archive/latest/113299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 06:08:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CCAFC4.959DF670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to the group from a new list member. I am presently sorting and assembling gear to begin the looping = adventure. I have a boss rc-50 to act as my main looper, with some rack = mount delays to use before my instruments signals reach the rc-50. I have an older korg sdd-1200 delay that i am trying to figure out. The = unit just seems to give one solid repeat with one or two very faint = repeats after. i am just running mono with the delays patched serial = using the +mix out.=20 I am wondering if this is just how this particular unit was designed to = work. or if I am missing something in the way I am hooking it up. Any help or hints would be welcome. cheers ets ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CCAFC4.959DF670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello to the group from a new list=20 member.

I am presently sorting and = assembling gear to=20 begin the looping adventure. I have a boss rc-50 to act as my main = looper, with=20 some rack mount delays to use before my instruments signals reach the=20 rc-50.

I have an older korg sdd-1200 delay = that i am=20 trying to figure out. The unit just seems to give one solid repeat with = one or=20 two very faint repeats after. i am just running mono with the delays = patched=20 serial using the +mix out.

I am wondering if this is just how this = particular=20 unit was designed to work. or if I am missing something in the way I am = hooking=20 it up.

Any help or hints would be = welcome.

cheers

ets

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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:04:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: free pedal plugins! From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:04:43 +0000 (UTC) ive been looking for a cool vinyl emulation AU plugin to simulate vinyl static noise and dirt,izotopes vinyl is cool but is not working under OSX Lion any other suggestions? On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Not my work but these may be of use to some of you guys.. > http://tonebytes.com/pedals/ > Peace > G > > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 08:21:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB92C183462; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=4rwVaPHyOTC9dqwHrjK/Jto6bnyFNs6GnRsxZn9xiKA=; b=u13Ikqh01ViNgOHaocd8mGDPwvmI4uzkEn4/2sdaneTEXGSMy82YO+BTFqRtqsVZH5 LK502Gsg8Ml5EnednTQTWldcSv3PnlRXRQzsxBVumeL8dWHrZR1+O4E4fpxHQhqYpuRG bsYflVx7OvBUcrB2jWl5LHHyuoYyg+0/oiyB8= References: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> <4ED4E74A.3090603@cruzio.com>

From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:21:02 +0100 Message-ID: <-4737569884811080894@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: free pedal plugins! To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:21:08 +0000 (UTC) i Think using audio recordings of vinyl crackles gives the best effect. (freesound.org) you dont really want to destroy the tone of your mux do you, just add enough to give feeling. Unless you are doing some foley work or concept piece. i for example often add a few crackles to a loop from my alesis airFX. which has a terrible vinyl emulation, not for authentic antique recording, but just to make some random clicky additions to the rythym. Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:04, Louie Angulo wrote: > ive been looking for a cool vinyl emulation AU plugin to simulate > vinyl static noise and dirt,izotopes vinyl is cool but is not working > under OSX Lion > any other suggestions? > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Gareth Whittock > wrote: >> Not my work but these may be of use to some of you guys.. >> http://tonebytes.com/pedals/ >> Peace >> G >> >> > > > > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 08:29:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCDFB183462; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=0kyQEnR8SaIb+xJO2FXArokjnsS+Hr1r2mDSTisEaNg=; b=xU5iZTbbYtoVCMyRHL08Zaaf8r9RSossoaZJ/QYhQ83z7z0BzQDEg3uKr+yGBVGKWo VUXmwqB8Id3Obv43G60Gp2S2Yp20jdE3AkZdGw5By3L35I93KaWtcBIbfVEkE/Hm/p0U FaaEv54oeTCMB/2t44vTkiBsKbB4QPOya9R/8= From: mark francombe Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:29:32 +0100 Message-ID: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid> Subject: airFX level mismatch. To: loopers-delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5E08T.A.r1F.zrz1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:29:39 +0000 (UTC) i just mentioned AirFX In another post, thought Id just drop a question regarding its gain levels. Its currently stuck on the output of one if my edp's, for processing. However, if i select one of the "sound fx" patches, it comes out INSANELY loud, But if i put the EDP thru something to increase its volume, like a Limiter pedal i have, it just distorts.. Is this just a "cheap product" problem, or a "need a better "Audio boost solution" issue? m Sent from my (advertisement removed) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 08:51:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3164B183466; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=x3fmOaMIthDcsFGZheD+JTjoKhv4WxT+gFX/I/fpx/Q=; b=jKGJVcJ6c8T8pvGJyFEtBOI9qtqp8NmZBP6HyfVzbJAIyjWSiKgbfkdYNU2l/nWIPj MGvie45pUhNNlt5q14IKtCuIFKlRItP9tWmmlEPIek8HKvb1Nwmu9TrI/C2dBwXew7l6 WYIaTAfhNtwyGdsq4jBnN8mo86+S5yOPJo0Ls= Message-ID: <4ED73FFE.1050301@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:51:10 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping References: <4ED6AD75.4090108@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4ED6AD75.4090108@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:51:14 +0000 (UTC) A rough estimate for a new one is "lower five-digit euro range". The capacity on odd saxophones is this guy: http://eppelsheim.com Benedikt Eppelsheim (who incidentially performed on my first CD, Janus) has at one point decided to make odd saxophones. One reason: Adolphe Sax originally designed the alto sax by a combination of copying from clarinet designs, educated guessing and trial and error. He then went on and got patents for saxophones in every register, from a sub contrabass to a sopranino. What he did there was linear scaling, i.e. on a sopranino, everything is half as big as on his alto design, and on the subcontrabass, everything is four times as big. Since then, instrument makers mainly used these Sax designs when building their instruments. The result: while the alto and tenor saxes you usuall have are great instruments (with regard to intonation, response etc.), the baritones and sopranos are mainly ok, and everything above or below that is crap - because physics really don't work that way. What Eppelsheim did (who, according to loop guy Andrew Pask, who with Jeff Kaiser forms The Choir Boys, is a "true hero among all the experimental saxophone players all over the world, but at least in the Pacific US, Hong Kong and New Zealand") was to focus on those extreme registers and completely redesign them based on physical research and advanced craftmanship. But I digress: those big saxes cost a lot. Moreover, all of them (with the exception of the Eppelsheim ones) are more of a gimmick than a proper musical instrument, and for that, much too expensive... Rainer > Thanks for the tip, Brian. It's very important to get these things > right. > God, what does a bass saxaphone cost? I can't even imagine. > > rick walker > > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 08:55:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5E94183475; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:55:22 +0100 Message-ID: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01CCB00F.57F53EF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: AcywBvW+e5Wa5BHORbuqElQxkgVKiA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:55:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01CCB00F.57F53EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here's a 45 minute recording of an improvised livelooping set that I did last Saturday. What was most interesting to me about it was that I had some plans what to do on the evening, but for various reasons (difficult and loud venue, etc), it went completely elsewhere, and I found myself following short term impulses for the complete set, not really knowing what I was doing. I was completely convinced afterwards that the set had been a complete failure, even when people told me they quite liked it. Then two days later I listened through the recording and found that the rapid succession of style changes was quite interesting. http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen Does it happen to you too that your own immediate assessment of your live music is very different to what you feel about it later? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01CCB00F.57F53EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

here's a 45 minute recording of an = improvised=20 livelooping set that I did last Saturday. What was most interesting to = me about=20 it was that I had some plans what to do on the evening, but for = various=20 reasons (difficult and loud venue, etc), it went completely elsewhere, = and I=20 found myself following short term impulses for the complete set, not = really=20 knowing what I was doing.

I was completely convinced afterwards = that the set=20 had been a complete failure, even when people told me they quite liked = it. Then=20 two days later I listened through the recording and found that the rapid = succession of style changes was quite interesting.

http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen=

Does it happen to you too that your own = immediate=20 assessment of your live music is very different to what you feel about = it=20 later?

-Michael

------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01CCB00F.57F53EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 09:21:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1889183463; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 707767319/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.222/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.222 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAFpG105YbRDe/2dsb2JhbAAMOK1rAQEBAwEyAQVABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAO4OYgLgxUEmgaMYw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,277,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="707767319" Message-ID: <4ED74724.1050801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:21:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:21:25 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Im loving tis idea... my guitar tech had a nighmare putting both a GK2B > and a fernandez into the guitar, wonder what he would say if I turned up > with 2 more gK3�s Im gonna do this..!! Dunnow if you did this already, but I reckon it's a good idea to to blu tack a GK3 into place first to see how well the synth tracks when the pickup isn't right next to the bridge. (guessing that your guitar tech won't be able to fit 3 p/us within 1cm of the bridge as per Roland's recommendation) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 09:27:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54E47183464; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TXkhMUsBG1rbMtaXTehyaRZK8FVMrPtveNVh710pJbE=; b=xnUrfIXYBm2G2QfDKl8AF7ZDoAiH7odNZ9Md1LmEBi5BESGnbeysrfxoEQzkBOAt3v sVQRRfo4Ks+uyhIMDB/J6rDjiU3UOAF0AjDhu0139FKpBIiPbDaw8v3YwErZ/mgRbS0+ 0Wi5PWnFsJdEBR9EEDwQJWIbHcs5vmg05sovc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED74724.1050801@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED74724.1050801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:27:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:27:09 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:21 AM, andy butler wrote= : > (guessing that your guitar tech won't be > =C2=A0able to fit 3 p/us within 1cm of the bridge > =C2=A0as per Roland's recommendation) Here I want to chime in a report that on one of my Sticks the GK-3 PU is 34 mm from the where the string passes the bridge. It plays well anyway. And the total scale length is a couple of millimeters outside the range that is possible to dial in by the GR-55 preferences. So it seems these recommended figures are a bit forgiving. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 09:31:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 514B0183464; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=KDaqdB/8jgOcDshuKOp0UXsOw+bC3WF8JkJ9Tn8OskQ=; b=HxM8QYhQ2IHZ+zhWceiO1w4U1fGrSxT49AcuUpOgJke5nHdieAcFbbJNriRZS9oXIN HteSXYQOGx4fo23C8ESkRAIBLqjilg3KH+cI/l7EpGZZrG2za8tcM7Sv7eGg7hNgiuEM 9qu1r78DlC2i1yP0LWgPPh+z45x7J1z8vqtC8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4ED74724.1050801@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED74724.1050801@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:30:52 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jRNwMkN-fr2a8pgXZ4lgLMY0u7g Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6d4c71912d04b30483d6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:31:14 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303f6d4c71912d04b30483d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah I thought about that... I manages to fit 2 pickups next to each other, not sure if them being so close together is causing a problem... I had such a problem fitting my Fernandez p/u as it cause weird feedback with the adjoining pickup, I just removed the pickup... now i have a hole where the nid pickup should be (of ten thought about added some cool thing in the hole... )like a felt pad on a harmonic piint, unfortunately it doesnt quite line up with a nice hoarmonic) But yes fitting 3 might be a prob. I m gonna try putting a pickup further awy from bridge.. The problem isnt tracking I thjink, just that if you bend a note it will move to the next pole.. Hmm velly interesting? M On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:21 AM, andy butler wrote= : > mark francombe wrote: > > Im loving tis idea... my guitar tech had a nighmare putting both a GK2B >> and a fernandez into the guitar, wonder what he would say if I turned up >> with 2 more gK3=E6=84=80 Im gonna do this..!! >> > > Dunnow if you did this already, > but I reckon it's a good idea to to blu tack a GK3 into place first to se= e > how well the synth tracks when the pickup > isn't right next to the bridge. > > (guessing that your guitar tech won't be > able to fit 3 p/us within 1cm of the bridge > as per Roland's recommendation) > > > > andy > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303f6d4c71912d04b30483d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah I thought about that... I manages to fit 2 pickups next to each other,= not sure if them being so close together is causing a problem... I had suc= h a problem fitting my Fernandez p/u as it cause weird feedback with the ad= joining pickup, I just removed the pickup... now i have a hole where the ni= d pickup should be (of ten thought about added some cool thing in the hole.= .. )like a felt pad on a harmonic piint, unfortunately it doesnt quite line= up with a nice hoarmonic)

But yes fitting 3 might be a prob. I m gonna try putting a pickup furth= er awy from bridge.. The problem isnt tracking I thjink, just that if you b= end a note it will move to the next pole.. Hmm velly interesting?

M

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:21 AM, andy b= utler <akbut= ler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

mark francombe wrote:

Im loving tis idea... my guitar tech had a nighmare putting both a GK2B and= a fernandez into the guitar, wonder what he would say if I turned up with = 2 more gK3=E6=84=80 =C2=A0Im gonna do this..!!

Dunnow if you did this already,
but I reckon it's a good idea to to blu tack a GK3 into place first to = see
how well the synth tracks when the pickup
isn't right next to the bridge.

(guessing that your guitar tech won't be
=C2=A0able to fit 3 p/us within 1cm of the bridge
=C2=A0as per Roland's recommendation)

andy

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf303f6d4c71912d04b30483d6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 09:36:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07E35183463; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=k3iTLYHFQJyKVV6MCRCShK6FUp9r5GvvKwX1DDKxP7I=; b=HUyZgcW4jwnnd5+UTbhgfuOD2+9Job4vinauq6bj+G72a5YvL2qa4skPzeYghRjr+g gYNbNt/dX46zLsATJ3A+0bVUDmOBYIOS9/TSVgv0ZcDSfM7ghiGLi3Vj/noxWmHDYLLn X8q8/FVELjWEm+fFyb+nAGdsGQg+XN6bWeXXs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED74724.1050801@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:36:10 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8pbGWqoIFfw_Jb5bX8_UcPmPyxY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5c25264baed04b3049679 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:36:33 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5c25264baed04b3049679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Same here, even my baritone has too long a scale for the recommended. Mine tracks ok, as in FAST, but there are some weird issues with the moddelled guitar sound that I mentioned before, almost like ring mod. But only sometimes.. certain guitar models are unaffected!??? Incidentely Per, weird thing I noticed yesterday. In the Amp models in the MFX section, you can adjust PAN position, but the standalone AMP model HAS NO PAN!!! Annoying as I was try to make a nice huge sound with the Normal pickup on the left and a modelled guitar on the right... only the modelled guitar can be panned!! Infact (not at home now) can you even pan the PCM tones? M On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:21 AM, andy butler > wrote: > > (guessing that your guitar tech won't be > > able to fit 3 p/us within 1cm of the bridge > > as per Roland's recommendation) > > > Here I want to chime in a report that on one of my Sticks the GK-3 PU > is 34 mm from the where the string passes the bridge. It plays well > anyway. And the total scale length is a couple of millimeters outside > the range that is possible to dial in by the GR-55 preferences. So it > seems these recommended figures are a bit forgiving. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --001636c5c25264baed04b3049679 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same here, even my baritone has too long a scale for the recommended. Mine = tracks ok, as in FAST, but there are some weird issues with the moddelled g= uitar sound that I mentioned before, almost like ring mod. But only sometim= es.. certain guitar models are unaffected!???

Incidentely Per, weird thing I noticed yesterday. In the Amp models in = the MFX section, you can adjust PAN position, but the standalone AMP model = HAS NO PAN!!! Annoying as I was try to make a nice huge sound with the Norm= al pickup on the left and a modelled guitar on the right... only the modell= ed guitar can be panned!! Infact (not at home now) can you even pan the PCM= tones?

M

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:2= 7 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:21 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > (guessing that your guitar tech won't be
> =A0able to fit 3 p/us within 1cm of the bridge
> =A0as per Roland's recommendation)

Here I want to chime in a report that on one of my Sticks the GK-3 PU=
is 34 mm from the where the string passes the bridge. It plays well
anyway. And the total scale length is a couple of millimeters outside
the range that is possible to dial in by the GR-55 preferences. So it
seems these recommended figures are a bit forgiving.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:46:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0LINsD.A.OIH.T001OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:47:00 +0000 (UTC) That's a bit funny! Didn't know about that. I'm afraid I don't know much about panning in the GR55. Rarely use panning and definitely never stereo for a sound I play. This is because stereo messes with my intonation performance abilities and since I apply wide stereo effects (to the sounds I play) I want these effects to come out as super huge background horizons and give 3-D depth to the overall sound. Per On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Incidentely Per, weird thing I noticed yesterday. In the Amp models in the > MFX section, you can adjust PAN position, but the standalone AMP model HAS > NO PAN!!! Annoying as I was try to make a nice huge sound with the Normal > pickup on the left and a modelled guitar on the right... only the modelled > guitar can be panned!! Infact (not at home now) can you even pan the PCM > tones? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 09:52:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21C5A183466; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ghg6kI4BepZsdtilE7mQqnru4V5x7fHS8CWi+HYfBaM=; b=rYC2VtwbvjYaMfv3HQ5WF0Ww0rqPQAteFCEHUPnPALdhMaoQo5+CppNy6zdbafMI02 Pa4tQfCDuf0HbK4QKy1CC+u+yD2HIeBsSPKND/jomPYZVTJUVBXIKP0IovPC0RBoNo6Q +qLYn7YWDCQzWsQKwvFtDiuQogxvhaccoOKjw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED74724.1050801@tiscali.co.uk>

From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:52:11 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fE52KhZ6xgfjsU7ZSqMKN296xIA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6aae9cb08404b304cfff Resent-Message-ID: <2tgEQC.A.xQH.f501OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:52:31 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303f6aae9cb08404b304cfff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well sounds like you DO use stereo to me!!!! But IM the same.. I like either the lead sound to becentered and leave the surrounding ambience to be stereo, OR, as in this case I make a sound that spreads over the whole spectrum, but I rarely use PANNING EFFECTS.. I do like to place things in the stereo fiels a bit tho.. For example, my 2 edps are (slightly) panned Left and right.. m On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > That's a bit funny! Didn't know about that. I'm afraid I don't know > much about panning in the GR55. Rarely use panning and definitely > never stereo for a sound I play. This is because stereo messes with my > intonation performance abilities and since I apply wide stereo effects > (to the sounds I play) I want these effects to come out as super huge > background horizons and give 3-D depth to the overall sound. > > Per > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Incidentely Per, weird thing I noticed yesterday. In the Amp models in > the > > MFX section, you can adjust PAN position, but the standalone AMP model > HAS > > NO PAN!!! Annoying as I was try to make a nice huge sound with the Normal > > pickup on the left and a modelled guitar on the right... only the > modelled > > guitar can be panned!! Infact (not at home now) can you even pan the PCM > > tones? > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303f6aae9cb08404b304cfff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well sounds like you DO use stereo to me!!!! But IM the same.. I like eithe= r the lead sound to becentered and leave the surrounding ambience to be ste= reo, OR, as in this case I make a sound that spreads over the whole spectru= m, but I rarely use PANNING EFFECTS.. I do like to place things in the ster= eo fiels a bit tho..

For example, my 2 edps are (slightly) panned Left and right..

m<= br>

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Per Boys= en <perboysen@g= mail.com> wrote:

That's a bit funny! Didn't know abo= ut that. I'm afraid I don't know
much about panning in the GR55. Rarely use panning and definitely
never stereo for a sound I play. This is because stereo messes with my
intonation performance abilities and since I apply wide stereo effects
(to the sounds I play) I want these effects to come out as super huge
background horizons and give 3-D depth to the overall sound.

Per

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Incidentely Per, weird thing I noticed yesterday. In the Amp models in= the
> MFX section, you can adjust PAN position, but the standalone AMP model= HAS
> NO PAN!!! Annoying as I was try to make a nice huge sound with the Nor= mal
> pickup on the left and a modelled guitar on the right... only the mode= lled
> guitar can be panned!! Infact (not at home now) can you even pan the P= CM
> tones?

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:03:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Well, look through the Assign Tabs plus the main PCM Tone assignment menu. It got to be there if panning is an option. Per On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:52 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Well sounds like you DO use stereo to me!!!! But IM the same.. I like either > the lead sound to becentered and leave the surrounding ambience to be > stereo, OR, as in this case I make a sound that spreads over the whole > spectrum, but I rarely use PANNING EFFECTS.. I do like to place things in > the stereo fiels a bit tho.. > > For example, my 2 edps are (slightly) panned Left and right.. > > m > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> That's a bit funny! Didn't know about that. I'm afraid I don't know >> much about panning in the GR55. Rarely use panning and definitely >> never stereo for a sound I play. This is because stereo messes with my >> intonation performance abilities and since I apply wide stereo effects >> (to the sounds I play) I want these effects to come out as super huge >> background horizons and give 3-D depth to the overall sound. >> >> Per >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > Incidentely Per, weird thing I noticed yesterday. In the Amp models in >> > the >> > MFX section, you can adjust PAN position, but the standalone AMP model >> > HAS >> > NO PAN!!! Annoying as I was try to make a nice huge sound with the >> > Normal >> > pickup on the left and a modelled guitar on the right... only the >> > modelled >> > guitar can be panned!! Infact (not at home now) can you even pan the PCM >> > tones? >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 11:58:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 395EA183462; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=mT9xRQkBV3W9VpCxFGYtdY/dSI5UFIQmD1rTvau7EDc=; b=igcXzJk2C1oMoF53NSxWb7MkROhR3yTQgACcgLQuImQEUFB47wryadbx1ia8OrBcYz h8qvHQ2UMHuYXl1K/DnncQHWHtnQ+wKQiLH2KTqXnNq6LkL0Kld2stVFmpzHZP8KHo34 kAKWJ8BtVVbqsQLiGk0ILAthD6bSje8RtLsxw= Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-836102832 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 03:58:06 -0800 References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:58:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-836102832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:29 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Is this just a > "cheap product" problem, or a "need a better "Audio boost solution" > issue? Isn't it a line level issue? Need to put it in the chain where signal goes to line level (-10db instead of 4db) or use a line level shifter? BobC --Apple-Mail-1-836102832 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Dec 1, 2011, = at 12:29 AM, mark francombe wrote:

Is this just a
"cheap = product" problem, or a "need a better "Audio boost = solution"
issue?

Isn't= it a line level issue?

Need to put it in the chain where = signal goes to line level (-10db instead of 4db) or use a line level = shifter?

BobC

= --Apple-Mail-1-836102832-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 12:46:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A8FF183462; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wMAKhEP77CWLK1PgjfdZGJyrGCVcTWJLPPwgkzXavAs=; b=of3ulWJSKmH5andz6iIj0ZAUQjj1yN+WWDrCrehqV/WKaIzRcex4PuDIzngY6yAuD6 NA/ug411dzBBy+vLUDiHhihPyIvxNj4/YZjZALogNdzGZiEmOs9Vuqh1EixHhxnB8MJQ Oq0Zs2NiXWv8crwDX11THdCjba3ptScFNT+zg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <-4737569884811080894@unknownmsgid> References: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> <4ED4E74A.3090603@cruzio.com>

<-4737569884811080894@unknownmsgid> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 07:46:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: free pedal plugins! From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5215b0f00059604b3073e78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:46:34 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec5215b0f00059604b3073e78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 that's what I did a while back for a live internet gig. i got samples of vinyl crackle at freesound along with some "broken" music box samples and activated them via Soundplant 39 into my loopers :) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/679233/if012110pt1.mp3 j On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:21 AM, mark francombe wrote: > i Think using audio recordings of vinyl crackles gives the best > effect. (freesound.org) you dont really want to destroy the tone of > your mux do you, just add enough to give feeling. Unless you are doing > some foley work or concept piece. i for example often add a few > crackles to a loop from my alesis airFX. which has a terrible vinyl > emulation, not for authentic antique recording, but just to make some > random clicky additions to the rythym. > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:04, Louie Angulo wrote: > > > ive been looking for a cool vinyl emulation AU plugin to simulate > > vinyl static noise and dirt,izotopes vinyl is cool but is not working > > under OSX Lion > > any other suggestions? > > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Gareth Whittock > > wrote: > >> Not my work but these may be of use to some of you guys.. > >> http://tonebytes.com/pedals/ > >> Peace > >> G > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > --bcaec5215b0f00059604b3073e78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that's what I did a while back for a live internet gig. i got samples o= f vinyl crackle at freesound along with some "broken" music box s= amples and activated them via Soundplant 39 into my loopers :)

http://dl.dropbox.com= /u/679233/if012110pt1.mp3

j

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:21 AM, mar= k francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:

i Think using audio recordings of vinyl crackles gives the best
effect. (freesound.org) you dont really want to destroy the tone of
your mux do you, just add enough to give feeling. Unless you are doing
some foley work or concept piece. i for example often add a few
crackles to a loop from my alesis airFX. which has a terrible vinyl
emulation, not for authentic antique recording, but just to make some
random clicky additions to the rythym.

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:04, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:

> ive been looking for a cool vinyl emulation AU plugin to simulate
> vinyl static noise and dirt,izotopes vinyl is cool but is not working<= br> > under OSX Lion
> any other suggestions?
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Gareth Whittock
> <buddhamachine@live.co.= uk> wrote:
>> Not my work but these may be of use to some of you guys..
>> http://= tonebytes.com/pedals/
>> Peace
>> G
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.luis-angu= lo.com
>

--bcaec5215b0f00059604b3073e78-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 13:07:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 190B9183462; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=pgskxRBBC32d6HjEX29AKsGN8UA4tspJX9KwqjQNlZE=; b=pBpOKMslpY00dkDMu0bpKyHnxfodqnS/h1NY5IlebJ/z/n2N9NLnbeOf/enlHlNH0h cnITsKrXMO/7yAogzXxdLbN1Wq7IAApAFsX2AM8NInhKTfRK/+dfogG1ny5hNWrheQu3 0wlcGnMN28aKEbLLzKdxMorfF7/N7Rk2ve27c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:07:11 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 91AWxKIuMttotfwYfdYjO24ToN4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502ec2a133e9a04b307891b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:07:33 +0000 (UTC) --00504502ec2a133e9a04b307891b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thnx Bob.. Youd think Id know about this kind of stuff by now. When you say "where signal goes to line level" does that mean "Where signal ENDS UP at " line level. Forexample. my mixer (also cheap piece of c***) Does have setting for -10 or +4, do you mean that I need to make sure its set to -10 My signal chain is Mixer Send>>> EDP>>>AirFX>>>Mixer Channel I have to admit that I dont set the switch on the back based on any knowledge of where it SHOULD be set, just on the fact that I like all my inputs to be lined up about the same. as in half way or 12 oclock! If something is too quiet to achieve this I set it to +4, if too loud then -10.. Er Is this wrong? Thanks Mark On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:58 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:29 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > Is this just a > "cheap product" problem, or a "need a better "Audio boost solution" > issue? > > > > Isn't it a line level issue? > Need to put it in the chain where signal goes to line level (-10db instead > of 4db) or use a line level shifter? > > > BobC > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --00504502ec2a133e9a04b307891b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thnx Bob.. Youd think Id know about this kind of stuff by now.

When= you say "where signal goes to line level" does that mean "W= here signal ENDS UP at " line level. Forexample. my mixer (also cheap = piece of c***) Does have setting for -10 or +4, do you mean that I need to = make sure its set to -10

My signal chain is Mixer Send>>> EDP>>>AirFX>>&= gt;Mixer Channel

I have to admit that I dont set the switch on the b= ack based on any knowledge of where it SHOULD be set, just on the fact that= I like all my inputs to be lined up about the same. as in half way or 12 o= clock! If something is too quiet to achieve this I set it to +4, if too lou= d=A0 then -10..

Er Is this wrong?

Thanks

Mark

=

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:58 PM, RP = Collier <ske= ptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:29 AM, mark francombe wrote:=

=A0Is this just a
"cheap product" problem, or a "need a better "Audio boo= st solution"
issue?

Isn't it a line level issue?
Need to put it in the ch= ain where signal goes to line level (-10db instead of 4db) or use a line le= vel shifter?

BobC

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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--00504502ec2a133e9a04b307891b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 14:56:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08616183460; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=W/SPQXU+p+4l/WBCtfRHSuPac2riATiuJ0hXDqZu8Xg=; b=Qu+2IvufqUzpkxHKUvZ4heXFRSsHhnezcceHuWaMI/QjTp2m7hjp70mhiw89jASWmJ tP3dNr1STgiqC/51NrfCl+ut65rN8aqCN6Gh5T7gXU7P99NFcqUD5ourY23n7Rjhm+N2 wdhZIpHVAfD9bO8R29tT/OctdPMV5cNuhbaj8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED74B7A.6060700@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4ED74B7A.6060700@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:56:07 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015176f0a6ea757c104b3090e7b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:56:29 +0000 (UTC) --0015176f0a6ea757c104b3090e7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the info. The M13 stuff has worked fine for tracking single note harmonica, but it isn't always the sound I am after. It doesn't have things like piano, horns, organ, etc. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:40 AM, andy butler wrote: > Mike Fugazzi wrote: > > Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube (assuming >> they work with chords and harmonica). >> > > No pitch to midi converter will work with chords. > (in a guitar synth, there's a converter for each string) > > Assuming it would work with harmonica and my vocalizations, it seems >> worth checking out. Any thoughts on the GR-20? I am most intrigued by the >> bass, organ, piano...I am confused by the pick-up part. >> > > The only way to find out is to try. > > The > > sonuus peterson g2m > > is cheap enough to give it a whirl. > > One problem is that pitch detectors rely on the attack of > the guitar to tell them a new note has started, so you probably > have to use a special playing technique to simulate that. > > Another thing is that the G2m will only be happy with pitch bends > of exactly a tone, or under. > > > andy butler > > --0015176f0a6ea757c104b3090e7b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the info.=A0 The M13 stuff has worked fine for tracking single n= ote harmonica, but it isn't always the sound I am after.=A0 It doesn= 9;t have things like piano, horns, organ, etc.

-------= ---
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
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Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:40 AM, andy but= ler <akbutle= r@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Mike Fugazzi wrote:

Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube (assumin= g they work with chords and harmonica).

No pitch to midi converter will work with chords.
(in a guitar synth, there's a converter for each string)

=A0Assuming it would work with harmonica and my vocalizations, it seems wor= th checking out. =A0Any thoughts on the GR-20? =A0I am most intrigued by th= e bass, organ, piano...I am confused by the pick-up part. =A0

The only way to find out is to try.

The

sonuus peterson g2m

is cheap enough to give it a whirl.

One problem is that pitch detectors rely on the attack of
the guitar to tell them a new note has started, so you probably
have to use a special playing technique to simulate that.

Another thing is that the G2m will only be happy with pitch bends
of exactly a tone, or under.=

andy butler

--0015176f0a6ea757c104b3090e7b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 14:57:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77D4C183453; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ldtb6hWQ8cHwFPEq8etHurCaCUlZdVFf8l4qLnO4T0A=; b=t1WG4IERnaCHdx2RHzmVcm5MZvS49BTKiTU1LnFm3suY7N7O9lX33qiy1I8g+nhNBQ GueiWMqvwKW4abrmKFd6evgA5pzCTSNWSGlukdevWzlz+SeSWd0ncvh6692Tmq+RhiMV 13FZhK7f1kd743kL6SRCn5YWwZguqs8D8kwJY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 07:57:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: WAS Re: free pedal plugins! Now: SoundPlant 39 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Louie, Jeff suggestion of using SoundPlant is, in fact, a great cross-platform solution. I just finished running some sound samples with it on my 13" February 2011 MacBook Pro that is running OS X Lion. You shouldn't have any problems using it (it's definitely software worth paying for, so I highly recommend it). Granted, it's not a plug-in, but it also isn't that "heavy" either. http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > that's what I did a while back for a live internet gig. i got samples of > vinyl crackle at freesound along with some "broken" music box samples and > activated them via Soundplant 39 into my loopers :) > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/679233/if012110pt1.mp3 > > j > >> >> On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:04, Louie Angulo wrote: >> >> > ive been looking for a cool vinyl emulation AU plugin to simulate >> > vinyl static noise and dirt,izotopes vinyl is cool but is not working >> > under OSX Lion >> > any other suggestions? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > www.luis-angulo.com >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 15:43:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0BFB183462; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=8YDg8Xi62N6tnfcWJMJUceJZolTh/+Oo3ABJfe60MSk=; b=WyP4r/w4bYEEE6lpbja7J+IKumJ2EWafzGzIaaVx33Rkk+8tJ4impr6v2FFprL4k9L +F5mnLJh3I4pW8NE2H3c8cHjOL7+zJdkG/o4jDeh/l5/0IFjg8ZYQsGzZqCQSv3tRITU zD6JUpAfu8/vwnF7PBhM8u6s2rdK0nRU6yPwU= Message-Id: <9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-849624601 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 07:43:28 -0800 References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid>

X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <_fVp_D.A.whD.lC61OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:43:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-849624601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:07 AM, mark francombe wrote: > When you say "where signal goes to line level" does that mean "Where > signal ENDS UP at " line level. > > Er Is this wrong? The signal going in to the AirFx needs to be -10. If the EDP has a switch to change output to -10 then that works. Otherwise you need something to change the level to line level, like a DI or line level shifter. If you send +4 to the mixer, then hopefully the mixer has a way to change and route the signal so you can insert the AirFX in a -10 fx loop. As far as I know, RCA plugs and jacks are usually line level, so if you have any RCA jacks on your mixer use those. I think the AirFx and similar boxes are considered DJ, as most tabletop fx boxes are line level - such as the Kaoss Pad. There may be other cheap DJ options for managing the signal chain, something that changes the impedance from guitar level to headphone level if you need possibilities. But I am no expert on this stuff. BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6 http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego --Apple-Mail-2-849624601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Dec 1, 2011, = at 5:07 AM, mark francombe wrote:

When you say = "where signal goes to line level" does that mean "Where signal ENDS UP = at " line level.

Er Is this = wrong?

The signal going in to the = AirFx needs to be -10. If the EDP has a switch to change output to -10 = then that works. Otherwise you need something to change the level to = line level, like a DI or line level shifter.

If you send +4 to = the mixer, then hopefully the mixer has a way to change and route the = signal so you can insert the AirFX in a -10 fx = loop.

As far as I know, RCA plugs and jacks are = usually line level, so if you have any RCA jacks on your mixer use = those.

I think the AirFx and similar boxes are = considered DJ, as most tabletop fx boxes are line level - such as the = Kaoss Pad. There may be other cheap DJ options for managing the signal = chain, something that changes the impedance from guitar level to = headphone level if you need possibilities.

But = I am no expert on this = stuff.

BobC

http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j

http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier6

http://www.youtube.com/user/ty= nego

= --Apple-Mail-2-849624601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 16:35:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 603F8183463; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=93tPRzCbesVt6nKVRyhzVfIV/pjUtL51/ZCLEmlpOeA=; b=mMZha53iJdwySgw7NyLqM453HRRUz9wrTl9qc2cjP6RLxJRbvQbFd8aLHxm51dRngr FeC2deyEpuwbaOshvs5k8PkO7kHoXYwSNa2ktBhS4ET/HvhJYcnPcHSTk5Ly1mpjkOmj OplIEQkksBqq9jF/SFvZJY/X7OAZMy+p6hpsA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver> References: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:35:47 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-MbuFC.A.GdE.kz61OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC) This is sounding really nice to me as well. Wish I could mix my loops up as well as you seem to be able. As for your last question, I often find that performance and listening are two completely, often unrelated, experiences for me. Kevin On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > here's a 45 minute recording of an improvised livelooping set that I did > last Saturday. What was most interesting to me about it was that I had so= me > plans what to do on the evening,=A0but for various reasons (difficult and= loud > venue, etc), it went completely elsewhere, and I found myself following > short term impulses for the complete set, not really knowing what I was > doing. > > I was completely convinced afterwards that the set had been a complete > failure, even when people told me they quite liked it. Then two days late= r I > listened through the recording and found that the rapid succession of sty= le > changes was quite interesting. > > http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen > > Does it happen to you too that your own immediate assessment of your live > music is very different to what you feel about it later? > > -Michael > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 16:41:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1A7718345D; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-12-01_05:2011-12-01,2011-12-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1112010154 Subject: Re: Vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 08:41:08 -0800 Message-id: References: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Great music, Kevin! I enjoyed this very much. > Does it happen to you too that your own immediate assessment of your live > music is very different to what you feel about it later? An amazing mentor once told me-- what it feels like to the performer may have little to do with what it sounds like for the listener. The same person also told me-- practice the craft -- and the craft will shine even when you are not feeling it. D On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > This is sounding really nice to me as well. Wish I could mix my loops > up as well as you seem to be able. > > As for your last question, I often find that performance and listening > are two completely, often unrelated, experiences for me. > > Kevin > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Michael Peters wrote: >> here's a 45 minute recording of an improvised livelooping set that I did >> last Saturday. What was most interesting to me about it was that I had some >> plans what to do on the evening, but for various reasons (difficult and loud >> venue, etc), it went completely elsewhere, and I found myself following >> short term impulses for the complete set, not really knowing what I was >> doing. >> >> I was completely convinced afterwards that the set had been a complete >> failure, even when people told me they quite liked it. Then two days later I >> listened through the recording and found that the rapid succession of style >> changes was quite interesting. >> >> http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen >> >> Does it happen to you too that your own immediate assessment of your live >> music is very different to what you feel about it later? >> >> -Michael >> >> > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 16:50:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0CA18345C; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aMOR/y/ggJsuOMQCncgMZQBs8PDhPpfoYkgGjtr5PBI=; b=KujwRtw050wSYCdSaVnLJ9bN8qmFAlss/VzuI45vFVLjGqbb90k6ievh7R1PTIAvs3 jLWjQKbB1EnZaysAGf7z0cBsu3N7zrwUjIpNp2OJybd//1lrM1BLMUQQSKChLiSCStik 0DUUfK8nMJIbK9VuSZj89DlwTkHlgSytm5/9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver>

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:50:16 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the compliment, but its not me playing (alas); it's Michael Peters' work. Kevin On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Daniel Thomas wrote= : > Great music, Kevin! =A0I enjoyed this very much. >> Does it happen to you too that your own immediate assessment of your liv= e >> music is very different to what you feel about it later? > > An amazing mentor once told me-- what it feels like to the performer may = have little to do with what it sounds like for the listener. > > The same person also told me-- practice the craft =A0-- =A0and the craft = will shine even when you are not feeling it. > > D > On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > >> This is sounding really nice to me as well. =A0Wish I could mix my loops >> up as well as you seem to be able. >> >> As for your last question, I often find that performance and listening >> are two completely, often unrelated, experiences for me. >> >> Kevin >> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Michael Peters wrote: >>> here's a 45 minute recording of an improvised livelooping set that I di= d >>> last Saturday. What was most interesting to me about it was that I had = some >>> plans what to do on the evening, but for various reasons (difficult and= loud >>> venue, etc), it went completely elsewhere, and I found myself following >>> short term impulses for the complete set, not really knowing what I was >>> doing. >>> >>> I was completely convinced afterwards that the set had been a complete >>> failure, even when people told me they quite liked it. Then two days la= ter I >>> listened through the recording and found that the rapid succession of s= tyle >>> changes was quite interesting. >>> >>> http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen >>> >>> Does it happen to you too that your own immediate assessment of your li= ve >>> music is very different to what you feel about it later? >>> >>> -Michael >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 17:01:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF39F18345C; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-12-01_05:2011-12-01,2011-12-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1112010161 Subject: Re: Vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:01:28 -0800 Message-id: <892B232D-3193-42FB-AAA7-3CFD4FD28328@mac.com> References: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver>

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:01:46 +0000 (UTC) LOL Nice playing Michael. d On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Thanks for the compliment, but its not me playing (alas); it's Michael > Peters' work. > > Kevin > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Daniel Thomas wrote: >> Great music, Kevin! I enjoyed this very much. >>> Does it happen to you too that your own immediate assessment of your live >>> music is very different to what you feel about it later? >> >> An amazing mentor once told me-- what it feels like to the performer may have little to do with what it sounds like for the listener. >> >> The same person also told me-- practice the craft -- and the craft will shine even when you are not feeling it. >> >> D >> On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> >>> This is sounding really nice to me as well. Wish I could mix my loops >>> up as well as you seem to be able. >>> >>> As for your last question, I often find that performance and listening >>> are two completely, often unrelated, experiences for me. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Michael Peters wrote: >>>> here's a 45 minute recording of an improvised livelooping set that I did >>>> last Saturday. What was most interesting to me about it was that I had some >>>> plans what to do on the evening, but for various reasons (difficult and loud >>>> venue, etc), it went completely elsewhere, and I found myself following >>>> short term impulses for the complete set, not really knowing what I was >>>> doing. >>>> >>>> I was completely convinced afterwards that the set had been a complete >>>> failure, even when people told me they quite liked it. Then two days later I >>>> listened through the recording and found that the rapid succession of style >>>> changes was quite interesting. >>>> >>>> http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen >>>> >>>> Does it happen to you too that your own immediate assessment of your live >>>> music is very different to what you feel about it later? >>>> >>>> -Michael >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. >>> >>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>> >>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>> >> > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 17:12:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94B2C183462; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zrlvDGV3NFddLlpugwa50bMFsM3J0jq5Ixktfgyxt0c=; b=L24y4RyKuHimQ8uCKBTutjtmGnhTsV3BZz51/iNEXXs6hqhcXf/+k3n1dah/euJL7p xU0GrJIQkzxR1LjZ+fqT9Z1NMX22l+Wxdr4zveWSaymrIalpFMCh/3ARj3LpaPt1KteC RIHEvxDhd17REE11cgrfOqx0pwqRH1T5OSDXc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver>

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:12:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:12:39 +0000 (UTC) 2011/12/1, Daniel Thomas : > The same person also told me-- practice the craft -- and the craft will > shine even when you are not feeling it. very true. wisdom words. good teacher. as for michael, i commented on FB about this piece before. there's always that element of surprise in his music.. i can't advance what will happen next... no boredom possible ... love it! .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 18:09:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D811D18345D; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. In-Reply-To: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE7E6B6D0EFDE6_FF8_43ED1_webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34945-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE7E6B6CF4CE6E-FF8-1BDB1@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.58.225] Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:08:56 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1322762936; bh=NfVDY6ymvgZO9o24tp3/TWwuu0fN+xcjAj2JaerR6vM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QzuClCTP+YD2EKodQqeSKHxHWkJwcH+B89XB8LBQqXXEM6O2H9J1dhnJv03C5NbZh 3lJVnV/91NOO6q0HCatO8OKuufwVsp1QMgr+MdT9IHTjuI+XbO3S8fEr4wGpImsyjN dSbe3x9HaKmPpdYBPwcV2MewynGW04gdiY6FFTKI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:362115776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4ed7c2b820bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:09:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE7E6B6D0EFDE6_FF8_43ED1_webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" mark.....i have the same problem and can not figure out a workaround..... i have mine placed last in my signal chain right now so i stay away from th= e built in sounds..... luv it anyway!.....michael =20 ----------MB_8CE7E6B6D0EFDE6_FF8_43ED1_webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" mark.....i have the same problem an= d can not figure out a workaround.....

i have mine placed last in= my signal chain right now so i stay away from the built in sounds.....

luv it anyway!.....michael=

----------MB_8CE7E6B6D0EFDE6_FF8_43ED1_webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 18:40:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11F5E183462; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=zvVwy9SRQlyXgxSbHag6MVGy++UMNk+JnxJNnPChxjI=; b=BK5kYCfdiolaHVrxyGPXRlscsoNGt1FcsVByh0c7XunMbZ4zNTqW4b+xf0vUDDkMqF FVJglKu28FyORGPJlUPirpI1BlNYisL/g0Mr6eELe1ZVA+kVvfgF2Oqo1HCBxRZMjMko ehSy5cyLD1Vj2Wx+SkMf3dBLmC5wRnZUTq6RY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <8CE7E6B6CF4CE6E-FF8-1BDB1@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com> References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid> <8CE7E6B6CF4CE6E-FF8-1BDB1@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:40:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: IY8yi7pOy7rTPpmNjsKaeG5NOQo Message-ID: Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b13e65c4f2104b30c30d1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:40:39 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305b13e65c4f2104b30c30d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I love mine too... I only wish that they were THINNER! cos I love the Air Synth too, and if they were thinner I could fit both the AirFX/Synth and kaos quad, in the same rack drawer... the volume thing isnt too much of an issue, cos Im not often using the sounds, and if I am.. am very tentative and carful, if you wave far enough away its ok... but I wish I knew the solution... Gaana check all the tings Bob suggested.. (oops.. went all rasta for a moment... ) M On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:08 PM, michael klobuchar wrote: > mark.....i have the same problem and can not figure out a workaround..... > > i have mine placed last in my signal chain right now so i stay away from > the built in sounds..... > > luv it anyway!.....michael > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf305b13e65c4f2104b30c30d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love mine too... I only wish that they were THINNER! cos I love the Air S= ynth too, and if they were thinner I could fit both the AirFX/Synth and kao= s quad, in the same rack drawer...

the volume thing isnt too much of= an issue, cos Im not often using the sounds, and if I am.. am very tentati= ve and carful, if you wave far enough away its ok... but I wish I knew the = solution...

Gaana check all the tings Bob suggested..=A0 (oops.. went all rasta=A0 = for a moment... )

M

On Thu, De= c 1, 2011 at 7:08 PM, michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

mark.....i have the same probl= em and can not figure out a workaround.....

i have mine placed last in my signal chain right now = so i stay away from the built in sounds.....

luv it anyway!.....michael

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--20cf305b13e65c4f2104b30c30d1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 19:33:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9D918345F; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 708115636/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.222/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.222 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAGXV105YbRDe/2dsb2JhbAAMOK1zAQEBAQIBOEAGCwshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIA7gEiAuDFQSaBoxj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,279,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="708115636" Message-ID: <4ED7D693.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:33:39 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid>

<9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:33:42 +0000 (UTC) RP Collier wrote: > The signal going in to the AirFx needs to be -10. If the EDP has a > switch to change output to -10 then that works. Otherwise you need > something to change the level to line level, like a DI or line level > shifter. Or the Output Level control on the EDP. Assuming that the issue here is that the AirFX runs at -10dB then all you have to do is reduce the level from the EDP 'till the Air FX behaves. ...but from your original post I'm not sure that solves the problem. Are you saying some patches are much louder than others? In any case "line Level" hasn't meant -10dB since they did away with using 5 pin din connectors (in the mid 70's ?). It's a mystery why some manufacturers use it today, probably connected to "cheap gear" :-( andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 19:52:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE2E818345D; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:52:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ne6aGVq/XOvsjOfz5Jx3oarxGKYeFDTzgkrUjYfSCHY=; b=xpkkIdigu9doiSS8GYgEQe1rt+Nu/JVp9IR4llv/rUh5XfCD0yLIGFvrv2E2AnIraA xHOwfYYEOp+2dkjb5kfOVlJb1Mnk5z7+zb919idwxXKH3DmyF2skOlys/U/UiSPtOV5t SXH6TLodPOrUklUrWPLlH5h5Pq1iUpynWBKZw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver>

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:52:57 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_9mSrD.A.dhH.bs91OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:52:59 +0000 (UTC) Hey Michael, Care to explain your looping process on this piece? I really enjoyed it and found a lot that sounds very much like what I've wanted to accomplish in my looping (the rhythmic elements and transitions especially). Sorry to hear this wasn't satisfying to play, but its really nice to listen= to. Kevin On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrote= : > 2011/12/1, Daniel Thomas : > >> The same person also told me-- practice the craft =A0-- =A0and the craft= will >> shine even when you are not feeling it. > > very true. wisdom words. good teacher. > > as for michael, i commented on FB about this piece before. there's > always that element of surprise in his music.. i can't advance what > will happen next... no boredom possible ... love it! > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagin= ation, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 20:05:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75554183463; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 20:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=fjNMhmSF63ffg9j9Dl7UCfAobhXtvWGzmyR05pKZXxI=; b=WNdCMoTcCpJRMBIDcVqAJUt2SO/Z9ZfGW5dw0TFGvJ7aMPjqGW7LhqcMs8n9MrnNWX A9qoiFdMGHbuQ/VgI5Elie4PdTe/21Q2cxocgwtUp+FUt2fqIdgot7qtb2a8QynIUkHv FzkiD6mRP3aZ6Xwq8X6XG3Ivx+KdbgbjiHst4= Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4ED7D693.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-865367622 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:05:51 -0800 References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid>

<9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> <4ED7D693.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 20:05:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-865367622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec 1, 2011, at 11:33 AM, andy butler wrote: > In any case "line Level" hasn't meant -10dB since they did away > with using 5 pin din connectors (in the mid 70's ?). =46rom Wiki The most common nominal level for consumer audio equipment is =E2=88=9210 = =20 dBV, and the most common nominal level for professional equipment is 4 =20= dBu. and In most cases changing the volume setting on the source equipment does =20= not vary the strength of the line out signal. Not that Wiki knows it all. The impedance of output +4 db seems to overload the line in on some of =20= these consumer DJ devices. BobC= --Apple-Mail-3-865367622 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Dec 1, 2011, = at 11:33 AM, andy butler wrote:

In any case = "line Level" hasn't meant -10dB since they did away
with using 5 pin = din connectors (in the mid 70's = ?).

=46rom = Wiki

=E2=88=9210= dBV, and the most common nominal level for professional = equipment is

Not that Wiki knows it = all.

The impedance of = output +4 db seems to overload the line in on some of these consumer DJ = devices.

From http://www.ovnila= b.com/articles/linelevel.shtml

Generally speaking, if you send an instrument-level = signal into a device that needs line-level input, you will get excess = noise and/or weak sound. If you send a line-level signal into a device = that's meant for instrument or mic-level input, you will get distortion. = Since the effects loop on most amps is designed toboth send and = receive line-level signals, if you put a typical = instrument-level effect pedal in the loop you will often get noise, = weakness, and distortion. You may find a few exceptions = though: either an amp loop that can operate at instrument level, or a = pedal that can operate at line level.

-----

They say that line level signal is much stronger = than instrument level -- but I can run some line level devices off a = very thin stereo cable with 1/8 inch plugs whereas instrument level = needs a big thick cable with 1/4" jacks?

Not logical hence confusing.

BobC

= --Apple-Mail-4-865873508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 20:30:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 124F6183465; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 20:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 567819.66988.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: f01SVKsVM1n4wg8BPRQk5eMqonZy6L2UFBjXlfDmPcNyjO6 DiksBil_v5CfZs9QgINOZYqoLxXLGcSxV7yZX9xKyVUuRfKCsHVReXP9ngiH UtvPZtOAKtNudmIkjyDk726dmpa_dGi7jLQD_lru7ufayBL7PL8PpyEbxo8p .CO_qwWB7LhXUg_IR0ckNRUshEVJ2W.g.XD3aSnC4t9NPeDixBANQmIeDByb huOapcOMzXzeazT1byegoZYQXio.HvGW4r.HHK2ZO8q2YTv1.e1gR2qvfj0w 0myBF8h9Rs1qg7jJZMFxgzI8679rl3zT6OIQRDVhEE041Fw.B1T04UTME5Qc UZpCih1NHaSNoKlJWh0VCijq0T0rduC3XUWw0x.MFfe2WVogVFcHT0DsGF3J 2XZFr5F8wNyYfd.5Zgkg0d2uiEQQoVBXdC0cH5Q-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <463D1515-4244-4DDE-B19A-342E69A9D93E@carlsonarts.com> From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4ED74B7A.6060700@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:30:23 -0800 References: <4ED74B7A.6060700@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 20:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Hey, I've got a G2M that I'm using for voice-to-MIDI, and it works pretty well, especially when I use compression and set the ratio and attack just right. Again, the technique you use vocally makes a big difference. You have to make yourself sound like a guitar if you can! I seem to be getting slightly better results with the G2M than I did when I was experimenting with the Roland VP-70 and Fairlight Voicetracker VT-5 (which I still have on hand). There seem to be less "artifacts" with the G2M (i.e., less stray midi note signals generated from harmonics), and a lot less latency (which makes sense since computer technology has advanced so much since, er, the 1980s). Pitch-to-Midi seems to work best vocally when you sing higher frequencies, or even whistle. That way you aren't generating so many higher harmonics that whatever gear you are using might accidentally perceive as a pitch to follow. You can always have whatever MIDI instrument you are using transpose the MIDI data down an octave to generate lower pitches than what you are singing. And try starting each syllable/note out with a consonant that has pitch like M or N. "Noo noo noo" works pretty well. If the GR units work well for pitch-to- MIDI then maybe I should find someway to get a mic signal into just one of the six pickup lines, since I really only need it to track my voice. Has anyone tinkered with this? I also have an Pitchrider 7000 that I could rewire a pickup to try the same thing perhaps. I love this list! Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Dec 1, 2011, at 1:40 AM, andy butler wrote: > Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube >> (assuming they work with chords and harmonica). > > No pitch to midi converter will work with chords. > (in a guitar synth, there's a converter for each string) > >> Assuming it would work with harmonica and my vocalizations, it >> seems worth checking out. Any thoughts on the GR-20? I am most >> intrigued by the bass, organ, piano...I am confused by the pick-up >> part. > > The only way to find out is to try. > > The > > sonuus peterson g2m > > is cheap enough to give it a whirl. > > One problem is that pitch detectors rely on the attack of > the guitar to tell them a new note has started, so you probably > have to use a special playing technique to simulate that. > > Another thing is that the G2m will only be happy with pitch bends > of exactly a tone, or under. > > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 20:42:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 453C1183464; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 20:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=/wEK3Icr6nAsWpuM0ZxlzWcwhm4MOXfOfMbCOnivw/I=; b=DqzWc21BXCGhEGBxmV2Mf8ErhbRosCff0CI3q1HcugvGQZyGknAvxTv0rMjH1xSgie IypmhUiPLWsjKH2yGNpg0x4iDPpfSNsZEnvT6ns27gMcbdszbByCMnouthFMRenYqFw/ 0a0o+cqDr/Hy7ppTzvaI8QY3abPnndzecY6V0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <463D1515-4244-4DDE-B19A-342E69A9D93E@carlsonarts.com> References: <4ED74B7A.6060700@tiscali.co.uk> <463D1515-4244-4DDE-B19A-342E69A9D93E@carlsonarts.com> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:41:50 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340a5100039204b30de3ba Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 20:42:13 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340a5100039204b30de3ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmmm...still trying to wrap my brain around synths, but the articulation I use with harmonica works really well with the modulation and filter effect on my Line 6 M13. I've tried them with vocals and they work well too. I need to Google the gear you listed. If I could use synths to create more keyboard-like lines, I could lineup a lot of work with bands, lol. Same with horns... I already copy those styles, but the timbre is obviously all wrong. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:30 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Hey, I've got a G2M that I'm using for voice-to-MIDI, and it works pretty > well, especially when I use compression and set the ratio and attack just > right. Again, the technique you use vocally makes a big difference. You > have to make yourself sound like a guitar if you can! I seem to be getting > slightly better results with the G2M than I did when I was experimenting > with the Roland VP-70 and Fairlight Voicetracker VT-5 (which I still have > on hand). There seem to be less "artifacts" with the G2M (i.e., less stray > midi note signals generated from harmonics), and a lot less latency (which > makes sense since computer technology has advanced so much since, er, the > 1980s). > > Pitch-to-Midi seems to work best vocally when you sing higher frequencies, > or even whistle. That way you aren't generating so many higher harmonics > that whatever gear you are using might accidentally perceive as a pitch to > follow. You can always have whatever MIDI instrument you are using > transpose the MIDI data down an octave to generate lower pitches than what > you are singing. And try starting each syllable/note out with a consonant > that has pitch like M or N. "Noo noo noo" works pretty well. > > If the GR units work well for pitch-to- MIDI then maybe I should find > someway to get a mic signal into just one of the six pickup lines, since I > really only need it to track my voice. Has anyone tinkered with this? I > also have an Pitchrider 7000 that I could rewire a pickup to try the same > thing perhaps. > > I love this list! > > Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) > > > On Dec 1, 2011, at 1:40 AM, andy butler wrote: > > Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> >> Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube (assuming >>> they work with chords and harmonica). >>> >> >> No pitch to midi converter will work with chords. >> (in a guitar synth, there's a converter for each string) >> >> Assuming it would work with harmonica and my vocalizations, it seems >>> worth checking out. Any thoughts on the GR-20? I am most intrigued by the >>> bass, organ, piano...I am confused by the pick-up part. >>> >> >> The only way to find out is to try. >> >> The >> >> sonuus peterson g2m >> >> is cheap enough to give it a whirl. >> >> One problem is that pitch detectors rely on the attack of >> the guitar to tell them a new note has started, so you probably >> have to use a special playing technique to simulate that. >> >> Another thing is that the G2m will only be happy with pitch bends >> of exactly a tone, or under. >> >> >> andy butler >> >> >> > --14dae9340a5100039204b30de3ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm...still trying to wrap my brain around synths, but the articulation I = use with harmonica works really well with the modulation and filter effect = on my Line 6 M13.=A0 I've tried them with vocals and they work well too= .=A0 I need to Google the gear you listed.=A0 If I could use synths to crea= te more keyboard-like lines, I could lineup a lot of work with bands, lol.= =A0 Same with horns...

