP6O6kGAnAVhKmH9kuJPUpE7H9IGRrmdQ61QJm2EsbmZKo eLjAbnoszHEoRLNzFsp00UYkytzm1DnlI8Q2xSePT7RkOjSVD0kI3CQI6sCer4+n+DFI QDL7MBWRKP9gn/wP+Fo/OYv139h3Q1AnPoOdE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87BFC2540BEA034894DE72352E4AB86D0AC5DD4748@SG1RD3XVS151.red003.local> References: <87BFC2540BEA034894DE72352E4AB86D0AC5DD4748@SG1RD3XVS151.red003.local> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:22:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper Delight follow up........Innerclock Systems From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303ea3fefc3d2b04b6aca659 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:22:40 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303ea3fefc3d2b04b6aca659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang, Just forwarding this post from brand new list member David, so everyone will get access to these clarifying links ASAP. Per On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM, David Lackey < dlackey@rolandsystemsgroup.com.au> wrote: > I=E2=80=99ve subscribed Per but can=E2=80=99t seem to post so I hope you = don=E2=80=99t mind this > email to clarify:-**** > > ** ** > > Sample Accurate Midi Clock with Zero Latency is very possible:-**** > > ** ** > > http://innerclocksystems.com/blog/**** > > ** ** > > http://www.innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Our%20Friends.html**** > > ** ** > > Best regards,**** > > ** ** > > David Lackey > www.innerclocksystems.com > --20cf303ea3fefc3d2b04b6aca659 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang,

Just forwarding this post from brand new list member David= , so everyone will get access to these clarifying links ASAP.

Per

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM, David L= ackey <dlackey@rolandsystemsgroup.com.au> wrote:

I=E2=80=99ve subscribed Per but can=E2=80=99t seem t= o post so I hope you don=E2=80=99t mind this email to clarify:-

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Sample Accurate Midi Clock with Zero Latency is very possible:-<= /u>

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--20cf303ea3fefc3d2b04b6aca659-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 22:23:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8ADB18345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 722435584/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.88/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.88 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAGeiFE9YbRtY/2dsb2JhbAAMOKwwhAMBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAG9eokrAQEFAwQNBQsEAgQBBQMCDBEDCQEBBgEFLAEBAQEBAQEBAgECAQEBAQILAgIBAQIIAhAEAQgLAQcEGQ0TCwEIBAQDGwKCP4McBJpPjQM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,520,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="722435584" Message-ID: <4F14A349.4060705@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:23:05 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Innerclock References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> <4F146315.7070902@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > The Yamaha RMX-1, IIRC. > Wonder if Claude is still looping? > > Gary sadly, last time I heard from him he wasn't. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 22:25:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B56D18345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:06:08 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance w musicians and dancers, Friday 01.20.12 Lowell MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Experimental Film Discussion List Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at 119 Gallery (my favorite performance space) with some of my favorite musicians and dancers. I'm particularly excited to work with Junko and Glynis (two of my favorite cello players) together 7:30pm doors 8:00pm a duo: [Lowell] Stephanie Lak - voice, guitar, electronics Walter Wright - electronics, drums 8:30pm a quartet: Dustin Carlson - baritone guitar Joshua Jefferson - reeds Kit Demos - double bass, electronics Walter Wright - electronics 9:15:pm a larger group: Joe Burgio, Betty Wang - movement Glynis Lomon - cello, voice Junko Simons - cello Kit Demos - double bass, electronics with Dr T - video mix 119 Chelmsford St Lowell, MA 01851 http://www.119gallery.org/ My videos, including recordings of some of my performances, can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Culinary note: There is an outstanding Cambodian restaurant next door to the gallery. -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 22:46:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A66A818345E; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hoYdZRoCNzR09ofXNMHgKjwfKfYR5yY/jWSaRakfN6o=; b=Et/uTxMVplIjRGSB7aELR1CXI1xwiyeazwjpH2AhhvXTbu0d9yJJ3caubQ7gR8rzkR 4B9QM4neERE8M6Q+On7VUtSNHsfQtgmU66vJrNgyPUn8uEht1W1fc11Sxgo3z+83sX24 Pq9Tapv9LsRSZ677OzFdsl+g/OfK++PvOxsx8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:46:23 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the tip on Supersilent. Really fantastic stuff. Kevin On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Johannes Korn wrote: > > 2012/1/12 Anders Bergdahl >> >> I have been listening alot to " =A0Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: >> Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen,... >> (listening to Arve at the moment..) >> > > Arve Henriksen is also a member of Supersilent, an improvisational group > that mixes electronic and acoustic sounds. Excellent music. Their albums > have no names and are just numbered. > I very much recommend Supersilent 6 as a starting point, and then all the > others (I think they're at number eleven right now). > > -- > jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com > http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 23:06:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCC6418345B; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=f/I60FSCV6CYP78g4ni70BN88u8/lL27H8wkzv8XQpM=; b=Q/cfI4GwLpGeUflPryudtE5Sq7PLHBd6Il4aUh9XPedqjLQIBm0V3IUvk/AKGC2sAS FAIuLWQG0FoU2vVqY9wg8VKby+3y5FglfTlHWlawjAlNWnobIOZv+w1gWdPoSPDxkSns lVfX2O0v53KVJ1nlhiFt8ncU9Aoo2p37wYYiw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F14A349.4060705@tiscali.co.uk> References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> <4F146315.7070902@tiscali.co.uk> <4F14A349.4060705@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:06:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Innerclock From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:06:20 +0000 (UTC) In my previous post I said that the MIDI Clock sync through IAC seemed to work well syncing Ableton Live to a Mobius looper plugin. I was wrong. After sending in that post I double-checked the new set-up I was working on and the "canned drums" delivered through Live (from iDrum AU plugin) sounded quite bad together with my sync master live loops, Live doesn't cut it. So I deleted all drum stuff from my rig and repelled back to my usual technique of creating rhythm parts as audio layers in the tonal loops - either by vocal beat-boxing through a mic or by strumming a source input instrument - doing that in Mobius is just rock solid. Phew... it felt good to get the groove right again. I know this kind of sync is OT to the original post, but I just had to correct myself in that early-bird post that flew out with incorrect information ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 04:21:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95B2B18345E; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F14F74A.0073,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=fhT/UpLGCVErenvyo3Rrz4zdN09biEzbpvwa6pSN/4U= c=1 sm=1 a=OGJqTNTf-j4A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=VZJG245kic1K6MBxENYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com><4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk><561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com><4F146315.7070902@tiscali.co.uk><4F14A349.4060705@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Sync with multiple tracks (was Innerclock) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:21:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AczUo3ccXvNLaaypS0qNp/EUUbdttQAK79gw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:21:32 +0000 (UTC) One of the nicer things about the 'Rang III is that the sync is rock solid (since it is a multitrack looper). I understand that MIDI sync is being considered for the next software version--that will be worth watching. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 04:33:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47D7218345E; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dX6/xDy0jxkqaJHAaFiOJx1vn2Gea6PXNPc6dYJW0ng=; b=JLD97sRCh7qg1iBsB9ZNhqM6I4Qgcfvn9DpCY7aePXD/J7BFKwQYRflbQoXRtBywdi 1rU/29myDt/TANn/8SBekarPfmrBKnOHHYhg9TkB+xEC6M/ZVYgh6Ki22f+wNbWV8Cow cch//AQIarALYaeAAk0yHg+i/nCb16Ny7sOEE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> <4F146315.7070902@tiscali.co.uk> <4F14A349.4060705@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:33:38 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sync with multiple tracks (was Innerclock) From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04374abbcb567804b6b1d5bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:33:40 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04374abbcb567804b6b1d5bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd grab one immediately if he adds midi sync. For now, it's ableton. On Jan 16, 2012 10:21 PM, "Clayton Gary Lehmann" wrote: > One of the nicer things about the 'Rang III is that the sync is rock solid > (since it is a multitrack looper). > I understand that MIDI sync is being considered for the next software > version--that will be worth watching. > Gary > > --f46d04374abbcb567804b6b1d5bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'd grab one immediately if he adds midi sync.

For now, it's ableton.

On Jan 16, 2012 10:21 PM, "Clayton Gary Leh= mann" <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
One of the nicer things about the 'Rang III is that the sync is rock so= lid
(since it is a multitrack looper).
I understand that MIDI sync is being considered for the next software
version--that will be worth watching.
Gary

--f46d04374abbcb567804b6b1d5bd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 04:46:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23B818345B; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=6hJ9EABYtftmsO8kP7rHuvajftgrN7xoxTy4u43EcpM=; b=fwZfoAvVcyVuUn7HeI4zieeoHMTU9ZxdyeiAyEMHXtLkdktzcIqGLVryToywV99Gu3 W4qqDRV3Owt8Q4JDsUbuOsOnVcEduNcVapcg2AjxlFg2ftibYYdPV1kVgyblkK95vjN1 EL7kk5j3wR6NbhAwHWkJMvtWvz9giTpi5/jo4= Subject: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:46:35 -0800 To: LD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <91aa2.A.FuB.v0PFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:46:39 +0000 (UTC) I've always, for one, wondered how the process of copyrighting your music go= es. But I also wonder is it worth copyrighting something totally improvised?= =20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 04:56:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50970183460; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-576624171 Subject: Re: Sync with multiple tracks (was Innerclock) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:56:14 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> <4F146315.7070902@tiscali.co.uk> <4F14A349.4060705@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <11E8DF3B-77BE-4822-A9DB-C0B786B89501@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:56:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-576624171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If the problem is busy traffic on the master DAW's hardware, then MIDI = sync on the Rang ought to be just as fraught as MIDI sync on the LP-1 = (with Ableton as master), right? Sync is rock solid in the LP-1 too, but = partnership with the DAW is, to my mind, unusable... On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > I'd grab one immediately if he adds midi sync. >=20 > For now, it's ableton. >=20 > On Jan 16, 2012 10:21 PM, "Clayton Gary Lehmann" wrote: > One of the nicer things about the 'Rang III is that the sync is rock = solid > (since it is a multitrack looper). > I understand that MIDI sync is being considered for the next software > version--that will be worth watching. > Gary >=20 --Apple-Mail-3-576624171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii If the problem is busy traffic on the master DAW's hardware, then MIDI sync on the Rang ought to be just as fraught as MIDI sync on the LP-1 (with Ableton as master), right? Sync is rock solid in the LP-1 too, but partnership with the DAW is, to my mind, unusable...



On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote:

I'd grab one immediately if he adds midi sync.

For now, it's ableton.

On Jan 16, 2012 10:21 PM, "Clayton Gary Lehmann" <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
One of the nicer things about the 'Rang III is that the sync is rock solid
(since it is a multitrack looper).
I understand that MIDI sync is being considered for the next software
version--that will be worth watching.
Gary


--Apple-Mail-3-576624171-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 06:48:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9BEA183452; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JPkE1p++4Fm1tg0S1hd9b83xRtVmdMD6beZIkIpx3DM=; b=J5TsovF3239qxYwC2n9VmBo7HrYZlRaBDnx4GQiVOfgzlgqMgwHqP+cmkgGOs+TzFG zcN+6hREayxb36Mqazxw5JXq6WjREkOMnG3baQnNxaeiSS/pjP8c61JeY9PCmh1+Ink8 EI6rwnNMtTksJiiPfg7UvJT+n9FxSsFLNI3uY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:48:20 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f26e804b6a04b6b3b738 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:48:21 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0447f26e804b6a04b6b3b738 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Gmail, This site explains it pretty easily: http://www.wikihow.com/Copyright-a-Song Registering the copyright doesn't in itself give you the copyright to the song. That's yours as soon as you create it. However, it does help a great deal when it comes to proving that someone has violated your copyright. You don't need a score to register - you can do so with a recording. So, being an improviser doesn't mean you can't copyright. There are also alternative copyrights known as "Creative Commons", which allow some uses but not others. (For example, saying it's ok to use your music in a film as long as they give you credit.) These don't have a registration process at all. You just put the desired CC notice on your work. More information here: http://creativecommons.org/ There are multiple levels of intellectual property use that copyright allegedly protects you from. I say allegedly because many of these things do happen to artists, legal or not. Registering your copyright is one thing - pursuing legal action against violators would be another. Anyway, here's a bunch of different levels of copyright violation: 1) Someone could release recordings of your music under a different band name, on a different record label. 2) Someone could release recordings of your own music with your name without your permission, keep all the money from it. (Invisible Records famously did this with Psychic TV recently.) 3) Someone could use your music for a film or dance performance. (I found out last year that I was credited as a composer for a dance performance in NYC, and when I emailed the organization to find out what was up, they didn't respond.) 4) Someone could remix your music, giving you credit for the song and themselves credit for the mix. 5) Someone could sample your music and make something really creative and different with it. 6) Someone could sample your music in a completely unoriginal way that feels like a rip off. (Think "Ice Ice Baby".) 7) Someone might sample your music into a song, with lyrics that you'd find objectionable. --Sampling might be credited or not credited. (In my experience, only a few artists list their samples, out of fear of being sued. Many major label acts list their samples, but they also pay the licensing fees for them.) -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Gmail wrote: > I've always, for one, wondered how the process of copyrighting your music > goes. But I also wonder is it worth copyrighting something totally > improvised? > --f46d0447f26e804b6a04b6b3b738 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Gmail,

This site explains it pretty easily:
http://www.wikihow.com/Copyright-a-Son= g

Registering the copyright doesn't in itself give you the c= opyright to the song. That's yours as soon as you create it. However, i= t does help a great deal when it comes to proving that someone has violated= your copyright. You don't need a score to register - you can do so wit= h a recording. So, being an improviser doesn't mean you can't copyr= ight.

There are also alternative copyrights known as "Creative Commons&q= uot;, which allow some uses but not others. (For example, saying it's o= k to use your music in a film as long as they give you credit.) These don&#= 39;t have a registration process at all. You just put the desired CC notice= on your work. More information here: http://creativecommons.org/

There are multiple levels of intellectual property use that copyright a= llegedly protects you from. I say allegedly because many of these things do= happen to artists, legal or not. Registering your copyright is one thing -= pursuing legal action against violators would be another.

Anyway, here's a bunch of different levels of copyright violation: =
1) Someone could release recordings of your music under a different ban= d name, on a different record label.
2) Someone could release recording= s of your own music with your name without your permission, keep all the mo= ney from it. (Invisible Records famously did this with Psychic TV recently.= )
3) Someone could use your music for a film or dance performance. (I found o= ut last year that I was credited as a composer for a dance performance in N= YC, and when I emailed the organization to find out what was up, they didn&= #39;t respond.)
4) Someone could remix your music, giving you credit for the song and thems= elves credit for the mix.
5) Someone could sample your music and make so= mething really creative and different with it.
6) Someone could sample = your music in a completely unoriginal way that feels like a rip off. (Think= "Ice Ice Baby".)
7) Someone might sample your music into a song, with lyrics that you'd = find objectionable.
--Sampling might be credited or not credited. (In my= experience, only a few artists list their samples, out of fear of being su= ed. Many major label acts list their samples, but they also pay the licensi= ng fees for them.)


--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosome= matt.podomatic.com
http= ://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

= On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
I've always, for one, wondered how the p= rocess of copyrighting your music goes. But I also wonder is it worth copyr= ighting something totally improvised?



--f46d0447f26e804b6a04b6b3b738-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 07:11:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF5D18345B; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BOx35F/6Q3uMP5wWIsC4FCTJLTN4+gt5P1FDuaSH+lQ=; b=rVQZIofBLIM8vn6e/qb3K0F5w8y2+TQDWVKYKQeJ2TuJU9fAhqo6n5tOadajYOMHz9 GAQJAWlYq3SYezXvp87aRP62eV7UBRJCMAGAl9sXnL56QO37jo2ha0GVcAhVJulqqEde 9YO8gxI2cVvBkZOlnR3U6cdjcRAmf8StmQIBA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:11:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: prodyon livemachine From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:11:03 +0000 (UTC) prodyon livemachine vst multitrack looper http://prodyon.kilu.de/livemachine.html -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 09:20:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FAB318345C; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F153D51.6030504@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:20:17 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: Music suggestions? References: <1326750702.92428.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1326750702.92428.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:20:27 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, bill bigrig wrote: > Well, I've got to open my big,,, whatever it is you open on these > forums, and throw in Future Sounds of London, Loop Guru, Orb, a BIG > 10-4 on Boards of Canada, Blue Nile. Oh, I used to love Future Sounds of London. I wasn't too thrilled with their last release, however.............what ever happened to that really creative group. and here are some of my favorite world music/fusion artist releases Bill Laswell (especially the brilliant and darkly minimal mixture of the Blues and Indian music "Hear No Evil") Jon Hassell (brilliant avant garde trumpet player, one of his earliest but I was so influenced by his record with Brian Eno - "Fourth World, part 1" Nicky Skopelitis "Ekstasis" Not Drowning, Waving and Telek and the musicians of Papua New Guinea "Tabaran" Transglobal Underground "International Times" Steven Sheehan and Bally Othmani "Assourouf" (this is a stunning mixture of middleeastern and western sounds) Martin Simpson (with Madagascar's Tarika Sammy and moi) "Cool and Unusual" Peter Gabriel "Passion" Codona "Codona 2" (wonderful acoustic fusion record with Nana Vasconcellos, the late Colin Walcott from Oregon and the late, Don Cherry) Shakti "Shakti" * John McLaughlin -Guitar * L. Shankar -Violin * R. Raghavan -Mridangam * T. H. Vinayakaram -Ghatam andMridangam * Zakir Hussain -Tabla Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 12:07:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8B9E183461; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=fDcILfkICaTaKWzst81ULpeJiVUS1BZlvXGv9eVn00o=; b=HXheEaNgfhpL6dtVtTBXXm39GQohD6yulsylu49sjgqLECiYnHGHuvw9Gdf3MoA34T b1XrDA2iZlalxUm6NYxBiXdlCDNM4Zfx5Yn4i0JDvBbAc+dAkjh4ZWwinW4TwWqDbC6w fEaCLxYpCdI/xDHOkhRQZsqdLHjPkqYma/HVQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:07:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rK04gtCm3DJ_N4B-d-QHEk1PGBk Message-ID: Subject: GR55 The Power of Assigns To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6438c2410ea004b6b82e45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:07:53 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6438c2410ea004b6b82e45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LD, Just wanted to report an incredible breakthru regarding the missing link, TouchOSC and the GR55. I know that Per has been into the GR=B4s Assign page for a while, but for me it was quite daunting, as I didnt really know how to use it. Not without a bunch of pedals at least. My FCB1010 is already stuffed full with clever banks, I cant remember any more. So I made a very simple interface on TouchOSC, just 4 sliders and made them send CCs on channel 5. Set the GR55 to channel 5 and then went into a very big pad patch I have and set 4 different parameters on the Assign page, including setting the target to be the same CC numbers.. and voila, now I have almost unlimited control of the GR55. There is a maximum of 8 Assigns on the GR so there's a limit... So now Ive made one with 8 sliders, and it anyone wants it, you can have it, Ive put it on the missing link forum: http://wifimidi.com/discussion-forum/ and the thread is Board index =BB User Contributed OSC Templates =BB Roland GR-55 Editor (TouchOSC) Sorry dont know how to quote a forum thread URL --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f6438c2410ea004b6b82e45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LD,

Just wanted to report an incredible breakthru regarding the m= issing link, TouchOSC and the GR55. I know that Per has been into the GR=B4= s Assign page for a while, but for me it was quite daunting, as I didnt rea= lly know how to use it. Not without a bunch of pedals at least. My FCB1010 = is already stuffed full with clever banks, I cant remember any more.

So I made a very simple interface on TouchOSC, just 4 sliders and made = them send CCs on channel 5. Set the GR55 to channel 5 and then went into a = very big pad patch I have and set 4 different parameters on the Assign page= , including setting the target to be the same CC numbers.. and voila, now I= have almost unlimited control of the GR55.
There is a maximum of 8 Assigns on the GR so there's a limit...

= So now Ive made one with 8 sliders, and it anyone wants it, you can have it= , Ive put it on the missing link forum:

http://wifimidi.com/discussion-forum/

and the thread is

Board index =BB User Contributed OSC Templates = =BB Roland GR-55 Editor (TouchOSC)

Sorry dont k= now how to quote a forum thread URL





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--e89a8f6438c2410ea004b6b82e45-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 12:09:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53C5F183464; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kT3uyCnjEyjS8qNBJBWCDW92H0omfXLVffovh/WI4L0=; b=McB6efrGEVVAaJswnBlo5ECJYyBlkYnB/RivrpWobN8jZLRzKRMgaWym2KB7wXUQxE eTDMjYOCda3MGFv60ItZQwAJUcP0DlqFTGs6O5yoievqNkNmdyxK+GIaWRX1rA+3AnZP OG5gmS/kzXjzee67ohlUre/4IicI8rciUVnOM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:09:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:09:21 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Gmail wrote: > I've always, for one, wondered how the process of copyrighting your music goes. But I also wonder is it worth copyrighting something totally improvised? About receiving compensation as the creator when your improvised works are being used: I talked to both my PRO and independent publishing partners about this and the rule in all territories (countries) is that you need to register improvisations as compositions. This may seem weird at first, but If thinking about it there isn't something like a defined border between composition and improvisation. A composition can very well contain directions for an improvisation to be carried out, like for example the extreme "play anything". A registered composition needs to have a name and a duration time. Some genre tagging may also be asked for. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 12:09:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11FD418345F; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=dUZpyD4Nmueo7Reb09rDw/hk5LJLmkp0AHC0mUl3tbE=; b=Znt/19nHP9cByL+BOo6x6b1D3rrFrbKDUPIq3H2MMach9syJ/w5cq2pW6FPaPH2pwp F3wnwnZpZYiIrgUm+JBWQPlJjOt+K6SvxB8xB8Grt5oRlm8hdEtHtfJk5kO826C5bxcs IBm7KCnG/41D+ZUg9yvq6D4dzj0QdoXrTRZS0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:09:31 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Ae7BJ5d5VAIe0Jnunad2KCu5XX4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6438c258d16304b6b8358e Resent-Message-ID: <0DKWIB.A.R-G.RUWFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:09:53 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6438c258d16304b6b8358e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Thanks for the tip on Supersilent. Really fantastic stuff. > > Kevin > > I concur on Supersilent, never bought a recording, but wow are they phenomenal live!!! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f6438c258d16304b6b8358e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Kevin = Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the tip on Supersilent. =A0Really fantastic stuff.

Kevin


I concur on Supersilent, never bought a = recording, but wow are they phenomenal live!!!


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--e89a8f6438c258d16304b6b8358e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 12:18:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C876183461; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zR3LM24fgS69L/NoHK3fW9LsXE/nYap9UI967nLAySs=; b=UXUc+IQe0DQuBK5UkA5k7vJ8xlzXxZhleaeABMpjAlyoS6ZAOgkxwZ0XQG9yCTyZfa AeIeVhmf8Xfu51u4w4udWemWHgXWk0eroXNn8+wAh6qRdQVDxFO/et2vSqnReqvvO1ao LGEZyl6x99i4jvSG09rSDfhwb9AOMv2WUVYfI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:18:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:18:49 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: >> >> Thanks for the tip on Supersilent. =C2=A0Really fantastic stuff. >> >> Kevin >> > > I concur on Supersilent, never bought a recording, but wow are they > phenomenal live!!! They gigged at the Pr=C3=A9sences Electronique 2011 when I played there with Erdem. Funny thing was that "trumpet guy" Arve Henriksen was playing a drum kit most of their concert. No "beats" just A MASSIVE THUNDER. They were my fav on that festival, together with Biosphere (did anyone mention him? Both fantastic Norwegian acts) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 12:22:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 109FA18345F; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=bb40ZCgNaQMQK0vQBPB6L9dAZrZElTZHt7vljOACExY=; b=e6hDyX7yGR5YjPkzsTfQR4RjVnj1ElwQxyFi+Z9lxotxrhF9hDlMn+qxLw8l7tR6Fi 2WPNmZYbbF5ZI8poyBTSXqZJJ49t0Dq8iGfsQmLB0rgUA1whPkTRQUWovxExHy34DjsI Un0XDjrmtQe1NuV8EKIv1HF7xFs2NQieOCh5A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:22:28 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: k6p07bB6EJ_xGkMUy88luY5Z8kI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444eda1a979f204b6b86383 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:22:49 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444eda1a979f204b6b86383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: ...you need to register improvisations as compositions. Interestingly this might not be the case from one country to another, however Per. The US does use a quite different system from us I believe. There is no doubt that COPYRIGHT, exists for you the moment you record or write a piece, but thats not what we=B4re talking about is it? In so far as Performing rights is concerned, I just recently registered a bunch of recordings with my Perfoming Rights society here in Norway. Thats TONO (Same for you Per?) they have a little checkbox for IMPROVISED . Now I DIDNT click it, and funnily enough, yesterday got a mail from them inquiering if a couple were really compositions OR were they in fact improvisations, they had noticed the running time, 45 minutes. Now Im STILL not sure what that means in terms of what money I may or may not recieve if anyone used that piece for something, the same I think, but why categorize it differently...? So I have to say that I gave a waffelly reply, that although the pieces could be said to contain parts of an improvisational nature, they pieces were carefully researched and often heavily edited afterwards. This is true, many pieces start as an improv, but I often overdub new material... cut out the crap... snip bits... reverse bits... overlap bits... All I know is that there is an unknown sneaky video editor at NRK (Norwegian TV channel) who is using some of my music on an ident... obviously one of my friends, but who..? and they need to pay me!!! MArk On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Gmail wrote: > > I've always, for one, wondered how the process of copyrighting your > music goes. But I also wonder is it worth copyrighting something totally > improvised? > > > About receiving compensation as the creator when your improvised works > are being used: > > I talked to both my PRO and independent publishing partners about this > and the rule in all territories (countries) is that you need to > register improvisations as compositions. This may seem weird at first, > but If thinking about it there isn't something like a defined border > between composition and improvisation. A composition can very well > contain directions for an improvisation to be carried out, like for > example the extreme "play anything". A registered composition needs to > have a name and a duration time. Some genre tagging may also be asked > for. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d0444eda1a979f204b6b86383 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:<per>
...you need to register improvisations as compositions.</per>

Interestingly this might not be the case from one country to another, h= owever Per. The US does use a quite different system from us I believe. The= re is no doubt that COPYRIGHT, exists for you the moment you record or writ= e a piece, but thats not what we=B4re talking about is it?

In so far as Performing rights is concerned, I just recently registered= a bunch of recordings with my Perfoming Rights society here in Norway. Tha= ts TONO (Same for you Per?) they have a little checkbox for IMPROVISED . No= w I DIDNT click it, and funnily enough, yesterday got a mail from them inqu= iering if a couple were really compositions OR were they in fact improvisat= ions, they had noticed the running time, 45 minutes. Now Im STILL not sure = what that means in terms of what money I may or may not recieve if anyone u= sed that piece for something, the same I think, but why categorize it diffe= rently...?

So I have to say that I gave a waffelly reply, that although the pieces= could be said to contain parts of an improvisational nature, they pieces w= ere carefully researched and often heavily edited afterwards. This is true,= many pieces start as an improv, but I often overdub new material... cut ou= t the crap... snip bits... reverse bits... overlap bits...

All I know is that there is an unknown sneaky video editor at NRK (Norw= egian TV channel) who is using some of my music on an ident... obviously on= e of my friends, but who..? and they need to pay me!!!


MArk



On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per= Boysen <perboy= sen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've always, for one, wondered how the process of copyrighting you= r music goes. But I also wonder is it worth copyrighting something totally = improvised?


About receiving compensation as the creator when your improvised work= s
are being used:

I talked to both my PRO and independent publishing partners about this
and the rule in all territories (countries) is that you need to
register improvisations as compositions. This may seem weird at first,
but If thinking about it there isn't something like a defined border between composition and improvisation. A composition can very well
contain =A0directions for an improvisation to be carried out, like for
example the extreme "play anything". A registered composition nee= ds to
have a name and a duration time. Some genre tagging may also be asked
for.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




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= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--f46d0444eda1a979f204b6b86383-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 12:27:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4845318345D; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cg/hG16BSs1+Sw7ICaJB4ozwjYdGuJeNEN4XsvkHHW8=; b=fmxgJYWxQ5CmDvueR3BySqMYVYFV87vOeGgZfNvFCKAtIRbsjZzP9MEb95Ig5paP8y S65yaIcxnbET4BTNZ0TUnMoT4xfXU46+w1mD3AmgHgsNA1Ul2jXiK14R2jXeg46wDQ7p CyHiezhLS1YXHnu8Q7mliDWzBijLO+8N9qKt4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <11E8DF3B-77BE-4822-A9DB-C0B786B89501@gmail.com> References: <550F09EF-1507-4E7B-9A4A-FBDF6EE0A4CE@gmail.com> <4F141FFC.9070605@tiscali.co.uk> <561DBBB2-B263-44FD-A21E-DDC1351E74C2@gmail.com> <4F146315.7070902@tiscali.co.uk> <4F14A349.4060705@tiscali.co.uk> <11E8DF3B-77BE-4822-A9DB-C0B786B89501@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:27:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sync with multiple tracks (was Innerclock) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:27:07 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > If the problem is busy traffic on the master DAW's hardware, then MIDI sync > on the Rang ought to be just as fraught as MIDI sync on the LP-1 (with > Ableton as master), right? Sync is rock solid in the LP-1 too, but > partnership with the DAW is, to my mind, unusable... I would guess so too. I once achieved good sync when slaving an EDP to a computer based DAW. But I was not using MID Clock, I was using analog sync pulse. As I carried out the first project recording on the EDP I was recording its output sync pulses on an audio track in the DAW. For laying down the rest of the EDP tracks into the DAW I switched the EDP into the slave role and it followed accurately all the way. I never bothered with the DAW's time grid in that project, maybe that was the secret for success ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 12:50:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A308E18345A; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TneA/9t2JUSdU2nGZzRGz+FM7RGO7w2cGgqx0raZeLM=; b=K1CqevOiENJxUyYKanARerxYk/D0h6hVmEs2rMsHXHyBh+t8HZow1QEvfoM2uB+cDA iFSYqg1uGKghVSu2ItV1U1AF1KiswkYkr5Yh9TEkZh7uB5FE8u4egplsDDQ11YkOoGzE awvfIsBO+vcuVpjIgWDj7txYQ/9/vx2X9ZDaY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:50:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2KwbrD.A.x3H.U6WFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:50:29 +0000 (UTC) I didn't know that about TONO! I'm affiliated with STIM here and STIM doesn't apply special regulations to improvised vs composed music - but well some genre specific targeting (different genres being compensated according different tariffs - yes, a grey area). A (different) new thing with STIM is that you can register work as "Library", meaning you compose it for specific use in media and not to be offered the public market. That's for producing composers that want to sell their work directly business-to-business wise to music users. I don't use that option though, as I have decided to work with an independent media music publishing house that handles STIM on one side and on the other side promotes my music on B2B market. I guess that is better in the long run. Related rant: Sometimes you hear people say that improvised music should be compensated at a lower rate than composed for the reason that "it only takes three minutes to perform a three minute piece of improvised music while three minutes composed music might have been worked on for a year". I thing this attitude is a misconception based on ignorance. In the real world no one is born out of nowhere with an instant ability to create music on the spot. If an artist wants to spend ten years developing this ability it just as an important preparation as another artist that might use ten years to "think up" ten specific musical pieces. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > ...you need to register improvisations as compositions. > > > Interestingly this might not be the case from one country to another, > however Per. The US does use a quite different system from us I believe. > There is no doubt that COPYRIGHT, exists for you the moment you record or > write a piece, but thats not what we=C2=B4re talking about is it? > > In so far as Performing rights is concerned, I just recently registered a > bunch of recordings with my Perfoming Rights society here in Norway. That= s > TONO (Same for you Per?) they have a little checkbox for IMPROVISED . Now= I > DIDNT click it, and funnily enough, yesterday got a mail from them > inquiering if a couple were really compositions OR were they in fact > improvisations, they had noticed the running time, 45 minutes. Now Im STI= LL > not sure what that means in terms of what money I may or may not recieve = if > anyone used that piece for something, the same I think, but why categoriz= e > it differently...? > > So I have to say that I gave a waffelly reply, that although the pieces > could be said to contain parts of an improvisational nature, they pieces > were carefully researched and often heavily edited afterwards. This is tr= ue, > many pieces start as an improv, but I often overdub new material... cut o= ut > the crap... snip bits... reverse bits... overlap bits... > > All I know is that there is an unknown sneaky video editor at NRK (Norweg= ian > TV channel) who is using some of my music on an ident... obviously one of= my > friends, but who..? and they need to pay me!!! > > > MArk > > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Gmail wrote: >> > I've always, for one, wondered how the process of copyrighting your >> > music goes. But I also wonder is it worth copyrighting something total= ly >> > improvised? >> >> >> About receiving compensation as the creator when your improvised works >> are being used: >> >> I talked to both my PRO and independent publishing partners about this >> and the rule in all territories (countries) is that you need to >> register improvisations as compositions. This may seem weird at first, >> but If thinking about it there isn't something like a defined border >> between composition and improvisation. A composition can very well >> contain =C2=A0directions for an improvisation to be carried out, like fo= r >> example the extreme "play anything". A registered composition needs to >> have a name and a duration time. Some genre tagging may also be asked >> for. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 13:07:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAF1D18345F; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <90FAF436DE774C49A08D35A051BC7562@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:07:56 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CCD519.07D24060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:07:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CCD519.07D24060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me posit a query for discussion on this then. The big music = publishers (and the not-so-big ones) with catalogues to protect have = people on-board that listen to new releases, in the event someone has = sampled something from their catalog without permission. They = wouldn=E2=80=99t do this without the expectation that as the = owners-as-such of the work, they have the right (and the lawyer power of = course) to go after anyone infringing their Intellectual Property. >From our viewpoint, consider that we make our own recordings, and in = them bits and pieces that will be used in future compositions, = perhaps... but they=E2=80=99re still our recordings, and under our = copyright umbrella-as-such. So the aspect of =E2=80=98improvised vs = composed=E2=80=99 is almost irrelevant for the purposes of protecting = your property. In some situations this might have to be argued in = court, but it remains to be seen. And there have been rare occasions = where a case has actually been brought forward, so what do you think? From: mark francombe=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: ...you need to register improvisations as compositions. Interestingly this might not be the case from one country to another, = however Per. The US does use a quite different system from us I believe. = There is no doubt that COPYRIGHT, exists for you the moment you record = or write a piece, but thats not what we=C2=B4re talking about is it? In so far as Performing rights is concerned, I just recently registered = a bunch of recordings with my Perfoming Rights society here in Norway. = Thats TONO (Same for you Per?) they have a little checkbox for = IMPROVISED . Now I DIDNT click it, and funnily enough, yesterday got a = mail from them inquiering if a couple were really compositions OR were = they in fact improvisations, they had noticed the running time, 45 = minutes. Now Im STILL not sure what that means in terms of what money I = may or may not recieve if anyone used that piece for something, the same = I think, but why categorize it differently...?=20 So I have to say that I gave a waffelly reply, that although the pieces = could be said to contain parts of an improvisational nature, they pieces = were carefully researched and often heavily edited afterwards. This is = true, many pieces start as an improv, but I often overdub new = material... cut out the crap... snip bits... reverse bits... overlap = bits... All I know is that there is an unknown sneaky video editor at NRK = (Norwegian TV channel) who is using some of my music on an ident... = obviously one of my friends, but who..? and they need to pay me!!! MArk On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Gmail wrote: > I've always, for one, wondered how the process of copyrighting your = music goes. But I also wonder is it worth copyrighting something totally = improvised? About receiving compensation as the creator when your improvised works are being used: I talked to both my PRO and independent publishing partners about this and the rule in all territories (countries) is that you need to register improvisations as compositions. This may seem weird at first, but If thinking about it there isn't something like a defined border between composition and improvisation. A composition can very well contain directions for an improvisation to be carried out, like for example the extreme "play anything". A registered composition needs to have a name and a duration time. Some genre tagging may also be asked for. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CCD519.07D24060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let me posit a query for discussion on this then.  The big = music=20 publishers (and the not-so-big ones) with catalogues to protect have = people=20 on-board that listen to new releases, in the event someone has sampled = something=20 from their catalog without permission.  They wouldn=E2=80=99t do = this without the=20 expectation that as the owners-as-such of the work, they have the right = (and the=20 lawyer power of course) to go after anyone infringing their Intellectual = Property.
 
From our viewpoint, consider that we make our own recordings, and = in them=20 bits and pieces that will be used in future compositions, perhaps... but = they=E2=80=99re=20 still our recordings, and under our copyright umbrella-as-such.  So = the=20 aspect of =E2=80=98improvised vs composed=E2=80=99 is almost irrelevant = for the purposes of=20 protecting your property.  In some situations this might have to be = argued=20 in court, but it remains to be seen.  And there have been rare = occasions=20 where a case has actually been brought forward, so what do you = think?
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music
 
On=20 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
<per>
...you need to register improvisations as=20 compositions.
</per>

Interestingly this might not be the = case=20 from one country to another, however Per. The US does use a quite = different=20 system from us I believe. There is no doubt that COPYRIGHT, exists for = you the=20 moment you record or write a piece, but thats not what we=C2=B4re = talking about is=20 it?

In so far as Performing rights is concerned, I just recently=20 registered a bunch of recordings with my Perfoming Rights society here = in=20 Norway. Thats TONO (Same for you Per?) they have a little checkbox for=20 IMPROVISED . Now I DIDNT click it, and funnily enough, yesterday got a = mail from=20 them inquiering if a couple were really compositions OR were they in = fact=20 improvisations, they had noticed the running time, 45 minutes. Now Im = STILL not=20 sure what that means in terms of what money I may or may not recieve if = anyone=20 used that piece for something, the same I think, but why categorize it=20 differently...?

So I have to say that I gave a waffelly reply, = that=20 although the pieces could be said to contain parts of an improvisational = nature,=20 they pieces were carefully researched and often heavily edited = afterwards. This=20 is true, many pieces start as an improv, but I often overdub new = material... cut=20 out the crap... snip bits... reverse bits... overlap bits...

All = I know=20 is that there is an unknown sneaky video editor at NRK (Norwegian TV = channel)=20 who is using some of my music on an ident... obviously one of my = friends, but=20 who..? and they need to pay me!!!


MArk



On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> = wrote:
> I've=20 always, for one, wondered how the process of copyrighting your music = goes. But=20 I also wonder is it worth copyrighting something totally=20 improvised?


About receiving compensation as the = creator when=20 your improvised works
are being used:

I talked to both my = PRO and=20 independent publishing partners about this
and the rule in all = territories=20 (countries) is that you need to
register improvisations as = compositions.=20 This may seem weird at first,
but If thinking about it there isn't=20 something like a defined border
between composition and = improvisation. A=20 composition can very well
contain  directions for an = improvisation to=20 be carried out, like for
example the extreme "play anything". A = registered=20 composition needs to
have a name and a duration time. Some genre = tagging=20 may also be asked
for.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen



--
Mark=20 Francombe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.comhttp://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CCD519.07D24060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 13:30:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F3B218345B; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oTdNEIQ9LvkA7eKboVvN3YfMD67hiPiM3YcGlixLi2M=; b=HvhceC1c4ekWfC0VFR4IDN5xjFCOMn4SqTmlJqkIFlHmTLotmeNJzoXlNSAOQ68CGv pjhwqbyQMNT+kB4OfudPVxSFT25hDlTL7E7uG5t6c2ZKeKY6aXvz2Spc1hhi1FXZhYMH +/XDdkEfVqN0xxV8pHyL22GPZ/zunzttV16x0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:30:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GR55 The Power of Assigns From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Very inspiring to read about Mark's experiences with touch screen control. BTW, there is this "Mix 16" layout that comes bundled wit TouchOSC that offers two 8 fader mixers, among other things. I'd like to use that one on my iPhone. Just need to find a good solution for temporarily mounting the iPhone on the Stick. I'm already very keen on using the GK-3's volume knob and two buttons for controlling sound parameters. To me touch-screen on the instrument is of almost equal usability rate as my trusty Gordius MIDI pedal. My issue with touch-screens, that you have to look at them in order to use them, isn't that blatant if mounted on the instrument you carry on your body. BTW, yesterday Xavier announced that the Gordius will soon support both long and short presses on each switch! That will double its deepness in tweakness, let us Gordius users put twenty function into each ten switches bank. Will be nice not having to shoe-gaze that much for bank switching. The above is of course related to doing improvised electronic music. When performing a fixed set you could as well put most of your commands into Ableton Live to be duly sent out for the receiving devices. I have recently enjoyed several peak experiences associated with Max For Live, for a laptop aided musician quite similar to what the Assigns Window means for the GR-55; an open window to unlimited horizons :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:07 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > Hi LD, > > Just wanted to report an incredible breakthru regarding the missing link, > TouchOSC and the GR55. I know that Per has been into the GR=C2=B4s Assign= page > for a while, but for me it was quite daunting, as I didnt really know how= to > use it. Not without a bunch of pedals at least. My FCB1010 is already > stuffed full with clever banks, I cant remember any more. > > So I made a very simple interface on TouchOSC, just 4 sliders and made th= em > send CCs on channel 5. Set the GR55 to channel 5 and then went into a ver= y > big pad patch I have and set 4 different parameters on the Assign page, > including setting the target to be the same CC numbers.. and voila, now I > have almost unlimited control of the GR55. > There is a maximum of 8 Assigns on the GR so there's a limit... > > So now Ive made one with 8 sliders, and it anyone wants it, you can have = it, > Ive put it on the missing link forum: > > http://wifimidi.com/discussion-forum/ > > and the thread is > > Board index =C2=BB User Contributed OSC Templates =C2=BB Roland GR-55 Edi= tor > (TouchOSC) > > Sorry dont know how to quote a forum thread URL > > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 13:37:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49DD318345D; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F15799A.70000@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:37:30 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: Music suggestions? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:37:40 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > They were my fav on that festival, together with Biosphere > (did anyone mention him? Both fantastic Norwegian acts) Thanks for turning me onto this, Per. Geir Jenssen was, to me, the genius behind Bel Canto's first two beautiful records..........his ability to match sounds from acoustic music and electronic music and sampling was just exquisite and way ahead of his time, if you ask me. I rooted for them but honestly thought the band really got bland after he left even though the singer has a beautiful and haunting voice. I've always wondered what he went on to so to discover him again is a real treat for me. He apparently, lives 900 km ABOVE the Arctic Circle in a town called Trommso, Norway................anyone remember WHITE OUT CONDITION from Bel Canto.............it said "recorded in the dark" in the record.......wow! Coincidentally, Bill's and my mom's maiden name was Jensen, so we are probably incredibly distant cousins that go back hundreds of years. Thanks! rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 16:46:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6576B18345D; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:45:58 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:46:01 +0000 (UTC) I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and he = said he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." It's a = continuum. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 18:41:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E22EE18345E; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=z+Gxdh7/HqAx59jtJS206/AkX1Cb8wtPnR6MP0I4axE=; b=wj0cWOyGYhTlQxPc6udeuaEMfpxK8IPDKiEjJKwt3AxiGE9SNvwSNdmrFrH74TLq56 zhI4RXeIMVoChU7747Ay1ufx5hkQTo+it5WTy5Fcr6/NICIpaMzIupBKOl1cxCrBzgOp Izlh53gQhwSFHgMFG5MDwBiR8uPdLnacveymI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:41:20 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Spam/quick sale: black edp From: Marcus Kirby To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ed5f6345b104b6bdad89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:41:21 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ed5f6345b104b6bdad89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Need to sell this asap. Would like $530 ship/pp from kansas city. Black edp+, some rack rash on top and bottom. Comes with footswitch, but the record and overdub buttons need to be replaced. The edp itself works great, just needs some tlc or a behringer fcb. Will negotiate. --f46d0444ed5f6345b104b6bdad89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Need to sell this asap. Would like $530 ship/pp from kansas city. Black = edp+, some rack rash on top and bottom. Comes with footswitch, but the reco= rd and overdub buttons need to be replaced. The edp itself works great, jus= t needs some tlc or a behringer fcb.

Will negotiate.

--f46d0444ed5f6345b104b6bdad89-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 18:56:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1BD018345C; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <824BA07B-76B5-415E-9C75-C2F710A058B2@aol.com> From: openjam@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Start Point - Click in Loop? Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:55:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1326826566; bh=vzHqpBpaoAF0z8adoGYvpluQ6mqDzwkBHtcuVmzsZHY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=WjQ7cyuTeeVL9j0Mz7Kgjx4GzyAORpRxnxf3GnEcuRhDtH5Yb6Lv3rbxgynsXYuz+ LgwN5sQU7vbliFDBAZDuZBi8Ys5qVBAa/riOlFN/IWo9aD+4JRGaD6D5RHaeDdQsOj djDPwtBQapAz1HmqdyJJgXAmc3+8z2VYPQ+CmsZo= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:298007424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33854f15c4454735 X-AOL-IP: 174.101.236.151 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:56:12 +0000 (UTC) My EDP (Oberhiem with Loop 3, 5.0) has developed a click at the start point of each new loop. Sometimes its more audible then others. Any ideas? An obvious suspect would be the start point led - perhaps something has failed. I tried the archives but could not retrieve any similar symptoms. Please direct if you know of a case. Thanks Todd Quincy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:08:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50448183453; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rPPdjgamdSb/kf0hG47tvEx8ldahuykkZK35bl9tF8s=; b=pHL9JBE/WiNPCNXr7oo/mno+Dz+9fpXz6XsIWbMFVXtAsH4AYV2FTZ3+gO0+/keyud CKtVK1rUtgHk1h8oPBX8ILjraD+DA+ujcfwdihisrKN/q0Pqxgrv8RXdzCxd8nJpwBpF GFqeQSiYJELMVMUuwmq2/ZmlPszO/hC9D2DqI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <824BA07B-76B5-415E-9C75-C2F710A058B2@aol.com> References: <824BA07B-76B5-415E-9C75-C2F710A058B2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:08:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Start Point - Click in Loop? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:08:04 +0000 (UTC) That's a common issue and the solution is simple: end Record with Overdub instead of a second press of Record. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM, wrote: > My EDP (Oberhiem with Loop 3, 5.0) has developed a click at the start point > of each new loop. Sometimes its more audible then others. > > Any ideas? > An obvious suspect would be the start point led - perhaps something has > failed. > > I tried the archives but could not retrieve any similar symptoms. Please > direct if you know of a case. > > Thanks > Todd Quincy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:12:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DBFB183460; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2t3MlXa7uyby332L5qRyM95eea1v2X+9sLXZIi9OJr8=; b=eBgfCHKI14c0ofoOMWANEceBDf5IvlJH187mHm6qnMhM7tnbi5UIJvq7Hpo7MzqGVG +xxCVk6Aywqm7ZRT0AmJS2CC2MbwIl52xSnWxD37nUJ03td3QlGGlf6F0JYK4/D1aObi EZq50Babz3F3ewIOY9g5mS6m00r8/E3XRf+Tk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:12:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:12:41 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David Gans wrote: > I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and he s= aid he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." =C2=A0It's a continuu= m. Good thinking by Grisman. One could also look at it from the other perspective and say that composition is "cheating improvisation" ;-) (couldn't resist jumping in on that OT) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:13:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF153183464; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: openjam@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Start Point - Click in Loop? Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:12:57 -0500 References: <824BA07B-76B5-415E-9C75-C2F710A058B2@aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1326827578; bh=80ejm18dm1YXsJSWnq44429uMO9UvsSAhLvwsKmTwx0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=NCznywC4f92PmqvmZrVedFKbv5Ixn/bHMpYP0D9O6y7/xPKcxUclaWOLgRRd5EaCB sB5Acu5UUksMQCH5O4iGaTnoNqWFtY3mEGeOAzNMT4ihwqktZkYfzPm/rWJ25AqKvQ Js0zLc9gEB8srSSmrJ/j/sC7OkY52ZAHz9zQTXaY= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454928896:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33814f15c83a6883 X-AOL-IP: 174.101.236.151 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per I will try that. I don't recall it happening earlier in the EDPs life. is there a known reason why it developed? tq On Jan 17, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > That's a common issue and the solution is simple: end Record with > Overdub instead of a second press of Record. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM, wrote: >> My EDP (Oberhiem with Loop 3, 5.0) has developed a click at the >> start point >> of each new loop. Sometimes its more audible then others. >> >> Any ideas? >> An obvious suspect would be the start point led - perhaps something >> has >> failed. >> >> I tried the archives but could not retrieve any similar symptoms. >> Please >> direct if you know of a case. >> >> Thanks >> Todd Quincy >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:20:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8597718345E; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2xV7EBGLDTPRmEOky31Jc1wRUFhWO2tkAKXI5MAIO1U=; b=gqXLtUduZDid3vlDg66v9mPLRSUBdeuGssSo3UMMVMMVSyOBqrKLDs7xOHfadNayGb O9uFvyqSVv9M1Ewon1t4PBfatb27g4ei9dTv+FoAmwvDkuXsl/thVAoIw9wVRI3Y/KSH Hr7smwKgLHGtGOKRg6fAL5RBKMuFCFEvqP+ho= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:20:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: pod hd as usb soundcard From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934040dcb89ed04b6be3703 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:20:04 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934040dcb89ed04b6be3703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh I see now where youre heading... 2012/1/16 Ra=FCl Bonell > with M9 M13 you got no USB port, so they can't play other audio stuff > running in your DAW, the HD series, can.. at least, that's what the > manual says... i'd like to use sw loopers as well, so i don't know if > i'll have to add a second soundcard or not... > > 2012/1/16, Petri Lahtinen : > > Not so astonished when I heard the demos... > > Why not go the M9 M13 route...? > > > > 2012/1/16 Ra=FCl Bonell > > > >> does anybody use one of the new line6 pod hd pedalboards (HD300, > >> HD400, HD500) as usb soundcard on a mac within the DAW of your choice > >> for live pourposes? are the latency figures respectable in this > >> context? any happy win 7 users? > >> > >> i'm specially interested in the smaller one, the HD300. > >> > >> thanks! > >> ra=FCl. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > >> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > >> imagination, > >> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > >> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily > manipulated. > >> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > >> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > >> > >> Kim Flint > >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > >> raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Petri Lahtinen > > > > > -- > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --14dae934040dcb89ed04b6be3703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh I see now where youre heading...

2012/= 1/16 Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
with M9 M13 you got no USB port, so they can't play other audio stuff running in your DAW, the HD series, can.. at least, that's what the
manual says... i'd like to use sw loopers as well, so i don't know = if
i'll have to add a second soundcard or not...

2012/1/16, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>:
> Not so astonished when I heard= the demos...
> Why not go the M9 M13 route...?
>
> 2012/1/16 Ra=FCl Bonell <r= aul.bonell@gmail.com>
>
>> does anybody use one of the new line6 pod hd pedalboards (HD300, >> HD400, HD500) as usb soundcard on a mac within the DAW of your cho= ice
>> for live pourposes? are the latency figures respectable in this >> context? any happy win 7 users?
>>
>> i'm specially interested in the smaller one, the HD300.
>>
>> thanks!
>> ra=FCl.
>>
>> --
>>
>> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
>> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your=
>> imagination,
>> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.=
>> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manip= ulated.
>> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
>> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.
>>
>> Kim Flint
>> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
>> raulbon= ell.tumblr.com - co= llective.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Petri Lahtinen
>


--
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion,
they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.
For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.

Kim Flint
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
raulbonell.tumbl= r.com - collective.= com




--
Petri Lahti= nen


--14dae934040dcb89ed04b6be3703-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:23:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BE2C183453; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lXo0EtsvGzbj6HL1wPXboUBJgmKpj3YCjbMLEEyxf8I=; b=M2xHNJbxIR18autw4howEwPOUwd3GyXxsvOGjKBdguh2KSt8tAxGRLtzeuh7551+j3 +U/BbDJLiSZR0KmRbO+J4qRT/cnOLwF6qp1qd0MNyyfr6+S+BWw7Zuy9JuGEI2PSlS6f kx6s+txWbsWJawPJ+qp442SKcTxnrFQKZd0WE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:23:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e89ca6799e204b6be44b4 Resent-Message-ID: <2YuiaD.A.cHF.3qcFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:23:35 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e89ca6799e204b6be44b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just left the Finnish copyright association Teosto because they have restrictions of artist selling from his/her own website. They allow only 80 minutes of material or 20 pieces to be sold? I think that restriction is not from this century, so I'm licensing all my future work through CreativeCommons. I know, cant get a penny from CC but at least my hands are not tied if I choose to sell my own creations. 2012/1/17 Per Boysen > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David Gans wrote: > > I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and he > said he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." It's a continuum. > > Good thinking by Grisman. One could also look at it from the other > perspective and say that composition is "cheating improvisation" ;-) > (couldn't resist jumping in on that OT) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- --90e6ba6e89ca6799e204b6be44b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just left the Finnish copyright association Teosto because they have rest= rictions of artist selling
from his/her own website. They allow only 80 = minutes of material or 20 pieces to be sold?
I think that restriction is= not from this century, so I'm licensing all my future work through Cre= ativeCommons.
I know, cant get a penny from CC but at least my hands are not tied if I ch= oose to sell my own creations.



20= 12/1/17 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:= 45 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com<= /a>> wrote:
> I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and h= e said he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." =A0It= 9;s a continuum.

Good thinking by Grisman. One could also look at it from the other perspective and say that composition is "cheating improvisation" = ;-)
(couldn't resist jumping in on that OT)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




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--90e6ba6e89ca6799e204b6be44b4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:25:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC2CB18345E; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rq7bAqleArmiPRX6u3mSZrMgmk6dANvrSrJOAUzcuzc=; b=Dey+Y/H0+22RSH5LkyXcNQ/09Bsdf06QtDhx7kIh91oanDmXsZbLrReF9AV7DynvTy QxJvFWQkkZFTbWD9qh8NoOuzxdXlqveDXUEeXqr6WtS8JxJlipfheiM7Mekj8oECFFVR LUgl/sh4KtS/nvb0wmdpH1TDl1u2FVFwtIw/Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F15799A.70000@cruzio.com> References: <4F15799A.70000@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:25:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba614710e0e5a704b6be4ade Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:25:23 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba614710e0e5a704b6be4ade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Whats that Gabriel album you mentioned, Passion? slipped my radar... 2012/1/17 Rick Walker > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> They were my fav on that festival, together with Biosphere >> (did anyone mention him? Both fantastic Norwegian acts) >> > Thanks for turning me onto this, Per. > > Geir Jenssen was, to me, the genius behind Bel Canto's first two beautiful > records..........his ability to match sounds from acoustic music and > electronic > music and sampling was just exquisite and way ahead of his time, if you > ask me. > I rooted for them but honestly thought the band really > got bland after he left even though the singer has a beautiful and > haunting voice. > > I've always wondered what he went on to so to discover him again > is a real treat for me. > > He apparently, lives 900 km ABOVE the Arctic Circle in a town called > Trommso, Norway................anyone remember WHITE OUT CONDITION > from Bel Canto.............it said "recorded in the dark" in the > record.......wow! > > Coincidentally, Bill's and my mom's maiden name was Jensen, so we are > probably > incredibly distant cousins that go back hundreds of years. > > Thanks! > > rick > > -- Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba614710e0e5a704b6be4ade Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whats that Gabriel album you mentioned, Passion? slipped my radar...
2012/1/17 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
They were my fav on that festival, together with Biosphere
(did anyone mention him? Both fantastic Norwegian acts)
Thanks for turning me onto this, Per.

Geir Jenssen was, to me, the genius behind Bel Canto's first two beauti= ful
records..........his ability to match sounds from acoustic music and electr= onic
music and sampling was just exquisite and way ahead of his time, if you ask= me.
I rooted for them but honestly thought the band really
got bland after he left even though the singer has a beautiful and haunting= voice.

I've always wondered what he went on to so to discover him again
is a real treat for me.

He apparently, lives 900 km ABOVE the Arctic Circle in a town called
Trommso, Norway................anyone remember WHITE OUT CONDITION
from Bel Canto.............it said "recorded in the dark" in the = record.......wow!

Coincidentally, Bill's and my mom's maiden name was Jensen, so we a= re probably
incredibly distant cousins that go back hundreds of years.

Thanks!

rick




--
Petri Lah= tinen


--90e6ba614710e0e5a704b6be4ade-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:30:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BCCE183462; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=McNqpUKu8P+vtnoLYBc5tijqpvKWhMnvyDguzJQIZt4=; b=ZrWyOvqkIa4OEDjwqMk4XNi+5/+OGFcI/48u9DxpMKqEdtevMMmk8Nvcl2qHkCLFK1 6mNUrIL57wkHqEA7MkM4BqkEmiHZiEJord8G0xHNQY/cCqZ6vmoIkpJ6az07CLvD3p+E JCWTFpSW7DuIRY3g2Js13N3Uw4duoMwapR4+Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:30:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GR55 The Power of Assigns From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba614710f4263804b6be5c55 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:30:28 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba614710f4263804b6be5c55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable could you apply some things across the touch screen that would act like frets on guitar :-D that way you could just work on the right sliders for example without looking 2012/1/17 Per Boysen > Very inspiring to read about Mark's experiences with touch screen > control. BTW, there is this "Mix 16" layout that comes bundled wit > TouchOSC that offers two 8 fader mixers, among other things. I'd like > to use that one on my iPhone. Just need to find a good solution for > temporarily mounting the iPhone on the Stick. > > I'm already very keen on using the GK-3's volume knob and two buttons > for controlling sound parameters. To me touch-screen on the instrument > is of almost equal usability rate as my trusty Gordius MIDI pedal. My > issue with touch-screens, that you have to look at them in order to > use them, isn't that blatant if mounted on the instrument you carry on > your body. BTW, yesterday Xavier announced that the Gordius will soon > support both long and short presses on each switch! That will double > its deepness in tweakness, let us Gordius users put twenty function > into each ten switches bank. Will be nice not having to shoe-gaze that > much for bank switching. > > The above is of course related to doing improvised electronic music. > When performing a fixed set you could as well put most of your > commands into Ableton Live to be duly sent out for the receiving > devices. I have recently enjoyed several peak experiences associated > with Max For Live, for a laptop aided musician quite similar to what > the Assigns Window means for the GR-55; an open window to unlimited > horizons :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:07 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Hi LD, > > > > Just wanted to report an incredible breakthru regarding the missing lin= k, > > TouchOSC and the GR55. I know that Per has been into the GR=B4s Assign = page > > for a while, but for me it was quite daunting, as I didnt really know > how to > > use it. Not without a bunch of pedals at least. My FCB1010 is already > > stuffed full with clever banks, I cant remember any more. > > > > So I made a very simple interface on TouchOSC, just 4 sliders and made > them > > send CCs on channel 5. Set the GR55 to channel 5 and then went into a > very > > big pad patch I have and set 4 different parameters on the Assign page, > > including setting the target to be the same CC numbers.. and voila, now= I > > have almost unlimited control of the GR55. > > There is a maximum of 8 Assigns on the GR so there's a limit... > > > > So now Ive made one with 8 sliders, and it anyone wants it, you can hav= e > it, > > Ive put it on the missing link forum: > > > > http://wifimidi.com/discussion-forum/ > > > > and the thread is > > > > Board index =BB User Contributed OSC Templates =BB Roland GR-55 Editor > > (TouchOSC) > > > > Sorry dont know how to quote a forum thread URL > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba614710f4263804b6be5c55 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable could you apply some things across the touch screen that would act like fre= ts on guitar :-D
that way you could just work on the right sliders for e= xample without looking

2012/1/17 Per Boys= en <perboysen@g= mail.com>
Very inspiring to read about Mark's expe= riences with touch screen
control. BTW, there is this "Mix 16" layout that comes bundled wi= t
TouchOSC that offers two 8 fader mixers, among other things. I'd like to use that one on my iPhone. Just need to find a good solution for
temporarily mounting the iPhone on the Stick.

I'm already very keen on using the GK-3's volume knob and two butto= ns
for controlling sound parameters. To me touch-screen on the instrument
is of almost equal usability rate as my trusty Gordius MIDI pedal. My
issue with touch-screens, that you have to look at them in order to
use them, isn't that blatant if mounted on the instrument you carry on<= br> your body. BTW, yesterday Xavier announced that the Gordius will soon
support both long and short presses on each switch! That will double
its deepness in tweakness, let us Gordius users put twenty function
into each ten switches bank. Will be nice not having to shoe-gaze that
much for bank switching.

The above is of course related to doing improvised electronic music.
When performing a fixed set you could as well put most of your
commands into Ableton Live to be duly sent out for the receiving
devices. I have recently enjoyed several peak experiences associated
with Max For Live, for a laptop aided musician quite similar to what
the Assigns Window means for the GR-55; an open window to unlimited
horizons =A0:-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:07 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Hi LD,
>
> Just wanted to report an incredible breakthru regarding the missing li= nk,
> TouchOSC and the GR55. I know that Per has been into the GR=B4s Assign= page
> for a while, but for me it was quite daunting, as I didnt really know = how to
> use it. Not without a bunch of pedals at least. My FCB1010 is already<= br> > stuffed full with clever banks, I cant remember any more.
>
> So I made a very simple interface on TouchOSC, just 4 sliders and made= them
> send CCs on channel 5. Set the GR55 to channel 5 and then went into a = very
> big pad patch I have and set 4 different parameters on the Assign page= ,
> including setting the target to be the same CC numbers.. and voila, no= w I
> have almost unlimited control of the GR55.
> There is a maximum of 8 Assigns on the GR so there's a limit... >
> So now Ive made one with 8 sliders, and it anyone wants it, you can ha= ve it,
> Ive put it on the missing link forum:
>
> ht= tp://wifimidi.com/discussion-forum/
>
> and the thread is
>
> Board index =BB User Contributed OSC Templates =BB Roland GR-55 Editor=
> (TouchOSC)
>
> Sorry dont know how to quote a forum thread URL
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>




--
Petri Lahti= nen


--90e6ba614710f4263804b6be5c55-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:32:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEDA2183462; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NaijN8Z8TfRuZ8ehl3yIJLMH/mnp3mo/gq5NjCHoYYo=; b=OFEj674xQSKEEJ1xKozlsahxZVbet7nGX1dVAFlyg9+1izlkVPAuAzNXXQaC96UnNc 1HUrqTmpctysJ1X6chPqHzh1NGKPvduRE11mKmGpvHiGPuGdQ/zleDAfVVLCcKFnVtm+ c9/eMqyw4JYYov87qqMYGIdBO711Jm+zEXwhU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F15799A.70000@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:32:05 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Its the soundtrack album to the Last Temptation of Christ. Instrumental stuff. Very nice, similar in feel to some of US. Kevin On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Whats that Gabriel album you mentioned, Passion? slipped my radar... > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 20:00:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21FC418345F; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=j5/QhYysxmc8xFYYgs/dQYqaFA4nowpqGkPPYAG7eFY=; b=vJH2QUdy3hFS+Pr1woe+qjAC3cr0r6n9Av40z3GLixaCrTg8/PnMcW4oLhXiVUof2K KpRWcGhqq14tQf7giK82Dbluh/B/1WSTbOYCnI8w+k497RK8jfYwoTcfb8BWzHfQ1b8z voUV1iz+OQsuM+9wb2Rz2SUVQaDPsLzow8k/A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <824BA07B-76B5-415E-9C75-C2F710A058B2@aol.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:00:05 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ngSK7kvSehb_qohKtpMAkvRQ3HU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Start Point - Click in Loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044789733a800404b6bec842 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:00:26 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044789733a800404b6bec842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wait Dude! This is a known thing... I believe there is a trim-pot for adjusting this. I think there is a procedure. You could seach the archives, I think its there, or play the game of "badger the butler" I find that normally works... My second EDP does this on multiply.. I like it.. its a feature! Mark On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:12 PM, wrote: > Thanks Per I will try that. > I don't recall it happening earlier in the EDPs life. is there a known > reason why it developed? > tq > > > On Jan 17, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > That's a common issue and the solution is simple: end Record with >> Overdub instead of a second press of Record. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/**perboysen >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM, wrote: >> >>> My EDP (Oberhiem with Loop 3, 5.0) has developed a click at the start >>> point >>> of each new loop. Sometimes its more audible then others. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> An obvious suspect would be the start point led - perhaps something has >>> failed. >>> >>> I tried the archives but could not retrieve any similar symptoms. Please >>> direct if you know of a case. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Todd Quincy >>> >>> >> > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d044789733a800404b6bec842 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wait Dude!
This is a known thing... I believe there is a trim-pot for ad= justing this. I think there is a procedure. You could seach the archives, I= think its there, or play the game of=A0 "badger the butler" I fi= nd that normally works...
My second EDP does this on multiply.. I like it.. its a feature!


Mark

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:12 P= M, <openjam@aol.co= m> wrote:
Thanks Per I will try that.
I don't recall it happening earlier in the EDPs life. is there a known = reason why it developed?
tq


On Jan 17, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

That's a common issue and the solution is simple: end Record with
Overdub instead of a second press of Record.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM, =A0<openjam@aol.com> wrote:
My EDP (Oberhiem with Loop 3, 5.0) has developed a click at the start point=
of each new loop. Sometimes its more audible then others.

Any ideas?
An obvious suspect would be the start point led - perhaps something has
failed.

I tried the archives but could not retrieve any similar symptoms. Please direct if you know of a case.

Thanks
Todd Quincy






--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d044789733a800404b6bec842-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 20:08:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0172D183462; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/3tCEQuWqaMl6t9SL2xnlj6nnWuhkFVy9Or5y3t7iXY=; b=oOSi2nDgEFx39pr2TUGNXCARvKwJkO1ME7kQFDAskX12qvKkr+l5wn0u3C1uqDBXiv HI6DzF9xfjOsxHroNjPfzt3dia6T0s/cYZ/v4thymbhGPqvH78OTVAFBqjxM/1wgfPgN 56J9v6yv+cJZEEDR77VlWRXFYZmS5Vz74gTIY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:08:15 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XDPY7oxcWztW_llXwxpgq7M0jKg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044400666f2efa04b6bee519 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044400666f2efa04b6bee519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I hear you, I just discovered that ALL the music I produce at work (basically the only thing I LIKE about my job) has to be registered at TONO (Norwegian Performing rights office) and they will charge my customers. I cant work like that. I have been previously licensing my work to my customers companies as a one shot deal. That is, its used free of charge (they are paying for a film after all) for that ONE film, but if they choose to use it somewhere else, then they must come to me. This has worked fine, until now, when TONO discovered I was doing this and said that I couldnt be a member of TONO AND license my own stuff as I chose! I HAD to accept their way of liscensing. Which these customers would NOT accept. They do not have budgets for repeat fees, or per user fees, they have a one off, HUGE budget for one big Anti-corruption program (with freaky music). Im still waiting on answers from people in offices on this... On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > I just left the Finnish copyright association Teosto because they have > restrictions of artist selling > from his/her own website. They allow only 80 minutes of material or 20 > pieces to be sold? > I think that restriction is not from this century, so I'm licensing all my > future work through CreativeCommons. > I know, cant get a penny from CC but at least my hands are not tied if I > choose to sell my own creations. > > > > > 2012/1/17 Per Boysen > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David Gans wrote: >> > I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and he >> said he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." It's a continuum. >> >> Good thinking by Grisman. One could also look at it from the other >> perspective and say that composition is "cheating improvisation" ;-) >> (couldn't resist jumping in on that OT) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > > > -- > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d044400666f2efa04b6bee519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hear you, I just discovered that ALL the music I produce at work (basical= ly the only thing I LIKE about my job) has to be registered at TONO (Norweg= ian Performing rights office) and they will charge my customers. I cant wor= k like that. I have been previously licensing my work to my customers compa= nies as a one shot deal. That is, its used free of charge (they are paying = for a film after all) for that ONE film, but if they choose to use it somew= here else, then they must come to me.

This has worked fine, until now, when TONO discovered I was doing this = and said that I couldnt be a member of TONO AND license my own stuff as I c= hose! I HAD to accept their way of liscensing. Which these customers would = NOT accept. They do not have budgets for repeat fees, or per user fees, the= y have a one off, HUGE budget for one big Anti-corruption program (with fre= aky music).

Im still waiting on answers from people in offices on this...




On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, P= etri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
I just left the Finnish copyright associatio= n Teosto because they have restrictions of artist selling
from his/her o= wn website. They allow only 80 minutes of material or 20 pieces to be sold?=
I think that restriction is not from this century, so I'm licensing all= my future work through CreativeCommons.
I know, cant get a penny from CC but at least my hands are not tied if I ch= oose to sell my own creations.




2012/1/17 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David = Gans <david@trufun= .com> wrote:
> I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and h= e said he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." =A0It= 9;s a continuum.

Good thinking by Grisman. One could also look at it from the other perspective and say that composition is "cheating improvisation" = ;-)
(couldn't resist jumping in on that OT)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




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--f46d044400666f2efa04b6bee519-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 20:22:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1038318348A; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=lHY0EwfAJdSBmE++GFRQiHL0T/DNF3wGmxRzlxAh6cM=; b=s8CpMrl1G7dazU6q4I2wL6JIGDwJ07kbGC8RtD8soyxCvzOtGcpuBLC9u9UyypxjdW WNfwRb4XQqBtQiZc+hycQyqQrkrqRp5CB93TTh2DXL1XoH+G7BV9HJk43abIuv4cps3W TyZ7/Dhl86cOgTJBpHWlrQA+sJmVyzSpWF10M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:21:44 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZFNSQBbNqsfg-IxL0gVEEkqYm_g Message-ID: Subject: Re: GR55 The Power of Assigns To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04478a0fa77f8a04b6bf15a1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:22:05 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04478a0fa77f8a04b6bf15a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > could you apply some things across the touch screen that would act like > frets on guitar :-D > that way you could just work on the right sliders for example without > looking > ha ha! Nice one!! But you know, the thing I love about this is that its so easy to throw together an interface that you can make whatever you need. They are so very ephemeral... the editor needs a few tweaks, like the ability to have abunch of instances open at once would be nice, making cutting and pasting easy.. but a hint is to just check everything off the design stage, just drag it on when you need it... Just chuck one together for tonights show... For example, make an interface that has a button for record on an edp, then you record the content to the repeater by a second record button, this time the repeater button, then you swipe across the screen, this simultaneously pitches the edp down and pitches the repeater up a 5th... wait for it.. jam a bit.. add stuff... then Sus unround multiply the edp and go crazy on the xy pad that pitches and pans the repeater... take a bow now selects the Touch OSC screen that resets everything... now select a new layout with more special collections of controls... this time huge reverbs being reduced to 0 in a finger swipe and being caught in a reverse delay... you can grab any parameter in the GR55, so its like being able to totally screw up your patch, but then reselect it and its back to normal... I havent actually DONE this yet, but its looking good... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04478a0fa77f8a04b6bf15a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
could you apply some things across the touch screen that would act like fre= ts on guitar :-D
that way you could just work on the right sliders for e= xample without looking


ha ha! N= ice one!!

But you know, the thing I love about this is that its so easy to throw = together an interface that you can make whatever you need.
They are so = very ephemeral... the editor needs a few tweaks, like the ability to have a= bunch of instances open at once would be nice, making cutting and pasting e= asy.. but a hint is to just check everything off the design stage, just dra= g it on when you need it...

Just chuck one together for tonights show...

For example, make a= n interface that has a button for record on an edp, then you record the con= tent to the repeater by a second record button, this time the repeater butt= on, then you swipe across the screen, this simultaneously pitches the edp d= own and pitches the repeater up a 5th... wait for it.. jam a bit.. add stuf= f... then Sus unround multiply the edp and go crazy on the xy pad that pitc= hes and pans the repeater...
take a bow
now selects the Touch OSC screen that resets everything...now select a new layout with more special collections of controls... this = time huge reverbs being reduced to 0 in a finger swipe and being caught in = a reverse delay... you can grab any parameter in the GR55, so its like bein= g able to totally screw up your patch, but then reselect it and its back to= normal...

I havent actually DONE this yet, but its looking good...





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--f46d04478a0fa77f8a04b6bf15a1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 22:49:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A8E6183460; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F15FB06.4050305@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:49:42 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Petri Lahtinen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: OT: Music suggestions? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:49:51 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Whats that Gabriel album you mentioned, Passion? slipped my radar... maybe his most influential record in terms of the effect it had on Motion Picture soundtracks afterwards. Gabriels record "Passion" was his soundtrack from "the Last Temptation of Christ" on it, he teamed with world musicians from all over the globe. It was not one of his pop records. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 23:11:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5FD118345C; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4F16000E.0090,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zY1OQqavICsIFvK1XqJOt0LcpH0rXNPIksguZSI4Wes= c=1 sm=1 a=NyEtlu0ARhsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=gbNtLxI7AAAA:8 a=84BadPHTAAAA:8 a=fJ2sKB-QTY3qg9iPY84A:9 a=wOAa6Gv42J9l05hh_8AA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rb2urXQLjLQA:10 a=9sRPgGxWQAoA:10 a=8EMw4F3TNxMA:10 a=aY61aNT7hQUA:10 a=OS7PZEPQ3MUA:10 a=deNuvBMO4_hFtBw_:21 a=lUZkThlgbNVH7egS:21 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Re: Boomerang(R) III MIDI Upgrade Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:11:01 -0800 Message-ID: <5A35BB5B61E8479EAE3E4F618C2360A3@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AczVbUd+f8y+zWDoQ7CM7xaMgSJ1wg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Here is the email I received from Mike at Boomerang-I must have deleted it. I reckon I should answer the survey 8) Hi Gary, I'm happy the III is part of your "band". Sharing the survey on LD would be fine. ------------------- Hi Rangsters, I hope you are all well and enjoying life. Here's another opportunity to direct our product development. This is a survey of MIDI features and behaviors you would like to see implemented. Primarily our goal is to provide enough MIDI capabilities to easily sync with an external source such as a drum machine. Thanks in advance. Any time you spend on this will be much appreciated. 1) What would be adequate for your needs? a. III works as master b. III works as slave c. III works as either 2) What about control commands? a. III sends Start, Stop & Continue commands b. III responds to Start, Stop & Continue commands c. III can send and respond to Start, Stop & Continue commands 3) What about Song Position Pointer? a. III sends SPP command b. III responds to SPP command c. III can send and respond to SPP command 4) What clock data formats do you need to be supported? Indicate all that apply. a. SMPTE b. MTC c. MIDI clock (F8 command) d. MIDI clock quarter frame (F1 command) 5) How will you use the III in a MIDI sync situation? Indicate all that apply. a. With a drum machine only b. With multiple MIDI devices playing in sync c. With a computer d. Other - Please explain 6) Describe the work flow of using the III with your other MIDI devices. How this would work ideally? ------------------- On 17-Jan-12 12:28 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hi Mike-- > Still using the Rang III several nights a week at my solo gig-- I > mentioned that a MIDI upgrade was in the works on Looper's Delight and > immediately got a positive response. Two issues with that-- I seem to > have deleted the request for feedback you sent out (without replying, > I might add). Can you send that to me again? > And secondly, are you OK with me sharing that info on LD? > Thanks, > Gary in San Diego -- Mike Nelson Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. ---------- "Some products make you sound better; Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." ---------- 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com Contact for repairs: Lee Hardesty 1516 Victoria Drive Denton, TX 76209 hardesty@mindspring.com 940-382-3253 Billing Address: Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. PO Box 3788 Grapevine, TX 76099-3788 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 01:59:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EADFE183454; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=AKGUiIbHxBqCa1HHaSYq5599Bm9rEut7jhCCpU/TVvc=; b=mxBGEbMo5JjsSpS6jqX+g/dt/CKCuWeJMQJTZCZ8DtWYtqFea7FtMvVaUyVtm6Ysq1 JLy2azDWil4hyNZe9rPtryRMVzOAT+8OEklmxzvksR+4zoA5m7bxfsOas9tarMKFXh/j uaEKuHMAnqI6QMcjCNx6ZC2TMICm8DLL9ypsE= Subject: College From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:59:48 -0800 To: LD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:59:53 +0000 (UTC) So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the future (Jun= ior year highschool). I feel torn by this decision especially considering th= at I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... I kinda want to major in some f= ield of piano music, but I don't want to have to end my hobby/goal/love for e= lectronic music. However without my piano background I probably would have n= o musical knowledge to fuel my electronic music and also wouldn't have known= the joys of the emotional roller-coaster music brings :p.=20 Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this position) Wha= t should I do? It feels like the end of the world for me right now yet its b= arely the beginning :/= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 02:43:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1156B18345D; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EJ1oj1QwfCrr+0e96rfR3EwZy0fxc4dvEmEK0sjl7d0=; b=MwDPsG9BpuMHo2l3Off8d3Pi1ITluZFFkil9iFf3JcJ3RIhWEggVy9FdLBb01Ukvv3 Qw/G9cAk2De2QI4jx3GhXBXcFcDt5C5CDjpewZ7kgZjApazhOMvv8PVBgu53FzU9I9RM V0ZKqqFc71cenUhZ7U697hA9XrejT7xMWwcYU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> References: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:43:05 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: College From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:43:05 +0000 (UTC) I can share my experience. I entered college undeclared, initially set up an independent course of study that I called "music engineering," abandoned that and got a conventional undergraduate degree and then got my MFA in electronic music. I earn my living outside music (I'm a high school teacher now), so I think that conventional undergraduate degree is very helpful. I wouldn't trade those two years I worked on my MFA though, as I think that was the only two years of my life where I was never asked to do anything I didn't want to do. But you know what, I don't think it really matters. You don't need to know what to do with your life or major in. Just go to college undeclared and follow your nose. Seriously, you'll be fine. Relax. You'll make better music that way too. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Gmail wrote: > So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the future (= Junior year highschool). I feel torn by this decision especially considerin= g that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... I kinda want to major in s= ome field of piano music, but I don't want to have to end my hobby/goal/lov= e for electronic music. However without my piano background I probably woul= d have no musical knowledge to fuel my electronic music and also wouldn't h= ave known the joys of the emotional roller-coaster music brings :p. > Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this position) = What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for me right now yet i= ts barely the beginning :/ --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 03:05:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6280B18345E; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: College From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:05:17 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Piano study will serve you well all throughout your musical life, and is = the doorway to many other parts of music. Electronic music curriculum is better than it has ever been. No reason not to pursue them both. If you are a real artist, you would = likely do so whether or not you do so in an academic setting. But if you = have the opportunity to get that solid education, go for it :) On Jan 17, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Gmail wrote: > So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the = future (Junior year highschool). I feel torn by this decision especially = considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... I kinda want = to major in some field of piano music, but I don't want to have to end = my hobby/goal/love for electronic music. However without my piano = background I probably would have no musical knowledge to fuel my = electronic music and also wouldn't have known the joys of the emotional = roller-coaster music brings :p.=20 > Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this = position) What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for me = right now yet its barely the beginning :/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 03:36:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A208C18345D; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QIGl0bZC2XE7tgKM0BjnDXs24of7CATiFN94yr8cM8A=; b=d1FRmWvIaSAo9i5Ow65Zzj0MH56GQ1ag4uEcAY30r2/nkrrJJgpYccuQEOynP6+r2N ij8FaFjrIc/MkXQa1lMj1qpMgepNcAiuh9ePfFBZUi468Lfhw+WMtRsXOujQLr70MKiQ AiRgLvoVXbjUoqoJEtPm5I1GEHeRjGsubFU9c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:36:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: College From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Don't stress man, this is a very exciting time for you, but I know it's a big decisions... however, like most big decisions in life, it's ok to try before you buy (ask questions of faculty and students at programs that interest you). It's also ok to change your mind (as many times as required). Only fools and dead men don't change their minds. I studied Philosophy (B.A. and M.A.) but I'm a published poet and cartoonist and I've played trombone professionally for many years (people pay me to show up). If the only thing you're getting out of university is a job, you're getting screwed. Study what you are passionate about and everything will work out. Piano is nice, but don't waste your time with piano if your goal is not piano... non-pianists can also learn music theory... That being said, if I were to drop everything and go back to school, I would personally go to one of these places: http://www.saic.edu/degrees_resources/departments/sound/index.html#overview/SLC_2859 http://www.media.mit.edu/ (graduate program only) http://music.concordia.ca/music-programs/undergraduate/majorminor-in-electroacoustic-studies/ Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 03:37:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5233418345F; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=b0WA+Mq9WNFOlk7snTbG4w3MDRfa52tRNU5CnOs/Tcs=; b=qTg0cV3OgDDsNXB0s+EVesLj8b95Xpz2tx329iAfZqvUCOeXq71jgjAojal5Tpe2+c mVaVdkKADmb5yv4uIs5+ff1goEcgEQLbHn5JmFjUhW5xSAH3ODKw8PmlcBElbE5Ioic0 Vy8d7BD8FE9PGYYclFuVC6IxJwIgmuUjbis2w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> References: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:37:07 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: College From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f0f8803c8704b6c529d2 Resent-Message-ID: <-52niC.A.mXD.k5jFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:37:08 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0447f0f8803c8704b6c529d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Gmail, I'm not sure if you said you already have a piano background, or that you would have one if you majored in it. These days, I think pursuing electronic music & recording technology is the way to go if you want to be a professional musician. A background in piano is a great start. Keep taking theory, composition and orchestration classes, but also learn how to use the complicated samplers and workstations that will let you "play" the sounds of an entire orchestra. I think as the technology changes, those skills will make you more hireable and more adaptable than being a really good pianist. That said, I'm sure folks have told you that there are very few music jobs. The folks I know who do are full time musicians tend to be on a scale between: A) People who make the music they want to make, and make ends meet by giving music lessons, etc, and wind up making about the same amount of money as if they worked at McDonalds full time. B) People who make the music they don't want to make - for example, they make commercial jingles or music for educational software. Some of these assignments take a rather uncreative approach. One friend of mine who makes commercial jingles was asked to record 30 versions of a BB King song, all trying to sound as much as possible as the original recordings by different blues musicians, because the company didn't want to license the original recordings. C) People who are honest to goodness professional musicians in the way you think: I know 2. In both cases, they were able to be professional musicians only for the 3-5 years that their bands were really popular. Then they had to supplement their income with music-related jobs. D) Professional Musicians through Grantwriting: Again, I personally know 2, and am acquainted with a 3rd. All 3 spend as much or more time either applying for grants, high-paying residencies and performance opportunities as they do making music. That's not bad - it's just what it takes. The good news is they get to make the music they want to make. One caveat here is that they are all dream candidates for grants organizations - they look great on pamphlets that say "we gave our grant to this person". Two are hip-looking, beautiful ladies, and the third is a hip-looking, very handsome man. They are very talented at their music too - appearance isn't anything, but I know lots of talented, hard-working folks who don't get grants. Another thing to consider is music-related jobs. I know a few people who are employed full time running the recording studio that records voice talent for videogames and software. Others work for music services like Pandora. I think it's kind of unfair that the education system expects you to know what you want to do with the rest of your life before the age of 20. About half the adults I know wound up in careers that are unrelated to what their college major was. I for one really enjoy having a day job that is not related to music. I switched majors from music to psychology in college, and now work in an office. I discovered in my 30s that I have real talents that are not at all music-related (or psychology related), and that I honestly like the nature of the work I do. This leaves my musical mind "fresh" when I want to play the kind of music I want to play, and I don't struggle for money as much as many of my professional musician friends. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt Gmail was like: > So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the future > (Junior year highschool). I feel torn by this decision especially > considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... I kinda want to > major in some field of piano music, but I don't want to have to end my > hobby/goal/love for electronic music. However without my piano background I > probably would have no musical knowledge to fuel my electronic music and > also wouldn't have known the joys of the emotional roller-coaster music > brings :p. > Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this position) > What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for me right now yet > its barely the beginning :/ > --f46d0447f0f8803c8704b6c529d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gmail,

I'm not sure if you said you already have a piano bac= kground, or that you would have one if you majored in it.

These day= s, I think pursuing electronic music & recording technology is the way = to go if you want to be a professional musician. A background in piano is a= great start. Keep taking theory, composition and orchestration classes, bu= t also learn how to use the complicated samplers and workstations that will= let you "play" the sounds of an entire orchestra. I think as the= technology changes, those skills will make you more hireable and more adap= table than being a really good pianist.

That said, I'm sure folks have told you that there are very few mus= ic jobs. The folks I know who do are full time musicians tend to be on a sc= ale between:
A) People who make the music they want to make, and make e= nds meet by giving music lessons, etc, and wind up making about the same am= ount of money as if they worked at McDonalds full time.
B) People who make the music they don't want to make - for example, the= y make commercial jingles or music for educational software. Some of these = assignments take a rather uncreative approach. One friend of mine who makes= commercial jingles was asked to record 30 versions of a BB King song, all = trying to sound as much as possible as the original recordings by different= blues musicians, because the company didn't want to license the origin= al recordings.
C) People who are honest to goodness professional musicians in the way you = think: I know 2. In both cases, they were able to be professional musicians= only for the 3-5 years that their bands were really popular. Then they had= to supplement their income with music-related jobs.
D) Professional Musicians through Grantwriting: Again, I personally know 2,= and am acquainted with a 3rd. All 3 spend as much or more time either appl= ying for grants, high-paying residencies and performance opportunities as t= hey do making music. That's not bad - it's just what it takes. The = good news is they get to make the music they want to make. One caveat here = is that they are all dream candidates for grants organizations - they look = great on pamphlets that say "we gave our grant to this person". T= wo are hip-looking, beautiful ladies, and the third is a hip-looking, very = handsome man. They are very talented at their music too - appearance isn= 9;t anything, but I know lots of talented, hard-working folks who don't= get grants.

Another thing to consider is music-related jobs. I know a few people wh= o are employed full time running the recording studio that records voice ta= lent for videogames and software. Others work for music services like Pando= ra.

I think it's kind of unfair that the education system expects you t= o know what you want to do with the rest of your life before the age of 20.= About half the adults I know wound up in careers that are unrelated to wha= t their college major was.

I for one really enjoy having a day job that is not related to music. I= switched majors from music to psychology in college, and now work in an of= fice. I discovered in my 30s that I have real talents that are not at all m= usic-related (or psychology related), and that I honestly like the nature o= f the work I do. This leaves my musical mind "fresh" when I want = to play the kind of music I want to play, and I don't struggle for mone= y as much as many of my professional musician friends.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomema= tt.podomatic.com
http= ://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

= Gmail <k3zz21@gmai= l.com> was like:
So I'm at the part of my life to choose = what I want to do in the future (Junior year highschool). I feel torn by th= is decision especially considering that I'm highly indecisive on a dail= y basis... I kinda want to major in some field of piano music, but I don= 9;t want to have to end my hobby/goal/love for electronic music. However wi= thout my piano background I probably would have no musical knowledge to fue= l my electronic music and also wouldn't have known the joys of the emot= ional roller-coaster music brings :p.
Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this position= ) What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for me right now yet= its barely the beginning :/




--f46d0447f0f8803c8704b6c529d2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 04:38:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66760183454; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rRqeNNZ3r/i4DYr84QQ23ft55fd1umR/+OhskxX+GPc=; b=KFHdCeuPpjXnsGdOB79gwdWnh2CAo2OCxRVdX27t7Fed42gI2edVNm+y1JMCUmrOww zZE6QEHA2/NB8/QIPkK4Ead/mHOTHpDKFq72gkLPL8HNKWKC0wyUp0qvjB8xa6lX5BDV qq6rLz/41Tl/RNHofG/swxAnecdK1NGTTS/gQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:38:50 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WUAItrWLGRo2CpDEurm2uWFqNqI Message-ID: Subject: Re: College From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe33a836507404b6c606fb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:38:52 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe33a836507404b6c606fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was an English major and jazz guitar minor. The best advice I could give is to take your time figuring out what you want to study. You don't have to study music to play all the time. Also, if you don't like the music program at the school you end up at, see if you can take classes at a nearby school (e.g. University of Rochester is in a consortium with Eastman School of Music). On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi Gmail, > > I'm not sure if you said you already have a piano background, or that you > would have one if you majored in it. > > These days, I think pursuing electronic music & recording technology is > the way to go if you want to be a professional musician. A background in > piano is a great start. Keep taking theory, composition and orchestration > classes, but also learn how to use the complicated samplers and > workstations that will let you "play" the sounds of an entire orchestra. I > think as the technology changes, those skills will make you more hireable > and more adaptable than being a really good pianist. > > That said, I'm sure folks have told you that there are very few music > jobs. The folks I know who do are full time musicians tend to be on a scale > between: > A) People who make the music they want to make, and make ends meet by > giving music lessons, etc, and wind up making about the same amount of > money as if they worked at McDonalds full time. > B) People who make the music they don't want to make - for example, they > make commercial jingles or music for educational software. Some of these > assignments take a rather uncreative approach. One friend of mine who makes > commercial jingles was asked to record 30 versions of a BB King song, all > trying to sound as much as possible as the original recordings by different > blues musicians, because the company didn't want to license the original > recordings. > C) People who are honest to goodness professional musicians in the way you > think: I know 2. In both cases, they were able to be professional musicians > only for the 3-5 years that their bands were really popular. Then they had > to supplement their income with music-related jobs. > D) Professional Musicians through Grantwriting: Again, I personally know > 2, and am acquainted with a 3rd. All 3 spend as much or more time either > applying for grants, high-paying residencies and performance opportunities > as they do making music. That's not bad - it's just what it takes. The good > news is they get to make the music they want to make. One caveat here is > that they are all dream candidates for grants organizations - they look > great on pamphlets that say "we gave our grant to this person". Two are > hip-looking, beautiful ladies, and the third is a hip-looking, very > handsome man. They are very talented at their music too - appearance isn't > anything, but I know lots of talented, hard-working folks who don't get > grants. > > Another thing to consider is music-related jobs. I know a few people who > are employed full time running the recording studio that records voice > talent for videogames and software. Others work for music services like > Pandora. > > I think it's kind of unfair that the education system expects you to know > what you want to do with the rest of your life before the age of 20. About > half the adults I know wound up in careers that are unrelated to what their > college major was. > > I for one really enjoy having a day job that is not related to music. I > switched majors from music to psychology in college, and now work in an > office. I discovered in my 30s that I have real talents that are not at all > music-related (or psychology related), and that I honestly like the nature > of the work I do. This leaves my musical mind "fresh" when I want to play > the kind of music I want to play, and I don't struggle for money as much as > many of my professional musician friends. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > Gmail was like: > > So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the future >> (Junior year highschool). I feel torn by this decision especially >> considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... I kinda want to >> major in some field of piano music, but I don't want to have to end my >> hobby/goal/love for electronic music. However without my piano background I >> probably would have no musical knowledge to fuel my electronic music and >> also wouldn't have known the joys of the emotional roller-coaster music >> brings :p. >> Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this position) >> What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for me right now yet >> its barely the beginning :/ >> > > > > > --e0cb4efe33a836507404b6c606fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was an English major and jazz guitar minor.

The best advice I cou= ld give is to take your time figuring out what you want to study. You don&#= 39;t have to study music to play all the time.

Also, if you don'= ;t like the music program at the school you end up at, see if you can take = classes at a nearby school (e.g. University of Rochester is in a consortium= with Eastman School of Music).



=A0

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1= 0:37 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Gmail,

I'm not sure if you said you already have a piano bac= kground, or that you would have one if you majored in it.

These day= s, I think pursuing electronic music & recording technology is the way = to go if you want to be a professional musician. A background in piano is a= great start. Keep taking theory, composition and orchestration classes, bu= t also learn how to use the complicated samplers and workstations that will= let you "play" the sounds of an entire orchestra. I think as the= technology changes, those skills will make you more hireable and more adap= table than being a really good pianist.

That said, I'm sure folks have told you that there are very few mus= ic jobs. The folks I know who do are full time musicians tend to be on a sc= ale between:
A) People who make the music they want to make, and make e= nds meet by giving music lessons, etc, and wind up making about the same am= ount of money as if they worked at McDonalds full time.
B) People who make the music they don't want to make - for example, the= y make commercial jingles or music for educational software. Some of these = assignments take a rather uncreative approach. One friend of mine who makes= commercial jingles was asked to record 30 versions of a BB King song, all = trying to sound as much as possible as the original recordings by different= blues musicians, because the company didn't want to license the origin= al recordings.
C) People who are honest to goodness professional musicians in the way you = think: I know 2. In both cases, they were able to be professional musicians= only for the 3-5 years that their bands were really popular. Then they had= to supplement their income with music-related jobs.
D) Professional Musicians through Grantwriting: Again, I personally know 2,= and am acquainted with a 3rd. All 3 spend as much or more time either appl= ying for grants, high-paying residencies and performance opportunities as t= hey do making music. That's not bad - it's just what it takes. The = good news is they get to make the music they want to make. One caveat here = is that they are all dream candidates for grants organizations - they look = great on pamphlets that say "we gave our grant to this person". T= wo are hip-looking, beautiful ladies, and the third is a hip-looking, very = handsome man. They are very talented at their music too - appearance isn= 9;t anything, but I know lots of talented, hard-working folks who don't= get grants.

Another thing to consider is music-related jobs. I know a few people wh= o are employed full time running the recording studio that records voice ta= lent for videogames and software. Others work for music services like Pando= ra.

I think it's kind of unfair that the education system expects you t= o know what you want to do with the rest of your life before the age of 20.= About half the adults I know wound up in careers that are unrelated to wha= t their college major was.

I for one really enjoy having a day job that is not related to music. I= switched majors from music to psychology in college, and now work in an of= fice. I discovered in my 30s that I have real talents that are not at all m= usic-related (or psychology related), and that I honestly like the nature o= f the work I do. This leaves my musical mind "fresh" when I want = to play the kind of music I want to play, and I don't struggle for mone= y as much as many of my professional musician friends.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomema= tt.podomatic.com
http= ://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

Gmail <k3zz21@= gmail.com> was like:

So I'm at the part of my life to choose = what I want to do in the future (Junior year highschool). I feel torn by th= is decision especially considering that I'm highly indecisive on a dail= y basis... I kinda want to major in some field of piano music, but I don= 9;t want to have to end my hobby/goal/love for electronic music. However wi= thout my piano background I probably would have no musical knowledge to fue= l my electronic music and also wouldn't have known the joys of the emot= ional roller-coaster music brings :p.
Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this position= ) What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for me right now yet= its barely the beginning :/





--e0cb4efe33a836507404b6c606fb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 08:07:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7738618345F; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SB8slue7GqDV6my4AKGUwg)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-18_04:2012-01-17,2012-01-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201180001 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: College Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:07:11 -0800 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:07:21 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_SB8slue7GqDV6my4AKGUwg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the future (Junior year highschool).I feel torn by this decision especially considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... I While it may be true that there are points in life where we have to make seemingly big choices... Its also true that we never run out of big choices to make. So, don't sweat it too much man. Enjoy the mystery of who you will come to be. the journey.. not the destination, that flashes before your eyes in the end. and now, my LD brethren, please don't let the following link restart the Os-X Windoze debate :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1R-jKKp3NA peace all Daniel On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:38 PM, daniel wrote: > I was an English major and jazz guitar minor. > > The best advice I could give is to take your time figuring out what you want to study. You don't have to study music to play all the time. > > Also, if you don't like the music program at the school you end up at, see if you can take classes at a nearby school (e.g. University of Rochester is in a consortium with Eastman School of Music). > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi Gmail, > > I'm not sure if you said you already have a piano background, or that you would have one if you majored in it. > > These days, I think pursuing electronic music & recording technology is the way to go if you want to be a professional musician. A background in piano is a great start. Keep taking theory, composition and orchestration classes, but also learn how to use the complicated samplers and workstations that will let you "play" the sounds of an entire orchestra. I think as the technology changes, those skills will make you more hireable and more adaptable than being a really good pianist. > > That said, I'm sure folks have told you that there are very few music jobs. The folks I know who do are full time musicians tend to be on a scale between: > A) People who make the music they want to make, and make ends meet by giving music lessons, etc, and wind up making about the same amount of money as if they worked at McDonalds full time. > B) People who make the music they don't want to make - for example, they make commercial jingles or music for educational software. Some of these assignments take a rather uncreative approach. One friend of mine who makes commercial jingles was asked to record 30 versions of a BB King song, all trying to sound as much as possible as the original recordings by different blues musicians, because the company didn't want to license the original recordings. > C) People who are honest to goodness professional musicians in the way you think: I know 2. In both cases, they were able to be professional musicians only for the 3-5 years that their bands were really popular. Then they had to supplement their income with music-related jobs. > D) Professional Musicians through Grantwriting: Again, I personally know 2, and am acquainted with a 3rd. All 3 spend as much or more time either applying for grants, high-paying residencies and performance opportunities as they do making music. That's not bad - it's just what it takes. The good news is they get to make the music they want to make. One caveat here is that they are all dream candidates for grants organizations - they look great on pamphlets that say "we gave our grant to this person". Two are hip-looking, beautiful ladies, and the third is a hip-looking, very handsome man. They are very talented at their music too - appearance isn't anything, but I know lots of talented, hard-working folks who don't get grants. > > Another thing to consider is music-related jobs. I know a few people who are employed full time running the recording studio that records voice talent for videogames and software. Others work for music services like Pandora. > > I think it's kind of unfair that the education system expects you to know what you want to do with the rest of your life before the age of 20. About half the adults I know wound up in careers that are unrelated to what their college major was. > > I for one really enjoy having a day job that is not related to music. I switched majors from music to psychology in college, and now work in an office. I discovered in my 30s that I have real talents that are not at all music-related (or psychology related), and that I honestly like the nature of the work I do. This leaves my musical mind "fresh" when I want to play the kind of music I want to play, and I don't struggle for money as much as many of my professional musician friends. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > Gmail was like: > > So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the future (Junior year highschool). I feel torn by this decision especially considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... I kinda want to major in some field of piano music, but I don't want to have to end my hobby/goal/love for electronic music. However without my piano background I probably would have no musical knowledge to fuel my electronic music and also wouldn't have known the joys of the emotional roller-coaster music brings :p. > Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this position) What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for me right now yet its barely the beginning :/ > > > > > --Boundary_(ID_SB8slue7GqDV6my4AKGUwg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the = future (Junior year highschool).I feel torn by this decision especially = considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... = I 

<= /div>

While it may be true that there are points in = life where we have to make seemingly big choices...    Its = also true that we never run out of big choices to make.  So, don't = sweat it too much man.  Enjoy the mystery of who you will come to = be.
the journey..  not the destination, that flashes = before your eyes in the end. 

and now, my = LD brethren, please don't let the following link restart the Os-X = Windoze debate :)


peace = all
Daniel 

  

On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:38 PM, daniel wrote:

I was an = English major and jazz guitar minor.

The best advice I could = give is to take your time figuring out what you want to study. You don't = have to study music to play all the time.

Also, if you don't = like the music program at the school you end up at, see if you can take = classes at a nearby school (e.g. University of Rochester is in a = consortium with Eastman School of Music).



 

On Tue, Jan 17, = 2012 at 10:37 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Gmail,

I'm not sure if you said you already have a piano = background, or that you would have one if you majored in it. =

These days, I think pursuing electronic music & recording = technology is the way to go if you want to be a professional musician. A = background in piano is a great start. Keep taking theory, composition = and orchestration classes, but also learn how to use the complicated = samplers and workstations that will let you "play" the sounds of an = entire orchestra. I think as the technology changes, those skills will = make you more hireable and more adaptable than being a really good = pianist.

That said, I'm sure folks have told you that there are very few = music jobs. The folks I know who do are full time musicians tend to be = on a scale between:
A) People who make the music they want to make, = and make ends meet by giving music lessons, etc, and wind up making = about the same amount of money as if they worked at McDonalds full time. =
B) People who make the music they don't want to make - for example, they = make commercial jingles or music for educational software. Some of these = assignments take a rather uncreative approach. One friend of mine who = makes commercial jingles was asked to record 30 versions of a BB King = song, all trying to sound as much as possible as the original recordings = by different blues musicians, because the company didn't want to license = the original recordings.
C) People who are honest to goodness professional musicians in the way = you think: I know 2. In both cases, they were able to be professional = musicians only for the 3-5 years that their bands were really popular. = Then they had to supplement their income with music-related jobs.
D) Professional Musicians through Grantwriting: Again, I personally know = 2, and am acquainted with a 3rd. All 3 spend as much or more time either = applying for grants, high-paying residencies and performance = opportunities as they do making music. That's not bad - it's just what = it takes. The good news is they get to make the music they want to make. = One caveat here is that they are all dream candidates for grants = organizations - they look great on pamphlets that say "we gave our grant = to this person". Two are hip-looking, beautiful ladies, and the third is = a hip-looking, very handsome man. They are very talented at their music = too - appearance isn't anything, but I know lots of talented, = hard-working folks who don't get grants.

Another thing to consider is music-related jobs. I know a few people = who are employed full time running the recording studio that records = voice talent for videogames and software. Others work for music services = like Pandora.

I think it's kind of unfair that the education system expects you to = know what you want to do with the rest of your life before the age of = 20. About half the adults I know wound up in careers that are unrelated = to what their college major was.

I for one really enjoy having a day job that is not related to = music. I switched majors from music to psychology in college, and now = work in an office. I discovered in my 30s that I have real talents that = are not at all music-related (or psychology related), and that I = honestly like the nature of the work I do. This leaves my musical mind = "fresh" when I want to play the kind of music I want to play, and I = don't struggle for money as much as many of my professional musician = friends.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> was = like:

So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the = future (Junior year highschool). I feel torn by this decision especially = considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... I kinda want = to major in some field of piano music, but I don't want to have to end = my hobby/goal/love for electronic music. However without my piano = background I probably would have no musical knowledge to fuel my = electronic music and also wouldn't have known the joys of the emotional = roller-coaster music brings :p.
Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this position) = What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for me right now = yet its barely the beginning :/






= --Boundary_(ID_SB8slue7GqDV6my4AKGUwg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 09:22:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6321D18345E; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Rhmo7SXeTR7Tn070VAZvuylSBNu6OWACad9zdmFkzwM=; b=Dmr32CEea0XWz8lvA6GaOXvCeMf6xWV4FKU9Hw5OTPVh2ueToil4Viys23cp97xdJ9 8ZINEruVdEzzCRz5KOkT3oHGHCTk7ftZgUt1JeFJWcpWkn/vaH0mew+w8dp7v2+EgWo7 FwfjBuUVCTOvPabb9mu5FdeC1LDNGAx8ij+5Q= References: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:22:10 +0100 Message-ID: <6738292681010518589@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: College To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444eda1e2f06704b6c9fbdb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:22:18 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444eda1e2f06704b6c9fbdb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 At your age, I made a very sensible choice, I went to Art College. Not particularly because I was any good at art, more because I figured all the coolest bands happened in Art College (eno, Roxy,gristle,Floyd,wire,) plus, there was so many varied things on offer, from performance, to graphics to film to paint... in the end there wasn't the course I really wanted so I created one( that still runs today) by bringing together lecturers from graphics and film, and building a video-infographics course. now nearly in my 50s I have the same dilemmas as you... this time its a mid life thing... don't worry, work hard, and don't waste your time, whatever you choose, that's what you will regret... good luck... mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 18 Jan 2012, at 09:07, Daniel Thomas wrote: So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the future >> (Junior year highschool).I feel torn by this decision especially >> considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis... > > --f46d0444eda1e2f06704b6c9fbdb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At your age, I made a very sensible ch= oice, I went to Art College. Not particularly because I was any good at art= , more because I figured all the coolest bands happened in Art College (eno= , Roxy,gristle,Floyd,wire,) plus, there was so many varied things on offer,= from performance, to graphics to film to paint... in the end there wasn= 9;t the course I really wanted so I created one( that still runs today) by = bringing together lecturers from graphics and film, and building a video-in= fographics course.

now nearly in my 50s I have the same dilemmas as you...= this time its a mid life thing...

don't worry= , work hard, and don't waste your time, whatever you choose, that's= what you will regret...

good luck...

mark

Sent = from my (advertisement removed)

On 18 Jan 2012, at 09:07, Dan= iel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.c= om> wrote:


So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the future= (Junior year highschool).I feel torn by this decision especially consideri= ng that I'm highly indecisive on a daily basis...=A0
--f46d0444eda1e2f06704b6c9fbdb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 10:45:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4893218345D; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F16A2BE.4060701@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:45:18 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: College References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-p5LrC.A.2bH.HLqFPB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:45:27 +0000 (UTC) What I've learned in my life is that if you do what you truly love and you keep doing it everyday..............if you learn to turn off the many, many voices in our society that say that economic security should be the basis of most of life's lifestyle decisions, occupationally, that you will be as happy as it's possible to be. It's a lot harder for me to make money that it used to be as a professional musician and music teacher but making the decision to go that route has let me have the most amazing life. When I was 25 years old, I looked myself in the mirror and told myself......'work hard for the next year of your life and learn everything that you think you should learn and then decide what city in the US to move to to attempt to be a professional musician'. My parents were against it.........some of my friend thought I was nuts, but, in my case, I realized that I wouldn't be happiest unless I went for it with all of my being. That was my path and it's not everyone's, obviously, but I know a lot of people who have good day jobs and put all of their heart and soul in their off hours into being musicians. Honestly, some of the best musicians I've ever know have day jobs and some only make music for a living. Sometimes, struggling financially, and having to compromise commercially speaking can really get in the way of being creative. Some of the most 'stuck' musicians I know, creatively, are professional musicians. The key, I think, though, is to pursue your dreams with all of your heart. Increasing piano skills and learning how to make electronic music and be good at recording and producing don't have to be at odds with each other. In my life, I make a ton of decisions that don't make sense for the amount of time that I have to put into them. I just started playing violin this past month and I'm 58 years old. I have no chance of making money as a violinst, EVER............but I'm just in love with it and progressing very rapidly because of it. Good luck and remember, you do not have to have your life figured out before you are 25 years old....... Hardly anyone I know ever did. Rick Walker > > Gmail > was like: > > So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the > future (Junior year highschool). I feel torn by this decision > especially considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily > basis... I kinda want to major in some field of piano music, but I > don't want to have to end my hobby/goal/love for electronic music. > However without my piano background I probably would have no > musical knowledge to fuel my electronic music and also wouldn't > have known the joys of the emotional roller-coaster music brings :p. > Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this > position) What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for > me right now yet its barely the beginning :/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 10:56:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31F0F183461; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LPmDWw21rstB90vLu/m1DWmLjY40qrOBotPtHGl7a1I=; b=jDRroYfWRH1GI0xjO5Db9lobgbznRq/GtdT1Gbv6CHNRKA9qVOxv0oUElGUQq+eNNi PNn7Mq/Pr2jC5+PlvgB/kq68HQa+lOlKe6qONlJNsbQzB77CxdWtn99AOll+NuWdBTFr rHyGHlKhEpwY8rkDuDGh/bSzCYzMnlpCXkpyc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:56:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba96339ae1004b6cb4d57 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:56:39 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba96339ae1004b6cb4d57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think basicallly that national copyright offices and the legislation is so way behind, of this new business model that they are just about to realise how things should be dealt in 21st century. 2012/1/17 mark francombe > I hear you, I just discovered that ALL the music I produce at work > (basically the only thing I LIKE about my job) has to be registered at TONO > (Norwegian Performing rights office) and they will charge my customers. I > cant work like that. I have been previously licensing my work to my > customers companies as a one shot deal. That is, its used free of charge > (they are paying for a film after all) for that ONE film, but if they > choose to use it somewhere else, then they must come to me. > > This has worked fine, until now, when TONO discovered I was doing this and > said that I couldnt be a member of TONO AND license my own stuff as I > chose! I HAD to accept their way of liscensing. Which these customers would > NOT accept. They do not have budgets for repeat fees, or per user fees, > they have a one off, HUGE budget for one big Anti-corruption program (with > freaky music). > > Im still waiting on answers from people in offices on this... > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Petri Lahtinen < > kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I just left the Finnish copyright association Teosto because they have >> restrictions of artist selling >> from his/her own website. They allow only 80 minutes of material or 20 >> pieces to be sold? >> I think that restriction is not from this century, so I'm licensing all >> my future work through CreativeCommons. >> I know, cant get a penny from CC but at least my hands are not tied if I >> choose to sell my own creations. >> >> >> >> >> 2012/1/17 Per Boysen >> >>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David Gans wrote: >>> > I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and >>> he said he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." It's a continuum. >>> >>> Good thinking by Grisman. One could also look at it from the other >>> perspective and say that composition is "cheating improvisation" ;-) >>> (couldn't resist jumping in on that OT) >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > -- Petri --e89a8f3ba96339ae1004b6cb4d57 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think basicallly that national copyright offices and the legislation
i= s so way behind, of this new business model that they are just about to rea= lise how things should be dealt in 21st century.

2012/1/17 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
I hear you, I just discovered that ALL the music I produce at work (basical= ly the only thing I LIKE about my job) has to be registered at TONO (Norweg= ian Performing rights office) and they will charge my customers. I cant wor= k like that. I have been previously licensing my work to my customers compa= nies as a one shot deal. That is, its used free of charge (they are paying = for a film after all) for that ONE film, but if they choose to use it somew= here else, then they must come to me.

This has worked fine, until now, when TONO discovered I was doing this = and said that I couldnt be a member of TONO AND license my own stuff as I c= hose! I HAD to accept their way of liscensing. Which these customers would = NOT accept. They do not have budgets for repeat fees, or per user fees, the= y have a one off, HUGE budget for one big Anti-corruption program (with fre= aky music).

Im still waiting on answers from people in offices on this...






On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Petri Lahtinen <= ;kollegava= lmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
I just left the Finnish copyright associatio= n Teosto because they have restrictions of artist selling
from his/her o= wn website. They allow only 80 minutes of material or 20 pieces to be sold?=
I think that restriction is not from this century, so I'm licensing all= my future work through CreativeCommons.
I know, cant get a penny from CC but at least my hands are not tied if I ch= oose to sell my own creations.




2012/1/17 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David = Gans <david@trufun= .com> wrote:
> I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and h= e said he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." =A0It= 9;s a continuum.

Good thinking by Grisman. One could also look at it from the other perspective and say that composition is "cheating improvisation" = ;-)
(couldn't resist jumping in on that OT)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--





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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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Petri
<= br>
--e89a8f3ba96339ae1004b6cb4d57-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 10:57:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AE6318345F; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F16A592.7010500@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:57:22 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Thomas CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: College References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:57:31 +0000 (UTC) "......you've got to find what you love...............if you haven't found it yet, keep looking and don't settle....." - Steve Jobs R.I.P. Thank you so much for sharing this Daniel. It is an amazingly inspirational speech and I've found that what he exhorts the Stanford graduates to do resonates completely with my own life's work. warmly, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 10:57:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B37318345E; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xqRGpbKgGPTssAZ4wpfwAK6wwL6ewNHKdGW8y52tRiA=; b=DeErqo+Hr7jWwbDH7J66x3C6+ihSfO+c4YrniPOa0T7Z0S38oaTV+0ZH7xSo6HYI4h hHZ+ngTaEl0q8O9hWTa90/ybnMc1LtA80BNDYWAayDYnZJOm8QEVxyxDDIRWwOA4OcWY jwp6TMdEj9cUkeMJdT2P87O/9vxHvq4RceW78= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:57:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f646abfd98ccf04b6cb51ea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:57:55 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f646abfd98ccf04b6cb51ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark, the situation you described is basically the one that I dont want to end up in. 2012/1/18 Petri Lahtinen > I think basicallly that national copyright offices and the legislation > is so way behind, of this new business model that they are just about to > realise how things should be dealt in 21st century. > > > 2012/1/17 mark francombe > >> I hear you, I just discovered that ALL the music I produce at work >> (basically the only thing I LIKE about my job) has to be registered at TONO >> (Norwegian Performing rights office) and they will charge my customers. I >> cant work like that. I have been previously licensing my work to my >> customers companies as a one shot deal. That is, its used free of charge >> (they are paying for a film after all) for that ONE film, but if they >> choose to use it somewhere else, then they must come to me. >> >> This has worked fine, until now, when TONO discovered I was doing this >> and said that I couldnt be a member of TONO AND license my own stuff as I >> chose! I HAD to accept their way of liscensing. Which these customers would >> NOT accept. They do not have budgets for repeat fees, or per user fees, >> they have a one off, HUGE budget for one big Anti-corruption program (with >> freaky music). >> >> Im still waiting on answers from people in offices on this... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Petri Lahtinen < >> kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I just left the Finnish copyright association Teosto because they have >>> restrictions of artist selling >>> from his/her own website. They allow only 80 minutes of material or 20 >>> pieces to be sold? >>> I think that restriction is not from this century, so I'm licensing all >>> my future work through CreativeCommons. >>> I know, cant get a penny from CC but at least my hands are not tied if I >>> choose to sell my own creations. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2012/1/17 Per Boysen >>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David Gans wrote: >>>> > I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and >>>> he said he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." It's a continuum. >>>> >>>> Good thinking by Grisman. One could also look at it from the other >>>> perspective and say that composition is "cheating improvisation" ;-) >>>> (couldn't resist jumping in on that OT) >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Mark Francombe* >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> >> > > > -- > Petri > > > -- Petri --e89a8f646abfd98ccf04b6cb51ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, the situation you described is basically the one that I dont want to = end up in.




2012/1/18 Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalm= entaja@gmail.com>
I think basicallly that national copyright o= ffices and the legislation
is so way behind, of this new business model = that they are just about to realise how things should be dealt in 21st cent= ury.


2012/1/17 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
I hear you, I just discovered that ALL the music I produce at work (basical= ly the only thing I LIKE about my job) has to be registered at TONO (Norweg= ian Performing rights office) and they will charge my customers. I cant wor= k like that. I have been previously licensing my work to my customers compa= nies as a one shot deal. That is, its used free of charge (they are paying = for a film after all) for that ONE film, but if they choose to use it somew= here else, then they must come to me.

This has worked fine, until now, when TONO discovered I was doing this = and said that I couldnt be a member of TONO AND license my own stuff as I c= hose! I HAD to accept their way of liscensing. Which these customers would = NOT accept. They do not have budgets for repeat fees, or per user fees, the= y have a one off, HUGE budget for one big Anti-corruption program (with fre= aky music).

Im still waiting on answers from people in offices on this...
=





On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at = 8:23 PM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
I just left the Finnish copyright associatio= n Teosto because they have restrictions of artist selling
from his/her o= wn website. They allow only 80 minutes of material or 20 pieces to be sold?=
I think that restriction is not from this century, so I'm licensing all= my future work through CreativeCommons.
I know, cant get a penny from CC but at least my hands are not tied if I ch= oose to sell my own creations.




2012/1/17 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David = Gans <david@trufun= .com> wrote:
> I asked mandolinist David Grisman about improvised vs. composed, and h= e said he thinks of improvisation as "fast composition." =A0It= 9;s a continuum.

Good thinking by Grisman. One could also look at it from the other perspective and say that composition is "cheating improvisation" = ;-)
(couldn't resist jumping in on that OT)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--





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<= i style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,255,255);background= -color:rgb(0,0,0)">Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
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Petri





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Petri

--e89a8f646abfd98ccf04b6cb51ea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 12:31:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CE4718345C; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KYLgcMWt7tDteu/DOn21DWpJtuqKc6zTE7VfMtA8Oc0=; b=PeCsNyIn46tVYAEUTDWL9FZdVD7Qi7rN0q+GqehEI1ihZtBYPxVSG7vWwzQJp16uuy nvz7ZPsmP5W/b8WEQuCAcAs2kp+ClsIfg5UTSxga1oqvqT3WgqTEHodQhcF7cQKEqaeT EaZUBvKTQ15pue/b+txddCqoE+zDGHl4dR0S4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:31:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:31:17 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > I think basicallly that national copyright offices and the legislation > is so way behind, of this new business model that they are just about to > realise how things should be dealt in 21st century. I think you are right about that, but one should not forget that this is also the point. In order to protect immaterial property - like music, that in fact is just a unique idea about distribution of sound in time - the law has to focus on more fundamental values than the fluctuating market related factors business models typically are dealing with. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 13:30:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 961D0183460; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 723078441/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.74/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.74 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah0CAC7JFk9YbRJK/2dsb2JhbAAMOJ0VjzCDeAEBAQQ4UQsYCSUPAkYZAwHAYYk4AQEFAwQNBQsEAgQBBQMCDBEDCQEBBgEFLAECAQEIAQEBAQILAgIBAQIIAhAEAQgLAQcEGQ0TCwEIBAQDGwKCP4McBJpVjQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,529,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="723078441" Message-ID: <4F16C952.70706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:29:54 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Start Point - Click in Loop? EDP DC Offset References: <824BA07B-76B5-415E-9C75-C2F710A058B2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <824BA07B-76B5-415E-9C75-C2F710A058B2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7TGPxC.A.GTB.jlsFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:30:11 +0000 (UTC) so the butler was...er...badgered... and managed to dredge up the answer. Indeed, this has all the hallmarks of the well known DC offset problem. This except from the LD archives explains the fix, it's from Kim Flint. andy >anyway, for John, here's how to set the trimpot: > >********************************************* > >This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with >the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!* If >you >are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me! > >There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume knobs. >It's >job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not set right >for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear. > >To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The test >basically turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an offset >you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a scope, >whichever way you like.) While that's going, you adjust the trimmer until >the tone/waveform reaches it's mimimum. > >To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the Parameter >and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup screen goes by, >until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should say 7F. Press >parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to start the trimmer >test. > >You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. (turning input volume off, mix to >"loop", and the output volume up helps.) The tone will change in level as >you adjust the trimpot. Adjust to where the tone is at it's lowest level. >(you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz should become nearly >inaudible.) After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again will >stop >the test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up normally. > >********************************************** >kim openjam@aol.com wrote: > My EDP (Oberhiem with Loop 3, 5.0) has developed a click at the start > point of each new loop. Sometimes its more audible then others. > > Any ideas? > An obvious suspect would be the start point led - perhaps something has > failed. > > I tried the archives but could not retrieve any similar symptoms. Please > direct if you know of a case. > > Thanks > Todd Quincy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 17:18:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23D15183461; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 130563.58015.bm@omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326907104; bh=rdvprRERxMB/fYlDs9JJxLgbxlYPPU1Gz3E0skFiuJk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=SNu4nWws4gJJo2ciVYERzQ95AhwFO243xE7xQNaFbpvu5O2T2sDI5SmLy2H58QDGISMo/jbGer5m68xET1yFkiPWvnfqPuS1JYpPKX7xwMrNnt11DoQzQQ3C+6vtsbJxwBIqlRIh0rLJe9RDkQ+rfxAjwNxBhhIKKA+/BM5QSNE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Qil95_IVM1nsO_1.4O7MHdf0yyB9qJNE5vTOJzROuziCUIs W.h5Qk.jTHwGQi6cmxa_6rV_hCABPVHCzrpjq7xAjcNXdgGN1UQcY0PWfmAU HvECy3ZUAod2mgXrBowzSB5s4GfyLonwknaUOWF0PKT9iF0I5pymyCfREqlF qyAl0DtKO3Bo8m81Ie1LbHQ6L9.LU_9oO9TyqKqvBQ51vIEsVvs.2hMl5OSp bjaOAzVJs8fvWdkYnST2LRPri81neJC1IRGugfPqXSP3eiYQ5O9_bxTsS9Qf sBFLE.DpcP_bYPsYyqojAhDzph2Apa3v.zvfJ9knseAm9iZRYxp5yvVAX3TA SlpZx1modLcKvOx79NqU_33dzVIX2eGXsFPjMI1qwLRbCc8xcThR0Y7sLDox Et9bFp_t.amsnB8L82lbIhw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: College Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:18:21 -0800 References: <8AA571F0-722A-457D-8354-F83CDE957490@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Hey, gmail, every decision you make isn't black and white, or totally right or totally wrong. Each decision simply opens up new possibilities, and this goes on forever! Hang in there, there's a lot of good advice in the other posts so I won't repeat it. For what its worth, I've been working at being a full-time professional musician for the last few years, and have been teaching voice students and music theory and loving it! But teaching isn't for everybody. Did you ever think you would get so much advice from the old farts when you posted? Michael Carlson (3x09) On Jan 17, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Gmail wrote: > So I'm at the part of my life to choose what I want to do in the > future (Junior year highschool). I feel torn by this decision > especially considering that I'm highly indecisive on a daily > basis... I kinda want to major in some field of piano music, but I > don't want to have to end my hobby/goal/love for electronic music. > However without my piano background I probably would have no musical > knowledge to fuel my electronic music and also wouldn't have known > the joys of the emotional roller-coaster music brings :p. > Basically I'm asking (particularly anyone who has been in this > position) What should I do? It feels like the end of the world for > me right now yet its barely the beginning :/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 20:32:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44C6518345E; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rx04mBvOc8ZI1dDYUTw8qFjrGJddBvy/Nw2Dlr75MQw=; b=MQ7Bc21t5i2MXMFT6eACMaknut8eSxc8HmLGZ9Ca82fIVuhGDQX4IFRI+RY4pH1OSI gbpYOIiDyqMA0mscVqEz3bCtL1jOcX81j8Er+h5Wx5lgbaxFNU9m1vrN5Noi3pZ147m1 8+Z7A1Kr/Y73zrSvaZsLK3OhA8bS26+OAu7Wk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:32:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba96372691704b6d358b7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:32:26 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba96372691704b6d358b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The mechanisation of music is really "young" business, so no wonder the legislation is going through changes, now, in the age of sopa and pipa 2012/1/18 Per Boysen > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > I think basicallly that national copyright offices and the legislation > > is so way behind, of this new business model that they are just about to > > realise how things should be dealt in 21st century. > > > I think you are right about that, but one should not forget that this > is also the point. In order to protect immaterial property - like > music, that in fact is just a unique idea about distribution of sound > in time - the law has to focus on more fundamental values than the > fluctuating market related factors business models typically are > dealing with. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f3ba96372691704b6d358b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The mechanisation of music is really "young" business,
so no w= onder the legislation is going through changes,
now, in the age of sopa = and pipa

2012/1/18 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com= >
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11= :56 AM, Petri Lahtinen
<kollegavalmentaja@gmail.= com> wrote:
> I think basicallly that national copyright offices and the legislation=
> is so way behind, of this new business model that they are just about = to
> realise how things should be dealt in 21st century.