I already copy those styles, but the timbre is obviously all wrong.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:30 PM, TripleOh= Nine <3x09@car= lsonarts.com> wrote:

Hey, I've got a G2M that I'm using for voice-to-MIDI, and it works = pretty well, especially when I use compression and set the ratio and attack= just right. =A0Again, the technique you use vocally makes a big difference= . =A0You have to make yourself sound like a guitar if you can! =A0I seem to= be getting slightly better results with the G2M than I did when I was expe= rimenting with the Roland VP-70 and Fairlight Voicetracker VT-5 (which I st= ill have on hand). =A0There seem to be less "artifacts" with the = G2M (i.e., less stray midi note signals generated from harmonics), and a lo= t less latency (which makes sense since computer technology has advanced so= much since, er, the 1980s).

Pitch-to-Midi seems to work best vocally when you sing higher frequencies, = or even whistle. That way you aren't generating so many higher harmonic= s that whatever gear you are using might accidentally perceive as a pitch t= o follow. =A0You can always have whatever MIDI instrument you are using tra= nspose the MIDI data down an octave to generate lower pitches than what you= are singing. =A0And try starting each syllable/note out with a consonant t= hat has pitch like M or N. =A0"Noo noo noo" works pretty well.
If the GR units work well for pitch-to- MIDI then maybe I should find somew= ay to get a mic signal into just one of the six pickup lines, since I reall= y only need it to track my voice. =A0Has anyone tinkered with this? =A0I al= so have an Pitchrider 7000 that I could rewire a pickup to try the same thi= ng perhaps.

I love this list!

Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine)

On Dec 1, 2011, at 1:40 AM, andy butler wrote:

Mike Fugazzi wrote:

Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube (assumin= g they work with chords and harmonica).

No pitch to midi converter will work with chords.
(in a guitar synth, there's a converter for each string)

Assuming it would work with harmonica and my vocalizations, it seems worth = checking out. =A0Any thoughts on the GR-20? =A0I am most intrigued by the b= ass, organ, piano...I am confused by the pick-up part.

The only way to find out is to try.

The

sonuus peterson g2m

is cheap enough to give it a whirl.

One problem is that pitch detectors rely on the attack of
the guitar to tell them a new note has started, so you probably
have to use a special playing technique to simulate that.

Another thing is that the G2m will only be happy with pitch bends
of exactly a tone, or under.

andy butler

--14dae9340a5100039204b30de3ba-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 21:35:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ED52183464; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 21:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rT8EaUbfWigHgc9hTPNnyVEfX26gAKSjTkr65MmQLLU=; b=fE1TmtpEhNappyB0dMnVMWv4EjEqYAXiDkdiUY9lwteRr4HxCFLfCLwgftwVrVSiTl 52HgfTTg6xRdeSBX5s7MURMnJ4SL6znIq9j7r28stuCFijAvWvxuLFbJIeL1axUcUgSK EXuT3Ld87mFD/iGYHAICEITmR6tzjshLe9yrk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <51F38DEE-4144-412F-8018-23EB7F99B028@gmail.com> References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid>

<9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> <4ED7D693.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> <51F38DEE-4144-412F-8018-23EB7F99B028@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:35:03 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. From: The Wandering Madman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6c8e10badd04b30ea072 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 21:35:03 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303f6c8e10badd04b30ea072 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:14 PM, RP Collier wrote: > From http://www.ovnilab.com/articles/linelevel.shtml > > Generally speaking, if you send an instrument-level signal into a device > that needs line-level input, you will get excess noise and/or weak sound. > If you send a line-level signal into a device that's meant for instrument > or mic-level input, you will get distortion. Since the effects loop on most > amps is designed to*both send and receive* line-level signals, if you put > a typical instrument-level effect pedal in the loop you will often get > noise, weakness, *and* distortion. You may find a few exceptions though: > either an amp loop that can operate at instrument level, or a pedal that > can operate at line level. > ----- > > They say that line level signal is much stronger than instrument level -- > but I can run some line level devices off a very thin stereo cable with 1/8 > inch plugs whereas instrument level needs a big thick cable with 1/4" jacks? > Not logical hence confusing. > > BobC > -- The Wandering Madman --20cf303f6c8e10badd04b30ea072 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:14 PM, RP Co= llier <skept= ikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

From=A0http://www.ovnilab.com/articl= es/linelevel.shtml

Generally speaking, if you send an instrument= -level signal into a device that needs line-level input, you will get exces= s noise and/or weak sound. If you send a line-level signal into a device th= at's meant for instrument or mic-level input, you will get distortion. = Since the effects loop on most amps is designed toboth send and receive<= /i>=A0line-level signals, if you put a typical instrument-level effect peda= l in the loop you will often get noise, weakness,=A0and=A0distortion= . You may find a few exceptions though: either an amp loop that can operate= at instrument level, or a pedal that can operate at line level.
-----<= /span>

They say that line level signal is much stronger than inst= rument level -- but I can run some line level devices off a very thin stere= o cable with 1/8 inch plugs whereas instrument level needs a big thick cabl= e with 1/4" jacks?

Not lo= gical hence confusing.

BobC

-= -

The= Wandering Madman
--20cf303f6c8e10badd04b30ea072-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 22:13:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5034D183463; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 708165791/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.103/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.103 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAOX6105YbRhn/2dsb2JhbAAMN4UEqHMBAQEBAgEjDwEFQBELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIA6Y2kWuBMIZbgX+BFgSaBoxj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,280,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="708165791" Message-ID: <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:13:08 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid> <9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> <4ED7D693.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:13:09 +0000 (UTC) RP Collier wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2011, at 11:33 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> In any case "line Level" hasn't meant -10dB since they did away >> with using 5 pin din connectors (in the mid 70's ?). > > From Wiki > > The most common nominal level for consumer audio equipment is −10 dBV, > and the most common nominal level for professional equipment is 4 dBu. however, if you check the level actually put out by, say, any cd player it's quite a bit louder than -10dB That's why, for instance, my M-Audio Sound Interface has 3 input/output level settings -10dB, Consumer, +4dB ..with consumer being the kind of level that usually goes down phonos. The -10dB really was a standard (nominal level) when we had those 5 pin dins....remember them? I do. ..and then phonos were introduced...and they really did carry a higher level. I even had a with both 5 pin din (-10dB) sockets and the newer phono inputs, and the phonos were less sensitive. So I can guarantee you that I'm not bullshitting you... ...I actually *measure* this stuff. Maybe there's a kind of volume wars going on for cd players, trying to sound impressive, but the concept of "nominal" has at least been stretched by consumer gear. > > and > > In most cases changing the volume setting on the source equipment does > not vary the strength of the line out signal. "Volume Out" on the EDP does exactly that. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 22:36:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08B6F183460; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=v+Mju8fxdVgfBHzwqtyOezSqllLXyObTe5/7+OLlxK0=; b=bT1BABGSZBXniQ6KxIXo/Gbq5q5IB3/XHlwJ7Czziy/p7FBRucwp5QJ9oJ6yCAmJRU 4+D9C2cv0ekIA96sTPuDbmWwPk2c4cULXQkuUxn8ZVm2VnFT/NW8qfKdDwTdmDTJvQ54 AhjQx8cM2Rl/kjlFJ7NIYS2Zu6EcC8mDB15hk= Message-Id: <16ACB44F-453F-426D-9FA7-E9BA6363AF24@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-874385500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:36:09 -0800 References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid> <9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> <4ED7D693.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:36:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-874385500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 1, 2011, at 2:13 PM, andy butler wrote: > So I can guarantee you that I'm not bullshitting you... > ...I actually *measure* this stuff. Never said you were and never would have thunk it. I can't even follow the simple math on electrical stuff. All I know is that, having several of these line or phono input devices, many react as if +4dbu is too much signal even though it is actually less signal than -10db. And then there are those devices that react as if it is not enough signal, such as the Kaoss Pad which seem to attenuate the audio. Not even the courtesy of consistency. :-) BobC --Apple-Mail-5-874385500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Dec 1, 2011, = at 2:13 PM, andy butler wrote:

So I can = guarantee you that I'm not bullshitting you...
...I actually = *measure* this stuff.

Never said you = were and never would have thunk it.

I can't = even follow the simple math on electrical stuff. All I know is that, = having several of these line or phono input devices, many react as = if +4dbu is too much signal even though it is actually less signal = than -10db.

And then there are those devices = that react as if it is not enough signal, such as the Kaoss Pad which = seem to attenuate the audio.

Not even the = courtesy of = consistency.
:-)

BobC= --Apple-Mail-5-874385500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 22:43:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 883E8183460; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED80328.3030902@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:43:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: airFX level mismatch. References: <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050504000003070603070003" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:43:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050504000003070603070003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > So I can guarantee you that I'm not bullshitting you... > ...I actually *measure* this stuff. I just want to add weight to what Andy says. More than anyone I've met in the audio industry (and I know a lot of people), Andy really does his homework and really knows his shit. He keeps conjecture out of his discussions unless he's talking philosophy. --------------050504000003070603070003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote:

So I can guarantee you that I'm not bullshitting you...
...I actually *measure* this stuff.

I just want to add weight to what Andy says.

More than anyone I've met in the audio industry (and I know a lot of people), Andy really does his homework
and really knows his shit. He keeps conjecture out of his discussions unless he's talking philosophy.
--------------050504000003070603070003-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 00:35:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9276A18345F; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 00:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=1p5pGiUPKUlabaQq7NMGLV7eOMSvuutf9IayrH2vNtc=; b=Xy+Tzzm/wCJRwYGeVxqkUorQz3e+UsM21skGfAdZsFyl6RH/31JOHwiTOlRsC73xyq TinN7NgezPpL3dp1jgh5ujMYm9BRJfYqQPDekXSZuYych7MwLwWKobQYTp7wK8gCmZZs amI7B/7uosWDDnh+MwtAZX9A8ZZCsuBVAyyH8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4ED80328.3030902@cruzio.com> References: <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED80328.3030902@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 01:34:50 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: xI-sPVmiDM2M96dOqloI2ko5xOw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: airFX level mismatch. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3040eaca4a523904b311241b Resent-Message-ID: <6XyI3B.A.25D.A1B2OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 00:35:12 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3040eaca4a523904b311241b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK OK.. but Andy.. Maybe you missed the point of the post. To recap, The AirFX is primarily a processing unit, that I use to process one EDP. However it also has a few sound patches.. vinyl crackle being one (the one incidentely that started this discussion) a terrible theramin, a couple of great, but impractical drum sounds and a bit of noise.. However these patches, are EXTREMELY LOUD, in respect to the sound of the EDP that is coming thru it, clean or processed. The EDP output level is FULL UP, the mixer it goes into is set to -10.. Basically the EDP needs to be lots louder any fix? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf3040eaca4a523904b311241b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK OK..
but Andy.. Maybe you missed the point of the post. To recap, The= AirFX is primarily a processing unit, that I use to process one EDP. Howev= er it also has a few sound patches.. vinyl crackle being one (the one incid= entely that started this discussion) a terrible theramin, a couple of great= , but impractical drum sounds and a bit of noise.. However these patches, a= re EXTREMELY LOUD, in respect to the sound of the EDP that is coming thru i= t, clean or processed.

The EDP output level is FULL UP, the mixer it goes into is set to -10..=

Basically the EDP needs to be lots louder

any fix?

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--20cf3040eaca4a523904b311241b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 00:55:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95443183462; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 00:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=l3yGNc4SrjIzB49rTF8mncYNW8erMU2umaD6gKQzRV8=; b=i5LP8asPCGzWvIbwkqSq1MPA4TOlpXHsZvA0FC+mHONloZBlksW16+FcB7PFuHnvtc XaAO47yNw68DHzM+KeKemV6/pi4vczggRiP/2HUi94AJR/0KRi06/ebKbdr6Ix9yF+Oe pUsUGAj68GMqONpgbIAaVg7bn4pwuDTf1V5mU= Message-Id: <36725E2C-629E-49EE-AB88-9E4BC15E9357@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-882713669 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:54:57 -0800 References: <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED80328.3030902@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 00:55:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-882713669 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 1, 2011, at 4:34 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Basically the EDP needs to be lots louder Maybe try putting a preamp (-10db) after the EDP and before the AirFx. BobC --Apple-Mail-6-882713669 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Dec 1, 2011, = at 4:34 PM, mark francombe wrote:

Basically the = EDP needs to be lots = louder

Maybe try = putting a preamp (-10db) after the EDP and before the = AirFx.

BobC

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 07:30:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A35D918345F; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: Vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:30:42 +0100 Message-ID: <8045AA3FE20047158056A2150B97F59E@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acywv/heklXXKeTaSQiu9vcF/gRuOwAAH6Sw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:30:47 +0000 (UTC) hi Kevin, > Care to explain your looping process on this piece? I really enjoyed > it and found a lot that sounds very much like what I've wanted to > accomplish in my looping (the rhythmic elements and transitions > especially). I use Bidule on a Windows laptop. The looping is done with 3 instances of Matthias Grob's Echoloop plugin (which is mostly identical to the EDP). I usually set a loop (say, 5 seconds) on the first Echoloop and feed it with stuff. This loop sets the master time for all other plugins. The second Echoloop is synced to the first but with a different length - here I've set it to a 6:8 ratio which will give you synced overlaps, and you can do minimalist polyrhythms. There are more plugins synced to the 1st Echoloop, like the fabulous Catchdad sequencer (you can hear it plinking and plonking away during the first minutes) that takes your audio and makes rhythms from it; or the equally fabulous Illformed dblue-glitch plugin. The 3rd Echoloop is also synced to the 1st but it is set to a much longer time, I usually feed it with rhythms (from some drum machine plugin (synced to the 1st loop) or my wavedrum) and/or with bass lines and/or with soundscapes. Instead of 3 instances of the Echoloop, I guess you can also use Moebius which lets you run several synced loops in polyrhythms, but I never used it and can't say anything about it. When I ditched my heavy rack containing 2 EDPs, I felt it was a soft transition to the software EDPs, and I got used to using them. I also like to wire the 3 loopers into different positions in my bidule setup. For instance, the long 3rd loop (containing some rhythms/dub bass at 17:00) can be fed back into Catchdad and the Glitch plugin, whereas the first 2 loops go straight towards the output. About the transitions in the piece, I really don't know how I do them :) You'd have to ask for a specific position in this piece, maybe I can tell then. But I use a Nanokey a lot to control plugin settings and fade things in and out. Hope this helps, please ask if there are more questions. -Michael veloopity.bandcamp.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 09:10:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A0F1183452; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hMovzuCad21rrl4ZrXe28GaF9Xcty7R3XL2l2OckMXM=; b=TEmsApsjHRTHuvQiFzMMLhr96wEISgyEIfR5rOz9AxKH4q7ZGzQn99Ra4FAGxlAwFk kvfP6cUg06C1TEvotKY2PbxBkLyUkr5JSPnpcO++jy1Smf+NNbYEmdw7Jw4lL25uRJds 0aUX/HAecY0IrmCbUX7aNyTTyo4IemXRRuad4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver> References: <669CCC536CF34AAF821179A0D206ABDF@mpeserver> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:10:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen From: Johannes Korn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636416d5f7b861504b318554f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:10:04 +0000 (UTC) --001636416d5f7b861504b318554f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Michael, that is beautiful! I just listened to it twice in a row. Thank you! Johannes 2011/12/1 Michael Peters > ** > > here's a 45 minute recording of an improvised livelooping set that I did > last Saturday. What was most interesting to me about it was that I had some > plans what to do on the evening, but for various reasons (difficult and > loud venue, etc), it went completely elsewhere, and I found myself > following short term impulses for the complete set, not really knowing what > I was doing. > > I was completely convinced afterwards that the set had been a complete > failure, even when people told me they quite liked it. Then two days later > I listened through the recording and found that the rapid succession of > style changes was quite interesting. > > http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen > > Does it happen to you too that your own immediate assessment of your live > music is very different to what you feel about it later? > > -Michael > > > -- jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com www.myspace.com/nashorn --001636416d5f7b861504b318554f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael,

that is beautiful! I just listened to it twi= ce in a row. Thank you!

Johannes

2011/12/1 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>

here's a 45 minute recording of an i= mprovised=20 livelooping set that I did last Saturday. What was most interesting to me a= bout=20 it was that I had some plans what to do on the evening,=A0but for various= =20 reasons (difficult and loud venue, etc), it went completely elsewhere, and = I=20 found myself following short term impulses for the complete set, not really= =20 knowing what I was doing.

I was completely convinced afterwards th= at the set=20 had been a complete failure, even when people told me they quite liked it. = Then=20 two days later I listened through the recording and found that the rapid=20 succession of style changes was quite interesting.

http://veloopity= .bandcamp.com/album/vorstadtprinzessinnenklangwellen

Does it happen to you too that your own = immediate=20 assessment of your live music is very different to what you feel about it= =20 later?

-Michael

=A0

jenko.nashorn@go= oglemail.com

www.myspa= ce.com/nashorn

--001636416d5f7b861504b318554f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 09:54:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5321183454; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 698214372/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.48/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.48 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAFyf2E5YbRgw/2dsb2JhbAAMN64CAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgDt2WIDIMVBJoKjGQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,282,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="698214372" Message-ID: <4ED8A04A.2090805@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:54:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid>

<9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> <4ED7D693.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> <16ACB44F-453F-426D-9FA7-E9BA6363AF24@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16ACB44F-453F-426D-9FA7-E9BA6363AF24@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:54:19 +0000 (UTC) RP Collier wrote: > > I can't even follow the simple math on electrical stuff. All I know is > that, having several of these line or phono input devices, many react > as if +4dbu is too much signal even though it is actually less signal > than -10db. +4dB is actually quite a lot more than -10dB. ( or is that just a typo?) Anyway, best way to 'get it' is to have a play with one of those mixer faders that have the dB scale marked. (at least in terms of 'how much louder is 3 more dB'). > > And then there are those devices that react as if it is not enough > signal, such as the Kaoss Pad which seem to attenuate the audio. > > Not even the courtesy of consistency. > :-) here I fully agree with you, manufacturers often don't understand the spec. one example, the Zoom H2 clips at spot on -10dB. ("nominal" means that there should be several dB headroom above the spec) When it comes down to it, you can't beat "turning it up till it just distorts, then turning it down till it's clean". ...which is what we all do regardless of the math andy > BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 12:01:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97C2C18345C; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=BKFTQNpmzmd2+mstxlHeqGopzfoj63hYRr8tC6Id1Hg=; b=IS/90JiDu54tQmVddWjmOAFrlFlPtg7JTZaYrnN/E010zqiFo+8ZG7PLBI+CSoOkSo KDZxW1lC9WWWgHKD7MrKkM+1S7htDcNrxbmyUy/HAEAkEsUKrgatO4ai++NuX/gGKUKw TQdjZcdk/4hS2DtiDfo8Pxbse0KNpFXX1MhB8= Message-Id: <83EC6258-EF7D-491A-81E8-06C2E89FD66E@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4ED8A04A.2090805@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-922713401 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 04:01:36 -0800 References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid>

<9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> <4ED7D693.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> <16ACB44F-453F-426D-9FA7-E9BA6363AF24@gmail.com> <4ED8A04A.2090805@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:01:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-922713401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:54 AM, andy butler wrote: > +4dB is actually quite a lot more than -10dB. > ( or is that just a typo?) I was referencing this: >>In simplified terms, line level is a very strong output signal, typically found coming from microphone preamps, mixers, effects-loop "sends", and the "line out" of an amp. Also this is the level needed to properly drive a power amp, and to get low-noise results when using some recording devices and processors. This is in contrast to "instrument level" which is the level that typically comes direct from a guitar, and "mic level" which is the typical output of a microphone, both of which are much lower than line level. << Don't mind me, multitasking and wasn't paying enough attention at the moment. :-) BobC --Apple-Mail-1-922713401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Dec 2, 2011, = at 1:54 AM, andy butler wrote:

+4dB is = actually quite a lot more than -10dB.
( or is that just a = typo?)

I was = referencing this:

much lower than line = level.

Don't mind me, = multitasking and wasn't paying enough attention at the = moment.

:-)

BobC

= --Apple-Mail-1-922713401-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 13:35:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F50818345D; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 704951810/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.48/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.48 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAOHT2E5YbRgw/2dsb2JhbAAMOK4CAQEBAwE4RgsLISUPAkYcAYgDt0yIDIMVBJoKjGQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,283,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="704951810" Message-ID: <4ED8D432.50508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:35:46 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. References: <-8599051391477788304@unknownmsgid>

<9163413B-787F-46B2-9A92-1CCDB9BEA939@gmail.com> <4ED7D693.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED7FBF4.9010204@tiscali.co.uk> <16ACB44F-453F-426D-9FA7-E9BA6363AF24@gmail.com> <4ED8A04A.2090805@tiscali.co.uk> <83EC6258-EF7D-491A-81E8-06C2E89FD66E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <83EC6258-EF7D-491A-81E8-06C2E89FD66E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:35:48 +0000 (UTC) RP Collier wrote: > I was referencing this: >> >In simplified terms, line level is a very strong output signal, > typically found coming from microphone preamps, mixers, effects-loop > "sends", and the "line out" of an amp. Also this is the level needed to > properly drive a power amp, and to get low-noise results when using some > recording devices and processors. This is in contrast to "instrument > level" which is the level that typically comes direct from a guitar, and > "mic level" which is the typical output of a microphone, both of which > are _much lower_ than line level. That's more or less right, but a bit misleading: The "instrument level" isn't really about level, it's about impedance. Hence, 2 interesting consequences. 1 You plug a mic into a mic level pre-amp, and an instrument into an "instrument input", but wouldn't expect good results doing it vice versa. 2 Almost any stomp box can be used to DI your guitar into a line level input, (as long as you don't have it in true bypass). As long as it's not a particularly quiet guitar it'll work, and may may even work well. It doesn't change the level necessarily, but it matches the impedance. Not first choice for DI, but certainly useable. (Matthias Grob put me on to this useful trick) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 05:28:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63F0718345C; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 05:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED9B37B.6050003@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 00:28:27 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #765 for December 1, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 05:28:41 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/111201.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #765 December 1, 2011. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=7968 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Impressions" on Poundsounds. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Steve Roach Disk Two Track 6 Journey of One (Projekt) Mystified The Shock of Coming Coming Days (Mystified Music) Days Robert Rich Pollen Medicine Box (Soundscape) Dave Luxton Long Delay Echo Music from the Firmament (Wayfarer) Sam Rosenthal Rae The Passage (Projekt) Modulator ESP Event Horizon * Event Horizon (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Dan Pound First Impression Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Photograph Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Beneath Stars Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Flowing Current Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Moment's Memory Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound With You In Time Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Dreaming Place Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Twilight Impression Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Through the Clouds Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Passage Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Midnight Impression Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Spaces Between Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Motion of the Stars Impressions (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Last Impression Impressions (Poundsounds) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Esoterica" on Poundsounds. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 13:28:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8D09183460; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EDA23C8.7030300@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:27:36 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Top 20 Report for November, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <45Lzv.A.oIG.vPi2OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:28:15 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/top20-11nov.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for November, 2011. Shows #761 to #764; 3-November-2011 to 24-November-2011 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Facebook: http://facebook.com/galactictravels The Special Focus for November was Synth.nl. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#nov ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ======================================================================== Darshan Ambient - Dream In Blue - Lotuspike Dave Luxton - Dreams Ghosts and Parallel Universes - Wayfarer Dave Luxton - Portal - Wayfarer Jonn Serrie - Sunday Morning Peace - Valley Entertainment Justin Vanderberg - Synthetic Memories - Spotted Peccary Kathy Raimey - Still Moving - Spiral Soundcase Keith Berry - The That Was Sold To a Fish - Infraction Krusseldorf - From Soil to Space - Aleph Zero Modulator ESP - Dark Places - none Patrick Geren - Orange Skies - Quark Polaris and Krzysztof Horn - Collision - Ricochet Dream Remy - The Great Church Trilogy - Deserted Island Music Robert Rich - Medicine Box - Soundscape Prod Steve Roach - Journey of One - Projekt Steve Roach - Quiet Music - Projekt Synth.nl - AeroDynamics - Groove Synth.nl - Apollo - Groove Synth.nl - AtmoSphere - Groove Synth.nl - OceanoGraphy - Groove Twyndyllyngs - Event Horizon - electro-music media Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 14:59:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEE7B18345B; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EDA3966.5050203@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:59:50 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Twyndyllyngs on Star's End Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:59:54 +0000 (UTC) TWYNDYLLYNGS: http://myspace.com/twyndyllyngs ======================================================================= Twyndyllyngs is the second longest word in the English language that has no vowels. It is also the duo of Howard Moscovitz and Bill Fox who play experimental electronic music. After our usual Chez Mosc broadcast on http://radio.electro-music.com at 6 pm EST/GMT-5, we will pack up our gear and mosey to Philadelphia to perform a live set on WXPN's Star's End, hosted by Chuck Van Zyl. This will be the 2011-12-04 broadcast of STAR'S END. We are scheduled to play at 2 am EST/GMT-5 for an hour. Star's End: http://starsend.org You can listen to WXPN 88.5 FM in Philadelphia and on-line at http://xpn.org as well as 104.9 FM in Allentown! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 16:24:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7378218345B; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=WMF4b1nc6aLkk7gfkL2lAwLtz1AY1W7qArvx3lO7KyQ=; b=GH5TnPfcu78jjtwoMO4tAWb31gtAtFNzwNDhQ3CYShuoMGuOD0JeYEmFU16nwlR2Z4 9LLiIxTfmy6ITbJj64ymkxJnfqSKOYkgMhi22AH3yPe3SvR+Fd5Znvm/E7sDWyWrLiYv DovS56jPC00UfVVw9fnR9ImZxrAw3qgTMtTOk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:24:02 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a8E9_fru6xIiC1Qn3k9njzyNZ-E Message-ID: Subject: This weekend! From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040fa1c682ec5f04b3328391 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:24:04 +0000 (UTC) --f46d040fa1c682ec5f04b3328391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Salutations Kin, For those of y'all in New England I'll be performing at... Karma in Northampton, MA tonight at 8p: https://www.facebook.com/events/280783898628272/ Furey's Cafe in Lowell, MA tomorrow night at 7:30p https://www.facebook.com/events/162733697158662/ Come out for looptastic sonic love hugs! love Daniel www.iamdanielharris.com --f46d040fa1c682ec5f04b3328391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Salutations Kin,

For those of y'all in New England I'll be p= erforming at...

Karma in Northampton, MA ton= ight at 8p: ht= tps://www.facebook.com/events/280783898628272/

Furey's Cafe in Lowell, MA tomorrow night a= t 7:30p https:= //www.facebook.com/events/162733697158662/

Come out for looptast= ic sonic love hugs!

love
Daniel

www.iamdanielharris.com
--f46d040fa1c682ec5f04b3328391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 16:49:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEFDB18345C; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3f7ca9cf-6de2-40e1-bade-e68bce607665_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: New experiment, live looping/sampling (guitar) play back with rate (speed) set to Just intonation intervals Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:49:25 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2011 16:49:25.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[83F09CC0:01CCB1DB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:49:26 +0000 (UTC) --_3f7ca9cf-6de2-40e1-bade-e68bce607665_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So I figured I use the Octatrack to live loop/sample my guitar and the set the playback speed down so i get jus= t intervals maybe something interesting will happen.... ..then if I also set loop length and sequencer playback to numbers that follows the math of just intervals it will get really crazy=2C then add effects and other goodies..= =20 So the loops are "just" and the guitar is not.. lake a bag pipe and piano...=20 ... i have one track of 9/8=2C one 5/4=2C one 3/2 and one 15/8 (these produ= ce non decimal numbers when divided with 64 which feeds the value range of the rat= e knob on the octatrack) SO - did it become music.. perhaps=2C have a listen and decide=20 http://soundcloud.com/...-bergdahl/just-playing and this is only a fraction of what can be done=2C I have a few other where= I use non released features of the Beta OS i have on the octatrack=2C those will = come later. THE GUITAR=2C is my Soloway Swan Single 15=2C bridge pickup and the "amp" is the V-stack tweedy.. (sorry late and family asleep..) (yes there is one canned loop which I made by resampling other samples mang= led with the octa track... so there are 4 tracks of live looped guitar=2C o= ne track of the guitar and one track with the "canned loop" = --_3f7ca9cf-6de2-40e1-bade-e68bce607665_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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So the loops are "just" and the guitar is not.. lake a bag pipe and piano... =3B

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http://soundcloud.com/...-bergdahl/just-pla= ying

and this is only a fraction of what can be done=2C I have a few other where= I use non released features of the Beta OS i have on the octatrack=2C those will = come later.
THE GUITAR=2C is my Soloway Swan Single 15=2C bridge pickup and the "amp" is the V-stack tweedy.. (sorry late and family asleep..)<= /p>

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= --_3f7ca9cf-6de2-40e1-bade-e68bce607665_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 16:56:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2DFB183451; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YQPB6An4p2MoCASi8aLdtrftFHcpTrHr4gP8nZpEdqo=; b=DuaKKtIrcUUv1jnBNaf9k3S/OibGaIgpWowp0g4V/uvjqXYrm0d+XFTR5FEQJaenv9 K723szwMuCmiPN6nZXIpbjuw++kemIxL6llZurYevk3kH3EuG8CCh7+7RbamyLwYJRxy IwN4XuZwQt2bl3QQLEVViFA9ZNSB37CPFDZrY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:56:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New experiment, live looping/sampling (guitar) play back with rate (speed) set to Just intonation intervals From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Listening here now and finding it quite exciting! I like your guitar tone a lot, guess we share similar tastes on such matters. The Octatrack seems to be a cool tool. Hope you manage to learn how to master it as well as you master the guitar. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > So I figured I use the Octatrack to live loop/sample my guitar and the se= t > the playback speed down so i get just intervals maybe something interesti= ng > will happen.... > > > =C2=A0..then if I also set loop length and sequencer playback to numbers = that > follows the math of just intervals it will get really crazy, then add > effects and other goodies.. > So the loops are "just" and the guitar is not.. lake a bag pipe and > piano... > > > ... i have one track of 9/8, one 5/4, one 3/2 and one 15/8 (these produce > non decimal numbers when divided with 64 which feeds the value range of t= he > rate knob on the octatrack) > > SO - did it become music.. perhaps, have a listen and decide > http://soundcloud.com/...-bergdahl/just-playing > > and this is only a fraction of what can be done, I have a few other where= I > use non released features of the Beta OS i have on the octatrack, those w= ill > come later. > THE GUITAR, is my Soloway Swan Single 15, bridge pickup and the "amp" is = the > V-stack tweedy.. (sorry late and family asleep..) > > > (yes there is one canned loop which I made by resampling other samples > mangled with the octa track... so there are 4 tracks of live looped guita= r, > one track of the guitar and one track with the "canned loop" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 17:20:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A429418345B; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SJe8xPWh1nLz9BfGwfbcTxKKKBPdxmwtb7SY7xxcSb4=; b=eEbvNiwZnMOoKYohaCWjCtzpufp6vGLwL7jTXqGzwU+yzNiJi29EKm3rZeDPL99Xiz IjkC8fXgCILU5jYqysawLr8zhqZx2d8BFyYs0erXcXh+fLva10ngd22SDKxPXlEiA4XN LN6VEGZWAmTD8D5YVmORApAu3XOZiFdblrMkQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:20:57 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: OT: The Wandering Madman West Coast Tour From: The Wandering Madman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9MKMPD.A.l3B.7pl2OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Howdy all! Just wanted to let you guys know Ive been touring with a band called HURT as their soundguy / opening act. The following is a list of upcoming west coast dates if anyone is interested in seeing this craziness in person. I typically have a 30min set. Tickets have been around $12. If you can't make it out, no worries for I will hopefully be back in 2012! Lastly, since the band HURT is playing as an acoustic act, they picked up a cello player for the tour. His name is Yoed Neir and he is an incredible improv looper. Check him out!=A0 http://www.yoednir.com/ Dec 3 - Neurolux - Boise, ID Dec 4 - Hawthorne Theater - Portland, OR Dec 5 - The Tripple Door - Seattle, WA Dec 7 - Hotel Utah - San Francisco, CA Dec 8 - The Mint - L.A, CA Dec 9 - The Roxy - Scottsdale, AZ Dec 10 - Tricky Falls - El Paso, TX Dec 12 - Wreckers - Lubbox, TX Dec 13 - Stubbs Jr - Austin, TX Dec 14 - The Korova - San Antonio, TX Dec 15 - Fitzgeralds - Houston, TX Dec 16 - Stickyz - Little Rock, AR Dec 17 - Rogue - Fayatteville, AR Dec 18 - La Grange - Dallas, TX cheers! The Wandering Madman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 19:09:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44111183461; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EDA73E1.7010009@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 11:09:21 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: airFX level mismatch. References: <4ED8D432.50508@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ED8D432.50508@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_QS94D.A.qLE.pPn2OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:09:29 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > The "instrument level" isn't really about level, it's > about impedance. I've never truly understood the concept of impedance. Is hi to low z part of this concept? Would you mind taking the time to give us a simple couple of examples of how impedance works and how it manifests in the practical world of live audio? No worries if you are too busy. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 19:25:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD4FF183461; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZF5FIptW+bw16G25t3EHnj6FFf/1oxAD2CqcKfXNsBo=; b=DH0TLgpeX86MLoCgt332+0v3jC22lFqOrUoCaSGolbGnf+VX09sok998iXm4/QQldS M1ltp+b5vz80xQycuPJeA/bzge1t7T98SD9KOucEQ3o8/YSMR5d0Vh4uo94P2USnGONS K4Otcg6TFh/n7xpmbk8uY8rQ7Fhnyau8xmNAY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:25:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Gig Spam: Fro Diddly From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52161a3f8eef004b3350c8c Resent-Message-ID: <2hM45C.A.kkE.0en2OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:25:40 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52161a3f8eef004b3350c8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey all Fro asked me to post this as he is having a tech problem with posting here so.. >>>>> Howdy all! Just wanted to let you guys know Ive been touring with a band called HURT as their soundguy / opening act. The following is a list of upcoming west coast dates if anyone is interested in seeing this craziness in person. I typically have a 30min set. Tickets have been around $12. If you can't make it out, no worries for I will hopefully be back in 2012! Lastly, since the band HURT is playing as an acoustic act, they picked up a cello player for the tour. His name is Yoed Neir and he is an incredible improv looper. Check him out! http://www.facebook.com/l/TAQFC1JnkAQHUvkrnAKKd-pkwww9biDF9qFJm6sGC2g2xTA/www.yoednir.com/ Dec 3 - Neurolux - Boise, ID Dec 4 - Hawthorne Theater - Portland, OR Dec 5 - The Tripple Door - Seattle, WA Dec 7 - Hotel Utah - San Francisco, CA Dec 8 - The Mint - L.A, CA Dec 9 - The Roxy - Scottsdale, AZ Dec 10 - Tricky Falls - El Paso, TX Dec 12 - Wreckers - Lubbox, TX Dec 13 - Stubbs Jr - Austin, TX Dec 14 - The Korova - San Antonio, TX Dec 15 - Fitzgeralds - Houston, TX Dec 16 - Stickyz - Little Rock, AR Dec 17 - Rogue - Fayatteville, AR Dec 18 - La Grange - Dallas, TX cheers! Fro --bcaec52161a3f8eef004b3350c8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all Fro asked me to post this as he is having a tech problem with posti= ng here so..

>>>>>

Howdy all!

Ju= st wanted to let you guys know Ive been touring with a band called
HURT= as their soundguy / opening act. The following is a list of
upcoming west coast dates if anyone is interested in seeing this
crazi= ness in person. I typically have a 30min set. Tickets have been
around = $12. If you can't make it out, no worries for I will hopefully
be b= ack in 2012!

Lastly, since the band HURT is playing as an acoustic act, they picke= d
up a cello player for the tour. His name is Yoed Neir and he is an incredible improv looper. Check him out! http://www.= facebook.com/l/TAQFC1JnkAQHUvkrnAKKd-pkwww9biDF9qFJm6sGC2g2xTA/www.yoednir.= com/

Dec 3 - Neurolux - Boise, ID
Dec 4 - Hawthorne Theater - Por= tland, OR
Dec 5 - The Tripple Door - Seattle, WA
Dec 7 - Hotel Utah= - San Francisco, CA
Dec 8 - The Mint - L.A, CA
Dec 9 - The Roxy - = Scottsdale, AZ
Dec 10 - Tricky Falls - El Paso, TX
Dec 12 - Wreckers - Lubbox, TX
= Dec 13 - Stubbs Jr - Austin, TX
Dec 14 - The Korova - San Antonio, TX<= br> Dec 15 - Fitzgeralds - Houston, TX
Dec 16 - Stickyz - Little Rock, = AR
Dec 17 - Rogue - Fayatteville, AR
Dec 18 - La Grange - Dallas, TX
=
cheers!

Fro
--bcaec52161a3f8eef004b3350c8c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 21:12:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA05D183460; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=hOxs2vlacPSvzCG1IwviXdsV89pp4SiCmAb1BL9DLn0=; b=XbLmAhXMZxMzm0/3htr1VeQjI1OkGW+thW2wsTlDLUEp641XNBGoQktbnQ8kMiIOD9 SMVB6cXQKg1PVyCGrb8eFtcrX/t1WJwXg9GoNsNp5mXTz/XQULYgqyEnSZU3AK8buySe 8HJAR4ePx34w4F8twdqMlIzFoIuFL64wrTiyA= Subject: Re: airFX level mismatch. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1042143853 From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4EDA73E1.7010009@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:12:07 -0800 Cc: andy butler Message-Id: <5923CC7F-01E4-40B2-BBCF-8EF4212508F5@gmail.com> References: <4ED8D432.50508@tiscali.co.uk> <4EDA73E1.7010009@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:12:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1042143853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gah! I've been trying to research my way into understanding impedance = better for a month now. Let's just say the scales have not yet fallen = from my eyes. Love to see if Andy can work some educational magic :) = Great to know even giants like Rick have the occasional blind spot :) Also, re: EDP levels... I have much empathy for the caller... that unit = definitely behaves differently than all my other (more modern) gear, and = I've twisted myself into knots getting it to comply in various contexts, = here are just a few:=20 in FX loop (serial) of Mesa Boogie MkIV - Output far too weak. Solution was to use a Suhr Minimix 2 to boost = (and to convert the serial loop to parallel). in FX loop after Rane SM26 line splitter/mixer Somehow this worked better, no need for boost unit, and the Rane created = the parallelism I craved. Sound fidelity was good... but I wanted to = move to full-frequency monitor setup, so... No hardware amp, routing EDP thru MOTU interface to Ableton and monitors Have found *no* way to get levels (impedance? lol) to work this way at = all. Line noise, white floor noise, brittle distortion, horrible = fidelity... this with levels in the EDP set entirely properly... tried = every kind of cable and routing and +4/-10/inst.level combo the MOTU = will allow... Current solution? Echoloop VST. (Bless you Matthias and crew) Works perfectly right away, = sounds great, zero noise. Downside - cannot use it 'headless,' that is, = without my computer running... Always fun, never boring ! Phil :) On Dec 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: >> The "instrument level" isn't really about level, it's >> about impedance. > I've never truly understood the concept of impedance. >=20 > Is hi to low z part of this concept? >=20 > Would you mind taking the time to give us a simple couple of examples = of > how impedance works and how it manifests in the practical world of = live audio? >=20 > No worries if you are too busy. >=20 > rick >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-1042143853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Gah! = I've been trying to research my way into understanding impedance better = for a month now. Let's just say the scales have not yet fallen from my = eyes. Love to see if Andy can work some educational magic :) Great to = know even giants like Rick have the occasional blind spot = :)

Also, re: EDP levels... I have much empathy for = the caller... that unit definitely behaves differently than all my other = (more modern) gear, and I've twisted myself into knots getting it to = comply in various contexts, here are just a = few:

in FX loop (serial) of Mesa = Boogie MkIV

- Output far too weak. Solution was to use a = Suhr Minimix 2 to boost (and to convert the serial loop to = parallel).

in FX loop after Rane SM26 line = splitter/mixer

Somehow this worked better, no need for = boost unit, and the Rane created the parallelism I craved. Sound = fidelity was good... but I wanted to move to full-frequency monitor = setup, so...

No hardware amp, routing EDP = thru MOTU interface to Ableton and monitors

Have found = *no* way to get levels (impedance? lol) to work this way at all. Line = noise, white floor noise, brittle distortion, horrible fidelity... this = with levels in the EDP set entirely properly... tried every kind of = cable and routing and +4/-10/inst.level combo the MOTU will = allow...

Current = solution?

Echoloop VST. (Bless you Matthias and crew) = Works perfectly right away, sounds great, zero noise. Downside - cannot = use it 'headless,' that is, without my computer = running...

Always fun, never boring = !

Phil = :)

On= Dec 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

On = 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote:
The = "instrument level" isn't really about level, = it's
about = impedance.
I've never truly understood the concept of = impedance.

Is hi to low z part of this concept?

Would you = mind taking the time to give us a simple couple of examples of
how = impedance works and how it manifests in the practical world of live = audio?

No worries if you are too = busy.

rick

= --Apple-Mail-1-1042143853-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 21:56:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D50AB183460; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4EDA9B17.0058,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8REYuqoajsmvOCQrDW+1/TDKVSLpI8De9SQQk3E9NNY= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=00pC-j9g49Qicqf5dO8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EchoLoop VST Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:56:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcyyBm7hIpboHryoR2qRBvOYxrVVNg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:56:40 +0000 (UTC) I don't find this VST available anywhere, is it still in beta? And how do I become a lab rat? Gnarly From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 08:02:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE87E183461; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8SRNTT3yE7Js/V9Ht4Dg0Xw/JaojFK54ZhyDMPcNi40=; b=K4zZ5pz/vFaTGKs7/TDAuZfEEmhbS3DVZLGwrcMNVW9gl68xIS09win4C4mvzWUrJb 4QWCKdudO2vKWiooMrlEyA52R63w1EO23F9kd73XSobxEolrgYwYG6joYskGchhlGYOU c8cOmnSpoHSo9cYsP8EW0AJrtYCUMpsnyeIR0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1833889.1322199848954.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1833889.1322199848954.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 00:02:55 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping From: Art Simon To: stanitarium@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba1efba82f720204b33fa12b Resent-Message-ID: <0ossP.A.pqG.wky2OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:02:56 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba1efba82f720204b33fa12b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One more Jan Akkerman video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzdcEKtU6CQ&feature=related On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:44 PM, wrote: > used to buy the early solo Jan records-loved them to death and played them > to death-great music that stands the test of time.Jan Akkerman - > Streetwalker - YouTube > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Richards ** > Sent: Nov 24, 2011 6:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping > > Ahhhh...Jan Akkerman. What about his soloing on Questions? Answers? > Answers? Questions? / Focus 2 (I think))? He could really rock and his tone > was so awesome. He is a vastly underrated guitarist. Of course, Focus ia a > vastly underrated group. They've always been one of my favorites. > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Per Boysen ; > * To: * ; > * Subject: * Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping > * Sent: * Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:49:56 PM > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Charles Zwicky > wrote: > > Here's a classic example of that tone: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm9-PZJ3buk > > > Man what a sound! I love that neck PU sound! That tape recorder > compression is so up-your-face! Makes me think about Hendrix If Six > Was Nine (although that was bridge PU, but still the same PU tone > compression). Vini Reilly (The Durutti Column) once called the > STratocaster "a wonderful machine" or something like that, and that > really is what it is. I love those Strat quirks like the sploinky > sounds of string tension evening out through the nut score as you play > with the whammy bar. I recently recorded this with my strat that I > mocked up in -82 by a Schekter body and all other parts form one of > those early Japan built Squire strats: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/strat_psalm.mp3 > Can't say how much I love that tone, although here it is bridge PU all > through. Another classic and great album with the bridge PU strat tone > is Hamburger Concerto with ancient dutch group Focus. Jan Akkerman > played through rotating speaker Lesley cab's on that album which is > another epic strat sound I adore. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > ** > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --90e6ba1efba82f720204b33fa12b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One more Jan Akkerman video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIzdc= EKtU6CQ&feature=3Drelated

On Thu,= Nov 24, 2011 at 9:44 PM, <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:

used to buy the early solo Jan records-l= oved them to death and played them to death-great music that stands the tes= t of time.Jan Akkerman - Streetwalker - YouTube
-----Original Message= -----
From: Paul Richards
Sent: Nov 24, 2011 6:26 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping

=
Ahhhh...Jan Akkerman. What = about his soloing on Questions? Answers? Answers? Questions? / Focus 2 (I t= hink))? He could really rock and his tone was so awesome. He is a vastly un= derrated guitarist. Of course, Focus ia a vastly underrated group. They'= ;ve always been one of my favorites.

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>; =
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;= =
Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping =
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:49:56 PM =

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@eart= hlink.net> wrote:
> Here's a classic example of that tone:=
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhm9-PZJ3buk

Ma= n what a sound! I love that neck PU sound! That tape recorder
compressio= n is so up-your-face! Makes me think about Hendrix If Six
Was Nine (although that was bridge PU, but still the same PU tone
compre= ssion). Vini Reilly (The Durutti Column) once called the
STratocaster &q= uot;a wonderful machine" or something like that, and that
really is= what it is. I love those Strat quirks like the sploinky
sounds of string tension evening out through the nut score as you play
w= ith the whammy bar. I recently recorded this with my strat that I
mocked up in -82 by a Schekter body and all other parts fo= rm one of
those early Japan built Squire strats:
http://dl.dropbox= .com/u/4963264/strat_psalm.mp3
Can't say how much I love that tone, although here it is bridge PU all<= br>through. Another classic and great album with the bridge PU strat toneis Hamburger Concerto with ancient dutch group Focus. Jan Akkerman
played through rotating speaker Lesley cab's on that album which is
= another epic strat sound I adore.

Greetings from Sweden

Per B= oysen
www.perboys= en.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--
Art Simonsimart@gmail.com=

--90e6ba1efba82f720204b33fa12b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 08:53:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8832E183462; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: EchoLoop VST Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:53:07 +0100 Message-ID: <2FFBE382D8D84571B036F07D19342A96@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcyyYSEYHP20E8RzSnyDqZneds0TvgAAKk7w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:53:12 +0000 (UTC) > I don't find this VST available anywhere, is it still in beta? yes (but it works). Ask Matthias Grob or Andy Butler. I think they are busy with other things, and haven't figured out a price and how to set up an online shop for this thing :) -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 12:22:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAD8E18345F; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EDB6614.3050509@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 04:22:44 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Clevenger CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, andy butler Subject: Re: Re: airFX level mismatch. References: <5923CC7F-01E4-40B2-BBCF-8EF4212508F5@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5923CC7F-01E4-40B2-BBCF-8EF4212508F5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <64Zk_C.A.xGB.eY22OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:22:54 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Great to know even giants like Rick have the occasional blind spot :) Funny, I've always considered myself a technical midget, but thanks for your acknowledgment.........really! Bill Walker, Andy Butler, Matthias Grob, Richard Zvonar, Per Boysen....... ......now those guys are the giants, imho. ....so says the one with the proverbial electronic black thumb! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 17:28:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C29C183462; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 123759.51627.bm@omp1023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1323019703; bh=JrHMkT6V3muu2WmHh2HVu6omJbVPQfeePCQRn517hF0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qt9TCssLJwFLgINV9/LdFt+PdwuUkA2/keVFIvdRlBZkYCneIZSWvn9v3PX4kL7QHPglmvm6nT3Fo/hLDuHnpBud3WlDia3mtoJxBoPkhNvl0HLRRDnHbIzOM6TiB81ZGmR+uh3+jiRMKSQgOsuyzS9jpt7CtWQSOSeXy6l9C0I= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QFW2vr2qhbDU1x4/8ohJVzIN5GmJFyCuAQf4BSjzqnGx5fq9flcFORy8IOs5cOhND+E2MgrQObmeMkGz9U9uPKlVizeR8vKBy8A4SBVjdKXAlEmA4WMugMAZm7kFya5a4qz0I/vuPvtcJpXtzMlN/5gYBuhYK5RY9JlzpKrKfSs=; X-YMail-OSG: tjBA5EAVM1mYucQAWAQFtxt6w_x8FOin4L4zv7MWNyI_ay1 e1qgQ.5476JUabb52TDyPW6_Q1e7y8B8aHg1aN.AldhxFnzU4ARTl8Ts49yO TKnXSTZB_icLUFxUcczoQNOIsLHVHjOWqrJ1jhb62QL9Zg1xYRN0Ym_Hhje2 v0okfgMBCTbjkPYyOcI8O8sWj8HR5IdMLKR21u29P4C9.zeufkb8C6F7zA96 DQpSCxcdMYOobAdlpPOrNo1NBlWNOE_a314_NkPdxpExzHBS2b0981ivJxAl DoYyAsVYpbm8X9ky5DQjlnHsq0Zef1G8_DvuxqF5.t60Z4yjRVzoHb_sYXz9 OTC53Llufg5ClwxqU8tPiaxr5Xy6B0n9zBf8Jx7uZ1f2La56aZJDCAiQzwUK r9Hm68ZAwAt9jWlIgPqZuD9ZhGQi.bWr0Y.y1OO59l_DxpCBxy45H_851xSk zRt0kMLojnGqtqCnIAcu1bcSimxvwUaISmqi0LpF7q7nqPo3XnEyr_aXnk5b 7S_U9vsw4 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1323019703.65183.YahooMailNeo@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:28:23 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Mac Mini Server for Music Production To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-267948401-1323019703=:65183" Resent-Message-ID: <193m4D.A.MEF.4262OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:28:25 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-267948401-1323019703=:65183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, all:=0A=A0=0AI was going to purchse another Mac shortly (an iMac w/1= TB storage, 4 GB memory) to use with Logic, Reason and other software. How= ever, I looked at the specs of the Mac Mini Server with the faster CPU, two= internal 500GB 7400 rpm discs. Would this be a good music production machi= ne? I know one has to purchase an optical drive, mouse & keyboard (I have a= new monitor that should work ok). When I perused the net, I saw a few folk= s were running Logic with the Mac Mini server. There were some configuratio= n issues that were mentioned and that can be worked out. Should I stick wit= h the iMac or consider the performance boost with the Mac Mini Server? THX!= =0A=0ARegards, Paul ---2114655128-267948401-1323019703=:65183 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello, all:

I was going to purchse another Mac shortly (an iMac = w/1 TB storage, 4 GB memory) to use with Logic, Reason and other software. = However, I looked at the specs of the Mac Mini Server with the faster CPU, = two internal 500GB 7400 rpm discs. Would this be a good music production ma= chine? I know one has to purchase an optical drive, mouse & keyboard (I= have a new monitor that should work ok). When I perused the net, I saw a f= ew folks were running Logic with the Mac Mini server. There were some confi= guration issues that were mentioned and that can be worked out. Should I st= ick with the iMac or consider the performance boost with the Mac Mini Serve= r? THX!

Regards, Paul

---2114655128-267948401-1323019703=:65183-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 17:49:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6906183462; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ertuggIeziRI+DBYpx2+L77YjOaGzKvpMn7XXtAwnDU=; b=X5Vw5v+U+UDt7rURRN9d//zdr+EP7Fh0YYsSs3UzQhLEDq4KdCGNIVk6TAAtRzejwL fa/ghPudgs5X5BPfGBLuajGXJxckhdwrp8DQHnL4ArHSHMsk+fbnK2hrlmKwpIuMa89U tcm9kAhMJP4hlxSegHnIgiPzsmv7YdbyAVevU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1323019703.65183.YahooMailNeo@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1323019703.65183.YahooMailNeo@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:49:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server for Music Production From: Dennis Moser To: Paul Richards Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Paul, If you're comfortable opening the MINI, the only real differences are the two drives=97which you could easily add to the Standard config=97and the Quad Core I7. In fact, you can set up the Standard config with a FASTER I7 Dual Core processor. The real question is whether you will see a performance increase with the slower Quad Core versus the faster Dual Core. At any rate the MINI is turning out to be a good little machine for this kind of use. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > Hello, all: > > I was going to purchse another Mac shortly (an iMac w/1 TB storage, 4 GB > memory) to use with Logic, Reason and other software. However, I looked a= t > the specs of the Mac Mini Server with the faster CPU, two internal 500GB > 7400 rpm discs. Would this be a good music production machine? I know one > has to purchase an optical drive, mouse & keyboard (I have a new monitor > that should work ok). When I perused the net, I saw a few folks were runn= ing > Logic with the Mac Mini server. There were some configuration issues that > were mentioned and that can be worked out. Should I stick with the iMac o= r > consider the performance boost with the Mac Mini Server? THX! > Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 18:33:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3CE6183461; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=clgqn3TuFqMvKzXYjIgRIopnwxDDQ7R30QWYMoQzL8Q=; b=KfXg+Lb105EoyJDg1Q2psku7noSgcu2kLUkL+DOMUtdPO6xTZXG3CUJnWKdYfCt4dU P8i2fpop2Zv9NUBy+aSdar0fRVD6pAbdNtv8aMPtgFNOFKp1u5/9FKpv1Xuz2us/oVUf M9Dyy2SWkmzx8MknBfCvD/sdMGzHxgIPcYjo8= From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-47--1028514178 Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server for Music Production Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 16:32:32 -0200 In-Reply-To: <1323019703.65183.YahooMailNeo@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loop List References: <1323019703.65183.YahooMailNeo@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:33:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-47--1028514178 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the Mac Mini has the video memory shared from the main memory this caused clicks in the past, I replaced my Mini by a PBP (the PB has = the same problem) that was a while ago, I dont know about today... On 4 Dec 2011, at 15:28, Paul Richards wrote: > Hello, all: > =20 > I was going to purchse another Mac shortly (an iMac w/1 TB storage, 4 = GB memory) to use with Logic, Reason and other software. However, I = looked at the specs of the Mac Mini Server with the faster CPU, two = internal 500GB 7400 rpm discs. Would this be a good music production = machine? I know one has to purchase an optical drive, mouse & keyboard = (I have a new monitor that should work ok). When I perused the net, I = saw a few folks were running Logic with the Mac Mini server. There were = some configuration issues that were mentioned and that can be worked = out. Should I stick with the iMac or consider the performance boost with = the Mac Mini Server? THX! > Regards, Paul --Apple-Mail-47--1028514178 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii the = Mac Mini has the video memory shared from the main memory

this = caused clicks in the past, I replaced my Mini by a PBP (the PB has the = same problem)

that was a while ago, I dont know about = today...