I think you are right about that, but one should not forget that this=
is also the point. In order to protect immaterial property - like
music, that in fact is just a unique idea about distribution of sound
in time - the law has to focus on more fundamental values than the
fluctuating market related factors business models typically are
dealing with.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
Petri Lahti= nen


--e89a8f3ba96372691704b6d358b7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 20:45:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7646D18345D; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=GfeltL4DSD1Jabsicyem29HnsbNPO0Rg6P9MKelZ/gw=; b=UnpJW0UsHazxFL/qeA3eP9xDWCxkhwIcg2ss0og+DstR+j0XVSvSc5f9et+6EJrmRk KXkGryBleFobBv/vuAkxx1tWykrEQJcD6JT6qT4yQ5vomIJUAy+4zUDqKXZh9UvUoS4j my6WXtNmPai8xGKFkJVblaOrHUmjrgDwRaJkQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:45:36 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Stereo Separation? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340e73dc373904b6d388a0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:45:58 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340e73dc373904b6d388a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am curious as to how others are using their gear to great stereo separation in recordings or on stage. Right now, I run everything mono, but like the idea of going stereo. My rig: Mic Chili Dog Octave Pedal Line 6 M13 Boomerang III Sans Amp Bass Driver DI PA Vids of my rig: http://youtu.be/SZEiGB5AzsU http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o I play harmonica, hum bass lines, and beatbox into this rig. The M13 and Boomerang are stereo, but I run them mono. I like the idea of having the "bass" coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the other. The beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center. I am also thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of the M13 and Bass Driver DI to allow me to pan patches. Not only that, it would let me use different patches for each "instrument" before hitting the looper. Right now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via the DI. It works ok, but I have to compromise the tone of all three parts - harmonica, humming, beatboxing. The HD500 would let me set up a harmonica patch, a bass patch, and a beatbox patch with only one stomp (which I do all the time to cycle effects from the M13) Thanks for your thoughts! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --14dae9340e73dc373904b6d388a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am curious as to how others are using their gear to great stereo separati= on in recordings or on stage.=A0 Right now, I run everything mono, but like= the idea of going stereo.

My rig:

Mic
Chili Dog Octave Pe= dal
Line 6 M13
Boomerang III
Sans Amp Bass Driver DI
PA

Vids of= my rig:

http://youtu.be/SZE= iGB5AzsU
http://youtu.be/2bv= 4nKoqI3o

I play harmonica, hum bass lines, and beatbox into this rig.=A0 The M13= and Boomerang are stereo, but I run them mono.=A0 I like the idea of havin= g the "bass" coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the oth= er.=A0 The beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center.

I am also thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of the M1= 3 and Bass Driver DI to allow me to pan patches.=A0 Not only that, it would= let me use different patches for each "instrument" before hittin= g the looper.=A0 Right now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via the DI.= =A0 It works ok, but I have to compromise the tone of all three parts - har= monica, humming, beatboxing.=A0 The HD500 would let me set up a harmonica p= atch, a bass patch, and a beatbox patch with only one stomp (which I do all= the time to cycle effects from the M13)

Thanks for your thoughts!
----------
Mike Fugazzivocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
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Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

--14dae9340e73dc373904b6d388a0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 20:52:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C729C18345F; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=jQwjmCIGH8/ZVErO45evzZoX83VdLlj0Zzb7wtfJgNQ=; b=IMM7qOSRGAB5CzQGHVpSl5q4C57ScLlQKZ3HUxOVDazd2oiCT1JmNXR5Rvewaqkn7a k/AdYlS2alpdIiz3yLOw+So6wmPMpXT25MgWufZTzBqjU4Up7PRXm1tn3EJO9LCOiL6u 0tU89rT9JFy6VCnM5bo8XZNnNkAKWWH17vkU0= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:52:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0753_01CCD5E8.6B1FB1F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: <7KdOv.A.wRG.QEzFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:52:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0753_01CCD5E8.6B1FB1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, it's easy when you are all laptop: Guitar -> RME FireFace 400 -> Computer -> RME Fireface 400 -> PA Once it gets to the laptop, it's all true stereo from that point onward. = I can't image not playing in stereo. Reverbs decay in stereo. Delays = are varied with different L/R times, chorus is stereo, all of my Reaktor = ensembles (instruments and effects) are in stereo. ---- Original Message -----=20 I am curious as to how others are using their gear to great stereo = separation in recordings or on stage. Right now, I run everything mono, = but like the idea of going stereo. My rig: Mic Chili Dog Octave Pedal Line 6 M13 Boomerang III Sans Amp Bass Driver DI PA Vids of my rig: http://youtu.be/SZEiGB5AzsU http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o I play harmonica, hum bass lines, and beatbox into this rig. The M13 = and Boomerang are stereo, but I run them mono. I like the idea of = having the "bass" coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the = other. The beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center. I am also thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of the = M13 and Bass Driver DI to allow me to pan patches. Not only that, it = would let me use different patches for each "instrument" before hitting = the looper. Right now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via the DI. = It works ok, but I have to compromise the tone of all three parts - = harmonica, humming, beatboxing. The HD500 would let me set up a = harmonica patch, a bass patch, and a beatbox patch with only one stomp = (which I do all the time to cycle effects from the M13) Thanks for your thoughts! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0753_01CCD5E8.6B1FB1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, it's easy when you are all=20 laptop:
 
Guitar -> RME FireFace 400 -> = Computer ->=20 RME Fireface 400 -> PA
 
Once it gets to the laptop, it's all = true stereo=20 from that point onward.  I can't image not playing in stereo.  = Reverbs decay in stereo. Delays are varied with different L/R = times, chorus=20 is stereo, all of my Reaktor ensembles (instruments and effects) are in=20 stereo.
 
---- Original Message -----
 

I am curious as to how others are using their gear to = great=20 stereo separation in recordings or on stage.  Right now, I run = everything=20 mono, but like the idea of going stereo.

My = rig:

Mic
Chili=20 Dog Octave Pedal
Line 6 M13
Boomerang III
Sans Amp Bass = Driver=20 DI
PA

Vids of my rig:

http://youtu.be/SZEiGB5AzsU
<= A=20 = href=3D"http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o">http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o
<= BR>I=20 play harmonica, hum bass lines, and beatbox into this rig.  The = M13 and=20 Boomerang are stereo, but I run them mono.  I like the idea of = having the=20 "bass" coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the other.  = The=20 beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center.

I am also = thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of the M13 and = Bass Driver=20 DI to allow me to pan patches.  Not only that, it would let me = use=20 different patches for each "instrument" before hitting the = looper.  Right=20 now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via the DI.  It works ok, = but I=20 have to compromise the tone of all three parts - harmonica, humming,=20 beatboxing.  The HD500 would let me set up a harmonica patch, a = bass=20 patch, and a beatbox patch with only one stomp (which I do all the = time to=20 cycle effects from the M13)

Thanks for your thoughts!----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20

------=_NextPart_000_0753_01CCD5E8.6B1FB1F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 21:00:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51DFA18345F; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=KqyUojZgutaNNCWqdtxNQHDBjdM6OQGj+P9AnkirMyE=; b=n6avw64v1cHS+3ePksEXagcyCaGjz37m3c00+BNxus0Dt8XTryhnWYxStwrMZbYzcF p91nEk2OzFGt3h8WcWHXPQUDRXsjL3Bw/0Oqdc54xlwxC0bRowgLUMBNrdkmLLFZSf5L KdritY8N4bWTyRaYyXSUdBwDid8vSCJkjdYf0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:00:30 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? To: Kris Hartung Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340e7323593e04b6d3be90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:00:52 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340e7323593e04b6d3be90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 At risk of sounding way dumb, do you use a midi controller or something to trigger the loops? I am not very old (31), and do well with technology, but the playing with a computer thing intimidates me. Right now, I could do my effects in stereo or pan an effected signal from the Bass Driver DI with an uneffected signal (which probably doesn't make sense). I can probably use an A/B box to pan some of my signal as it hits the looper too, but that makes for a bulkier rig (hence the allure of the HD500 as it would mean less gear and more stereo options). ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > ** > Well, it's easy when you are all laptop: > > Guitar -> RME FireFace 400 -> Computer -> RME Fireface 400 -> PA > > Once it gets to the laptop, it's all true stereo from that point onward. > I can't image not playing in stereo. Reverbs decay in stereo. Delays are > varied with different L/R times, chorus is stereo, all of my Reaktor > ensembles (instruments and effects) are in stereo. > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > > I am curious as to how others are using their gear to great stereo > separation in recordings or on stage. Right now, I run everything mono, > but like the idea of going stereo. > > My rig: > > Mic > Chili Dog Octave Pedal > Line 6 M13 > Boomerang III > Sans Amp Bass Driver DI > PA > > Vids of my rig: > > http://youtu.be/SZEiGB5AzsU > http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o > > I play harmonica, hum bass lines, and beatbox into this rig. The M13 and > Boomerang are stereo, but I run them mono. I like the idea of having the > "bass" coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the other. The > beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center. > > I am also thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of the M13 > and Bass Driver DI to allow me to pan patches. Not only that, it would let > me use different patches for each "instrument" before hitting the looper. > Right now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via the DI. It works ok, but > I have to compromise the tone of all three parts - harmonica, humming, > beatboxing. The HD500 would let me set up a harmonica patch, a bass patch, > and a beatbox patch with only one stomp (which I do all the time to cycle > effects from the M13) > > Thanks for your thoughts! > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > --14dae9340e7323593e04b6d3be90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At risk of sounding way dumb, do you use a midi controller or something to = trigger the loops?=A0 I am not very old (31), and do well with technology, = but the playing with a computer thing intimidates me.

Right now, I c= ould do my effects in stereo or pan an effected signal from the Bass Driver= DI with an uneffected signal (which probably doesn't make sense).=A0 I= can probably use an A/B box to pan some of my signal as it hits the looper= too, but that makes for a bulkier rig (hence the allure of the HD500 as it= would mean less gear and more stereo options).


----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Kris Ha= rtung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, it's easy when you are all=20 laptop:
=A0
Guitar -> RME FireFace 400 -> Computer ->= ;=20 RME Fireface 400 -> PA
=A0
Once it gets to the laptop, it's all true ste= reo=20 from that point onward.=A0 I can't image not playing in stereo.=A0=20 Reverbs=A0decay in stereo. Delays are varied with different L/R times, chor= us=20 is stereo, all of my Reaktor ensembles (instruments and effects) are in=20 stereo.
=A0
---- Original Message -----
=A0

I am curious as to how others are using their gear to grea= t=20 stereo separation in recordings or on stage.=A0 Right now, I run everythi= ng=20 mono, but like the idea of going stereo.

My rig:

Mic
Chi= li=20 Dog Octave Pedal
Line 6 M13
Boomerang III
Sans Amp Bass Driver= =20 DI
PA

Vids of my rig:

http://youtu.be/SZEiGB5AzsU
http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o
I=20 play harmonica, hum bass lines, and beatbox into this rig.=A0 The M13 and= =20 Boomerang are stereo, but I run them mono.=A0 I like the idea of having t= he=20 "bass" coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the other.= =A0 The=20 beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center.

I am also=20 thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of the M13 and Bass D= river=20 DI to allow me to pan patches.=A0 Not only that, it would let me use=20 different patches for each "instrument" before hitting the loop= er.=A0 Right=20 now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via the DI.=A0 It works ok, but I= =20 have to compromise the tone of all three parts - harmonica, humming,=20 beatboxing.=A0 The HD500 would let me set up a harmonica patch, a bass=20 patch, and a beatbox patch with only one stomp (which I do all the time t= o=20 cycle effects from the M13)

Thanks for your thoughts!
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook=
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20


--14dae9340e7323593e04b6d3be90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 21:08:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 114AC183460; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=qIdBipMqARQKjoLmUvYGuUURdvLmNjNsp86yNlPJcbQ=; b=H11XL6q+8rZcmVnfSiKc8PJAhQkHhDLj3WfAzjsFPWdZF7MO0YbM9EeOnUKfuhR9mP 4pTuXg42IJ+PJh1UCfDbKpblwFc0Mrl1ZDA+bJRYtebqy1NQL7yJPs/tjuDjuQC6tyRF KqDLi77aHedSgSRl24Q6MhB7ehzgAhXzYlqKE= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:08:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0763_01CCD5EA.9AC7A320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: <5G_iSB.A.-mG.7SzFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:08:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0763_01CCD5EA.9AC7A320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Definitely. I use a Berhinger FCB1010, plugged into the FireFace. I also = use an M-Audio Axiom 25 via USB to control soft synths. Right now I am = using Ableton Live as my host, with VSTs and Reaktor insdie of it for = effects, synths, and percussion loops. I ditched Max/MSP. I don't have = time for all the programming.=20 To me the computer really isn't that different than the hardware. It's = all just hardware and software, right? The difference is that when you = buy a particular hardware effect, you are stuck with that software. = Whereas with the computer, you use one piece of hardware to host as many = different forms of software as you like. Once you go to the laptop, = you are just tweaking virtual rater than hard knobs....and some even get = hardware controllers to controll their virtual effects, so they still = have that sense of using hardware. There are pieces of hardware out = there that I have found to be more intimating than using a computer. = What's it like programming an Evantide? =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 At risk of sounding way dumb, do you use a midi controller or = something to trigger the loops? I am not very old (31), and do well = with technology, but the playing with a computer thing intimidates me. Right now, I could do my effects in stereo or pan an effected signal = from the Bass Driver DI with an uneffected signal (which probably = doesn't make sense). I can probably use an A/B box to pan some of my = signal as it hits the looper too, but that makes for a bulkier rig = (hence the allure of the HD500 as it would mean less gear and more = stereo options). ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Kris Hartung = wrote: Well, it's easy when you are all laptop: Guitar -> RME FireFace 400 -> Computer -> RME Fireface 400 -> PA Once it gets to the laptop, it's all true stereo from that point = onward. I can't image not playing in stereo. Reverbs decay in stereo. = Delays are varied with different L/R times, chorus is stereo, all of my = Reaktor ensembles (instruments and effects) are in stereo. ---- Original Message -----=20 I am curious as to how others are using their gear to great stereo = separation in recordings or on stage. Right now, I run everything mono, = but like the idea of going stereo. My rig: Mic Chili Dog Octave Pedal Line 6 M13 Boomerang III Sans Amp Bass Driver DI PA Vids of my rig: http://youtu.be/SZEiGB5AzsU http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o I play harmonica, hum bass lines, and beatbox into this rig. The = M13 and Boomerang are stereo, but I run them mono. I like the idea of = having the "bass" coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the = other. The beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center. I am also thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of = the M13 and Bass Driver DI to allow me to pan patches. Not only that, = it would let me use different patches for each "instrument" before = hitting the looper. Right now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via = the DI. It works ok, but I have to compromise the tone of all three = parts - harmonica, humming, beatboxing. The HD500 would let me set up a = harmonica patch, a bass patch, and a beatbox patch with only one stomp = (which I do all the time to cycle effects from the M13) Thanks for your thoughts! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0763_01CCD5EA.9AC7A320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Definitely. I use a Berhinger FCB1010, = plugged into=20 the FireFace. I also use an M-Audio Axiom 25 via USB to control soft=20 synths.  Right now I am using Ableton Live as my host, with VSTs = and=20 Reaktor insdie of it for effects, synths, and percussion loops.  I = ditched=20 Max/MSP. I don't have time for all the programming.
 
To me the computer really isn't that = different than=20 the hardware.  It's all just hardware and software, right?  = The=20 difference is  that when you buy a particular hardware effect, = you are=20 stuck with that software.  Whereas with the computer, you use one = piece of=20 hardware to host as many different forms of software as you like.  =  =20 Once you go to the laptop, you are just tweaking virtual rater than hard = knobs....and some even get hardware controllers to controll their = virtual=20 effects, so they still have that sense of using = hardware.  There are=20 pieces of hardware out there that I have found to be more intimating = than using=20 a computer.   What's it like programming an = Evantide?  =20
----- Original Message -----
 At=20 risk of sounding way dumb, do you use a midi controller or something = to=20 trigger the loops?  I am not very old (31), and do well with = technology,=20 but the playing with a computer thing intimidates me.

Right = now, I=20 could do my effects in stereo or pan an effected signal from the Bass = Driver=20 DI with an uneffected signal (which probably doesn't make = sense).  I can=20 probably use an A/B box to pan some of my signal as it hits the looper = too,=20 but that makes for a bulkier rig (hence the allure of the HD500 as it = would=20 mean less gear and more stereo options).

----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Kris Hartung = <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, it's easy when you are all = laptop:
 
Guitar -> RME FireFace 400 -> Computer = -> RME=20 Fireface 400 -> PA
 
Once it gets to the laptop, it's all true = stereo from=20 that point onward.  I can't image not playing in stereo. =20 Reverbs decay in stereo. Delays are varied with different L/R = times,=20 chorus is stereo, all of my Reaktor ensembles (instruments and = effects) are=20 in stereo.
 
---- Original Message -----
 

I am curious as to how others are using their gear = to great=20 stereo separation in recordings or on stage.  Right now, I = run=20 everything mono, but like the idea of going stereo.

My=20 rig:

Mic
Chili Dog Octave Pedal
Line 6 = M13
Boomerang=20 III
Sans Amp Bass Driver DI
PA

Vids of my = rig:

http://youtu.be/SZEiGB5AzsU
http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o

I play = harmonica, hum=20 bass lines, and beatbox into this rig.  The M13 and Boomerang = are=20 stereo, but I run them mono.  I like the idea of having the = "bass"=20 coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the other.  The=20 beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center.

I am = also=20 thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of the M13 and = Bass=20 Driver DI to allow me to pan patches.  Not only that, it = would let me=20 use different patches for each "instrument" before hitting the=20 looper.  Right now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via the = DI.  It works ok, but I have to compromise the tone of all = three=20 parts - harmonica, humming, beatboxing.  The HD500 would let = me set=20 up a harmonica patch, a bass patch, and a beatbox patch with only = one=20 stomp (which I do all the time to cycle effects from the=20 M13)

Thanks for your thoughts!
----------
Mike=20 Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 =


------=_NextPart_000_0763_01CCD5EA.9AC7A320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 21:19:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B54CE18345E; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEA43DEBA4F31C_1D1C_4D478_webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEA43DEB91E7F4-1D1C-14F00@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.33.206] Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:18:55 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:272484576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84f1737403dbe Resent-Message-ID: <8nOl4C.A.g0G.GdzFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:19:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEA43DEBA4F31C_1D1C_4D478_webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am not very old (31), and do well with technology, that's nice.....why don't you rub it in!.....:)......i live for stereo!!!!!= ......beeps and boobs sound best this way.....IMNSHO! =20 ----------MB_8CEA43DEBA4F31C_1D1C_4D478_webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I= am not very old (31), and do well with technology,



that= 's nice.....why don't you rub it in!.....:)......i live for stereo!!!!!....= ..beeps and boobs sound best this way.....IMNSHO!
----------MB_8CEA43DEBA4F31C_1D1C_4D478_webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 21:24:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E25418345D; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=SD3atqaVwWNyRNACiRDKaZuHTZxKNjQKo7NOUOOGbn8=; b=PkIG/1LDZNIbZWRATWFLxrhS6hlMBCPRAEArn2+zs5L3HGTyUk/6XYrTlVigrbUjOR lm2A8iDbz/RB4Yo23Kh8YQtRfL2HuDnbk65JG3g8fzp1EVLdVlcneOPcfr83WrU4ZztV Fgk6z5FX2qLoSKpWY+/mSNh7f2W+8mmpcz3N0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CEA43DEB91E7F4-1D1C-14F00@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEA43DEB91E7F4-1D1C-14F00@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:23:53 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340537c37c1204b6d41102 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:24:14 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340537c37c1204b6d41102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lol, I just meant that I was used to having to have things be complicated and ran by computers. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM, michael klobuchar wrote: > > I am not very old (31), and do well with technology, > > > > > that's nice.....why don't you rub it in!.....:)......i live for > stereo!!!!!......beeps and boobs sound best this way.....IMNSHO! > --14dae9340537c37c1204b6d41102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lol, I just meant that I was used to having to have things be complicated a= nd ran by computers.
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I am not very old (31), a= nd do well with technology,



that's nice.....why do= n't you rub it in!.....:)......i live for stereo!!!!!......beeps and bo= obs sound best this way.....IMNSHO!
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--14dae9340537c37c1204b6d41102-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 21:30:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8810E183454; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Gb2GOs5To3chFi5OT2gK2Q1s1veUMV4Mef4fPKoVip0=; b=f63Lh2CBc5SfdEzDIHuitfP53w1Qpv8iRKjx2ymdHv6Unp0gA7ILvrqYTuUb3kGyG7 oN3UkXHuw9jsec9qRGjCpyWPn0CTZbTviYt8rvvi2s98JVX8oYJ2wI5FM57t4y2EatOu gaPfeFv5DAQ+jQqyy1NkvPYiYcPKbhbvWYsgk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:30:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:30:49 +0000 (UTC) "Mechanisation?" What, exactly, do you mean by this? Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > The mechanisation of music is really "young" business, > so no wonder the legislation is going through changes, > now, in the age of sopa and pipa > > > 2012/1/18 Per Boysen >> >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Petri Lahtinen >> wrote: >> > I think basicallly that national copyright offices and the legislation >> > is so way behind, of this new business model that they are just about to >> > realise how things should be dealt in 21st century. >> >> >> I think you are right about that, but one should not forget that this >> is also the point. In order to protect immaterial property - like >> music, that in fact is just a unique idea about distribution of sound >> in time - the law has to focus on more fundamental values than the >> fluctuating market related factors business models typically are >> dealing with. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 21:39:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A808A18345E; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.4F173BFB.0040,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=5RePncF+00wnRIuVW5OoqKytqzC3r8jLIdEm+Wz8FvA= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=EmmQ-hcxAAAA:8 a=6rFrg2TbucVS5ImEPSMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=TUxEFA93TokA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looper Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:39:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AczWKZqBoNgw+fshSNCMRE0g+SlAQA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: <8ntIlC.A.YSH.8vzFPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:39:08 +0000 (UTC) New Movie coming out--http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/ "Everybody wants to get into the act!" Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 22:27:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 963A318345E; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1944 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:27:43 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=helpwantedproductions.com; b=peuKb+q8Bg4n67lAJ3n+eLcZ9o3uXb3kCN2mx82P9aS1PiB9+R2HCuwawfl71 9Ota+0nBi/a4Q8JJnyTbx/K2uGTk22FFLRXQ5PQfo30+XdHxd7LppqZTMG92RSSi S3JhqwV3iIDSBN2sC5xFiXA2RacAJ0GrLCHRHoIDGG7vyw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=9SOOg o0kK3R8iNatNAAnkbcgqNw=; b=fHecpjk4146FSV2tJMNRv0qh8hxypp1ovm/rv cf/j15GoXB9wCoMU1P03QD1GQIXtZQ1dkIhToCLh3mHsrvbrYUMaZFqIUmNXSGrz 26MZdaJb7QHxi6brPStH3QUKbujYr0mkCwlhsjP0h/Qneeuh7Yv2AmITksrdFdVU UfHrEY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:55:17 -0800 Subject: FS: Vintage Roland MC202 and JX3P - Awesome shape!! From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (Please note this email is acting up a bit today. Feel free to email me a= t legionhwp@gmail.com instead to reply) Two awesome Classic Roland analogs for sale: Roland MC202 - $625. I hate to see this go but I haven't used it in years (spending more modular time and have plenty of Future Retro stuff). I've had this since the mid 1990s at least. It's in good cosmetic shape (one *tiny* nick in between the seals on the right side - shown in pic). All original sliders, caps, knobs, screen, buttons, etc. Fully functional on batteries or PS. Despite having an AS UK sticker on the back this has no mods that I know of. Inside is super clean including battery compartment I suppose if I had the original box I could ask $800++ more for it (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roland-MC-202-mc202-micro-Composer-Come-Original= -Box-Nice-Condition-/270828202440) but as it is just an amazing vintage piece in excellent condition I am asking $625 which is far below the current Eb*y frenzy and a fair price. Buyer pays shipping from Phila PA in US. Roland JX3p - $300. Excellent and super clean condition LATER version wit= h full midi In,Out,and Thru. Slightly scratchy Vol pot(have yet to clean it= ) is the only thing keeping this from being beyond outstanding. All sliders= , buttons, lights, keys, etc 100% and working. Easy to edit from front pane= l or via any of the cloned or PG200 options. I am pricing this to GO @$300 plus shipping and $15 for pro-packing on a quick sale. Where else are you going to find super nice looking, fully working, classic analog with sequencer for $300?? Please buy it quickly before I chance my mind. Lots of awesome pictures up at: http://helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/SynthsFS.htm TERMS: Paypal Personal payment (no fees), Paypal regular (buyer pays fees), or USPS MO. Buyer pays shipping or come pick it up in Phila pa for FREE!! These are amazing examples of 20-30 year old synths, not mint but pretty damn well taken care of. You can see for yourself as I have placed a LOT of large pics up on the above link so please look at them and drop me a line with any questions. I also have even larger ones and can take specific shots for serious buyers and/or make a demo video/audio and upon request. Plenty of References from over a few decades available. I think prices are VERY fair so unless you're buying both or picking up i= n phila PA they are pretty firm but I will listen to serious offers that make my life and these sales easier. I'm giving AH and LD a head start on these before posting to the 'net at large and the forums. I'd prefer to keep this in the US but if you HAVE t= o have it and are willing to pay the full shipping and insurance I'll consider shipping elsewhere. Any questions please email. Thanks for looking and Bleep on! --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 23:23:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C50D183460; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SRM5W7rJydcc8fbLzohXStZKWe9Tr8oyKhCa4DSDr6M=; b=HgpkH3S0Vi2Bww+EecoOQPzfwE10fT1aqz17p9wIpPY/wmBM0YZe5p8Dc3fp5iGTeL ZgK7sWsx9UosQKa9EkXTtpbuhzgaD6L2pMOVpjDu6JifPUcJbbdUBIueSm3o4hugfIQa Y193/uK9HEIT4X9eB8wH1xMxd///v/H+wDOSQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:23:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > "Mechanisation?" What, exactly, do you mean by this? Guess he means the process of capturing a music recording on a physical medium. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 23:39:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F292418345C; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sVnoFirElym/JWnjYcS8BHCB8q1h3g7ePjoW5EDHC1A=; b=b9Lu+P5XMO5/obfAS0uW7J0J6vk5/pW84CtQYMGu4E27AyX2PpZI5y7/WhjyANqlhm 4Ghd+qWlRKLbsbSmQPxzvSBGLCg+UocAQKa2Osbe96w+v3sKfF6+TBlKQjOmqZXDUz8y gFVqUEKAqaXWxywjruT/EvXDMaLqBhV6CymfA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:39:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:39:24 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I am curious as to how others are using their gear to great stereo > separation in recordings or on stage. I can't imagine not playing my instruments in mono! For me stereo tends to blur the presence, decrease the power and destroy intonation in playing. That's for the instrument sound. The way I use stereo is to create *deepness* around and behind my mono instrument, for example by using stereo versions effects like reverb, delay or a layered synth (if I'm playing one of the Roland GK-3 equipped string instruments). My mono instrument typically sends a little signal to these background effects for the 3-D effect. I also like to connect the effects dynamically to my mono instrument so my playing also affects the "effect horizon" (when I play there are less big effects but when I shut up between two notes the effects step out a bit to fill in. It's like an un-natural organic room pulsating with whatever phrasing I play, but rather subtle of course) Same theory applies to how I produce recordings. If a concert offers surround sound I also I stick with the same concept, but with four or eight channels instead of two. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 23:52:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABEA218345F; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bFLY/ZKk92FtACtDrAASNdU0mTG1pqem4B7gLWwY5pSLY23yHE84v8jrLI86JHlC; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <13794125.1326930727735.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:52:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4836e9bec046a63858d46d36e16fe1be3f8a4b8a4ee4b2abb2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:52:18 +0000 (UTC) I can't imagine not playing my instruments in mono! >concur< PhilSpector rules!! ever since i've gone to shows-never noticed anything but the music emanating from the stage or performance space. from Thad Jones/Mel Lewis BigBand 25 strong! to AdrianBelew in all his stereoness-i hear a performance period. nothing beats a stereo mix w/ headphones hearing ElectricLadyLand-whewww!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 02:11:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFC0A183460; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=Pe8SO9H4SlA2HxJUFf8A:9 a=tJbg1eBjrXh7ICI3cNgA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:10:59 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi-ho, stereo! Stereo, at least when I'm playing guitar and looping is pretty much a = necessity in my book. The last time I played a Y2K fest in Santa Cruz I went small(er) and my = rig was the one pictured at the link below: = My regular, slightly larger rig that I play at home and anywhere where I = get a little more time to set up is pictured here: = As you can see in both, I don't use amps or cabs anymore, my = chiropractor bills eventually cured me of that. I use a couple of little Mackie SRM150s mounted on sawed off mic stands. What they lack in low-end they make up in loudness. They cut through pretty well. The house PA can always provide the low-end thump to the audience. Low-end and stereo don't mix really well, in fact when I play bass I = eschew FX entirely (other than looping) and play in straight mono. If there is no house PA I have a pair of big Mackie SRM450s that I can = wire up to the SRM150s. Together it's a really big, satisfying, hi-fi sound. I need stereo because I like to pan sounds around the room a lot. And most mono FX sound pretty tame compared to stereo versions. And a lot of the stuff I do in MaxMSP would be pretty ho-hum in mono. If I could afford it, I'd even go quad like my pal Jeff Kaiser. But I figure I have enough stuff to worry about at present. Best, Ted On Jan 18, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I am curious as to how others are using their gear to great stereo = separation in recordings or on stage. =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 02:44:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 541A4183460; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 17378 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:44:56 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:cc :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= helpwantedproductions.com; b=amQuQoS3jbAsfnm1w4dX0l2oqqIMQ+WCfRp 1Prr97VFilzrm/GpJ/qTwfJeBgSR2sx2b5mGEn4YYkLjxPv+4L/4NPOoxVcBqMjP QF2cfBx0kYAFxpuVjWIUb0q368Ip+qhoiuH3Mb0EM//d42DytnidVzCKNanroJgE F35Jmjuc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:cc :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= helpwantedproductions.com; bh=ITWii+2Mi+YgkvKtApHZtkoHae4=; b=vX hC5AMwgngdw5t/xSQWEX/fWyAb4OOG4MDI/E5B7JwSZgkR2BeBRA6mXm3JopuQ/9 NN6MSp4C7B28800Xds75J1s01K82YDg4cRk0+iUNChuago1xeuNV/SrcdZKuCUsS 4Ltph6uH7sItNOpDwrsK84eOHPBCuPEeGNDr9MPxs= Message-ID: <4d1aff1f49ed7d6c6606b4b7fade32d7.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [AH] FS: Vintage Roland MC202 and JX3P - Awesome shape!! From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com Cc: "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Jx3p is sold. Mc202 has some nibbles but is still for sale to the first=20 person to confirm the deal. Thanks. > (Please note this email is acting up a bit today. Feel free to email me= at > legionhwp@gmail.com instead to reply) > > Two awesome Classic Roland analogs for sale: > > Roland MC202 - $625. I hate to see this go but I haven't used it in yea= rs > (spending more modular time and have plenty of Future Retro stuff). I'v= e > had this since the mid 1990s at least. It's in good cosmetic shape (one > *tiny* nick in between the seals on the right side - shown in pic). Al= l > original sliders, caps, knobs, screen, buttons, etc. Fully functional o= n > batteries or PS. Despite having an AS UK sticker on the back this has n= o > mods that I know of. Inside is super clean including battery compartmen= t > > I suppose if I had the original box I could ask $800++ more for it > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roland-MC-202-mc202-micro-Composer-Come-Origin= al-Box-Nice-Condition-/270828202440) > but as it is just an amazing vintage piece in excellent condition I am > asking $625 which is far below the current Eb*y frenzy and a fair price= . > Buyer pays shipping from Phila PA in US. > > Roland JX3p - $300. Excellent and super clean condition LATER version w= ith > full midi In,Out,and Thru. Slightly scratchy Vol pot(have yet to clean = it) > is the only thing keeping this from being beyond outstanding. All slide= rs, > buttons, lights, keys, etc 100% and working. Easy to edit from front pa= nel > or via any of the cloned or PG200 options. > > I am pricing this to GO @$300 plus shipping and $15 for pro-packing on = a > quick sale. Where else are you going to find super nice looking, fully > working, classic analog with sequencer for $300?? Please buy it quickly > before I chance my mind. > > Lots of awesome pictures up at: > http://helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/SynthsFS.htm > > TERMS: Paypal Personal payment (no fees), Paypal regular (buyer pays > fees), or USPS MO. Buyer pays shipping or come pick it up in Phila pa f= or > FREE!! > > These are amazing examples of 20-30 year old synths, not mint but prett= y > damn well taken care of. You can see for yourself as I have placed a LO= T > of large pics up on the above link so please look at them and drop me a > line with any questions. I also have even larger ones and can take > specific shots for serious buyers and/or make a demo video/audio and up= on > request. > > Plenty of References from over a few decades available. > > I think prices are VERY fair so unless you're buying both or picking up= in > phila PA they are pretty firm but I will listen to serious offers that > make my life and these sales easier. > > I'm giving AH and LD a head start on these before posting to the 'net a= t > large and the forums. I'd prefer to keep this in the US but if you HAVE= to > have it and are willing to pay the full shipping and insurance I'll > consider shipping elsewhere. > > Any questions please email. > > Thanks for looking and Bleep on! > > > --------------------------------------- > NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com > DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices > "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" > > Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: > http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ > > > > --=20 --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 03:12:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88EAD183464; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Stereo Separation or Mono Y Mono? Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:12:05 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:12:13 +0000 (UTC) In a perfect world of stereo mixes I would definitely go stereo, but Live sound ain't always that way so my rig is set up for either mono or stereo. Though I prefer two stereo pairs, one for the loops to pan them wider and two for the instrument so that stereo delays for example come out stereo, or one mono instrument and a stereo loop pair also works as you can pan the loops wide and keep the instrument in the center. Like you Mike I'm still doing the hardware thing. If I had a rig like yours and didn't want to spend extra dough, I'd set it up this way: Mic Chili Dog Octave Pedal Sans Amp Bass Driver DI Line 6 M13 Boomerang III PA with the stereo effects after the bass di to send a stereo pair to the house. If you are attached to sending the balanced di out from you Sans amp, you could buy another and stick them at the end of your chain to preserve the stereo. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 06:17:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6020A18345E; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F17B553.7090107@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:16:51 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LP-2 Mini Looper at NAMM References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, Looperlative is not going to have an official presence at NAMM this year but I will be using one in my demos for 3rd Hand Percussion (Booth #2367 Hall D). I will officially be showing the 3rd Hand devices that allow musicians to play percussion, kicks and snare drums with their feet using converted hi hat pedals _so I will not be free to give a full demo of the LP-2 at the booth_. However , if you are curious, please come by the booth and introduce yourself as a Loopers Delight member and I'll make sure to rock some the units features during my demo of the 3rd Hand and we can connect later and away from the booth if you have more questions. I'll be there Saturday and Sunday and there will be a few other drummer/percussionists demoing the 3rd Hand so I'll have some free time to hang out and see the show and answer questions after my demos are over. As of yet, I don't have an official schedule for demos. see you there, I hope..............I finally have a working pedal (I've only had prototypes heretofore) so I've had a blast running it through it's paces today. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 06:20:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37A618345D; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F17B63A.4080801@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:20:42 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:20:49 +0000 (UTC) I have a Dtar, which is a high quality, but mono only, preamplifier that I"m using for my NAMM demos this coming weekend. I'm loving the iPad so much that I want to use it in my demos but I'm having problems finding a cable that converts 1/8" stereo (male) to 1/4" mono (male). How do you guys use your iPads in your shows.......always in stereo? I'm going nuts trying to find a solution. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 06:37:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EC9A18345E; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=hAaCxLabmyaCBWVeBlv3GMh5Y5K6742jF9pZ1XESV7U=; b=xzKQ1VqxDGOE5YddHovIojnvahDGa5ATbknqd924eWBWW2zCyaql+uqmNS+POHvpv/ XLMSlqNtsaWA+ry3dJhSb76uM/v7FqiySvUS8XYQCtMzBi++cBksuyrd1LBAKiHw0awv 6a3nj5iYFvy2wSNNpzGENhE0qx+vbW6Pswk+o= Message-Id: <04E98F89-6291-4AA2-8ADB-46B99F6B2904@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F17B63A.4080801@cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-755496680 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:37:27 -0800 References: <4F17B63A.4080801@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:37:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13-755496680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I'm having problems finding a cable that converts 1/8" stereo (male) > to 1/4" mono (male). Why not use a 1/4" mono to male 1/8 adaptor plug? Depending on the adaptor, sometimes you have to plug in the 1/8 jack halfway instead of all the way in. BobC --Apple-Mail-13-755496680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 18, 2012, = at 10:20 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

I'm having = problems finding a cable that converts 1/8" stereo (male)
to 1/4" =  mono (male).


Why = not use a 1/4" mono to male 1/8 adaptor plug?
Depending on the = adaptor, sometimes you have to plug in the 1/8 jack halfway instead of = all the way = in.


BobC

= --Apple-Mail-13-755496680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 07:55:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABC418345D; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6wCD2zskxYPWvfTeiqwyMkuGN1eVA/g+hHX2bhHRucg=; b=OG+5WLd3ZV5F4Iu2k0K/0wSSzr/DT3xby3o/Lny4ch8sG0dW/sv6VIvlGrO2sTGz5J 8IB//ycOWVixD6RsHrOUlVoz//MQB3LM1OB8BiftICiTd+jt/XmLcVAMsFL2EGzYEu5V P8p/N0NFLBFnQr76aNN8QWB3DMuP2jsKWw0vw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <04E98F89-6291-4AA2-8ADB-46B99F6B2904@gmail.com> References: <4F17B63A.4080801@cruzio.com> <04E98F89-6291-4AA2-8ADB-46B99F6B2904@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:55:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d02e068e24504b6dce433 Resent-Message-ID: <4xsg.A.UaF.Ey8FPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:55:48 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307d02e068e24504b6dce433 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick it's a little pricey (@$80) but for Christmas I got a Line 6 mobile adapter which brings signal in through the digital I/O instead of going through the A/D of the headphone jack. There are several options like this this being the least expensive to my knowledge and it's supported by Garageband. The other one is the Apogee Jam which Charles referenced when I last posed the question to the group. If you can go the digital route which uses the docking port the process will be much cleaner. Have a great time at NAMM, though I'm resolved for my reasons mentioned in the past I miss it. Safe travs to you and Bill. Jim On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:37 AM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > I'm having problems finding a cable that converts 1/8" stereo (male) > to 1/4" mono (male). > > > > Why not use a 1/4" mono to male 1/8 adaptor plug? > Depending on the adaptor, sometimes you have to plug in the 1/8 jack > halfway instead of all the way in. > > > BobC > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307d02e068e24504b6dce433 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick it's a little pricey (@$80) but for Christmas I got a Line 6 mobil= e adapter which brings signal in through the digital I/O instead of going t= hrough the A/D of the headphone jack. =A0There are several options like thi= s this being the least expensive to my knowledge and it's supported by = Garageband. =A0The other one is the Apogee Jam which Charles referenced whe= n I last posed the question to the group. =A0If you can go the digital rout= e which uses the docking port the process will be much cleaner.

Have a great time at NAMM, though I'm resolved for my re= asons mentioned in the past I miss it.

Safe travs = to you and Bill.

Jim

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:37 AM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wr= ote:

On Jan = 18, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

I'm having problems = finding a cable that converts 1/8" stereo (male)
to 1/4" =A0mono (male).


Why not use a 1/4" mono to male 1/8 adaptor plug?
D= epending on the adaptor, sometimes you have to plug in the 1/8 jack halfway= instead of all the way in.


BobC




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--=A0
= Tips Across the Waters, a new app fo= r iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--20cf307d02e068e24504b6dce433-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 08:33:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 819BE18345E; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+l1/NJcJGb3bNNkMPmwi0tds9+xD4qRgIrH8T5+3lg0=; b=Hra79OjnwawghJ2wfN0mMtu1bYPTUTHWMwzWM8IzGCO8NEOdYbnK6bOt8aITCFgYZK hGTWWdm8cLFvv9S99o/q4Rq5ji1nDWW+W6807+WStiVrwq8t90lRMhbzBsNQQXHE3R4c 1A+POyqtULKqYUC5dSjG6SCislc9fLyeDQUgI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:33:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: where are freedoms as musicians are going... ACTA From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:33:28 +0000 (UTC) now i know why i can't see most of the videos sent to me from abroad,sad and scary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhIktkK78s&feature=share i just saw the movie "in time" not too far fetched really... -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 08:56:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73D8F18345F; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=MzkimU5J98u1kyOfa+j2i+/9MfiWhip5olLuAtKWlHE=; b=YogEYqrz5mUi5t9ImwfEdEONrLgDsP4tn8UpTPFv2EHiv3DdtBWwi2HCuCRDKSbzJf zmfsTh4OPNxfdz+iSg9kQJnVXjtqMhlVBhMg3oh6SN3bKyGGgBxw1QWnPJ5sl2rh76os KyrRBCsAAimJM1jItQNFu83GhXH39iAdoLrJ0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:56:17 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SA3n0wTEmVsqdUvv0KNsS7sUVL4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04440066fff8ed04b6ddbdf5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:56:39 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04440066fff8ed04b6ddbdf5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fantastic photos Ted, love the pedals. Id love to know what you are using them all for, I can see a vortex in the rack, thanks for that, it means Ill play thought it a bit today.. one of my more neglected bits of kit, which, however will never leave the rack. Thats a pretty stereo instrument. I half agree with Per on the stereo issue, most times I want to place my main sound in the middle, and the looped sounds can be either panned, as is the case with my 2 EDPs occasionally, or they will be going though my Roland EF303, to add stereo to them. Having said that, on my old guitar synth, I did like to make patches where on string was left the next right and so on. and on the new GR55 I have made a patch where the guitar sound is left and the modeled sound is right, with a slight delay. This makes a great big, and warm chuggy sound that I love. Im not sure if I can pan individual strings on the GR55, there are some weird omissions on panning, it all depends on the routing whether you can do it. Of course in a band situation, it makes less sense to pan everything all over the place, but as solo performers, playing in usually small, well set up, with mini prtyy Hi Fi PA's, I feel stereo is part of the deal. We are kind of emulating a band here aren't we, not lone guitarists bangin away on a busted acoustic... Mark On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > Hi-ho, stereo! > > Stereo, at least when I'm playing guitar and looping is pretty much a > necessity in my book. > > The last time I played a Y2K fest in Santa Cruz I went small(er) and my > rig was the one pictured at the link below: > > < > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1222372850122&set=t.1552981135&type=3&theater > > > > My regular, slightly larger rig that I play at home and anywhere where I > get a little more time to set up is pictured here: > > < > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150535067268972&set=a.42268958971.50665.30024123971&type=3&theater > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04440066fff8ed04b6ddbdf5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fantastic photos Ted, love the pedals. Id love to know what you are using t= hem all for, I can see a vortex in the rack, thanks for that, it means Ill = play thought it a bit today.. one of my more neglected bits of kit, which, = however will never leave the rack. Thats a pretty stereo instrument.

I half agree with Per on the stereo issue, most times I want to place m= y main sound in the middle, and the looped sounds can be either panned, as = is the case with my 2 EDPs occasionally, or they will be going though my Ro= land EF303, to add stereo to them.
Having said that, on my old guitar synth, I did like to make patches where = on string was left the next right and so on. and on the new GR55 I have mad= e a patch where the guitar sound is left and the modeled sound is right, wi= th a slight delay. This makes a great big, and warm chuggy sound that I lov= e. Im not sure if I can pan individual strings on the GR55, there are some = weird omissions on panning, it all depends on the routing whether you can d= o it.

Of course in a band situation, it makes less sense to pan everything al= l over the place, but as solo performers, playing in usually small, well se= t up, with mini prtyy Hi Fi PA's, I feel stereo is part of the deal. We= are kind of emulating a band here aren't we, not lone guitarists bangi= n away on a busted acoustic...

Mark



On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at = 3:10 AM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi-ho, stereo!

Stereo, at least when I'm playing guitar and looping is pretty much a n= ecessity in my book.

The last time I played a Y2K fest in Santa Cruz I went small(er) and my rig= was the one pictured at the link below:

<https://www.= facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3D1222372850122&set=3Dt.1552981135&type= =3D3&theater>

My regular, slightly larger rig that I play at home and anywhere where I ge= t a little more time to set up is pictured here:

<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3D10150535067268972&= ;set=3Da.42268958971.50665.30024123971&type=3D3&theater>


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d04440066fff8ed04b6ddbdf5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 09:19:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E5AC18345C; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=qgnZO+sbL89+whC0XglGx5QhYaZmPgaNB6Wzn79GgyA=; b=i6TmPssfuaAXFErnC9D2FNC3Ew2qxO+mK9CevYaICqBuYpyqKoYPe5uq5SrxbLPe8D S36J5Gp1GuIKog2izATfBc5AIrM5sBUAiTefKaC6yN4Mj/wg3gkyVrpuLAu03PKOODj5 yR8ecE7uLoHbm329fE9q+kxNih5g5zsV7zPrs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:18:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: apkK1pk3D-M3CfC5_EQFCPr8pkM Message-ID: Subject: Re: where are freedoms as musicians are going... ACTA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044480df339faf04b6de0e80 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:19:05 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044480df339faf04b6de0e80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just to be clear.. I dont know too much about this issue, but is ACTA the UKs version of SOPA? Seems like it?, or Is it Euro-wide... Although theres much to be said for the European Community, it does put many countries into a bag, that starts to remove normal everyday freedoms, like the US has trouble with. In Norway we are not members of the EU, so Im not sure what it means to us, although in practice we agree to abide by everything they do. Its just we have a special issue with having half our country in the arctic circle, we provide financial incentives for inhabitants, that the EU doesnt allow, plus we have alot of oil, and we dont wanna share that do we? M On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > now i know why i can't see most of the videos sent to me from > abroad,sad and scary > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhIktkK78s&feature=share > > > > i just saw the movie "in time" not too far fetched really... > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d044480df339faf04b6de0e80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0Just to be clear.. I dont know too much about this issue, but is ACTA th= e UKs version of SOPA? Seems like it?, or Is it Euro-wide... Although there= s much to be said for the European Community, it does put many countries in= to a bag, that starts to remove normal everyday freedoms, like the US has t= rouble with. In Norway we are not members of the EU, so Im not sure what it= means to us, although in practice we agree to abide by everything they do.= Its just we have a special issue with having half our country in the arcti= c circle, we provide financial incentives for inhabitants, that the EU does= nt allow, plus we have alot of oil, and we dont wanna share that do we?


M

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:33 AM= , Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
now i know why i can't see most of the videos sent to me from
abroad,sad and scary


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNXhIktkK78s&featur= e=3Dshare



i just saw the movie "in time" not too far fetched really...
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www.luis-angulo.co= m




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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d044480df339faf04b6de0e80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 10:18:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E909118345C; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-09.arcor-online.net 11CA9198681 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arcor.de; s=mail-in; t=1326968280; bh=A2grTb/WWzyllKTwNj/aECnJz/b/yxlvPPCMnYJQiY0=; h=Subject:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Date: Message-ID:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kC2zkKBolGuU6dBE5zq+Jwo9tJiEmJvojMA8l1/gLvYynaYvVnxX9x7v9Z27QpmLY C5WZnfwwilwsTndfdAULWNjdlh2Uu8jAkZHOW2nRhJz6ZsuwwpqTDMmtrOkRwuLOQw bZzRsI9+0Z2Q4V/AEMIHeSbqyHUV3NNeEmMay2pM= Subject: Re: where are freedoms as musicians are going... ACTA From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le?= Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:17:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1326968273.30534.19.camel@mephisto> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Am Donnerstag, den 19.01.2012, 10:18 +0100 schrieb mark francombe: > Just to be clear.. I dont know too much about this issue, but is ACTA > the UKs version of SOPA? Seems like it?, or Is it Euro-wide... ACTA, the Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement is worldwide and, unlike SOPA not restricted to online piracy. One consequence in the "real world" would be huge restrictions in trading medicine, which is not copy-protected in some states e.g. Mexico and India, but can't be shipped via US waters because of ACTA. Consequences will be fatal limitations in health treatment in countries depending on cheap medicine. A friend of mine did a nice video (in German, but I will try to get it subtitled) to describe consequences for authors and artists: http://www.137b.org/?p=584 Another problem is, that the text is not discussed openly, but it has been leaked several times: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement#Consolidated_text_.E2.80.94_March_2010 > Although theres much to be said for the European Community, it does > put many countries into a bag, that starts to remove normal everyday > freedoms, like the US has trouble with. In Norway we are not members > of the EU, so Im not sure what it means to us, although in practice we > agree to abide by everything they do. Its just we have a special issue > with having half our country in the arctic circle, we provide > financial incentives for inhabitants, that the EU doesnt allow, plus > we have alot of oil, and we dont wanna share that do we? > > > M > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > now i know why i can't see most of the videos sent to me from > abroad,sad and scary > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhIktkK78s&feature=share > > > > i just saw the movie "in time" not too far fetched really... > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 10:25:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AC1D18345D; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 719918736/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.186.89/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.186.89 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAOntF09V0rpZ/2dsb2JhbAAMOKxZg3cBAQEDAThABgsLDgoJFg8JAwIBAgFFBgEVAYd4uRyJOAEBBQMEDQULBAIEAQUDAgwRAwkBAQYBBSwBAgEBBQMBAQEBAgsCAgEBAggCEAQBCAsBBwQZDRMLAQgEBAMbAoFZCQEBAhABAgMBBgMCAwQBBINHBJpWjQY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,535,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="719918736" Message-ID: <4F17EF8B.2090307@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:25:15 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Walker , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig References: <4F17B63A.4080801@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F17B63A.4080801@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > I'm loving the iPad so much that I want to use it in my demos but > I'm having problems finding a cable that converts 1/8" stereo (male) > to 1/4" mono (male). > eeech that really wants a custom made cable if only I'd known I'd have put one in your English Breakfast Tea package.. ....but that left here some time time ago. Ideally you wouldn't just use a Y-adapter in that config, (never parallel 2 outputs to an input is the "impedance rule") ...but I expect it would work ok. RP Collier wrote: > Why not use a 1/4" mono to male 1/8 adaptor plug? because you'd only get one channel (possibly not a problem), and if it's the more common 1/4 male to 1/8 female adapter you still have to get a 1/8 jack lead, which aren't so easy to find (certainly not in long lengths) The 1/8in in male to 1/4in female adapters are inadvisable for mechanical reasons, either they break or they damage the i-pod if stressed ....I wouldn't recommend for gigging. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 15:23:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93671183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=Awhb7tBT/+UZpl5z26EglKT0NC2Gegbz0gV9U7gIObY=; b=gM6e30Z9ozrBy+GPfyxu0zT9K/SVPej3yktp1zCFsW3de8EdfEqAwv2XzH/3vYlylT PcSnN69EDQ5PKBFSVhIWZVriOLn+OPlrZSkh1XTyU+c2OIoNXLr2f60D6XrDjMlEIaek hVKL5OxB39GwTKNvomq/kqIkxhmBYDsV1NFIA= Message-Id: <202FE4FC-DFFA-46D6-A81B-748A837D6B7A@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F17EF8B.2090307@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-787030588 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:23:01 -0800 References: <4F17B63A.4080801@cruzio.com> <4F17EF8B.2090307@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:23:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-787030588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:25 AM, andy butler wrote: > The 1/8in in male to 1/4in female adapters are inadvisable for > mechanical reasons, > either they break or they damage the i-pod if stressed ....I wouldn't > recommend for gigging. I have used 1/8 stereo cable (4ft) to 1/4 mono adaptor halfway plugged in and it can work. Another thing I have used is 1/8 stereo cable to 1/4 stereo adaptor and you plug the adaptor halfway in to the amp to get mono channel. Inelegant studio solutions of course but still quick and dirty functional solutions. If you have the ipad on a stand then mechanically it should be okay. If you are going to be walking or dancing around onstage with an ipad you would need wireless. BobC --Apple-Mail-1-787030588 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 19, 2012, = at 2:25 AM, andy butler wrote:

The 1/8in in = male to 1/4in female adapters are inadvisable for mechanical = reasons,
either they break or they damage the i-pod if stressed ....I = wouldn't
recommend for = gigging.



I= have used 1/8 stereo cable (4ft) to 1/4 mono adaptor halfway plugged in = and it can work.
Another thing I have used is 1/8 stereo cable = to 1/4 stereo adaptor and you plug the adaptor halfway in to the amp to = get mono channel.
Inelegant studio solutions of course but = still quick and dirty functional solutions.
If you have the = ipad on a stand then mechanically it should be = okay.

If you are going to be walking or dancing = around onstage with an ipad you would need = wireless.

BobC
= --Apple-Mail-1-787030588-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 15:50:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52FEA183460; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=i9NFY0n9rG3ly0zVhfss21nvXni7fC/jtH0LEVveaa0=; b=NvTk4hvNwgyUPlXZMR+Ev9M9j3pIpsXToytySmjx+cgzSCdEHMV+bJbQE/s4ne9o1Y ZMjWXT6oe8FNTMMMKDLqmCmJnTZH6iMGVDvifI+R8V1U5/Bq5jcmsKYJ4idBjgXuWSGG 3q2GnZtqwghcXvUmqhp3Lb/NE9tr6vk3wW+ew= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:50:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e89ca04166604b6e385da Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:50:13 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e89ca04166604b6e385da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes - the process of making something that is immaterial material. Making records. 2012/1/19 Per Boysen > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > > "Mechanisation?" What, exactly, do you mean by this? > > Guess he means the process of capturing a music recording on a physical > medium. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba6e89ca04166604b6e385da Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes - the process of making something that is immaterial material.
Making records.

2012/1/19 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mechanisation?" What, exactly, do you mean by this?

Guess he means the process of capturing a music recording on a physical medium.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen




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Petri Lahtinen


--90e6ba6e89ca04166604b6e385da-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 15:56:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FDCC183460; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UgsajOBe5qhv61UYR9EPX7SnmfujFvSI9l9Qg2ZC8hs=; b=VGswyvM+1zo8EaSSSu3CumO/pXvuLLF5C4zwQYhsZYzdNr2jPn61wnWcffU6XO11mI 4WS/FfGkaNqROUvtqrRREz6avOYykbwyYxf58VXwRN0yvbKvB7JUSAZ54/pbRardtbiw /GRfaSrTWEZK6GbDtqXM6A0g1NhTiGxprzq7Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:56:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934060b1c8f9b04b6e39ac1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:56:07 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934060b1c8f9b04b6e39ac1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 :-D 2012/1/18 Clayton Gary Lehmann > New Movie coming out--http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/ > > "Everybody wants to get into the act!" > > Gary > > > -- Petri --14dae934060b1c8f9b04b6e39ac1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 :-D

2012/1/18 Clayton Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>
New Movie coming out--http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/

"Everybody wants to get into the act!"

Gary





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Petri


--14dae934060b1c8f9b04b6e39ac1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 16:05:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6DD2183461; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/o5APdcvB1RZBsY2j//Qdb6P0QM9TlDGMHz0XUknt38=; b=wIDwoBH1pWKXj5w3jIXv85InDRCkikE/yxw1kmbakLEkjNa7NlDtgqiLfe6DM7/wQm PoH6iEnaDCrwfGhq//pZuW+etNVydPLi9soQQ+7iuzlek+er3G1BqUlCnHzxyDiovOV5 gFw2Jn3+b9c3eDDvKavjnpKOC64EIw6boAHEQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:05:27 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5BYSsB.A.WcD.I9DGPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Ha. Rick Walker needs to be in this film. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > :-D > > > 2012/1/18 Clayton Gary Lehmann >> >> New Movie coming out--http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/ >> >> "Everybody wants to get into the act!" >> >> Gary >> >> > > > > -- > Petri > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 16:21:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D578183460; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VGWnpu7dhVPGRo9BxL+eQZ8Cv0UG8WNMrdKERY6xQHE=; b=hrdeD/lMTBjZn+sNAALP8F1oXxoU/7qUDau1w4bXh+stqiJEB3FiBweU9psCBiu48o KOmhOGPmImNmdMWsChPadd83/ofWlbPmq5dpw5Yh6IS0X2nShqPQpR+SLzq4zeS1U+5a o8pS/cg4AU9TF0YUKQIVUv+18D3NsE6lLUyhY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:21:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934060b41654a04b6e3f568 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:21:36 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934060b41654a04b6e3f568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Havent seen Mr. Killian's live rig before - impressive set-up! Is there online material of this rig in live action? 2012/1/19 mark francombe > Fantastic photos Ted, love the pedals. Id love to know what you are using > them all for, I can see a vortex in the rack, thanks for that, it means Ill > play thought it a bit today.. one of my more neglected bits of kit, which, > however will never leave the rack. Thats a pretty stereo instrument. > > I half agree with Per on the stereo issue, most times I want to place my > main sound in the middle, and the looped sounds can be either panned, as is > the case with my 2 EDPs occasionally, or they will be going though my > Roland EF303, to add stereo to them. > Having said that, on my old guitar synth, I did like to make patches where > on string was left the next right and so on. and on the new GR55 I have > made a patch where the guitar sound is left and the modeled sound is right, > with a slight delay. This makes a great big, and warm chuggy sound that I > love. Im not sure if I can pan individual strings on the GR55, there are > some weird omissions on panning, it all depends on the routing whether you > can do it. > > Of course in a band situation, it makes less sense to pan everything all > over the place, but as solo performers, playing in usually small, well set > up, with mini prtyy Hi Fi PA's, I feel stereo is part of the deal. We are > kind of emulating a band here aren't we, not lone guitarists bangin away on > a busted acoustic... > > Mark > > > > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > >> Hi-ho, stereo! >> >> Stereo, at least when I'm playing guitar and looping is pretty much a >> necessity in my book. >> >> The last time I played a Y2K fest in Santa Cruz I went small(er) and my >> rig was the one pictured at the link below: >> >> < >> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1222372850122&set=t.1552981135&type=3&theater >> > >> >> My regular, slightly larger rig that I play at home and anywhere where I >> get a little more time to set up is pictured here: >> >> < >> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150535067268972&set=a.42268958971.50665.30024123971&type=3&theater >> > >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > -- Petri --14dae934060b41654a04b6e3f568 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Havent seen Mr. Killian's live rig before - impressive set-up!
Is th= ere online material of this rig in live action?

2012/1/19 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
Fantastic photos Ted, love the pedals. Id lo= ve to know what you are using them all for, I can see a vortex in the rack,= thanks for that, it means Ill play thought it a bit today.. one of my more= neglected bits of kit, which, however will never leave the rack. Thats a p= retty stereo instrument.

I half agree with Per on the stereo issue, most times I want to place m= y main sound in the middle, and the looped sounds can be either panned, as = is the case with my 2 EDPs occasionally, or they will be going though my Ro= land EF303, to add stereo to them.
Having said that, on my old guitar synth, I did like to make patches where = on string was left the next right and so on. and on the new GR55 I have mad= e a patch where the guitar sound is left and the modeled sound is right, wi= th a slight delay. This makes a great big, and warm chuggy sound that I lov= e. Im not sure if I can pan individual strings on the GR55, there are some = weird omissions on panning, it all depends on the routing whether you can d= o it.

Of course in a band situation, it makes less sense to pan everything al= l over the place, but as solo performers, playing in usually small, well se= t up, with mini prtyy Hi Fi PA's, I feel stereo is part of the deal. We= are kind of emulating a band here aren't we, not lone guitarists bangi= n away on a busted acoustic...

Mark




On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Ted Killian <tedkil= lian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi-ho, stereo!

Stereo, at least when I'm playing guitar and looping is pretty much a n= ecessity in my book.

The last time I played a Y2K fest in Santa Cruz I went small(er) and my rig= was the one pictured at the link below:

<https://www.= facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3D1222372850122&set=3Dt.1552981135&type= =3D3&theater>

My regular, slightly larger rig that I play at home and anywhere where I ge= t a little more time to set up is pictured here:

<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3D10150535067268972&= ;set=3Da.42268958971.50665.30024123971&type=3D3&theater>


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Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>



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Petri

--14dae934060b41654a04b6e3f568-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 16:35:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3161183460; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 720052393/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.186.89/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.186.89 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAOBEGE9V0rpZ/2dsb2JhbAAMOKxfg3cBAQEEOEARCxgJFggHCQMCAQIBNBEZAwGIALkZiTgBAQUDBA0FCwQCBAEFAwIMEQMJAQEGAQUsAQIBAQIBAgECAQEBAQILAgIBAQIIAhAEAQgLAQcEGQ0TCwEIBAQDGwKCP4McBJpZjQg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,537,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="720052393" Message-ID: <4F184645.6090301@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:35:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC) hang on a minute, that's pathetic ... anyone can kill their future self ...no time travel needed. ...and even if you used time travel there'd be no paradox, and no loop. andy Petri Lahtinen wrote: > :-D > > 2012/1/18 Clayton Gary Lehmann > > > New Movie coming out--http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/ > > "Everybody wants to get into the act!" > > Gary > > > > > > -- > Petri > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 17:14:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D173183460; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7155751B-2660-4D10-A5A6-04FE4C286F0A@aol.com> From: openjam@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F16C952.70706@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Start Point - Click in Loop? EDP DC Offset Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:14:05 -0500 References: <824BA07B-76B5-415E-9C75-C2F710A058B2@aol.com> <4F16C952.70706@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1326993256; bh=q/8WL2WuEM3DtMeX0L/pn9bo5GqZEuXYdz6h5PXc0AU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=xuuNQJgq2JmhsZnIvph4rQYA6+eiw4nXw2mu6MSi08pcK7bqAJW6z932MxmqHvbZC sGt0eYjsniXmV4IK/cFjtiZzvCwXErIgpa21TmS525TFkuGH+Oacrb5t84HBhW5sfI EB4R5Rs28mRUe3d+nosFiQHHYYowtgLPDsR1RC2g= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440153760:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33824f184f6861fe X-AOL-IP: 174.101.236.151 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:14:22 +0000 (UTC) The Butler did it with a screwdriver in the Archives... Excellent help Andy...this sound like what I have going on. todd On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:29 AM, andy butler wrote: > > so the butler was...er...badgered... and managed to dredge up the > answer. > > Indeed, this has all the hallmarks of the well known DC offset > problem. > > This except from the LD archives explains the fix, > it's from Kim Flint. > > andy > >> anyway, for John, here's how to set the trimpot: >> >> ********************************************* >> >> This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it >> opened with >> the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!! >> * If you >> are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me! >> >> There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume >> knobs. It's >> job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not >> set right >> for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear. >> >> To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The >> test >> basically turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an >> offset >> you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a >> scope, >> whichever way you like.) While that's going, you adjust the >> trimmer until >> the tone/waveform reaches it's mimimum. >> >> To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the >> Parameter >> and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup screen >> goes by, >> until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should say 7F. Press >> parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to start the >> trimmer >> test. >> >> You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. (turning input volume off, >> mix to >> "loop", and the output volume up helps.) The tone will change in >> level as >> you adjust the trimpot. Adjust to where the tone is at it's lowest >> level. >> (you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz should become >> nearly >> inaudible.) After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again >> will stop >> the test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up >> normally. >> >> ********************************************** >> kim > > > openjam@aol.com wrote: >> My EDP (Oberhiem with Loop 3, 5.0) has developed a click at the >> start point of each new loop. Sometimes its more audible then others. >> Any ideas? >> An obvious suspect would be the start point led - perhaps something >> has failed. >> I tried the archives but could not retrieve any similar symptoms. >> Please direct if you know of a case. >> Thanks >> Todd Quincy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 17:35:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83272183461; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:35:47 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_OdWf+00R54Qj3GzfNarz+g)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-19_07:2012-01-19,2012-01-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201190154 References: In-reply-to: Message-id: <878BAE09-9A0A-42C9-B44B-132ADD8D1AB3@mac.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:36:31 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:35:47 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_OdWf+00R54Qj3GzfNarz+g) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I do that with an RC 50.... 3 amps on stage, 2 are looper output, the other is non looped material. IMHO real stereo means a lot of mono things panned around, not stereo Efx.... That just sounds kind of 80s to me Enjoy T http://teddyjam.com On Jan 18, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I am curious as to how others are using their gear to great stereo separation in recordings or on stage. Right now, I run everything mono, but like the idea of going stereo. > > My rig: > > Mic > Chili Dog Octave Pedal > Line 6 M13 > Boomerang III > Sans Amp Bass Driver DI > PA > > Vids of my rig: > > http://youtu.be/SZEiGB5AzsU > http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o > > I play harmonica, hum bass lines, and beatbox into this rig. The M13 and Boomerang are stereo, but I run them mono. I like the idea of having the "bass" coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the other. The beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center. > > I am also thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of the M13 and Bass Driver DI to allow me to pan patches. Not only that, it would let me use different patches for each "instrument" before hitting the looper. Right now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via the DI. It works ok, but I have to compromise the tone of all three parts - harmonica, humming, beatboxing. The HD500 would let me set up a harmonica patch, a bass patch, and a beatbox patch with only one stomp (which I do all the time to cycle effects from the M13) > > Thanks for your thoughts! > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > --Boundary_(ID_OdWf+00R54Qj3GzfNarz+g) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I do that with an RC 50.... 3 amps on stage, 2 are looper output, the other is non looped material. IMHO real stereo means a lot of mono things panned around, not stereo Efx.... That just sounds kind of 80s to me


On Jan 18, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:

I am curious as to how others are using their gear to great stereo separation in recordings or on stage.  Right now, I run everything mono, but like the idea of going stereo.

My rig:

Mic
Chili Dog Octave Pedal
Line 6 M13
Boomerang III
Sans Amp Bass Driver DI
PA

Vids of my rig:

http://youtu.be/SZEiGB5AzsU
http://youtu.be/2bv4nKoqI3o

I play harmonica, hum bass lines, and beatbox into this rig.  The M13 and Boomerang are stereo, but I run them mono.  I like the idea of having the "bass" coming from one side and the rhythm parts on the other.  The beatboxing and lead playing would be from the center.

I am also thinking of using something like POD HD500 in place of the M13 and Bass Driver DI to allow me to pan patches.  Not only that, it would let me use different patches for each "instrument" before hitting the looper.  Right now, everything gets the same eq, etc, via the DI.  It works ok, but I have to compromise the tone of all three parts - harmonica, humming, beatboxing.  The HD500 would let me set up a harmonica patch, a bass patch, and a beatbox patch with only one stomp (which I do all the time to cycle effects from the M13)

Thanks for your thoughts!
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
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--Boundary_(ID_OdWf+00R54Qj3GzfNarz+g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 17:36:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA262183465; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6MNX3AxmigUKrXDUrNiPqA)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-19_07:2012-01-19,2012-01-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201190154 References: In-reply-to: Message-id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:37:34 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:36:54 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_6MNX3AxmigUKrXDUrNiPqA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I don't know what that sounds like but it looks like you are a good dancer. T http://teddyjam.com On Jan 19, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > Hi-ho, stereo! > > Stereo, at least when I'm playing guitar and looping is pretty much a necessity in my book. > > The last time I played a Y2K fest in Santa Cruz I went small(er) and my rig was the one pictured at the link below: > > > > My regular, slightly larger rig that I play at home and anywhere where I get a little more time to set up is pictured here: > > --Boundary_(ID_6MNX3AxmigUKrXDUrNiPqA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I don't know what that sounds like but it looks like you are a good dancer.

T

On Jan 19, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi-ho, stereo!

Stereo, at least when I'm playing guitar and looping is pretty much a necessity in my book.

The last time I played a Y2K fest in Santa Cruz I went small(er) and my rig was the one pictured at the link below:

<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1222372850122&set=t.1552981135&type=3&theater>

My regular, slightly larger rig that I play at home and anywhere where I get a little more time to set up is pictured here:

<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150535067268972&set=a.42268958971.50665.30024123971&type=3&theater>
--Boundary_(ID_6MNX3AxmigUKrXDUrNiPqA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 17:52:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BF79183465; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q5fv5XPx0i/vDmrxMYFYtMjbSYHZTwuvePf+zaGTFpM=; b=ZNOSwZmQdLdmujWIjWJ2W9QwKOVSS+LGhrsfB++9XJkl1gdRh+0K+zZ6VgxBcneB2X Sn1bfU+gkIATtA1S8bFNLeDRs/2MNNJrBtatvC/KdYcjReSnnL+TZu6Nz+uXS2LgTs3j 1mNMfMSkUwFXhI3ndS6vk5kpSxPnat29B2ooE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:52:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Okay =85 I was waiting for the explanation before weighing in on this. Historically, the problem goes back MUCH further; to wit: " In 1501, Ottaviano Petrucci published Harmonice Musices Odhecaton A, which contained 96 pieces of printed music. Petrucci's printing method produced clean, readable, elegant music, but it was a long, difficult process that required three separate passes through the printing press. Petrucci later developed a process which required only two passes through the press, but was still taxing since each pass required very precise alignment in order for the result to be legible. This was the first well distributed printed polyphonic music. Petrucci also printed the first tablature with movable type. Single impression printing first appeared in London around 1520. Pierre Attaingnant brought the technique into wide use in 1528, and it remained little changed for 200 years." From your favorite WikiPedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_music#Printing). >From the moment that sheet music was being created, the issue of "rights" immediately sprang up. Key points to remember are: 1. Country of jurisdiction. Rights vary depending upon where you are and where who you enter into agreements with are located. 2. Improvisation, written, whatever all is irrelevant =97 it is the "fixing into set form" that is at issue. This means ANY form of fixity, be it sheet music, CD-R, tape, or digital file. The act of "fixing" it is the point of artist's rights coming in to play. (And yes, in the US if you register it with the Copyright Office you DO strengthen any possible future claims) 3. Creative Commons is NOT the same thing as "copyright" though it can function similarly. CC is a set of possible "licensing" schema that artists/creatives can use to protect the use of their intellectual property. Because there is a considerable range of things that you can decide to allow or disallow via CC, it behooves you to read up on it and Matt Davignon's link is the place to start. 4. Country of jurisdiction. Yes, I repeated it. This list is international and what people are saying is NOT globally applicable, as we can see in this thread. It's critical to understand that not all countries are signatory to the Berne Convention (as the US is) and so are not covered by it. That, of course, is one of the problems with ACTA =97 but that's something of a separate discussion thread. Start by finding out what international agreements your country of residence has concerning copyright and whether to not they recognize the legitimacy of the use of CC licensing. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > yes - the process of making something that is immaterial material. > Making records. > > 2012/1/19 Per Boysen >> >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Dennis Moser >> wrote: >> > "Mechanisation?" What, exactly, do you mean by this? >> >> Guess he means the process of capturing a music recording on a physical >> medium. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 18:03:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4FD7183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XLnp/WJK+pc0L/Tm+iq8vCct5C8KTl2D+yH/JGwWIbE=; b=D8oW/J1ak8uW5tb8DZKKcEqmYH4FxdP7BYxIQ9/bDGvBD8B7naaWx6igLXUTBxCxST xab8V+89na1HQ8eJyk83tyFP2/33m20U1/B3Lr98sXE3BM5HKm+RIZhc/nINpTrmltHZ Of3bTzrShQeL65QJnIW8V96Bca/gLd7fJXtTw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:03:51 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b5c7e046ba004b6e563d8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:03:52 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93b5c7e046ba004b6e563d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, in fact, there are two things that are copyrighted - the composition itself and the recording. Often when people pursue licenses to use samples of another artist's work, they need to acquire both. There's a famous copyright case Newton V Diamond, in which the Beastie Boys acquired the mechanical (recording) license to use a sample of James Newton's "Choir" in their song "Pass the Mic". Newton's record label sold it to them without consulting Newton. Newton sued over the compositional license. (In this case, the record label held the rights to the recording and Newton held the rights to the composition.) Newton actually lost, because the "compositional element" was represented by only 3 notes on the sheet music, and that wasn't considered enough to be identifiable. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > yes - the process of making something that is immaterial material. > Making records. > > 2012/1/19 Per Boysen > >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Dennis Moser >> wrote: >> > "Mechanisation?" What, exactly, do you mean by this? >> >> Guess he means the process of capturing a music recording on a physical >> medium. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > > --14dae93b5c7e046ba004b6e563d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, in fact, there are two things that are copyrighted - the composition i= tself and the recording. Often when people pursue licenses to use samples o= f another artist's work, they need to acquire both.

There's= a famous copyright case Newton V Diamond, in which the Beastie Boys acquir= ed the mechanical (recording) license to use a sample of James Newton's= "Choir" in their song "Pass the Mic". Newton's rec= ord label sold it to them without consulting Newton. Newton sued over the c= ompositional license. (In this case, the record label held the rights to th= e recording and Newton held the rights to the composition.) Newton actually= lost, because the "compositional element" was represented by onl= y 3 notes on the sheet music, and that wasn't considered enough to be i= dentifiable.


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http= ://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

= On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
yes - the process of making something that i= s immaterial material.
Making records.

2012/1/19 Per Boysen <<= a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com= >
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Denni= s Moser <si= nsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mechanisation?" What, exactly, do you mean by this?

Guess he means the process of capturing a music recording on a physic= al medium.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




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Petri Lahtinen





--14dae93b5c7e046ba004b6e563d8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 18:09:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 353CD183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ey32nhghLhAMGPgRmceUSbUtlEW+Qn5uNMxgMhfjDtk=; b=UHGYxX5Gowdwldc8p4r8tfPyVXcC16JWRXBlXnz/3fVKOSosAffeT5isAgbTDyoaBc RqZS2YKGSWpDZC0kcTyTXGpBQ3CtgxPB+JBP9Sdxi7jkLJ1TL1FoJTA62s4fh93oyIp2 cbAA+uHdUqylq6C1Mb8l9/yV3neZgt4kFg1Ro= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:09:45 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ()TO Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04462f8619567c04b6e5782b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:09:46 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04462f8619567c04b6e5782b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dennis Moser was all: > From your favorite WikiPedia entry > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_music#Printing). > Actually, I think my favorite wikipedia entry is probably this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_me_in_the_ass (Go ahead and click on it. I promise that it's not what you think!) -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt --f46d04462f8619567c04b6e5782b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> was all:
>From your favorite WikiPedia entry
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_music#Printing).

Actually, I think my favorite wikipedia entry is probably this= one:
http://en.wikip= edia.org/wiki/Lick_me_in_the_ass

(Go ahead and click on it. I pr= omise that it's not what you think!)


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Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
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--f46d04462f8619567c04b6e5782b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 18:27:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CA55183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=uWXgB0dqfapuKybfgnLldF0BrjDv99PeT+DIFiaVGRs=; b=wq5pLrpPKJwkpS0EEuMN1Sy5+H2hbZMzHBoCU+L/LkIaiBvwQKComR2ZEg6hvUMk7Y 5KIjbcprkDV2v6EUlWEogrE+18V8mj5+bbRdYdVjFZv+zIEDrPpXHZIoRAg/YrSP5zCX gqNR3Aj1kAtaM9pbuU3R84oEptgAzzgQImvpo= Message-ID: <06BBF29C1F2B404B9362C40F1C54FF20@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:27:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_081A_01CCD69D.4FB7D900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:27:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_081A_01CCD69D.4FB7D900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's one for you Live gurus. So I'm using Live to host my VST synths = and the Reaktor VST, which has my ensembles (soft synths) and snaps = (like patches or presets) inside of that. This is what I'm struggling = with and I'm not sure if there is a solution. Let's say I have a favorite VST synth loaded in a MIDI track. And = inside that VST synth, I have a favorite patch. Right now, if I want to = access that patch in a live performance context, I have to first = activate the MIDI track (because I don't want it playing until that = point), then click on the VST synth's menu of presets, and then manually = select the preset. With Reaktor it requires an additional step, since = Reaktor itself is a collection of synths. I have to activiate the MIDI = track that has Reaktor in it, select the Ensemble (synth), and then = select the snap (patch). That's three steps. It is a royal pain in the = ass and total improv buzz killer. What I'd really like to do is hit a single MIDI button or pad on Axion = 25 that goes directly to the patch I want and combines all these steps = together. Is there a way to do this? =20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_081A_01CCD69D.4FB7D900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's one for you Live = gurus.   So I'm=20 using Live to host my VST synths and the Reaktor VST, which has my = ensembles=20 (soft synths) and snaps (like patches or presets) inside of that.  = This is=20 what I'm struggling with and I'm not sure if there is a = solution.
 
Let's say I have a favorite VST synth = loaded in a=20 MIDI track.  And inside that VST synth, I have a favorite = patch. =20 Right now, if I want to access that patch in a live performance context, = I have=20 to first activate the MIDI track (because I don't want it playing until = that=20 point), then click on the VST synth's menu of presets, and then manually = select=20 the preset.   With Reaktor it requires an additional step, = since=20 Reaktor itself is a collection of synths. I have to activiate the MIDI = track=20 that has Reaktor in it, select the Ensemble (synth), and then select the = snap=20 (patch). That's three steps.  It is a royal pain in the ass and = total=20 improv buzz killer.
 
What I'd really like to do is hit a = single MIDI=20 button or pad on  Axion 25 that goes directly to the patch I want = and=20 combines all these steps together. Is there a way to do this? =20
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_081A_01CCD69D.4FB7D900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 18:32:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 564B018345C; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mY6lBotbj/ZJaMOS2yA7MS2CsvsloEBte7HDV+KC6pE=; b=EldVJG0SUKkZzql3pIFddGL38RhDr6IgHrINjYhYWJSdQiIwnZmuDe0ioJWLC2LlEx LJzeKqP0ZDQzb9aPGNo6wqTLJl73E+2zNNQWts0yFW2WzD0kr2F2acskANJ4N1Pom22h WBL9nFtlqD0dZji6d/oXZ+cggBq3gBelQbwjo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:32:53 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Not quite on point, but an interesting case study regarding the performance of Folk music here in Ireland, whereby traditional "tunes" are developed and refined throughout years of session playing amongst multiple players and thus no one is assigned copyright in terms of composition. From IMRO's website: "In the case of Irish traditional music, no copyright issues arise when the music performed is part of a body of work that has been passed down from the time that would clearly indicate that any responsible copyright term has expired, and usually the origins of the music are anonymous. Variation and ornamentation tend to be the distinguishing features of the contemporary performance of this music. Such embellishments, however, do not create a new copyright arrangement because they exist only in the performance and not, as previously indicated, in any tangible form, such as writing or a recording. In such situations, it is presumed that artistic considerations only arise if the embellishments referred to are repeated by a third party. However, should recordings be made of such performances a right is recognised in those versions of the performance." There's all sorts of controversy regarding copyright of Folk music, which you may find interesting. Please read: http://www.beyondthecommons.com/iff2003.html As a result, few unpaid traditional music sessions exist, to my knowledge. R On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Yes, in fact, there are two things that are copyrighted - the composition > itself and the recording. Often when people pursue licenses to use samples > of another artist's work, they need to acquire both. > > There's a famous copyright case Newton V Diamond, in which the Beastie Boys > acquired the mechanical (recording) license to use a sample of James > Newton's "Choir" in their song "Pass the Mic". Newton's record label sold it > to them without consulting Newton. Newton sued over the compositional > license. (In this case, the record label held the rights to the recording > and Newton held the rights to the composition.) Newton actually lost, > because the "compositional element" was represented by only 3 notes on the > sheet music, and that wasn't considered enough to be identifiable. > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: >> >> yes - the process of making something that is immaterial material. >> Making records. >> >> 2012/1/19 Per Boysen >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Dennis Moser >>> wrote: >>> > "Mechanisation?" What, exactly, do you mean by this? >>> >>> Guess he means the process of capturing a music recording on a physical >>> medium. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Petri Lahtinen >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 19:40:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EF61183461; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wv/6b5jXGD7FkE1FF3QMpgHTm0fppgvIlrsmeiy7gxc=; b=sMwE+o/l+MC8xBIq+i2WpdtMv+kjytkKhLLVYQ+mOpmIHGFDU+MmZY0/WraLGr/4Md zOwluEPuG1C0TMd8C/Dcf79llT9wwx2fFnM1bVF2AULKJwtgZhG5n88Tzxug8XLn9XqI qhIdOJR3ZDDa/XkdAG6LzeJez+WtWc/yxuTnI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <06BBF29C1F2B404B9362C40F1C54FF20@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:40:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, "Rule number one" when dealing with hosted plugin instruments is to not call up patches like we do it on a hardware device. This because that would force the plugin host application to reset its memory structure on-the-fly and as you know the extra time buffer for this doesn't exist in music software - since there is always a next note to play in time, no time for rest. So how is this issue solved in real-time music applications? By pre loading many instances of the plugins, each one set to the preferred preset patch. Mainstage does that right away and recalls by MIDI Program Change but with Live you need to first create an instrument/effect rack. Inside this rack you load up many instances set to all =C2=A0the preset patches you want to use. When looking at the rack GUI click the little box named "Chain"; a grid with 128 points will open. Each of those 128 points may host one of your patches (unique plugin instance loaded for this patch). On the upper horizontal row you will see an orange colored marker; click MIDI Learn (upper right in global window), click the orange marker and send in a MIDI CC value. Each MIDI CC offers 128 values so if for example you want to use the modulation wheel to scroll between patches your first patch will be recalled by CC#01-01, second patch by CC#01-02 und so weiter. The mod wheel was a bad example though, because you may want to use some physical controller that is incremental, letting you advance by one patch at a time. If you want to use two pedal switches or push buttons, one for Next Patch and the other for Previous Patch, you need Max For Live. The M4L device that does this is named "rack inc-dec". Oh, I almost forgot: For this rack method of switching patches you have to first save each patch into Ableton Live's own format. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Here's one for you Live gurus.=C2=A0=C2=A0 So I'm using Live to host my V= ST synths and > the Reaktor VST, which has my ensembles (soft synths) and snaps (like > patches or presets) inside of that.=C2=A0 This is what I'm struggling wit= h and > I'm not sure if there is a solution. > > Let's say I have a favorite VST synth loaded in a MIDI track.=C2=A0 And i= nside > that VST synth, I have a favorite patch.=C2=A0 Right now, if I want to ac= cess > that patch in a live performance context, I have to first activate the MI= DI > track (because I don't want it playing until that point), then click on t= he > VST synth's menu of presets, and then manually select the preset.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 With > Reaktor it requires an additional step, since Reaktor itself is a collect= ion > of synths. I have to activiate the MIDI track that has Reaktor in it, sel= ect > the Ensemble (synth), and then select the snap (patch). That's three step= s. > It is a royal pain in the ass and total improv buzz killer. > > What I'd really like to do is hit a single MIDI button or pad on=C2=A0 Ax= ion 25 > that goes directly to the patch I want and combines all these steps > together. Is there a way to do this? > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 19:50:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEC0218345A; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=T/EhClf0hf0vz0dC3eUM8imKhmSOe2ZhZcxzBQrcvXQ=; b=apXBk85P7+AHVHo441Gunk4XJnnRQx5kslVh1laIm6vDztVjyu5pwI0hPJPzF8MO5L E2plx9W7Tfi3wW4IrYDACbe3qA39nIOHaYAgA/VwIwKzhVolyX/PcgnfdS4peux8DuxV fMRDnVOteh9sl38rOie6/MAaEkSt2WJMP8zpk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <06BBF29C1F2B404B9362C40F1C54FF20@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:50:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Just remembered a related hint that is useful. When you have set up a rack in Live to handle your patches/plugin instances you need to scroll through all of them before you begin to play. If you forget to do this you may nevertheless run into nasty crackling audio drop-outs when switching between patches. My guess is that Live doesn't automatically go through all patches to fixate a memory structure for safe playback, so you need to initially kick Live's ass to assure a decently behavior. (this is true for many other music apps, not only Live) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Kris, > > "Rule number one" when dealing with hosted plugin instruments is to > not call up patches like we do it on a hardware device. This because > that would force the plugin host application to reset its memory > structure on-the-fly and as you know the extra time buffer for this > doesn't exist in music software - since there is always a next note to > play in time, no time for rest. > > So how is this issue solved in real-time music applications? By pre > loading many instances of the plugins, each one set to the preferred > preset patch. Mainstage does that right away and recalls by MIDI > Program Change but with Live you need to first create an > instrument/effect rack. Inside this rack you load up many instances > set to all =C2=A0the preset patches you want to use. When looking at the > rack GUI click the little box named "Chain"; a grid with 128 points > will open. Each of those 128 points may host one of your patches > (unique plugin instance loaded for this patch). On the upper > horizontal row you will see an orange colored marker; click MIDI Learn > (upper right in global window), click the orange marker and send in a > MIDI CC value. Each MIDI CC offers 128 values so if for example you > want to use the modulation wheel to scroll between patches your first > patch will be recalled by CC#01-01, second patch by CC#01-02 und so > weiter. The mod wheel was a bad example though, because you may want > to use some physical controller that is incremental, letting you > advance by one patch at a time. > > If you want to use two pedal switches or push buttons, one for Next > Patch and the other for Previous Patch, you need Max For Live. The M4L > device that does this is named "rack inc-dec". > > Oh, I almost forgot: For this rack method of switching patches you > have to first save each patch into Ableton Live's own format. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kris Hartung = wrote: >> Here's one for you Live gurus.=C2=A0=C2=A0 So I'm using Live to host my = VST synths and >> the Reaktor VST, which has my ensembles (soft synths) and snaps (like >> patches or presets) inside of that.=C2=A0 This is what I'm struggling wi= th and >> I'm not sure if there is a solution. >> >> Let's say I have a favorite VST synth loaded in a MIDI track.=C2=A0 And = inside >> that VST synth, I have a favorite patch.=C2=A0 Right now, if I want to a= ccess >> that patch in a live performance context, I have to first activate the M= IDI >> track (because I don't want it playing until that point), then click on = the >> VST synth's menu of presets, and then manually select the preset.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 With >> Reaktor it requires an additional step, since Reaktor itself is a collec= tion >> of synths. I have to activiate the MIDI track that has Reaktor in it, se= lect >> the Ensemble (synth), and then select the snap (patch). That's three ste= ps. >> It is a royal pain in the ass and total improv buzz killer. >> >> What I'd really like to do is hit a single MIDI button or pad on=C2=A0 A= xion 25 >> that goes directly to the patch I want and combines all these steps >> together. Is there a way to do this? >> >> Kris >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 20:08:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2759183460; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7e00bb72-a5e8-4e2c-8a1d-e2fcee8008b8_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: nOISE iNTERACTS wITH qUIESCENCE (some granular looping in a minimalistic improvisation) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:08:28 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2012 20:08:29.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C6D9EB0:01CCD6E6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:08:30 +0000 (UTC) --_7e00bb72-a5e8-4e2c-8a1d-e2fcee8008b8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So once again=2C guitar and Octatrack.. and only that.. no pre-recorded sam= pler at all.. One take no edits no effects added at all.. minimalism =3B-). http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/noise-interacts-with I quite like this one.. many loops but very short.. = --_7e00bb72-a5e8-4e2c-8a1d-e2fcee8008b8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So once again=2C guitar and Octatrack.. and only that.. no pre-recorded sam= pler at all.. =3B
One take no edits no effects added at all.. minim= alism =3B-).


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= --_7e00bb72-a5e8-4e2c-8a1d-e2fcee8008b8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 20:27:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEAA7183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=TGdYS7oLk4jEs1Yt0gOeJh+Q8pmpf1VnJlSBR34PThw=; b=qJe2sIJ/Zp2HVIqeTSkssylwsXFfALj/VIBOmZhZgmA/Q9Gtf/ff4BguuEcwVPg1oi RJ3bI/iKGhEghe/IWFEDnzku49NRVmySyEDp2tSwGXFbmozwoRcGOePmaipVoiFTm3g1 GZJ6naiizvnblY50F6ib2QPlLUSnXTL7/PmAQ= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <06BBF29C1F2B404B9362C40F1C54FF20@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:27:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Awesome! This is excellent. Thanks, Per. I remember reading about racks in Live, but I haven't been ableto figure out how to creat one. For some reason, the manual didn't make it very clear ot me. Do you know of a youtube video turorial on this? Kris ----- Original Message ----- ...with Live you need to first create an instrument/effect rack. Inside this rack you load up many instances set to all the preset patches you want to use. When looking at the rack GUI click the little box named "Chain"; a grid with 128 points will open. Each of those 128 points may host one of your patches (unique plugin instance loaded for this patch). On the upper horizontal row you will see an orange colored marker; click MIDI Learn (upper right in global window), click the orange marker and send in a MIDI CC value. Each MIDI CC offers 128 values so if for example you want to use the modulation wheel to scroll between patches your first patch will be recalled by CC#01-01, second patch by CC#01-02 und so weiter. The mod wheel was a bad example though, because you may want to use some physical controller that is incremental, letting you advance by one patch at a time. If you want to use two pedal switches or push buttons, one for Next Patch and the other for Previous Patch, you need Max For Live. The M4L device that does this is named "rack inc-dec". Oh, I almost forgot: For this rack method of switching patches you have to first save each patch into Ableton Live's own format. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Here's one for you Live gurus. So I'm using Live to host my VST synths and > the Reaktor VST, which has my ensembles (soft synths) and snaps (like > patches or presets) inside of that. This is what I'm struggling with and > I'm not sure if there is a solution. > > Let's say I have a favorite VST synth loaded in a MIDI track. And inside > that VST synth, I have a favorite patch. Right now, if I want to access > that patch in a live performance context, I have to first activate the > MIDI > track (because I don't want it playing until that point), then click on > the > VST synth's menu of presets, and then manually select the preset. With > Reaktor it requires an additional step, since Reaktor itself is a > collection > of synths. I have to activiate the MIDI track that has Reaktor in it, > select > the Ensemble (synth), and then select the snap (patch). That's three > steps. > It is a royal pain in the ass and total improv buzz killer. > > What I'd really like to do is hit a single MIDI button or pad on Axion 25 > that goes directly to the patch I want and combines all these steps > together. Is there a way to do this? > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 20:49:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3255E183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xKYRQVtFypwKczjicuDnIc1qyTc3uet2T7gj7yseHRs=; b=buJauVMN1IxU3hYXykHvE838gB6LEb6+GBI3Q3UYj9uLFgDZCGclfVp6hNdCDwK0U0 QpUSnfwWhiJfRhHjFPZZ0Bo9D5UdEfIVcGASNPKRx4PDncjyDKxBg6yYZ5i4U2ymMIjp FK+W+Ogb9YP2Ysks+r7PDhZGQAmVN0+CA/Cck= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <06BBF29C1F2B404B9362C40F1C54FF20@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:49:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6VDUF.A.NrH.OHIGPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I remember many - but I don't remember the URLs. Try a YouTube search. Or you could grab the mouse and drag an empty rack from the browser window and drop it on your instrument track header (in Session View). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Awesome! This is excellent. Thanks, Per. =C2=A0I remember reading about r= acks in > Live, but I haven't been ableto figure out how to creat one. For some > reason, the manual didn't make it very clear ot me. =C2=A0Do you know of = a > youtube video turorial on this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 21:03:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F22D2183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=BUPe8MJW6/HPzGo5WkwI51JKIpNdUhKhE2/sszoPFFc=; b=mgu5YVTlrDon1Ij/gIcSJvRFhC6SCTLGiR6mReSp+gGtuswS8q1sXDSwqxN5te3Mat JOELn2PwIlbi9s60+rLlfzpGr2+dbFcYjM+OkYdn5tc6gSJBio6NIJRkIf/oSntg4iBE tAypdQsqiVUUbNcDBUb+a24VThUsCWQiNXJd0= Message-ID: <3BA12E59E7D14731ABD544811BB2C015@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <06BBF29C1F2B404B9362C40F1C54FF20@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:03:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:03:38 +0000 (UTC) I found one. http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/02/25/how-to-use-ableton-live-racks-to-create-multi-sampled-instruments/ I like this. this is going to make my life so easier...especially for a rehearsal tonight. I am loving Live more and more each week. Yes, I remember many - but I don't remember the URLs. Try a YouTube search. Or you could grab the mouse and drag an empty rack from the browser window and drop it on your instrument track header (in Session View). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Awesome! This is excellent. Thanks, Per. I remember reading about racks in > Live, but I haven't been ableto figure out how to creat one. For some > reason, the manual didn't make it very clear ot me. Do you know of a > youtube video turorial on this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 21:23:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6A19183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=METSuJYEHfshc0YqRCgn24DDn7jDOiuwoXGnGCjQ0Gs=; b=o1IJ6w0z75UqdjF66dEpdqzVCmZy6QTPYxWppWnp38HXaRmkSQcm/aWqNxBieH41fq BfczsDoE4e5YgU/uOZi4FPLMSxwyI+huLuumjrCQc+NYLqMsW3hg3DghpayB/wdjX44o W8CfuORoIbE8E1dL2qWWL1AZxDZ83/S62ulRA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3BA12E59E7D14731ABD544811BB2C015@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <06BBF29C1F2B404B9362C40F1C54FF20@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3BA12E59E7D14731ABD544811BB2C015@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:23:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:23:09 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > . =C2=A0I am loving Live more and more each week. Me too! I used it at the latest concert in Istanbul to do live playing with effects and live looping in combination with pre prepared backing tracks. Then I ran Live as the sync master and it worked flawlessly. But unfortunately Live has some serious issues when running as the sync slave to a looper (or any other MIDI Clock master unit). If you use a delay effects you get a total audio drop-out when Live receives a tempo change. I have been struggling for days to get around this but it seems impossible. At least I have learned some cool signal routing and I will see if I can set up the same rig in Bidule now (the best slave sync host I know so far). If I can't get that sound out of Bidule I will try in Mainstage, but MS also has this tendency to drop audio while adjusting tempo, although not at all as bad as Live. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 22:20:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897CA183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0B0B1855-35EC-481B-8E16-88D3527C3F4B@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-812050745 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:20:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:20:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-812050745 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hosa Cables GPM-179 ADAPTOR 3.5MM TRS - 1/4 INCH TS available at your local music retailer :-) Bill --Apple-Mail-3-812050745 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hosa Cables GPM-179 ADAPTOR 3.5MM TRS - 1/4 INCH TS


available at your local music retailer :-)
 Bill
 --Apple-Mail-3-812050745-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 22:50:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E54183461; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NL6rxR8daOEP3N2AKwZagkzWDvc+jmWaGNV/pQWetL0=; b=hEkXugB51pz6XF9VGqVpQprrcpKwF2hNubvVcbmvMJ0009lL7E+jTSoxqR8fwFrsHj j/7F/g8NYz57Q7zCsHNxm9gHr9+ZYwsgTIVmnNu1AkH5N//lbgadg1mYL1gRPrkxaDiW jAQVGcgVVrrtMM0WXIXFSw6OhkTyvuF7dDRz8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0B0B1855-35EC-481B-8E16-88D3527C3F4B@baymoon.com> References: <0B0B1855-35EC-481B-8E16-88D3527C3F4B@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:50:32 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b5dea3c03fd04b6e964c1 Resent-Message-ID: <4GrTJ.A.EWB.44JGPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:50:32 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93b5dea3c03fd04b6e964c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah - I did a search for "1/8 stereo 1/4 mono" on amazon, and I got this: http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMP105-Stereo-Inch-Phone/dp/B000068O3F/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327012757&sr=8-1 Matt On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:20 PM, William Walker wrote: > Hosa Cables GPM-179 ADAPTOR 3.5MM TRS - 1/4 INCH TS > > available at your local music retailer :-) > Bill > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt --14dae93b5dea3c03fd04b6e964c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah - I did a search for "1/8 stereo 1/4 mono" on amazon, and I = got this:
h= ttp://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMP105-Stereo-Inch-Phone/dp/B000068O3F/ref=3Dsr_1= _1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1327012757&sr=3D8-1

Matt

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:20 PM,= William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

Hosa Cables GPM-179 ADAPTOR 3.5MM TRS - 1/4 INCH TS


available at your local music retailer :-)
=A0Bill
<= /div>



--
Matt Davignon
<= a href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mattdavignon@gma= il.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
http://www.youtube.com/use= r/ribosomematt
--14dae93b5dea3c03fd04b6e964c1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 23:36:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 526BD183462; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F18A8E8.1000802@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:36:08 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #771 for January 12, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:36:23 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120112.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #771 January 12, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8179 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Secrets To Tell You" on Internal Combustion Records.http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#jan PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) cyberCHUMP Darking Don't Their Moment of Happiness (Internal Compustion) Austere Tonality Euterpe (relaxedMACHINERY) Robert Rich Salamandr Quay Medicine Box (Soundscape) Dave Luxton Shadow Clouds Music From the Firmament (Wayfarer) Modulator ESP Into the Matrix Into the Matrix (none) cyberCHUMP Plateaux Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== cyberCHUMP Lighten Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP The Atmosphere Next Secrets To Tell You (Internal Door Combustion) cyberCHUMP Healing Time Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Among the Islands Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Boogie Caravan Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Tango Noir Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Secrets To Tell You Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Achu Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Spanish Funk Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Yearning Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sankhara" on Internal Combustion Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 23:48:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B3BB18345E; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F18ABBA.1080103@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:48:10 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:48:23 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sankhara" on Internal Conbustion Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 00:35:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 763BB183461; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=WcyoBHRqAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=CV0I_v64FJy6niSN9ykA:9 a=NDNqrUB0Eeq808uVntoA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=hBNGvDVWQ-u8m-cr5PEA:9 a=ecEjL_AErg52cHNf-7oA:7 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:117 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:35:22 -0500 (EST) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <36e6c19b.17ffaf.134f88a0748.Webtop.45@charter.net> Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5758178_734349140.1327019722546" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 45 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:35:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5758178_734349140.1327019722546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Uuuuhhh . . . no . . . not really. :-) On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: I don't know what that sounds like but it looks like you are a good dancer. T http://teddyjam.com On Jan 19, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Petri Lahtinen < kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com > wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Ted Killian < tedkillian@charter.net > wrote: Hi-ho, stereo! Stereo, at least when I'm playing guitar and looping is pretty much a necessity in my book. The last time I played a Y2K fest in Santa Cruz I went small(er) and my rig was the one pictured at the link below: < https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1222372850122&set=t.1552981135&type=3&theater > My regular, slightly larger rig that I play at home and anywhere where I get a little more time to set up is pictured here: < https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150535067268972&set=a.42268958971.50665.30024123971&type=3&theater > ------=_Part_5758178_734349140.1327019722546 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Uuuuhhh  . . . no . . .  not reall= y.

:-)

On Thu, Jan = 19, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:

=
 I don't know what tha= t sounds like but it looks like you are a good dancer.
=

On Jan 19, 2= 012, at 11:21 AM, Petri Lahtinen < kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: <= /DIV>
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012= at 3:10 AM, Ted Killian < tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi-ho, stereo!

<= DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT">Stereo, at least when I'm playing guitar and = looping is pretty much a necessity in my book.

=
The last time I played a Y2K fest in = Santa Cruz I went small(er) and my rig was the one pictured at the link bel= ow:

My regular, slightly larger rig that= I play at home and anywhere where I get a little more time to set up is pi= ctured here:

------=_Part_5758178_734349140.1327019722546-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 00:47:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 747F2183460; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=c9eTbBAgAAAA:8 a=0SHa2kosAAAA:20 a=NYK1VgplQIwk_RZuJKIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=I_8xz67Ya5AA:10 a=FBI4_SolakZiLpY4KfIA:9 a=IYqAafUyS4beItownukA:7 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:117 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:47:00 -0500 (EST) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <7dbb8f70.1801ad.134f894b299.Webtop.45@charter.net> Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5760027_1713512247.1327020420741" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 45 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:47:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5760027_1713512247.1327020420741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've a bunch of material up on ReverbNation.com . . . but none done with the rig with the laptop and all those EV-5s. I do have a video on YouTube the musical track for which was made with it: :-) On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: Havent seen Mr. Killian's live rig before - impressive set-up! Is there online material of this rig in live action? ------=_Part_5760027_1713512247.1327020420741 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I've a bunch of material up on ReverbNation.= com . . . but none done with the rig with the laptop and all those EV-5s.

I do have a= video on YouTube the musical track for which was made with it:
<http://www.youtub= e.com/watch?v=3Dx-9oQLIaoM4>

:-)


=
On Thu, Jan 19,= 2012 at 8:21 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote:

<= DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"> Havent seen Mr. Killian's live rig befo= re - impressive set-up!
 I= s there online material of this rig in live action?
------=_Part_5760027_1713512247.1327020420741-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 00:54:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D491183464; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=9sJ-XpWWAfFVG11n-mQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=5sXuN2udfTxfzUc3630A:9 a=3DqqmSmgLfm3n4E_-Z8A:7 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:117 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:54:11 -0500 (EST) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <56adc3f7.180310.134f89b422b.Webtop.45@charter.net> Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5761307_907161382.1327020851747" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 45 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:54:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5761307_907161382.1327020851747 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mark, I put a JPEG control and signal flow chart up on FarceButt too: Enjoy! :-) On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:56 AM, mark francombe wrote: Fantastic photos Ted, love the pedals. Id love to know what you are using them all for, I can see a vortex in the rack, thanks for that, it means Ill play thought it a bit today.. one of my more neglected bits of kit, which, however will never leave the rack. Thats a pretty stereo instrument. ------=_Part_5761307_907161382.1327020851747 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Mark,

I put a JPEG control and signal flow chart up on= FarceButt too:

<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3D10150535238028972&= set=3Da.42268958971.50665.30024123971&type=3D3&theater>
Enjoy!
:-)

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1= 2:56 AM, mark francombe wrote:

 Fantastic photos Ted, love the pedals. Id love t= o know what you are using them all for, I can see a vortex in the rack, tha= nks for that, it means Ill play thought it a  bit today.. one of my mo= re neglected bits of kit, which, however will never leave the rack. Thats a= pretty stereo instrument.
------=_Part_5761307_907161382.1327020851747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 01:31:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD9BD183462; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F18C3FC.90107@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:31:40 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Walker CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig References: <0B0B1855-35EC-481B-8E16-88D3527C3F4B@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <0B0B1855-35EC-481B-8E16-88D3527C3F4B@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:31:50 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote: > > > Hosa Cables GPM-179 ADAPTOR 3.5MM TRS - 1/4 INCH TS > I just purchased two of them at Union Grove Music (where my lovely wife works)!!! Thanks, Bill................you are a godsend in my life, frequently! love, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 01:35:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CEB5183464; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <06BBF29C1F2B404B9362C40F1C54FF20@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Harry Weinberg X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEA52AE4CCDF0A_1B40_17098_webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35363-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEA52AE4C0F80C-1B40-685E@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [96.224.251.246] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:35:15 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492755808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d4f18c4d326c0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:35:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEA52AE4CCDF0A_1B40_17098_webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think MacPro Video has a tutorial on racks. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Realty Advisory Board On Labor Relations, Inc. 292 Madison Avenue - 16th Floor New York, N.Y. 10017 (212) 889-4100 (212) 889-4105 (F) (917) 687-6019 (C) -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2012 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection Awesome! This is excellent. Thanks, Per. I remember reading about racks in= =20 ive, but I haven't been ableto figure out how to creat one. For some=20 eason, the manual didn't make it very clear ot me. Do you know of a=20 outube video turorial on this? ris ----- Original Message -----=20 ...with Live you need to first create an nstrument/effect rack. Inside this rack you load up many instances et to all the preset patches you want to use. When looking at the ack GUI click the little box named "Chain"; a grid with 128 points ill open. Each of those 128 points may host one of your patches unique plugin instance loaded for this patch). On the upper orizontal row you will see an orange colored marker; click MIDI Learn upper right in global window), click the orange marker and send in a IDI CC value. Each MIDI CC offers 128 values so if for example you ant to use the modulation wheel to scroll between patches your first atch will be recalled by CC#01-01, second patch by CC#01-02 und so eiter. The mod wheel was a bad example though, because you may want o use some physical controller that is incremental, letting you dvance by one patch at a time. If you want to use two pedal switches or push buttons, one for Next atch and the other for Previous Patch, you need Max For Live. The M4L evice that does this is named "rack inc-dec". Oh, I almost forgot: For this rack method of switching patches you ave to first save each patch into Ableton Live's own format. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen ww.perboysen.com ttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kris Hartung = =20 rote: Here's one for you Live gurus. So I'm using Live to host my VST synths and the Reaktor VST, which has my ensembles (soft synths) and snaps (like patches or presets) inside of that. This is what I'm struggling with and I'm not sure if there is a solution. Let's say I have a favorite VST synth loaded in a MIDI track. And inside that VST synth, I have a favorite patch. Right now, if I want to access that patch in a live performance context, I have to first activate the=20 MIDI track (because I don't want it playing until that point), then click on=20 the VST synth's menu of presets, and then manually select the preset. With Reaktor it requires an additional step, since Reaktor itself is a=20 collection of synths. I have to activiate the MIDI track that has Reaktor in it,=20 select the Ensemble (synth), and then select the snap (patch). That's three=20 steps. It is a royal pain in the ass and total improv buzz killer. What I'd really like to do is hit a single MIDI button or pad on Axion 25 that goes directly to the patch I want and combines all these steps together. Is there a way to do this? Kris ----------MB_8CEA52AE4CCDF0A_1B40_17098_webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I think MacPro Vide= o has a tutorial on racks.
 
Harry

Harry Weinberg, Esq.
Realty Advisory Board On Labor Relations, Inc.
292 Madison Avenue - 16th Floor
New York, N.Y. 10017
(212) 889-4100
(212) 889-4105 (F)
(917) 687-6019 (C)


= -----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2012 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: Ableton Live - Easing Usability with SoftSynth Patch Selection= 

Awesom=
e! This is excellent. Thanks, Per.  I remember reading about racks in=20
Live, but I haven't been ableto figure out how to creat one. For some=20
reason, the manual didn't make it very clear ot me.  Do you know of a=20
youtube video turorial on this?
Kris

----- Original Message -----=20



...with Live you need to first create an
instrument/effect rack. Inside this rack you load up many instances
set to all the preset patches you want to use. When looking at the
rack GUI click the little box named "Chain"; a grid with 128 points
will open. Each of those 128 points may host one of your patches
(unique plugin instance loaded for this patch). On the upper
horizontal row you will see an orange colored marker; click MIDI Learn
(upper right in global window), click the orange marker and send in a
MIDI CC value. Each MIDI CC offers 128 values so if for example you
want to use the modulation wheel to scroll between patches your first
patch will be recalled by CC#01-01, second patch by CC#01-02 und so
weiter. The mod wheel was a bad example though, because you may want
to use some physical controller that is incremental, letting you
advance by one patch at a time.

If you want to use two pedal switches or push buttons, one for Next
Patch and the other for Previous Patch, you need Max For Live. The M4L
device that does this is named "rack inc-dec".

Oh, I almost forgot: For this rack method of switching patches you
have to first save each patch into Ableton Live's own format.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.you=
tube.com/perboysen



On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>=20
wrote:
> Here's one for you Live gurus. So I'm using Live to host my VST synths=
 and
> the Reaktor VST, which has my ensembles (soft synths) and snaps (like
> patches or presets) inside of that. This is what I'm struggling with a=
nd
> I'm not sure if there is a solution.
>
> Let's say I have a favorite VST synth loaded in a MIDI track. And insi=
de
> that VST synth, I have a favorite patch. Right now, if I want to acces=
s
> that patch in a live performance context, I have to first activate the=
=20
> MIDI
> track (because I don't want it playing until that point), then click o=
n=20
> the
> VST synth's menu of presets, and then manually select the preset. With
> Reaktor it requires an additional step, since Reaktor itself is a=20
> collection
> of synths. I have to activiate the MIDI track that has Reaktor in it,=
=20
> select
> the Ensemble (synth), and then select the snap (patch). That's three=
=20
> steps.
> It is a royal pain in the ass and total improv buzz killer.
>
> What I'd really like to do is hit a single MIDI button or pad on Axion=
 25
> that goes directly to the patch I want and combines all these steps
> together. Is there a way to do this?
>
> Kris
>
>
----------MB_8CEA52AE4CCDF0A_1B40_17098_webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 01:48:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 110B6183462; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F18C7DC.2090907@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:48:12 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Stereo Separation? References: <7dbb8f70.1801ad.134f894b299.Webtop.45@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <7dbb8f70.1801ad.134f894b299.Webtop.45@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:48:24 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, tEd kiLLiAn wrote: > I do have a video on YouTube the musical track for which was made with > it: > > I've seen this before but it was great watching it again. Nice drum programming. do you mind me asking how you did it and with what program? rick walker ps that's such an assemblage of 'texture' photographs. It just occurred to me that it would very hip if you could have a program that would digitally rearrange or 'animate' textural still shots like these. Is there such a thing, pray tell? I'm thinking along the lines of how Leviathan and V-Squared Labs used the Kinekt to 'animate' Amon Tobin's amazing ISAM show this past year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-9oQLIaoM4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 07:59:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58D7E183462; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=dQ+rM5W9/8dVNAlaTxkiN12K5ARnFPm58g7CCVRWZ+4=; b=g7ccpjUjH4lY5a2E2ay77OpibLxXrtbdQ3lav4kQrGmr0VZJO7DcS3Gzmo3L+ZP/2j gENDPCQ/yPj0nH8/uMrK/JgZaBJzSBA6iOkO/zKg36tHbKhfstuP2DDz8Ia2mT7ohfx3 CHInK/HfFKBDiQSPHFWg5+WiLuLrWe6KoAl7c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <56adc3f7.180310.134f89b422b.Webtop.45@charter.net> References: <56adc3f7.180310.134f89b422b.Webtop.45@charter.net> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:58:59 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wIst5HEGQOb1SlQWTi4J-pO_TUY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Stereo Separation? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6438c2e61e5c04b6f10e95 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:59:21 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6438c2e61e5c04b6f10e95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a wonderful chart!! I really love all the pedals, I always resisted pedals for everything, like EDP feedback etc... and its a while since I had a pedal plugged into the Vortex. I was for a while trying to keep everything inside my HUGE pedalboard box ( a very old but real roadworthy thing, that stinks of Cat pee (yes.. they did)) But now I am just plugged in on the floor, maybe I should investigat a few pedals. Im loving having lots of paremeters on variable control via the iPhone and missing link... But that chart man, thats cool... I think I have to do the same! Now wheres that Omni graf program thingy...? M On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:54 AM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wr= ote: > Mark, > > I put a JPEG control and signal flow chart up on FarceButt too: > > < > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3D10150535238028972&set=3Da.42268= 958971.50665.30024123971&type=3D3&theater > > > > Enjoy! > > :-) > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:56 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > Fantastic photos Ted, love the pedals. Id love to know what you are usin= g > them all for, I can see a vortex in the rack, thanks for that, it means I= ll > play thought it a bit today.. one of my more neglected bits of kit, whic= h, > however will never leave the rack. Thats a pretty stereo instrument. > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f6438c2e61e5c04b6f10e95 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a wonderful chart!!
I really love all the pedals, I always resisted= pedals for everything, like EDP feedback etc...=A0 and its a while since I= had a pedal plugged into the Vortex. I was for a while trying to keep ever= ything inside my HUGE pedalboard box ( a very old but real roadworthy thing= , that stinks of Cat pee (yes.. they did)) But now I am just plugged in on = the floor, maybe I should investigat a few pedals. Im loving having lots of= paremeters on variable control via the iPhone and missing link...

But that chart man, thats cool...
I think I have to do the same!
Now wheres that Omni graf program thingy...?

M



<= br>
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:54 AM, tEd =AE = kiLLiAn <ted= killian@charter.net> wrote:
Mark,

I put a JPEG control and signal flow chart up on FarceButt too:<= /div>
Enjoy!=

:-)

On Thu, Jan 1= 9, 2012 at 12:56 AM, mark francombe wrote:

=A0Fantastic photos Ted, love the pedals. Id love to know what you are = using them all for, I can see a vortex in the rack, thanks for that, it mea= ns Ill play thought it a=A0 bit today.. one of my more neglected bits of ki= t, which, however will never leave the rack. Thats a pretty stereo instrume= nt.



--
Mark Francom= be
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--e89a8f6438c2e61e5c04b6f10e95-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 12:43:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DE25183460; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F19615F.00A5,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=V7CHlOeuTX8qJ/M3k4aXqqkD6LmfniLgByWCSbrUMUU= c=1 sm=1 a=N2bRAYWTxxcA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=rUo3EZNfAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=AOeQR98CTP1oewKdsmwA:9 a=NhafC8UjFoqxoY-MUNoA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=BVb7zlx9uhObxlvl:21 a=Agocd-wje1voxmGN:21 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4F17B63A.4080801@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:43:09 -0800 Message-ID: <420DC470E32346378126013BB3BFA08A@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4F17B63A.4080801@cruzio.com> Thread-Index: AczWcoAPYTfZyPWWRLyPnOgrtpWBpgA/mPNA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:43:12 +0000 (UTC) My friend makes the iKnob-- http://www.kharmadesignusa.com/products/ipod/iknob/ Not cheap, but exactly what you are asking for. He won't have a booth at the show, but is performing--he's an excellent violinist, a prot=E9g=E9 of Richard Greene . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:21 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig I have a Dtar, which is a high quality, but mono only, preamplifier that I"m using for my NAMM demos this coming weekend. I'm loving the iPad so much that I want to use it in my demos but I'm having problems finding a cable that converts 1/8" stereo (male) to 1/4" mono (male). How do you guys use your iPads in your shows.......always in stereo? I'm going nuts trying to find a solution. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 15:18:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5B3F183460; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <0B0B1855-35EC-481B-8E16-88D3527C3F4B@baymoon.com> <4F18C3FC.90107@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to Connect the iPad to a looping rig In-Reply-To: <4F18C3FC.90107@cruzio.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEA59DE2D89986_1EE4_31E8C_webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35363-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEA59DE2C58E76-1EE4-E8FC@webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.160.250] Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:18:24 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438274912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094f1985c076a9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:18:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEA59DE2D89986_1EE4_31E8C_webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote: > > > Hosa Cables GPM-179 ADAPTOR 3.5MM TRS - 1/4 INCH TS > I just purchased two of them at Union Grove Music (where my lovely wife works)!!! Thanks, Bill................you are a godsend in my life, frequently! love, Rick oh you KALI KIDZ!!!!! =20 ----------MB_8CEA59DE2D89986_1EE4_31E8C_webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote: > > > Hosa Cables GPM-179 ADAPTOR 3.5MM TRS - 1/4 INCH TS > I just purchased two of them at Union Grove Music (where my lovely wife works)!!! Thanks, Bill................you are a godsend in my life, frequently! love, Rick


oh you KALI KIDZ!!!!!
----------MB_8CEA59DE2D89986_1EE4_31E8C_webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 21:42:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3926318345E; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=0nPzplsfoiwA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=0SHa2kosAAAA:20 a=kwm8A1A08id3u3gMx8IA:9 a=7K2But2zpA3uqzv2jJIA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:42:30 -0500 (EST) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <5e73faad.18c144.134fd121dad.Webtop.48@charter.net> Subject: Re: Re: Stereo Separation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 48 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Oh Rick, You know me, I can't do nything unless it's over-complicated and uses at=20 least two or three out of print (obsolete and unsupported) pieces of=20 software and/or hardware. The backbone of the piece (drum programming as you refer to it) was done=20 in ancient IK Multimedia Groovemaker 2.0, Hyperprism, and SoundEdit16=20 and then loaded into my randomizing multitrack MaxMSP sample Player -=20 part of the massive Max perfomance patch thingy that Jeff Kaiser and I=20 (mostly Jeff) cobbled together. Also loaded were old leftover scraps from my contribution to the CT=20 collective Reuse/Recycle project (faux daxophone) and a bunch of other=20 snot. Just ad live groany droney guitar gestures in deep reverb (and a lot of=20 other silly FX) over it and hit record. I wasn't terribly happy with my performance though so I tweased it some=20 more in my DAW - and cut down the length. Pretty uncharacteristic of how I usually sound, it's still my only=20 recorded sample of something I've done with the new rig. Got to get busy and change that. It is capable of quite a lot. The video was done in HyperEngine/Montage and iMovie and is a collection=20 of images I've either made or found over the last 30 years or so. I made it to use with my new little LED video projector shoule I ever=20 get a chance to perfom again. I like to give people something else to look at besides me. I'm no "performer" as you know. I am an ancient and uninteresting shoe-gazer music technologist. A music maker or "provider" . . . but not a "performer." Gotta make things to distract folks from watching me just sitting there=20 immobile and drooling on my guitar (LOL). Cheers, Ted On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> I do have a video on YouTube the musical track for which was made=20 >> with it: >> >> > I've seen this before but it was great watching it again. > > Nice drum programming. do you mind me asking how you did it and with=20 > what > program? > > rick walker >> ps that's such an assemblage of 'texture' photographs. > > It just occurred to me that it would very hip if you could have a=20 > program that > would digitally rearrange or 'animate' textural still shots like=20 > these. > Is there such a thing, pray tell? > > I'm thinking along the lines of how Leviathan and V-Squared Labs used=20 > the Kinekt to 'animate' > Amon Tobin's amazing ISAM show this past year. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dx-9oQLIaoM4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 04:57:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7D14183461; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 04:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F1A459B.50602@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:56:59 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 04:57:13 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, January 21 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 09:19:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DBAC183460; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=G1PctP/CRjxnawEuKZR2YDnzKZxaszv0XzILj2dUmdg=; b=bXc2XIHvvwSnqK1nYw8blZ5Kv+ZUL2RjYTr4KNb9ya4J6zLLw7fPqnYAQSFREolVJ6 jsFIP83iTlAToopIc6ayEogrt3Wi2AY0+ilkJdc3tO8uJiLboIcxja9LET0CKpvCoueW Ll+NHuCMo6x9Kf1qNH2eHl812vFJWyE5t0Hf8= Message-ID: <8C7B12C6C774403D9679F3DF53790023@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Reconfiguring the AKAI APC40 with BOME MIDI Translator for use with Ableton Live Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:19:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_093C_01CCD7E3.13095AF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:19:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_093C_01CCD7E3.13095AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD4YIGfhbCtw (see 1:37 onward) Okay, has anyone done this? This blows my mind. I MUST figure this out. = I love my APC40 so far, but being able to change the default = functionality and reconfigure the 40 pads to do something totally = different than launching clips in Ableston Live (like activating synths) = is exactly what I need to do. Before I buy BOME, I need to be = confident that I can actually pull this off. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_093C_01CCD7E3.13095AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DD4YIGfhbCtw (see=20 1:37 onward)
 
Okay, has anyone done this?  This = blows my=20 mind. I MUST figure this out.  I love my APC40 so far, but being = able to=20 change the default functionality and reconfigure the 40 pads to do=20 something totally different than launching clips in Ableston Live = (like=20 activating synths) is exactly what I need to do.   Before I = buy BOME,=20 I need to be confident that I can actually pull this off.
 
Kris
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_093C_01CCD7E3.13095AF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 09:38:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 147C7183462; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=4cyJ4qlXWDAgt3AoNlkiSNdlOiDOAS3rkMo43lgtnpo=; b=NG399us0Xt87NWS+bg/PPdeGxCfFiryL5jAidv9jKHU4a8LlehY3KzEy8UcgMbMGO1 qs0Uf011ck7cgKDLsgI5m7RazG/hRrPcYDVWEBBL+AaT23B/u5Fwdr8u31trRqkoNF3C 0BhmJcC27Or7wdGnDLvGj3g8CoKIlYHRhb5fA= Message-ID: <73B407799823471BB27E51050FF9A5BD@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Re: Reconfiguring the AKAI APC40 with BOME MIDI Translator for use with Ableton Live Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:38:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0944_01CCD7E5.BC4F2D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:38:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0944_01CCD7E5.BC4F2D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, that was easy. http://www.nativekontrol.com/apC_Series.html Amazing. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD4YIGfhbCtw (see 1:37 onward) Okay, has anyone done this? This blows my mind. I MUST figure this = out. I love my APC40 so far, but being able to change the default = functionality and reconfigure the 40 pads to do something totally = different than launching clips in Ableston Live (like activating synths) = is exactly what I need to do. Before I buy BOME, I need to be = confident that I can actually pull this off. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0944_01CCD7E5.BC4F2D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, that was easy.
http://www.nativeko= ntrol.com/apC_Series.html
Amazing. 
 
----- Original Message -----
 

http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DD4YIGfhbCtw (see=20 1:37 onward)
 
Okay, has anyone done this?  = This blows my=20 mind. I MUST figure this out.  I love my APC40 so far, but being = able to=20 change the default functionality and reconfigure the 40 pads to = do=20 something totally different than launching clips in Ableston Live = (like=20 activating synths) is exactly what I need to do.   Before I = buy=20 BOME, I need to be confident that I can actually pull this = off.
 
Kris
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0944_01CCD7E5.BC4F2D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 20:16:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0976C183460; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <31736743E01747979E6CAA0F3EFCB0EC@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com><8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Audio Tarot Bone Throw Live tonight Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:16:34 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CCD879.921D7BF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:16:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CCD879.921D7BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sitting in an English garden but not having to wait for the sun. Or the = ducks. Midnight London time, 7pm Eastern, 4pm Pacific. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw Stephen P Goodman EarthLight Productions ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CCD879.921D7BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sitting in an English garden but not having to wait for the = sun.  Or=20 the ducks.
 
Midnight London time, 7pm Eastern, 4pm Pacific.
 
http://www.= ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw
 
 
Stephen P Goodman
EarthLight Productions
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CCD879.921D7BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 04:56:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDE56183463; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 04:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F1B9708.8020506@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:56:40 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #772 for January 19, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 04:56:43 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120119.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #772 January 19, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8210 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Sankhara" on Internal Combustion Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#jan PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Dan Pound Cocoon Cocoon (Pound Sounds) ['ramp] infernal machines return (doombient) part one ['ramp] infernal machines return (doombient) part two 12 Followers/Mateo Ornamekias - A Espers (Lightfall) Xavier Slight Wave From the Hill Above Binar Dub Wiser The TruthSets Us Free (Bogus Focus) Modulator ESP Beyond the Sunset * Beyond the Sunset (none) cyberCHUMP Anticipation Sankhara (Internal Combustion) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== cyberCHUMP Lay Your Head Sankhara (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP First Transmission Sankhara (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Tremor Sankhara (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP On the Ice Sankhara (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Waking in the Sankhara (Internal Combustion) Dreamtime cyberCHUMP Fragile Sankhara (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Contemplation Sankhara (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP The Long Goodbye Sankhara (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Abstract Earth Sankhara (Internal Combustion) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Our Wizards of Earth" on Internal Combustion Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 05:34:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7E318345E; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 05:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F1B9194.7060204@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:33:24 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for January 21, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 05:34:47 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2012/120121.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #216 January 21, 2012. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Richard Barbieri Breaking the T'AI (Auditorium Edizioni) Silence/Light Years VA [Andy Pickford Derby Guildhall Sequences No. 17 and Dave Barker) 6-15-96 ['ramp] return return (doombient) ['ramp] radiocarbonpart one return (doombient) ['ramp] beacon return (doombient) ['ramp] radiocarbonpart two return (doombient) Phase II/Eclectic: (pre-empted by phases 1 and 3) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Renaissance Day of the Dreamer Day of the Dreamer (Mooncrest) Ozric Tentacles Paper Monkeys Paper Monkeys (Madfish) Marillion Goodbye To All That/ Brave (I.R.S.) Wave/The Opium Den/The Slide/Standing in the Swing Marillion Hard As Love Brave (I.R.S.) Nine Stones Close Thicker Than Water Traces (Progrock) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 17:13:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56EA2183460; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=ScH4KQiMuxOsp7Rot8Q/i7bhNMzixYqc4q7q3s431KY=; b=mkVu/nm9L+71sGUdHooPB4DeNqUk75wAsWxs4JsAFBkvL2bbQKyJTHBv75l5mkwYCd DCIsnux8+vXfy2ZisQLWajhat2YepqOsSAxnr3I52opfTmmzxQvLL/uiyQNLmIPhGZpe nXXEwzpbTpSL08jfAkxWnCDHk+k4dy9NdnCas= From: Todd Matthews Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_20E05FFE-AE28-47FA-9B8B-72E8425EB146" Subject: Redo of Double Bass Looping Cover of No Surprises Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:13:48 -0500 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: <0h0IhD.A.Q0E.MPEHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:13:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_20E05FFE-AE28-47FA-9B8B-72E8425EB146 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I redid my looping cover of Radiohead's No Surprises with a little more = focus on the video side of things now that I've been learning Final = Cut:) My first go at it. It was nice to pull the soft step out of the = closet so I could use a nice mic to loop with versus the instrument = pickup. Didn't have to worry about clicking buttons but now I notice how = creaky my floor and endpin is :) oh well, It seems much more reliable = with the latest updates. http://vimeo.com/35459057 -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 --Apple-Mail=_20E05FFE-AE28-47FA-9B8B-72E8425EB146 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I redid my looping cover of Radiohead's No Surprises with a little more focus on the video side of things now that I've been learning Final Cut:) My first go at it. It was nice to pull the soft step out of the closet so I could use a nice mic to loop with versus the instrument pickup. Didn't have to worry about clicking buttons but now I notice how creaky my floor and endpin is :) oh well, It seems much more reliable with the latest updates.



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--Apple-Mail=_20E05FFE-AE28-47FA-9B8B-72E8425EB146-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 17:41:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CABD183460; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=Qm3i9aSxYI/Xx2dtd5ICZ63Btrd7dGhEOGJZsr5u8V0=; b=xZ6jkMRqK+s1IFZb1MPXFIGPcNblN6HnMNHBwVmE0RsYuL/9fwjWjQUEPvMOR2uDLM GhYxfOJU895Pkgk7QASbnwdjBD8Gj7hU5Uopxt++ivKgtADk3CHGzJ6qaC5NRy9M+UI5 0TuluzPvTwaBxmP/7g6FOBnekUmXOK4Rq/Mw4= Message-ID: <856D1921F2614AC097A4AA487802A731@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:41:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0401_01CCD8F2.6DB2EE70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:41:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0401_01CCD8F2.6DB2EE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I often hear this effect in dance music where the put some sort of = filter or phasing on the entire mix and it rises slowing...sounds almost = like an evolving high pass filter or maybe a phasor. Anyone know how to = do this? It usually builds up over a duration of 8-16 measure and then = drops out immediately on the down beat. I don't have a sound clip on hand, but it is a VERY common device used = in dance music in discos and dance clubs. ------=_NextPart_000_0401_01CCD8F2.6DB2EE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I often hear this effect in dance music = where the=20 put some sort of filter or phasing on the entire mix and it rises=20 slowing...sounds almost like an evolving high pass filter or maybe a=20 phasor.  Anyone know how to do this?   It usually builds = up over=20 a duration of 8-16 measure and then drops out immediately on the down=20 beat.
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------=_NextPart_000_0401_01CCD8F2.6DB2EE70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 17:59:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32FF183460; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=QTysKmrw/UKHJfRlGgFkM766kxl0hLioNOHZr8m8th0=; b=V3U+4/5PZ392BGZb7xt6LFK3JMcG4NSrz0IKGmT76gprgEHbICBesV2WNHta5RA7Cx 3BSoV9mdwJOdznQYZti1hoXGzRLZtEuqmfiYfuagm+5Fi4Z8DF4pZ0SBt8Nje3r3xAUA FyXuv/C0XZnbiekG5eJ7yKD7shELymnzI/wiA= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <856D1921F2614AC097A4AA487802A731@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:59:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Doing this live. So just use a low pass (meaning only low frequencies are allowed through?) and then assign a nob to control the sweep...or I guess I could automate this in syc with BPM. ----- Original Message ----- yeah, it's just a low pass filter, with the sweep and bypass automated. are you trying to reproduce this live, or in a recording? sim On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I often hear this effect in dance music where the put some sort of filter > or > phasing on the entire mix and it rises slowing...sounds almost like an > evolving high pass filter or maybe a phasor. Anyone know how to do this? > It usually builds up over a duration of 8-16 measure and then drops out > immediately on the down beat. > I don't have a sound clip on hand, but it is a VERY common device used in > dance music in discos and dance clubs. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 18:45:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D40B183460; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=sJId9FTTsitCJbpXc4b38Aa/ktQM+gNF/kd+XWnA8LM=; b=azIGwoYi/WNLvtFUmpe7eZQIKFvsAs5fpQ8LIcuDKsW9bPuks2lhswicG1DGHPLRMs DRjP8A11KgcvLOBmLDS1N4eQMEvqntwQk4smpetyyR93fn4J3CKrKi6LOZavqHGdO+/Y G0MHsggHAeuHyq+mAb5B/DrPesQCdDQAHqCfI= Message-ID: <67EB729734FB4A089DF69B2B657883A5@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <856D1921F2614AC097A4AA487802A731@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:45:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:45:15 +0000 (UTC) That and the incessant synth chords on every single upbeat. Everytime I hear that, I keep thinking those dance composers completely ripped off the quintessential ska sound. :) Thanks for the vid, man. Kris ----- Original Message ----- yeah, exactly probably a tutorial on youtube somewhere - it's a very popular effect, as you say... umm...maybe this one? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kVxFkXGUz8 On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Doing this live. So just use a low pass (meaning only low frequencies are > allowed through?) and then assign a nob to control the sweep...or I guess > I > could automate this in syc with BPM. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > yeah, it's just a low pass filter, with the sweep and bypass > automated. are you trying to reproduce this live, or in a recording? > > sim > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: >> >> I often hear this effect in dance music where the put some sort of filter >> or >> phasing on the entire mix and it rises slowing...sounds almost like an >> evolving high pass filter or maybe a phasor. Anyone know how to do this? >> It usually builds up over a duration of 8-16 measure and then drops out >> immediately on the down beat. >> I don't have a sound clip on hand, but it is a VERY common device used in >> dance music in discos and dance clubs. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 04:41:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60DAB183461; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:40:08 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: OT: Programmable digital picture frames for installation use Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, A couple of months ago, I got interested in using digital picture frames to show my still images in gallery settings. I bought a Nix 15 inch screen - looks great but very hard to program, because it plays the images in date order instead of the more sensible alphabetic order. It also is limited in that it can change images every 3, 5, or 15 seconds, but nothing in-between. I've been trying to research this on-line. All of the frames that I can find documentation on either don't tell me or tell me the image change choices are 3, 5 ,15. If any of you have worked with a digital frame of any size and found it possible to easily sequence a slide show with flexible change rate, please let me know. Thanks -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com "My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route to get there" -- Henri Matisse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 04:50:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A591183452; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rFm0g+O8N/e+UV5Cdb6ULW7T4y8dk893e/S69zNCQX0=; b=PjsgnG755AclY31MEojQi76ANz2Jfcq6XwVWhInpxHwW4A8uUcx/Il7gGMWD/FGvjL hAcLlPUI1Poh8ZCE3m4ftaP5Z1Bg3pWs2D7mqYaenx/ILJFPUCjNJU/JorAYh2n5uTAr Wc+WRlgIdVOLN+kNK/5pNsCwZCWW/aQvWusN0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:50:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Programmable digital picture frames for installation use From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e872ed6ca6904b72ac51b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:50:43 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e872ed6ca6904b72ac51b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 im interested in this as well. I think it would be an interesting means of displaying drip paintings and other abstract works! On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) < emile@foryourhead.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > A couple of months ago, I got interested in using digital picture frames > to show my still images in gallery settings. I bought a Nix 15 inch screen > - looks great but very hard to program, because it plays the images in date > order instead of the more sensible alphabetic order. It also is limited in > that it can change images every 3, 5, or 15 seconds, but nothing in-between. > > I've been trying to research this on-line. All of the frames that I can > find documentation on either don't tell me or tell me the image change > choices are 3, 5 ,15. > > If any of you have worked with a digital frame of any size and found it > possible to easily sequence a slide show with flexible change rate, please > let me know. > > Thanks > -- > My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/** > 22231918@N06/collections/**72157603627170351/ > > My videos can be viewed at > http://www.youtube.com/**Tobenfeld > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > "My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route to > get there" -- Henri Matisse > > -- If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) --90e6ba6e872ed6ca6904b72ac51b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable im interested in this as well. I think it would be an interesting means of = displaying drip paintings and other abstract works!

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) = <emile@foryou= rhead.com> wrote:
Hi folks,

A couple of months ago, I got interested in using digital picture frames to= show my still images in gallery settings. I bought a Nix 15 inch screen - = looks great but very hard to program, because it plays the images in date o= rder instead of the more sensible alphabetic order. It also is limited in t= hat it can change images every 3, 5, or 15 seconds, but nothing in-between.=

I've been trying to research this on-line. All of the frames that I can= find documentation on either don't tell me or tell me the image change= choices are 3, 5 ,15.

If any of you have worked with a digital frame of any size and found it pos= sible to easily sequence a slide show with flexible change rate, please let= me know.

Thanks
--
My photography can be viewed at http://www.flic= kr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/=

My videos can be viewed at
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Image Processing Speciali= st
Video for your HEAD! =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Boris FX
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"My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route t= o get there" =A0-- Henri Matisse




-- If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsi= bility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to o= ccur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degr= ee which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as m= y time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the co= ndition that you respect mine.

Best wishes, Billy

(I respectfully = ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes=A0the ap= pearance of authenticity and=A0compromises the honorable intentions from wh= ich this signature was created.)

--90e6ba6e872ed6ca6904b72ac51b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 09:27:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB55518345D; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1327310858; bh=snxXIqKtmhGCm5+c8IGzL8OP+t1nCc9bDM2tkxmFQCM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=5LzAZBeCB2o26JW7wUA0OIlhxbe2gA8GfOlKDySm1iT+WV4krotG2ntJbVWajAMKSqcY5wvP2kUvY22aXE6x+udTQcZLAgRSHx0LSdYOYLABgYXR4Xxr/Q+yjPPTiTzRaQr1onVvbJhhHVtoDvAbOdRnKAnK31aszAIrojQt1wI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 716823.80308.bm@smtp126.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZSlkSW8VM1nj8NmUoy0PThnSOdBVQNSMq51sfuA654Ay1QK S3TAQfV0aPObMoWK57t619i0iqt6q6yMdIo_09W.FV4JDzyXjPF.Q1oLwVho mDe.MgFDjY17HNaNP11BVEe84VjqTqJMPGG55Ko8KrMKHsKeP13uaEDtvyWM SfN4mrYl_4M_.qi7I6XjCvV_u9I8El.oOB8_wlOEpzQbyCR3TacgT2U7bnHt 2kVi.bvguUbom4IbRWRBct.Vp6_BoXyzu.FotCEVl5VOVF8fXbnOpllzu5XG QbY0TG46LpKXtpPeF0d7kiBPpHRxxzbCLEjw0TC1i41UW5uGOBEDP8Lyvy2F V8WpAVoqyF3YuOamcsJsbXIy1pBegR21V9zqsn28SABlD61IQ1sVmqzBN32Y IlfaSujgY.sT5u6fZzctbLdx83c.JFwLiE429epwRSERcfnPPedlAkolnEjy b0mBJrEFytOoUvAF83jDp8lYRs9R8EFGUNuWA1SMlHBMiw69oASy_gVANuE5 _18O8X2.UXhzrcMB9HL6GvGj0xc3NXegQegfgEqbvE2JL1.7gJhNBTXLsWQL 0D1OCoTR0.QLHNrEwhhHTACqotKZd2DlrLT5q3tH16K11tL8oAgQMFTGVaEa T X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:27:38 +0100 Subject: Re: OT: Programmable digital picture frames for installation use In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20120123102738.779CD800.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Hin Have you investigated using another approach: using a "normal" screen and a small multimedia player hidden behind? You would be able to display photos but also small prepared animations (with the time transition you need) and even, perhaps synch several frames together if you replace the multimedia player by something more powerfull in the future. Just my 2c. Ben -------------------------------------------------- william middlemiss wrote: (23/01/2012 05:50) > im interested in this as well. I think it would be an interesting means of > displaying drip paintings and other abstract works! > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) < > emile@foryourhead.com> wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > A couple of months ago, I got interested in using digital picture frames > > to show my still images in gallery settings. I bought a Nix 15 inch screen > > - looks great but very hard to program, because it plays the images in date > > order instead of the more sensible alphabetic order. It also is limited in > > that it can change images every 3, 5, or 15 seconds, but nothing in-between. > > > > I've been trying to research this on-line. All of the frames that I can > > find documentation on either don't tell me or tell me the image change > > choices are 3, 5 ,15. > > > > If any of you have worked with a digital frame of any size and found it > > possible to easily sequence a slide show with flexible change rate, please > > let me know. > > > > Thanks > > -- > > My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/** > > 22231918@N06/collections/**72157603627170351/ > > > > My videos can be viewed at > > http://www.youtube.com/**Tobenfeld > > > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > > > "My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route to > > get there" -- Henri Matisse > > > > > > > -- > If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a > responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual > understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention > to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage > of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect > your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. > > Best wishes, Billy > > (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy > diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable > intentions from which this signature was created.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 09:48:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FA6E18345D; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 721445147/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.7/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.7 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAD4sHU9V0rEH/2dsb2JhbAAMNrEdAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd4uBiJCoMcBJpcjQs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,555,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="721445147" Message-ID: <4F1D2CDC.5040707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:48:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Programmable digital picture frames for installation use References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > it plays the > images in date order Possibly there's a program available to edit the date on the file. Or use "save as" to create newly dated files in the right order, assuming that files of same date are displayed in time order. ( + altering your system date before saving would allow some flexibility) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 11:03:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ED24183460; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=q16B9TqMGPHAc8iKoBIeqbvDhJwdNP9YJMXyJuwVMY0=; b=GrI1jeSoQHpLV+P56/7BHYIvPV+Q4eDDEhDW+4LLqvTiQVfc1ABPqP9ZEWgMQvCVSH LEKOOcdPNkBpExAsIiCf9oOZc8ORtzqjRnZMlCMp3Hs368OKr7mmosOib1eeJdnaXAXa b5rikin9byUS+ISopao68fWob+n7aLZCV4Vvc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:03:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934068b81ec0d04b72ff98f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:03:05 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934068b81ec0d04b72ff98f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This shows exactly the reason why I chose to give my music away for free 6 years ago. This way I can keep my sentences short and not mess money with my music. My misguided trip that was 2 years long to the world of copyrighted music was mistake, and I regret it. From this day on, all my compositions belong to the world, my CC licenses today deny only the commercial distribution, but this license tempts me the most http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ It is commonly known fact in the world of electronic music, that if the "big" producers want your work to be used under their projects, they take it, they pay the lawyers afterwards. Dont know if these things are true; http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm but there are many cases in the world of music in which "if your product is good, we take it and pay you afterwards, maybe not"-attitude is shown. --14dae934068b81ec0d04b72ff98f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This shows exactly the reason why I chose to give my music away for free 6 = years ago.
This way I can keep my sentences short and not mess money wit= h my music.
My misguided trip that was 2 years long to the world of copy= righted music was mistake,
and I regret it. From this day on, all my compositions belong to the world,=
my CC licenses today deny only the commercial distribution, but this li= cense
tempts me the most http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

It is commonly known fact in the world of electronic music,
that if = the "big" producers want your work to be used under their project= s,
they take it, they pay the lawyers afterwards.

Dont know if th= ese things are true;
http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.ht= m

but there are many cases in the world of music in which "= if your product is good, we take it and pay you afterwards, maybe not"= -attitude is shown.



--14dae934068b81ec0d04b72ff98f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 14:08:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 898CF183463; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c803c4fc-0b71-4642-9fd2-52ece0903f32_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Copyrighting Improvised Music > stealing or being inspired.. Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:08:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com>,,<8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com>,,,,,,,,,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2012 14:08:43.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[8405D5C0:01CCD9D8] Resent-Message-ID: <6xvVGD.A.LYH.tnWHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:08:45 +0000 (UTC) --_c803c4fc-0b71-4642-9fd2-52ece0903f32_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really like that Madonna link.. for me it seems like Madonna is an expert= at finding the right inspiration=2C taking=2C slightly changing it and mak= ing something bigger from it. Is that not what we all do?? we hear a cool l= ick or looping technique and "steal" it and use it in our own music..Copyri= ght is sort of strange.. if a steal a part of a Scofield solo and record it= over the same changes with a backing that tries to copy the orginal and a = guitar tone that tries to copy Scofield it is OK. BUT if i sample those=2C = say 5 seconds=2C and use them in completely different context it is not leg= al.Remix should be as legal as stealing a part of a melody and re-recording= it.. in sweden this is now a official religion http://kopimistsamfundet.or= g/Copy and paste is holy.. remix is even holier.. kind of .. interesting at= least..=20 So it is my religious right to remix... (and by using CC license we allow r= emixing.. .) Anders Date: Mon=2C 23 Jan 2012 13:03:04 +0200 Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com This shows exactly the reason why I chose to give my music away for free 6 = years ago. This way I can keep my sentences short and not mess money with my music. My misguided trip that was 2 years long to the world of copyrighted music w= as mistake=2C and I regret it. From this day on=2C all my compositions belong to the worl= d=2C my CC licenses today deny only the commercial distribution=2C but this lice= nse tempts me the most http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ It is commonly known fact in the world of electronic music=2C that if the "big" producers want your work to be used under their projects= =2C they take it=2C they pay the lawyers afterwards. Dont know if these things are true=3B http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm but there are many cases in the world of music in which "if your product is= good=2C we take it and pay you afterwards=2C maybe not"-attitude is shown. = --_c803c4fc-0b71-4642-9fd2-52ece0903f32_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = --Apple-Mail-3--979047786-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:25:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67020183478; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=pv69qO0tAAAA:20 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=ufhFUt5WAAAA:20 a=crfd89qURRiHEPt70ugA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=sCaCQuq599msRSsFnAwA:9 a=dxqvrfviY2Rl9Z14CxsA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=4Ok8VmwUHu0z1weVZiIuNw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9CD574CC-7745-49B1-9471-38E3B7DF1538 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> Message-Id: <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:25:02 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:25:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9CD574CC-7745-49B1-9471-38E3B7DF1538 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and bass. C= an an eBow be used on either of those? What about a dulcimer? Chaz Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier wrote: >=20 > On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, wrote: >=20 >> Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? >=20 >=20 > No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery loaded. > What brand of battery were you using? > Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather than= battery vapors? >=20 > BobC >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 > http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego --Apple-Mail-9CD574CC-7745-49B1-9471-38E3B7DF1538 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I do not play guitar (well= , some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and bass. Can an eBow be used on eith= er of those?  What about a dulcimer?

Chaz
<= br>Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier= <skeptikalist@gmail.com>= ; wrote:


On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:

Anyone else h= ave this happen? Off gassing from the battery?

=
No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery l= oaded.
What brand of battery were you using?
Could it ha= ve been heat from being on continuously for so long rather than battery vapo= rs?

BobC


http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j<= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-= left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-heigh= t: 13px; ">http://www.youtube= .com/user/tynego
= --Apple-Mail-9CD574CC-7745-49B1-9471-38E3B7DF1538-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:56:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF788183475; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <1fbe834e.1acc00.1350d494657.Webtop.49@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <1fbe834e.1acc00.1350d494657.Webtop.49@charter.net> Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:56:18 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:56:17 +0000 (UTC) I haven't had that happen either, had mine since 1991... the only thing I've ever needed to do to it is replace the battery terminals. Sounds like battery seepage. -----Original Message----- From: tEd ‚Â kiLLiAn Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT Ebow casing degradation Mike, Gosh, that's a new one on me, and I've owned 3 (bought the first one in 1980 direct from the manufacturer). Never had anything of the sort happen to any of them. If you find out let us know. Ted On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:02 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > I haven't used my ebow for a while and broke it out today to find the glue > line partially dissolved, the casing coming apart and a weird, black > greasy > goo on the seam. Anyone else have this? It still had the battery inside. > Swapped it out and it works, it just mucked up my hands. I'll need to do > some epoxying as well. I believe the switch got bumped to the "on" > position > in storage. > > Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? > > > ~Peace~ > > Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:57:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0C06183478; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Poll: Gordius Users Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:57:20 -0800 Message-Id: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:57:23 +0000 (UTC) LG or BLG? For BLG is extra real estate worth the gain of a couple of buttons? Is LG sufficiently well-formed that users feel no pull towards the BLG? Thoughts? Phil :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 02:16:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF17A183474; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=s7QahkxTnVdDu1tOIF8xWy0T3nSTeV8CMU/KAs1MZMo=; b=R/7KHwVPyip7uATYUwocTqXN2CfrkLJVkrJsCNHSochBv5NLS95eRRKkKpIJFeP35F x1pqDXnHD81z/CjwD31tRLFI/4E7DFGTGdppkb1dWkk1E2Vyb6pQhTah6A2fjvNCGign dJWitCV0gC6LrydnOYXdJM3hnfPFkA2I6CKTc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:16:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e872e073a2d04b73cbb4e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:16:11 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e872e073a2d04b73cbb4e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm wrote: > I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and bass. > Can an eBow be used on either of those? What about a dulcimer? > > Chaz > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > > On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, < > mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote: > > Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? > > > > No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery loaded. > What brand of battery were you using? > Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather than > battery vapors? > > BobC > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 > http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego > > -- If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) --90e6ba6e872e073a2d04b73cbb4e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before.=A0

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormand= fire.com> wrote:
I do not play = guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and bass. Can an eBow be= used on either of those? =A0What about a dulcimer?

Chaz

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> w= rote:


On Jan 23= , 2012, at 5:02 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery?

No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use wit= h battery loaded.
What brand of battery were you using?
Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather than= battery vapors?

BobC



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Best wishes, Billy

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--90e6ba6e872e073a2d04b73cbb4e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 02:53:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85F09183464; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=pv69qO0tAAAA:20 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=ufhFUt5WAAAA:20 a=zxj5Ps578mKXDerEsBIA:9 a=o9XIej7iDhWqYQ1M2rkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:53:27 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Well, the metal has to have some iron/steel content to it too . . . so = not just any metal. For instance, the bronze wrapped lower strings of an otherwise nylon = stringed guitar are not suitable for Ebow. And the instrument ought to be amplified somehow (the Ebow is too quiet = for general acoustic use). The first guitar I ever used on on was an acoustic 12-string (Yamaha = FG360) with a Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup played through a tiny = PigNose amp. I remember putting that amp and a mic in a closed cardboard box with a = mic -- it sounded waaaaay huge. The ebow will work quite successfull yon a lot of steel-stringed, = amplified instruments. It'll even work pretty well on bass, but begins to have trouble moving = the massive lower strings. On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:16 PM, william middlemiss wrote: > anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before.=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm = wrote: > I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and = bass. Can an eBow be used on either of those? What about a dulcimer? >=20 > Chaz >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, = wrote: >>=20 >>> Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? >>=20 >>=20 >> No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery = loaded. >> What brand of battery were you using? >> Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather = than battery vapors? >>=20 >> BobC >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j >> http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 >> http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a = responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual = understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my = attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to = take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. = I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. >=20 > Best wishes, Billy >=20 > (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every = copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the = honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 02:58:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22E0B183479; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5iPw9kLD7vigAbyY6bat+l1JUx5zTqTQQOatvB10QYE=; b=q+K0vGPCA36YY5CfsWkgAn/k3i00F4CpXfz2AxCJeBxqNWy3pGmF8HsIgi5V6+T4pJ 7UfRDvs8L38SWm1OrSYy1MvFmGv+CPbziKCQ8eqUsjB1O2sLiu0HC4qW0HJp0r1HXZEa GwV6Da6PZjzc4bwXcLH+hliAR4VkXDe4k/eGQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation From: Willie Burke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c7f0c32d14b04b73d519d Resent-Message-ID: <1zQHiB.A.sBC.C5hHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:58:10 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c7f0c32d14b04b73d519d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Willie, Webinars all day long! You gotta see this to get the HUGE LEVERAGE! http://networkmarketingvt.com/?id=Premier2 http://networkmarketingvt.com/presentation/webinar-register.php?id=premier2 Have an excellent day! Willie R Burke (your inviter) wcpnd68@gmail.com 732-713-6768 --f46d043c7f0c32d14b04b73d519d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Willie,

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--f46d043c7f0c32d14b04b73d519d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 03:00:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9E99183477; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zECFu69nbwk7eJ/m6jMRhXJOgHIEU35okF8wjZKOf+I= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=pv69qO0tAAAA:20 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=ufhFUt5WAAAA:20 a=F8TWIdX8iflfMYhNF-sA:9 a=yfgyhj86lC428Jb3svgA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=43ZL8IQo328krM8H_7AA:9 a=rShWm6uCRIXuog37r4AA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.205.208 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--973001543 Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:00:32 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:00:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--973001543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I love Ebow on banjo and resonator guitars. It really howls on my Ron = Phillips little parlor resonator with a pickup (steel strings). = Tremendous overtones and otherworldly stuff I DON'T get off the Strat = etc.=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > Well, the metal has to have some iron/steel content to it too . . . so = not just any metal. >=20 > For instance, the bronze wrapped lower strings of an otherwise nylon = stringed guitar are not suitable for Ebow. >=20 > And the instrument ought to be amplified somehow (the Ebow is too = quiet for general acoustic use). >=20 > The first guitar I ever used on on was an acoustic 12-string (Yamaha = FG360) with a Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup played through a tiny = PigNose amp. >=20 > I remember putting that amp and a mic in a closed cardboard box with a = mic -- it sounded waaaaay huge. >=20 > The ebow will work quite successfull yon a lot of steel-stringed, = amplified instruments. >=20 > It'll even work pretty well on bass, but begins to have trouble moving = the massive lower strings. >=20 >=20 > On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:16 PM, william middlemiss wrote: >=20 >> anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before.=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm = wrote: >> I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and = bass. Can an eBow be used on either of those? What about a dulcimer? >>=20 >> Chaz >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier = wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery = loaded. >>> What brand of battery were you using? >>> Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long = rather than battery vapors? >>>=20 >>> BobC >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j >>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a = responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual = understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my = attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to = take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. = I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. >>=20 >> Best wishes, Billy >>=20 >> (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every = copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the = honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-2--973001543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = love Ebow on banjo and resonator guitars.  It really howls on my = Ron Phillips little parlor resonator with a pickup (steel strings). =  Tremendous overtones and otherworldly stuff I DON'T get off the = Strat etc. 

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Ted Killian wrote:

Well, = the metal has to have some iron/steel content to it too . . . so not = just any metal.

For instance, the bronze wrapped lower strings of = an otherwise nylon stringed guitar are not suitable for Ebow.

And = the instrument ought to be amplified somehow (the Ebow is too quiet for = general acoustic use).

The first guitar I ever used on on was an = acoustic 12-string (Yamaha FG360) with a Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup = played through a tiny PigNose amp.

I remember putting that amp = and a mic in a closed cardboard box with a mic -- it sounded waaaaay = huge.

The ebow will work quite successfull yon a lot of = steel-stringed, amplified instruments.

It'll even work pretty = well on bass, but begins to have trouble moving the massive lower = strings.


On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:16 PM, william middlemiss = wrote:

anything with metal strings. Ive = used one on a piano before.

On Mon, Jan 23, = 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>= ; wrote:
I do not play guitar = (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and bass. Can an eBow be = used on either of those?  What about a = dulcimer?

Chaz

Sent from my = iPhone

On Jan 23, = 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> = wrote:


On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, = <mike@michaelplishka.com> = <mike@michaelplishka.com> = wrote:

Anyone = else have this happen? Off gassing from the = battery?


No, had mine for years thru = longs periods of non-use with battery = loaded.
What brand of battery were you = using?
Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so = long rather than battery = vapors?

BobC



http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j
http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6
http://www.youtube.com/user/ty= nego



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Best wishes, = Billy

(I respectfully = ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the = appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from = which this signature was created.)



= --Apple-Mail-2--973001543-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 03:07:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897D9183479; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EjYQgs0EJrtDtycbAFpbbodZRpJ1hRPkf0dVl3DoxRk=; b=VlgNJir0LmERhA/cv+aq0gaGrgDpx1CWhQyjaBVI9Mdcsw3+A7rqqddOQipRrBRCLf OEw8kQ62MvJ4ux9xgwQmyr28GeSpti9QKAoMvQADVp7SRItk8EE3utsEI/5tytQgwP4L o6LCkNRQiQ4JMkoaXEH5XEV/X/wjZkaD0wB7M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:07:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399c1fc4ab3804b73d728e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:07:34 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9399c1fc4ab3804b73d728e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, Chaz, heed Ted's clarification!...The ebow will work on any ferrous stringed instrument. Ted, the cardboard box thing is fantastic. That should be a standard technique taught in recording schools! On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > Well, the metal has to have some iron/steel content to it too . . . so not > just any metal. > > For instance, the bronze wrapped lower strings of an otherwise nylon > stringed guitar are not suitable for Ebow. > > And the instrument ought to be amplified somehow (the Ebow is too quiet > for general acoustic use). > > The first guitar I ever used on on was an acoustic 12-string (Yamaha > FG360) with a Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup played through a tiny PigNose > amp. > > I remember putting that amp and a mic in a closed cardboard box with a mic > -- it sounded waaaaay huge. > > The ebow will work quite successfull yon a lot of steel-stringed, > amplified instruments. > > It'll even work pretty well on bass, but begins to have trouble moving the > massive lower strings. > > > On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:16 PM, william middlemiss wrote: > > > anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before. > > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm > wrote: > > I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and > bass. Can an eBow be used on either of those? What about a dulcimer? > > > > Chaz > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, < > mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? > >> > >> > >> No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery > loaded. > >> What brand of battery were you using? > >> Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather > than battery vapors? > >> > >> BobC > >> > >> > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > >> http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 > >> http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego > > > > > > > > -- > > If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a > responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual > understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention > to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage > of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect > your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. > > > > Best wishes, Billy > > > > (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy > diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable > intentions from which this signature was created.) > > > > -- If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) --14dae9399c1fc4ab3804b73d728e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Chaz, heed Ted's clarification!...The ebow will work on any ferrou= s stringed instrument.=A0

Ted, the cardboard box thing i= s fantastic. That should be a standard technique taught in recording school= s!

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Ted Killian= <tedkillian= @charter.net> wrote:
Well, the metal has to have some iron/steel content to it too . . . so not = just any metal.

For instance, the bronze wrapped lower strings of an otherwise nylon string= ed guitar are not suitable for Ebow.

And the instrument ought to be amplified somehow (the Ebow is too quiet for= general acoustic use).

The first guitar I ever used on on was an acoustic 12-string (Yamaha FG360)= with a Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup played through a tiny PigNose amp.
I remember putting that amp and a mic in a closed cardboard box with a mic = -- it sounded waaaaay huge.

The ebow will work quite successfull yon a lot of steel-stringed, amplified= instruments.

It'll even work pretty well on bass, but begins to have trouble moving = the massive lower strings.


On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:16 PM, william middlemiss wrote:

> anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com> wrote:
> I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and b= ass. Can an eBow be used on either of those? =A0What about a dulcimer?
>
> Chaz
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? >>
>>
>> No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery = loaded.
>> What brand of battery were you using?
>> Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rat= her than battery vapors?
>>
>> BobC
>>
>>
>>
>> http://tin= yurl.com/yt8f8j
>> http= ://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6
>> h= ttp://www.youtube.com/user/tynego
>
>
>
> --
> If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a respo= nsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding t= o occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest d= egree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention a= s my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the= condition that you respect mine.
>
> Best wishes, Billy
>
> (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every cop= y diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable i= ntentions from which this signature was created.)
>




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Best wishes, Billy

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--14dae9399c1fc4ab3804b73d728e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 03:11:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F4CD183478; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=pv69qO0tAAAA:20 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=ufhFUt5WAAAA:20 a=F8TWIdX8iflfMYhNF-sA:9 a=8t6V3L8gD2qLyLFPGM4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=4Ok8VmwUHu0z1weVZiIuNw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <32F97F45-F97F-41FE-B28F-62C95DC9CAF8@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:11:45 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <3-HAHB.A.0cC.1FiHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:11:49 +0000 (UTC) That's what I wanted to hear. I'm getting me one now. Thanx.=20 Chaz Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > Well, the metal has to have some iron/steel content to it too . . . so not= just any metal. >=20 > For instance, the bronze wrapped lower strings of an otherwise nylon strin= ged guitar are not suitable for Ebow. >=20 > And the instrument ought to be amplified somehow (the Ebow is too quiet fo= r general acoustic use). >=20 > The first guitar I ever used on on was an acoustic 12-string (Yamaha FG360= ) with a Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup played through a tiny PigNose amp. >=20 > I remember putting that amp and a mic in a closed cardboard box with a mic= -- it sounded waaaaay huge. >=20 > The ebow will work quite successfull yon a lot of steel-stringed, amplifie= d instruments. >=20 > It'll even work pretty well on bass, but begins to have trouble moving the= massive lower strings. >=20 >=20 > On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:16 PM, william middlemiss wrote: >=20 >> anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before.=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm wr= ote: >> I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and bass= . Can an eBow be used on either of those? What about a dulcimer? >>=20 >> Chaz >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery loaded= . >>> What brand of battery were you using? >>> Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather th= an battery vapors? >>>=20 >>> BobC >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j >>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsi= bility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to oc= cur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree= which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my t= ime may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condit= ion that you respect mine. >>=20 >> Best wishes, Billy >>=20 >> (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy d= iminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable inten= tions from which this signature was created.) >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 03:17:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1C91183486; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=pv69qO0tAAAA:20 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=ufhFUt5WAAAA:20 a=YKCtuxyvl_SVFmbDnLEA:9 a=XrJUx4w8eVZXp3B8p90A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=mVcbOlJOnXxZfYwJbl0A:9 a=D_VE0p_4OatGwuCVHo0A:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=4Ok8VmwUHu0z1weVZiIuNw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-160BEBC4-CD80-4AD1-AFEB-7BBC1672EF47 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <433411F0-72E6-48C3-A703-F29C85EF3BE6@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:17:11 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:17:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-160BEBC4-CD80-4AD1-AFEB-7BBC1672EF47 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I electrify (via Dean Markley condensor mics) all my banjos and Dulcimers an= d 12 string. I'm always searching for something different which has led me t= o utilize my old nylon strung fretless minstrel banjo a lot of late.=20 Very interested in seeing what sounds I can get out of my dobro or dulcimer.= =20 Chaz Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2012, at 10:07 PM, william middlemiss = wrote: > Yes, Chaz, heed Ted's clarification!...The ebow will work on any ferrous s= tringed instrument.=20 >=20 > Ted, the cardboard box thing is fantastic. That should be a standard techn= ique taught in recording schools! >=20 > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Ted Killian wrot= e: > Well, the metal has to have some iron/steel content to it too . . . so not= just any metal. >=20 > For instance, the bronze wrapped lower strings of an otherwise nylon strin= ged guitar are not suitable for Ebow. >=20 > And the instrument ought to be amplified somehow (the Ebow is too quiet fo= r general acoustic use). >=20 > The first guitar I ever used on on was an acoustic 12-string (Yamaha FG360= ) with a Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup played through a tiny PigNose amp. >=20 > I remember putting that amp and a mic in a closed cardboard box with a mic= -- it sounded waaaaay huge. >=20 > The ebow will work quite successfull yon a lot of steel-stringed, amplifie= d instruments. >=20 > It'll even work pretty well on bass, but begins to have trouble moving the= massive lower strings. >=20 >=20 > On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:16 PM, william middlemiss wrote: >=20 > > anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before. > > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm w= rote: > > I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and bas= s. Can an eBow be used on either of those? What about a dulcimer? > > > > Chaz > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, wrote: > >> > >>> Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? > >> > >> > >> No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery loade= d. > >> What brand of battery were you using? > >> Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather t= han battery vapors? > >> > >> BobC > >> > >> > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > >> http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 > >> http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego > > > > > > > > -- > > If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a respons= ibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to o= ccur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degre= e which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my t= ime may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condit= ion that you respect mine. > > > > Best wishes, Billy > > > > (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy d= iminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable inten= tions from which this signature was created.) > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsib= ility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occ= ur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree w= hich is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my tim= e may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the conditio= n that you respect mine. >=20 > Best wishes, Billy >=20 > (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy di= minishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intent= ions from which this signature was created.) >=20 --Apple-Mail-160BEBC4-CD80-4AD1-AFEB-7BBC1672EF47 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I electrify (via Dean Markley condensor mics) all my banjos and Dulcimers and 12 string. I'm always searching for something different which has led me to utilize my old nylon strung fretless minstrel banjo a lot of late. 
Very interested in seeing what sounds I can get out of my dobro or dulcimer. 

Chaz

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 10:07 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, Chaz, heed Ted's clarification!...The ebow will work on any ferrous stringed instrument. 

Ted, the cardboard box thing is fantastic. That should be a standard technique taught in recording schools!

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Well, the metal has to have some iron/steel content to it too . . . so not just any metal.

For instance, the bronze wrapped lower strings of an otherwise nylon stringed guitar are not suitable for Ebow.

And the instrument ought to be amplified somehow (the Ebow is too quiet for general acoustic use).

The first guitar I ever used on on was an acoustic 12-string (Yamaha FG360) with a Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup played through a tiny PigNose amp.

I remember putting that amp and a mic in a closed cardboard box with a mic -- it sounded waaaaay huge.

The ebow will work quite successfull yon a lot of steel-stringed, amplified instruments.

It'll even work pretty well on bass, but begins to have trouble moving the massive lower strings.


On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:16 PM, william middlemiss wrote:

> anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com> wrote:
> I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and bass. Can an eBow be used on either of those?  What about a dulcimer?
>
> Chaz
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery?
>>
>>
>> No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery loaded.
>> What brand of battery were you using?
>> Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather than battery vapors?
>>
>> BobC
>>
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j
>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego
>
>
>
> --
> If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine.
>
> Best wishes, Billy
>
> (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.)
>




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Best wishes, Billy

(I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.)

--Apple-Mail-160BEBC4-CD80-4AD1-AFEB-7BBC1672EF47-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 04:22:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2F33183477; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 557987.42709.bm@omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1327378931; bh=K10uWSY6GkQe5f8XVNhvjilV1sE5W1Yu/AcHyH06oY8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p/BtfoqKgAngJQqA8B7+uA/EIUl+2eNg0/GZ+M7RS8qO4T1FbYmC86xR+ZhQ1/NAMQpX8aef+5+SMDkE17xE3ZDU6JhTKQMxbmpYBofY6lNmnl2zAWqe8IFv/I2ArApwOFTsUMpK0K4Lm76rtMnzkOMi/vKYGbNfUEP4aNOjOEg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h1BgR8fij9jsAbLMl84b670yf6dNJluxjwmYtw2hSXLqNFzo9qP0GLZdcA2Jt6IkPuIzC9AkfXI5u/22DCdBPT9IP1pOt/5UmvPojuACteHABQWLxDF+43uhqoPulppQ0oSeXuMpQHEuWRwYPkZIJsqLTS5KIff+F+csrgsDhxM=; X-YMail-OSG: aYEr.JUVM1nwnSW9BTmlte8OLkO.z8gerF9ZLm5PEKgGLa2 zQBIMhKBUavqPKdny0X7nonjq2Ae5kiOW5aIiR122gZ9GDpJXSoz.bWwi10B XAaJ.hUxaHxd8T9hWpGt3gft.0ShjVFBQ8ULgw5nx5.5rcirlbFBwB0Ox8MU qh_h_hSPHSZAUBplovjc.BzhGNqGVooRwBeEmyXFMzfJBPr6Q0ewJ5YOeKVo 1ibgObej522MFakjlFnYNyz_vai4XC7Tr6FimznSpDeCaAWGMNCsrU1butPC UvuZSMX6Gh4uHCYtBLCrPKwnhJHu4a8lVeeAImNJDtmRAZg.ShZYdec49_0L OeCrte17vQ24XH8FCc1b5Uln3iT_vIBVlywaMcONosTRZa.2xGEj2IQ.azTT XEYU5.Ka2OD9Q24XhGATo3Uka7VTOFsinUcE.IMz2cCaTkCUXPwGUaxlIXzY hPhXuZ0GPA.tJry0U2DfID1FpJAywRjUFgDvDCZU2ftQMylLWAHL7xabHxef cg2K_WlGphy6bD7DRY.qkCOrVdr_ZSeyD64JTDCOekQjHZY2iuCoH1xnAIkW Bhl3xqbYq0gxM2UIdDbkocc7rmEV8AQVR2TbrD87tJBTmG2N1q93w4aJm9Lo xUBtyEAzOMTWcAS4JTvKNSIWS7l8w43Zgz.zOkUo3LLA5qQR7DJ.xn2A5DpP UUMRnW_Kmae5NVh6RTA0NUFdtTVx42zG51NevEa4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> Message-ID: <1327378931.33033.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: tim echols Reply-To: tim echols Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-985778932-870495506-1327378931=:33033" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:22:27 +0000 (UTC) ---985778932-870495506-1327378931=:33033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable never had a problem with this situation, and i have stored my ebow with the= battery in it (well, various batteries) for 12-15 years.my favorite thing = to do with the ebow of late is to pick a string on my lap steel that i want= to ring, and sacrifice the two strings on either side. it is an 8 string, = so i still have 5 strings to play with. that is fun.=0A=A0=0A=A0=0Atime=0A= =A0=0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/tsunamidaily=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ---= --=0AFrom: "mike@michaelplishka.com" =0ATo: Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ACc: =0ASent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:02 = PM=0ASubject: OT Ebow casing degradation=0A=0AI haven't used my ebow for a = while and broke it out today to find the glue=0Aline partially dissolved, t= he casing coming apart and a weird, black greasy=0Agoo on the seam.=A0 Anyo= ne else have this? It still had the battery inside.=0ASwapped it out and it= works, it just mucked up my hands. I'll need to do=0Asome epoxying as well= . I believe the switch got bumped to the "on" position=0Ain storage.=0A=0AA= nyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery?=0A=0A=0A~Peace~= =0A=0AMike=0A=0A=0Awww.michaelplishka.com=0Awww.scribbledmusings.com ---985778932-870495506-1327378931=:33033 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CCDA88.F3DA7710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 11:35:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D4F6183478; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ae4QqQVOOzrBf2zvAubz4yi2xDMv9V+nknCyv407gG0=; b=DFNlrMswOby6sRb9wrxCc8hExutfSAQWWHlQQua7e4lXSZjs3u+2lrUqH3fv1K7ySu yAtOg/wu0Ny3AhHFscMu5sLFWPMy3LFx7Q480N2ghSCzunFP5UnFnaBS5rs/RvFrG3Ku Xc2CwkZqxyptdaYM2ZOPDEM+oMiMpfdIkyjIQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:35:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Great documentary, Sylvain! Really enjoyed watching it. Around the millennium shift I realized what was happening and wrote about it a lot in public, so for me this movie brought quite some nostalgia. In those days this "brave new world" was mostly ignored by mainstream media - until the Napster affair took off. To speak as a creator the sort of bottom line the last decade brings about is that at this point "the real thing" is not any more to produce and publish yourself but to have something to say. That's a refreshing thought! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Someone said: >>> worthy of documentation on youtube... > > That cracked me up... =C2=A0but it could give rise to a potentially > interesting new thread on what the demise of the editor (due to > increase ease of self-publication or self-diffusion more generally) > means for the quality of art. > Anyone can publish their shit... =C2=A0there is no gatekeeper. =C2=A0Whic= h is > awesome/awful. > > I recently watched this documentary that presented some views on this, > might be of interest to some of you: http://vimeo.com/34608191 > > Sylvain > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 11:40:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC51A183475; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 722088458/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.7/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.7 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAH2XHk9V0rEH/2dsb2JhbAAMNoUJrBsBAQEDASMVQAYLCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRkDAYd4pzuRTIEvh1sBBgMRBAMCAgUGHAIBAgGCTAICAQIFCQEJBA4DCYENggaBFgSaYI0L X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,561,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="722088458" Message-ID: <4F1E98C9.1000107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:40:57 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:38 PM, andy butler wrote: >> Chopan > > Thanks you for mentioning this interesting plugin, but you already > mentioned why it won't fit in for this special project :-) well, there's always more than one way to achieve a sound so I thought it might still be useful, but really I used the opportunity to ask some questions about your requirements ..just out of interest andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 11:50:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBF85183479; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qaNeEmPa3PKtvzXfPdXoAhvyuG4eylL8NDtXLFDcICI=; b=gPhXZzEJ7ZYvcmcircdS1PBYWvXDMceYQjcvFA7XJ77vNZ/UIN3WfpcQCAeVzX/Sdy vBCLDOhjI69qFfpHUXaAgY/98Qc6Gk4yKBXoKu81mbrR0MAf1EwxcfILAAbcUaO+Vf6l Htejw9plbX5YJBqvpV9oLXuwhKr7BGfVE+pE4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F1E98C9.1000107@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F1E98C9.1000107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:50:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:50:13 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:40 PM, andy butler wrote: > but really I used the opportunity to ask some questions about your > requirements > ..just out of interest You are welcome! I think I posted a thorough description twice. Nevertheless you may have some points I did not think about so feel free get back. Right now I'm doing tedious trial-and-error laboratory work to find out what plugins are disturbing Bidule's normal stability. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 11:51:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A63B6183477; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F1E9B3B.1010005@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:51:23 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Davignon CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Matt the KUSF in Exile DJ References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Man, I played many live shows on KUSF back in the day. It's so sad to hear that the University so turned their backs on the culture history of one of the great college radio stations in the Bay Area. Now you all should listen to KFJC or KKUP!!!! (and Matt's new online show KUSF in EXILE) rick walker On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi all, > > I now have a radio show on KUSF in Exile. My show broadcasts on > Tuesday nights at midnight (Wednesday morning) on www.savekusf.org. > > The first episode is archived on the official site at: > http://www.kusf-archives.com/2012/01/kusf-in-exile-011912-midnight-2-am-matt.html > > And I'll back up 8 or so episodes at http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > (With the podcasts I've been doing up to that point.) > > Mostly, it'll be a 1 hour show - mostly. > > Some history - KUSF used to be the college station of USF in San > Francisco. Last year, the university suddenly sold the transmitter and > frequency license to the classical station KDFC, closing the college > radio station without any warning to students, staff or community. > Since then, KUSF has found a home broadcasting online through some > bandwidth donated by WFMU. So, it's currently an online-only station, > even though a lot of the programming is similar to when it was a > terrestrial station. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 11:52:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10DDA183486; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 715228848/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.7/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.7 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAP6ZHk9V0rEH/2dsb2JhbAAMIBaxJAEBAQQ4NAoCEQsYCQoMDwkDAgECAUUcAcEDiGAqAQQCAwkGAgQDAgIFBhwCAwGCTAICAQIFCQEJBA4DCYENgxwEmmCNCw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,561,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="715228848" Message-ID: <4F1E9B6D.6030006@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:52:13 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Poll: Gordius Users References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:52:12 +0000 (UTC) LG 10 buttons in a bank is a good number. Although for looping I'd recommend the "andy butler" switch configuration ( bank up/down moved to the top to allow a 5x2 matrix of controls) Apart from that, it's possible to use up to 8 additional external switches. Gordius controllers allow you to really get into programming exactly how the switching works, e.g. one switch can cycle through a number of presets. The BLG is more relevant if you want to use it's keyboard type layout. andy Phil Clevenger wrote: > LG or BLG? > > For BLG is extra real estate worth the gain of a couple of buttons? > > Is LG sufficiently well-formed that users feel no pull towards the BLG? > > Thoughts? > > Phil :) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 11:58:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E525C183465; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:58:39 UTC X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B020C.4F1E9BC3.0044,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1821 Message-ID: <5135734.17279781327406018735.JavaMail.root@wmail54> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:53:38 +0100 (CET) From: "luigimeloni74@libero.it" Reply-To: "luigimeloni74@libero.it" To: Subject: R: OT:Android tablets running Flash? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1338092_2998982.1327406018734" X-SenderIP: 151.76.240.162 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:58:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1338092_2998982.1327406018734 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, for my personal experience Android tablets support Flash completely. The site of tha music school I work in has various flash animations in its pages and they work smoothly on both my android phone and the tablets we have for work, both Samsung, Asus and Toshiba.As far as copying your files to/from the tablet is as easy as connecting it to your pc/mac, since it is recognized as an usb memory. I don't know for the latest versione of ANdroid, but for the 1.6.0 and 2.xx.xx it works well. PeaceLuigi (When are they going to produce a Sibelius or Finale reader for Android? I need it!!!) ----Messaggio originale---- Da: mark@markfrancombe.com Data: 24/01/2012 10.39 A: "loopers-delight" Ogg: OT:Android tablets running Flash? Hello, bit of a OT topic, but if there one group of people who would know... Im looking to buy a tablet, one that can run TouchOSC. Now I have difficulty connecting PC laptops to my mac WiFi box (dunno why, just cant) but... I was wondering... I really need to demonstrate my stuff using its, and currently thats all in Flash!. But that doesnt work on iPhones or iPads cos of Apples decision to... well you know... So I was wondering, if I get an Android Pad instead... im not fussy.. would THAT work? Can you connect to Flash! enabled sites and have them work? Second question... Can you copy your own material to these devices, for example a folder with demos in. These demos are predominately html files holding Flash Players showing flv video. This is because some of my programs will only work over pretty hefty broadband, and /or some of the places I show my demos, may not have wifi at all. I DO NOT WANT any arsey comment about Flash! being horrible or Apple verses PC... this is simple a practical issue. The fact is, I produced most of my stuff using Flash! and now want to get into the iPad market, I CANNOT get customers interested without work that exists to try on the iPad, but Im buggered if Im changing complex and OLD programs to be HTML5 and mp4 video, till I have a customer who will PAY!! Mark -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ------=_Part_1338092_2998982.1327406018734 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, for my personal experience Android tablets support Flas= h completely. The site of tha music school I work in has various flash anim= ations in its pages and they work smoothly on both my android phone and the= tablets we have for work, both Samsung, Asus and Toshiba.


I don't know for the latest versione of ANdroi= d, but for the 1.6.0 and 2.xx.xx it works well.


=

Peace

Luigi


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----Messaggio originale----
Da: mark@markfrancombe.com
Data: 24/01/2012 10.39
A: "loopers-delight"<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Ogg: OT:Android tablets running Flash?

Hello, bit of a OT topic, but if there one group of people who would know..= .

Im looking to buy a tablet, one that can run TouchOSC.

Now = I have difficulty connecting PC laptops to my mac WiFi box (dunno why, just= cant) but... I was wondering... I really need to demonstrate my stuff usin= g its, and currently thats all in Flash!. But that doesnt work on iPhones o= r iPads cos of Apples decision to... well you know...

So I was wondering, if I get an Android Pad instead... im not fussy.. w= ould THAT work? Can you connect to Flash! enabled sites and have them work?=
Second question... Can you copy your own material to these devices, for= example a folder with demos in. These demos are predominately html files h= olding Flash Players showing flv video.

This is because some of my programs will only work over pretty hefty br= oadband, and /or some of the places I show my demos, may not have wifi at a= ll.

I DO NOT WANT any arsey comment about Flash! being horrible or A= pple verses PC... this is simple a practical issue. The fact is, I produced= most of my stuff using Flash! and now want to get into the iPad market, I = CANNOT get customers interested without work that exists to try on the iPad= , but Im buggered if Im changing complex and OLD programs to be HTML5 and m= p4 video, till I have a customer who will PAY!!

Mark



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= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
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------=_Part_1338092_2998982.1327406018734-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 12:12:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E576183475; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:12:24 +0100 From: buzap@gmx.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/QTGQ8J8TQSPEA5/VQAcuaUs7hdjiuZaYXi4k/kG 0x9JDB872auF9+OIcfk8iXj9fkUgn1UNl7Pw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: f8Vsb9BBeSEqTch4kHUhc35+IGRvb0Ba Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per to me, the whole Max4Live thing seems pointless as long as the Live API doesn't support full clip manipulation (i.e. delete clips). I want to arrange/manipulate loops, not create fancy effects. best regards Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 12:19:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76149183477; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 721891841/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.7/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.7 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAOigHk9V0rEH/2dsb2JhbAAMIBaxJQEBBDhAESwKDA8JAwIBAgFFHAHAeYhgKgEEAgMJBgIEAwICBQYcglICAgECBQkBCQQOAwmBDYMcBJpgjQs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,562,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="721891841" Message-ID: <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:19:10 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:19:08 +0000 (UTC) The Gordius range now has a ShortPress Longpress capability. Every possible combination covered, this could greatly expand what is possible with the Looperlative LP1 and software loopers. (and EDP of course...but that already has plenty of longshort action going on) Longpress time is programmable to taste....per switch Some likely combinations Shortpress = Record, Longpress = Erase In this case the Record command would be sent as soon as the switch is pressed, Shortpress=Overdub LongPress= Undo/Redo Overdub would be triggered when the switch is released on shortpress (accurate enough). Undo/Redo would wait till the switch was released for accurate control of timing. The LEDS for the switches will display when the longpress time is reached. ...and Francombe, are you listening, there's now a way to trigger the switches from Note-Ons...wasn't there some stuff you wanted to do syncing the to the EDP which could have been done using those timing notes that the edp puts out? Anyway, in short it's now possible to trigger any midi command in hard sync with the edp...per beat...per cycle...per loop (I didn't know Xavier was going to do this) I can imagine it might be fun playing a keyboard where certain keys could trigger ...well...anything you care to imagine. For the future, it looks like the LG range will be able to have a limited functionality as a midi router, with it's 2 Ins and 2 Outs. andy butler ps Xavier's full list - expression pedals get an extra dead zone between sweep range and virtual switch trigger point. This is done only when the switch engage zone is programmed to a non-zero value. - support for "longpress/shortpress" functionality, with the option to postpone messages after a long press till switch is released. - keeping a patchgroup switch pressed for 1 second resets the patchgroup to its first preset. - "real" remote control of the LG2 switches is added : a NoteOn/NoteOff message can trigger each of the switches, Note value range is customizable. - "loop detection" added to the firmware, in order to avoid an instable system due to programming error - Collapsible annotation fields added to the different tab pages of ControlCenter. These allow to add general comment about the setup, and specific comment about each preset, bank, song, banklist, setlist, expr.pedal setup. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 12:27:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3CD6183475; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NTOK0fSRONvaTSYGuI19KD+jGG/jrAnNzsfHIGSMSdc=; b=KRHymPqsjoGcGyJo9KsWkO9D3XPMGWogTkcjW8A5pXz1A+IsY+hGTXN8BL+9x7iJtU SHlVZ6d+3ZGfat2q1nbjxmEaeFMgK6uTlaGpETVGS0lRJeP8l6gHDK2XiWZJMZvxuxXN ZWCV82smpI/p9REB4wrMSTwAA4QQwpWLu9HfU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:27:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:27:44 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM, andy butler wrote: > The Gordius range now has a ShortPress Longpress > capability. A modest start here by using a ShortPress for Undo and a Longpress for Redo and the classical Record vs Reset combo. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 12:38:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC7E4183477; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8mpjx8X0/LIaWqTPaaF4UXeGMMQMGILfC+JuJKQtcJk=; b=OtcBfEk4pX5PUeBbBSA66StdNrqQexr8qwz8WJBH/Sx007XNH9ka29eWncJeNAe0lA igu9qUfu7BGLS1wkju4Keuen6Mh4BTEkCDK11LPc4OQ1n4LO5/neLMz5eEkDgw6QaNFa fk4UZtMlsqQe86sC2rp7FCxtXVI+tDb7budqs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:38:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-KX59.A.je.XZqHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:38:47 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM, wrote: > to me, the whole Max4Live thing seems pointless as long as the Live API doesn't support full clip manipulation (i.e. delete clips). > > I want to arrange/manipulate loops, not create fancy effects. I see your point - but I'm not sharing it since I don't even record clips in Live. I use Mobius to record, arrange and manipulate. My use of Ableton Live is rather minimal, but for what I use it for it works great. That is when I need to pull off playback of canned audio together with live playing, typically in a surround live installation setup. I'm talking about running Live as the sync master, because in my world Live totally fails following tempo sync. Not slagging it, I just stay away from doing that now when I know it isn't working (it's not that its crashing like before v.8 but rather that audio artifacts are introduced in the slave position) - but as said, I think Live is great for one particular purpose. And if they ever fix the slave sync issue I would immediately start using it as a slave host for Mobius only because the M4L thing is so exciting. As an example, today someone shared M4L device that lets you snag a slice of live audio input and hack it up with granulation tools (that can of course be handled by expression pedals etc). Isn't that fun! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 12:47:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F20B0183474; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:47:43 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2f9b3834-b4b8-4015-a499-4620d6789ebf_" X-Originating-IP: [151.16.67.61] From: andrea trabucco To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:42:42 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2012 12:42:43.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA6C7A80:01CCDA95] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:47:43 +0000 (UTC) --_2f9b3834-b4b8-4015-a499-4620d6789ebf_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe = --_2f9b3834-b4b8-4015-a499-4620d6789ebf_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_2f9b3834-b4b8-4015-a499-4620d6789ebf_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 13:22:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81B35183466; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 715267228/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.7/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.7 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAP6uHk9V0rEH/2dsb2JhbAAMLgiFCawdAQEBBCMVQBELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFGQMBrwCRT4Evhz0eAQYDEQQDAgIFBhwCAwGCTAICAQIFCQEJBA4DCYENggaBFgSaYI0L X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,562,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="715267228" Message-ID: <4F1EB07C.7050409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:22:04 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? References: <4F1E98C9.1000107@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:40 PM, andy butler wrote: >> but really I used the opportunity to ask some questions about your >> requirements >> ..just out of interest > > You are welcome! ta :-) 1) Why Sine in particular? rather than Triangle? 2) What about hard sync? where position of the LFO at start of bar (or beat) is locked by reset...rather than just being of a length related to the beat. If you had hard sync would you use square wave mod? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 13:41:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 702B6183478; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nJ58EPsuvH7AOajIROG0lJ9qnQso3Za83ee0sv3OsKU=; b=RP0HS/DsAy2f0H2qgcAvWwLMzUJVb6WkbwXXDkXV8mvAn8VTt4p619GE5IgXn418L0 lOzWy1ZAgpL+T1AcSaC5NMkOg7Uimw1xEZhbmCWnMgRXMY/EadGG0w96Q3xR2RQdvACe hD124SPmGuA2L536A5GXw52lngWoWWAM17PzA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F1EB07C.7050409@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F1E98C9.1000107@tiscali.co.uk> <4F1EB07C.7050409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:41:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:41:38 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:22 PM, andy butler wrote= : > 1) Why Sine in particular? rather than Triangle? I like that sound better. But I also like to set up a knob to "round off" a triangle to make it into a sine. Square wave modulation is also interesting to do, but I like to start out with the sine as default. > 2) What about hard sync? where position of the LFO at start =C2=A0of bar = (or > beat) is locked by reset...rather than just being =C2=A0 of a length rela= ted to > the beat. "Hard sync" in sequencing means that a pattern is set to start over - realign with the master clock - at any given period. Like for example ever 32nd beat (normally a beat means an 8th note). I don't see any point in using hard sync for my simple purpose: just introducing a pulsating volume modulation in whatever sound may come out of a freeze-reverb. The musical point for me is not this pulse per see but the action of changing the pulse frequency by ear to research poly rhythmical relations to other loops I'm running in parallel and this is mostly done by sweeping the musical duration values. I mean, in a constant pulse - where is the downbeat? ;-) > =C2=A0If you had hard sync would you use square wave mod? I like square wave mod too, whenever it fits the musical situation. HOwever, this post might be obsolete by now since I just ran into problems with Bidule. My guess is a RAM shortage issue. I'm starting over building the same setup a second time in Live now, but I'm carefully listening and testing after the introduction of every new component. It works with full fidelity now with Mobius looper as master and Live as sync slave before I have added any specific routing and extra processing. So I'm thinking that there must be a certain point where the shit starts hitting the fan and then I can try work around whatever might be causing it. Oh, for this live stream slice morphing I can use Live's excellent Autopan plugin as a tremolo. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 14:18:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4D88183466; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4c1b9910-d2cf-48fe-9af7-60afcea9e93b_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Ebow use Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 06:18:34 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2012 14:18:34.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E9C4AF0:01CCDAA3] Resent-Message-ID: <0t2IeC.A.urB.72rHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:18:35 +0000 (UTC) --_4c1b9910-d2cf-48fe-9af7-60afcea9e93b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even though an Ebow will work on many instruments with steel strings=2C I m= uch prefer using one in the location right over a pickup and find the locat= ing grooves on the bottom problematic with instruments of different string = spacing. = --_4c1b9910-d2cf-48fe-9af7-60afcea9e93b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Even though an Ebow will work on= many instruments with steel strings=2C I much prefer using one in the loca= tion right over a pickup and find the locating grooves on the bottom proble= matic with instruments of different string spacing.
= --_4c1b9910-d2cf-48fe-9af7-60afcea9e93b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 15:02:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 521ED183479; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0uPDac9HzNsf44jCjdUpP1eRd/mPx80VKTfp76auhpM=; b=qGy3ZlbAL7QQ8JzveipmlmlD1sOVZOmcfQ6g76j4kBWViBE5s+l8w0CPdhL7kaQTUM AwYLqeT7+7zHsxZjAukxGfB67TvumVRbFhVSP5HikplSXcGJ1bCeHxEwRY45bu6+wx+v AIniOhMLtOYrw6nuvtvYTztTIDrW08DEvEuec= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:02:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ebow use From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <6TB83.A.7MC.4fsHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:02:17 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:18 PM, joy_top top wrote: > Even though an Ebow will work on many instruments with steel strings, I much > prefer using one in the location right over a pickup and find the locating > grooves on the bottom problematic with instruments of different string > spacing. It seems different instruments react very different to ebow playing. Most of my guitars tend to sound too loud if positioning the ebow right over the pickup. I rather prefer to keep the ebow somewhere about two cm from the neck pickup. My fav sweet spot is the position where the string starts playing the moment I push it down with my left hand's finger. That way you can at least be a little rhythmically accurate (although rhythm is not the strongest side of a classic ebow tone... LOL ). Here's an example clip where I try doing some phrasing on a fretless guitar using such "sweet spot" ebow positioning in my playing: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/water_plateaux.mp3 On Chapman Stick I can't even make a string vibrate with the ebow. String spacing is too close on a STick, like you are saying in your post. Maybe the metal housing of the Stick pickups also kind of shields them off from the ebow? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 15:25:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B2FA183475; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=xAeGIOHYByelS3BnoIMA:9 a=rLKVvtwVwzzQJcrFrZkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:25:36 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Andrea, You almost got it right. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the = subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Notice that that is not the same email address you send LD messages to. If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your = unsubscribe request to: Good luck next try. Best, Ted On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:42 AM, andrea trabucco wrote: > unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 15:44:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DCFD183466; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EiuCAnFPUWi7R22STU4sJ2rOCQlPD4OyhgS/2rwWAYTwyOxtu+DZ/yqu3WV2PXD6; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:44:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: How an Ebow works.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e3be14e2f14b83bc05e06c9ff4558c15350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:44:57 +0000 (UTC) I've seen a lot of interesting misconceptions about how the ebow works and how "best" to use it since it was introduced in the late 1970s... Here's my simple explanation: What an Ebow consists of: The Ebow is a very simple device consisting of a pickup, an amplifier and an output coil. The pickup is essentially the same as an electric guitar pickup, it uses a coil of wire and a magnetic pole piece. The only difference is that the coil is wound on a single small round bobbin and designed only to pick up the vibration of a single string. The pickup is connected to a very small amplifier which in turn drives the output coil. The amplifier is not very powerful and is easily driven into square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an electric instrument when the excitation coil is positioned above the instrument's own pickup. The pickup coil and output coil are positions at opposite ends of the "string channel" along the bottom surface of the Ebow's body. How an Ebow works: The pickup in the Ebow operates exactly the same as the pickup in every ordinary electric guitar: The string vibrating in close proximity to the pickup causes fluxuations in the permanent magnetic field around the pickup's coil. These fluxuations in the magnetic field induce a voltage into the coil. This voltage is amplified and sent to the output coil, which operates in reverse of the pickup: The voltage sent to the output coil by the amplifier generates a changing magnetic field which excites the string. Since the signal feeding the pickup and produced at the output are from the same string a feedback loop is created, allowing the string to ring indefinitely. An Ebow will work on any vibrating magnetic object which is sensitive enough to be driven by the relatively weak excitation signal. I hope that this clarifies a few things and opens the possibilities for all you loopers.. -Chuck Zwicky -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 17:16:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB6F3183474; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 725461701/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.7/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.7 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAPbmHk9V0rEH/2dsb2JhbAAMNrEoAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd4uAyJCgEEAgMJBgIEAwICBQYcAgOCTQICAQIFCQEJBA4DCYENgxwEmmCNCw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,563,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="725461701" Message-ID: <4F1EE74E.3060100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:15:58 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How an Ebow works..addendum References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Charles Zwicky wrote: > Here's my simple explanation: > Nice explanation. (especially about the 2 coils, I didn't know that) I'd add (more explicitly) that the ebow sounds very different on an instrument with a magnetic p/u. The output coil in the ebow is 'picked up' directly by the magnetic p/u in a guitar. That's why you get that heavily distorted tone, and why by careful positioning of the ebow you can get a very precise control of dynamics. (either move the ebow along the string, or lift it slightly to vary the distance from the p/u). To avoid the distorted tone you can use the ebow over the fingerboard, but it has to be a long way from the p/u. ....obviously piezos are immune. The shape of the ebow, where it contacts the strings, is not only to make it easy to position. Drawing the ebow across the strings gives a light plucking action that can help to start the note. (that's how the arpeggios described in the manual are possible). andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 17:25:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1714183474; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hQRg8XYAWazZdRRx0DHOSmBG6cSs1jliDYYmXcM/k1M=; b=orYooF2yjuDBtsFkbEAor8kq3YTt2BoY1SYiOevjfPuibC3+Ia070dHhQgpIF7gehG 6U0pw1yaBH5qYXhSxlBi1TdrfLzcJr89pjv/n8oQis7jZVFor9JNAwt1ZfuXw69HKogB lqeYce7gY2I65r6XJ27EavWs21FRy0RBGTgWQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:25:12 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How an Ebow works.. From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Yes, nice explanation! On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Charles Zwicky wr= ote: > I've seen a lot of interesting misconceptions about how the ebow works an= d > how "best" to use it since it was introduced in the late 1970s... > > Here's my simple explanation: > > What an Ebow consists of: > > The Ebow is a very simple device consisting of a pickup, an amplifier and= an > output coil. =A0The pickup is essentially the same as an electric guitar > pickup, it uses a coil of wire and a magnetic pole piece. =A0The only > difference is that the coil is wound on a single small round bobbin and > designed only to pick up the vibration of a single string. > > The pickup is connected to a very small amplifier which in turn drives th= e > output coil. =A0The amplifier is not very powerful and is easily driven i= nto > square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an electric instrument > when the excitation coil is positioned above the instrument's own pickup. > > The pickup coil and output coil are positions at opposite ends of the > "string channel" along the bottom surface of the Ebow's body. > > How an Ebow works: > > The pickup in the Ebow operates exactly the same as the pickup in every > ordinary electric guitar: The string vibrating in close proximity to the > pickup causes fluxuations =A0in the permanent magnetic field around the > pickup's coil. > > These fluxuations =A0in the magnetic field induce a voltage into the coil= . > This voltage is amplified and sent to the output coil, which operates in > reverse of the pickup: The voltage sent to the output coil by the amplifi= er > generates a changing magnetic field which excites the string. > Since the signal feeding the pickup and produced at the output are from t= he > same string a feedback loop is created, allowing the string to ring > indefinitely. > > An Ebow will work on any vibrating magnetic object which is sensitive eno= ugh > to be driven by the relatively weak excitation signal. > > I hope that this clarifies a few things and opens the possibilities for a= ll > you loopers.. > > -Chuck Zwicky > > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 17:46:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A73B183473; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GKbfXi9N4sxM3Jkq3ikk29W8BKUNSekHxnkUaLa9QrEpYKATpcDtUM4DlmMh9I7T; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4F1EE74E.3060100@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F1EE74E.3060100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:46:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: How an Ebow works..addendum Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-884695282==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798523f136405ca7bcee3b33cde9d3996e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:46:55 +0000 (UTC) --============_-884695282==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Andy, Yes it is true that the Ebow sounds very different on an instrument with a magnetic p/u, the reason for that I mentioned in my description: "The (Ebow's internal) amplifier is not very powerful and is easily driven into square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an electric instrument when the excitation coil is positioned above the instrument's own pickup." That squarewave distortion provides much of the characteristic tone associated with the Ebow, The original Ebow demo tape has some -expert- examples of arpeggios and other techniques.. it's stunning how good that demo still is. -CZ >Charles Zwicky wrote: > >>Here's my simple explanation: >> > > >Nice explanation. (especially about the 2 coils, I didn't know that) > >I'd add (more explicitly) that the ebow sounds very different >on an instrument with a magnetic p/u. > >The output coil in the ebow is 'picked up' directly by the magnetic p/u >in a guitar. That's why you get that heavily distorted tone, and why by >careful positioning of the ebow you can get a very precise control >of dynamics. >(either move the ebow along the string, or lift it slightly to vary >the distance >from the p/u). > >To avoid the distorted tone you can use the ebow over the fingerboard, >but it has to be a long way from the p/u. >....obviously piezos are immune. > > >The shape of the ebow, where it contacts the strings, is not only >to make it easy to position. Drawing the ebow across the strings >gives a light plucking action >that can help to start the note. (that's how the arpeggios described >in the manual are possible). > > >andy -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-884695282==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: How an Ebow works..addendum
Hi Andy,

Yes it is true that the Ebow sounds very different on an instrument with a magnetic p/u, the reason for that  I mentioned in my  description:

"The (Ebow's internal) amplifier is not very powerful and is easily driven into square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an electric instrument when the excitation coil is positioned above the instrument's own pickup."

That squarewave distortion provides much of the characteristic tone associated with the Ebow,

The original Ebow demo tape has some -expert- examples of arpeggios and other techniques.. it's stunning how good that demo still is.


-CZ

Charles Zwicky wrote:
Here's my simple explanation:


Nice explanation. (especially about the 2 coils, I didn't know that)
I'd add (more explicitly) that the ebow sounds very different
on an instrument with a magnetic p/u.

The output coil in the ebow is 'picked up' directly by the magnetic p/u
in a guitar. That's why you get that heavily distorted tone, and why by
careful positioning of the ebow you can get a very precise control of dynamics.
(either move the ebow along the string, or lift it slightly to vary the distance
from the p/u).

To avoid the distorted tone you can use the ebow over the fingerboard,
but it has to be a long way from the p/u.
....obviously piezos are immune.


The shape of the ebow, where it contacts the strings, is not only
to make it easy to position. Drawing the ebow across the strings gives a light plucking action
that can help to start the note. (that's how the arpeggios described
in the manual are possible).


andy


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-884695282==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 17:47:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31AE5183463; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: OT Most likely cause of my Ebow casing degradation Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:47:46 -0600 Message-ID: <018d01ccdac0$49aea4e0$dd0beea0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AczawERaZm9VdQdCRWGKHTxdjmyAXw== x-vipre-scanned: 131375DE002CB91313772B X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <5ZctRB.A.8cE.I7uHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Without purposely destroying my ebow casing, but by doing some detective work, it definitely looks like it was a combination of heat and/or some battery exudate. 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Peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 18:02:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21583183473; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=R/bxLvMX4Kt00Z8aO8pQqDvS//ILY2P5Oc1tqo98Bf8=; b=RecQktQjj41EhZ9O/GNOAdao6FhrHEca97pzMtaQYmUHOzKTAaAkrlqSti8F0fR+15 hKlpPzVfmA/v45Mo1IURQ7+xG9xLzWvjJANY2LE5o6FcV0Bogb+8xoV4NZINjpRYk6zN jkuUG8hnOVE5LSUqmzIDBGuEYJBuO4Yf/NP0s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <018d01ccdac0$49aea4e0$dd0beea0$@michaelplishka.com> References: <018d01ccdac0$49aea4e0$dd0beea0$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:55:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Most likely cause of my Ebow casing degradation From: Willie Burke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ee1bc3021b04b749daab Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:02:05 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ee1bc3021b04b749daab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Mike, Webinars all day long! 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From that point it looks like > something leaked in two directions along the seam, eating it away. Given > the fact that many other folks here have left batteries in and not had > probs, this reinforces the theory that with the switch lodged into the "on" > position, the ebow overheated and the stressed battery gave up the ghost. > > Lesson: Protect your ebow switches from accidental 'turn-ons' > > > Thanks for all the input!! > > > Peace~ > > Mike > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > > --f46d0444ee1bc3021b04b749daab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike,
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:47 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com<= /a>> wrote:
Without purposely destroying my ebow = casing, but by doing some detective
work, it definitely looks like it wa= s a combination of heat and/or some
battery exudate. There is a line where the plastic is 'cut through'=
perpendicular to the seam on the ebow that lines up perfectly with top = of
the foam in the battery compartment (which is the bottom of the batte= ry),
and a rust colored stain in the foam. =A0From that point it looks like
s= omething leaked in two directions along the seam, eating it away. =A0Given<= br>the fact that many other folks here have left batteries in and not had probs, this reinforces the theory that with the switch lodged into the &quo= t;on"
position, the ebow overheated and the stressed battery gave u= p the ghost.

Lesson: Protect your ebow switches from accidental '= ;turn-ons'


Thanks for all the input!!


Peace~

Mike


www.micha= elplishka.com
www.scribbledmusings.com



--f46d0444ee1bc3021b04b749daab-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 18:10:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18E51183460; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BTzUCrrgQ8+IZxvv+d34qT+c3n1H4lM01LrTmav+ZvM=; b=aArAJUlHRnIL4FuypTlELcK75ThwyJO+HOTH0SjDHwdIf5CVJRTWcraoCqkxP1bvsu cqCrSzgfu+81qRn1HjJc8ymhfPeuuiaVu1XBU3dOIn0VH4qDLT12csLQgu6ysjz95NGJ Dl7nmx0Tsq3nWjDb27yE13MWmfy8qlaXTGaXo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F1EE74E.3060100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:10:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How an Ebow works..addendum From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10d16f770a4704b74a0fd9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:10:22 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10d16f770a4704b74a0fd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am sure most have seen this. This really shows the range of what can be done imo. He does hold it over the pickups some of the time. Some nice delay style looping also! http://youtu.be/wwq0i6jP7dQ j On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > ** > Hi Andy, > > Yes it is true that the Ebow sounds very different on an instrument with a > magnetic p/u, the reason for that I mentioned in my description: > > *"The (Ebow's internal) amplifier is not very powerful and is easily > driven into square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an electric > instrument when the excitation coil is positioned above the instrument's > own pickup."* > * > * > That squarewave distortion provides much of the characteristic tone > associated with the Ebow, > > The original Ebow demo tape has some -expert- examples of arpeggios and > other techniques.. it's stunning how good that demo still is. > > > -CZ > > Charles Zwicky wrote: > > Here's my simple explanation: > > > > Nice explanation. (especially about the 2 coils, I didn't know that) > > I'd add (more explicitly) that the ebow sounds very different > > on an instrument with a magnetic p/u. > > The output coil in the ebow is 'picked up' directly by the magnetic p/u > in a guitar. That's why you get that heavily distorted tone, and why by > careful positioning of the ebow you can get a very precise control of > dynamics. > (either move the ebow along the string, or lift it slightly to vary the > distance > from the p/u). > > To avoid the distorted tone you can use the ebow over the fingerboard, > but it has to be a long way from the p/u. > ....obviously piezos are immune. > > > The shape of the ebow, where it contacts the strings, is not only > to make it easy to position. Drawing the ebow across the strings gives a > light plucking action > that can help to start the note. (that's how the arpeggios described > in the manual are possible). > > > andy > > > > ** > > -- > > ** > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > --047d7b10d16f770a4704b74a0fd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am sure most have seen this. This really shows the range of what can be d= one imo. He does hold it over the pickups some of the time. Some nice delay= style looping also!

http://= youtu.be/wwq0i6jP7dQ

j



On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:= 46 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Andy,

Yes it is true that the Ebow sounds very different on an instrument with a magnetic p/u, the reason for that=A0 I mentioned in my=A0 description:

"The (Ebow's internal) amplifier is not very powerful and is easily driven into square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an electric instrument when the excitation coil is positioned above the instrument's own pickup."

That squarewave distortion provides much of the characteristic tone associated with the Ebow,

The original Ebow demo tape has some -expert- examples of arpeggios and other techniques.. it's stunning how good that demo still is.


-CZ

Charles Zwicky wrote:
Here's my simple explanation:


Nice explanation. (especially about the 2 coils, I didn't know that)
I'd add (more explicitly) that the ebow sounds very different
on an instrument with a magnetic p/u.

The output coil in the ebow is 'picked up' directly by the magnetic p/u
in a guitar. That's why you get that heavily distorted tone, and why by
careful positioning of the ebow you can get a very precise control of dynamics.
(either move the ebow along the string, or lift it slightly to vary the distance
from the p/u).

To avoid the distorted tone you can use the ebow over the fingerboard,
but it has to be a long way from the p/u.
....obviously piezos are immune.


The shape of the ebow, where it contacts the strings, is not only
to make it easy to position. Drawing the ebow across the strings gives a light plucking action
that can help to start the note. (that's how the arpeggios described
in the manual are possible).


andy


--=20

--047d7b10d16f770a4704b74a0fd9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 18:20:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3ABF183474; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zECFu69nbwk7eJ/m6jMRhXJOgHIEU35okF8wjZKOf+I= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=d3s395feAAAA:8 a=cWZZncLVAAAA:8 a=Cd49tnEHAAAA:8 a=ItWxgtrCUbtnDz8fOg8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=lbXdqqHVDtS8VjroBJ0A:9 a=JKmY9jIVPnCGZlFlBc0A:7 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.205.208 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--917819683 Subject: Re: How an Ebow works..addendum Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:20:14 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4F1EE74E.3060100@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <2C2A645B-D744-48CC-946C-4138206B2758@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:20:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--917819683 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Extremely nice! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I am sure most have seen this. This really shows the range of what can = be done imo. He does hold it over the pickups some of the time. Some = nice delay style looping also! >=20 > http://youtu.be/wwq0i6jP7dQ >=20 > j >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Charles Zwicky = wrote: > Hi Andy, >=20 > Yes it is true that the Ebow sounds very different on an instrument = with a magnetic p/u, the reason for that I mentioned in my = description: >=20 > "The (Ebow's internal) amplifier is not very powerful and is easily = driven into square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an = electric instrument when the excitation coil is positioned above the = instrument's own pickup." >=20 > That squarewave distortion provides much of the characteristic tone = associated with the Ebow, >=20 > The original Ebow demo tape has some -expert- examples of arpeggios = and other techniques.. it's stunning how good that demo still is. >=20 >=20 > -CZ >=20 >> Charles Zwicky wrote: >>> Here's my simple explanation: >>=20 >>=20 >> Nice explanation. (especially about the 2 coils, I didn't know that) >> I'd add (more explicitly) that the ebow sounds very different >> on an instrument with a magnetic p/u. >>=20 >> The output coil in the ebow is 'picked up' directly by the magnetic = p/u >> in a guitar. That's why you get that heavily distorted tone, and why = by >> careful positioning of the ebow you can get a very precise control of = dynamics. >> (either move the ebow along the string, or lift it slightly to vary = the distance >> from the p/u). >>=20 >> To avoid the distorted tone you can use the ebow over the = fingerboard, >> but it has to be a long way from the p/u. >> ....obviously piezos are immune. >>=20 >>=20 >> The shape of the ebow, where it contacts the strings, is not only >> to make it easy to position. Drawing the ebow across the strings = gives a light plucking action >> that can help to start the note. (that's how the arpeggios described >> in the manual are possible). >>=20 >>=20 >> andy >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >=20 > http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 --Apple-Mail-6--917819683 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
richard sales
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= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:

I am sure = most have seen this. This really shows the range of what can be done = imo. He does hold it over the pickups some of the time. Some nice delay = style looping also!

http://youtu.be/wwq0i6jP7dQ

j



On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at = 12:46 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Andy,

Yes it is true that the Ebow sounds very different on an instrument with a magnetic p/u, the reason for that  I mentioned in my  description:

"The (Ebow's internal) amplifier is not very powerful and is easily driven into square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an electric instrument when the excitation coil is positioned above the instrument's own pickup."

That squarewave distortion provides much of the characteristic tone associated with the Ebow,

The original Ebow demo tape has some -expert- examples of arpeggios and other techniques.. it's stunning how good that demo still is.


-CZ

Charles Zwicky wrote:
Here's my simple explanation:


Nice explanation. (especially about the 2 coils, I didn't know that)
I'd add (more explicitly) that the ebow sounds very different
on an instrument with a magnetic p/u.

The output coil in the ebow is 'picked up' directly by the magnetic p/u
in a guitar. That's why you get that heavily distorted tone, and why by
careful positioning of the ebow you can get a very precise control of dynamics.
(either move the ebow along the string, or lift it slightly to vary the distance
from the p/u).

To avoid the distorted tone you can use the ebow over the fingerboard,
but it has to be a long way from the p/u.
....obviously piezos are immune.


The shape of the ebow, where it contacts the strings, is not only
to make it easy to position. Drawing the ebow across the strings gives a light plucking action
that can help to start the note. (that's how the arpeggios described
in the manual are possible).


andy


--=20


= --Apple-Mail-6--917819683-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 18:26:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97B91183474; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <26BD2C3F9EDB4F98803BFFC5E0534C26@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4F1EE74E.3060100@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: How an Ebow works..addendum Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:26:10 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CCDAC5.A56A6E90"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:26:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CCDAC5.A56A6E90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002E_01CCDAC5.A56A6E90" ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01CCDAC5.A56A6E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Always a pleaser, that Phil...=20 From: Jeff Duke=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: How an Ebow works..addendum I am sure most have seen this. This really shows the range of what can = be done imo. He does hold it over the pickups some of the time. Some = nice delay style looping also! http://youtu.be/wwq0i6jP7dQ j On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Charles Zwicky = wrote: Hi Andy, Yes it is true that the Ebow sounds very different on an instrument = with a magnetic p/u, the reason for that I mentioned in my = description: "The (Ebow's internal) amplifier is not very powerful and is easily = driven into square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an = electric instrument when the excitation coil is positioned above the = instrument's own pickup." That squarewave distortion provides much of the characteristic tone = associated with the Ebow, The original Ebow demo tape has some -expert- examples of arpeggios = and other techniques.. it's stunning how good that demo still is. -CZ Charles Zwicky wrote: Here's my simple explanation: Nice explanation. (especially about the 2 coils, I didn't know that) I'd add (more explicitly) that the ebow sounds very different on an instrument with a magnetic p/u. The output coil in the ebow is 'picked up' directly by the magnetic = p/u in a guitar. That's why you get that heavily distorted tone, and why = by careful positioning of the ebow you can get a very precise control = of dynamics. (either move the ebow along the string, or lift it slightly to vary = the distance from the p/u). To avoid the distorted tone you can use the ebow over the = fingerboard, but it has to be a long way from the p/u. ....obviously piezos are immune. The shape of the ebow, where it contacts the strings, is not only to make it easy to position. Drawing the ebow across the strings = gives a light plucking action that can help to start the note. (that's how the arpeggios described in the manual are possible). andy --=20 ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01CCDAC5.A56A6E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Always a pleaser, that Phil...
 
From: Jeff Duke
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: How an Ebow works..addendum
 
I=20 am sure most have seen this. This really shows the range of what can be = done=20 imo. He does hold it over the pickups some of the time. Some nice delay = style=20 looping also!

http://youtu.be/wwq0i6jP7dQ
<= BR>j



On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Charles = Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>=20 wrote:
Hi Andy,
 
Yes it is true that the Ebow sounds very different on an = instrument with=20 a magnetic p/u, the reason for that  I mentioned in my =20 description:
 
"The (Ebow's internal) amplifier is not very powerful and is = easily=20 driven into square wave clipping, which is plainly audible in an = electric=20 instrument when the excitation coil is positioned above the = instrument's own=20 pickup."

That squarewave distortion provides much of the characteristic = tone=20 associated with the Ebow,
 
The original Ebow demo tape has some -expert- examples of = arpeggios and=20 other techniques.. it's stunning how good that demo still is.
 
 
-CZ
 
Charles Zwicky wrote:
Here's my simple=20 explanation:


Nice explanation. (especially about = the 2=20 coils, I didn't know that)
I'd add (more explicitly) that the ebow = sounds very=20 different
on an instrument with a magnetic = p/u.

The=20 output coil in the ebow is 'picked up' directly by the magnetic = p/u
in a=20 guitar. That's why you get that heavily distorted tone, and why=20 by
careful positioning of the ebow you can get a very precise = control of=20 dynamics.
(either move the ebow along the string, or lift it = slightly to=20 vary the distance
from the p/u).

To avoid the distorted = tone you=20 can use the ebow over the fingerboard,
but it has to be a long = way from=20 the p/u.
....obviously piezos are immune.


The shape of = the=20 ebow, where it contacts the strings, is not only
to make it easy = to=20 position. Drawing the ebow across the strings gives a light plucking = action
that can help to start the note. (that's how the arpeggios = described
in the manual are = possible).


andy
 
 
--=20

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
 
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When there's no string to activate the ebow uses very little power. (and ..er..I'm *always* leaving it on...it never overheats) I reckon you just got a bad battery leak...unlucky. andy mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > probs, this reinforces the theory that with the switch lodged into the "on" > position, the ebow overheated and the stressed battery gave up the ghost. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 22:16:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 919DD183465; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=iHz4R09KCT2M+DA3gB/Ti7gzgyOhLwjtb6iJHwaCseQ=; b=MWjjdyMuaoIt/pMmDTqc4qpQFQIHaiS+GzZrtzvuJ55D4u+POomoebiw5J4bMqCOec 58SkpGYu+k4qtVQzgehHmZpyY9QhpIYRMfPoaZBb6DEUOP+qSUAJhMEGfh4XWOy6KR+E JUQZAomDOX57UuD63MHwIiT9uNd6vqAgZgxT4= Subject: Panic Mode From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:16:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <_6_zPD.A.JzH.B3yHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:16:33 +0000 (UTC) I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced liv= e looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in mys= elf after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had very l= ittle time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 22:21:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBA5E183464; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zECFu69nbwk7eJ/m6jMRhXJOgHIEU35okF8wjZKOf+I= c=1 sm=2 a=fuiTANs2cV0A:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=8cyn0mv-AAAA:8 a=m6a2s1OPUc2cKfjeIhEA:9 a=gqnLf_9VsA0GkUxXGr4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=mtHG2RuS1w6e6ZQpIbMA:9 a=2urzsx97BEiBfFoLw1QA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.205.208 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--903330702 Subject: Re: OT Most likely cause of my Ebow casing degradation Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:21:43 -0800 In-Reply-To: <018d01ccdac0$49aea4e0$dd0beea0$@michaelplishka.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <018d01ccdac0$49aea4e0$dd0beea0$@michaelplishka.com> Message-Id: <68D28E15-CD5F-4512-86D2-9C19B804BF30@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:21:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--903330702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Leaking batteries in old synths (plus dust, time and abuse) have cost me = a good bit so far and are about to climb higher when I get the next = batch of old synths in spring.=20 All worked fine fifteen - twenty years ago when they were put in = storage. I believe they're all dead now. =20 But I love those cranky old beasts! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 24, 2012, at 9:47 AM, = wrote: > Without purposely destroying my ebow casing, but by doing some = detective > work, it definitely looks like it was a combination of heat and/or = some > battery exudate. There is a line where the plastic is 'cut through' > perpendicular to the seam on the ebow that lines up perfectly with top = of > the foam in the battery compartment (which is the bottom of the = battery), > and a rust colored stain in the foam. =46rom that point it looks like > something leaked in two directions along the seam, eating it away. = Given > the fact that many other folks here have left batteries in and not had > probs, this reinforces the theory that with the switch lodged into the = "on" > position, the ebow overheated and the stressed battery gave up the = ghost. >=20 > Lesson: Protect your ebow switches from accidental 'turn-ons' >=20 >=20 > Thanks for all the input!! >=20 >=20 > Peace~ >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-8--903330702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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On Jan 24, 2012, at 9:47 AM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> = <mike@michaelplishka.com> = wrote:

Without purposely destroying my ebow casing, but by = doing some detective
work, it definitely looks like it was a = combination of heat and/or some
battery exudate. There is a line = where the plastic is 'cut through'
perpendicular to the seam on the = ebow that lines up perfectly with top of
the foam in the battery = compartment (which is the bottom of the battery),
and a rust colored = stain in the foam.  =46rom that point it looks like
something = leaked in two directions along the seam, eating it away. =  Given
the fact that many other folks here have left batteries = in and not had
probs, this reinforces the theory that with the switch = lodged into the "on"
position, the ebow overheated and the stressed = battery gave up the ghost.

Lesson: Protect your ebow switches = from accidental 'turn-ons'


Thanks for all the = input!!


Peace~

Mike



www.michaelplishka.com
www.s= cribbledmusings.com



= --Apple-Mail-8--903330702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 22:35:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA7B3183473; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 464915.92524.bm@omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1327444558; bh=Go8uilSICwHTilZJLnl7Q2ydcysy63aslEmNbHJaPQw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=nW1ihRalkYs2SvpOxMuTW2lKIjUOp9ZeIw6nc2oSVPAGbYpmY7lhlWEIleKAw7x86+vNEmfeDYsIANgDogUh8t+bFMwQp+wOF+bG/avt8xAzaPmsuCZEY1El0hfmL+hX/PCqupKhqM73zY51ZOFezeZg5YbbYtyEebiM7h/fZi8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mavHuCIVM1mk4LOuWtecVInmBG4uFV_SJ3m..4U8Eu1_IUc kOis_khKDV6Sl_V5tgSpekIQGgj2UrZPG3dISiCCFnx_0ENk_eiCmKfMtd16 ih1qyWkud6hbyQpF4c0CrCJCoijdKmxU7jNTB0htnf6h20DKAZ1zr03sqgG8 nZ2b2eE0YPhpYPNg62FztXa8HPW7WiWt4WU6zvhauqnViuMY8WuFfIJrF6PI 0YkEQefZz3ax5k4naJK1yL8WUQh5JdoxOy7S3tkb.qSpZAlvjAr1ztlyUt7H aZ4.KwvIAvFaXkjiS7B5sH3K3ayrjtBkAQ7OSkgFC1oO4cClY.nGcOISe.GU Fy4CIEUQGVdFRmtmkfr3giysUS4ydTd0D16oRs6oEpKLr8Wi_sM7hEmk4F5B D0yk- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Panic Mode From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:35:56 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <19C67299-69C2-4A9F-8615-9678E766ACDE@att.net> References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Whoa there buckaroo. I know what you're feeling. I've felt that way. = One thing to think about is that it's good you got that out of your = system before your performance. Next, just rev up the machine and do = something loud and goofy for about 10 or 15 minutes. That'll get your = sexy up. And then, remember to use the space and situation you're = playing in to tell you what you're meant to play. All you have to do is = play the truth, let your real person come out, and remember most of all, = you deserve to be up there, no flaking, no judges. Give them a big fat = kick in the junk and use their high voices for inspiration.=20 Failure? Shmailure! The audience wants you to be great, so just be... On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: > I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't = practiced live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no = confidence in myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals = week so I have had very little time for music anyways. I feel like = flaking :/=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 22:45:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC3B9183465; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lM+5LYsOdXz9vmdo0olWWgw4UoqTK678Deb2pQ2JPSg=; b=KHxMOkzqNtilduoousVk4usszlWwCsTRiq0Z5Fr80GMYSZvcY4qg6yGixqH6lDzbNY VVz6LsFkDTuYfPoSVTPo33TchIAb1ksczkutB7XYN5bcmaeYlxhxrkHlvN5/LdWWyTTr beLDmaQaPIa3UPPmFXnp+otzGR6n7KJufKrDE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19C67299-69C2-4A9F-8615-9678E766ACDE@att.net> References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <19C67299-69C2-4A9F-8615-9678E766ACDE@att.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:45:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Panic Mode From: bassman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044306a8507cbb04b74de6eb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:45:12 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044306a8507cbb04b74de6eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 one thing i do is to warm up and play backstage for 10-15 minutes...get things loose... flowing... even at home - that first 15 minutes feels like it lifts a weight off my playing. On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Whoa there buckaroo. I know what you're feeling. I've felt that way. One > thing to think about is that it's good you got that out of your system > before your performance. Next, just rev up the machine and do something > loud and goofy for about 10 or 15 minutes. That'll get your sexy up. And > then, remember to use the space and situation you're playing in to tell you > what you're meant to play. All you have to do is play the truth, let your > real person come out, and remember most of all, you deserve to be up there, > no flaking, no judges. Give them a big fat kick in the junk and use their > high voices for inspiration. > > Failure? Shmailure! The audience wants you to be great, so just be... > > On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: > > > I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced > live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in > myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had > very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ > > --f46d044306a8507cbb04b74de6eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable one thing i do is to warm up and play backstage for 10-15 minutes...get thi= ngs loose... flowing... even at home - that first 15 minutes feels like it = lifts a weight off my playing.

On Tue, Ja= n 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net> wrote:
Whoa there buckaroo. =A0I know what you'= re feeling. I've felt that way. One thing to think about is that it'= ;s good you got that out of your system before your performance. Next, just= rev up the machine and do something loud and goofy for about 10 or 15 minu= tes. That'll get your sexy up. And then, remember to use the space and = situation you're playing in to tell you what you're meant to play. = All you have to do is play the truth, let your real person come out, and re= member most of all, you deserve to be up there, no flaking, no judges. Give= them a big fat kick in the junk and use their high voices for inspiration.=

Failure? Shmailure! The audience wants you to be great, so just be...

On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote:

> I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't pra= cticed live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confid= ence in myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I ha= ve had very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/


--f46d044306a8507cbb04b74de6eb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 22:46:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A24183464; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=+DfVJBewebtgJWVw1ZLPtX/GbykkR9ClGpZde/QfpOg=; b=SkfDhh7eNInAWrz+fjBcYvZMQ/lEaKfMfCkiY+fVUOvMXbNYctifbvaykFBt7znscU taLmyz+tteQew4Xp/lxcWwfTUzqZ2dYMB+1YvrnXOcL9ajhHAbYLHv65vXH+I5sIDVS8 9VTICgfn7go2pbTKN/m5OcCU1lhOUrvpbCsiQ= From: F_Anile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8L1) Message-Id: <9A8248D0-E78A-46AE-89A4-45B80DC95DF0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:46:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight list Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8L1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:46:03 +0000 (UTC) A few days ago some of you has posted this interesting video about technolog= y and art by "PressPausePlay".=20 http://vimeo.com/34608191 I deeply suggest to give it a look if you're interested in some artist's per= spectives about the time we're now living. Now, if you go straight to 47'55" you'll see this title "craft is gone". Since I mostly consider myself as a musician, that's a point often present i= n my mind. I wonder what do you think about that statement. Cheers -f www.eterogeneo.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 22:49:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77CB8183466; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=V0nZgNs42C3tQktx/xh3cea8rqjZJEVoB5Iqa2OxjKY=; b=qsSD4D6ioZ1D22qivErqQZ0b5GT6UcMWKzwygGbiCsqdszihqYQr9hjVyJV0eqNjli 0xtQg+PCJBbFLvm5uIe90X+liZ4jXZ0oYiG6+0aMtaFNHWUlFir0Mn6yN9Y983kKD5yo ahuMYi5+StuWOkDi4lcS9/E+WCscF5MFcJeGE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:49:44 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Unsubscribe From: Larry Salzman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2351bf9797a404b74df6f5 Resent-Message-ID: <1o5Y8D.A.5q.JWzHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2351bf9797a404b74df6f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Unsubscribe --e89a8f2351bf9797a404b74df6f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unsubscribe=A0 --e89a8f2351bf9797a404b74df6f5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 22:50:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE48183465; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1327445453; bh=rDniBiT8zhMKMRynw1U4yThRxeMzYq9Jg2whbzyeucE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=v/uoBZ6r9WFJgT66D3l3wqwCoMl2e3cFc5DkM3eu+HHmuVmyVcrgwtE2+cJGV2/wkbt+msa0svXcIwgawBNPUdPFysoQrkBGz4kdONUEzXmQE1WVqHBv1mYxb/0oecRzChjjlwpmuwVcn1G18vInmDKpcKDpcrj2R4lRrlcMoEk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 821898.12627.bm@smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bzc31_QVM1kuAkfDSWxx9vrItTKyGtQiKC0nV2u6VsyVrzZ dnB74UFGc.WriNRZuuhS95CiyQombq9hq_K8pngjSMmgs4gGSexoTrqY1c5l hFUxL5okvDTsS.DzKYIFW8svmevsHp2ozm56jbt6gFkDLargfT38xnKS10ih 0yMj_lhsIYThjHTD87AtX_3uc3xvPVqXQ2lw2cRNFNfEhq9gQMf2wWrLH_3R ueBKdOXqjk6jf8XYzVL.wUiaCwuNjYtoeQqMvxiwmYKxZ9ibdFuGBE7SYSmm av9R3aJ9EoeqaxSSUEVKVJ6lyO7rpKpabR3Pl1HEDMPUzpqnnhM8GvDCpPLs gbKe13.4kqWfiiXVYq6b_OMsBGVYCeYdUkw1_XByjqN08rlqqnxx9BjYHxyW KYue5toN8BmXv1MLQUTk_VxcOtgjIVg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_98724B47-0786-41EB-BB88-CB10C2EE087D" Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:50:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <19C67299-69C2-4A9F-8615-9678E766ACDE@att.net> Message-Id: <1D648B05-5301-45DE-A433-D348922ADD10@att.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:50:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_98724B47-0786-41EB-BB88-CB10C2EE087D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There you go...Now you've got your soul back.=20 Break a leg tomorrow. On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:45 PM, bassman wrote: > one thing i do is to warm up and play backstage for 10-15 = minutes...get things loose... flowing... even at home - that first 15 = minutes feels like it lifts a weight off my playing. >=20 > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Laurie Amat = wrote: > Whoa there buckaroo. I know what you're feeling. I've felt that way. = One thing to think about is that it's good you got that out of your = system before your performance. Next, just rev up the machine and do = something loud and goofy for about 10 or 15 minutes. That'll get your = sexy up. And then, remember to use the space and situation you're = playing in to tell you what you're meant to play. All you have to do is = play the truth, let your real person come out, and remember most of all, = you deserve to be up there, no flaking, no judges. Give them a big fat = kick in the junk and use their high voices for inspiration. >=20 > Failure? Shmailure! The audience wants you to be great, so just be... >=20 > On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: >=20 > > I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't = practiced live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no = confidence in myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals = week so I have had very little time for music anyways. I feel like = flaking :/ >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_98724B47-0786-41EB-BB88-CB10C2EE087D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 There you go...Now you've got your soul back. 

Break a leg tomorrow.
On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:45 PM, bassman wrote:

one thing i do is to warm up and play backstage for 10-15 minutes...get things loose... flowing... even at home - that first 15 minutes feels like it lifts a weight off my playing.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net> wrote:
Whoa there buckaroo.  I know what you're feeling. I've felt that way. One thing to think about is that it's good you got that out of your system before your performance. Next, just rev up the machine and do something loud and goofy for about 10 or 15 minutes. That'll get your sexy up. And then, remember to use the space and situation you're playing in to tell you what you're meant to play. All you have to do is play the truth, let your real person come out, and remember most of all, you deserve to be up there, no flaking, no judges. Give them a big fat kick in the junk and use their high voices for inspiration.

Failure? Shmailure! The audience wants you to be great, so just be...

On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote:

> I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/



--Apple-Mail=_98724B47-0786-41EB-BB88-CB10C2EE087D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 23:08:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDCCE183465; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <018d01ccdac0$49aea4e0$dd0beea0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F1EFC2F.8090701@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F1EFC2F.8090701@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: OT Most likely cause of my Ebow casing degradation Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:08:19 -0600 Message-ID: <008101ccdaed$119a2200$34ce6600$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHnquAsqc5Al3zjrg2qaiRQCLiqPwLdUnqtlc+ZcOA= x-vipre-scanned: 0011863F002CBA0011878C X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:08:25 +0000 (UTC) I've cleaned it all up and reassembled. Hopefully it will work . Interesting. Thanks for the update. I'll keep an eye on the new battery. Battery leaks can indeed be a bear... Mike -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Most likely cause of my Ebow casing degradation Mike, I doubt very much it's your fault for leaving the ebow on. When there's no string to activate the ebow uses very little power. (and ..er..I'm *always* leaving it on...it never overheats) I reckon you just got a bad battery leak...unlucky. andy mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > probs, this reinforces the theory that with the switch lodged into the "on" > position, the ebow overheated and the stressed battery gave up the ghost. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 23:17:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81273183465; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TMScGnAdvmHlLmgtm+fBe3kdEtn8y9Q3kfbrOtsevL0=; b=KRmE9KkRPdkHIVSxu3acNZDNJ3+OqXAdOaSYZtWB/OFAzq73uO2kcTmVi5MOquT6hL 8o0ZpugQmoVyWJLTJyxm54eW7rVaeHRYwJWnBHQbZB8OxBV8XCKYlwvDok10oEiLutBv Dy6hTaLFxYRBRj7B2Ug/X08CT4bTCKQ8fCO14= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19C67299-69C2-4A9F-8615-9678E766ACDE@att.net> References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <19C67299-69C2-4A9F-8615-9678E766ACDE@att.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:17:16 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Panic Mode From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044401b011858104b74e594a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:17:17 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044401b011858104b74e594a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Get your sexy up? Big fat kick in the junk? Pep talk of the year right there. Can I hire you as my speechwriter? Phil :) On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Whoa there buckaroo. I know what you're feeling. I've felt that way. One > thing to think about is that it's good you got that out of your system > before your performance. Next, just rev up the machine and do something > loud and goofy for about 10 or 15 minutes. That'll get your sexy up. And > then, remember to use the space and situation you're playing in to tell you > what you're meant to play. All you have to do is play the truth, let your > real person come out, and remember most of all, you deserve to be up there, > no flaking, no judges. Give them a big fat kick in the junk and use their > high voices for inspiration. > > Failure? Shmailure! The audience wants you to be great, so just be... > > On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: > > > I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced > live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in > myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had > very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ > > --f46d044401b011858104b74e594a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Get your sexy up? Big fat kick in the junk? Pep talk of the year right ther= e. Can I hire you as my speechwriter?

Phil :)



On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net&g= t; wrote:
Whoa there buckaroo. =A0I know what you'= re feeling. I've felt that way. One thing to think about is that it'= ;s good you got that out of your system before your performance. Next, just= rev up the machine and do something loud and goofy for about 10 or 15 minu= tes. That'll get your sexy up. And then, remember to use the space and = situation you're playing in to tell you what you're meant to play. = All you have to do is play the truth, let your real person come out, and re= member most of all, you deserve to be up there, no flaking, no judges. Give= them a big fat kick in the junk and use their high voices for inspiration.=

Failure? Shmailure! The audience wants you to be great, so just be...

On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote:

> I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't pra= cticed live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confid= ence in myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I ha= ve had very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/


--f46d044401b011858104b74e594a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 23:37:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8494A183465; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LO6txlG4UQy2eqWBByTWkAF2pnU/BRuee6tEqi4aqkU=; b=GfA7yeJQmif5eNGyJkd1s21hlnMKfDIRgrEs6DtTwAv+mUL7spZsfi2SpX3j1G3tmG VdcLAgDegxtohkHCAf6/MYz4AG4wrT1T5xHU77WB6zC/km/oZuLi5YwmebRLNUzeVUJX 0VMnPSry0bBnYJNdasJRII1Q5rU4zlrNrMnf4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1D648B05-5301-45DE-A433-D348922ADD10@att.net> References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <19C67299-69C2-4A9F-8615-9678E766ACDE@att.net> <1D648B05-5301-45DE-A433-D348922ADD10@att.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:37:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Panic Mode From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-aLBRB.A.baB.ND0HPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, A couple things: --If it's for your youth group or your school, I bet a lot of people would be bummed if you didn't play. Not hearing you at all would be worse to them than playing a set that's not up to your standards, or where you make a few mistakes. --Your standards may be different from those of your audience. They probably want to hear you play, and sound like you, more than they are expecting a professional-level rock concert. And you sounding like you is the best thing you one can give to an audience. --I bet most of them will be floored that you're using looping technology. I've had many shows where I thought I turned out a real turd sandwich, but the audience really liked it because I was doing something they haven't heard much and nothing burst into flames. --Despite the folks your age that you may see on tv every once in a while, nobody is born a perfect musician. Having shows that are not 100% great are part of the process of becoming an experienced musician. --Despite the mythology around musicians, nobody stops being a human being when they get on stage. --Lastly, flaking is not a good habit to get into as a musician. I think there may be some forgiveness if you're a high school student and it's your youth group, but you don't want to flake on shows once you're in your 20s. It's one of those things that creates a reputation. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > There you go...Now you've got your soul back. > > Break a leg tomorrow. > > On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:45 PM, bassman wrote: > > one thing i do is to warm up and play backstage for 10-15 minutes...get > things loose... flowing... even at home - that first 15 minutes feels lik= e > it lifts a weight off my playing. > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: >> >> Whoa there buckaroo. =A0I know what you're feeling. I've felt that way. = One >> thing to think about is that it's good you got that out of your system >> before your performance. Next, just rev up the machine and do something = loud >> and goofy for about 10 or 15 minutes. That'll get your sexy up. And then= , >> remember to use the space and situation you're playing in to tell you wh= at >> you're meant to play. All you have to do is play the truth, let your rea= l >> person come out, and remember most of all, you deserve to be up there, n= o >> flaking, no judges. Give them a big fat kick in the junk and use their h= igh >> voices for inspiration. >> >> Failure? Shmailure! The audience wants you to be great, so just be... >> >> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: >> >> > I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practic= ed >> > live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confiden= ce in >> > myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have = had >> > very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 23:47:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08720183479; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 533507.39591.bm@omp1036.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1327448772; bh=BAaK1bX/qicoASFFN7fH9s5HBJLAj2KfgV3BAGRy/qU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EiqmPgszfCJlKIWgpTecwQnpLlXy6HUE/745Eu0/cyfmaxky4ksMmbqVY1RefDgp3LEkecIeFs6tg40lo1JZq/lbJKierGuKqf3O0Ya6Ml+ryHZW6DxrVIZrWE1vo9qnF4DeW5y117eDyFbdv50wVr58V4c+F6jaC9euNnmVf/Y= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6I2abNv/Ji3I57gjZcZgQIP4m+g8O4xBdoHya2w+otngQJGYeGvBGZMPoZB30nwUwRj4fAHHegrCjDkyg8QviS46d/u8K38uLL/z9SaE60w0reuhnYMPchqp/CPQjFCxccCE8nTX/tAxluEyK7MVvOGB+8GKIKpv8cBtJPAAfQc=; X-YMail-OSG: kTXU7agVM1khU8bF9MDsJAFlSu1S10C6ONnLd5W9_dfxnB5 9g1aYZfpD9d6iIjEH3dvrJYn2i6P9UdmLMuJ2YXdrO71cYF41.UmpPFltvqO JiTNkqI9BkYfGsaIdCKu02IlCCr_7yPLcjQz2F4KND1aJIvyCOLomoQQxB1Z FCPSGJf7j_DUvF6HmbyfJVd2wyuOmbrR4E0118CxmviSu.8Frnytpngj1LOy hwMtFU.4mIB63qgcytNB9zOMLaI.129.egd29PKX4RADlKVigCS0qGz2rlE_ heWT35iIJHfNLG.8SCSvzPPz12v1iR45aLHE8ZJSShwerpcCRynQr2tzdSes 6HJSGaGWnMLq0uzZH4yM20x24Ts4uOiYhlLd.o1BwzsUWT9lnas9.5o33V6h Pa1WfJtzzfuoMrY9EHKk3_hQrTBziBs1RDuXYHGEL9k.dsKhmslI3mw.sDU_ Cv8ARxs4FiDZWme1WR0fKyO6XTFYenTsA6MrOxgHIVCOKvAlQk5VjrIgoEIc JGzkWDP.yRtPPefBLnZgghj4.rLZiLtyOocqcIemj2q1CkzfYPEFHjYleqUt YOuMutMZZBBYYU2hs5YKQz2DsDxmkrBN9Z3divyMOedlqzc57ZbNz.f89p9T aAtGv7wonExjzlH8.O8onT1akLNeSXvc9uqhEFcthSpcqX4V5cr5i5dRwg2j IDr0DMQwCAWy7jl_CECg8Zy.EZ4n3o_30HdUdTtqTCRetX8_z4kmnpWU7H1t TldxQF6IaTiC.gjuhVsfhc2X3ZvMQiud3FFSaWADZbmljqIBmimBwbEiE65F 3FleTadFOjFbzPmOcjA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 Message-ID: <1327448771.80640.YahooMailClassic@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:46:11 -0800 (PST) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: Panic Mode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1460388173-2111159111-1327448771=:80640" Resent-Message-ID: <6ou9SC.A.IlB.BM0HPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:47:13 +0000 (UTC) --1460388173-2111159111-1327448771=:80640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i know where you coming from.....i host a jam tomorrow night ......and do a= solo show on Saturday....i never feel like I'm ready .....but I'll i can s= ay is.... practice ...repeat ..then practice again....then leave it to inst= inct ......your church gig should be great....most church gigs are cool ...= although i played one where they shut my sound system down on me=A0 ...lol= =A0=A0=A0 but i was pushing there buttons......he he he Kyle Dean Patten=20 P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patten+ =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten --- On Tue, 1/24/12, Gmail wrote: From: Gmail Subject: Panic Mode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 4:16 PM I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced li= ve looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in m= yself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had ve= ry little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/=20 --1460388173-2111159111-1327448771=:80640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i know where you coming from.....i host a jam tomorrow night ....= ..and do a solo show on Saturday....i never feel like I'm ready .....but I'= ll i can say is.... practice ...repeat ..then practice again....then leave = it to instinct ......your church gig should be great....most church gigs ar= e cool ...although i played one where they shut my sound system down on me&= nbsp; ...lol    but i was pushing there buttons......he he h= e

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--- On = Tue, 1/24/12, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com>
Subject: Panic = Mode
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, January 2= 4, 2012, 4:16 PM

I have a performance tomor= row at youth group (church). Haven't practiced live looping in about 2 week= s and currently have little to no confidence in myself after the session I = just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had very little time for music anyways. I= feel like flaking :/
--1460388173-2111159111-1327448771=:80640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 00:01:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26939183466; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:01:43 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Fear not! If your equipment works and you still have hands and a mind, it will come to you when you start to play. -----Original Message----- From: Gmail Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Panic Mode I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 00:08:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89A08183464; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uC7p1yR4j2ndyOQJvntYuw)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-24_08:2012-01-24,2012-01-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201240294 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:08:36 -0800 In-reply-to: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> Message-id: <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_uC7p1yR4j2ndyOQJvntYuw) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I feel like flaking :/ The real danger here is not in having to survive a struggling performance--all performing artists must endure this. The real danger is in letting your jitters manage your performance calendar. Stick to your commitments. Just share what you got-- no apology or explanation needed. Give it with gusto. And if you struggle-- do so with grace. Struggle is a welcome element in any performance art. The audience will rally for you if you let them. So be bold. Be daring. Be unapologetic. Unless of course, you choose to flake, in which case, you should apologize like crazy-- mostly, to yourself. Daniel On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: > I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ --Boundary_(ID_uC7p1yR4j2ndyOQJvntYuw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I feel like flaking = :/ 
The real danger here is not in having to = survive a struggling performance--all performing artists must endure = this.  The real danger is in letting your jitters manage your = performance calendar.  Stick to your commitments. =   

Just share what you got-- no = apology or explanation needed. Give it with gusto.  And if you = struggle-- do so with grace. Struggle is a welcome element in any = performance art.  The audience will rally for you if you let = them.
So be bold.  Be daring.  Be unapologetic. =   Unless of course, you choose to flake,  in which = case, you should apologize like crazy-- mostly, to = yourself. 