On 4 Dec 2011, at 15:28, Paul Richards = wrote:

Hello, all:

I was = going to purchse another Mac shortly (an iMac w/1 TB storage, 4 GB = memory) to use with Logic, Reason and other software. However, I looked = at the specs of the Mac Mini Server with the faster CPU, two internal = 500GB 7400 rpm discs. Would this be a good music production machine? I = know one has to purchase an optical drive, mouse & keyboard (I have = a new monitor that should work ok). When I perused the net, I saw a few = folks were running Logic with the Mac Mini server. There were some = configuration issues that were mentioned and that can be worked out. = Should I stick with the iMac or consider the performance boost with the = Mac Mini Server? THX!
Regards, = Paul

= --Apple-Mail-47--1028514178-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 18:43:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22FB5183461; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--1027836916 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:43:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:43:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--1027836916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just picked up one of these as a space saving option for a line 6 expression pedal http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=product%2Fproduct&path=35&product_id=75 it works great even though you give up the continuous control capability you still get to set two different settings for whatever effects algorithm you use, particularly useful when using the smart harmonizer to toggle intervals or going from run away delay regeneration to no delay quickly I'm hoping that this guy or someone will come out with the equivalent for trs style expression pedals like the EV-pedals i use ,hopefully also with a minimum volume control which i am finding useful with my Wet reverb and my Timefactor. Bill Double Preset Box r3fx.com Please note that the Line 6 units can power a red LED without the need for a battery. A different colored LED requires more power to drive it and will thus require a battery - that means that the small 1590LB sized enclosure will not work because a battery will not fit. If you must have a differ... --Apple-Mail-9--1027836916 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--1027836916; type="text/html" --Apple-Mail-10--1027836916 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just picked up one of these = as a space saving option for a line 6 expression pedal http://r3fx.com/store/continuous control capability you still get to set = two different settings for whatever effects algorithm you use, = particularly useful when using the smart harmonizer to toggle intervals = or going from run away delay regeneration to no delay quickly I'm hoping = that this guy or someone will come out with the equivalent for trs style = expression pedals like the EV-pedals i use ,hopefully also with a = minimum volume control which i am finding useful with my Wet reverb and = my Timefactor.

Bill

Double Preset Box

r3fx.com

Please note that the Line 6 = units can power a red LED without the need for a battery. A = different colored LED requires more power to drive it and will thus = require a battery - that means that the small 1590LB sized enclosure = will not work because a battery will not fit. If you must = have a differ...

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Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:43:53 -0800 References: <2D3A44B2-6301-4277-BE4A-33D9A0CB5274@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <4D7E9AEE-B2D6-4FF1-BC3B-6A8D1674E657@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 19:43:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--1024233491 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Of course Andy you are correct about the Mix knob dipping some when in = mid-position... that was my initial experience, since the Boogie's FX = loop is serial there was no choice but to run Mix at 12 o'clock or so... = but it was too quiet... hence the Suhr MiniMix, lovely little piece that = essentially makes my (mono) serial FX loop into a parallel loop. That = enabled me to run the EDP fully wet. But, the output still fell just shy = of where I wanted it to be, so I used a Suhr Isoboost (clean boost) to = just bump the EDP up a little, and the result was great. And yeah, the whole MOTU thing is a real head scratcher. If anyone out = there has run an EDP thru a MOTU device (I'm using the Traveler), I'd = love to hear your experience :) Meantime, I'm happy in VST-land. Might set up the EDP again with the = Boogie and just keep it on hand for times when hardware is required.... Phil :) On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:03 AM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >=20 > Phil Clevenger wrote: >> Gah! I've been trying to research my way into understanding impedance = better for a month now. Let's just say the scales have not yet fallen = from my eyes. Love to see if Andy can work some educational magic :) = Great to know even giants like Rick have the occasional blind spot :) >=20 > ok, when I get the time I'll work up a full overview, >=20 > this comes up a lot. >=20 >=20 >> *in FX loop (serial) of Mesa Boogie MkIV* >> - Output far too weak. Solution was to use a Suhr Minimix 2 to boost = (and to convert the serial loop to parallel). >=20 > I'd call that a known issue connected with the Mix control on the EDP. > If you put in full wet, then the o/p is good and loud. > As you mix in the dry signal the wet signal drops...well > that's what a mix control does. >=20 >> *No hardware amp, routing EDP thru MOTU interface to Ableton and = monitors* >> Have found *no* way to get levels (impedance? lol) to work this way = at all. Line noise, white floor noise, brittle distortion, horrible = fidelity... this with levels in the EDP set entirely properly... tried = every kind of cable and routing and +4/-10/inst.level combo the MOTU = will allow... >=20 > That's strange. > Can't see any reason for that to happen from the onfo here. >=20 > andy --Apple-Mail-1--1024233491 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
And yeah, the whole MOTU thing is a real = head scratcher. If anyone out there has run an EDP thru a MOTU device = (I'm using the Traveler), I'd love to hear your experience :)

Meantime, I'm = happy in VST-land. Might set up the EDP again with the Boogie and just = keep it on hand for times when hardware is required....

Phil :)

On Dec 4, = 2011, at 5:03 AM, andy butler wrote:

Phil Clevenger wrote:
Gah! I've been trying to research my way into = understanding impedance better for a month now. Let's just say the = scales have not yet fallen from my eyes. Love to see if Andy can work = some educational magic :) Great to know even giants like Rick have the = occasional blind spot :)

ok, when I get the time = I'll work up a full overview,

this comes up a = lot.

*in FX loop (serial) of Mesa = Boogie MkIV*
- Output far too = weak. Solution was to use a Suhr Minimix 2 to boost (and to convert the = serial loop to parallel).

I'd call that a known = issue connected with the Mix control on the EDP.
If you put in full = wet, then the o/p is good and loud.
As you mix in the dry signal the = wet signal drops...well
that's what a mix control = does.

*No hardware amp, routing EDP = thru MOTU interface to Ableton and monitors*
Have found *no* way to get levels (impedance? lol) to work = this way at all. Line noise, white floor noise, brittle distortion, = horrible fidelity... this with levels in the EDP set entirely = properly... tried every kind of cable and routing and +4/-10/inst.level = combo the MOTU will allow...

That's = strange.
Can't see any reason for that to happen from the onfo = here.

andy

= --Apple-Mail-1--1024233491-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 00:01:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FADD183461; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 357105.29309.bm@omp1052.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1323043316; bh=BlTs5VLMioLvwzmb89j9EBejrtO8bMu+pmMqVQp8PXY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w8peiQoZ3uv40JVUt4DN0lGqkV9qj1IB4P7uC/i1Uym1+7T8x7/aNkgWRiOlQq6ZBtzUi5FPzrtYReyBCyFycgk7Yd5AtKKIl9g8V7yEc3U0sxDbOQWwFib59WzXaAOzs+o38nflpJrpijc95JbGMOYnQmm1MiGeWrGsmkNO74o= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zBw9l24D7HkLrT648L19Xin4E2BFDjZwzkWr5DII4DcHe8ldFfvsqKS1G6XUSfeq5fF28RyA3XmrS7iuqe8DKpBk4Q1Np53KorByhs2kdOiiMDKln38ycfFPjsER+4w6PI/RWpj2OjhMGDR3byRsq6bPpiPJPXqhWFbtb9wG1f4=; X-YMail-OSG: hd7sn4EVM1noLgKVw2f0bf2Kx8s2_1pSkSUO8ZHY5hY2a4U .tlXNa_DuvgWKhKqED5wCcpG4DqJxjpoLdJvASvRWGKrwYyGzqEXbhZC.0rF mlYNdzJ5J4PUVq072fJCcsDTkmdOZrdWt6Hg.RrGAH1BUy0cJdiPUkaoGgp6 O1sUuuvo.y5xFmUKLmmZXl8Mw2_RMhWHcQNhUYfadMFGt9KrtPAyZBYyeW2k ajFO.gPlG4JfjJzPna3Q_c8diRaxb2dTFaAPIvKzgnEEdEn6ObWIViTQ5U_R QeHnVJeyBsfV8YvXeKVnSO24BcumLXPVyUKX2DgHCVemLiNQZatuls4WQteq cB3OOVf8SnhAWuvMTEq0sjAYaI.0BxLL5aTPK2xaYsZq2.ks7GLi6d7sxrTq iqN0WFxTzIxuU_pOQXf9t9WMoGud6ObU2eq4vgNI4K7T4TT65FV7J.rND.ff qA4BE2X.QIAqMWuMRO.5HbRmSyKQhwf2ehULKXE.ioBc0b.cnZoZr22iAENY obyqEQzzZIX1LTm5R8P0OBmRWCTO8HvsbNbK0.XxhOgq4Ci9QrYbQrMVg5pD qLWN_vry4JjDx6c6JaN77Au3D6ho.RsmDzHuiMa2iBDKI6ZgnjKZYw8REFIl xBvyt_dA7wiK9O8_tPvJ9eCy.lmDQxo4AkWedvolLqFZSlLovDsJ1a5XuPRv YoCydtZFQgpwsbU9jEQU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <1323019703.65183.YahooMailNeo@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323043316.21748.YahooMailNeo@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 16:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server for Music Production To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-85214371-1323043316=:21748" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:01:59 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-85214371-1323043316=:21748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis:=0ASo, you're suggesting saving the initial cash between the mac min= i & mac mini server and upgrading later? The mac mini server I configured t= opped at at around $1200. I know the mac minis are less expensive but I'd h= ave to ante up the cash for the second disc and (maybe eventually) another = processor. I do like the screen of the iMac and hate giving that up. Decisi= ons, decisions. One good thing: I work for a university so can get academic= prices on Logic, for example.=0A=C2=A0=0ARegards, Paul=0A =0A=0A__________= ______________________=0A From: Dennis Moser =0ATo= : Paul Richards =0ACc: "Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com" =0ASent: Sunday, Dece= mber 4, 2011 12:49 PM=0ASubject: Re: Mac Mini Server for Music Production= =0A =0APaul,=0A=0AIf you're comfortable opening the MINI, the only real dif= ferences are=0Athe two drives=E2=80=94which you could easily add to the Sta= ndard config=E2=80=94and=0Athe Quad Core I7. In fact, you can set up the St= andard config with a=0AFASTER I7 Dual Core processor.=0A=0AThe real questio= n is whether you will see a performance increase with=0Athe slower Quad Cor= e versus the faster Dual Core.=0A=0AAt any rate the MINI is turning out to = be a good little machine for=0Athis kind of use.=0A=0ABest,=0A=0ADennis=0A= =0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/usrsbin=0Ahttp://audiozoloft.com=0Ahttp://usrslash= sbin.angrek.com/=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Paul Richards= =0A wrote:=0A> Hello, all:=0A>=0A> I was going= to purchse another Mac shortly (an iMac w/1 TB storage, 4 GB=0A> memory) t= o use with Logic, Reason and other software. However, I looked at=0A> the s= pecs of the Mac Mini Server with the faster CPU, two internal 500GB=0A> 740= 0 rpm discs. Would this be a good music production machine? I know one=0A> = has to purchase an optical drive, mouse & keyboard (I have a new monitor=0A= > that should work ok). When I perused the net, I saw a few folks were runn= ing=0A> Logic with the Mac Mini server. There were some configuration issue= s that=0A> were mentioned and that can be worked out. Should I stick with t= he iMac or=0A> consider the performance boost with the Mac Mini Server? THX= !=0A> Regards, Paul ---2114655128-85214371-1323043316=:21748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dennis:

So, you're suggesting saving the initial cash between = the mac mini & mac mini server and upgrading later? The mac mini server= I configured topped at at around $1200. I know the mac minis are less expe= nsive but I'd have to ante up the cash for the second disc and (maybe event= ually) another processor. I do like the screen of the iMac and hate giving = that up. Decisions, decisions. One good thing: I work for a university so c= an get academic prices on Logic, for example.

Regards, Paul

From: Dennis= Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
To: Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
= Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 12:49= PM
Subject: Re: Mac M= ini Server for Music Production

=0APaul,

If you're c= omfortable opening the MINI, the only real differences are
the two drive= s=E2=80=94which you could easily add to the Standard config=E2=80=94and
= the Quad Core I7. In fact, you can set up the Standard config with a
FAS= TER I7 Dual Core processor.

The real question is whether you will se= e a performance increase with
the slower Quad Core versus the faster Dua= l Core.

At any rate the MINI is turning out to be a good little mach= ine for
this kind of use.

Best,

Dennis

http://sound= cloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.c= om/

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Paul Richards
<paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello, = all:
>
> I was going to purchse another Mac shortly (an iMac w/= 1 TB storage, 4 GB
> memory) to use with Logic, Reason and other software. However, I looked at
> the specs of the Mac Mini= Server with the faster CPU, two internal 500GB
> 7400 rpm discs. Wou= ld this be a good music production machine? I know one
> has to purch= ase an optical drive, mouse & keyboard (I have a new monitor
> th= at should work ok). When I perused the net, I saw a few folks were running<= br>> Logic with the Mac Mini server. There were some configuration issue= s that
> were mentioned and that can be worked out. Should I stick wi= th the iMac or
> consider the performance boost with the Mac Mini Ser= ver? THX!
> Regards, Paul

---2114655128-85214371-1323043316=:21748-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 00:07:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3955183477; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=grVfWnJmioFusda0mAOrDiQFP+HmEJLav+8kL66YCvg=; b=L7bHc/rpXOMhlg9IP0obSYm3WN/QSD4GLJCB2OABvZP5GanCLvdskLU6qedLTRGb0R XEhlGDExeiRnd7TYd4jH/r/DM+owmytUcFNUvTtuFSx9fKbPj+nO2xtVRGR2As694PNT USd62EEJIhQti9fNKlTTNtKLr8lOHlzODh1mY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1323043316.21748.YahooMailNeo@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1323019703.65183.YahooMailNeo@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1323043316.21748.YahooMailNeo@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server for Music Production From: Dennis Moser To: Paul Richards Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Paul, You won't be able to do an upgrade on the processor, unfortunately. You'd need to make that decision upfront (which is why I was drawing your attention to the slower QuadCore I7 versus a faster DualCore I7 on the regular config). Hard drives for these little beasties are pretty affordable from folks like http://otherworldcomputing.com/ =85 Yeah, it's hard to give up that visual real estate=85the solution there would be to save your money and get a nice big monitor. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > Dennis: > So, you're suggesting saving the initial cash between the mac mini & mac > mini server and upgrading later? The mac mini server I configured topped = at > at around $1200. I know the mac minis are less expensive but I'd have to > ante up the cash for the second disc and (maybe eventually) another > processor. I do like the screen of the iMac and hate giving that up. > Decisions, decisions. One good thing: I work for a university so can get > academic prices on Logic, for example. > > Regards, Paul > > From: Dennis Moser > To: Paul Richards > Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server for Music Production > > Paul, > > If you're comfortable opening the MINI, the only real differences are > the two drives=97which you could easily add to the Standard config=97and > the Quad Core I7. In fact, you can set up the Standard config with a > FASTER I7 Dual Core processor. > > The real question is whether you will see a performance increase with > the slower Quad Core versus the faster Dual Core. > > At any rate the MINI is turning out to be a good little machine for > this kind of use. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Paul Richards > wrote: >> Hello, all: >> >> I was going to purchse another Mac shortly (an iMac w/1 TB storage, 4 GB >> memory) to use with Logic, Reason and other software. However, I looked = at >> the specs of the Mac Mini Server with the faster CPU, two internal 500GB >> 7400 rpm discs. Would this be a good music production machine? I know on= e >> has to purchase an optical drive, mouse & keyboard (I have a new monitor >> that should work ok). When I perused the net, I saw a few folks were >> running >> Logic with the Mac Mini server. There were some configuration issues tha= t >> were mentioned and that can be worked out. Should I stick with the iMac = or >> consider the performance boost with the Mac Mini Server? THX! >> Regards, Paul > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 10:27:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0519183462; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=X/RKAE1lLct6UAwiu3iskOs+z3eqh/xAy7EAG647Gno=; b=uj6n0iv83LbijDcQWHG0sVttR1Qmcua1uo8KUQE18pB8ygk3vN3luPO/9keszxa3t9 yVoTD4SgwrdDm47Lpk6TPET8YVAAiIOsIafubI7iGPoHF7yQWOQkZ3bM7IrObt6X0gbm 5dztqzl2NyXQ1zQWE2Py6qes690DSbnX1Wl8E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:27:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51f93bd2ebb3f04b355c3bb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:27:16 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51f93bd2ebb3f04b355c3bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hey Bill,would it be possible to use this to toggle the looper of the M9 on and off instead of having to press and wait? On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, William Walker wrote: > I just picked up one of these as a space saving option for a line 6 > expression pedal http://r3fx.com/store/**index.php?route=product%2Fp** > roduct&path=35&product_id=**75 it > works great even though you give up the continuous control capability you > still get to set two different settings for whatever effects algorithm you > use, particularly useful when using the smart harmonizer to toggle > intervals or going from run away delay regeneration to no delay quickly I'm > hoping that this guy or someone will come out with the equivalent for trs > style expression pedals like the EV-pedals i use ,hopefully also with a > minimum volume control which i am finding useful with my Wet reverb and my > Timefactor. > Bill > > > *Double Preset Box > * > r3fx.com > Please note that the Line 6 units can power a red LED without the need for > a battery. A different colored LED requires more power to drive it and > will thus require a battery - that means that the small 1590LB sized > enclosure will not work because a battery will not fit. If you must have > a differ... > > -- www.luis-angulo.com --bcaec51f93bd2ebb3f04b355c3bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey Bill,would it be possible to use this to toggle the looper of the M9 on= and off instead of having to press and wait?

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, William Walker <<= a href=3D"mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

I just picked u= p one of these as a space saving option for a line 6 expression pedal=A0http://r3fx.com/store= /index.php?= route=3Dproduct%2Fproduct&path=3D35&product_id=3D75=A0it works great even though you give u= p the=A0continuous control capability you still get to set two= different settings for whatever effects algorithm you use, particularly us= eful when using the smart harmonizer to toggle intervals or going from run = away delay regeneration to no delay quickly I'm hoping that this guy or= someone will come out with the equivalent for trs style expression pedals = like the EV-pedals i use ,hopefully also with a minimum volume control whic= h i am finding useful with my Wet reverb and my Timefactor.
=A0Bill
Double Preset Box
r3fx.com
Please note that the Line 6 units can po= wer a red LED without the need for a battery= . A different colored LED requires more power to drive it and will thus req= uire a battery - that means that the small 1590LB sized enclosure will not = work because a battery will not fit.=A0=A0 If you must have a differ...

--
www.luis-angulo.com
--bcaec51f93bd2ebb3f04b355c3bb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 10:37:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7ED6183463; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YmXQhYIIkJm61/zR9qjYfBXdmbUuklqqqkxFfwhkdSc=; b=lciXn+z1Qtg+NePQyDjGY7jcuXPMe/vUIvpodqyrQpNNZ96K6Px0Lx95pfkVH4LVcg pNkVcwvv/X0Q1MsevdBtu7u1VTChvZSmOtMEYLJtYq/JlkblvTDrtaxazuypnRH1UAIz xosCS4DpZyj1HJCXfbd3EoPRrvpS4q1H8wV0k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:37:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Duo looping live recording posted, Laurie Amat vs Per Boysen From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Laurie popped by Stockholm to round up her European tour and we put up a recorder to catch some duo jamming, all free improvisation. She uses a vocal mik into a DL4 and I use a Grand Stick with GR55+. Stupid me forgot to record my looper's output so only my source audio Stick playing made it into the recording. Great fun anyway. We played many more pieces but I forgot to push the correct buttons for recording so for now this is the only documentation we have. May record more today though. http://soundcloud.com/pboy/i-just-listen-to-you Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 10:50:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73B7C18345F; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9191a719-5352-407c-90c5-75c90a08851a_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Duo looping live recording posted, Laurie Amat vs Per Boysen Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:50:07 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2011 10:50:08.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7775600:01CCB33B] Resent-Message-ID: <4IPtjD.A.UmC.kHK3OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:50:12 +0000 (UTC) --_9191a719-5352-407c-90c5-75c90a08851a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very nice=2C I like it a lot..... maybe.. it is a good thing that you diden= 't include the stick loops..... this piece has a nice sparse=2C airy feel t= hat might not be as prominent if there had been more sounds in the recordin= g... Looking forward to hearing more... Anders > Date: Mon=2C 5 Dec 2011 11:37:38 +0100 > Subject: Duo looping live recording posted=2C Laurie Amat vs Per Boysen > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Laurie popped by Stockholm to round up her European tour and we put up > a recorder to catch some duo jamming=2C all free improvisation. She uses > a vocal mik into a DL4 and I use a Grand Stick with GR55+. Stupid me > forgot to record my looper's output so only my source audio Stick > playing made it into the recording. Great fun anyway. We played many > more pieces but I forgot to push the correct buttons for recording so > for now this is the only documentation we have. May record more today > though. >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/pboy/i-just-listen-to-you >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 = --_9191a719-5352-407c-90c5-75c90a08851a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Very nice=2C I like it a lot...

.. maybe.. it is a good thing that you = diden't include the stick loops..

... this piece has a nice spars= e=2C airy feel that might not be as prominent if there had been more sounds= in the recording...

Looking forward to hearing mo= re...

Anders

>=3B Date: Mon=2C 5 Dec= 2011 11:37:38 +0100
>=3B Subject: Duo looping live recording posted= =2C Laurie Amat vs Per Boysen
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
>=3B= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B Laurie popped= by Stockholm to round up her European tour and we put up
>=3B a recor= der to catch some duo jamming=2C all free improvisation. She uses
>=3B= a vocal mik into a DL4 and I use a Grand Stick with GR55+. Stupid me
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>=3B for now this is the only documentation we have. May record m= ore today
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>=3B
>=3B http://soundcloud.com/pboy= /i-just-listen-to-you
>=3B
>=3B Greetings from Sweden
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>=3B Per Boysen
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= --_9191a719-5352-407c-90c5-75c90a08851a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 13:54:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7176183464; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.27.0.100910 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 08:53:57 -0500 Subject: Re: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users From: Rod Abernethy To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users Thread-Index: AcyzVVU0dZj6nEnZk0qPd4MmHruqRg== In-Reply-To: Disposition-Notification-To: rod@rodabernethy.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3405920045_3209240" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:54:09 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3405920045_3209240 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yep, that would be awesome for the M9. -Rod On 12/5/11 5:27 AM, "Louie Angulo" wrote: > hey Bill,would it be possible to use this to toggle the looper of the M9 = on > and off instead of having to press and wait? >=20 > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, William Walker w= rote: >> I just picked up one of these as a space saving option for a line 6 >> expression=20 >> pedal=A0http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=3Dproduct%2Fproduct&path=3D35&pr= oduct >> _id=3D75=20 >> > 5> =A0it works great even though you give up the=A0continuous control capabi= lity >> you still get to set two different settings for whatever effects algorit= hm >> you use, particularly useful when using the smart harmonizer to toggle >> intervals or going from run away delay regeneration to no delay quickly = I'm >> hoping that this guy or someone will come out with the equivalent for tr= s >> style expression pedals like the EV-pedals i use ,hopefully also with a >> minimum volume control which i am finding useful with my Wet reverb and = my >> Timefactor. >> =A0Bill >> =20 >> > id=3D75>=20 >> Double Preset Box >> > id=3D75>=20 >> r3fx.com >> Please note that the Line 6 units can power a red LED without the need f= or a >> battery. A different colored LED requires more power to drive it and wil= l >> thus require a battery - that means that the small 1590LB sized enclosur= e >> will not work because a battery will not fit.=A0=A0 If you must have a diffe= r... >>=20 --B_3405920045_3209240 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users Yep, that would be awesome = for the M9.
-Rod

On 12/5/11 5:27 AM, "Louie Angulo" <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:

h= ey Bill,would it be possible to use this to toggle the looper of the M9 on a= nd off instead of having to press and wait?

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

I= just picked up one of these as a space saving option for a line 6 expressio= n pedal=A0http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=3Dproduct%2F= product&path=3D35&product_id=3D75 <http://r3f= x.com/store/index.php?route=3Dproduct%2Fproduct&path=3D35&product_id=3D75<= /a>> =A0it works great even though you give up the=A0continuous control capab= ility you still get to set two different settings for whatever effects algor= ithm you use, particularly useful when using the smart harmonizer to toggle = intervals or going from run away delay regeneration to no delay quickly I'm = hoping that this guy or someone will come out with the equivalent for trs st= yle expression pedals like the EV-pedals i use ,hopefully also with a minimu= m volume control which i am finding useful with my Wet reverb and my Timefac= tor.
=A0Bill
<http://www.r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=3Dprod= uct%2Fproduct&path=3D35&product_id=3D75>
<= B>Double Preset Box <http://www.r3fx.com/store/in= dex.php?route=3Dproduct%2Fproduct&path=3D35&product_id=3D75>
r3fx.com <http://r3fx.com>
Please note that the Line 6 units can power a red LED without the need for = a battery. A different colored LED requires more power to drive it and will = thus require a battery - that means that the small 1590LB sized enclosure wi= ll not work because a battery will not fit.=A0=A0 If you must have a differ...

--B_3405920045_3209240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 16:31:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B676918345C; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=IJdy2Q1fTSnpRmZPgMON2DWYZ0VEvjRE3Hl9UclM5zQ=; b=U8YiAKdoYrvrSxcKZuehkH+UCd1nLuZzqvD2WT8weVihnlOM1KliRLvHdu4YVv9bcY i8ogYN2jsGfQLD+9yNO2rOokP9k6Tk0oKTsWB4FOacdffRU7qfmavb3yJRvDbVN/wloU xBAVXUdBVz9Lvvr9Iyv2LlKL2jlkBnLaGezvE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:31:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba1efd2e34eb4804b35ada1e Resent-Message-ID: <95w_PB.A.plH.pHP3OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:31:37 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba1efd2e34eb4804b35ada1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't get it. Why wouldn't I just change scenes on the fly? ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Rod Abernethy wrote: > Yep, that would be awesome for the M9. > -Rod > > > On 12/5/11 5:27 AM, "Louie Angulo" wrote: > > hey Bill,would it be possible to use this to toggle the looper of the M9 > on and off instead of having to press and wait? > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, William Walker > wrote: > > I just picked up one of these as a space saving option for a line 6 > expression pedal > http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=product%2Fproduct&path=35&product_id=75< > http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=product%2Fproduct&path=35&product_id=75> > it works great even though you give up the continuous control capability > you still get to set two different settings for whatever effects algorithm > you use, particularly useful when using the smart harmonizer to toggle > intervals or going from run away delay regeneration to no delay quickly I'm > hoping that this guy or someone will come out with the equivalent for trs > style expression pedals like the EV-pedals i use ,hopefully also with a > minimum volume control which i am finding useful with my Wet reverb and my > Timefactor. > Bill > < > http://www.r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=product%2Fproduct&path=35&product_id=75> > > *Double Preset Box < > http://www.r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=product%2Fproduct&path=35&product_id=75> > > *r3fx.com > Please note that the Line 6 units can power a red LED without the need for > a battery. A different colored LED requires more power to drive it and will > thus require a battery - that means that the small 1590LB sized enclosure > will not work because a battery will not fit. If you must have a differ... > > --90e6ba1efd2e34eb4804b35ada1e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't get it.=A0 Why wouldn't I just change scenes on the fly?=A0=
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.c= om
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Rod Aber= nethy <rod@rod= abernethy.com> wrote:

Yep, that would be awes= ome for the M9.
-Rod

On 12/5/11 5:27 AM, "Louie Angulo" <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> = wrote:

hey Bill,would it be possible to use this to toggle the looper of the M9= on and off instead of having to press and wait?

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
I just picked up one of these as a space saving option for a line 6 expr= ession pedal=A0http://r3fx.c= om/store/index.php?route=3Dproduct%2Fproduct&path=3D35&product_id= =3D75 <http://r3fx.co= m/store/index.php?route=3Dproduct%2Fproduct&path=3D35&product_id=3D= 75> =A0it works great even though you give up the=A0continuous contr= ol capability you still get to set two different settings for whatever effe= cts algorithm you use, particularly useful when using the smart harmonizer = to toggle intervals or going from run away delay regeneration to no delay q= uickly I'm hoping that this guy or someone will come out with the equiv= alent for trs style expression pedals like the EV-pedals i use ,hopefully a= lso with a minimum volume control which i am finding useful with my Wet rev= erb and my Timefactor.
=A0Bill
<http://www.r3f= x.com/store/index.php?route=3Dproduct%2Fproduct&path=3D35&product_i= d=3D75>
Double Preset Box <http://www.r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=3Dproduct%2Fproduct&pat= h=3D35&product_id=3D75>
r3fx.com <http://r3fx.com>
Please note that the Line 6 units can power a red LED without the need for = a battery. A different colored LED requires more power to drive it and will= thus require a battery - that means that the small 1590LB sized enclosure = will not work because a battery will not fit.=A0=A0 If you must have a diff= er...

--90e6ba1efd2e34eb4804b35ada1e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 17:44:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD1A183463; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0B2E2437-E7AF-4427-A284-90D5B23C28E8@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--944996673 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:44:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:44:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--944996673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey Bill,would it be possible to use this to toggle the looper of the M9 on and off instead of having to press and wait? nope only for expression pedal ports --Apple-Mail-12--944996673 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey Bill,would it be possible to use this to toggle the looper of the M9 on and off instead of having to press and wait?

nope only for expression pedal ports

--Apple-Mail-12--944996673-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 21:05:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA38D183466; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 24456 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:05:42 UTC From: Glenn Poorman To: Loopers Delight Subject: FS: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus (mint) Thread-Topic: FS: Echoplex Digital Pro Plus (mint) Thread-Index: AcyzV5TTzenI4qCxQuuQTujNoVOxCA== Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:17:00 +0000 Message-ID: <30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA3609D18B@005-TK5MPN1-012.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.143.49.24] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA3609D18B005TK5MPN1012MGDA_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:05:43 +0000 (UTC) --_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA3609D18B005TK5MPN1012MGDA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am selling a mint condition Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. I have two but these days I am only using one and was keeping the other as = a spare. I've since decided to just let it go though and have opted to sell= the one that has seen the least amount of use. The only sign that it has e= ver left the box is some blemishes around the rack ears. The unit came with Loop IV already installed. The manual is a Loop III manu= al with the Loop IV addendum. There is no foot pedal. I am asking $700 plus shipping. If you're interested, please email me at: glenn at poorman dot ws I will be putting a page with a photo up on my website later today (www.det= roitstick.com). Later in the week, it goes to EBay if I don't hear anything. Thanks, Glenn Poorman --_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA3609D18B005TK5MPN1012MGDA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

I am selling a mint condition Echoplex Digital Pro P= lus.

I have two but these days I am only using one and wa= s keeping the other as a spare. I’ve since decided to just let it go = though and have opted to sell the one that has seen the least amount of use= . The only sign that it has ever left the box is some blemishes around the rack ears.

The unit came with Loop IV already installed. The ma= nual is a Loop III manual with the Loop IV addendum. There is no foot pedal= .

I am asking $700 plus shipping. If you’re inte= rested, please email me at:

glenn at poorman dot ws

I will be putting a page with a photo up on my websi= te later today (www.detroitstick.co= m).

Later in the week, it goes to EBay if I don’t = hear anything.

Thanks,

Glenn Poorman

--_000_30C0BEE4EC23DE4D8CEE41296D88EA3609D18B005TK5MPN1012MGDA_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 23:53:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B60A7183464; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VfXEI8BAWeTSuzzxwQCbWp17VXWsy50/HwscMDWtTCQ=; b=W6NbP3UwHDj8h+FneJhsHSCXPeM/tx6xRWDpYFltUWn7gaIfIeNrz1+dQz2aUhstPA LYDB5X8I8lLgXnTHAUr8WG9zJXr4NA2J+eg+tEKabi3jxXA2c6yzI9NrpOT+dDmALfbO D7GjMyB/8+XtJesexJ0MGeeLo/c0SoGQuoBLM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5DE8E3B0-EDF2-40F8-9430-F1B4507ED094@charter.net> References: <5DE8E3B0-EDF2-40F8-9430-F1B4507ED094@charter.net> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 01:53:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Proud Dad displaying sons first Abelton track From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba21241b39c5dc04b36105b6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:53:08 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba21241b39c5dc04b36105b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Left a comment on the timeline, thanks for sharing Mark! 2011/11/26 tEd =AE KiLLiAn > Groovalicious. > > On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:36 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > > I just have to just post this! > > > > http://snd.sc/sdbW0L > > > > Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished track in Abelton... he was > using Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop, But I turned him onto > Abeton, and now... this! > > > > Phew... I really feel like getting my pipe and slippers now! > > > > Regards > > > > One Proud Dad.. > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba21241b39c5dc04b36105b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Left a comment on the timeline, thanks for sharing Mark!

2011/11/26 tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>

Groovalicious.

On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:36 PM, mark francombe wrote:

> I just =A0have to just post this!
>
> http://snd.sc/sdbW0= L
>
> Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished track in Abelton... he was= using Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop, But I turned him onto Ab= eton, and now... this!
>
> Phew... I really feel like getting my pipe and slippers now!
>
> Regards
>
> One Proud Dad..
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

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Petri Lahti= nen

--90e6ba21241b39c5dc04b36105b6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 00:01:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8937183462; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QjXMQ7R4ktyw32FeJfrwzvLzYuqSYwhkVkZ0W2FIAEE=; b=ivaqhrog4B4pFO/m7noY6Jrsw5Dsw2F6VC/hz0qu+/UOfJvBOrDJ3/uwFs8NMFRxph lKB/H5Q3EXp2ymJtJMNEzfhH0BG4gArGbO9Slp9+RuIw3j4pqpgMd9dy0wBrzxGqQxcB qSWZ6SUFwB4dWHy+3q+DCUcpTaCFB5mjLkelM= Message-ID: <4EDD5B47.1050701@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:01:11 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Release_Announcement_-_Akustik_Kies=3A_?= =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Reflexiv_H=F6ren=22?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5b1ujC.A._0G.LtV3OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Dear list, I'm hugely proud to announce the release of the second half of my "Akustik Kies" double album of piano solo music, which bears the subtitle "Reflexiv H�ren", which just got released on Saint Nicholas Day! Like the first half, "Transitiv Sehen", the album contains freely improvised solo piano performances from my MoinSound Studio Sessions performance series. And it's just as good as the first part, if not better. And it also has nifty cover art. However, unlike the first part, it's with loops. Lots of 'em! The looper is (of course) M�bius, the piano is The Grand 3 (and the keyboard is a Kurzweil K2600XS, in case someone is interested ;). Looping-wise, there's a big bandwith of techniques: granular stuff (e.g. "Panthermeisen"), long delay-like (e.g. "Transporttheorie und Glas"). And just in case you've been living under a rock, all of my online releases (including this one) are available as a pay-what-you-want-including-free download. That's right, you can get them for nothing at all - you don't even need to register or something. Background info: http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=299 Direct to download: http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/album/akustik-kies-reflexiv-h-ren As a sidenote, starting now (or actually having started already), I'll be doing completely different things musically in the future. Tell me what you think - and spread the word if you'd be so kind! Yours, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 00:05:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF71C183466; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u4sC12OPiua1v5bm6Tdwa5aACfiiu+2ltdMb1NxUmwk=; b=ZPGJdwSjI4hQn32mawlY2tCDpqY2gC0+q1vqSYTST0ClpfmU1jzj0zQOniWxOybvh8 NQ2oHvlXmMK2hcfhNZw/UriSCYWFgrOhRwv05JA1a+rnZfSgiWoKhZ1J8FP99y1jOVwd NFTerEOK1qNqBc/9/WAT/fqihGHiQvgi2cSCU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 02:05:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Finland's Independence Day From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e83564c8e0104b361328e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:05:44 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e83564c8e0104b361328e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A little thing made out of small loops to commemorate the special day in Finland's history. This piece comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. :-) Just playing this and watching the falling snow here. http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sixth-of-december Greetings from Finland, -- Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba6e83564c8e0104b361328e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 A little thing made out of small loops to commemorate the special day in Finland's history.
This piece comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. :-)
Just playing this and watching the falling snow here.

http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sixth-of-december

Greetings from Finland,
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Petri Lahtinen

--90e6ba6e83564c8e0104b361328e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 02:00:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2C1A183473; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 02:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o4jWlWnTEoMSxeRTlCk4QaKBtK5y37VIEwoP587UeL0=; b=g5A5oezgS/vkVP0ogcHFDjbFzEzihBTX8Z7xy5Bs0ll6Br/T5dLat5KGS4UooQbq02 DUav5te8qSLir0HN60gkedmUCKrWcZd2OD6+uFylrH3hTPLvWYoNvozrY3S+TuLiMvBP 0BcjI2f21n0TAfWhIhc7M91Tr37Oo+3oGvQt4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EDD5B47.1050701@googlemail.com> References: <4EDD5B47.1050701@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:00:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Release_Announcement_=2D_Akustik_Kies=3A_=22Reflexiv_H?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6ren=22?= From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 02:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer, Enjoying it right now. Thought you might like to know that after I've tabulated all my various 'plays' for 2011 in itunes, ipod or exFm, some guy name Rainer Straschill shows up in my top ten (mostly QPDA and MSSS). Keep up the good work, and I look forward to hearing more about this intriguing hint at a new musical direction. Sylvain On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Dear list, > > > I'm hugely proud to announce the release of the second half of my "Akusti= k > Kies" double album of piano solo music, which bears the subtitle "Reflexi= v > H=F6ren", which just got released on Saint Nicholas Day! > > Like the first half, "Transitiv Sehen", the album contains freely improvi= sed > solo piano performances from my MoinSound Studio Sessions performance > series. And it's just as good as the first part, if not better. And it al= so > has nifty cover art. > > However, unlike the first part, it's with loops. Lots of 'em! The looper = is > (of course) M=F6bius, the piano is The Grand 3 (and the keyboard is a Kur= zweil > K2600XS, in case someone is interested ;). Looping-wise, there's a big > bandwith of techniques: granular stuff (e.g. "Panthermeisen"), long > delay-like (e.g. "Transporttheorie und Glas"). > > > And just in case you've been living under a rock, all of my online releas= es > (including this one) are available as a pay-what-you-want-including-free > download. That's right, you can get them for nothing at all - you don't e= ven > need to register or something. > > Background info: http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=3D299 > Direct to download: > http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/album/akustik-kies-reflexiv-h-ren > > As a sidenote, starting now (or actually having started already), I'll be > doing completely different things musically in the future. > > Tell me what you think - and spread the word if you'd be so kind! > > Yours, > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 03:24:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42563183450; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 03:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=umCRGYIZqMDg7OzKh+KBqqW+hNrfGbPvd7EemUS8hCs=; b=VzAA/CpKnoWKyJfy10DEiQ+aM1GNn4VGQ7NQRUPtQX9teP4frj5egwzDk3vauakgVy QPV+Nmv90xWxDGP+TcUcii8283TcxpDqBtpQEJnOG6W0njePYX+s+ARL1j1K3BddnM2A pEAmj/lmHPGzgIeu68Xc+8owFVZ29aBMsowY4= Subject: OT: iRig/appogee From: Jim Goodin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 22:24:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 03:24:54 +0000 (UTC) This was discussed while back I think, I seem to recall Charles offering a r= eview of one of the audio interfaces for iOS devices. I'm thinking about pu= tting one on my suggested family Xmas list. I know the Appogee possibly win= s hands down for clean as it connects thru the dock port but it's pricier al= beit affordable. If anyone has experience with both please give feedback. I= n that the iRig is cheaper but seems functional, how noisy is it? Is it tol= erable or not worth the diff? Thx folks. Jim Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 03:53:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 935D2183473; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 03:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 03:53:43 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=cb6D8fe6fCisppsMOj8bKFUmv8jTItt7JlxABO+XtHM=; b=Fsb2tyuE4d0WXYQjRwwfsuKaqc2KGFMvbqkjgQ/Jc0n7OoIMhSSH2fUfpPN67nWIwMOU1hLcrOczllYj6q1KcBoafGa7+qCTAC5loYKD81eLaIRPxqLgwpKNyGv8NYe4; Message-ID: <20111205214641.246673etouoixvkx@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:46:41 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Proud Dad displaying sons first Abelton track References: <5DE8E3B0-EDF2-40F8-9430-F1B4507ED094@charter.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 03:53:44 +0000 (UTC) That is really fun -- trippy delays and frantic grooves -- lots of =20 great tones that jump out of the mix -- and very clear... the texture =20 is clean and punchy throughout. Glad you shared this! Congratulations Benjamin and dad. -- Kevin Quoting Petri Lahtinen : > Left a comment on the timeline, thanks for sharing Mark! > > 2011/11/26 tEd =AE KiLLiAn > >> Groovalicious. >> >> On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:36 PM, mark francombe wrote: >> >> > I just have to just post this! >> > >> > http://snd.sc/sdbW0L >> > >> > Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished track in Abelton... he was >> using Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop, But I turned him onto >> Abeton, and now... this! >> > >> > Phew... I really feel like getting my pipe and slippers now! >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > One Proud Dad.. >> > >> > -- >> > Mark Francombe >> > www.markfrancombe.com >> > www.ordoabkhao.com >> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> > http://www.looop.no >> > twitter @markfrancombe >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 04:12:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F76F183464; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 04:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IiNyS6xP9w9GNHXLI6HE23+zkwY9F1K9v7m1h66qmpnUUdX5Amtl2NIz+6hrTfa3; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:11:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: iRig/appogee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79043940d1b47e1140f5771e28f52101ca350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 04:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Ugh...!!! I wrote a lengthy reply but iOs5.1 MAIL no longer crashes mid message, it waits till you hit send...!! Long post short: Had Apogee. Sold Apogee... only peterson strobe tuner was compatible!! iRig OK.. bit noisy, but any interface which uses the mic input is. Peavey was not quieter as claimed. Alesis dock thingey seems best of all, if you're in the iPad universe... -Chuck >This was discussed while back I think, I seem to recall Charles >offering a review of one of the audio interfaces for iOS devices. >I'm thinking about putting one on my suggested family Xmas list. I >know the Appogee possibly wins hands down for clean as it connects >thru the dock port but it's pricier albeit affordable. If anyone >has experience with both please give feedback. In that the iRig is >cheaper but seems functional, how noisy is it? Is it tolerable or >not worth the diff? > >Thx folks. > > >Jim > >Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, >http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=mt8 -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 04:54:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8CF183466; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 04:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EA+QbgRycVpNjMEGE8GFbF3WkbtNIa4UzWTz2R5S4rI=; b=QW9gUelb/5QHQ9Wo2c9uZo6Xch6r1Nb1mV5iBsQqqA/vhaadupCT/J9zja+xHKCjSF CDP4rbVyQE/CES+vqCb/km+CGk+6t3lZzhR5mAemtht/x0x8RJqWhR8hWVtwZn6DLv+Q pSB55nqz0+mEZyIkf06vCJec1cMotnjzVjYaI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111205214641.246673etouoixvkx@mail.kevinkissinger.com> References: <5DE8E3B0-EDF2-40F8-9430-F1B4507ED094@charter.net> <20111205214641.246673etouoixvkx@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:54:54 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Proud Dad displaying sons first Abelton track From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6137188175a804b3653c2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 04:54:56 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6137188175a804b3653c2c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Awesome, I'd be glad to call that track my own. Nice! On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:46 PM, wrote: > That is really fun -- trippy delays and frantic grooves -- lots of great > tones that jump out of the mix -- and very clear... the texture is clean > and punchy throughout. > > Glad you shared this! Congratulations Benjamin and dad. > > -- Kevin > > > > Quoting Petri Lahtinen : > > Left a comment on the timeline, thanks for sharing Mark! >> >> 2011/11/26 tEd =AE KiLLiAn >> >> Groovalicious. >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:36 PM, mark francombe wrote: >>> >>> > I just have to just post this! >>> > >>> > http://snd.sc/sdbW0L >>> > >>> > Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished track in Abelton... he wa= s >>> using Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop, But I turned him onto >>> Abeton, and now... this! >>> > >>> > Phew... I really feel like getting my pipe and slippers now! >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > >>> > One Proud Dad.. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Mark Francombe >>> > www.markfrancombe.com >>> > www.ordoabkhao.com >>> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> > http://www.looop.no >>> > twitter @markfrancombe >>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/**24478662@N00/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Petri Lahtinen >> >> > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com --90e6ba6137188175a804b3653c2c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Awesome, I'd be glad to call that track my own. Nice!

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:46 PM, <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com= > wrote:

That is really fun -- trippy delays and fra= ntic grooves -- lots of great tones that jump out of the mix -- and very cl= ear... the texture is clean and punchy throughout.

Glad you shared this! =A0Congratulations Benjamin and dad.

-- Kevin

Quoting Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>:

Left a comment on the timeline, thanks for sharing Mark!

2011/11/26 tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>

Groovalicious.

On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:36 PM, mark francombe wrote:

> I just =A0have to just post this!
>
> http://snd.sc/sdbW0= L
>
> Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished track in Abelton... he was=
using Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop, But I turned him onto
Abeton, and now... this!
>
> Phew... I really feel like getting my pipe and slippers now!
>
> Regards
>
> One Proud Dad..
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

--
Petri Lahtinen

--
= Art Simon
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--90e6ba6137188175a804b3653c2c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 07:29:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4330E183466; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 07:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:29:02 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 07:29:10 +0000 (UTC) "I don't get it. Why wouldn't I just change scenes on the fly? " I'm not sure what your question is, I've always used expression pedals with line 6 stuff to vary the degree and depth of what ever effects I'm using. this little double preset switch does the same thing only its not continuously variable like an expression pedal is but it still gives you two completely different settings for what ever effect you are using. On way to not have to toggle between the looper function and presets is to use a small midi controller to send cc messages to the M-9 , one of which will toggle in to the looper very quickly, you would have to check the advanced guide but all of the loopers functions can be controlled this way. I have used my I phone running osc and a missing link wireless to midi converter on an M-5 to change programs but you could use it on any of the M series stuff. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 09:44:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C68D183464; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 319580.41126.bm@omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1323164657; bh=vTUn/dmf+X2WatWSN+v/56d8arUTPlUVwcqukB1K2mc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NO5XLRL2L5aRWy4SRbuS5KL7O0EhWH4Ntgai6NINJBvnb6iTA0jPzYqFA9A9epJrX98+/0fzTpoMcHtUlIlYW7bC4Tr9waoKKxM22Bo+eYozpZxyyD5rBOhnYA8QydJD3WtRFoqQnnN7AhGiQYUmvCUpuSp7ULc7JZ5Ky9w7+9E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ls8UMgo1jyuBP1wrCFspZxEReK7M2CP2tGrzZgF5pOq2oxmx4eMzCitInIp2w9k8BlGHf8vEKiVM1IgBe0GNP/99lpUt990Ff30nGBfmYqhXcl8yCTvuBQvAlAzS8NTe7Nf01/Owc6IQCxUsIAQtZ163CvB0Jh8Y0dHPEBdOogg=; X-YMail-OSG: c_Eo.igVM1kqwZKR2EQvgE1P3fD2OdS15_bYhOfJfWnGifO _EVRCB0UfIUIvj1Yj6vCiAOOc7KKQw.eeS5rj9RmQFpKUuvDwI_ef57vjdjj jJ99yBkdG7bsFTiD6PnHkOTC.d0IdZ0go_rSdTppUwDNEIIfHNd7j8CVmHb9 GdfFhiPdBjMR3hZcv67HIvoo1VLE3zH5Vuw_sjXOOscbcBdwxUjpNXPAwLdQ 521wYb7IaUKdYyU5Af7hTJi9QJG9SS98Io2zWVr58jPh.DYOpoI6wDo_iD4G T1KRRXf.ns9RwayNXrLO81nH9gEImdR56RjzCm7NYHUBuk6XJRTa1GSsc9Es xV09INOeIcifZVJXWGIqprrJ_rGrEAjCnVdlOKw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: Message-ID: <1323164656.41011.YahooMailNeo@web24609.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:44:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Scott Reply-To: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Bill said:=0A>One way to not have to toggle between the looper function and= presets is to use a small midi controller to send cc messages to the M-9 ,= one of which will toggle in to >the looper very quickly.=0A=0AI do exactly= this using my little SU10 and assigning the ribbon controller to midi no. = 84 (iirc); toggling the looper immediately on/off is then just a matter of = pressing the top/bottom of the ribbon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 11:20:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4602B183466; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 11:20:13 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-12-06_03:2011-12-06,2011-12-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1112060036 Subject: Re: OT: iRig/appogee References: From: Teddy Kumpel X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-reply-to: Message-id: <2E9B58E0-0E18-4D46-8052-26A1AF8A8D50@mac.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:20:14 +0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Line 6 mobile in seems good here!!! Teddy K http://teddyjam.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 12:46:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79901183462; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=U/enNfuHMvDeD2lsmAQke+pWkJGICuC6wO9EaBjjz+0=; b=iLfx+PbQqBN46f16YxZl/PUNHxXiuINNYArMZ61kQNa2V30nZpteXMWFsTMK1E+AkB TwscrMe5GtHHANvBFcsWMybkCkmmQEHd5qS/Jc6fOJF98yLniI9iRNnY43xsZhDatQ/O hT6AoIdFMQb2x0Aj+weAtc45T5N1WR74uSfJE= References: <4EDD5B47.1050701@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) From: Jim Goodin Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_Release_Announcement_-_Akustik_Kies:_"Reflexiv_H?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6ren"?= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 07:46:29 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Echoing some of Sylvain here, the release Rainer is grand. Listened to main= ly last night on tip home and will continue on my morning communicate. One o= f the things i love in addition to being the R man is continuing in a direct= ion withe the piano/keyboard, is the way some of the reverse sweep delays ar= e mixed with the live piano voicings. So far a very creatively cool release= . Jim Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Sylvain Poitras wro= te: > Hi Rainer, > Enjoying it right now. Thought you might like to know that after I've > tabulated all my various 'plays' for 2011 in itunes, ipod or exFm, > some guy name Rainer Straschill shows up in my top ten (mostly QPDA > and MSSS). Keep up the good work, and I look forward to hearing more > about this intriguing hint at a new musical direction. > Sylvain >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Rainer Straschill > wrote: >> Dear list, >>=20 >>=20 >> I'm hugely proud to announce the release of the second half of my "Akusti= k >> Kies" double album of piano solo music, which bears the subtitle "Reflexi= v >> H=C3=B6ren", which just got released on Saint Nicholas Day! >>=20 >> Like the first half, "Transitiv Sehen", the album contains freely improvi= sed >> solo piano performances from my MoinSound Studio Sessions performance >> series. And it's just as good as the first part, if not better. And it al= so >> has nifty cover art. >>=20 >> However, unlike the first part, it's with loops. Lots of 'em! The looper i= s >> (of course) M=C3=B6bius, the piano is The Grand 3 (and the keyboard is a K= urzweil >> K2600XS, in case someone is interested ;). Looping-wise, there's a big >> bandwith of techniques: granular stuff (e.g. "Panthermeisen"), long >> delay-like (e.g. "Transporttheorie und Glas"). >>=20 >>=20 >> And just in case you've been living under a rock, all of my online releas= es >> (including this one) are available as a pay-what-you-want-including-free >> download. That's right, you can get them for nothing at all - you don't e= ven >> need to register or something. >>=20 >> Background info: http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=3D299 >> Direct to download: >> http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/album/akustik-kies-reflexiv-h-ren >>=20 >> As a sidenote, starting now (or actually having started already), I'll be= >> doing completely different things musically in the future. >>=20 >> Tell me what you think - and spread the word if you'd be so kind! >>=20 >> Yours, >>=20 >>=20 >> Rainer >>=20 >> -- >> http://moinlabs.de >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 14:11:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F7EC183473; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=DYYwecFbA0EAJTqyl3Lj25OgQvfN2OcOxBuaUy0E8HQ=; b=mZImCei9G7+2VBK83mgOaDqqMHh0+WbrjP0hTwDLjo5vOd1lUw+XmYokCYZfLCqGCe B4fkPX/7qZCHaMqhbD5ApLGo/X6con8PNb9hW+7vIT9Apg0DfWSypdLu33tkZUl5BhyJ ocqRoUAMhMrNmU0SPEHJMPtj/dGZ765CWmyDk= References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: OT: iRig/appogee Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:11:28 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Charles hanks for the reminder message. I wasn't sure of the info but now re= call what you suggested re the alesia. IRig gets lot of press it seems and h= as the efx app which is useful to me but I do hear much about noise. Yes it= will be for iPad. Best andthx Jim Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Ugh...!!! >=20 > I wrote a lengthy reply but iOs5.1 MAIL no longer crashes mid message, it= waits till you hit send...!! >=20 > Long post short: Had Apogee. Sold Apogee... only peterson strobe tuner wa= s compatible!! > iRig OK.. bit noisy, but any interface which uses the mic input is. Peave= y was not quieter as claimed. >=20 > Alesis dock thingey seems best of all, if you're in the iPad universe... >=20 > -Chuck >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> This was discussed while back I think, I seem to recall Charles offering a= review of one of the audio interfaces for iOS devices. I'm thinking about p= utting one on my suggested family Xmas list. I know the Appogee possibly wi= ns hands down for clean as it connects thru the dock port but it's pricier a= lbeit affordable. If anyone has experience with both please give feedback. = In that the iRig is cheaper but seems functional, how noisy is it? Is it t= olerable or not worth the diff? >>=20 >> Thx folks. >>=20 >>=20 >> Jim >>=20 >> Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/a= pp/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >=20 > http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 18:41:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2A1F183463; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JYQwT89OkoMbW13G/zzyz+jfTSwsG1V2eUxSKuVCr4o=; b=buAYB5Ux0ZIv+b4D8IoYQF+JgUjVAKoGZK9Uybj0JiGlchnE3kIZ46zvMM/dlAnMVg 0h5JMhFk8TzgW1tst1MqnVsE4quW1KwOXXokM89m8biCoG10qSXn6WJV/OOcgipSeTbJ XyA12gbwF9l0qO+UrhjmmFOkpWLFqcE5aa+t0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 19:41:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Finland's Independence Day From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <8rt9UC.A.BlG.3Hm3OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Freezing cool! Petri 2011/12/6, Petri Lahtinen : > A little thing made out of small loops to commemorate the special day in > Finland's history. > This piece comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. :-) > Just playing this and watching the falling snow here. > > http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sixth-of-december > > Greetings from Finland, > -- > Petri Lahtinen > -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 22:56:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE540183464; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kM6PLMlw2EpHQQp1xFMPmnMJyw+ZdATK4MSuC5Xp4cg=; b=WDd0zV4aZ5YaaLDou9KoVr8FHbZrqnZ6n1SdwyTVfny7Lu+wdQMPXTsaVihTHObAJP VhZWIurqGMz8yVmgXt9CPCljJexwt+QDg6x9oqLD0A1HffOXJIrei8pDtZQ9U+XF/m8L EnNT+cCZuir6ob5uHMUsGZmfuCfyW3wNHWAfc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 00:56:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Finland's Independence Day From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f923a9cf0955b04b3745811 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:56:37 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f923a9cf0955b04b3745811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ra=FCl ! http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/track/6122011 Here's the final mastered version with some elements added - but the length's still 09:09 :-) And do not take me as some nationalist! :-) Piece is more a reflection of living in this country in these really strange times. -Petri- 2011/12/6 Ra=FCl Bonell > Freezing cool! Petri > > 2011/12/6, Petri Lahtinen : > > A little thing made out of small loops to commemorate the special day i= n > > Finland's history. > > This piece comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. :-) > > Just playing this and watching the falling snow here. > > > > http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sixth-of-december > > > > Greetings from Finland, > > -- > > Petri Lahtinen > > > > > -- > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f923a9cf0955b04b3745811 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ra=FCl !

http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/track/6122011

Here'= ;s the final mastered version with some elements added - but the length'= ;s still 09:09 :-)

And do not take me as some nationalist! :-)
Piece is more a reflecti= on of living in this country in these really strange times.