Daniel
 



   



On Jan 24, = 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote:

I = have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced = live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence = in myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have = had very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ =

= --Boundary_(ID_uC7p1yR4j2ndyOQJvntYuw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 00:10:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34482183473; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <9CCE5354-2250-4A91-8827-F80C17235128@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--896822087 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Cool product my friend gave me Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:10:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:10:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--896822087 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Though I didn't attend NAMM this year my friend and NAMM show veteran Lance Reegan-Diehl gave me one of these cool rack effect/ holders he designed for people who still have that one rack piece they want to use with there otherwise stomp box rig, but don't want to get a bulky rack case. It can double as a stand for an I pad as well, I'm actually using it in a different way, to prop up the angle of my 3 space rack bag for better viewing, so there is yet a 3rd unintended use for this thing http://www.theeffectrack.com Bill --Apple-Mail-2--896822087 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Though I didn't attend NAMM this year my friend and  NAMM show veteran Lance Reegan-Diehl gave me one of these cool rack effect/ holders he designed for people who still have that one rack piece they want to use with there otherwise stomp box rig, but don't want to get a bulky rack case.   It can double as a stand for an I pad as well, I'm actually using it in a  different way,  to prop up the angle of my 3 space rack bag for better viewing,  so there is yet a 3rd unintended use for this thing http://www.theeffectrack.com
 Bill
--Apple-Mail-2--896822087-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 00:20:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD9C183466; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=PhHDJWI9wU24mSyBan3+I38VsJuUQM7pKpd9buvsbfA=; b=LM//Scm+XlYfrgXRXcJIzHrTZ4fZ74zrFy3MSDF/DDgtOVrje9PSUaa01i5IFkUw5i +SX4alFNYyLAODAEErut0/NdGiB1KBFILAAnZa+8CsrWYWYr996fw5/QU7Xy1Jx+crNP hZe5I4FyNI/OwNxT26vcUKnaYqQr0KMa9b85g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:20:35 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GK4e7KMuvlAWbrp_SSFMqDzC114 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04447eebbddd2504b74f3cd8 Resent-Message-ID: <4ji8L.A.GPC.or0HPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:20:56 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04447eebbddd2504b74f3cd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM, andy butler wrote: > ...and Francombe, are you listening, there's now a way to > trigger the switches from Note-Ons...wasn't there some stuff you wanted to > do syncing the to the EDP which could > have been done using those timing notes that the edp puts out? > very interesting.. hav to thingk.. i AM using the note OUTS from EDP to trigger a comparator to make triggers on my modular.. was that what you meant? theres one not on the down beat and one PER beat I think... Jeez I gotta sell something... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04447eebbddd2504b74f3cd8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
...and Francombe, are you listening, there's now a way= to
trigger the switches from Note-Ons...wasn't there some stuff you wanted= to do syncing the to the EDP which could
have been done using those timing notes that the edp puts out?

very interesting.. hav to thingk.. i AM using the note OUTS = from EDP to trigger a comparator to make triggers on my modular.. was that = what you meant?=A0 theres one not on the down beat and one PER beat I think= ...

Jeez I gotta sell something...


-- =
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d04447eebbddd2504b74f3cd8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 00:31:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E561F183473; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=VQPXVulZZ61SsTXhqcsuFh9F8Eah4aklBsHCgWUiPOg=; b=EBiSuDYWS7VoL2aDoxAp7u0U0kbrJfARDdUkO/csrg7zk71lMWHJxTMa7zs1SDnQQH XbxJSJcAmWPILNpkB25UxU7nv/PxuSa/3NWEzbC/MOczbHyLvIUw3QFX6GccznSmvI45 nopZ4SHFGma3MrWSTdJ8KvmdxfWOBWv8+Oo80= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <9A8248D0-E78A-46AE-89A4-45B80DC95DF0@gmail.com> References: <9A8248D0-E78A-46AE-89A4-45B80DC95DF0@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:31:08 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: iClw-SQ-n9obko0JImI1qscflAo Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04447efd76e05604b74f62d6 Resent-Message-ID: <-0YI-C.A.3YC.h10HPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:31:29 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04447efd76e05604b74f62d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:46 PM, F_Anile wrote: > you'll see this title "craft is gone". > Since I mostly consider myself as a musician, that's a point often present > in my mind. > I wonder what do you think about that statement. > The film is excellent, but very... um ... cynical. Remember Art (and Craft) is primarily for yourself. Of course leaning to play the Lute, is pointless if all you want to do is "sound like a lute". But if you want to play the Lute, you still need craft. I dont HAVE to hire actors now... I COULD program digital ones, but frankly its much more boring, and thats it, you dont HAVE to become good at anything, but that thing that your love to do, will be worth doing for real. Read the Diamond Age by Neil Stevenson. IN a world where all things can now be created, diamonds for example, in the kitchen, by programming the Nano-oven, and adding carbon...then, eventually wood, real wood... from trees becomes a status item. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04447efd76e05604b74f62d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:46 PM, F_Anile <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
=
you'll see this title "craft is gone".
Since I mostly consider myself as a musician, that's a point often pres= ent in my mind.
I wonder what do you think about that statement.

The film is excellent, but very... um ... cynical.
Remember Art (a= nd Craft) is primarily for yourself. Of course leaning to play the Lute, is= pointless if all you want to do is "sound like a lute". But if y= ou want to play the Lute, you still need craft.

I dont HAVE to hire actors now... I COULD program digital ones, but fra= nkly its much more boring, and thats it, you dont HAVE to become good at an= ything, but that thing that your love to do, will be worth doing for real.<= br>
Read the Diamond Age by Neil Stevenson. IN a world where all things can= now be created, diamonds for example, in the kitchen, by programming the N= ano-oven, and adding carbon...then, eventually wood, real wood... from tree= s becomes a status item.




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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d04447efd76e05604b74f62d6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 01:25:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C03B183466; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=EYzbSQA2RpJ5URxPFiNTv3uByRv7wvdrEG4ElnV5S9I=; b=cI4HDHYsRVUbuLYOgCWFTgDr6BUBixNJxxzhBRi6LN39DZNjVAudyc7OaqqY/rzmdh h7frN3eoPv03jetAXvIHc+xzQvelFphZCKiT6pHl+Exf073Jnqis+QL+yYQvEdTCISBQ eo6PETDC8kVwRRylhoCVSxjnzFGMl/cgL57Os= Subject: Re: Panic Mode References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B1E8BD02-687F-4588-8355-01AECB2722E6 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:25:10 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:25:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-B1E8BD02-687F-4588-8355-01AECB2722E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks everyone for the advice I feel a lot better now. The one thing that b= others me is I rarely get into the music. I stand up there all tense but sha= ky worrying that I look stupid. I dont know why and it bugs the nuts outa me= because I want to actually enjoy the music myself so I can make it s better= experience. On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: >> I feel like flaking :/=20 > The real danger here is not in having to survive a struggling performance-= -all performing artists must endure this. The real danger is in letting you= r jitters manage your performance calendar. Stick to your commitments. =20= >=20 > Just share what you got-- no apology or explanation needed. Give it with g= usto. And if you struggle-- do so with grace. Struggle is a welcome element= in any performance art. The audience will rally for you if you let them. > So be bold. Be daring. Be unapologetic. Unless of course, you choose t= o flake, in which case, you should apologize like crazy-- mostly, to yourse= lf.=20 >=20 > Daniel > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: >=20 >> I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced l= ive looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in m= yself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had ver= y little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-B1E8BD02-687F-4588-8355-01AECB2722E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Thanks everyone for the ad= vice I feel a lot better now. The one thing that bothers me is I rarely get i= nto the music. I stand up there all tense but shaky worrying that I look stu= pid. I dont know why and it bugs the nuts outa me because I want to actually= enjoy the music myself so I can make it s better experience.

= On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrote:

I feel like f= laking :/ 
The real danger here is not in having= to survive a struggling performance--all performing artists must endure thi= s.  The real danger is in letting your jitters manage your performance c= alendar.  Stick to your commitments.   

<= div>Just share what you got-- no apology or explanation needed. Give it with= gusto.  And if you struggle-- do so with grace. Struggle is a welcome e= lement in any performance art.  The audience will rally for you if you l= et them.
So be bold.  Be daring.  Be unapologetic.  = ; Unless of course, you choose to flake,  in which case, you= should apologize like crazy-- mostly, to yourself. 
=
Daniel
 



   



On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote:

I have a perf= ormance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced live looping in a= bout 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in myself after the s= ession I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had very little time for= music anyways. I feel like flaking :/

= --Apple-Mail-B1E8BD02-687F-4588-8355-01AECB2722E6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 01:37:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7E63183474; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ikDvM++ig2AwxajJ9AIuaRlFUe6/BJjHIEahrGzekqs=; b=GkySxTvcSLagASi60KPbUITJpahHaEwJKaWLyua7ITY0d8oXcv0SfDrWf5wmSQEVbA B75RI0DshTHk5MdThdbPVIvQQv3tolG4V8Ip1PIO0d0uin2wTDO+pG+q0URgt/4igkV3 hOlapOrUxTzlwxjg03XrcalOTjmqAquRW/V7w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:36:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Panic Mode From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Just tell yourself that no one comes to your gig hoping to see you fuck up. Repeat as often as required. It does the trick for me every time (that and the litany against fear: http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Litany_Against_Fear ). Sylvain On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Gmail wrote: > Thanks everyone for the advice I feel a lot better now. The one thing tha= t > bothers me is I rarely get into the music. I stand up there all tense but > shaky worrying that I look stupid. I dont know why and it bugs the nuts o= uta > me because I want to actually enjoy the music myself so I can make it s > better experience. > > On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: > > I feel like flaking :/ > > The real danger here is not in having to survive a struggling > performance--all performing artists must endure this. =A0The real danger = is in > letting your jitters manage your performance calendar. =A0Stick to your > commitments. > > Just share what you got-- no apology or explanation needed. Give it with > gusto. =A0And if you struggle-- do so with grace. Struggle is a welcome > element in any performance art. =A0The audience will rally for you if you= let > them. > So be bold. =A0Be daring. =A0Be unapologetic. =A0=A0Unless of course, you= choose to > flake, =A0in which case, you should apologize like crazy-- mostly, to > yourself. > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: > > I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced > live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence = in > myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had > very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 03:42:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CFAC183466; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 03:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=xAeGIOHYByelS3BnoIMA:9 a=mpiXjaeGnBO3QyqVBCcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Unsubscribe From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:42:13 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <91025069-BC5A-49F6-A037-05F2AEC3962D@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 03:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Larry, You almost got it right. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the = subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Notice that that is not the same email address you send LD messages to. If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your = unsubscribe request to: Good luck next try. Best, Ted On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Larry Salzman wrote: > Unsubscribe=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 08:33:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE46183477; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Jib7QfrKux5n9HTH6RTb32qIfh3ZUxPfAgGxyssL0u0=; b=nVZxRxSjCQQar2RUpAWaOSkvDMK5We0rC3iJofHFV2pjRXAJb1oD3L0ZasR6i4HhuY eofNlzt2RrTinCTTj0UwIdKoLms8AmnUNY1fPExq0pBld0dFzLihsz2SjDOMhb74Qigt yNLdXWBu8qV3nxRE39oFRXwY95u+NWqPLZOl8= References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:32:58 +0100 Message-ID: <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Panic Mode To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:33:05 +0000 (UTC) I guess its over now and i hope it went well. The only advice i can give is that everyone feels like you do, and the less often you play the worse it gets. play often... does the fear of failure sub side? no, but you learn to enjoy it i have been making a webpage trying to remember every gig i have played... its over 800, still get terrified the day before... Even to 20 people. m Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 25 Jan 2012, at 02:37, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Just tell yourself that no one comes to your gig hoping to see you > fuck up. Repeat as often as required. It does the trick for me every > time (that and the litany against fear: > http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Litany_Against_Fear ). > Sylvain > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Gmail wrote: >> Thanks everyone for the advice I feel a lot better now. The one thing that >> bothers me is I rarely get into the music. I stand up there all tense but >> shaky worrying that I look stupid. I dont know why and it bugs the nuts outa >> me because I want to actually enjoy the music myself so I can make it s >> better experience. >> >> On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: >> >> I feel like flaking :/ >> >> The real danger here is not in having to survive a struggling >> performance--all performing artists must endure this. The real danger is in >> letting your jitters manage your performance calendar. Stick to your >> commitments. >> >> Just share what you got-- no apology or explanation needed. Give it with >> gusto. And if you struggle-- do so with grace. Struggle is a welcome >> element in any performance art. The audience will rally for you if you let >> them. >> So be bold. Be daring. Be unapologetic. Unless of course, you choose to >> flake, in which case, you should apologize like crazy-- mostly, to >> yourself. >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: >> >> I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practiced >> live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidence in >> myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have had >> very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 09:05:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 980B2183477; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bGwNLGblDyjrBH7U8hrLD9ZHS5uPj66tXZM7UYrrh20=; b=dcQndb4TmZv8/pTnn9zaWxYdgZ3r3Jax1N/M5D4dvueDZuXw1JVzMR+cfs/Rvs68Ot nkOFZD3Q+bGOSf+FYk/mep1dhu9u5k7O8fUwMI2LMh66IguIAAWUsn1GAf1jCSqhM9Cw K0TU98mXiAqAnHRWzaEyNHmSp6PDmqsDpBCDw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:05:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <1tkuRD.A.ObG.oX8HPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:05:44 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:20 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Jeez I gotta sell something... You may need to sell more... this summer will introduce the Waldorf Pulse 2!!! Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 09:14:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 205DC183479; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=OGf4rdvwOW1AC+4Ku7BXbR4Uu31kgGjZPXGpo4qHC0A=; b=A1eLV8asoIPOnkD6lH7N1u3kILBeybhvog6e299NoMZLCbox7gnRYq+eypVdYF4mRX JwJL0ynKtAyLGpDNMbllyqhudvPZhW2EkpEma4poxYLezpI/Mah+Ft0O4qjF/vZMoiJq nGK0mOYxDPCY8ucaN9NQZ6v7R/XviRLtF0XeY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:13:59 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rHOeoAQn_sKeJYz33_4zQi7t_aE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6438c252b15404b756b0f9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:14:21 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6438c252b15404b756b0f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im done with analog modelling synths... Ive gone old skool now.. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Waldorf Pulse 2 -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f6438c252b15404b756b0f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im done with analog modelling synths... Ive=A0 gone old skool now..

=
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Waldorf Pulse 2



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--e89a8f6438c252b15404b756b0f9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 09:16:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13CD4183479; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EaQgsvS8rEQwR1QeI4W05q3kvYb3O09uUPjWqYrUn8o=; b=qVn+ehD62hyHsn5rvDHaRgdpxh5gCoZTrGfAuSJ3zaQHvsLUCoK2gd0wJCUkOfNkHM wfb0Bajwy6YnYWt/z1o1ucGzRDc2O2JfRcSHjLfi0I4rUu/kvlDTf7ALB4nBcXJPDc5F XlOqQuI9MeS+ty+ZQLyhyYYGvezcdX+iRIz2I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:16:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Panic Mode From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8OAl1C.A.1qG.-h8HPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:16:47 +0000 (UTC) never start with complicated things,think of the one piece of music that you always feel is a breeze and know you do and sound at best,if its improv then start as well with simple techniques,don't try to show all you can do at the beginning if the devices or the buttons you have to push is what makes you nervous don't even use it at the beginning,who says you have to? if its all those racks or pedals,take less,avoid anything that is going to cause malfunctions,plan ahead, sketch or note your improvs if it helps and dont put yourself in the discomfort zone at the beginning;-) once you get past that initial rush and feel a bit more relaxed go for the discomfort zone and never forget to smile and an eye wink in between;-) Luis On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:32 AM, mark francombe w= rote: > I guess its over now and i hope it went well. The only advice i can > give is that everyone feels like you do, and the less often you play > the worse it gets. play often... does the fear of failure sub side? > no, but you learn to enjoy it > > i have been making a webpage trying to remember every gig i have > played... its over 800, still get terrified the day before... > > Even to 20 people. > > > > m > > > > > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 25 Jan 2012, at 02:37, Sylvain Poitras wr= ote: > >> Just tell yourself that no one comes to your gig hoping to see you >> fuck up. =A0Repeat as often as required. =A0It does the trick for me eve= ry >> time (that and the litany against fear: >> http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Litany_Against_Fear ). >> Sylvain >> >> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Gmail wrote: >>> Thanks everyone for the advice I feel a lot better now. The one thing t= hat >>> bothers me is I rarely get into the music. I stand up there all tense b= ut >>> shaky worrying that I look stupid. I dont know why and it bugs the nuts= outa >>> me because I want to actually enjoy the music myself so I can make it s >>> better experience. >>> >>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Daniel Thomas wrot= e: >>> >>> I feel like flaking :/ >>> >>> The real danger here is not in having to survive a struggling >>> performance--all performing artists must endure this. =A0The real dange= r is in >>> letting your jitters manage your performance calendar. =A0Stick to your >>> commitments. >>> >>> Just share what you got-- no apology or explanation needed. Give it wit= h >>> gusto. =A0And if you struggle-- do so with grace. Struggle is a welcome >>> element in any performance art. =A0The audience will rally for you if y= ou let >>> them. >>> So be bold. =A0Be daring. =A0Be unapologetic. =A0 Unless of course, you= choose to >>> flake, =A0in which case, you should apologize like crazy-- mostly, to >>> yourself. >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: >>> >>> I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't practice= d >>> live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no confidenc= e in >>> myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have h= ad >>> very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ >>> >>> >> > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 09:17:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF90C183474; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XAPBdu273sy6K4VU74WBX++4UGsZ3MnlAVG7502gxSk=; b=auaRdJynnsv7Q4qsLXn2o9el5oD06GUds4WXweJOQJEWPSBNCT8Vttua4vQ813RTCP nmoSlrD+KfBcEmS6zcCmmu4Uuxj5evEAFpSBf6CsoEihoTCPQ4tNnBOx8g3TSX3nH2Zm Hti8yZoDkdZlCLF9Jyt+2PrwJZScatlztzk5Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9CCE5354-2250-4A91-8827-F80C17235128@baymoon.com> References: <9CCE5354-2250-4A91-8827-F80C17235128@baymoon.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:17:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cool product my friend gave me From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <53YOYC.A.uwG.Vi8HPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Super elegant product! I didn't even know it existed. During my "tube top days" I've been hauling around irregularly shaped chunks of rubber, so stupid when I could have looked much cooler with this piece of tasteful design. Another product worth mentioning is that mechanic motorized wind shield wiper like thingy Neal Young used to turn knobs on his gear by remote control. Funny little robot box. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:10 AM, William Walker wr= ote: > Though I didn't attend NAMM this year my friend and =C2=A0NAMM show veter= an=C2=A0Lance > Reegan-Diehl=C2=A0gave me one of these cool rack effect/ holders he desig= ned for > people who still have that one rack piece they want to use with there > otherwise stomp box rig, but don't want to get a bulky rack case. =C2=A0 = It can > double as a stand for an I pad as well, I'm actually using it in a > =C2=A0different way, =C2=A0to prop up the angle of my 3 space rack bag fo= r better > viewing, =C2=A0so there is yet a 3rd unintended use for this > thing=C2=A0http://www.theeffectrack.com > =C2=A0Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 09:18:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48764183466; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0iDksg6LgXvqROGL0Ue+ox+1RTxE+zcVeGRwTf2rAA0=; b=fCxjBGSDfToI5GrY1s2/SfTAWW+cmd7jmYGDiMaLaFSTC0NJHz6TjPswJKhPx+Y+gZ P5C5x5U6wukJAkbWfvY1jH4wz2H4WfN99xNlSsoKPyO2lmlA7ZPuEIhM16woOtmZdNLg P4Jnd0j4qzKyQao4MrXHW/Vdvc4lkqzN4XyoI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:18:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <1XTUO.A.61G.Bk8HPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Read up dood this is analog http://www.waldorfmusic.de/pulse-2-overview.html On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:13 AM, mark francombe w= rote: > Im done with analog modelling synths... Ive=C2=A0 gone old skool now.. > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Waldorf Pulse 2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 12:38:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6878F183477; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=aKOlCadlccZLf7M4eE+qzobTAFQaZJXzZk0bUrj1glI=; b=ZUIycQKoKN0+9c4136bnSF5H0rvvGzVRcCJlGATm45Q8kemXVZ4u6kNE9uSy0LqZ+v BaUucp9GUFPmYXzH4shD7M2O/bsR/0Vl7eFOtE6zlpTxQ+jsQ4u8jdfdgBNHfzf2AfaO QPgJ+bXRy8J+pv+dpJgpDjI/YjOc37SJR0P/E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:38:07 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6IJ5qaz5Hb5ueO6UxHntyloc0k0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04479fa15bc9a604b7598abb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:38:29 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04479fa15bc9a604b7598abb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ahh.. yes I did read that actually.. I should have made myself clear.. I own/ have owned a bunch of analog modelling synths and sound-wise, im totally happy... nothing wrong with a good digital emulation.. But when it comes to synths, I'm after something a little different now... I love to patch, with cables, so I am in the process of selling all my hardware synth "boxes" and exchanging them for modules. If I need a "phat" bass.. Ill probably use a plug-in. But nothing will replace the physical joy of sitting on my bean-bag infront of a wall of knobs, with cables around my neck... Even though I'm a very experienced synthesist, I still mis-use the term analog.. I mean KNOBS... anything with up/down buttons and menus, is digital in my book, even if it has valves! Have to say though that this box.. does look sweeeeet man!! Mark On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Read up dood this is analog > http://www.waldorfmusic.de/pulse-2-overview.html > > > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:13 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Im done with analog modelling synths... Ive gone old skool now.. > > > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Per Boysen > wrote: > >> > >> Waldorf Pulse 2 > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04479fa15bc9a604b7598abb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh.. yes I did read that actually.. I should have made myself clear.. I ow= n/ have owned a bunch of analog modelling synths and sound-wise, im totally= happy... nothing wrong with a good digital emulation.. But when it comes t= o synths, I'm after something a little different now...
I love to patch, with cables, so I am in the process of selling all my hard= ware synth "boxes" and exchanging them for modules. If I need a &= quot;phat" bass.. Ill probably use a plug-in. But nothing will replace= the physical joy of sitting on my bean-bag infront of a wall of knobs, wit= h cables around my neck...

Even though I'm a very experienced synthesist, I still mis-use the = term analog.. I mean KNOBS... anything with up/down buttons and menus, is d= igital in my book, even if it has valves!

Have to say though that th= is box.. does look sweeeeet man!!



Mark






On W= ed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Read up dood this is analog
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/pulse-2-overview.html



On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:13 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Im done with analog modelling synths... Ive=A0 gone old skool now.. >
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Waldorf Pulse 2




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d04479fa15bc9a604b7598abb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 12:57:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A495183477; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oXTOOiFyY0/uEZXb2kU/6mbbP4Bvcj2VMVMot27yZdI=; b=mbIfCSN/Q2eMHyAuFL3T/Q9EJcoJFePQA7Qh/dDoY0tJpU0CQbrJb5ltydVdhjqpfJ cHfuvQ3TWjKyGgvL32immhczTIANuf8rZWzUN4HbotoyA27swpVMUlsSGW0EnN5tGU3Q 86RXlhjylBRJqG0N81f+G6IkDkQbd+7gXlxvA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:57:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Panic Mode From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b7fa19e0004b759ced6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:57:35 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340b7fa19e0004b759ced6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 After 20 odd years of performing with bands, duos etc, I did my first solo looping performance on 2010, December. I was nervous as hell before, but proud afterwards. The only thing we have to fear is the fear itself - go and do your thing! 2012/1/25 Louie Angulo > never start with complicated things,think of the one piece of music > that you always feel is a breeze and know you do and sound at best,if > its improv then start as well with simple techniques,don't try to show > all you can do at the beginning > if the devices or the buttons you have to push is what makes you > nervous don't even use it at the beginning,who says you have to? > if its all those racks or pedals,take less,avoid anything that is > going to cause malfunctions,plan ahead, sketch or note your improvs if > it helps and dont put yourself in the discomfort zone at the > beginning;-) > once you get past that initial rush and feel a bit more relaxed go for > the discomfort zone and never forget to smile and an eye wink in > between;-) > Luis > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:32 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > I guess its over now and i hope it went well. The only advice i can > > give is that everyone feels like you do, and the less often you play > > the worse it gets. play often... does the fear of failure sub side? > > no, but you learn to enjoy it > > > > i have been making a webpage trying to remember every gig i have > > played... its over 800, still get terrified the day before... > > > > Even to 20 people. > > > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > > > On 25 Jan 2012, at 02:37, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: > > > >> Just tell yourself that no one comes to your gig hoping to see you > >> fuck up. Repeat as often as required. It does the trick for me every > >> time (that and the litany against fear: > >> http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Litany_Against_Fear ). > >> Sylvain > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Gmail wrote: > >>> Thanks everyone for the advice I feel a lot better now. The one thing > that > >>> bothers me is I rarely get into the music. I stand up there all tense > but > >>> shaky worrying that I look stupid. I dont know why and it bugs the > nuts outa > >>> me because I want to actually enjoy the music myself so I can make it s > >>> better experience. > >>> > >>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Daniel Thomas > wrote: > >>> > >>> I feel like flaking :/ > >>> > >>> The real danger here is not in having to survive a struggling > >>> performance--all performing artists must endure this. The real danger > is in > >>> letting your jitters manage your performance calendar. Stick to your > >>> commitments. > >>> > >>> Just share what you got-- no apology or explanation needed. Give it > with > >>> gusto. And if you struggle-- do so with grace. Struggle is a welcome > >>> element in any performance art. The audience will rally for you if > you let > >>> them. > >>> So be bold. Be daring. Be unapologetic. Unless of course, you > choose to > >>> flake, in which case, you should apologize like crazy-- mostly, to > >>> yourself. > >>> > >>> Daniel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: > >>> > >>> I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven't > practiced > >>> live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no > confidence in > >>> myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so I have > had > >>> very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/ > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > > -- Petri --14dae9340b7fa19e0004b759ced6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After 20 odd years of performing with bands, duos etc,=A0 I did my first so= lo looping performance on 2010, December.
I was nervous as hell before, = but proud afterwards.
The only thing we have to fear is the fear itself = - go and do your thing!

2012/1/25 Louie Angulo <= ;louie.angulo@googlemail.com= >
never start with complicated things,think of the one piece of music
that you always feel is a breeze and know you do and sound at best,if
its improv then start as well with simple techniques,don't try to show<= br> all you can do at the beginning
if the devices or the buttons you have to push is what makes you
nervous don't even use it at the beginning,who says you have to?
if its all those racks or pedals,take less,avoid anything that is
going to cause malfunctions,plan ahead, sketch or note your improvs if
it helps and dont put yourself in the discomfort zone at the
beginning;-)
once you get past that initial rush and feel a bit more relaxed go for
the discomfort zone and never forget to smile and an eye wink in
between;-)
Luis

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:32 AM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess its over now and i hope it went well. The only advice i can > give is that everyone feels like you do, and the less often you play > the worse it gets. play often... does the fear of failure sub side? > no, but you learn to enjoy it
>
> i have been making a webpage trying to remember every gig i have
> played... its over 800, still get terrified the day before...
>
> Even to 20 people.
>
>
>
> m
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my (advertisement removed)
>
> On 25 Jan 2012, at 02:37, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just tell yourself that no one comes to your gig hoping to see you=
>> fuck up. =A0Repeat as often as required. =A0It does the trick for = me every
>> time (that and the litany against fear:
>> http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Litany_Against_Fear ).
>> Sylvain
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks everyone for the advice I feel a lot better now. The on= e thing that
>>> bothers me is I rarely get into the music. I stand up there al= l tense but
>>> shaky worrying that I look stupid. I dont know why and it bugs= the nuts outa
>>> me because I want to actually enjoy the music myself so I can = make it s
>>> better experience.
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel like flaking :/
>>>
>>> The real danger here is not in having to survive a struggling<= br> >>> performance--all performing artists must endure this. =A0The r= eal danger is in
>>> letting your jitters manage your performance calendar. =A0Stic= k to your
>>> commitments.
>>>
>>> Just share what you got-- no apology or explanation needed. Gi= ve it with
>>> gusto. =A0And if you struggle-- do so with grace. Struggle is = a welcome
>>> element in any performance art. =A0The audience will rally for= you if you let
>>> them.
>>> So be bold. =A0Be daring. =A0Be unapologetic. =A0 Unless of co= urse, you choose to
>>> flake, =A0in which case, you should apologize like crazy-- mos= tly, to
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a performance tomorrow at youth group (church). Haven&#= 39;t practiced
>>> live looping in about 2 weeks and currently have little to no = confidence in
>>> myself after the session I just had. Plus it is finals week so= I have had
>>> very little time for music anyways. I feel like flaking :/
>>>
>>>
>>
>



--
www.luis-angulo.co= m




--
Petri

--14dae9340b7fa19e0004b759ced6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 13:32:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EC92183475; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fGtlHedGNWe5LZk1rISLw0x40DmnbfBTt0z7iDIid9Q=; b=b7/ebEHyiuUJKefsVhtmwZ5sjj1DbyQWF7ihOhKR1u1yDRZ1EjRoIJP3BCqR25WMNi Pql/TtoehJ6j+N+iYJQevGnVCiwNLVeC+jRQw2s7WHpbVL01GjW8aM6bQvxrd7zpV7Rd jXNy23ZoJGxcTATqjLFpfaPZ96T180wlfvNGE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:32:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Dear Spagetti Maestro, I see. You might not the most faithful Mac-Guy but you truly are a Hands-On-Guy. :-) On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:38 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > Ahh.. yes I did read that actually.. I should have made myself clear.. I > own/ have owned a bunch of analog modelling synths and sound-wise, im > totally happy... nothing wrong with a good digital emulation.. But when i= t > comes to synths, I'm after something a little different now... > I love to patch, with cables, so I am in the process of selling all my > hardware synth "boxes" and exchanging them for modules. If I need a "phat= " > bass.. Ill probably use a plug-in. But nothing will replace the physical = joy > of sitting on my bean-bag infront of a wall of knobs, with cables around = my > neck... > > Even though I'm a very experienced synthesist, I still mis-use the term > analog.. I mean KNOBS... anything with up/down buttons and menus, is digi= tal > in my book, even if it has valves! > > Have to say though that this box.. does look sweeeeet man!! > > > > Mark > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Read up dood this is analog >> http://www.waldorfmusic.de/pulse-2-overview.html >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:13 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > Im done with analog modelling synths... Ive=C2=A0 gone old skool now.. >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Per Boysen >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Waldorf Pulse 2 >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 15:00:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77B49183486; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=wEAkdzOwLPa2KVcopuvBIfOgLQ03UoTImQ+yMSvBzFY=; b=QC0fPg7VZ9hLjOonT7Tw0fft/dDMBeYkfrvcWHH+t/QH+5N5flAxMQFS/abha0X5T8 Kgr8l+wAab/xwIV+QJLp8ogNdxIOMGsoOZqaCszGvyX+JBzpSlZDhcndiDdFdCyX2ZhY 72gXDIf7CIID1yVq0ZBufbdJlSdK2s4SP4k24= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:00:04 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Best way to set up a POD HD500 and Boomerang III for recording To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340c5d137eeb04b75b8683 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:00:27 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340c5d137eeb04b75b8683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Right now, I have the HD500 (in the mail) first and the Boomerang last in the chain. This way, I can setup up loops with different tones. The con is I can't take advantage of the HD500's outputs for direct recording to the computer. I have a two channel Mackie Blackjack interface to record with. My understanding is I can take a 1/4" output from the Boomerang and run it into the Blackjack. However, for gigs, I'd have to use a DI to go front of house. For those familiar with these pedals, can you confirm that this is the best setup for direct recording? Thanks!!! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --14dae9340c5d137eeb04b75b8683 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right now, I have the HD500 (in the mail) first and the Boomerang last in t= he chain.=A0 This way, I can setup up loops with different tones.=A0 The co= n is I can't take advantage of the HD500's outputs for direct recor= ding to the computer.=A0 I have a two channel Mackie Blackjack interface to= record with.=A0 My understanding is I can take a 1/4" output from the= Boomerang and run it into the Blackjack.=A0 However, for gigs, I'd hav= e to use a DI to go front of house.

For those familiar with these pedals, can you confirm that this is the = best setup for direct recording?=A0 Thanks!!!
----------Mike Fugazzi
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--14dae9340c5d137eeb04b75b8683-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 15:58:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62DC2183477; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2026B9.4060401@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:58:49 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Panic Mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:58:58 +0000 (UTC) I've heard it said, "A good Shakespearean actor does a really good job of portraying Hamlet during each show. A truly great Shakespearean actor will come to the theater on a day where the IRS has audited them, their lover of several years has just left them and they have a really bad cold and still do a version of Hamlet that feels like you've never seen the play before. I have finally learned this about our work and our performance: We are NOT our emotions. We have emotions and they flow through us. To say one day that we feel cold and on another day that we feel hot................are we hot or are we cold as a human being? If one day we feel afraid and 30 minutes after walking on stage we don't feel afraid at all.............are we intrinsically afraid or confident as human beings? The thing that is true is that human beings mistakenly associate their feelings with their existential state on a constant basis. What also seems to be true is that when we clinch up and 'white knuckle' it that our emotions have much more power over us than if we relax, breathe deeply and let the emotions flow through us. The great Shakespearean actor doesn't 'feel' great necessarily, but they have the ability to make people think that they 'are' feeling great. I've come to regard performing on stage as acting. I used to think that if I didn't feel inspired that it was somehow cheating if I played in such a way that the audience thought I was inspired. After dozens and dozens of performances that I felt horrible about only to be confronted by either reports from the audience that I was having a really good performance or even listening to the tapes afterwards and being favorably impressed with the results despite how I felt, I finally got that I just needed to act confident when I walked on stage whether I felt that way or not. Personally, I"m frightened almost every single time I get onstage, but I heard someone say that you can call that adrenalated state, 'stage fright' or you can think of it as 'stage energy'. With the latter, it's just a manipulative condition that we can use to our advantage and to the advantage of the audience's perception of our performance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 16:02:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44FDE183477; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F20279A.3090709@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:02:34 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Petri Lahtinen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Panic Mode References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:02:42 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > After 20 odd years of performing with bands, duos etc, I did my first > solo looping performance on 2010, December. > I was nervous as hell before, but proud afterwards. > The only thing we have to fear is the fear itself - go and do your thing! Ahaaaa, then I shall book you for the looping festival in October, Petri!!!!!! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 17:50:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5889E183489; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Panic Mode Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:50:13 -0600 Message-ID: <011b01ccdb89$cb875bf0$629613d0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Aczbib9/mX3LOg6fRVK4QeD5RS2bJw== x-vipre-scanned: 0283202A002CBE02832177 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Great points, Rick. It's interesting how language reinforces this as well. For example, in English(american) when people are hot or cold, they'll often say, "I'm cold." or "I'm really warm." They also say, "I'm scared." In other languages, such as, say Ukrainian, one would say, "It's cold to me" or "I feel cold". (That's how you can tell American born people that learn Ukrainian, they'll say, in Ukrainian, "I am cold." It's a give away that they're thinking in English.) My point is, to Rick's point, how we feel is not who we are at the deepest level. We are and can always be more. I still get people who come up to me and say they remember this one performance I gave. I had a brutal cold that day, but people remember the gig and how much emotion was packed into it. Both my folks were no strangers to the stage from a musical/acting perspective. "The show must go on," is something that was part of my upbringing in many ways. You commit, you do it. (Probably to the consternation of many, as when in fourth grade, despite feeling sick in the morning (I actually had the mumps!), I gave a performance at a puppet show and then AFTER went to the nurse so she could call my mom. :-) ) Having said that, there is something to the discussion we had on LD that mentioned, "People can hear when you smile." Check out this Zappos training video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo3sMaH-h9M . I remember in a dance troupe how we would all remind each other, before going on stage, to smile on stage, even when in pain, even when the dance went awry. It was more than looking good. It helped to create the right impression physically. http://bipolar.about.com/cs/humor/a/000802_smile.htm Our bodies react to how are faces look as do others react to our faces. Acting is indeed what we do when we flash a smile and fake it till we make it. That's okay! We are a curious, evolving mixture of acting and not acting - giving people what they came to see, yet sharing of who we are at our cores. We are all gifts of what we do and what we are. Being afraid to share that is normal. The great news is that regardless of how the gig goes, good or not so good, we are always way more than what people see and experience, and we always have the potential to share more, another glorious facet, each time we step on stage. For that matter, each morning we wake... -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:59 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Re: Re: Panic Mode I've heard it said, "A good Shakespearean actor does a really good job of portraying Hamlet during each show. A truly great Shakespearean actor will come to the theater on a day where the IRS has audited them, their lover of several years has just left them and they have a really bad cold and still do a version of Hamlet that feels like you've never seen the play before. I have finally learned this about our work and our performance: We are NOT our emotions. We have emotions and they flow through us. To say one day that we feel cold and on another day that we feel hot................are we hot or are we cold as a human being? If one day we feel afraid and 30 minutes after walking on stage we don't feel afraid at all.............are we intrinsically afraid or confident as human beings? The thing that is true is that human beings mistakenly associate their feelings with their existential state on a constant basis. What also seems to be true is that when we clinch up and 'white knuckle' it that our emotions have much more power over us than if we relax, breathe deeply and let the emotions flow through us. The great Shakespearean actor doesn't 'feel' great necessarily, but they have the ability to make people think that they 'are' feeling great. I've come to regard performing on stage as acting. I used to think that if I didn't feel inspired that it was somehow cheating if I played in such a way that the audience thought I was inspired. After dozens and dozens of performances that I felt horrible about only to be confronted by either reports from the audience that I was having a really good performance or even listening to the tapes afterwards and being favorably impressed with the results despite how I felt, I finally got that I just needed to act confident when I walked on stage whether I felt that way or not. Personally, I"m frightened almost every single time I get onstage, but I heard someone say that you can call that adrenalated state, 'stage fright' or you can think of it as 'stage energy'. With the latter, it's just a manipulative condition that we can use to our advantage and to the advantage of the audience's perception of our performance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 18:58:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FDE518348A; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=IuWxuOS5sSBbn7gP73Jclm8g1fj7m3HE/xRyIW0hR9c=; b=PGKUYLNKXTGO177EnGIhu98g6dcrMi4p+5Mt8XN9oKJ9+PSD5Lh1xosuGPbeeBLGNA xWasZ3fkKcZK5ZQ++PwCZKXILBRBrBGwcLJOT75JJetE8KY2IBK92FV2QB2ZjnCbiCLy vgINvweaydKmlps/oTomETIfvu2oGpX5CT6+E= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1983812086 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boundary="--------MB_8CEA9BD78047B0F_C20_B2455_webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35363-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.164.196] Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:14:33 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1327526074; bh=ygRtLJJIv4fF6R9irtc1U0P0VBTwqOegHPKD5o3xcS8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lfxiD0BcjDvzLRXerXKlOoiyptNAcz9wgvfl9SnQEK9epSsTa+ifqaVp2zCH+GmP5 Nuoh6TMMEKEmPatVcm+d8pteEZplVcAoZy2UiY6nNRUQ8Cu/1Pf/anJESEnraZT4YH 0UgO3R8P2OWV7Hj0bZaGqgbGXs63XMqiBxbyG+Xc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:340829920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4f2070b9123f Resent-Message-ID: <1WA-rC.A.M4F.CDHIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:14:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEA9BD78047B0F_C20_B2455_webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" wear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD AND FA= ST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing them what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, it i= s a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make friends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know tha= t you are a looper, all things will change in your life! =20 ----------MB_8CEA9BD78047B0F_C20_B2455_webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" wear a tin foil hat, this will make= you invisable.....then play LOUD AND FAST.....or you could draw the audien= ce in by showing

them what looping is, if t= hey are not hip to it yet.....make converts, it is a church group, no?.....= the PANIC never goes away, make

friends with that energy..= ...have FUN!.....but remember, once they know that you are a looper, all th= ings will change in your life!
----------MB_8CEA9BD78047B0F_C20_B2455_webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 21:21:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DF90183489; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com><4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEA9BE61C5515F_C20_B28F4_webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35363-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEA9BE619A780F-C20-35699@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.164.196] Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:21:05 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:382587680:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094f207241707b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:21:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEA9BE61C5515F_C20_B28F4_webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" dood so this is how you say DUDE in swedish? =20 ----------MB_8CEA9BE61C5515F_C20_B28F4_webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
dood
so this is how you say DUDE in = swedish?
----------MB_8CEA9BE61C5515F_C20_B28F4_webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 22:26:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E5AD183479; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RCMYxg4OKEyz/tu8Lr4FJG7npZKRq/zF5OBq2QK3dk8=; b=QLNkQEF72hMXDtAloiDKvmsxD1zLtBm4l84k6qRKZXwsv6k2sCOhvIZRHTOeDYO8ru pUdndMzhWCu0HmTZ5L7Pt5DHOG37LGPKl/DPtL1G1UbV/7W6/1QFhxjFB/YZfanmdK+u amE6XNhvY9n309VL7gZe7ry/8DVLxxXXCgAJY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CEA9BE619A780F-C20-35699@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> <8CEA9BE619A780F-C20-35699@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:26:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:26:42 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:21 PM, michael klobuchar wrote: > > dood > > so this is how you say DUDE in swedish? NOOP, dunno might be pigeon English. Per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 23:31:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AA23183473; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0WOEqlxcuMbUXjPaU15K7MqQ7Ipb16B4U5qrztTx0Ss=; b=V2eKR1jnEjMwk8GzDHS2fSNNclavHhbZNSPFgNv1cPkA/t0RFigFQMsOeQMfGCEVnC 22b93cJ30tLqA3P74e9TIKgunPwzTc5Sp0ft9T8ED2Xj1+/E0vi5TMXLWzUZg6j2jqD+ jbr3B5hg6ofNCRNp9X7mG2DB+fPorhTS0zE24= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:31:26 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:31:27 +0000 (UTC) I haven't had time to see the clip, but I'm fully aware of the ease of proliferation on the internet, and its effects on self-editing. For me, it all started with mp3.com. (Anyone remember mp3.com?) Mp3.com was sort of a granddaddy to bandcamp and soundcloud, in that amateur musicians could post their work up there in the spirit of sharing, but that it's seldomly treated with the same respect as an actual CD release. (By that I mean that it's hard to get people to review your bandcamp page, or to get radio stations to play tracks from one.) To go a step further, it's now even harder to browse for music on bandcamp than it was on mp3.com. If I type in a keyword on bandcamp, I get thousands of results, about 3/4 of which appear to have no relation to the search term. And the artists who I think are generic or undeveloped are the ones that have 10 or 20 records clogging the results. Bandcamp only works if you already know the band you're looking for. Most of the sites have some sort of genre search or keyword search, but nobody's making sure that artists mark their work appropriately. For example, marking a techno track as "international" in hopes it will net more listeners. But now things are at a point where, without too much effort, you can get your cds released through the exact same digital distribution channels that Lady Gaga gets. I have 4 cds and 2 eps floating around that ether, and between all those releases, maybe 1 cd worth of material would pass the muster of a major indie record label's standards - and that's me going easy on myself. ("Major Indie" - I like that term. I'm thinking of a well-known indie record label such as Thrill Jockey or Kranky.) So, it's great for artists because it's easy to get global distribution. But it's bad for artists because it encourages us to put stuff in front of global ears before we've really developed our craft, and we tend to be judged based on our early releases. It's great for audiences because rare and unusual stuff is more accessible than ever. But it's bad for audiences because finding the good stuff requires digging through a large amount of bad results. I think we'll start seeing editors pop up in different forms, such as music writers, radio djs, podcasters, bloggers, etc. Like the musicians though anyone who wants to be in that position can do so without a significant investment. The only limit there will be who bothers to make the effort. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > Sylvain Poitras was all: >> Someone said: >>>> worthy of documentation on youtube... >> >> That cracked me up... =A0but it could give rise to a potentially >> interesting new thread on what the demise of the editor (due to >> increase ease of self-publication or self-diffusion more generally) >> means for the quality of art. >> Anyone can publish their shit... =A0there is no gatekeeper. =A0Which is >> awesome/awful. >> >> I recently watched this documentary that presented some views on this, >> might be of interest to some of you: http://vimeo.com/34608191 >> >> Sylvain >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 23:39:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E366F183489; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b4ed1b98-5289-4c73-b79e-1e8a76d82a6e_" X-Originating-IP: [98.232.194.119] From: Joe Clark To: Subject: RE: LP2: The correct power source is: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:39:03 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2012 23:39:03.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[852F2080:01CCDBBA] Resent-Message-ID: <72y3wD.A.AqH.ZKJIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:39:05 +0000 (UTC) --_b4ed1b98-5289-4c73-b79e-1e8a76d82a6e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh Lp-2 where are you? Any updates on when the second batch will be sent ou= t? Is the first batch working? ????? > Date: Wed=2C 11 Jan 2012 09:52:19 -0800 > Subject: LP2: The correct power source is: > From: mattdavignon@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > According to Rick=2C the BOSS PSA-120 power supply is the one that the > pedal is made for: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012BPMHW/ref=3Dox_sc_act_title_1?ie=3D= UTF8&m=3DA3CLJYQ8X1E8Z4 >=20 >=20 > I found a 9v negative tip 300mA power supply that I seem to be able to > get sound >=20 > I'm sending my pedal to Bob as well. At the very least he says he has > a fix that will cut the noise floor in half. One thing I noticed is > that each sound=2C when looped=2C is surrounded by some sort of digital > artifacts=2C which could be the result of digital aliasing=2C or odd > compression/noise gating. >=20 > Also=2C the trim knob on the input works in the opposite direction than > I expected. When you're facing the front of the pedal=2C turning the > knob to the left makes it louder. Once I figured that out=2C I was > starting to get enough results that I could monkey around with the > features. >=20 > REPLACE looks like it will be a lot of fun. It replaces the entire > contents with whatever's coming in from the input=2C but ONLY for the > amount of time that you're holding down the switch. The remaining > "Replace" effects do not require you to hold down the switch=2C but will > apply the effect to a fraction of the total loop length. This sounds > like a great way to poke holes and transition what you're doing. >=20 > RETRIGGER RANDOM plays the loop from a random part of the loop with > each button tap. I think Rick mentioned earlier that this can be done > while recording. I imagine you'll need to have a loop established > already in order for that to work=2C since with a new loop the device > won't know the loop's length yet. >=20 > CONTINUE appears to only work when the loop is not playing. It appears > to resume the loop from the point at which it was stopped. (Unlike the > play/stop button=2C which would resume it from the beginning.) >=20 > That leaves RETRIGGER ONCE and RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS as the 2 effects > that I haven't figured out yet. >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >=20 = --_b4ed1b98-5289-4c73-b79e-1e8a76d82a6e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh Lp-2 where are you? Any updates on when the second batch will be sent ou= t? Is the first batch working? ?????

>=3B Date: Wed=2C 11 Jan 2012 09:52:19 -0800
>=3B Subjec= t: LP2: The correct power source is:
>=3B From: mattdavignon@gmail.com=
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B Acc= ording to Rick=2C the BOSS PSA-120 power supply is the one that the
>= =3B pedal is made for:
>=3B http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012BPMH= W/ref=3Dox_sc_act_title_1?ie=3DUTF8&=3Bm=3DA3CLJYQ8X1E8Z4
>=3B
= >=3B
>=3B I found a 9v negative tip 300mA power supply that I seem = to be able to
>=3B get sound
>=3B
>=3B I'm sending my pedal= to Bob as well. At the very least he says he has
>=3B a fix that will= cut the noise floor in half. One thing I noticed is
>=3B that each so= und=2C when looped=2C is surrounded by some sort of digital
>=3B artif= acts=2C which could be the result of digital aliasing=2C or odd
>=3B c= ompression/noise gating.
>=3B
>=3B Also=2C the trim knob on the = input works in the opposite direction than
>=3B I expected. When you'r= e facing the front of the pedal=2C turning the
>=3B knob to the left m= akes it louder. Once I figured that out=2C I was
>=3B starting to get = enough results that I could monkey around with the
>=3B features.
&= gt=3B
>=3B REPLACE looks like it will be a lot of fun. It replaces th= e entire
>=3B contents with whatever's coming in from the input=2C but= ONLY for the
>=3B amount of time that you're holding down the switch.= The remaining
>=3B "Replace" effects do not require you to hold down = the switch=2C but will
>=3B apply the effect to a fraction of the tota= l loop length. This sounds
>=3B like a great way to poke holes and tra= nsition what you're doing.
>=3B
>=3B RETRIGGER RANDOM plays the = loop from a random part of the loop with
>=3B each button tap. I think= Rick mentioned earlier that this can be done
>=3B while recording. I = imagine you'll need to have a loop established
>=3B already in order f= or that to work=2C since with a new loop the device
>=3B won't know th= e loop's length yet.
>=3B
>=3B CONTINUE appears to only work whe= n the loop is not playing. It appears
>=3B to resume the loop from the= point at which it was stopped. (Unlike the
>=3B play/stop button=2C w= hich would resume it from the beginning.)
>=3B
>=3B That leaves = RETRIGGER ONCE and RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS as the 2 effects
>=3B that I h= aven't figured out yet.
>=3B
>=3B --
>=3B Matt Davignon>=3B mattdavignon@gmail.com
>=3B www.ribosomemusic.com
>=3B Po= dcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>=3B Rigs! http://www.youtube= .com/user/ribosomematt
>=3B
= --_b4ed1b98-5289-4c73-b79e-1e8a76d82a6e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 05:41:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C79E6183479; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=G6aTV6dS6aDpczEISpMFgSv7LGCNVYchKMoh2t+Ml90=; b=qbbapb2qmb3ByzFs6/CExl32JH8hiRsWLKB2nY9pXhnBZWskibWblZzH/wX7ls1zjl 7obd7StU951W543uLEhnt6TZJFiBDjvAORhQ/V54gDDTR+/Stxro0sWze+cuBLaoeuYc sBPFan+30rEkds9bUnPi146oZswLMeG5IQIYU= Subject: Re: Panic Mode References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B2618140-AC46-41D6-A5E7-10D322DD5BC6 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:41:02 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:41:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-B2618140-AC46-41D6-A5E7-10D322DD5BC6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the performa= nce went awesome :) I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. I'll be= posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone wants to se= e. On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, michael klobuchar wrote: > wear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD AND FA= ST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing >=20 > them what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, it i= s a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make >=20 > friends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know th= at you are a looper, all things will change in your life! >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-B2618140-AC46-41D6-A5E7-10D322DD5BC6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the performance went awesome :)
I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone wants to see.

On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

wear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD AND FAST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing

them what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, it is a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make

friends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know that you are a looper, all things will change in your life!
--Apple-Mail-B2618140-AC46-41D6-A5E7-10D322DD5BC6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 05:44:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BE2018347A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 712484.80790.bm@omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1327556645; bh=QFiV/y5qGsm+m/f9uSA+I/+18QolxhSvA/61e2G9tps=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=MZ35FcLW86omYve811GXPil1VM2TKLTnIN3J4LVU4uUs0alJ7Ry21OF2TJ1uB90Oo+IZO7moOltX8dRrcUr8hORNKGLE/r0Yyg++3g12aWLg/7EQ72ZkG9NtSl1yoiVn2YCb7pznIznzxoB95FKv2QhMmVoBw/TaIkK9wEjzeEQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: sZ757lsVM1nBYAPKsFI487rk6fHXN5dwfzoG5g4ZD3nkNBH eHzok0_ZBPjGeOt009JlbEntqWLUCmJWSglNUplgr1DNvajUP_TCWHFGh5Db p7prOZNfo69TpLch1iNqBSPIHMjoE8woAoSqI4BkpF3qBo9ABRgNyTZWLx9A C3sX2ZeK_BT9ohHWLXHEfO3OAMPSIMObbU6k8LxLRaIfNvw70m.CUTJAL.KF NA0DC7Vafdx9XEJB7pTCNBH.4AcjstMntboJQhV_HFyzCBteIf.ybYCwSj3W 9ZaV6uSpoedI1Hc0XajnfaSrtMH9jV3.vGP81pCRPCXNChqxss18U8lfoOq2 oUUJ3DcSpaJsYz_b9gcztnWmH96iMZOIebdrc5FrXXl4Hntdlmyz3kn_hzxy ueoWWTzsnL9OvGg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BB47BE5B-FD75-47F3-ADE7-8E2D5C394039" Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:44:02 -0800 In-Reply-To: <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> Message-Id: <14EF456B-9C39-49B6-83D2-A7A5E88340E5@att.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:44:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_BB47BE5B-FD75-47F3-ADE7-8E2D5C394039 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Excellent! It must have been the tin foil hat! On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Gmail wrote: > Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the = performance went awesome :) > I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. = I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone = wants to see. >=20 > On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, michael klobuchar = wrote: >=20 >> wear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD = AND FAST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing >>=20 >> them what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make = converts, it is a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make >>=20 >> friends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they = know that you are a looper, all things will change in your life! >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_BB47BE5B-FD75-47F3-ADE7-8E2D5C394039 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back = from church and the performance went awesome :)
I managed to = stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. I'll be posting = a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone wants to = see.

On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> = wrote:

wear a tin foil hat, this will = make you invisable.....then play LOUD AND FAST.....or you could draw the = audience in by showing

them what looping is, = if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, it is a church group, = no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make

friends with that = energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know that you are a = looper, all things will change in your life!

= --Apple-Mail=_BB47BE5B-FD75-47F3-ADE7-8E2D5C394039-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 05:50:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D1E4183477; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--789979867 Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:50:54 -0800 In-Reply-To: <14EF456B-9C39-49B6-83D2-A7A5E88340E5@att.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> <14EF456B-9C39-49B6-83D2-A7A5E88340E5@att.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:50:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--789979867 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or the big fat kick in the groin... On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Excellent! It must have been the tin foil hat! > On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Gmail wrote: >=20 >> Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the = performance went awesome :) >> I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. = I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone = wants to see. >>=20 >> On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, michael klobuchar = wrote: >>=20 >>> wear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD = AND FAST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing >>>=20 >>> them what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make = converts, it is a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make >>>=20 >>> friends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they = know that you are a looper, all things will change in your life! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-6--789979867 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Or = the big fat kick in the groin...

On Jan 25, 2012, at = 9:44 PM, Laurie Amat wrote:

Excellent! It must have been = the tin foil hat!
On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Gmail = wrote:

Thanks everyone for the = advice! I just got back from church and the performance went awesome = :)
I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a = good time. I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel = if anyone wants to see.

On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, = michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> = wrote:

wear a tin foil hat, this will = make you invisable.....then play LOUD AND FAST.....or you could draw the = audience in by showing

them what looping is, = if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, it is a church group, = no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make

friends with that = energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know that you are a = looper, all things will change in your life!
=

=

= --Apple-Mail-6--789979867-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 06:38:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B634183479; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=SIG8hvT0IX85yfjWbbY6WS0UyNBSkCx4lxY+W9N915o=; b=IOy4SRedwPQN9y7yhNxPDSUicZvErQvNfwmyesE5baLK++UImpsc9RQNgqEM1+Ctej BOcekVr0LIocaXHIk1b84uaikeMCSh7ZCP7NL1Cy0zIjHU6RyEkm9ela2oe0r2jL7Z4k Mk75HhpoW5vHW8eU1BGjOo4oQ+P4zxCmZelq4= Subject: Re: Panic Mode References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> <14EF456B-9C39-49B6-83D2-A7A5E88340E5@att.net> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-96CB02F0-F8B5-402D-81D5-1D5F2A97785F X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3D01D0AE-4CAF-461A-B994-43CD1D1B670B@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:38:28 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:38:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-96CB02F0-F8B5-402D-81D5-1D5F2A97785F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well I was wearing v-moda crossfades so it might have looked like i had foil= on my ears ^_^ On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote= : > Or the big fat kick in the groin... >=20 > On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: >=20 >> Excellent! It must have been the tin foil hat! >> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Gmail wrote: >>=20 >>> Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the perf= ormance went awesome :) >>> I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. I'l= l be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone wants t= o see. >>>=20 >>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, michael klobuchar wrote= : >>>=20 >>>> wear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD AN= D FAST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing >>>>=20 >>>> them what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, i= t is a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make >>>>=20 >>>> friends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know= that you are a looper, all things will change in your life! >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-96CB02F0-F8B5-402D-81D5-1D5F2A97785F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Well I was wearing v-moda c= rossfades so it might have looked like i had foil on my ears ^_^


=

On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
Or the big fat kick in the= groin...

On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Laurie Amat wrote:<= /div>
Excellent! It must have been the tin foil hat!
On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Gmail wrote:

Tha= nks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the performance= went awesome :)
I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actual= ly had a good time. I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube ch= annel if anyone wants to see.

On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, mic= hael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:



= --Apple-Mail-96CB02F0-F8B5-402D-81D5-1D5F2A97785F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 06:59:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B40A183479; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:59:18 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19wvock3Shwxnk/f7LHdI3acLaGrrCQE/RbLI+qbw N3AI0x1FWXzEyES+nslKHPt19b03dU9kpCOQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: kZxSb+RmeSEqNMh4kHUhtTZ+IGRvb8C9 Resent-Message-ID: <-6fG-.A.soD.JnPIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per fair enough, esp. if you use Max4Live as a crazy effect tool ;-) Personally, I actually would like to use Ableton for both live looping and recording. But at the moment it's just not flexible enough. So what I end up doing is emulating Ableton clip/scene behaviour in Mobius. Oh well... best regards Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 07:04:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4F818348C; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:04:25 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <14EF456B-9C39-49B6-83D2-A7A5E88340E5@att.net> Message-ID: <20120126070425.19230@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> <14EF456B-9C39-49B6-83D2-A7A5E88340E5@att.net> Subject: Re: Panic Mode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX185uYsx7HU53YKdTzBI5Y6scRGheF90Iog5cBYiw1 U53T16xvtPYUdsQKWyoALbVzI4CpqTdoWOiQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: rp9Sb+dmeSEqNMh4kHUhEjV+IGRvbwBa Resent-Message-ID: <0aOlq.A.TwD.9rPIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Glad to hear it went well! :-) >Despite the mythology around musicians, nobody stops being a human being when they get on stage. This is soo true! best Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 08:08:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D77AE183486; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Panic Mode Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 02:08:35 -0600 Message-ID: <008501ccdc01$b52d88c0$1f889a40$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0086_01CCDBCF.6A9CB5B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHjoccCGMS4IzmMswrEcx5yj2G0pQJfnLxXAUDCY1EBmZK7OgKCSvceAmOYOQ8CB5SQn5WPgyTg x-vipre-scanned: 017FA135002CC1017FA282 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:08:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01CCDBCF.6A9CB5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great job!! Rock on!! ~Peace~ Mike =20 From: Gmail [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Panic Mode =20 Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the = performance went awesome :) I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. = I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone = wants to see. On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, michael klobuchar = wrote: wear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD AND = FAST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing=20 =20 them what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, = it is a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make =20 friends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know = that you are a looper, all things will change in your life! =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01CCDBCF.6A9CB5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Great job!! Rock on!!

~Peace~

Mike

 

From:= = Gmail [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, = 2012 11:41 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Panic = Mode

 

Thanks = everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the performance = went awesome :)

I managed = to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. I'll be = posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone wants to = see.

w= ear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD AND = FAST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing =

<= o:p> 

t= hem what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, it = is a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, = make

<= o:p> 

f= riends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know = that you are a looper, all things will change in your = life!

 
------=_NextPart_000_0086_01CCDBCF.6A9CB5B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 08:36:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E003B183489; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Jb1F6aX+sEkeuvYiRLsmmoO7JE+5fjVT3wVETQKTchU=; b=ZEqpUV0+T32glzxBg0YeXyOcL0SXRUI0a91pSR5qpcGkdczSeKoHAM1jTBQ7p+MuHk FMcOYNbhawHH2yk4O4YMZOAy2fIRVfj98PHoab3ZCcfG9y0/BHThzzhitpHJ3FlxCRKT VwnYhE9IiaA6VuKaaDP2N2H36O2cVSJSRu3Z4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:36:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Well, I wouldn't think you'd have to emulate that. Ableton Live and Mobius seem to be almost identical when it comes to recording and stacking up alternative sets of loops on several parallel tracks. Differences are that Live can not overdub and multiply into the same loop (like Mobius) and Mobius won't make you manually change the order of the loops once they are recorded (as you can do in Live). I spent yesterday recreating my live looping setup based on Mobius as the tempo sync master in the new Mainstage 2.2 and it worked out exceptionally well. During almost a month work in Live it felt like a wonderful revelation to be back on the super fidelity that MS provides! I have no idea why but my stuff sounds so much better when piped out through Mainstage, guessing there must be something about how the compressors work and how the audio engine handles summing of audio streams. And the new multi CPU/core support was evident as a seemingly never ending DSP power. But it seems you need to re-build MS concerts from scratch in 2.2 to get it right and the trick to make the new multi core handling happen is to keep CPU intensive channelstrips without any cross talking like side-chaining or sending audio through a bus to an aux that also receives audio sent from other channelstrips. That is the same logic as in how you set up big projects in Bidule, but while you have to assign objects manually in Bidule to be taken care of by another CPU/core this is automatic in MS 2.2. Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data control" devises. An option totally lacking in MS (if not using a third-party plugin like Amplitube 3 that has a good swell pedal simulation, but to me both Sticks and guitars sound more interesting without such tube amp/cab simulation. Well you can actually cheat up a rather lame swell pedal in Mainstage by using the Envelope plugin, but it's kind of somewhere on a scale between half-assed and luke warm). So if someone can recommend an Audio Unit plugin that applies "swell attack" to the audio signal I'd be grateful for hint ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Per > > fair enough, esp. if you use Max4Live as a crazy effect tool ;-) > > Personally, I actually would like to use Ableton for both live looping and recording. But at the moment it's just not flexible enough. > So what I end up doing is emulating Ableton clip/scene behaviour in Mobius. Oh well... > > best regards > Buzap > > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 08:47:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EFB2183486; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2112FB.8000608@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 00:46:51 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Clark CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: LP2: The correct power source is: References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <63TeIC.A.FtE.EMRIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:47:00 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Joe Clark wrote: > Oh Lp-2 where are you? Any updates on when the second batch will be > sent out? Is the first batch working? ????? Word is that Bob has the whole first large shipment of components and is assembling as we speak. I used mine at NAMM this past weekend and had no failures with it, for what that's worth. A couple of bugs were found in the initial release (a small one) and they have been fixed. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 09:51:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 791EE18347A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <91DABE17D33649CD952282FE56185D20@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com> <7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66610F3D-3A77-48E4-B629-28EC146D95DF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:51:25 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01CCDC10.11107360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:51:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CCDC10.11107360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done! Give us the url when it=E2=80=99s up! From: Gmail=20 Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Panic Mode Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the = performance went awesome :) I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. = I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone = wants to see. On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, michael klobuchar = wrote: wear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD = AND FAST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing=20 them what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, = it is a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make friends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they = know that you are a looper, all things will change in your life! ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CCDC10.11107360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well done!  Give us the url when it=E2=80=99s up!
 
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Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the = performance went awesome :)
I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good = time. I'll=20 be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone wants = to=20 see.

On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:14 PM, michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> = wrote:

wear a tin foil hat, this will make = you=20 invisable.....then play LOUD AND FAST.....or you could draw the = audience in by=20 showing=20

them what looping is, if = they are not=20 hip to it yet.....make converts, it is a church group, no?.....the = PANIC never=20 goes away, make

friends with that = energy.....have=20 FUN!.....but remember, once they know that you are a looper, all = things will=20 change in your life!
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congratulations man !    you rock !






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Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:41 PM

Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back f= rom church and the performance went awesome :)
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--1953920733-1905345799-1327579675=:72494-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 13:38:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A31E8183479; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=AgLpSG85JkoBewTTetoJBnzobvoQD98/18N6jsRInyA=; b=TkAFnfRGsmrXrIQGa5R6xeFKW7DIRCmMDPvYI7+6DFjcDRnVTawYcyFdTlIG2rYzQ5 K80RkjretwbJ8ZkHoUUE90oTFR/+rv2KAA8U7RN7Ls8k00IKi0rfGNgDjAUQ+1n20EeP v+d2iaqYuyQTjSLCSV1o1fZLlRvr0TIEy5WDs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> <8CEA9BE619A780F-C20-35699@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:38:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0433a10c72e88b04b76e800b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:38:57 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0433a10c72e88b04b76e800b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's pigeon english, and we're all very happy to see it coming out of a Swede. Especially this talented of one. t. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:21 PM, michael klobuchar > wrote: > > > > dood > > > > so this is how you say DUDE in swedish? > > NOOP, dunno might be pigeon English. > > Per ;-) > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --f46d0433a10c72e88b04b76e800b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's pigeon english, and we're all very happy to see it coming out = of a Swede. =A0Especially this talented of one.
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10= :21 PM, michael klobuchar <nemoguit= t@aol.com> wrote:
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> dood
>
> so this is how you say DUDE in swedish?

NOOP, dunno might be pigeon English.

Per ;-)




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--f46d0433a10c72e88b04b76e800b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 14:38:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F04318348B; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 716108907/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.96/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.96 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBALZkIU9YbRdg/2dsb2JhbAAMNrFCAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwAaJGQEIHQYIAgQCBwIFAgIBBB8BAgECgmgCCQIBAgEBBgUCBgQKAgISgTmDHASaY40N X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,574,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="716108907" Message-ID: <4F21655C.6040206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:38:20 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG Updates (especially good for LP1 users) References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> <4F1EA1BE.7080304@tiscali.co.uk> <8CEA9BE619A780F-C20-35699@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:38:14 +0000 (UTC) todd reynolds wrote: > it's pigeon english, and we're all very happy to see it coming out of a > Swede. Especially this talented of one. well, as my command of foreign languages is limited to describing breakfasts I wouldn't eat I suspect I shouldn't be the one to say that the language is "Pidgin" and it's the bird going MOOP that is a "pigeon". andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 15:13:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6CDE183489; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hvBOUPJ9j7q9Yp/5ifRlN8uI9/BrHrHq6xMJKkAhs54=; b=sIsNF0eD2DSf5CTwjpdpyuNu8HSvJl3xjd1/fCpCC/Dhz9/BE0EowiMI2nHAOxcVae TQBRX+YgiJdO2uPm+OBOkqpgFyf+2hV6y5WrfXZ9RDiiDUFJucmzve9qZsTpgsD+dflM P5oXg/cXwkzfZMuXvOu68fTTuN9mp8FIuqqWc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:13:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:13:43 +0000 (UTC) hey Per there seems to be an Ableton update that addresses the sync problem,how it working now slaved to mobius? any better? On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Well, I wouldn't think you'd have to emulate that. Ableton Live and > Mobius seem to be almost identical when it comes to recording and > stacking up alternative sets of loops on several parallel tracks. > > Differences are that Live can not overdub and multiply into the same > loop (like Mobius) and Mobius won't make you manually change the order > of the loops once they are recorded (as you can do in Live). > > I spent yesterday recreating my live looping setup based on Mobius as > the tempo sync master in the new Mainstage 2.2 and it worked out > exceptionally well. During almost a month work in Live it felt like a > wonderful revelation to be back on the super fidelity that MS > provides! I have no idea why but my stuff sounds so much better when > piped out through Mainstage, guessing there must be something about > how the compressors work and how the audio engine handles summing of > audio streams. And the new multi CPU/core support was evident as a > seemingly never ending DSP power. But it seems you need to re-build MS > concerts from scratch in 2.2 to get it right and the trick to make the > new multi core handling happen is to keep CPU intensive channelstrips > without any cross talking like side-chaining or sending audio through > a bus to an aux that also receives audio sent from other > channelstrips. That is the same logic as in how you set up big > projects in Bidule, but while you have to assign objects manually in > Bidule to be taken care of by another CPU/core this is automatic in MS > 2.2. Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell > pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data > control" devises. An option totally lacking in MS (if not using a > third-party plugin like Amplitube 3 that has a good swell pedal > simulation, but to me both Sticks and guitars sound more interesting > without such tube amp/cab simulation. Well you can actually cheat up a > rather lame swell pedal in Mainstage by using the Envelope plugin, but > it's kind of somewhere on a scale between half-assed and luke warm). > So if someone can recommend an Audio Unit plugin that applies "swell > attack" to the audio signal I'd be grateful for hint ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> Hi Per >> >> fair enough, esp. if you use Max4Live as a crazy effect tool ;-) >> >> Personally, I actually would like to use Ableton for both live looping and recording. But at the moment it's just not flexible enough. >> So what I end up doing is emulating Ableton clip/scene behaviour in Mobius. Oh well... >> >> best regards >> Buzap >> >> -- >> Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir >> belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >> > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 15:31:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF01C18348C; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ar3zkOKEgjGIcoj6PnjRbj0KsOwwXFG71AAYmyVddhY=; b=udbVk/8D0jXSYHJM6q6q0tUjkdGtZ9TYaWiNz08QixYcGBj8rn9691R6wgWWofOPwd VO6jDnQ6gg5dM9BBMRvJkgA6KkwyoxELOkm3Rsrh74G18q1nNY+gIbWtl1JIj30aDZkx WZkNZCQho9t3I68TQS7NqJxJL5/ayJZ54PEbE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:31:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi Louie, The sync update of Live happened long ago. It doesn't help for the audio artifacts that appears in slave sync mode. Maybe I should have called it "a fidelity issue" instead? ;-) To repeat: when running Live synced to MIDI clock a lot of changes you do by external MIDI control creates cracks and pops in the audio. I didn't want that so I moved on to set up the same rig in Biule. It worked fine (better actually) until the very last stage where Bidule just crashed (maybe a memory issue?). Finally I built the same rig in Mainstage 2.2 yesterday and it is turned out to be the best application for my needs (which is extensive Mobius live looping, setting the temp by first loop catching in Mobius, host application following Mobius' tempo by internal (IAC Bus) MIDI Clock. Host loaded with lots of tempo dependent effects, a synth channel, two mono audio inputs, a stereo audio inputs and two effect aux tracks with "playable" effects.) That's my general bare bones report that I hope will help some folks to spend less time in the tech pit and more time making music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > hey Per there seems to be an Ableton update that addresses the sync > problem,how it working now slaved to mobius? any better? > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Well, I wouldn't think you'd have to emulate that. Ableton Live and >> Mobius seem to be almost identical when it comes to recording and >> stacking up alternative sets of loops on several parallel tracks. >> >> Differences are that Live can not overdub and multiply into the same >> loop (like Mobius) and Mobius won't make you manually change the order >> of the loops once they are recorded (as you can do in Live). >> >> I spent yesterday recreating my live looping setup based on Mobius as >> the tempo sync master in the new Mainstage 2.2 and it worked out >> exceptionally well. During almost a month work in Live it felt like a >> wonderful revelation to be back on the super fidelity that MS >> provides! I have no idea why but my stuff sounds so much better when >> piped out through Mainstage, guessing there must be something about >> how the compressors work and how the audio engine handles summing of >> audio streams. And the new multi CPU/core support was evident as a >> seemingly never ending DSP power. But it seems you need to re-build MS >> concerts from scratch in 2.2 to get it right and the trick to make the >> new multi core handling happen is to keep CPU intensive channelstrips >> without any cross talking like side-chaining or sending audio through >> a bus to an aux that also receives audio sent from other >> channelstrips. That is the same logic as in how you set up big >> projects in Bidule, but while you have to assign objects manually in >> Bidule to be taken care of by another CPU/core this is automatic in MS >> 2.2. Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell >> pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data >> control" devises. An option totally lacking in MS (if not using a >> third-party plugin like Amplitube 3 that has a good swell pedal >> simulation, but to me both Sticks and guitars sound more interesting >> without such tube amp/cab simulation. Well you can actually cheat up a >> rather lame swell pedal in Mainstage by using the Envelope plugin, but >> it's kind of somewhere on a scale between half-assed and luke warm). >> So if someone can recommend an Audio Unit plugin that applies "swell >> attack" to the audio signal I'd be grateful for hint ;-) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >>> Hi Per >>> >>> fair enough, esp. if you use Max4Live as a crazy effect tool ;-) >>> >>> Personally, I actually would like to use Ableton for both live looping and recording. But at the moment it's just not flexible enough. >>> So what I end up doing is emulating Ableton clip/scene behaviour in Mobius. Oh well... >>> >>> best regards >>> Buzap >>> >>> -- >>> Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir >>> belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >>> >> > > > > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 15:47:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 661A9183489; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=B9uJbN0Qd1pxuxKIt93pX2+i0YELkw4BRdiWaYJjVwY=; b=fw+NtxV2EOHQaDQpPGDoYAQ4h2IOcKXoj/x7S4mf6kY72A2Emw6rmJxwttwpHWnhCw UZzEYAzJR+VblG9FYFrLZFa3UJnvmFk9jlKmL+aVoqBWPonwv5oqvim+SbAe+P88kgOg fWZE+1ReDYCdvB9whoSdPTRkbI72AVPtqc8mg= Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--754219410 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:46:54 -0800 References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:47:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--754219410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 26, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell > pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data > control" devises. I still use the old Pluggo AUs and they work in Logic. They are built with Max/MSP. Perhaps you could put together something at least workable with that? Might be similar available in the Cycling 74 forums. BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego --Apple-Mail-1--754219410 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 26, 2012, = at 12:36 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

Missing Max 4 = Live though, because I could set up great "swell
pedal" functionality = with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data
control" = devises.


I still use the old = Pluggo AUs and they work in Logic.
They are built with = Max/MSP.
Perhaps you could put together something at least = workable with that? Might be similar available in the Cycling 74 = forums.

BobC


<= div>http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6

= --Apple-Mail-1--754219410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 16:10:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5FC18348A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 450 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:10:02 UTC Subject: Back to Live From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) Message-Id: <0E9C3B12-0EE6-45FF-B43B-A9ABAB54202C@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:02:04 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:10:03 +0000 (UTC) After working with LP1 for a while, I am returning to Live. I see there is n= ow a looper now a looper in Live bug limited. Is Mobius in Live still tgd yo= p choice? Antony Hequet Poet composer= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 16:42:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A41D418348E; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=K4gwR3/z4ozN6accFEIgpcHBi7hr3aG8Wso8N+EiAVk=; b=vGZ3JbfvQLXEuiNJnDx1Kb0ZJO2NQdAuT5siH8qZHKt0BGVcahScJIRHe6+rYEL5B5 n0JBJhKFxvOQUHobz4zxzWiZs4ugBIuXc4iMx04AmWqz2JYkdNXDo/6ltcu3olpQkfUM vzqV0BFmLfdsNghaw7LHoaet2aXsfWTy69UEI= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0E9C3B12-0EE6-45FF-B43B-A9ABAB54202C@orange.fr> In-Reply-To: <0E9C3B12-0EE6-45FF-B43B-A9ABAB54202C@orange.fr> Subject: Re: Back to Live Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:42:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Mobius in Live is the ticket for me. Though I imagine you could use any VST looper inside Live like the EDP version, etc. The Live looper sucks in my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- After working with LP1 for a while, I am returning to Live. I see there is now a looper now a looper in Live bug limited. Is Mobius in Live still tgd yop choice? Antony Hequet Poet composer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 16:49:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B6718348B; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cw7mlqB2TkL2Sw04o5A9ioMynciDhvH7B5DMcpwf5mw=; b=Ivj+Tm0O0dFPtF/0kyO2ePja4INlQXXaM6VeCcx/xzL1T4L3pZuIIjn+QqiO4Od91d 1LIRP6qkn//Z/5SPjonqjwVM3XKghuWzn2ZvHzjqeTUA5R9RB7UFtRe+CToS9Lyw/VzL /0kp8yKduH3htxM/YIaEdcXiVtPL5vWmLeyiQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:49:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba84338b3a204b771284a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:49:03 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba84338b3a204b771284a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think the meaning of these sites is not to be the super markets of music, rather than platforms for the bands and bands market their thing elsewhere. With content as large as on the case of SoundCloud, its really hard to make the searches work.... 10 million users btw, did you see this http://storywheel.cc/alex-eric/soundcloud-story 2012/1/26 Matt Davignon > I haven't had time to see the clip, but I'm fully aware of the ease of > proliferation on the internet, and its effects on self-editing. For > me, it all started with mp3.com. (Anyone remember mp3.com?) Mp3.com > was sort of a granddaddy to bandcamp and soundcloud, in that amateur > musicians could post their work up there in the spirit of sharing, but > that it's seldomly treated with the same respect as an actual CD > release. (By that I mean that it's hard to get people to review your > bandcamp page, or to get radio stations to play tracks from one.) To > go a step further, it's now even harder to browse for music on > bandcamp than it was on mp3.com. If I type in a keyword on bandcamp, I > get thousands of results, about 3/4 of which appear to have no > relation to the search term. And the artists who I think are generic > or undeveloped are the ones that have 10 or 20 records clogging the > results. Bandcamp only works if you already know the band you're > looking for. > > Most of the sites have some sort of genre search or keyword search, > but nobody's making sure that artists mark their work appropriately. > For example, marking a techno track as "international" in hopes it > will net more listeners. > > But now things are at a point where, without too much effort, you can > get your cds released through the exact same digital distribution > channels that Lady Gaga gets. I have 4 cds and 2 eps floating around > that ether, and between all those releases, maybe 1 cd worth of > material would pass the muster of a major indie record label's > standards - and that's me going easy on myself. ("Major Indie" - I > like that term. I'm thinking of a well-known indie record label such > as Thrill Jockey or Kranky.) > > So, it's great for artists because it's easy to get global distribution. > But it's bad for artists because it encourages us to put stuff in > front of global ears before we've really developed our craft, and we > tend to be judged based on our early releases. > > It's great for audiences because rare and unusual stuff is more > accessible than ever. > But it's bad for audiences because finding the good stuff requires > digging through a large amount of bad results. > > I think we'll start seeing editors pop up in different forms, such as > music writers, radio djs, podcasters, bloggers, etc. Like the > musicians though anyone who wants to be in that position can do so > without a significant investment. The only limit there will be who > bothers to make the effort. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > Sylvain Poitras was all: > > >> Someone said: > >>>> worthy of documentation on youtube... > >> > >> That cracked me up... but it could give rise to a potentially > >> interesting new thread on what the demise of the editor (due to > >> increase ease of self-publication or self-diffusion more generally) > >> means for the quality of art. > >> Anyone can publish their shit... there is no gatekeeper. Which is > >> awesome/awful. > >> > >> I recently watched this documentary that presented some views on this, > >> might be of interest to some of you: http://vimeo.com/34608191 > >> > >> Sylvain > >> > > > > -- Petri --e89a8f3ba84338b3a204b771284a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the meaning of these sites is not to be the super markets of music,=
rather than platforms for the bands and bands market their thing elsewh= ere.
With content as large as on the case of SoundCloud, its really hard= to make
the searches work.... 10 million users

btw, did you see this
http://storywheel.c= c/alex-eric/soundcloud-story



2012/1/26 Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
I haven't had time to see the clip, but I'm fully aware of the ease= of
proliferation on the internet, and its effects on self-editing. For
me, it all started with mp3.co= m. (Anyone remember mp3.co= m?) Mp3.com
was sort of a granddaddy to bandcamp and soundcloud, in that amateur
musicians could post their work up there in the spirit of sharing, but
that it's seldomly treated with the same respect as an actual CD
release. (By that I mean that it's hard to get people to review your bandcamp page, or to get radio stations to play tracks from one.) To
go a step further, it's now even harder to browse for music on
bandcamp than it was on mp3.co= m. If I type in a keyword on bandcamp, I
get thousands of results, about 3/4 of which appear to have no
relation to the search term. And the artists who I think are generic
or undeveloped are the ones that have 10 or 20 records clogging the
results. Bandcamp only works if you already know the band you're
looking for.

Most of the sites have some sort of genre search or keyword search,
but nobody's making sure that artists mark their work appropriately. For example, marking a techno track as "international" in hopes i= t
will net more listeners.

But now things are at a point where, without too much effort, you can
get your cds released through the exact same digital distribution
channels that Lady Gaga gets. I have 4 cds and 2 eps floating around
that ether, and between all those releases, maybe 1 cd worth of
material would pass the muster of a major indie record label's
standards - and that's me going easy on myself. ("Major Indie"= ; - I
like that term. I'm thinking of a well-known indie record label such as Thrill Jockey or Kranky.)

So, it's great for artists because it's easy to get global distribu= tion.
But it's bad for artists because it encourages us to put stuff in
front of global ears before we've really developed our craft, and we tend to be judged based on our early releases.

It's great for audiences because rare and unusual stuff is more
accessible than ever.
But it's bad for audiences because finding the good stuff requires
digging through a large amount of bad results.

I think we'll start seeing editors pop up in different forms, such as music writers, radio djs, podcasters, bloggers, etc. Like the
musicians though anyone who wants to be in that position can do so
without a significant investment. The only limit there will be who
bothers to make the effort.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
http= ://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

> Sylvain Poitras <sylv= ain.trombone@gmail.com> was all:

>> Someone said:
>>>> worthy of documentation on youtube...
>>
>> That cracked me up... =A0but it could give rise to a potentially >> interesting new thread on what the demise of the editor (due to >> increase ease of self-publication or self-diffusion more generally= )
>> means for the quality of art.
>> Anyone can publish their shit... =A0there is no gatekeeper. =A0Whi= ch is
>> awesome/awful.
>>
>> I recently watched this documentary that presented some views on t= his,
>> might be of interest to some of you: http://vimeo.com/34608191
>>
>> Sylvain
>>
>




--
Petri


--e89a8f3ba84338b3a204b771284a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:16:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA92D183489; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=fQVfKSeKHZwajks/qc0qa+v/pRrQCsSNzv7E+J3+rhc=; b=GkDGNFrX1zK3l0oGCUEjUrCxzw9fp2N3/tqW3SADxy4aDSA/k+0qchRMHd4u2kY4KT NQoVsXN+hoGPk4w2sxPYN2+iDDj8FxJvSsqLJofEOQebNO083ndsOts6aapCDZyOZZme nhLQyySsPEDi3EimI2gZxAx3TfSMfIousBsV4= Message-ID: <5CA01F6CC4E8494CB3C459F2C7AA50FA@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0E9C3B12-0EE6-45FF-B43B-A9ABAB54202C@orange.fr> <67442347-5627-4556-BEA9-353604345171@orange.fr> In-Reply-To: <67442347-5627-4556-BEA9-353604345171@orange.fr> Subject: Re: Back to Live Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:16:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: <7oYLPC.A.B5B.-pYIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:16:46 +0000 (UTC) I think "Best Way" is relative to each of our needs, but this is what I do. I pop Mobius inside a Live audio track. Then for any other audio or MIDI track I want to loop, I route the output of that track to the Mobius track, and then Mobius track routes to Main. Then you have to decide whether you want Mobius to sync to Live, or Live syncs to Mobius. I can't speak for the latter, but others like Per can. As for the former, you just change the settings in Mobius so that it syncs to host, and either bar or beat. I use beat because I don't like to be forced into conventional time signatures. The only downfall, is that you have to start a clip in Live to start looping...correct me if I am wrong, Per or anyone. This has been the only limiation I could find. ----- Original Message ----- Thanls, that's straight forward. What is rhe best way to set up mobius on Live? Antony Hequet Poet composer On 2012-01-26, at 17:42, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > Mobius in Live is the ticket for me. Though I imagine you could use any > VST looper inside Live like the EDP version, etc. The Live looper sucks > in my opinion. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > After working with LP1 for a while, I am returning to Live. I see there > is now a looper now a looper in Live bug limited. Is Mobius in Live still > tgd yop choice? > > Antony Hequet > Poet composer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:22:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5018B18348C; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3t4jcyhHcOwBOpCn/fcsN9YqrGNIVprK1Gi9yGDMDWE=; b=ObIG+UK9Q4dO9jlYR7fO52NFNmsg/vhLirDuHYKYjMJD6wIST4ZSTgO/3tSAbQxGii aGsBfK1sephmvJdpvjIbMpoc6DxsQSqWlptzqv5dzMCdNVEsO7lcyrty2xQmwVa9ZGL4 fIYbihK+Lb2XhCVvXyY35bRXa3ZPOwC0rppkE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:22:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:22:20 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:46 PM, RP Collier wrote: > Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell > pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data > control" devises. > > > > I still use the old Pluggo AUs and they work in Logic. > They are built with Max/MSP. > Perhaps you could put together something at least workable with that? Might > be similar available in the Cycling 74 forums. > > BobC Hi Bob, Pluggo is a long time faborite of mine! But no "swell pedal" there and they aren't available in the AU format (long time discontinued actaually). I'm keeping an eye on Max 6 to see if it may allow you to export plugins like the old Cycling stuff did for the VST protocol. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:26:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B346C18348A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2GjDKbawsVMF0S/8nvMw6hnxu72qN774toSMj6CkPbk=; b=J12Xsgp1qtzyxJWVhkw4qR+jLyUBtiXsRmv9C11foyLPFMsZVuWJTXr/Y1QStD8GMK wKvptXdSdFu4TwzV9Peyqspb64s2sgvZEG2woTDvAYg2FVjziHNGz9zk1d6+ujXUg706 PYgqSRzrWYnNd5c+lyIwOnaAi63AelThzPTQc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5CA01F6CC4E8494CB3C459F2C7AA50FA@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0E9C3B12-0EE6-45FF-B43B-A9ABAB54202C@orange.fr> <67442347-5627-4556-BEA9-353604345171@orange.fr> <5CA01F6CC4E8494CB3C459F2C7AA50FA@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:26:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Back to Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Just a quick note here: If you're using a Mac and wants to run Mobius as a synced plugin in Live, be sure to use Mobius VST rather than Mobius AU. That's because in the AU version the host sync is buggy. Per On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > I think "Best Way" is relative to each of our needs, but this is what I d= o. > I pop Mobius inside a Live audio track. =C2=A0Then for any other audio or= MIDI > track I want to loop, I route the output of that track to the Mobius trac= k, > and then Mobius track routes to Main. =C2=A0 Then you have to decide whet= her you > want Mobius to sync to Live, or Live syncs to Mobius. =C2=A0I can't speak= for the > latter, but others like Per can. =C2=A0As for the former, you just change= the > settings in Mobius so that it syncs to host, and either bar or beat. I us= e > beat because I don't like to be forced into conventional time signatures. > The only downfall, is that you have to start a clip in Live to start > looping...correct me if I am wrong, Per or anyone. =C2=A0This has been th= e only > limiation I could find. > ----- Original Message ----- > > Thanls, that's straight forward. What is rhe best way to set up mobius on > Live? > > Antony Hequet > Poet composer > > > On 2012-01-26, at 17:42, "Kris Hartung" wrote= : > >> Mobius in Live is the ticket for me. =C2=A0Though I imagine you could us= e any >> VST looper inside Live like the EDP version, etc. =C2=A0The Live looper = sucks in >> my opinion. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> After working with LP1 for a while, I am =C2=A0returning to Live. I see = there >> is now a looper now a looper in Live bug limited. Is Mobius in Live stil= l >> tgd yop choice? >> >> Antony Hequet >> Poet composer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:32:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64022183489; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=J6Eb2iktx7GJQJy5hv90jWdZpwS+6bUNhbeQuUNyhms=; b=GOyVNzlNlRC2BkuzyS6krvWApXxoP+JVpwRmhMeyBNzKKUEo7rS0MHCm6XqQZC3WZA rlAsCCGD9k0FZwIfs7kKRSHYBHoHU/7U57haDg73iWjhzchBEgmoOQnfZTjW3JQT3IVM j81tXRQIiv9K/1uP/3MRktKLf0yfKKA6fb3HM= Message-Id: <0942098A-BC59-4D6A-A2FB-B1E0FC894E24@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--747869822 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:32:44 -0800 References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:32:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--747869822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm keeping an eye on Max 6 to see if it may allow you to > export plugins like the old Cycling stuff did for the VST protocol. I thought if you have some facility with Max you could build a simple swell function. The old Pluggo AU has an envelope follower and a Dynamical that you could examine the build on, but I guess you would need to also build a controller signal router -- too much work I suppose unless it has been done in the forums and is shared. BobC --Apple-Mail-2--747869822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 26, 2012, = at 9:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

 I'm keeping an eye on Max 6 = to see if it may allow you to
export plugins like the old Cycling = stuff did for the VST protocol.

I = thought if you have some facility with Max you could build a simple = swell function.
The old Pluggo AU has an envelope follower and = a Dynamical that you could examine the build on, 
but I = guess you would need to also build a controller signal router -- too = much work I suppose unless it has been done in the forums and is = shared.

BobC
= --Apple-Mail-2--747869822-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:42:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB2E0183479; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Back to Live References: <0E9C3B12-0EE6-45FF-B43B-A9ABAB54202C@orange.fr> <67442347-5627-4556-BEA9-353604345171@orange.fr> <5CA01F6CC4E8494CB3C459F2C7AA50FA@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6A3E4324-17C1-48B3-BAFC-1BA9B64D0C68@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:42:06 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: <5hgQWC.A.LkC.ACZIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Got it, thanks Antony Hequet Poet composer On 2012-01-26, at 18:26, Per Boysen wrote: > Just a quick note here: > If you're using a Mac and wants to run Mobius as a synced plugin in > Live, be sure to use Mobius VST rather than Mobius AU. That's because > in the AU version the host sync is buggy. >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: >> I think "Best Way" is relative to each of our needs, but this is what I d= o. >> I pop Mobius inside a Live audio track. Then for any other audio or MIDI= >> track I want to loop, I route the output of that track to the Mobius trac= k, >> and then Mobius track routes to Main. Then you have to decide whether y= ou >> want Mobius to sync to Live, or Live syncs to Mobius. I can't speak for t= he >> latter, but others like Per can. As for the former, you just change the >> settings in Mobius so that it syncs to host, and either bar or beat. I us= e >> beat because I don't like to be forced into conventional time signatures.= >> The only downfall, is that you have to start a clip in Live to start >> looping...correct me if I am wrong, Per or anyone. This has been the onl= y >> limiation I could find. >> ----- Original Message ----- >>=20 >> Thanls, that's straight forward. What is rhe best way to set up mobius on= >> Live? >>=20 >> Antony Hequet >> Poet composer >>=20 >>=20 >> On 2012-01-26, at 17:42, "Kris Hartung" wrote= : >>=20 >>> Mobius in Live is the ticket for me. Though I imagine you could use any= >>> VST looper inside Live like the EDP version, etc. The Live looper sucks= in >>> my opinion. >>>=20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>=20 >>> After working with LP1 for a while, I am returning to Live. I see there= >>> is now a looper now a looper in Live bug limited. Is Mobius in Live stil= l >>> tgd yop choice? >>>=20 >>> Antony Hequet >>> Poet composer >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:44:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3624618348F; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HoEffhsnZkmkLtu37o/2sqIb17+7FHlhM1ga6YyIiss=; b=jaDxUCtGEmEVCUMOx+YtM2QnVj/3UGYWyGYu2o6OyKbse2UC1l+d/gda2j14cGm7Ul Nj6G7uSWxks41MxDL/ySjxu2efMNhJEK0hZXznRuBjloE6HswMMvb1egf+G4WYWELVxp HDDPg5F4pv1Gby94b0m10eVSgjWtLavk0o7E8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6A3E4324-17C1-48B3-BAFC-1BA9B64D0C68@orange.fr> References: <0E9C3B12-0EE6-45FF-B43B-A9ABAB54202C@orange.fr> <67442347-5627-4556-BEA9-353604345171@orange.fr> <5CA01F6CC4E8494CB3C459F2C7AA50FA@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6A3E4324-17C1-48B3-BAFC-1BA9B64D0C68@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:44:04 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Back to Live From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3YLXZC.A.yqC.kDZIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:44:05 +0000 (UTC) there are two ways to set up mobius in live you can have it sit in an audio track and have all the mobius tracks mixed together and output on that audio track, or you can have it sit in an audio track and have all the mobius tracks send their audio to individual tracks in live. the second approach is handy if you want to effect individual tracks with plugins. method for the second approach - set up 8 audio tracks drop mobius in the first one and set the audio input to your audio interfac= e in the remaining seven tracks, select A. From =3D Mobius and then underneath that select "3/4 mobius", "5/6 mobius" etc etc i usually set the audio output of all 8 tracks to "sends only" - one send is empty and the other contains plugins for audio treatments sim sorry kris - i think this went to you only On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Antony Hequet wr= ote: > Got it, thanks > > Antony Hequet > Poet composer > > On 2012-01-26, at 18:26, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Just a quick note here: >> If you're using a Mac and wants to run Mobius as a synced plugin in >> Live, be sure to use Mobius VST rather than Mobius AU. That's because >> in the AU version the host sync is buggy. >> >> Per >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >>> I think "Best Way" is relative to each of our needs, but this is what I= do. >>> I pop Mobius inside a Live audio track. =A0Then for any other audio or = MIDI >>> track I want to loop, I route the output of that track to the Mobius tr= ack, >>> and then Mobius track routes to Main. =A0 Then you have to decide wheth= er you >>> want Mobius to sync to Live, or Live syncs to Mobius. =A0I can't speak = for the >>> latter, but others like Per can. =A0As for the former, you just change = the >>> settings in Mobius so that it syncs to host, and either bar or beat. I = use >>> beat because I don't like to be forced into conventional time signature= s. >>> The only downfall, is that you have to start a clip in Live to start >>> looping...correct me if I am wrong, Per or anyone. =A0This has been the= only >>> limiation I could find. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> Thanls, that's straight forward. What is rhe best way to set up mobius = on >>> Live? >>> >>> Antony Hequet >>> Poet composer >>> >>> >>> On 2012-01-26, at 17:42, "Kris Hartung" wro= te: >>> >>>> Mobius in Live is the ticket for me. =A0Though I imagine you could use= any >>>> VST looper inside Live like the EDP version, etc. =A0The Live looper s= ucks in >>>> my opinion. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> After working with LP1 for a while, I am =A0returning to Live. I see t= here >>>> is now a looper now a looper in Live bug limited. Is Mobius in Live st= ill >>>> tgd yop choice? >>>> >>>> Antony Hequet >>>> Poet composer >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:46:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AE4D18348A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:45:20 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Jello:-) What is mainstage: a host applicztion for bothj Live and Mobius? Sorry for the numb skull question! Antony Hequet Poet composer On 2012-01-26, at 16:31, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Louie, >=20 > The sync update of Live happened long ago. It doesn't help for the > audio artifacts that appears in slave sync mode. Maybe I should have > called it "a fidelity issue" instead? ;-) >=20 > To repeat: when running Live synced to MIDI clock a lot of changes you > do by external MIDI control creates cracks and pops in the audio. I > didn't want that so I moved on to set up the same rig in Biule. It > worked fine (better actually) until the very last stage where Bidule > just crashed (maybe a memory issue?). Finally I built the same rig in > Mainstage 2.2 yesterday and it is turned out to be the best > application for my needs (which is extensive Mobius live looping, > setting the temp by first loop catching in Mobius, host application > following Mobius' tempo by internal (IAC Bus) MIDI Clock. Host loaded > with lots of tempo dependent effects, a synth channel, two mono audio > inputs, a stereo audio inputs and two effect aux tracks with > "playable" effects.) >=20 > That's my general bare bones report that I hope will help some folks > to spend less time in the tech pit and more time making music. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: >> hey Per there seems to be an Ableton update that addresses the sync >> problem,how it working now slaved to mobius? any better? >>=20 >> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> Well, I wouldn't think you'd have to emulate that. Ableton Live and >>> Mobius seem to be almost identical when it comes to recording and >>> stacking up alternative sets of loops on several parallel tracks. >>>=20 >>> Differences are that Live can not overdub and multiply into the same >>> loop (like Mobius) and Mobius won't make you manually change the order >>> of the loops once they are recorded (as you can do in Live). >>>=20 >>> I spent yesterday recreating my live looping setup based on Mobius as >>> the tempo sync master in the new Mainstage 2.2 and it worked out >>> exceptionally well. During almost a month work in Live it felt like a >>> wonderful revelation to be back on the super fidelity that MS >>> provides! I have no idea why but my stuff sounds so much better when >>> piped out through Mainstage, guessing there must be something about >>> how the compressors work and how the audio engine handles summing of >>> audio streams. And the new multi CPU/core support was evident as a >>> seemingly never ending DSP power. But it seems you need to re-build MS >>> concerts from scratch in 2.2 to get it right and the trick to make the >>> new multi core handling happen is to keep CPU intensive channelstrips >>> without any cross talking like side-chaining or sending audio through >>> a bus to an aux that also receives audio sent from other >>> channelstrips. That is the same logic as in how you set up big >>> projects in Bidule, but while you have to assign objects manually in >>> Bidule to be taken care of by another CPU/core this is automatic in MS >>> 2.2. Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell >>> pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data >>> control" devises. An option totally lacking in MS (if not using a >>> third-party plugin like Amplitube 3 that has a good swell pedal >>> simulation, but to me both Sticks and guitars sound more interesting >>> without such tube amp/cab simulation. Well you can actually cheat up a >>> rather lame swell pedal in Mainstage by using the Envelope plugin, but >>> it's kind of somewhere on a scale between half-assed and luke warm). >>> So if someone can recommend an Audio Unit plugin that applies "swell >>> attack" to the audio signal I'd be grateful for hint ;-) >>>=20 >>> Greetings from Sweden >>>=20 >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >>>> Hi Per >>>>=20 >>>> fair enough, esp. if you use Max4Live as a crazy effect tool ;-) >>>>=20 >>>> Personally, I actually would like to use Ableton for both live looping a= nd recording. But at the moment it's just not flexible enough. >>>> So what I end up doing is emulating Ableton clip/scene behaviour in Mob= ius. Oh well... >>>>=20 >>>> best regards >>>> Buzap >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir >>>> belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> www.luis-angulo.com >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:48:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4905118348A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3OgPJ9PqHO3GeexyXSO3oaMoMvkqC4jooDWkBN+ETM0=; b=xpZUM+89N4gviqvUOVlBJaKVhVjn6xVkzbnr6CiK3xfAL8rRAlT6zBVZDOTd7M+rIS tGVJxzniiYQSDCLei3MQx4dpi+W++VPhhZR9c8zfremTeMGMlw5QjUMb4S0frs83FJ29 zSP/2gsvwr2TNLnemTJOoAJb2/7H0ugCKBkhQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:48:12 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04374917e51a8204b771fb7a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:48:13 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04374917e51a8204b771fb7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why not send a ramp up to a volume output of some sort? Have it re-trigger to a snare hit on the one count. That's what I do with hardware. On Jan 26, 2012 11:22 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:46 PM, RP Collier > wrote: > > Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell > > pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data > > control" devises. > > > > > > > > I still use the old Pluggo AUs and they work in Logic. > > They are built with Max/MSP. > > Perhaps you could put together something at least workable with that? > Might > > be similar available in the Cycling 74 forums. > > > > BobC > > > Hi Bob, > > Pluggo is a long time faborite of mine! But no "swell pedal" there and > they aren't available in the AU format (long time discontinued > actaually). I'm keeping an eye on Max 6 to see if it may allow you to > export plugins like the old Cycling stuff did for the VST protocol. > > Per > > --f46d04374917e51a8204b771fb7a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Why not send a ramp up to a volume output of some sort? Have it re-trigg= er to a snare hit on the one count.

That's what I do with hardware.

On Jan 26, 2012 11:22 AM, "Per Boysen"= <perboysen@gmail.com> wro= te:
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:46 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:
> Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell > pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope foll= ow to data
> control" devises.
>
>
>
> I still use the old Pluggo AUs and they work in Logic.
> They are built with Max/MSP.
> Perhaps you could put together something at least workable with that? = Might
> be similar available in the Cycling 74 forums.
>
> BobC


Hi Bob,

Pluggo is a long time faborite of mine! But no "swell pedal" ther= e and
they aren't available in the AU format (long time discontinued
actaually). I'm keeping an eye on Max 6 to see if it may allow you to export plugins like the old Cycling stuff did for the VST protocol.

Per

--f46d04374917e51a8204b771fb7a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:50:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8351F18348A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=40ZZVQCWYUM6GxgFF6cwS04lhcBKo0wo2+HZ+rcEm5I=; b=A4aluUDD0rGGbX9qVi5dwo0y2QjzsynwCd80F/71vOJV8uxCAsu4LYId4+trPKaJ5O GrXrr8MU2cyb2fs+6vVaqtPSFqEpMoKAbIx0h2vmBuMOzj0q1mhS/xJiqq5Lws0BHV0h Hyin+kcwB8BrSHngmpKIJAx/F92n9PEJh36lQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:50:42 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:50:43 +0000 (UTC) per - this any good to you? http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=251 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:54:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92F65183486; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=m1mM16Fp7g8u7DjEDQRbwsXK8xdnANF9RmiUSc9W4qI=; b=a6mbkJGdo+El9ixWCKNi5xNe0b6Bxdzr/Cx8QIoiXunOPb0JQRP0usfvljgjOcqDVy cP/TjySigYApCRcF1ww0Mfv7odmPkjUsrJuAPIX6JEyBjhMDJELz13st/EmGhytKbzF9 oJQbCUFK4O2/90SDD/9bhgQOoKcNr8wsQe0AM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:54:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-KChPC.A.PLD.INZIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:54:16 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > per - this any good to you? > > http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=251 Yes, I'm using that one all over the place in Live. The electronician's Swizz army knife! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:57:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 270E018348A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=e1uGsfWTuo1ile9Mf2At1Ed02eUiLfjbyUNytHj5Guc=; b=uSKtdaF0hyZEZSYxEvw6K2MgPsocQ3aUfXpCcFBGgrh2N3faYJc3sc/EJ3KjnvCtO2 GkKAhMn1Aq4wxcV8E/Ip7R08f71hazk5q7vc2J3JUzBeMz5G780rWZEYTX0RXQXYwhWo QXHHRllx5ljd4BUVk6iSxY+divxtLSX+6MSGo= Subject: Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live References: <20120124121224.83720@gmx.net> <20120126065918.19200@gmx.net> From: F_Anile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8L1) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8C6E2A33-CB19-442F-A42B-E1D16E0222EF@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:58:00 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8L1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:57:53 +0000 (UTC) >=20 > That's my general bare bones report that I hope will help some folks > to spend less time in the tech pit and more time making music. >=20 Thanks for continue to share your deep knowledge. You're a blessing for the l= ist -f www.eterogeneo.com >>>=20 >>> piped out through Mainstage, guessing there must be something about >>> how the compressors work and how the audio engine handles summing of >>> audio streams. And the new multi CPU/core support was evident as a >>> seemingly never ending DSP power. But it seems you need to re-build MS >>> concerts from scratch in 2.2 to get it right and the trick to make the >>> new multi core handling happen is to keep CPU intensive channelstrips >>> without any cross talking like side-chaining or sending audio through >>> a bus to an aux that also receives audio sent from other >>> channelstrips. That is the same logic as in how you set up big >>> projects in Bidule, but while you have to assign objects manually in >>> Bidule to be taken care of by another CPU/core this is automatic in MS >>> 2.2. Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell >>> pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data >>> control" devises. An option totally lacking in MS (if not using a >>> third-party plugin like Amplitube 3 that has a good swell pedal >>> simulation, but to me both Sticks and guitars sound more interesting >>> without such tube amp/cab simulation. Well you can actually cheat up a >>> rather lame swell pedal in Mainstage by using the Envelope plugin, but >>> it's kind of somewhere on a scale between half-assed and luke warm). >>> So if someone can recommend an Audio Unit plugin that applies "swell >>> attack" to the audio signal I'd be grateful for hint ;-) >>>=20 >>> Greetings from Sweden >>>=20 >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >>>> Hi Per >>>>=20 >>>> fair enough, esp. if you use Max4Live as a crazy effect tool ;-) >>>>=20 >>>> Personally, I actually would like to use Ableton for both live looping a= nd recording. But at the moment it's just not flexible enough. >>>> So what I end up doing is emulating Ableton clip/scene behaviour in Mob= ius. Oh well... >>>>=20 >>>> best regards >>>> Buzap >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir >>>> belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> www.luis-angulo.com >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:06:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE99C183492; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Missing Link From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) Message-Id: <40F49C98-FEE7-4754-8C54-9FF8799AB2F0@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:06:11 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone have experience with the Missing Link? Does it generate ir's own= wifi network? How well does it integrate with TouchOSC or OSCulator? Sny ot= her wireless controllers out there aside from iPad Andro=C3=AFd with OSC? Antony Hequet Poet composer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:07:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0966C18349B; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-19(zzbb2dI9371I936eK542M1432N98dKzz1202hzz8275bhz2fhc1bhc31hc1ah2a8h668h839h944h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail58-db3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: Kris Hartung , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Back to Live Thread-Topic: Back to Live Thread-Index: AQHM3ET6mC/8dZHCu0W6CemRPRmy3pYe2oYAgAAJh0n//6llAA== Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:06:56 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5CA01F6CC4E8494CB3C459F2C7AA50FA@americas.hpqcorp.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.83.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:07:02 +0000 (UTC) > On 1/26/12 11:16 AM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > The only downfall, is that you have to start a clip in Live to start > looping...correct me if I am wrong, Per or anyone. This has been the >only > limiation I could find. When you configure Mobius for host sync, it waits for beat or bar pulses from the host. In Live these start being sent when you start the transport by clicking on the little triangle. I only use Live for testing so I can't say for sure but there may be a way to start the transport without having any clips be audible if you want to bring them in later. If not then I guess you would have to start with a silent clip. How would you prefer this to work? Jeff On 1/26/12 11:16 AM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: >I think "Best Way" is relative to each of our needs, but this is what I >do.=20 >I pop Mobius inside a Live audio track. Then for any other audio or MIDI >track I want to loop, I route the output of that track to the Mobius >track,=20 >and then Mobius track routes to Main. Then you have to decide whether >you=20 >want Mobius to sync to Live, or Live syncs to Mobius. I can't speak for >the=20 >latter, but others like Per can. As for the former, you just change the >settings in Mobius so that it syncs to host, and either bar or beat. I >use=20 >beat because I don't like to be forced into conventional time signatures. >The only downfall, is that you have to start a clip in Live to start >looping...correct me if I am wrong, Per or anyone. This has been the >only=20 >limiation I could find. >----- Original Message ----- > > >Thanls, that's straight forward. What is rhe best way to set up mobius on >Live? > >Antony Hequet >Poet composer > >On 2012-01-26, at 17:42, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > >> Mobius in Live is the ticket for me. Though I imagine you could use >>any=20 >> VST looper inside Live like the EDP version, etc. The Live looper >>sucks=20 >> in my opinion. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> After working with LP1 for a while, I am returning to Live. I see >>there=20 >> is now a looper now a looper in Live bug limited. Is Mobius in Live >>still=20 >> tgd yop choice? >> >> Antony Hequet >> Poet composer=20 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:07:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 240041834A8; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7J5yiQT47N3o+BGsmzporBOmOr8CSpOXeWb/ze/zM18=; b=VxAC7HdoGuUzpjs8GJ9MIhvHxx31FqN/injSInoGfIWjGVmWKWWJ8kgjv+oq6XipWC VvFnZ/bLFh2rwNhapcC0fQ+htt2DzHyRVPYXKa2EdILZh9WgZpvFBt350BSBGMd5ldnm 352+nwBcRCkc8P2WpxKkAjYZTjdkqLYidw1a8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:07:08 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:07:09 +0000 (UTC) I think you are right, but that's a shame, because it wouldn't take too much code to make the sites a good place to browse for music. Making bandcamp browseable would be a piece of cake. Just make it so keyword searches display bands instead of albums. While mp3.com had some flaws in their band pages, they had an excellent feature where users could build playlists of songs. All it did was build an m3u playlist file, but it would then post on an artist's page which playlists they were on, and it was an easy way to find similar music. It was also a great way to promote your own band - create a playlist of similar bands and slip your own song in there somewhere. It would be really easy to build something like that, and on a site where downloads generate revenue (as is the case on some bandcamp pages), it would probably quickly pay for itself. This was like 14 years ago, and none of the other sites have figured it out yet. It's a shame that these sites have the potential to become global communities of musicians, but instead they become large communities where nobody interacts with each other. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > I think the meaning of these sites is not to be the super markets of musi= c, > rather than platforms for the bands and bands market their thing elsewher= e. > With content as large as on the case of SoundCloud, its really hard to ma= ke > the searches work.... 10 million users > > btw, did you see this > http://storywheel.cc/alex-eric/soundcloud-story > > > > > 2012/1/26 Matt Davignon >> >> I haven't had time to see the clip, but I'm fully aware of the ease of >> proliferation on the internet, and its effects on self-editing. For >> me, it all started with mp3.com. (Anyone remember mp3.com?) Mp3.com >> was sort of a granddaddy to bandcamp and soundcloud, in that amateur >> musicians could post their work up there in the spirit of sharing, but >> that it's seldomly treated with the same respect as an actual CD >> release. (By that I mean that it's hard to get people to review your >> bandcamp page, or to get radio stations to play tracks from one.) To >> go a step further, it's now even harder to browse for music on >> bandcamp than it was on mp3.com. If I type in a keyword on bandcamp, I >> get thousands of results, about 3/4 of which appear to have no >> relation to the search term. And the artists who I think are generic >> or undeveloped are the ones that have 10 or 20 records clogging the >> results. Bandcamp only works if you already know the band you're >> looking for. >> >> Most of the sites have some sort of genre search or keyword search, >> but nobody's making sure that artists mark their work appropriately. >> For example, marking a techno track as "international" in hopes it >> will net more listeners. >> >> But now things are at a point where, without too much effort, you can >> get your cds released through the exact same digital distribution >> channels that Lady Gaga gets. I have 4 cds and 2 eps floating around >> that ether, and between all those releases, maybe 1 cd worth of >> material would pass the muster of a major indie record label's >> standards - and that's me going easy on myself. ("Major Indie" - I >> like that term. I'm thinking of a well-known indie record label such >> as Thrill Jockey or Kranky.) >> >> So, it's great for artists because it's easy to get global distribution. >> But it's bad for artists because it encourages us to put stuff in >> front of global ears before we've really developed our craft, and we >> tend to be judged based on our early releases. >> >> It's great for audiences because rare and unusual stuff is more >> accessible than ever. >> But it's bad for audiences because finding the good stuff requires >> digging through a large amount of bad results. >> >> I think we'll start seeing editors pop up in different forms, such as >> music writers, radio djs, podcasters, bloggers, etc. Like the >> musicians though anyone who wants to be in that position can do so >> without a significant investment. The only limit there will be who >> bothers to make the effort. >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >> >> > Sylvain Poitras was all: >> >> >> Someone said: >> >>>> worthy of documentation on youtube... >> >> >> >> That cracked me up... =A0but it could give rise to a potentially >> >> interesting new thread on what the demise of the editor (due to >> >> increase ease of self-publication or self-diffusion more generally) >> >> means for the quality of art. >> >> Anyone can publish their shit... =A0there is no gatekeeper. =A0Which = is >> >> awesome/awful. >> >> >> >> I recently watched this documentary that presented some views on this= , >> >> might be of interest to some of you: http://vimeo.com/34608191 >> >> >> >> Sylvain >> >> >> > >> > > > > -- > Petri > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:13:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44EBC18349C; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=d3NJTfpJl+i/NtzTHMqxEaExUoz4ACgf/j6TnBT/tE8=; b=ST86KaOwDr+/CmzGJWoA1r5+8Ug2+/8gVO393xeg78QfJk6HQ0/c7PNdLLro2yndwu MlKiMswARbd/D9bgc3Tj3YyqWUiw/bhUYKuiZi/0312KOoH2Whwp3nTSnXnHpU4zIGEZ XpsP8HdH/TTVhn4DH0s7tLu7CTpVSLV1HNu58= Message-ID: <66FE1A102D8F4F70A5F456EABFA4DF84@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Back to Live Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:13:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Yes, interesting. Using a silent clip or just muting it works, but then you are still confined by the host's tempo. Sometimes I just like to freely loop with no tempo. I guess I could run two instances of Mobius in Live, one that syncs to host and one with no sync. Then I could MIDI map a button that turns one off and the other on, and visa versa. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > On 1/26/12 11:16 AM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > The only downfall, is that you have to start a clip in Live to start > looping...correct me if I am wrong, Per or anyone. This has been the >only > limiation I could find. When you configure Mobius for host sync, it waits for beat or bar pulses from the host. In Live these start being sent when you start the transport by clicking on the little triangle. I only use Live for testing so I can't say for sure but there may be a way to start the transport without having any clips be audible if you want to bring them in later. If not then I guess you would have to start with a silent clip. How would you prefer this to work? Jeff On 1/26/12 11:16 AM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: >I think "Best Way" is relative to each of our needs, but this is what I >do. >I pop Mobius inside a Live audio track. Then for any other audio or MIDI >track I want to loop, I route the output of that track to the Mobius >track, >and then Mobius track routes to Main. Then you have to decide whether >you >want Mobius to sync to Live, or Live syncs to Mobius. I can't speak for >the >latter, but others like Per can. As for the former, you just change the >settings in Mobius so that it syncs to host, and either bar or beat. I >use >beat because I don't like to be forced into conventional time signatures. >The only downfall, is that you have to start a clip in Live to start >looping...correct me if I am wrong, Per or anyone. This has been the >only >limiation I could find. >----- Original Message ----- > > >Thanls, that's straight forward. What is rhe best way to set up mobius on >Live? > >Antony Hequet >Poet composer > >On 2012-01-26, at 17:42, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > >> Mobius in Live is the ticket for me. Though I imagine you could use >>any >> VST looper inside Live like the EDP version, etc. The Live looper >>sucks >> in my opinion. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> After working with LP1 for a while, I am returning to Live. I see >>there >> is now a looper now a looper in Live bug limited. Is Mobius in Live >>still >> tgd yop choice? >> >> Antony Hequet >> Poet composer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:17:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E69B1834BA; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZuRoEkyc0k1/0Fgf88dMaN4SsElt0nsLPxVmR7LkwrY=; b=dd5e6BWqJN161XqGJA6WJ65pnRmaCc0fjsxOOv8Kx77J1NUJloktnaO49oOT2HqFGR X+fXCdNMxMgeMV3Acu8F1geayxMvpfNZ+1W/tgOs7YBytQnDEwjlgpY3HbhS1ZeMEqjn RLMOMui6GcgqeTXWFtv/mjLg995yyonvTaCpw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66FE1A102D8F4F70A5F456EABFA4DF84@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <66FE1A102D8F4F70A5F456EABFA4DF84@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:17:11 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Back to Live From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:17:12 +0000 (UTC) what you need to do here kris is set up two presets - one set to lock into host sync and the other with sync off then in the track setup section of mobius, define which tracks you want to lock in and which ones you don't then you can have both behaviours at your disposal with a single instance of mobius sim On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Yes, interesting. =A0Using a silent clip or just muting it works, but the= n you > are still confined by the host's tempo. > Sometimes I just like to freely loop with no tempo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:27:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D931C1834C0; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oejy84NkQYtc2liL+oW7W32BzwCUx8WSD3VZT+Ohm9g=; b=pI9Q8L7YD4F22cP43nXiQMv5JkNMZGTztpZh/d2QhbZ/flWznZiBdFiIGK5jSBbfj0 z1jrTS/DBwYFaORFzyKcXIu8t10HloJ1UxdAQbGFrJrvXBCYoycAR6uwTVb0R6ATmnJg taRJCmxjnE9pjXUuQahdipmD4HTC1q9E/EdZU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:27:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:27:23 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > (Anyone remember mp3.com?) Oh yes, those were fun days! When Michael Robertsson was leading mp3.com, in the year 2000, they launched a "CD cloud storage stream listening" service not very unlike Apple's brand new Music Match service of today. But mp3.com got busted for copyright infringement because they had only negotiated collaboration deals with the CD retail stores, totally forgetting to retrieve licenses from the legal rights owners of the music (composers, artists, musicians, record labels, publishing). Man, what a bummer! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:28:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2E8B1834D1; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-5(zzbb2dI9371I98dKzz1202hzz8275bhz2fhc1bhc31hc1ah2a8h668h839h944h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail119-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: Kris Hartung , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Back to Live Thread-Topic: Back to Live Thread-Index: AQHM3ET6mC/8dZHCu0W6CemRPRmy3pYe2oYAgAAJh0n//6llAIAAZniA//+fiYA= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:28:24 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <66FE1A102D8F4F70A5F456EABFA4DF84@americas.hpqcorp.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.83.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <34DE3DA51730D94E846AA9289B1519B4@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <1XIj9D.A.QME.OtZIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Each Mobius track can have a different sync mode. So you could set up track 1 to sync to Live and track 2 to freewheel. Then you select which track you want before playing. You could even combine them and have a mixture of synced and unsynced tracks. Track selection can be done from a MIDI pedal if you don't like clicking on the Mobius window. Jeff On 1/26/12 12:13 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: >Yes, interesting. Using a silent clip or just muting it works, but then >you=20 >are still confined by the host's tempo. >Sometimes I just like to freely loop with no tempo. I guess I could run >two=20 >instances of Mobius in Live, one that syncs to host and one with no sync. >Then I could MIDI map a button that turns one off and the other on, and >visa=20 >versa. >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:40:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E1C21834D9; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <38AE5F7C51694045AE76CB66B4C8AFC9@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:40:20 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:40:17 +0000 (UTC) mp3.com's subjugation by the RIAA was only one of the first steps to the music biz assimilating their more effective competition. After that, Napster etc. In the process it was made more difficult for artists not affiliated with a major to get played, let alone promoted via the site. I still proudly have my 83c royalty check from IUMA... :) -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > (Anyone remember mp3.com?) Oh yes, those were fun days! When Michael Robertsson was leading mp3.com, in the year 2000, they launched a "CD cloud storage stream listening" service not very unlike Apple's brand new Music Match service of today. But mp3.com got busted for copyright infringement because they had only negotiated collaboration deals with the CD retail stores, totally forgetting to retrieve licenses from the legal rights owners of the music (composers, artists, musicians, record labels, publishing). Man, what a bummer! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:20:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C561183494; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=R9jkXVMciFdJAC9sNpUJvM2XXrJdR5R9g0IMZVjqZlE=; b=t33mVHlYDJmnhEhr0rfZ1KIlx6xVZhaZFfEbMEVtT1YKs2wVnD9RQuz8QS7SwiDmuB qQcI5iK/V6Y+zvyNQJnKCJSSCgho73RaOZU6M7WuBPGStySqnR1tIfTu299QDwkF5Waz yCEdhaRAghHPq8T0KH6Dps6OZqHWwc75I7TeA= Message-ID: <91BFAE4D825A49958E9E14493BFAC28D@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <66FE1A102D8F4F70A5F456EABFA4DF84@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Back to Live Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:20:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: <2lp9pB.A.v5E.zdaIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Awesome. Okay, I am using a non-sync preset now, but I want to do this a bit differently. I want all my tracks, so what I really want is to be able to hit a button that changes the preset. I can do this for one preset in the MIDI button config, but I don't want to waste too buttons on this. So i need a script that will make a button toggle between preset 1 and preset 2. I can't figure out how to do this. Any ideas? ----- Original Message ----- what you need to do here kris is set up two presets - one set to lock into host sync and the other with sync off then in the track setup section of mobius, define which tracks you want to lock in and which ones you don't then you can have both behaviours at your disposal with a single instance of mobius sim On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Yes, interesting. Using a silent clip or just muting it works, but then > you > are still confined by the host's tempo. > Sometimes I just like to freely loop with no tempo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:25:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CEAF183498; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=JGKbsxfO0d8U+p07r8+K65Q323Iasac+VDYHqebw+sw=; b=ejworF9P3mgbvsRW+swwy3Y9iSOD3A2KZUYngtNL+470+ggKQFzKheARY5OgJM1p1q k/8uzwELsV2YAGaeiD6d5ElxnvohmgS1OmPPKa9Oa9j2OnHbwtMPAdFK8xeanAZRe+DJ 6xqMJCUwSkN35OTZx4gcAwFGoqSivLnqorsl0= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Re: Back to Live Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:25:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Well, nevermind. I have two extra FCB buttons afterall. Works great. One button for sync, the other for no-sync. Beautiful. :) ----- Original Message ----- > Awesome. Okay, I am using a non-sync preset now, but I want to do this a > bit differently. > I want all my tracks, so what I really want is to be able to hit a button > that changes the preset. > I can do this for one preset in the MIDI button config, but I don't want > to waste too buttons on this. > So i need a script that will make a button toggle between preset 1 and > preset 2. I can't figure out how to do this. > Any ideas? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > what you need to do here kris is set up two presets - one set to lock > into host sync and the other with sync off > > then in the track setup section of mobius, define which tracks you > want to lock in and which ones you don't > > then you can have both behaviours at your disposal with a single > instance of mobius > > sim > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: >> Yes, interesting. Using a silent clip or just muting it works, but then >> you >> are still confined by the host's tempo. >> Sometimes I just like to freely loop with no tempo. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 20:05:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E65E18348E; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=A+pVEs7AN2ZBKKrnbP9qDYUp4k2gdNDgalYvLd6yi/w=; b=aRQgeGbHhxb1/ZTG99d4K8JRKgGGhftzh+CRwLnz6vo0+8VXFDnjHvn3vpTHTPxx8x wwTWo16Kmd6r8BeT/rSX8ddeG5g+YEG/Fl+B0pzcjIVtRybWiSza1z3nfK/hTsW1fGch Dw4wNgI6v1rEuNtgYAulfcgTl1ygTLyprjnuw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:05:08 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: mp3.com (was no editors = bad art) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Mp3.com's cloud cd listening system had little to do with their service of hosting mp3s for artists and bands. I'm not a fan of the RIAA, but with that service, mp3.com was attempting to monetize the works of artists and record labels who had not signed any agreements with them. (By offering an online copy of the cds you own, and selling ad revenue on that website.) By releasing it under the same website name, they made the whole ship susceptible to RIAA. It was pretty sad, because the community there was getting to be just as strong as the community here on LD. I had forgotten that before that whole ship went down, I had received checks from mp3.com because people had downloaded or played my music. Not much - I think the biggest one was like $7.00. But still, it was pretty cool, considering I offered the music for free. Matt On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > mp3.com's subjugation by the RIAA was only one of the first steps to the > music biz assimilating their more effective competition. =A0After that, > Napster etc. =A0In the process it was made more difficult for artists not > affiliated with a major to get played, let alone promoted via the site. > > I still proudly have my 83c royalty check from IUMA... :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:27 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: no editors =3D bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing > effect in dance music > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Matt Davignon > wrote: >> >> (Anyone remember mp3.com?) > > > > Oh yes, those were fun days! When Michael Robertsson was leading > mp3.com, in the year 2000, they launched a "CD cloud storage stream > listening" service not very unlike Apple's brand new Music Match > service of today. But mp3.com got busted for copyright infringement > because they had only negotiated collaboration deals with the CD > retail stores, totally forgetting to retrieve licenses from the legal > rights owners of the music (composers, artists, musicians, record > labels, publishing). Man, what a bummer! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 20:57:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD1E0183489; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=b4rcUO2ZIZBfz5vYGp+CPH+ES7d/GsQbDC3n0UPUzig=; b=sLROPV/Cufzaeff9faZvPGps7XkVglVMJiBkSrCSxsuC/EwrLCgteNrdc3Ueo2pIV8 WwWDD4bSDDh4coSyL9+X6n9A1tcU/n8+iuLFXG8YmDBjFbKHP2+isNZyxLDWk6BECux9 xD2KA7xEvOxVTJ2tACPmCwqmHaNKV4cVnVMlw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:57:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mp3.com (was no editors = bad art) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8E1d8.A.gGG.E5bIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Well, actually the services *Instant Listening* and *Beam It* at My.Mp3.com had nothing to do with the mp3 hosting service once found at mp3.com. My.Mp3.com was rather focusing on the listening consumer. Funny that you got paid for $7 for music offered for free. I know some folks here in Sweden that go a lot of money from their music on mp3.com. Per On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Matt Davignon wro= te: > Mp3.com's cloud cd listening system had little to do with their > service of hosting mp3s for artists and bands. I'm not a fan of the > RIAA, but with that service, mp3.com was attempting to monetize the > works of artists and record labels who had not signed any agreements > with them. (By offering an online copy of the cds you own, and selling > ad revenue on that website.) > > By releasing it under the same website name, they made the whole ship > susceptible to RIAA. It was pretty sad, because the community there > was getting to be just as strong as the community here on LD. > > I had forgotten that before that whole ship went down, I had received > checks from mp3.com because people had downloaded or played my music. > Not much - I think the biggest one was like $7.00. But still, it was > pretty cool, considering I offered the music for free. > > Matt > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Stephen Goodman > wrote: >> mp3.com's subjugation by the RIAA was only one of the first steps to the >> music biz assimilating their more effective competition. =C2=A0After tha= t, >> Napster etc. =C2=A0In the process it was made more difficult for artists= not >> affiliated with a major to get played, let alone promoted via the site. >> >> I still proudly have my 83c royalty check from IUMA... :) >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:27 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: OT: no editors =3D bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing >> effect in dance music >> >> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Matt Davignon >> wrote: >>> >>> (Anyone remember mp3.com?) >> >> >> >> Oh yes, those were fun days! When Michael Robertsson was leading >> mp3.com, in the year 2000, they launched a "CD cloud storage stream >> listening" service not very unlike Apple's brand new Music Match >> service of today. But mp3.com got busted for copyright infringement >> because they had only negotiated collaboration deals with the CD >> retail stores, totally forgetting to retrieve licenses from the legal >> rights owners of the music (composers, artists, musicians, record >> labels, publishing). Man, what a bummer! >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 21:09:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C1318348D; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pcj5TYXkHPAy5uFr+ZLzi/twWaM5RuLfFmkt92I8zvk=; b=WYYg2Ylg2zIdYi0tAlJ3sPff6Gc1mfesn/GNebT5bv7vTuPtKJpXllZABeEr+iEV/r Qe4NK9X4g0WZdhLNdL1EEyuzADYrTqSKcZzduLkDzxAKBfdhgmztcbX/gIDOj7veJOAd 9sFEKGzh+LEvsbrLx6RQU7SOsFwCrC/QINTI8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <008101ccdaed$119a2200$34ce6600$@michaelplishka.com> References: <018d01ccdac0$49aea4e0$dd0beea0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F1EFC2F.8090701@tiscali.co.uk> <008101ccdaed$119a2200$34ce6600$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:09:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Most likely cause of my Ebow casing degradation From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:09:39 +0000 (UTC) I had an issue with the battery lid braking and they sent me a new one free of charge but that was many years ago. Weg On 1/24/12, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > I've cleaned it all up and reassembled. Hopefully it will work . > > Interesting. Thanks for the update. I'll keep an eye on the new battery. > > Battery leaks can indeed be a bear... > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT Most likely cause of my Ebow casing degradation > > Mike, > I doubt very much it's your fault for leaving the ebow on. > When there's no string to activate the ebow uses very little power. > (and ..er..I'm *always* leaving it on...it never overheats) > > I reckon you just got a bad battery leak...unlucky. > > > > > andy > > mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > >> probs, this reinforces the theory that with the switch lodged into the > "on" >> position, the ebow overheated and the stressed battery gave up the ghost. > > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 21:52:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C39A18348C; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=jnquXuNBbfqIbZyD6+/aSV+TzfifIhG4geg621mMgSE=; b=N068Gg+qfmSYbxzyGThvKCfI5hFpg6nYXPa9yty09E/8IR3BqqTAMc8PfSS+0q2tlH SePDLNnDGs9yBYsHQkp7qcPZaBvjXoKDIdeRt03F6EzgtHPJQWbw9mZxATCTr+uXej5L aeRo4BArMP38fmctx4BUEfggMWulwYm+2lBEE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <40F49C98-FEE7-4754-8C54-9FF8799AB2F0@orange.fr> References: <40F49C98-FEE7-4754-8C54-9FF8799AB2F0@orange.fr> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:51:38 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: iZjOQx-20HkF4l1sAVbfsvv3mzE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Missing Link To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04447eebabea5f04b7756331 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:52:00 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04447eebabea5f04b7756331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Antony, Did this get answered yet.. Yes Im using it with TouchOSC.. Flawless.. !! Absolutely the best 100 bucks I ever spent.. dont hesitate.. Not completely sure why you want to use OSCUlator, cos really Missing Link is to talk to your hardware, from iPad IiPhone..if you are lugging a computer about, then why not plug in a cable? Yes regarding Wifi, you just make a search on your phone for missing link and it will be there as a wifi connetion. you connect (fill in a few details in to Touch (the first time)) and Bobs your Uncle! Mark On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Antony Hequet wro= te: > Does anyone have experience with the Missing Link? Does it generate ir's > own wifi network? How well does it integrate with TouchOSC or OSCulator? > Sny other wireless controllers out there aside from iPad Andro=EFd with O= SC? > > Antony Hequet > Poet composer > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04447eebabea5f04b7756331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Antony, Did this get answered yet..
Yes Im using it with TouchOSC.= . Flawless.. !! Absolutely the best 100 bucks I ever spent.. dont hesitate.= . Not completely sure why you want to use OSCUlator, cos really Missing Lin= k is to talk to your hardware, from iPad IiPhone..if you are lugging a comp= uter about, then why not plug in a cable?

Yes regarding Wifi, you just make a search on your phone for missing li= nk and it will be there as a wifi connetion. you connect (fill in a few det= ails in to Touch (the first time)) and Bobs your Uncle!

Mark


On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Antony = Hequet <ant= ony.hequet@orange.fr> wrote:

Antony Hequet
Poet composer




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= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d04447eebabea5f04b7756331-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 22:16:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7319183489; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=rmpzntCDSlqkqI3wqKUiLQJ+unZBme3EtKqwcrYVW3M=; b=jTQuPAgDcs9Z7bvgj9Czt2NXytMj00wTs+l3VwSvswBJv49M+NzOjGfu1ewVfI9wNq WR9BkPzmLDVHUSVfDKkBgPDLmhv0OHu2C9mUZtqbc8TuxJxEkUSieXgqpvB1qZ+gt/o5 qu5smRk7AP78QShj/q5gUtrF9QTYing+4qj8g= Subject: Re: Panic Mode References: <1327579675.72494.YahooMailClassic@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-99DCE88D-6C41-4D34-BFAA-75F67F1E708F X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <1327579675.72494.YahooMailClassic@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:16:46 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:16:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-99DCE88D-6C41-4D34-BFAA-75F67F1E708F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-pKvfDFxQGA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player Here's the video :D On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:07 AM, K D Patten wrote: > congratulations man ! you rock ! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kyle Dean Patten=20 > P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA 50131 > =20 > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patten+ >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 > http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten >=20 > --- On Wed, 1/25/12, Gmail wrote: >=20 > From: Gmail > Subject: Re: Panic Mode > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:41 PM >=20 > Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the perfor= mance went awesome :) > I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. I'll b= e posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone wants to s= ee. >=20 >=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-99DCE88D-6C41-4D34-BFAA-75F67F1E708F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 http://www.yout= ube.com/watch?v=3D-pKvfDFxQGA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player
Here's the video :D

On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:07 AM, K D= Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>= wrote:

= --Apple-Mail-99DCE88D-6C41-4D34-BFAA-75F67F1E708F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:41:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3063C183489; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 532896.74587.bm@omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1327621266; bh=obwyV8/dOAkKn8ltOS82ZIh/CoohAVop5XI0qBCQJnM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=pReQl0TiwfJjmCCRNmBO+TmgicJH+0aHBoNUQZTA7TehtfugSEQhzAc4vM2FWV5VZuZ5DdgP1y5EMPKm1hU8WI5AErB2KRusMcXZh2onFPh82gaIpTkB/U15kW515qkE34RB5ut0snof2M33TeanVyfZ3rGqHw+UTitSdb3cLX0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cL6pmcUVM1kaaB1dGXKCH2kg6Nay2SgNqKQy4Bn8fOsZWED KgrNyTLv85_TrA.alYFUIXmAi.ZxmAuNh_oydhTRZa5XcUbcGfDfMnTLQrgu v1BeNymLjvFXusPsFO4fjHNkoiMd73sMUaSx.y9EYE5mOC8v_DwR6sibIVkt 1rIRgWzIZbl1._SUBnSxd2h5R6DCel8hTJVDz0V0pBYXbNcPqBYOCBO98uLb PY0HnWPvoYJ1_d53a2_te29rU46r1SI69JGbwfNCOZKZPYyLmzFX80_hYTrv 7RO0qATFqH.IFEowMX8LWynDLJ0_tN_pdMnX50_pGIudljJ_BR6GkLQFapv6 RfyBZDvi.H1KpG6l0ARPiZ5fhOn3LRGxJXd7KK54aPNkvuU7aHJzFZFdWnlD 8Ro6.khygu98NjkZEfrq_ZiG2xnCwTZ0g7JEQbcrrXCrAUJ7lCH3HHgGMGpT NeG71GCtgHtIVypXhCcmfRU1XCWv.bRMh6ehjsDHgvy_uJ7_b3PJXiq8Qrr3 IkbTHlnJT5suLyaqL1Ay59wDpmJ.4mfAydPemHs.gjxGIIDUH.zXUOBwPcys 7B_Noe1tlFYV3ddzsTI_kbKTSK4JYhnbfz4GsdfC1bdkC4voQ6y0JsXxK6z. 9DQk4YUi2SzzoO6J5vfeYvDhBPnd.qrcMEXKFdDm8ixy2IsIPoXf3eN6P30n GejmOZwemPlweH3hDsBR6_agOkwArGmuEaNlldkEQW3pGpcIEDoB_aqQr7gM OJsdZEnc4kJbbFG4- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DD50302C-CF91-4C76-9C14-4CE44DAFBAC0" Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:41:07 -0800 In-Reply-To: <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1327579675.72494.YahooMailClassic@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> Message-Id: <5DD2AA02-3C0D-4FE6-B767-3CE6D171F95B@att.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:41:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_DD50302C-CF91-4C76-9C14-4CE44DAFBAC0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice work! And I checked out your Loops. Nice too. Loop 8 ruled = especially, and that's probably because I have a certain affection for = noise... Laurie On Jan 26, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: > = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-pKvfDFxQGA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_playe= r >=20 > Here's the video :D >=20 > On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:07 AM, K D Patten wrote: >=20 >> congratulations man ! you rock ! >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Kyle Dean Patten=20 >> P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA 50131 >> =20 >> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patten+ >>=20 >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 >> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 >> http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten >>=20 >> --- On Wed, 1/25/12, Gmail wrote: >>=20 >> From: Gmail >> Subject: Re: Panic Mode >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = >> Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:41 PM >>=20 >> Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the = performance went awesome :) >> I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. = I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone = wants to see. >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 --Apple-Mail=_DD50302C-CF91-4C76-9C14-4CE44DAFBAC0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Nice = work! And I checked out your Loops. Nice too. Loop 8 ruled especially, = and that's probably because I have a certain affection for = noise...

Laurie
On Jan 26, 2012, at 2:16 = PM, Gmail wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-pKvfDFxQGA&feature=3D= youtube_gdata_player

Here's the video = :D

On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:07 AM, K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com> = wrote:

congratulations man !    you rock !





Kyle Dean Patt= en
P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA  50131
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http:/= /lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patten+

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---= On Wed, 1/25/12, Gmail <k3zz21= @gmail.com> wrote:

From: Gmail= <k3zz21@gmail.com>
Subject= : Re: Panic Mode
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
D= ate: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:41 PM

=
Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and th= e performance went awesome :)
I managed to stay pretty calm on sta= ge and actually had a good time. I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops= 27 youtube channel if anyone wants to see.



= --Apple-Mail=_DD50302C-CF91-4C76-9C14-4CE44DAFBAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 00:31:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8395718348C; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=4I0mGjtDad9qd3dEjoXmJCaC08uPSN6pKPnke5KwJV4=; b=ctJTZxqaFd4e4USA+k5o3fBbxbzFq9zL3MyHkyWvx1Ew+LHF1cioP5f0+BtPjflQ/i FCJFODRqeaxnZtLgJD3oXEtiCbG2MDyuNOxvHbubUtI3ikFYKwwh9Zx0gnUT5A+17E51 b8g0sra3bZ7dBopbFUcpcvoGZBZFgFqPJKH4M= Message-Id: <92520D77-6E01-4543-99D8-6B6700B6008E@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--722784990 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:30:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:31:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--722784990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 26, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > I still proudly have my 83c royalty check from IUMA... :) Ha, me too, my check was for less -- the check plus processing must have cost more than the royalty. Suitable for framing! BobC --Apple-Mail-4--722784990 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 26, 2012, at = 10:40 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote:

I still = proudly have my 83c royalty check from IUMA... = :)


Ha, me too, my check = was for less -- the check plus processing must have cost more than the = royalty.

Suitable for = framing!

BobC
= --Apple-Mail-4--722784990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 08:38:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B14BB183486; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Panic Mode Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:38:31 +0100 Message-ID: <005c01ccdccf$0cc8a9c0$2659fd40$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01CCDCD7.6E8D11C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: AczceDDPsQGPA3lrRVC13shcPitiUAAVoYgA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:38:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CCDCD7.6E8D11C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pretty nice, and from the video I couldn't tell that you were in 'panic = mode' before :) you can definitely do what you do, and people like what = you do. -Michael =20 >From: Gmail [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com]=20 > = = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-pKvfDFxQGA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_play= er >Here's the video :D =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CCDCD7.6E8D11C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

pretty = nice, and from the video I couldn't tell that you were in 'panic mode' = before :)=C2=A0 you can = definitely do what you do, and people like what you do.=C2=A0 = -Michael

 

>From: Gmail = [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com]
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-pKvfD= FxQGA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player

>Here's the video = :D

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CCDCD7.6E8D11C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 19:48:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 883A8183486; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_R3fOCLyVHinvXX+1yVi7eg)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-27_06:2012-01-27,2012-01-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201270227 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:48:34 -0800 In-reply-to: <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1327579675.72494.YahooMailClassic@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:48:39 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_R3fOCLyVHinvXX+1yVi7eg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT With great talent comes great courage. Congratulations, man! Thank you all for this edifying thread. Daniel On Jan 26, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKvfDFxQGA&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > Here's the video :D > > On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:07 AM, K D Patten wrote: > >> congratulations man ! you rock ! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kyle Dean Patten >> P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA 50131 >> >> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Kyle+Dean+Patten+ >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgm3kTi5bs >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc >> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten >> http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten >> >> --- On Wed, 1/25/12, Gmail wrote: >> >> From: Gmail >> Subject: Re: Panic Mode >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:41 PM >> >> Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the performance went awesome :) >> I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone wants to see. >> >> >>> --Boundary_(ID_R3fOCLyVHinvXX+1yVi7eg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable With = great talent comes great courage.  Congratulations, man! =  

Thank you all for this edifying thread. =  

Daniel 
On Jan 26, = 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-pKvfDFxQGA&feature=3D= youtube_gdata_player

Here's the video = :D

On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:07 AM, K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com> = wrote:

congratulations man = !    you rock = !






Kyle Dean Patten =
P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA  = 50131
        &nb= sp;   
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patt= en+

 http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs
 http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatt= en
http://www.myspace.com/kyle= deanpatten
http://www.linkedin.com= /in/kyledeanpatten

--- On Wed, = 1/25/12, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> = wrote:

From: Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com>
Subject: = Re: Panic Mode
To: "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:41 = PM

Thanks everyone for the = advice! I just got back from church and the performance went awesome = :)
I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a = good time. I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel = if anyone wants to see.


=

= --Boundary_(ID_R3fOCLyVHinvXX+1yVi7eg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 21:02:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B066918348A; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jdr52QCBF+uhwVutKCbBGxXTFPN3UrSNW3bCYD3tEBQ=; b=Af2qLFcCKLUBIFuBmY5K5PmgxRIB94Pl/e4sT3TTemZgaAdpLnYbey9D1+60QEXV4U jaUZYOF+1HlDOV4XwWXcB9znWSE18pWHIIA9VAXRW5UeEeqQoWh84rMgrmk75kON7Oo2 fw3Vlr6208j3wqcl0u5/ATVVrxGoHU87ScOxk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1327579675.72494.YahooMailClassic@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:02:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Panic Mode From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51a759e66deef04b788d10a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:02:44 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51a759e66deef04b788d10a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This was a good thread - yes! Thanks for the video for the stagefrightened performer! 2012/1/27 Daniel Thomas > With great talent comes great courage. Congratulations, man! > > Thank you all for this edifying thread. > > Daniel > On Jan 26, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKvfDFxQGA&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > Here's the video :D > > On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:07 AM, K D Patten wrote: > > congratulations man ! you rock ! > > > > > > > Kyle Dean Patten > P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA 50131 > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Kyle+Dean+Patten+ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgm3kTi5bs > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten > http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten > > --- On *Wed, 1/25/12, Gmail * wrote: > > > From: Gmail > Subject: Re: Panic Mode > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:41 PM > > Thanks everyone for the advice! I just got back from church and the > performance went awesome :) > I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a good time. I'll > be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel if anyone wants to > see. > > > > -- Petri --bcaec51a759e66deef04b788d10a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was a good thread - yes! Thanks for the video for the stagefrightened = performer!

2012/1/27 Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.= com>
With gre= at talent comes great courage. =A0Congratulations, man! =A0

<= div>Thank you all for this edifying thread. =A0

Daniel=A0
On Jan 26= , 2012, at 2:16 PM, Gmail wrote:

http://www.yout= ube.com/watch?v=3D-pKvfDFxQGA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player
Here's the video :D

On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:07 AM, K D Patten= <kdpatten@yahoo= .com> wrote:

=
congratulations man = !    you rock = !






Kyle Dean Patten =
P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA  = 50131
        &nb= sp;   
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patt= en+

 http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs
 http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatt= en
http://www.myspace.com/kyle= deanpatten
http://www.linkedin.com= /in/kyledeanpatten

--- On Wed, = 1/25/12, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> = wrote:

From: Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com>
Subject: = Re: Panic Mode
To: "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:41 = PM

Thanks everyone for the = advice! I just got back from church and the performance went awesome = :)
I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually had a = good time. I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube channel = if anyone wants to see.


=

<= /div>


--
Petri


--bcaec51a759e66deef04b788d10a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 21:07:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 966D8183489; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EmIFxo/s4/GKi8It4H87J7Jgsd7VSn6BqH1mJVQW3vE=; b=jnS/BBX9GJNcYGVRglPEXKM8QjbA/7xSYFlC9aK6yilCjWLUvoLTleo6mqIO90Srrn 3epbNKZsTi17/oBHfj9KZyKL6CJyByMTwWhflRme6bByj0s1qOuBGSWI5Ldl4K26/3pp Bf89LWrdhpfuah+VPkyBNEINIIKQVKnYpnk3o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1327579675.72494.YahooMailClassic@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:07:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Panic Mode From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041826a295061504b788e39b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:07:49 +0000 (UTC) --f46d041826a295061504b788e39b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I really like the idea of re-framing stage fright as stage energy. That works wonders for me. As with so many things, the transitional stages are always the most fraught. But if you keep the perspective that those spaces are in the midst of changing and will be different once you get on stage (or wherever) I think its a lot easier to weather them successfully. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --f46d041826a295061504b788e39b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really like the idea of re-framing stage fright as stage energy.=A0 That = works wonders for me.=A0

As with so many things, the transitional s= tages are always the most fraught.=A0 But if you keep the perspective that = those spaces are in the midst of changing and will be different once you ge= t on stage (or wherever) I think its a lot easier to weather them successfu= lly.

Kevin
--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the bo= dy and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root ca= use of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and V= ision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org=
Video http://www.vimeo.c= om/user877640/videos
--f46d041826a295061504b788e39b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 21:39:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D161D183489; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ecf4Da8gSRD/77qVcnFIpA)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-27_07:2012-01-27,2012-01-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201270264 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:39:18 -0800 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1327579675.72494.YahooMailClassic@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <76fAY.A.qLD.SmxIPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:39:30 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_Ecf4Da8gSRD/77qVcnFIpA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > re-framing stage fright as stage energy. I had a drama coach who told me once, when I was quaking with the jitters, that those butterflies in my stomach were proof that some kind of talent was inside me trying to get out. :) Really enjoyed the video--book your next gig! D > I really like the idea of re-framing stage fright as stage energy. That works wonders for me. > > As with so many things, the transitional stages are always the most fraught. But if you keep the perspective that those spaces are in the midst of changing and will be different once you get on stage (or wherever) I think its a lot easier to weather them successfully. > > Kevin > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --Boundary_(ID_Ecf4Da8gSRD/77qVcnFIpA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
re-framing stage fright as stage energy. 

I had a drama coach who told me once, when I was quaking with the jitters, that those butterflies in my stomach were proof that some kind of talent was inside me trying to get out.

:)

Really enjoyed the video--book your next gig!

D

I really like the idea of re-framing stage fright as stage energy.  That works wonders for me. 

As with so many things, the transitional stages are always the most fraught.  But if you keep the perspective that those spaces are in the midst of changing and will be different once you get on stage (or wherever) I think its a lot easier to weather them successfully.

Kevin
--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos

--Boundary_(ID_Ecf4Da8gSRD/77qVcnFIpA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 22:14:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DC4818348C; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <1327579675.72494.YahooMailClassic@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6223162A-19D3-4442-B93C-0291C8F3F266@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Panic Mode Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:14:38 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CCDD41.0F01CA10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:14:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CCDD41.0F01CA10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01CCDD41.0F01CA10" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CCDD41.0F01CA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Me, I sweat copiously in a humid setting... and when I=E2=80=99m taking = down/setting up. Even in the studio here! I always need for the stuff = to work just right, and it gives me the willies during setup for obvious = reasons. I had to start wearing a bandanna in LA when doing setup, so I = wouldn=E2=80=99t drip all over my equipment... Somehow I don=E2=80=99t = think that=E2=80=99s going away anytime soon, especially since I = haven=E2=80=99t played live in a while. And then I saw Lee = Evans=E2=80=99 standup routine, and his sweating puts me to absolute = shame. Watch HIM: and this guy=E2=80=99s really successful, too! = http://youtu.be/_QiTXF0uMcI From: Daniel Thomas=20 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Panic Mode re-framing stage fright as stage energy.=20 I had a drama coach who told me once, when I was quaking with the = jitters, that those butterflies in my stomach were proof that some kind = of talent was inside me trying to get out.=20 :) Really enjoyed the video--book your next gig! D I really like the idea of re-framing stage fright as stage energy. = That works wonders for me. =20 As with so many things, the transitional stages are always the most = fraught. But if you keep the perspective that those spaces are in the = midst of changing and will be different once you get on stage (or = wherever) I think its a lot easier to weather them successfully. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - =20 =20 This email, together with any attachments, is for the exclusive = and confidential use of the addressee(s). Any other distribution, use or = reproduction without the sender's prior consent is unauthorised and = strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please = notify the sender by email immediately and delete the message from your = computer without making any copies. Please note that neither VivaBlock = nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your = responsibility to scan the email and attachments (if any).=20 All Email Has been Virus Checked. Mailservers are protected by = VivaBlock=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CCDD41.0F01CA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Me, I sweat copiously in a humid setting... and when I=E2=80=99m = taking=20 down/setting up.  Even in the studio here!  I always need for = the=20 stuff to work just right, and it gives me the willies during setup for = obvious=20 reasons.  I had to start wearing a bandanna in LA when doing setup, = so I=20 wouldn=E2=80=99t drip all over my equipment... Somehow I don=E2=80=99t = think that=E2=80=99s going away=20 anytime soon, especially since I haven=E2=80=99t played live in a = while.  And then=20 I saw Lee Evans=E2=80=99 standup routine, and his sweating puts me to = absolute=20 shame.  Watch HIM: and this guy=E2=80=99s really successful, too! =   http://youtu.be/_QiTXF0uMcI
 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:39 PM
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re-framing stage fright as stage energy. =
 
I had a drama coach who told me once, when I was = quaking with=20 the jitters, that those butterflies in my stomach were proof that some = kind of=20 talent was inside me trying to get out.=20
 
:)
 
Really enjoyed the video--book your next gig!
 
D

I really like the idea of re-framing stage = fright as=20 stage energy.  That works wonders for me. 

As with = so many=20 things, the transitional stages are always the most fraught.  But = if you=20 keep the perspective that those spaces are in the midst of changing = and will=20 be different once you get on stage (or wherever) I think its a lot = easier to=20 weather them successfully.

Kevin
--
Till now you = seriously=20 considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the = primal=20 ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana = Maharshi=20 (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user= 877640/videos=20
 
congratulations man !=A0=A0=A0 you rock !






Kyle Dean Patten =
P.O. Box 22 Jo= hnston, IA=A0 50131
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 <= br>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patten+
=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs=
=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93= s0q3uc
ht= tp://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten
htt= p://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten
<= br>--- On Wed, 1/25/12, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Panic Mode
To: = "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:41 PM

Thanks ev= eryone for the advice! I just got back from church and the performance went= awesome :)
I managed to stay pretty calm on stage and actually h= ad a good time. I'll be posting a video soon on my gumdrops27 youtube c= hannel if anyone wants to see.


 =20
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anyone who has the boss re-20 space echo (twin pedal reissue):
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does it do delays at close to or near 100% feedback???? ca= n you control the feedback on it?
i looked at the manual online, = but the instructions aren't clear, and the name of controls is misleadi= ng (to me).
i know it does 6 sec of "tape style" delay...just wondering = if it will loop at close to 100% feedback.
any help would be grea= t....
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--0016e6d55a38c064a604b78d1653-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 06:38:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51B96183489; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 06:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2397E8.7030602@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:38:32 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Goodman CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Panic Mode References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 06:38:43 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Me, I sweat copiously in a humid setting... and when I’m taking > down/setting up. For what it's worth, so do I. People see me and frequently think something is wrong or that I"m horrifically stressed out of my mind, which I'm not frequently. I hate having to explain it to people who are 'concerned' all the time but it goes with the territory. I went out and bought a bunch of black hand towels which I take with me in my equipment bags. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 10:07:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49D6C183489; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2a046f58-d9db-4545-8397-df5fac2d0892_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: aCTION cOMPOSITION (improvisation over a chromatic theme, a Drip painting procedure) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:07:35 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2012 10:07:36.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8BFAA10:01CCDDA4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:07:37 +0000 (UTC) --_2a046f58-d9db-4545-8397-df5fac2d0892_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One take as usual.. first a recorded a short theme in one of the loops of t= he octatrack and then i started improvising.. again just guitar (Soloway S1= 5/Swan 27" scale in normal tuning)=2C V-stack tweedy and the octatrack.Quit= e a few track are set to constantly record and loop so the "base lines" are= sampled "live" guitar that is replayed with sequencer steps in diffrent pi= tches=2C it also has LP-filter=2C half speed=2C tweaked AMP parameter.. lik= e a lot of the other tracks. Some tracks are also set so that i can slow do= wn replay without affecting pitch.. http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/fast-composition The theme is A=2C C=2C A#=2C C#=2C B.. and i have no idea how to harmonize = that.. so I improvise.. I keep that loop through the whole piece but mani= pulate (LoFi distortion) it and re sequence it towards the end... Like?No Like? ANders = --_2a046f58-d9db-4545-8397-df5fac2d0892_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One take as usual.. first a recorded a short theme in one of the loops= of the octatrack and then i started improvising.. again just guitar (Solow= ay S15/Swan 27" scale in normal tuning)=2C V-stack tweedy and the octatrack= .
Quite a few track are set to constantly record and loop so the = "base lines" are sampled "live" guitar that is replayed with sequencer step= s in diffrent pitches=2C it also has LP-filter=2C half speed=2C tweaked AMP= parameter.. like a lot of the other tracks. Some tracks are also set so th= at i can slow down replay without affecting pitch..

http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/fast-composition

The theme is A=2C C=2C A#=2C C#=2C B.. and i have no idea how to har= monize that..  =3Bso I improvise..  =3BI keep that loop through the= whole piece but manipulate (LoFi distortion) it and re sequence it towards= the end...

Like?
No Like?
ANders
= --_2a046f58-d9db-4545-8397-df5fac2d0892_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 11:17:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55F81183490; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=itiHiMBaCSnlNFc3f+ATaHiXgFuKv4Wqk4YMJPKoLaA=; b=OxRKDRK1+A6lcFOpumyJ5PtZkrq+A5k6stjTyEt0MHc8vxLifJyxVsXytDae/Kx+0G keQOWK687NIM7gYI+lSxhUCjK2LeDHKWZOCWlwya5Jmr4B8rGpa21/Y3CAmuHDfgiMO7 I9YZeTEjSrQzDBgSoMofH9RUsCZRGtO6SZ4DU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:17:13 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uuxC8kP3XNQGWmp9UgSU3e_9rtI Message-ID: Subject: 31s Jan Gig suggestion..Oslo PLUS Live Video show on Opera house To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93a133781742704b794c27b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:17:34 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93a133781742704b794c27b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know this is nowhere near any of you (Apart from Anders) but I thought I'd post anyway, kind of to make you jealous as to why Oslo is such a cool city.. But weirdly I can't make it.. Im actually doing something even MORE cool.. Im setting up a live visual projection mapping performance, with one of the member of Anti VJ. http://www.antivj.com/ We will be projecting live visuals onto the amazing Opera House building at midnight. (Remember when you visited Oslo Rick? You, Chris and Tellef walked all over it (and I was pushing the kid in a pushchair (he does noise music now ha ha)) So if anyone is bizarrly in the location of Oslo Opera House at midnight 21st, then OK.. If not then you should be here... 1. TOUCH: Arve Henriksen, Helge Sten, Terje Isungset, Therese Skauge - I think this might be interesting for many synth enthusiasts. Weekend Sten's known for working extensively with analog synthesizers in many different contexts, both as a solo artist (Deathprod) and together with Motor Psycho, Super Silent, etc. Trouble viewing this email? Read the invitation here: http://www.notam02. no/notam- Media / Newsletter / NT_jan.html Welcome to the concert! The first concert in the series "NOTAM Tuesdays" is a multimedia tour de force with both sound-related and visual impression. Star team consists of Arve Henriksen (trumpet), Helge Sten (electronics) , Terje Isungset (percussion) and Therese Skauge (dance). 31. January at the National Stage (Schou Quarter) Entry NOK 150, - / 100, - Doors open at 19:00 The concert starts at 20.00 Buy tickets here Arve Henriksen has distinguished itself as an innovative artist in a wide range of music genres. Tonight show, he also presented his compositional side - among other things, is the premiere of a new work commissioned by NOTAM. Helge Sten has been linked to a number of different bands projects, including other Motorpsycho and Supersilent, and as an artist makes music in intersection between noise, jazz, contemporary, electronic music and rock. Terje Isungset is one of Europe's leading and most innovative percussionists. These three musicians will be challenged by the dancer Therese Skauge their movements so that she has challenged the audience his career in the Carte Blanche. Along with Anastasia Isachsen exciting visual art and Asle Karstadt good sound processing we look forward to an exciting touch. The music presented is supported by the Norwegian Composers Fund The concert is supported by Fund for Performing Artists The concert series NOTAM Tuesdays is supported by the Norwegian Council Website of the concert NOTAM Lower gate 5, N-0551 Oslo tel: 22 35 80 60 www.notam02. no NOTAM - Norwegian Centre for Technology in Music and Art -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --14dae93a133781742704b794c27b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this is nowhere near any of you (Apart from Anders) but I thought I&= #39;d post anyway, kind of to make you jealous as to why Oslo is such a coo= l city..

But weirdly I can't make it.. Im actually doing someth= ing even MORE cool.. Im setting up a live visual projection mapping perform= ance, with one of the member of Anti VJ. http://www.antivj.com/ We will be projecting live visuals onto the ama= zing Opera House building at midnight. (Remember when you visited Oslo Rick= ? You, Chris and Tellef walked all over it (and I was pushing the kid in a = pushchair (he does noise music now ha ha))
So if anyone is bizarrly in the location of Oslo Opera House at midnight 21= st, then OK.. If not then you should be here...

1.

TOUCH: Arve Henriksen, Helge Sten= , Terje Isungset, Therese Skauge -


I t= hink this might be interesting for many synth enthusiasts. Weekend
Ste= n's known for working extensively with analog synthesizers in many
different contexts, both as a solo artist (Deathprod) and together
wi= th Motor Psycho, Super Silent, etc.

Trouble viewing this email? Read the invitation here:
http://www.notam02. no/notam= - Media / Newsletter / NT_jan.html
Welcome to the concert!

The first concert in the series "NOT= AM Tuesdays" is a multimedia
tour de force with both sound-relate= d and visual impression. Star team
consists of Arve Henriksen (trumpet= ), Helge Sten (electronics) , Terje
Isungset (percussion) and Therese Skauge (dance).
31. January at the = National Stage (Schou Quarter)
Entry NOK 150, - / 100, -
Doors op= en at 19:00
The concert starts at 20.00
Buy tickets here

Arve Henriksen has distinguished itself as an innovative artist in a <= br> wide range of music genres. Tonight show, he also presented his
co= mpositional side - among other things, is the premiere of a new work
commissioned by NOTAM.

Helge Sten has been linked to a number of = different bands projects, including
other Motorpsycho and Supersilent,= and as an artist makes music in
intersection between noise, jazz, con= temporary,
electronic music and rock.

Terje Isungset is one of Europe's = leading and most innovative
percussionists. These three musicians will= be challenged by the dancer
Therese Skauge their movements so that sh= e has challenged the audience
his career in the Carte Blanche.

Along with Anastasia Isachsen ex= citing visual art and Asle
Karstadt good sound processing we look forw= ard to an exciting touch.

The music presented is supported by the = Norwegian Composers Fund
The concert is supported by Fund for Performing Artists
The concert s= eries NOTAM Tuesdays is supported by the Norwegian Council

Website= of the concert

NOTAM
Lower gate 5, N-0551 Oslo
tel: 22 = 35 80 60
www.notam02. no

NOTAM - Norwegian Centre for Technology in Music= and Art


--
<= font style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" size=3D"4">Mark Franc= ombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--14dae93a133781742704b794c27b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 11:34:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7854418348D; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d2def252-4119-4f8d-894a-cd33dc3fa5f8_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: 31s Jan Gig suggestion..Oslo PLUS Live Video show on Opera house Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:34:42 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2012 11:34:42.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3F91200:01CCDDB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:34:48 +0000 (UTC) --_d2def252-4119-4f8d-894a-cd33dc3fa5f8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Oslo is one hour flight or 7 -8 hours by car from me.. Compered to Sto= ckholm Oslo seems to be a much better "music City" with all off the great N= orwegian jazz Guys around.. like Arve=2C Molvaer=2C Aarset=2C Bang.. even t= he best of Sweden like Tonbruket and such plaey more around Europe than i S= tockholm.. BUT next weekend Marc Ducret will do two solo nights in Stockhol= m.. Per is as close as I am.. ON the other hand=2C eating out is obscenely = expensive in Norway.. as is living in general..not that it's cheap in Swede= n.. (i felt the need to defend my hometown... ) Yeah Oslo is COOL.. i once tried to visit all Irish pubs in central Oslo th= at did not end well..=20 From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Sat=2C 28 Jan 2012 12:17:13 +0100 Subject: 31s Jan Gig suggestion..Oslo PLUS Live Video show on Opera house To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I know this is nowhere near any of you (Apart from Anders) but I thought I'= d post anyway=2C kind of to make you jealous as to why Oslo is such a cool = city..=20 But weirdly I can't make it.. Im actually doing something even MORE cool.. = Im setting up a live visual projection mapping performance=2C with one of t= he member of Anti VJ. http://www.antivj.com/ We will be projecting live vis= uals onto the amazing Opera House building at midnight. (Remember when you = visited Oslo Rick? You=2C Chris and Tellef walked all over it (and I was pu= shing the kid in a pushchair (he does noise music now ha ha))=20 So if anyone is bizarrly in the location of Oslo Opera House at midnight 21= st=2C then OK.. If not then you should be here... 1.=20 TOUCH: Arve Henriksen=2C Helge Sten=2C Terje Isungset=2C Therese Skauge -= =20 I think this might be interesting for many synth enthusiasts. Weekend=20 Sten's known for working extensively with analog synthesizers in many=20 different contexts=2C both as a solo artist (Deathprod) and together=20 with Motor Psycho=2C Super Silent=2C etc.=20 Trouble viewing this email?=20 Read the invitation here:=20 http://www.notam02. no/notam- Media / Newsletter / NT_jan.html=20 Welcome to the concert!=20 The first concert in the series "NOTAM Tuesdays" is a multimedia=20 tour de force with both sound-related and visual impression. Star team=20 consists of Arve Henriksen (trumpet)=2C Helge Sten (electronics) =2C Terj= e=20 Isungset (percussion) and Therese Skauge (dance).=20 31. January at the National Stage (Schou Quarter)=20 Entry NOK 150=2C - / 100=2C -=20 Doors open at 19:00=20 The concert starts at 20.00=20 Buy tickets here=20 Arve Henriksen has distinguished itself as an innovative artist in a=20 wide range of music genres. Tonight show=2C he also presented his=20 compositional side - among other things=2C is the premiere of a new work=20 commissioned by NOTAM.=20 Helge Sten has been linked to a number of different bands projects=2C incl= uding=20 other Motorpsycho and Supersilent=2C and as an artist makes music in=20 intersection between noise=2C jazz=2C contemporary=2C=20 electronic music and rock.=20 Terje Isungset is one of Europe's leading and most innovative=20 percussionists. These three musicians will be challenged by the dancer=20 Therese Skauge their movements so that she has challenged the audience=20 his career in the Carte Blanche.=20 Along with Anastasia Isachsen exciting visual art and Asle=20 Karstadt good sound processing we look forward to an exciting touch.=20 The music presented is supported by the Norwegian Composers Fund=20 The concert is supported by Fund for Performing Artists=20 The concert series NOTAM Tuesdays is supported by the Norwegian Council=20 Website of the concert=20 NOTAM=20 Lower gate 5=2C N-0551 Oslo=20 tel: 22 35 80 60=20 www.notam02. no=20 NOTAM - Norwegian Centre for Technology in Music and Art=20 --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_d2def252-4119-4f8d-894a-cd33dc3fa5f8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well Oslo is one hour flight or 7 -8 hours by car from me.. Compered to Sto= ckholm Oslo seems to be a much better "music City" with all off the great N= orwegian jazz Guys around.. like Arve=2C Molvaer=2C Aarset=2C Bang.. even t= he best of Sweden like Tonbruket and such plaey more around Europe than i S= tockholm.. BUT next weekend Marc Ducret will do two solo nights in Stockhol= m.. =3B
Per is as close as I am.. =3B
ON the other ha= nd=2C eating out is obscenely =3Bexpensive =3Bin Norway.. as is liv= ing in general..not that it's cheap in Sweden.. (i felt the need to defend = my hometown... )

Yeah Oslo is COOL.. i once tried = to visit all Irish pubs in central Oslo that did not end well.. =3B


From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Sat=2C 28 Jan 2012 = 12:17:13 +0100
Subject: 31s Jan Gig suggestion..Oslo PLUS Live Video sho= w on Opera house
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I know t= his is nowhere near any of you (Apart from Anders) but I thought I'd post a= nyway=2C kind of to make you jealous as to why Oslo is such a cool city.. <= br>
But weirdly I can't make it.. Im actually doing something even MORE = cool.. Im setting up a live visual projection mapping performance=2C with o= ne of the member of Anti VJ. http://www.antivj.com/ We will be projecting live visuals onto t= he amazing Opera House building at midnight. (Remember when you visited Osl= o Rick? You=2C Chris and Tellef walked all over it (and I was pushing the k= id in a pushchair (he does noise music now ha ha))
So if anyone is bizarrly in the location of Oslo Opera House at midnight 21= st=2C then OK.. If not then you should be here...

1.

TOUCH: Arve Henriksen=2C Helge Sten=2C Terje = Isungset=2C Therese Skauge -


= I think this might be interesting for many synth enthusiasts. Weekend
= Sten's known for working extensively with analog synthesizers in many
different contexts=2C both as a solo artist (Deathprod) and together
= with Motor Psycho=2C Super Silent=2C etc.

Trouble viewing this ema= il?
Read the invitation here:
http://www.notam02. no= /notam- Media / Newsletter / NT_jan.html
Welcome to the concert!

The first concert in the series "NOTAM Tu= esdays" is a multimedia
tour de force with both sound-related and visu= al impression. Star team
consists of Arve Henriksen (trumpet)=2C Helge= Sten (electronics) =2C Terje
Isungset (percussion) and Therese Skauge (dance).
31. January at the = National Stage (Schou Quarter)
Entry NOK 150=2C - / 100=2C -
Door= s open at 19:00
The concert starts at 20.00
Buy tickets here

Arve Henriksen has distinguished itself as an innovative artist in a <= br> wide range of music genres. Tonight show=2C he also presented his
= compositional side - among other things=2C is the premiere of a new work commissioned by NOTAM.

Helge Sten has been linked to a number of = different bands projects=2C including
other Motorpsycho and Supersilen= t=2C and as an artist makes music in
intersection between noise=2C jaz= z=2C contemporary=2C
electronic music and rock.

Terje Isungset is one of Europe's lead= ing and most innovative
percussionists. These three musicians will be = challenged by the dancer
Therese Skauge their movements so that she ha= s challenged the audience
his career in the Carte Blanche.

Along with Anastasia Isachsen ex= citing visual art and Asle
Karstadt good sound processing we look forw= ard to an exciting touch.

The music presented is supported by the = Norwegian Composers Fund
The concert is supported by Fund for Performing Artists
The concert s= eries NOTAM Tuesdays is supported by the Norwegian Council

Website= of the concert

NOTAM
Lower gate 5=2C N-0551 Oslo
tel: 2= 2 35 80 60
www.notam02. no

NOTAM - Norwegian Centre for Technology in Music= and Art


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
= --_d2def252-4119-4f8d-894a-cd33dc3fa5f8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 11:41:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E21EE18348C; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oyH7LmeSen20fLCenB7VufznETREpGCFqpI7k5xjTNw=; b=mp0AfCvl2gYEIv4ptBMSeh+tl34LJ7Kum5hl3EejBHT0vmd0Oz9tnGXp0QrVbrk47s sIPXgAVXIX5s3s4d/HnBcaE2YzQPSZkNNqeGl1jWzxVO/Gh+wkw1uTTzG0vDVbaUl5nC ohfZL0lY4qCS4kiqnoZZ583IZAcyreuXAwB78= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:41:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 31s Jan Gig suggestion..Oslo PLUS Live Video show on Opera house From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7s4AQC.A.zSC.j79IPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Wow, what exciting pictures at the AntiVJ site! Wish I could in Oslo and enjoy your installation on that night. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I know this is nowhere near any of you (Apart from Anders) but I thought I'd > post anyway, kind of to make you jealous as to why Oslo is such a cool > city.. > > But weirdly I can't make it.. Im actually doing something even MORE cool.. > Im setting up a live visual projection mapping performance, with one of the > member of Anti VJ. http://www.antivj.com/ We will be projecting live visuals > onto the amazing Opera House building at midnight. (Remember when you > visited Oslo Rick? You, Chris and Tellef walked all over it (and I was > pushing the kid in a pushchair (he does noise music now ha ha)) > So if anyone is bizarrly in the location of Oslo Opera House at midnight > 21st, then OK.. If not then you should be here... > > 1. > > TOUCH: Arve Henriksen, Helge Sten, Terje Isungset, Therese Skauge - > > > I think this might be interesting for many synth enthusiasts. Weekend > Sten's known for working extensively with analog synthesizers in many > different contexts, both as a solo artist (Deathprod) and together > with Motor Psycho, Super Silent, etc. > > Trouble viewing this email? > Read the invitation here: > http://www.notam02. no/notam- Media / Newsletter / NT_jan.html > Welcome to the concert! > > The first concert in the series "NOTAM Tuesdays" is a multimedia > tour de force with both sound-related and visual impression. Star team > consists of Arve Henriksen (trumpet), Helge Sten (electronics) , Terje > Isungset (percussion) and Therese Skauge (dance). > 31. January at the National Stage (Schou Quarter) > Entry NOK 150, - / 100, - > Doors open at 19:00 > The concert starts at 20.00 > Buy tickets here > > Arve Henriksen has distinguished itself as an innovative artist in a > wide range of music genres. Tonight show, he also presented his > compositional side - among other things, is the premiere of a new work > commissioned by NOTAM. > > Helge Sten has been linked to a number of different bands projects, > including > other Motorpsycho and Supersilent, and as an artist makes music in > intersection between noise, jazz, contemporary, > electronic music and rock. > > Terje Isungset is one of Europe's leading and most innovative > percussionists. These three musicians will be challenged by the dancer > Therese Skauge their movements so that she has challenged the audience > his career in the Carte Blanche. > > Along with Anastasia Isachsen exciting visual art and Asle > Karstadt good sound processing we look forward to an exciting touch. > > The music presented is supported by the Norwegian Composers Fund > The concert is supported by Fund for Performing Artists > The concert series NOTAM Tuesdays is supported by the Norwegian Council > > Website of the concert > > NOTAM > Lower gate 5, N-0551 Oslo > tel: 22 35 80 60 > www.notam02. no > > NOTAM - Norwegian Centre for Technology in Music and Art > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 11:52:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB62318348D; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SfRr7ScstxRBNi9yTQ+YFBzszjPFPBCM/bRbRNbAK0I=; b=SOVPzMoTmPMSsTcDa4BdJUSXeaais13YQH+1zbhsVA5i4ZCtCFPMMjSw12x9ipLFBk w1VqD5pdgFh9l623s460qS904k7FXllAro2u9jHNRfjeQ3ORhYbyB2vSNbYII/1TvAe0 8yRnX+iCH9W5zghhnrDx3LEj4Q7AGfUsXqYsI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:52:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: aCTION cOMPOSITION (improvisation over a chromatic theme, a Drip painting procedure) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-7t7v.A.LdC.FG-IPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Gush I love that guitar tone you have there!!! And I like the way this piece turned out. Scales like that is also a favorite of mine. The ultimate "science fiction music scale", causing evil clusters and proudly refusing to go anywhere outside its won perfection. BTW, have you noticed that the timbre of that guitar/amp is very close to a tenor sax? Except for string attack envelop that is, of course. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > One take as usual.. first a recorded a short theme in one of the loops of > the octatrack and then i started improvising.. again just guitar (Soloway > S15/Swan 27" scale in normal tuning), V-stack tweedy and the octatrack. > Quite a few track are set to constantly record and loop so the "base line= s" > are sampled "live" guitar that is replayed with sequencer steps in diffre= nt > pitches, it also has LP-filter, half speed, tweaked AMP parameter.. like = a > lot of the other tracks. Some tracks are also set so that i can slow down > replay without affecting pitch.. > > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/fast-composition > > The theme is A, C, A#, C#, B.. and i have no idea how to harmonize that.. > =C2=A0so I improvise.. =C2=A0I keep that loop through the whole piece but= manipulate > (LoFi distortion) it and re sequence it towards the end... > > Like? > No Like? > > ANders From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 18:13:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19885183486; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=81h8XhyHFRgFy5zNldStifcy4MRxSjHklmqlyQzqzqk=; b=gpVzZUs0Of0X5TdFXlgCHfYGs02NIDewq0K5Zr25UnrB7F5xtoFjZJEXIiszqTMsCp f0BgWLWgai7brsJkF2RXjDhXg6u/yR5+ql8RypwZgRGnxWLDUUSsNfX8jhqJyRncPywh Vswd8ZWBLGvZFXgkcJuUSpc9KBsga1sx/3PsY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:13:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Cult of Jazz III From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93412352eaeb304b79a93d8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:13:49 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93412352eaeb304b79a93d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know this is OT, but you looping fellas that use / play guitar on your setups, if you could shares your views or stories with these picks, it would be nice. Did not search the archives, though. If someone remebers this issue has been covered, I go there :-) After 25 years of guitar playing, the last 6 years on electric guitar, I decided to try these picks two days ago. Jazz III XL's to be exact. I think I have finally found a pick to fit my style of playing perfectly. Comments, stories welcome! -- Petri --14dae93412352eaeb304b79a93d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this is OT, but you looping fellas that use / play guitar on your se= tups,
if you could shares your views or stories with these picks, it wou= ld be nice.
Did not search the archives, though. If someone remebers thi= s issue has been covered, I go there :-)

After 25 years of guitar playing, the last 6 years on electric guitar,<= br>I decided to try these picks two days ago. Jazz III XL's to be exact= .
I think I have finally found a pick to fit my style of playing perfect= ly.

Comments, stories welcome!
--
Petri


--14dae93412352eaeb304b79a93d8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 18:17:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6F42183477; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=No+0mZAOQm3g2GvSkjlMEOnDuXhnr/lrr+hiXl7k5c4=; b=k3KuyJBrNQ70Ne8gqlSrbT2G/3LKPdgVMC5sfAT+4E+tJoNT0xqHFTvWLCIqCbzNfF cJTU2bpK3VvR0K4jjzhDzAwtRxxYKnbSKtpb/sVYW6QJUsn10PicAq7tefX4IhrbCYWs N8yzeg+u6djCNoQXwjCliqbEpvF7wPhorO2qM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:17:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: aCTION cOMPOSITION (improvisation over a chromatic theme, a Drip painting procedure) From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340a1b13861804b79aa0b6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:17:25 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340a1b13861804b79aa0b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Me too am a big fan of Anders tone. Would be nice to hear him play something more "live". 2012/1/28 Per Boysen > Gush I love that guitar tone you have there!!! And I like the way this > piece turned out. Scales like that is also a favorite of mine. The > ultimate "science fiction music scale", causing evil clusters and > proudly refusing to go anywhere outside its won perfection. > > BTW, have you noticed that the timbre of that guitar/amp is very close > to a tenor sax? Except for string attack envelop that is, of course. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Anders Bergdahl > wrote: > > One take as usual.. first a recorded a short theme in one of the loops of > > the octatrack and then i started improvising.. again just guitar (Soloway > > S15/Swan 27" scale in normal tuning), V-stack tweedy and the octatrack. > > Quite a few track are set to constantly record and loop so the "base > lines" > > are sampled "live" guitar that is replayed with sequencer steps in > diffrent > > pitches, it also has LP-filter, half speed, tweaked AMP parameter.. like > a > > lot of the other tracks. Some tracks are also set so that i can slow down > > replay without affecting pitch.. > > > > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/fast-composition > > > > The theme is A, C, A#, C#, B.. and i have no idea how to harmonize that.. > > so I improvise.. I keep that loop through the whole piece but > manipulate > > (LoFi distortion) it and re sequence it towards the end... > > > > Like? > > No Like? > > > > ANders > > -- Petri --14dae9340a1b13861804b79aa0b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Me too am a big fan of Anders tone.
Would be nice to hear him play somet= hing more "live".

2012/1/28 Per= Boysen <perboy= sen@gmail.com>
Gush I love that guitar tone you have there!= !! And I like the way this
piece turned out. Scales like that is also a favorite of mine. The
ultimate "science fiction music scale", causing evil clusters and=
proudly refusing to go anywhere outside its won perfection.

BTW, have you noticed that the timbre of that guitar/amp is very close
to a tenor sax? Except for string attack envelop that is, of course.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Anders Bergdahl
<anders_e_bergdahl@hotm= ail.com> wrote:
> One take as usual.. first a recorded a short theme in one of the loops= of
> the octatrack and then i started improvising.. again just guitar (Solo= way
> S15/Swan 27" scale in normal tuning), V-stack tweedy and the octa= track.
> Quite a few track are set to constantly record and loop so the "b= ase lines"
> are sampled "live" guitar that is replayed with sequencer st= eps in diffrent
> pitches, it also has LP-filter, half speed, tweaked AMP parameter.. li= ke a
> lot of the other tracks. Some tracks are also set so that i can slow d= own
> replay without affecting pitch..
>
> http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/fast-composition >
> The theme is A, C, A#, C#, B.. and i have no idea how to harmonize tha= t..
> =A0so I improvise.. =A0I keep that loop through the whole piece but ma= nipulate
> (LoFi distortion) it and re sequence it towards the end...
>
> Like?
> No Like?
>
> ANders




--
Petri
<= br>
--14dae9340a1b13861804b79aa0b6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 18:18:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 639CB18348E; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAEY7JE8yaFeX/2dsb2JhbABCrliCdwEBAQQ4Ak8LRlfARIg8AQgFBwMNEAEIAQYEAwMEBRgBAQECAQKCcBoCDgIGcQsFAQVBgjljBIg/kjGNGg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,584,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="218302485" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.87.151] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.87.151 Message-Id: <8723DFEB-52B8-4E59-B181-6CD229859AED@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Cult of Jazz III Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:25:34 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Yep. It's what I use, although I use the Eric Johnson signature ones (different texture). I used to use the regular jazz III red picks. The black ones are way too slick. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 18:54:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BD1018348C; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:54:14 UTC From: "BC" To: References: <7DCFFB65-D1DF-43CD-8E7C-34185DA3B746@gmail.com><7C026163-DF61-4E80-AEA1-CDE393D0467F@mac.com> <2410425160402507726@unknownmsgid> <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEA9BD77F16FCF-C20-354C8@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> Subject: RE: Panic Mode Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:46:00 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01ccdded$15465420$3fd2fc60$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CCDDC3.2C85A8E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHjoccCGMS4IzmMswrEcx5yj2G0pQJfnLxXAUDCY1EBmZK7OgKCSvceAmOYOQ+Vo5QbUA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120123-1, 01/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:54:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CCDDC3.2C85A8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL, LOVE the tin foil hat comment. For me, I have learned that if I resolve to play for **myself** and no one else at a gig, I am golden. Calm, relaxed and inspired. Mistakes do not upset me. Being extremely friendly and "folksy" with the crowd also helps enormously, because I'm conveying that "Hey, I'm one of you". In that way I know that they want me to succeed and mistakes will even more easily go right over their heads. Not every artist can pull off "folksy" rapport-building, as some are more intense than others, but if you can pull it off, use it to your advantage. Do not acknowledge small mistakes in any way. You will often see a seasoned performer make a slight little face when they make a mistake. Train yourself away from that. Small mistakes that are not acknowledged by you are not perceptible to the audience. Even if they notice for a split-second, they are being flooded with so much new information as you keep playing, that your not acknowledging the mistake causes them to subconsciously think "That must not have been a mistake". They don't think that in words, rather it's an instantaneous perception. Mistakes don't exist for them if they don't exist for you. With large mistakes, acknowledge them, make a joke about them, and you will further demonstrate, "Hey, I'm one of you". They accept you as being on their team because you have developed rapport with them earlier. Back to settling the nerves, the trick for me is to simply shift attention completely away from the audience and onto what I am doing. I do it intuitively at this point, so it's hard to articulate exactly how I do it, but it's like switching a light switch. You are aware of the audience but 95% of your attention is on making music and playing for yourself. I think that can only be learned through experience and intent. Brian From: michael klobuchar [mailto:nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Panic Mode wear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD AND FAST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing them what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, it is a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, make friends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know that you are a looper, all things will change in your life! ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CCDDC3.2C85A8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LOL, LOVE the tin foil hat comment.

 

For me, I have learned that if I resolve to play for **myself** and = no one else at a gig, I am golden… Calm, relaxed and inspired. = Mistakes do not upset me. Being extremely friendly and = “folksy” with the crowd also helps enormously, because = I’m conveying that “Hey, I’m one of you”. In = that way I know that they want me to succeed and mistakes will even more = easily go right over their heads. Not every artist can pull off = “folksy” rapport-building, as some are more intense than = others, but if you can pull it off, use it to your = advantage.

 

Do not acknowledge small mistakes in any way. You will often see a = seasoned performer make a slight little face when they make a mistake. = Train yourself away from that. Small mistakes that are not acknowledged = by you are not perceptible to the audience. Even if they notice for a = split-second, they are being flooded with so much new  information = as you keep playing, that your not acknowledging the mistake causes them = to subconsciously think “That must not have been a mistake”. = They don’t think that in words, rather it’s an instantaneous = perception. Mistakes don’t exist for them if they don’t = exist for you.

 

With large mistakes, acknowledge them, make a joke about them, and = you will further demonstrate, “Hey, I’m one of you”. = They accept you as being on their team because you have developed = rapport with them earlier.

 

Back to settling the nerves, the trick for me is to simply shift = attention completely away from the audience and onto what I am doing. I = do it intuitively at this point, so it’s hard to articulate = exactly how I do it, but it’s like switching a light switch. You = are aware of the audience but 95% of your attention is on making music = and playing for yourself. I think that can only be learned through = experience and intent.

 

Brian

 

 

From:= = michael klobuchar [mailto:nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, = January 25, 2012 4:15 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Panic = Mode

 

w= ear a tin foil hat, this will make you invisable.....then play LOUD AND = FAST.....or you could draw the audience in by showing =

<= o:p> 

t= hem what looping is, if they are not hip to it yet.....make converts, it = is a church group, no?.....the PANIC never goes away, = make

<= o:p> 

f= riends with that energy.....have FUN!.....but remember, once they know = that you are a looper, all things will change in your = life!

 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CCDDC3.2C85A8E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 20:11:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D93918348C; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=00wL/vdW/vSBwX2SqvgAve1mV5uhMxBcjb1y1KyUrp0=; b=p3u5L/FscHD/E4sl3pyip3TRwPeRVjMK6/7G4w06AOOnAkRw5QcXt3imGtu+Mn9XXO CCv2RjhfaSjA9Nhk4GciDmMtWGdtY6QdffH5+Lw1c98tCCgatgtk1tcGbM9mHqvfYFbQ Hxg1QO45xZPBrU9itpIxvsxmeK/E7/2thc6f4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8723DFEB-52B8-4E59-B181-6CD229859AED@frontier.com> References: <8723DFEB-52B8-4E59-B181-6CD229859AED@frontier.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:11:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cult of Jazz III From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340a1b2e056d04b79c3815 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:11:32 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340a1b2e056d04b79c3815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Red ones = nylon Blacks = stiffo EJ = tortex? 2012/1/28 Jeff Shirkey > Yep. It's what I use, although I use the Eric Johnson signature ones > (different texture). I used to use the regular jazz III red picks. The > black ones are way too slick. > > Jeff > > > -- Petri --14dae9340a1b2e056d04b79c3815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Red ones =3D nylon
Blacks =3D stiffo
EJ =3D tortex?

2012/1/28 Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com>
Yep. It's what I use, although I use the Eric Johnson signature ones (d= ifferent texture). I used to use the regular jazz III red picks. The black = ones are way too slick.

Jeff





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Petri

--14dae9340a1b2e056d04b79c3815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 20:20:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B77118348D; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QnZvCHDIEr8CmH7C2LG+nQH0E2KzCYGHsT/Nu/lx8Zc=; b=EkHF3OIlhi9BIMdlVnjqWNG6xPgbyNJqW85DXH6Dv9+4eMNRQ3M1QNQ5CT3ULh4Uxq 0eHphux6crFSQFu3rvEQoHyC5zkhu09HY4J9Mm52Va19jE0lK8nazi720Houd3BZjMqP ci0wD/gxDLC7ea9Jy4ZR8KRujVbusimkuc/do= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8723DFEB-52B8-4E59-B181-6CD229859AED@frontier.com> References: <8723DFEB-52B8-4E59-B181-6CD229859AED@frontier.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:20:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cult of Jazz III From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:20:14 +0000 (UTC) For me the density is more important that size because density is what creates the sound, especially carrying out a good mid range. Very thick and hard plastic material picks work fine, I also have a bone pick that sounds great - but a little different. Finally I keep two stone picks that have a very special sound but may be too heavy for fluid playing (use them for super fat tone with thick flat wound strings). Generally I favor using a hard pick and loosen up my hand/arm when needed rather than switching to a soft pick. Not sure if my black plastic picks of choice is the "jazz" brand or the "dunlop". They are all worn down so the brand doesn't read any more. Maybe I grabbed a handful at some trade show, don't know actually. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Yep. It's what I use, although I use the Eric Johnson signature ones > (different texture). I used to use the regular jazz III red picks. The black > ones are way too slick. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 20:38:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2F6D183489; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4F245CD6.001A,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=dojHmsI+h+sZVrO8n8QFPj0BO2mVHv3NdGZT8ltFrI0= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=tY_tLJ7A2mAUoLFunfsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <8723DFEB-52B8-4E59-B181-6CD229859AED@frontier.com> Subject: RE: Cult of Jazz III Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:38:42 -0800 Message-ID: <916F06FE2FA74015A6BEED9D4C099950@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Aczd+j/eid+iR40cQv2yUsbMbgkVCwAAn5Ug Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Yellow Tortex (Dunlop)--but I'm listening 8) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 21:50:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65AD1183464; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=BPied/KkQfd+8bcZf6rDPe/bmmtnLN9IhldRMkWMWtU=; b=tL2SjMmhwLvhgLHss1rBCUWFhjx9OuzP0wyL2JHycn+CBZF8y+Ttk33KAlfEdC+kaV bg3DUOIAjwy/lPDOhcJoryDOYMbyvX30oG5TgQCurFElAUYt9RN9AB6O5lbBp+2Vt5Lm dTKz588OnIfONGX5bwkyNLKd5lCpGyVP+cK3A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <916F06FE2FA74015A6BEED9D4C099950@your0548c161e1> References: <8723DFEB-52B8-4E59-B181-6CD229859AED@frontier.com> <916F06FE2FA74015A6BEED9D4C099950@your0548c161e1> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:50:26 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: DzIl5wNkHCe5yQwjnNcsY4b1_0E Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cult of Jazz III To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93a13370fe2f604b79d9bbd Resent-Message-ID: <8P20QD.A.mBB.42GJPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:50:48 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93a13370fe2f604b79d9bbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dunlop .78 Always has been always will be! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --14dae93a13370fe2f604b79d9bbd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dunlop .78

Always has been always will be!

-- <= br>Mark Francombe
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--14dae93a13370fe2f604b79d9bbd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 05:36:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 165FD183478; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F24DACD.8090109@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:36:13 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anders Bergdahl CC: MARK FRANCOMBE , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: RE: 31s Jan Gig suggestion..Oslo PLUS Live Video show on Opera house References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050205090700010509060609" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:36:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050205090700010509060609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > But weirdly I can't make it.. Im actually doing something even MORE > cool.. Im setting up a live visual projection mapping performance, > with one of the member of Anti VJ. http://www.antivj.com/ We will be > projecting live visuals onto the amazing Opera House building at > midnight. (Remember when you visited Oslo Rick? You, Chris and Tellef > walked all over it (and I was pushing the kid in a pushchair (he does > noise music now ha ha)) > So if anyone is bizarrly in the location of Oslo Opera House at > midnight 21st, then OK.. If not then you should be here... I really loved my visit to Oslo.......though I only spent a few days there, it's one of my favorite cities I've ever visited. I really wish I was rich. I'd so hop a plane and see that show. I'm still working on getting private funding to bring Eivind here from Oslo. Having Arild Andersen was just a complete thrill.......to actually get to play in a trio with Henry Kaiser and him........wow!!!!! Say hi to Tellef if you see him, Mark (or Anders if you end up going). yours, Rick --------------050205090700010509060609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
But weirdly I can't make it.. Im actually doing something even MORE cool.. Im setting up a live visual projection mapping performance, with one of the member of Anti VJ. http://www.antivj.com/ We will be projecting live visuals onto the amazing Opera House building at midnight. (Remember when you visited Oslo Rick? You, Chris and Tellef walked all over it (and I was pushing the kid in a pushchair (he does noise music now ha ha))
So if anyone is bizarrly in the location of Oslo Opera House at midnight 21st, then OK.. If not then you should be here...
I really loved my visit to Oslo.......though I only spent a few days there,  it's one of my favorite cities
I've ever visited.

I really wish I was rich.   I'd so hop a plane and see that show.
I'm still working on getting private funding to bring Eivind here from Oslo.
Having Arild Andersen was just a complete thrill.......to actually get to play in a trio
with Henry Kaiser and him........wow!!!!!

Say hi to Tellef if you see him, Mark (or Anders if you end up going).

yours,   Rick
 --------------050205090700010509060609-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 13:29:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 324BD183462; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F2549AD.902@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 08:29:17 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #773 for January 26, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:29:23 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120126.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #773 January 26, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8245 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Our Wizards of Earth" on Internal Combustion Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#jan PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Synergy Warriors Electronic Realiztions for Rock Orchestra (Third Contact) Mark Mosher When Connected I Hear Your Signals (none) The Redundant Rocker Hypostasis Heart (Unsung) Joint Intelligence A Flat Float The Book of Roach (BogusFocus) Committee Joint Intelligence x The Book of Roach (BogusFocus) Committee Dan Pound Making Tracks Wolf Moon (Poundsounds) Numina Cold Shine Dawn of Obscurity (Numinarecordings) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== cyberCHUMP Fantastic Dream Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Patience Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Map of Your Heart Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Storm's a Comin' Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Chatter Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Sometimes Cool Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP In the Garden of Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Miur Combustion) cyberCHUMP Roughhouse Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Our Wizards of Earth Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Combustion) cyberCHUMP Of Distance and Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Resonance Combustion) cyberCHUMP New Skin Our Wizards of Earth (Internal Combustion) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Paul Nagle. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "CyberDiver" on NeuHarmony Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#feb Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 18:56:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03ECE183486; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 847 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:56:18 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SFF/ppyVoBn1XOK0jsTMtIUlXdlV7qtA0DjoWp450O3mI8scUaDwMCubM52SvFeU; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: Paul Sullivan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Cult of Jazz III Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:42:10 -0500 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 2cf92e4390c98b9b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ae10b2536a794e98a40912a72cc11787350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 208.120.69.147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) funny OT discussion. I've tried almost every kind of pick out there, = even stuck with some different ones for a while even, but I always seem = to come back to the first pick I ever used: a Fender medium, classic = shape, tortoise shell. For me also it's definitely changing how hard I = hold it that changes the sound, that and sometimes using the more = rounded corners for an even darker tone. I even like the slippery feel, = as opposed to the more textured Dunlop surfaces that a lot of people = seem to prefer. For me it's the perfect design, and you can always find = them anywhere. Paul http://paulsullivan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:18:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA12118347A; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=N8b6iatqN4ybf4V/gtceUdBRW0/g4sN0wESMv3a74aU=; b=qfHJ0O87CtrPTkEEi70jhDIkAAwHhB4V8WZHM4QMwdXoxSWt9L1oDVU0w2itC2NDzY n9DYI56pHlCvt+QbqiNb/mYG06yL0TaThIaZ2HfQFh8ESbkChEJmrC+n7ZsLFKCmb/uX DOPwD0U9uLjrsw2BJ5qSZHCe0VCf8nixm1fSM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:18:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Once more: Anyone know details? From: Dennis Moser To: loopers-delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Asking once again because there are now two of these units up for sale: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lexicon-JamMan-w-Phil-Keaggy-MIDI-Setup-JamExpand-V= 2-0-17-MIN-53-SEC-/180696566108?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem2a125ac9= 5c#ht_6345wt_1182 =85anyone know the details on this? Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:28:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 769BA183486; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9h9nIDV4TffifEBrWR7l1MeN2lJYmsQtJZ324Awflxc=; b=nZM7ig45jBHTvVTAPZu/TDDVgIIEuyHftsYXZuZ+EL4rYJhSfHG9wgHRD5GJxlCB+3 xiDPVAG+t3RDnTl5zFp5h2E1e/0crORwp68OD44hPOZgUFWsB+xr6s5fVIYwQKOTp/w7 4J4wPL/O+LmvyEWG9hMQJzT8QNphp9IR90POE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:28:01 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Once more: Anyone know details? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:28:02 +0000 (UTC) look wicked! i had two jamdudes back in the day, expanded to 32 secs...great machines and the new software looks cool On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Dennis Moser wro= te: > Asking once again because there are now two of these units up for sale: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lexicon-JamMan-w-Phil-Keaggy-MIDI-Setup-JamExpand= -V2-0-17-MIN-53-SEC-/180696566108?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem2a125a= c95c#ht_6345wt_1182 > > =85anyone know the details on this? > > Best, > > Dennis > > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:29:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E344818347A; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yizipmYedUjqCK8m7k8zPzFBZ9HWuGGV5r80qNjv1T4=; b=aAnynsqavHA+eJ4Qzb4SoCmiUkywAE/rf9itjPVBfgS6NYt34Ee/dwXDdt5HtyyLsM o344s6JsetRMo+v6WupezeSxRb3zQ/uOBC1V1lGrNYoYIfJY4MCYQD0sIPYNppfae/jH aoPFCd880eEDg1Gyfizn+E6bKjRUj1rX+xAj0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:29:36 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Once more: Anyone know details? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:29:36 +0000 (UTC) anyway dennis...you can't afford to buy one of these and my headless as well...the wife would have a fit...so buy my headless, m'kay? On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > look wicked! > > i had two jamdudes back in the day, expanded to 32 secs...great > machines and the new software looks cool > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Dennis Moser w= rote: >> Asking once again because there are now two of these units up for sale: >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lexicon-JamMan-w-Phil-Keaggy-MIDI-Setup-JamExpan= d-V2-0-17-MIN-53-SEC-/180696566108?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem2a125= ac95c#ht_6345wt_1182 >> >> =85anyone know the details on this? >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:47:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F023183478; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bPlbeAmXD2XiMnEYWkSS97AJp/uLPuH/AadiP8Q+FO8=; b=MtJvRz+fRC04UmYNEJm76VHCKXjFcbK87RD7FvRTVV5Oxrlm2oT6U5XVRsw4ourZal u2poDcggWUrFLMrdrMjP8zsdBAeNsRXA/HyDtx6d1OYWfAScVKwEjOfDH2Jh84EdEoqx hCkhaNT8Rv5MQwCZWPmR/idIurJOEH77vCtTs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:47:51 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Sound Design vs. Presets From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428e04f6291104b7b0d7e6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:47:53 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428e04f6291104b7b0d7e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For those who use software instruments, what do you prefer, making your own sounds from scratch or using presets? I tend to make them from scratch because I have this unusual ego that tells me using presets is cheating haha. --f46d04428e04f6291104b7b0d7e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

For those who use software instruments, what do you prefer, making your own sounds from scratch or using presets? I tend to make them from scratch because I have this unusual ego that tells me using presets is cheating haha.

--f46d04428e04f6291104b7b0d7e6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:51:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31F5E183486; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qdDiX0lh58S+t3clzCwA8TalrwJzI2bAewRZnzcfgdQ=; b=ERW+/0QPAbZgGT06FdzWsMP8TbzByHnb+/TsLZIhGMSjoYvvYOKYf/3//60yel1suZ 5K24SwkK2Kyn6jtq9HlKHpH5ShsdfGgXSYgLh885WlB1t9ZZtzEWj6GiM3mb/CKg2nLm Gu+iOER6HudT24KqBNA7WC/a6UxETEvOBxpDY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:51:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Once more: Anyone know details? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Simeon. You didn't hear that hysterical laughter, did you? The Wife just said that if the bank account would allow it I should buy both! Nothing like having a devoted and supportive fan in house, eh? Anyways =97 I have a fairly clean Jamman I've been hanging on to for some time now, so it's a (very) future consideration. Now about that headless thingie =85 8-) Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > anyway dennis...you can't afford to buy one of these and my headless > as well...the wife would have a fit...so buy my headless, m'kay? > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: >> look wicked! >> >> i had two jamdudes back in the day, expanded to 32 secs...great >> machines and the new software looks cool >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Dennis Moser = wrote: >>> Asking once again because there are now two of these units up for sale: >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lexicon-JamMan-w-Phil-Keaggy-MIDI-Setup-JamExpa= nd-V2-0-17-MIN-53-SEC-/180696566108?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem2a12= 5ac95c#ht_6345wt_1182 >>> >>> =85anyone know the details on this? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> >>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >>> http://audiozoloft.com >>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:52:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBE4718347A; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3n1NEOYXkoFHTwuwgfOIiEh7yjsjZ23yGPxRMT1eTkY=; b=koyCcyilXuOcud53HAn0ZHKNj3BN4Dn0ubaFzIOJvcKBfd15uQHiRp/3oVezQnLOmr CeDxMKbIYfsALQEpmP78p8Lg7FQE1gmEvDby7nP67XAvQNBkKV8R/a/nJNIwYrZEGdH3 Bj/C2bIdTvDAd+2DTr1xW/kAbuVtkn62jlPnI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:52:16 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sound Design vs. Presets From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Make your own sounds into presets. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:47 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > For those who use software instruments, what do you prefer, making your own > sounds from scratch or using presets? I tend to make them from scratch > because I have this unusual ego that tells me using presets is cheating > haha. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:54:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA8EF183489; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=/lR054kEmR9HqWJD1Azt2FO/OYglfXoTQdAKpEoUJ2o=; b=Z/o/9BarsLDhyY93NFbXcJYy9UnK/DH59crKCFUOEPvMe/7JNaj+wyLwnRKmc2Q6Av nmX4QcHfTYcAm9NHfOLrpl7YHUd+bRdFMlTgBezBAtCHaKXOU9Gm2ERBr2Ovc48HAzyT fcoN51HGU0aHfNVkElHO1t7xoPhDoBdPfTiTM= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1105081070 Message-ID:<1105081070-1327870443-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1720435815-@b15.c28.bise6.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal References: In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Once more: Anyone know details? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:54:03 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) SSBnb3QgcXVpdGUgYSBjYWNrbGUgYXMgd2VsbCBkZW5uaXMuIA0KU2VudCBvbiB0aGUgU3ByaW50 riBOb3cgTmV0d29yayBmcm9tIG15IEJsYWNrQmVycnmuDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2Fn ZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBEZW5uaXMgTW9zZXIgPHNpbnNvZm1hY2hhdXRAZ21haWwuY29tPg0KRGF0 ZTogU3VuLCAyOSBKYW4gMjAxMiAxMzo1MTowMyANClRvOiA8TG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3Bl cnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdo dC5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBPbmNlIG1vcmU6IEFueW9uZSBrbm93IGRldGFpbHM/DQoNClNp bWVvbi4NCg0KWW91IGRpZG4ndCBoZWFyIHRoYXQgaHlzdGVyaWNhbCBsYXVnaHRlciwgZGlkIHlv dT8gVGhlIFdpZmUganVzdCBzYWlkDQp0aGF0IGlmIHRoZSBiYW5rIGFjY291bnQgd291bGQgYWxs b3cgaXQgSSBzaG91bGQgYnV5IGJvdGghIE5vdGhpbmcNCmxpa2UgaGF2aW5nIGEgZGV2b3RlZCBh bmQgc3VwcG9ydGl2ZSBmYW4gaW4gaG91c2UsIGVoPw0KDQpBbnl3YXlzIJcgSSBoYXZlIGEgZmFp cmx5IGNsZWFuIEphbW1hbiBJJ3ZlIGJlZW4gaGFuZ2luZyBvbiB0byBmb3INCnNvbWUgdGltZSBu b3csIHNvIGl0J3MgYSAodmVyeSkgZnV0dXJlIGNvbnNpZGVyYXRpb24uDQoNCk5vdyBhYm91dCB0 aGF0IGhlYWRsZXNzIHRoaW5naWUghSA4LSkNCg0KQmVzdCwNCg0KRGVubmlzDQoNCmh0dHA6Ly9z b3VuZGNsb3VkLmNvbS91c3JzYmluDQpodHRwOi8vYXVkaW96b2xvZnQuY29tDQpodHRwOi8vdXNy c2xhc2hzYmluLmFuZ3Jlay5jb20vDQoNCg0KDQpPbiBTdW4sIEphbiAyOSwgMjAxMiBhdCAxOjI5 IFBNLCBTaW1lb24gSGFycmlzDQo8c2ltZW9uaGFycmlzNDBAZ29vZ2xlbWFpbC5jb20+IHdyb3Rl Og0KPiBhbnl3YXkgZGVubmlzLi4ueW91IGNhbid0IGFmZm9yZCB0byBidXkgb25lIG9mIHRoZXNl IGFuZCBteSBoZWFkbGVzcw0KPiBhcyB3ZWxsLi4udGhlIHdpZmUgd291bGQgaGF2ZSBhIGZpdC4u LnNvIGJ1eSBteSBoZWFkbGVzcywgbSdrYXk/DQo+DQo+IE9uIFN1biwgSmFuIDI5LCAyMDEyIGF0 IDg6MjggUE0sIFNpbWVvbiBIYXJyaXMNCj4gPHNpbWVvbmhhcnJpczQwQGdvb2dsZW1haWwuY29t PiB3cm90ZToNCj4+IGxvb2sgd2lja2VkIQ0KPj4NCj4+IGkgaGFkIHR3byBqYW1kdWRlcyBiYWNr IGluIHRoZSBkYXksIGV4cGFuZGVkIHRvIDMyIHNlY3MuLi5ncmVhdA0KPj4gbWFjaGluZXMgYW5k IHRoZSBuZXcgc29mdHdhcmUgbG9va3MgY29vbA0KPj4NCj4+IE9uIFN1biwgSmFuIDI5LCAyMDEy IGF0IDg6MTggUE0sIERlbm5pcyBNb3NlciA8c2luc29mbWFjaGF1dEBnbWFpbC5jb20+IHdyb3Rl Og0KPj4+IEFza2luZyBvbmNlIGFnYWluIGJlY2F1c2UgdGhlcmUgYXJlIG5vdyB0d28gb2YgdGhl c2UgdW5pdHMgdXAgZm9yIHNhbGU6DQo+Pj4NCj4+PiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LmViYXkuY29tL2l0bS9M ZXhpY29uLUphbU1hbi13LVBoaWwtS2VhZ2d5LU1JREktU2V0dXAtSmFtRXhwYW5kLVYyLTAtMTct TUlOLTUzLVNFQy0vMTgwNjk2NTY2MTA4P3B0PUxIX0RlZmF1bHREb21haW5fMCZoYXNoPWl0ZW0y YTEyNWFjOTVjI2h0XzYzNDV3dF8xMTgyDQo+Pj4NCj4+PiCFYW55b25lIGtub3cgdGhlIGRldGFp bHMgb24gdGhpcz8NCj4+Pg0KPj4+IEJlc3QsDQo+Pj4NCj4+PiBEZW5uaXMNCj4+Pg0KPj4+DQo+ Pj4gaHR0cDovL3NvdW5kY2xvdWQuY29tL3VzcnNiaW4NCj4+PiBodHRwOi8vYXVkaW96b2xvZnQu Y29tDQo+Pj4gaHR0cDovL3VzcnNsYXNoc2Jpbi5hbmdyZWsuY29tLw0KPj4+DQo+DQoNCg== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 22:08:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F44A183486; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F25C348.7020404@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:08:08 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Top 20 Report for January, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4tXEEB.A.1cD.vNcJPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:08:47 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/top20-01jan.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for January, 2012. Shows #770 to #773; 5-January-2012 to 26-January-2012 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Facebook: http://facebook.com/galactictravels The Special Focus for January was cyberCHUMP. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#jan ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ======================================================================== 12 Followers/Mateo Xavier - Espers - Lightfall Austere - Euterpe - relaxedMACHINERY Binar - The TruthSets Us Free - Bogus Focus Brian Parnham - See None, Hear None, Speak None - Floating Point cyberCHUMP - Our Wizards of Earth - Internal Combustion cyberCHUMP - Sankhara - Internal Combustion cyberCHUMP - Scientists in Trees - Internal Combustion cyberCHUMP - Secrets To Tell You - Internal Combustion cyberCHUMP - Their Moment of Happiness - Internal Compustion Dan Pound - Cocoon - Pound Sounds Darshan Ambient - Dream in Blue - Lotuspike Dave Luxton - Music From the Firmament - Wayfarer Joint Intelligence Committee - The Book of Roach - BogusFocus Krusseldorf - From Soil to Space - AlephZero Mark Mosher - I Hear Your Signals - none Numina - Dawn of Obscurity - Numinarecordings ['ramp] - return - doombient ['ramp] - steel and steam - doombient The Redundant Rocker - Heart - Unsung Robert Rich - Medicine Box - Soundscape Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 22:13:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C712318348B; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eAksNTzWzOdmz5nKofpCiWjbu9PVMjsgHz/gqMmQl1A=; b=wSgaA+dGPlolrosoDFgKRRYvSveT5/3vcmRNlrP8+X9Une50sNSKUs2gPqUmWNtAtD V1+mlCh64XFHFXI+ou6+yNrBJE2o2IQGap+6mmI0fZyIDn3tA0qFa2YBFk1XSzzy7CZr L4hGdxviEkwm9J0PGHgjPMp7Uph3t/9jr2rnI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:13:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sound Design vs. Presets From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:13:13 +0000 (UTC) I don't prefer any way more than the other, just want to get the sound I hear in my imagination. Sometimes a preset goes half the way and then I simply tweak it up according to my taste. Other times I might want to do something that no preset offers and then I start out from scratch. I don't think presets are more cheating than using instruments like a guitar or a piano. Whatever brings a vision out to be shared with others is good enough IMHO. The poetry of preset names can be quite entertaining. Sometimes names say more about the programmer than about the sound per se, but I always find it interesting to think an extra second around a preset name just in case... Some presets are really good too! Whenever I see something tweaked by Tim Conrardy, Ian Boddy or Big!Tone I know from experience that this instrument sound may have multiple dimensions and that you should play it thoroughly will all possible dynamic controllers to fully check it out. It's just ridiculous how lousy some factory presets can be compared to presets created by a skilled sound designer. I've made a couple of full sampler instrument presets from my physical instruments, not because it would be "better" but simply because I love the tone of those instruments and the way I play them originally. And when sampled they morph into something new that still brings the flavor of the source sound but now reaching out into new exciting territories. It's all a matter of taste and expression. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Make your own sounds into presets. > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:47 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> For those who use software instruments, what do you prefer, making your own >> sounds from scratch or using presets? I tend to make them from scratch >> because I have this unusual ego that tells me using presets is cheating >> haha. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 00:44:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72ED7183462; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=8t6JvLAb96i8vjjfSgVeo5kzBfq87QytigWHIMYSi58=; b=OR52a7huTMyNoBW024L+gxJ3YJm2CNROyZNkhaVSpRgrFxIS3fqrHBc1j/hdih961y w4q2/HlNo7Db+UuoUhzeAMK5F6YOuZJRo2q7aq97t4yr0JXkde18rlQ3xZZcmzqhLsId Yh/fC0C0yWLggGcwRjh1nZ87mJk+o0t63EX3E= Subject: Re: Sound Design vs. Presets References: From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <84226FA9-611D-434F-8D27-473AEEB75BAE@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:44:39 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Per, Great point about presets being no different than real instruments. Haven't r= eally considered it in that way. I think I'm going to start exploring preset= s too now. I've had a habit of completely ignoring presets in synthesizers a= nd even completely deleting the plugin if there was no basic default preset t= o start from scratch. I just realized, how the heck would I gain any creativ= ity for new sounds when I never allow myself to listen to the plugin's poten= tial through presets! haha On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I don't prefer any way more than the other, just want to get the sound > I hear in my imagination. Sometimes a preset goes half the way and > then I simply tweak it up according to my taste. Other times I might > want to do something that no preset offers and then I start out from > scratch. I don't think presets are more cheating than using > instruments like a guitar or a piano. Whatever brings a vision out to > be shared with others is good enough IMHO. >=20 > The poetry of preset names can be quite entertaining. Sometimes names > say more about the programmer than about the sound per se, but I > always find it interesting to think an extra second around a preset > name just in case... >=20 > Some presets are really good too! Whenever I see something tweaked by > Tim Conrardy, Ian Boddy or Big!Tone I know from experience that this > instrument sound may have multiple dimensions and that you should play > it thoroughly will all possible dynamic controllers to fully check it > out. It's just ridiculous how lousy some factory presets can be > compared to presets created by a skilled sound designer. >=20 > I've made a couple of full sampler instrument presets from my physical > instruments, not because it would be "better" but simply because I > love the tone of those instruments and the way I play them originally. > And when sampled they morph into something new that still brings the > flavor of the source sound but now reaching out into new exciting > territories. It's all a matter of taste and expression. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> Make your own sounds into presets. >>=20 >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:47 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote= : >>> For those who use software instruments, what do you prefer, making your o= wn >>> sounds from scratch or using presets? I tend to make them from scratch >>> because I have this unusual ego that tells me using presets is cheating >>> haha. >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 02:07:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E27BB18347A; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=C2hZa87tvm7lLMTjEkaqVhHw22Scx8rTpmzWgSv7dcg=; b=aDtrT7QHSqpEcZdA+DHq9OzM9u3LCEGLBAZAeGcrRWPQXI7jyEe+Q8Uk5GafmFiEjt g5IE0dWUDF83U49mZHz7vtF3NmkrU8Wdewp9W3CTVFrNzRJ2VaiBZ+z6xUJsA6iUhZh2 1FXkRsfYUBJSm7WLM1+ia9U0vYSuNjLAN13mc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:07:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: telePort - An Introduction From: Lasse juul Kolding To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Hey Loopers! Some might remember that i a couple of years ago released an audio looper called Syncopath performer. It was just a fun little thing... Since then I've been hard at work though making the prototype of a new concept. It has a lot to do with looping and improvisation, especially MIDI looping and looping of what you do to the machine, while also letting you store a bunch of different settings and morph between them. Modular at its core and supports both vst instruments, effects and hardware over MIDI. So even just as a crazy router/mixer, without putting the sequencing parts into play, there's a lot of possibilities for creating morhpable live environments. The master channel has a buil-in audio looper as well letting you grab what you have been playing, and changing everything up before mixing the new sounds with what are playing from the looper... Currently one of the 8 audio channels has its own independent audio looper as well... I've just released the prototype recently and to make some sense out of it made an introductionary video showing some of the different ways one can use it. http://youtu.be/wj_Yump-KUI Basically it's made to suit my own purpose, but it has reached a state where it would be very fun and interesting to see what some of you would think about it! :) Cheers, Lasse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 03:51:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DA3A183477; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=a0dXmhX9ZqN1ppl/j+CRzEMDvhjiFurVr6U5h8/QaS4=; b=sAfjRMsAXR/+XN/PHPIKwxFfjF+f1EeW1enimgX6WV0lMog6AtYV6d57GAoC3mQPhi 9hCUMBVvAG6pAIDr3cLL5Dcz9K1u7vr/U8bq9Z2AgtvbKo6j0dEBwxSVDjVovoZ7lEdD 4RZ1pndhQn20yngfSsiWL8AQ7wMR7dg5hcEZo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:51:07 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: telePort - An Introduction From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e89caa27d8404b7b6c1e5 Resent-Message-ID: <_YF7XD.A.PlG.sOhJPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:51:08 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e89caa27d8404b7b6c1e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow! Seems very deep. I'll have to try it out. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Lasse juul Kolding wrote: > Hey Loopers! > > Some might remember that i a couple of years ago released an audio > looper called Syncopath performer. It was just a fun little thing... > Since then I've been hard at work though making the prototype of a new > concept. > It has a lot to do with looping and improvisation, especially MIDI > looping and looping of what you do to the machine, while also letting > you store a bunch of different settings and morph between them. > Modular at its core and supports both vst instruments, effects and > hardware over MIDI. > So even just as a crazy router/mixer, without putting the sequencing > parts into play, there's a lot of possibilities for creating morhpable > live environments. > > The master channel has a buil-in audio looper as well letting you grab > what you have been playing, and changing everything up before mixing > the new sounds with what are playing from the looper... Currently one > of the 8 audio channels has its own independent audio looper as > well... > I've just released the prototype recently and to make some sense out > of it made an introductionary video showing some of the different ways > one can use it. > > http://youtu.be/wj_Yump-KUI > > Basically it's made to suit my own purpose, but it has reached a state > where it would be very fun and interesting to see what some of you > would think about it! :) > > Cheers, > Lasse > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --90e6ba6e89caa27d8404b7b6c1e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow! Seems very deep. I'll have to try it out.

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Lasse juul Kolding <dubbilan@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Loopers!

Some might remember that i a couple of years ago released an audio
looper called Syncopath performer. It was just a fun little thing...
Since then I've been hard at work though making the prototype of a new concept.
It has a lot to do with looping and improvisation, especially MIDI
looping and looping of what you do to the machine, while also letting
you store a bunch of different settings and morph between them.
Modular at its core and supports both vst instruments, effects and
hardware over MIDI.
So even just as a crazy router/mixer, without putting the sequencing
parts into play, there's a lot of possibilities for creating morhpable
live environments.

The master channel has a buil-in audio looper as well letting you grab
what you have been playing, and changing everything up before mixing
the new sounds with what are playing from the looper... Currently one
of the 8 audio channels has its own independent audio looper as
well...
I've just released the prototype recently and to make some sense out
of it made an introductionary video showing some of the different ways
one can use it.

http://youtu.be/wj_Yump-KUI

Basically it's made to suit my own purpose, but it has reached a state
where it would be very fun and interesting to see what some of you
would think about it! :)

Cheers,
Lasse




--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com

--90e6ba6e89caa27d8404b7b6c1e5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 06:09:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7300418347A; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2VzwW4UbwpGSSjCby5i5wVH3IIxauNeVOVp2vNJRo/8=; b=j21eAvcBk1QB1SshD8A2f8f7ejxOjZ8jIBVHm6ziHSAC6EXb92U+nGZxdn7q0Tq3oV S8z25Fe4VZhklMFyMxD0RUKTjZJnnMQcCWB9XJnB8qpR1N81WJPJHLkUEn/kQ5HcbbaS 26oD5NYiSNxN6cZgxT3vQ1yg7qCCpPF7lUwJw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:09:10 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: telePort - An Introduction From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c807057fb3204b7b8afca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:09:11 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c807057fb3204b7b8afca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This looks like one helluva software On Jan 29, 2012 6:07 PM, "Lasse juul Kolding" wrote: > Hey Loopers! > > Some might remember that i a couple of years ago released an audio > looper called Syncopath performer. It was just a fun little thing... > Since then I've been hard at work though making the prototype of a new > concept. > It has a lot to do with looping and improvisation, especially MIDI > looping and looping of what you do to the machine, while also letting > you store a bunch of different settings and morph between them. > Modular at its core and supports both vst instruments, effects and > hardware over MIDI. > So even just as a crazy router/mixer, without putting the sequencing > parts into play, there's a lot of possibilities for creating morhpable > live environments. > > The master channel has a buil-in audio looper as well letting you grab > what you have been playing, and changing everything up before mixing > the new sounds with what are playing from the looper... Currently one > of the 8 audio channels has its own independent audio looper as > well... > I've just released the prototype recently and to make some sense out > of it made an introductionary video showing some of the different ways > one can use it. > > http://youtu.be/wj_Yump-KUI > > Basically it's made to suit my own purpose, but it has reached a state > where it would be very fun and interesting to see what some of you > would think about it! :) > > Cheers, > Lasse > > --f46d043c807057fb3204b7b8afca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This looks like one helluva software

On Jan 29, 2012 6:07 PM, "Lasse juul Koldin= g" <dubbilan@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Hey Loopers!

Some might remember that i a couple of years ago released an audio
looper called Syncopath performer. It was just a fun little thing...
Since then I've been hard at work though making the prototype of a new = concept.
It has a lot to do with looping and improvisation, especially MIDI
looping and looping of what you do to the machine, while also letting
you store a bunch of different settings and morph between them.
Modular at its core and supports both vst instruments, effects and
hardware over MIDI.
So even just as a crazy router/mixer, without putting the sequencing
parts into play, there's a lot of possibilities for creating morhpable<= br> live environments.

The master channel has a buil-in audio looper as well letting you grab
what you have been playing, and changing everything up before mixing
the new sounds with what are playing from the looper... Currently one
of the 8 audio channels has its own independent audio looper as
well...
I've just released the prototype recently and to make some sense out of it made an introductionary video showing some of the different ways
one can use it.

http://youtu.be/w= j_Yump-KUI

Basically it's made to suit my own purpose, but it has reached a state<= br> where it would be very fun and interesting to see what some of you
would think about it! :)

Cheers,
Lasse

--f46d043c807057fb3204b7b8afca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 08:15:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60FF7183486; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=p7zvC70Zv9rBKy1cuk2YPdvCAjxPHFSMXMWZcEPDlME=; b=Nl6KzhECRQQW3Zg9P4njW8k1oqh3/maq6Yw9f0APxOZNumwD6zhOsf3jlwYzKmFKS1 Nreery7WSs9AfjVMSs0/qxt77y5gGG2uQo4iqxUbQ/i026zZ7Jws06oCoXp95rTWSft7 yvIBd+S9bTg1tFGsQHSVrK+wE8TvB+G6Mhmds= References: <84226FA9-611D-434F-8D27-473AEEB75BAE@gmail.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <84226FA9-611D-434F-8D27-473AEEB75BAE@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:15:01 +0100 Message-ID: <6501531932368002554@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Sound Design vs. Presets To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Interesting! I use lots of presets, i find thats the only way for work based music, time constraints etc. i use them to bash down an idea. I consider many Kontakt patches to be wonderfully designed instruments, like a stradavarios or stratocaster. But i do understand that it feels like cheating. but you can learn alot by looking at how the patches are built up. i like to leave the factorys, but then overwrite one everytime i save my own. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 08:27:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 162B618348A; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0SR0NGlQ1e2giGYPuLmyreyaRyGI0GNLc2TlFPuclpo=; b=pc2eYwr0Laet0Z1nEWF1P/ygNdW+VIc0kdxWqgGcU33vXRmWSNXlgyz1WPcRHddaVx Cm5XpHiqopCczzDbbB7C9ov7wGQNBByK691xf3RZo4PxtbbdevGhGH8ZUTWfvqZTMbLP wyCgCh+3ORNnTBILs9hwGQqqHbEjbFs+W/ZSM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:27:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: telePort - An Introduction From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Seems like you made some smart choices in this design, Lasse! Can't make timer for testing but please be sure to post whenever more information are made available. Would love to see a detailed feature chart etc. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:09 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > This looks like one helluva software > > On Jan 29, 2012 6:07 PM, "Lasse juul Kolding" wrote: >> >> Hey Loopers! >> >> Some might remember that i a couple of years ago released an audio >> looper called Syncopath performer. It was just a fun little thing... >> Since then I've been hard at work though making the prototype of a new >> concept. >> It has a lot to do with looping and improvisation, especially MIDI >> looping and looping of what you do to the machine, while also letting >> you store a bunch of different settings and morph between them. >> Modular at its core and supports both vst instruments, effects and >> hardware over MIDI. >> So even just as a crazy router/mixer, without putting the sequencing >> parts into play, there's a lot of possibilities for creating morhpable >> live environments. >> >> The master channel has a buil-in audio looper as well letting you grab >> what you have been playing, and changing everything up before mixing >> the new sounds with what are playing from the looper... Currently one >> of the 8 audio channels has its own independent audio looper as >> well... >> I've just released the prototype recently and to make some sense out >> of it made an introductionary video showing some of the different ways >> one can use it. >> >> http://youtu.be/wj_Yump-KUI >> >> Basically it's made to suit my own purpose, but it has reached a state >> where it would be very fun and interesting to see what some of you >> would think about it! :) >> >> Cheers, >> Lasse >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 10:32:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6C5F18348C; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:31:30 +0000 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sound Design vs. Presets Message-ID: <51CCDD9A4575284BB4A18E6B@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01kHKwawDV6J2OpfbU0QXWFdnPoB/OvgCfI93RoRjTxgOgEc6J6CE=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:32:02 +0000 (UTC) It really depends... I've no problem calling up a simple synth bass preset, for example, and tweaking it to taste. But then there are other synth presets that are almost like fully formed tracks in and of themselves. I mean, you could take a lot of Absynth presets, play with the control parameters and there's your song. Now that IS cheating! The majority of factory presets that come with software sound horrible anyway. They're meant to show off all the crazy things it can do rather than produce useable sounds. This makes them useful for educating yourself about the software's capabilities but I don't feel tempted to use a great many of them, personally. Philip. --On 29 January 2012 12:47 -0800 kay'lon rushing wrote: > > For those who use software instruments, what do you prefer, making your > own sounds from scratch or using presets? I tend to make them from > scratch because I have this unusual ego that tells me using presets is > cheating haha. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 10:37:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54B2618348D; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 724248670/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.149/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.149 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAFdxJk9V0rWV/2dsb2JhbAAMN7FPAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd4uEeIPQEDAgIECgIBDAQDBAoCAgMHAgQFAQMCAxkCAQIBgnUBAggCAgEDAwIGBgsOgSmDHASaXY0O X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,591,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="724248670" Message-ID: <4F2672D8.2070103@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:37:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sound Design vs. Presets References: <84226FA9-611D-434F-8D27-473AEEB75BAE@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <84226FA9-611D-434F-8D27-473AEEB75BAE@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Gmail wrote: > listen to the plugin's potential through presets! It may be that the presets show the potential, but often this isn't the case. The only way to know is.... andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 11:45:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA94183490; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9LGb4/7C5u6dqExhloc2YZeiKl70mdl5+GG/bKftsvk=; b=iLftO5zJ+plb+AJJLKaVMv7kv9aTsRdLfNRBvjBnPVItdSAOVDk0rD5N6l6+iviko0 k8YFHNG/GYScJfyWojlLbBu9V/IQj3K+zBkMTxxbuNOyjwLeJjqO0UDIlUdL7QYrF+oa ySmbMCM6HbdV1QkEuQjzgDMfIwcS4R4XtinIE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:45:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: IPAD app for lyrics on stage From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and change them with a foot controller as you need them? I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics repertories by different band projects. thanx cheers Luis -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 12:12:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CA15183492; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+lgVdDhbU5i0fdkwXAJjAGmsBKg2aQ0HVJbqj+x2f5k=; b=iEWvKszHzjGWwmnO+lCO92ta3AFrpRnAEQSbozpP/S4eMLC+gmRGzmhONm0uEDc2qS N8G1hIAqzCY7f9U1dEO/30wOePy0Ji1jDNe7Ip8s9mcLDG1hlEpYYDq9T/PP38Xo8NPg pV8cgs60KbzowifoYoAehDXzwwT1H5AK1jOo8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:12:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IPAD app for lyrics on stage From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:12:05 +0000 (UTC) I don't know about apps, but probably there is some. On my iPhone I have Keynote and it works just like a full-screen slide-show (the good old Power Point presentation concept). With my Macbook I use a Bluetooth wireless to switch screen. I have not tried the Bluetooth controller with the iPhone version though. What a great idea for a singer to put lyrics on an iPad! A friend that toured with Sabbath told me that Ozzy uses a projector in the ceiling to project the lyrics on the floor before him between his mic stand and the monitor cans. Very efficient solution and totally transparent to the audience. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and > change them with a foot controller as you need them? > I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but > will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like > this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics > repertories by different band projects. > thanx > cheers > Luis > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 12:53:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9CC8183494; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1TKkaQmA+FWIOYoCsnaSoBfAFd2HkChIKfW4Y2wBbIw=; b=fRa/A7jvQjSHNi0GtUw3Kosf9frza/esa5Jqb80TKoZRbgk4iZzYFD/Ur6QKfBKyLN zDER1+u8jILAptl/3g3MUTo1Iflc0Vqhdz20agT61ewnf+T9wmqhpNRtYeNQRE8H37A7 blQR/Nf9YTfxydCSxxxllZLBSJZRnjxUAMHp0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:53:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: telePort - An Introduction From: Lasse juul Kolding To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Art, kay'lon and Per! It is, quite deep... basically an attempt to make one interface were I can make "songs" in all the different ways I've been doing the last 6 years with max msp, but let me change to "that completely other way" by pushing a button... Writing the feature chart eludes me still, for this reason, since in all it's simplicity it breaks the normally more linear art of sequencing into 4 distinct modules that with the different available modes give you something like 100+ different ways of play and the abstractive freedom making it necessary to decide How to make an (augmented) pattern, since you can do it in any number of ways depending on the control you would like... Phew, gradually for sure, I will document it better :) For now I'm working on a couple of dedicated "getting started" tutorials which I will post here for sure! Happy looping fellas! p.s. and don't be shy to share the videos and links, I'm really curious to see what someone other than myself would get out of it! :) Obviously, I don't think much will happen before there's at least a couple of tutorials to get one started... On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Seems like you made some smart choices in this design, Lasse! Can't > make timer for testing but please be sure to post whenever more > information are made available. Would love to see a detailed feature > chart etc. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:09 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> This looks like one helluva software >> >> On Jan 29, 2012 6:07 PM, "Lasse juul Kolding" wrote: >>> >>> Hey Loopers! >>> >>> Some might remember that i a couple of years ago released an audio >>> looper called Syncopath performer. It was just a fun little thing... >>> Since then I've been hard at work though making the prototype of a new >>> concept. >>> It has a lot to do with looping and improvisation, especially MIDI >>> looping and looping of what you do to the machine, while also letting >>> you store a bunch of different settings and morph between them. >>> Modular at its core and supports both vst instruments, effects and >>> hardware over MIDI. >>> So even just as a crazy router/mixer, without putting the sequencing >>> parts into play, there's a lot of possibilities for creating morhpable >>> live environments. >>> >>> The master channel has a buil-in audio looper as well letting you grab >>> what you have been playing, and changing everything up before mixing >>> the new sounds with what are playing from the looper... Currently one >>> of the 8 audio channels has its own independent audio looper as >>> well... >>> I've just released the prototype recently and to make some sense out >>> of it made an introductionary video showing some of the different ways >>> one can use it. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/wj_Yump-KUI >>> >>> Basically it's made to suit my own purpose, but it has reached a state >>> where it would be very fun and interesting to see what some of you >>> would think about it! :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Lasse >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 13:47:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60F42183498; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1627 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:47:12 UTC X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:20:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: IPAD app for lyrics on stage In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120130132001.D7A0DD3E7B@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:47:13 +0000 (UTC) A friend of mine is using something like that, it apparently displays pdf files. She is using it to display her sheet music which she has converted to pdf format, then she can build set lists in whatever order she wants. I'll see if I can find out what it's called and where she got it. Paul Haslem, Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 07:12 AM 1/30/2012, you wrote: >I don't know about apps, but probably there is some. On my iPhone I >have Keynote and it works just like a full-screen slide-show (the good >old Power Point presentation concept). With my Macbook I use a >Bluetooth wireless to switch screen. I have not tried the Bluetooth >controller with the iPhone version though. > >What a great idea for a singer to put lyrics on an iPad! A friend that >toured with Sabbath told me that Ozzy uses a projector in the ceiling >to project the lyrics on the floor before him between his mic stand >and the monitor cans. Very efficient solution and totally transparent >to the audience. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.perboysen.com >http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > >On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > Hi gang, > > is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and > > change them with a foot controller as you need them? > > I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but > > will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like > > this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics > > repertories by different band projects. > > thanx > > cheers > > Luis > > -- > > www.luis-angulo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 16:15:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EAD8183499; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4F26C202.0057,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=dojHmsI+h+sZVrO8n8QFPj0BO2mVHv3NdGZT8ltFrI0= c=1 sm=1 a=OO7cQ3L4UaYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=kVobe2OVAAAA:8 a=Dij5T6JgLeP5EjldmDIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=x6PwGLS4C4cA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: RE: IPAD app for lyrics on stage Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:14:42 -0800 Message-ID: <0D8B4F12A7BF499CBF1DC8CE13107745@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: AczfRKQN69E/NxEBRy2xLh/sSby0zwAJO0ww Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:15:07 +0000 (UTC) I have recently started grabbing lyrics off the Internet in a pinch, using my Blackberry. I then loop so I can have my hands free to scroll down--tiny screen you know . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 3:45 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: IPAD app for lyrics on stage Hi gang, is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and change them with a foot controller as you need them? I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics repertories by different band projects. thanx cheers Luis -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 16:20:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62B87183496; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fXyt2EcnP9IQfZX+ZwacJ/0J95Z8VQSJMgkCke31xNE=; b=SVl9COtwAMu5CKcpgrnS4IIcHW67Ep2iZyRUto5kttoKP+lf/xULoQGZGZn1kRq80h 190PXHjkJDJUElX2LKyac9sW6wjZJ4UsjB6S5g6g1jfeN4/HxFzrDx36fpVp28F6JYf/ e2QBi9E9ifzX8LVyqEuyE2fAMkIFgf8KID0/Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0D8B4F12A7BF499CBF1DC8CE13107745@your0548c161e1> References: <0D8B4F12A7BF499CBF1DC8CE13107745@your0548c161e1> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:20:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IPAD app for lyrics on stage From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Plug in the Lyrix Looper - issue solved! Per ;-) On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > I have recently started grabbing lyrics off the Internet in a pinch, using > my Blackberry. > I then loop so I can have my hands free to scroll down--tiny screen you know > . . . > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 3:45 AM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: IPAD app for lyrics on stage > > Hi gang, > is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and > change them with a foot controller as you need them? > I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but > will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like > this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics > repertories by different band projects. > thanx > cheers > Luis > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 16:52:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41F03183495; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-30_04:2012-01-30,2012-01-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201300173 Subject: Re: IPAD app for lyrics on stage From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:52:14 -0500 Message-id: <3A755CBA-8EAF-4B38-BA35-534955CB259F@mac.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:52:33 +0000 (UTC) the best solution (I've checked out all of them) is the ONSONG app with a THEGIGEASY mount and the AIRTURN bluetooth page turners http://www.onsongapp.com/ http://thegigeasy.com/index.html http://airturn.com/ Teddy http://teddyjam.com On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and > change them with a foot controller as you need them? > I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but > will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like > this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics > repertories by different band projects. > thanx > cheers > Luis > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 18:29:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD99F18349B; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6poq7BcRX2CXXgXg8yqk7ulc8jzo/FeOiZxy9Aeokpc=; b=fWiUx8jim4EA9duT5VrrRKzab7f658vGpJoj78Z7konxD0a+qrB6qU+VLkaYHqwS6z GxI+kddDSjlkrAVK2ad9mKQsasK5q+TvIGPETYbQQfoJihKZJ0GHuc5d9ze0b+uwGhWi LW7vYDf0MZVfe1oAihNrcAEUqJzIt2VJm22LQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:29:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cult of Jazz III From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934042f3c563904b7c30684 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:29:19 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934042f3c563904b7c30684 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Paul and everyone else who has written their commentaries - so rarely in instructional videos or anywhere the question of pick is talked about. Btw, watched the Pick of Destiny in the weekend - a movie about how important pick can be in music. 2012/1/29 Paul Sullivan > funny OT discussion. I've tried almost every kind of pick out there, even > stuck with some different ones for a while even, but I always seem to come > back to the first pick I ever used: a Fender medium, classic shape, > tortoise shell. For me also it's definitely changing how hard I hold it > that changes the sound, that and sometimes using the more rounded corners > for an even darker tone. I even like the slippery feel, as opposed to the > more textured Dunlop surfaces that a lot of people seem to prefer. For me > it's the perfect design, and you can always find them anywhere. > > Paul > http://paulsullivan.com > > > > > -- Petri --14dae934042f3c563904b7c30684 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Paul and everyone else who has written their commentaries - so rarel= y
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--14dae934042f3c563904b7c30684-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 19:21:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A28DB18349D; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=amq23ynEWgPIh4rPksE3kBkgLKaKOw7IQWuSoO37Z9U=; b=dMlUNLtqY4bmHUuaiLPQvrxNMEomhtnXF8mU7BmMZ4QbcmOwIwN9uNqJLvM1aBDapV Abl6srRwN6fdkshClEIjdrjnmaCHEm2PCEX7LXd0c9wOlhf/kxwYkpdylJm/MpFFWhZt ATbVcW2WbHkv05JXHTetUoD7q/L/QeGkrJW4Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:21:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Alternative approaches to arrangement/composition? From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:21:10 +0000 (UTC) I generally loop guitar, get the skeleton of the drums/bass, then arrange via adding/subtracting. Does anyone have any different philosophies/methods that they use for arranging and composing? Borrowing techniques from different fields, maybe something like compositions based on "game of life" or art, or whatever. Sorry for being vague, but I don't even know what exists. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 19:37:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D1D5183497; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=n+k3SAzhtz8b0M8Sz/4z+Q2tw1S1uVIfMMv2Vg55+mI=; b=ZsGsTUcUe7Lcy/Cv5SfYmfWY5mqYUrkX4vOyB5O97giEX7IbAJ3Op2d8HGj7uVYNnz U9ZBaqwE6CP0kIbVNDtPy0ydo4ywxU7TPdWulUll+NPSxwamyBWlRqsPHs0Z1xRPvqhv iQP5mCE5XCJWEH6RiPi/PxIm4YSoaucp3RjSY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:37:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Alternative approaches to arrangement/composition? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:37:45 +0000 (UTC) That's a very interesting topic, Marcus. I don't find you post "vague" as you are actually presenting the "adding/subtracting approach". I'd like to chime with "the complimentary approach" then. When you have an idea for a musical part you can focus on coming up with something different that complements, kind of "fills in" what you left out in that first part. I have found that less musical clues you put into a piece the more awarding will the listening experience be, given the listener gets the piece. The challenge is to find the balance between how much you can hold off from and where you may start running the risk of loosing the story-telling dimension. Another exciting approach is to compose without an instrument. Use a comfy sofa and make up the parts in you imagination before physically playing them. Or to use two-handed instruments/setups. Like a keyboard divided into a left hand sound patch and a right hand sound patch. Then let the two hands jam together like two musicians. Can be done on guitar too if tapping instead of plucking. Playing monophonic instruments, or single-string melody playing with guitar, can also be fun if you focus on "playing chords". You will then have to build arpeggios into the melodies in order to imply the chords that isn't really played. Making the listener "hear" something that isn't there "hands-on" is the trick here. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > I generally loop guitar, get the skeleton of the drums/bass, then > arrange via adding/subtracting. > > Does anyone have any different philosophies/methods that they use for > arranging and composing? Borrowing techniques from different fields, > maybe something like compositions based on "game of life" or art, or > whatever. > > Sorry for being vague, but I don't even know what exists. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 19:46:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0F11834A3; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5497C4A247C0471090DB21CD9B432882@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Alternative approaches to arrangement/composition? Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:46:13 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: <5uS4HC.A.N5.GOvJPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:46:14 +0000 (UTC) I think the loop is an excellent process for composing; I find the integration with say, a pop structure can be a little daunting technologically, but beyond that I find it quite helpful. -----Original Message----- From: Marcus Kirby Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Alternative approaches to arrangement/composition? I generally loop guitar, get the skeleton of the drums/bass, then arrange via adding/subtracting. Does anyone have any different philosophies/methods that they use for arranging and composing? Borrowing techniques from different fields, maybe something like compositions based on "game of life" or art, or whatever. Sorry for being vague, but I don't even know what exists. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 20:31:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77D3E1834A1; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:31:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rVNOADYr6exT+Ac9ZPHSXlhiCRKJkyo14uuJX88t6Eo=; b=MgCp/BGjv5e2BAkj45Bcv6vFIjQO2IoJkH6jV51lkM7EIpT3C/EJjk/FvBYneOsaKy 25LG+YF3vCOgAqSIYXKSY+BXFw+4ZH8qSo80nf1o1KQmCumbQMPGUCXMZzxilhKEpFqE FVsT+SDdxigiKOgLiyMJj5025LWeomwMoqE8c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F2112FB.8000608@cruzio.com> References: <4F2112FB.8000608@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:31:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: LP2: The correct power source is: From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:31:25 +0000 (UTC) Ah, I tool await the LP-2. I got distracted by the new Vox looper which is fun to toy with, but looking forward to the LP-2! On 1/26/12, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Joe Clark wrote: >> Oh Lp-2 where are you? Any updates on when the second batch will be >> sent out? Is the first batch working? ????? > Word is that Bob has the whole first large shipment of components and is > assembling as we speak. > > I used mine at NAMM this past weekend and had no failures with it, for > what that's worth. > A couple of bugs were found in the initial release (a small one) and > they have been fixed. > > Rick Walker > > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 23:00:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73DAE183465; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of louie.angulo@googlemail.com designates 10.68.200.65 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.200.65; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of louie.angulo@googlemail.com designates 10.68.200.65 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=louie.angulo@googlemail.com; dkim=pass header.i=louie.angulo@googlemail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2dMhl0GRBb/jm6qI0T18o34DnpDLBWLRMikQi+EPlDU=; b=C6acSk4hZNRgwnmOcZMIZpTyRwrM8c3aGbO2oqRi5CZHIiXrWlEXJfM1fWGCMl0Ylp s5cbK9icopjYrm3p2PUKidssLxAqHidz534C48oW7YpiWA7o2p7bI+OaJ1f22BbuBdZ+ QEZA++lhfSPTXSFwDTY6X+2RZEXjds8eC3KqA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3A755CBA-8EAF-4B38-BA35-534955CB259F@mac.com> References: <3A755CBA-8EAF-4B38-BA35-534955CB259F@mac.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:53:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IPAD app for lyrics on stage From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:00:41 +0000 (UTC) oh man thats why i love this list thanx Teddy im checking this stuff out as we speak! THEGIGEASYlook nice,though they been coming up with other more practical and faster solutions check this one out,though i dont know if it would work on a mic stand http://www.solveitstore.com/ then thers the iklip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuK-2szm0Sc&feature=player_embedded which one to choose! cheers Luis On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > the best solution (I've checked out all of them) is the ONSONG app with a THEGIGEASY mount and the AIRTURN bluetooth page turners > > http://www.onsongapp.com/ > http://thegigeasy.com/index.html > http://airturn.com/ > > Teddy > http://teddyjam.com > > On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > >> Hi gang, >> is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and >> change them with a foot controller as you need them? >> I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but >> will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like >> this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics >> repertories by different band projects. >> thanx >> cheers >> Luis >> -- >> www.luis-angulo.com >> > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 00:29:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60B661834A2; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:29:42 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-30_07:2012-01-30,2012-01-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201300296 References: <3A755CBA-8EAF-4B38-BA35-534955CB259F@mac.com> In-reply-to: Message-id: <656ECF41-3A95-4194-93C2-FAAA85DB04FA@mac.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: IPAD app for lyrics on stage Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:29:34 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:29:43 +0000 (UTC) The iklip build quality sucks compared to the gig easy. I like the gig easy flex mount version... It is super sturdy I'll check out that other site too but it looks more expensive. Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > oh man thats why i love this list thanx Teddy im checking this stuff > out as we speak! > > THEGIGEASYlook nice,though they been coming up with other more > practical and faster solutions > check this one out,though i dont know if it would work on a mic stand > > http://www.solveitstore.com/ > > then thers the iklip > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuK-2szm0Sc&feature=player_embedded > > which one to choose! > cheers > Luis > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >> the best solution (I've checked out all of them) is the ONSONG app with a THEGIGEASY mount and the AIRTURN bluetooth page turners >> >> http://www.onsongapp.com/ >> http://thegigeasy.com/index.html >> http://airturn.com/ >> >> Teddy >> http://teddyjam.com >> >> On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: >> >>> Hi gang, >>> is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and >>> change them with a foot controller as you need them? >>> I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but >>> will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like >>> this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics >>> repertories by different band projects. >>> thanx >>> cheers >>> Luis >>> -- >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >> > > > > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 01:59:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEC471834A9; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=OK3+/8QSE0x0nqbiioxNTmf0+TpWCYJlNbQbokuF9EA=; b=ALSjVdnjELsGXOiW615UIr4vI1/1BYQGUHcn58D+pYUk7lvdfg3t+58BRT583FPoAN lbuX6r/QNRC3XqZsuDRzjwA6nk/vpWyw2GtsPQCXrgbA7qxr4gsXHuBfCQ72bGMk0JST g/1muqHvEKGbJbkQGeX8Bel8YIiBBQhhq7Z5A= Subject: Spawning musical ideas? From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:59:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <3z5dN.A.l_E.Ss0JPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:59:46 +0000 (UTC) How do you guys start your loop sessions? Where do you get your musical idea= s? I often have tons of trouble thinking of any kind of melody or chord prog= ression before actually playing, especially when performing. Its like a cons= istent mind block that occurs every time. Any tips? BTW I loop on a keyboard= connected to my laptop. Sent from my iPod= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 02:30:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18A551834AE; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nnHtJLPnETBFPrQ6EUMaYVv4HBR8EpgdpKUPfEmK6Ko=; b=k1qaCCX4FxYMNP6JIMbVbUmaYcI+z5OFmL4hzv8If13k+/C8vBzlc4fmh7PTCXTTOO 1bTtt+3Lk1crxh+nCzOudZsh/iE0Li8R+fgD1opF+wtW+cDbNo69y9PbjkZJFORGPUVR PBUvM1hQm1g6pZ0xumOKrUYBqbe6MSJPOPOG0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:30:18 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cae075e1cf04b7c9be9e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:30:19 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1cae075e1cf04b7c9be9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 just play, see where it takes you? On Jan 30, 2012 7:59 PM, "Gmail" wrote: > How do you guys start your loop sessions? Where do you get your musical > ideas? I often have tons of trouble thinking of any kind of melody or chord > progression before actually playing, especially when performing. Its like a > consistent mind block that occurs every time. Any tips? BTW I loop on a > keyboard connected to my laptop. > Sent from my iPod > --e89a8ff1cae075e1cf04b7c9be9e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

just play, see where it takes you?