-Petri-<= br>

2011/12/6 Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>=

Freezing cool! Petri

2011/12/6, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>:

> A little thing made out of sma= ll loops to commemorate the special day in
> Finland's history.
> This piece comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. :-)
> Just playing this and watching the falling snow here.
>
> http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sixth-of-december
>
> Greetings from Finland,
> --
> Petri Lahtinen
>

--
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion,
they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.
For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.

Kim Flint
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
raulbonell.tumbl= r.com - collective.= com

--
Petri Lah= tinen

--e89a8f923a9cf0955b04b3745811-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 03:18:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84E3C183461; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 03:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AukjW+EMg+L/PNFbw8CiIFRzUe4r6Kr4yAl6egHxxjQ=; b=kRJLRpzKjpnxfvTGuEfjYm8FHEtg+ZkXrwvG97KFlxX0kNXvBo6IrE31Irz1OxCXWO pRCaeTrSWWZvO+vN1lyJ3wMJPyljATQwOxqofjhMumqQxQhvsrfyMbPKKlQEjZknZKmK NzZSmoXtU7LbKJNkg6OqZpDevaW0eVzhb1ja4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 19:18:43 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Finland's Independence Day From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015176f17205131a404b37802c6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 03:18:45 +0000 (UTC) --0015176f17205131a404b37802c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loved it! Very nice! On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Thanks Ra=FCl ! > > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/track/6122011 > > Here's the final mastered version with some elements added - but the > length's still 09:09 :-) > > And do not take me as some nationalist! :-) > Piece is more a reflection of living in this country in these really > strange times. > > -Petri- > > > 2011/12/6 Ra=FCl Bonell > >> Freezing cool! Petri >> >> 2011/12/6, Petri Lahtinen : >> > A little thing made out of small loops to commemorate the special day = in >> > Finland's history. >> > This piece comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. :-) >> > Just playing this and watching the falling snow here. >> > >> > http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sixth-of-december >> > >> > Greetings from Finland, >> > -- >> > Petri Lahtinen >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your >> imagination, >> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. >> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated= . >> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. >> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >> >> Kim Flint >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com --0015176f17205131a404b37802c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loved it! Very nice!

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 = at 2:56 PM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Thanks Ra=FCl !

http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/track/6122011

Here's the final mastered version with some elements added - = but the length's still 09:09 :-)

And do not take me as some nationalist! :-)
Piece is more a reflecti= on of living in this country in these really strange times.

-Petri-<= div class=3D"HOEnZb">

2= 011/12/6 Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>

Freezing cool! Petri

2011/12/6, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>:

> A little thing made out of small loops to commemorate the sp= ecial day in
> Finland's history.
> This piece comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. :-)
> Just playing this and watching the falling snow here.
>
> http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sixth-of-december
>
> Greetings from Finland,
> --
> Petri Lahtinen
>

--
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion,
they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.
For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.

Kim Flint
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
raulbonell.tumbl= r.com - collective.= com

--
Petri Lahtinen

-- Art Simon
simart= @gmail.com

--0015176f17205131a404b37802c6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 03:58:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F2E318345D; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 03:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 774451.11074.bm@omp1013.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1323230281; bh=0hQEsFwyn3Gc+orhvyGs0jL5XFUZmiYUoQPDOoDbnxg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W7tsLsYjPKN7+UUnfnR5KpRJMSAQFJFSzfk1DGH6Fb8eLznZsKszFi7IC8rh7acQATAppsFCtbat2b1Sylp6Ykxq74pntnzikI5B76tAdmVzgM+pFNqVw2fMBsNdoHKbKhvb+jqunUqfY5YCNif9irhIL3D4aaFNYmxf0xp/+JQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=COgaMSQqYO7yTh22cmUi5tvTNMWR62es+iszdxz2+R2hFh4/R/tOoC3SdqJEVC5+7fb7EvWQOj0hWQns0ACA+jIedUS4FxA7ML/p8nQ/C5AcKqHCsyC0BflOELTyMcYWi3a3eaypoodjR5+91nYuMgPoSSfohBsHhRTvU8AQ6tA=; X-YMail-OSG: Cgc38P4VM1nf0sG3WrH8WrSM8eCbgI8hVUIi94PDlOBtNM4 o5rs3F6URaXy4gCTbuewBrl7vgucmXQfrmm6kS5zsUKCQoix6pLiofqx_VOX c7j4Uh6GG3_m08TwXfq5e7fziS_oxR51M34R_njx7tyv3QWI0ch8QqERYCYl LFAUTouFH4SI8YxVdR2iiEp8NNyZMxX_RvyvUOm63kWrlCkbG2R.JowNladS wQ37lahjECPiBh_uGfxCbIlD9evZ4EzYTcUfXHsjZF7AO2QHsfzkdcc2c2QH Afwus.SMvjcflP8DEZXbinoQH0F_nJX1lc6F9nleFoTohuYqys5xsCmVU9gu PEgGKFTfvT3HON9RAg.rW0NevI1dJ0D4K15.VLqaA0nzMslN3PgZCYLpP.t8 4.tvkMq1Ux4nrZZtHsJbGPErwtGOBRjDlctVo2FJVB0a1.JZ15Xiyr._Qwmm 5Nis.6SB1nD0- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <4ED6AD75.4090108@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1323230281.35198.YahooMailNeo@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 19:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Norman Thibodeau Reply-To: Norman Thibodeau Subject: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="258328648-1117627281-1323230281=:35198" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 03:58:02 +0000 (UTC) --258328648-1117627281-1323230281=:35198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bass, not contrabass, flute? Who made it?=0A=0ANorman T.=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0A From: Per Boysen =0ATo: Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:17 = PM=0ASubject: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping=0A =0AOn Wed, Nov 30= , 2011 at 11:25 PM, Rick Walker wrote:=0A> God, =A0wh= at does a bass saxaphone cost? =A0 I can't even imagine.=0A=0AI just happen= to know that a good bass flute did cost a person I know=0A$22171. Mind-bog= gling fact.=0A=0APer --258328648-1117627281-1323230281=:35198 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bass, not contrabass, flute? Who made it?

Norman T.

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmai= l.com>
To: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent= : Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Loopi= ng

=0AOn Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Rick Walker <= looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> God, =A0what does a bass saxapho= ne cost? =A0 I can't even imagine.

I just happen to know that a good= bass flute did cost a person I know
$22171. Mind-boggling fact.

= Per

--258328648-1117627281-1323230281=:35198-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 13:44:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EFAA183466; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:44:39 +0000 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: KMI Softstep Message-ID: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:0124quTEvt5n7ZvfS1HFDuE7oauB2vCUu3Ib4cuRa0EU64D6/UAB8=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, The KMI Softstep has been discussed quite a bit here previously, I am aware, but not for a while. Looking through the previous threads there were some teething troubles with the software and some complaints about the pads sticking. The very small size of the thing was a concern as well (particularly among those with larger feet!). So, after some time has passed: Are people still using it? Liking it? Is it all the foot controller you'll ever need or does it need to be supplemented with something else? Is it worth the money? All responses appreciated. Philip. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 13:58:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17921183474; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 710182390/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.125/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.125 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar4RABNw305V0rF9/2dsb2JhbAAMN5gMkSkBhBQBAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAO2KIgcgxgEmiGMbQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,313,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="710182390" Message-ID: <4EDF7125.1090202@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:59:01 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KMI Softstep References: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Philip Conway wrote: > Is it all the foot controller you'll ever need if that's what you're looking for then also check this out http://www.gordius.be/ andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 14:08:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 846B6183465; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yRP4k8uwxzRVavnCR4vjnUqATAK4GxVOkZvqIyF+qKc=; b=kn3iTzomJfoRpsj+zjSvaGh7JaANRpTc95yRbJh4LOsoOKrJYY0sQ2jqGwOS7gwwym Dq18aVK9OnijDwLCXhOcCeNEs0rUKtPEJ+9mlHfrf5F5WuPecZSzdJNLMdVctIKa6n0u cz8RqOKEz060ZIaUBnOtFBCbiIDOjIAXjRSeE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EDF7125.1090202@tiscali.co.uk> References: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <4EDF7125.1090202@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:08:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KMI Softstep From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:08:25 +0000 (UTC) > Philip Conway wrote: >> Is it all the foot controller you'll ever need > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM, andy butler wrote: > if that's what you're looking for then also check this out > > http://www.gordius.be/ > > andy > I fully agree with Andy on that! Never regretted leaving the Softstep pre order list to buy a Little Giant instead. I still monitor the Softstep experiment with the greatest excitement but when it comes to real world gigging the LG is where I put my feet down. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 14:11:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38C3D183461; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=y7s0GiA9xt7mk/LfvouKyOrc1dFwwg9QW9pyjCBSLiw=; b=GQ/4AHTLefYOm0kY/BuKIQMlp5Xbwbbyq8Tnz7PQ2XVR2e0CSmiVFDYewJJE1MKz7f YosmER9IJjhK1SwDD9Rz2UVn+hJu5KQs4eZgVv916QpmFTFHdHBIsSWTCy0Qb21UM0qw rfzoUhJG+VSLuC3kh0qdX+fMhrE696Xp9rJ1c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <4EDF7125.1090202@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:11:20 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2SueQXnTxRmnz74K9aC0yLq5hGo Message-ID: Subject: Re: KMI Softstep To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303a31b182db5604b38121cd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:11:43 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303a31b182db5604b38121cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And I'm still saving up for one after sending the SS back... (I hear its made some huge improvements though) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Philip Conway wrote: > >> Is it all the foot controller you'll ever need > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > if that's what you're looking for then also check this out > > > > http://www.gordius.be/ > > > > andy > > > > when it comes to > real world gigging the LG is where I put my feet down. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303a31b182db5604b38121cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I'm still saving up for one after sending the SS back... (I hear it= s made some huge improvements though)

On = Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Philip Conway wrote:=
>> Is it all the foot controller you'll ever need
>

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote= :
> if that's what you're looking for then also check this out
>
> http://www.gordiu= s.be/
>
> andy
>

when it comes to
real world gigging the LG is where I put my feet down.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf303a31b182db5604b38121cd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 14:17:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA009183465; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xePm79VvSSyQdUcCuYZAJljXRTlT2K8FQ0o41JlVZ30=; b=pNkCLMaz9Z0IvfKV5ZCvLBp1jiNZTRnrHtdxTqZ/FxbgqZaz+eFwmoHTAYumHlEswD lSehMMnxP4QAmwhEZVtPmy+84iRUvuVBxkQW5Hc5S9+5/qmPgk7gy8kurdbVk2nUQT0O +J7Tkugm/ooHHrtEr+KQBzxwAI1QDL/cgr+mo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <4EDF7125.1090202@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:17:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KMI Softstep From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:17:40 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:11 PM, mark francombe wrote: > (I hear its made some huge improvements though) A new firmware with many new cool functions. Not only for use as a traditional MIDI foot controller but even to pick up the role as MIDI-system-central-brain-commander-unit. It can send out sweeps from a couple of seconds to about three minute's length, handle MIDI clock sync and tempo issues and more. The computer software for programming the box is very easy to use, on Windows as well as Mac. Anyone interested can download the PDF manuals to check out the details (URL just posted by Andy) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 14:18:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACC33183463; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Nah67Kc25Ff93JgtbhgdESfTx4hBRpD8sz8iTomNvIs=; b=qEljb8Jbf59vTfp7m4QU8RAUL9R5l4tGG5WHIm27XsfeEsdALdle/ZWSLPaFsE5lqt /y9effYnE16Am9p4tx90KQxC7cDE9AXyitZ2+7s7wIbuXZJMgOplB+EP7eWksa7vKREb 9lWQs5raqFAszzNskP4/AEYjy+KzdQq5802m4= Subject: Re: KMI Softstep References: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <4EDF7125.1090202@tiscali.co.uk> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18816247-BF95-48AC-8CDE-9E992AC870EF X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9E524783-750D-48DA-8431-C9F9C31006AE@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:18:06 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <2vXAfB.A.WXH.mW33OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:18:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-18816247-BF95-48AC-8CDE-9E992AC870EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm actually lovin it. Especially its weight which is nothing. I miss my two= controller pedals, ( softstep only has one) but then again, I have 10 cc p= edals on one bank! Programmability is amazing, takes a while to grok though= . Depending on your needs, it can indeed be the be all end all, with all res= pect to the Gordius and my other colleagues.=20 Imagine carrying a pedal which is only the thickness of a legal pad though! Be sure to check out Keith's quNeo too! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:11 AM, mark francombe wrote: > And I'm still saving up for one after sending the SS back... (I hear its m= ade some huge improvements though) >=20 > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Philip Conway wrote: > >> Is it all the foot controller you'll ever need > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM, andy butler wrote= : > > if that's what you're looking for then also check this out > > > > http://www.gordius.be/ > > > > andy > > >=20 > when it comes to > real world gigging the LG is where I put my feet down. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-18816247-BF95-48AC-8CDE-9E992AC870EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

I'm actually lovin it. Esp= ecially its weight which is nothing. I miss my two controller pedals, ( soft= step only has one) but then again, I have 10 cc pedals on one bank! &n= bsp;Programmability is amazing, takes a while to grok though. Depending on y= our needs, it can indeed be the be all end all, with all respect to the Gord= ius and my other colleagues.

Imagine carrying= a pedal which is only the thickness of a legal pad though!

Be sure to check out Keith's quNeo too!

Sent from my iPhone<= /div>

On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:11 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

And I'm still saving up for one a= fter sending the SS back... (I hear its made some huge improvements though)<= br>
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Per Boysen= <perboysen@gmai= l.com> wrote:

> Philip Conway wrote: >> Is it all the foot controller you'll ever need
>

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:<= br> > if that's what you're looking for then also check this out
>
> http://www.gordius= .be/
>
> andy
>

when it comes to
real world gigging the LG is where I put my feet down.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com=
http://www.yo= utube.com/perboysen

--
<= u>Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

= --Apple-Mail-18816247-BF95-48AC-8CDE-9E992AC870EF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 14:35:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EAC3183465; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=wXT0yJ8rmZCx2HusDGhbKZeHpAhlbLKWovHgqrOeZ80=; b=rG6a/52ktR29Okne5puW80wK00od7olu5jpoLXpRVcpOmOd+5NVe6wA44KebAPf2m/ N9zeHQHdB2V1Pr/8XdTd2ADaqeK6+9ulxi92mfK3tSkd+iZt8+ok8XabsFtR+1XZQDpt 0Rv11f4R414Y8sQkl/TH9M34zON1DaFJWvjvo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <4EDF7125.1090202@tiscali.co.uk>

From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:35:00 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: o43VkJPPXeKGPI28t-T4FLvCN40 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KMI Softstep To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504501754845297904b38176cd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:35:23 +0000 (UTC) --00504501754845297904b38176cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 YOu are talking about the Gordius here arnt you? By the way you quoted me (and I was talking saying the SS had improved, as Todd can confirm) I thought you meant the SS for a sec... I am literally DROOLING for a Gordius, what the f*** is Xmas doing in the way of saving??? M On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:11 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > (I hear its made some huge improvements though) > > A new firmware with many new cool functions. Not only for use as a > traditional MIDI foot controller but even to pick up the role as > MIDI-system-central-brain-commander-unit. It can send out sweeps from > a couple of seconds to about three minute's length, handle MIDI clock > sync and tempo issues and more. The computer software for programming > the box is very easy to use, on Windows as well as Mac. Anyone > interested can download the PDF manuals to check out the details (URL > just posted by Andy) > > Per > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --00504501754845297904b38176cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable YOu are talking about the Gordius here arnt you? By the way you quoted me (= and I was talking saying the SS had improved, as Todd can confirm) I though= t you meant the SS for a sec...

I am literally DROOLING for a Gordiu= s, what the f*** is Xmas doing in the way of saving???

M

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Per= Boysen <perboy= sen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:11 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote: > (I hear its made some huge improvements though)

A new firmware with many new cool functions. Not only for use as a traditional MIDI foot controller but even to pick up the role as
MIDI-system-central-brain-commander-unit. It can send out sweeps from
a couple of seconds to about three minute's length, handle MIDI clock sync and tempo issues and more. The computer software for programming
the box is very easy to use, on Windows as well as Mac. Anyone
interested can download the PDF manuals to check out the details (URL
just posted by Andy)

Per

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KMI Softstep From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I was talking about the Gordius. I thought you asked about improvements in the Gordius, as you posted it right after some Gordius text. And I really couldn't imagine it being that hard to save up for the Softstep, as it is much less expensive than the Gordius. Hope this doesn't confuse to much. Per On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:35 PM, mark francombe wrote: > YOu are talking about the Gordius here arnt you? By the way you quoted me > (and I was talking saying the SS had improved, as Todd can confirm) I > thought you meant the SS for a sec... > > I am literally DROOLING for a Gordius, what the f*** is Xmas doing in the > way of saving??? > > M > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:11 PM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > (I hear its made some huge improvements though) >> >> A new firmware with many new cool functions. Not only for use as a >> traditional MIDI foot controller but even to pick up the role as >> MIDI-system-central-brain-commander-unit. It can send out sweeps from >> a couple of seconds to about three minute's length, handle MIDI clock >> sync and tempo issues and more. The computer software for programming >> the box is very easy to use, on Windows as well as Mac. Anyone >> interested can download the PDF manuals to check out the details (URL >> just posted by Andy) >> >> Per >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 14:53:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 946EA183473; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tQDfUbCCbNQK2vSv+QbSSnoiu+pUXSZmWG5Qi8ZsLn0=; b=Fa3uw0hJIISptZr1uPzDGlPl8yjFOy+eg9B33F2K+1dIMP0hU6cdNSh5EH7T9JWOSQ Syik1P3jt9MlqWKwN4wSZ+Artnr2gb/TfvByXgV02OTSRshx8RnmrIiPHjXhZJVtHpAY /kpuxH+jgR2DtXFC1DVcub1R8HNpTfTwGhblQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:53:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Finland's Independence Day From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba21241bb8480f04b381b870 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:53:59 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba21241bb8480f04b381b870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Art! :-) 2011/12/7 Art Simon > Loved it! Very nice! > > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Petri Lahtinen < > kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Ra=FCl ! >> >> http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/track/6122011 >> >> Here's the final mastered version with some elements added - but the >> length's still 09:09 :-) >> >> And do not take me as some nationalist! :-) >> Piece is more a reflection of living in this country in these really >> strange times. >> >> -Petri- >> >> >> 2011/12/6 Ra=FCl Bonell >> >>> Freezing cool! Petri >>> >>> 2011/12/6, Petri Lahtinen : >>> > A little thing made out of small loops to commemorate the special day >>> in >>> > Finland's history. >>> > This piece comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. :-) >>> > Just playing this and watching the falling snow here. >>> > >>> > http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sixth-of-december >>> > >>> > Greetings from Finland, >>> > -- >>> > Petri Lahtinen >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >>> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your >>> imagination, >>> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. >>> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulate= d. >>> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. >>> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >>> >>> Kim Flint >>> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >>> raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Petri Lahtinen >> >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba21241bb8480f04b381b870 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Art! :-)

2011/12/7 Art Sim= on <simart@gmail.c= om>

Loved it! Very nice!

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Ra=FCl !

http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/track/6122011

Here's the final mastered version with some elements added - = but the length's still 09:09 :-)

And do not take me as some nationalist! :-)
Piece is more a reflecti= on of living in this country in these really strange times.

-Petri-<= div>

2011/12/6 Ra=FCl Bonell <r= aul.bonell@gmail.com>

Freezing cool! Petri

2011/12/6, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>:

> A little thing made out of small loops to commemorate the sp= ecial day in
> Finland's history.
> This piece comes from nowhere and it goes nowhere. :-)
> Just playing this and watching the falling snow here.
>
> http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/sixth-of-december
>
> Greetings from Finland,
> --
> Petri Lahtinen
>

--
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion,
they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.
For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.

Kim Flint
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
raulbonell.tumbl= r.com - collective.= com

--
Petri Lahtinen

--
Art Simon
<= a href=3D"mailto:simart@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">simart@gmail.com

--
Petri Lah= tinen

--90e6ba21241bb8480f04b381b870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 15:15:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15CB1183486; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c39e7589-314d-4d23-9d42-e48914feaf21_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: Floating in Just Waves (Live looped guitar in JUST intervals and lenghts.. COOL !!!) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:15:27 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2011 15:15:27.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D0B03A0:01CCB4F3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:15:28 +0000 (UTC) --_c39e7589-314d-4d23-9d42-e48914feaf21_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > another experiment but this came out GREAT:.. JUST as i hoped..http://so= undcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/floating-in-just-vawes And what am I doing.. ALL is live sampled guitar.. no canned loopsSampling = on 4 tracks and playing back with slower speed and all set to diffrent rate= s accordeign to just intonation intervals. Each track is the played back wi= th lenght och the sequencer track set so that the whole sample is played...= this way all playback track have diffrent lenghts also in "just" intervals= ...Then i improvise/play a melody over my sampled guitar and sometimes samp= ling guitar again...the intervals:Just interval Playback Rate = Sequencer Steps.......5/4...................40...........................= ......44......3/2....................48.................................40.= ......9/8................. .36.................................46.......15/= 8............... .60.................................34 So the different loop lenghts gives a organic and evolving feel=2C first I = have all loops recorded at once later I sometimes re-record all or most oft= en one of the loops..=20 All is done 100% live with guitar into Elektron Octatrack straight into rec= order...=20 ENJOY = --_c39e7589-314d-4d23-9d42-e48914feaf21_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>=3B &nb= sp=3Banother experiment but this came out GREAT:.. JUST as i hoped..=

http= ://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/floating-in-just-vawes

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And what = am I doing.. ALL is live sampled guitar.. no canned loops

= Sampling on 4 t= racks and playing back with slower speed and all set to diffrent rates acco= rdeign to just intonation intervals. Each track is the played back with len= ght och the sequencer track set so that the whole sample is played... this = way all playback track have diffrent lenghts also in "just" intervals...

= Then i improvise/play a melody over my sampled guitar and sometimes samplin= g guitar again...

the intervals:

Just interval Playback Rate =3B =3B =3B &nbs= p=3B =3B =3B =3B Sequencer Steps

.......5/4...............= ....40.................................44

......3/2....................48= .................................40

.......9/8................. .36......= ...........................46

.......15/8............... =3B.60.....= ............................34

So the different loop lenghts gives= a organic and evolving feel=2C first I have all loops recorded at once lat= er I sometimes re-record all or most often one of the loops.. =3B

All is done 100% live with guitar into Elektron Octatrack straight into= recorder... =3B

ENJOY

= --_c39e7589-314d-4d23-9d42-e48914feaf21_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 15:17:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4E6918348C; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ym9lVgxreP7wFitTmq4Xdf5iQhnqsI4ACyT4fy2E+Ro=; b=X9elhcFG5e9yxdvNysGaXc5KUmCcG1UTvOixxYH+6eYVUFFLD2TwTMXzGUu9REjdJ6 YzrMme84coRO+r6McJ6e31GIrHj/u4p9b3GaoTWAQXpB+omhP2f8MZF/hIpwN+/zy6v4 2wJ6xAMoRWKftEFPQwF9cGlSxjB4oVRJW/Ie0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:17:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Floating in Just Waves (Live looped guitar in JUST intervals and lenghts.. COOL !!!) From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151773e4f23a002b04b3820d03 Resent-Message-ID: <7F-fbB.A.wz.QO43OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:17:36 +0000 (UTC) --00151773e4f23a002b04b3820d03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yep, I like it --00151773e4f23a002b04b3820d03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 yep, I like it

--00151773e4f23a002b04b3820d03-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 16:37:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88EB3183462; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_39509335-a77b-4f59-81cb-483dac840bb9_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Floating in Just Waves (Live looped guitar in JUST intervals and lenghts.. COOL !!!) (with working link) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:37:09 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2011 16:37:10.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[777C27E0:01CCB4FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:37:11 +0000 (UTC) --_39509335-a77b-4f59-81cb-483dac840bb9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And a link one can click on..http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/floating= -in-just-vawes Sorry From: anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Floating in Just Waves (Live looped guitar in JUST intervals and l= enghts.. COOL !!!) Date: Wed=2C 7 Dec 2011 15:15:27 +0000 > another experiment but this came out GREAT:.. JUST as i hoped..http://so= undcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/floating-in-just-vawes And what am I doing.. ALL is live sampled guitar.. no canned loopsSampling = on 4 tracks and playing back with slower speed and all set to diffrent rate= s accordeign to just intonation intervals. Each track is the played back wi= th lenght och the sequencer track set so that the whole sample is played...= this way all playback track have diffrent lenghts also in "just" intervals= ...Then i improvise/play a melody over my sampled guitar and sometimes samp= ling guitar again...the intervals:Just interval Playback Rate = Sequencer Steps.......5/4...................40...........................= ......44......3/2....................48.................................40.= ......9/8................. .36.................................46.......15/= 8............... .60.................................34 So the different loop lenghts gives a organic and evolving feel=2C first I = have all loops recorded at once later I sometimes re-record all or most oft= en one of the loops..=20 All is done 100% live with guitar into Elektron Octatrack straight into rec= order...=20 ENJOY = --_39509335-a77b-4f59-81cb-483dac840bb9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And a link one can click on..

http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/float= ing-in-just-vawes

Sorry

From: anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@lo= opers-delight.com
Subject: Floating in Just Waves (Live looped guitar in= JUST intervals and lenghts.. COOL !!!)
Date: Wed=2C 7 Dec 2011 15:15:27= +0000

>=3B = =3Banother experiment but this came out GREAT:.. JUST as i hoped..

http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/floating-in-just-vawes

And what am I doing.. ALL is live sampled guitar.. no canned loops

= Sampling on 4 tracks and playing back with slower speed and all set to diff= rent rates accordeign to just intonation intervals. Each track is the playe= d back with lenght och the sequencer track set so that the whole sample is = played... this way all playback track have diffrent lenghts also in "just" = intervals...

Then i improvise/play a melody over my sampled guitar and= sometimes sampling guitar again...

the intervals:

Just interval<= span class=3D"ecxApple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> Playbac= k Rate &= nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B Sequencer Ste= ps

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So the different loop lenghts gives a organic and evolving= feel=2C first I have all loops recorded at once later I sometimes re-recor= d all or most often one of the loops.. =3B

<= font class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">All is done 1= 00% live with guitar into Elektron Octatrack straight into recorder... = =3B

ENJOY

= --_39509335-a77b-4f59-81cb-483dac840bb9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 18:23:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E543183477; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 905 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:23:50 UTC X-BigFish: PS0(zzzz1202hzzz2fh2a8h668h839h944h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:207.46.198.81;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0402HT008.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail22-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 207.46.198.81 as permitted sender) client-ip=207.46.198.81; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=CH1PRD0402HT008.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: KMI Softstep Thread-Topic: KMI Softstep Thread-Index: AQHMtOZiEVHSzH2+Okimno/8rQs7WpXQR+MA Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:07:54 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [173.226.147.242] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <350F81AEA2AB6D4385418CE9CEAB5012@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <0Oh2s.A.45D.2863OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:23:50 +0000 (UTC) The software was pretty bad at first, but it has apparently gotten better. The worst part was that you had to run an extremely bloated Max/MSP application in order to use it, I'm told this has been fixed so you can "download" your programming to the switch and then it works without the Max app. =20 I lost interest in it because for me the deal breaker was the size and lack of any tactile response. It is very difficult to tell if you are pressing a switch or not, I like to gently rest my foot on a switch prior to activating it, that often results in false triggers. You can tweak the sensitivity but I was never able to really dial in the sweet spot where I could reliably trigger something all the time. There isn't enough height difference between the back row and the front row which also led to false triggers of the back row, especially if you're wearing big clunky shoes. I've heard people say that you need to approach it like an "instrument" that has to be "practiced". I suppose that's true, and if you did it is indeed a very powerful switch. But my list of things that need to be practiced is already long enough. I would reconsider this though if I travelled a lot. It weighs almost nothing and is easy to pack. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 19:01:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF17D183466; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 19:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5A3574ED-5C79-4D9A-B78A-6FEA5C2F3B7B" Subject: Re: KMI Softstep Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 20:01:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <4EDF7125.1090202@tiscali.co.uk>

Message-Id: <97793658-9C61-4D1F-BBC1-FF69847B0EEC@reyn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.3 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,CM_SLOPPY_BRK1=0.3,HK_MUCHMONEY=0.3,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: <2oiu1C.A.DkE.ig73OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 19:01:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_5A3574ED-5C79-4D9A-B78A-6FEA5C2F3B7B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have the new version of Gordius in my Big Little Giant running = together with a Mac editor! Never been so happy with my pedal then now! Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Dec 7, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, I was talking about the Gordius. I thought you asked about > improvements in the Gordius, as you posted it right after some Gordius > text. And I really couldn't imagine it being that hard to save up for > the Softstep, as it is much less expensive than the Gordius. Hope this > doesn't confuse to much. >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:35 PM, mark francombe = wrote: >> YOu are talking about the Gordius here arnt you? By the way you = quoted me >> (and I was talking saying the SS had improved, as Todd can confirm) I >> thought you meant the SS for a sec... >>=20 >> I am literally DROOLING for a Gordius, what the f*** is Xmas doing in = the >> way of saving??? >>=20 >> M >>=20 >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:11 PM, mark francombe = >>> wrote: >>>> (I hear its made some huge improvements though) >>>=20 >>> A new firmware with many new cool functions. Not only for use as a >>> traditional MIDI foot controller but even to pick up the role as >>> MIDI-system-central-brain-commander-unit. It can send out sweeps = from >>> a couple of seconds to about three minute's length, handle MIDI = clock >>> sync and tempo issues and more. The computer software for = programming >>> the box is very easy to use, on Windows as well as Mac. Anyone >>> interested can download the PDF manuals to check out the details = (URL >>> just posted by Andy) >>>=20 >>> Per >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_5A3574ED-5C79-4D9A-B78A-6FEA5C2F3B7B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Cheers,

Reyn

www.reyn.net
www.studiothechurch.com

On Dec 7, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

Yes, = I was talking about the Gordius. I thought you asked = about
improvements in the Gordius, as you posted it right after some = Gordius
text. And I really couldn't imagine it being that hard to = save up for
the Softstep, as it is much less expensive than the = Gordius. Hope this
doesn't confuse to much.

Per

On = Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:35 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:
YOu are talking about the Gordius = here arnt you? By the way you quoted me
(and I was talking saying the SS had improved, as Todd can = confirm) I
thought you meant = the SS for a sec...

I am literally = DROOLING for a Gordius, what the f*** is Xmas doing in = the
way of = saving???

M

On Wed, Dec 7, = 2011 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:11 PM, = mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
<= /blockquote>
wrote:
(I = hear its made some huge improvements = though)

A new firmware with many new = cool functions. Not only for use as = a
traditional MIDI foot controller but even to pick up the = role as
MIDI-system-central-brain-commander-unit. It can send out = sweeps from
a couple of seconds to about = three minute's length, handle MIDI = clock
sync and tempo issues and more. The computer software for = programming
the box is very easy to use, on = Windows as well as Mac. Anyone
interested can download the PDF = manuals to check out the details = (URL
just posted by = Andy)

Per

--
Mark = Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
=
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/= photos/24478662@N00/

= --Apple-Mail=_5A3574ED-5C79-4D9A-B78A-6FEA5C2F3B7B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 21:19:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2E64183473; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 21:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qWXo/h6nSzOZcdlsOytKjQ61yPmK2m88oDTGrXHv/sE=; b=v68UfF4bLHO0mXGtXspd5zw1KD+v84trdHpxgCC94m3RSdce7hTqN1mgCKs4chmQUs N3WddsUEMUGpOZStYC8F9hLGe2yONgLaKQbxlHOdSfOVgQFz0lNu0rgSS1ncCBvqAGCq crfeQUwV/M+IB218pYCVyzB/QbZrvOCYUzg3g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EBA1EE2.3030603@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e814af798ae04b3871c84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 21:19:55 +0000 (UTC) --0016361e814af798ae04b3871c84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey LP2 purchasers, anyone seen there's yet? I look everyday but a month later and still not here..... :( Weg On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Looked in mailbox, did not see LP-2. > Maybe next week . . . > > Gary > > ________________________________________ > From: Thomas Wegmann wrote: > > This is GREAT to hear! > On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > Happy news !! > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > I got a phone call today from Bob and > > he says that he expects to start shipping > > the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next week. > > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com --0016361e814af798ae04b3871c84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey LP2 purchasers, anyone seen there's yet?=A0 I look everyday bu= t a month later and still not here..... :(

=A0

Weg
<= br>

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Clayto= n Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox= .net> wrote:

Looked in mailbox, did not see LP-2.
Maybe next week . . .

Gary

________________________________________

From: Thomas Wegmann wrote:

This is GREAT to hear!
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>
wrote:
Happy news !!

On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

> I got a phone call today from Bob and
> he says that he expects to start shipping
> the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next week.
>
> yours, =A0 Rick Walker
>

Greg W= egmann

TheW= eg@Frontier.com

TheWeg@GMail.com

--0016361e814af798ae04b3871c84-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 22:31:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD37418347A; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PzgPLaMKYLoit3TDvgm6x8vGtEzifO6ihEJkJxKrrVc=; b=f48IXyBPmr0I2Tph81vzyULBaBxPa09Soq5JtkBYfnfdcvRymvegG+oSZEZ88xmwww ASBi0yt7Mdxv5Os1CEzh4R/a4S3NzmqZOUlcket4FGG3ZwchRE3LRTyGS0XafBTBR7hW gNcW4mmc6jm2imSvsFLFfWZ0H+3iBKfiSQzOk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1323164656.41011.YahooMailNeo@web24609.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <1323164656.41011.YahooMailNeo@web24609.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:31:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users From: Louie Angulo To: Stephen Scott Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <_vIEnD.A.8nH.tk-3OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:31:09 +0000 (UTC) i take it you do this with your hand Scott? ive been rather contemplating the midi mouse,is about the smallest foot midi controller to do something like that i wish it was even smaller;-) On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Stephen Scott wrote: > Bill said: >>One way to not have to toggle between the looper function and presets is to use a small midi controller to send cc messages to the M-9 , one of which will toggle in to >the looper very quickly. > > I do exactly this using my little SU10 and assigning the ribbon controller to midi no. 84 (iirc); toggling the looper immediately on/off is then just a matter of pressing the top/bottom of the ribbon. > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 22:34:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23066183477; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=ob23EG4j1HJxFGdzvrh3RfUlUEp+ldCbzAt7/sJ/UNI=; b=GQjAo6AdkeeppZUtNV12Fjn8uQgoQPfnX9/Z3vp6+JYQsyjXd++gFz6hR6lpYlrnh5 D3qfkR/q3cjrtYBWytQmRfJcUGy13EDInic/7JME86pMZRRGmy6USobPgXk7qgZtSrn3 cRcCteDyuNytFSO6x8kfUFLqzhruc/jqMh9Cs= Message-ID: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: MIDI Controllers for Ableton Live Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:35:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) What are you Live users using for MIDI Controllers? I am considering these: Akai APC40 Abelton Controller Novation Impulse 25 (25-key) Akai Professional MPK25 M-Audio Axiom 25 And I have to say that I probably want one with a mini keyboard on it, so that I can play soft synths, which rules pout the Akai APC40 Any recommendations? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 22:39:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B54D1183478; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=txf6gi912iQsdvX8tQW4zf63n1QjdcdVpWZJiN4zZCw=; b=m6rQEy2S+NnZcayNkmSnY/TzfXFDeD4vo8b8506WtFXA6m2WGOcalsS44JwKlE9i6p WarI+LXecWs8VtD5FEsFNUuMCRudfY64VHv8c80QMhh2bz4sFXyFce3ZwtuKZUrvPhSJ oiZHneDHIeTB4ynN+2a98JJ0uKAS6jsIfZcjM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:39:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Controllers for Ableton Live From: Art Simon To: Kris Hartung Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:39:21 +0000 (UTC) I just ordered a POK http://www.xtempozone.com/ I was really impressed by this video on youtube of a violinist doing live looping with ableton and the POK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPCiM_vwJ54 It's been discussed on loopersdelight before. The violinist is using ableton for live looping, but not using ableton's looper, or any other looper plugin, she's just recording clips. Seems like a really cool way to do things. (It's worth asking about the educational discounts for the POK if you work in education) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > What are you Live users using for MIDI Controllers? > > I am considering these: > > Akai APC40 Abelton Controller > Novation Impulse 25 (25-key) > Akai Professional MPK25 > M-Audio Axiom 25 > > And I have to say that I probably want one with a mini keyboard on it, so > that I can play soft synths, which rules pout the Akai APC40 > > Any recommendations? > > Kris > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 22:45:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 351AD183489; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=g1gQO/TJc7VCoeu1W+oFH9DOc6Di4PJlNnXcMgY2uQU=; b=YFWoIKbB6i9khraOGWxaPJol/+8Mr1ZsgSd/yifHgf7krDeJR/fgLZoJ6xngcdOxV9 yQFAZMjwtxndD3Fx9Y8hhbAwfixam1MOuUSJBBZfc6E2CysCNp5u3mBcer5Jc56Wzwnz rc8c/hRwsronnTck3NgVnpyrQG/X2m8Ru1X8g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:45:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Controllers for Ableton Live From: Louie Angulo To: Kris Hartung Cc: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:45:31 +0000 (UTC) heres a very basic small usb one that might work nice with ableton http://www.logidy.com/?pid=1 i use either the fcb1010 or the pmc10 both work awesome! Luis On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > What are you Live users using for MIDI Controllers? > > I am considering these: > > Akai APC40 Abelton Controller > Novation Impulse 25 (25-key) > Akai Professional MPK25 > M-Audio Axiom 25 > > And I have to say that I probably want one with a mini keyboard on it, so > that I can play soft synths, which rules pout the Akai APC40 > > Any recommendations? > > Kris > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 22:47:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCB9318347A; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DE/nHK9SHhrHDIF5s2vf4jZTRly3XKmBrl6Frl/+gC0=; b=DQsBnC0WCPoYO5E6DHXfhUqI7KDNqeABhq2oiehzQkoRXmfj2fcGD01UL6gk+M6q4t YWizvEXSrR9dS8p1d3+kqFhhU3UEx2kdkS04NFvMv5qXwudztQW4gfktHCssvOmxEK3W ANg3Iu77iynTzIkAnB9g1Xs8tY9Xg3BoQ0US8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:47:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Controllers for Ableton Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:47:41 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > What are you Live users using for MIDI Controllers? Depends on what type of gig and the required setup. My "big gun" controller is a Gordius Little Giant extended with three expression pedals and one switch. I also sometimes use a Korg microKONTROL (piano keys, faders, knobs, buttons). Sometimes I've even plugged in an old Roland MC303 (not using its audio, just as a MIDI controller). But I'd say anything that sends MIDI Notes and MIDI CC#s work well with Live. I have been using three German Faderfox hand mixer/button pad as well. The last one of them is talking to Live in Native Mode which some users find convenient, but since I set up my own patches I tend to kill Native Mode on boot-up. But one of the biggest goodies with Live IMHO is that you can use computer keyboard commands so extensively! On most concerts I do more electronic processing in Mobius than in Live but that also works very nice when hosting that looper in Live. If clicking in a Live window any computer keys you hit will activate the learned Live commands but if first clicking in the Mobius window any following computer key hitting will activate the learned Mobius commands. I find this a real blessing, since I use to distribute the optional commands over several controllers so there will always be a fast way to reach a command on some of them in the heat of the battle. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 22:55:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE89183477; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=XgTJY3VsGdoVubXYUnmcD5rW0e4Fq15KSlkGv1b8IdU=; b=N7Pz9qKuK2qYBJS28bJR+p/yl9AAQtMSoZUA2GkikGDj/cPt2fPJFNfvVtmIU0T4QF psY3GQZ85/3JSggoFXOCnXBEaSJpVQK6Muy3nTmX1QBfk6jVgubfhY2zzdbRQI0E7Me3 yLJwlJ/Gy5CvqqnijrU0Ebx/pg/A/tEo7nNXs= Message-ID: <8E49586E4AF3490D9699F385E8AB092F@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MIDI Controllers for Ableton Live Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:56:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:55:50 +0000 (UTC) I think this is what I had in mind. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MPK25 I don't really need a controller for Mobius, as I have a MIDI foot controller for that. What I really need is something to control various parameters in Live, play soft synths, etc. The Korg microKONTROL looks like something similar. ----- Original Message ----- > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: >> What are you Live users using for MIDI Controllers? > > > Depends on what type of gig and the required setup. My "big gun" > controller is a Gordius Little Giant extended with three expression > pedals and one switch. I also sometimes use a Korg microKONTROL (piano > keys, faders, knobs, buttons). Sometimes I've even plugged in an old > Roland MC303 (not using its audio, just as a MIDI controller). But I'd > say anything that sends MIDI Notes and MIDI CC#s work well with Live. > I have been using three German Faderfox hand mixer/button pad as well. > The last one of them is talking to Live in Native Mode which some > users find convenient, but since I set up my own patches I tend to > kill Native Mode on boot-up. > > But one of the biggest goodies with Live IMHO is that you can use > computer keyboard commands so extensively! On most concerts I do more > electronic processing in Mobius than in Live but that also works very > nice when hosting that looper in Live. If clicking in a Live window > any computer keys you hit will activate the learned Live commands but > if first clicking in the Mobius window any following computer key > hitting will activate the learned Mobius commands. I find this a real > blessing, since I use to distribute the optional commands over several > controllers so there will always be a fast way to reach a command on > some of them in the heat of the battle. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 23:02:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4232B183479; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LZnDASMjkCXELrhWm7nsOkY/gF8dMTR95R/7Inm6W6Q=; b=ZJKkM4o+hE5MHSGHbEpFySza3bIPHi7Hu/HJ5h+fDdxCMy8s7CFNmzq8qyg+Fq6zEn HoJoNuHFhR/PDXfFYdXZa5AXHkgRGDPhym2KjKArHe2O1aXGO2XrXRuo5qaeLHrM0wW5 hlrpAvpohSs0HUaXqrLsksLgMqfgAaidkrNp8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8E49586E4AF3490D9699F385E8AB092F@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8E49586E4AF3490D9699F385E8AB092F@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:02:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI Controllers for Ableton Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <0MXIdB.A.oz.gC_3OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:02:57 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > I think this is what I had in mind. > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MPK25 > > I don't really need a controller for Mobius, as I have a MIDI foot > controller for that. > What I really need is something to control various parameters in Live, pl= ay > soft synths, etc. > > The Korg microKONTROL =C2=A0looks like something similar. Yes, but the microKONTROL is bigger and probably heavier. I've been visited for some days by Laurie Amat and she brought with here an M-audio Oxygen that I checked out. It is way lighter than my microKONTROL but still constructed in a sturdy mode. The Oxygen only has a USB MIDI port, but that's the only MIDI I use these days for my Gordius, Faderfox and Roland GR55 and it's totally sufficient IMO http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Oxygen25.html Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 23:14:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4FCE18348B; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <08028D8B-A99D-4606-AC13-E1C87A9189F0@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--752376125 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: For Line 6 DL-4 and M series users Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:14:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:14:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--752376125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i take it you do this with your hand Scott? ive been rather contemplating the midi mouse,is about the smallest foot midi controller to do something like that i wish it was even smaller;-) The midi mouse only does midi pc, the line 6 needs to see CC messages so you would need either a midi event processor of some kind like midi solutions makes to use with the mouse or run the OSC app on an i- phone or droid and use something like the Missing Link wifi to midi adaptor, the app is cheap the MS is $179 http://wifimidi.com/store/ though I've been using it on my Looperlative when I want to prep tracks before actually recording or I want to do rapid fire sus replace commands with out hitting the gordius's mechanically noisier switches. but i am going to create a template on my phone for the M-9 which is on my other pedal board that i use for band and less loop intensive gigs. bill --Apple-Mail-3--752376125 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i take it you do this with your hand Scott?
ive been rather contemplating the midi = mouse,is about the smallest
foot midi controller to do something like that
i wish it was even = smaller;-)

The midi mouse only does = midi pc, the line 6 needs to see CC messages so you would need either a = midi event processor of some kind like midi solutions makes to use with = the mouse or run the OSC app on an i-phone or droid and use = something like the Missing Link wifi to midi adaptor, the = app is cheap the MS is $179 http://wifimidi.com/store/ th= ough I've been using it on my Looperlative when I want to prep tracks = before actually recording or I want to do rapid fire sus replace = commands with out hitting the gordius's mechanically noisier = switches. but i am going to create a template on my phone for the M-9 = which is on my other pedal board that i use for band and less loop = intensive gigs.

bill

= --Apple-Mail-3--752376125-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 00:06:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98BD5183462; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=jRYs6l80w8FHQFm12VHjnn+cr2dMjadWWUVM+W+gli8=; b=RdDx+IhG8+8NV0E5MtlypNhiNvG3ikRciGummxjLu5/GoQE3VOVG6ogaZGNLQZUPLl OSIGg5NuZHDSySpSIVlx3rYqWItXTKsVbrxaUmfhaDafq7gUVNnI8q+T8VlBYMe/st9B 1nSKAfZScoze0G2iwO/u3JID9UGP1pM49fEzE= Message-ID: <42059E5895624496AC5CB3A8A340D1B4@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <3DFCA27F86954E0680412323E22A6EB1@americas.hpqcorp.net><8E49586E4AF3490D9699F385E8AB092F@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: MIDI Controllers for Ableton Live Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:07:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:06:52 +0000 (UTC) And it is only $99 USD! Wow. For only a bone more I could get the Axiom which has the pads. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Axiom25mk2 Kris ----- Original Message ----- Yes, but the microKONTROL is bigger and probably heavier. I've been visited for some days by Laurie Amat and she brought with here an M-audio Oxygen that I checked out. It is way lighter than my microKONTROL but still constructed in a sturdy mode. The Oxygen only has a USB MIDI port, but that's the only MIDI I use these days for my Gordius, Faderfox and Roland GR55 and it's totally sufficient IMO http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Oxygen25.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 09:15:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01B1A183477; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4EE08012.0020,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=7BnafUbgwzLIoqeYeBbzGIa9HxWGV5z5VCCeX0YiwQA= c=1 sm=1 a=4_sYBtFt6HEA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=cW4-NtOyAAAA:8 a=JXogyf11JkDXSYXaf60A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=Ez2Y-rftH6UA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4EBA1EE2.3030603@cruzio.com>

Subject: RE: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 01:14:50 -0800 Message-ID: <190F7414F4004F6BAF9B73A9DB3B8365@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Acy1JfltZRPbRhybRDahW7Rl8/f+rQAY70GA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:14:59 +0000 (UTC) http://www.facebook.com/pages/Looperlative-Audio-Products/179356534104 Says he's getting close, and that everyone will get contacted before he ships them out to verify addresses. Gary ________________________________________ From: Thomas Wegmann [mailto:theweg@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE Hey LP2 purchasers, anyone seen there's yet?=A0 I look everyday but a = month later and still not here..... :( =A0 Weg On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann = wrote: Looked in mailbox, did not see LP-2. Maybe next week . . . Gary ________________________________________ From: Thomas Wegmann wrote: This is GREAT to hear! On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Phil Clevenger = wrote: Happy news !! On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I got a phone call today from Bob and > he says that he expects to start shipping > the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next week. > > yours, =A0 Rick Walker > --=20 Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 10:27:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DE6D183461; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 10:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4EBA1EE2.3030603@cruzio.com>

<190F7414F4004F6BAF9B73A9DB3B8365@your0548c161e1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE In-Reply-To: <190F7414F4004F6BAF9B73A9DB3B8365@your0548c161e1> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE83AB13C6B004_2264_80A8C_web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE83AB13BAC901-2264-2DFD1@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.183.235.125] Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 05:27:10 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1323340030; bh=d4xQqzoQWHYclcCZLZdhPPNXNOMMlJTwBRFYpUi8cO0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VAAv0xZaL645rVoTMn9ZN2wb+WMsXPjIW6Vrh4uDm01KML+W32VZD0AqQSSY/QaNk 2+CrkNJceYNhosafNQsZGkHfmLnty4cK4P3rqsxSmJpdxmcPwF+MeL+nBg7jcx3yI/ Dw5JTUJOzT1q/+JR27B6bFTpeOFB8q0qFs4WpS5E= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504510496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a4ee090fe7046 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 10:27:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE83AB13C6B004_2264_80A8C_web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If there was such thing as a Consumer Patience Award I would nominate all o= f you who are waiting for your LP-2's!! =3D-) PJ -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:15 pm Subject: RE: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE http://www.facebook.com/pages/Looperlative-Audio-Products/179356534104 Says he's getting close, and that everyone will get contacted before he ships them out to verify addresses. Gary ________________________________________ From: Thomas Wegmann [mailto:theweg@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE Hey LP2 purchasers, anyone seen there's yet? I look everyday but a month later and still not here..... :( =20 Weg On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: Looked in mailbox, did not see LP-2. Maybe next week . . . Gary ________________________________________ From: Thomas Wegmann wrote: This is GREAT to hear! On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: Happy news !! On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I got a phone call today from Bob and > he says that he expects to start shipping > the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next week. > > yours, Rick Walker > --=20 Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com =20 ----------MB_8CE83AB13C6B004_2264_80A8C_web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" If = there was such thing as a Consumer Patience Award I would nom= inate all of you who are waiting for your LP-2's!!

=3D-) PJ

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Says he's getting close, and that everyone will get contacted before he
ships them out to verify addresses.

Gary

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From: Thomas Wegmann [mailto:theweg@gm=
ail.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:20 PM
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Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE

Hey LP2 purchasers, anyone seen there's yet?  I look everyday but a mo=
nth
later and still not here..... :(

Weg
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
Looked in mailbox, did not see LP-2.
Maybe next week . . .

Gary

________________________________________
From: Thomas Wegmann wrote:

This is GREAT to hear!
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>
wrote:
Happy news !!