On Jan 30, 2012 7:59 PM, "Gmail" <<= a href=3D"mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com">k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
How do you guys start your loop sessions? Where do you get your musical ide= as? I often have tons of trouble thinking of any kind of melody or chord pr= ogression before actually playing, especially when performing. Its like a c= onsistent mind block that occurs every time. Any tips? BTW I loop on a keyb= oard connected to my laptop.
Sent from my iPod
--e89a8ff1cae075e1cf04b7c9be9e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 02:58:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 616851834AC; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yUVHz1UdXb3L7GDaVNVXfWELqNyF498bLxg8md64IJo=; b=o2pnypJelgys5gwGuWFB/G+f1V4XuY+CVwJGTeLe+pqH9Dzgmm5ZzLpDTmTUB6ifiR Jw4o4wXuOMS9AfPC4a2+f40YqQrJtnPPqTooL1hjMTTr7k6h6mD1HKpn+LKXOk/mhtr5 tjOdEQiAyUzbCcbXv5kG20j3Oc1KblUXkYN1Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <656ECF41-3A95-4194-93C2-FAAA85DB04FA@mac.com> References: <3A755CBA-8EAF-4B38-BA35-534955CB259F@mac.com> <656ECF41-3A95-4194-93C2-FAAA85DB04FA@mac.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:58:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IPAD app for lyrics on stage From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:58:34 +0000 (UTC) this looks good as well http://www.thomann.de/gb/km_19722_ipadhalterung.htm On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > The iklip build quality sucks compared to the gig easy. I like the gig easy flex mount version... It is super sturdy > > I'll check out that other site too but it looks more expensive. > > Teddy Kumpel > http://teddyjam.com > > On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > >> oh man thats why i love this list thanx Teddy im checking this stuff >> out as we speak! >> >> THEGIGEASYlook nice,though they been coming up with other more >> practical and faster solutions >> check this one out,though i dont know if it would work on a mic stand >> >> http://www.solveitstore.com/ >> >> then thers the iklip >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuK-2szm0Sc&feature=player_embedded >> >> which one to choose! >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: >>> the best solution (I've checked out all of them) is the ONSONG app with a THEGIGEASY mount and the AIRTURN bluetooth page turners >>> >>> http://www.onsongapp.com/ >>> http://thegigeasy.com/index.html >>> http://airturn.com/ >>> >>> Teddy >>> http://teddyjam.com >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: >>> >>>> Hi gang, >>>> is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and >>>> change them with a foot controller as you need them? >>>> I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but >>>> will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like >>>> this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics >>>> repertories by different band projects. >>>> thanx >>>> cheers >>>> Luis >>>> -- >>>> www.luis-angulo.com >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.luis-angulo.com >> > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 03:32:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C38221834B0; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=MQE/OZW4k2jdl2A6a3Aa2N48Bfymmf2Eq7JmsNsp0Ew=; b=OwmbwDVFTI6w2IvI5QgdZrdNsap7c1JdeTBE5aexzsw07zxM8RgAlMYrKmcSb6iARC n1NOALM2qrrkK4LQ69Fkwbbilr3ZhmJ28yMnpqhCLUOPZoVe3sTzuc390V2WXzFqrgkK BkLwFRLDsxjfyolFYHr7vWc1nxt557jSzZTDY= Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3EE5CF54-7BE1-4F18-AF1C-739BB6F92276 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:32:10 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:32:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3EE5CF54-7BE1-4F18-AF1C-739BB6F92276 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lol that scares me. I won't know the progression if I do it that way :/ or do chord progressions even matter? On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > just play, see where it takes you? >=20 > On Jan 30, 2012 7:59 PM, "Gmail" wrote: > How do you guys start your loop sessions? Where do you get your musical id= eas? I often have tons of trouble thinking of any kind of melody or chord pr= ogression before actually playing, especially when performing. Its like a co= nsistent mind block that occurs every time. Any tips? BTW I loop on a keyboa= rd connected to my laptop. > Sent from my iPod --Apple-Mail-3EE5CF54-7BE1-4F18-AF1C-739BB6F92276 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Lol that scares me. I won't know the progression if I do it that way :/
or do chord progressions even matter?



On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com> wrote:

just play, see where it takes you?

On Jan 30, 2012 7:59 PM, "Gmail" <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
How do you guys start your loop sessions? Where do you get your musical ideas? I often have tons of trouble thinking of any kind of melody or chord progression before actually playing, especially when performing. Its like a consistent mind block that occurs every time. Any tips? BTW I loop on a keyboard connected to my laptop.
Sent from my iPod
--Apple-Mail-3EE5CF54-7BE1-4F18-AF1C-739BB6F92276-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 05:41:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DD871834AD; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 05:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:41:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: IPAD app for lyrics on stage In-Reply-To: References: <0D8B4F12A7BF499CBF1DC8CE13107745@your0548c161e1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120131054138.37389D3E7B@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 05:41:41 +0000 (UTC) I checked with my friend Debbie about she is using, first of it isn't an ipad but this info may still be interesting to those who don't have an ipad. She's using a program called mobile sheets and it runs onjust about any android tablet but it does require at least android 2.2 software. It has a pretty extensive set of features and the developer responds quite quickly to questions and changes. Debbie is using it on a Kindle I believe. I can verify that with her tomorrow if anyone is interested. oh, and it will use a blue tooth page turner. You can check it out at http://www.zubersoft.com/mobilesheets/ Paul Ontario Canada www.dulcify.ca At 11:20 AM 1/30/2012, you wrote: >Plug in the Lyrix Looper - issue solved! > >Per ;-) > > > >On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > > I have recently started grabbing lyrics off the Internet in a pinch, using > > my Blackberry. > > I then loop so I can have my hands free to scroll down--tiny > screen you know > > . . . > > > > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com] > > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 3:45 AM > > To: Loopers Delight > > Subject: IPAD app for lyrics on stage > > > > Hi gang, > > is there an effective app for the iPad to read lyrics on stage and > > change them with a foot controller as you need them? > > I've been checking out some of them,i still don't have the iPad but > > will eventually get one and i can see the potential of something like > > this as i get hired to sing with not enough time to learn lyrics > > repertories by different band projects. > > thanx > > cheers > > Luis > > -- > > www.luis-angulo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 08:53:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB8F31834B2; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vyMZClc/PXoLmvyiiCNL9tIUasfmCjUmpFJV0F1UgYc=; b=FqfIzDg/Z1YdhVYk7ZO0w0ot+dDIu8Nxebuq6tj70p/KQhz8ISFPcdYK4GTwhD0OAu VyfsGMj889QzkVFidjg1KMD3nSL9+Kkt1uGyUMmF0u8CywBcffaRyeUcQaSREYa6mIMe v7PiytfG4wlJEHGwHCb+ULCHVL2uAGc5iYYw8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:53:45 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Matt's Radio Show - CT Collective NEXT week From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5LvcQC.A.Gw.Zw6JPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, My radio show on KUSF in Exile is going well. My official time slot is Tuesday nights from midnight to 1am pacific time (actually Wednesday mornings). The official name of the show is "Matt's Unusual and Eclectic World of Wonder". I usually play a combination of acoustic and electronic experimental music, unusual pop/hip-hop, and some international music. Tomorrow night's episode will start with some African horn music, then transition into some drones followed by the Bulgarian Women's Choir, then some electronic pop and creative variants of electronic dance music. Next week (on the evening of 2/7), I'll have a feature on the CT-Collective. The links: Listen live: www.savekusf.org Streaming/Downloadable Archives: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 08:57:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02A631834B1; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ipX+YuhoEdJ45L0VxpgAbmk4ZPTTqFOHDXmP0wzg4JQ=; b=kXNecvmajIcAO9/t/Zgk7/Bky8fZG4tkFwPl8bUHI/ekWYUvQrYnFZ/z531q2lX3Im hQZibT35RTLkArwHcs/8spyWpuK5WOFbS2NpBI4bmhH54F7L/vXv8Qv4uiYLBbU/wmPq b6h45VxePHxrsnRo0iFWepFJqdpC0gu5WTqf0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:57:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:57:19 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Gmail wrote: > Lol that scares me. I won't know the progression if I do it that way :/ > or do chord progressions even matter? I think everything matters. You just shouldn't rely on it, just make sure you know about it. If you don't instantly hear one played single note as the beginning of a melody or chord in a particular key and maybe also some beginning to a "story" in an alternate key/tempo, if you don't hear sound that way you must develop that ability. The way to learn it is to listen and if that doesn't work right away just listen more closely. A big mistake would be trying to play something that "seems to fit in" because that will only build you a prison of musical prejudices that will become hard to break free from. Just listen assured there is always, always something to hear behind any sound. A good way to relate to music is the questions-and-answers approach. Music can be like a discussion, one person says something and the other person answers and says something else that kind of relates. And so the chat develops naturally. This approach does also work for a solo performing musician, you just keep that same attitude towards your own playing. Play a phrase, shut up for a second to let it work and follow up with something related. Alternate between "question" and "answer" rather than playing one long line of notes. The beauty in this method is that it works so well because we sometimes make mistakes and the mistakes then will become the seed for evolution. When a mistake happens don't correct it, just listen to it as "a question" and try to "answer" in a civilized way. This will keep the flow exciting. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 09:13:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8771B1834BA; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qFBGUi38goAt+6qMV6f+Kn7+d9cRxM/anLX3/ibFCbw=; b=QxmFczGnXREqutZUo6A77/Kp2FGGOpXloK/bgY69W+lirs5vU7LaOSpRlTgjjVhaad VHXS9bnr1UsAp+6PQm5heye5zC8OWlmD6ArSXoJ8vssvrDfKmBxU9QTGiCLSTH4f4vK7 4p/JGHVazcz1Ddd89IZLK68qgW998ZO3qS8So= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:13:43 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:13:44 +0000 (UTC) i would add that coming up with new sounds is a great way to find inspiration also, listen to other loopers...you'll find that many don't rely on chord progressions...in fact i would say that chord progressions can become a bit of a prison and lock you in to a way of playing. unless you're really good at evolving your pieces. someone posted a youtube clip of a chap looping with a keybaord into ableton live the other day, which i thought was quite impressive...might be worth checking out. the problem is, that as soon as the listener hears a chord sequence, it sets up certain expectations about how that's going to change. we're very used to hearing chord sequences in "song form", where a verse turns into a chorus (with a different sequence and melody) and there may be a bridge etc etc. the same is true of soloing over chord sequences...it sets up expectations about what might happen next. if that doesn't happen, then it can lead to a sense of disappointment. if you think about modern dance music, much of it doesn't rely on chord changes....it's all on one chord...so we accept that and concentrate on other elements in the music and these can be changed and evolved over time. you could try starting with the drums. get a really good groove going...lay down some phat bass and take it from there... sim On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Gmail wrote: >> Lol that scares me. I won't know the progression if I do it that way :/ >> or do chord progressions even matter? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 09:47:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80D861834B5; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=937YoTCstu8dU4OSe3CQzJnUQ8SIMC4G0Li8pX6X/pk=; b=deX/mB0k2LTVGUQC0agWPXvYYoIf0+S9HSQP5LeM1ToVIj0vBX47jBTcVjCvfQwM76 93GNCj3tNgS+cLzQFw97z9mhzyKQ72kzeifkUQmgS0Ey3eH1ceXHxxPVJu3nE0Uw/JXw gFeCGnXwheKzX2z9YZNzqwYbK4tNBq4IkXb8w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:47:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <_UWbLD.A.CnB.oi7JPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Just a short note on "chord changes": I agree with Sim that if you record a sequence of chord changes as a long loop, then it may become problematic to break free from it. But chord changes can really be used creatively in live looping if you rather use the looper as the instrument to create the chord changes! With a looper that does rate shifting you can simply record one chord and then "play the loop" by a foot pedal to change the pitch of that loop as you please, while playing over it. With that looping technique you can improvise both melody and chord progression simultaneously. Here's an educational audio clip where I'm doing exactly that. Only using a saxophone and the looper: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Nostril_Waltz_excerpt.mp3 Per On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > i would add that coming up with new sounds is a great way to find inspiration > > also, listen to other loopers...you'll find that many don't rely on > chord progressions...in fact i would say that chord progressions can > become a bit of a prison and lock you in to a way of playing. unless > you're really good at evolving your pieces. someone posted a youtube > clip of a chap looping with a keybaord into ableton live the other > day, which i thought was quite impressive...might be worth checking > out. the problem is, that as soon as the listener hears a chord > sequence, it sets up certain expectations about how that's going to > change. we're very used to hearing chord sequences in "song form", > where a verse turns into a chorus (with a different sequence and > melody) and there may be a bridge etc etc. the same is true of soloing > over chord sequences...it sets up expectations about what might happen > next. if that doesn't happen, then it can lead to a sense of > disappointment. if you think about modern dance music, much of it > doesn't rely on chord changes....it's all on one chord...so we accept > that and concentrate on other elements in the music and these can be > changed and evolved over time. > you could try starting with the drums. get a really good groove > going...lay down some phat bass and take it from there... > > sim > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Gmail wrote: >>> Lol that scares me. I won't know the progression if I do it that way :/ >>> or do chord progressions even matter? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 10:02:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B54151834B6; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tZ7fCvO8vlv03eRLxLMeFvWUcRyADiYh93AoVl4Fba4=; b=eR+6p17NkDyfPVrH58gMFag+oHztlJIA45pfx+Y/UuiS0egxGegLfoU7CsEnyRqrpI oAqEIKDNmQurL9sftIE5P3A5Vi2bzKdks6KKykG7A3p0tiFnq1EhIx9SUJ322onRos1I 09sb1lwU/HIOLUtxoVF2LsdVoYVPgb2E0xOm8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:02:33 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: New Loops - Performance Tests From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Currently wrapping up research. Thought I'd share this demo video. Improvisations feature in the latter half of the video. Longer loops take centre stage. Granular material is spatialised around the speaker array. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YBLM2Ja6Uo Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 10:40:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E47001834AF; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nVMuNb5aZ8Ca6S8+ktj13R6vbCvsFhzahCpfOkpiooE=; b=DtYwZOlVmJ1LlgqE5eHU8Elp4DFBwzeMCwVocorUjUHiSOX7oEAhQ6CowT1PXa4QDh u96kIs0xbaMganh5W3yzsCd1ZxPffBo2NZqBle0a4VFAbP0dyxT/mz1eeY2pX8VefdmL aouraB7JLV++ObZXMbOJNbSOiG3G0OgaAtpck= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:40:45 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Loops - Performance Tests From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:40:46 +0000 (UTC) i can't say i understand a fraction of what's going on, but it sounds terrific and probably amazing in the venue itself. i'm wondering if you have any plans to make the results of your research available, in methodologies, or perhaps even in the form of max for live effects / plugins that others can use to take advantage of this spatialisation approach. does your system require surround sound, or can it be realised in conventional stereo? On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Currently wrapping up research. Thought I'd share this demo video. > Improvisations feature in the latter half of the video. Longer loops > take centre stage. Granular material is spatialised around the speaker > array. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YBLM2Ja6Uo > > Ricky > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 10:53:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A2051834B8; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=akojOnQhx6cRGuSrOb6Ps5TPBL7P8pOUD3ZymB1bCFg=; b=VEFeTMOQJNJUFpXPs1lzRGI0F0zfCnarbVxpluSSlQFNH5sUNDHGhIZdPdiXcKsihQ fHRx9IyBFNqUGX3jOPpkngaxtRf/K1sq32ZgI4DWngviT8Hn6JKtVTJ7dQOUpyFiUAqe ufUb6vJDxuO7jnaMEERGX9lJOkhx7hNloc10A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:53:43 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Loops - Performance Tests From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi Simeon, Yes and yes. I'm releasing the performance system shortly via my website (i have to submit it for assessment shortly, so I will make it available concurrently). It is all built in Pd. The system has the ability to decode to stereo, quad and octagonal speaker arrays. As for methods, I'll made my thesis available once it is signed off (sometime in April, I hope). For now, these videos explain everything: Basic Control: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFyO1xa4l14 Cognitive Model: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3W2G_QTsiw Thanks for the comments and for taking the time, Ricky On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > i can't say i understand a fraction of what's going on, but it sounds > terrific and probably amazing in the venue itself. i'm wondering if > you have any plans to make the results of your research available, in > methodologies, or perhaps even in the form of max for live effects / > plugins that others can use to take advantage of this spatialisation > approach. does your system require surround sound, or can it be > realised in conventional stereo? > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> Currently wrapping up research. Thought I'd share this demo video. >> Improvisations feature in the latter half of the video. Longer loops >> take centre stage. Granular material is spatialised around the speaker >> array. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YBLM2Ja6Uo >> >> Ricky >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 10:57:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB4DB1834C0; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3cEXICcLz0D5r5O1uqdHqlkiEiIshAEXE1pDToRcmpQ=; b=N15ep6WwqKGf48UwyTZ5QEFaidygiJFm65R8Cac82rLgOLRjvm9XLV95eCtLbtfmvP ILGYQINmzxxbu/FpsfCE2/9n5H0jN/nNMn4L6D0uksVkQJ/lZNnHPie5tLnozCEtCkyK v4tvoE6bcTw9dt7W/Ir065Cmrtzi3qRSwl6Vs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:57:32 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Alternative approaches to arrangement/composition? From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Changing the tonal percepts of melodies through chord scales is a lot of fun. Look into common tones if you are looking to re-contextualise tonal music. A good start is taking (or looping) a lovely minor melody/scalar structure (say, the dorian mode - II mode of the major scale) and performing different chord structures underneath which possess common tones and desirable harmonisations to change the predominant interval. Then try tritone substitutions to makes everything over your II-V sound chromatic. Try building textures based on unrelated chords, and manipulating various stages of each note-event (attack, decay, termination). My three cent(ences) On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Marcus Kirby wrote: > I generally loop guitar, get the skeleton of the drums/bass, then > arrange via adding/subtracting. > > Does anyone have any different philosophies/methods that they use for > arranging and composing? Borrowing techniques from different fields, > maybe something like compositions based on "game of life" or art, or > whatever. > > Sorry for being vague, but I don't even know what exists. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 14:21:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0955E1834C3; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4F038622-374D-42A7-B604-2D1D47B857A7@aol.com> From: openjam@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT -if you release a digital album and no one hears it does it make a sound? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:20:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1328019655; bh=0tgQZW2QHpfGiVuW4W/MNyA+8bfQW+ZtwXOpUrUO26M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=mzWDMewJL7aDYcKaV4ygyg5y/zs9E+L5PdbJFrVJ/a7Vpak0gL/eXmwXI9fIwnGki SU1YPnzvxE6tSuO7L2zt1mE+QVT454fBICgfkIhqajm6YlRn/qirncgJlEIz0pBrtg mOzKRY6AekQkjhof+mfWT5D3AMYr/vYZLkrIYezM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:380140224:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33864f27f8c77208 X-AOL-IP: 174.101.236.151 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:21:07 +0000 (UTC) My goal is to offer digital distribution (sales) of my music - what is the best way? Can anyone share a some tips or experience regarding digital distribution or online sales? I'm considering adding an album via CDBaby for $40 which grants me access in Itunes, Amazon etc. On the surface this sounds like a great opportunity. But just because it's on Itunes doesn't mean it will be seen yet alone sell, it will just be available thanks to technology. I realize sweat equity and self promotion are highly involved. Is getting to Itunes via CDbaby the right way to go? tq From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 15:37:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3599C1834BD; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2802 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:37:39 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4F038622-374D-42A7-B604-2D1D47B857A7@aol.com> References: <4F038622-374D-42A7-B604-2D1D47B857A7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B54AAAA-1497-431A-9D01-63E521389D76@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: OT -if you release a digital album and no one hears it does it make a sound? (CD Baby) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:50:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Filter-ID: XtLePq6GTMn8G68F0EmQvZAoeiKFUbZb2IaCA0xwNX1REyH/i/3WCBJwbJ11WnpNGUm2aKjP8j+R LeAsKxYjZf/JO6T6qKb8iHx3L9OWosg2aqIJuv99rCo8shxCCl/7ZghJEzyde1ZkcsCUaqtZ6m71 7olIv0ebfopGkXcsPwABA7J4asq+O+JbDswDiBetl0zCT29SxFCOZ6OncrvZVMoRCHWk1Bdz6Hse hols1KphMX+Xsg8Q1RBEk6+KKVHxca8fpxazWNCYBpzuPTThLxxwEiTVJqDh0qKoKsXx5lkU67Jr Yz8BvSh9E1z5uSsPQ8+y7OGpk0vSLkuV1AjtzNnimjewm4L9xhSY2cNyu5LYO1/2u2DGvNAXNcf/ R69XZcw64GWuH4bPvrMoGVnThp1J2bPEKWtioStEQwEQoN/rT/eUKzRdNendJRlYhLdJ7uSWpZBG xvcsnjea6pxaF3lZf4VXxgrXCHsk7sBwEX0WF7kr7dRSPduDhbzgMVCRfQ02tMJlC50MrSvQmrOa VNMY5BXCcUK0qF9aaUkcZS4Q82r8zvgqj/Ik9dL3dSI4IHnrluZ85vPJ8mjjufNuYQ== X-Originating-IP: 69.167.158.49 Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=test4321 X-Recommended-Action: accept Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:37:40 +0000 (UTC) I've been signed up with CD Baby for mnay years now and the service is great and they are truly dedicated to trying to help indy musicians of all kinds as much possible and I've never, ever had even one problem w/ CDB if any kind. Also, the DD sales of my 2 Elemental CDs and my Skult CD (as a DD only so far) far outpaced the sales of the physical products long ago which is just fine by me, although I am also OK w/ any physical products sales as well, of course. CDB also ALWAYS PAYS ON TIME and you can set up just about any time payments arrangement etc that you want to. And, the initial sign up fee goes towards CDB building a page for your album which is a bargain when you consider how much web designers etc charge for pretty much the same thing, along with all of the other services and help that CDB provides. Also, I would estimate that about 99% of those who work at CD Baby ARE MUSICIANS themselves and not some music "industry" corporate hacks. I've been to the CDB location here in Portlandia many times and it is about as far from being some soul less music "industry" operation as it gets, but is still run VERY professionally. A great "balance". CDB also does a lot more to help as well, such as sending out helpful E-newsletters with all kinds of tips and useful info for the indy musician, which I would dare to estimate makes up a large portion of those in the LD community. :-) Disclaimer Dept.- I do not work at or for CDB and do not personally know anyone who does. I just think it is one of the better music biz entities around, if not the best, for indy musicians. Definitely REVcommended. :-) Cheers- Rev. Fever Portandia,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:20 AM, openjam@aol.com wrote: > My goal is to offer digital distribution (sales) of my music - what > is the best way? > > Can anyone share a some tips or experience regarding digital > distribution or online sales? > > I'm considering adding an album via CDBaby for $40 which grants me > access in Itunes, Amazon etc. On the surface this sounds like a > great opportunity. But just because it's on Itunes doesn't mean it > will be seen yet alone sell, it will just be available thanks to > technology. I realize sweat equity and self promotion are highly > involved. > > Is getting to Itunes via CDbaby the right way to go? > > tq > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 16:02:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 619BB1834C1; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-31_06:2012-01-31,2012-01-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201310100 Subject: Re: IPAD app for lyrics on stage From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:01:37 -0500 Message-id: <05529565-B334-4C12-9CFC-0DF0A65B6DDC@mac.com> References: <3A755CBA-8EAF-4B38-BA35-534955CB259F@mac.com> <656ECF41-3A95-4194-93C2-FAAA85DB04FA@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:02:06 +0000 (UTC) on that one, I don't like that the screw for the clamp is under the arm. I had one like that and it is incredibly inconvenient but it does look sturdy... I just like the flex arm solution from gig easy better.... flexy is easier to deal with that screwing and unscrewing all those parts Teddy On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > this looks good as well > http://www.thomann.de/gb/km_19722_ipadhalterung.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 16:46:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7B991834BC; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FzgtKcYFZJSSpb9Jo9+qh2Mb+aPS8FkO1GWZXFoSl94=; b=vCrzIDxqbmTje2Epm/RWKPv0PkyFv+BRmDQbVNa813dcbA+H6iFO2ioIJLg74j8DLY 1d/Zj8qeIDl+f0XDEFkB99lyoqb9+ADYQ74ndFAGaHe3s+HO1oEeqRUuWW9lRRMlUxYG AtqvyavlR2U0GClOgD+Fy08NplfaivOx3pVAI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: chrisdetmer@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <6B54AAAA-1497-431A-9D01-63E521389D76@ubergadget.com> References: <4F038622-374D-42A7-B604-2D1D47B857A7@aol.com> <6B54AAAA-1497-431A-9D01-63E521389D76@ubergadget.com> From: James Collin Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:45:43 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JWG9wXnj7KxG1pw9Az_CPLTCJcw Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT -if you release a digital album and no one hears it does it make a sound? (CD Baby) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:46:03 +0000 (UTC) CDBaby is very helpful, and probably one of the better ways to handle digital distribution. They are very supportive of independent artists. They also have a great partnership with Disc Makers and make it incredibly easy to design and order CDs, DVDs, stickers, etc. In terms of value, CDBaby is hard to beat. Tunecore.com is another way to go. CDBaby is a bit more proactive in communicating with their customers, but both services distribute to a nearly identical list of stores and streaming services. Tunecore doesn't do physical distribution, but they track all earnings from streaming services and give you a very detailed breakdown of all sales. I also recommend BandCamp.com. They don't distribute to other stores, but it's great service, and they let you completely design and brand your page and even use a custom domain. You'll have to do more leg work in promoting your music, but you have more control and can easily choose whichever price you like (even free). Plus their embed widgets are clean and fast and their Facebook integration is nice. Now for iTunes. Everybody wants to be in iTunes because it adds a sense of=A0legitimacy=A0to your music. Your mileage may vary. It can be hard to make headway if you don't have a big label or other source of endless promotion and funding. But, if you ONLY distribute to iTunes and concentrate all your effort there, you could fair much better. I took the approach of getting my music into every online outlet I could. Any place that lets me list and sell my tracks, I signed up. In hindsight, I probably should dial it back a little. It may be better to focus your effort on just a few sites, so you get better return on your promotional efforts. Just my 2 cents, - James CDBaby - http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/jamescollin Tunecore - http://www.tunecore.com/music/jamescollin BandCamp -=A0http://store.jamescollin.com Everything else - http://jamescollin.com/music On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Revfever wrote: > > I've been signed up with CD Baby for mnay years now and the service is gr= eat and they are truly > dedicated to trying to help indy musicians of all kinds as much possible = and I've never, > ever had even one problem w/ CDB if any kind. > > > Cheers- > Rev. Fever > Portandia,OR > > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > > On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:20 AM, openjam@aol.com wrote: > >> My goal is to offer digital distribution (sales) of my music - what is t= he best way? >> >> Can anyone share a some tips or experience regarding digital distributio= n or online sales? >> >> Is getting to Itunes via =A0CDbaby the right way to go? >> >> tq From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 17:56:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 385E81834C4; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cPzlcv54/5NfvgXLZsTuOF2WvEnqJHVpyR+ri47V4FQ=; b=Ax3R+6EY3WkVXydbF7RTlLjvgLTGKgFFQnRn0jwK+Zs7s7GlWzmApjsvE7fWxsaW+a xkgZcgNhdQvsO9W1f5Ug7Jt/P+yFz7/hdSuFdWUf6fXIvGJnZ3+BXsNQ5htTo31RbKww JpTkiw4m/wFd9nQqlo72lNKo2JHIhGWA5oWEU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6B54AAAA-1497-431A-9D01-63E521389D76@ubergadget.com> References: <4F038622-374D-42A7-B604-2D1D47B857A7@aol.com> <6B54AAAA-1497-431A-9D01-63E521389D76@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:56:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT -if you release a digital album and no one hears it does it make a sound? (CD Baby) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I think CD Baby is a good way to reach digital online distribution for your music. At 10 percent they are the cheapest "iTunes aggregator". For selling directly to listeners Bandcamp is a good choice, so these two is a good combination. At Bandcamp people can buy your music in many files formats - even FLAC superior to CD fidelity audio, if you care to provide that. Physical CDs, T-shirts etc can also be sold via Bandcamp, but for every physical order you have to make a package and mail it away. Money goes from customer's credit card into your PayPal and Bandcamp keeps 15 percent. Bancamp is also good for sending free digital download albums with PDF work to reviewers via email. Neither CD Baby nor Bandcamp makes your music sell more. If it doesn't sell now it won't sell just because it is made available. The classic truth for selling recordings of music is that 90 percent of the work has to be put in at the promotion and administration level. The final 10 percent you can spend composing, recording and gigging. Among amateurs it is popular to skip over the 90 percent that can make your music sell, you can do so in order to gain more hands-on music time but it's good to understand that such a decision is counter-productive from a business aspect. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:20 AM, openjam@aol.com wrote: > >> My goal is to offer digital distribution (sales) of my music - what is t= he >> best way? >> >> Can anyone share a some tips or experience regarding digital distributio= n >> or online sales? >> >> I'm considering adding an album via CDBaby for $40 which grants me acces= s >> in Itunes, Amazon etc. On the surface this sounds like a great opportuni= ty. >> But just because it's on Itunes doesn't mean it will be seen yet alone s= ell, >> it will just be available thanks to technology. =C2=A0I realize sweat eq= uity and >> self promotion are highly involved. >> >> Is getting to Itunes via =C2=A0CDbaby the right way to go? >> >> tq >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 18:32:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 838B71834C9; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=turWUECjJpL3XJ7O8k/wGO8EoklT9Ja68pojgRXqxjM=; b=dDbgnhXA115xJpGjUf/+HqnHr1HVVgnhhkXu7+/n+p/Rw1C0QPYryeZW/3ov7v4NDr bw9hcwc/DWQ1hszKyUTBYapOQurqLDKDN8B6V3kamP0q68pfn4hrKzNcq0Z7hf1JQEoD IwEdhjaqDFIYC9J0mO25GKNREjFCwAQGnGAtU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:32:26 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c80704bfd4d04b7d72fc8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:32:27 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c80704bfd4d04b7d72fc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice playing Per that was awesome On Jan 31, 2012 1:47 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Just a short note on "chord changes": > > I agree with Sim that if you record a sequence of chord changes as a > long loop, then it may become problematic to break free from it. But > chord changes can really be used creatively in live looping if you > rather use the looper as the instrument to create the chord changes! > With a looper that does rate shifting you can simply record one chord > and then "play the loop" by a foot pedal to change the pitch of that > loop as you please, while playing over it. With that looping technique > you can improvise both melody and chord progression simultaneously. > Here's an educational audio clip where I'm doing exactly that. Only > using a saxophone and the looper: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/Nostril_Waltz_excerpt.mp3 > > Per > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Simeon Harris > wrote: > > i would add that coming up with new sounds is a great way to find > inspiration > > > > also, listen to other loopers...you'll find that many don't rely on > > chord progressions...in fact i would say that chord progressions can > > become a bit of a prison and lock you in to a way of playing. unless > > you're really good at evolving your pieces. someone posted a youtube > > clip of a chap looping with a keybaord into ableton live the other > > day, which i thought was quite impressive...might be worth checking > > out. the problem is, that as soon as the listener hears a chord > > sequence, it sets up certain expectations about how that's going to > > change. we're very used to hearing chord sequences in "song form", > > where a verse turns into a chorus (with a different sequence and > > melody) and there may be a bridge etc etc. the same is true of soloing > > over chord sequences...it sets up expectations about what might happen > > next. if that doesn't happen, then it can lead to a sense of > > disappointment. if you think about modern dance music, much of it > > doesn't rely on chord changes....it's all on one chord...so we accept > > that and concentrate on other elements in the music and these can be > > changed and evolved over time. > > you could try starting with the drums. get a really good groove > > going...lay down some phat bass and take it from there... > > > > sim > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Gmail wrote: > >>> Lol that scares me. I won't know the progression if I do it that way :/ > >>> or do chord progressions even matter? > >> > > > > --f46d043c80704bfd4d04b7d72fc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice playing Per that was awesome

On Jan 31, 2012 1:47 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Just a short note on "chord changes":

I agree with Sim that if you record a sequence of chord changes as a
long loop, then it may become problematic to break free from it. But
chord changes can really be used creatively in live looping if you
rather use the looper as the instrument to create the chord changes!
With a looper that does rate shifting you can simply record one chord
and then "play the loop" by a foot pedal to change the pitch of t= hat
loop as you please, while playing over it. With that looping technique
you can improvise both melody and chord progression simultaneously.
Here's an educational audio clip where I'm doing exactly that. Only=
using a saxophone and the looper:
http://www.looproom.com/audio/Nostril_Waltz_excerpt.mp3

Per


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlem= ail.com> wrote:
> i would add that coming up with new sounds is a great way to find insp= iration
>
> also, listen to other loopers...you'll find that many don't re= ly on
> chord progressions...in fact i would say that chord progressions can > become a bit of a prison and lock you in to a way of playing. unless > you're really good at evolving your pieces. someone posted a youtu= be
> clip of a chap looping with a keybaord into ableton live the other
> day, which i thought was quite impressive...might be worth checking > out. the problem is, that as soon as the listener hears a chord
> sequence, it sets up certain expectations about how that's going t= o
> change. we're very used to hearing chord sequences in "song f= orm",
> where a verse turns into a chorus (with a different sequence and
> melody) and there may be a bridge etc etc. the same is true of soloing=
> over chord sequences...it sets up expectations about what might happen=
> next. if that doesn't happen, then it can lead to a sense of
> disappointment. if you think about modern dance music, much of it
> doesn't rely on chord changes....it's all on one chord...so we= accept
> that and concentrate on other elements in the music and these can be > changed and evolved over time.
> you could try starting with the drums. get a really good groove
> going...lay down some phat bass and take it from there...
>
> sim
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Lol that scares me. I won't know the progression if I do i= t that way :/
>>> or do chord progressions even matter?
>>
>

--f46d043c80704bfd4d04b7d72fc8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 19:30:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C31971834CD; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pm65rSDzuy0zTWdpcaAIT0GULrRvXkXcIFM643tfLec=; b=LYQN4O2psDgEizuP8Ed6ozrOr7Axxu7z6nIXwJ7EZec+IRQ7UWbEr0vxFesbFQ0gKY tgTyxWDfyiTa5EJJsyFtXJHh4ThJTg+Pph9AM9a93qmW9HVRstOnvgASdlHPY+YKG54W tXcX/9qGFhnekPGj4MOUnh94Z3iE7AeToct5E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:30:36 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:30:37 +0000 (UTC) So, are you an improviser? I usually start by creating an "environment" that will hopefully then inspire me to create a melody. An environment can be a drone, or a rhythm, or just a series of seemingly random sounds that becomes a pattern when looped. I'm a big phony though - I find a note that works well with that environment, then a second note, then a third note, and by the time that loops around, it's usually the framework of a melody. The other thing is to consider the environment you're in. What's the vibe - are people excited? Relaxed? Is it raining outside? Muggy? Cold? What sorts of sounds do you want to present people with on that particular night? Do you want to relax them or shake them up a little? If I'm not on first, I'll often finding myself modifying my plans based on what went on before me - whether I want to complement or contrast with that. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt Gmail went: > How do you guys start your loop sessions? Where do you get your musical i= deas? I often have tons of trouble thinking of any kind of melody or chord = progression before actually playing, especially when performing. Its like a= consistent mind block that occurs every time. Any tips? BTW I loop on a ke= yboard connected to my laptop. > Sent from my iPod From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 19:59:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6FED1834CC; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GBvdJ8uJaKgADZjsJB5wL1okilm5Xgv09JA8yEEOFxQ=; b=DdpAQEgC6EtMJrxd3H6VMUvxXWkSmJgbOizRG0coX8w4mnKr7p59eq/NnUrG4ifM9p Iv3u1h6W1R+oah5kB9E4h0K1k6nYzcuj89yjATiv18U+3vyoFBdZeaXKBN2Y9HU3RP4L jipaemSFRcc4Z0aFhiAFbUr/7uq/K1kGHhC/g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:59:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: georg hartmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d02e8d60b2704b7d86642 Resent-Message-ID: <2nzkhD.A.x5.lgEKPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:59:33 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307d02e8d60b2704b7d86642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Per, little Question: which setup do you use for this looping?? I play saxophone too and I have (as a beginner) the same problems with chords (due to my classical music education?) and I want to try this setup, changing the pitch of the looped chord. Thanks in advance from Germany, Georg --20cf307d02e8d60b2704b7d86642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Per,
little Question: which setup do you use for t= his looping?? =A0I play saxophone too and I have (as a beginner) the same p= roblems with chords (due to my classical music education?) and I want to tr= y this setup, changing the pitch of the looped chord.

Thanks in advance from Germany,
Georg


--20cf307d02e8d60b2704b7d86642-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 20:11:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 183791834CF; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CSDcPN7VcsOz1Qdz+mXgo14nd1mCprj09sYeM/H8Slk=; b=CyXa5R33mCHvBV59XA/ko2enTCVUQWaC/Y8i2dtBxqxPUHM7s5eve2J+V1icm2Hrga 6uBc75THN7KPsGlRkJgmO+cmu3y2QDaHDnOHBBBewFqyzaUQ9g9pUMQsIaZUuxnlwJWC ICtPt2OGE3gDtl+6mkL2tDeYphTa6YrkX/Bfo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F038622-374D-42A7-B604-2D1D47B857A7@aol.com> <6B54AAAA-1497-431A-9D01-63E521389D76@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:11:40 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT -if you release a digital album and no one hears it does it make a sound? (CD Baby) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:11:40 +0000 (UTC) I think CD Baby is a little dangerous for musicians trying to get online. Not because they're doing anything wrong, but for 3 reasons: 1) It lets you publish music online without a quality control process. 2) Once that's done, musicians tend to think "There, now that's done!" and expect the listeners and fame to result. 3) Audiences, reviewers and radio stations will frequently pigeonhole you based on the first thing they hear from you. Even though it's not good for the environment, I still believe that people should think about putting out albums on CD. It's expensive, but hopefully it gets you to thinking, "If I'm going to spend $1000 to put this out - I'm going to make it the best statement I can make". That's not to shoot down bandcamp pages - since bandcamp doesn't go to itunes and the whole web, it's a great way to distribute music globally while on a local mindset. For that reason I think bandcamp is excellent. Putting something out on a record label puts you in a community of musicians. That helps because people who like the record label will often check out more artists on the same label. Also, many (but not all) record labels will be the first chance to have an honest critic listen to your music. As musicians, we get used to listening to our music a certain way - we may be more forgiving of a certain track or mix because we've trained ourselves to listen "around" the flaws. A new ear won't have the same experience. It's not a matter of making your music conform - it's a matter of presenting you at your very best. It's way better to release a 40 minute cd of all excellent music than it is to release a 60 minute cd in which 40 minutes is excellent. In the Bay Area, there's a number of small record labels. The one I'm on makes me pay for the CDs, but they take care of all the mailing and promotion, and I get the lion's share of any income. If you want to go this route, check in with bands around you who are at your career level. Some may have hooked up with these small record labels. Without a record label, the best thing I can think of to do is to make efforts to tie your music to that of live musicians. Do live shows with bands like yours, make a podcast, etc. Send your CD to reviewers who listen to music of folks at your career level. (Find out who they are by googling for reviews of bands you identify with who are also amateurs.) A note - many reviewers won't review web-only releases because 1) there are so many of them and 2) They tend to not have the same quality control of CD releases. Honestly, I don't know what one does these days to get known. Those are just a couple stabs in the dark. When I think of myself as a target audience member, I'm probably typical in that I'm very unforgiving of non-excellent music. I have only so much time to look for new music, and many many artists who have music. If I don't latch on to something within a few 30 second samples, I'm probably not going to hear that artist again unless someone whose opinion I trust tells me I should give them a second chance. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt Per Boysen was like: > > Neither CD Baby nor Bandcamp makes your music sell more. If it doesn't > sell now it won't sell just because it is made available. The classic > truth for selling recordings of music is that 90 percent of the work > has to be put in at the promotion and administration level. The final > 10 percent you can spend composing, recording and gigging. Among > amateurs it is popular to skip over the 90 percent that can make your > music sell, you can do so in order to gain more hands-on music time > but it's good to understand that such a decision is counter-productive > from a business aspect. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > >> On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:20 AM, openjam@aol.com wrote: >> >>> My goal is to offer digital distribution (sales) of my music - what is = the >>> best way? >>> >>> Can anyone share a some tips or experience regarding digital distributi= on >>> or online sales? >>> >>> I'm considering adding an album via CDBaby for $40 which grants me acce= ss >>> in Itunes, Amazon etc. On the surface this sounds like a great opportun= ity. >>> But just because it's on Itunes doesn't mean it will be seen yet alone = sell, >>> it will just be available thanks to technology. =A0I realize sweat equi= ty and >>> self promotion are highly involved. >>> >>> Is getting to Itunes via =A0CDbaby the right way to go? >>> >>> tq >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 20:21:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14F3C1834D0; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F284D4F.9080302@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:21:35 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gmail CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:21:44 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Gmail wrote: > How do you guys start your loop sessions? Where do you get your musical ideas? I often have tons of trouble thinking of any kind of melody or chord progression before actually playing, especially when performing. Its like a consistent mind block that occurs every time. Any tips? BTW I loop on a keyboard connected to my laptop. I've gotten into starting 'performances' coming from different places and rotating these approaches to try and get diversity. I usually arrange my set list according to timbres of instruments. from there I have the ability to start with 1) an ostinato rhythm either on percussion, bass or other melodic instrument. or 2) a chord progression or 3) an ambiance (pad) that is not rhythmically oriented Additionally, if I'm having problems on the day of a gig, I"ll write out a set list with starting point notes. ******** When you practise, try playing percussion first.........then do a track starting from a bass line.... ...then do a track starting from a chordal instrument (once with a single line ostinato, another time with a progression). A good thing to remember is to make really, really simple loops. This will give you a lot of space to work with as you 'populate' your piece. I tell my beginning looping students to set an alarm clock for 5 minutes and force yourself to play for one solid half hour, making sure that each piece begins and ends in exactly 5 minutes. This means you are forcing yourself to play 6, 5 minute pieces in 30 minutes. Try that a few days in a row and watch what happens to your creativity. Good luck. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 22:56:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5201E183464; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fXXTMQqyaju+ZqzmeWLSZDwCA7wYv+6IwpR9dGaEyZo=; b=Xb+nspkbf9NFtLvUhQl5TAbaria7NTdNsBc5iyKg3AuEGC/qlJ/46jw+YiDDZWCT/S YQZPO76c79gwK8GFZlyRftN3wKrrKwxghR7dTuSDZ81Xf9OlVPB8q9lV7U93lu1hMbii BCUG/p0DgjrfJT+3jNc/fnO2xtwEdTdvtwceg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49AEA2CE-854F-4157-864E-FD73EB5D3FF8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:55:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Spawning musical ideas? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:56:00 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:59 PM, georg hartmann wrote: > Hello Per, > little Question: which setup do you use for this looping?? Hi George, The looper in use is Mobius software looper running on a 1 gHz Windows XP laptop. The MIDI pedalboard for controlling the looper was a Behringer FCB1010 (at the time I recorded this). On the pedal I use one bank of ten switches for direct rate shifting of the loop; so I have ten optional pitch transpose ranges that I find useful. Rate shifting a loop also changes the length of the loop, the higher the pitch the faster it loops. You can hear that in the clip I posted because just before I started improvise that chord sequence + melody I had created a kind of tremolo effect by pumping the looper feedback pedal. I regarded that as a mistake when I did it but now, for educational purposes, its' actually good that you hear by the tremolo when the loop speeds up vs slows down according to the rate shifting. When doing this parallel transposing of a looped chord the melodies and scales that works well depends on whether it is a major or minor chord being transposed. I find that very interesting and helpful when looking for other melody lines than the usual. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

I really like that Madonna link.. for me it seems like Madonna is an ex= pert at finding the right =3Binspiration=2C taking=2C slightly changing= it and making something bigger from it. =3B
Is that not what we al= l do?? we hear a cool lick or looping technique and "steal" it and use it i= n our own music..
Copyright is sort of strange.. if a steal a par= t of a Scofield solo and record it over the same changes with a backing tha= t tries to copy the orginal and a guitar tone that tries to copy Scofield i= t is OK. BUT if i sample those=2C say 5 seconds=2C and use them in complete= ly different context it is not legal.
Remix should be as legal as= stealing a part of a melody and re-recording it.. =3B
in swe= den this is now a official religion =3Bhttp://kopimistsamfundet.org/
Copy and paste is holy.. remix is even holier.. kind of .. interes= ting at least.. =3B

So it is my religious righ= t to remix... (and by using CC license we allow remixing.. .)
Anders

Date: Mon=2C 23 Jan 2012 13:03:04 +0200=
Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music
From: kollegavalmentaja@g= mail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

This shows exact= ly the reason why I chose to give my music away for free 6 years ago.
Th= is way I can keep my sentences short and not mess money with my music.
M= y misguided trip that was 2 years long to the world of copyrighted music wa= s mistake=2C
and I regret it. From this day on=2C all my compositions belong to the worl= d=2C
my CC licenses today deny only the commercial distribution=2C but t= his license
tempts me the most http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-= sa/3.0/

It is commonly known fact in the world of electronic music=2C
that i= f the "big" producers want your work to be used under their projects=2C
= they take it=2C they pay the lawyers afterwards.

Dont know if these = things are true=3B
http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_mad= onna_stole_from.htm

but there are many cases in the world of mus= ic in which "if your product is good=2C we take it and pay you afterwards= =2C maybe not"-attitude is shown.



= --_c803c4fc-0b71-4642-9fd2-52ece0903f32_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 14:56:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5772183473; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=13kiiMeH6OH/3nLuEyQQq82u6JLpSN9u6JD9OoVkGhg=; b=dfUrwCuygzL9j82nLZ3H0WBAgaOrGRYlObKQSZngEJj1cHYiw3wQ4T69AjcB1qhpnk dyner5lsYEaKCPPShnYAwLG745lAhyuPsX8SoczwAmEOZiE5khO6GSNh8S39Ksz3D/hT QWwyE47A2bTJQWiOf1sXyClylsjewf42/JUs4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:56:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music > stealing or being inspired.. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3XNwKC.A.VG.bUXHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Wow, she really looked around for useful chunks! ;-)) I found the article interesting but I can't say I like it. Journalism that focuses on negative views of creator's activities is just a sad and pathetic phenomenon. It's all on the table, everyone should be able to simply listen and judge by themselves instead of letting knitty-picky lawyers destroy art. But it hasn't just been Madonna "stealing": I remember producer William Orbit was called in for Madonna's Ray of Light album in the nineties and since I've always been an admire of his electronic production style (bold and musical at the same time, rough with good taste) I looked forward that album. Guess my surprise when it was released and most of its music was Orbits old instrumental solo albums (the Strange Cargo series). Obviously he "pushed" his content into a second round instead of writing new material with Madonna (have no clue why this happened or if they tried to write new material first and he finally through in his old stuff just to "secure the gig"). Same old instrumental Orbit albums also turn up as background music for "songs with Beth Orton" (although Beth had guest appeared on some of his early recordings). I personally don't mind that though, IMO it's always interesting to experience the same music backing different vocalists. Kind of the same vibe as remix work. BTW I heard Madonna were a bit annoyed with Orbit because the finalizing of the album "took too long time", but when listening to that album it all makes sense because it really sounds good in a way that justifies retroactive degradation of Orbit's own instrumental albums as "pre production" ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > I really like that Madonna link.. for me it seems like Madonna is an expe= rt > at finding the right=C2=A0inspiration, taking, slightly changing it and m= aking > something bigger from it. > Is that not what we all do?? we hear a cool lick or looping technique and > "steal" it and use it in our own music.. > Copyright is sort of strange.. if a steal a part of a Scofield solo and > record it over the same changes with a backing that tries to copy the > orginal and a guitar tone that tries to copy Scofield it is OK. BUT if i > sample those, say 5 seconds, and use them in completely different context= it > is not legal. > Remix should be as legal as stealing a part of a melody and re-recording > it.. > in sweden this is now a official religion=C2=A0http://kopimistsamfundet.o= rg/ > Copy and paste is holy.. remix is even holier.. kind of .. interesting at > least.. > > So it is my religious right to remix... (and by using CC license we allow > remixing.. .) > > Anders > > ________________________________ > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:03:04 +0200 > Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music > From: kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > This shows exactly the reason why I chose to give my music away for free = 6 > years ago. > This way I can keep my sentences short and not mess money with my music. > My misguided trip that was 2 years long to the world of copyrighted music > was mistake, > and I regret it. From this day on, all my compositions belong to the worl= d, > my CC licenses today deny only the commercial distribution, but this lice= nse > tempts me the most http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ > > It is commonly known fact in the world of electronic music, > that if the "big" producers want your work to be used under their project= s, > they take it, they pay the lawyers afterwards. > > Dont know if these things are true; > http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm > > but there are many cases in the world of music in which "if your product = is > good, we take it and pay you afterwards, maybe not"-attitude is shown. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 15:15:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06F01183462; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=he63jCgitrQw+ya/cfwD8T92NGAfpURgKN2fHaWuoTs=; b=fkegIFsBFi+SzVSQcDlCKAkbAbwv0CSHHvfEISRk/UhE57gtLf3cZpx7r1b2qjEShB QGY1hJsj/kkkZBAhl2/QuyIilZnYiuB7JLjsAyTRub2PPKdRdKXV1pQwcz21p5WrYT1s jp7aMAyKZNYv2Zw59cvffNZsBX+pGZPT8xw/g= Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BE8FC362-819E-4194-9D08-B15E8C19CB86 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:15:46 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:15:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-BE8FC362-819E-4194-9D08-B15E8C19CB86 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii @Petri So what exactly are you saying? It is worth it or its not worth it to= copyright? Sent from my iPod On Jan 23, 2012, at 3:03 AM, Petri Lahtinen wr= ote: > This shows exactly the reason why I chose to give my music away for free 6= years ago. > This way I can keep my sentences short and not mess money with my music. > My misguided trip that was 2 years long to the world of copyrighted music w= as mistake, > and I regret it. =46rom this day on, all my compositions belong to the wor= ld, > my CC licenses today deny only the commercial distribution, but this licen= se > tempts me the most http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ >=20 > It is commonly known fact in the world of electronic music, > that if the "big" producers want your work to be used under their projects= , > they take it, they pay the lawyers afterwards. >=20 > Dont know if these things are true; > http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm >=20 > but there are many cases in the world of music in which "if your product i= s good, we take it and pay you afterwards, maybe not"-attitude is shown. >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-BE8FC362-819E-4194-9D08-B15E8C19CB86 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
@Petri So what exactly are you saying? It is worth it or its not worth it to copyright?

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 23, 2012, at 3:03 AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:

This shows exactly the reason why I chose to give my music away for free 6 years ago.
This way I can keep my sentences short and not mess money with my music.
My misguided trip that was 2 years long to the world of copyrighted music was mistake,
and I regret it. From this day on, all my compositions belong to the world,
my CC licenses today deny only the commercial distribution, but this license
tempts me the most http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

It is commonly known fact in the world of electronic music,
that if the "big" producers want your work to be used under their projects,
they take it, they pay the lawyers afterwards.

Dont know if these things are true;
http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm

but there are many cases in the world of music in which "if your product is good, we take it and pay you afterwards, maybe not"-attitude is shown.



--Apple-Mail-BE8FC362-819E-4194-9D08-B15E8C19CB86-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 17:45:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FD1E183473; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=0ZtblHZUPyDiG9vjn2HQuvtVBPw+rC2KTbMPuTfzhOc=; b=RLedQmjmTy8Ff+ci7lsUjN0lj9nBa8i4keFDlgk9MVKUQbxH2qSkj71k2xgmBikxWH DTM+wpWksfKVfBMybEKmwARgs1JoWip/8iUIW2CXE62lbGRDT/ekSDdtNJ5hbYaFv3YY u9/VtL4Dd1vy7m06KZoj/iYAxwmjvnhI9J3AM= Message-ID: <1C1B2A4D18D14842ACCA371FBAD8A58D@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <856D1921F2614AC097A4AA487802A731@americas.hpqcorp.net> ,<67EB729734FB4A089DF69B2B657883A5@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:45:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0483_01CCD9BC.16B12950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:45:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0483_01CCD9BC.16B12950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's definitely not the most professional and useful video out there. = ;) There are a lot of knuckle heads out there who think they need to = impress upon the world their mediocre skills and knowledge. On the = other hand, with the right searching I have found some really useful and = professional grade tutorials on these sort of topics in computer music. = Many of them are from people who work for, or our contracted by major = industry leades in software and music computer hardware.=20 The central problem is that most people have no clue what it takes to = create an effective education video or tutorial, web page, etc. It's = not like we come out of f'ing womb with these sort of skills. Many = musicians think that just because they are good on their instruments or = that they are very knowledgable of their craft, that somehow they will = be good educators. This is a huge fallacy and non sequiter. Many years = of instructional design research are underlying really good education in = the music industry. Much of the crap has to do with people being inept = at conducting a decent user profile and needs assessment/analysis. Now, = of course some people are more naturally prone to be good educators, but = I find this to be the exception. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 Oh, this video is why i loathe computers in music... some guy offers = himself and his "knowlage" up to the masses and perceives what he does = to be worthy of documentation on youtube...where as at a brass tacks = level he is basically a dude who found a bit of freeware and is now = floundering around clicking on things in a semi random fashion until it = sounds kind of cool. i know it has opened up a whole range of new people to the world of = music and i know we are supposed to have this communal spirit where it = isn't the knowledge you used to make something, its the quality of the = end product...but to me this is the same as the culture of taking half = arsed photos and adding a million photoshop filters until it looks like = a toddlers attempt at a picasso then uploading your wares to flicker. sorry grumpy monday (well that and i spent the whole weekend getting = stupidly in depth with midi trying to enable me to do something in live = realtime with hardware that is ...yes a flick of the random switch in a = plugin) so maybe it is a personal vendetta. Phill MOMB > From: krispen.hartung@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:45:09 -0700 >=20 > That and the incessant synth chords on every single upbeat. = Everytime I=20 > hear that, I keep thinking those dance composers completely ripped = off the=20 > quintessential ska sound. :) >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0483_01CCD9BC.16B12950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's definitely not the most professional and = useful video=20 out there.  ;)   There are a lot of knuckle heads out = there who=20 think they need to impress upon the world their mediocre skills and=20 knowledge.  On the other hand, with the right searching I have = found some=20 really useful and professional grade tutorials on these sort of topics = in=20 computer music.  Many of them are from people who work for, or our=20 contracted by major industry leades in software and music computer = hardware.=20
 
The central problem is that most people have no = clue what=20 it takes to create an effective education video or tutorial, web page,=20 etc.   It's not like we come out of f'ing womb with these sort = of=20 skills. Many musicians think that just because they are good on = their=20 instruments or that they are very knowledgable of their craft, = that=20 somehow they will be good educators. This is a huge fallacy and non = sequiter.   Many years of instructional design research are = underlying=20 really good education in the music industry.  Much of the crap has = to do=20 with people being inept at conducting a decent user profile and needs=20 assessment/analysis.  Now, of course some people are more naturally = prone=20 to be good educators, but I find this to be the exception.  =
----- Original Message -----

Oh, this video is why i loathe computers in music... = some guy=20 offers himself and his "knowlage" up to the masses=20 and perceives what he does to be worthy of documentation on=20 youtube...where as at a brass tacks level he is basically a dude who = found a=20 bit of freeware and is now floundering around clicking on things in a = semi=20 random fashion until it sounds kind of cool.

i know it has opened up a whole range of new people to the world = of music=20 and i know we are supposed to have this communal spirit where it isn't = the knowledge you used to make something, its the quality of = the end=20 product...but to me this is the same as the culture of taking half = arsed=20 photos and adding a million photoshop filters until it looks like a = toddlers=20 attempt at a picasso then uploading your wares to flicker.


sorry grumpy monday  (well that and i spent the whole = weekend=20 getting stupidly in depth with midi trying to enable me to do = something in=20 live realtime with hardware that is ...yes a flick of the random = switch in a=20 plugin) so maybe it is a personal vendetta.

Phill MOMB


> From: = krispen.hartung@gmail.com
>=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Filter or = Phasing=20 effect in dance music
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:45:09 = -0700
>=20
> That and the incessant synth chords on every single upbeat. = Everytime=20 I
> hear that, I keep thinking those dance composers completely = ripped=20 off the
> quintessential ska sound. :)
>=20

------=_NextPart_000_0483_01CCD9BC.16B12950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 19:06:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A13F5183474; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=OiSYGsTRKqqycg8zeg8WGjLYAgiGrwwL/ctFMul0zfw=; b=N1Xd/QG4Rp9hrNok//ncridLVZfR5HnsyIp6YOY6HWAm1wLCbwxzv26X9z4ZovGhp7 PwKy9N7zbrKhkh6a5/mU6wNTmvsRQt1AF2vORK7EYEYewQGyp+lKoMLlbo1EtsqhmyXN 9FXsmSUcZBtm1S6r4Y32sgvNVPpsIA0drra6c= Message-ID: <16FEFC19B9164CF3B88F837CAEA6B2AB@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <856D1921F2614AC097A4AA487802A731@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:06:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC) That's sort of it. The group Kaskade, one of my favs, does a great job at this. Intro of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFR3k0xMtc Intro of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xo8At6XEqE Kris ----- Original Message ----- Are you talking about this (at the beginning of this clip)? That's a low pass filter with the cutoff being raised for the first 12 bars. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9MszVE7aR4 I'd never seen this video before. It's pretty fun. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt Kris Hartung was all: > I often hear this effect in dance music where the put some sort of filter > or > phasing on the entire mix and it rises slowing...sounds almost like an > evolving high pass filter or maybe a phasor. Anyone know how to do this? > It usually builds up over a duration of 8-16 measure and then drops out > immediately on the down beat. > I don't have a sound clip on hand, but it is a VERY common device used in > dance music in discos and dance clubs. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 19:12:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65339183475; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3sXz27DQjI3q7ssy5CXKP71+KJM2UBKwZ9iKDbSCMD4=; b=oInRHrfTq1Ja1zRmJkgpEuWV0HLEl0morQAlPon1mftyDo+jd7LG4HXZf8MsiC1Fpx 07NPb/KndIB9fEN0iO4DfTII6H1nzNsumVHKiwVBsp5GILMwfzRLQG9GtBCFP0Rr4gKS 3VwLnUM9uuQepygBR5hiLb5lDBEg0i6vkrlaQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:12:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <8SADh.A.6_C.cEbHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Anyone know about a simple 3d party tremolo plugin? Both VST and AU format would do but it has to be able to follow host sync and expose to the host its parameter for sweeping the musical time values between at least a 64th note down to one and a half bar. Amazing that a search on Google and KVR did not turn up a good alternative! In Live I have the Autopan and in Mainstage/Logic I have the Tremolo effect, but now I need to set up the same rig under Plogue Bidule and it is all done except for this component. I'm getting the feeling that such an effect is regarded "too simple" for the developers out there. I already have stuff like N2O and QuadFromage but such filterbank plugins is way too much overkill for this. I simply need a gate running by a sine wave shaped LFO that syncs to host clock quantized to musical duration values. I bet one could build one in Bidule, but that's so boring and time consuming. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 19:33:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12F62183466; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=q9h8GCM0C5yGjazqkkPeEZkMQgNs4VrwtDCOj2wYE8c=; b=Uz1827TL6MkB13IlbHcID9sC8D+j/45jK+zsOHSGt+UrEJ35no0Zb2XTEyZD6NxY/G 5vAPHK4J/teoxlgz2JmTEF79ebX9kJea0RbzaVbOIdDy18LLRZ/LtrlkwFURvTKmNdsl EFL9EgNImPvTx7rWaJXBxeXK29W2mALfye08Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <856D1921F2614AC097A4AA487802A731@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16FEFC19B9164CF3B88F837CAEA6B2AB@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:33:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <44nNt.A.JSD.YYbHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:33:44 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > > Intro of this: =C2=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZVFR3k0xMtc Great sound! But that's not a specific effect. It is an instant tweaking (by host automation) of five to seven simultaneous parameters in the instruments. Stuff like cut-off filter in synths but maybe also mixer channel levels and equalization. On first listening I also hear one of the rhythmically dominating synths being tweaked along a progressive curve in the ADSR department. It doesn't make sense to teach details here, just wrap your brain around the main production technique in this genre: gently adjusting timbre of the instruments while the same instruments keep pumping driven by looping MIDI sequences. I mean, a simple thing like flattening out the Attack and increasing Sustain a little (in the ADSR section) of a synth will instantly morph the heaviest pounding into a lush pad. etc, etc... =C2=A0Think about such "timbre sweeps" as the long bows the drummer adds to normal boys-in-the-band music. If doing a fade-in sweep it is also common to add a quantized 32ths note snare drum roll along with the timbre sweeps of the synths (and/or mixer EQ tweakage). But then you should not just raise the level of the snare drum but also brighten it by a raising curve of filter cut-off (preferably also with some resonance) in the snare drum sound. > Intro of this: =C2=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8Xo8At6XEqE For the sweep in this intro Deadmaou5 uses three components: 1. Track level curves fading up instruments. 2. Synth cut-off increased in the instruments. 3. A self-feedbacking delay where a filter set to a peak around 2khz is part of the feedback chain. At the moment where the intro almost stops, just before the verse starts, this delay line routing is at the verge of going into self oscillation, but he brings the feedback level down just in time. All three aspects grow as one big sweep into Brighter & Louder up to that "stop". A school example! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 19:40:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74270183461; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=wlqlPYfE0EX0UQm870JV9f58xTX+dAVvtMhNBAXGm9c=; b=DkZ+1gVekUHsDfWfWhUier33s7XXUo7h8K1WKfxwaQF3dWT8fsFc2EgJGJ9/H62ZT/ TYLRZ9+lnb6fQ7O9yF+Q3PPrjscErwCCybt1OPL85tTuzr8QRTxpxlmSQJgACJ9RQ9O0 E8YsAekf0/m69XqL3IYCP2ywbKGrNNTyC2Qrk= Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--999419647 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:40:14 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:40:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--999419647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > simply need a gate running by a sine wave shaped LFO that syncs Not tremolo and don't know about the sync ability but the word gate made me think of StormGate http://rekkerd.org/?s=stormgate It is an interesting plugin. BobC --Apple-Mail-2--999419647 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 23, 2012, = at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

simply need a = gate running by a sine wave shaped LFO that = syncs



Not = tremolo and don't know about the sync ability but
the = word gate made me think of StormGate

It is an interesting = plugin.

BobC
= --Apple-Mail-2--999419647-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 19:46:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C23D3183466; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EKUy8Kle8a+XgJiBOHQUwerjwHqCcLwmmILarojT1bw=; b=Hb+TbFup65y+5Phr8gK2ZySiFGJf6xd5yTprZsIY3myUaGD3lPLShYMFInZ2ljwNqN NXTeKaeeEKoGUwUNIwG0gVpirNZe9NSP3M7CIgpdGepyg24wlVKQuw8PSmyNQWkBjXEA THY1ZCsaxAPBa2JG4FhIDMlMSB67LH8nYbhwA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:46:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Indeed, but not what I'm looking for to finalize my rig here. I'm used to play the rhythmic staccato sweeping from an expression pedal controlling a freeze reverb where I snag notes here and there from what I'm playing on the bass side Stick fretboard. This effect routing has almost became "my instrument" and I need to have it set up with the same playable feel in all my rigs. That's why I need only a very simple sine wave gating tremolo with host sync and speed adjust option along the normal note duration values. That's a technically precise definition. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > simply need a gate running by a sine wave shaped LFO that syncs > > > > > Not tremolo and don't know about the sync ability but > the word gate made me think of StormGate > http://rekkerd.org/?s=stormgate > > It is an interesting plugin. > > BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:19:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDBCF183473; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=D1NzKGFskOtH4B7yDGJIuRSvrxOrJRRyMvw+huSTzLQ=; b=YYN+bTYOZ32ZHee/WmFZyCQUREjSteRaAzvOJYv+07T0u3B2wJzeTgpHarlKxF4GnW 9uW46MsCkv6J6VsG3xXI/KzKLrbxJQ5hUiaS3X+8X6DwsXWzZjDvBENUBjX0h0fM4h2j 5eDnvb5f8l3IOg2z9pV2iwyrEjmol7sbA0obc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:19:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: OT: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <98aVyC.A.QBE.UDcHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Someone said: >> worthy of documentation on youtube... That cracked me up... but it could give rise to a potentially interesting new thread on what the demise of the editor (due to increase ease of self-publication or self-diffusion more generally) means for the quality of art. Anyone can publish their shit... there is no gatekeeper. Which is awesome/awful. I recently watched this documentary that presented some views on this, might be of interest to some of you: http://vimeo.com/34608191 Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:21:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49EA2183473; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/LlM5we53wO11av32snID1bTR203cBWCeSpunE9KTdY=; b=OPwNkN7feTaRkUfL5R9ApY9UidO+d9v3eo+TZuLlqhQwEh0vCs/C5IeGv4bv3qfKV3 /eIF4TTfuG2Yoqa/Mpgc1juQ95yJxVlbRZu/QomtFLIm2CpwiSr90RclBHuNCz+V1eIg JUSXsy6wU+ZnifgGgN5ite4MqLPr7T81KWQ9I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:21:44 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:21:45 +0000 (UTC) i was going to suggest sinevibes gateboy, as it presents "rate" as a modifiable parameter, but it looks like it's discontinued and been replaced with "dynamo". it's $29 though - http://www.sinevibes.com/dynamo/ i thought you had the soundtoys stuff, anyway...does tremolator not do what you want? sim On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Indeed, but not what I'm looking for to finalize my rig here. I'm used > to play the rhythmic staccato sweeping from an expression pedal > controlling a freeze reverb where I snag notes here and there from > what I'm playing on the bass side Stick fretboard. This effect routing > has almost became "my instrument" and I need to have it set up with > the same playable feel in all my rigs. That's why I need only a very > simple sine wave gating tremolo with host sync and speed adjust option > along the normal note duration values. That's a technically precise > definition. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, RP Collier wrote: >> >> On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> simply need a gate running by a sine wave shaped LFO that syncs >> >> >> >> >> Not tremolo and don't know about the sync ability but >> the word gate made me think of StormGate >> http://rekkerd.org/?s=stormgate >> >> It is an interesting plugin. >> >> BobC > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:23:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF5A8183462; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=K6vqfHdv5PuXcvIj6HdXw47/Xgk1P4b9OcrERpWGa9U=; b=tjott2b+jkmA24a416P56L0RgG774d1Zq+2l0pmq12FyWaS1yAe4a1ax/HWp5BHhve jdg2BeDxpCNF3XgcjddY5asL+sU/isMyr/Pqr3iXphjtnBdi9F+8gAMJnAhfQ0u/5/SZ J13cNRp4XIy7acNXUtFvnYIBlHlIT9w/4evUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:23:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like you might like audio damage's panstation http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/product.php?pid=AD028 Sylvain On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Indeed, but not what I'm looking for to finalize my rig here. I'm used > to play the rhythmic staccato sweeping from an expression pedal > controlling a freeze reverb where I snag notes here and there from > what I'm playing on the bass side Stick fretboard. This effect routing > has almost became "my instrument" and I need to have it set up with > the same playable feel in all my rigs. That's why I need only a very > simple sine wave gating tremolo with host sync and speed adjust option > along the normal note duration values. That's a technically precise > definition. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, RP Collier wrote: >> >> On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> simply need a gate running by a sine wave shaped LFO that syncs >> >> >> >> >> Not tremolo and don't know about the sync ability but >> the word gate made me think of StormGate >> http://rekkerd.org/?s=stormgate >> >> It is an interesting plugin. >> >> BobC > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:23:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02EF318347A; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=4RS6ZrSjnhIF4DSHLYEped03EWvXhsWBOlobm6zwilc=; b=HGs1StxbIEh2Jb9OmoHQ6UzbsmUIFXAgCI+RxRF5vAPevajcxroNk1OKeR72sOuJF/ AATzZuWN9G2i2NYi5GXl3IU1uwtDBavH/3qXkQDyMBgUvsUYSH4O5018Wk4IXO31/bVA 5/Ym6JEJlMctaOEoTUfEYq+8TtIerdSYsWSPQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:23:00 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: esF7_CdqvIngWjaZWsc_PRn95QU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music > stealing or being inspired.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044795cb3c93f004b737cd75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:23:21 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044795cb3c93f004b737cd75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is not journalism Per, this is from Aishas website. As someone who was ripped off by Maddy, she was pissed off enough to do a little digging and find any crap she could find. I have to admit I've always been a bit of a fan of Madonna, and Im a bit surprised and disapointed that she was sued by all these people and didnt fess up and give credit where credit was due... her being a major star an all, not like she couldnt aford to pay... BUT.. Bj=F8rk does exactly the same thing, nicks things form the coolest hot shit around and pretty much claims it as her own, and you know what..? I think thats just great! Thats what pop music is all about!!! There is a logical fail of course between the ethos of sampling and stealing, that still hasnt been completely understood or figured out, which is the reason I started this thread in the first place, I find myself in a position where the "right thing to do" is the wrong thing! If I dont just give my music away, Ill lose my job!! (or at least the bit of my job that I enjoy, that is film-music) But what really ticks me off (Im ticked off again Bill.. Grrr Be afraid) is... IS THIS THE FIRST TIME PEOPLE GOT THAT ABOUT MADONNA????? Im mean... did she REALLY "steal" all those photo styles shown at the start of the article??? Are people nowadays totally unaware of who Jane Mansfield was? Or Marylin Monroe.. These were ICONIC and REALLY F***ING FAMOUS photographs that Madonna was "stealing". I dont call that stealing I call that honouring or maybe parodying... You know, we are, (as YouTube gazing, meme, following, media savvy) cool kids of the 21st Century supposed to KNOW these genres and styles, its called POP CULTURE. Madonnas music is, and has alwasy been about using the music she hears right now, playing in the clubs, grabbing the icons and styles of the 20th Century,, mixing in her pseudo femmy riot grrrl bravado, and lightly coating it with dubious meaning and messages from her catholic guilt background... Shes not as clever or as experimental as Bj=F8rk, sure, but she is what she is, a product of the money factory of the 80s and apparently stealing music samples just like Coldcut, Negativeland, and me... and I think shes hot as hell and I'd do her in a second.. shit.. what a giveaway.. M --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d044795cb3c93f004b737cd75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is not journalism Per, this is from Aishas website. As someone who was= ripped off by Maddy, she was pissed off enough to do a little digging and = find any crap she could find.

I have to admit I've always been a= bit of a fan of Madonna, and Im a bit surprised and disapointed that she w= as sued by all these people and didnt fess up and give credit where credit = was due... her being a major star an all, not like she couldnt aford to pay= ...
BUT..
Bj=F8rk does exactly the same thing, nicks things form the cooles= t hot shit around and pretty much claims it as her own, and you know what..= ? I think thats just great! Thats what pop music is all about!!!
There i= s a logical fail of course between the ethos of sampling and stealing, that= still hasnt been completely understood or figured out, which is the reason= I started this thread in the first place, I find myself in a position wher= e the "right thing to do" is the wrong thing! If I dont just give= my music away, Ill lose my job!! (or at least the bit of my job that I enj= oy, that is film-music)

But what really ticks me off (Im ticked off again Bill.. Grrr Be afraid= ) is...
IS THIS THE FIRST TIME PEOPLE GOT THAT ABOUT MADONNA?????
Im= mean... did she REALLY "steal" all those photo styles shown at t= he start of the article???
Are people nowadays totally unaware of who Jane Mansfield was? Or Marylin M= onroe..
These were ICONIC and REALLY F***ING FAMOUS photographs that Ma= donna was "stealing". I dont call that stealing I call that honou= ring or maybe parodying...

You know, we are, (as YouTube gazing, meme, following, media savvy) coo= l kids of the 21st Century supposed to KNOW these genres and styles, its ca= lled POP CULTURE.

Madonnas music is, and has alwasy been about usin= g the music she hears right now, playing in the clubs, grabbing the icons a= nd styles of the 20th Century,, mixing in her pseudo femmy riot grrrl brava= do, and lightly coating it with dubious meaning and messages from her catho= lic guilt background...

Shes not as clever or as experimental as Bj=F8rk, sure, but she is what= she is, a product of the money factory of the 80s and apparently stealing = music samples just like Coldcut, Negativeland, and me... and I think shes h= ot as hell and I'd do her in a second..

shit.. what a giveaway..

M



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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d044795cb3c93f004b737cd75-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:24:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27974183463; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2iDxNE/ivmVmAI+ej/aXEZSrYkopIJIJ/Gb/HZAdzrM=; b=jCXFzp+huW+aHOaLvqlOHw8bX9cbeHxstdxJbhcxmdflp9LyZzbxqL/hzGY6RXrehR VRsrOpDeK5S7mlf6vL4pmZ87IrQZVZIW5Dq7sL5spjaA7P3dOS07kw6HBncYoR9jZkuj K7yWaVCs/MGtOYP+DaCJS0sMjaA562e1EzPEY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:24:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Or maybe not, just read your follow-up post Sylvain On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Sounds like you might like audio damage's panstation > http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/product.php?pid=AD028 > Sylvain > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Indeed, but not what I'm looking for to finalize my rig here. I'm used >> to play the rhythmic staccato sweeping from an expression pedal >> controlling a freeze reverb where I snag notes here and there from >> what I'm playing on the bass side Stick fretboard. This effect routing >> has almost became "my instrument" and I need to have it set up with >> the same playable feel in all my rigs. That's why I need only a very >> simple sine wave gating tremolo with host sync and speed adjust option >> along the normal note duration values. That's a technically precise >> definition. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, RP Collier wrote: >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> simply need a gate running by a sine wave shaped LFO that syncs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Not tremolo and don't know about the sync ability but >>> the word gate made me think of StormGate >>> http://rekkerd.org/?s=stormgate >>> >>> It is an interesting plugin. >>> >>> BobC >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:25:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1900E183477; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=3bQ0JhKC28X7AcQFXWqo+Isq9NOxua++AE3hUyThztM=; b=HSkXLH+V5hZvzB1kevD7EtsxZGuHdSEx91rBMhVjhZsjSTEdUoiOCxbMZ+rqlhIh19 bWZ6VzOljKBL+d4worSjdWmDjj/Y/yL1hyL4E2duWw4B/oGsEGO2MPi+83TIH5kl+fn8 4wMicy8fsl8S7y2+Ww854Z1USQlgEULJvK61c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:25:24 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Wt0mQqjWm3bcUsOPahEVGxEDVIE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f088cf95a304b737d505 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:25:45 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0447f088cf95a304b737d505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 trying to tell me you cant get that effect in stutter edit? or is that a bit of a heavyweight load just for a trem? On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Sounds like you might like audio damage's panstation > http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/product.php?pid=AD028 > Sylvain > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Indeed, but not what I'm looking for to finalize my rig here. I'm used > > to play the rhythmic staccato sweeping from an expression pedal > > controlling a freeze reverb where I snag notes here and there from > > what I'm playing on the bass side Stick fretboard. This effect routing > > has almost became "my instrument" and I need to have it set up with > > the same playable feel in all my rigs. That's why I need only a very > > simple sine wave gating tremolo with host sync and speed adjust option > > along the normal note duration values. That's a technically precise > > definition. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, RP Collier > wrote: > >> > >> On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> > >> simply need a gate running by a sine wave shaped LFO that syncs > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Not tremolo and don't know about the sync ability but > >> the word gate made me think of StormGate > >> http://rekkerd.org/?s=stormgate > >> > >> It is an interesting plugin. > >> > >> BobC > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d0447f088cf95a304b737d505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable trying to tell me you cant get that effect in stutter edit? or is that a bi= t of a heavyweight load just for a trem?

= On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Sounds like you might like audio damage'= s panstation
http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/product.php?pid=3DAD028
Sylvain

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Indeed, but not what I&#= 39;m looking for to finalize my rig here. I'm used
> to play the rhythmic staccato sweeping from an expression pedal
> controlling a freeze reverb where I snag notes here and there from
> what I'm playing on the bass side Stick fretboard. This effect rou= ting
> has almost became "my instrument" and I need to have it set = up with
> the same playable feel in all my rigs. That's why I need only a ve= ry
> simple sine wave gating tremolo with host sync and speed adjust option=
> along the normal note duration values. That's a technically precis= e
> definition.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>
>> simply need a gate running by a sine wave shaped LFO that syncs >>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not tremolo and don't know about the sync ability but
>> the word gate made me think of StormGate
>> ht= tp://rekkerd.org/?s=3Dstormgate
>>
>> It is an interesting plugin.
>>
>> BobC
>




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= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d0447f088cf95a304b737d505-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:28:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0908918348B; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=EasnHTVZXekKGjCvbAfIwXJk8TCgXUEMt/dEHuWZ/lE=; b=EEdxUosobIgZnHfZgedyEaeLRtXhkXijcM/idl8ahJqTiEJeWZTvpui13mYKKbBSf0 MlNcF4tX1gsByUucp3TjYfGbODejJkFXXOXdutZ0uZqg2DJV4/LugKfl5cKAs+Dpa71K hctpxJZuV61Rx/U5E449/z/vVKMUW8TpBVooI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:28:22 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Sx4uDVfD11MAeGj-bLVhSa0k6dI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04479fa16c207604b737e0b0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:28:43 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04479fa16c207604b737e0b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But wait, didnt you say your host is Bidule? (I dont know Bidule but...) cant you grab a amplifier (vca) and feed it an LFO? or if you want synched, a ADSR... isnt this what Bidule is made for? M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04479fa16c207604b737e0b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But wait, didnt you say your host is Bidule? (I dont know Bidule but...) ca= nt you grab a amplifier (vca) and feed it an LFO? or if you want synched, a= ADSR... isnt this what Bidule is made for?

M



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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--f46d04479fa16c207604b737e0b0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:29:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DC3D183495; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2a5hTow//rN/c8tqD5GW7xceef0j1fLT3h5L5xDmi3o=; b=lIhYvMkCzBmeiwcO22df2hqHjszgxIzOpzmQ6PcsHbC7Q3ZYNDgL6VSDu8lzeOvIux rVDbLq52odtQJ/lSbas/YrmqMu4Dp1i3VwqeeltzHrojsZfFoJRWmSrmsNf/1Z2M6gkO z3/qY5Lo7GEy6Irkg+hVCcgJg+fqDbbMeXft8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:29:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51a759e66f2e104b737e22a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:29:17 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51a759e66f2e104b737e22a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For someone who tries to make a living out of music, its not a question of choice. It is absolutely necessary. 2012/1/23 Gmail > @Petri So what exactly are you saying? It is worth it or its not worth it > to copyright? > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jan 23, 2012, at 3:03 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > This shows exactly the reason why I chose to give my music away for free 6 > years ago. > This way I can keep my sentences short and not mess money with my music. > My misguided trip that was 2 years long to the world of copyrighted music > was mistake, > and I regret it. From this day on, all my compositions belong to the world, > my CC licenses today deny only the commercial distribution, but this > license > tempts me the most http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ > > It is commonly known fact in the world of electronic music, > that if the "big" producers want your work to be used under their projects, > they take it, they pay the lawyers afterwards. > > Dont know if these things are true; > http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm > > but there are many cases in the world of music in which "if your product > is good, we take it and pay you afterwards, maybe not"-attitude is shown. > > > > -- Petri --bcaec51a759e66f2e104b737e22a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For someone who tries to make a living out of music, its not a question of = choice.
It is absolutely necessary.

20= 12/1/23 Gmail <k3z= z21@gmail.com>
@Petri So what= exactly are you saying? It is worth it or its not worth it to copyright?
Sent from my iPod

On Jan 23, 2012,= at 3:03 AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:

This shows exactly the reason why= I chose to give my music away for free 6 years ago.
This way I can keep= my sentences short and not mess money with my music.
My misguided trip = that was 2 years long to the world of copyrighted music was mistake,
and I regret it. From this day on, all my compositions belong to the world,=
my CC licenses today deny only the commercial distribution, but this li= cense
tempts me the most http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0= /

It is commonly known fact in the world of electronic music,
that if = the "big" producers want your work to be used under their project= s,
they take it, they pay the lawyers afterwards.

Dont know if th= ese things are true;
http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_mad= onna_stole_from.htm

but there are many cases in the world of mus= ic in which "if your product is good, we take it and pay you afterward= s, maybe not"-attitude is shown.






--
Petri


--bcaec51a759e66f2e104b737e22a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:38:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24CEE183465; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rrm+/G5g3CBDUcPkCB1t6GMM5nWlhBAqIN6RxoaW4NU=; b=FJPSNNrdz9es/QtyMIBUOKLJnlkBfR4qjFNTT6vQnlRlW8jPw7CefuPgH6/3ylkr67 AmCuxslJMn2TETI4nD3tk1UWSDmffNKhGyLdPCc/D8RvarDvi5lOhxYtWOrGNmkc0B6a kiYPdJl7xJc2UjN1dGFRyn5p5euwmDW17KBEE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <99E3BEDE-2CF1-4388-83CC-F6B67CFD816A@gmail.com> <8D0FB98E-E677-4D5C-9257-3A374AB01579@trufun.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:38:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Copyrighting Improvised Music > stealing or being inspired.. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934042fa01a1404b7380120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:38:00 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934042fa01a1404b7380120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, this is not a post your family should read :-D but on the more serious note, if copyright means, in Finland, that you cant sell no more than 20 of your OWN songs from your own website, I cant be part of that kind of organisation. I dont see any reason on that kind of limiting? It is not a serious problem for me, but I can see it is, to a person who really TRIES to make a living on his/hers own music, for example way Matt Stevens has done, and has done good. http://mattstevens.bandcamp.com/album/relic But even Matt is copyrighting with CC and I KNOW he's a clever guy :-) -Petri- 2012/1/23 mark francombe > This is not journalism Per, this is from Aishas website. As someone who > was ripped off by Maddy, she was pissed off enough to do a little digging > and find any crap she could find. > > I have to admit I've always been a bit of a fan of Madonna, and Im a bit > surprised and disapointed that she was sued by all these people and didnt > fess up and give credit where credit was due... her being a major star an > all, not like she couldnt aford to pay... > BUT.. > Bj=F8rk does exactly the same thing, nicks things form the coolest hot sh= it > around and pretty much claims it as her own, and you know what..? I think > thats just great! Thats what pop music is all about!!! > There is a logical fail of course between the ethos of sampling and > stealing, that still hasnt been completely understood or figured out, whi= ch > is the reason I started this thread in the first place, I find myself in = a > position where the "right thing to do" is the wrong thing! If I dont just > give my music away, Ill lose my job!! (or at least the bit of my job that= I > enjoy, that is film-music) > > But what really ticks me off (Im ticked off again Bill.. Grrr Be afraid) > is... > IS THIS THE FIRST TIME PEOPLE GOT THAT ABOUT MADONNA????? > Im mean... did she REALLY "steal" all those photo styles shown at the > start of the article??? > Are people nowadays totally unaware of who Jane Mansfield was? Or Marylin > Monroe.. > These were ICONIC and REALLY F***ING FAMOUS photographs that Madonna was > "stealing". I dont call that stealing I call that honouring or maybe > parodying... > > You know, we are, (as YouTube gazing, meme, following, media savvy) cool > kids of the 21st Century supposed to KNOW these genres and styles, its > called POP CULTURE. > > Madonnas music is, and has alwasy been about using the music she hears > right now, playing in the clubs, grabbing the icons and styles of the 20t= h > Century,, mixing in her pseudo femmy riot grrrl bravado, and lightly > coating it with dubious meaning and messages from her catholic guilt > background... > > Shes not as clever or as experimental as Bj=F8rk, sure, but she is what s= he > is, a product of the money factory of the 80s and apparently stealing mus= ic > samples just like Coldcut, Negativeland, and me... and I think shes hot a= s > hell and I'd do her in a second.. > > shit.. what a giveaway.. > > M > > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 Petri --14dae934042fa01a1404b7380120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, this is not a post your family should read

:-D

but on t= he more serious note, if copyright means,
in Finland, that you cant sell= no more than 20 of your OWN songs
from your own website, I cant be part= of that kind of organisation.

I dont see any reason on that kind of limiting?

It is not a seri= ous problem for me, but I can see it is,
to a person who really TRIES to= make a living on his/hers own music,
for example way Matt Stevens has d= one, and has done good.

http://mattstev= ens.bandcamp.com/album/relic

But even Matt is copyrighting with = CC and I KNOW he's a clever guy

:-)

-Petri-


2012/1/23 mark francombe <<= a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@markfrancombe.com>
This is not journalism Per, this is from Aishas website. As someone who was= ripped off by Maddy, she was pissed off enough to do a little digging and = find any crap she could find.

I have to admit I've always been a= bit of a fan of Madonna, and Im a bit surprised and disapointed that she w= as sued by all these people and didnt fess up and give credit where credit = was due... her being a major star an all, not like she couldnt aford to pay= ...
BUT..
Bj=F8rk does exactly the same thing, nicks things form the cooles= t hot shit around and pretty much claims it as her own, and you know what..= ? I think thats just great! Thats what pop music is all about!!!
There i= s a logical fail of course between the ethos of sampling and stealing, that= still hasnt been completely understood or figured out, which is the reason= I started this thread in the first place, I find myself in a position wher= e the "right thing to do" is the wrong thing! If I dont just give= my music away, Ill lose my job!! (or at least the bit of my job that I enj= oy, that is film-music)

But what really ticks me off (Im ticked off again Bill.. Grrr Be afraid= ) is...
IS THIS THE FIRST TIME PEOPLE GOT THAT ABOUT MADONNA?????
Im= mean... did she REALLY "steal" all those photo styles shown at t= he start of the article???
Are people nowadays totally unaware of who Jane Mansfield was? Or Marylin M= onroe..
These were ICONIC and REALLY F***ING FAMOUS photographs that Ma= donna was "stealing". I dont call that stealing I call that honou= ring or maybe parodying...

You know, we are, (as YouTube gazing, meme, following, media savvy) coo= l kids of the 21st Century supposed to KNOW these genres and styles, its ca= lled POP CULTURE.

Madonnas music is, and has alwasy been about usin= g the music she hears right now, playing in the clubs, grabbing the icons a= nd styles of the 20th Century,, mixing in her pseudo femmy riot grrrl brava= do, and lightly coating it with dubious meaning and messages from her catho= lic guilt background...

Shes not as clever or as experimental as Bj=F8rk, sure, but she is what= she is, a product of the money factory of the 80s and apparently stealing = music samples just like Coldcut, Negativeland, and me... and I think shes h= ot as hell and I'd do her in a second..

shit.. what a giveaway..=

M



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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--14dae934042fa01a1404b7380120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 20:38:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B40183463; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 715032998/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.7/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.7 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBALLEHU9V0rEH/2dsb2JhbAAMNoUJrBgBAQEDASMVES8GCwsaAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBh3inD5E3gS+HW4IGgRYEmlyNCw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,557,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="715032998" Message-ID: <4F1DC560.6040003@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:38:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2LLa7.A.m8E.gVcHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > That's why I need only a very > simple sine wave gating tremolo with host sync and speed adjust option > along the normal note duration values. That's a technically precise > definition. "sine wave gating" is a bit confusing though. If you mean varying the amplitude by a sine wave then Mathons Chopan might do it if you used just one channel. ...but it doesn't let you sweep different quantised values, each rhythmic division is on a separate push button. ...and it might not sound right, the amplitude response is optimised for panning, not trem (although it's variable) What about hard sync? (e.g. Chopan has capability to reset the LFO at the beginning of the bar, might get you close enough to the effect you want without quantising to note values) ...and why a sin wave in particular? Hope you don't mind if I make a note of your spec for future reference ;-) andy www.mathons.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 21:09:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C04118345F; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/dwH7R7wawiJXis+oqaGOsAZvAj2Oe0qkroDd6P76bM=; b=pTIH7Kmc9Bkle7IGOmLphwJcaFNEf5lunM3tvIuuXQXxtDGpXZePQpbkSLrbYmUWPh W9upqxHJXjzdEgCKVJHH9Va9aGKd04l9NJQ80OOlGkS8pwHMoWg5vsJ4QWYlIi7N88y/ hx+sAVDHIipvZ9l/6Y+K8BhGj6L8UvcLIm+No= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:09:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: nOISE iNTERACTS wITH qUIESCENCE (some granular looping in a minimalistic improvisation) From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51a759ec1a67904b7387273 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:09:39 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51a759ec1a67904b7387273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I got to have that Octatrack - oh wait its price tag was 999 euros.... :D 2012/1/19 Anders Bergdahl > So once again, guitar and Octatrack.. and only that.. no pre-recorded > sampler at all.. > One take no edits no effects added at all.. minimalism ;-). > > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/noise-interacts-with > > I quite like this one.. many loops but very short.. > -- Petri --bcaec51a759ec1a67904b7387273 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got to have that Octatrack - oh wait its price tag was 999 euros.... :D
2012/1/19 Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@ho= tmail.com>
So once again, guitar and Octatrack.. and only that.. no pre-recorded sampl= er at all..=A0
One take no edits no effects added at all.. minimalism ;= -).


I quite like this one.. many loops but very short= ..



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Petri


--bcaec51a759ec1a67904b7387273-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 21:24:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C311183461; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GSc1NseVxr5H7LncZ7DEUOFmaicrjhly/LOmCBh6qRE=; b=n8jqVcB7OLz8Otkv4xr0fyqUcYLAmIU0JAJyzGyGS8JZ8rP7p3uQT8T3hb7LrIaksu JZ66lfhEN5zmRUY2oZ/tIHticIe5YDXo8TsB6qIOpfFkYC6Ptq9DpPgYYwS2TSVrxczk N4x6bweMZnc5jW4ZCYq2z53rqSQVMpAuVV4bI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:24:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:24:16 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > replaced with "dynamo". it's $29 though - > http://www.sinevibes.com/dynamo/ Thank you for that suggestion, Sim! Also a bit of overkill for this particular need but I think I'll go for this one anyway. After reading the PDF manual I'm sure I will find it very useful in a lot of other projects. And due to its functionality specification one can assume it is pretty light on the CPU. A good thing too is that it is in the AU format because that makes it more compatible for me. > i thought you had the soundtoys stuff, anyway...does tremolator not do > what you want? No, I'm afraid all the SoundToys plugins do not report the "rate" parameter to the host - such a shame! They are more tools aimed at producing a recording where you typically mute one instance and un-mute a new instance of the same plugin but set to a different preset. What I need now is a playable tempo division (sync rate) parameter for live use. So for now I will guess I will use Dynamo with only the two first steps of this 32 step sequencer :-)) On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Sounds like you might like audio damage's panstation > http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/product.php?pid=AD028 Audiodamage is a company with a great vision. I already have some of their plugins, even discontinued ones ;-) but the Panstation is just a bit too much under the hood for me. I rather prefer to set up the routing externally in the host system. And it is expensive! By god that's a big bunch of pizzas!!! On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:25 PM, mark francombe wrote: > trying to tell me you cant get that effect in stutter edit? or is that a bit > of a heavyweight load just for a trem? Yep too heavy on the CPU. And I don't "want to get that effect", I want to play it! Stutter Edit draws on the concept of pre prepared sweeps of processes that you trigger by launching a preset. I need to clearly hear the time division in order to instantly match it against my playing and live looping. Can't be too complicated patterns then. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:28 PM, mark francombe wrote: > But wait, didnt you say your host is Bidule? (I dont know Bidule but...) > cant you grab a amplifier (vca) and feed it an LFO? or if you want synched, > a ADSR... isnt this what Bidule is made for? Yes, that's an option... but oh so boring.... On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:38 PM, andy butler wrote: > Chopan Thanks you for mentioning this interesting plugin, but you already mentioned why it won't fit in for this special project :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 21:57:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA661183465; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eyHwpI9QJ3kZFUU+UOc2Nkh/LSf6fEy84RK1Dq/1hGA=; b=crlcNHwgK5eDVmX1j3W3ECPMeKdUcbN6/3TVka+fYEjcFnc/Y5EkuOp68DalpDT99r t8ffcIclJ+APeLBBZ3qgz2dzy+RglLfBMLW9gjIyCbHs+0uQouWgwtbab2PJqDSsC9bT tKEVaU0TyIm7dfCvP4M4yaBy2ztonB6ryL8aw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:57:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Matt the KUSF in Exile DJ From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I now have a radio show on KUSF in Exile. My show broadcasts on Tuesday nights at midnight (Wednesday morning) on www.savekusf.org. The first episode is archived on the official site at: http://www.kusf-archives.com/2012/01/kusf-in-exile-011912-midnight-2-am-matt.html And I'll back up 8 or so episodes at http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com (With the podcasts I've been doing up to that point.) Mostly, it'll be a 1 hour show - mostly. Some history - KUSF used to be the college station of USF in San Francisco. Last year, the university suddenly sold the transmitter and frequency license to the classical station KDFC, closing the college radio station without any warning to students, staff or community. Since then, KUSF has found a home broadcasting online through some bandwidth donated by WFMU. So, it's currently an online-only station, even though a lot of the programming is similar to when it was a terrestrial station. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 22:21:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28C94183463; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nQ5n/JC6UN3gxjgbpLTnTMzY8rOh4J1++Qc7AGqkRRI=; b=V6lfVmar0ayP6LOTmHz4OOHgdKXXgWHJmDh0qYgUAwg0FofKngQq1NnrlLFRXCUJwD BkFV6z+jSR3FDusfJrPxRw3PHK8bl1sTLU5Pq9OtzCqSWd4dXBJSaOZKgkrYdDSB1GhO EmWgoHi/RyokzL2D//+RFVnI9PLqylrnCO9A8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:21:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question: 3d party tremolo plugin? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:21:04 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> replaced with "dynamo". it's $29 though - >> http://www.sinevibes.com/dynamo/ > > Thank you for that suggestion, Sim! Also a bit of overkill for this > particular need but I think I'll go for this one anyway. Got a better idea! I'll use Numerology AU plugin that I already have! Wow, that's gonna be great for this. Had forgot about that one. In short: you open a mini version of Numerology (modular step sequencing environment) as a plugin. I just tried it out now and inside Bidule the Numerology AU syncs fine after Mobius first loop set tempo (via OS X IAC bus into a Bidule MIDI Clock To Sync object). What it means is that I can run audio THROUGH the Numerology and use any kind of combination of one or more step sequencers to modulate any aspect of whatever audio plugin I open INSIDE the Numerology AU. Got it working here now at an 8 percent CPU increase. Will see if that is viable. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 22:27:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B28C183473; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:27:00 UTC Message-ID: <20120123142832.2keba6f8oo084840@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:28:32 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Matt the KUSF in Exile DJ References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Congrats Matt! :) -cpr Quoting Matt Davignon : > Hi all, > > I now have a radio show on KUSF in Exile. My show broadcasts on > Tuesday nights at midnight (Wednesday morning) on www.savekusf.org. > > The first episode is archived on the official site at: > http://www.kusf-archives.com/2012/01/kusf-in-exile-011912-midnight-2-am-ma= tt.html > > And I'll back up 8 or so episodes at http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > (With the podcasts I've been doing up to that point.) > > Mostly, it'll be a 1 hour show - mostly. > > Some history - KUSF used to be the college station of USF in San > Francisco. Last year, the university suddenly sold the transmitter and > frequency license to the classical station KDFC, closing the college > radio station without any warning to students, staff or community. > Since then, KUSF has found a home broadcasting online through some > bandwidth donated by WFMU. So, it's currently an online-only station, > even though a lot of the programming is similar to when it was a > terrestrial station. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:03:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8307183477; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: OT Ebow casing degradation Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:02:58 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AczaM+XCOJzhpxDrQTGo/w+HGya9Fg== x-vipre-scanned: 0F7B88DF002CB60F7B8A2C X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:03:04 +0000 (UTC) I haven't used my ebow for a while and broke it out today to find the glue line partially dissolved, the casing coming apart and a weird, black greasy goo on the seam. Anyone else have this? It still had the battery inside. Swapped it out and it works, it just mucked up my hands. I'll need to do some epoxying as well. I believe the switch got bumped to the "on" position in storage. Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? ~Peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:05:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21539183478; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hFAgd8ofc2xcO+VwpxN3O3Pm2QF9wKjQ1sHxuhBNUBs=; b=WmwjRGBDdKJTVhbjQGruJ7CCKt+6bS7+7DDAPzPFxeY07r7oPbGxrvbjJDUefub24I I8hk20ThCG8nb4WGzvDNn2A7qZfC3ho/KlAhnUwtBP0vDE6hR44bKHDJVnA3Sft75kh4 FA0gNJPVR9/WM4u6GmQU+JXbQysgHIJjE2EcU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:05:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301d426657edfd04b73bbe9f Resent-Message-ID: <5p6U5.A.HQ.bPgHPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:05:32 +0000 (UTC) --20cf301d426657edfd04b73bbe9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 probably. unless it was something you store it with or it was in an area with abnormal condensation then heat, etc. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM, wrote: > I haven't used my ebow for a while and broke it out today to find the glue > line partially dissolved, the casing coming apart and a weird, black greasy > goo on the seam. Anyone else have this? It still had the battery inside. > Swapped it out and it works, it just mucked up my hands. I'll need to do > some epoxying as well. I believe the switch got bumped to the "on" position > in storage. > > Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? > > > ~Peace~ > > Mike > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > > > -- If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) --20cf301d426657edfd04b73bbe9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable probably. unless it was something you store it with or it was in an area wi= th abnormal condensation then heat, etc.=A0

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
I haven't used my ebow for a while and b= roke it out today to find the glue
line partially dissolved, the casing coming apart and a weird, black greasy=
goo on the seam. =A0Anyone else have this? It still had the battery inside.=
Swapped it out and it works, it just mucked up my hands. I'll need to d= o
some epoxying as well. I believe the switch got bumped to the "on"= ; position
in storage.

Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery?


~Peace~

Mike


www.michaelplis= hka.com
www.scribbled= musings.com






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If you do no= t understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask = questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assur= ed any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is av= ailable; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be = better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that y= ou respect mine.

Best wishes, Billy

(I respectfully = ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes=A0the ap= pearance of authenticity and=A0compromises the honorable intentions from wh= ich this signature was created.)

--20cf301d426657edfd04b73bbe9f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:16:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FB93183478; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=rJ0eequXN_mnO8pOasEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:16:40 -0500 (EST) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1fbe834e.1acc00.1350d494657.Webtop.49@charter.net> Subject: RE: OT Ebow casing degradation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 49 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Mike, Gosh, that's a new one on me, and I've owned 3 (bought the first one in 1980 direct from the manufacturer). 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--00504502c7c9ae731d04b73bee0d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:19:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C39A183477; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=KDdqvlzcGk4SqwWBJO/4F6m7VBnecLVwFrlpqMc10CQ=; b=wY/bKy1hSEAL2jezXH3H+6SJ5H4cHlpnur3z6v83+EOfLZ22I2/PaD+DGZUEAsg+Sw fc92SHye3ljONpSpyQ7ROsKfzkACIZGlO3ypxH1hNMkgwgybuPRN8vXYYoqgN01wVRXs yDWrRE8Z44bAueAOF3Hqg5iUNVmQoCHGc3oB4= Message-Id: <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--979047786 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:19:46 -0800 References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:19:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--979047786 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, wrote: > Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery loaded. What brand of battery were you using? Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather than battery vapors? BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego --Apple-Mail-3--979047786 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jan 23, 2012, = at 5:02 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> = <mike@michaelplishka.com> = wrote:

Anyone else = have this happen? Off gassing from the = battery?


No, had mine for years = thru longs periods of non-use with battery loaded.
What brand = of battery were you using?
Could it have been heat from being = on continuously for so long rather than battery = vapors?

BobC


<= div>
From: Phil Clevenger <phil.cl= evenger@gmail.com>
To:<= /b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own m= usic
=0A
This is a gr= eat thread.

It was exactly that hyper-critical voice tha= t drove me away from performance almost 20 years ago, and with which I am w= restling anew these days. As with so many here, I too found that whatever I= was so painfully unhappy with in the moment was often quite enjoyable afte= r the fact, with some distance, listening to a recording or video. But that= pain in the moment was excruciating and I was not able to defeat it then.<= /div>

At a recent looping event, one performer delivered= something so transcendent and intimate, I had to ask: how on earth were yo= u able to allow yourself to go so deep, spontaneously, in this artificial, = fraught, performance context?

The performer looked= me straight in the eye, and without waiting a beat, said "Lorazepam.&= quot;  :)

Fricking genius. I am not even kidd= ing. Never occurred to me before :) And I am not advocating Hendrix hallucinogens or = dopey weeds, or other "mind-expanding" or "performance enhan= cing" shenanigans, just thinking that a tiny bit of therapeutic pharma= cology to take the edge off a debilitating inner critic might well be very = useful.  For me anyway.

Phil :)









On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Larry Salzman wrote:<= /div>
Hello everyone I am new to the group. Below is an example of my l= ooping. Its camera audio only. 
Larry

htt= p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgkCuCwLLNxU
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--1662753009-925658374-1326129207=:195-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 17:23:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B030183461; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--69722636 From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <1326129207.195.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:23:48 -0800 Cc: David Gans , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1326129207.195.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: bill bigrig X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:23:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--69722636 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good thing he wasn't Bob Dylan's producer on "Positively Fourth Street." On the other hand, I saw Van Morrison at the Greek Theater in Berkeley a = few years ago, and it wasn't one of his better shws. I kept thinking = that glaring at his drummer nonstop (when he wasn't singing) was not = likely to result in an improvement to the groove. On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:13 AM, bill bigrig wrote: > This one may be way out there but,,, Joe Meek always forced his = musicians/singers to smile while recording. Even without a window to the = studio, he could tell when someone was not smiling during a take. I've = had to chide a few frontmen during nights when they were giving other = players bad looks. It always improved the performance almost instantly.=20= --Apple-Mail-10--69722636 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On the other hand, = I saw Van Morrison at the Greek Theater in Berkeley a few years ago, and = it wasn't one of his better shws. I kept thinking that glaring at his = drummer nonstop (when he wasn't singing) was not likely to result in an = improvement to the groove.


On Jan = 9, 2012, at 9:13 AM, bill bigrig wrote:

This one may = be way out there but,,, Joe Meek always forced his musicians/singers to = smile while recording. Even without a window to the studio, he could = tell when someone was not smiling during a take. I've had to chide a few = frontmen during nights when they were giving other players bad looks. It = always improved the performance almost instantly. 





= --Apple-Mail-10--69722636-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 18:39:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71A9518345D; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 580700.10357.bm@omp1069.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326134394; bh=3+Gef8IU0b4BwVmDJo7dOsC1Qt32TxDeG5qv/JWGrfs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NWj9sx+pWPGOq1JTKBqApj5sVJHmPQXLHNVmHAu1zap9grbPsj6dw4f42IHCBiYtKp8ZkEM4eA0oJkk9omnJrAtvGS4eNQp/Yv8tHiIeoLv1Kfe9rpgsdioWx9bZVtaKfZieXmTVZv816289wk2g5qJ7qR/y4B44s1xUFR0ISNo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HuYH+e2w2boAxiXa3K7qFy+WmJ2TPBOJKvpx+gfK9S+Ff/5fZ6WIxzI9LkKhJndLGSg7TVM1NlB7ZmUsjfQwgGIgZUTJbwxxHKHhlSH3P/thTnNYa2YS9Ud0mqerolRDo7rxzRhGVgN5sNFhNVWtIgeG86FIAxCQHRew5p1553E=; X-YMail-OSG: 05Zu0XYVM1lAucXK8SsleREHhuW4mrA3wb8dp4ECPuNtifm v5zBz33tIR0G.oLyNFL3156VMf7t_5VBv5hxFi6Y4A_0k2D3S18jH9X86pWF JV_AtMf7tLWkWYactAsHc8_2mp7Wh8VGvluPZ2BtTceVzWnbQSkW1euyX8TY VhiOz.iPcAdekDafNPL9AepAdAqeb3xuHahbuAfyzxtta1PtrpsCHkOW0zXr Q6r2J7eofptQ1DJUxsHvACUOmsIuU0oKLdJVxXPGXFFXSpmuNfnrPyj1UxMm IwJuUSuM.iozZq7sD5kCqwguFJi3oElUw7AyZXkUeXZy7rFFHNYY19A1Kmut qxOPy_TBT8xdUOUdvunE_y0XRfx_IVDlgtCsbROpviVn1QzMUTzaxriJsaIo P2apHtstfeNgDeJ.OHUsleEm.4zRlaSdhWTePlwYnY0Qn1Bj7JCAH8mkZY26 n2FZbwn8- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1326129207.195.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1326134393.63508.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:39:53 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-981468583-867860629-1326134393=:63508" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:39:56 +0000 (UTC) ---981468583-867860629-1326134393=:63508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm lucky in that respect. Saved every tape from the get-go. saved the tape= s I made of other bands I mixed also. Every once in a while I'll run into s= omeone I mixed. When they find out I still have tape, they go all ga-ga, an= d want some copies. One band I worked with, the lead singer died of ovarian= cancer. When her family caught wind of my recordings, they made a boatload= of copies, both for the memorial service, and for her relatives to once ag= ain hear the voice of thier beloved Shelly.=0ARig=0A=0A=0A_________________= _______________=0AFrom: David Gans =0ATo: bill bigrig =0ACc: David Gans ; Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, January 9, 2012 9:23 AM=0ASubject: Re: = Liking/Disliking your own music=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AGood thing he wasn't Bob Dyla= n's producer on "Positively Fourth Street."=0A=0AOn the other hand, I saw V= an Morrison at the Greek Theater in Berkeley a few years ago, and it wasn't= one of his better shws. I kept thinking that glaring at his drummer nonsto= p (when he wasn't singing) was not likely to result in an improvement to th= e groove.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 9, 2012, at 9:13 AM, bill bigrig wrote:=0A=0ATh= is one may be way out there but,,, Joe Meek always forced his musicians/sin= gers to smile while recording. Even without a window to the studio, he coul= d tell when someone was not smiling during a take. I've had to chide a few = frontmen during nights when they were giving other players bad looks. It al= ways improved the performance almost instantly.=A0=0A> ---981468583-867860629-1326134393=:63508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm lucky in that respect. Saved every ta= pe from the get-go. saved the tapes I made of other bands I mixed also. Eve= ry once in a while I'll run into someone I mixed. When they find out I stil= l have tape, they go all ga-ga, and want some copies. One band I worked wit= h, the lead singer died of ovarian cancer. When her family caught wind of m= y recordings, they made a boatload of copies, both for the memorial service= , and for her relatives to once again hear the voice of thier beloved Shell= y.
Rig

From:= David Gans <david@trufun.com>
To: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
Cc: David Gans <david@truf= un.com>; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your o= wn music


Good thing he wasn't Bob Dylan's producer on "Positively Fourth Street= ."

On the other hand, I saw Van Morrison at the Greek Theater in Berkeley= a few years ago, and it wasn't one of his better shws. I kept thinking tha= t glaring at his drummer nonstop (when he wasn't singing) was not likely to= result in an improvement to the groove.


On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:13 AM, bill bigrig wrote:

This one may be way out there but,,, Joe Meek a= lways forced his musicians/singers to smile while recording. Even without a= window to the studio, he could tell when someone was not smiling during a = take. I've had to chide a few frontmen during nights when they were giving = other players bad looks. It always improved the performance almost instantl= y. 
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---981468583-867860629-1326134393=:63508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 18:50:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 962C918345F; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20--64549568 From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <1326134393.63508.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:50:01 -0800 Cc: David Gans , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-Id: <969C9565-5AA4-4935-8C3F-021C0D7D76A3@trufun.com> References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1326129207.195.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1326134393.63508.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: bill bigrig X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:50:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-20--64549568 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been recording for decades, and recently I have been transferring = shows from cassette, reel, DAT, etc. I found a recording of a band that = opened for my band 20+ years ago, put it on CD, and sent it to one of = the band members (with whom I have stayed in touch). Great fun. Listening to my 1974 self, my 1980 self, etc., has been both humbling = and enlightening.=20 On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:39 AM, bill bigrig wrote: > I'm lucky in that respect. Saved every tape from the get-go. saved the = tapes I made of other bands I mixed also. Every once in a while I'll run = into someone I mixed. When they find out I still have tape, they go all = ga-ga, and want some copies. One band I worked with, the lead singer = died of ovarian cancer. When her family caught wind of my recordings, = they made a boatload of copies, both for the memorial service, and for = her relatives to once again hear the voice of thier beloved Shelly. David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail-20--64549568 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm lucky in that respect. Saved = every tape from the get-go. saved the tapes I made of other bands I = mixed also. Every once in a while I'll run into someone I mixed. When = they find out I still have tape, they go all ga-ga, and want some = copies. One band I worked with, the lead singer died of ovarian cancer. = When her family caught wind of my recordings, they made a boatload of = copies, both for the memorial service, and for her relatives to once = again hear the voice of thier beloved = Shelly.

david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730




= --Apple-Mail-20--64549568-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 19:27:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A711183474; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WP4foxBg4h3If1NKSx1A+QMkOtFiPHWtCrL5F98PCwY=; b=M0s6gYXnMGnUg4bzyRq5iQ5mUKQtPoBaH8m8V6IFm7sIeUXujTw/9XOk3eWMCZ7sBS 2ex1R2ViqKUBTIVG2UKbeYH/kd3zgGD/HQEy4XNc12kxe3wG0Nsz2Kl1KDym2L3mvhyT Od09Fn82/DrGt/65/pzbpuT+FMxXDOeXJjpu8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120109111541.6CE60F20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> References: <20120109111541.6CE60F20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:27:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Which macbook for live audio? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:27:29 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Ben wrote: >> I am running ableton live, with some built-in basic effects. As far as I know Ableton is as good with a 2 core as with a 4 core CPU. My MBP has the 2 core i7 CPU at 2.7 mHz speed. I'm just back form a little tour project and this MBP worked perfectly well playing back four stereo tracks - sending out 8 mono signals for octaphonic surround audio PA - while also applying heavy effect chains for five audio inputs and one instance of the synth Alchemy (by CamelAudio). I had four Alchemy patches preloaded inside a (Ableton) rack to switch between. My old Macbook would never have been able to deal with this but it just worked flawlessly. >> I would like to move towards using ableton's looper for my looping needs, so >> I probably need something with 8gb ram. What about processor requirements? Having much RAM is not really an issue for making long audio loops but for the whole OS X system to work efficiently. >> Will the newest macbook pros be overkill? History has proven that "overkill" doesn't exist in buying computer technology ;-)) As soon as computers in general gets more powerful there will be new audio software available that makes great musical use of these extra CPU cycles. Who doesn't want a better sound? If you can afford it go for the best, but maybe buy it when it is not the "brand new thing". You can even buy "next year's model" with top specifications. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 19:59:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46EF2183477; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5zniQpbQCI2cREm9Cn36SA7npv4QwM5LtEZfCT89dOo=; b=TC64TUuobh4Ryb8Lw8FgaLxuBR8JjwB6BfpddVbJ3e9zHCyoitO4r24u9C+/FwVYU3 wDpnUSuWgVWUAF6DlbrWTWJTWV9YctceaVOm8XWlEfZsEgz+UQwF3r0IWszwZiQGRoZR 2QKUqrIK5IIXIcfzDAEeclDJFe8Y2KOVAGKIA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F0AB6EF.2000106@tiscali.co.uk> References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <4F0AB6EF.2000106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:59:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking OT From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <1DzBPC.A.V3C.Fc0CPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:59:02 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:44 AM, andy butler wrote: >> Greetings from Istanbul >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > hi Per, > check out Selim Sesler while you're there. Hi Andy, Thank you for the hint! I had no chance to check out Selim Sesler though, since I only stayed five days in Istanbul. The first three days we rehearsed and day five was the concert. Then on Sunday I had a few hours free time but I would realize I would have needed several months to get to learn this big and wonderful city of chaos. Posted a sound clip at FB: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150583081956972 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:08:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AADF183489; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0B654B.5090504@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:08:11 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Peters CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Liking/Disliking your own music References: <006601cccea1$e23da8d0$a6b8fa70$@de> In-Reply-To: <006601cccea1$e23da8d0$a6b8fa70$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Talk about beating the swords into plowshares. That's awesome, Michael. I look forward to hearing it. rick On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > .....I played whatever > came up, changing styles often, sometimes with a slightly aggressive > undertone, never happy with the results but hoping that eventually something > useful would appear. Afterwards I was totally frustrated, > ......After two days, I gave in and finally listened to my recording, finding that > while it wasn't technically perfect, I actually quite liked its flow of > ideas, so much that I put it on Bandcamp as a live album:) > http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:25:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A4B6183486; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0B695D.9020601@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:25:33 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music References: <1326129207.195.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1326129207.195.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:25:40 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, bill bigrig wrote: > This one may be way out there but,,, Joe Meek always forced his > musicians/singers to smile while recording. > Even without a window to the studio, he could tell when someone was > not smiling during a take. I've had to chide a few frontmen during > nights when they were giving other players bad looks. It always > improved the performance almost instantly. We had such a bad time with the "flashing 'dirty looks' at someone who'd made a musical mistake" phenomena in that aforementioned New Wave band I was in. What would happen is that , sitting at the back of the band on the drum riser, I could see that people would get angry, the people they were angry with would feel ashamed and the whole vibe of the band would go downhill and sometimes it would affect the entire performance for several songs. Our dynamic was clearly hurting our performances at times. This was a really good, professional and very tight band.......the tightest I've ever had the pleasure to play in and we were headlining ever city we played in at our peak. An idea I came up with to sort this is what I call the 'Monkey Grin'. You know that when monkeys appear to grin that it's a sign that they are angry and very likely to throw shit at you. Humans , however, interpret that kind of a facial expression as approval. You can't necessarily stop the fact that you are irritated with a fellow musician who fucks up after a tremendous amount of rehearsal, but you can suddenly turn to them from across the stage and give them a Monkey Grin if you are angry. The fact is that from across the stage you can't really tell if someone is actually grinning at you, positively ("Hey you fucked up, I can soooo relate " or giving you the angry Monkey grin. It's really, really effective and there's no good reason to show someone you are upset with them in the middle of a performance so why hurt your band by showing your emotions in that instance. Then you add the agreement to not talk about the gig until the next day and this allows you to sort out the problem in a clear and non-reactive way at the next rehearsal. We are human and imperfect so we'll blow it occasionally, but it's became an effective policy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:35:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEFAC18348D; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0B6BC5.5010800@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:35:49 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Nerves on Stage: was Liking/Disliking your own music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:35:56 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans wrote: > On the other hand, I saw Van Morrison at the Greek Theater in Berkeley > a few years ago, and it wasn't one of his better shws. I kept thinking > that glaring at his drummer nonstop (when he wasn't singing) was not > likely to result in an improvement to the groove. If only for side one of Veedon Fleece, I will always love Van Morrison, but he's notorious for being cantankerous. It's interesting because towards the start of his solo career, it's said that he painted his sunglasses black on the back side of the glass because he had such bad stage fright. This was a way that he could put the audience away. I think that judgement of self usually precedes judgement of others. I have really strong stage fright myself, but I've been lucky to be pretty nearsighted. I just try to grin at the blurred faces and even learned a trick from I learned from a substitute teacher: If you are nervous or have stage fright, you just pick a person in the back row of the room and you stare intently at their forehead. In this way you aren't even connecting with the person but you give the illusion that you are intensely connecting with someone in the audience. If my nerves are really getting to me at the start of a performance, I just randomly turn my gaze to someone else's forehead periodically until I get enough 'into' the peformance that my anxiety lessens and I become more present with the music. This is one reason why I like to have a planned opening and a planned closing to my shows, even if they are completely improvised in nature. Doing this can help the performance during the times when you are most susceptible to your nerves. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:09:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAF0218348C; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:09:10 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:07:48 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T and the Eclectics, Jan 14, Outpost 186 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 on Saturday at 8 PM. Dr. T -- Video Projections Dave Bryant -- Keyboard Lou Cohen -- Laptop and Game Controller Andrea Pensado -- Electronics Forbes Graham -- Trumpet My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources a video mixer and effects processors. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. with a piece from the Spring Series at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxBtaJajCkU Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:57:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6393618348E; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UzLQJ+L2x+v5Arp8nqMF2s0iN3ZszPV6p4zfkxtwe3c=; b=cJ3N8h4kQm6lW0uRZNQ0x+aWyA1XsASw0U9jX8KGP7zVVCC/bp+ZzFUT65t13RHlIT AgT9+9W1ndyOv9f+qgZOskRO3HRqeFPa6InEhVo1jqVPGM+AHjX4RtlnBkP4iRCiUYJG x7cZ0/RJBagWYoRs6CtP6ewkWrRsyK/05o+JA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:57:44 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: FS/SPAM: Native Instrument Reaktor Boxed From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:57:45 +0000 (UTC) I have a boxed version of Reaktor 5 for sale. Unregistered, box, manual, cd, etc. Looking for $175. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 04:19:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3522618348E; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 97866.71983.bm@omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326169187; bh=scypoJxbYYU1j0zUSUgddC6jo2nC8IWfAMDSod20/U4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=T1wQpdRMstENv9WZ/VjXoQ2Hs3b+8NxtSvJl//x1v3dg6H2TVXHlEd9OCMZO5s7dNS/mvV6o5vx6O6+jI2o7Fhr/QvlgWRUP6kQyU6DXWDaiugRKiimsP+kIh3Zyz2wEGj4/rTLxmvG6997YzLwosbpFiX0y/EgOPsAZab92Ilk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 7kIl.t0VM1m409KXZOWKbsjKhEgsd97NBWj5BKLXnJGPa3O TwYSYoOTVyzUV1G8N6lup4Fh9VIivCa.I0J39fhgR0EfHiGnXiX1zCS8Q.gk q81ARJQkMBk9z1SPoRaLpbf4n_e9oMXKqo5Vwcz4o6SELGRK4htlZlzD5H6s 71H4XxnG9RzZDvlA0ATrruYoypl9dncHYS8t_es1E4U0YV.1bGJWf3gqyrgg ssKzUOXgqQAp3Bz.L.Oacg5dq6Qcj_cT.Tt3VlBjoT3wfzhtfBC5h9E4n.6y HTwqQsCmJP2jVmoIWSwb9opeKsJrlrLEjlOv.XjP8NCelfqeV6G0lVL7hUa7 OmyYbUeA0PxbNqXLLDI0JougILWi13OXm0LJUiyd8agccSE_ErHyfwgmkVUg xGdTzFVqSs7gum8Ja_BxwB9Y- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <74B265C3-695D-4023-9188-58AAA622E635@carlsonarts.com> From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Old Mainstage version? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:19:46 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Hey, how do I get a copy of the old version of Mainstage, now that there is a Mainstage 2? I don't really want the new features, and I assume the old one is less demanding of CPU, or at least will run on my older OSX version. Michael (3x09) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 08:45:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E112518348C; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Rxpyss6ahzJskUMLgGHlA1Ffhfthj2tiZOcTiE0hj9Y=; b=Z/jvIFxpRAwWlWtauF+thfPQkI/Jv3XiIU3tszpe6C6y0dKGw9cngIqDq43UtujmL6 cZ2d4F26DgYksvDugBfhuOt/Spv6iDjMwoySC9xrtSH+Wq2jMyp1ykmwal/+DsE1oySr szowfFjDjhYzlIqA65izHxwLEvln39DBpTN8s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <74B265C3-695D-4023-9188-58AAA622E635@carlsonarts.com> References: <74B265C3-695D-4023-9188-58AAA622E635@carlsonarts.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 09:45:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Old Mainstage version? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:45:05 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:19 AM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Hey, how do I get a copy of the old version of Mainstage, now that there = is > a Mainstage 2? =C2=A0I don't really want the new features, and I assume t= he old > one is less demanding of CPU, or at least will run on my older OSX versio= n. Hi Michael, As far as I know the only way to get an old version would be to install it from the Logic Studio Pro DVD. Can be tricky as this product is not sold anymore. Myself I stayed on Mainstage 1.0.1 (2007 Macbook) for one and a half year after Mainstage 2.0 was introduced. But regarding CPU efficiency I'm finding MS 2.2 much less hungry than MS 2.x when using an i7 MBP (it seems the two cores as two processors and if having the four core machine it sees it as four processors - something I didn't think would be possible to achieve with live input audio but I guess Apple has found a way to divide coding between functions that work in real-time and can be optimized and code that needs fixed input data? Just a guess.) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 13:56:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4524118348D; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:56:18 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <4F0AB6EF.2000106@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20120110135618.60250@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <4F0AB6EF.2000106@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking OT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+9DmNVyVq9ghOnr2IBcumP8qKlK5Pt0YqfvydVnP rd4ejUHE/RIirVfUVGXB2JC72bHry0DvBwCQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 1SZ+b+12eSEqUsh4kHUhmeh+IGRvb8A1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:56:22 +0000 (UTC) > hi Per, > check out Selim Sesler while you're there. Yes, Selim Sesler is absolutely brilliant clarinet player. Have fun in Istanbul! Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 14:02:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39A1183492; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 859225.37304.bm@omp1051.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326204150; bh=kAonkN9cklIJqVBcvVUpKtcYeMgy2x5kdD13S9QFHbw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iSn5JTlaMYAV1Lmigop9zYwN1lln+3OsY4UcjhshDC9eOr+fqzrI1g2yINI9KUGolVH7IsqZTN69jWxTs8NpPSJLWqNRItSbg+r6qsJRNHQN6DB9lIoHqmlNMCaFBMTwb/1BapbLqxwhwvPW58gCpkraZzg5yfm8dTBK8tqKzeQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5a8BJ2pH0NpDe7MonUVHgSVuiwEkQo/G45H8/VeRqc1giXqEAgnCvH3VKFbHPVqqcAcm84dFdJc/eJcQFPqs5EOGHx1AgF77XfpIwBFMtW17B8jOuSZvx8fh5feFgNsUipq9bmR5NEqrOD+o18h1JHwmguN/QVhka42ZAm5B/8M=; X-YMail-OSG: b9JjQZEVM1maZt_8_yqNH0Ipj2otDTf8Bai0SS4J3AkpCis SJJDMBX96De8w_lp9PPY1wuhN1KA7DCtkU5i48S4EJCs6vZnl_6Sd78kJXBY jzOc8qzQ7HI4tmmhpaPXxc80b9PceVlP4RpuOKwNxJprhGbihF2MpERv42YN HbHQ6Qk_JFniHs0fWD.cGj.Gqlv6t9PJ05aZwjbY_LB_l358.q3mJXV1V2L3 _fh40SdDSFmLWJt6O_EU3B1t9oW978oBpBFf_QNvampJimiTv3O062adfUKM ugw.BXhcFejbWRX6MSrEwheXkZHGuxh7DfUYSxdkYCiz1zKLDL.Y5Xx0FkqZ _6Vozp0TUILPk0QPhp5Wy_BgAvxZrAyCZIP9uP0MXu8gyaS6vXuzR4AK1Kx1 yWXHncQ19EW3FflA1oZBT1jSsHKCu55fAZbNB7cKFNdN2XahbQ3j48ZGoLp7 GyNuT4gxPqFjEXjMimiXlXmwp X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <4F0B6BC5.5010800@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1326204150.85970.YahooMailNeo@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:02:30 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Nerves on Stage: was Liking/Disliking your own music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F0B6BC5.5010800@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-495408613-822879592-1326204150=:85970" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:02:31 +0000 (UTC) ---495408613-822879592-1326204150=:85970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He also sang many shows with his back to the audience. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rick Walker =0ATo: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) =0ASent: Monday, January 9, 2012 2:35 PM=0ASubject: Nerves on Stage:= was Liking/Disliking your own music=0A=0AOn 7/22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans w= rote:=0A> On the other hand, I saw Van Morrison at the Greek Theater in Ber= keley a few years ago, and it wasn't one of his better shws. I kept thinkin= g that glaring at his drummer nonstop (when he wasn't singing) was not like= ly to result in an improvement to the groove.=0AIf only for side one of Vee= don Fleece,=A0 I will always love Van Morrison,=0Abut he's notorious for be= ing cantankerous.=0A=0AIt's interesting because towards the start of his so= lo career,=A0 it's said that he painted his sunglasses black=0Aon the back = side of the glass because he had such bad stage fright.=A0 This was a way t= hat he could=0Aput the audience away.=0A=0AI think that judgement of self u= sually precedes judgement of others.=0A=0AI have really strong stage fright= myself, but I've been lucky to be pretty nearsighted.=0AI just try to grin= at the blurred faces and even learned a trick from=0AI learned from a subs= titute teacher:=0A=0AIf you are nervous or have stage fright,=A0 you just p= ick a person in the back row of the room=0Aand you stare intently at their = forehead.=A0 =A0 In this way you aren't even connecting with the person=0Ab= ut you give the illusion that you are intensely connecting with someone in = the audience.=0A=0AIf my nerves are really getting to me at the start of a = performance, I just randomly turn my gaze=0Ato someone else's forehead peri= odically until I get enough 'into' the peformance that my=0Aanxiety lessens= and I become more present with the music.=0A=0AThis is one reason why I li= ke to have a planned opening and a planned closing to my shows,=0Aeven if t= hey are completely improvised in nature.=0A=0ADoing this can help the perfo= rmance during the times when you are most susceptible=0Ato your nerves.=0A= =0Arick walker ---495408613-822879592-1326204150=:85970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He also sang many shows with his back to the audience.=0D
Rig
<= span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From: Rick Walker <looppool@= cruzio.com>
To: LOO= PERS DELIGHT (posting) <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
= Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012= 2:35 PM
Subject: Nerv= es on Stage: was Liking/Disliking your own music
=0AOn 7= /22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans wrote:
> On the other hand, I saw Van Mor= rison at the Greek Theater in Berkeley a few years ago, and it wasn't one o= f his better shws. I kept thinking that glaring at his drummer nonstop (whe= n he wasn't singing) was not likely to result in an improvement to the groo= ve.
If only for side one of Veedon Fleece,  I will always love Van = Morrison,
but he's notorious for being cantankerous.

It's interes= ting because towards the start of his solo career,  it's said that he = painted his sunglasses black
on the back side of the glass because he ha= d such bad stage fright.  This was a way that he could
put the audi= ence away.

I think that judgement of self usually precedes judgement= of others.

I have really strong stage fright myself, but I've been = lucky to be pretty nearsighted.
I just try to grin at the blurred faces = and even learned a trick from
I learned from a substitute teacher:

If you are nervous or have stage fright,  you just pi= ck a person in the back row of the room
and you stare intently at their = forehead.    In this way you aren't even connecting with the pers= on
but you give the illusion that you are intensely connecting with some= one in the audience.

If my nerves are really getting to me at the st= art of a performance, I just randomly turn my gaze
to someone else's for= ehead periodically until I get enough 'into' the peformance that my
anxi= ety lessens and I become more present with the music.

This is one re= ason why I like to have a planned opening and a planned closing to my shows= ,
even if they are completely improvised in nature.

Doing this ca= n help the performance during the times when you are most susceptible
to= your nerves.

rick walker



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Play it twice, it's acomposition". Rig ________________________________ From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, richard sales wrote: > Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes that > follow that make them bad. How true! I have nothing to add. Well, maybe that this proves that it is all about listening. Greetings from Istanbul Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen ---1118611504-686945751-1326215608=:58456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii ---1118611504-686945751-1326215608=:58456-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 17:50:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B477183496; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=WpX19xpi5z/KeYTVENGzGlwWLSFS3s39k/PiJtUm4SU=; b=bk3tf/DyeXfzCTkvUcYZYZlK1iMZ/WqluAVnF+0ST7H0w6BIJKrZ7kvRx1sf0GVWcY 4leyODLBomxTzXIU7/9QrdQVvbdcMo3Q+j2lZq3csZRsziQo7lD0VyrFVYVdGkUxV0Sm 2NolVO94XsVaBPHzI3TEKx21KfloDuVbhHIKY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1326215608.58456.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1326215608.58456.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:50:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f68B1h_pca2vxc4RsbCTLcZT4xE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music From: daniel To: bill bigrig Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016a911ea79604b630265b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:50:23 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04016a911ea79604b630265b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hahaha i love that Zappa quote! On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Frank Zappa once said, "play a mistake once, it's a mistake. Play it > twice, it's acomposition". > Rig > > *From:* Per Boysen > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: Liking/Disliking your own music > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, richard sales > wrote: > > Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes that > > follow that make them bad. > > > How true! I have nothing to add. Well, maybe that this proves that it > is all about listening. > > Greetings from Istanbul > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > --f46d04016a911ea79604b630265b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hahaha i love that Zappa quote!

On Tue, = Jan 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Frank Zappa once said, "play a mistake once, it= 9;s a mistake. Play it twice, it's acomposition".
Rig

From: Per Boysen <<= a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com= >
To: Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 201= 2 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Li= king/Disliking your own music

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM,= richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
> Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the not= es that
> follow that make them bad.


How true! I have nothing to add. Well, maybe tha= t this proves that it
is all about listening.

Greetings from Ista= nbul

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--f46d04016a911ea79604b630265b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 18:12:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA92118349A; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=CSPmLwrO82Qvi1PZsT5BfO+BQYFFDeCke8Y+837uygw=; b=XCLMvJnMeNM4EFjhd1mdL3+elvmkmEnG3kFMdVmLVECW8kfkSFN2CB6OW4lObu9HH0 9IPt5SvBml+nxrLPDzdxTNzT3ySb9yOP6reakVbSAz/O5OQeFo2IhoeuxjDTHFUq+Syu uj0bKxYMnImCd2e/YPHSMBp50BBHnIMoJjk8I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wackazong@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1326215608.58456.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ander Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:11:59 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UDwa9fBeeymUTMQPNBTc0qmT0Hs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:12:41 +0000 (UTC) My teacher always told me: If you play wrong, play strong. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 6:50 PM, daniel wrote: > hahaha i love that Zappa quote! > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, bill bigrig wrote: >> >> Frank Zappa once said, "play a mistake once, it's a mistake. Play it >> twice, it's acomposition". >> Rig >> >> From: Per Boysen >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music >> >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, richard sales >> wrote: >> > Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes >> > that >> > follow that make them bad. >> >> >> How true! I have nothing to add. Well, maybe that this proves that it >> is all about listening. >> >> Greetings from Istanbul >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 18:35:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6EAD18349F; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=R5sN16ArIT/v5pHu18kZQpu01n+Glaph3cBn/Qazt+U=; b=JNnbmzONz8WPWAXB8BkqY+PcGvEEX8FBRqG2DIA54iJgFVmW4tNoIqTHh8NL0hgaGI gUMCChjm2j+q9i/UPm6kx/UVLKx9Kt4Hq0YlA8nlS3ws40phSylnP4OxizKWOZ2gLL8Q JLHOdiRuXmRa+OWNQjmtkkaaTmERXCxTYHs8k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1326215608.58456.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:35:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3aZPuVWN7vDPNdb7giuVocL-Jl4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe33a81900b604b630c7e0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:35:23 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe33a81900b604b630c7e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i like that, too i'm going to use that with my students, now. thanks! On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Ander wrote: > My teacher always told me: If you play wrong, play strong. > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 6:50 PM, daniel wrote: > > hahaha i love that Zappa quote! > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, bill bigrig > wrote: > >> > >> Frank Zappa once said, "play a mistake once, it's a mistake. Play it > >> twice, it's acomposition". > >> Rig > >> > >> From: Per Boysen > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:23 PM > >> Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, richard sales > >> wrote: > >> > Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes > >> > that > >> > follow that make them bad. > >> > >> > >> How true! I have nothing to add. Well, maybe that this proves that it > >> is all about listening. > >> > >> Greetings from Istanbul > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> > > > > --e0cb4efe33a81900b604b630c7e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i like that, too
i'm going to use that with my students, now. thanks!

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Ander <ander@ander.fm> wrote:
My teacher always told me: If you play wrong, play strong.


On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 6:50 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
> hahaha i love that Zappa quote!
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Frank Zappa once said, "play a mistake once, it's a mistake. Play it
>> twice, it's acomposition".
>> Rig
>>
>> From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes
>> > that
>> > follow that make them bad.
>>
>>
>> How true! I have nothing to add. Well, maybe that this proves that it
>> is all about listening.
>>
>> Greetings from Istanbul
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>>
>


--e0cb4efe33a81900b604b630c7e0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 21:18:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7863E1834A3; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GY58uWg1abXtvdTP9V5r5H6iXFHREWL20w9jbSOXa5I=; b=EPl2OHu48Q5Cd7i9pK1cK4aIIucgN11TtCtGi21e6TJVKyU3NGVN+JOEXhiOglKtnG psRqf6DEkNz03xVIxb2ZcObDcnFwSwQaoMuZmmGBU4xJIf+vI10w23pBdYUb13FUDFS6 i/knIU8/589/26SXcP64Wk5d9TnaQv4Puyfk4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:18:55 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: LP2s and power sources From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:18:57 +0000 (UTC) I'm still trying to solve the power source question for my LP-2. Has anyone found a power source that works well? I've tried about 5 different ones so far. I believe they were 150 mA, 200 mA, 300 mA, 500 mA and 800 mA. So far one of 2 things happens: --The loop is very quiet and buggy - like a low bitrate and missing the attack of each sound. --Or as soon as I hit the "Play" button after recording a loop, I get a very loud burst of white noise until I turn it off. I tried using a 9v battery and the pedal was completely dead - probably because the 9v battery is dead. I really don't like using batteries because I burn through them too quickly - even rechargeables. If anyone found a power source that definitely works, I'd like to know what it is. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 21:27:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50B7F1834A7; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Cc: References: <0D85D682-CD67-4992-BFEE-24BBE2EEFD88@gmail.com> <000701ccce2a$f5c04ab0$e140e010$@comcast.net> <1326215608.58456.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:27:13 -0600 Message-ID: <007c01cccfde$a00d5760$e0280620$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01CCCFAC.5572E760" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQDsHDFSByEa5B8YD5i7sj7Cm0QkEwD45FswAo3k3xUBmio7YABoQqRZAqInygIBlgRE7QLdw4UOl2KLf2A= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:27:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01CCCFAC.5572E760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ander, You didn't play in band in Wisconsin, did you? From: danielhlevine@gmail.com [mailto:danielhlevine@gmail.com] On Behalf Of daniel Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music i like that, too i'm going to use that with my students, now. thanks! On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Ander wrote: My teacher always told me: If you play wrong, play strong. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 6:50 PM, daniel wrote: > hahaha i love that Zappa quote! > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, bill bigrig wrote: >> >> Frank Zappa once said, "play a mistake once, it's a mistake. Play it >> twice, it's acomposition". >> Rig >> >> From: Per Boysen >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music >> >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, richard sales >> wrote: >> > Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes >> > that >> > follow that make them bad. >> >> >> How true! I have nothing to add. Well, maybe that this proves that it >> is all about listening. >> >> Greetings from Istanbul >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> > ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01CCCFAC.5572E760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ander, You didn't play in band in Wisconsin, did = you?

 

From:= = danielhlevine@gmail.com [mailto:danielhlevine@gmail.com] On Behalf Of = daniel
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:35 = PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: Liking/Disliking your own music

 

i like that, too
i'm going to use that = with my students, now. thanks!

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Ander <ander@ander.fm> = wrote:

My teacher always told me: If = you play wrong, play strong.



On Tue, Jan 10, = 2012 at 6:50 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org>= wrote:
> hahaha i love that Zappa quote!
>
> On Tue, = Jan 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> = wrote:
>>
>> Frank Zappa once said, "play a = mistake once, it's a mistake. Play it
>> twice, it's = acomposition".
>> Rig
>>
>> From: Per = Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
>&g= t; To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:23 = PM
>> Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own = music
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, richard = sales <richard@glasswing.com>
&g= t;> wrote:
>> > Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are = no bad notes, it's the notes
>> > that
>> > = follow that make them bad.
>>
>>
>> How true! = I have nothing to add. Well, maybe that this proves that it
>> = is all about listening.
>>
>> Greetings from = Istanbul
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>= ;>
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------=_NextPart_000_007D_01CCCFAC.5572E760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 21:58:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70C761834A8; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=iBUNvo3IKjO4zPHYy5HpDnwc0XpjitzYs56Wa7aNnt8= c=1 sm=2 a=wTb4TOh_S4QA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=xqOU0VjwztJzpJFSv5gA:9 a=DS9FaH_B5cRya61j_BsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=jq48Psqn_5kLqD-3iDUA:9 a=EemSYXXcLfX_i7LMffYA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.205.208 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-33157111 Subject: Re: Nerves on Stage: was Liking/Disliking your own music Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:58:27 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4F0B6BC5.5010800@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4F0B6BC5.5010800@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <46595477-CF9C-4D35-B6A6-A03DC4806745@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <9lWErC.A.0HD.GSLDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-33157111 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've heard Paul McCartney used to throw up before very big gigs.=20 That bit of knowledge always gave me courage and hope. He did okay. All of us have some level stage fright, regardless of interior/exterior = achievement, preparation etc. But, for me, it goes away the more I = perform live. Always when starting a tour I'm totally terrified, = tweaking and retweaking my equipment, my mind, my lack of outfit, pacing = like a first day prisoner. After five or six gigs it goes away. After = a bunch, it pretty much evaporates. =20 But after a long lull, it starts over like I was a tin horn rookie all = over again. =20 When it's really bad, I tell myself it will all be over in an hour or = two. =20 Some of my best performances have been in the severe stage fright phase. = But sometimes, after the relaxation sets in, heaven pours out of the = speakers and The Creator and/or Creation (pick a name) smiles and I can = feel it. I live and do what I do for those rare moments in studio, on = stage, practicing, writing. The trick of focusing on someone in the audience definitely helps. If = you have a friend in the audience, focus on him her.=20 I never practice day of gig. Sound check yes, but never offstage. Some = guys do scales etc, which is probably smart. Always when I practice, it = seems to jinx the gig. The more elaborate my setup, the greater the terror. The least likely = to implode tinhorn days are when I take just guitar, wah and Magnatone = 213.=20 I've been performing onstage since around 1962 - from huge audiences to = a handful of folks. Size doesn't matter unless the above mentioned = Heaven event happens. Then it all gets magnified. A peak experience = to say the least. Finally, a great help is motivation. If I can find some higher or more = meaningful motivation for being onstage, that helps regardless of what = phase I'm in.=20 Long story... maybe for later! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans wrote: >> On the other hand, I saw Van Morrison at the Greek Theater in = Berkeley a few years ago, and it wasn't one of his better shws. I kept = thinking that glaring at his drummer nonstop (when he wasn't singing) = was not likely to result in an improvement to the groove. > If only for side one of Veedon Fleece, I will always love Van = Morrison, > but he's notorious for being cantankerous. >=20 > It's interesting because towards the start of his solo career, it's = said that he painted his sunglasses black > on the back side of the glass because he had such bad stage fright. = This was a way that he could > put the audience away. >=20 > I think that judgement of self usually precedes judgement of others. >=20 > I have really strong stage fright myself, but I've been lucky to be = pretty nearsighted. > I just try to grin at the blurred faces and even learned a trick from > I learned from a substitute teacher: >=20 > If you are nervous or have stage fright, you just pick a person in = the back row of the room > and you stare intently at their forehead. In this way you aren't = even connecting with the person > but you give the illusion that you are intensely connecting with = someone in the audience. >=20 > If my nerves are really getting to me at the start of a performance, I = just randomly turn my gaze > to someone else's forehead periodically until I get enough 'into' the = peformance that my > anxiety lessens and I become more present with the music. >=20 > This is one reason why I like to have a planned opening and a planned = closing to my shows, > even if they are completely improvised in nature. >=20 > Doing this can help the performance during the times when you are most = susceptible > to your nerves. >=20 > rick walker >=20 --Apple-Mail-2-33157111 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I've = heard Paul McCartney used to throw up before very big = gigs. 

Frank Zappa once said, "play a mistake once, it's a mistake. Play it twice, it's acomposition".
Rig

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Liking/Disliking your own music

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
> Miles Davis said, paraphrase, There are no bad notes, it's the notes that
> follow that make them bad.


How true! I have nothing to add. Well, maybe that this proves that it
is all about listening.

Greetings from Istanbul

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen



That bit of knowledge always gave me = courage and hope. He did okay.

All of us have = some level stage fright, regardless of interior/exterior achievement, = preparation etc.  But, for me, it goes away the more I perform = live.  Always when starting a tour I'm totally terrified, tweaking = and retweaking my equipment, my mind, my lack of outfit, pacing like a = first day prisoner.  After five or six gigs it goes away. =  After a bunch, it pretty much evaporates. =  

But after a long lull, it starts over = like I was a tin horn rookie all over again. =  

When it's really bad, I tell myself it = will all be over in an hour or two.  

Some = of my best performances have been in the severe stage fright phase. =  But sometimes, after the relaxation sets in, heaven pours out of = the speakers and The Creator and/or Creation (pick a name) smiles and I = can feel it.  I live and do what I do for those rare moments in = studio, on stage, practicing, writing.

The = trick of focusing on someone in the audience definitely helps.  If = you have a friend in the audience, focus on him = her. 

I never practice day of gig. Sound = check yes, but never offstage.  Some guys do scales etc, which is = probably smart.  Always when I practice, it seems to jinx the = gig.

The more elaborate my setup, the greater = the terror.  The least likely to implode tinhorn days are when I = take just guitar, wah and Magnatone = 213. 

I've been performing onstage since = around 1962 - from huge audiences to a handful of folks.  Size = doesn't matter unless the above mentioned Heaven event happens. =  Then it all gets magnified.   A peak experience to say the = least.

Finally, a great help is motivation. =  If I can find some higher or more meaningful motivation for being = onstage, that helps regardless of what phase I'm = in. 

Long story... maybe for = later!

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

On = 7/22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans wrote:
On the = other hand, I saw Van Morrison at the Greek Theater in Berkeley a few = years ago, and it wasn't one of his better shws. I kept thinking that = glaring at his drummer nonstop (when he wasn't singing) was not likely = to result in an improvement to the groove.
If only for = side one of Veedon Fleece,  I will always love Van Morrison,
but = he's notorious for being cantankerous.

It's interesting because = towards the start of his solo career,  it's said that he painted = his sunglasses black
on the back side of the glass because he had = such bad stage fright.  This was a way that he could
put the = audience away.

I think that judgement of self usually precedes = judgement of others.

I have really strong stage fright myself, = but I've been lucky to be pretty nearsighted.
I just try to grin at = the blurred faces and even learned a trick from
I learned from a = substitute teacher:

If you are nervous or have stage fright, =  you just pick a person in the back row of the room
and you = stare intently at their forehead.    In this way you = aren't even connecting with the person
but you give the illusion that = you are intensely connecting with someone in the audience.

If my = nerves are really getting to me at the start of a performance, I just = randomly turn my gaze
to someone else's forehead periodically until I = get enough 'into' the peformance that my
anxiety lessens and I become = more present with the music.

This is one reason why I like to = have a planned opening and a planned closing to my shows,
even if = they are completely improvised in nature.

Doing this can help the = performance during the times when you are most susceptible
to your = nerves.

rick = walker


= --Apple-Mail-2-33157111-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 22:20:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4566D1834A5; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Nerves on Stage: was Liking/Disliking your own music Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <46595477-CF9C-4D35-B6A6-A03DC4806745@glasswing.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:19:59 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F0B6BC5.5010800@cruzio.com> <46595477-CF9C-4D35-B6A6-A03DC4806745@glasswing.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:20:09 +0000 (UTC) I don't know how you guys do it with all these nerves and terrors. I dealt with stage fright many years ago, before a gig that was going to = be attended by a lot of people who knew me as something other than a = musician (journalist, radio programmer). I told myself I love making = music and that the only way out of this situation was to go forward and = give it my very best shot. That was the last time I ever let stage = fright impede me. It's really important to enjoy your music-making. If you aren't doing = so, it's harder for others to do so. So enjoy yourself! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 23:57:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75981834A9; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4F0CD052.0083,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=TYqOupU+thQw9kvhTokMlUsZnahgEuSZDWfbabzTYLc= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4j6ucW-DUS3WWRBgSIkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: RE: LP2s and power sources Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:56:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CCCFB0.7C744490" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AczP3XhN+pdIaeZcT2GO1GNMPHIxzQAFdcIg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:57:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CCCFB0.7C744490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still waiting to be contacted-not a peep since I paid in full 7 months ago. I repeat, not a peep. Anytime is fine, just a generic email would be fine. Sorry about his personal situation, I have problems too, where's my unit. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] I'm still trying to solve the power source question for my LP-2. Has anyone found a power source that works well? ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CCCFB0.7C744490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m still waiting to be contacted—not a peep since I = paid in full 7 months ago.

I repeat, not a peep.

Anytime is fine, just a generic email would be = fine.

Sorry about his personal situation, I have problems too, = where’s my unit.

 

Gary=

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com]

 

I'm still trying to solve the power source question for my LP-2. = Has

anyone found a power source that works well? =

------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CCCFB0.7C744490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 02:03:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50FAC1834AD; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 409717.44879.bm@omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326247381; bh=2YvG8qKbIscFikC0kJn1peWSyo899QLTDZSYWujJjfU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WdY7o+Sj+sjCuRa4KTk7PI44QD41UMB1Xdkadg8vBAvFPG3x67O1Vc4XZCIS5UMBeQg0z6Hs7HyO6TqpahdWlVGl336IZga+njTjcfZ0dYvwPzRGqi6hCkVw/yLvyVANmUMmgmXfupqEYl1spAwrRWhErNTiN6sUYPfB4jMJBpY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LY3UZAWFZZcvWLJMukIm3oRJWZyB2YQhLVxc7205mNQ65c+6dtWSWuNwtNrTN8vmFufuZuJw2ZoxOhYRFfaACmXbs9NnjZEivTTac2EcUPvTFU5qm0Bz/8pPxWIHolxNc61fTxtoNrCrTbp5N2YU0hyUgEg0dy0QFdfQMqS/7bY=; X-YMail-OSG: lnPTivYVM1mdC3slHYMb1wX1FdZdMljJ.zwHlb35wmOt0Mc TCgHJUDq9pN3WTnPaDfw6DVS_eVCf2h4E_l3G9Woi7DrTndQA8IGvIfqro4J fve8Ws9UpNtQSXOw07AUZsP6D3AMgiBSWlUl3KuvrBGZrKp5UlQiNhijWEB8 YkGUuNU6j1rEXLipzy6XJ2KL5Ht4MTooiMf7cTIaVqCxj6ZJ4u8OvQgCEK8C JKYBLP.VCcN9g2rlr84UDyN7XZtOLeMeO8dZvhPdXI3KbMFczCXkzdTvYBA8 XbF6eZVNVeoAan.BNYG9BgQGlHh.yWQjp9mWkJxcTle2g3Hk47QIveVXnO6e 6wHE_IW0TmTuwuooho0aAzC4J3R3qXMkl8oQEkGkBGsjLcwBc.2ZcEsZzSxW eMCf2R1VevoyLEFT5CdBauZVNMxkUlhjqkAeuRPnatJxWV_cYGGqOLcCIy95 Ng4FDXCU0jwhBjB07j7fz6IzGekI- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: Message-ID: <1326247379.26463.YahooMailNeo@web180104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:02:59 -0800 (PST) From: Derek Doss Reply-To: Derek Doss Subject: Re: LP2s and power sources To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="30101251-474497848-1326247379=:26463" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:03:03 +0000 (UTC) --30101251-474497848-1326247379=:26463 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's seems weird that it's not written on the thing what the power requirem= ents are.=0APet peeve of mine...acquired from my buddy who works at Voodoo = Labs. That's what's annoying about Boss.=0A=0A-D.O.D.=0A=0A________________= ________________=0A From: Clayton Gary Lehmann =0ATo: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:56 PM=0ASu= bject: RE: LP2s and power sources=0A =0A=0A =0AI=E2=80=99m still waiting to= be contacted=E2=80=94not a peep since I paid=0Ain full 7 months ago.=0AI r= epeat, not a peep.=0AAnytime is fine, just a generic email would be fine.= =0ASorry about his personal situation, I have problems too, where=E2=80=99s= =0Amy unit.=0A=C2=A0=0AGary=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A-----Original Message-----= =0AFrom: Matt Davignon [mailto: mattdavignon@gmail.com ] =0A=C2=A0=0AI'm st= ill trying to solve the power source question for my LP-2. Has=0Aanyone fou= nd a power source that works well? --30101251-474497848-1326247379=:26463 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's seems weird that it's = not written on the thing what the power requirements are.
Pet pee= ve of mine...acquired from my buddy who works at Voodoo Labs. That's what's= annoying about Boss.

-D.O.D.
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--30101251-474497848-1326247379=:26463-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:02:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6101834AD; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O28aKuhl6jBeAA1cjZ8NE8HMBOu9ZDYJNumau+lhmnM=; b=OgutIDl55CgLA2ZjF4nZKyVuM0U+xvdF9J7+qmjS1lx6OhdgvFWvjUJ8J2FNyMJ8Fs wXTu2yAx27C4IIMZXxXflbBhq6O5FtVTa+Pu2E3de8M0anO+ccQYeRxX2hSCnOGaGMP5 wbkNMYIDRzYxjvmb4J9/o0QVUos5F/aecaYbk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:02:03 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138a67c51ebe04b638b157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:02:04 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138a67c51ebe04b638b157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing beatpads? Like in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.Whats a way to get more fluid sorta like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE7GHgbmlP0&feature=youtube_gdata_player --f46d04138a67c51ebe04b638b157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing beatpad= s? Like in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.Whats= a way to get more fluid sorta like this? http://www.youtu= be.com/watch?v=3DtE7GHgbmlP0&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player

--f46d04138a67c51ebe04b638b157-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:06:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCD881834AD; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mnB+wB2VTASAw6sbnmh/nboyAlRZXw8CeBxhFaCNFKA=; b=EE2vCnV4f3ng653xl/acIAIbxvqJVwCoGywOEq2LX3hV6XNJ8NLZr4O3TmjEzUdCMh accPg+t3W04MlQIY9xDJFnimwHso9NgpHtFJmJe3yvpw91ou+81/eIKkBDEBRlG0an2h IxSV+bMGZ1GRq5Gi3BrOSEO82mDLB/TwK8Sg8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:06:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f615610f204b638c2e5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:06:42 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340f615610f204b638c2e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 can you read notation of any kind? On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:02 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing beatpads? > Like in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.Whats a > way to get more fluid sorta like this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE7GHgbmlP0&feature=youtube_gdata_player > -- If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) --14dae9340f615610f204b638c2e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can you read notation of any kind?

On Tue= , Jan 10, 2012 at 11:02 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing beatpad= s? Like in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.Whats= a way to get more fluid sorta like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtE7GHgbmlP0&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_= player




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--14dae9340f615610f204b638c2e5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:17:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D33921834B0; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0D0D39.6050008@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:16:57 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard sales CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Nerves on Stage: was Liking/Disliking your own music References: <46595477-CF9C-4D35-B6A6-A03DC4806745@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <46595477-CF9C-4D35-B6A6-A03DC4806745@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2ZbfOC.A.-KH.B1QDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:17:05 +0000 (UTC) about stage fright, richard sales wrote: > > When it's really bad, I tell myself it will all be over in an hour or > two. A therapist once hipped me to a cool fact about fear of failure and fear of judgement. She said that when you experience that fear, it is always the fear of being both judged and abandoned by people (the audience, even yourself). The fact of the matter is, though, the pain and emotional discomfort of feeling that fear is the worst consequence of that abandonment. So a good thing to tell oneself is 'I've already felt the worst thing that could possibly happen', so it's not really necessary to keep staying there." I don't know, but I use that like a mantra when I'm afraid before a gig. Next subject...........what are ways we sabotage ourselves onstage, preparing for a gig. I'll start that one in the next thread. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:26:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACBB61834B1; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:26:35 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , RICK WALKER , GMAIL SAVES Subject: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:26:46 +0000 (UTC) The thread on stage fright got me to thinking about ways that I unconsciously sabotage my public performances or at least things to think about to insure a better performance. One of my biggest ones is that I'm a techo-phile and I will frequently hit the stage with a new piece of gear that I don't really undertand fully. I keep doing it because there are some artistic advantages to doing this. One is that the new sounds that surprise one (and even the technological challenges of dealing with the consequences of equipment or routing meltdowns) throw new challenges that frequently end up in interesting things, still I do this over and over and keep having gigs with little to big meltdown experiences. Another silly one for me is that I love to use dayglo stage chords (line, midi, ac, etc.) and the fact of the matter is that frequently these chords are not as well made as the best chords in the industry. One way I get around it is to make sure that I test chords BEFORE a gig. Even cheap chords will work when they are new. They also serve the advantage of allowing me to see my somewhat complex signal flow on the stage under low light situations, but still..........I could use right now to completely replace all of my dayglo orange mic chords and midi chords..........that could be up to a couple hundred dollars worth of custom chords. Lastly, there are times when I want to show the audience all the things I can do musically.... ....to show off my entire skill set. This is a total mistake from my experience and frequently leads to a show that is too ambitious (particularly in terms of time for set up). I keep wanting to do it, though, so I struggle with it. It's really pure petty ego and I know it, but I also have a tendency to forget things like that in the insecurity of a performance. I've been told by many people that some of their favorite shows of mine were when my main gear broke down and I suddenly had to rely only on my creativity, a few weird instruments and a Line 6 DL-4. the important thing is being present..............being musical...............doing things that really delight oneself and finally, having fun doing it. Everything gets good when we are able to do that, despite what equipment we take on stage. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:36:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BECC61834B1; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Rv9QW6MFi10MJMiz9IhclUDpYwIOHfE46iSk4P/a0C8=; b=DtTekoDn82E5GU50zjuDfIVvk+MVbWKvcOGaxfZcfz+DAOjUCoZl9SylCU7SSoojIx aIwa7cnJSLoR45uLZFXnhx9xK0t8a/9F456+YBb9on6lrLmz1/sAtCg/BgmqDgZik03b x09DfJQYGf8qu8Q3J18EIPAwltnLC/Q9sDO/s= Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) References: From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26FD723D-596F-46C9-A2D3-6AC0FAAC9F77 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <415B2B75-F211-4A20-8A22-34F36B671EB3@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:36:25 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:36:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-26FD723D-596F-46C9-A2D3-6AC0FAAC9F77 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah I play piano and can read bass & treble clef. Dont know much at all abo= ut any of the other clefs though. Sent from my iPod On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:06 PM, william middlemiss w= rote: > can you read notation of any kind? >=20 > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:02 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote= : > I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing beatpads? Lik= e in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.Whats a way t= o get more fluid sorta like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtE7GHgbml= P0&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsib= ility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occ= ur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree w= hich is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my tim= e may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the conditio= n that you respect mine. >=20 > Best wishes, Billy >=20 > (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy di= minishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intent= ions from which this signature was created.) >=20 --Apple-Mail-26FD723D-596F-46C9-A2D3-6AC0FAAC9F77 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Yeah I play piano and can read bass & treble clef. Dont know much at all about any of the other clefs though.

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:06 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:

can you read notation of any kind?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:02 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing beatpads? Like in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.Whats a way to get more fluid sorta like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE7GHgbmlP0&feature=youtube_gdata_player




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Best wishes, Billy

(I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.)

--Apple-Mail-26FD723D-596F-46C9-A2D3-6AC0FAAC9F77-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:41:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E048B1834B5; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QQ+dY2Q+etHGF6WOMKujQ/SLtFo9RHTRWTnNMYBMF6U=; b=hj7TEmfBqwot7vbSZFtfaGW2xJmebWtHOSH7Y0DZRYi6ucd5biPIaclxNPu90PJktL KKLX88KCP8MBitLO006+o6zAaD2btt39Gafi2rzxw9HjKjy450biZ5NixoGuL2mWAgof Gk6/XrAhJxL0EOjiTNDBjTCHEzuenUT52Ednw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <415B2B75-F211-4A20-8A22-34F36B671EB3@gmail.com> References: <415B2B75-F211-4A20-8A22-34F36B671EB3@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f618fc81904b6393d65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:41:09 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340f618fc81904b6393d65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Alright, if you can visualize rhythms, then look for notation. All of those rules for modulations and whatnot in western harmony have analogs in the rhythm world. Think tension/release...then think what makes tension. Its all about pulse. Its also about density. Its also about consistency. If you need feel/rhythmic understanding- go find the nearest western African percussion ensemble and join or take lessons from the leader. (Im entirely serious) --14dae9340f618fc81904b6393d65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alright, if you can visualize rhythms, then look for notation. All of those= rules for modulations and whatnot in western harmony have analogs in the r= hythm world. Think tension/release...then think what makes tension. Its all= about pulse. Its also about density. Its also about consistency.

If you need feel/rhythmic understanding- go find the nearest= western African percussion ensemble and join or take lessons from the lead= er. (Im entirely serious)


--14dae9340f618fc81904b6393d65-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:45:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C52E21834BA; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 905 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:45:54 UTC X-BigFish: PS0(zzzz1202hzzz2fhc1ahc1bh2a8h668h839h944h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.55.61.13;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0404HT003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail57-db3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.55.61.13 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.55.61.13; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=CH1PRD0404HT003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , RICK WALKER , GMAIL SAVES Subject: RE: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances Thread-Topic: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances Thread-Index: AQHM0Bk9U5C/Bqw2skiSG9mt8zA7q5YGktT5 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:30:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A7124BC07B@CH1PRD0404MB134.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.168.34] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <9QXdsB.A.3xH.CQRDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:45:54 +0000 (UTC) =0A= Too much absinthe and Swisher Sweets.=0A= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:47:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FDEF1834BC; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Tn/PyNLmk5b+sz9wArov++b3K4IJs+azbik15KNqFz4=; b=LTII2wRDGl9RfDieUKYoRN/6p7E74rJR7IYDwgCobmd1l7uaNeDtIHvTxWLSgyxUZc B6JyAmfLoFREs+FpQXE+IbzJWcgYA++MJbP3lw6hHkQAljMrEWxIh/3UquS3F0HEyYQN qsNvvTr7NU+VZBw90RMMe+lSsyYspFCFbAdFM= Subject: Re: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <0847D02A-3A92-40A6-94CF-6777660D1E11@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:47:40 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:47:44 +0000 (UTC) I know just what u mean. You think you've got it all planned out with perfec= t ideas and a perfect state of mind, then you get to the stage and almost ha= ve trouble remembering your name. I have a habit (when in front of people) o= f tweaking knobs :o My whole setup is laptop-midi based so I dont really have a problem with gea= r failure. But when I'm in front of people I tend to spam the knob FX to mak= e it look like I'm doing a bunch of cool stuff. I lose my focus of the music= and the ability to bring out new musical ideas seems to just stop. I think l= ooping is really more of a practice of mental discipline than anything else,= otherwise it just feels like a hit & miss hobby. That's something I think I= need to work on badly. Sent from my iPod On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > The thread on stage fright got me to thinking about > ways that I unconsciously sabotage my public performances > or at least things to think about to insure a better performance. >=20 >=20 > One of my biggest ones is that I'm a techo-phile and I will frequently hit= > the stage with a new piece of gear that I don't really undertand fully. >=20 > I keep doing it because there are some artistic advantages to doing this. > One is that the new sounds that=20 > Rick Walker >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:49:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A5351834C1; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=2Ft/0BFmQD2eK6bRJD3TGkfLDTavcSlNln8Vds6+wKo=; b=myIUrEZWAxfLL8Vb3/WiquHjWTWp7aDBnlSVQgYyfZShQX99Vcoy3E4MtGxcW3BNd/ zrgwd+Iv0qzQV6bJIGqHuOesLkHfUqqUghTLT02/p9/ZCQP0GpvXRsp+mgjcpNW2znn2 s6Lv0DEwyV1euYMfeme1jegNRvpij9A1RruVE= Subject: Re: Nerves on Stage: was Liking/Disliking your own music References: <46595477-CF9C-4D35-B6A6-A03DC4806745@glasswing.com> <4F0D0D39.6050008@cruzio.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <4F0D0D39.6050008@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <86ECF7A4-A3CB-4211-9D2A-E335D123B0C7@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:49:14 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:49:18 +0000 (UTC) That's a great way to put it. Never thought of that. Sent from my iPod On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > about stage fright, richard sales wrote: >>=20 >> When it's really bad, I tell myself it will all be over in an hour or two= . >=20 >=20 > A therapist once hipped me to a cool fact about fear of failure and fear o= f judgement. >=20 > She said that when you experience that fear, it is always the fear of bein= g both judged and abandoned > by people (the audience, even yourself). >=20 > The fact of the matter is, though, the pain and emotional discomfort of f= eeling that fear > is the worst consequence of that abandonment. >=20 > So a good thing to tell oneself is 'I've already felt the worst thing that= could possibly happen', > so it's not really necessary to keep staying there." >=20 > I don't know, but I use that like a mantra when I'm afraid before a gig. >=20 >=20 > Next subject...........what are ways we sabotage ourselves onstage, prepar= ing for a gig. > I'll start that one in the next thread. >=20 > Rick Walker >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:50:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7EA1834CC; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=IxZuMHGVXoh3apSc36+Msdg4cb+aXhHpWwEU9zCLlos=; b=f/gytubqwnkkvnQ+Saabri+mXLLU/uLf/3q5OVqByyqnHY8X3wzPvt1ODUCySuZSxo y0Hf9kVxRtKGl3MOtaRbkUitobUMXHe0prwEatwwHK8l8BPOxjgukz3UPlYEBzKhtgoQ 2BXnDgfSkGy3RakLgILODhdC5DxBHnsVsF948= Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) References: <415B2B75-F211-4A20-8A22-34F36B671EB3@gmail.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:50:42 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:50:47 +0000 (UTC) When you say visualize rhythm do you mean as you are playing/improvising? Sent from my iPod On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:41 PM, william middlemiss w= rote: > Alright, if you can visualize rhythms, then look for notation. All of thos= e rules for modulations and whatnot in western harmony have analogs in the r= hythm world. Think tension/release...then think what makes tension. Its all a= bout pulse. Its also about density. Its also about consistency. >=20 > If you need feel/rhythmic understanding- go find the nearest western Afric= an percussion ensemble and join or take lessons from the leader. (Im entirel= y serious) >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 05:24:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E18C1834BB; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=W8E/Z1lkBUKa51igzTsXX8tM9tdISHseJul9A3qeIFs=; b=WuX9CO4gYb0KorGs7N0rPqt/1Fq9kX6AJsls5M11OZTLmvocAO+kVclbswYJv35jkY l5YidxcZBEmXvoZ2LKeZWQWSdbtBfGujcJbF1+GwYu5cGjz7siFwD6hj05uK0z9xABAw i2aSIJvXPDSnYwT4TpNm+8NhzJYXJIMSaPjR0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <415B2B75-F211-4A20-8A22-34F36B671EB3@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f839c1b1c0dd004b639da7a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:24:56 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f839c1b1c0dd004b639da7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yea, actually. Ever see those things with the ball dancing across the words to sing on the screen. Its like kareoke for kids. Exactly like that. The bass is at the bottom, everything else is above. there are all sorts of geometric patters and shaped that rhythms can be grouped into. Visualize them and play along. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Gmail wrote: > When you say visualize rhythm do you mean as you are playing/improvising? > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:41 PM, william middlemiss > wrote: > > > Alright, if you can visualize rhythms, then look for notation. All of > those rules for modulations and whatnot in western harmony have analogs in > the rhythm world. Think tension/release...then think what makes tension. > Its all about pulse. Its also about density. Its also about consistency. > > > > If you need feel/rhythmic understanding- go find the nearest western > African percussion ensemble and join or take lessons from the leader. (Im > entirely serious) > > > > > > -- If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) --e89a8f839c1b1c0dd004b639da7a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yea, actually. Ever see those things with the ball dancing across the words= to sing on the screen. Its like kareoke for kids. Exactly like that. The b= ass is at the bottom, everything else is above. there are all sorts of geom= etric patters and shaped that rhythms can be grouped into. Visualize them a= nd play along.=A0

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
When you say visualize rhythm do you mean as you are playing/improvising?
Sent from my iPod

On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:41 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alright, if you can visualize rhythms, then look for notation. All of = those rules for modulations and whatnot in western harmony have analogs in = the rhythm world. Think tension/release...then think what makes tension. It= s all about pulse. Its also about density. Its also about consistency.
>
> If you need feel/rhythmic understanding- go find the nearest western A= frican percussion ensemble and join or take lessons from the leader. (Im en= tirely serious)
>
>




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Best wishes, Billy

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--e89a8f839c1b1c0dd004b639da7a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 05:28:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 351CB1834C0; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Yd9CcE089ilWulZJIrupO0fWcB8QdJ9BV9Hw6LMv/KA=; b=wGcd1ws+uOfr8KyZzzVSFpo7bGj6QmGOzrlO6bBpX1+6fbXz1eIR4x8g8nD2ajqYK+ BJ7+BCNygzfehbmdkFLvILHxGwV4SlXy20yHH0BiqYiZtD7tG5TnY2Xd9eua8M42K7B7 6pgaYRqjbS5CgiIIo+1fJAvSUt8i5emOLFYxQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0847D02A-3A92-40A6-94CF-6777660D1E11@gmail.com> References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> <0847D02A-3A92-40A6-94CF-6777660D1E11@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307cfeba433f6904b639e79f Resent-Message-ID: <39Kh9C.A.eq.E4RDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:28:37 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307cfeba433f6904b639e79f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I used to do improv gigs and set the pedals up differently each time. Or: practice on one guitar with light strings and play the show with one that had heavy strings. Or change picks in a similar way. Id never do the same thing twice in an improv setting. but with determined compositions, never do anything differently. --20cf307cfeba433f6904b639e79f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used to do improv gigs and set the pedals up differently each time. Or: p= ractice on one guitar with light strings and play the show with one that ha= d heavy strings. Or change picks in a similar way. =A0Id never do the same = thing twice in an improv setting.=A0

but with determined compositions, never do anything dif= ferently. =A0
--20cf307cfeba433f6904b639e79f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 05:43:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88E581834BC; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 332055.39469.bm@omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326260628; bh=dn+0AdtljWW2I4aYZTByVbImfzf5ui1Yn+KXcUPLz/0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=tEbmPI6I1RLwB1f6IsliCC74Y6moln4xMFjrJmE3cuzl1dEgQEMvT7cGk0xgmc/bTtQ+lfrPfFUC7G9t2/0OuPJq4G3/Mv8xITdMUgUyz5OZGAlwY1FD+ffx5gD6FXr8YcV+wXW/lcRNjkGORBAqi6tRWgvQDGmzQN9AZ4L5D2o= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: pL6YGYQVM1m0bI_jeWPu2RKp0uz55gsqgpEwXGCzzIf9zQw WMOiVmfYI3vYHMLnlTpsdxzemZGRjbzZSG2uzQOmjoJCPkh5PUlAWT1PtQ7p 5vQeHceGpg_I7HDv79WMai0sW3EMzR_S3ttMEP0IKoH5PXF0wxDiahiusrsd dFxe7i.O_Kko0g2i3KTrZ_YlPh1a.un6_EpEgFQSop5IIIBR1r9.0A5hfMrt uDGnAS.M06s7QQiaJY3qUdJX3E0LxM7kviDD7naB63jNPyudhQjYOog4E_zW PgqZAtdGmS2NMDAJayg1k3j8UpxllTUhV_rF1Ljbay0bzrqgEob347Edo3dN Clg971J7X91IF611Sx9QXIbbgv2h7otq8MyzxgT9MyrUgs6snTCRJUnILbAM uZ9i3XFrEYwCwkPZ_gaOJAfLEr9E24wowPeJr X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <8D34D374-D21B-4AD1-BD86-FEE82C4744CD@carlsonarts.com> From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0847D02A-3A92-40A6-94CF-6777660D1E11@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-61076039 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:43:46 -0800 References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> <0847D02A-3A92-40A6-94CF-6777660D1E11@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:43:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-61076039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I totally agree with the comment below. I think creating music using looping requires a center-brained approach, both technical and creative. As far as stage fright goes, I don't generally have it. The bigger the audience, the less nervous I am! It's harder for me to play for a small crowd. I do find myself doing the same song slightly differently each time, sometimes intentionally and sometimes inadvertently. But that's kind of the way I do things all the time, so I cut myself some slack. I try not to worry about it or beat myself up about it, because there always seem to be people standing in line that are happy to do that for me. Peace and adventure, Michael (3x09) On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Gmail wrote: > I think looping is really more of a practice of mental discipline > than anything else --Apple-Mail-2-61076039 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I totally agree with the = comment below.  I think creating music using looping requires a = center-brained approach, both technical and creative. =  

As far as stage fright goes, I don't generally = have it.  The bigger the audience, the less nervous I am! =  It's harder for me to play for a small crowd.  I do find = myself doing the same song slightly differently each time, sometimes = intentionally and sometimes inadvertently.  But that's kind of the = way I do things all the time, so I cut myself some slack.   I try = not to worry about it or beat myself up about it, because there always = seem to be people standing in line that are happy to do that for = me.

Peace and adventure,
Michael = (3x09)


On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:47 PM, = Gmail wrote:

I think = looping is really more of a practice of mental discipline than anything = else

= --Apple-Mail-2-61076039-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 05:47:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A6A11834C5; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: Creating Space Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:47:50 -0600 Message-ID: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AczQJIxky3FExRrCSKSSm04O+IQYKg== X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <_18bDB.A.8-.LKSDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:47:55 +0000 (UTC) We all know that music is as much about the silence as it is about the notes. However, when doing live shows, I often struggle with finding ways of stripping down the performance (I use an EDP or Boomerang when I loop). What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due? ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 06:08:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 082BF1834CA; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=527iL2zeJkmNYWnJRDe+al6xnwwpth6jiOluh2xviFU=; b=tRsaF4FWPdhJnEw67pFmKBzlYRofduTvWgK6+JDHld+kH4iSf4pFNRIQDik1u+TnDb TxKT6WX5TY01mx+iEqZJEeqm6YzN+PSu/RjyOjewJ0aPLnKuAoIqLyujAur1QIlOuI51 F4zBrlnCJZQLRoXQit80S1bvBKXX1EYNbQBu8= Message-ID: <5982474200E546F98BE3B6C7A977370C@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> Subject: Re: Creating Space Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:08:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: <3a5zEB.A.MNB.LdSDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:08:11 +0000 (UTC) space is the place, man. :) My approach could be the other end of the spectrum, but my suggestion would be to re-think how we use looping gear, which in this case would be to stop using it as a beat maker (and I don't mean percussion). Stereotypically, I see that many loopers lay down bass grooves, rhythm grooves, percussion grooves, etc, and then layer over that...then almost immediately they have a wall of sound with very little space. Perhaps try using the looper to loop minimalist textures, motiffs, phrases, etc, which don't lean toward any meter or time signature. Then you can play over that in various ways, or even loop something more metered later on over it. One other approach is to lay off the addictive Fripp-like wall of sound, etherial pad-delay looping, which tends to have absolutely no space. Space is absolutely beautiful. My most favorite performances with other musicians are when people lose their fucking egos and play less, listen, think, and feel more. Let the music unfold, vs. forcing it. Have a little musical conversation with someone, or yourself...but keep the vocabulary simple, and don't talk over each other, or yourself. I really like to use live performace as a metahpor for human conversation and try to apply some of the same rules of ediqutte. ...just one perspective. Many are valid I am sure. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > We all know that music is as much about the silence as it is about the > notes. However, when doing live shows, I often struggle with finding ways > of stripping down the performance (I use an EDP or Boomerang when I loop). > What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her > due? > > ~peace~ > > > Michael > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:12:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0834B1834C1; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=YNh0djoyjKrsrW1AOyoQxnEN5l20W+HY+1tLora/1S4=; b=wAzz54mkD1nSFw5mQpcw7foJP5TxTvP+TCn1JglwLyZJtrA60hAeqkm1f2KLYoOYDi PdqrPkl3J8cDe+MwcIgTx/xqhyIoQR8EP8tUB32F8zqPinCtxd5GW/DraPUYwREE3GSp uPvlNDwbzSOjgfhRHSYdGgSfFrV6qx1YkjH+4= Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) References: <415B2B75-F211-4A20-8A22-34F36B671EB3@gmail.com> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6E793B86-6D4C-484B-BC6A-1A1967AFC03E X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <205D20CF-F241-4991-B7F6-CF98C781763B@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:12:03 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:12:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6E793B86-6D4C-484B-BC6A-1A1967AFC03E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That sounds tough to do lol=20 Sent from my iPod On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:24 PM, william middlemiss w= rote: > Yea, actually. Ever see those things with the ball dancing across the word= s to sing on the screen. Its like kareoke for kids. Exactly like that. The b= ass is at the bottom, everything else is above. there are all sorts of geome= tric patters and shaped that rhythms can be grouped into. Visualize them and= play along.=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Gmail wrote: > When you say visualize rhythm do you mean as you are playing/improvising? >=20 > Sent from my iPod >=20 > On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:41 PM, william middlemiss wrote: >=20 > > Alright, if you can visualize rhythms, then look for notation. All of th= ose rules for modulations and whatnot in western harmony have analogs in the= rhythm world. Think tension/release...then think what makes tension. Its al= l about pulse. Its also about density. Its also about consistency. > > > > If you need feel/rhythmic understanding- go find the nearest western Afr= ican percussion ensemble and join or take lessons from the leader. 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That sounds tough to do lol 

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:24 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Yea, actually. Ever see those things with the ball dancing across the words to sing on the screen. Its like kareoke for kids. Exactly like that. The bass is at the bottom, everything else is above. there are all sorts of geometric patters and shaped that rhythms can be grouped into. Visualize them and play along. 

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
When you say visualize rhythm do you mean as you are playing/improvising?

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:41 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alright, if you can visualize rhythms, then look for notation. All of those rules for modulations and whatnot in western harmony have analogs in the rhythm world. Think tension/release...then think what makes tension. Its all about pulse. Its also about density. Its also about consistency.
>
> If you need feel/rhythmic understanding- go find the nearest western African percussion ensemble and join or take lessons from the leader. (Im entirely serious)
>
>




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--Apple-Mail-6E793B86-6D4C-484B-BC6A-1A1967AFC03E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:18:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FD201834CB; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6rYj2st/gJxn3xr//ZAptSBrGPTZUt4GoJQFYAg/2nU=; b=g1z2HatoEIRfI3BORIQpNCQFUmWPVI9o9dhBEDDf+H6q2u8ZBJ/LMSORv0tl6pvx+E X0JWYGS/Z8EigYrslkzpUsJE6gWbfkO2en3NJSpLz7X5CGg6H9z7pkcYYc4xHKzpk76l eXmQWL9B+gEmJeNpmqe5onTY1fBMfi4ls/Fl0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <205D20CF-F241-4991-B7F6-CF98C781763B@gmail.com> References: <415B2B75-F211-4A20-8A22-34F36B671EB3@gmail.com> <205D20CF-F241-4991-B7F6-CF98C781763B@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340e0b2e0c9d04b63b717f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:18:47 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340e0b2e0c9d04b63b717f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Of course it is! Everything worthwhile is difficult, but you do what you can to make it simpler. There's no need to shorten your life by making things more difficult than they have to be. Life's hard enough already. Drum rudiments. Post them on the wall, practice them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Army_Triplet http://rudimentstudies.com/rudiments.htm then, combine them. write out your combinations, post them on the wall, practice them. If you know notation on even a slightly percussive instrument (piano would definitely qualify) then you're ahead of the game. --14dae9340e0b2e0c9d04b63b717f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course it is!

Everything worthwhile is difficult, but you do what you= can to make it simpler. There's no need to shorten your life by making= things more difficult than they have to be. Life's hard enough already= .=A0

Drum rudiments. Post them on the wall, practice them.= =A0


http://rudimentstudies.com/rudiments.htm

then, combine them. write out your combinations, post them o= n the wall, practice them.=A0

If you know notation= on even a slightly percussive instrument (piano would definitely qualify) = then you're ahead of the game.=A0
--14dae9340e0b2e0c9d04b63b717f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:25:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDE671834CB; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0/OZllhAH/bR/35Y2kHSOQuVXhDussn8noZ4XXDqmak=; b=WpDC6SZKm2pzYvR7KgIlw9xkiYmOXI2qh9b7OUgook3PmvHcd3ylpB/A2IKaczBBBz z8vcT/H4bPfLwMm7I+jKxEbW/70XvFvkmMlCi/+F/FpqBBHc1YeBJ7NCO2WAZjiGonae 2W3bohDbStKs8ATzpJ8ObxGKalrqZ+VGzq7CU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:25:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating Space From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:25:54 +0000 (UTC) I would say that the solution to this, as to most other musical issues, is to listen more. This may seem obvious for many, but for those who typically plays instruments like the guitar and the piano it can easily happen that learning to play the instrument, as a bi-product, also causes the musically rather destructive habit of approaching music-making as "positions on the fretboard where you push down strings when plucking them" rather than viewing music as sound and expression of emotional content. I've been stuck into that trap myself and know that it can be a depressive experience. You need to "de-learn" the instrument in order to rediscover music and one way can be to try playing for a while in a manner that always avoids the typical notes and phrases that "just pours out through the fingers". If you don't feel that a certain note will fit in perfectly well to play next - shut up and listen for another second until you really get the feeling of what note that makes musical sense to continue with. This teaching may seem counter-productive to a lot that is taught in jazz, since jazz to a great deal is about implying phrases, scales and melody runs. But this conflict doesn't really exist because that level of jazz teaching only works at the level where music is understood as "sound and expression of emotional content". This because scales and melodies do have there own colors just as specific notes (related to a key) have. Or told in other words: the true meaning of a melody is not the order of the notes but the emotional content it brings. This can of course be applied to live looping as well, since the looper also is an instrument. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:47 AM, wrote: > =C2=A0We all know that music is as much about the silence as it is about = the > notes. =C2=A0However, when doing live shows, I often struggle with findin= g ways > of stripping down the performance (I use an EDP or Boomerang when I loop)= . > What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her du= e? > > ~peace~ > > > Michael > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:33:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1181A1834CB; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gh5TT+YdcT8NM/CGhqjF8lnWZOKNN3IKulvUi7Xprys=; b=bCDa+H2mkQcEfEH2d/CoaAMbach+7q6SApH8j3W/fi6o1uH9nAMxAGcjHVedeAxU1h ZTNNcJkIcxat3mCXdASUfN/I7U8PiGr7ZVhes2ieZIQ/vKXf7O/wuQ7QLocmdw8IzsO/ wkqBMDqjTwK4q+YZylTqqEbgt02tN1LMF+ooQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:33:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:33:32 +0000 (UTC) I regularly play with drummers that use beat pads and my experience is that the answer to your question is the way the individual player designs his setup. I.e. what sounds he assigns to the different pads. And this has of course to a great deal to do with the physical locations of the different pads - the playability. Any trap set drummer starts out by adjusting every drum in the kit before starting to play. His allocation of drums in space depends on the size of his body, what drum sticks he uses and what technique he plays with. Same thing with electronic pads. Just set them up to be as physically playable as possible. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:02 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing beatpads? Like > in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.Whats a way to > get more fluid sorta like this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE7GHgbmlP0&feature=youtube_gdata_player From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:42:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F921834D2; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1326267758; bh=IMdyunRxUWzgMr1qVTKrd0fWrQUtHuF4JGjiUOFdcmA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Cc:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=vfDwSaXvEYHk/C3bfCak3UHcK10Ql5mz9G43lkVZmDouAwDaKJxbAdpeCv71hCGMTubPPkttS9T75ioyte7boSPDxdiHXsWl7jcp8Joaij9DeKL2kNfYh5rh3ezD5U0AcXzVK617QNpDG+h92a74hkhZcX0XHa3nd8u8diGHs7k= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 698284.68006.bm@smtp125.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: kE6ten8VM1l9H0cvvfp0jby35YoDfvJJbh7kxsUhi.LCh71 nHyPJqy9h4awbNNbhOVu_sS1qQwjaSHzBuWfSYpx_3frcyQ7B2NNxOUV_Ybo V1KKXgeJ7DkUcGNrBeaLLVnU3MH4L.QWlP_h0u2GAHXTcW53xwjzY_RJbwO4 w6iQunEFKwqCAT0ek4B4.lpHhOAGErgAJspJ7hMo71yq0pZrYdCTauOUsojx u0yG1jQ3qJ3IYlYP9bhyGbAsaXI.cbaB4jFB.xufetRpx0Qwr5WNYad7Ry6u R5Qka_DrcTt8U7xmnwyPqtv9_KyszuDZyLLq28IhCQ0Dk7bhn0.scd7fSlVj .wqcp8dzbA9Zm9A-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben Cc: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:42:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating Space In-Reply-To: <5982474200E546F98BE3B6C7A977370C@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <5982474200E546F98BE3B6C7A977370C@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20120111084238.5E5ECF08.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:42:40 +0000 (UTC) "Let the music unfold, vs. forcing it" I'll keep this one. Nice Said, Kris. Santa Claus put a EHX freeze in my basket. I'm trying now to use in my looping context. It's a fast way to add a drone at the starting point of the loop and also a quick way to make transitions/fill the gaps between different looping parts for those like me which don't have a looper with replace/substitute or feedback control. Currently my process is: 1/ freeze a chord or a noise, 2/ erase the running loop (digitech jamman), 3/ record the freeze as base on the looper, 4/ stop the freeze and start overdubbing. 5/ goto 1/ The nice thing with the freeze is that you have quickly a sound to start which can be unexpected ( start with a bottleneck slide, some harmonics, whammy bend, ...) The trick for me is to give the freeze some time before adding part to it. I even have the impression that the sound of the freeze is evolving but it may be an psycho-accoustical effect or due to my amp (included FX not completely bypassed?). This is certainly not new for a lot of you, but it's a revelation for me, a big jump from the limited possibilities of a single loop with overdub. This freeze is one of the best buy since a long time. I'm even thinking of getting several to run in parallel and finding a way to send my signal to one after the other. Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:50:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 829041834D5; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:50:23 +0100 Message-ID: <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: AczQGTPgu3WL5VX/TC2Znp3ioG3CigAG0d8Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:50:31 +0000 (UTC) 1. Recently I sabotaged myself by going away to get some food and socializing with friends _before_ everything was set up, and then I had too little time to set up in a relaxed way (I won't do that again) 2. by wanting to do too many too complicated things. The complex setup that I can handle at home where I have enough space, enough light, and no time pressure is clearly too demanding for me live when there is only a crammed corner on a dark stage full of cables, and I only have 20 minutes left to setup. Horror. The last time it was like that, I just about got everything to work but I felt tense inside. It sometimes seems I only have 70% of my usual capacities available to me on stage. 3. Some parts of my complex setup that _always_ used to work at home will inevitably fail for mysterious reasons when on stage. I sabotage myself if I rely too much on everything to work 100%, including myself -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 08:05:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40E631834DA; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=31ftrxIZfxDr9LAGQl7ICoe+8Kx/gcK0ZuKUXjKCv9Q=; b=iG9XbxyVXOK2X6jucNwRfk/nBUPS6ypLmJre6vYAY5Ny2osNIEklxyrRgKBqfk1S0r 1QLgj6fYPwB24u5hn+VdaB88/AxQJN9oOwwH06ppYhYSrV2wvElZpD3M3j/EPP9+YL0X RKxw78+z1BbVw7zuUR7Jr/hTUJBU8nmBiYsJ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:05:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:05:15 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > 1. Recently I sabotaged myself by going away to get some food and > socializing with friends _before_ everything was set up, and then I had too > little time to set up in a relaxed way (I won't do that again) > > 2. by wanting to do too many too complicated things. The complex setup that > I can handle at home where I have enough space, enough light, and no time > pressure is clearly too demanding for me live when there is only a crammed > corner on a dark stage full of cables, and I only have 20 minutes left to > setup. Horror. The last time it was like that, I just about got everything > to work but I felt tense inside. It sometimes seems I only have 70% of my > usual capacities available to me on stage. > > 3. Some parts of my complex setup that _always_ used to work at home will > inevitably fail for mysterious reasons when on stage. I sabotage myself if I > rely too much on everything to work 100%, including myself > > -Michael 4. Using the computer for too many other tasks. When you have a computer it is tempting to use it for other purposes than being the central brain of your music performance rig. I made this mistake at the latest International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz CA. I had been taking lots of photos and also helping friends to move photo files between cameras and USB sticks. Somehow this interfered with the system, OS X, and when I should start my concert at the festival the damn laptop never booted! While everyone thought that I was sitting by the stage side properly waiting for my slot to enter into the spotlight the truth was that I was waiting in chock for the Macbook Pro to repair itself. I did a "boot in save mode" by holding down the shift key while pressing the power button and in save-mode I opened the Disc Utility and set it up to "repair file permissions". The process was initiated and estimated to take 11 minutes. My GO time was due in 12 minutes. The box was fixed and rebooted exactly at the moment my slot was announced. Phew... it was really nice to start playing after that . Didn't "sabotage the gig" but it could have done so just as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 08:47:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10EA61834D7; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-72074621 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: LP2s and power sources Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:47:05 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <_xBhJ.A.oRD.QyUDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:47:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-72074621 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It is 9V with a negative center just like a Boss power supply or a 1- > spot. Current draw is very low. 300mA should do the trick though > probably could get by on 100mA. Bill --Apple-Mail-4-72074621 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit




It is 9V with a negative center just like a Boss power supply or a 1-spot.  Current draw is very low.  300mA should do the trick though probably could get by on 100mA.  

Bill


--Apple-Mail-4-72074621-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 09:42:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FA651834D7; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 717017002/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.224/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.224 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAJVYDU9YbRPg/2dsb2JhbAAMNq9cAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd2txSJAYMcBJpKjH4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,492,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="717017002" Message-ID: <4F0D597E.3010209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:42:22 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2s and power sources References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote: > I tried using a 9v battery and the pedal was completely dead - > probably because the 9v battery is dead. I really don't like using > batteries because I burn through them too quickly - even > rechargeables. You've used a number of different psu's, all of which have the correct spec. Likely you have a faulty unit, or possibly a faulty SD-Card. (it's also possible that the SD card can be unsuitable even though Bob's tested with one the exact make and model number...Zoom say as much on their website) The best test do do now is to get a nice new high quality 9v battery and give it a try. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 09:45:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C7C01834D9; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Creating Space Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:45:37 -0600 Message-ID: <001201ccd045$c73bd610$55b38230$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQD2OhNML5rCQ/XSPzFG50Yh8XMmZgHQnljkl6WRIeA= Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Great perspectives, Per! Definitely worth applying and ruminating over. Funny. I was showering this evening and a song came to mind that I wrote = some time ago called, "All the things I don't say." It's a pseudo-looping tune. Some looping but vocals and some solos are = overdubbed. I blogged about it in conjunction with a provocative = interview with Andrew Pek of ivibeglobal.com. The blog was about = innovation but it's apropos for music/looping as well. The song and = lyrics are included. http://www.customerthink.com/blog/being_in_between_mindfully_exploring_th= e_space_of_interaction_and_innovation ~peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com www.zenstorming.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creating Space I would say that the solution to this, as to most other musical issues, is to listen more. This may seem obvious for many, but for those who typically plays instruments like the guitar and the piano it can easily happen that learning to play the instrument, as a bi-product, also causes the musically rather destructive habit of approaching music-making as "positions on the fretboard where you push down strings when plucking them" rather than viewing music as sound and expression of emotional content. I've been stuck into that trap myself and know that it can be a depressive experience. You need to "de-learn" the instrument in order to rediscover music and one way can be to try playing for a while in a manner that always avoids the typical notes and phrases that "just pours out through the fingers". If you don't feel that a certain note will fit in perfectly well to play next - shut up and listen for another second until you really get the feeling of what note that makes musical sense to continue with. This teaching may seem counter-productive to a lot that is taught in jazz, since jazz to a great deal is about implying phrases, scales and melody runs. But this conflict doesn't really exist because that level of jazz teaching only works at the level where music is understood as "sound and expression of emotional content". This because scales and melodies do have there own colors just as specific notes (related to a key) have. Or told in other words: the true meaning of a melody is not the order of the notes but the emotional content it brings. This can of course be applied to live looping as well, since the looper also is an instrument. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:47 AM, wrote: > We all know that music is as much about the silence as it is about = the > notes. However, when doing live shows, I often struggle with finding = ways > of stripping down the performance (I use an EDP or Boomerang when I = loop). > What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her = due? > > ~peace~ > > > Michael > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 11:34:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CF561834DD; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6vy+bqz8tml0hTshf7IV1/RrqOqRBq/Rv8p7I8SUY68=; b=TppcI9IwcKfFzJCA+D+hoTVpZ2+/wXqPOklh61rcBP7Cr/VHbtW9UeNyTVvx4CwqC2 ANe3K62mDyVEzfRo228XtswVpHFEnPFb2o8if4p2Z5Ohm7zxkg5RVw2itQFARMer2+5x umFY/T1Edibtka0Cpv0gTKS3X1AQZx1Sn5tNc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001201ccd045$c73bd610$55b38230$@michaelplishka.com> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <001201ccd045$c73bd610$55b38230$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:34:35 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating Space From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:34:37 +0000 (UTC) I'll approach this from a different angle - somewhat inspired by this mornings FB conversation with Per. Another way to deal with dense polyphonic texture is to distribute the sound spatially. I notice a lot of users on here limit themselves to stereo reproduction - understandably so - it is difficult to access more than a stereo PA! However, if you have the means to use more than one or two speakers within a performance environment, I would highly recommend that you investigate the distribution of your loops spatially. Just another approach versus space being associated somewhat synonymously with silence. You can let multiple loops become as polyphonic as you wish, if they occupy their own physical/acoustic performance space. Even two amplifiers on stage makes a difference. As Sjaak may attest to, one of the most impressive live looping gigs you can experience is Hellmut Neidhart's, "N" - allowing continuous drones to evolve and continuously compliment each other. http://vimeo.com/10136228 Best, R On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:45 AM, wrote: > Great perspectives, Per! =A0Definitely worth applying and ruminating over= . > > Funny. I was showering this evening and a song came to mind that I wrote = some time ago called, "All the things I don't say." > > It's a pseudo-looping tune. Some looping but vocals and some solos are ov= erdubbed. =A0I blogged about it in conjunction with a provocative interview= with Andrew Pek of ivibeglobal.com. =A0The blog was about innovation but i= t's apropos for music/looping as well. The song and lyrics are included. > http://www.customerthink.com/blog/being_in_between_mindfully_exploring_th= e_space_of_interaction_and_innovation > > ~peace~ > > Mike > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > www.zenstorming.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:26 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Creating Space > > I would say that the solution to this, as to most other musical > issues, is to listen more. This may seem obvious for many, but for > those who typically plays instruments like the guitar and the piano it > can easily happen that learning to play the instrument, as a > bi-product, also causes the musically rather destructive habit of > approaching music-making as "positions on the fretboard where you push > down strings when plucking them" rather than viewing music as sound > and expression of emotional content. I've been stuck into that trap > myself and know that it can be a depressive experience. You need to > "de-learn" the instrument in order to rediscover music and one way can > be to try playing for a while in a manner that always avoids the > typical notes and phrases that "just pours out through the fingers". > If you don't feel that a certain note will fit in perfectly well to > play next - shut up and listen for another second until you really get > the feeling of what note that makes musical sense to continue with. > > This teaching may seem counter-productive to a lot that is taught in > jazz, since jazz to a great deal is about implying phrases, scales and > melody runs. But this conflict doesn't really exist because that level > of jazz teaching only works at the level where music is understood as > "sound and expression of emotional content". This because scales and > melodies do have there own colors just as specific notes (related to a > key) have. Or told in other words: the true meaning of a melody is not > the order of the notes but the emotional content it brings. > > This can of course be applied to live looping as well, since the > looper also is an instrument. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:47 AM, =A0 wrote: >> =A0We all know that music is as much about the silence as it is about th= e >> notes. =A0However, when doing live shows, I often struggle with finding = ways >> of stripping down the performance (I use an EDP or Boomerang when I loop= ). >> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her d= ue? >> >> ~peace~ >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> www.michaelplishka.com >> www.scribbledmusings.com >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 12:38:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85CCD1834DE; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1326285520; bh=aFBCEh56pwobKVrOSsVtFkXvchX46+VSznutlv40Qjw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=vGaCcRdAvvYaznhkt1eLVDMOyLBOz3bE4eGxVjEAlZu9rtZRKA4+YQnwKIr3L4k0nzQpDVH33HPd7uOH3mOFfzli8stZZ/Fvh8PcTW6JnqiQBa/ixAK75L1eGtfGdjCYtIEmSSjPHvbUQOv7wuXrQ5C3f1Z0v8AnVKOf6UV40kk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 721490.63522.bm@smtp148.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: wWJxH60VM1kaEZVfM1AycuO8.L2FnjLf2zXdXLMT9QGdfQP ItcDvaD.0b7scznLJn0IsPeLR_s6lZFDN2FmkFOu3PHw_Gt4wfqLFQutSzXu q1he1SFuMxv_cA2qKJo1a5BrcuWjXh7ilO42N5Kd2B9UGa6IbIz8PHcizGQg rxh_6D1Oh71McCJKKqD2BrTU3HGWuEPW8h93KMixIbQmUFO.iVXCtb1q.FZG zvgyKy7u63izr1FERDPigPhDXNJqA9Ij4H0eHOHbqyz1oOj6fqIuoiwQuuOk IEPqHoEnZr3M0miJ6xYdVNsgF250E4oRFStjwB_nF721dwv8.XgrKRN5_yIp sc73uAZ5hfvu4QCyj3q2DtxOoZ04KdYHzapUjA4aOi0bw34_5i9F.aDWi8LW AxP6zE1wSAEypp5o0f3m987qfLHXzoEh28sWMIl2HBHRx90c6Crc.G5chDGQ 7Voks7w5OKl0ciiapEyIdocAq0n_LKsrQnduSXp8I8aRWZl8Kq4yadKUm0Xh 0jrQ4GDxxty0Cf4T.d641zlYQGE.p0PrBpifV25Hw_FUkMzfhYnJmrcsZUOW 44vC7TDs5okGrMsbBxTbNwdQkbk9i7yHkYmBiVu4R5uxqcFOQeFBcWo2W.Wt Vb_NT2Cf1O.GPNRJ6e.vq_._CEBroJ_rwkVmESVwEIs6Lf66HtyFCIKoYjZt ZjBW7lQKamZ7_2AUTfUQcpuEDgPs0j4hH0anl3OlBPJVUP3Pxv3MoJYOVraL NMxHcxR0NO91rm35zK0lsCQjTADtHj9.QmVcAMORTlUKAQzjfCHZdlmZTOS2 9Q_pBZEQ3U9DZRf3aaYtMfkr1xg4sqRTgRtbVbARnO_15QGo5EwVrXN8FONy Yfw0n9_7hqx_Q2cVyPfOira.iNt3JO5_B9ZfKyIJtnnk8imBxUwg7BdXUGqi cRcLv2PDO21Y3o48_G8vPwM1s8eYLeMIcYnSiPewUK77t56wXdQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:38:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating Space In-Reply-To: References: <001201ccd045$c73bd610$55b38230$@michaelplishka.com> Message-Id: <20120111133840.CDA11000.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Nice approach,=20 How do you setup a polyphonic environment=3F Which processing HW (not counting PC's) that can output a=20 (mono/stereo) input signal on 4 outs=3F I'm thinking of synth stuf (Nord modular) but are there any reverb or chorus that can do so=3F That would be wild. Do you need to setup a mixer with 2 aux or a split box=3F I'm=20=20 interested ;-) Ben -------------------------------------------------- Ricky Graham wrote: (11/01/2012 12:34) > I'll approach this from a different angle - somewhat inspired by this > mornings FB conversation with Per. Another way to deal with dense > polyphonic texture is to distribute the sound spatially. I notice a > lot of users on here limit themselves to stereo reproduction - > understandably so - it is difficult to access more than a stereo PA! > However, if you have the means to use more than one or two speakers > within a performance environment, I would highly recommend that you > investigate the distribution of your loops spatially. Just another > approach versus space being associated somewhat synonymously with > silence. You can let multiple loops become as polyphonic as you wish, > if they occupy their own physical/acoustic performance space. >=20 > Even two amplifiers on stage makes a difference. As Sjaak may attest > to, one of the most impressive live looping gigs you can experience is > Hellmut Neidhart's, "N" - allowing continuous drones to evolve and > continuously compliment each other. >=20 > http://vimeo.com/10136228 >=20 >=20 > Best, >=20 > R >=20 > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:45 AM, wrote: > > Great perspectives, Per! =A0Definitely worth applying and ruminating ov= er.. > > > > Funny. I was showering this evening and a song came to mind that I wrot= e some time ago called, "All the things I don't say." > > > > It's a pseudo-looping tune. Some looping but vocals and some solos are = overdubbed. =A0I blogged about it in conjunction with a provocative intervi= ew with Andrew Pek of ivibeglobal.com. =A0The blog was about innovation but= it's apropos for music/looping as well. The song and lyrics are included. > > http://www.customerthink.com/blog/being=5Fin=5Fbetween=5Fmindfully=5Fex= ploring=5Fthe=5Fspace=5Fof=5Finteraction=5Fand=5Finnovation > > > > ~peace~ > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > > www.scribbledmusings.com > > www.zenstorming.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:26 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Creating Space > > > > I would say that the solution to this, as to most other musical > > issues, is to listen more. This may seem obvious for many, but for > > those who typically plays instruments like the guitar and the piano it > > can easily happen that learning to play the instrument, as a > > bi-product, also causes the musically rather destructive habit of > > approaching music-making as "positions on the fretboard where you push > > down strings when plucking them" rather than viewing music as sound > > and expression of emotional content. I've been stuck into that trap > > myself and know that it can be a depressive experience. You need to > > "de-learn" the instrument in order to rediscover music and one way can > > be to try playing for a while in a manner that always avoids the > > typical notes and phrases that "just pours out through the fingers". > > If you don't feel that a certain note will fit in perfectly well to > > play next - shut up and listen for another second until you really get > > the feeling of what note that makes musical sense to continue with. > > > > This teaching may seem counter-productive to a lot that is taught in > > jazz, since jazz to a great deal is about implying phrases, scales and > > melody runs. But this conflict doesn't really exist because that level > > of jazz teaching only works at the level where music is understood as > > "sound and expression of emotional content". This because scales and > > melodies do have there own colors just as specific notes (related to a > > key) have. Or told in other words: the true meaning of a melody is not > > the order of the notes but the emotional content it brings. > > > > This can of course be applied to live looping as well, since the > > looper also is an instrument. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:47 AM, =A0 wrote: > >> =A0We all know that music is as much about the silence as it is about = the > >> notes. =A0However, when doing live shows, I often struggle with findin= g ways > >> of stripping down the performance (I use an EDP or Boomerang when I lo= op). > >> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her= due=3F > >> > >> ~peace~ > >> > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > >> > >> www.michaelplishka.com > >> www.scribbledmusings.com > >> > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 12:52:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5537E1834E1; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 710449182/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.224/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.224 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAJCFDU9YbRPg/2dsb2JhbAAMNq9fAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUZAwGHdrdJiQGDHASaSox+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,493,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="710449182" Message-ID: <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:52:55 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creating Space References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2JpUD.A.GhF.hYYDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:52:49 +0000 (UTC) mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due? Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 13:48:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60FC91834E3; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6JZcG7ehC3S9+/U5PUJyAh3P9xMJDHRK8/HYXIivRF8=; b=p1gesGqDXIc1VVI56PG3WEiss1a3t3EenUeBFN4dcTYlo6eJdZosCFbawaNr47Dr/E wIc6mm/U4folmU0fyGuQ2SLvSZkQiei5ZFK3sVsuzdLoUaDAlp8rB3y7uq/zaNOH728/ dmYlOEPr+0eHeWC/N21Rt86yxr/13TBUuvYyM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:48:23 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating Space From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:48:25 +0000 (UTC) I do everything with my RME sound card mixer. Simple routing of input sources. Any mixer would suffice. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:52 PM, andy butler wrote: > mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > >> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her >> due? > > > Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 13:56:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93A3D1834E6; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 479233.74244.bm@omp1035.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326290181; bh=25pFIZ+SZ/ubPsxrJuzzaTdIOQYycv/Mazpm5aUeWgw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UTPMScqHtxjm5ArSLO58dXmdfN7uMkHRCDIgZjkkie96DQa6KWvHdwKSvU5D8UZEQB2e3dWacCGB6Ehg+dzDhVenvTRfbQ0J8fj6SB6/D7T5JuxtyAidAknbftefkqoXtjew9/S3hG3Gao25sdcYgwnYKSYrYqltuRPhQVYdshY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TJKzisuZrFVQiPFoI1vJUhM8iR6sLlJOTL2cyHHF+lr89FnfdxZwqJtKlHvkVPMXV6Lvjz8+aDEQU8BP4tNKAFmKJEI4DQlJvuIBIZR5yGLYkvS1tjcgCNB78B9z6XF2S1isUCb1uN4MdxhgO/xntLjnFi4CM3IKJTONVpd/tgg=; X-YMail-OSG: A0EDTgwVM1lho1mKFPJa5uIlkipBKrpIU9L.4KIfLJ7xntM PsLrUt2YCdj.A1Tra8HtR4u._LccUPVLlOyia1f7qejwJy4OT54B2ydutC9L nCPHNF6m7qrQLDCx9YtaF2JgYwoKmhRmlZoIxwR4UnQZ35tGj9u1qo1F1TEc zFql1ihA8bP09ChSYctDg4BMJKAbBkuTOhj_zizbhaK.URrLylrTP4DM2BN0 LxYAW2VpWiayraVNFohb2d7eFqyQcrF4DP02FLKeV7ucHP0__L3a6gLr09Id 8SRyIHF8o6JwxYIGn0_9Kc2WEiK69hxHkYQmzDJo11LlIpj_lrxmtOhoWUjT 61htz1Bixuww0EnhRQjzJjtNkPQTqs54VirdQHdbUJA.Ioy5GH.yYIE8vMoc sEnLMG93XPs136bq0xrqSYCjxNR_1DRgCyAiWGB5pQUafp39iwWYWOTFLktR Al5JE056aviN8ygnMv1_HCokqZCEi X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1326290181.85245.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Creating Space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1118611504-822458878-1326290181=:85245" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:56:23 +0000 (UTC) ---1118611504-822458878-1326290181=:85245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Listen to the Blue Nile and try to play like them.. Rig ________________________________ From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:52 AM Subject: Re: Creating Space mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due? Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. andy ---1118611504-822458878-1326290181=:85245 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Listen to the Blue Nile and try to play like them..
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From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
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mike@michaelplishka.com wrote:

> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due?

Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning.

andy



---1118611504-822458878-1326290181=:85245-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 14:09:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AB021834DF; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZIR5vFrYOKO+w6dB0GQFRsev7Ui2NgLbHMfSCRC6uag=; b=G6NPfp0NfAad45ZlvnZYQhe/wNzT9EHyq7JvN08ennVpY4r3qRnH46GFRgjU5cHBXj g9kCNMNnxM2gHcUCGDbo9qlZvwPUl74P1pnLxfyd3F2PRRbyTt1ubcx8IRipumrDJtO0 GhKMiYrJx0+Ofdd5OpU+6e77ZtXKgFZ/QHmpM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:09:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934060bba48a004b6412e57 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:09:40 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934060bba48a004b6412e57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 whoa - thats was pretty close Per! Great stories, good thread! -Petri- 2012/1/11 Per Boysen > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > > 1. Recently I sabotaged myself by going away to get some food and > > socializing with friends _before_ everything was set up, and then I had > too > > little time to set up in a relaxed way (I won't do that again) > > > > 2. by wanting to do too many too complicated things. The complex setup > that > > I can handle at home where I have enough space, enough light, and no time > > pressure is clearly too demanding for me live when there is only a > crammed > > corner on a dark stage full of cables, and I only have 20 minutes left to > > setup. Horror. The last time it was like that, I just about got > everything > > to work but I felt tense inside. It sometimes seems I only have 70% of my > > usual capacities available to me on stage. > > > > 3. Some parts of my complex setup that _always_ used to work at home will > > inevitably fail for mysterious reasons when on stage. I sabotage myself > if I > > rely too much on everything to work 100%, including myself > > > > -Michael > > > 4. Using the computer for too many other tasks. > When you have a computer it is tempting to use it for other purposes > than being the central brain of your music performance rig. I made > this mistake at the latest International Live Looping Festival in > Santa Cruz CA. I had been taking lots of photos and also helping > friends to move photo files between cameras and USB sticks. Somehow > this interfered with the system, OS X, and when I should start my > concert at the festival the damn laptop never booted! While everyone > thought that I was sitting by the stage side properly waiting for my > slot to enter into the spotlight the truth was that I was waiting in > chock for the Macbook Pro to repair itself. I did a "boot in save > mode" by holding down the shift key while pressing the power button > and in save-mode I opened the Disc Utility and set it up to "repair > file permissions". The process was initiated and estimated to take 11 > minutes. My GO time was due in 12 minutes. The box was fixed and > rebooted exactly at the moment my slot was announced. Phew... it was > really nice to start playing after that . Didn't "sabotage the gig" > but it could have done so just as well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae934060bba48a004b6412e57 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 whoa - thats was pretty close Per!
Great stories, good thread!

-Petri-

2012/1/11 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> 1. Recently I sabotaged myself by going away to get some food and
> socializing with friends _before_ everything was set up, and then I had too
> little time to set up in a relaxed way (I won't do that again)
>
> 2. by wanting to do too many too complicated things. The complex setup that
> I can handle at home where I have enough space, enough light, and no time
> pressure is clearly too demanding for me live when there is only a crammed
> corner on a dark stage full of cables, and I only have 20 minutes left to
> setup. Horror. The last time it was like that, I just about got everything
> to work but I felt tense inside. It sometimes seems I only have 70% of my
> usual capacities available to me on stage.
>
> 3. Some parts of my complex setup that _always_ used to work at home will
> inevitably fail for mysterious reasons when on stage. I sabotage myself if I
> rely too much on everything to work 100%, including myself
>
> -Michael


4. Using the computer for too many other tasks.
When you have a computer it is tempting to use it for other purposes
than being the central brain of your music performance rig. I made
this mistake at the latest International Live Looping Festival in
Santa Cruz CA. I had been taking lots of photos and also helping
friends to move photo files between cameras and USB sticks. Somehow
this interfered with the system, OS X, and when I should start my
concert at the festival the damn laptop never booted! While everyone
thought that I was sitting by the stage side properly waiting for my
slot to enter into the spotlight the truth was that I was waiting in
chock for the Macbook Pro to repair itself. I did a "boot in save
mode" by holding down the shift key while pressing the power button
and in save-mode I opened the Disc Utility and set it up to "repair
file permissions". The process was initiated and estimated to take 11
minutes. My GO time was due in 12 minutes. The box was fixed and
rebooted exactly at the moment my slot was announced. Phew... it was
really nice to start playing after that . Didn't "sabotage the gig"
but it could have done so just as well.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen




--
Petri Lahtinen


--14dae934060bba48a004b6412e57-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 14:16:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13EE71834EA; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VB8zZ2iPp6drlBGI8SPW13hGh46o77wDSrR54jX+fko=; b=upS0higV1pi3In3hC7j/wL/0oDW6mEB0IVBbcCByKup/46inhsoyxX4X36Q4HwJWKA filpXhcfQmdipstT/3oUMsy7QAfgo6Mwixk52wYFaGq40eWgYzK3ofsXJwoukABetEel j0vI7cKFaO/PhjgoFbxl8TT49oL4p4pZNl3eI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86ECF7A4-A3CB-4211-9D2A-E335D123B0C7@gmail.com> References: <46595477-CF9C-4D35-B6A6-A03DC4806745@glasswing.com> <4F0D0D39.6050008@cruzio.com> <86ECF7A4-A3CB-4211-9D2A-E335D123B0C7@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:16:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Nerves on Stage: was Liking/Disliking your own music From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba96359bead04b6414635 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:16:16 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba96359bead04b6414635 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Really good thread this too! EVERY good performer I know, have terrible stage frights. I myself, I'm gonna be really alarmed when I have a gig and I dont freak out before it! :-D 2012/1/11 Gmail > That's a great way to put it. Never thought of that. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > about stage fright, richard sales wrote: > >> > >> When it's really bad, I tell myself it will all be over in an hour or > two. > > > > > > A therapist once hipped me to a cool fact about fear of failure and fear > of judgement. > > > > She said that when you experience that fear, it is always the fear of > being both judged and abandoned > > by people (the audience, even yourself). > > > > The fact of the matter is, though, the pain and emotional discomfort of > feeling that fear > > is the worst consequence of that abandonment. > > > > So a good thing to tell oneself is 'I've already felt the worst thing > that could possibly happen', > > so it's not really necessary to keep staying there." > > > > I don't know, but I use that like a mantra when I'm afraid before a gig. > > > > > > Next subject...........what are ways we sabotage ourselves onstage, > preparing for a gig. > > I'll start that one in the next thread. > > > > Rick Walker > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f3ba96359bead04b6414635 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really good thread this too!
EVERY good performer I know, have terrible = stage frights.
I myself, I'm gonna be really alarmed when I have a g= ig and I dont freak out before it! :-D

20= 12/1/11 Gmail <k3z= z21@gmail.com>
That's a great way to put it. Never thou= ght of that.

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> about stage fright, richard sales wrote:
>>
>> When it's really bad, I tell myself it will all be over in an = hour or two.
>
>
> A therapist once hipped me to a cool fact about fear of failure and fe= ar of judgement.
>
> She said that when you experience that fear, it is always the fear of = being both judged and abandoned
> by people (the audience, even yourself).
>
> The fact of the matter is, though, =A0the pain and emotional discomfor= t of feeling that fear
> is the worst consequence of that abandonment.
>
> So a good thing to tell oneself is 'I've already felt the wors= t thing that could possibly happen',
> so it's not really necessary to keep staying there."
>
> I don't know, but I use that like a mantra when I'm afraid bef= ore a gig.
>
>
> Next subject...........what are ways we sabotage ourselves onstage, pr= eparing for a gig.
> I'll start that one in the next thread.
>
> Rick Walker
>




--
Petri Lahti= nen


--e89a8f3ba96359bead04b6414635-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 14:40:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E101834EF; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P61IbauhwJjwRSVEWttvH4sNHN00l21sACGFGdLKW1w=; b=ISGuH8aTZP0VQQ145xnhBMkkljnwjQ64m1bX/84JhG467CH+it+ZdDaPjCRJJZEWFT dM5RI3iGSCt62/XQ207his5Lr6V2RrpG5PJKXbf3hEIDK8cXhoU/gRYkQXE+fUnhlbDo ysjRiCG07ktf5DMQVLhaxvkYzlIEviTaU8va4= Message-ID: <4F0D9F59.6080903@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:40:25 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creating Space References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:40:28 +0000 (UTC) mike@michaelplishka.com schrieb: > We all know that music is as much about the silence as it is about the > notes. However, when doing live shows, I often struggle with finding ways > of stripping down the performance (I use an EDP or Boomerang when I loop). > What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due? > Ok, the numerous other comments nonwithstanding, here's my take, also from a looper's perspective. From a looping perspective, I see three things here: 1. turn off the loop (and be able to restart it), 2. reduce contents of what comes out of the looper, 3. turning down the volume of the looper. ad 1: I've seen four different kinds of this functionality (but point 3 can be seen as another one). a) stop the loop (when you restart it, it starts from its beginning) e.g. Line6 DL4, b) mute the loop (when you unmute, it continues where it has run while being silent) e.g. EDP, c) pause the loop (when youpause, the loop continues right where you paused it) e.g. one option in Möbius and d) none at all (typical of delays used as loopers, but I seem to remember this was also true for the Headrush). As I personally worked with Möbius a lot in the past, the one I used the most was mute (b), especially when using multiple loops in a defined timing relationship. Of course, the same behaviour as a) can be done by doing unmute followed by retrigger. An example how I worked with muting a loop and rests in what I played to it can be heard at the end of my track "Kekslogistik" http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/track/kekslogistik - at the end, I do a kind of challenge/response thing between my playing and the (processed) loop. If a), b) or c) makes the most sense of course depends on the musical situation. ad 2: this is either turning off one of multiple loops or undoing. The EDP (and its bastard software sibling, Möbius) has for a long time been the only looper (I know of) which allows for multiple levels of undo and redo. Of course, you can (with a reduced amount of undo/redo levels) get the same result with something multitrack, e.g. the Repeater. Of course, this also intersects with 1, namely if in the last section you were talking about muting individual loops of a multi-loop thingie. This can often be replicated with undo/redo sequences. On the other hand, the multitrack solution is the more powerful, but not as intuitive if you just want to remove or add the last two layers of overdubs. ad 3: this is always possible if the looper is setup in a send effect setting, and as far as I know also for an inserted looper for all devices, as they all feature a loop level control of sorts. Of course, turning the loop volume to 0 is identical to the mute option of section 1. This is also something I hadn't done enough in the past - which is odd, because I always had the loop volume mapped to a pedal in all of my more complex setups (Repeater, then Möbius). (An example of me using this is "Deine Mutter hört Metal" http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/track/deine-mutter-h-rt-metal). This can also be interesting for another aspect. Of course, if you play an instrument louder or quieter it usually also sounds different. For that reason, it's fun to play to a loop at full volume (either unisono or another voice, but this works best when playing the same instrument and something similar), then turn down the loop volume and play your instrument much quieter. So much for now, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 14:41:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9947B1834EF; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8Bpf/xcNLcOCFrI1JhD2Z9KpmA2Ly5EFnHbE5H+WSUQ=; b=fCpcCQ6AW6qVxWYWDmtGW4ZkoEnaUpACmjfmSH9mAxjXPXbbRQn2DGNU6oo4OuS67n DTc27EEP7hbMVylnx4auPC1RJXv1p1LykE1EKdeclSTYvZp7dQggXsAM77Dv6xGpzq9q UHNUUajcb9a02ZaHEaGsgW+w5eNTX62F6cegc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:41:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:41:55 +0000 (UTC) I almost "missed the gig" once, in an earlier life when I was around 12 years old. I was the goal keeper of an ice hockey team and we were to meet the champions in an important game. Well in the dressing room just before showtime I discovered I had no skates in my trunk! Realized that my dear mother back home must have taken them out to let the iron dry in order to prevent rusting. The team's coach phoned my mum to confirm this was the case and then he took me in his car and drove by double permitted speed to my place where I ran in and picked up the skates. Did put them on in the car during the race back to the hockey stadium and staggered right into the goal case from the car a minute before the game was to start. The team did not have a back-up goal keeper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > whoa - thats was pretty close Per! > Great stories, good thread! > > -Petri- > > 2012/1/11 Per Boysen >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Michael Peters wrote: >> > 1. Recently I sabotaged myself by going away to get some food and >> > socializing with friends _before_ everything was set up, and then I had >> > too >> > little time to set up in a relaxed way (I won't do that again) >> > >> > 2. by wanting to do too many too complicated things. The complex setup >> > that >> > I can handle at home where I have enough space, enough light, and no >> > time >> > pressure is clearly too demanding for me live when there is only a >> > crammed >> > corner on a dark stage full of cables, and I only have 20 minutes left >> > to >> > setup. Horror. The last time it was like that, I just about got >> > everything >> > to work but I felt tense inside. It sometimes seems I only have 70% of >> > my >> > usual capacities available to me on stage. >> > >> > 3. Some parts of my complex setup that _always_ used to work at home >> > will >> > inevitably fail for mysterious reasons when on stage. I sabotage myself >> > if I >> > rely too much on everything to work 100%, including myself >> > >> > -Michael >> >> >> 4. Using the computer for too many other tasks. >> When you have a computer it is tempting to use it for other purposes >> than being the central brain of your music performance rig. I made >> this mistake at the latest International Live Looping Festival in >> Santa Cruz CA. I had been taking lots of photos and also helping >> friends to move photo files between cameras and USB sticks. Somehow >> this interfered with the system, OS X, and when I should start my >> concert at the festival the damn laptop never booted! While everyone >> thought that I was sitting by the stage side properly waiting for my >> slot to enter into the spotlight the truth was that I was waiting in >> chock for the Macbook Pro to repair itself. I did a "boot in save >> mode" by holding down the shift key while pressing the power button >> and in save-mode I opened the Disc Utility and set it up to "repair >> file permissions". The process was initiated and estimated to take 11 >> minutes. My GO time was due in 12 minutes. The box was fixed and >> rebooted exactly at the moment my slot was announced. Phew... it was >> really nice to start playing after that . Didn't "sabotage the gig" >> but it could have done so just as well. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 15:32:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 193C41834F3; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3607 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:32:29 UTC Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:31:56 -0600 (CST) From: Dan Ash To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <21071214.134268.1326292317001.JavaMail.root@vznit170130> Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) [ Gmail ] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [96.56.54.186] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:32:29 +0000 (UTC)
The hippe= st beats I've heard produced with fingers was using a piano keyboard and a = drum mapping developed by the folks at Sonic Reality called 'iMap'.  T= he key to the approach is that it places multiple bass drums and snares und= er keys next to each other, and maps the toms and cymbals, etc together in = a very logical way.

I'm a terrible drummer, and can't say that t= his mapping helps that situation, but their drum sample collections are all= available with the iMap layout. I downloaded one that was compatible with = one of my software players, and after an afternoon I could see that there w= as some potential there.  Presumably with enough patience you could wo= rk up a similar mapping for a pad-based controller. Food for thought...

=


Here's Dave Kerzne= r's explanation and one of several demos.  

mapping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ddoj5xlA_Kas

demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3DEXI-iC84VhM


There a number of other instructional demos of the iMap layout on youtu= be.  Search on 'drums' and 'imap'.  


The link on the Sonic Reality site with an actual ima= ge of the iMap layout appears to be broken, but I will forward the image on= request.  I have also a very basic lesson in drum tablature.


Dan Ash,

White Plains, NY

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 16:06:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23D591834EF; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=y0CblBmlm4fLpdPOEyDFS/ZS0tz+m5UylzbEAZZ9TaE=; b=wRz/tj8V7xhzIhkS/HKznLahecQNtA6d2X8W14e5e6LB/8GXqyQuL3H9itMg1PtRV+ kcfiGrnJXf3SLzKBGkbdXRLdj863fjbVMXD5q9qLkKEGNpr5cFpZJ4gCqUWmYrhIFlg+ V8LYyVZjLIgMtsGqfpUlZXs3l4MXClTmVP/VA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F0D597E.3010209@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F0D597E.3010209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:06:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2s and power sources From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3edeebf80d04b642d14f Resent-Message-ID: <8yheDB.A.Ap.dObDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:06:53 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c3edeebf80d04b642d14f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ir isn't the power supply. I've tried a PowerAll & a Pedal Juice, with 1.7A and 2A on tap. I still have the same issues as Matt. I'm also using the SD card Bob provided, so it isn't that either. I spoke to Bob late last week; I'm sending mine back for a checkup. Zak Kramer --0015174c3edeebf80d04b642d14f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ir isn't the power supply. I've tried a PowerAll & a Pedal Juic= e, with 1.7A and 2A on tap. I still have the same issues as Matt. I'm a= lso using the SD card Bob provided, so it isn't that either. I spoke to= Bob late last week; I'm sending mine back for a checkup.

Zak Kramer
--0015174c3edeebf80d04b642d14f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 16:15:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAEA01834F5; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:15:07 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1f128855-2de4-4115-b84b-e6b4a1863cc3_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.180] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:10:05 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com>,<006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2012 16:10:05.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B8E4D20:01CCD07B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:15:07 +0000 (UTC) --_1f128855-2de4-4115-b84b-e6b4a1863cc3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like some others here I'm all too ready to integrate a new piece of gear in= to my rig days/hours before playing with it live. Take my advice DON'T DO = IT!. Play safe=2C with confidence and allow yourself to concentrate on the = performance=2C (I'm tailing to myself here)... Peace=2C Gareth > From: mp@mpeters.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances > Date: Wed=2C 11 Jan 2012 08:50:23 +0100 >=20 > 1. Recently I sabotaged myself by going away to get some food and > socializing with friends _before_ everything was set up=2C and then I had= too > little time to set up in a relaxed way (I won't do that again) >=20 > 2. by wanting to do too many too complicated things. The complex setup th= at > I can handle at home where I have enough space=2C enough light=2C and no = time > pressure is clearly too demanding for me live when there is only a cramme= d > corner on a dark stage full of cables=2C and I only have 20 minutes left = to > setup. Horror. The last time it was like that=2C I just about got everyth= ing > to work but I felt tense inside. It sometimes seems I only have 70% of my > usual capacities available to me on stage. >=20 > 3. Some parts of my complex setup that _always_ used to work at home will > inevitably fail for mysterious reasons when on stage. I sabotage myself i= f I > rely too much on everything to work 100%=2C including myself >=20 > -Michael >=20 >=20 = --_1f128855-2de4-4115-b84b-e6b4a1863cc3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Like some others here I'm all too ready to integrate a new piece of gear in= to my rig  =3Bdays/hours before playing with it live. =3B
Take = my advice DON'T DO IT!. =3B
Play safe=2C with confidence and = allow yourself to concentrate on the performance=2C (I'm tailing to myself = here)...

Peace=2C

Gareth<= br>
>=3B From: mp@mpeters.d= e
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: RE: = How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances
>=3B Date: Wed=2C 11 Jan 2012= 08:50:23 +0100
>=3B
>=3B 1. Recently I sabotaged myself by goin= g away to get some food and
>=3B socializing with friends _before_ eve= rything was set up=2C and then I had too
>=3B little time to set up in= a relaxed way (I won't do that again)
>=3B
>=3B 2. by wanting t= o do too many too complicated things. The complex setup that
>=3B I ca= n handle at home where I have enough space=2C enough light=2C and no time>=3B pressure is clearly too demanding for me live when there is only a= crammed
>=3B corner on a dark stage full of cables=2C and I only have= 20 minutes left to
>=3B setup. Horror. The last time it was like that= =2C I just about got everything
>=3B to work but I felt tense inside. = It sometimes seems I only have 70% of my
>=3B usual capacities availab= le to me on stage.
>=3B
>=3B 3. Some parts of my complex setup t= hat _always_ used to work at home will
>=3B inevitably fail for myster= ious reasons when on stage. I sabotage myself if I
>=3B rely too much = on everything to work 100%=2C including myself
>=3B
>=3B -Michae= l
>=3B
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= --_1f128855-2de4-4115-b84b-e6b4a1863cc3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 16:18:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10E9A1834F5; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:18:29 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01ccd07c$a92ca820$fb85f860$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJlph8V8RfySsK+N4PPXjmdPgvRnwKkzB1WAniF6igCYba2FAJkEje5lIaTIAA= Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <9nO_q.A.cFB.YZbDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Per, I wonder how many loopers are goaltenders (including myself). There = is something to be said about how the position is in many ways replete = with looping parallels: pucks come, their course altered and then they = leave, only to come back again. The endless oscillations from post to = post... I wonder if we mapped a goalie's position to a MIDI file what we'd get = ;-) Just sayin'... ;-) ~peace~ Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances I almost "missed the gig" once, in an earlier life when I was around 12 years old. I was the goal keeper of an ice hockey team and we were to = meet the champions in an important game. Well in the dressing room just = before showtime I discovered I had no skates in my trunk! Realized that my dear mother back home must have taken them out to let = the iron dry in order to prevent rusting. The team's coach phoned my mum = to confirm this was the case and then he took me in his car and drove by = double permitted speed to my place where I ran in and picked up the = skates. Did put them on in the car during the race back to the hockey = stadium and staggered right into the goal case from the car a minute = before the game was to start. The team did not have a back-up goal = keeper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Petri Lahtinen = wrote: > whoa - thats was pretty close Per! > Great stories, good thread! > > -Petri- > > 2012/1/11 Per Boysen >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Michael Peters = wrote: >> > 1. Recently I sabotaged myself by going away to get some food and=20 >> > socializing with friends _before_ everything was set up, and then I = >> > had too little time to set up in a relaxed way (I won't do that=20 >> > again) >> > >> > 2. by wanting to do too many too complicated things. The complex=20 >> > setup that I can handle at home where I have enough space, enough=20 >> > light, and no time pressure is clearly too demanding for me live=20 >> > when there is only a crammed corner on a dark stage full of cables, = >> > and I only have 20 minutes left to setup. Horror. The last time it=20 >> > was like that, I just about got everything to work but I felt tense = >> > inside. It sometimes seems I only have 70% of my usual capacities=20 >> > available to me on stage. >> > >> > 3. Some parts of my complex setup that _always_ used to work at=20 >> > home will inevitably fail for mysterious reasons when on stage. I=20 >> > sabotage myself if I rely too much on everything to work 100%,=20 >> > including myself >> > >> > -Michael >> >> >> 4. Using the computer for too many other tasks. >> When you have a computer it is tempting to use it for other purposes=20 >> than being the central brain of your music performance rig. I made=20 >> this mistake at the latest International Live Looping Festival in=20 >> Santa Cruz CA. I had been taking lots of photos and also helping=20 >> friends to move photo files between cameras and USB sticks. Somehow=20 >> this interfered with the system, OS X, and when I should start my=20 >> concert at the festival the damn laptop never booted! While everyone=20 >> thought that I was sitting by the stage side properly waiting for my=20 >> slot to enter into the spotlight the truth was that I was waiting in=20 >> chock for the Macbook Pro to repair itself. I did a "boot in save=20 >> mode" by holding down the shift key while pressing the power button=20 >> and in save-mode I opened the Disc Utility and set it up to "repair=20 >> file permissions". The process was initiated and estimated to take 11 = >> minutes. My GO time was due in 12 minutes. The box was fixed and=20 >> rebooted exactly at the moment my slot was announced. Phew... it was=20 >> really nice to start playing after that . Didn't "sabotage the gig" >> but it could have done so just as well. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 16:39:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84C9B1834F8; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 720596234/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.224/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.224 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMi6DU9YbRPg/2dsb2JhbAAMNoUPqlMBAQEEIxVAEQsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUZAwGtbZFggS+HUoIGgRYEmkqMfg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,493,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="720596234" Message-ID: <4F0DBB3D.6020006@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:39:25 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> <000f01ccd07c$a92ca820$fb85f860$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <000f01ccd07c$a92ca820$fb85f860$@michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:39:31 +0000 (UTC) mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > Per, I wonder how many loopers are goaltenders (including myself). only if you can be goalkeeper in some way not connected with sport :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 17:16:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3BE1834FA; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Creating Space Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:15:59 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:16:04 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote: >> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence = her due? >=20 > Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. Well said. Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking = for me. David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 17:37:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8A81834F5; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gG4zxxyiPiAy1hxUKM7xEIPaS5GHaaUxdMhDLaJSlU4=; b=Cl4j5uTgtB8WLLaL060ppLI3mDzOQxd9VA1xbc5iQaHYcviL2ULHcnEQ14IiBglegz CaspMQqDYRyb0zzhW4nJCNmQr7Ui0B8eCeZGomiT6X6rSWH4MW1ng9z/HV5xgRiKXduh NjIkyLd/V4W0KVlp02d2sVK8tKNCr4tc4/KJ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:37:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fNz7t8lVyXJ2c1SNoCZxMzK5y2g Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating Space From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: David Gans Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b390f7cf8239eb104b64415f0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:37:16 +0000 (UTC) --485b390f7cf8239eb104b64415f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 TOTALLY! I started playing guitar at 10 and am now 28. I think it took me until I was about 20 just to *realize* I don't need to play a shit ton of notes; and another four or five years to start implementing it in my solos. Actually, now that I think about it, that's around the time I bought my first loop station (RC20). That little box really helped me out with dynamics and silence specifically. It's like, before the RC-20, I always started with 1; then I learned 0. The RC-20 was my Moors. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:15 PM, David Gans wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote: > > >> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her > due? > > > > Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. > > Well said. Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking for > me. > > > > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > > > --485b390f7cf8239eb104b64415f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TOTALLY!

I started playing guitar at 10 and am now 28. I think it t= ook me until I was about 20 just to realize I don't need to play= a shit ton of notes; and another four or five years to start implementing = it in my solos.

Actually, now that I think about it, that's around the time I bough= t my first loop station (RC20). That little box really helped me out with d= ynamics and silence specifically. It's like, before the RC-20, I always= started with 1; then I learned 0. The RC-20 was my Moors.




On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:15 PM= , David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:

On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote:

>> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence= her due?
>
> Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginnin= g.

Well said. =A0Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking fo= r me.