On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

> I got a phone call today from Bob and
> he says that he expects to start shipping
> the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next week.
>
> yours,   Rick Walker
>

--=20
Greg Wegmann

TheWeg@Frontier.com
TheWeg@GMail.com

----------MB_8CE83AB13C6B004_2264_80A8C_web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 12:56:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6729D183466; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K++z7AvA0z1bvU08GBH/WkkFXw4XQlz5K7iaF/oRWcY=; b=ubM35s1zCD7O+NgPa/F/+WCp3nm7ykQnGYWAFa/nBXOwFQb9sZSxf5h8xZl9AHgbld sjFHjdtZeJqP9Zs4l6XyCjXWPNhGKSiR5zYqdxeqGNLI43IuVerXbhxj4iHf5zO+QE3x BFMkGFmGE+yY+MmopgKUGJqRJpclq3qmQxxLU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:56:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: eowave foot control From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:56:06 +0000 (UTC) has anybody tried this? bearable latency for loopers? http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645 lots of cool gadgets on their website as well, sensor->usb. looking for a portble/modular foot control. fcb1010 is excessive for some occasions. thanks! ra=FCl --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 14:30:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79CE9183460; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eu3ZG0zkgi6dotrV7q7B1HwBfdpisC3rRMS2NXHmkoM=; b=tmsUPbHZJT0I+cislQckanTokQGrovBNDOSRg58MDv3FMPWb31GaeazvljOgXgXYV1 cXt2GBhwXEvh61GlIYHhGLh0ly08KF9vw7XM0BEMrqs7dgaBALtZHSO8kGDedcof72Z5 Kvexrm8liLlhumGe7sQjLSoqQbRhgVuP3VCW4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:30:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: eowave foot control From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Very interesting idea! I've been dreaming for years about something that simply converts input CV to MIDI. List member Ted Kilian uses one or two such gadgets in his Max based setup. But I wouldn't dare to buy this particular ne untested for the simple reason that the product presentation sucks. We can't really be sure that it doesn't present the impulses as "mouse clicks and mouse scroll wheel rolls" to the OS. Ok, they do write "100% MIDI compatible" but until the manufacturer clearly explains what MIDI events the converter presents the OS I for one would look elsewhere to throw my money. For example, if it does MIDI Program Change it would be very good with Ableton Live etc etc. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Ra=C3=BCl Bonell wr= ote: > has anybody tried this? bearable latency for loopers? > > http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645 > > lots of cool gadgets on their website as well, sensor->usb. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 15:51:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67DC8183466; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:17 a=UoM31qY_AAAA:8 a=IcEGJ373AAAA:8 a=RRR3NETDAAAA:8 a=DfSsN9e014amtlKzG8kA:9 a=YxVGGeLZJf6Wpb359jcA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=F5RSWH3sUPcA:10 a=UgSkmNpC_ZgA:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: eowave foot control From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:51:09 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <581077AA-157D-4A9A-A1FA-B0779E6E561A@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Raul, I use it all the time. It's an essential part of my MaxMSP rig. No latency that I have noticed, but I use it to plug in 4 Boss EV-5 = pedals, so that wouldn't be a critical issue. Jeff Kaiser has one as well (I bought 2 and gave him one last year). Anywho, it's fairly failsafe, and the software to program it is pretty = simple too. I'd buy another in a minute if I had a need for more switches or = controllers. :-) Ted On Dec 8, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrote: > has anybody tried this? bearable latency for loopers? >=20 > http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645 >=20 > lots of cool gadgets on their website as well, sensor->usb. >=20 > looking for a portble/modular foot control. > fcb1010 is excessive for some occasions. >=20 > thanks! > ra=FCl >=20 > --=20 > = .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your = imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily = manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >=20 > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 16:01:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CC83183473; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=exlSaR2X6wruTLhTLjHRFHvhNLtiuCT2vBUhuot+fGI=; b=N9edfw92qtNzgm/JbQ6iFNLBL9viRRRTnWbrdGeCfl2SMcFBIBAhdbFZwC+zhq0Fmz 51rUU+WfT6We6nY5Rwh8rPe1oQEpNMl8ZLQgjHoRQt0YENWPSVyo+EXiSETodUHJ6Hkt 3qve2CXxRVfdQ3xpzG3eUyhLGs28Lf4iFjYx4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <581077AA-157D-4A9A-A1FA-B0779E6E561A@charter.net> References: <581077AA-157D-4A9A-A1FA-B0779E6E561A@charter.net> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: eowave foot control From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:01:30 +0000 (UTC) thanks ted, per! so i'll go for it since fcb1010 is too big for travelling.. thinking of getting some expression pedals as well because i like to have one for each task, no matter which preset i choose. really helpful guys, as always. ra=FCl. 2011/12/8, Ted Killian : > Raul, > > I use it all the time. > > It's an essential part of my MaxMSP rig. > > No latency that I have noticed, but I use it to plug in 4 Boss EV-5 pedal= s, > so that wouldn't be a critical issue. > > Jeff Kaiser has one as well (I bought 2 and gave him one last year). > > Anywho, it's fairly failsafe, and the software to program it is pretty > simple too. > > I'd buy another in a minute if I had a need for more switches or > controllers. > > :-) > > Ted > > On Dec 8, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrote: > >> has anybody tried this? bearable latency for loopers? >> >> http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645 >> >> lots of cool gadgets on their website as well, sensor->usb. >> >> looking for a portble/modular foot control. >> fcb1010 is excessive for some occasions. >> >> thanks! >> ra=FCl >> >> -- >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your >> imagination, >> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. >> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated= . >> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. >> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >> >> Kim Flint >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 16:09:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98F52183474; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EC2g13Hfi99Th8YlaLf8F5VnrIqfCuJtDCJtMK6iSuU=; b=j1l0RVjxubC+nTgBtxnC0jICZWNChGd8qvojds3KKQjaMmWD8yU/4WWjaiTaNK5NL0 +ZbV3rlB/zNLSY2X7lmCyOLziUfg9UXTfjtJpmTI9P8v9pH9yKmB+fNi1OtPZsRgtyFG fbzjAw41HI40g7dq+KXg1nKmxFnGPcOjk4Q1w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <581077AA-157D-4A9A-A1FA-B0779E6E561A@charter.net> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: eowave foot control From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Just a quick note, since you was asking about "latency". In external control (over MIDI or OSC) latency is only an issue if controlling non quantized processing. Most of the processing in live looping are quantized so it shouldn't be an issue. I recall that Andy Butler does some non quantized controlling of his EDPs and has also measured MIDI latency for the FCB1010, the Gordious and maybe other that I don't recall right now. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Ra=C3=BCl Bonell wr= ote: > thanks ted, per! > > so i'll go for it since fcb1010 is too big for travelling.. thinking > of getting some expression pedals as well because i like to have one > for each task, no matter which preset i choose. > > really helpful guys, as always. > > ra=C3=BCl. > > 2011/12/8, Ted Killian : >> Raul, >> >> I use it all the time. >> >> It's an essential part of my MaxMSP rig. >> >> No latency that I have noticed, but I use it to plug in 4 Boss EV-5 peda= ls, >> so that wouldn't be a critical issue. >> >> Jeff Kaiser has one as well (I bought 2 and gave him one last year). >> >> Anywho, it's fairly failsafe, and the software to program it is pretty >> simple too. >> >> I'd buy another in a minute if I had a need for more switches or >> controllers. >> >> :-) >> >> Ted >> >> On Dec 8, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Ra=C3=BCl Bonell wrote: >> >>> has anybody tried this? bearable latency for loopers? >>> >>> http://www.eowave.com/shop/products.php?prod=3D645 >>> >>> lots of cool gadgets on their website as well, sensor->usb. >>> >>> looking for a portble/modular foot control. >>> fcb1010 is excessive for some occasions. >>> >>> thanks! >>> ra=C3=BCl >>> >>> -- >>> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >>> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your >>> imagination, >>> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. >>> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulate= d. >>> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. >>> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >>> >>> Kim Flint >>> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >>> raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com >> >> > > > -- > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagin= ation, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 17:01:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C67A4183474; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 707389473/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.184.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.184.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBABDs4E5V0rhD/2dsb2JhbAAMN4UGqFgBAQEDASMVQAYLCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBiAOmC5EugTSGb4ICgRYEmiKMbw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,320,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="707389473" Message-ID: <4EE0ED6E.7020307@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:01:34 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: eowave foot control References: <581077AA-157D-4A9A-A1FA-B0779E6E561A@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Just a quick note, since you was asking about "latency". > > In external control (over MIDI or OSC) latency is only an issue if > controlling non quantized processing. Most of the processing in live > looping are quantized so it shouldn't be an issue. > > I recall that Andy Butler does some non quantized controlling of his > EDPs Usually recording a loop is non-quantized ;-) I wouldn't say that most processing is quantised, if anything the opposite, but indeed there are ways to reduce latency problems and quantise is one of them. > and has also measured MIDI latency for the FCB1010, the Gordious > and maybe other that I don't recall right now. Yes, if the manufacturer does not test for latency it can easily creep up to be too much for live looping. I worked out a simple way to test relative latency very accurately and would make that method available to any manufacturer who was interested. (one taker so far) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 17:06:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90894183473; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4EE0EE85.0109,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=7BnafUbgwzLIoqeYeBbzGIa9HxWGV5z5VCCeX0YiwQA= c=1 sm=1 a=4_sYBtFt6HEA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=cW4-NtOyAAAA:8 a=NJh34E12kD2he2_ujisA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Ez2Y-rftH6UA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=upOlx3s7mSED9JLYzOkA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4EBA1EE2.3030603@cruzio.com>

<190F7414F4004F6BAF9B73A9DB3B8365@your0548c161e1> <8CE83AB13BAC901-2264-2DFD1@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: RE: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:05:55 -0800 Message-ID: <15F0B1F78E464DA1A943C8CBA3E67B64@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CCB588.9E846C00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CE83AB13BAC901-2264-2DFD1@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> Thread-Index: Acy1k/apdphBks82Qd+odaKNfk4hdwAN468g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:06:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CCB588.9E846C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, two little words . . . Harrison Harmonicas Nuff said . . . Gary _____ From: Patrick Bishop [mailto:pjbmhb@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE If there was such thing as a Consumer Patience Award I would nominate all of you who are waiting for your LP-2's!! =-) PJ -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:15 pm Subject: RE: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE http://www.facebook.com/pages/Looperlative-Audio-Products/179356534104 Says he's getting close, and that everyone will get contacted before he ships them out to verify addresses. Gary ________________________________________ From: Thomas Wegmann [mailto:theweg@gmail.com ] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE Hey LP2 purchasers, anyone seen there's yet? I look everyday but a month later and still not here..... :( Weg On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: Looked in mailbox, did not see LP-2. Maybe next week . . . Gary ________________________________________ From: Thomas Wegmann wrote: This is GREAT to hear! On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: Happy news !! On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I got a phone call today from Bob and > he says that he expects to start shipping > the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next week. > > yours, Rick Walker > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CCB588.9E846C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey, two little words . . = .

Harrison Harmonicas

Nuff said . . = .

Gary

From: = Patrick Bishop [mailto:pjbmhb@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December = 08, 2011 2:27 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: LP-2 = SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE

If = there was such thing as a Consumer Patience Award I would nominate all of you who are = waiting for your LP-2's!!

=3D-) PJ

-----Origina= l Message-----
From: Clayton Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:15 pm
Subject: RE: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Looperlative-Audio-Produc=
ts/179356534104

Says he's getting close, and that =
everyone will get contacted before =
he

ships them out to verify =
addresses.

Gary

__________________________________=
______

From: Thomas Wegmann [mailto:theweg@gmail.com] =

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, =
2011 1:20 PM

To: Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com

Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS =
UPDATE

Hey LP2 purchasers, anyone seen =
there's yet?  I look everyday but a =
month

later and still not here..... =
:(

Weg<=
/pre>On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:26 AM, =
Clayton Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> =
wrote:
Looked in mailbox, did not see =
LP-2.
Maybe next week . . =
.
 
Gary
 
__________________________________=
______
From: Thomas Wegmann =
wrote:
 
This is GREAT to =
hear!
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, =
Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>=
wrote:
Happy news =
!!
 
On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick =
Walker wrote:
 
> I got a phone call today =
from Bob and
> he says that he expects to =
start shipping
> the first batch of LP-2s by =
the first of next week.
> 
> yours,   Rick =
Walker
> 
 
 
 
 
-- =
Greg =
Wegmann
 
TheWeg@Frontier.com
TheWeg@GMail.com

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CCB588.9E846C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 17:08:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E23C183479; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Qjv9VE7EYSTsiw8MABAfuuD1xRo6zXFINP1nR0qXxsc=; b=a7JGVc9UM7zG9i39DeVGldTZwbu1/Fn+Tat2Z5BDiYB8vk0PT/Suj5J6dMkG2qJXAG i25PZ8rq56T2ZoTC30clcFfLHv9R9IjXD5ZHMj8XzuptA+jKibhezqh+WNSam9+EIYWC MJwAbZ8dBuRmYBc3/P16lp6yBlVcEbiFbWB7o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <581077AA-157D-4A9A-A1FA-B0779E6E561A@charter.net> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:08:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: eowave foot control From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:08:16 +0000 (UTC) 2011/12/8, Per Boysen : > Just a quick note, since you was asking about "latency". > > In external control (over MIDI or OSC) latency is only an issue if > controlling non quantized processing. Most of the processing in live > looping are quantized so it shouldn't be an issue. thanks for the tip. i was asking because oh that, since i'm a big fan of unquantized 'record/stop' from my EDP days :) > I recall that Andy Butler does some non quantized controlling of his > EDPs and has also measured MIDI latency for the FCB1010, the Gordious > and maybe other that I don't recall right now. fcb1010 is ok from experience. i use it all the times, and if eowave is usb should be faster, i guess. i've been tempted to get the smaller gordius, but don't have enough cash. :( regarding expression pedals, i've considered other options to the roland/boss ev-5. m-audio's costs half the rolands. anybody knows of cheap but reliable expression pedals as an alternative to these? thanks! ra=FCl. --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 17:10:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E5FC183489; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:10:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PEODYASkranDIitDtkCgcvHC3uOiHGqBgQ4wQrK78B4=; b=Fzg08DPuJp6EXJ36LTRrVNrGi4MoWm85oVa8mWaeJbrO18JG3sbO00gCUGXzXaq3VQ 3v6w8ET0chWsioNHzamTh0qBnY9HahZCQkokoXXiex9HcLE0KuO4l0/OJXD3T9g/zXc7 PK+w0of2JibyLOj6nwOkMR8VApabUtWU5k1+8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE0ED6E.7020307@tiscali.co.uk> References: <581077AA-157D-4A9A-A1FA-B0779E6E561A@charter.net> <4EE0ED6E.7020307@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:10:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: eowave foot control From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-9GNzC.A.uqH.49O4OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:10:16 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:01 PM, andy butler wrote: > Usually recording a loop is non-quantized ;-) Correct, but only if the Looper is the sync master. That's the way I usually loop myself (and I'm concern about accurate MIDI speed) but I have understood that quite a lot of looping musicians rather sync their loopers after some other tempo master and for them the issue isn't that crucial. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 17:49:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B003318347A; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 710638250/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.184.67/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.184.67 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAH734E5V0rhD/2dsb2JhbAAMN61fAQEBAwEyAQVGCwshJQ8CRhwBiAO3TIgjgxgEmiKMbw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,320,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="710638250" Message-ID: <4EE0F8BA.20606@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:49:46 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: eowave foot control References: <581077AA-157D-4A9A-A1FA-B0779E6E561A@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Ra�l Bonell wrote: > fcb1010 is ok from experience. i use it all the times, yep, it's fast > and if eowave > is usb should be faster, It really depends a lot more on whether the guy who programmed it took steps to keep latency low. You could always mail them and ask for a latency figure in mS. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 19:10:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66135183477; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE10BBE.1070409@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:10:54 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6DFtYB.A.CoB.BvQ4OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:10:58 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Esoterica" on Poundsounds. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#dec Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 19:30:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 096BA183477; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5dU0pTo6cja9syWOyg6FsQuv0TyUNMmKAfa1+KdiOfo=; b=p+JpdsfhGaUv0zq8w7TaIsksCzg6Nknk04VziAXB9L+QYz4QadYtDyweUTfzpGX1+o rH8YtcNKoFc4UMrBLUwTabJVDQ5KKp4Sg8kT5LkEOKki7vP1TK63h48WUqN0VtbvrkFi SI01nmSe1OLpxNcwv1NSC8dnWCIS6dQVbbllE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:30:43 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: In SF this week - Space Music (tonight) and Droneshift (Saturday) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I have 2 big shows this week: #1) SPACE MUSIC NIGHT AT THE LUGGAGE STORE! Thursday, Dec 8 2011, 8:00 PM - 10:00 PM Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market Street (@ 6th St) San Francisco $6-10 sliding scale So lately, I've been getting into space music in its many forms, and this is an attempt to present some at the Luggage Store. We've assembled 2 ad-hoc groups of musicians who are going to bedazzle you with their interstellar sounds. Video for both sets will be by Tim Thompson 1st set: Kristin Miltner - Electronics Matt Davignon - Drum Machine Andrew Joron - Theremin Karl A.D. Evangelista - Guitar 2nd set: David Leikam - Moog, Bass Guitar Sheila Bosco - Drums "Stereo" Steve Abbate - Guitar Amar Chaudhary - Electronics #2) DRONESHIFT AT THE LAB! Saturday, Dec 10 2011 8:00 PM - 11:00 PM The Lab 1948 16th St San Francisco $7-15 sliding scale Droneshift is a large scale collaborative drone music event organized each year by Matt Davignon. Over 40 musicians will gather to contribute to a continuous 3 hour sound, each adding their acoustic or electronic elements here and there, and weaving their sounds together to create gradually shifting tapestries of music. The performance will continuously evolve from completely acoustic music to electric ambiance to post-industrial noise with many mesmerizing points in between. Each year, Droneshift turns into an event that's not to be missed. (Especially if you enjoy drone music.) This will also be my first production at The Lab, so please do come to the show! Participants include: Laurie Amat - Voice Jorge Bachmann - Electronics Aharon Wheels Bolsta - Jews Harps CJ Borosque - Trumpet Chris Broderick - Bulbul, Khaens & Clarinet Laurie Buenafe Krsmanovic - Voice & Electronics Diane Caudillo - Voice & Clarinet Roland Curtis - Voice & Synthesizer Matt Davignon - Glass Instruments & Synth Thomas Dimuzio - Moog Guitar Todd Elliott - Eigenharp Tau controller Thea Farhadian - Violin Ron Heglin - Tuba & Voice Jeff Hobbs - Alto Clarinet & Violin Bill Hsu - Electronics Andrew Joron - Theremin Gretchen Jude - Laptop & Melodica Sebastian Krawczuk - Bass J. Lee - Tamboura Jon Leidecker - Electronics Bill Leikam - Conch David Leikam - Moog Cheryl Leonard - Viola Todd Lerew - Hulusi, Organ, Thermoacoustic Resonator Brian Lucas - Bass Guitar Melissa Margolis - Accordion Bob Marsh - Voice Maryanne McDonald - Harp, Didgeridoo Suki O'Kane - Shruti Box & Accordian Ann O'Rourke - Voice Ferrara Brain Pan - Bass Clarinet Tim Perkis - Synth & Electric Razor Alwyn Quebido - Guitar Rent Romus - Sax & Electronics Jim Ryan - Morpho Analogue Synthesizer Edward Schocker - Sho Mark Soden - Trumpet & Flugelhorn Moe! Staiano - Cymbal Thom Tamayo - Flutes, Waterphone & Voice Ure Thrall - Voice & Electronics Benjamin Tinker - Synth & Chord Organ Tim Walters - Manta & Laptop Mark Wilson - Voice & Electronics Xo Xinh - Cable Hum & Processing Michael Zelner - iPod Touch and analog monosynth -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 23:46:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E90DB183460; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=C0eKafrOU9ktg6QpKgkYXEqZDSSwQKyDur4s3kba55U=; b=O6yygYUZ6ZK0SMpnoBn05R9T+SoH9Puz8a9wVVYurlO9/vptxL5rBNHiIhnFGPuhnk +RQQRaflLmWgrGfs2byswnISDmS4KiIUXbcxAm31sl5lIZmFi3uBCxnAuvnDqITpsljr +OgiahqednhP/eZ+iXMHEm0DwMhXIsLBbT3n8= From: Todd Matthews Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_96558117-9401-4414-A2DB-FA05DE08832B" Subject: Re: KMI Softstep Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:46:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9E524783-750D-48DA-8431-C9F9C31006AE@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <86E34549DC54209514B15275@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <4EDF7125.1090202@tiscali.co.uk> <9E524783-750D-48DA-8431-C9F9C31006AE@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:46:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_96558117-9401-4414-A2DB-FA05DE08832B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's great to hear the softstep has been improving. I need to pull it = out of the closet (as well as the santa suit) and start downloading the = updates. On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > I'm actually lovin it. Especially its weight which is nothing. I miss = my two controller pedals, ( softstep only has one) but then again, I = have 10 cc pedals on one bank! Programmability is amazing, takes a = while to grok though. Depending on your needs, it can indeed be the be = all end all, with all respect to the Gordius and my other colleagues.=20 >=20 > Imagine carrying a pedal which is only the thickness of a legal pad = though! >=20 > Be sure to check out Keith's quNeo too! >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:11 AM, mark francombe = wrote: -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 --Apple-Mail=_96558117-9401-4414-A2DB-FA05DE08832B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I'm actually lovin it. = Especially its weight which is nothing. I miss my two controller pedals, = ( softstep only has one) but then again, I have 10 cc pedals on = one bank! Programmability is amazing, takes a while to grok = though. Depending on your needs, it can indeed be the be all end all, = with all respect to the Gordius and my other = colleagues. Imagine carrying a pedal = which is only the thickness of a legal pad = though! Be sure to check out Keith's quNeo = too! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:11 = AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:

toddbass.com twitter: = gtodd876

= --Apple-Mail=_96558117-9401-4414-A2DB-FA05DE08832B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 23:53:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB45D18345A; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sflc8yXdtZVB/DVqRMoM+lVVLOb80LGlJPkqzp0dBGs=; b=yDl2uo/wV8gCmKFVkhU3rIPCtu5jkWCcyADSG1ZkP+8em6YMFoszk9nU2MrXwjZSRk YnSr8B5hfK4TBuZwyxbt1y2EzeUHITMytuyPBrxMKTfHyUciAXdSsN9sRRHuXlysihlK BCYBelZwRgRfOpW0nFsb+XY0dSJz2rsOI9kj4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:53:12 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Cheapish iPads? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know where to get a better deal than the $50 off refurbished pads at the Apple store? I think I've finally seen one app too many to not need this device. So sad. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 23:58:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6A75183464; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4O31zagQ1IPphuy5CtwAHVkcwB3F8AwXdzyfg9CR+xw=; b=Zh84TN4YAODXSYYZqI6siulC+Fc8zpTP03Sxa19FCgD+vBW+KVDgWmMjyKWPyra2hg U+rWJvuBjrdxXR8rRZP0j7wzbSIEoq2LOsGOQ/1bsMxGq779gJWSY/IfF30mHO7hd334 y0AmWxJgBpmlFK1OWHjRDC1t0EsbYqiUFPRt4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:58:11 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Kevin As despicable as some may find eBay, you "should" be able to get some deals there. Aside from the glass getting scratched up, it's not like there is a lot to go wrong on them =97 a plus side of using the flash storage on them. You can also watch the AT&T store for special deals =97 the data plan for the 3G version is monthly so you can drop it after month, so you'd want to factor in the cost of that (and you can buy the very cheapest one). We actually took advantage of a special thru AT&T and managed to save a bit more =85 I DO recommend going for the iPad2... And yeah, there are DEFINITELY some Apps that are coming out that really make worth a close look =97 I'm trying to figure out how I can afford a second one! Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Anyone know where to get a better deal than the $50 off refurbished > pads at the Apple store? =A0I think I've finally seen one app too many > to not need this device. > > So sad. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 00:03:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1144418345D; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=44TSxlKcxJvwDaefqEnoBIPAqT7SDg9qIhuGxhYm7Y4=; b=R1uJFQEC0n2BwVyjxvERO+x9HrPJyUZ609T4A8px1B/HWEG8B1x8C5+YSC0NSIhiYn QRh9vKQuuCrQhJEsUurMFKV6z1hBZbDoBzgxua6/NxIcjC8Cs45QzN06DiaoprCEFBne stlRm6wJo7e7HQZS4p+vybN4zGVyC+4uUmpr0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:03:31 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lVVCmmflM4N7LOnSQzv6h4ciZPo Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300513e229439a04b39d85ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:03:52 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300513e229439a04b39d85ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So what would you guys think was the absolute cheapest iPad possible to get.. smallest memory , hard disk (or whatever it is) Ive FILLED my iPhone with music/noise apps, and although handy on the bus, and worth a few jolly minutes, Im not gonna be a iPad Man... but... Touch OSC > missinglink. (oh and a few kids games...) so cheapest Second hand, whatever... m --20cf300513e229439a04b39d85ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So what would you guys think was the absolute cheapest iPad possible to get= .. smallest memory , hard disk (or whatever it is) Ive FILLED my iPh= one with music/noise apps, and although handy on the bus, and worth a few j= olly minutes, Im not gonna be a iPad Man... but... Touch OSC > missinglink. (oh and a few kids games...)<= br> so cheapest Second hand, whatever... m --20cf300513e229439a04b39d85ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 00:06:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F435183464; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2iQwcPaXf5Dl7Pe/582tMDY0hB4DfiBVgHBgegPtw+A=; b=wbKYrDO322UEQX5NnjqOuRUdHMoKNPcuPqU4o1M4JpxPg64O2qVPqpi9l6qAXogvTV cLNFiHHMI+IjLG3DMcRPXiioatbF7mXcfOwdNz8ZWC2KGevN+CsxzPYZlicrRI4aYdpq VDHKVQFGAHGGjDm973aqVAT6BiiyE8R6BUMZw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Mark. IF, and it's a big "if", you can score one without the 3G, get the biggest memory you can =85 try the Apple Store first for a refurb iPad2, non-3G. No idea what it will cost you there in Norway, tho'=85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > So what would you guys think was the absolute cheapest iPad possible to > get.. smallest memory , hard disk (or whatever it is) > > Ive FILLED my iPhone with music/noise apps, and although handy on the bus= , > and worth a few jolly minutes, Im not gonna be a iPad Man... > > but... > > Touch OSC > missinglink. (oh and a few kids games...) > > so cheapest > Second hand, whatever... > > m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 00:12:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C224183462; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=LsWBUricfeW4DoB7AXAP3P1dWc+Ies1YzzDNThTWzTk=; b=P4WP+Tbi0DYu6wpLjOMMRs2wKiMdIB6GBCnvpqgyBKtFs2bomfEkPakoaQmwHgP4zf sXC3dYYKsxlbWGcDnH+sd9KfOfzgs8Chqo7NHGGuuXu8Qa8su76+Z5IggBZPzUFuUfyx V+Or2PAQZ7P3auWQ+vMsmuhlIDb6yI2gSt+Og= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:11:53 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nGrF-R3E5y2bvjC55TgJHP6cBT8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b0a36178a0904b39da366 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:12:15 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305b0a36178a0904b39da366 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK.. I came in late in the iPad story, they always looked pretty silly to me, and now all my geek friends have tired of theirs,(lets face it, you HAVE to look up actors names on imdb just because you can), so Im a bit backward in "padSpeak" Whats 3G got to do with it? Is that the new thing that everyone want so the old ones are cheap? Here in Norway, everyones got too much money, so maybe ( if theres a new one just come out), I should just go check some skips (dumpsters). mark On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Dennis Moser wrote= : > Mark. > > IF, and it's a big "if", you can score one without the 3G, get the > biggest memory you can =85 try the Apple Store first for a refurb iPad2, > non-3G. No idea what it will cost you there in Norway, tho'=85 > > > Best, > > Dennis > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf305b0a36178a0904b39da366 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK.. I came in late in the iPad story, they always looked pretty silly to m= e, and now all my geek friends have tired of theirs,(lets face it, you HAVE= to look up actors names on imdb just because you can), so Im a bit backwar= d in "padSpeak" Whats 3G got to do with it? Is that the new thing that everyone want so= the old ones are cheap? Here in Norway, everyones got too much mone= y, so maybe ( if theres a new one just come out), I should just go check so= me skips (dumpsters). mark On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 = AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote: Mark. IF, and it's a big "if", you can score one without the 3G, ge= t the biggest memory you can =85 try the Apple Store first for a refurb iPad2, non-3G. =A0No idea what it will cost you there in Norway, tho'=85 Best, Dennis -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --20cf305b0a36178a0904b39da366-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 00:15:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82E10183473; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dbn9h9jUwiDkll/3gcJREegmzinp+jPvGD7ZOMUMJNM=; b=XK5VfRSoPYPekva3z43QxYjgtCGlb7wcqrsq7qi2IVnT+16bmBunmCw0HdTgtrYF/d tMjwbh5at8rBRxBrVN5KF1GZ7twZusLuj/Q7OsM+OaWd5p9EN+uNNfht/kLaYqUeJA6Z x0pSPTOb6bu6g7ZKtsq5ydWHx/PNDIaDAodeg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:15:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Mark, The "3G" refers to a cellular telephony chip that allows the iPad to run on a cellular phone network (hence the reference to the AT&T stores), theoretically like a giant iPhone. HOWEVER, for music goodness, it isn't needed since they all come with WiFi capability to run on a network. You can save some money by NOT buying a 3G version. I DO rec going with the iPad2 if you can get it because of a faster processor=85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > OK.. I came in late in the iPad story, they always looked pretty silly to > me, and now all my geek friends have tired of theirs,(lets face it, you H= AVE > to look up actors names on imdb just because you can), so Im a bit backwa= rd > in "padSpeak" > > Whats 3G got to do with it? Is that the new thing that everyone want so t= he > old ones are cheap? > > Here in Norway, everyones got too much money, so maybe ( if theres a new = one > just come out), I should just go check some skips (dumpsters). > > > mark > > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Dennis Moser > wrote: >> >> Mark. >> >> IF, and it's a big "if", you can score one without the 3G, get the >> biggest memory you can =85 try the Apple Store first for a refurb iPad2, >> non-3G. =A0No idea what it will cost you there in Norway, tho'=85 >> >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 00:20:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D171018348B; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=si8ZPubmxsHsI6KxnLLQQarhX95hFJwEK6Haipq5USY=; b=HDChzHjdkmnSXqeBnV+GXMvD7eS4AcUuBYee4tO32vsJW09Vw0UxBO/QW9HjSJvafz 22NEFn8h80mwUD4AKMwrEu7Uzs/GmSGLzi7PgfU/3vWy8osMJi6r7HBppCJV7NLMtpQN YXh5n20QCdzDo7du9tHfVFg5LWc4rGLv8X85o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:19:58 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: LETOaxLynh0LCFKPD5YpdBov_rI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b0a36fd85ab04b39dbf1b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:20:21 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305b0a36fd85ab04b39dbf1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok thx.. had a quick look.. cheapest here is about 3000 kroner, thats about 518 dollars, so.. NOT CHEAP ENOUGH!! later then.. M On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Dennis Moser wrote= : > Mark, > > The "3G" refers to a cellular telephony chip that allows the iPad to > run on a cellular phone network (hence the reference to the AT&T > stores), theoretically like a giant iPhone. > > HOWEVER, for music goodness, it isn't needed since they all come with > WiFi capability to run on a network. > > You can save some money by NOT buying a 3G version. I DO rec going > with the iPad2 if you can get it because of a faster processor=85 > > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > OK.. I came in late in the iPad story, they always looked pretty silly = to > > me, and now all my geek friends have tired of theirs,(lets face it, you > HAVE > > to look up actors names on imdb just because you can), so Im a bit > backward > > in "padSpeak" > > > > Whats 3G got to do with it? Is that the new thing that everyone want so > the > > old ones are cheap? > > > > Here in Norway, everyones got too much money, so maybe ( if theres a ne= w > one > > just come out), I should just go check some skips (dumpsters). > > > > > > mark > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Dennis Moser > > wrote: > >> > >> Mark. > >> > >> IF, and it's a big "if", you can score one without the 3G, get the > >> biggest memory you can =85 try the Apple Store first for a refurb iPad= 2, > >> non-3G. No idea what it will cost you there in Norway, tho'=85 > >> > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Dennis > >> > > > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf305b0a36fd85ab04b39dbf1b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok thx.. had a quick look.. cheapest here is about 3000 kroner, thats about= 518 dollars, so.. NOT CHEAP ENOUGH!! later then.. M <= br> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:15 A= M, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote: Mark, The "3G" refers to a cellular telephony chip that allows the iPad= to run on a cellular phone network (hence the reference to the AT&T stores), theoretically like a giant iPhone. HOWEVER, for music goodness, it isn't needed since they all come with WiFi capability to run on a network. You can save some money by NOT buying a 3G version. I DO rec going with the iPad2 if you can get it because of a faster processor=85 Best, Dennis http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com= http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 P= M, mark francombe <mark@markfr= ancombe.com> wrote: > OK.. I came in late in the iPad story, they always looked pretty silly= to > me, and now all my geek friends have tired of theirs,(lets face it, yo= u HAVE > to look up actors names on imdb just because you can), so Im a bit bac= kward > in "padSpeak" > > Whats 3G got to do with it? Is that the new thing that everyone want s= o the > old ones are cheap? > > Here in Norway, everyones got too much money, so maybe ( if theres a n= ew one > just come out), I should just go check some skips (dumpsters). > > > mark > > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Mark. >> >> IF, and it's a big "if", you can score one without t= he 3G, get the >> biggest memory you can =85 try the Apple Store first for a refurb = iPad2, >> non-3G. =A0No idea what it will cost you there in Norway, tho'= =85 >> >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfra= ncombe.com > www.ordoabkhao= .com > http://vimeo= .com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no<= /a> > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --20cf305b0a36fd85ab04b39dbf1b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 00:22:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A165183490; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=daJBZgdT+pIjtTXlGtpS2G1lO+4Haf0j2r5Tcx91xdo=; b=j0rWeDUN5teiZqJM3WAVifljacWVrEhi8CNIDWuowexAAwbsgdNOnb862EoLsnYkqp Oclx+g/oR1QI1G5B1JHHFJlKKubvgi4s69JGTQa5K1lR6AilBrJQyk3Y2b45FahE+m3v p2ehbrip/XpwVihiZ3lBhhqJBDochZ9Xe+bL0= Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? References: From: Charlie Milkey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8L1) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <938FC000-EF6D-4E97-9C67-54AB4AFC09E7@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:23:44 -0600 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8L1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:22:47 +0000 (UTC) I know how you feel-I just picked one up myself! As much as I don't think th= ey are that cool, everyone else does, and more importantly, developers do, a= nd that's why I got one. It also looks like they are making that jazzlemur m= utant app, so the cool apps probably won't stop for a while. Anyways, what h= elped me afford one was best buy is having an 18 month interest free financi= ng promotion for what it's worth...I don't know if you are able to take adva= ntage of it, but i can handle 100 dollar per month payments lol Charlie On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote= : > Anyone know where to get a better deal than the $50 off refurbished > pads at the Apple store? I think I've finally seen one app too many > to not need this device. >=20 > So sad. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.= >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 00:23:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4B1F183499; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sG4RoGx7y7aNyH4mlT7JRmvkIyfnDqNxjt1sARn8Z1c=; b=L9yTiuk9XH/aVPdgfZN4zFqs3QT1CDT4CCzFXKFR7KIsL3qDXMomsah+MGMfGqnuwW C8QVzGg/wWVadl3G7TLZ0z5hVPYZkePLvdH6teH64Suda2xctCEF9pmSyNAoVy3Ji69p WLdldvCJsw80SG8Z5RaH1Td78J3UI5s1EDkSU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:23:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:23:36 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:11 AM, mark francombe wrote: > OK.. I came in late in the iPad story, they always looked pretty silly to > me, and now all my geek friends have tired of theirs,(lets face it, you HAVE > to look up actors names on imdb just because you can), so Im a bit backward > in "padSpeak" > > Whats 3G got to do with it? Is that the new thing that everyone want so the > old ones are cheap? > > Here in Norway, everyones got too much money, so maybe ( if theres a new one > just come out), I should just go check some skips (dumpsters). You're right! When we I played at Oslo concert hall a couple of years ago me and a friend found loads of usable things thrown away in a dumpster in central Oslo. Fully functional voice memo recorders and office telephones that could be lined directly into a PA mixer (that we actually used in the concert). But hey - the iPad itslef does not "look silly" - it's the user who does! :-)) Per (dreaming about an iPad with real knobs and faders) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 01:06:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79F0B183464; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6GrkO1sDccm4u6Q3iaa6IUdIkvC8fX4QRTv+88SSIqc=; b=SfqptTz1Q+UNjwG4M/K+nHZNpwdmyO9Ec1z/UIjqijN2UQC/BVh1u2+ucJlv2FRWpx sovf4gtGOt317ok9/t7/q+KLSyNwoTwAiWA0GnzlExQUD91DHqdUVwDhnnk+hvbSGHXh fqJY3WHnLl2rD2oNAenIZSJdzxyz12yDapqpI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:06:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Mark, What are the specs on that one (K3000) ? Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > ok thx.. had a quick look.. cheapest here is about 3000 kroner, thats abo= ut > 518 dollars, so.. NOT CHEAP ENOUGH!! > > > later then.. > > M > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Dennis Moser > wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> The "3G" refers to a cellular telephony chip that allows the iPad to >> run on a cellular phone network (hence the reference to the AT&T >> stores), theoretically like a giant iPhone. >> >> HOWEVER, for music goodness, it isn't needed since they all come with >> WiFi capability to run on a network. >> >> You can save some money by NOT buying a 3G version. I DO rec going >> with the iPad2 if you can get it because of a faster processor=85 >> >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > OK.. I came in late in the iPad story, they always looked pretty silly >> > to >> > me, and now all my geek friends have tired of theirs,(lets face it, yo= u >> > HAVE >> > to look up actors names on imdb just because you can), so Im a bit >> > backward >> > in "padSpeak" >> > >> > Whats 3G got to do with it? Is that the new thing that everyone want s= o >> > the >> > old ones are cheap? >> > >> > Here in Norway, everyones got too much money, so maybe ( if theres a n= ew >> > one >> > just come out), I should just go check some skips (dumpsters). >> > >> > >> > mark >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Dennis Moser >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Mark. >> >> >> >> IF, and it's a big "if", you can score one without the 3G, get the >> >> biggest memory you can =85 try the Apple Store first for a refurb iPa= d2, >> >> non-3G. =A0No idea what it will cost you there in Norway, tho'=85 >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Dennis >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mark Francombe >> > www.markfrancombe.com >> > www.ordoabkhao.com >> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> > http://www.looop.no >> > twitter @markfrancombe >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 03:19:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4AEC183464; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FDbeoxOaVHFxkopcqOORaiesedlyQlkxLV5E8AHCwWc=; b=X4OFg0dOdUT9syayNer6tQ4UAyMhnvNW7e8I9CUH2yZ/3hSkkdSQrfmITFdGawrRNU 4hSsFlVdhyBjGOXUlJuBDnzzsonIM8IhzcFMGFBQhDw87lykpSbz+6bpAFSZIyjlKa7P sLwK7zSRS0s8PDsphTQ1WemU5GiJ/l4kTpfLQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:19:37 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Hey Dennis, What size iPad do you have? Do you think 16GB is too restrictive or do you find that its generally fine (I personally am not going to be watching movies or that stuff on it to be sure)? Just curious if 16GB is going to feel far to small very quickly. Kevin On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Dennis Moser wrot= e: > Mark, > > What are the specs on that one (K3000) ? > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, mark francombe w= rote: >> ok thx.. had a quick look.. cheapest here is about 3000 kroner, thats ab= out >> 518 dollars, so.. NOT CHEAP ENOUGH!! >> >> >> later then.. >> >> M >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Dennis Moser >> wrote: >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> The "3G" refers to a cellular telephony chip that allows the iPad to >>> run on a cellular phone network (hence the reference to the AT&T >>> stores), theoretically like a giant iPhone. >>> >>> HOWEVER, for music goodness, it isn't needed since they all come with >>> WiFi capability to run on a network. >>> >>> You can save some money by NOT buying a 3G version. I DO rec going >>> with the iPad2 if you can get it because of a faster processor=85 >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >>> http://audiozoloft.com >>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, mark francombe >>> wrote: >>> > OK.. I came in late in the iPad story, they always looked pretty sill= y >>> > to >>> > me, and now all my geek friends have tired of theirs,(lets face it, y= ou >>> > HAVE >>> > to look up actors names on imdb just because you can), so Im a bit >>> > backward >>> > in "padSpeak" >>> > >>> > Whats 3G got to do with it? Is that the new thing that everyone want = so >>> > the >>> > old ones are cheap? >>> > >>> > Here in Norway, everyones got too much money, so maybe ( if theres a = new >>> > one >>> > just come out), I should just go check some skips (dumpsters). >>> > >>> > >>> > mark >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Dennis Moser >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Mark. >>> >> >>> >> IF, and it's a big "if", you can score one without the 3G, get the >>> >> biggest memory you can =85 try the Apple Store first for a refurb iP= ad2, >>> >> non-3G. =A0No idea what it will cost you there in Norway, tho'=85 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Best, >>> >> >>> >> Dennis >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Mark Francombe >>> > www.markfrancombe.com >>> > www.ordoabkhao.com >>> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> > http://www.looop.no >>> > twitter @markfrancombe >>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 03:48:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E13A3183474; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DzkA8taAly+bPlGhzHycIzbVm5Z3sOLH6PPYCssDVlo=; b=naf1P80IN3i7eoUx7Sw04+BeqGDuLKCUF8Wa/TcJmqwrCH3F5O3vvpvrILg7//5efp pbVmqgXQDfrBQjUqc6cAXfrZY8j02JKstocBTG/Ml4uz+lmo5jcg+8Q9JLvnD/f2woz4 QAhHeQrdTCif6mda27EU8VjHJQ6ueakYm8EcI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 20:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Kevin, If you're dedicating the iPad to music work only, 16 GB may very well be enough. I took that approach with my iPod Touch, dedicated it to JUST music apps and I'm doing okay on space. I went whole hog and bought a 64 GB, but I'm in a situation of having to use it for both work purposes and for music (which is why I'm seriously considering a second iPad that I can dedicate for one use only =97 thinking 16-32GB). Right now, I have 131 apps on the 64GB iPad and it's taking up 7.2 GB =85 so there's still TONS of space. I try NOT to keep any production audio files on it, there's only a little music on it. Mostly, when I'm using it for music, I run the outputs to a recorder. Let me know if you need anymore details. (And anyone else who is interested= !) Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Hey Dennis, > > What size iPad do you have? =A0Do you think 16GB is too restrictive or > do you find that its generally fine (I personally am not going to be > watching movies or that stuff on it to be sure)? > > Just curious if 16GB is going to feel far to small very quickly. > > Kevin > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Dennis Moser wr= ote: >> Mark, >> >> What are the specs on that one (K3000) ? >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, mark francombe = wrote: >>> ok thx.. had a quick look.. cheapest here is about 3000 kroner, thats a= bout >>> 518 dollars, so.. NOT CHEAP ENOUGH!! >>> >>> >>> later then.. >>> >>> M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Dennis Moser >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mark, >>>> >>>> The "3G" refers to a cellular telephony chip that allows the iPad to >>>> run on a cellular phone network (hence the reference to the AT&T >>>> stores), theoretically like a giant iPhone. >>>> >>>> HOWEVER, for music goodness, it isn't needed since they all come with >>>> WiFi capability to run on a network. >>>> >>>> You can save some money by NOT buying a 3G version. I DO rec going >>>> with the iPad2 if you can get it because of a faster processor=85 >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >>>> http://audiozoloft.com >>>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, mark francombe >>>> wrote: >>>> > OK.. I came in late in the iPad story, they always looked pretty sil= ly >>>> > to >>>> > me, and now all my geek friends have tired of theirs,(lets face it, = you >>>> > HAVE >>>> > to look up actors names on imdb just because you can), so Im a bit >>>> > backward >>>> > in "padSpeak" >>>> > >>>> > Whats 3G got to do with it? Is that the new thing that everyone want= so >>>> > the >>>> > old ones are cheap? >>>> > >>>> > Here in Norway, everyones got too much money, so maybe ( if theres a= new >>>> > one >>>> > just come out), I should just go check some skips (dumpsters). >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > mark >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Dennis Moser >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Mark. >>>> >> >>>> >> IF, and it's a big "if", you can score one without the 3G, get the >>>> >> biggest memory you can =85 try the Apple Store first for a refurb i= Pad2, >>>> >> non-3G. =A0No idea what it will cost you there in Norway, tho'=85 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Best, >>>> >> >>>> >> Dennis >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Mark Francombe >>>> > www.markfrancombe.com >>>> > www.ordoabkhao.com >>>> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>>> > http://www.looop.no >>>> > twitter @markfrancombe >>>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Francombe >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> http://www.looop.no >>> twitter @markfrancombe >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>> >> > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 06:20:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BBBC183463; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 06:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1619 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 06:20:48 UTC From: To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com'" Subject: OT, well not really: The Emerging Art of Algorithmic Music (It's looped!) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:53:44 -0600 Message-ID: <01b501ccb636$eae16130$c0a42390$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Acy2NkvEqMyxsPx3Qv2xqSzf7my6IQ== Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 06:20:48 +0000 (UTC) http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27396/?ref=rss From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 07:40:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E2E0183462; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 07:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1323416428; bh=6gKaRm3ApSini+f8euyCod3cnujLdUIeMPNT0gh4f8c=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=uQDpnoWL+rOcehmK3o0ujVk5g7/UuTXDVO705rc5/ShJ/ZC35eQnR9Md3TM5KqzB1l/0qg0+5z/E2MxBUqT1HTxNWmOaVSf5ZKVIz0uPBJd+vLywCdofm23iRzISJZKkXPhDj7il/RrMg6hZ9KyduZDBk0h71lYGCzivM6Pzbr8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 85713.93944.bm@smtp130.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: pbR9Vy0VM1nAL.6dv6QLX6zUEu4qFs6_GNQLrua2EPM3Ycq IYysHCJ_32EciMwJuUUdk.3SWnfOCGKLH6o3OU4exsqgkVBCaF9Ki_YJZlgA 5gLxX1UwToLuC8RjjTblFN3ocpbuktS._FFim5A9LNSJzg2ltal4a.b6b1OG oqMDFIEszTM7FxgZ8wwvQ2XX_0oRstW1L.Z6Fp9ik6eguvbbbzczK9pGgV7S P0B9bdiidGbA9D4MPxCYBXuneLHVVz6ieJicoJku3fNqyLlDbTMuduEI_R97 mnTHTT15HF0v9qIiPRRYEWepiinO6YdP9mU_fCqdWH83QYvucVNVsKybOM7O 9bN_.IkyEiCa3uoeASYriCPPM.DV4yWPs_wPInYaLn.9_RinTuq7Dg1eh0DN 4lwTcdYO0TDdpwy_PiX3jehnjlTJdrIvfv8ENEDlz.kFZondDhqDOd1txG_J 12Di77OZ5NcxAldLQ7hLI7gkjWcWq1babXmetuWGco_cHNG_hb.drCjw_dTO 6L016meuMEYAAk3TkcT7BpvBt_C_zuX7iVJXOIQnQZx3lZ8dHTd9PdX1nsOx v6GKTCHLpzV3dgObE4ZDxp.dLy.gYaGkoBb.C5lDmXokOhWZ24Bl1jFFYlFr XZQCqc6AIzfYSgaDDpaMw X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:40:28 +0100 Subject: Re: OT, well not really: The Emerging Art of Algorithmic Music (It's looped!) In-Reply-To: <01b501ccb636$eae16130$c0a42390$@michaelplishka.com> References: <01b501ccb636$eae16130$c0a42390$@michaelplishka.com> Message-Id: <20111209084028.34D9EF68.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 07:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I came accross this some months ago. Nice, I still haven't figured all the math but it's amazing. A single line of code and some parts sound like patterns. Yes it's looping (or perhaps more modulo-ing or counter-wrapping) but I let you calculate the period ;-) You can experiment online at http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/ or http://entropedia.co.uk/generative_music/ To comment about the OT flag: I like this kind of stuff as I think most of this list members do. Even if I'm mainly a lurker (possibly because my englis is so-so) and with almost 2000 mails behind, i think this list is one of the most informative I follow and most OT subjects are in my interest domains. The other one beeing the now dead (I don't like forums) Nord modular one. regards, Ben. -------------------------------------------------- wrote: (09/12/2011 06:53) > http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27396/?ref=rss From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 10:09:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8C7B183460; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:09:07 +0000 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01/qnmh24MHrn83CzwP3MNS/U911XqLG7WWfk/2E7vNHHXR+r3H1c=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:09:24 +0000 (UTC) I got mine off of Ebay with a tiny crack in one corner and a few minor=20 scratches on the screen. It's risky because you don't know how bad=20 scratches might be from pictures and the screen is very expensive to=20 replace, obviously, but I consider myself pretty lucky with my purchase.=20 The blemishes are hardly noticeable and don't affect the use of the device=20 at all. So, long story short, a second hand, wifi-only iPad 1 would be your best=20 bet if you can find the right one. If that isn't cheap enough nothing will = be. Philip. --On 08 December 2011 16:58 -0700 Dennis Moser =20 wrote: > Kevin > > As despicable as some may find eBay, you "should" be able to get some > deals there. Aside from the glass getting scratched up, it's not like > there is a lot to go wrong on them =E2=80=94 a plus side of using the = flash > storage on them. > > You can also watch the AT&T store for special deals =E2=80=94 the data = plan > for the 3G version is monthly so you can drop it after month, so you'd > want to factor in the cost of that (and you can buy the very cheapest > one). > > We actually took advantage of a special thru AT&T and managed to save > a bit more =E2=80=A6 I DO recommend going for the iPad2... > > And yeah, there are DEFINITELY some Apps that are coming out that > really make worth a close look =E2=80=94 I'm trying to figure out how I = can > afford a second one! > > Best, > > Dennis > > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando > wrote: >> Anyone know where to get a better deal than the $50 off refurbished >> pads at the Apple store? =C2=A0I think I've finally seen one app too = many >> to not need this device. >> >> So sad. >> >> Kevin >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >> trouble. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision:=C2=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 11:16:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0DDC183454; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE1EE0C.5050300@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 03:16:28 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE References: <8CE83AB13BAC901-2264-2DFD1@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CE83AB13BAC901-2264-2DFD1@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:16:37 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Patrick Bishop wrote: > If there was such thing as a */Consumer Patience Award/* I would > nominate all of you who are waiting for your LP-2's!! Knowing the circumstances of Bob Amstadt's life in the last year, it is a minor miracle that this product is going to ship at all, let alone very soon. Knowing that he's creating this thing entirely by himself whilst pulling a very heavy, demanding 40-50 hour a week hi tech job, while he provides and cares for a family of five, giving up virtually ALL of his free time to work on this project through the death of his father and repeated back orderings by companies who manufacture parts for the unit........all the while being heavily underfunded.......... ...............I would like to nominate all of you waiting for your pre-paid LP-2s for the Consumer Compassion Award. This innovator and contributor to the live looping world deserves it. And the LP-2 is going to rock, heavily. I assure you. I've been putting mine through the paces. respectfully, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 14:45:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E26CE183463; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UAITKC5rHtkd65KgF5X1YZAHSPSIlUGFvsrgTD/2VIg=; b=bWxV8TKxMLgzjUwn4kX/pGMK01blzCuTdQ5SNwmfB5kgRdtG5dU1nVyy9bn1z9PY1+ SDFhYGIzvgMI28yTlqFd+9ZHwo6Xx2mNMHj+muchw7/9DzQWrabliG0kSlWBEfR2Zdt1 eEQqmuqtnkIZbF12JxWbaw/ZCpxCyuaso2Swo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 07:45:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheapish iPads? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Well-put, Philip! Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Philip Conway wrote: > I got mine off of Ebay with a tiny crack in one corner and a few minor > scratches on the screen. =A0It's risky because you don't know how bad > scratches might be from pictures and the screen is very expensive to > replace, obviously, but I consider myself pretty lucky with my purchase. = The > blemishes are hardly noticeable and don't affect the use of the device at > all. > > So, long story short, a second hand, wifi-only iPad 1 would be your best = bet > if you can find the right one. =A0If that isn't cheap enough nothing will= be. > > > Philip. > > > --On 08 December 2011 16:58 -0700 Dennis Moser > wrote: > >> Kevin >> >> As despicable as some may find eBay, you "should" be able to get some >> deals there. =A0Aside from the glass getting scratched up, it's not like >> there is a lot to go wrong on them =97 a plus side of using the flash >> storage on them. >> >> You can also watch the AT&T store for special deals =97 the data plan >> for the 3G version is monthly so you can drop it after month, so you'd >> want to factor in the cost of that (and you can buy the very cheapest >> one). >> >> We actually took advantage of a special thru AT&T and managed to save >> a bit more =85 I DO recommend going for the iPad2... >> >> And yeah, there are DEFINITELY some Apps that are coming out that >> really make worth a close look =97 I'm trying to figure out how I can >> afford a second one! >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando >> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know where to get a better deal than the $50 off refurbished >>> pads at the Apple store? =A0I think I've finally seen one app too many >>> to not need this device. >>> >>> So sad. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> -- >>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >>> trouble. >>> >>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>> >>> Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org >>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 17:27:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55ED8183462; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4EE244E2.013C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=fhT/UpLGCVErenvyo3Rrz4zdN09biEzbpvwa6pSN/4U= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=DfqNE17iHtmrD02t3j4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <8CE83AB13BAC901-2264-2DFD1@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> <4EE1EE0C.5050300@cruzio.com> Subject: Bob's Dad (was: LP-2 ) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:26:52 -0800 Message-ID: <4ABAC03A07ED45C69F03D5CB488517CB@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acy2ZAX3ZTkDiVe5SNKSEYHz8x/w1gAM2dEg In-Reply-To: <4EE1EE0C.5050300@cruzio.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to hear of Bob's father passing--when I first heard of this pedal, he was ailing. Hope his passing was merciful-- Happy holidays everyone. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 21:06:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 124D4183460; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 21:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 22:06:24 +0100 From: buzap@gmx.net Message-ID: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 To: "LD LoopersDelight" X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+N/FZPb/iNfFfPMsp/pL3zUPnsRAHZXT5czBG51A BFVvnI5FlXsJWWl+Q7LYHDG4oWWbEkvT2oSw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Bx2QbgJfeSEqa8h4kHUhGtt+IGRvb8Ao Resent-Message-ID: <_cn3kC.A.BIH.Vhn4OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 21:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys so, there is a new version of Logic Pro 9 available as download from Mac App Store for only 199,- ! It's just the basic SW. But check this out: you can download all the 19GB instruments etc. for free! Mainstage comes as a new version 2.2. (great feature: direct midi mapping without screen controls). Would be interesting how all this performs on multi-core/64bit. best regards Buzap -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurück-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 21:41:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40DA518345D; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 21:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE28068.8060806@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:40:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #766 for December 8, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9FqX7.A.FqH.rBo4OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 21:40:59 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/111208.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #766 December 8, 2011. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8008 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Esoterica" on Poundsounds. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Paul Ellis The Click and Chime Out of the Vast Comes Nearness of Passing Time Lotuspike Paul Nagle MoogyLan BogetMan Beyond E-ville (Bogus Focus) Mazmoneth De Molay Music By Mirrors (DiN) Mazmoneth Kali's Day Off Music By Mirrors (DiN) Numina A Deep Sense Subterranean Landscapes (Numinamusic Recordings) Dan Pound Esoterica Part One Esoterica (Poundsounds) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Dan Pound Esoterica Part Two Esoterica (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Esoterica Part Three Esoterica (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Esoterica Part Four Esoterica (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Esoterica Part Five Esoterica (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Esoterica Part Six Esoterica (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Esoterica Part Seven Esoterica (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Esoterica Part Eight Esoterica (Poundsounds) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Living Planet" on Poundsounds. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 22:13:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C52418345F; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 22:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NzG58JjHSrhQoF7gIpW5me3S1qzc2EMK213L7OApeN4=; b=IZOgYJdTj1wEtk42GDjABjRlaOY9vOtMBzGatSm5jhmnCQ1AVGuTFla9CLDqv0XdZC +/OXzQNwuItBFo/ya5Ik1CYZ8djzuUmM3PKSmQd5c4+Tx9i35xV7FVuCC5ys7KWFu5i/ tL9ci24NAZ+c1wqaThw3mZ3TE4Vtu3xwaIXtc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 23:13:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 22:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Nice price. I bought the MS 2.2 upgrade yesterday. Nice with a overview page for MIDI binding for me when I play the EWI because an EWI always sends a lot of simultaneous CC# when you play it and therefor you can't send just one specific CC# in order to MIDI learn it. This version also supports 4 and 8 core cpu computers so people with the 4 core Macbook Pro will get a lot of live juice with MS2. I have the 2 core i7 MBP and even with the the new hyperthreading that handles 2 cores as 4 cores I'm not finding MS 2.2 as CPU efficient as Live 8. But for switching between lots of alternative effect chain patches MS wins because Live doesn't offer that at all. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:06 PM, wrote: > Hi guys > > so, there is a new version of Logic Pro 9 available as download from Mac = App Store for only 199,- ! It's just the basic SW. But check this out: you = can download all the 19GB instruments etc. for free! > Mainstage comes as a new version 2.2. (great feature: direct midi mapping= without screen controls). Would be interesting how all this performs on mu= lti-core/64bit. > > best regards > Buzap > -- > NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zur=C3=BCck-Garantie! > Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 01:15:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6F95183452; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 01:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE2B290.5020800@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:14:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 01:15:10 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, December 10 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 02:07:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C9EA183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 02:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <01b501ccb636$eae16130$c0a42390$@michaelplishka.com> <20111209084028.34D9EF68.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <20111209084028.34D9EF68.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Subject: RE: OT, well not really: The Emerging Art of Algorithmic Music (It's looped!) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 20:07:16 -0600 Message-ID: <010e01ccb6e0$71f653c0$55e2fb40$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHYovcDmY0WfxGL0j7RztVUKAACGALOeXFclaYHCPA= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 02:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Ben for the links, much appreciated!!! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 1:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT, well not really: The Emerging Art of Algorithmic Music (It's looped!) Hi, I came accross this some months ago. Nice, I still haven't figured all the math but it's amazing. A single line of code and some parts sound like patterns. Yes it's looping (or perhaps more modulo-ing or counter-wrapping) but I let you calculate the period ;-) You can experiment online at http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/ or http://entropedia.co.uk/generative_music/ To comment about the OT flag: I like this kind of stuff as I think most of this list members do. Even if I'm mainly a lurker (possibly because my englis is so-so) and with almost 2000 mails behind, i think this list is one of the most informative I follow and most OT subjects are in my interest domains. The other one beeing the now dead (I don't like forums) Nord modular one. regards, Ben. -------------------------------------------------- wrote: (09/12/2011 06:53) > http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27396/?ref=rss From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 11:06:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 525D9183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=4i2NZl+HAEPXZEXVdS0qZM7oqbR93n6NB8fxKSlEne4=; b=RiGpFTV9GH8i4CdFoDDJ/E84xte3U0/lU+1LZUwfYIVrW+CTXx1f/+0ElfYA7bt/xS ihQ8x5A6rzfHndKCGUCTHBmdgT9FOCQ3L6vzX9dh4N5TEHEOh/mWTnvvHP3AxMU0OQDH 22IUogpkrM3iYSVOxdW04rUyXly7s44HbLCLM= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:06:00 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: <0qz15.A.G7H.d0z4OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the heads up Buznap and Per. Seems like this will be a good = experimental weekend with new mainstage, new Ableton, new Softstep = updates. I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU efficient = software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a midi = command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects patch = currently used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from previous = effects patches=85.. and if your CPU meter is under 50% then there are = no glitches. Maybe 2012 will be the year! On Dec 9, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Nice price. I bought the MS 2.2 upgrade yesterday. Nice with a > overview page for MIDI binding for me when I play the EWI because an > EWI always sends a lot of simultaneous CC# when you play it and > therefor you can't send just one specific CC# in order to MIDI learn > it. This version also supports 4 and 8 core cpu computers so people > with the 4 core Macbook Pro will get a lot of live juice with MS2. I > have the 2 core i7 MBP and even with the the new hyperthreading that > handles 2 cores as 4 cores I'm not finding MS 2.2 as CPU efficient as > Live 8. But for switching between lots of alternative effect chain > patches MS wins because Live doesn't offer that at all. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:06 PM, wrote: >> Hi guys >>=20 >> so, there is a new version of Logic Pro 9 available as download from = Mac App Store for only 199,- ! It's just the basic SW. But check this = out: you can download all the 19GB instruments etc. for free! >> Mainstage comes as a new version 2.2. (great feature: direct midi = mapping without screen controls). Would be interesting how all this = performs on multi-core/64bit. >>=20 >> best regards >> Buzap >> -- >> NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zur=FCck-Garantie! >> Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone >>=20 >=20 -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 12:34:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3381718345D; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cDdESFz3tL2Y/nbUMd4L5Kgz7Tl6qmQU5gCSVxcL/Tc=; b=vLczTc/7x1p/8w5yD/y35USq2bhoK33KsPbDW5D/SupyLXpYFg0nXwWcb7uw9/3f9L XKkYTDiPjk1UMemVtioljWdu2Z/353s38zdtuWw9INlPHMbp61cm6HfMDQlfijA4eeTq GN6C+buK/0baybOol/eI1yAq7wWs9aMqi5mAw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:34:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Cass county waltz From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340bc931615b04b3bc205b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:34:43 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340bc931615b04b3bc205b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Didnt see link of this on the list yet - this is so soothing, beautiful piece! Been playing it over and over this morning, here in grey wintery Finland. http://youtu.be/9JuTnXCqfBU -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340bc931615b04b3bc205b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Didnt see link of this on the list yet - this is so soothing, beautiful piece! Been playing it over and over this morning, here in grey wintery Finland. http://youtu.be/9JuTnXCqfBU -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340bc931615b04b3bc205b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 12:47:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC4D7183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+Qd8W1/Q0sCk1ae69CbtbSdVfsS31KRqP4POXJsJP2w=; b=RieXnEpLo7u9+MbTwKyIMm6pMfu2fX6jP4p/L490Afw16KGafb4iwZ0x+Iy8SCJ9B8 1xZdfKtKb3+SxikLKLZwzLMX3RQwr890jo2qQKF1nWEfwOAXdQ0y9PHOq8wrKbHaBKHS 6vpzrFVmUskkUSPgqJHRAOPslzgA1PjoXtJxs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE1EE0C.5050300@cruzio.com> References: <8CE83AB13BAC901-2264-2DFD1@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> <4EE1EE0C.5050300@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:47:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934118d4c8cd804b3bc4c96 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:47:02 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934118d4c8cd804b3bc4c96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fine piece of writing of a thing called "perspective". Thank you Rick. 2011/12/9 Rick Walker > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Patrick Bishop wrote: > >> If there was such thing as a */Consumer Patience Award/* I would nominate >> all of you who are waiting for your LP-2's!! >> > > Knowing the circumstances of Bob Amstadt's life in the last year, it is a > minor miracle that this product is going to ship > at all, let alone very soon. > > Knowing that he's creating this thing entirely by himself whilst pulling a > very heavy, demanding 40-50 hour a week > hi tech job, while he provides and cares for a family of five, giving up > virtually ALL of his free time to work on this project through > the death of his father and repeated back orderings by companies who > manufacture parts for the unit........all the while being > heavily underfunded.......... > > ...............I would like to nominate all of you waiting for your > pre-paid LP-2s for the Consumer Compassion Award. > > This innovator and contributor to the live looping world deserves it. > > And the LP-2 is going to rock, heavily. I assure you. I've been putting > mine through the paces. > > respectfully, Rick Walker > > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae934118d4c8cd804b3bc4c96 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fine piece of writing of a thing called "perspective". Thank you = Rick. 2011/12/9 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>= On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Patrick Bishop wrote: If there was such thing as a */Consumer Patience Award/* I would nominate a= ll of you who are waiting for your LP-2's!! Knowing the circumstances of Bob Amstadt's life in the last year, =A0it= is a minor miracle that this product is going to ship at all, let alone very soon. Knowing that he's creating this thing entirely by himself whilst pullin= g a very heavy, demanding 40-50 hour a week hi tech job, while he provides and cares for a family of five, =A0giving up= virtually ALL of his free time to work on this project through the death of his father and repeated back orderings by companies who manufa= cture parts for the unit........all the while being heavily underfunded.......... ...............I would like to nominate all of you waiting for your pre-paid LP-2s for the Consumer Compassion Award. This innovator and contributor to the live looping world deserves it. And the LP-2 is going to rock, heavily. =A0 I assure you. =A0I've been = putting mine through the paces. respectfully, =A0Rick Walker -- Petri Lahtinen <= br> --14dae934118d4c8cd804b3bc4c96-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 12:56:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37DA318345E; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UoeotjLpW5mM7PCzmilFOhRMrCe9FUO3wooyd97WtcU=; b=Pk4phZcUhUPqO2Rk2zX1ddsw9/m9crPzLWdv//zVLraA71u8XcPzdqWJ8CX74k9npp hEYm6bhMo0Jci/q0/BZRyIua5iBe5ZFwIr0EW2tm9pxY555SqdApJZMOteDl3urYm58t aVyLfyDmw/zfjUvTXLlu9PZZcUtbtme5UvRJA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:56:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:56:10 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Todd Matthews wrot= e: > I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU efficient = software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a midi co= mmand and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects patch curre= ntly used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from previous effects patche= s=E2=80=A6.. and if your CPU meter is under 50% then there are no glitches.= Maybe 2012 will be the year! No need to wait, Mainstage does that! Switching between effect patches uses very little CPU. All other patches, that you are not playing through (but maybe want to switch to later) doesn't tax the CPU at all. It is only the effects patch you do play through, the active patch, that taxes the CPU. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 15:39:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DFFF183462; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=w26e7yeVtiC7ZgzcGXzTpdoUwh8i+sjhwXc/LKdv3QI=; b=EvClleYhb2q9ivaGV75pwcgWGSjzdT6ZPJPDlKl9JnHHrV+0wvRXHxNtmCxk9MQcm1 J5NDcmRQCOGJK3sy2jSPhNLmg5htQyvZPpxv+sD4Agkk33sx5G27P/W83p6bsd8uuc/L 8BuZ5e6j4UyNBcoR/8cJsVspn9DMzyTWO+XLM= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:39:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:39:25 +0000 (UTC) I'm gonna try it out today and tomorrow to do another one of my cheesy = holiday looping covers:) I'm gonna cross my fingers this adventure goes glitch free on my dual = core i7 lappy. I'll report my results with updated Mainstage and Softstep. On Dec 10, 2011, at 7:56 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Todd Matthews = wrote: >> I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU = efficient software that lets you easily switch between effects patches = with a midi command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the = effects patch currently used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from = previous effects patches=85.. and if your CPU meter is under 50% then = there are no glitches. Maybe 2012 will be the year! >=20 >=20 > No need to wait, Mainstage does that! Switching between effect patches > uses very little CPU. All other patches, that you are not playing > through (but maybe want to switch to later) doesn't tax the CPU at > all. It is only the effects patch you do play through, the active > patch, that taxes the CPU. >=20 > Per >=20 -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 15:51:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DE2E18345F; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lH0vMjAKlYLsWRn6dxagt/X5I+DD3+uxaUO0o8Ky8Ro=; b=L35tDx6blkW64W3Q5Ug8aiQR8C83fLuPKHxlS9tVPg2WCHW7cg+WWJIX1UHunMQB5n ABxA3VJwdcFTskCoGZwyFt77fGMSg5bMB5xbikEad7x+U6DJpiMxSWiPfVGzO4KOSLUq dVd8LV2J3ZxeThDArucON8YVXFScdV/0d/6+E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:51:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <5S7oG.A.XMD.MA44OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:51:41 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > I'll report my results with updated Mainstage and Softstep. Looking forward to read! Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 16:15:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97D5C183462; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TluNkH2lqHwUpivUDgeM07G6LflM8Yf5MuEzPZPtSow=; b=s5DI//113POfsLR5F34PJa71uNKh2KaNZ35hZvBlrRmVIaiHWiqaBajdBjao/0C785 rTmUworA0fOQAtIRyaa4RL0gx5zLnIpZTVEdZx8+4tEmGBsSQrD4NDgBe4P/9JhImXET COC26PnxpnZypvTB7VZO4UNoTEifVE9F9MIOQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:15:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_vilpC.A._nD.yW44OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:15:46 +0000 (UTC) 2011/12/10, Todd Matthews : > I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU efficient > software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a midi > command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects patch > currently used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from previous effects > patches=85.. well, plogue bidule does exactly that, several versions ago. --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 16:18:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97FA183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=gFtTg/8rKWd0I4mzePLO4LQqn0yqf8P9T+oitRynaq0=; b=ZzdTr1fQ8plpqvmsEVkM0sO32USz86naCZ6SDHLRiSISeOq8eb5B3sqlzlPOavmHOp TzGOpyUjTN5wa2CxAVE35vdyywq2FxGB8x01UKjredqvSZ09JhnyMHs32mLAazEMSLed 3yHDRvAhtN7r+VWHTN1iYD3bEAvQjFyPUdmzM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:17:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e659feb831d8b304b3bf3f3b Resent-Message-ID: <0RWYAB.A.2uD.AZ44OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:18:08 +0000 (UTC) --0016e659feb831d8b304b3bf3f3b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wait... I do this with the effects chain in Live's Audio Effects rack all the time using the chain selector, overlapping delays and all... On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell wro= te: > 2011/12/10, Todd Matthews : > > > I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU efficien= t > > software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a mid= i > > command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects patch > > currently used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from previous effec= ts > > patches=85.. > > well, plogue bidule does exactly that, several versions ago. > > -- > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --0016e659feb831d8b304b3bf3f3b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wait... I do this with=A0the effects chain in Live's Audio Effects rack= all the time using=A0the chain selector, overlapping delays and all...=A0<= br> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Ra=FCl = Bonell <raul.= bonell@gmail.com> wrote: 2011/12/10, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com>: > I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU= efficient > software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a mi= di > command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects patc= h > currently used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from previous effe= cts > patches=85.. well, plogue bidule does exactly that, several versions ago. -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumbl= r.com - collective.= com -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 The Best Classical Music of=A0= the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com =95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ht= tp://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://m= yspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynold= s http://r= everbnation.com/toddreynolds = --0016e659feb831d8b304b3bf3f3b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 16:21:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F65C183462; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=HrpSrOqIqkHA7g6xpcSCXkoEFJbow3agsYCcmw1Mc8U=; b=WfkinDHdqMjLGLLnscUOBaq3Q2CkaSz537+pc/0P2T0pEgQjCL7HHCmJcebSPK7Wfz 0Ppg+5uMgGcJl8p6yNyVOqEzs+zEfsE6xeMRKCRJ7dOrk0JGe8g06N5ArfsMYpTPjokt UVUAq+Zm2cQxvA2apGayncUynzYwII0PVJxYE= From: bruno kleinefeld Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LP2 - multiply? Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:21:25 +0100 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Given that from the Looperlative Facebook page (where I am trying to = communicate with Bob) seems that the long Lp2 gestation is coming to a = (happy?) end I was trying to understand if the baby will be able to do "multiply" EDP = style. Searched everywhere but I found only controversial info. Anybody (Rick?) has more precise details about it? In case which small new looper has that function?=20 tx best b:k= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 16:24:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100E418345F; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S2QIHoAsH2nWd8vsT+SwP3L3yEq+S9nt4G/QhXZRBvU=; b=iVCU9UGY0mdwGCocsDbK2OuL+/jHmqtaNDwv1AT7Zemrm0KOxMWcYyWxXgGmAKkbmO 5eUnhbbhrLr78ci7ethraGPfQOhTNdeZG4imeg7vcVyrp4Lu4Lb5FVLSdSh1MWojz9oB XO0ZB6qIRLH2z7thNlXPeBuh8mJyv69uOWn34= Message-ID: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:21:03 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Am 10.12.2011 17:21, schrieb bruno kleinefeld: > I was trying to understand if the baby will be able to do "multiply" EDP style. > Searched everywhere but I found only controversial info. > > In case which small new looper has that function? The Boss DD20 does something like the EDPs "unrounded multiply" in its delay modes. And I would assume that many delays which allow you to tap the delay time allow you to do that. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 16:36:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88D8F183461; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NyEAhv7tZwk8XcNcvyZLYYOpsC6UwEm9SvjK7BqA9A0=; b=Ggp5x7kK0RuEwsG2BmzB+j8vmYEr7GYBbDobhMXn39DcL767p8yeMDMU7zBpM4bXtm L2uSjt3v7lLHUDlzwOfqRx1BbognjSL4S8Qab4bW/iWMsts7auAOiVNehSCbSMhroQLb 2zpI1XrJN3hOWFbzAOQvBkh5jSVCk/Dt9/gvU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:36:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:36:23 +0000 (UTC) ableton stills charging some cpu cycles even if you turn them off, not like bidule, which is more efficient at this point. -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 16:39:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63FDB183463; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=9AqK1Qv9kNJi4ldghJG5NxpQsINtnZlyFBPiEtgZGT0=; b=pizXjVOZF1RytPmcGAkhwqBC4fm2EKLCw0kahU3E+mm4jtOsnlo6u/hMloAXvfpcps zVfkq18GSAapLr3BJg9sf0kI4vWxs7Pkgyma6cxI1ti+fR/aG2wdzMr8ribaysq95Dom VQrdBN7mzEKFC+Mxw4ZuRQZLZ2cbI3tNg9gA8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:39:00 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jDgUsObCBOqu5ufEdl1TQCZi8pc Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303a31b12324d104b3bf8b21 Resent-Message-ID: <6RW4s.A.OWE.5s44OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:39:22 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303a31b12324d104b3bf8b21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Am 10.12.2011 17:21, schrieb bruno kleinefeld: > >> I was trying to understand if the baby will be able to do "multiply" EDP >> style. >> Searched everywhere but I found only controversial info. >> > I was wondering what you define as EDP style multiply? Do you mean the type where it multiplys AS YOU GO, instead of suddenly giving you a pre-detemined multiply amount? (X2 X4 etc). If so, then I agree that the precise way that EDP does it (combined with the ingenious and unique LED display) is perfect. One of the reasons why I couldnt qute replace EDP with Mobius is that I am so used to the EDP multiply. (I only wish EDP had the Mobius DIVIDE) . -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303a31b12324d104b3bf8b21 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com><= /span> wrote: Am 10.12.2011 17:21, schrieb bruno kleinefeld: I was trying to understand if the baby will be able to do "multiply&qu= ot; EDP style. Searched everywhere but I found only controversial info. I was wondering what you define as EDP style = multiply? Do you mean the type where it multiplys AS YOU GO, instead of sud= denly giving you a pre-detemined multiply amount? (X2 X4 etc). If so, then = I agree that the precise way that EDP does it (combined with the ingenious = and unique LED display) is perfect. One of the reasons why I couldnt qute r= eplace EDP with Mobius is that I am so used to the EDP multiply. (I only wi= sh EDP had the Mobius DIVIDE) . -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr= .com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303a31b12324d104b3bf8b21-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 16:46:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E2A6183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CXYz3ff9qLR2eqm2F1AEYhSCjDgq596QVCy5Ym8csK0=; b=ajW5mUKomI7IFGuHSdw7cm8uJ71YITwRFRv4FhkpThOvnux6hzQcUE3cnx/kIosIao NFSte5lihgCFgcJEa9x0dUTHyHvBAXdXakP1byF/ziip5E+GN3a6bpINxMGlKwnyU2Cq cxPIi5iTTtB0/44wpmWZqDpsTHudBRnBA9hZY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:46:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:46:32 +0000 (UTC) > 2011/12/10, Todd Matthews : > >> I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU efficient >> software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a midi >> command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects patch >> currently used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from previous effect= s >> patches=E2=80=A6.. On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Ra=C3=BCl Bonell w= rote: > well, plogue bidule does exactly that, several versions ago. Yes, that's correct. Before Mainstage existed I always used Bidule to switch between effect patches. In fact, when Mainstage came around it was like a copy of my Bidule setup, but better sounding and less CPU intensive. But my Bidule Group for dynamically awaiting the previous patch's tail to go down before closing the old line is still better than the fixed number of seconds overlap Mainstage uses (BTW, if anyone wants to pick up this custom made Group it is named "Tailprsv". Should be shared by the deep hackers at the Bidule forum, or I can send one by email). My reason for using Mainstage rather than Bidule today is not this simple patch switching but the better (and way less expensive) effect plugins and virtual instruments (synths, sampler) that comes as part of MS. It's just ridiculously cheap that you now get all that for $30. On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > Wait... I do this with the effects chain in Live's Audio Effects rack all > the time using the chain selector, overlapping delays and all... Yes, many do so. The difference is that Live doesn't fully offload CPU load for devices not in use. Mainstage can do that because it loads every plugin into RAM when you boot up the application. I happily use Live now but there is no way I could keep 55 alternative patches at hand, in Live, to be instantly loaded by kicking a foot switch, each one of those patches almost maxing out the CPU when active. In Live I go with a different approach: I set up a couple effects I might use and simply turn them off or on (like the rack trick you mentioned). Since the last Live 8 upgrade Live has gotten way more CPU friendly and I'm noticing here that exactly the same number of third-party effects use less of the CPU when run under Live compared to when run under Mainstage. But that's not the point in using Mainstage. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 17:00:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80B6F183461; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SVd4huQNpULNsKmjGCYgBWCtp36OE7eJxMxTgCoRb4M=; b=kmFkzxlq6aT3/nTct91+W50eIkmYl+etEI5kAXZXmgXyO8qc2NxOy3J2OSY5egYPmn JmFQlBl2JPqJzlJqyS8NaCRV1P0cX+KxGccvO44+h4EqFFNT3f767QHStCZYqG24W5fV iy488Hr+L77LrHPcMEcgraUBZMZRIKlE7IUaM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:00:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:00:03 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:06 PM, wrote: > so, there is a new version of Logic Pro 9 available as download from Mac App Store for only 199,- ! It's just the basic SW. But check this out: you can download all the 19GB instruments etc. for free! > Mainstage comes as a new version 2.2. (great feature: direct midi mapping without screen controls). Would be interesting how all this performs on multi-core/64bit. Peter Kirn posted a write-up. Excellent as usual: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/12/logic-9-and-updated-mainstage-on-app-store-at-cut-rate-prices/ Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 17:05:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A8CB183463; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=KJPzEy/aa0g6RZtP4OzY9bAjAD+9d0ZDAFn3zsVOYto=; b=wjAVEF4RxAgR5e8LJAbmrWmZufCpNZRKdkrE0LcxExza9aye+tCAiCzXtM8e3vVjID 2zyOuUh7CDZnGk5xNfQ1r8oGK+ana5Wusz9Ga1IclCgtjxMgTKnce0HFSTDetHHO8r38 E9wwXDBsFk4nsD/uMJ1scbZz9J93TMltXCJl0= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:05:29 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <551C0B1D-C540-47A4-888F-F90429F0DD08@gmail.com> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) I've always run into crazy glitches with Bidule. It has never worked for = me. I do realize it could be user error but I've spent many many hours = trying and don't care to spend anymore:) I do appreciate the help though. On Dec 10, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrote: > 2011/12/10, Todd Matthews : >=20 >> I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU = efficient >> software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a = midi >> command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects = patch >> currently used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from previous = effects >> patches=85.. >=20 > well, plogue bidule does exactly that, several versions ago. >=20 > --=20 > = .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your = imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily = manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >=20 > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com >=20 -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 17:16:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 332D9183461; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9RhGpLVqBavZ8h87Ku1pF20RclHfTJhqu+jdOfP7y3U=; b=JUi1uCFHDwYb3v5ix7wn8+KF2bkKPdn3kqn4tnti5ag4urX48YAeoLS+sQ4dklW1BT deA5A0Y87XtqKvYmUCJSquVFaF3Cc4Z9ZWGwII8FcwTPhr5SNgXomntsI8hbofUgk1QI mPTELXjzkCehqPnU55VqfGUO7/GFGq1iwQFOc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <551C0B1D-C540-47A4-888F-F90429F0DD08@gmail.com> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> <551C0B1D-C540-47A4-888F-F90429F0DD08@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:16:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:16:59 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > I've always run into crazy glitches with Bidule. It has never worked for me. I do realize it could be user error but I've spent many many hours trying and don't care to spend anymore:) Well, my experience is that Bidule worked better for me when running Windows XP compared to when running OS X. The multi core support is still flaky. But it is wonderful to have an open audio/MIDI/data patching canvas in Bidule, so I'm hoping it will mature soon (or I might look to Max or Max4Live for building stuff). At the moment I'm building a diamond shaped octaphonic mixer environment in Logic and it's coming out quite well. Can control and record space placement movements of sound in the 8 channel speaker field from the small joysticks on my little Faderfox MIDI mixer. Very useful. There are quite advanced MIDI- META- and fader data math algo tools in Logic, so you can route something somewhere and transform it on the way to whatever data needed to do whatever you want to do. Just like Bidule, but with a super prefab mixing audio engine at hand :-) Can't wait to plug in this new monster! Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 17:22:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E21BB183462; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=D+/zwtPB1Re097Q/y9eyGMdnmhUO8C73F8tyG0+dhIA=; b=gBBbSUHGs+++5LK9AjpvlvbrrnA/rcE9z/m5xuV2qzHV9VDJrmDhW78Oa+jMy0SiSF JJV7CzvhenOyNBvWtvJIki7wGNnZSzr8Y8vvF7I0Kmr+qS3l7io4rveAGqyFi1uy5voX PaF0gcfVUe9TNe8JKBTWT/QcdFM9DEExYoLkw= From: Todd Matthews Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4B3748A0-BD8E-4B03-B81A-E98E6D164FD4" Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:22:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:22:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_4B3748A0-BD8E-4B03-B81A-E98E6D164FD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I know, I know, and that's the only way I've ever played live gigs. = Ableton with dummy clips. Although my last gig this past summer I had a = complete audio spaz out that hopefully didn't do too much damage to the = audiences ears:(=20 That sparked my retreat once again from using computer live.=20 Now that there's been updates to Softstep, Mainstage, Ableton, and even = RME driver I thought it was time to try again.=20 I will be testing out Mainstage and LIve again to see which works best = for me.=20 On Dec 10, 2011, at 11:17 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > Wait... I do this with the effects chain in Live's Audio Effects rack = all the time using the chain selector, overlapping delays and all...=20 >=20 > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell = wrote: > 2011/12/10, Todd Matthews : >=20 > > I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU = efficient > > software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a = midi > > command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects = patch > > currently used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from previous = effects > > patches=85.. >=20 > well, plogue bidule does exactly that, several versions ago. >=20 > -- > = .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your = imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily = manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >=20 > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =95 The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com >=20 > =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available = wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds >=20 >=20 >=20 -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 --Apple-Mail=_4B3748A0-BD8E-4B03-B81A-E98E6D164FD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I = know, I know, and that's the only way I've ever played live gigs. = Ableton with dummy clips. Although my last gig this past summer I had a = complete audio spaz out that hopefully didn't do too much damage to the = audiences ears:( That sparked my retreat once = again from using computer live. Now that = there's been updates to Softstep, Mainstage, Ableton, and even RME = driver I thought it was time to try = again. I will be testing out Mainstage = and LIve again to see which works best for = me. On Dec = 10, 2011, at 11:17 AM, todd reynolds wrote: Wait... I = do this with the effects chain in Live's Audio Effects rack all the = time using the chain selector, overlapping delays and = all... On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at = 11:15 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>= wrote: 2011/12/10, Todd = Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com>: > I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU = efficient > software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a = midi > command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects = patch > currently used is using CPU. Allows tails to finish from previous = effects > patches=85.. well, plogue bidule does exactly that, several versions ago. -- = .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your = imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily = manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com -- = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011 = - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now = available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, = however! http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds = toddbass.com twitter: = gtodd876