David Gans - david@tr= ufun.com or david= @gdhour.com
Music: http:/= /www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans






--485b390f7cf8239eb104b64415f0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 17:52:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC94A1834FE; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TOCwqp8xbzuwRUonegLM59LrvMKa5EfYI7lIB+eeOqE=; b=kII2HCC7ncwI3fvVmvEIB/5kwl54Kw6dZB0FX8mpLRF2fEpFNTgth9xtcNeh216ML5 SpNwQwT5nqFGkcfGzYVWfMLlWDxNiPYw0xyYFPiUtEpk8HudDNHu1qYYfcclaJTrS+ei gMkNg4Mt/VPmcupIf8XdMY5QxhZBxOpKZnSNk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:52:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: LP2: The correct power source is: From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:52:20 +0000 (UTC) According to Rick, the BOSS PSA-120 power supply is the one that the pedal is made for: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012BPMHW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A3CLJYQ8X1E8Z4 I found a 9v negative tip 300mA power supply that I seem to be able to get sound I'm sending my pedal to Bob as well. At the very least he says he has a fix that will cut the noise floor in half. One thing I noticed is that each sound, when looped, is surrounded by some sort of digital artifacts, which could be the result of digital aliasing, or odd compression/noise gating. Also, the trim knob on the input works in the opposite direction than I expected. When you're facing the front of the pedal, turning the knob to the left makes it louder. Once I figured that out, I was starting to get enough results that I could monkey around with the features. REPLACE looks like it will be a lot of fun. It replaces the entire contents with whatever's coming in from the input, but ONLY for the amount of time that you're holding down the switch. The remaining "Replace" effects do not require you to hold down the switch, but will apply the effect to a fraction of the total loop length. This sounds like a great way to poke holes and transition what you're doing. RETRIGGER RANDOM plays the loop from a random part of the loop with each button tap. I think Rick mentioned earlier that this can be done while recording. I imagine you'll need to have a loop established already in order for that to work, since with a new loop the device won't know the loop's length yet. CONTINUE appears to only work when the loop is not playing. It appears to resume the loop from the point at which it was stopped. (Unlike the play/stop button, which would resume it from the beginning.) That leaves RETRIGGER ONCE and RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS as the 2 effects that I haven't figured out yet. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 18:17:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F126183500; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 717411585/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.224/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.224 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAJzRDU9YbRPg/2dsb2JhbAAMNq98AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd2t1CJAYMcBJpKjH4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,493,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="717411585" Message-ID: <4F0DD225.5060206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:17:09 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2s and power sources References: <4F0D597E.3010209@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Zak Kramer wrote: > I'm also using > the SD card Bob provided Could still be the problem. If it's not the psu then it's one of the 2 things Bob sent you. Can't remember if you said you tried a battery, but if not then it's worth giving it a go. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 18:53:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FB37183501; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0DDA95.6080705@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:53:09 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike@michaelplishka.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creating Space References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0Vcp2C.A.8UD.dqdDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:53:17 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > We all know that music is as much about the silence as it is about the > notes. However, when doing live shows, I often struggle with finding ways > of stripping down the performance (I use an EDP or Boomerang when I loop). > What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due? > This is a subject that is dear to may heart as both a writer and a producer: To me, it's important to have a sense of arrangement and the consciousness that we have the ability to overfill any piece in four distinct ways: 1) Timbrally (this means overloading the frequency spectrums, or *"Timbre Masking"*.........a boomy TR 808 kick drum sound and a subsonic bass synth or bass guitar sound --- you are going to have a muddy mix) 2) Rhythmically (and this is a much more complex answer that I address in my Rhythm Intensive course which I'll starting teaching on Skype some time this coming year) Essentially, this means playing several syncopated rhythms who are not subsets of each other or merely playing so many notes that there is no space. This I call *"Rhythmic Masking" * 3) *"Melodic and Harmonic Over Complexity"* creating so much density in Harmony (or Melody) that we overfill the piece 4) *"Dynamic Overfilling"*: essentially, if you have four very loud elements, then nothing is loud. Dynamics are only effective if there is some contrast. As a rule of thumb, it's good idea not to have great complexity in more than one of these areas: Timbre, Rhythm, Melody/Harmony, Dynamics, and frequently, great music doesn't have complexity an any of these elements. I'd say, have the courage to play simply.............truly listen to what you are playing and see if YOU can here the beauty in a simple idea you have created. I think we sometimes forget that a single note on an instrument can be beautiful. Think of some of the beautiful motion picture scores you've heard where the melody is a single piano note at a time. Think about Lionel Ritchie's 'Whistle Test'...........he says when you are contemplating the melody of a song you are writing, whistle it without accompaniement. It should be beautiful on it's own without it's backing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:10:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DC91183503; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0DDEB9.2010805@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:10:49 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:10:54 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, william middlemiss wrote: > Drum rudiments. Post them on the wall, practice them. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Army_Triplet > > http://rudimentstudies.com/rudiments.htm > > then, combine them. write out your combinations, post them on the > wall, practice them. > > If you know notation on even a slightly percussive instrument (piano > would definitely qualify) then you're ahead of the game. As a drummer, I like the rudiments but sometimes they are frustrating to me because they are so limited mathematically. As an example, the famous paradiddle R L R R L R L L is fascinating because it the present two double stroke rolls that when played together, force each hand to play on each side of the syncopation. The double right hands and double left hands balance each other out in this respect. for what it's worth, I developed these DOUBLE STROKE BALANCING EXERCISES to practice all of the ways to achieve this onbeat/offbeat sensibility in a set of 8 16th notes (half a measure in 4/4). They make really good exercises for pianist, percussionists and for guitar players (using up/down picking to substitute for R L order) Play them without accent at first. Then play them with all right hands (or down picks) accented and then again with all left hands accented. Lastly, play them each once in order without stopping every single day. In a month's time you will be very used to playing on any side of the beat (on/beat to off/beat) with ease. DOUBLE STROKE BALANCING EXERCISES copyright 1981 Rick Walker 1) R R l R l R l l 2) R R l R l R R l 3) R R l R l l R l "ratamacue" 4) R R l R R l R l 5) R R l l R l R l 6) R l l R l R l l 7) R l l R l R R l 8) R l l R l l R l "tresillo" 9) R l l R R l R l 10) R l R R l R l l "paradiddle" 11) R l R R l R R l "cinquillo" 12) R l R R l l R l 13) R l R l l R l l 14) R l R l l R R l 15) R l R l R R l l and then five more incorporating the pickup note 16) R |: R l R l R l l R :| 17) R |: R l R l R R l R :| 18) R |: R l R l l R l R :| 19) R |: R l R R l R l R :| 20) R |: R l l R l R l R :| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:19:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A0C7183502; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=etCmESppyPf1OOqTAFZsp++/U4LxpC05uXmLTS+/vUA=; b=BZ0Cke6ZxPMHg+4oF/TdiTY2SpAS5DMrhasQC+oB4Y940wNec9zInfpnoBZ70rZHti IWq91mvDpmo+N+q5w7bzITzXw0gFZ4hMSUP5CI9pCoi+woWr0uD9E+yXUHuB8b719i4m +YU2Ccv7V9WX6iZkZElzb86hHmFBluDpQ17E8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F0DD225.5060206@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F0D597E.3010209@tiscali.co.uk> <4F0DD225.5060206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2s and power sources From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd47f96a34a2e04b64583b7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:19:45 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd47f96a34a2e04b64583b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I haven't tried a "real" 9v yet, only the Pedal Juice, which is a Li-ion 9v that uses the power jack. Zak Kramer On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM, andy butler wrote: > Zak Kramer wrote: > > I'm also using the SD card Bob provided >> > > Could still be the problem. > > If it's not the psu then it's one of > the 2 things Bob sent you. > > Can't remember if you said you tried a battery, > but if not then it's worth giving it a go. > > > andy > > > > --000e0cd47f96a34a2e04b64583b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't tried a "real" 9v yet, only the Pedal Juice, which = is a Li-ion 9v that uses the power jack.

Zak Kramer

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM, andy bu= tler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Zak Kramer wrote:

I'm also using the SD card Bob provided

Could still be the problem.

If it's not the psu then it's one of
the 2 things Bob sent you.

Can't remember if you said you tried a battery,
but if not then it's worth giving it a go.


andy




--000e0cd47f96a34a2e04b64583b7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:20:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D82FC18350C; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0DE0DE.3070901@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:19:58 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Peters CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances References: <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> In-Reply-To: <006a01ccd035$aca684e0$05f38ea0$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:20:05 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > 1. Recently I sabotaged myself by going away to get some food and > socializing with friends_before_ everything was set up, and then I had too > little time to set up in a relaxed way (I won't do that again) I know this one well enough that I now have a strict pre-gig policy. I politely tell people that I have a pre-performance meditation that helps me to perform better and it involves not doing anything or hanging out to distract me from what is to come next. I tell them that I'd love to hang out with them after the performance is over and I've put my gear away. Put this way, I find that people are generally supportive. The people who aren't tend to be narcissistic and a bit emotionally vampiric and I try not to worry about them being upset or judgmental of me. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:33:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEBCA18350A; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0DE3EB.3070301@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:32:59 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Straschill , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Creating Space References: <4F0D9F59.6080903@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0D9F59.6080903@googlemail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010103060404080907080604" Resent-Message-ID: <_cXkTB.A.uFE.zPeDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:33:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010103060404080907080604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > ad 2: this is either turning off one of multiple loops or undoing. The > EDP (and its bastard software sibling, Möbius) has for a long time > been the only looper (I know of) which allows for multiple levels of > undo and redo. Of course, you can (with a reduced amount of undo/redo > levels) get the same result with something multitrack, e.g. the Repeater. fyi, the just released LP-2 Mini Looper from Looperlative has 30 levels of undo. it also has three retrigger modes: 1) retrigger ONCE (for retriggering melodies or rhythms only one time) 2) retrigger CONTINUOUS (for syncing to non-loopers in a rhythmic setting) 3) retrigger RANDOM (just for fun and for creating new and random ostinatos all reloopable). --------------010103060404080907080604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
ad 2: this is either turning off one of multiple loops or undoing. The EDP (and its bastard software sibling, Möbius) has for a long time been the only looper (I know of) which allows for multiple levels of undo and redo. Of course, you can (with a reduced amount of undo/redo levels) get the same result with something multitrack, e.g. the Repeater.
fyi,  the just released LP-2 Mini Looper from Looperlative has 30 levels of undo.

it also has three retrigger modes:

1) retrigger ONCE (for retriggering melodies or rhythms only one time)
2) retrigger CONTINUOUS (for syncing to non-loopers in a rhythmic setting)
3) retrigger RANDOM (just for fun and for creating new and random ostinatos all reloopable).
 --------------010103060404080907080604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:36:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD70718350E; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0DE4AF.4010705@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:36:15 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , ANDY BUTLER Subject: Re: Creating Space References: <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> In-Reply-To: <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Andy Butler wrote: > Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning This is beautifully put and thought provoking. May I have permission to quote you to my future students? rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:43:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA66418350E; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=stUWFnQ0dO/u2kms0eSFQwXr7/pdtZcZIO/QGhW+92Y=; b=swL86qXVjR791bAYWLcrWFzB4Gs67M+sR67XZNPGBpXnI8OsG0AsjNYwUyn7BfAkFM Aij+NIvfz+3+iG0qTfcNlt2vyi8N8h2LDfz/FrThqbCyrAKyVZtBltNVWQy8rjFVF4XG 2u4fuS9TnLvMXnYkj7/vO97rMzqylccihDe3A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <46595477-CF9C-4D35-B6A6-A03DC4806745@glasswing.com> <4F0D0D39.6050008@cruzio.com> <86ECF7A4-A3CB-4211-9D2A-E335D123B0C7@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:43:37 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Nerves on Stage: was Liking/Disliking your own music From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:43:38 +0000 (UTC) I get the shakes too. A strange thing is that I have this strange bell curve when it comes to practice and the quality of my performances. If I practice too much, my performances tend to be more formulaic and predictable. If it's been months since I've touched my gear, I tend to forget the newer ideas and sounds I've developed. So no matter how much I've practiced, I always feel like it's the wrong amount. One of the nice and unintended bonuses about my drum machine rig (or anything else that audiences aren't already familiar with) is that abstractifies peoples' expectations of what they're going to hear. Most people I've encountered who have rigs that look like mine use them for harsh noise music. So, while I hope that each set will leave the ground and transport the listeners somewhere (figuratively), I find that on my worst gigs people still act excited that I made some coherent sounds. Wow, now that I wrote that down, it seems a little depressing - I do well because people have lower standards for me. :( Anyway, doing completely improvised sets comes with pluses and minuses. On one hand, you have faith in your ability to recover from mistakes and gear mishaps. On the other hand, you don't really have an net to fall back on if you're uninspired. Usually things work out in the end, but that situation where you're expected to start playing inspired music in a few minutes, and currently you're feeling pretty empty inside, can be pretty terrifying. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 20:17:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CDF4183510; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-11_03:2012-01-11,2012-01-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201110212 Subject: Re: Creating Space From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:17:23 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-id: <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <3S56OB.A.U3E.X5eDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:17:27 +0000 (UTC) When improvising, I find that I create space more effectively if I focus primarily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of cognitive priority to the pulse. A singluar and humbling focus. When so doing, musical phrases seem to come from beyond.. The part of me that needs to prove something is firmly bridled to the job of keeping a steady pulse in my body no matter what syncopations the hands and voice may produce. What remains is a more sparse, better phrased and more conversational musician... the groove is better integrated into the improvised phrases. And the listener is drawn more deeply into the music by the space between the notes. At least, thats what I shoot for. Daniel On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote: > >>> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due? >> >> Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. > > Well said. Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking for me. > > > > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 20:38:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D0AD1834D6; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-11_03:2012-01-11,2012-01-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201110218 Subject: Re: Creating Space From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:37:28 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-id: <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Another observation comes to mind. When I was really young, maybe 13 or 14, I asked my guitar teacher to teach me to play fusion. I cited Mahavishnu Orchestra, Meeting of Spirits. He laughed and said... "I can't teach you that stuff man-- its got no space in it. But I can teach you how to play this great new Steely Dan album!" He gave me a copy of the just released Aja / Peg on cassette and sent me home with the following "anti-rhythm" assignment To listen to the rhodes part and learn to play its 'anti-rhythm' -- the negative space between the notes -- with my hand on my leg. No instrument in my lap. At the time, I remember thinking-- maybe this guy doesn't even know how to play the guitar!.. he is teaching me a part that piano player never did play on a song I did not ask to learn.. wtf?? Despite my adolescent doubts, the assignment totally blew my mind. It was very hard to do and 30 something years later the experience stills influencing my musical choices. I learned Peg that summer by first learning the anti-rhythm of each and every part. By way of this discipline, he taught me to listen for the space between the notes-- the substance of musical phrasing. And he turned me onto one of the greatest bands ever. God I loved that guy. His name, I cannot remember now... maybe it was James. I remember that he played in a phenomenal Tulsa band called the Flying Horse Opera w/ the amazing Randy Crouch. daniel > When improvising, I find that I create space more effectively if I focus primarily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of cognitive priority to the pulse. A singluar and humbling focus. > > When so doing, musical phrases seem to come from beyond.. The part of me that needs to prove something is firmly bridled to the job of keeping a steady pulse in my body no matter what syncopations the hands and voice may produce. What remains is a more sparse, better phrased and more conversational musician... the groove is better integrated into the improvised phrases. And the listener is drawn more deeply into the music by the space between the notes. At least, thats what I shoot for. > > Daniel > On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote: > >> >> On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote: >> >>>> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due? >>> >>> Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. >> >> Well said. Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking for me. >> >> >> >> >> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 20:51:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE7BE183477; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=TzeflIJVNBgoS8rjz6w4tIZE/jzZvJPPco6YcvtNSgo=; b=ue9KM2w8TRrqaUJqHOzFudnYXFgqKv6q/iv1w2pua/VU7WyCTtO2YUEXEDcAthAN+q 9C7ondOESiOE400BFAzYIaBjXt4k+nd/fCd5ARoI1SCyCf9rGJ6dJb+j99ltapTxEWUx PeL/stfHKvjqoNQlWhXiAKS0KMBEEhQ9WmwqA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:50:45 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: csXi7IoyEXuyIN_luWyIlKuLJt8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating Space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044480d760671804b646ca7b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:51:06 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044480d760671804b646ca7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Interesting thread: I am not a big fan of the classic... TECHNIQUE #1: "reduce feedback level" and have things fade out, Id rather use that technique when morphing into something new. But I love... TECHNIQUE #2: ...undo. going back through the stages till you get to the start point, especially if your live instrument is being played full tilt over the top and NOT getting put into the loop, but what happens when you are stamping the undo pedal switch and nothing seems to happen anymore, a quick glance (at EDP) and "HORROR" you have run out of undo memory!, well then its then either T#1 or , my favorite, what I call... TECHNIQUE #3 ...hard silence. I actually often do this after particularly unruly space jam kinda improvs, where the loop has just built and built and is just flatline distortion, whitenoise drone, etc. Then, I choose carefully an 8ths setting (Normally quite a big chunk), like a quarter (4) but sometimes an odd number like 5. and do a totally silent (as in dont play anything) QUANTISED SUS SUB. This is EDP language for inserting a splice of silence. (Sus means sustain, because you get one only as long as you foot is down, its quantised beccause it will automatically extend to the length of the 8th setting , and Sub means substitute, as in totally rplace with... in this case... nothing, silence) Its a harsh wake up call after 10 to 15 minutes of full on drone. and if you have a drummer it can be a cool moment for them because they are no doubt beating their little hearts out, but for the last 10 minutes not been heard because you are a noisy bugger.. suddenly there they are, and if they can lock with the gap, its an awesome moment. But yeah, as has been mentioned a few times, best approach for intriducing space, is.. TECHNIQUE #4 Stop the loop! Mark --f46d044480d760671804b646ca7b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting thread:

I am not a big fan of the classic...

TECH= NIQUE #1:
"reduce feedback level" and have things fade out, Id= rather use that technique when morphing into something new.

But I = love...
TECHNIQUE #2:
...undo. going back through the stages till you get to th= e start point, especially if your live instrument is being played full tilt= over the top and NOT getting put into the loop, but what happens when you = are stamping the undo pedal switch and nothing seems to happen anymore, a q= uick glance (at EDP) and "HORROR" you have run out of undo memory= !, well then its then either T#1 or , my favorite, what I call...
TECHNIQUE #3=A0
...hard silence. I actually often do this after particu= larly unruly space jam kinda improvs, where the loop has just built and bui= lt and is just flatline distortion, whitenoise drone, etc. Then, I choose c= arefully an 8ths setting (Normally quite a big chunk), like a quarter (4) b= ut sometimes an odd number like 5. and do a totally silent (as in dont play= anything) QUANTISED SUS SUB.

This is EDP language for inserting a splice of silence. (Sus means sust= ain, because you get one only as long as you foot is down, its quantised be= ccause it will automatically extend to the length of the 8th setting , and = Sub means substitute, as in totally rplace with... in this case... nothing,= silence)

Its a harsh wake up call after 10 to 15 minutes of full on drone. and i= f you have a drummer it can be a cool moment for them because they are no d= oubt beating their little hearts out, but for the last 10 minutes not been = heard because you are a noisy bugger.. suddenly there they are, and if they= can lock with the gap, its an awesome moment.

But yeah, as has been mentioned a few times, best approach for intriduc= ing space, is..

TECHNIQUE #4

Stop the loop!


Mark --f46d044480d760671804b646ca7b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 20:57:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8D418348B; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eMmNP+xeW5uSIGoMcQNNcLpmIjdtTZUxV9Jy1JYrh73H+oCzZ8Z3jU6lCA+qjKq0; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:54:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Creating Space Cc: David Gans Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7912a4aa797954fcc0fff55a4b4d1fb1f5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:57:39 +0000 (UTC) What a great recollection, Daniel! At 12:37 -0800 11/1/12, Daniel Thomas wrote: >Another observation comes to mind. When I was really young, maybe >13 or 14, I asked my guitar teacher to teach me to play fusion. I >cited Mahavishnu Orchestra, Meeting of Spirits. He laughed and >said... "I can't teach you that stuff man-- its got no space in it. >But I can teach you how to play this great new Steely Dan album!" > >He gave me a copy of the just released Aja / Peg on cassette and >sent me home with the following "anti-rhythm" assignment > >To listen to the rhodes part and learn to play its 'anti-rhythm' -- >the negative space between the notes -- with my hand on my leg. No >instrument in my lap. At the time, I remember thinking-- maybe this >guy doesn't even know how to play the guitar!.. he is teaching me a >part that piano player never did play on a song I did not ask to >learn.. wtf?? > >Despite my adolescent doubts, the assignment totally blew my mind. >It was very hard to do and 30 something years later the experience >stills influencing my musical choices. I learned Peg that summer by >first learning the anti-rhythm of each and every part. By way of >this discipline, he taught me to listen for the space between the >notes-- the substance of musical phrasing. And he turned me onto >one of the greatest bands ever. > >God I loved that guy. His name, I cannot remember now... maybe it >was James. I remember that he played in a phenomenal Tulsa band >called the Flying Horse Opera w/ the amazing Randy Crouch. > >daniel > > > > >> When improvising, I find that I create space more effectively if I >>focus primarily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of >>cognitive priority to the pulse. A singluar and humbling focus. >> >> When so doing, musical phrases seem to come from beyond.. The >>part of me that needs to prove something is firmly bridled to the >>job of keeping a steady pulse in my body no matter what >>syncopations the hands and voice may produce. What remains is a >>more sparse, better phrased and more conversational musician... the >>groove is better integrated into the improvised phrases. And the >>listener is drawn more deeply into the music by the space between >>the notes. At least, thats what I shoot for. >> >> Daniel >> On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote: >>> >>>>> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give >>>>>silence her due? >>>> >>>> Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. >>> >>> Well said. Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term >>>undertaking for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >>> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 21:14:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B3AA183465; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_t3J83t3KDQW20rGGEpfIHA)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-11_04:2012-01-11,2012-01-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201110230 From: Daniel Thomas Subject: Re: Creating Space Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:13:32 -0800 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:14:04 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_t3J83t3KDQW20rGGEpfIHA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ok.. one more response to this thread from me-- this one less philosophical.. perhaps more in alignment with the spirit of the thread :) when looping, i create space by way of many methods: some that come to mind-- -- Mute loop. -- Stop loop. -- Stretch loop into such a length that its rhythmic elements become abstract pads. --Create a short static loop-- like a beat box part- then create a very very long loop, say 32 bars but play over only the first few bars of the loop. This way, the part looped element comes around only once in a blue moon and the remainder of the loop length can be consumed with answer call parts across multiple voices. I particularly like this method because, undo / redo provides on the fly terrace dynamic arrangement possibilities as you layer in an layer out the calls and responses that you have recorded into the long loop. d On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:37 AM, daniel wrote: > TOTALLY! > > I started playing guitar at 10 and am now 28. I think it took me until I was about 20 just to realize I don't need to play a shit ton of notes; and another four or five years to start implementing it in my solos. > > Actually, now that I think about it, that's around the time I bought my first loop station (RC20). That little box really helped me out with dynamics and silence specifically. It's like, before the RC-20, I always started with 1; then I learned 0. The RC-20 was my Moors. > > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:15 PM, David Gans wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote: > > >> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due? > > > > Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. > > Well said. Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking for me. > > > > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > > > --Boundary_(ID_t3J83t3KDQW20rGGEpfIHA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ok.. = one more response to this thread from me-- this one less philosophical.. = perhaps more in alignment with the spirit of the thread = :)

when looping, i create space by way of many = methods:
some that come to mind--

-- = Mute loop.

-- Stop = loop. 

-- Stretch loop into such a length = that its rhythmic elements become abstract = pads.

--Create a short static loop-- like a = beat box part-  then create a very very long loop, say 32 bars but = play over only the first few bars of the loop.   This way, the part = looped element comes around only once in a blue moon and the remainder = of the loop length can be consumed with answer call parts across = multiple voices.   I particularly like this method because, undo / = redo provides on the fly terrace dynamic arrangement possibilities as = you layer in an layer out the calls and responses that you have recorded = into the long = loop. 

d

On Jan = 11, 2012, at 9:37 AM, daniel wrote:

TOTALLY! =

I started playing guitar at 10 and am now 28. I think it took me = until I was about 20 just to realize I don't need to play a shit = ton of notes; and another four or five years to start implementing it in = my solos.

Actually, now that I think about it, that's around the time I bought = my first loop station (RC20). That little box really helped me out with = dynamics and silence specifically. It's like, before the RC-20, I always = started with 1; then I learned 0. The RC-20 was my Moors.




On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:15 = PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:

On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote:

>> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give = silence her due?
>
> Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's = beginning.

Well said.  Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term = undertaking for me.




David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans







= --Boundary_(ID_t3J83t3KDQW20rGGEpfIHA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 21:36:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED7E5183462; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TmJLlolAY/HpXSh5VilJpz6h1iZE1N3R6Gnd3p+uL0k=; b=kC9oYhnqBw6zhsryzBkOKAQTIRdZYTY6nVZBx+d2jsXjWii1ebzLd8Yf4kvREO3Fq6 34eN8Sdkp95KWBbsaTemUCTI2uravXoatbAaL2EnthL6s2zFRlAnXsPUNhBLOEEwMAud OVf10Fx3nAwwcK+2Ojd6kHGZv18kxTsm9KA2g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> References: <4F0D0F7B.2050805@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:36:24 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How Do We Sabotage Our Live Performances From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker was like: > > Lastly, =A0there are times when I want to show the audience all the thing= s I > can do musically.... > ....to show off my entire skill set. =A0 =A0This is a total mistake from = my > experience and frequently > leads to a show that is too ambitious (particularly in terms of time for = set > up). > I keep wanting to do it, though, =A0so I struggle with it. =A0It's really= pure > petty ego and I know it, > but I also have a tendency to forget things like that in the insecurity o= f a > performance. > I've seen a few people do this and you're right. It's bad for the musician for a few reasons: 1) If the audience thinks they've seen your entire skill set, they'll be less likely to need to see you play again. 2) When you do save some of your bag of tricks for a future concert, you remain "fresh" to the people who see you again. 3) The need to touch on all the techniques a musician has, like the need to use all the pieces of gear a musician brought to the show, distracts from the creative process of music making. When I've done it, I've found that it creates an alternative to actual inspiration. By trying to steer away from it, I kind of force myself to be more inspired. 4) Some of my favorite performances have been those where the musician focuses on a very narrow area of their repertoire. So, I couple years ago, I managed to stop doing the standard improvisation pitfall of playing non-stop for the entire set. Now I usually break it up into 10 minute songs with a break in between. The next big hurdle for me to try to get having patience with myself when I'm in front of people. When I play at home, I usually take the time to do that focus I talk about in #4 - and focus on a small range of sounds for 20 minutes or so. When I'm in front of people, I get nervous that I'm boring people, and change things up more often. However, when I listen to the recordings, i almost often think that I'm switching ideas too quickly. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 21:39:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28AEC18345C; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 153565.63756.bm@omp1027.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326317939; bh=W9UA5fwyR9vnbegp7EXUfjCfhEAXQ4jWBnMRa2Piriw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vJuls4x1tif4pEuWUtrpTEGgxZbxfyIkV3qJS3mIeYsPmSMWaCADxK/S89RLGu5hJcUzdI19/GisVCYkbpVUy+fc75cf7IA3SDEou5NZsptBEDCfz9OqqxfY+8XGMrYr8vaxgOKWFfuHsAERqbNkjjjoExLA+IsEhxaNBQSveZ4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J4bAp75i/uCuDJ1EHRkO+2DOVxPj0gp+lMJRUxjprlAYCUE/HjhQue9Jxsm+7tBvhD64TfFkwvnPBtDjnnsRjI9nMMbeMd+3GvqA9Bq8dGiIabWaDoE6d7PWePF+cpx5BQVns4d9EcqPUohKzK9fPunhcPcANKq0SUiwlWv7QCc=; X-YMail-OSG: r_1aEX8VM1n6Mm1KpXjnhQYxH0cmZc2ees0Gw.nnc2BVdy0 qT4_WrTSKR87xI.6zJqhO5L8SYJw4_NvVWre7u9fpRh7OcjpR.UqQiyrhY2X UkEToTAL0xCeOxLHgLWmeAvNqcBkt0cABWpzEkOWTBKVzIMWkI7GdaQmV8hI VbTLrnwc.ixFn0VTfFRXGhPDRQ32fP.JcGhOkuudsh_HPckEvqKqNTMPPUO8 fe1mWqTNwRUtwtv71.ytnrCxKT0P29LmC27GimeCxK3VjHWtjBLSiXitFLFu sTrXEZGdVoLFzcGmPbM0xgbkDIl2NOnft1mrW84VlSakO1GLv02z6h2pX20n p4MSfe8JNt09Ny3jMYvf478ZLRWVQVd7qLvnhsVb7Jj37wb1xjY4R8iORb4N I1OVO5iS1H_8Zxb_y3aaOrYpMdpkwptSi_Il1kvj5j8WtxHT2FpDBOgYoPzv 8iTkg6B5NDCYQPTqPq2PkyqsBH0pnmasehGALGFmRIMcnKu5G75RsyO7uGM_ 9meelzNu8NRFbKJ3L93yWSHk0VEx__9iA7xYOcohVoovUpTZYxrAcwHhkr9k 25rNRK7HKflvaoTNQOg4PZeLnYJAfE.WEviqaPmNpNGYezq6GgpyF_PiIcj2 QfXM3eyVcwlv6llFl_zqVWfRmOIYZ46glfSo3Gy14wj.P3f8Zmzm1dzYDm.S P8KMwfpL.slUiZJaoRobQNg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> Message-ID: <1326317939.28732.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:38:59 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Creating Space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-820900331-1135472844-1326317939=:28732" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:39:01 +0000 (UTC) ---820900331-1135472844-1326317939=:28732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another thing I have to do on a regular basis, is reach over to the amp of= the guitarist I work with a lot, and turn it off. Not only does he special= ize in 64th notes, he always asks which slider on the board is his guitar, = and, as soon as I'm not looking, he reaches over and pushes it ALL the way = to the top. At live shows, he comes with his 2 100 watt stacks for a 60 sea= t venue, and with 3,000 to 4,000 watts out the mains, you still can't hear = the PA. I'm not slamming guitarists, heck I play one myself. There's just a= small percentage out there that are not functional unless thier volume is = high enough to completely envelope them, (along with everyone else on stage= ). \rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Charles Zwicky =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ACc: David G= ans =0ASent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:54 PM=0ASubj= ect: Re: Creating Space=0A=0AWhat a great recollection, Daniel!=0A=0AAt 12:= 37 -0800 11/1/12, Daniel Thomas wrote:=0A> Another observation comes to min= d.=A0 When I was really young, maybe 13 or 14, I asked my guitar teacher to= teach me to play fusion.=A0 I cited Mahavishnu Orchestra, Meeting of Spiri= ts.=A0 He laughed and said... "I can't teach you that stuff man-- its got n= o space in it. But I can teach you how to play this great new Steely Dan al= bum!" =0A> He gave me a copy of the just released Aja=A0 / Peg on cassette = and sent me home with the following=A0 "anti-rhythm" assignment=0A> =0A> To= listen to the rhodes part and learn to play its 'anti-rhythm' -- the negat= ive space between the notes -- with my hand on my leg.=A0 No instrument in = my lap.=A0 At the time, I remember thinking-- maybe this guy doesn't even k= now how to play the guitar!.. he is teaching me a part that piano player ne= ver did play on a song I did not ask to learn.. wtf??=0A> =0A> Despite my a= dolescent doubts, the assignment totally blew my mind. It was very hard to = do and=A0 30 something years later the experience stills influencing my mus= ical choices.=A0 I learned Peg that summer by first learning the anti-rhyth= m of each and every part.=A0 By way of this discipline, he taught me to lis= ten for the space between the notes-- the substance of musical phrasing.=A0= And he turned me onto one of the greatest bands ever.=A0 =A0 =0A> God I lo= ved that guy. His name, I cannot remember now... maybe it was James.=A0 I r= emember that he played in a phenomenal Tulsa band called the Flying Horse O= pera w/ the amazing Randy Crouch. =0A> daniel=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>>=A0 W= hen improvising, I find that I create space more effectively if I focus pri= marily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of cognitive priorit= y to the pulse.=A0 A singluar and humbling focus.=0A>> =0A>>=A0 When so doi= ng, musical=A0 phrases seem to come from beyond..=A0 The part of me that ne= eds to prove something is firmly bridled to the job of keeping a steady pul= se in my body no matter what syncopations the hands and voice may produce.= =A0 What remains is a more sparse, better phrased and more conversational m= usician... the groove is better integrated into the improvised phrases.=A0 = And the listener is drawn more deeply into the music by the space between t= he notes.=A0 At least, thats what I shoot for.=0A>> =0A>>=A0 Daniel=0A>>=A0= On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote:=0A>> =0A>>> =0A>>>=A0 On Ja= n 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote:=0A>>> =0A>>>>>=A0 What do the me= mbers of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due?=0A>>>> =0A>>>= >=A0 Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning.= =0A>>> =0A>>>=A0 Well said.=A0 Learning when NOT to play has been a long-te= rm undertaking for me.=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>>=A0 David Gans - da= vid@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com=0A>>>=A0 Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/al= l/dgans=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>> =0A=0A=0A-- =0A...=0Ahttp:/= /www.zmix.net=0A=0Ahttp://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky=0A=0Ahttp://albumcre= dits.com/zmix ---820900331-1135472844-1326317939=:28732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another thing I have to do on  a regular basis, is reach over to = the amp of the guitarist I work with a lot, and turn it off. Not only does = he specialize in 64th notes, he always asks which slider on the board is hi= s guitar, and, as soon as I'm not looking, he reaches over and pushes i= t ALL the way to the top. At live shows, he comes with his 2 100 watt stack= s for a 60 seat venue, and with 3,000 to 4,000 watts out the mains, you sti= ll can't hear the PA. I'm not slamming guitarists, heck I play one = myself. There's just a small percentage out there that are not function= al unless thier volume is high enough to completely envelope them, (along w= ith everyone else on stage).=0D
\rig
= From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@e= arthlink.net>
To: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:54 PM<= br> Subject: Re: Creating = Space

=0AWhat a great recollection, Daniel!

A= t 12:37 -0800 11/1/12, Daniel Thomas wrote:
> Another observation com= es to mind.  When I was really young, maybe 13 or 14, I asked my guit= ar teacher to teach me to play fusion.  I cited Mahavishnu Orchestra,= Meeting of Spirits.  He laughed and said... "I can't teach you that s= tuff man-- its got no space in it. But I can teach you how to play this gre= at new Steely Dan album!"
> He gave me a copy of the just released A= ja  / Peg on cassette and sent me home with the following  "anti-= rhythm" assignment
>
> To listen to the rhodes part and learn = to play its 'anti-rhythm' -- the negative space between the notes -- with m= y hand on my leg.  No instrument in my lap.  At the time, I reme= mber thinking-- maybe this guy doesn't even know how to play the guitar!.. = he is teaching me a part that piano player never did play on a song I did n= ot ask to learn.. wtf??
>
> Despite my adolescent doubts, the assignment totall= y blew my mind. It was very hard to do and  30 something years later t= he experience stills influencing my musical choices.  I learned Peg th= at summer by first learning the anti-rhythm of each and every part.  = By way of this discipline, he taught me to listen for the space between the= notes-- the substance of musical phrasing.  And he turned me onto one= of the greatest bands ever.   
> God I loved that guy. Hi= s name, I cannot remember now... maybe it was James.  I remember that = he played in a phenomenal Tulsa band called the Flying Horse Opera w/ the a= mazing Randy Crouch.
> daniel
>
>
>
> >>  When improvising, I find that I create space more effective= ly if I focus primarily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of = cognitive priority to the pulse.  A singluar and humbling focus.
>>
>>  When so doing, musical  phrases= seem to come from beyond..  The part of me that needs to prove someth= ing is firmly bridled to the job of keeping a steady pulse in my body no ma= tter what syncopations the hands and voice may produce.  What remains = is a more sparse, better phrased and more conversational musician... the gr= oove is better integrated into the improvised phrases.  And the listen= er is drawn more deeply into the music by the space between the notes. = ; At least, thats what I shoot for.
>>
>>  Daniel>>  On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote:
>>=
>>>
>>>  On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy = butler wrote:
>>>
>>>>>  What do the me= mbers of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due?
>>&g= t;>
>>>>  Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning.
>>>
>>>  W= ell said.  Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking = for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =
>>>  David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com<= BR>>>>  Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans
>>>= ;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
&= gt;>


--
...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.ese= ssion.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix



<= /div>
---820900331-1135472844-1326317939=:28732-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 21:41:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D11218345C; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 5240.85564.bm@omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1326318116; bh=DgIdcq3fSA+fyCQOByT6uSifNAz8vYbrhB6mdcoU4Xs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mMSTFfhJ4OZzI6zMLJkyl/qCgHHTQvxYv7QDmMBPfYVJTzJPtXr/3uQjIyq/Qj8bP4keqFyIhloMDL0/TgbcphlnyWWTgO4Pbka6bVD7yaX56WEv7ku8kAJLEL/0hi5FUVlL7svfpihcMJ8PFj66thIhIJg7pWzgQ37lhvyiVMI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pgq14EeLR0SU+x6Ixb81HcBG2XERajbgd0FzKxb/qYNbTsHtG6sn8e0s/S4h6yJP4FtSu5T/oYaxuwD5r3VLW3HZUKMCWwUkSLy3jdxBCsLYMJO/PB+VkNW4Yf3RLfsjUfeZCsfuFAnkSFaOJAnO3WXkA5oIt2VVSJxTcwLsAuM=; X-YMail-OSG: QkhRH00VM1m.Z.kd9vFkGvr5ML8.p0FQXH_hisdwhqFvlan MUudYL4QrFoKlSyiSoRGvqC5Jvj1_DNayn7F4mH5vaWXDZBedtTdiKWiewfO 96YJJ.UDob7qOsDVEGZTnHtYOkDftAh5z_PIc5XQNilLO9QavW_HR_PEvXoM 1Mpr89gfEluDYxl0GXB_Uj0gOAOae4WDCP_NI5xf8VAVfWsFNdpr.qVNE.yb xNvjfZAnT2yttkUZqw6znaH0ydbnls2A7rZvB5LiMtJXR6pJy.HfVpmaKKG. LChqCE.0uj_lBbiXQIrHlt.6pcrJqyeAebUACDcueQFFn2pBVU3HFsbp1K1T nv3lYFvr3y7YzoNPNCeISrQKV.amlmGig4Su4DvK67SR6SVnTf5mW7btJ9LO AlxsON6_kOVeqqpu_QXRdAxVnWr1M1isnhgSNl8WBg9oAELZF2iAdJk87l0e 3Z9cTCGjlOdw1brANWagtUHU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <4F0DE4AF.4010705@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1326318116.28626.YahooMailNeo@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Creating Space To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F0DE4AF.4010705@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2002498609-1063959498-1326318116=:28626" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:41:58 +0000 (UTC) ---2002498609-1063959498-1326318116=:28626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another thing to do is play some reggae(sic). If you can't find places to put a space in the music many times over, your not playing proper reggae(sic again). rig ________________________________ From: Rick Walker To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) ; ANDY BUTLER Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Creating Space Andy Butler wrote: > Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning This is beautifully put and thought provoking. May I have permission to quote you to my future students? rick walker ---2002498609-1063959498-1326318116=:28626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Another thing to do is play some reggae(sic). If you can't find places to put a space in the music many times over, your not playing proper reggae(sic again).
rig
From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>; ANDY BUTLER <a_butler@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Creating Space

Andy Butler wrote:
> Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning


This is beautifully put and thought provoking.

May I have permission to quote you to my future students?

rick walker



---2002498609-1063959498-1326318116=:28626-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 21:42:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E81183477; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_g5+nDIkjUu6zdaL4yRPHWA)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-11_04:2012-01-11,2012-01-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201110239 Subject: Re: Creating Space From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <1326317939.28732.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:42:09 -0800 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> <1326317939.28732.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: bill bigrig X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <2XNiy.A.rdG.0IgDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:42:13 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_g5+nDIkjUu6zdaL4yRPHWA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Try putting sheet music in front of him. :) d On Jan 11, 2012, at 1:38 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Another thing I have to do on a regular basis, is reach over to the amp of the guitarist I work with a lot, and turn it off. Not only does he specialize in 64th notes, he always asks which slider on the board is his guitar, and, as soon as I'm not looking, he reaches over and pushes it ALL the way to the top. At live shows, he comes with his 2 100 watt stacks for a 60 seat venue, and with 3,000 to 4,000 watts out the mains, you still can't hear the PA. I'm not slamming guitarists, heck I play one myself. There's just a small percentage out there that are not functional unless thier volume is high enough to completely envelope them, (along with everyone else on stage). > \rig > From: Charles Zwicky > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: David Gans > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: Creating Space > > What a great recollection, Daniel! > > At 12:37 -0800 11/1/12, Daniel Thomas wrote: > > Another observation comes to mind. When I was really young, maybe 13 or 14, I asked my guitar teacher to teach me to play fusion. I cited Mahavishnu Orchestra, Meeting of Spirits. He laughed and said... "I can't teach you that stuff man-- its got no space in it. But I can teach you how to play this great new Steely Dan album!" > > He gave me a copy of the just released Aja / Peg on cassette and sent me home with the following "anti-rhythm" assignment > > > > To listen to the rhodes part and learn to play its 'anti-rhythm' -- the negative space between the notes -- with my hand on my leg. No instrument in my lap. At the time, I remember thinking-- maybe this guy doesn't even know how to play the guitar!.. he is teaching me a part that piano player never did play on a song I did not ask to learn.. wtf?? > > > > Despite my adolescent doubts, the assignment totally blew my mind. It was very hard to do and 30 something years later the experience stills influencing my musical choices. I learned Peg that summer by first learning the anti-rhythm of each and every part. By way of this discipline, he taught me to listen for the space between the notes-- the substance of musical phrasing. And he turned me onto one of the greatest bands ever. > > God I loved that guy. His name, I cannot remember now... maybe it was James. I remember that he played in a phenomenal Tulsa band called the Flying Horse Opera w/ the amazing Randy Crouch. > > daniel > > > > > > > > > >> When improvising, I find that I create space more effectively if I focus primarily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of cognitive priority to the pulse. A singluar and humbling focus. > >> > >> When so doing, musical phrases seem to come from beyond.. The part of me that needs to prove something is firmly bridled to the job of keeping a steady pulse in my body no matter what syncopations the hands and voice may produce. What remains is a more sparse, better phrased and more conversational musician... the groove is better integrated into the improvised phrases. And the listener is drawn more deeply into the music by the space between the notes. At least, thats what I shoot for. > >> > >> Daniel > >> On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote: > >>> > >>>>> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due? > >>>> > >>>> Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. > >>> > >>> Well said. Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking for me. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > >>> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > > --Boundary_(ID_g5+nDIkjUu6zdaL4yRPHWA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Try = putting sheet music  in front of him. =  :)

d
On Jan 11, 2012, at 1:38 PM, = bill bigrig wrote:

Another = thing I have to do on  a regular basis, is reach over to the = amp of the guitarist I work with a lot, and turn it off. Not only does = he specialize in 64th notes, he always asks which slider on the board is = his guitar, and, as soon as I'm not looking, he reaches over and pushes = it ALL the way to the top. At live shows, he comes with his 2 100 watt = stacks for a 60 seat venue, and with 3,000 to 4,000 watts out the mains, = you still can't hear the PA. I'm not slamming guitarists, heck I play = one myself. There's just a small percentage out there that are not = functional unless thier volume is high enough to completely envelope = them, (along with everyone else on stage).
\rig
=
From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
= To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Cc: David Gans <david@trufun.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, = 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Creating Space

What a great recollection, Daniel!

At 12:37 -0800 11/1/12, Daniel = Thomas wrote:
> Another observation comes to mind.  When I = was really young, maybe 13 or 14, I asked my guitar teacher to teach me = to play fusion.  I cited Mahavishnu Orchestra, Meeting of = Spirits.  He laughed and said... "I can't teach you that stuff = man-- its got no space in it. But I can teach you how to play this great = new Steely Dan album!"
> He gave me a copy of the just released = Aja  / Peg on cassette and sent me home with the following  = "anti-rhythm" assignment
>
> To listen to the rhodes part = and learn to play its 'anti-rhythm' -- the negative space between the = notes -- with my hand on my leg.  No instrument in my lap.  = At the time, I remember thinking-- maybe this guy doesn't even know how = to play the guitar!.. he is teaching me a part that piano player never = did play on a song I did not ask to learn.. wtf??
>
> Despite my adolescent doubts, the assignment = totally blew my mind. It was very hard to do and  30 something = years later the experience stills influencing my musical choices.  = I learned Peg that summer by first learning the anti-rhythm of each and = every part.  By way of this discipline, he taught me to listen for = the space between the notes-- the substance of musical phrasing.  = And he turned me onto one of the greatest bands ever.    =
> God I loved that guy. His name, I cannot remember now... maybe = it was James.  I remember that he played in a phenomenal Tulsa band = called the Flying Horse Opera w/ the amazing Randy Crouch.
> = daniel
>
>
>
>
>>  When = improvising, I find that I create space more effectively if I focus = primarily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of cognitive = priority to the pulse.  A singluar and humbling focus.
>>
>>  When so doing, musical  = phrases seem to come from beyond..  The part of me that needs to = prove something is firmly bridled to the job of keeping a steady pulse = in my body no matter what syncopations the hands and voice may = produce.  What remains is a more sparse, better phrased and more = conversational musician... the groove is better integrated into the = improvised phrases.  And the listener is drawn more deeply into the = music by the space between the notes.  At least, thats what I shoot = for.
>>
>>  Daniel
>>  On Jan 11, = 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote:
>>
>>> =
>>>  On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler = wrote:
>>>
>>>>>  What do the = members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her = due?
>>>>
>>>>  Put as much effort = into the end of each note as into it's beginning.
>>> =
>>>  Well said.  Learning when NOT to play has = been a long-term undertaking for me.
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>>
>>>  David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>> = ; Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>


--
...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.ese= ssion.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix



=

= --Boundary_(ID_g5+nDIkjUu6zdaL4yRPHWA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 22:11:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EEFA183466; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=GE47olcVk/nxTEp3/lKvqg/96VsFqPejGTqMT3Xc5rU=; b=VORzvevCuET9eG+2NSZ4aJMPDgJEoWLvip3Xdrd1reUDsA3ezT6L2g1l0GkUFO5+t2 hKaM68epA5HrqjHhJpBYS2AaXbyQ28KPODdMoPsQ/+yb48z/bIyqnDThcYPstboWxt5R miQsBAl5P4d/S15XdY9LWRKNHUHW8d5gmukSQ= Message-ID: <3679B2E692F54CD0B5B9784D0A4C2833@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com><5982474200E546F98BE3B6C7A977370C@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Creating Space Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:11:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0493_01CCD073.3A63D7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:11:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0493_01CCD073.3A63D7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My favoriate way of creating more space when playing with someone who = isn't allowing space is to just stop playing and stare at the floor. = After 5-10 minutes, depending on how oblivious the person is, it usually = occurs to them that they have been playing by themselves all along. At = that point, if they stop, I like to ask, "Well, was it good for you = too?" LOL It's sort of interesting how it take some people a while to = realize they are playing alone, which is a good test of whether they are = listening. ------=_NextPart_000_0493_01CCD073.3A63D7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My favoriate way of creating more space = when=20 playing with someone who isn't allowing space is to just stop playing = and stare=20 at the floor.   After 5-10 minutes, depending on how oblivious = the=20 person is, it usually occurs to them that they have been playing by = themselves=20 all along.   At that point, if they stop, I like to ask, = "Well, was it=20 good for you too?"  LOL   It's sort of interesting how it = take=20 some people a while to realize they are playing alone, which is a good = test of=20 whether they are listening. 
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This has been a life-long quest for me as= well. The problem for me is when I was first= learning to play I would take a song and learn to play two or three parts = at once on the guitar. Which is fine in the privacy of your practice space = but doesn't translate well when in a band setting. Tough habit to break...<= /SPAN>
 
Two things have happ= ened to make me a little better at it. First, I am getting arthritis in my = fretting fingers, so I try to make every note count. Second, I started play= ing steel guitar, and using the alternate tunings has opened up my playing = on conventional guitar as well. Third, I started looping and realized how d= ense things can get in a short time (someone else already mentioned how loo= ping has helped). Fourth, I can't even count to two ;)
 
E

From:= David Gans <david@trufun.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: David Gans <david@trufun.co= m>
Sent: Wednesday, = January 11, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject:<= /SPAN> Re: Creating Space


On Jan 11, 2012, at 4= :52 AM, andy butler wrote:

>> What do the members of this este= emed group do to help give silence her due?
>
> Put as much ef= fort into the end of each note as into it's beginning.

Well said.  Learn= ing when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking for me.



David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Music: http://= www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans







---116512067-1381869223-1326320975=:96454-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 00:25:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3872D183461; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/uXa8MheH9XC4xSHLNRA7R8GN16se/BRb978hfBW0Xw=; b=ga72OGto60wZQZ8hv1MoyyistvP4AGkMMl3haPHgcMiHAEufKZgIPzKl8ynuElBcFP b2//9xDvnNTaUk8NjPQ3kjwc8o9t1wRh+K9GnF9oOYDxDqYhiuo1VNM7118aXGGTGouY /zsEzZqE9hUG641Jq8/fYSl3Sz23Zf7o6VOjQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:25:07 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:25:08 +0000 (UTC) This reminds me - the other day I stumbled upon a series of videos showing exercises for mpc style samplers. Here's the first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEpLD6vD43E They are very similar to the left/right exercises that percussion teachers would have you practice. The early ones are simple. By the time you get to #16, they're really impressive. Also, here's a guy who is really proficient on live drum machine. I'm jealous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oThXwURLLhs Some things I've noticed but haven't developed further: 1) Since drum machines / mpc samplers are such small interfaces, one of the challenges is arranging the sounds so that your hands can play them without getting in each others' way. 2) The one time I ever got close to ever being able to hand play beats on a drum machine, I found that using one hand was much easier than using two. Rick told me this great percussion concept for left/right independence once - at any point in a rhythm, you're either playing left hand, right hand, both or neither. That concept is pretty easy to incorporate with a single hand. Each sound corresponds with a downward hand tap, and it's mostly a matter of extending the correct fingers. The downside is that you can only play so fast with one hand, and that hand'll eventually get tired. 3) Conventional drum machine arrangements put the bass drum in the lower left corner, high hats in the lower right, cymbals on the upper row and toms/claps, etc in the middle. This makes it easy to remember which sounds are rare, but is not necessarily the most efficient arrangement playing them live. Some of the impressive sampling folks and "finger percussionists" I've seen online put the bass drum in the middle pads, and arrange the rest based on the ergonomics of the human hand. Think of the computer keyboard - instead of alphabetical order, it's arranged so that the most commonly used keys are in the places where the fingers naturally rest. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I regularly play with drummers that use beat pads and my experience is > that the answer to your question is the way the individual player > designs his setup. I.e. what sounds he assigns to the different pads. > And this has of course to a great deal to do with the physical > locations of the different pads - the playability. > > Any trap set drummer starts out by adjusting every drum in the kit > before starting to play. His allocation of drums in space depends on > the size of his body, what drum sticks he uses and what technique he > plays with. Same thing with electronic pads. Just set them up to be as > physically playable as possible. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:02 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing beatpads? Like >> in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.Whats a way to >> get more fluid sorta like this? >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE7GHgbmlP0&feature=youtube_gdata_player > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 00:29:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32E6D183463; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=V0tHJWrNRot7p/wopyuL/s6AZxokBoBC0Pip5Ynw0Vw=; b=gn3HSXFyjKqDH84o9WJH0wW5y+rDG8THDuxpqyx7XdOAkWS+bsSGD6JGQj+I3O/ENe jue2GcmqPxujwcSmkPjYmO1TPC6Hjm7fXRS7RLwZyZhmi+2KdFmKEGL041npdpGwHVAV dX9YvIjGfeV35S7calpswnYTpylbXM0oBqKIs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:29:45 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044289ee5f9fff04b649d855 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:29:47 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044289ee5f9fff04b649d855 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very interesting point. I'll have to check out those links. On Jan 11, 2012 4:25 PM, "Matt Davignon" wrote: > This reminds me - the other day I stumbled upon a series of videos > showing exercises for mpc style samplers. Here's the first: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEpLD6vD43E > They are very similar to the left/right exercises that percussion > teachers would have you practice. The early ones are simple. By the > time you get to #16, they're really impressive. > > Also, here's a guy who is really proficient on live drum machine. I'm > jealous: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oThXwURLLhs > > Some things I've noticed but haven't developed further: > 1) Since drum machines / mpc samplers are such small interfaces, one > of the challenges is arranging the sounds so that your hands can play > them without getting in each others' way. > 2) The one time I ever got close to ever being able to hand play beats > on a drum machine, I found that using one hand was much easier than > using two. Rick told me this great percussion concept for left/right > independence once - at any point in a rhythm, you're either playing > left hand, right hand, both or neither. That concept is pretty easy to > incorporate with a single hand. Each sound corresponds with a downward > hand tap, and it's mostly a matter of extending the correct fingers. > The downside is that you can only play so fast with one hand, and that > hand'll eventually get tired. > 3) Conventional drum machine arrangements put the bass drum in the > lower left corner, high hats in the lower right, cymbals on the upper > row and toms/claps, etc in the middle. This makes it easy to remember > which sounds are rare, but is not necessarily the most efficient > arrangement playing them live. Some of the impressive sampling folks > and "finger percussionists" I've seen online put the bass drum in the > middle pads, and arrange the rest based on the ergonomics of the human > hand. Think of the computer keyboard - instead of alphabetical order, > it's arranged so that the most commonly used keys are in the places > where the fingers naturally rest. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > I regularly play with drummers that use beat pads and my experience is > > that the answer to your question is the way the individual player > > designs his setup. I.e. what sounds he assigns to the different pads. > > And this has of course to a great deal to do with the physical > > locations of the different pads - the playability. > > > > Any trap set drummer starts out by adjusting every drum in the kit > > before starting to play. His allocation of drums in space depends on > > the size of his body, what drum sticks he uses and what technique he > > plays with. Same thing with electronic pads. Just set them up to be as > > physically playable as possible. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:02 AM, kay'lon rushing > wrote: > >> I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing beatpads? > Like > >> in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.Whats a > way to > >> get more fluid sorta like this? > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE7GHgbmlP0&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > > > --f46d044289ee5f9fff04b649d855 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Very interesting point. I'll have to check out those links.

On Jan 11, 2012 4:25 PM, "Matt Davignon&quo= t; <mattdavignon@gmail.com= > wrote:
This reminds me - the other day I stumbled upon a series of videos
showing exercises for mpc style samplers. Here's the first:
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoEpLD6vD43E
They are very similar to the left/right exercises that percussion
teachers would have you practice. The early ones are simple. By the
time you get to #16, they're really impressive.

Also, here's a guy who is really proficient on live drum machine. I'= ;m jealous:
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoThXwURLLhs

Some things I've noticed but haven't developed further:
1) Since drum machines / mpc samplers are such small interfaces, one
of the challenges is arranging the sounds so that your hands can play
them without getting in each others' way.
2) The one time I ever got close to ever being able to hand play beats
on a drum machine, I found that using one hand was much easier than
using two. Rick told me this great percussion concept for left/right
independence once - at any point in a rhythm, you're either playing
left hand, right hand, both or neither. That concept is pretty easy to
incorporate with a single hand. Each sound corresponds with a downward
hand tap, and it's mostly a matter of extending the correct fingers. The downside is that you can only play so fast with one hand, and that
hand'll eventually get tired.
3) Conventional drum machine arrangements put the bass drum in the
lower left corner, high hats in the lower right, cymbals on the upper
row and toms/claps, etc in the middle. This makes it easy to remember
which sounds are rare, but is not necessarily the most efficient
arrangement playing them live. Some of the impressive sampling folks
and "finger percussionists" I've seen online put the bass dru= m in the
middle pads, and arrange the rest based on the ergonomics of the human
hand. Think of the computer keyboard - instead of alphabetical order,
it's arranged so that the most commonly used keys are in the places
where the fingers naturally rest.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I regularly play with drummers that use beat pads and my experience is=
> that the answer to your question is the way the individual player
> designs his setup. I.e. what sounds he assigns to the different pads.<= br> > And this has of course to a great deal to do with the physical
> locations of the different pads - the playability.
>
> Any trap set drummer starts out by adjusting every drum in the kit
> before starting to play. His allocation of drums in space depends on > the size of his body, what drum sticks he uses and what technique he > plays with. Same thing with electronic pads. Just set them up to be as=
> physically playable as possible.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:02 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've always wondered is there a certain technique to playing b= eatpads? Like
>> in piano you use certain crossovers when doing scales and etc.What= s a way to
>> get more fluid sorta like this?
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3DtE7GHgbmlP0&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player
>

--f46d044289ee5f9fff04b649d855-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 01:44:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A98D183461; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wOVbUk4OrS7TypSG6v4q/toH9iEhHnJ58roj8mcQ1hA=; b=s97cAJlaAKcEirOC3a8xTojTeCMW8yaTikIUMZZCqIIihMYzVLsUnz/HvJOflGRooz wg/m6Tdw7i1B1EAKqVJGODpIMRPKBt48w927DCKNUNnKCxLID7MMRlGV0ddECJO7wjLf DFQcuy2fVIvyIGD7bPoE0BOrRKjt9CKOcSCWI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:44:39 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Music suggestions? From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:44:41 +0000 (UTC) I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of stuff. Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general? Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive. Bands/albums would be cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 02:04:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC297183461; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=JvcM9e3iLN6dAIqNhx0ou7hNfsBSY8/rMHJKPoQL39M=; b=xpJPvN7clzkXzWUzkDPI63bQwHGkZXnIsd27tzZAOANi+EmAhxEjp9mz8oWiYiVMTw XrUCw2MkOUJmK8XZO+KePmPJJEU4+1bD2AbIkm3FJdfxYfm9rNfx6RDNAh+oOVkOE6IH NjnKtWz++8jaSJGiOI6vT7M1LWu1fKTGE+sG8= Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? References: From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20645213-68C3-4C51-B4FB-0199A195AED8@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:04:22 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:04:26 +0000 (UTC) If ur looking for experimental try Shlohmo, Groundislava, Nosaj Thing, Daede= lus, Samiyam (i think its spelled that way), Mount Kimbie etc. Just a few of= my favs. Sent from my iPod On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:44 PM, marcus kirby wrote: > I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little > bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on > a lot of stuff. >=20 > Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general? >=20 > Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive. >=20 > Bands/albums would be cool. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 03:50:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A71183462; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1804 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:50:21 UTC Message-ID: <4F0E517B.1010509@pacifier.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:20:27 -0800 From: David Messenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bill bigrig , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creating Space References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> <1326317939.28732.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1326317939.28732.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000701030003020303060708" Resent-Message-ID: <--nyK.A.9iC.9hlDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:50:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000701030003020303060708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yah, for that reason I will always sequence any guitar parts I'm not playing live. Most guitarists have no concept of getting your sound at the rack so you can control your dynamics with volume pedals and get crushing tones at low volume. I use the Roland GP-8 (and various pedals) for overdrive & distortion & other tones and do not rely on pushing power tubes to their limit to get "sag"...(I'm so sick of hearing about "sag")... I seldom ever play without compression at the front of the processor chain just for that reason...why not get sustain from tha actual device which inherently provides it rather than turn your amp up all the way so you stick out of everything uncontrollably, and never have enough sustain? "sag"...phock. D. On 1/11/2012 1:38 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Another thing I have to do on a regular basis, is reach over to the > amp of the guitarist I work with a lot, and turn it off. Not only does > he specialize in 64th notes, he always asks which slider on the board > is his guitar, and, as soon as I'm not looking, he reaches over and > pushes it ALL the way to the top. At live shows, he comes with his 2 > 100 watt stacks for a 60 seat venue, and with 3,000 to 4,000 watts out > the mains, you still can't hear the PA. I'm not slamming guitarists, > heck I play one myself. There's just a small percentage out there that > are not functional unless thier volume is high enough to completely > envelope them, (along with everyone else on stage). > \rig > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Charles Zwicky > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Cc:* David Gans > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: Creating Space > > What a great recollection, Daniel! > > At 12:37 -0800 11/1/12, Daniel Thomas wrote: > > Another observation comes to mind. When I was really young, maybe > 13 or 14, I asked my guitar teacher to teach me to play fusion. I > cited Mahavishnu Orchestra, Meeting of Spirits. He laughed and > said... "I can't teach you that stuff man-- its got no space in it. > But I can teach you how to play this great new Steely Dan album!" > > He gave me a copy of the just released Aja / Peg on cassette and > sent me home with the following "anti-rhythm" assignment > > > > To listen to the rhodes part and learn to play its 'anti-rhythm' -- > the negative space between the notes -- with my hand on my leg. No > instrument in my lap. At the time, I remember thinking-- maybe this > guy doesn't even know how to play the guitar!.. he is teaching me a > part that piano player never did play on a song I did not ask to > learn.. wtf?? > > > > Despite my adolescent doubts, the assignment totally blew my mind. > It was very hard to do and 30 something years later the experience > stills influencing my musical choices. I learned Peg that summer by > first learning the anti-rhythm of each and every part. By way of this > discipline, he taught me to listen for the space between the notes-- > the substance of musical phrasing. And he turned me onto one of the > greatest bands ever. > > God I loved that guy. His name, I cannot remember now... maybe it > was James. I remember that he played in a phenomenal Tulsa band > called the Flying Horse Opera w/ the amazing Randy Crouch. > > daniel > > > > > > > > > >> When improvising, I find that I create space more effectively if I > focus primarily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of > cognitive priority to the pulse. A singluar and humbling focus. > >> > >> When so doing, musical phrases seem to come from beyond.. The > part of me that needs to prove something is firmly bridled to the job > of keeping a steady pulse in my body no matter what syncopations the > hands and voice may produce. What remains is a more sparse, better > phrased and more conversational musician... the groove is better > integrated into the improvised phrases. And the listener is drawn > more deeply into the music by the space between the notes. At least, > thats what I shoot for. > >> > >> Daniel > >> On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote: > >>> > >>>>> What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give > silence her due? > >>>> > >>>> Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning. > >>> > >>> Well said. Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term > undertaking for me. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or > david@gdhour.com > >>> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > > --------------000701030003020303060708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yah, for that reason I will always sequence any guitar parts I'm not playing live. Most guitarists have no concept of getting your sound at the rack so you can control your dynamics with volume pedals and get crushing tones at low volume. I use the Roland GP-8 (and various pedals) for overdrive & distortion & other tones and do not rely on pushing power tubes to their limit to get "sag"...(I'm so sick of hearing about "sag")...  I seldom ever play without compression at the front of the processor chain just for that reason...why not get sustain from tha actual device which inherently provides it rather than turn your amp up all the way so you stick out of everything uncontrollably, and never have enough sustain?

"sag"...phock.


D. 

On 1/11/2012 1:38 PM, bill bigrig wrote:
Another thing I have to do on  a regular basis, is reach over to the amp of the guitarist I work with a lot, and turn it off. Not only does he specialize in 64th notes, he always asks which slider on the board is his guitar, and, as soon as I'm not looking, he reaches over and pushes it ALL the way to the top. At live shows, he comes with his 2 100 watt stacks for a 60 seat venue, and with 3,000 to 4,000 watts out the mains, you still can't hear the PA. I'm not slamming guitarists, heck I play one myself. There's just a small percentage out there that are not functional unless thier volume is high enough to completely envelope them, (along with everyone else on stage).
\rig
From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: David Gans <david@trufun.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Creating Space

What a great recollection, Daniel!

At 12:37 -0800 11/1/12, Daniel Thomas wrote:
> Another observation comes to mind.  When I was really young, maybe 13 or 14, I asked my guitar teacher to teach me to play fusion.  I cited Mahavishnu Orchestra, Meeting of Spirits.  He laughed and said... "I can't teach you that stuff man-- its got no space in it. But I can teach you how to play this great new Steely Dan album!"
> He gave me a copy of the just released Aja  / Peg on cassette and sent me home with the following  "anti-rhythm" assignment
>
> To listen to the rhodes part and learn to play its 'anti-rhythm' -- the negative space between the notes -- with my hand on my leg.  No instrument in my lap.  At the time, I remember thinking-- maybe this guy doesn't even know how to play the guitar!.. he is teaching me a part that piano player never did play on a song I did not ask to learn.. wtf??
>
> Despite my adolescent doubts, the assignment totally blew my mind. It was very hard to do and  30 something years later the experience stills influencing my musical choices.  I learned Peg that summer by first learning the anti-rhythm of each and every part.  By way of this discipline, he taught me to listen for the space between the notes-- the substance of musical phrasing.  And he turned me onto one of the greatest bands ever.   
> God I loved that guy. His name, I cannot remember now... maybe it was James.  I remember that he played in a phenomenal Tulsa band called the Flying Horse Opera w/ the amazing Randy Crouch.
> daniel
>
>
>
>
>>  When improvising, I find that I create space more effectively if I focus primarily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of cognitive priority to the pulse.  A singluar and humbling focus.
>>
>>  When so doing, musical  phrases seem to come from beyond..  The part of me that needs to prove something is firmly bridled to the job of keeping a steady pulse in my body no matter what syncopations the hands and voice may produce.  What remains is a more sparse, better phrased and more conversational musician... the groove is better integrated into the improvised phrases.  And the listener is drawn more deeply into the music by the space between the notes.  At least, thats what I shoot for.
>>
>>  Daniel
>>  On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote:
>>>
>>>>>  What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due?
>>>>
>>>>  Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning.
>>>
>>>  Well said.  Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>>  Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


--
...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix




--------------000701030003020303060708-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 03:54:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF766183462; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: David Gans Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-140910336 Subject: Re: Creating Space Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:54:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4F0E517B.1010509@pacifier.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> <1326317939.28732.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4F0E517B.1010509@pacifier.com> Message-Id: <27F5E99C-E94B-4921-BB70-E68C2C79FBD9@trufun.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <9rDIVB.A.QqC.yllDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:54:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-140910336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is "sag"? On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:20 PM, David Messenger wrote: > pushing power tubes to their limit to get "sag"...(I'm so sick of = hearing about "sag") David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail-1-140910336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


On Jan 11, 2012, = at 7:20 PM, David Messenger wrote:

pushing power = tubes to their limit to get "sag"...(I'm so sick of hearing about = "sag")

david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730




= --Apple-Mail-1-140910336-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 04:05:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84CB8183461; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PTtGgG9zVjMyqkpD+nK7IVtmL9GDF8+lS3w8MOKEBkmzHcfNeRyMKTgL3bJaR6Zh; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <22216203.1326341149570.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:05:49 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creating Space Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4836e25e9fcdb96fc6eac5c74c9a9be28be925a8e63659b694350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:05:50 +0000 (UTC) for me-'sag' is what gives me the 'feeling' from a tube amp that is being pushed. its a type of give /take/push/pull you get at high volumes. http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.aikenamps.com/Sag.html&sa=U&ei=KVsOT5mtMsLo0QGToa2oAw&ved=0CBUQFjAB&sig2=tLHlPHBtNkw9J4Yeo8dmOQ&usg=AFQjCNEvaNN3My9FVce9v00JmAG6Vh2IAg -----Original Message----- From: David Gans Sent: Jan 11, 2012 7:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creating Space What is "sag"? On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:20 PM, David Messenger wrote: pushing power tubes to their limit to get "sag"...(I'm so sick of hearing about "sag") David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.comTruth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.comWeb site: http://www.dgans.comPhotos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgansMusic: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 04:08:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76856183461; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Creating Space Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <22216203.1326341149570.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:08:00 -0800 Cc: David Gans , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <08E07FD2-6891-4DDB-9017-F5CA780C5178@trufun.com> References: <22216203.1326341149570.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To: stanitarium@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. I am not much of a guitar geek so I wan't familiar with the = term. On Jan 11, 2012, at 8:05 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > for me-'sag' is what gives me the 'feeling' from a tube amp that is = being pushed. > its a type of give /take/push/pull you get at high volumes. >=20 > = http://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttp://www.aikenamps.com/Sag.html&sa=3DU&ei=3D= KVsOT5mtMsLo0QGToa2oAw&ved=3D0CBUQFjAB&sig2=3DtLHlPHBtNkw9J4Yeo8dmOQ&usg=3D= AFQjCNEvaNN3My9FVce9v00JmAG6Vh2IAg David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 04:13:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1BFA183461; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=S33fQSa83Goa+9/8PN6sSfb+27heO8t+jYXnjP+shOE=; b=r8U1wJ0Rjv9l/6XOYcKpAB0OKEf76miF5ysFtKK73ybAwjFFy9odM7wTfycHevtnXy QZZHB3VfWV6Qs3D2FUcVl0x0CyuBB3My0H6bmrvtJtnZu/CfcwsxVzlzD7HTMfcmGvfb E6qxmCH9NIWX4EO6TfaWYAoDT0X5pot3nu3B4= Message-ID: <0B778E04EBE547798EC04136B6D1369E@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> <1326317939.28732.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4F0E517B.1010509@pacifier.com> <27F5E99C-E94B-4921-BB70-E68C2C79FBD9@trufun.com> In-Reply-To: <27F5E99C-E94B-4921-BB70-E68C2C79FBD9@trufun.com> Subject: Re: Creating Space Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:13:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0505_01CCD0A5.E3172D70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:13:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0505_01CCD0A5.E3172D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shit. I always thought sag is what happened to your back after carring = Fender Twins and 2X12 Mesa Boogies around for years. ;) ----- Original Message -----=20 What is "sag"? ------=_NextPart_000_0505_01CCD0A5.E3172D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Shit. I always thought sag is what = happened to=20 your back after carring Fender Twins and 2X12 Mesa Boogies around for=20 years.  ;)
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What is "sag"?


 
------=_NextPart_000_0505_01CCD0A5.E3172D70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 06:03:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2505D183464; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0E7793.4000809@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:02:59 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Davignon CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2: The correct power source is: References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:03:07 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: 
That leaves RETRIGGER ONCE and RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS as the 2 effects
that I haven't figured out yet.

RETRIGGER ONCE (as on the DL-4) 
allows one to make a sample that they can then, later, retrigger
only one time.

This is effective when you are jamming in real time and you play a melody that you record
and turn off immediately and later, down the road, you can retrigger that melody whilst
you , say,  reharmonize it in real time.

What was annoying about this particular effect in the DL-4 was if you began to get out of
sync with a non-synced looper or even a real band playing a groove, so I put in
RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS to take care of the problem.

It retriggers the loop from the beginning (the downbeat as it were)
and then lets the loop continue on indefinitely until you tell it to do otherwise.

Rick Walker

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 06:17:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2FEC183463; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0E7AF5.7050101@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:17:25 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Hartung CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Creating Space References: <3679B2E692F54CD0B5B9784D0A4C2833@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <3679B2E692F54CD0B5B9784D0A4C2833@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:17:33 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > LOL It's sort of interesting how it take some people a while to > realize they are playing alone, which is a good test of whether they > are listening. We've already talked about good music frequently being like a conversation. When you run into someone who talks non-stop, they rarely are listening. Narcissism is rampant in the musical world. I fight it myself. One of the best ways I've learned to keep myself from going there (and I do almost universally out of insecurity rather than wanting to say something) is to remind myself to listen. One of the best compliments I ever received from a heavy weight musician was that he said that I listened to every musician in the ensemble and if they didn't know their parts that I could sing it to them. I find that I have relearn that over and over again. You'd think you'd just get it one day, but for me, nooooooo! So it's humbling to try and be supportive, sensitive and to try and listen (especially before you play). I think we actually are lucky as live loopers because we have the ability to listen to our loops. i'd say this is one of my biggest critiques of loopers with less experience or who are less effective at the live looping festivals...........they make a loop and immediately start to add loops to it or to play over it. It's important to actually listen to what you've just created as another musician would. We have to, in that sense, 'learn' what we just looped if we are going to respond carefully. Of course, this goes out the window when, as with someone like Kid Beyond or Amy X who have planned out performances where the parts have already been composed and are then only being implemented. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 06:50:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 493B4183464; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0E82AE.5040308@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:50:22 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Davignon , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Playing Beatpads (mpd, mpc etc.) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:50:30 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > This reminds me - the other day I stumbled upon a series of videos > showing exercises for mpc style samplers. Here's the first: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEpLD6vD43E > They are very similar to the left/right exercises that percussion > teachers would have you practice. The early ones are simple. By the > time you get to #16, they're really impressive. I just posted a series of double stroke balancing exercises that incorporate the things he's talking about. I'll take the risk and reproduce them here (below this post) again just so you have all the information on one page. Anyway, after you work through this material it's cool to note that each hand will have three separate places to place a different melody out of the 8 notes in each exercise. In these cases, the left hand will play a more neutral sound like a hi hat or a shaker (mono melodically) As an example, in exercise 8 R L L R L L R L (commonly known as 'Tresillo or 'little threes') you have time to move your right hand to 3 different pads. the melody created if I use hi, mid and lo can be Hi - - Mid - - Lo - (or any combination of the three) (I sing " one - - two - - three - ") or, in: excercise 11 R L R R L R R L (commonly known as 'Cinquillo' or 'little fives') you still have time to play the right hand on three different pads now the right hand melody is Hi - Mid Mid - Lo Lo - (I sing " one - dou-ble - dou-ble - ") ******************************************** You can get really fancy with a more complex four repetition song form by playing something like this with the right hand playing a different pad (or melody) every time it hits ||: Hi - Hi Mid - Mid Lo - Hi - Mid Hi - Mid Hi - Hi _ Hi Mid - Mid Lo - Mid - Lo Lo - Lo Lo - :|| These patterns are really fun and can produce surprisingly sophisticated results on a string instrument when arpeggiating as well as on a drum machine or MPC unit. Rick Walker ************************************************************************************************** (here are those exercises below, I just gave them to a local professional keyboardist who wanted to get better at Hohner D6 Clavinet styled funk riffing.......they are tailored made for this kind of 'every note' played but still a lot of rhythmic variation). As a drummer, I like the rudiments but sometimes they are frustrating to me because they are so limited mathematically. As an example, the famous paradiddle R L R R L R L L is fascinating because it the present two double stroke rolls that when played together, force each hand to play on each side of the syncopation. The double right hands and double left hands balance each other out in this respect. for what it's worth, I developed these DOUBLE STROKE BALANCING EXERCISES to practice all of the ways to achieve this onbeat/offbeat sensibility in a set of 8 16th notes (half a measure in 4/4). They make really good exercises for pianist, percussionists and for guitar players (using up/down picking to substitute for R L order) Play them without accent at first. Then play them with all right hands (or down picks) accented and then again with all left hands accented. Lastly, play them each once in order without stopping every single day. In a month's time you will be very used to playing on any side of the beat (on/beat to off/beat) with ease. * DOUBLE STROKE BALANCING EXERCISES * copyright 1981 Rick Walker 1) R R l R l R l l 2) R R l R l R R l 3) R R l R l l R l "ratamacue" 4) R R l R R l R l 5) R R l l R l R l 6) R l l R l R l l 7) R l l R l R R l 8) R l l R l l R l "tresillo" 9) R l l R R l R l 10) R l R R l R l l "paradiddle" 11) R l R R l R R l "cinquillo" 12) R l R R l l R l 13) R l R l l R l l 14) R l R l l R R l 15) R l R l R R l l and then five more incorporating the pickup note 16) R |: R l R l R l l R :| 17) R |: R l R l R R l R :| 18) R |: R l R l l R l R :| 19) R |: R l R R l R l R :| 20) R |: R l l R l R l R :| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 07:02:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF2FD183462; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Creating Space Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Loren Claypool In-Reply-To: <4F0E7AF5.7050101@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:02:43 -0600 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <087DC05B-6608-4100-92EF-6EB117562E53@theclaypools.com> References: <3679B2E692F54CD0B5B9784D0A4C2833@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4F0E7AF5.7050101@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Life's energies never cease to amaze! I've listened to the eponymous = release from Slow Electric several times over the last few days and keep = admiring the restraint and the space (not to mention the tone of Robert = Jurjendal). I see 31 entries on this subject in my inbox so far and = think the muse may be sending a message my way. All the best, Loren Claypool genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 07:11:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCE42183462; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:11:32 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marcus kirby CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7PY2nB.A.QDF.seoDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:11:40 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, marcus kirby wrote: > I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little > bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on > a lot of stuff. > > Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general? > > Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive. > > Bands/albums would be cool. some favorites of mine: Classical: Ralph Vaughn Williams "The Lark Ascending" "Third Symphony" Maurice Ravel most of his orchestral works Claude Debussy piano works and orchestral works "La Mer" Aaron Copland "Third Symphony" Singer Songwriters: Jose Gonzalez, Elliott Smith, Sufjan Stevens, Brian Blade ("Mama Rosa") damn near everything but the last two or three records by Joni Mitchell Newer Jazz: Ambrose Akinmusrie, Cuong Vu, Brian Blade, Bill Frissell, Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen, Jaga Jazzist Electronic Music: Trente Moller, Boards of Canada, Bola, Aphex Twin Ambient Pop: Sigur Ross, Mum, Low, Efterklang (their 1st especially), David Sylvain Things currently on my playlist: Baths, the Weekend, How To Dress Well (I"m on an ambient soul with beautiful harmonies kick right now and there's a whole movement of young artists who are currently mining this approach) Tycho "Dive" beautiful downtempo record Sufjan Stevens ('7 Swans' and 'Illionoise'), Richard Youngs (experimental singer-songwriter), Brian Blades (the exquisite and aforementioned 'Mama Rosa' , a singer songrwriter project that he never intended for release until his good friends bugged him to release it.) and a long DVD of mp3s of very rough takes of everything I've written instrumentally on four string instruments this past year or so listened to over and over in an attempt to inspire lyric writing. There's a lot more..........world music would take a long time to write out, but I'm off to play pool now............yeah!!! I made two difficult Masse shots last night. it's coming....it's coming! Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 08:26:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EB1B183463; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7oGc03qeIKHcukRYvjSvGYgWgVLyx4wREDM3wozIYeg=; b=MZtYNa+g4lpFFbe+fhx1gw4vuvI3gwVs9emlunWYBYmW7Sa2+zVuDIVjqm414uA7te sm93CIaI6/XHQw+MiDgjPhJkodiORf0IJZcqsNHtHyzRXi3m5TPauECi/bsMvsf5boto dBmvhGUa6txIgv1M9yTU6cVQalI8XzCDShRY4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F0E517B.1010509@pacifier.com> References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> <1326317939.28732.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4F0E517B.1010509@pacifier.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:26:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Creating Space From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:26:23 +0000 (UTC) A quick solution for you would be to work with another guitarist :-)) A solution for this particular guitarist could to use an old fashioned amp + cabinet rig and stand by his local instrument cabinet when playing. That way he can hear himself a little better compared to his instrument's level in the full PA mix (will learn to adjust to latency by air distance though). The recording studio version of this trick would be to sit in the same room as his cabinet and play while regulating the balance between his own instrument and the rests of the band mix by sliding his monitoring headphones a bit off his ears (if needed that is, often guitar is recorded so loud that the player can hear himself well all through the cans... might even need to use ear plugs inside cans and crank up the monitoring headphones mix) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:20 AM, David Messenger wro= te: > Another thing I have to do on=C2=A0=C2=A0a regular basis, is reach over t= o the amp of > the guitarist I work with a lot, and turn it off. Not only does he > specialize in 64th notes, he always asks which slider on the board is his > guitar, and, as soon as I'm not looking, he reaches over and pushes it AL= L > the way to the top. At live shows, he comes with his 2 100 watt stacks fo= r a > 60 seat venue, and with 3,000 to 4,000 watts out the mains, you still can= 't > hear the PA. I'm not slamming guitarists, heck I play one myself. There's > just a small percentage out there that are not functional unless thier > volume is high enough to completely envelope them, (along with everyone e= lse > on stage). > \rig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 10:23:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63115183460; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0EB4A9.8040502@pacifier.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:23:37 -0800 From: David Messenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Hartung CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creating Space References: <00c501ccd024$8fbe8690$af3b93b0$@michaelplishka.com> <4F0D8627.5040909@tiscali.co.uk> <04114699-3252-472B-AA55-4A5BB5230C3B@trufun.com> <05428BCB-7749-4217-BA0C-9F01945757BB@mac.com> <16F2AB20-5F2C-4A69-A261-B981B3F337F8@mac.com> <1326317939.28732.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4F0E517B.1010509@pacifier.com> <27F5E99C-E94B-4921-BB70-E68C2C79FBD9@trufun.com> <0B778E04EBE547798EC04136B6D1369E@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0B778E04EBE547798EC04136B6D1369E@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010405010009070902090601" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:23:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010405010009070902090601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, yah.. then there is that! On 1/11/2012 8:13 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Shit. I always thought sag is what happened to your back after carring > Fender Twins and 2X12 Mesa Boogies around for years. ;) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > What is "sag"? > > --------------010405010009070902090601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, yah.. then there is that!


On 1/11/2012 8:13 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:
Shit. I always thought sag is what happened to your back after carring Fender Twins and 2X12 Mesa Boogies around for years.  ;)
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What is "sag"?


 

--------------010405010009070902090601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 18:13:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D366718345B; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:13:48 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=b5ZFXOB11jVNkCKXicSehVa7DeP/5rC5cXnW1y0TsFw=; b=MwOgifdInhf8LhE4FXdX3bnp0B8myC2fqj+9Aip3fwhTdRsvLrP4k2plybaYCX+VxOjR+BSBn2cSsIZxRyHA5hTGUww+S95niA/UErkXRg13jvDkLTj9T6cnRzkOmAl7; Message-ID: <20120112120705.14026w25vojs37m1@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:07:05 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Creating Space References: <3679B2E692F54CD0B5B9784D0A4C2833@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4F0E7AF5.7050101@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0E7AF5.7050101@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Rick Walker : > > So it's humbling to try and be supportive, sensitive and to try and listen > (especially before you play). > > I think we actually are lucky as live loopers because we have the > ability to listen to our loops. > Indeed, looping forces one to wear both hats -- one plays both supporting and solo parts. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 19:29:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBAC5183462; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SA4yadmJG2ha3A9lhisURoRkXtvg5Pj3hsfrgwvwaGc=; b=vaSTLGDTPemmNG0NQHTPZ9cguB+EnV20zK3gDBFVtFq8gC7EnWhRNCxgFW5Oknq6sC oNM9U0JiLsgUfD7CbPaPQsGWRfDWsJSgygQXmkDJj1BlwJo6LtKpI2le7cErJvjKS2jF meKCPOgNu9cKB1VlxF2wWidEokX2md/TNYruI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:29:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340a6713c0af04b659c4c3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:29:25 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340a6713c0af04b659c4c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nik B=E4rtsch's Ronin - love them! 2012/1/12 Rick Walker > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, marcus kirby wrote: > >> I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little >> bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on >> a lot of stuff. >> >> Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general? >> >> Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive. >> >> Bands/albums would be cool. >> > some favorites of mine: > > Classical: > > Ralph Vaughn Williams "The Lark Ascending" "Third Symphony" > > Maurice Ravel most of his orchestral works > > Claude Debussy piano works and orchestral works "La Mer" > > Aaron Copland "Third Symphony" > > > Singer Songwriters: > Jose Gonzalez, Elliott Smith, Sufjan Stevens, Brian Blade ("Mama Rosa= ") > damn near everything but the last two or three records by Joni Mitchell > > Newer Jazz: > Ambrose Akinmusrie, Cuong Vu, Brian Blade, Bill Frissell, > > Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: > Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen, Jaga > Jazzist > > Electronic Music: > Trente Moller, Boards of Canada, Bola, Aphex Twin > > Ambient Pop: > Sigur Ross, Mum, Low, Efterklang (their 1st especially), David Sylvain > > Things currently on my playlist: > > Baths, the Weekend, How To Dress Well (I"m on an ambient soul with > beautiful harmonies kick right now and > there's a whole movement of young artists who are currently mining this > approach) > > Tycho "Dive" beautiful downtempo record > > Sufjan Stevens ('7 Swans' and 'Illionoise'), Richard Youngs (experimental > singer-songwriter), > Brian Blades (the exquisite and > aforementioned 'Mama Rosa' , a singer songrwriter project that he never > intended for release > until his good friends bugged him to release it.) > > and a long DVD of mp3s of very rough takes of everything I've written > instrumentally on > four string instruments this past year or so listened to over and over in > an attempt > to inspire lyric writing. > > There's a lot more..........world music would take a long time to write > out, but > I'm off to play pool now............yeah!!! I made two difficult Masse > shots last night. > it's coming....it's coming! > > Rick Walker > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340a6713c0af04b659c4c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nik B=E4rtsch's Ronin - love them!

20= 12/1/12 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, marcus kirby w= rote:
I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little
bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on<= br> a lot of stuff.

Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general?

Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive.

Bands/albums would be cool.
some favorites of mine:

Classical:

Ralph Vaughn Williams =A0 =A0"The Lark Ascending" =A0 =A0 "T= hird Symphony"

Maurice Ravel =A0 =A0 most of his orchestral works

Claude Debussy =A0 piano works and orchestral works =A0 "La Mer"<= br>
Aaron Copland =A0 =A0"Third Symphony"


Singer Songwriters:
Jose Gonzalez, =A0 Elliott Smith, =A0Sufjan Stevens, =A0Brian Blade ("= Mama Rosa")
damn near everything but the last two or three records by Joni Mitchell

Newer Jazz:
Ambrose Akinmusrie, =A0Cuong Vu, Brian Blade, =A0Bill Frissell,

Scandinavian Electro-Jazz:
Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen, Jaga Ja= zzist

Electronic Music:
Trente Moller, Boards of Canada, Bola, Aphex Twin

Ambient Pop:
Sigur Ross, =A0Mum, Low, Efterklang (their 1st especially), =A0David Sylvai= n

Things currently on my playlist:

Baths, =A0the Weekend, =A0How To Dress Well (I"m on an ambient soul wi= th beautiful harmonies kick right now and
there's a whole movement of young artists who are currently mining this= approach)

Tycho "Dive" =A0 =A0beautiful downtempo record

Sufjan Stevens ('7 Swans' and 'Illionoise'), Richard Youngs= (experimental singer-songwriter),
Brian Blades (the exquisite and
aforementioned 'Mama Rosa' , =A0a singer songrwriter project that h= e never intended for release
until his good friends bugged him to release it.)

and a long DVD of mp3s of very rough takes of everything I've written i= nstrumentally on
four string instruments this past year or so listened to over and over in a= n attempt
to inspire lyric writing.

There's a lot more..........world music would take a long time to write= out, but
I'm off to play pool now............yeah!!! =A0I made two difficult Mas= se shots last night.
it's coming....it's coming!

Rick Walker




--
Petri Lah= tinen


--14dae9340a6713c0af04b659c4c3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 19:55:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC163183463; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e5caf21e-5083-43ac-967a-dffadb1c5216_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: OT: Music suggestions? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:55:42 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> References: ,<4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2012 19:55:43.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC6D3F0:01CCD164] Resent-Message-ID: <5KogK.A.NPE.ArzDPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:55:44 +0000 (UTC) --_e5caf21e-5083-43ac-967a-dffadb1c5216_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been listening alot to " Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: Nils Petter Molvaer=2C Eivind Aarset=2C Arve Henriksen=2C Arild Andersen=2C= ... (listening to Arve at the moment..) I have also been listening a lot to Fennesz. Alva Note and Ryuichi Sakamoto= .. god ambient electronic ambient or whatever..=20 And of course David Sylvian (who have played with many of these guys..) David torn us another favorite=2C "Torn=2C Levin=2C White"=2C" Prezens"=2C = "Oah".... great stuff = --_e5caf21e-5083-43ac-967a-dffadb1c5216_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been listening alot to "  =3BScandinavian Electro-Jazz:
Nils Petter Molvaer=2C Eivind Aarset= =2C Arve Henriksen=2C Arild Andersen=2C... (listening to Arve at the moment= ..)

I have also been listening a lot to Fennesz. Alva No= te and =3BRyuichi =3BSakamoto.. god ambient electronic ambient = or whatever.. =3B
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And of course Dav= id Sylvian (who have played with many of these guys..)

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= --_e5caf21e-5083-43ac-967a-dffadb1c5216_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 20:00:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309FF183464; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VskQnQK5gEcfagnpygCUr+XSn/rpSM7ERrGiH5tHuFw=; b=bM97ER6sfitjrFPFrAl4vYQEASiW7002HUfMw70kZ9/xwwbeSWQDHw0fofr6HbnNxv 5W9kEBAAD4TahAxbnWXQlsM1uB4jxhOB6VXEz6jTYsAr1rqupRmF5ir8d4Ezbwcj74oI +dbUWc+DN+QWiyPSbkeLdaaKwz04WcqYFzodA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Electronic/Ambient music: --Oval/Microstoria: Markus Popp is one of the biggest influences of "digital errors" sounds that have been a staple of electronic music for the last 10 years. Check out "Systemich" or "Dok". --Atom Heart is frustratingly hard to find online, because he's anti-mp3 and almost every album is released under a different band name. ut he's done lots of fun stuff with combining minimal techno with different genres of music - especially latin music and jazz. Check out the band names Senor Coconut (latin covers of kraftwerk & pop songs), Los Samplers (latin music), Midisport (Brazilian music), Geez 'n' Gosh (gospel), and Flanger (light jazz). --Biosphere is my favorite ambient artist. For a straight up great ambient album, check out "Substrata" or "Cirque". His Shenzhou album is made almost completely from Claude Debussy samples, and is one of my favorite records of all time. --Alog's early work is very good. "Red Shift Swing" sounds kind of like Tortoise meets Oval. "Duck Rabbit" and "Catch That Totem" --Rapoon's music finds a formula that works and sticks to it. Most of his records are asymmetrically looped hand percussion samples with reverby drones and middle eastern vocal samples that fade in and out. That description makes it sound like new age music, but it's a lot darker and moodier. --Murcof combines minimal techno with classical music samples. Very moody but also relaxing. Try "Martes" first. People with Songs: --Efterklang: I'll second Rick on this one. They combine modern clicks/cuts electronic techniques with songs and "small classical ensemble" instruments. --Pram: One of my favorite bands. Their first few albums sound almost like a 90s hippy jam band, but including sampler and theremin. The singer is very charming. She sounds like a mom singing to her kids. Their later albums are less hippyish - relying more heavily on the sampled elements, but still just as whistful. --Laika: An ambient pop duo from the mid/late 90s. Their first 3 albums are all very good. They usually have a few songs in odd meter too - like in 7/8. --Stina Nordenstam: Swedish singer-songwriter with a very delicate voice that sounds like melting snowflakes. I recommend her record "The World is Saved". Instrumental Music: --Master Musicians of Bukkake: Experimental/psychedelic music with lots of "world music" influences. Not the typical stuff either - there are elements of gamelan, Malian taureg music, Turkish stuff, etc. --Seefeel: I like their new self-titled record a lot, even if all the songs sound the same. Kind of a slow lumbering rock approach, but with computer glitchery taking the place of guitars. --Kammerflimmer Kollektief: Kind of an instrumental rock/jazz hybrid, with a lot of electronics. I like their earlier records better than their later records. A similar listening experience to Tortoise, but with a different sound. --Triosk: An electronic jazz trio, with piano, guitar and drums. --Ethiopiques: This is a music series of Ethio-Jazz and traditional music, mostly from the 60's to early 80's. A lot of this stuff is incredible. I recommend starting with volume 4 (featuring Mulatu Astatke) and/or volume 14 (featuring Getatchew Mekurya). --Solyst: A new percussion/synth duo that does spacey instrumental music. This is probably my favorite record of 2011. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt marcus kirby was all: > I listen to a lot of ambient, both past and modern. I have a little > bit of soul music and jazz as well, but I feel like I'm missing out on > a lot of stuff. > > Any suggestions for good experimental, world, classic stuff in general? > > Big fan of satie, arvo park, gorecki, talking heads, belong, slowdive. > > Bands/albums would be cool. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 20:01:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF201183460; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1Bz0wmhN+rwgNowCZNIKxMn603VkOU7L9g/YxAUZqNA=; b=pDD1sv0LHegi6Jbj93Gg6xlesmxEnA8uAEzqtpZwaz5/4uqzX4n5W7fTkYfkF1d4hi 0WtOSf16fC8Z4m+e3oSVfKtz0CDjQ/hJBaQtFUuumznKI70/dZG6shDlIqnNX7e33vNi eQvVnqy27L7/mnJbagGdJPwNFRDQ/9paLXCq4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:01:35 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:01:36 +0000 (UTC) I love Fennesz/Basinski and a lot of the electronic-guitar guys. I have a ton of new electro-ambient/soundscape/ethereal stuff, the 80s synth/ambient revival stuff. I'm looking for music by some of the innovators/prototypes of genres which created the stuff I listen to today. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > I have been listening alot to " =A0Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: > Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen,... > (listening to Arve at the moment..) > > I have also been listening a lot to Fennesz. Alva Note > and=A0Ryuichi=A0Sakamoto.. god ambient electronic ambient or whatever.. > > And of course David Sylvian (who have played with many of these guys..) > > David torn us another favorite, "Torn, Levin, White"," Prezens", "Oah"...= . > great stuff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 20:02:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BBCC183464; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ehWhUCYt9W8ODPhY2qYPVlHSRR3XyDTbNUa+mQZFyj0=; b=hBfKLH8pbyVY/SFu0xgU6hdQPUzROiVHTk43RiovJE5Ag58xiLqI+pjzox93yjmP75 5/pISM37Eyfnw2FEva6Jq2Tj5qPH1qu7lAUe7y9QBMg5gqIT/b+pi023afNIiWm0UHa8 kI/0kMri4RIakTwHVhbuzbuPvNY1+/c5m1ytk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:02:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Matt, THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM, marcus kirby wrote= : > I love Fennesz/Basinski and a lot of the electronic-guitar guys. I > have a ton of new electro-ambient/soundscape/ethereal stuff, the 80s > synth/ambient revival stuff. > > I'm looking for music by some of the innovators/prototypes of genres > which created the stuff I listen to today. > > > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Anders Bergdahl > wrote: >> I have been listening alot to " =A0Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: >> Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen,... >> (listening to Arve at the moment..) >> >> I have also been listening a lot to Fennesz. Alva Note >> and=A0Ryuichi=A0Sakamoto.. god ambient electronic ambient or whatever.. >> >> And of course David Sylvian (who have played with many of these guys..) >> >> David torn us another favorite, "Torn, Levin, White"," Prezens", "Oah"..= .. >> great stuff >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 21:25:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDF5218345B; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wD4u7L/7U3JcqSR24obXWWPRAuZSa5U3AahaW2IwEoU=; b=TDe90FD9lG9cerslWpF8+CdxgwD7VzNFGx5njTmC45nn3F15uMEyuD4147ZqH9rtvE Y8q+pxCZupE/XatkTLR+6e0ihgd8pKG7aWAx4GXEwy6fMGf9ZNM+b0PZxWz12QFuM4cE GbsdWDApv4kxef4OGG2+9K/PCJf64MZdDv1d0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:25:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Shewt - I forgot to mention that I also do a podcast every once in a while, and a lot of the stuff I've listed has shown up there. There are currently 7 episodes up here: ribosomematt.podomatic.com -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt marcus kirby went: > Matt, THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 22:41:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FDDB183463; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xqKibsN9SK3xmdnqC52q/0QGsbGVOqOdH+hrAqDMYRU=; b=uFBNYx//HdgyCatJuMi2nur7f0yqcCnJHAvB8xMkX079Ygh/iF+1W87kBD9vTwH9FN u9lYcL9rZpSFGvBEcYX/cvJLf6rQKWhmQp2tJFmbMuFydTnyQnmq7WMeJTZ7oyEYI1Eo ShDEqPRteuO8eMeEtNW3OoGFq4cTfg9rIWIqU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:41:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <6yFr8C.A.uJG.PG2DPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:41:19 +0000 (UTC) I downloaded tons of the Ethiopiques stuff awhile back. I think I heard one fo the tracks in a Heneiken commercial recently, ha. I also dated an Ethiopian girl who laughed when I was playing the stuff one day. She said her parents listened to it all of the time when she was a child. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Shewt - I forgot to mention that I also do a podcast every once in a > while, and a lot of the stuff I've listed has shown up there. There > are currently 7 episodes up here: ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > > > marcus kirby went: >> Matt, THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 22:52:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBA88183461; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ACRExBiJYHQ0RaJI4nEQVddCeHWE2ECig9ogMg+DEwI=; b=PGKCJdc/jSnJOFt2Ts/KeLZnIKYf1fedIKt3EjdvObRO3LAPmL3TgCjwSIqtQvfDKz 2FltTeCZiNQ0sSrkaUBhYv8TxixaSWZs2rlyKdntbKWxOVUULl2eeZ0cXzOHeBXxKt4E Bm3+ey5+K73gTUeYS0Y8f7mQi0afa99ZoEfcM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:52:52 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Mahmoud Ahmed!!!!!!! Kevin On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM, marcus kirby wrote= : > I downloaded tons of the Ethiopiques stuff awhile back. I think I > heard one fo the tracks in a Heneiken commercial recently, ha. > > I also dated an Ethiopian girl who laughed when I was playing the > stuff one day. She said her parents listened to it all of the time > when she was a child. > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Matt Davignon w= rote: >> Shewt - I forgot to mention that I also do a podcast every once in a >> while, and a lot of the stuff I've listed has shown up there. There >> are currently 7 episodes up here: ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >> >> >> >> >> marcus kirby went: >>> Matt, THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>> >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 23:55:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C6DE183463; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=8BL4LUW8OtVV9IQ4gjByIacqYQwSU8Lq+acw9dYNb9o=; b=sY54suLDOqVmr3rx8dRD9D4flSmXOG+IfuSBtYOKgf75g+3KR8+X590iKJbVfLb9zN zIhwkwHqtP1JmEthCMHspVA3TW4t1pwIUXx2w+P70mcDisgTIaHAIljkNh/feKyJ0Tc9 Yr0Un//CH2CjxtM3Z4kWJflecFM12P77cQDQs= Message-Id: <9EF6DA17-6DAC-461F-81A0-38E1DE3BF13E@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-212961323 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:55:12 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:55:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-212961323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This year is a centennial year for John Cage. and I came across: John Cage: Melodies & Harmonies (2012) - performers Annelie Gahl, Klaus Lang. Surprisingly light, delicate, minimal and pretty. A Confederacy of Dances Vol.1 (1992) and Vol 2 (1994) - Frisell, Marclay, Parkins, Zorn etc. Missed them back when the LPs came out but fun listening now. Recent jazz favorite: Colin Stetson - New History of Warfare Vol.1 (2008). Also, the latest by Keith Jarrett : Rio, is getting great reviews but I have not heard it yet. Fusion The Goat Rodeo Sessions (2011) country folk classical fusion with Yo Yo Ma. Electronica Deru - Say Goodbye to Useless http://musicstore.deru.la/album/say-goodbye-to-useless Vocal Rokia Traore: Wanita (1999) Reggae I am quite fond of Midnite, he has a very groovacious chant down Babylon stylee (by way of St. Croix not Jamaica), most tracks I've heard by him are solid tasty roots. BobC http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego --Apple-Mail-1-212961323 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This year is a = centennial year for John Cage. and I came = across:
John Cage:  Melodies & Harmonies = (2012) - performers  Annelie Gahl, Klaus = Lang.
Surprisingly light, delicate, minimal and = pretty.

A Confederacy of Dances Vol.1 (1992) and = Vol 2 (1994) - Frisell, Marclay, Parkins, Zorn etc.
Missed = them back when the LPs came out but fun listening = now.

Recent jazz favorite:
Colin Stetson  - =  New History of Warfare Vol.1 (2008).
Also, the = latest by Keith Jarrett : Rio, is getting great reviews but I have not = heard it yet.

Fusion
The Goat Rodeo = Sessions (2011) country folk classical fusion with Yo Yo = Ma.

Electronica
Deru - Say Goodbye to = Useless

= Vocal
Rokia Traore: Wanita = (1999)

Reggae
I am quite fond of = Midnite, he has a very groovacious chant down Babylon stylee (by way of = St. Croix not Jamaica), most tracks I've heard by him are = solid tasty roots.


= --Apple-Mail-1-212961323-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 00:43:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FF9E183462; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F0F7E23.80603@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:43:15 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7c8PvB.A.ncH.n43DPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:43:19 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on cyberCHUMP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Secrets To Tell You" on Internal Conbustion Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 00:47:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17FAB183461; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:47:37 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0ca1f7dd-ac38-4af1-966f-d062999f7c07_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Tube amp sag Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:42:35 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2012 00:42:36.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EC9F030:01CCD18C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:47:37 +0000 (UTC) --_0ca1f7dd-ac38-4af1-966f-d062999f7c07_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have always understood that sag was a product of the voltage drop from th= e rectifier on a tube amp. A tube rectifier having more sag than a solid st= ate one. A solid state rectifier can be made to sag with a power resistor i= n the output of the rectifier. Fwiw. I believe I have seen some mods that r= educe the voltage to the tube elements. = --_0ca1f7dd-ac38-4af1-966f-d062999f7c07_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have always understood that sa= g was a product of the voltage drop from the rectifier on a tube amp. A tub= e rectifier having more sag than a solid state one. A solid state rectifier= can be made to sag with a power resistor in the output of the rectifier. F= wiw. I believe I have seen some mods that reduce the voltage to the tube el= ements.
= --_0ca1f7dd-ac38-4af1-966f-d062999f7c07_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 07:07:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DED48183465; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JyEvamLb/SvNSf679B0fQgOTfVGgw/D/sUyx5ej/ftk=; b=pf4J8xwwLeYwcldWRLgFfqzWcSiE2vcr7De/yGoA/U9veioCeHFN5Dvmmni6hgtB/B zttahwDwplRXDCcZM10g7BkFqBopnFTODXRMRwm8LhL8Dj4z0cvibEmZ7bsvnIrfkp07 kmFG7Sh/4faHnH47wqM01dqAExk2cWqEorrUU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F0E87A4.10005@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:07:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Music suggestions? From: Johannes Korn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040168b9028ec304b6638507 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:07:37 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040168b9028ec304b6638507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2012/1/12 Anders Bergdahl > I have been listening alot to " Scandinavian Electro-Jazz: > Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve Henriksen, Arild Andersen,... > (listening to Arve at the moment..) > > Arve Henriksen is also a member of Supersilent, an improvisational group that mixes electronic and acoustic sounds. Excellent music. Their albums have no names and are just numbered. I very much recommend Supersilent 6 as a starting point, and then all the others (I think they're at number eleven right now). -- jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --f46d040168b9028ec304b6638507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2012/1/12 Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>
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I have been listening alot to " =A0Scandinavian Electro-Jazz:
Nils Petter Molvaer, Eivind Aarset, Arve H= enriksen, Arild Andersen,... (listening to Arve at the moment..)


Arve Henriksen= is also a member of Supersilent, an improvisational group that mixes elect= ronic and acoustic sounds. Excellent music. Their albums have no names and = are just numbered.
I very much recommend Supersilent 6 as a starting point, and then all the o= thers (I think they're at number eleven right now).

--=A0
never had a proble= m with this situation, and i have stored my ebow with the battery in it (we= ll, various batteries) for 12-15 years.my favorite thing to do with the ebo= w of late is to pick a string on my lap steel that i want to ring, and sacr= ifice the two strings on either side. it is an 8 string, so i still have 5 = strings to play with. that is fun.
 
 
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----- Orig= inal Message -----
From: "mike@michaelplishka.com" <mike@michaelplis= hka.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc:
Sent: = Monday, January 23, 2012 6:02 PM
Subject: OT Ebow casing degradation

I haven't used my ebow for a while and broke it out to= day to find the glue
line partially dissolved, the casing coming apart a= nd a weird, black greasy
goo on the seam.  Anyone else have this? I= t still had the battery inside.
Swapped it out and it works, it just muc= ked up my hands. I'll need to do
some epoxying as well. I believe the sw= itch got bumped to the "on" position
in storage.

Anyone else have= this happen? Off gassing from the battery?


~Peace~

Mike<= br>

www.michaelplishka.com
www.scribbledmusings.com


---985778932-870495506-1327378931=:33033-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 04:31:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1579183473; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D713BF04-31A3-4EBE-AA21-2B3E26E770B4" From: Loren Claypool In-Reply-To: <1327378931.33033.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:31:48 -0600 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <1327378931.33033.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:31:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_D713BF04-31A3-4EBE-AA21-2B3E26E770B4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Tim, I've been doing the same thing for years. I really like to roll = back the tone knob all the way, add some delay, work the eBow with my = right hand and the slide with my left. I've looped this and created pads = that are easily mistaken for synths. All the best, Loren Claypool genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there On Jan 23, 2012, at 10:22 PM, tim echols wrote: > "my favorite thing to do with the ebow of late is to pick a string on = my lap steel that i want to ring, and sacrifice the two strings on = either side. it is an 8 string, so i still have 5 strings to play with. = that is fun." > =20 > =20 > time > =20 > http://soundcloud.com/tsunamidaily --Apple-Mail=_D713BF04-31A3-4EBE-AA21-2B3E26E770B4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Tim, I've been doing the same thing for years. I really like to roll back the tone knob all the way, add some delay, work the eBow with my right hand and the slide with my left. I've looped this and created pads that are easily mistaken for synths.

All the best,

Loren Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there



On Jan 23, 2012, at 10:22 PM, tim echols wrote:

"my favorite thing to do with the ebow of late is to pick a string on my lap steel that i want to ring, and sacrifice the two strings on either side. it is an 8 string, so i still have 5 strings to play with. that is fun."
 
 
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--Apple-Mail=_D713BF04-31A3-4EBE-AA21-2B3E26E770B4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 05:42:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BC57183477; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 05:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=H/M/05J0uGgzZMTxXWJODfNyDd9SxzPUJY2Y0ADMbZ0=; b=pqk5BVkIh4K4EUly6sk8zmNDlJUGx+4PmSMFgw+oyr55Ie/0gBkaMyDfgo0D2OSLcA B8SHyf+SJUObnxi0REcnA3FMdDPQB3baxdmZNaQvgVBVRBjvt+ffpU+R4E/viycwvCd4 P7AGBe3UmnoSncW8HwIiofOV+vf/KQaLK+/bI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ccda33$eb5d76a0$c21863e0$@michaelplishka.com> <57BB5F6F-F91B-4693-956E-612DBA1A9DB4@gmail.com> <344C4730-5255-464C-9398-44CDA519C753@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:41:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Ebow casing degradation From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 05:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Was hoping to see Tim Nelson chime in on this part of the thread: he did an entire CD called "mesh" with Ebow and acoustic guitar a couple years ago=85very cool stuff =85 http://youtu.be/taTBcD-KV04 Main point is that the strings have to have sufficient amount of iron/steel in them to work and you'd be surprised how loud it can get=85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Ted Killian wrote= : > Well, the metal has to have some iron/steel content to it too . . . so no= t just any metal. > > For instance, the bronze wrapped lower strings of an otherwise nylon stri= nged guitar are not suitable for Ebow. > > And the instrument ought to be amplified somehow (the Ebow is too quiet f= or general acoustic use). > > The first guitar I ever used on on was an acoustic 12-string (Yamaha FG36= 0) with a Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup played through a tiny PigNose amp. > > I remember putting that amp and a mic in a closed cardboard box with a mi= c -- it sounded waaaaay huge. > > The ebow will work quite successfull yon a lot of steel-stringed, amplifi= ed instruments. > > It'll even work pretty well on bass, but begins to have trouble moving th= e massive lower strings. > > > On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:16 PM, william middlemiss wrote: > >> anything with metal strings. Ive used one on a piano before. >> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, chaz worm w= rote: >> I do not play guitar (well, some 12 string acoustic). Just banjo and bas= s. Can an eBow be used on either of those? =A0What about a dulcimer? >> >> Chaz >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM, RP Collier wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:02 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone else have this happen? Off gassing from the battery? >>> >>> >>> No, had mine for years thru longs periods of non-use with battery loade= d. >>> What brand of battery were you using? >>> Could it have been heat from being on continuously for so long rather t= han battery vapors? >>> >>> BobC >>> >>> >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j >>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego >> >> >> >> -- >> If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a respons= ibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to = occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest deg= ree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as = my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the c= ondition that you respect mine. >> >> Best wishes, Billy >> >> (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy = diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable int= entions from which this signature was created.) >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 07:26:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8129F183465; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=eVhRvAVUYKRTtAfrREVtvDyKteCrHigTnZxQLKTI7aw=; b=p9nl8vGi1/pDF+zJKyZawSM9BZY96iuyp8ntPnHQZUDA3j2pi2DZiOmw/MqXcoEeu7 u7uniP3TMhwFOVdnvx4nX/vkfhFh28uPOYsIHI7Hi8nsoM5qxD5vxnYBi5pQ07+64Kwb 53Q3AUkZpGuoOkgIi3mXY56p+ns51NiVV21s4= References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:26:41 +0100 Message-ID: <-7602718406844866896@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: OT: no editors = bad art? discuss! was: Filter or Phasing effect in dance music To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Now THAT was a good doc. I had a dismal "State of the Nation" talk with my business partner yesterday, the kind of "if we don't pull our socks up ( and the socks of our 9 employees) we're bankrupt by the summer. This doc summarizes some of my companies problem but also gave me much hope and enthusiasm for the future. The awful fact is that to survive, We must change, my company is over-run with project managers, production managers and sales, all hired In moments of fear of confusion and need for order over the 4 creatives, but In todays world we are all creatives, with super rays coming out of our fingertips, everytime we touch a keyboard. This film is now required viewing for My company, thanks for the link Sylvain. M Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 23 Jan 2012, at 21:19, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Someone said: >>> worthy of documentation on youtube... > > That cracked me up... but it could give rise to a potentially > interesting new thread on what the demise of the editor (due to > increase ease of self-publication or self-diffusion more generally) > means for the quality of art. > Anyone can publish their shit... there is no gatekeeper. Which is > awesome/awful. > > I recently watched this documentary that presented some views on this, > might be of interest to some of you: http://vimeo.com/34608191 > > Sylvain > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 08:20:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2899183478; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CC6bqH3BAaUYh1isiP8O62kr8jhOE/NhBLLozkwMJIs=; b=jcQwAf1OnX+j0j/OkeGE7nCo4QZ1BaHblRfC8SSOzCdZaVUWFvmvakxAQCmfjfDZqk 8b/zUsOuUepD6SBfc/fbRcbunwmQvxBI/nJqqo2f8Q+QdP1kOo7EW24WVawUWL/PYYwF PaydVwaSriSFkADzCZ7ZWbUF831PgzwTGw7to= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> References: <64762AB9-C1AD-4046-A191-82A15740550A@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:20:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Poll: Gordius Users From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:20:31 +0000 (UTC) I chose to get the LG because it offers enough control options for my need and because it is still rather small, light and portable (it fits into a sturdy Stick case together with the instrument plus cables, meaning I can take laptop, audio interface and some smaller instrument as cabin luggage). Now with the upcoming upgrade the Gordius will offer also a long-press for the switches and this doubles up its services within each bank. But of course it is impossible to answer a question like yours if not knowing the details about what you want to do with the controller. I still tweak the same approximately 85 parameters that have been the foundation of all my live rigs for the last ten years, so that's why I can at least answer for myself in this regard. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > LG or BLG? > > For BLG is extra real estate worth the gain of a couple of buttons? > > Is LG sufficiently well-formed that users feel no pull towards the BLG? > > Thoughts? > > Phil :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 09:00:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2018183479; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 148597.43351.bm@omp1010.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1327395598; bh=MFSMl7dFah/Tqb3ew8BarRLJ8R1kgutSLxVSG2WhG+I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nGLuKYDRT+98LOzpt862SgC/7pLFe9h2Mp8Vph0S3fzbpF9hqXzi2UgDjucMlCVrFyZUg1uvz1LPF8TqyM89I4FqvgglOAJBA9WxmYShZJdt6XVe1q/JxE5v+d6eiEP6f1Fl8zMe6D3W8n7XE6TMvIxX41eml0E5C28PQJaFxmA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1Ld9E1sNWyF9wdeJ2IhLcak6JeR8QkuTLb9Ph2xqrgp3Ay92Vzp+8UfnFiRz3qzHU6aTitJQD3ERcyKmBx7D3n5CWzsy47RUxsAxMOKa/cfsywQRA6FOjiRHszrTbrVNQMatQR2Vje6O0ELv/juCbmctzWccTPe7aSxPcLYNKMQ=; X-YMail-OSG: vp4lPwkVM1nyKjcFZvfRL_e3axgNxQ_IoqjEWDpJ49wuuoz ILS8uvlGhcoXgH65KbJvUusWyCXxQryBc9eVIYfkmgTgcGLbUOabivKa6M6. 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---175838064-2116202985-1327395598=:7604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 09:39:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40EE2183475; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Hi7RpIDK8ak1Fpp2nxIZuK4nRfvFRf8+sDn8OSV6gE4=; b=hq6XIbs+RZ7n+Jm9ZVhbsUHwYM2yFAYl3GynljKh8nUQiBoHm9FBQsT5Jyu3pEt2Jm 6/MngaVIk2vzNh+G9Ymu4ygh2KO7bR3OqvlmQxHI7M5smkr1hLvsZ0Kq28466OHDi8VX mTxvHlAk24tkUsOnAUMzbcQNJzwQEK26nSB/I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:39:34 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MSrzNEa8TYKC2-JG_8009Tf0Jpk Message-ID: Subject: OT:Android tablets running Flash? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f088ea60b204b742ed62 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:39:55 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0447f088ea60b204b742ed62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello, bit of a OT topic, but if there one group of people who would know... Im looking to buy a tablet, one that can run TouchOSC. Now I have difficulty connecting PC laptops to my mac WiFi box (dunno why, just cant) but... I was wondering... I really need to demonstrate my stuff using its, and currently thats all in Flash!. But that doesnt work on iPhones or iPads cos of Apples decision to... well you know... So I was wondering, if I get an Android Pad instead... im not fussy.. would THAT work? Can you connect to Flash! enabled sites and have them work? Second question... Can you copy your own material to these devices, for example a folder with demos in. These demos are predominately html files holding Flash Players showing flv video. This is because some of my programs will only work over pretty hefty broadband, and /or some of the places I show my demos, may not have wifi at all. I DO NOT WANT any arsey comment about Flash! being horrible or Apple verses PC... this is simple a practical issue. The fact is, I produced most of my stuff using Flash! and now want to get into the iPad market, I CANNOT get customers interested without work that exists to try on the iPad, but Im buggered if Im changing complex and OLD programs to be HTML5 and mp4 video, till I have a customer who will PAY!! Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d0447f088ea60b204b742ed62 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, bit of a OT topic, but if there one group of people who would know..= .

Im looking to buy a tablet, one that can run TouchOSC.

Now = I have difficulty connecting PC laptops to my mac WiFi box (dunno why, just= cant) but... I was wondering... I really need to demonstrate my stuff usin= g its, and currently thats all in Flash!. But that doesnt work on iPhones o= r iPads cos of Apples decision to... well you know...

So I was wondering, if I get an Android Pad instead... im not fussy.. w= ould THAT work? Can you connect to Flash! enabled sites and have them work?=
Second question... Can you copy your own material to these devices, for= example a folder with demos in. These demos are predominately html files h= olding Flash Players showing flv video.

This is because some of my programs will only work over pretty hefty br= oadband, and /or some of the places I show my demos, may not have wifi at a= ll.

I DO NOT WANT any arsey comment about Flash! being horrible or A= pple verses PC... this is simple a practical issue. The fact is, I produced= most of my stuff using Flash! and now want to get into the iPad market, I = CANNOT get customers interested without work that exists to try on the iPad= , but Im buggered if Im changing complex and OLD programs to be HTML5 and m= p4 video, till I have a customer who will PAY!!

Mark



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--f46d0447f088ea60b204b742ed62-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 11:11:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BDE4183475; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <340B92FE559247D4A0D3D2C89B5B0FAC@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT:Android tablets running Flash? Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:11:42 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CCDA88.F3DA7710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:11:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CCDA88.F3DA7710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can=E2=80=99t shed much light on the Mac vs IP situation... my support = experiences with Macs on a network using TCP/IP were infuriating. I = would have hoped they=E2=80=99d gotten it together by now...? From: mark francombe=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:39 AM To: loopers-delight=20 Subject: OT:Android tablets running Flash? Hello, bit of a OT topic, but if there one group of people who would = know... Im looking to buy a tablet, one that can run TouchOSC. Now I have difficulty connecting PC laptops to my mac WiFi box (dunno = why, just cant) but... I was wondering... I really need to demonstrate = my stuff using its, and currently thats all in Flash!. But that doesnt = work on iPhones or iPads cos of Apples decision to... well you know... So I was wondering, if I get an Android Pad instead... im not fussy.. = would THAT work? Can you connect to Flash! enabled sites and have them = work? Second question... Can you copy your own material to these devices, for = example a folder with demos in. These demos are predominately html files = holding Flash Players showing flv video. This is because some of my programs will only work over pretty hefty = broadband, and /or some of the places I show my demos, may not have wifi = at all. I DO NOT WANT any arsey comment about Flash! being horrible or Apple = verses PC... this is simple a practical issue. The fact is, I produced = most of my stuff using Flash! and now want to get into the iPad market, = I CANNOT get customers interested without work that exists to try on the = iPad, but Im buggered if Im changing complex and OLD programs to be = HTML5 and mp4 video, till I have a customer who will PAY!! Mark --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CCDA88.F3DA7710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can=E2=80=99t shed much light on the Mac vs IP situation... my = support=20 experiences with Macs on a network using TCP/IP were infuriating.  = I would=20 have hoped they=E2=80=99d gotten it together by now...?
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: OT:Android tablets running Flash?
 
Hello,=20 bit of a OT topic, but if there one group of people who would = know...

Im=20 looking to buy a tablet, one that can run TouchOSC.

Now I have = difficulty=20 connecting PC laptops to my mac WiFi box (dunno why, just cant) but... I = was=20 wondering... I really need to demonstrate my stuff using its, and = currently=20 thats all in Flash!. But that doesnt work on iPhones or iPads cos of = Apples=20 decision to... well you know...

So I was wondering, if I get an = Android=20 Pad instead... im not fussy.. would THAT work? Can you connect to Flash! = enabled=20 sites and have them work?
Second question... Can you copy your own = material=20 to these devices, for example a folder with demos in. These demos are=20 predominately html files holding Flash Players showing flv = video.

This is=20 because some of my programs will only work over pretty hefty broadband, = and /or=20 some of the places I show my demos, may not have wifi at all.

I = DO NOT=20 WANT any arsey comment about Flash! being horrible or Apple verses PC... = this is=20 simple a practical issue. The fact is, I produced most of my stuff using = Flash!=20 and now want to get into the iPad market, I CANNOT get customers = interested=20 without work that exists to try on the iPad, but Im buggered if Im = changing=20 complex and OLD programs to be HTML5 and mp4 video, till I have a = customer who=20 will PAY!!

Mark



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