= --Apple-Mail=_4B3748A0-BD8E-4B03-B81A-E98E6D164FD4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 17:59:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA1E183463; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8C63597C-2844-4B63-9A32-37B951E09C68@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: re: Cass county waltz Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:59:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the props Petri. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:16:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864EC18345F; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_929293c3-10c2-4b61-a597-c2d29c624807_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Cass county waltz Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:16:55 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2011 18:16:56.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[E679FAD0:01CCB767] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:16:57 +0000 (UTC) --_929293c3-10c2-4b61-a597-c2d29c624807_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow that was really=2C really good.. did i see some of that Landreth behind= the slide tricks... The use of the loops on this was vere=2C very good ind= eed! Date: Sat=2C 10 Dec 2011 14:34:42 +0200 Subject: Cass county waltz From: kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Didnt see link of this on the list yet - this is so soothing=2C beautiful p= iece!=20 Been playing it over and over this morning=2C here in grey wintery Finland. http://youtu.be/9JuTnXCqfBU --=20 Petri Lahtinen = --_929293c3-10c2-4b61-a597-c2d29c624807_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow that was really=2C really good.. did i see some of that Landreth behind= the slide tricks... =3BThe use of the loops on this was vere=2C v= ery good indeed! Date: Sat=2C 10 Dec 2011 14:34:42 +0200 = Subject: Cass county waltz From: kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com To: Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Didnt see link of this on the list y= et - this is so soothing=2C beautiful piece! Been playing it over and o= ver this morning=2C here in grey wintery Finland. http://youtu.be/9JuTnXCqfBU -- Petri Lahtinen = --_929293c3-10c2-4b61-a597-c2d29c624807_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:24:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6C9F183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6d4f959d-b1ef-426a-b20a-bae473655c19_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: More live looping (sampling) music.. The co-created process consists of five interrelated steps, see figure 2. Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:24:45 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2011 18:24:46.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEC755A0:01CCB768] Resent-Message-ID: <2B48zB.A.Y8G.yP64OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:24:50 +0000 (UTC) --_6d4f959d-b1ef-426a-b20a-bae473655c19_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And yet another thing.. keeping a drone (which is the only "raga" like thin= g in this ditty.. again electric guitar into the amazing Elektron Octatrack= ..=20 All sound are guitar warped=2C mangled by the octatrack.. live no editing..= .=20 http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/latin-space-age-raga ALL sound are made with Soloway Swan Single 15 (guitar) > V-stack tweedy (a= mp sim in a stomp box) > elektron Octrack! Thats it!!=20 All sound are the guitar mangled a bit=2C sometimes.. ehh often.. even the = "rhythm" is guitar..... = --_6d4f959d-b1ef-426a-b20a-bae473655c19_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And yet another thing.. keeping a drone (which is the only "raga" like thin= g in this ditty.. again electric guitar into the amazing Elektron Octatrack= .. =3B All sound are guitar warped=2C mangled by the octatrack.. liv= e no editing... =3B http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/latin-spa= ce-age-raga ALL sound are made with Soloway Swan Single 15 (guit= ar) >=3B V-stack tweedy (amp sim in a stomp box) =3B>=3B elektron = Octrack! Thats it!! =3B All sound are the guitar mangled a bit=2C so= metimes.. ehh often.. even the "rhythm" is guitar..... = --_6d4f959d-b1ef-426a-b20a-bae473655c19_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:38:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49C1918345E; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 711242977/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.98/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.98 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsBAPml405YbRti/2dsb2JhbAAMN6g+hTYBAQEDAThABgsLGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgEtFiIU4MaBJoojHA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,332,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="711242977" Message-ID: <4EE3A716.3020404@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:38:14 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:38:12 +0000 (UTC) > Am 10.12.2011 17:21, schrieb bruno kleinefeld: >> I was trying to understand if the baby will be able to do "multiply" >> EDP style. >> Searched everywhere but I found only controversial info. The LP2 doesn't have Multiply. >> >> In case which small new looper has that function? Vox VDL-1 has multiply via it's 'Resample' function. It's not far off the EDP style. Most noticeable difference is that if you end the Multiply late, but less than half way through the loop, it will round the loop down to the last whole number. It has 2 loops, and when you record the second one the default is for it to be an exact multiple of the first loop. Rainer Straschill wrote: > The Boss DD20 does something like the EDPs "unrounded multiply" in its > delay modes. And I would assume that many delays which allow you to tap > the delay time allow you to do that. > > Rainer ...some delays will erase the loop . (Akai Headrush in delay mode being an example) I used to use do that on the Lexicon JamMan in delay mode, ...it was easy enough to get the timing right, but half the time it would click badly. It was the only way I could Mult back in the 90's. andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:43:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E5B2183462; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4EE3A84D.00A5,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=fhT/UpLGCVErenvyo3Rrz4zdN09biEzbpvwa6pSN/4U= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=4mdNdhCS9BMvy6Fpz70A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=PoV7lpPqYvS9uhUX__gA:9 a=VVA_2UYFmVAfm48-Wi8A:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> Subject: RE: LP2 - multiply? Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:43:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01CCB728.86311440" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acy3WkbRQ9Pmu2sNRE+eKs+q8MQPNQAEOwsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:43:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01CCB728.86311440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For me, EDP style multiply includes windowing-originally a bug, exploited by Andre LaFosse-and I don't think the LP-2 will have it. I always miss it when using the other loopers I employ, tho . . . I reckon it is available on software loopers, although I don't know which. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01CCB728.86311440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For me, EDP style multiply includes windowing—originally a bug, exploited by Andre LaFosse—and I = don’t think the LP-2 will have it. I always miss it when using the = other loopers I employ, tho . . . I reckon it is available on = software loopers, although I don’t know which. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01CCB728.86311440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:46:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E606618345E; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 707834777/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.98/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.98 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAMOo405YbRti/2dsb2JhbAAMN610AQEBBDhAEQshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAG8W4hTgxoEmiiMcA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,332,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="707834777" Message-ID: <4EE3A91F.8070005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:46:55 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7ODJmD.A.omH.bk64OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:46:51 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > (I only wish EDP > had the Mobius DIVIDE) . > probably not even close...but.... Insert Mode = SUS Quantise = 8th 8th/Cycle = 2 (or some other value) then each quick hit of Mult will half the loop ....that's the closest we could get. Could try it with Moreloops=2 SwitchQuant = CnF ( or Quantised equivalent ) 8th/cycle= 8 or 16 or something + above settings then 1) hit Next (nothing happens) 2) a quick hit on Mult gives you a fast Stutter 3) hit Next (nothing happens) 4) wait till you're "on the one" again and hit Undo to bring back your loop andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:52:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5014C183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--508927673 Subject: ScrambleMax Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:52:19 -0800 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:52:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--508927673 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone attempted to build the LP-1's "Scramble" feature in Max For Live? --Apple-Mail-2--508927673 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Has anyone attempted to build the LP-1's "Scramble" feature in Max For Live? --Apple-Mail-2--508927673-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:55:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD1B0183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 707835864/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.98/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.98 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArkBAO+p405YbRti/2dsb2JhbAAMN6d4hXwBAQEEMgEFQBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAbxciFODGgSaKIxw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,332,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="707835864" Message-ID: <4EE3AB32.2060107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:55:46 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <04XE8.A.Q8H.us64OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:55:42 +0000 (UTC) I can't imagine Windowing is on any looper not programmed by Matthias, hardware or software, or ever will be. If you intentionally started to make an equivalent effect you'd do it in a different way.....and then you'd probably find loads of other cool stuff that's more controllable. andy Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > For me, EDP style multiply includes windowing�originally a bug, > exploited by Andre LaFosse�and I don�t think the LP-2 will have it. > > I always miss it when using the other loopers I employ, tho . . . > > I reckon it is available on software loopers, although I don�t know which. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:58:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 954A7183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Yt2AAIRlylZNM61dC2ZoNEExP61ggJJd1hyUHqwX0U8=; b=apbEGG3LXt4UUsD5bIZ5y05QQjdG87DmJUD7uB8F3aumQSJCbTWy59+VWUWHIqUsAd D7kNRIvF1W7M9T/WBDJFuzlYF7PXVJkNgOcxvbLKt6wusgOaCBN5R3zDOvZfNSj7jAL9 uNMj7V6VkoePtoh6GlQNaUOjPRRuO6oOu7iwg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:58:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ScrambleMax To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ef2d16826204b3c17e0d Resent-Message-ID: <95gR4B.A.0K.tv64OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:58:53 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ef2d16826204b3c17e0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I understand it correctly, it's sort of already there in M4L's buffershuffler., which is built on the chucker~ object, but Greg Heffernan is the guy who's really jiggered those m4l devices to mangle his loops, and done it really well. T. On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Phil Clevenger w= rote: > Has anyone attempted to build the LP-1's "Scramble" feature in Max For > Live? > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --f46d0444ef2d16826204b3c17e0d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I understand it correctly, =A0it's sort of already there in M4L'= s buffershuffler., which is built on the chucker~ object, but Greg Hefferna= n is the guy who's really jiggered those m4l devices to mangle his loop= s, and done it really well.=A0 T. On Sat, Dec = 10, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyo= ne attempted to build the LP-1's "S= cramble" feature in Max For Live? -- =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011<= /i> - Amazon.com =95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ht= tp://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://m= yspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynold= s http://r= everbnation.com/toddreynolds = --f46d0444ef2d16826204b3c17e0d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 19:21:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C7B183464; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4EE3B12C.0023,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=997EAzblPWVDmxdYglHHScmLtJFKhAyopYJj8esKPHw= c=1 sm=1 a=adPDJ6Mf31gA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=2jl6V4aFf4oPYljOEccA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> <4EE3AB32.2060107@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: EchoLoop Windowing? ( was RE: LP2 - multiply?) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:21:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4EE3AB32.2060107@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: Acy3bVHiM9AWSlhTRC290hr1DcadkAAA0cYg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: <3ZPoSB.A.ek.tE74OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:21:17 +0000 (UTC) I installed the EchoLoop VST, using Sonar, but haven't been able to loop audio coming in, only on data already in a sequence, and that's no fun-- Does this plug in allow loop windowing? And am I using the wrong VST host? Gary -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 10:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? I can't imagine Windowing is on any looper not programmed by Matthias, hardware or software, or ever will be. If you intentionally started to make an equivalent effect you'd do it in a different way.....and then you'd probably find loads of other cool stuff that's more controllable. andy Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > For me, EDP style multiply includes windowing-originally a bug, > exploited by Andre LaFosse-and I don't think the LP-2 will have it. > > I always miss it when using the other loopers I employ, tho . . . > > I reckon it is available on software loopers, although I don't know which. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 19:27:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B861183478; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=Bfo7lyVkIYQcZDdbCfFRPAYSnpJx8BYNfwOje9zWiFA=; b=JtHx0OU02xdoQjZRS4W4QhMaeolnqVQ6Gwbq7ujZg8F+vRRFOKFNd4qZtrOVvKv6JA hivrpn9wHH3Zi8bVcm77GNIlodFJaMDx3g3CfCRg1lV3I8Elf3MN+0d9eIue7YxUDrn/ mOTP50XcKYI2rTEruOPO9kWK3ANf8hVCWhmCw= References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6BF1B1BB-E7CA-4E1B-950A-D2493F5E047E Message-Id: Cc: "" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Todd Reynolds Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:26:40 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:27:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6BF1B1BB-E7CA-4E1B-950A-D2493F5E047E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In answer to that, yes, max for live can do that in spades, so we can say, i= n a way, that Ableton can do it, both with buffershuffler (included w m4l), a= nd with however you'd like to cannibalize it.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Clayton Gary Lehmann" wrote: > For me, EDP style multiply includes windowing=E2=80=94originally a bug, ex= ploited by Andre LaFosse=E2=80=94and I don=E2=80=99t think the LP-2 will hav= e it. > I always miss it when using the other loopers I employ, tho . . . > I reckon it is available on software loopers, although I don=E2=80=99t kno= w which. --Apple-Mail-6BF1B1BB-E7CA-4E1B-950A-D2493F5E047E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 In answer to that, yes, ma= x for live can do that in spades, so we can say, in a way, that Ableton can d= o it, both with buffershuffler (included w m4l), and with however you'd like= to cannibalize it. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10= , 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Clayton Gary Lehmann" <hqr@cox.net> wrote: = For me, EDP style multiply includes windowing=E2=80=94originally a bug, exploited by Andre LaFosse=E2=80=94and I= don=E2=80=99t think the LP-2 will have it. I always miss it when using the other loopers I employ, tho . . . I reckon it is available on software loopers, although I don=E2=80=99t know which. = --Apple-Mail-6BF1B1BB-E7CA-4E1B-950A-D2493F5E047E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 19:42:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9064118348E; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 707841630/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.98/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.98 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAKu1405YbRti/2dsb2JhbAAMN4UHqG0BAQEEIxVAEQsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUcAatIkRCBNIcfggSBFgSaKIxw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,332,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="707841630" Message-ID: <4EE3B62C.7070802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:42:36 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9_VrQC.A.4VB.pY74OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Duplication of LP1 Shuffle in Max? Todd Reynolds wrote: > In answer to that, yes, max for live can do that in spades, Apart from the basic shuffle the LP1 does, 1) lets' you keep Overdubbing, including with feedback turned down 2) does a quick fade between chunks to prevent clicks. 3) Lets you tap Record to determine loop length. ...dunnow if those are already available in Max...they could be of course. andy ...and of course we all hope soon that the LP1 Scramble will be Quantised From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 20:02:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A5B2183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Nhur0EMM0w++0rgLcD69hYM9dwgwC8QIo9BVfXfvJbw=; b=BEY7GmcioShtHQUwXzl7dZdu8nWAWoSFGNNh0tnk1RlkCv/cBR6Drhoq4cC3haErh8 sqK6zhyY6bzUjopcwXiTQlWEsgT9vxHiu354LDWBvSsJXKGkTrKtECxQhzW5O3cY5Qji FJFKoNBHCszlNmaALCK+H0l5ripVcZTy+YS18= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE3B62C.7070802@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> <4EE3B62C.7070802@tiscali.co.uk> From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0418257c9ad98904b3c26236 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:02:47 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0418257c9ad98904b3c26236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In general, one can safely say that pretty much 'anything' is doable in max, including making coffee, lol. However, it most often involves some programming. What I was citing here was actually the ability to have a mobius track going to an audio track in Live and shuffling its buffer. Should that m4l plugin track be separate and in addition to the regular track, then, yes, all of that would be possible, though it is not a 'one track solution' as it is in the LP1 or edp. I'm so used to using several paths to get something done that in these hardware devices did happen on one track or loop, that I tend to only think in those solutions. So, to be clear, no you cannot replicate exactly the ways of the LP1 shuffle in its implementation, but yes, I can see how one could replicate its sound or results this way, with a little creative routing and thinking, thereby 'building it in' to your own custom looper. Let's get Per in on this one, he often has more thorough responses and ideas than do I. In fact, he might very well be doing this very thing already. T. On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 2:42 PM, andy butler wrote= : > Duplication of LP1 Shuffle in Max? > > > Todd Reynolds wrote: > >> In answer to that, yes, max for live can do that in spades, >> > > Apart from the basic shuffle > the LP1 does, > > 1) lets' you keep Overdubbing, including with feedback turned down > > 2) does a quick fade between chunks to prevent clicks. > > 3) Lets you tap Record to determine loop length. > > ...dunnow if those are already available in Max...they > could be of course. > > andy > ...and of course we all hope soon that the LP1 Scramble will be Quantised > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --f46d0418257c9ad98904b3c26236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In general, one can safely say that pretty much 'anything' is doabl= e in max, including making coffee, lol. =A0 However, it = most often involves some programming. =A0 What I w= as citing here was actually the ability to have a mobius track going to an = audio track in Live and shuffling its buffer. =A0Should that m4l plugin tra= ck be separate and in addition to the regular track, then, yes, all of that= would be possible, though it is not a 'one track solution' as it i= s in=A0the LP1 or edp. =A0I'm so used to using several paths to get som= ething done that in these hardware devices did happen on one track or loop,= that I tend to only think in those solutions. So, to be clear, no you cann= ot replicate exactly the ways of the LP1 shuffle in its implementation, but= yes, I can see how one could replicate its sound or results this way, with= a little creative routing and thinking, thereby 'building it in' t= o your own custom looper. =A0Let's get Per in on this one, he often has= more thorough responses and ideas than do I. =A0In fact, he might very wel= l be doing this very thing already.=A0 T. On Sat, Dec 10, 20= 11 at 2:42 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: Duplication of LP1 Shuffle in Max? Todd Reynolds wrote: In answer to that, yes, max for live can do that in spades, Apart from the basic shuffle the LP1 does, 1) lets' you keep Overdubbing, including with feedback turned down 2) does a quick fade between chunks to prevent clicks. 3) Lets you tap Record to determine loop length. ...dunnow if those are already available in Max...they could be of course. andy ...and of course we all hope soon that the LP1 Scramble will be Quantised -- =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the Year, 2011<= /i> - Amazon.com =95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ht= tp://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://m= yspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynold= s http://r= everbnation.com/toddreynolds = --f46d0418257c9ad98904b3c26236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 20:15:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D38518345F; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=zdz3tBi7jASkJZgalhAHIwkNCyZB7jXE6Z+1C5wmGmo=; b=vgIa2mPDvQy6DHzx59Wj+JvdAjZtWGdQG9M5NIlz5bI31BB0G+MgyClIqZKvgyKnpk sxOryGAc3qg3rsIdbsPInK/b5s3KujD4UCiK9GjFB56BpgUa4Ia2xdoLnIoc1x0Otynj pN7IVc1i8jv8jXdJOKSgrP8y6a6boJWGj0c1Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4EE3A91F.8070005@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> <4EE3A91F.8070005@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:14:45 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cvGtt2PWJpD0oM92yS6ref4d8Vo Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b0a36b5e6b004b3c28eaf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:15:08 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305b0a36b5e6b004b3c28eaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well thanks for the suggestions Andy, I have NO idea how you are able to keep all those EDPosibilities, in your head.. But if you read my message carefully I wrote, I wish EDP had the MOBIUS DIVIDE.. Its quite clever, just cuts in half WHATEVER you are doing, at WHATEVER level you are, even if you only have 1 cycle, or loop... its quite clever... if Matt was to nick that idea off Jeff for ELoop (hard), I think they could call it quits? (Psst and I would be very happy) On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM, andy butler wrote: > mark francombe wrote: > > (I only wish EDP had the Mobius DIVIDE) . >> >> > probably not even close...but.... > > Insert Mode = SUS > Quantise = 8th > 8th/Cycle = 2 (or some other value) > > then each quick hit of Mult will half the loop > > > ....that's the closest we could get. > > > > Could try it with Moreloops=2 > SwitchQuant = CnF ( or Quantised equivalent ) > 8th/cycle= 8 or 16 or something > + above settings > > then > 1) hit Next (nothing happens) > 2) a quick hit on Mult gives you a fast Stutter > 3) hit Next (nothing happens) > 4) wait till you're "on the one" again and hit Undo to bring back your loop > > andy > > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf305b0a36b5e6b004b3c28eaf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well thanks for the suggestions Andy, I have NO idea how you are able to ke= ep all those EDPosibilities, in your head.. But if you read my message care= fully I wrote, I wish EDP had the MOBIUS DIVIDE.. Its quite clever, just cu= ts in half WHATEVER you are doing, at WHATEVER level you are, even if you o= nly have 1 cycle, or loop... its quite clever... if Matt was to nick that i= dea off Jeff for ELoop (hard), I think they could call it quits? (Psst and = I would be very happy) On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM, andy butler= <akbutler@t= iscali.co.uk> wrote: mark francombe wrote: (I only wish EDP had the Mobius DIVIDE) . probably not even close...but.... Insert Mode =3D SUS Quantise =3D 8th 8th/Cycle =3D 2 (or some other value) then each quick hit of Mult will half the loop ....that's the closest we could get. Could try it with Moreloops=3D2 SwitchQuant =3D CnF ( or Quantised equivalent ) 8th/cycle=3D 8 or 16 or something + above settings then 1) hit Next (nothing happens) 2) a quick hit on Mult gives you a fast Stutter 3) hit Next (nothing happens) 4) wait till you're "on the one" again and hit Undo to bring = back your loop andy -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --20cf305b0a36b5e6b004b3c28eaf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 20:20:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB9C8183461; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=44XR+RnnNyMC5CHVJxpB66SKwzVIJ2dTmiwQVU085oA=; b=nCxp7ZF4Hvmv16OhlHEf8ehRjNYB/MB6ozSf1Cj9tIaiRUrFHAE5+nvkjq2NumizZH 1dTwFX/NgZoOr2F8DdD4gBMajwCpa2YS/SHe78NX2uErf0uAPms39bBHvjXrJZqQ34SD K0AMqSVZ77g3Ocxz8mTTeAGbnVJ6c/bkFQqHQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> <4EE3B62C.7070802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:20:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Sorry guys, I never understood this discussion was about Mobius - thought it was just a question "if one can scramble in Max" and I didn't find a reason to chime in on that (since you can of course scramble because "ecerything is doable in max"). Regarding the "leading a Mobius loop into Max4Live in order to scramble it" I don't understand why you wouldn't simply scramble the loop in Mobius? There are four optional default algorithms for scrambling and you can easily make your own scrmable script. I use two home-rolled scr... oops, just rembered it's are called "Shuffle" in Mobius; they both combine reversing certain slices, reordering others while applying random processing to others. The creative point I like in using Mobius is that all such scripts that draw on quantized slicing works totally different if you change "the grid", meaning pushing the slider for "16ths per Cycle" a bit. So the same shuffle/scramble pedal works in all timing measures and you can seriously fuck up shit too if feeling glitchy for the day. Per On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:02 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > In general, one can safely say that pretty much 'anything' is doable in m= ax, > including making coffee, lol. > > However, it most often involves some programming. > > What I was citing here was actually the ability to have a mobius track go= ing > to an audio track in Live and shuffling its buffer. =C2=A0Should that m4l= plugin > track be separate and in addition to the regular track, then, yes, all of > that would be possible, though it is not a 'one track solution' as it is > in=C2=A0the LP1 or edp. =C2=A0I'm so used to using several paths to get s= omething done > that in these hardware devices did happen on one track or loop, that I te= nd > to only think in those solutions. So, to be clear, no you cannot replicat= e > exactly the ways of the LP1 shuffle in its implementation, but yes, I can > see how one could replicate its sound or results this way, with a little > creative routing and thinking, thereby 'building it in' to your own custo= m > looper. =C2=A0Let's get Per in on this one, he often has more thorough re= sponses > and ideas than do I. =C2=A0In fact, he might very well be doing this very= thing > already. > > T. > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 2:42 PM, andy butler wro= te: >> >> Duplication of LP1 Shuffle in Max? >> >> >> Todd Reynolds wrote: >>> >>> In answer to that, yes, max for live can do that in spades, >> >> >> Apart from the basic shuffle >> the LP1 does, >> >> 1) lets' you keep Overdubbing, including with feedback turned down >> >> 2) does a quick fade between chunks to prevent clicks. >> >> 3) Lets you tap Record to determine loop length. >> >> ...dunnow if those are already available in Max...they >> could be of course. >> >> andy >> ...and of course we all hope soon that the LP1 Scramble will be Quantise= d >> > > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =E2=80=A2 The Best Classical Music of=C2=A0the Year, 2011 - Amazon.com > > =E2=80=A2=C2=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now availab= le wherever > music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 20:25:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 006F318345E; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5576 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:25:19 UTC From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--503352149 Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:25:15 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> <4EE3A91F.8070005@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <3CD67D08-9687-42B3-8B83-8ED9E21150BD@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:25:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--503352149 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark et al, I think the discussion of Scrambilng in M4L (thread =3D "ScrambleMax") = got mixed into your thread regarding LP2 Multiply. Phil :) On Dec 10, 2011, at 12:14 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Well thanks for the suggestions Andy, I have NO idea how you are able = to keep all those EDPosibilities, in your head.. But if you read my = message carefully I wrote, I wish EDP had the MOBIUS DIVIDE.. Its quite = clever, just cuts in half WHATEVER you are doing, at WHATEVER level you = are, even if you only have 1 cycle, or loop... its quite clever... if = Matt was to nick that idea off Jeff for ELoop (hard), I think they could = call it quits? (Psst and I would be very happy) >=20 > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM, andy butler = wrote: > mark francombe wrote: >=20 > (I only wish EDP had the Mobius DIVIDE) . >=20 >=20 > probably not even close...but.... >=20 > Insert Mode =3D SUS > Quantise =3D 8th > 8th/Cycle =3D 2 (or some other value) >=20 > then each quick hit of Mult will half the loop >=20 >=20 > ....that's the closest we could get. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Could try it with Moreloops=3D2 > SwitchQuant =3D CnF ( or Quantised equivalent ) > 8th/cycle=3D 8 or 16 or something > + above settings >=20 > then > 1) hit Next (nothing happens) > 2) a quick hit on Mult gives you a fast Stutter > 3) hit Next (nothing happens) > 4) wait till you're "on the one" again and hit Undo to bring back your = loop >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--503352149 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Mark et al, I think the discussion of Scrambilng in M4L (thread = "ScrambleMax") got mixed into your thread regarding LP2 Multiply. Phil :) On Dec 10, 2011, at 12:14 PM, mark francombe wrote: Well thanks for the suggestions Andy, I have NO idea how you are able to keep all those EDPosibilities, in your head.. But if you read my message carefully I wrote, I wish EDP had the MOBIUS DIVIDE.. Its quite clever, just cuts in half WHATEVER you are doing, at WHATEVER level you are, even if you only have 1 cycle, or loop... its quite clever... if Matt was to nick that idea off Jeff for ELoop (hard), I think they could call it quits? (Psst and I would be very happy) On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: mark francombe wrote: (I only wish EDP had the Mobius DIVIDE) . probably not even close...but.... Insert Mode = SUS Quantise = 8th 8th/Cycle = 2 (or some other value) then each quick hit of Mult will half the loop ....that's the closest we could get. Could try it with Moreloops=2 SwitchQuant = CnF ( or Quantised equivalent ) 8th/cycle= 8 or 16 or something + above settings then 1) hit Next (nothing happens) 2) a quick hit on Mult gives you a fast Stutter 3) hit Next (nothing happens) 4) wait till you're "on the one" again and hit Undo to bring back your loop andy -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --Apple-Mail-3--503352149-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 20:29:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E078183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=kW1Scyhso+QPW26ZsPrFra36S7tmH/bjrhdBmH6IO1I=; b=O5uzIZFq7GOlMBkhyXLS1sXFl+JYFx1gO24DocrBSZD9gaUuzzWvNX1GW9PXgOajzN pLg+znnbvap32bODpy12wjrc5o6Gx/TDdjMDYKXl2+dkADLfMmv26GRloR31f+mLTAlR HT2ggchc2wrL4Cj8yNmJUaT0MBd0vHaBk6/qQ= Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> <4EE3A91F.8070005@tiscali.co.uk> <3CD67D08-9687-42B3-8B83-8ED9E21150BD@gmail.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-858C792B-02D2-448E-8538-6F7C0DD5B7C9 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <3CD67D08-9687-42B3-8B83-8ED9E21150BD@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:28:16 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <8TD__C.A.xgC.wE84OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:29:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-858C792B-02D2-448E-8538-6F7C0DD5B7C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm so sorry. That one's prob my fault. Apologies.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote= : > Mark et al, >=20 > I think the discussion of Scrambilng in M4L (thread =3D "ScrambleMax") got= mixed into your thread regarding LP2 Multiply. >=20 > Phil :) >=20 >=20 > On Dec 10, 2011, at 12:14 PM, mark francombe wrote: >=20 >> Well thanks for the suggestions Andy, I have NO idea how you are able to k= eep all those EDPosibilities, in your head.. But if you read my message care= fully I wrote, I wish EDP had the MOBIUS DIVIDE.. Its quite clever, just cut= s in half WHATEVER you are doing, at WHATEVER level you are, even if you onl= y have 1 cycle, or loop... its quite clever... if Matt was to nick that idea= off Jeff for ELoop (hard), I think they could call it quits? (Psst and I wo= uld be very happy) >>=20 >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM, andy butler wro= te: >> mark francombe wrote: >>=20 >> (I only wish EDP had the Mobius DIVIDE) . >>=20 >>=20 >> probably not even close...but.... >>=20 >> Insert Mode =3D SUS >> Quantise =3D 8th >> 8th/Cycle =3D 2 (or some other value) >>=20 >> then each quick hit of Mult will half the loop >>=20 >>=20 >> ....that's the closest we could get. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Could try it with Moreloops=3D2 >> SwitchQuant =3D CnF ( or Quantised equivalent ) >> 8th/cycle=3D 8 or 16 or something >> + above settings >>=20 >> then >> 1) hit Next (nothing happens) >> 2) a quick hit on Mult gives you a fast Stutter >> 3) hit Next (nothing happens) >> 4) wait till you're "on the one" again and hit Undo to bring back your lo= op >>=20 >> andy >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-858C792B-02D2-448E-8538-6F7C0DD5B7C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I'm so sorry. That one's p= rob my fault. Apologies. Sent from my iPhone <= br>On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: Mark et al, I think= the discussion of Scrambilng in M4L (thread =3D "ScrambleMax") got mixed in= to your thread regarding LP2 Multiply. Phil :) On Dec 10, 2011, at 12:14 PM, mark franco= mbe wrote: Well thanks for the suggestions Andy, I have NO idea how you are able t= o keep all those EDPosibilities, in your head.. But if you read my message c= arefully I wrote, I wish EDP had the MOBIUS DIVIDE.. Its quite clever, just c= uts in half WHATEVER you are doing, at WHATEVER level you are, even if you o= nly have 1 cycle, or loop... its quite clever... if Matt was to nick that id= ea off Jeff for ELoop (hard), I think they could call it quits? (Psst and I w= ould be very happy) On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM, andy butler <= span dir=3D"ltr"><akbutler@tisc= ali.co.uk> wrote: mark francombe wrote: (I only wish EDP had the Mobius DIVIDE) . probably not even close...but.... Insert Mode =3D SUS Quantise =3D 8th 8th/Cycle =3D 2 (or some other value) then each quick hit of Mult will half the loop ....that's the closest we could get. Could try it with Moreloops=3D2 SwitchQuant =3D CnF ( or Quantised equivalent ) 8th/cycle=3D 8 or 16 or something + above settings then 1) hit Next (nothing happens) 2) a quick hit on Mult gives you a fast Stutter 3) hit Next (nothing happens) 4) wait till you're "on the one" again and hit Undo to bring back your loop<= span class=3D"HOEnZb"> andy -- <= u>Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --Apple-Mail-858C792B-02D2-448E-8538-6F7C0DD5B7C9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 21:43:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46AD3183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 701199646/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.98/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.98 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAOfR405YbRti/2dsb2JhbAAMN611AQEBAQIBOEAGCwsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAS0T4hTgxoEmiiMcA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,332,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="701199646" Message-ID: <4EE3D290.1080106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:43:44 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? References: <4EE386EF.4000506@googlemail.com> <4EE3A91F.8070005@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:43:42 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Well thanks for the suggestions Andy, I have NO idea how you are able to > keep all those EDPosibilities, in your head.. But if you read my message > carefully I wrote, I wish EDP had the MOBIUS DIVIDE.. Its quite clever, > just cuts in half WHATEVER you are doing, at WHATEVER level you are, > even if you only have 1 cycle, or loop right, this *only* works to cut down to 1/2 a cycle whatever the loop length. Other than that there's Multi-Increase where you can quickly define the number of cycles by repeatedly hitting Mult. Echoloop doesn't have it at present, but Matt already worked on how to make the number of Cycles in a loop changeable as the loop is running. (which would make Halving the loop easy) >... its quite clever... so if loop is 7 cycles it cuts it to 3 1/2 ? > if Matt > was to nick that idea off Jeff for ELoop (hard), iirc it was David Torn who was asking for some form of Divide when loop 4 was being finalized. What we ended up with was as close as we could get. (never heard from him after that tho') andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 22:13:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B32BA183462; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE3D982.5040006@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:13:23 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bruno kleinefeld CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Wow, Bruno, wow!!!!! I've tried to contact you for a really long time but not known how to. Glad to hear from you again. There is no multiply function in the LP-2 Sorry to dissapoint but very, very happy to hear from you, finally. How are you doing? How's your looping coming along? yours, very fondly, Rick (Chris says hi, too) ps please write me a note off list. On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, bruno kleinefeld wrote: > Given that from the Looperlative Facebook page (where I am trying to communicate with Bob) seems that the long Lp2 gestation is coming to a (happy?) end > > I was trying to understand if the baby will be able to do "multiply" EDP style. > Searched everywhere but I found only controversial info. > > Anybody (Rick?) has more precise details about it? > > In case which small new looper has that function? > > > tx > > best > > b:k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 22:20:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC8AE183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE3DB3B.9050901@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:20:43 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Clayton Gary Lehmann CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: LP2 - multiply? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:20:54 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > > For me, EDP style multiply includes windowing�originally a bug, > exploited by Andre LaFosse�and I don�t think the LP-2 will have it. > > I always miss it when using the other loopers I employ, tho . . . > > I reckon it is available on software loopers, although I don�t know which. > LOL, it IS available in the beautiful and hardly ever used EDP that I'm selling currently. White faced, with Loop IV and full memory, a proprietary footpedal and a special custom two way Brother Sync cable that was only used one time. Contact me off list, if you are interested. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 22:35:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1372B183462; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1011 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:35:36 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Rk66VtQAhVuhxqh5cBOpfgo7XAaHeOsMq0WIY4lERnNOwYC4L72V0V3rcx+J2fDT; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <19934067.1323555524870.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:18:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5850a704dfafa7776f5ae5d286c7f5b180904316b1893b109350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Does "multiply" mean to take a loop and make it some number of times longer (x2, x3, etc.)? What is the difference between doing that and just letting subsequent loops be created (and quantized) to some multiple of the first loop (even x1 if desired)? If a "multiplied" loop just repeats itself some number of times it seems unnecessary and wasteful of memory. I'm trying to contrast "multiply" with the Boomerang III "Sync" mode where a loop can be created and then up to three more can be created which are quantized to any multiple of the first loop's length (x1, x2, ..., xn). Is there some important difference I'm not seeing or do I not even understand what "multiply" is in the first place? Any explanation appreciated! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 23:04:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58C6E18345F; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4EE3E588.0095,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=V7CHlOeuTX8qJ/M3k4aXqqkD6LmfniLgByWCSbrUMUU= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=84BadPHTAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=Hton9sPHXNh84V0c0JUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OS7PZEPQ3MUA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=QnZc1NTzoWNm9nO7:21 a=nttPqJyxC6dHcZXI:21 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: "'Grant'" Cc: References: <19934067.1323555524870.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: RE: LP2 - multiply? Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:04:31 -0800 Message-ID: <95E897CF1E1E47B89905FC72598857AF@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <19934067.1323555524870.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thread-Index: Acy3jAq3CuDbhM5sTy6nxUs8TcP2hgAA3lWA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:04:42 +0000 (UTC) That is the function on the EDP, yes . . . It plays the existing loop over and over, while overdubbing (usually) new material. It can seem wasteful, but is also useful--especially when used the way I am, by windowing--that is, creating a multiple with new start and stop times. There are various ways of doing this, but the simplest is by triggering multiply twice and record twice from the front panel. The 'Rang is cool because the master sample stays the same size, but the other loops are multiples of it. Multiply may be executed in different ways on other loopers--it is the EDP to which I, certainly, am referring. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Grant [mailto:grantmepeace@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? Does "multiply" mean to take a loop and make it some number of times longer (x2, x3, etc.)? What is the difference between doing that and just letting subsequent loops be created (and quantized) to some multiple of the first loop (even x1 if desired)? If a "multiplied" loop just repeats itself some number of times it seems unnecessary and wasteful of memory. I'm trying to contrast "multiply" with the Boomerang III "Sync" mode where a loop can be created and then up to three more can be created which are quantized to any multiple of the first loop's length (x1, x2, ..., xn). Is there some important difference I'm not seeing or do I not even understand what "multiply" is in the first place? Any explanation appreciated! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 23:06:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA38618345E; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-300--493700795 Subject: Electribe ESX (was Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:06:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <4AF39678-A61D-4886-A9D1-2208947B1520@grubmah.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:06:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-300--493700795 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:06 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Recent sales of neglected gear have resulted in two purchases. The = Korg Electribe ESX (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much = lauded Roland GR55 Guitar synth. > Lets take that one now, and the drum-machine later. Still looking forward to the ESX review... --Apple-Mail-300--493700795 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Recent sales = of neglected gear have resulted in two purchases. The Korg Electribe ESX = (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much lauded Roland GR55 = Guitar synth. Lets take that one now, and the drum-machine = later. Still looking forward to = the ESX review... = --Apple-Mail-300--493700795-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 23:06:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33F50183461; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ndZ6ux1qAK31Xo8nG9UIk1LTSASAD4Y56rNpTCv9mTk=; b=kA3ArWgtWAAHEwOhp5njQC5iaTjNA5KxXS+Ty/x5jQvFZ5OzuaSLe5iNSubtjLh+Ru wAt8n6FHsPetbiuA3hfLDdjdj4R/MxLB7GUW0abJgLEW45c2Wtc6U+iKZKVdcaMdpv5K n1/od32Ls/EOyc6k6D8dx34XRsZPDAODyMbx8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:06:55 +0000 (UTC) I jumped on the mainstage bandwagon when I saw that price... all those effects and instruments for $30 is hard to beat. Plus, I can keep all my Bidule patches and run them in the Bidule AU within mainstage, so nothing is lost, better effects are gained... However, I'm having a hard time with the user interface... I'll have to read through the manual. I'm used to cabling little boxes together, but it looks like I'll have to understand how a mixer works. I want the audio in to go to my bidule AU and from there to my effect patches. So I think this means I need a strip at concert level with bidule so that it shows up in every patch. I haven't had much time to play with it, and it doesn't look like it's gonna happen before Christmas... Sylvain On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Todd Matthews wrot= e: > I know, I know, and that's the only way I've ever played live gigs. Ablet= on > with dummy clips. Although my last gig this past summer I had a complete > audio spaz out that hopefully didn't do too much damage to the audiences > ears:( > > That sparked my retreat once again from using computer live. > > Now that there's been updates to Softstep, Mainstage, Ableton, and even R= ME > driver I thought it was time to try again. > > I will be testing out Mainstage and LIve again to see which works best fo= r > me. > > > > On Dec 10, 2011, at 11:17 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > > Wait... I do this with=A0the effects chain in Live's Audio Effects rack a= ll > the time using=A0the chain selector, overlapping delays and all... > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell w= rote: >> >> 2011/12/10, Todd Matthews : >> >> > I'm with you Per. I can't wait for the day that there is a CPU efficie= nt >> > software that lets you easily switch between effects patches with a mi= di >> > command and send those into Mobius/Sooperlooper. Only the effects patc= h >> > currently used is using CPU. 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Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://toddreynolds.com > http://twitter.com/digifiddler > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic > http://blog.toddreynolds.com > http://facebook.com/toddreynolds > http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds > > > > > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 23:20:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A204183454; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=rj6ygUm/BcYwILK66kLelsa5fqVjOj0ynvASzHoMsyD7pIt/fhAhgyjbEdg/uZqV; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31435454.1323559205554.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:20:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: LP2 - multiply? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5850a704dfafa7776319197c2441178b03402a86be32ac0db350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:20:14 +0000 (UTC) OK, that's more like using (the Rang's) 'live copy' which creates a new loop consisting of any loops currently playing plus any live input. The copied loop can be any length so I guess it would accomplish the same goal. Still, since multiple loops can play simultaneously (again on the Rang) it seems to me you get the same 'effective' result using the simpler technique from the previous post. One fun thing to do is create the first loop and make it say a measure long. Then you can create a second loop of say 7 measures and then a third of 8 measures. When all are playing together they shift off by a measure each time around. Not always easy to find something that 'works' with this but many 'happy accidents' happen! Maybe I'll try something like 25 and 26 which would change over a long time. :) G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 23:27:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78560183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=fr1k+fjlbiQmmulVjE0JWpRpX+K1yZr4c1nBF9F16gxqUfL/z2XGyu9CYQCvf1+s; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4297907.1323559666706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:27:46 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: LP2 - multiply? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5850a704dfafa77760a5659ed1c72b08ccdce9c5a675df86f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:27:47 +0000 (UTC) I guess it would only be wasteful if you're just recycling the same loop over and over. The Rang's 'live copy' can be used to extract just a part of an existing loop but I've never tried to make a loop that was smaller than the master. I'll need to experiment and see if that works. I'm sure it would work in the 'free' mode and that might be good enough. G -----Original Message----- >From: Clayton Gary Lehmann >Sent: Dec 10, 2011 5:04 PM >To: 'Grant' >Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: LP2 - multiply? > >That is the function on the EDP, yes . . . >It plays the existing loop over and over, while overdubbing (usually) new >material. >It can seem wasteful, but is also useful--especially when used the way I am, >by windowing--that is, creating a multiple with new start and stop times. >There are various ways of doing this, but the simplest is by triggering >multiply twice and record twice from the front panel. >The 'Rang is cool because the master sample stays the same size, but the >other loops are multiples of it. >Multiply may be executed in different ways on other loopers--it is the EDP >to which I, certainly, am referring. >Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 23:44:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 697CF183462; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8AXAAyn5XUR6ctzTJnAuNsXNNppo9a9xwjagk0uAVf0=; b=rS5rIuIInjvPh6dDWOtt4DIkhRQSapjBxxGyVIGzEqBFe39ICklEjKOEftMJ2nOdEf 4uubc6vB2m6FBUFc3IIwZCfPX/FxGCUIv2cMk7UZR9ZHK3Y19Ymj5ilZuauP/oC8MvjE zrSgWAG9IbsvJci/7C4n2sFQm9UGuDH3UiBdU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 00:44:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Some quick MS info from the top of my head (bouncing out big files now from a mix so I can't open the appl to check details): Yes, you're right that MS works a lot like a mixer does, that's correct as for signal routing. But MS also has its own concept for controlling the mixer and inserted or (send/return) looped effects. This concept builds has three aspects that are represented by three alternative modes to work on your session: 1) Layout Mode - connect with the outer world by MIDI. First window, called up by hitting cmd-1. Here you create the graphical control symbols you need for whatever control you plan to perform. Example: if you want to just record loops, overdub into them and adjust loop feedback you need three the three objects 2 buttons and one fader (or knob). Ok, drag in the objects and drop them inside the Layout Mode window. Select an object and click "learn" in the left column where the selected object's characteristics are displayed. Send in external MIDI by kicking a MIDI floor pedal, pushing a keyboard key, hitting a MIDI button or whatever physical control gadget you happen to have connected to the computer. Done. 2) Edit Mode - connect with internal software world of effects, mixer and instruments. Second Window, called up by hitting cmd-2. Here you create patches. For each patch you create and tweak channel strips holding effects and instruments if an instrument strip (there are also audio strips). Note if working on Patch Level or Concert Level. Any Aux Channel strip (send/return fx loop for example) created on Global level will be available in all other patches. But stuff you create at Patch Level will only be available when that patch is the active patch (good way to get rid of CPU intensive stuff when not needing them; swap to a different patch). 3) Performance Mode (cmd-3) and Full Screen Mode (cmd-4) - gig matching sta= tus. Performance mode will let you keep other windows open, like if you want to see the SooperLooper or Mobius GUI window beside Mainstage's GUI. Full Screen Mode takes full advantage of the screen space and pushes other applications into the background. Optimally stable and looks good but you won't be able to check emails while in Full Screen Mode ;-) That's it. The trick to get into Mainstage is to know its two faces: First create a graphic representation of your physical control gear and and assign MIDI form physical to graphic objects, then assign control bindings from graphic objects to musical parameters in the software. cheers Per On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > I jumped on the mainstage bandwagon when I saw that price... =C2=A0all > those effects and instruments for $30 is hard to beat. =C2=A0Plus, I can > keep all my Bidule patches and run them in the Bidule AU within > mainstage, so nothing is lost, better effects are gained... > > However, I'm having a hard time with the user interface... =C2=A0I'll hav= e > to read through the manual. =C2=A0I'm used to cabling little boxes > together, but it looks like I'll have to understand how a mixer works. > > I want the audio in to go to my bidule AU and from there to my effect > patches. =C2=A0So I think this means I need a strip at concert level with > bidule so that it shows up in every patch. =C2=A0I haven't had much time = to > play with it, and it doesn't look like it's gonna happen before > Christmas... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 23:59:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59EE4183460; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4qYax50ju1ksn/ZjLl/b+SARVhPqT2Taq6M4q1pe+pA=; b=eiKDHWNYsUXSSeeLabrpHE7DDlkBYQ6hPlsu8057oDjdFP5s1yUQkFY8bq3+6LlNSa 3hD3rRacnsZiCCAzYCZmfkOLkrmQnDyb/P7jvzLOHeIfLKSvNYMm1rm/t7PZYt3293Sw ql4k6LlKl9+9NLFUJG5r4UMuSbZ4SnXHtOoyA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:59:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, it's starting to make sense, I hope I'll have tome to work on this soo. Sylvain On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Some quick MS info from the top of my head (bouncing out big files now > from a mix so I can't open the appl to check details): > > Yes, you're right that MS works a lot like a mixer does, that's > correct as for signal routing. But MS also has its own concept for > controlling the mixer and inserted or (send/return) looped effects. > This concept builds has three aspects that are represented by three > alternative modes to work on your session: > > 1) Layout Mode - connect with the outer world by MIDI. > First window, called up by hitting cmd-1. Here you create the > graphical control symbols you need for whatever control you plan to > perform. Example: if you want to just record loops, overdub into them > and adjust loop feedback you need three the three objects 2 buttons > and one fader (or knob). Ok, drag in the objects and drop them inside > the Layout Mode window. Select an object and click "learn" in the left > column where the selected object's characteristics are displayed. Send > in external MIDI by kicking a MIDI floor pedal, pushing a keyboard > key, hitting a MIDI button or whatever physical control gadget you > happen to have connected to the computer. Done. > > 2) Edit Mode - connect with internal software world of effects, mixer > and instruments. > Second Window, called up by hitting cmd-2. Here you create patches. > For each patch you create and tweak channel strips holding effects and > instruments if an instrument strip (there are also audio strips). Note > if working on Patch Level or Concert Level. Any Aux Channel strip > (send/return fx loop for example) created on Global level will be > available in all other patches. But stuff you create at Patch Level > will only be available when that patch is the active patch (good way > to get rid of CPU intensive stuff when not needing them; swap to a > different patch). > > 3) Performance Mode (cmd-3) and Full Screen Mode (cmd-4) - gig matching s= tatus. > Performance mode will let you keep other windows open, like if you > want to see the SooperLooper or Mobius GUI window beside Mainstage's > GUI. Full Screen Mode takes full advantage of the screen space and > pushes other applications into the background. Optimally stable and > looks good but you won't be able to check emails while in Full Screen > Mode ;-) > > That's it. The trick to get into Mainstage is to know its two faces: > First create a graphic representation of your physical control gear > and and assign MIDI form physical to graphic objects, then assign > control bindings from graphic objects to musical parameters in the > software. > > cheers > > Per > > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: >> I jumped on the mainstage bandwagon when I saw that price... =A0all >> those effects and instruments for $30 is hard to beat. =A0Plus, I can >> keep all my Bidule patches and run them in the Bidule AU within >> mainstage, so nothing is lost, better effects are gained... >> >> However, I'm having a hard time with the user interface... =A0I'll have >> to read through the manual. =A0I'm used to cabling little boxes >> together, but it looks like I'll have to understand how a mixer works. >> >> I want the audio in to go to my bidule AU and from there to my effect >> patches. =A0So I think this means I need a strip at concert level with >> bidule so that it shows up in every patch. =A0I haven't had much time to >> play with it, and it doesn't look like it's gonna happen before >> Christmas... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 00:54:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B0F318345E; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 00:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=jpDnZmCgDUa26fVJSvFo7mZjcB/OyKDJkBY08+f3gzU=; b=f6cG/gg9YrlE41UW5AjMkpvY7W6cfWyWKKWr5QrwfwYNRx0W0/puMrcM6ajRf+U7r8 THuwXBHh8BOneedhMLoLLIj1ku2+fhs/bwnxWq0augvFOFvB1tw64Q4Yu9vyNKCba4j6 vtP6yTqVJPoyzeKeV8WQyYjXuMKXp4Rt7E2xM= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:54:45 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <371B7FC2-2FEA-4421-BE04-DA5D90D698BE@gmail.com> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 00:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Only issue I ran into today with Mainstage 2.2 and Mobius was that even = after saving my set I needed to reselect "side chain to bus 1" to pass = audio through Mobius.=20 When I would first fire up the program no audio would pass through = Mobius even though it looks as though side chain on Mobius was set to = bus 1. If I reselected it from the drop down menu then the audio would = pass through Mobius again. Other than that minor issue I had no audio = glitches today and had lots of fun looping! Now that I think about it, my set was originally from a previous version = of Mainstage so maybe if I start a new set from scratch in 2.2 that will = take care of this bug? |Looking forward to read! | |Per -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 01:52:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 653AF18345E; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 01:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <18EA8998-96C1-4880-A013-A1F6575DF3AD@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-48--483724529 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: Cass county waltz Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:52:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 01:52:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-48--483724529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit did i see some of that Landreth behind the slide tricks... Indeed Anders I completely nicked that technique from Sonny Landreth, watching him a few years back from the photographers pit supporting John Hiatt with his band the Goners, the light bulb went off when I saw him use this technique. My Tele is set up with slightly lighter than ideal strings tuned to E major which is why you hear a bit too much clank, heavier strings the better. its definitely a finesse technique, playing on the wild side as he describes, playing behind the bar. With all due respect to Derek Trucks who is just as amazing in his own right, Sonny is the gold standard for me amongst non lap steel slide guitar players, a real innovator, with the juiciest , richest tone, so sensual and deep. Bill --Apple-Mail-48--483724529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable did i see some of that = Landreth behind the slide tricks... Indeed Anders I = completely nicked that technique from Sonny Landreth, watching him a few = years back from the photographers pit supporting John Hiatt with his = band the Goners, the light bulb went off when I saw him use this = technique. My Tele is set up with slightly lighter than ideal strings = tuned to E major which is why you hear a bit too much clank, heavier = strings the better. its definitely a finesse technique, playing on = the wild side as he describes, playing behind the bar. With all due = respect to Derek Trucks who is just as amazing in his own right, Sonny = is the gold standard for me amongst non lap steel slide guitar players, = a real innovator, with the juiciest , richest tone, so sensual and = deep. <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote: ... its quite clever... so if loop is 7 cycles it cuts it to 3 1/2 ? Aha..= well I had to go and check didnt i? You immediatly spotted the logical = problem. And you were right, Mobius is NOT qite as clever as I thought, how= ever, if this was an implementation one COULD do in Eloop soft of hard, it = would do for me. the fact that I never knew this, seems to suggest that it = works... if you dont think about it but just use it! If a loop is 7 cycles and you hit divide, .. it DOES end up with a &quo= t;loop time" of 3 1/2 cycles.. BUT it's combined these cycles to 1= new cycle, So if a cycle was 1 second and your loop was 7, you end= up with 1 cycle that is 3.5 second. I realise this cause synch problems... -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --20cf303a31b11d38c604b3c74ab0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 03:34:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 855C918345B; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 03:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dELgqByEkvXT+FumnaOdDuCTmM6bkXUYJDpp9EMSS0k=; b=SEeXMpzBl2D8pBn9trzr2GekRR0bJDPTJ9OgudgMnyhCZS0vgY1X60xm+0AuLSCgrv f8gsiSH7CfsBefi6TLABz2qKxL08PA33/QKNgwK7MJG6/PczfA9i//sfUBMKXl83pAKF 0cEnK+7lSwZDJPCFGemfiuQJcKwetNmfesQ9M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <371B7FC2-2FEA-4421-BE04-DA5D90D698BE@gmail.com> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> <371B7FC2-2FEA-4421-BE04-DA5D90D698BE@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 04:34:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 03:34:10 +0000 (UTC) That's weird, Todd. I have not tried 2.2 yet so I can't confirm your finding here. But there are other ways to set up Mobius in Mainstage than that sidechain based one. For the last year I have been running Mobius on an Aux channel to where I send audio with the send know from every channel strip who's audio I want to loop. The point in opening Mobius on an instrument channel and using the sidechain to fetch audio is to pipe your external control MIDI for Mobius through Mainstage. But I'm not doing that; I have set up Mobius to listen directly to a MIDI In port without Mainstage having to do anything with it. I like that setup because it means you have all your MIDI bindings inside Mobius and in all host applications I use for Mobius it always works the same related my foot control pedalboard and hand controlled MIDI mixer. Oh, and I'm not using separate output channels from Mobius now, just one audio output. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Todd Matthews wrote= : > Only issue I ran into today with Mainstage 2.2 and Mobius was that even a= fter saving my set I needed to reselect "side chain to bus 1" to pass audio= through Mobius. > > When I would first fire up the program no audio would pass through Mobius= even though it looks as though side chain on Mobius was set to bus 1. If I= reselected it from the drop down menu then the audio would pass through Mo= bius again. Other than that minor issue I had no audio glitches today and h= ad lots of fun looping! > > Now that I think about it, my set was originally from a previous version = of Mainstage so maybe if I start a new set from scratch in 2.2 that will ta= ke care of this bug? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 04:12:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874E1183462; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 04:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1345C462-307D-4D03-8180-B30F7C0D5AB5@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-55--475302052 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:12:45 +0900 References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:12:45 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 04:12:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-55--475302052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:56 AM, chaz worm wrote: > I had an OC2 and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously > low standards. I hated it. > I went to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement. I'm happy to hear this not so glowing review because it confirms my view. I wonder what put you off about it. For me, I find it difficult to operate. It keeps doing things I don't expect and trying to double stomp really messes me up (went out and immediately bought an FS-6 footswitch). Reading the posts in this forum, I just figure everybody else is, like you say, at a different level. I want to loop, but I'm just finding it difficult. I have tried to use Mobius. It seems cool but I want to use it with footpedals. I bought a Behringer FBC1010 because I read that it was a good match for it. I cannot get it to do anything. I may have putty for brains but this stuff is not easy to get started with. If I had money, I'd pay for looping lessons. cheers, Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-55--475302052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Nov 28, 2011, = at 6:56 AM, chaz worm wrote: I had an OC2 = and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously low standards. I = hated it. I went = to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement. I'm happy to hear this not so glowing review because it = confirms my view. I wonder what put you off about it. For me, I find it = difficult to operate. It keeps doing things I don't expect and trying to = double stomp really messes me up (went out and immediately bought an = FS-6 footswitch). Reading the posts in this forum, I just figure = everybody else is, like you say, at a different level. I want to loop, = but I'm just finding it difficult. I have tried to use Mobius. It seems = cool but I want to use it with footpedals. I bought a Behringer FBC1010 = because I read that it was a good match for it. I cannot get it to do = anything. I may have putty for brains but this stuff is not easy to get = started with. If I had money, I'd pay for looping = lessons.cheers, Ed = Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicians= page.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbro= w/ <= /div> = --Apple-Mail-55--475302052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 07:51:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A74D18345B; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 07:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4EE46101.0057,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=457y4IXgkPg9sNWMz/ExzYRHvCCDEIe40hmIg5h2CZg= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=qVTJ_jkWTkYftoJWhYgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> <1345C462-307D-4D03-8180-B30F7C0D5AB5@sea.plala.or.jp> Subject: Loop Lessons (was: PS-6) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:50:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1345C462-307D-4D03-8180-B30F7C0D5AB5@sea.plala.or.jp> Thread-Index: Acy3uyqy40TdpVg8RfuzFDiZWbvFVAAHj04g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 07:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Boy, me too . . . Gary ________________________________________ From: Ed Durbrow [mailto:edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 8:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. Ed wrote: If I had money, I'd pay for looping lessons. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 08:15:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0384118345F; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=0OxavbBLKS0A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=fusXdD0LAAAA:8 a=bKOipjDUAAAA:8 a=0rOPqy_FWfS2hwomJEQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=xW9vbS9KYn_5qLy-:21 a=s5mXyu74b_qOc-Kd:21 a=EuCacXfgjAyxoDepJJIA:9 a=3yodb4KT3ADyMyizk4YA:7 a=O4rztpwykmY9DFkKWsvssA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Message-ID: <777D77BACD0B43368099C6CAFC67C691@chazdebf28bffc> From: "chaz worm" To: References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> <1345C462-307D-4D03-8180-B30F7C0D5AB5@sea.plala.or.jp> Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 03:15:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CCB7B3.32F5CBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:15:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CCB7B3.32F5CBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For starters it was probably the first pedal I ever had. I was a bass = player / lead singer in a 3 person grunge/punk band (back when grungy = wasn't cool, mid-late 80's) and the idea of filling up all that space = when my guitarist was doing his soaring solos seemed compelling in = theory. =20 "It would be like triple cloning myself for the betterment of our meager = band", i thought. =20 I assumed it would be an octave up and down. I'm a real meat and = potatoes bass player. I hate playing past the 5th fret and I go nights = where I could easily lose my g-string too. I could venture up into that = guitar whelm I thought. =20 NO. TWO octaves DOWN. means I'm having to play the D and G strings = around the 7-9th frets. SCREW THAT. =20 I would rather anchor that bottom end. screw the middle. Instead I was playing up so high my already cheap/bad bass sounded like = a popcorn fart. In summation I didn't feel it tracked well and it sounded worse. Be = that as it may I still found it superior to the dane-electro pedal (i = think, actually I think mine is now in the trash) that people spoke well = of. it was HORRIBLE. I hated it.=20 I thought of selling it to somone on this list. I would sell it for 20 = in a heart beat but I couldn't with a good concious. I truly felt my = pedal had to be bad. =20 My main ax is a 50 dollar banjo that I defretted to make a minstrel = banjo. =20 MY EARS AREN"T THAT DELICATE. I will convince my head that something sounds good even if its crap. As = long as its different, and more importantly, CHEAP. please listen to my best song, Clifford Ratliff in which I feature said = banjo. =20 ITS CRAP but the song suites it. I'm just a crappy guy but I guess I take my low end serious. =20 Sorry so lengthy. i'm typing this from a computer and i type faster = than I think. chaz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Durbrow=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:12 PM Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:56 AM, chaz worm wrote: I had an OC2 and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously = low standards. I hated it.=20 I went to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement.=20 I'm happy to hear this not so glowing review because it confirms my = view. I wonder what put you off about it. For me, I find it difficult to = operate. It keeps doing things I don't expect and trying to double stomp = really messes me up (went out and immediately bought an FS-6 = footswitch). Reading the posts in this forum, I just figure everybody = else is, like you say, at a different level. I want to loop, but I'm = just finding it difficult. I have tried to use Mobius. It seems cool but = I want to use it with footpedals. I bought a Behringer FBC1010 because I = read that it was a good match for it. I cannot get it to do anything. I = may have putty for brains but this stuff is not easy to get started = with. If I had money, I'd pay for looping lessons. cheers, Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CCB7B3.32F5CBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For starters it was probably the first = pedal I ever=20 had. I was a bass player / lead singer in a 3 person grunge/punk = band=20 (back when grungy wasn't cool, mid-late 80's) and the idea of filling up = all=20 that space when my guitarist was doing his soaring solos seemed = compelling in=20 theory. "It would be like triple cloning myself = for the=20 betterment of our meager band", i thought. I assumed it would be an octave up and = down. =20 I'm a real meat and potatoes bass player. I hate playing past the = 5th fret=20 and I go nights where I could easily lose my g-string too. I could = venture=20 up into that guitar whelm I thought. NO. TWO octaves DOWN. means = I'm having=20 to play the D and G strings around the 7-9th frets. SCREW = THAT. =20 I would rather anchor that bottom = end. screw=20 the middle. Instead I was playing up so high my = already=20 cheap/bad bass sounded like a popcorn fart. In summation I didn't feel it tracked = well and it=20 sounded worse. Be that as it may I still found it superior to the=20 dane-electro pedal (i think, actually I think mine is now in the trash) = that=20 people spoke well of. it was HORRIBLE. I hated=20 it. I thought of selling it to somone on = this=20 list. I would sell it for 20 in a heart beat but I couldn't with a = good=20 concious. I truly felt my pedal had to be bad. My main ax is a 50 dollar banjo that I = defretted to=20 make a minstrel banjo. MY EARS AREN"T THAT = DELICATE. I will convince my head that something = sounds good=20 even if its crap. As long as its different, and more importantly,=20 CHEAP. please listen to my best song, Clifford = Ratliff in=20 which I feature said banjo. ITS CRAP but the song suites = it. I'm just a crappy guy but I guess I = take my low end=20 serious. Sorry so lengthy. i'm typing this = from a=20 computer and i type faster than I think. chaz ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 Ed=20 Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 10, = 2011 11:12=20 PM Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a = tool for=20 looped bass. On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:56 AM, chaz worm wrote: I had an OC2 and I found it unacceptable = for even my=20 ridiculously low standards. I hated it. I went to the nearest = used=20 equipment store to find a replacement. I'm happy to hear this not so glowing review because it = confirms my view. I wonder what put you off about it. For me, I find = it=20 difficult to operate. It keeps doing things I don't expect and trying = to=20 double stomp really messes me up (went out and immediately bought an = FS-6=20 footswitch). Reading the posts in this forum, I just figure everybody = else is,=20 like you say, at a different level. I want to loop, but I'm just = finding it=20 difficult. I have tried to use Mobius. It seems cool but I want to use = it with=20 footpedals. I bought a Behringer FBC1010 because I read that it was a = good=20 match for it. I cannot get it to do anything. I may have putty for = brains but=20 this stuff is not easy to get started with. If I had money, I'd pay = for=20 looping lessons. cheers, Ed=20 Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musician= spage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbr= ow/ = = ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CCB7B3.32F5CBA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 08:17:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE53C18345B; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <4297907.1323559666706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: RE: LP2 - multiply? Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:17:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acy32fGtUX6qqPvhT1aOktCECjSqTgAAps+A In-Reply-To: <4297907.1323559666706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:17:54 +0000 (UTC) I think it would be great to have a feature comparison chart, especially of LP1 and LP2 ... or even better, of EDP/Moebius/Echoloop/Evoloop/LP1/LP2 ... because there are so many similarities but also differences ... as for me, I still don't really know what the LP2 can do and which of the amazing things the LP1 does are incorporated in its little brother -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 08:19:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8433F183464; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=0OxavbBLKS0A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=yJpT7fFDAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=fusXdD0LAAAA:8 a=bKOipjDUAAAA:8 a=vzG26rX_JnlvmOd7zPAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Nq2ra8-pU4sA:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=nlyEFqz-P3lxikZo:21 a=oolDK_gu0yFowzY6:21 a=EuCacXfgjAyxoDepJJIA:9 a=ZTvKb7t2U4HVwzX5t8IA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=dkXPdmoUUTcA:10 a=O4rztpwykmY9DFkKWsvssA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> <1345C462-307D-4D03-8180-B30F7C0D5AB5@sea.plala.or.jp> <777D77BACD0B43368099C6CAFC67C691@chazdebf28bffc> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1310CBF5-0A37-41D8-AF85-BAD04781C414 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <777D77BACD0B43368099C6CAFC67C691@chazdebf28bffc> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 03:19:19 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:19:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1310CBF5-0A37-41D8-AF85-BAD04781C414 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My bad. "Clifford" is at my chazworm.com address I think.=20 I'm anything but a perfectionist.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:15 AM, "chaz worm" wrote: > For starters it was probably the first pedal I ever had. I was a bass pla= yer / lead singer in a 3 person grunge/punk band (back when grungy wasn't co= ol, mid-late 80's) and the idea of filling up all that space when my guitari= st was doing his soaring solos seemed compelling in theory.=20 > "It would be like triple cloning myself for the betterment of our meager b= and", i thought. =20 > I assumed it would be an octave up and down. I'm a real meat and potatoes= bass player. I hate playing past the 5th fret and I go nights where I coul= d easily lose my g-string too. I could venture up into that guitar whelm I t= hought.=20 > NO. TWO octaves DOWN. means I'm having to play the D and G strings aroun= d the 7-9th frets. SCREW THAT.=20 > I would rather anchor that bottom end. screw the middle. > Instead I was playing up so high my already cheap/bad bass sounded like a p= opcorn fart. > =20 > In summation I didn't feel it tracked well and it sounded worse. Be that a= s it may I still found it superior to the dane-electro pedal (i think, actua= lly I think mine is now in the trash) that people spoke well of. it was HOR= RIBLE. I hated it.=20 > I thought of selling it to somone on this list. I would sell it for 20 in= a heart beat but I couldn't with a good concious. I truly felt my pedal ha= d to be bad.=20 > My main ax is a 50 dollar banjo that I defretted to make a minstrel banjo.= =20 > MY EARS AREN"T THAT DELICATE. > I will convince my head that something sounds good even if its crap. As l= ong as its different, and more importantly, CHEAP. > please listen to my best song, Clifford Ratliff in which I feature said ba= njo.=20 > ITS CRAP but the song suites it. > I'm just a crappy guy but I guess I take my low end serious.=20 > Sorry so lengthy. i'm typing this from a computer and i type faster than I= think. > =20 > chaz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Durbrow > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:12 PM > Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. >=20 >=20 > On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:56 AM, chaz worm wrote: >=20 >> I had an OC2 and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously low sta= ndards. I hated it.=20 >> I went to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement.=20 >=20 >=20 > I'm happy to hear this not so glowing review because it confirms my view. I= wonder what put you off about it. For me, I find it difficult to operate. I= t keeps doing things I don't expect and trying to double stomp really messes= me up (went out and immediately bought an FS-6 footswitch). Reading the pos= ts in this forum, I just figure everybody else is, like you say, at a dif= ferent level. I want to loop, but I'm just finding it difficult. I have trie= d to use Mobius. It seems cool but I want to use it with footpedals. I bough= t a Behringer FBC1010 because I read that it was a good match for it. I cann= ot get it to do anything. I may have putty for brains but this stuff is not e= asy to get started with. If I had money, I'd pay for looping lessons. > cheers, >=20 > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1310CBF5-0A37-41D8-AF85-BAD04781C414 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 My bad. "Clifford" is at my chazworm.com address I think. I'm anything but a perfectionist. Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:15 AM, "chaz worm" <chaz@earthwormandfire.com> wrote: For starters it was probably the first pedal I ever had. I was a bass player / lead singer in a 3 person grunge/punk band (back when grungy wasn't cool, mid-late 80's) and the idea of filling up all that space when my guitarist was doing his soaring solos seemed compelling in theory. "It would be like triple cloning myself for the betterment of our meager band", i thought. I assumed it would be an octave up and down. I'm a real meat and potatoes bass player. I hate playing past the 5th fret and I go nights where I could easily lose my g-string too. I could venture up into that guitar whelm I thought. NO. TWO octaves DOWN. means I'm having to play the D and G strings around the 7-9th frets. SCREW THAT. I would rather anchor that bottom end. screw the middle. Instead I was playing up so high my already cheap/bad bass sounded like a popcorn fart. In summation I didn't feel it tracked well and it sounded worse. Be that as it may I still found it superior to the dane-electro pedal (i think, actually I think mine is now in the trash) that people spoke well of. it was HORRIBLE. I hated it. I thought of selling it to somone on this list. I would sell it for 20 in a heart beat but I couldn't with a good concious. I truly felt my pedal had to be bad. My main ax is a 50 dollar banjo that I defretted to make a minstrel banjo. MY EARS AREN"T THAT DELICATE. I will convince my head that something sounds good even if its crap. As long as its different, and more importantly, CHEAP. please listen to my best song, Clifford Ratliff in which I feature said banjo. ITS CRAP but the song suites it. I'm just a crappy guy but I guess I take my low end serious. Sorry so lengthy. i'm typing this from a computer and i type faster than I think. chaz ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:12 PM Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:56 AM, chaz worm wrote: I had an OC2 and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously low standards. I hated it. I went to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement. I'm happy to hear this not so glowing review because it confirms my view. I wonder what put you off about it. For me, I find it difficult to operate. It keeps doing things I don't expect and trying to double stomp really messes me up (went out and immediately bought an FS-6 footswitch). Reading the posts in this forum, I just figure everybody else is, like you say, at a different level. I want to loop, but I'm just finding it difficult. I have tried to use Mobius. It seems cool but I want to use it with footpedals. I bought a Behringer FBC1010 because I read that it was a good match for it. I cannot get it to do anything. I may have putty for brains but this stuff is not easy to get started with. If I had money, I'd pay for looping lessons. cheers, Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-1310CBF5-0A37-41D8-AF85-BAD04781C414-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 09:56:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A7CD18345D; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=F8hBok6UNei4tMh5pp+KtnwRyGlVx3+zbRyFVcNPzpo=; b=C7lakh3LPyh//whfXdOrKPePTyUZGMUaQ3tjZTDERaH0rSZYWHXVD2csx41aZs16eZ RJwkoaXaP5ZVAkJ8a5FhQSY9AOQJw2sn0UBpqG7t6mYE7p2kVDwEknfP2E8euHu4pnVp z9zwQuHGrmAbb/uvwVtcftiN9QvV6VQK4Cr40= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4AF39678-A61D-4886-A9D1-2208947B1520@grubmah.com> References: <4AF39678-A61D-4886-A9D1-2208947B1520@grubmah.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:56:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: k217UBP4zzDwoxsr3NM7wBqpCMk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Electribe ESX (was Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300513e2d8386b04b3ce088f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:56:42 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300513e2d8386b04b3ce088f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:06 PM, mark francombe wrote: Recent sales of neglected gear have resulted in two purchases. The Korg Electribe ESX (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much lauded Roland GR55 Guitar synth.Lets take that one now, and the drum-machine later.* *On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:* *Still looking forward to the ESX review... OK Then Mark! *Well, a few caveats first*,* I have NOT had enough time to really go through the whole machine, and some funky issues I have, may simply be NEWB-ness. Having said that, I dive in. I will say at the outset that I have always been a BIG lover of drum-machines, and have owned many, and wish to God that I had kept every last one of them. I might even make a page on my blog listing them. **There is no doubt in my mind that this one is by far the best drum-machine I have ever owned. Of course an 808 or a 606 has/had its unbeatable features, but the Electribe ESX1 is a sampler, and as such you can have any sounds you want. Of course pitching an 808 bass-drum on an 808 is always going to be better than pitching a sampler, but this is a new drum-machine with its own sound in a way. It comes with a stack of drum sounds and OK-ish instruments, but interestingly NOT NAMED.. the 808 Bass drum is just called BD-2. And its not stuffed full of sounds (My previous Dr Groove had 512 sounds... I NEVER could be bothered to go through them) So, This is quite good in a way, it encourages you to make your own samples... I have been sampling pins dropping, tiny little sandpaper scrapes, teeth clacking, and plastic bottles filled with water... But to Sampling later. The Electribes are known for its live tweakability, and the effect section is great (the reverb however is un-usable) But basically there are 3 effects sends, and every intrument can be assigned to any of the sends. The sends can be routed, machine wide to go from one send into the next. and the instruments can be "tapped" into that chain at any point. So a hi hat can get delay, and a snare can get bit-crushing AND delay. I am enjoying having three delays with different delay times, and then punching in and out the different times. There is something they call a Motion Sequence. This is grabbed from the KP3 and is automation of your effect tweaking... I think this is probably very powerful, but haven't really gone into it too much. But alot of things can be solved using this. For example, I was quite disappointed that it doesnt have proper (OK any) method to adjust individual note volume (velocity). To make realistic drum patterns this is an absolute necessity. Well firstly I though, well of course this is a "dance oriented" machine and as such the subtleties of realistic drum programming are lost on this genre... but then I realized that with a bit of subtle tweaking of the instrument level knob WHILE RECORDING ON THE MOTION SEQ, got me very quickly a subtly varying velocity on that instrument within the pattern. Not realistic, but very very nice. The fact that every instrument can be modulated by effects, an lfo on volume filter and pan, the length of the sample envelope ( Basic, would have liked an Attack, as well of just Decay) every sample can be reversed and have its in point adjusted live, fantastic for scanning thru a long varying drone sample ( a bit like wave-table scanning). Which brings me to the sampler section, and types of sample, and the not so OT part of this topic. I should mention that I knew beforehand that an audio input can be treated by the effects and indeed can have a pattern recorded on the grid, so you can "Trance gate" incoming audio. this is of course fun, but I must admit that I thought that sampling would be just as fun. I was imagining, and interpreted the manual online before my purchase, that one could A) SAMPLE LIVE... as the pattern was playing, and, B) in much the same way that I understand the Elektron Octatrack works, the sample you JUST made could be triggered by a pre-programmed grid. Not the case on either of the above. Infact (why? Why? WHY?) you HAVE to stop the pattern playing and sample in a stopped position. EVEN WORSE, you have to EDIT the sample in a stopped position. This to me has resulted in a flurry of forum posts onto the quite dead Electribe Forum, regarding HOW THE HELL CAN YOU EDIT A DRUM LOOP IN THE MACHINE. If you cant hear it looping IN SITU, you can't tell if you have the right in-point. You can always find a LOOP point ok, but does that loop sit, in sync, with other elements on the grid? You cant tell wothout going out of Sample editting mode and listening to it in a pattern, and IF you are planning that to be one of the "special sample modes" its even worse, cos you have to perform an operation first. So The ESX went, for me, from being a potential weird LIVE LOOPING DEVICE, to being... well... a drum-machine. God... 20 years ago, I was LIVE sampling into my Akai S1000 while it was triggered by my Amiga Computer running Octamed... And you cant do it now??? Second sample issue: The pointlessness of the Stretch and Slice samples. There are 3 "types" of samples on the ESX. A regular one shot sample, meant for individual drum sounds. Great, no arguments here... On these sounds you have all you need to edit the sound on the front panel, as the ESX has a knob for Start Point. But the other modes??? Stretch part: A time shifted part (you have 1 stereo slot, or 2 mono) that will stay the same length however you pitch it.. lots of fun.. BUT IF YOU CAN EDIT YOUR SAMPLE SEE ABOVE. you HAVE to get the sample length exactly correct because when you run the program that turns it into the Stretch Sample, it has to divide correctly. but If you cant edit in sync with the drum machine, it pretty impossible to do. But then THE TOTALLY pointless SLICE part. "What you you mean Mark? Isnt this like a Rex file on Reason? But arnt they cool as F***???) Well yes it is.. This (for the younger amongst us) was the method we used in the old days, to enable speeding up and slowing down of drum loops. One slice the loop into 16 beats ( I did 8, couldn't be assed) BY HAND, on our samplers... (lots of maths and keeping notes to not erase a slice by accident and lots of annoying naming with a scroll wheels) So that when you programmed your beat you assigned one slice to a different note and then played a scale on the sequencer to re build your loop. This you can do on the ESX, infact its easy! But then... the next (AND IMPORTANT) part of slicing was that it gave us the ability to rearrange a drum-loop... who cares about speeding it up, we can do that in other ways not (see STRETCH PART above) but no.. REARRANGING DRUM LOOP SLICES CANNOT BE DONE ON THE ESX!!! So what CAN be done? Well you can mute bits of it... thats it... totally pointless!!! OK.. there IS a way to take a drum loop, slice it, then assign each slice to a REGULAR sample slot, and re prgram you beat THAT WAY (Infact this is a nifty way to load up a whole bunch of drum sounds. Put them all into one big Wav fale then slice it, and then add then BY SLICE to the regular pads- it also saves onf ESX memory "slots") So I really dont have a clue what they were thinking here... Its like they knew that thsi technique was used in Break-beat music, but never fully understood why! I got some ansers from the forums regarding HOW people were editing samples ON the ESX... There are not, they are just importing drum loops from the computer. (I have another problem with this ... see below) To summarize with: Its beautifully made, strong, metal, heavy and a joy to play with as a result! The demo songs, (though crap) do demonstrate what is possible on this unit, and if you were doing dance music, I would say maybe you need nothing else. I cant currently get samples off my computer and on to a SD card, but this maybe an issue I can solve sometime. It might be the type of card or I might be able to run some kind of software, but weirdly Korg don't make a editor software! OH, and the Valves.. a gimmick.. they sound horrible. turn them off! Warm distortion.. my arse! (there is some talk of swapping them out for an alternative valve, making some improvements, but its NOT like the valve distortion can be assigned to one instrument, its to the whole damn mix... who needs that?) As Mr Walker said, about my GR55 review, Ive been REALLY critical here... remember Im a grumpy Englishman and as such always look for the worse in things (people) After all this criticism, I want people to review what I said right at the start of this review. The place I marked with two asterisks ... ** thus. MArk -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300513e2d8386b04b3ce088f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:06 PM, mark francombe wrote: R= ecent sales of neglected gear have resulted in two purchases. The Korg Elec= tribe ESX (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much lauded Roland GR5= 5 Guitar synth.Lets take that one now, and = the drum-machine later. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com><= /span> wrote: Still looking forward to the ESX review... OK Then Mark! Well, a few caveats first, I have NOT = had enough time to really go through the whole machine, and some funky issu= es I have, may simply be NEWB-ness. Having said that, I dive in. I will say at the outset that I have always be= en a BIG lover of drum-machines, and have owned many, and wis= h to God that I had kept every last one of them. I might even make a page o= n my blog listing them. **There is no doubt in my mind that this one is by far the best drum-ma= chine I have ever owned. Of course an 808 or a 606 has/had its unbeatable f= eatures, but the Electribe ESX1 is a sampler, and as such you can have any = sounds you want. Of course pitching an 808 bass-drum on an 808 is always go= ing to be better than pitching a sampler, but this is a new drum-machine wi= th its own sound in a way. It comes with a stack of drum sounds and OK-ish = instruments, but interestingly NOT NAMED.. the 808 Bass drum is just called= BD-2. And its not stuffed full of sounds (My previous Dr Groove had 512 so= unds... I NEVER could be bothered to go through them) So, This is quite goo= d in a way, it encourages you to make your own samples... I have been sampl= ing pins dropping, tiny little sandpaper scrapes, teeth clacking, and plast= ic bottles filled with water... But to Sampling later. The Electribes are known for its live twe= akability, and the effect section is great (the reverb however is un-usable= ) But basically there are 3 effects sends, and every intrument can be assig= ned to any of the sends. The sends can be routed, machine wide to go from o= ne send into the next. and the instruments can be "tapped" into t= hat chain at any point. So a hi hat can get delay, and a snare can get bit-= crushing AND delay. I am enjoying having three delays with different delay times, and then punc= hing in and out the different times. There is something they call a Motion = Sequence. This is grabbed from the KP3 and is automation of your effect twe= aking... I think this is probably very powerful, but haven't really gon= e into it too much. But alot of things can be solved using this. For example, I was quite disappointed that it doesnt have proper (OK any) m= ethod to adjust individual note volume (velocity). To make realistic drum p= atterns this is an absolute necessity. Well firstly I though, well of cours= e this is a "dance oriented" machine and as such the subtleties o= f realistic drum programming are lost on this genre... but then I realized = that with a bit of subtle tweaking of the instrument level knob WHILE RECOR= DING ON THE MOTION SEQ, got me very quickly a subtly varying velocity on th= at instrument within the pattern. Not realistic, but very very nice. The fact that every instrument can be modulated by effects, an lfo on v= olume filter and pan, the length of the sample envelope ( Basic, would have= liked an Attack, as well of=A0 just Decay) every sample can be reversed an= d have its in point adjusted live, fantastic for scanning thru a long varyi= ng drone sample ( a bit like wave-table scanning). Which brings me to the sampler section, and types of sample, and the no= t so OT part of this topic. I should mention that I knew beforehand tha= t an audio input can be treated by the effects and indeed can have a patter= n recorded on the grid, so you can "Trance gate" incoming audio. = this is of course fun, but I must admit that I thought that sampling would = be just as fun. I was imagining, and interpreted the manual online before my purchase, that= one could A) SAMPLE LIVE... as the pattern was playing, and, B) in much th= e same way that I understand the Elektron Octatrack works, the sample you J= UST made could be triggered by a pre-programmed grid. Not the case on either of the above. Infact (why? Why? WHY?) you HAVE to st= op the pattern playing and sample in a stopped position. EVEN WORSE, you ha= ve to EDIT the sample in a stopped position. This to me has resulted in a f= lurry of forum posts onto the quite dead Electribe Forum, regarding HOW THE= HELL CAN YOU EDIT A DRUM LOOP IN THE MACHINE. If you cant hear it looping = IN SITU, you can't tell if you have the right in-point. You can always = find a LOOP point ok, but does that loop sit, in sync, with other elements = on the grid? You cant tell wothout going out of Sample editting mode and li= stening to it in a pattern, and IF you are planning that to be one of the &= quot;special sample modes" its even worse, cos you have to perform an = operation first. So The ESX went, for me, from being a potential weird LIVE LOOPING DEVI= CE, to being... well... a drum-machine. God... 20 years ago, I was L= IVE sampling into my Akai S1000 while it was triggered by my Amiga Computer= running Octamed... And you cant do it now??? Second sample issue: The pointlessness of the Stretch and Slice samples= . There are 3 "types" of samples on the ESX. A regular one sho= t sample, meant for individual drum sounds. Great, no arguments here... On = these sounds you have all you need to edit the sound on the front panel, as= the ESX has a knob for Start Point. But the other modes??? Stretch part: A time shifted part (you have 1 ste= reo slot, or 2 mono) that will stay the same length however you pitch it.. = lots of fun.. BUT IF YOU CAN EDIT YOUR SAMPLE SEE ABOVE. you HAVE to get th= e sample length exactly correct because when you run the program that turns= it into the Stretch Sample, it has to divide correctly. but If you cant ed= it in sync with the drum machine, it pretty impossible to do. But then THE TOTALLY pointless SLICE part. "What you you mean Mark? Is= nt this like a Rex file on Reason? But arnt they cool as F***???) Well yes = it is.. This (for the younger amongst us) was the method we used in the old= days, to enable speeding up and slowing down of drum loops. One slice the = loop into 16 beats ( I did 8, couldn't be assed) BY HAND, on our sample= rs... (lots of maths and keeping notes to not erase a slice by accident and= lots of annoying naming with a scroll wheels) So that when you programmed = your beat you assigned one slice to a different note and then played a scal= e on the sequencer to re build your loop. This you can do on the ESX, infact its easy! But then... the next (AND = IMPORTANT) part of slicing was that it gave us the ability to rearrange a d= rum-loop... who cares about speeding it up, we can do that in other ways no= t (see STRETCH PART above) but no.. REARRANGING=A0 DRUM LOOP SLICES CANNOT = BE DONE ON THE ESX!!! So what CAN be done? Well you can mute bits of it... = thats it... totally pointless!!! OK.. there IS a way to take a drum loop, slice it, then assign each slice t= o a REGULAR sample slot, and re prgram you beat THAT WAY (Infact this is a = nifty way to load up a whole bunch of drum sounds. Put them all into one bi= g Wav fale then slice it, and then add then BY SLICE to the regular pads- i= t also saves onf ESX memory "slots") So I really dont have a clue what they were thinking here... Its like they = knew that thsi technique was used in Break-beat music, but never fully unde= rstood why! I got some ansers from the forums regarding HOW people w= ere editing samples ON the ESX... There are not, they are just importing dr= um loops from the computer. (I have another problem with this ... see below= ) To summarize with: Its beautifully made, strong, metal, heavy an= d a joy to play with as a result! The demo songs, (though crap) do demon= strate what is possible on this unit, and if you were doing dance music, I = would say maybe you need nothing else. I cant currently get samples off my computer and on to a SD card, but this = maybe an issue I can solve sometime. It might be the type of card or I migh= t be able to run some kind of software, but weirdly Korg don't make a e= ditor software! OH, and the Valves.. a gimmick.. they sound horrible. turn them off! Warm d= istortion.. my arse! (there is some talk of swapping them out for an altern= ative valve, making some improvements, but its NOT like the valve distortio= n can be assigned to one instrument, its to the whole damn mix... who needs= that?) As Mr Walker said, about my GR55 review, Ive been REALLY critical here.= .. remember Im a grumpy Englishman and as such always look for the worse in= things (people) After all this criticism, I want people to review what I s= aid right at the start of this review. The place I marked with two asterisk= s ... ** thus. MArk -- = Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --20cf300513e2d8386b04b3ce088f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 10:08:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 422A018345D; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=+r+l454+K6sVeU7W0IGSj/TiYWXdiCMpHPBm4qXBKng=; b=U149gQIumiyKb6KR4SdvkKgRsYHbmBndXX+QY4RT/gSUBqH34TnRG0QKwNQS5qGLBR +S7MoItbgIyjxgT0ptNTrPhKdpZ/0FtDYZj7R6kNr1k+E2Rlk42rzlNjDeEEsKorZ3TW D0vEvqg4ftSlGyZMx2sGnTjLaHBSIfSm+eO0A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4297907.1323559666706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:08:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fHKr8Qk4rQ3bAHUAJ51jvHXXuds Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300513e28d72bb04b3ce3449 Resent-Message-ID: <8PYY7D.A.4LG.3EI5OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:08:55 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300513e28d72bb04b3ce3449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Didnt Per have something like this on his website once? Is it up to date Per? On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > I think it would be great to have a feature comparison chart, especially of > LP1 and LP2 ... or even better, of EDP/Moebius/Echoloop/Evoloop/LP1/LP2 ... > because there are so many similarities but also differences ... as for me, > I > still don't really know what the LP2 can do and which of the amazing things > the LP1 does are incorporated in its little brother > > -Michael > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300513e28d72bb04b3ce3449 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Didnt Per have something like this on his website once? Is it up to date= Per? On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Mi= chael Peters <mp@mpet= ers.de> wrote: I think it would be great to have a feature = comparison chart, especially of LP1 and LP2 ... or even better, of EDP/Moebius/Echoloop/Evoloop/LP1/LP2 ...= because there are so many similarities but also differences ... as for me, = I still don't really know what the LP2 can do and which of the amazing th= ings the LP1 does are incorporated in its little brother -Michael -- = Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --20cf300513e28d72bb04b3ce3449-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 10:22:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F72E183453; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=TEkvEeJKl5QP0/AgeHhiQWqJQtUbPJxIhQVnGopiYQU=; b=fPNVg4lnYGhCDlty+c/VU8ST9hCWyuoAKogDT/NnI7q09a3few7Oxv+UYx/JFLyWDx 1/TjoIWS3tmYkZgHlYNZ68TSQssw7/qecWxNzlYbNN/Ma8iFS2PaYiUTkigmMeYELNWK RWbGmTSEfS/BXwHx7uVxQ3g+7EmImk4E2QqJ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1345C462-307D-4D03-8180-B30F7C0D5AB5@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> <1345C462-307D-4D03-8180-B30F7C0D5AB5@sea.plala.or.jp> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:21:46 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: w0hsOct5UBQft73nDWSBXAieeAs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045017548ea5e9704b3ce6372 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:22:08 +0000 (UTC) --005045017548ea5e9704b3ce6372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Programming the FCB1010, if its the firts thing youve done in midi world.. would be hell. But its NOT as hard as people make out. I have instructions on my blog at: http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=49 However if you are going for Mobius, I really suggest that you do what Per does, and let the programming of your pedal be done by Mobius, not the FCB. OK It might be wise later one to set the FCB to have a set of clean default midi note numbers. (But you can skip this and try with whatever the FCB is already programmed with... might work???) What I mean by that is you need to program PEDAL ONE to send a midi note. (press DOWN and hold Press UP once to pass a function we dont need. YOu then see lights on different pedals, this shows WHAT is being programmed, turn every light off by pressing a pedal, till only pedal 10 is lit. This means midi note. Press UP to edit THAT. select number ONE, and then press UP again, to save... Press DOWN and HOLD; to leave programing. You have now programmed a pedal to send midi note 1. Now doe the same for the 10 pedals increasing the number. SO that pedal 2 gets midi note 2 and so on. THEN Never touch the FCB1010 again. Everything you do now is within the midi binding window in Mobius. Just select a parameter you want to control from a pedal, click learn, and press the pedal. It should show you what the pedal just sent... Do this with all the commands you want... On the bog page I have incuded a list of the most sensible starting up paremeters. But bare in mind this is meant for EDP so you need to decode the difference hope this helps Mark On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:56 AM, chaz worm wrote: > > I had an OC2 and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously low > standards. I hated it. > I went to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement. > > > I'm happy to hear this not so glowing review because it confirms my view. > I wonder what put you off about it. For me, I find it difficult to operate. > It keeps doing things I don't expect and trying to double stomp really > messes me up (went out and immediately bought an FS-6 footswitch). Reading > the posts in this forum, I just figure everybody else is, like you say, at > a different level. I want to loop, but I'm just finding it difficult. I > have tried to use Mobius. It seems cool but I want to use it with > footpedals. I bought a Behringer FBC1010 because I read that it was a good > match for it. I cannot get it to do anything. I may have putty for brains > but this stuff is not easy to get started with. If I had money, I'd pay for > looping lessons. > cheers, > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --005045017548ea5e9704b3ce6372 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Programming the FCB1010, if its the firts thing youve done in midi world.. = would be hell. But its NOT as hard as people make out. I have instruc= tions on my blog at: http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D49 However if you are going for Mobius, I really suggest that you do what = Per does, and let the programming of your pedal be done by Mobius, not the = FCB. OK It might be wise later one to set the FCB to have a set of clean de= fault midi note numbers. (But you can skip this and try with whatever the FCB is already programmed = with... might work???) What I mean by that is you need to program PE= DAL ONE to send a midi note. (press DOWN and hold Press UP once to pass a f= unction we dont need. YOu then see lights on different pedals, this shows W= HAT is being programmed, turn every light off by pressing a pedal, till onl= y pedal 10 is lit. This means midi note. Press UP to edit THAT. select numb= er ONE, and then press UP again, to save... Press DOWN and HOLD; to leave p= rograming. You have now programmed a pedal to send midi note 1. Now doe the= same for the 10 pedals increasing the number. SO that pedal 2 gets midi no= te 2 and so on. THEN Never touch the FCB1010 again. Everything you do now is within the= midi binding window in Mobius. Just select a parameter you want to control= from a pedal, click learn, and press the pedal. It should show you what th= e pedal just sent... Do this with all the commands you want... On the bog p= age I have incuded a list of the most sensible starting up paremeters. But = bare in mind this is meant for EDP so you need to decode the difference hope this helps Mark On Su= n, Dec 11, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote= : On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:56 AM, chaz worm wrote: I had an OC2= and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously low standards. I hate= d it.=A0 I went to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement.=A0<= /span> I'm happy to hear this n= ot so glowing review because it confirms my view. I wonder what put you off= about it. For me, I find it difficult to operate. It keeps doing things I = don't expect and trying to double stomp really messes me up (went out a= nd immediately bought an FS-6 footswitch). Reading the posts in this forum,= I just figure everybody else is, like you say, at a different level. I wan= t to loop, but I'm just finding it difficult. I have tried to use Mobiu= s. It seems cool but I want to use it with footpedals. I bought a Behringer= FBC1010 because I read that it was a good match for it. I cannot get it to= do anything. I may have putty for brains but this stuff is not easy to get= started with. If I had money, I'd pay for looping lessons. cheers, Ed Durbrow Saitama, = Japan <= span style=3D"font-size:14px">http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/<= /a> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- Ma= rk Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --005045017548ea5e9704b3ce6372-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 10:59:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC55118345E; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QqSNUtlvw7SDo/iyAYSyMhK1MhIsXSn/XkXBy7TqZa0=; b=asSfJA+YPPkK0y82s+9cCUQCUfzyldityUId+FLFHUpqe0orWsYTg/2FKedVbrimnZ glBJWx4ikNZ5lej8ujKLzo8IsDGJKLFm1cm5sja/nCnTFHMZDxpOLmlqWP0ShtPVtx9e 8IdwyI92POZjJgl+TKavopo0lM4XSUXslnXLo= Message-ID: <4EE48D14.3000405@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:59:32 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> <1345C462-307D-4D03-8180-B30F7C0D5AB5@sea.plala.or.jp> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:59:36 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe schrieb: > Programming the FCB1010, if its the firts thing youve done in midi > world.. would be hell. > But its NOT as hard as people make out. > I have instructions on my blog at: > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=49 There's two things that make this cumbersome: first, there's quite some functionality hidden in that primitive programming user interface. Then, the sheer number of button presses required to program all the MIDI notes and exp pedals for all of your switches (not just the first 10) isn't that much fun... I personally used this freeware editor (windows only afaik): http://host.mtnsys.com:81/faq-fcb/PCEditorBeta.htm There might be other alternatives available. And as suggested, after you've done that, make sure to never go into programming mode again. Heck, I think the last time I did this was 2005? Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 11:25:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B908618345E; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=nIJchvPO6cv9PVSsho0cj/etk9X3uiu32599wEKam8s=; b=B+o/Q8ICQwxO+JoIV7P7oXZM6GpCFBFVUhUt4D/NAPC0h/iH/wyWZ5BbxDquWVGn6F 788ts3IqZ2D/LA0vAuqkdfnhplrhImmyklnOIcYFFGErsQ1hh7EVgdXIkryl1dfqRVhq X2T6L80AXu6BLmiTasQsPwiL0E1K+EHqzq7RY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4EE48D14.3000405@googlemail.com> References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> <1345C462-307D-4D03-8180-B30F7C0D5AB5@sea.plala.or.jp> <4EE48D14.3000405@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:24:47 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CAhiETXY6NfqGqC6mgXoTFQ7b68 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450175483e697404b3cf4519 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:25:09 +0000 (UTC) --0050450175483e697404b3cf4519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Rainer Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > > And as suggested, after you've done that, make sure to never go into > programming mode again. Heck, I think the last time I did this was 2005? There is some Mac software I believe, but its only for firmware 2 or above (does it go above 2?) My FCB is firmware 1.00 and has lasted 8 years, with only a few switches going dodgy that I replaced simply and easily) And I find programming it pretty simple now... The weirdness of which you spoke is I believe the initial setting up of the global shit... If anyone needs another explanation of that just ask... Ufortunately there are still few hardware boxes capable of midi learn, (LP1 being one exception I believe) so IMNOHO, its best to get used to programing the FCB without software, frankly, plugging it into the computer and faffing with software and midi ins and outs and wondering why its not working.. etc, takes much longer than LONG DOWN UP PRESS PRESS UP PRESS UP LONG DOWN -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --0050450175483e697404b3cf4519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Rainer Straschill <<= a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com">moinsound@googlemail.com>= wrote: And as suggested, after you've done that, make sure to never go into pr= ogramming mode again. Heck, I think the last time I did this was 2005? There is some Mac software I believe, but its only for fir= mware 2 or above (does it go above 2?) My FCB is firmware 1.00 and has last= ed 8 years, with only a few switches going dodgy that I replaced simply and= easily)=A0 And I find programming it pretty simple now... The weirdness of= which you spoke is I believe the initial setting up of the global shit... = If anyone needs another explanation of that just ask... Ufortunately there are still few hardware boxes capable of midi learn, = (LP1 being one exception I believe) so IMNOHO, its best to get used to prog= raming the FCB without software, frankly, plugging it into the computer and= faffing with software and midi ins and outs and wondering why its not work= ing.. etc, takes much longer than LONG DOWN UP PRESS PRESS UP PRESS UP LONG= DOWN -- Mark Francombe<= /font> www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --0050450175483e697404b3cf4519-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 13:27:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D278318345B; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=HKLpmsSm4/8rq2rSTfM8x9hTP6QkA+GY4gdnUCzKE6g=; b=NS75YdNTnFfZdsy4JOYglWY3+bMPfMoUsDbEjyxHOPgfozCMq3EbzLthIHCgjep4MY BK4qcMcZjZM1nJdpuOIyzXPvU3mUmSxYxdjn+snoWqq3V2Fd3IOUqBgMLuwi2Rj/SATs XtrWUIO6LfKICc/al+qAAHORvLhQKW8nOyQL8= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Logic Pro 199,- download / Mainstage 2.2 From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:27:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0CCC5007-EBBE-4BDB-B16B-B001C8935CAB@gmail.com> References: <20111209210624.159740@gmx.net> <307B5433-EA0F-4C35-9C27-AA8ABA020193@gmail.com> <371B7FC2-2FEA-4421-BE04-DA5D90D698BE@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Oh cool! That makes more sense not to send my Mobius midi controls = through Mainstage if I don't need to. Thank you for the tip, Per! On Dec 10, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > That's weird, Todd. I have not tried 2.2 yet so I can't confirm your > finding here. But there are other ways to set up Mobius in Mainstage > than that sidechain based one. -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 13:35:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D45BE18345F; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qgm6++iUvV58Zo42M4rz62XVeAUkJqNbC9VHp8j3rMY=; b=sXk7kF7o2ccliKK5EWG3ccG6sumBs5d9cXbpOgl2REQn0bijHRhzwJcOfbfTiSfuj1 SFkCtIV7zLe3SI2uEtmkOgIyyLYPvBpKdFumh4OqhgEOwjzBVUi6u0rRMqP28BfW+uST QeTC4YaHQFaznXHjMWzg7Neg2g7KgDpQFOSZw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4297907.1323559666706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:35:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <2YXSsB.A.ql.TGL5OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:35:15 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Didnt Per have something like this on his website once? > Is it up to date Per? Yes, pretty much up to date as far as I have found information. LP2 is not covered because there hasn't been an official release yet and no feature set chart or manual published. http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 17:30:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91E08183453; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=1AkWqpsuX4a4yRdHhDQR5PmGNKhc7w7zk0rwSRct5I0=; b=B8RsNhUcgve7aRTHXneERRCwwVNqhIkZ+4mfnZkLwGwrWL2INmlgtoa72lCA9S+VH2 wZpGLID02JJ20y4wcmhiIOr9woGJSs5+7Prhu7a1Q3Jhgjw/BrOBbM14CKZ+nPt39ylV WokfBGc0xRD/NRNG7v45c+Fn9oASRRDOQRRp4= From: "Bruno E. Kleinefeld" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--427461113 Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? (for Rick Walker) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:30:06 +0100 Message-Id: <85178391-61BE-4BD3-AACC-66CCC4A750CE@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:30:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--427461113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry guys for using the list for personal purposes but it seems that my = emails never reach Rick, so I just send him a PM here. Please excuse me. Rick my dear! I do not know how this thing among us works :) You write me, I answer you, and everytime it seems that you do not = receive my emails. One year ago I wrote you twice, about your kind invitation you sent me = to the Y2K (did u forget you did it ???), but had no answer. And this = happened in the past too. what is wrong with my emails? :(=20 anyhow I am fine. Fiorella too, and I know you are 'cause I follow you = on the list. I am sending you an email with the lost messages, maybe there is = something interesting for you. I even uploaded on your ftp, years ago, = the recording of your concert here in Milan, but you never told me if = you received. Did you receive it? Well I think so, 'cause the upload = worked fine :) Give Chris a huge hug from me.=20 b:k >=20 > Da:=20 > Rick Walker > Data:=20 > 10 dicembre 2011 23.13.23 GMT+01.00 > A:=20 > bruno kleinefeld > Cc:=20 > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Oggetto:=20 > Re: LP2 - multiply? >=20 >=20 > Wow, Bruno, wow!!!!! > I've tried to contact you for a really long time but not known how to. > Glad to hear from you again. >=20 > There is no multiply function in the LP-2 >=20 > Sorry to dissapoint but very, very happy to hear from you, finally. >=20 > How are you doing? How's your looping coming along? >=20 > yours, very fondly, Rick > (Chris says hi, too) >=20 > ps please write me a note off list. --Apple-Mail-12--427461113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> = 10 dicembre 2011 23.13.23 = GMT+01.00 A: bruno kleinefeld <bruno.bk@gmail.com> Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com Oggetto: Re: LP2 - = multiply? Wow, = Bruno, wow!!!!! I've tried to contact you = for a really long time but not known how to. Glad to hear from = you again. There is no multiply function in the = LP-2 Sorry to dissapoint but very, very happy = to hear from you, finally. How are you doing? = How's your looping coming = along? yours, very fondly, = Rick (Chris says hi, = too) ps please write me a note off = list.= --Apple-Mail-12--427461113-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 17:55:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9450818345E; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=zrZTPgbWWkozd+kfv905GfibPpXZTrsVIAxFUfJ3p6s=; b=IRyzfKaC9cONuzeWH7tJIwzNwnFGWWs5TkE3Fib8IsWZicg3Q2n2GjfJBebT9iyp1B 5H+9aIt1gmSYstHMR9H01A8ZsC+ByDsnw0TmTB0y1687UQbhV0FVZXOTi93Mkjs7UPDZ tbWUYWXP05ocTkGRcFqADg2M53/DgR505tBaI= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Ableton Live Automation - How Annoying Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:55:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0EEC_01CCB7F3.6749FDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:55:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0EEC_01CCB7F3.6749FDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How are you live loopers using Live dealing with automation when you = record your performances? I find it entirely annoying that when I am = recording a performance, all within one track, that all of my key = strokes are recorded as automation. Is there a way to turn that off = globally? I read some other forums and found others having the same = problem. ------=_NextPart_000_0EEC_01CCB7F3.6749FDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How are you live loopers using Live = dealing with=20 automation when you record your performances? I find it entirely = annoying that=20 when I am recording a performance, all within one track, that all of my = key=20 strokes are recorded as automation. Is there a way to turn that off=20 globally? I read some other forums and found others having the = same=20 problem. ------=_NextPart_000_0EEC_01CCB7F3.6749FDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 19:03:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2096E18345D; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=N+OCNyVxhLh+HfUMKTAK+jgih2B6Vy8R1gQ7vkJPbQg=; b=BPfs0gsTrvI0E2GR/gxUdeT4mO9VphPRqHhlwp4AThZRsv5Jt63VWDdR5AMETwBsbr tJTLN1P/cw1guL9cf/UBYVRnaRtEDtNB3Hveh0RjwNkOk02TwwqjQ0hiIG1izz7z9lUc 1Exh+Rd6YDjfpWXaB71xE1b6G1tcyGgi71nTg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:03:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live Automation - How Annoying From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Kris Hartung Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:03:15 +0000 (UTC) don't push the record button of the arrange view (that one in the transport section, up, in the middle) and just arm the tracks you want to record in the session view, then capture your performance as a scene.. 2011/12/11, Kris Hartung : > How are you live loopers using Live dealing with automation when you record > your performances? I find it entirely annoying that when I am recording a > performance, all within one track, that all of my key strokes are recorded > as automation. Is there a way to turn that off globally? I read some other > forums and found others having the same problem. -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 19:13:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1427218345F; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=Pqhq85tDDjl6EQ/JrbPz09hkonIFetHSmqI9vnpgYhg=; b=JbhcQW0ZS4TYhiI1hqxxxdwPN6US6hRcS7QLrU92Il2tsXZVlEqOUad6Xr61X4BOr8 HEfGvFjv/s1Os7FSj6kqrpaZLxDno6im0b/lHIhMOCaNvAvYxw6YazLypnOvYWpEw/Lf n/JQnUtDckjsvYIsIkb+EzLlC/41zHzInFCLI= Message-ID: <128F876F19BB4D019A8206F8942C9324@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Ableton Live Automation - How Annoying Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:13:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Ahh. I'll try that. Thanks. Love that quote from Kim, btw. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > don't push the record button of the arrange view (that one in the > transport section, up, in the middle) and just arm the tracks you want > to record in the session view, then capture your performance as a > scene.. > > 2011/12/11, Kris Hartung : >> How are you live loopers using Live dealing with automation when you >> record >> your performances? I find it entirely annoying that when I am recording a >> performance, all within one track, that all of my key strokes are >> recorded >> as automation. Is there a way to turn that off globally? I read some >> other >> forums and found others having the same problem. > > > -- > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 19:59:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D03BB18345D; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-74--418501630 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: LP2 - multiply? (for Rick Walker) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:59:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:59:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-74--418501630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick my dear! I do not know how this thing among us works :) You write me, I answer you, and everytime it seems that you do not receive my emails. One year ago I wrote you twice, about your kind invitation you sent me to the Y2K (did u forget you did it ???), but had no answer. And this happened in the past too. what is wrong with my emails? :( Sounds like someone accidentally got in to some else's spam filter, which reminds me I need to check mine more often. Bill --Apple-Mail-74--418501630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick my dear! I do not know how this thing among us works :) You write me, I answer you, and everytime it seems that you do not receive my emails. One year ago I wrote you twice, about your kind invitation you sent me to the Y2K (did u forget you did it ???), but had no answer. And this happened in the past too. what is wrong with my emails? :( Sounds like someone accidentally got in to some else's spam filter, which reminds me I need to check mine more often. Bill --Apple-Mail-74--418501630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 20:17:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C373918345D; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VSAYfpcosHWJCZaA7n2TdUp6y8w/vy9YYM065ywYH+0=; b=XOoESryGvYbAzLFm7z7dAeIYe2OlmkgFc0oBB0Hf2HmGla24f+iHppwacGjYQCfGoU SE5CD2PmAdQNFlRGua665UazLH2ZAzEbjyq4bISasmS4YTI+jz4hWGFt6EKR/gqrJS5O 9qIWdR9khl6ZN0AIP+HgYCWiJ0JnCzBKJCe1w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <622F67230B384D73B79BD7B73D87D6AB@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <622F67230B384D73B79BD7B73D87D6AB@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:17:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live Automation - How Annoying From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:17:28 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Yes, I am doing this. =C2=A0I created one audio track that gets its input= from > the Master and I record just that track. > But the problem is that while I am recording live, I am pressing keystoke= s > to activate certain effects, etc. And all those are recorded as automatio= n > and played back again. Well, to simply mine and Ra=C3=BCls posta: Do-not-use-the-record-on-the-nav-bar to record audio! That rec button is for DJ style peeps that keep a bunch of loops on the harddrive and just want to record how they mangle playback of those pre recorded files. What you should do is to route the audio stream you want recorded into an audio track and then RECORD IT AS A CLIP. The detailed way to carry that out is to (1) record enable the audio track and (2) click the little marker (the launch button) on the clip to make it start recording. The file will be stored inside the "samples" folder in your project folder (where you have saved the working doc). There is also the way Ra=C3=BCl hinted at, to record by launching a scene (stop reading here if too much - the rest is optional). A scene is the name for all clips on all tracks that line up horizontally on the same row. The way to launch a scene is to click this row's launch button of the Master Output column/track/channel to the very right. Clicking there starts all clips *in this scene* and IF a track (vertical column) is record enabled the clip will start recording. If that clip slot already is occupied by a recorded clip no recording will happen even if the track is record enabled. If the clip slot is empty (clip has been deleted by the user) no recording is going to happen there even if the track is rec enabled. So, there you have the basics in working with scenes. Hope this helps. The power of Live is actually its spreadsheet layout, just give you brain a little time to embrace the concept. It is indeed different than most recorders. When you get into it you will see that it in fact is a spreadsheet for music production, because just like in Excel you can record into clips and arm those clips with different unique instructions for how to behave. I remember the Max patches you used some years ago, with extreme randomization but still somewhat drawing on what audio you play into it - similar things can easily be set up with this spreadsheet design. > > The Live user guide says: > > "All changes of a control that occur while the Control > Bar=E2=80=99s Record switch is on become automation. Try recording automa= tion for a > control, for > instance a mixer volume slider. After recording, play back what you have > just recorded > to see and hear the effect of the control movement. You will notice that = a > little LED has > appeared in the slider thumb to indicate that the control is now automate= d. > Try recording > automation for track panning and the Track Activator switch as well; thei= r > automation LEDs > appear in their upper left corners." > > But it doesn't say how to turn this off globally so that nothing is recor= ded > accept the audio to the track. That is because you use a different method to record audio (like described above). Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 23:22:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0A918345D; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=oPaL/yjGVCo68h1vZWphH8pY7FzV2KbPpyaqNJmL+yiGAppieLYEXAjXF1FO/j9Q; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:22:27 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5850a704dfafa7776c38430c8404e9546931ac85930c5bd78350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:22:29 +0000 (UTC) >Multiply offers some advantage that you only have one loop to control. >Stop and Start is simple, and you can use Reverse and speed change >without worry of keeping the layers in sync. I guess that could be handy. Do you usually specify how much to multiply by (vs just letting it continue to extend until the multiply function is deactivated)? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 23:38:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A66A18345A; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rp7burHkw9Z+7iklpnC1HWfvhrt1am37j1SHlub/tq4=; b=CAtKI//lomwtxHSB7tg3pdcUf0HhzHLYkoag5ePlNm4gAzdRYSa71KrwdR7UIDNFwJ YiL55n6KT12hyiP3BdCkZBPLj+rAZFd8k4Tg1BRf89Yy35301+rx8t0LrZLQc7FaU7Zk iOBK5Vpz18f7L5+K3fwzfcyc3nt1dQ+mk2GDw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18EA8998-96C1-4880-A013-A1F6575DF3AD@baymoon.com> References: <18EA8998-96C1-4880-A013-A1F6575DF3AD@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 01:38:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cass county waltz From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6151d2b811aa04b3d982b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:38:10 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6151d2b811aa04b3d982b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No problem Bill, its just something in your choice of notes and playing that resonates me so much! I wish I could play guitar like you - this piece got me immediately singing some lines with it. I really really liked it. Also this piece came through very heartfelt - subject is not the easiest of kind. Do you have this anywhere as a recording? -Petri- 2011/12/11 William Walker > did i see some of that Landreth behind the slide tricks... > > > Indeed Anders I completely nicked that technique from Sonny Landreth, > watching him a few years back from the photographers pit supporting John > Hiatt with his band the Goners, the light bulb went off when I saw him use > this technique. My Tele is set up with slightly lighter than ideal strings > tuned to E major which is why you hear a bit too much clank, heavier > strings the better. its definitely a finesse technique, playing on the > wild side as he describes, playing behind the bar. With all due respect to > Derek Trucks who is just as amazing in his own right, Sonny is the gold > standard for me amongst non lap steel slide guitar players, a real > innovator, with the juiciest , richest tone, so sensual and deep. > Bill > -- Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba6151d2b811aa04b3d982b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No problem Bill, its just something in your choice of notes and playing tha= t resonates me so much! I wish I could play guitar like you - this piece= got me immediately singing some lines with it. I really really liked it. Also this piece came through very heartfelt - subject is not the easiest of= kind. Do you have this anywhere as a recording? -Petri- = 2011/12/11 William Walker <= billwalker@baymoon.com> did i see some = of that Landreth behind the slide tricks...=A0 Indeed Ande= rs I completely nicked that technique from Sonny Landreth, watching him a f= ew years back from the photographers pit supporting John Hiatt with his ban= d the Goners, the light bulb went off when I saw him use this technique. My= Tele is set up with slightly lighter than ideal strings tuned to E major w= hich is why you hear a bit too much clank, heavier strings the better. =A0i= ts definitely a finesse technique, playing on the wild side as he describes= , playing behind the bar. With all due respect to Derek Trucks who is just = as amazing in his own right, Sonny is the gold standard for me amongst non = lap steel slide guitar players, a real innovator, with the juiciest , riche= st tone, so sensual and deep.=A0 =A0Bill= -- Petri Lahti= nen --90e6ba6151d2b811aa04b3d982b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 00:20:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EAD318345E; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=E9pGh61kzBCJ7AqlY/tWwH6OgavwYTcC8Lr74rTipew=; b=Oq4GldFrrHdRG1CKDHOfBe/oXz03B7SRk1E/gU1VngvhJZ6wWYXNpZxDVU+/LWYrvH UBwNhLEShFjVAur6rZGc+NdLLCq14jHRbeRoyR0Z2OLR0JLJkhT75bWev0VPuaMXI5fd aC/0z3rTTjtX4FBfGn++DM7oKP4r4vHiDN09U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 01:20:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <86GZYB.A.VFC.UjU5OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:20:36 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Grant wrote: > Do you usually specify how much to multiply by (vs just letting it continue to extend until the multiply function is deactivated)? I have discussed this with other looping musicians and there seems to be no approach that is more used than the other. Myself I do both, depending on the musical situation. When I do an Instant Multiply I first decide on how much longer I want to make the loop, and of course no additional layers are created as it is just an instant button press (same when doing an Instant Devide to shorten a loop in a blink). But when doing traditional Multiply I play along and add a new layer in real-time until I have played through what I feel would make a natural length for the new loop/part, then I kick Multiply to set the new loop point at the next upcoming quantization cusp. I remember back when Loop4 was released for the EDP, it added the option to press a number of times on the Multiply switch to decide in advance how long you want the real-time Multiply process to go on. I did not like that function, as I wanted to play along to get a feel of the musically fitting new loop length, and unfortunately I often happened to kick in this new command when I was going to use Multiply to cut down the length a long loop to just one cycle. I found no "undo" for that error and no way to disable this new feature either, you were just stuck there - can't say it was a favorite ;-)) A creative way to use Multiply, on loopers that support it, is to end Multiply with Record to cut down the loop's length to a value between the cycle quantize value. When looping with multi channel loopers I sometimes use this on one of many parallel loops and typically cut down one loop to a length that goes well poly rhythmically with the other loops - like for example if playing in 4/4 you cut down one parallel loop to 3 beats and let it play along with the other loops that spin on 4, 8 or 16 beats. Just a simple example, anything goes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 02:50:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4751183460; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 02:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE56BF4.6060502@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:50:28 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_uqRf.A.NrD.8vW5OB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 02:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > ...still don't really know what the LP2 can do and which of the amazing things > the LP1 does are incorporated in its little brother > two goodies in the LP-2 that are not currently in the LP-1 that I put into the feature set RANDOM RETRIGGER everytime you retrigger it goes to a random place in the loop. I put this in with the idea of relooping or resampling, so as to give someone the ability to play the retrigger pedal as an ostinato rhythm with the foot............an indulgent feature but some cool things can come from it. and 1/4 speed , Quadruple speed. (artifacty as hell, but in a very cool way) I love both of those. Here they are demonstrated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3T74R4m7jo&list=UU04qO6rN2FCTqc8oMGWVCcQ&feature=plcp This is the first time I ever had the unit to play with: Literally the first thing I played on it...... two unsynced solo electric guitar tracks, using a fretless pink stratocaster (with dayglo pink UV active strings) and a harmonic capo attached to it at the 12 fret.........instrument tuned to a 6 string scale (as opposed to standard or any kind of open tuning). I played it mostly as a zither with small amounts of fretless playing thrown in for good measure: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 03:28:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23A06183463; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 03:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=yjCNbHxrmQzWEKtqJlytHILz1cJRWhY7GSAonXwc1Z4=; b=a5Bc434AJgSU3iLgomrJHAWRacLeWBkz8776fE18WC5Hf94LYO8rEMay1CWENX1A36 2BhCXYSywMxPotEKlHnaqOXIGD1mEIv0SIoRGI2XlLWrPZnhQltgSK84PWmF3+n3MtRb YMLutrp+GH3rISnIXg6rKSSMZWsKbIJf+3aKI= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4EE56BF4.6060502@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:27:56 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <84B22208-6AEE-4439-AB63-3D3A2981D8C6@gmail.com> References: <4EE56BF4.6060502@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 03:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Can hear those footswitches flying ;) On Dec 11, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Michael Peters wrote: >> ...still don't really know what the LP2 can do and which of the = amazing things >> the LP1 does are incorporated in its little brother >>=20 > two goodies in the LP-2 that are not currently in the LP-1 that I put = into the feature set >=20 > RANDOM RETRIGGER > everytime you retrigger it goes to a random place in the loop. I put = this in with the idea of > relooping or resampling, so as to give someone the ability to play the = retrigger pedal > as an ostinato rhythm with the foot............an indulgent feature = but some cool things > can come from it. >=20 >=20 > and >=20 > 1/4 speed , Quadruple speed. (artifacty as hell, but in a very cool = way) >=20 > I love both of those. >=20 > Here they are demonstrated. >=20 > = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dd3T74R4m7jo&list=3DUU04qO6rN2FCTqc8oMGWVC= cQ&feature=3Dplcp >=20 > This is the first time I ever had the unit to play with: > Literally the first thing I played on it...... >=20 > two unsynced solo electric guitar tracks, > using a fretless pink stratocaster (with dayglo pink UV active = strings) and a harmonic > capo attached to it at the 12 fret.........instrument tuned to a 6 = string scale (as opposed > to standard or any kind of open tuning). >=20 > I played it mostly as a zither with small amounts of fretless playing = thrown in for good measure: >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 03:36:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED6D5183464; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 03:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TBK1YissQ2IZiwMGlX/ErxfIbC2IoMFSFtiXmbjSfs8=; b=DGExK3Bwlya8zt0Z/nS08wUvfBuEpwD/ePA9G/X5IhiiSDVIji+DipUIlesCwQO5yY IQuba6Jv6ltqEIheNTXiv09/Eh3CvPo5Zf4CZXkUau+uQiRDekKgx13NCks5LYcZG19w F2JwFY4GidkscfdMy3isg45iR3HtkfKpx/nAw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE56BF4.6060502@cruzio.com> References: <4EE56BF4.6060502@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:36:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f31209abd8404b3dcd743 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 03:36:38 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f31209abd8404b3dcd743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick digging the channel, some I have seen before some new. Jim On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Michael Peters wrote: > >> ...still don't really know what the LP2 can do and which of the amazing >> things >> the LP1 does are incorporated in its little brother >> >> two goodies in the LP-2 that are not currently in the LP-1 that I put > into the feature set > > RANDOM RETRIGGER > everytime you retrigger it goes to a random place in the loop. I put thi= s > in with the idea of > relooping or resampling, so as to give someone the ability to play the > retrigger pedal > as an ostinato rhythm with the foot............an indulgent feature but > some cool things > can come from it. > > > and > > 1/4 speed , Quadruple speed. (artifacty as hell, but in a very cool wa= y) > > I love both of those. > > Here they are demonstrated. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=3Dd3T74R4m7jo&list=3D** > UU04qO6rN2FCTqc8oMGWVCcQ&**feature=3Dplcp > > This is the first time I ever had the unit to play with: > Literally the first thing I played on it...... > > two unsynced solo electric guitar tracks, > using a fretless pink stratocaster (with dayglo pink UV active strings) > and a harmonic > capo attached to it at the 12 fret.........instrument tuned to a 6 string > scale (as opposed > to standard or any kind of open tuning). > > I played it mostly as a zither with small amounts of fretless playing > thrown in for good measure: > > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307f31209abd8404b3dcd743 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick digging the channel, some I have seen before some new. =A0Jim <= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.co= m> wrote: Michael Peters wrote: ...still don't really know what the LP2 can do and which of the amazing= things the LP1 does are incorporated in its little brother two goodies in the LP-2 that are not currently in the LP-1 that I put into = the feature set RANDOM RETRIGGER everytime you retrigger it goes to a random place in the loop. =A0I put thi= s in with the idea of relooping or resampling, so as to give someone the ability to play the retr= igger pedal as an ostinato rhythm with the foot............an indulgent feature but som= e cool things can come from it. and 1/4 speed , =A0Quadruple speed. =A0 (artifacty as hell, but in a very cool = way) I love both of those. Here they are demonstrated. http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3Dd3T74R4m7jo&list=3DUU04qO6rN2FCTqc8oMGWVCcQ&= amp;feature=3Dplcp This is the first time I ever had the unit to play with: Literally the first thing I played on it...... two unsynced solo electric guitar tracks, using a fretless pink stratocaster (with dayglo pink UV active strings) and= a harmonic capo attached to it at the 12 fret.........instrument tuned to a 6 string s= cale (as opposed to standard or any kind of open tuning). I played it mostly as a zither with small amounts of fretless playing throw= n in for good measure: -- --=A0Tips Across the Waters, a n= ew app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307f31209abd8404b3dcd743-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 07:11:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABBB18345E; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=sCjWQ1/7/b0n3qOw9nsthv6IuhnD/P6h68Ks4nw5qnQ=; b=TdRfIBfXxTJ8Ps90RpXSHjc/0xwboL/VNHPADTbeSGdBbUo4xkV9wmtxBle5SRr53I 8Rbh7OoIel+KeTE2h0Xd2SvYJS2bhY77SJVG9WfJ8nVYyjqygI6jBRrojvTvep5VRyXv VWlxKULlbvPY/YPh+Ziet8rnD3C41KPlFus6U= From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Computer Stands Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:11:43 -0800 Message-Id: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Those of you who perform with laptops as part of your setup... what = kinds of stands or other contraptions are you currently using to keep = the computer accessible?= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 07:30:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66BFB183463; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1323675035; bh=H5tsJ2NanycURy/h2R/BHSTN7QOGdXfk20WJ1V5HRCs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=GkSsMbggMJ35xNeShNsuKApIW1AYL4ajXl9lAKLjtr68bUDFbRYfWSBU6SyqzOAKvoGXmpQiwoc2P10rZTOGMIo4X5t3GeAlXNK+aBijtXuP8J1fa/UThI9xJ9ildGFrThKUvA1Bx2mmnZpVY001cScawbvElVFAKEvr5qjeShk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 674403.78946.bm@smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Q0hThUYVM1nwCTW2VzQIv1RtRHP9Dvc7YI5iP3sUxlYSGQw 5v2K6e8pbPv2d_O.ViYuGalxRtTbZTqE0W85rXiENzJdnFtJvZ9vpmhEY8.k WhojbJzgiHZfLCNnZzls4m7Gl5NvllEEmjCcf5AzQIfIr6h64xvsQrhZzWlw p4MCK3tsQkzFO.EuxxF_7fQc2uvQeCg.iKImt688jQcvU.d5tMjD4cJ2c7Ok xgTHLOxCWFL1U.XNBisc_zbC0qJhS2_bV72ZJqlQ6EWZILfRJztv8sb9k1Ri z5hzH0MshmD3LEOUEys3J1hHiHkScclEZDoWvCYKr8f1NH_XHWrQWyuemwvn IBgvRB.t.bRT1z.4jkKKiXj4aiWR_ovWho5m3_r8u2wWQ_w-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Subject: Re: Computer Stands From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:30:32 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9274C2FE-49DE-40BD-B9FF-B2A72004B5B4@att.net> References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:30:37 +0000 (UTC) You can try a music stand. The inflexible tray, collapsible legs... On Dec 11, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Those of you who perform with laptops as part of your setup... what = kinds of stands or other contraptions are you currently using to keep = the computer accessible? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 07:38:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAABE183462; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4EE5AF6C.006B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8ARx1rVcgMzB/Jm1RdIRdLvpAB8zHTc/3XkpMh8WD7Q= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=TqGEbQirJDuRnaiCC7sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> <9274C2FE-49DE-40BD-B9FF-B2A72004B5B4@att.net> Subject: RE: Computer Stands Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:38:08 -0800 Message-ID: <29C665CDE1324E159C7456830264E2C6@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acy4n/LRfVhaVIr8SPKlZW6gs39svQAAPaSA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: <9274C2FE-49DE-40BD-B9FF-B2A72004B5B4@att.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:38:21 +0000 (UTC) That's what I use . . . I don't know if it is stable enough, I try to keep an eye on it . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Amat [mailto:voicesound@att.net] Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computer Stands You can try a music stand. The inflexible tray, collapsible legs... On Dec 11, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Those of you who perform with laptops as part of your setup... what kinds of stands or other contraptions are you currently using to keep the computer accessible? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 11:23:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD19518345E; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 708430287/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.24/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.24 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAIHj5U5YbR4Y/2dsb2JhbAAMN61yAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBvD2IU4MaBJoojHA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,337,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="708430287" Message-ID: <4EE5E438.9000106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:23:36 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computer Stands References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > Those of you who perform with laptops If I did I would look into Projector Stands. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 11:34:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 844FB18345D; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 701621452/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.24/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.24 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAPjl5U5YbR4Y/2dsb2JhbAAMN61yAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgECKdfjFaIU4MaBJoojHA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,337,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="701621452" Message-ID: <4EE5E6E5.6010509@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:35:01 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed References: <4EE56BF4.6060502@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE56BF4.6060502@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3ZVxdD.A.bkC.ebe5OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > RANDOM RETRIGGER > everytime you retrigger it goes to a random place in the loop. I put > this in with the idea of > relooping or resampling, so as to give someone the ability to play the > retrigger pedal > as an ostinato rhythm with the foot............an indulgent feature but > some cool things > can come from it. I couldn't hear the effect *exactly* as described here in the demo. Is it more accurately "jump to Random position and keep re-triggering to it while button is held down"? There's certainly some stuff in there which sounds like EDP stutter mode. I'm hearing iterated rapid repeats. > Here they are demonstrated. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3T74R4m7jo&list=UU04qO6rN2FCTqc8oMGWVCcQ&feature=plcp > hint... Would be nice to have a demo that wasn't a layered up studio track, that would make it easier to to grasp what's going on with the new features. Isn't there a nice demo of 1/2 1/4 speed on you tube somewhere that really shows how that can be used. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 11:50:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FB2A183454; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4EE5EA6B.0037,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=457y4IXgkPg9sNWMz/ExzYRHvCCDEIe40hmIg5h2CZg= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=OR2nayhiAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=AdRByh1k6Ajq3_RafA8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=C6pMq810QaIA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> <4EE5E438.9000106@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: Computer Stands Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 03:49:51 -0800 Message-ID: <7B0E11CD4D7C42DD839BEA2369411E3F@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acy4wIHu3Bzxr6KdRrCMRQplse1wHwAA2jTg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: <4EE5E438.9000106@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <7kVU_C.A.JzC.spe5OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Just did a search online of options . . . I have used the TableTote and now need a new one--it is less stable than the music stand I currently use, that does not have collapsible legs. I wonder if the new version with longer legs would be useful to me-- http://www.pctabletote.com/our-tables.html Gary -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computer Stands Phil Clevenger wrote: > Those of you who perform with laptops If I did I would look into Projector Stands. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 11:59:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9893018345F; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.4EE5ECB8.00CB,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=457y4IXgkPg9sNWMz/ExzYRHvCCDEIe40hmIg5h2CZg= c=1 sm=1 a=WTqQGpiETZsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=OR2nayhiAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=Qin_T02WJeyMftXju28A:9 a=TEovb3i7h8kkUtl9SSAA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=C6pMq810QaIA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=ksuBjqF5GdrbFuFh:21 a=VbeCi6teAgp-UVAT:21 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> <4EE5E438.9000106@tiscali.co.uk> <7B0E11CD4D7C42DD839BEA2369411E3F@your0548c161e1> Subject: TableTote (was Computer Stands) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 03:59:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acy4wIHu3Bzxr6KdRrCMRQplse1wHwAA2jTgAABNaWA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: <7B0E11CD4D7C42DD839BEA2369411E3F@your0548c161e1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Just ordered the standing height model, free shipping, so $50 delivered. They say that the maximum height of 39 inches is not recommended--how is it they put it-- "The longer legs allow for height up to 39 inches vs the regular TABLETOTE height of 29 inches. It's recommended, for maximum stability, the unit not be used at maximum height of 39 inches." So I would use it at my own risk. I live for danger . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Stands Just did a search online of options . . . I have used the TableTote and now need a new one--it is less stable than the music stand I currently use, that does not have collapsible legs. I wonder if the new version with longer legs would be useful to me-- http://www.pctabletote.com/our-tables.html Gary -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computer Stands Phil Clevenger wrote: > Those of you who perform with laptops If I did I would look into Projector Stands. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:09:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D3118345E; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Computer Stands Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:09:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acy4xZfcrklYIEkKSge610BZVVc4DgAAM+cA In-Reply-To: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:09:58 +0000 (UTC) I use a laptop but need additional space for nanokontrols and stuff. I usually use a simple keyboard stand and put my black rectangular guitar case on it as a table. If I need even more space, I take a wooden board that I found in my basement that is somewhat larger than the guitar case. Yes, it can be kicked over easily but the last times I used it I sat down and it didn't feel too dangerous :) This video is a bit dark but you can just about see it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2scew9Pnw18 -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:11:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D231C18345D; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=a/9EcsFb55KbiJBl5CQXFw+YDAwqaMf8ITIk26LWQvo=; b=aZyxW+QXqhO85YMbYXSlWgd99gietkX6Pg2bvbR2fLMwZtFF8yQUvNGGCysgOtqgLT 6fXiBMULuxx25rXXNoO5yvTBsLSEsMfwPR/LqSDT1jDT5Y3fbbsAhS3IKzOf5YFsUkW0 t4Uc5eezd+fvI6jHuB4vuVyfbP5NGwG8PNLiI= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1293848422 Message-ID:<1293848422-1323691877-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-964889585-@b27.c11.bise6.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: hartfx@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: hartfx@gmail.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:11:16 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <0bHIZD.A.URD.q9e5OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:11:22 +0000 (UTC) SXMgdGhlIExQMiBmcmllbmRseSBmb3IgcHVyY2hhc2U/IE5vIGVhcmx5LWFkb3B0ZXIgcXVhbG1z Pw0KLS0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogYW5keSBidXRsZXINClRvOiBM b29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQ0KUmVwbHlUbzogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxp Z2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBMUDIgUmFuZG9tIFJldHJpZ2dl ciAgLSAgUXVhcnRlci9RdWFkcnVwbGUgU3BlZWQNClNlbnQ6IERlYyAxMiwgMjAxMSA2OjM1IEFN DQoNCg0KDQpSaWNrIFdhbGtlciB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBSQU5ET00gUkVUUklHR0VSDQo+IGV2ZXJ5 dGltZSB5b3UgcmV0cmlnZ2VyIGl0IGdvZXMgdG8gYSByYW5kb20gcGxhY2UgaW4gdGhlIGxvb3Au ICBJIHB1dCANCj4gdGhpcyBpbiB3aXRoIHRoZSBpZGVhIG9mDQo+IHJlbG9vcGluZyBvciByZXNh bXBsaW5nLCBzbyBhcyB0byBnaXZlIHNvbWVvbmUgdGhlIGFiaWxpdHkgdG8gcGxheSB0aGUgDQo+ IHJldHJpZ2dlciBwZWRhbA0KPiBhcyBhbiBvc3RpbmF0byByaHl0aG0gd2l0aCB0aGUgZm9vdC4u Li4uLi4uLi4uLmFuIGluZHVsZ2VudCBmZWF0dXJlIGJ1dCANCj4gc29tZSBjb29sIHRoaW5ncw0K PiBjYW4gY29tZSBmcm9tIGl0Lg0KDQpJIGNvdWxkbid0IGhlYXIgdGhlIGVmZmVjdCAqZXhhY3Rs eSogYXMgZGVzY3JpYmVkIGhlcmUgaW4gdGhlIA0KZGVtby4NCklzIGl0IG1vcmUgYWNjdXJhdGVs eSAianVtcCB0byBSYW5kb20gcG9zaXRpb24gYW5kIGtlZXAgcmUtdHJpZ2dlcmluZyB0byBpdCAg d2hpbGUgYnV0dG9uDQogaXMgaGVsZCBkb3duIj8NCg0KDQpUaGVyZSdzIGNlcnRhaW5seSBzb21l IHN0dWZmIGluIHRoZXJlIHdoaWNoIHNvdW5kcyBsaWtlIEVEUCBzdHV0dGVyIG1vZGUuDQpJJ20g aGVhcmluZyBpdGVyYXRlZCByYXBpZCByZXBlYXRzLg0KDQoNCj4gSGVyZSB0aGV5IGFyZSBkZW1v bnN0cmF0ZWQuDQo+IA0KPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9ZDNUNzRSNG03 am8mbGlzdD1VVTA0cU82ck4yRkNUcWM4b01HV1ZDY1EmZmVhdHVyZT1wbGNwIA0KPiANCg0KaGlu dC4uLg0KV291bGQgYmUgbmljZSB0byBoYXZlIGEgZGVtbyB0aGF0IHdhc24ndCBhIGxheWVyZWQg dXAgc3R1ZGlvIHRyYWNrLA0KdGhhdCB3b3VsZCBtYWtlIGl0IGVhc2llciB0byB0byBncmFzcCB3 aGF0J3MgZ29pbmcgb24gd2l0aCB0aGUgbmV3IGZlYXR1cmVzLg0KDQpJc24ndCB0aGVyZSBhIG5p Y2UgZGVtbyBvZiAxLzIgMS80IHNwZWVkIG9uIHlvdSB0dWJlIHNvbWV3aGVyZSB0aGF0DQpyZWFs bHkgc2hvd3MgaG93IHRoYXQgY2FuIGJlIHVzZWQuDQoNCg0KDQphbmR5DQoNCg0KDQpTZW50IGZy b20gbXkgVmVyaXpvbiBXaXJlbGVzcyBCbGFja0JlcnJ5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:11:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505DC18345C; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Ds6rSfo3YBFIFkG5wo7kK4c5eqm0qX8zY8Ap/AtXGWU=; b=CBCHh4u9j4JOK2Ky/49xPcbg+f4kL2K3SCXhRqXlbYFniB6+ZUkoTGDh9JdHQY/25P LAVRms9qLZkTILcRn9uoo3VyH/3dG6g/32OfRdM5l6UUYslTV/Hi4DxPdRGYLFNi/Z6d 24Z8kmqVbR6572Rw7IfHRQKfhrBEDigxrSuyg= Subject: Re: Computer Stands References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> Message-Id: <20160A90-2B7E-4A62-ADA4-FEB1DD33AE7C@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:11:52 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:11:55 +0000 (UTC) I've used this one for years. It has never broken, and it is light as a feat= her. It's a fantastic solution. At first it 'seemed' expensive for what it w= as. Until I started using it.=20 http://instand.com Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2011, at 2:11 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote= : > Those of you who perform with laptops as part of your setup... what kinds o= f stands or other contraptions are you currently using to keep the computer a= ccessible? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:14:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400CC18345F; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=0260c7UtLdh8ZVjXAGtF1wfV8sgmaO3TDbAnxk68r18=; b=twQyMiSfWqPrXsuPculABzF+XVT6f7XuefNdAlZJA42GvB/x/tPKbb1hW/FmX066Zk JZIT/ohUgfEmKhFxwYz7XN1JqiTRaTG+RiMQSbCZliqJgNETMKZXUx2HVHQYGxjQZcns /KAOzj7MRR2iOEtRBzgHDZGMsVRszsOiw//WE= Subject: Re: Computer Stands References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <71DF24CA-E50B-4C08-9FF6-9A955396EC91@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:14:27 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:14:32 +0000 (UTC) I also buy FireWire cables from Mono price.com. I bought a 6 foot, and a 15 f= oot so that I can have my rack as far away as I need it. I also buy my cable= s my FireWire cables USB cables from Monoprice.com. The 6 foot was seven dol= lars, and the 15 foot, was $10. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2011, at 7:09 AM, "Michael Peters" wrote: > I use a laptop but need additional space for nanokontrols and stuff. I > usually use a simple keyboard stand and put my black rectangular guitar ca= se > on it as a table. If I need even more space, I take a wooden board that I > found in my basement that is somewhat larger than the guitar case. Yes, it= > can be kicked over easily but the last times I used it I sat down and it > didn't feel too dangerous :) This video is a bit dark but you can just > about see it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2scew9Pnw18 >=20 > -Michael >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:20:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0035718345F; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_70EB37A0-9977-4557-A71E-73E73ED888F8" Subject: Re: Computer Stands Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:20:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <71DF24CA-E50B-4C08-9FF6-9A955396EC91@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> <71DF24CA-E50B-4C08-9FF6-9A955396EC91@gmail.com> Message-Id: <16E7F617-6039-454B-ACC4-EF956E4D7F64@reyn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:20:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_70EB37A0-9977-4557-A71E-73E73ED888F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I made one myself.. I used a music stand. I got rid of the face (but = kept the connection to the stand itself).. bought a piece of wood, cut = it the size of exactly my MacBook, painted it black and hooked it up to = the connection that fits on the stand et voila. Looks awesome! Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > I also buy FireWire cables from Mono price.com. I bought a 6 foot, and = a 15 foot so that I can have my rack as far away as I need it. I also = buy my cables my FireWire cables USB cables from Monoprice.com. The 6 = foot was seven dollars, and the 15 foot, was $10. >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Dec 12, 2011, at 7:09 AM, "Michael Peters" wrote: >=20 >> I use a laptop but need additional space for nanokontrols and stuff. = I >> usually use a simple keyboard stand and put my black rectangular = guitar case >> on it as a table. If I need even more space, I take a wooden board = that I >> found in my basement that is somewhat larger than the guitar case. = Yes, it >> can be kicked over easily but the last times I used it I sat down and = it >> didn't feel too dangerous :) This video is a bit dark but you can = just >> about see it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2scew9Pnw18 >>=20 >> -Michael >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_70EB37A0-9977-4557-A71E-73E73ED888F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = made one myself.. I used a music stand. I got rid of the face (but kept = the connection to the stand itself).. bought a piece of wood, cut it the = size of exactly my MacBook, painted it black and hooked it up to the = connection that fits on the stand et voila. Looks = awesome! Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: I = also buy FireWire cables from Mono price.com. I bought a 6 foot, and a 15 = foot so that I can have my rack as far away as I need it. I also buy my = cables my FireWire cables USB cables from Monoprice.com. The 6 foot was seven = dollars, and the 15 foot, was $10. Sent from my iPhone On = Dec 12, 2011, at 7:09 AM, "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de> = wrote: I use a laptop but need = additional space for nanokontrols and stuff. = I usually use a simple = keyboard stand and put my black rectangular guitar = case on it as a table. If I = need even more space, I take a wooden board that = I found in my basement that is = somewhat larger than the guitar case. Yes, = it can be kicked over easily = but the last times I used it I sat down and = it didn't feel too dangerous = :) This video is a bit dark but you can = just about see it: www.youtube.com/watc= h?v=3D2scew9Pnw18 -Michael = --Apple-Mail=_70EB37A0-9977-4557-A71E-73E73ED888F8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:22:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFA93183460; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Computer Stands From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: <20160A90-2B7E-4A62-ADA4-FEB1DD33AE7C@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:22:44 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> <20160A90-2B7E-4A62-ADA4-FEB1DD33AE7C@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: - X-Ziggo-spamscore: -1.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_20=-0.001 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Example: = http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384690_257616077626070_1000= 01330400606_659968_319275606_n.jpg Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > I've used this one for years. It has never broken, and it is light as = a feather. It's a fantastic solution. At first it 'seemed' expensive for = what it was. Until I started using it.=20 >=20 > http://instand.com >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Dec 12, 2011, at 2:11 AM, Phil Clevenger = wrote: >=20 >> Those of you who perform with laptops as part of your setup... what = kinds of stands or other contraptions are you currently using to keep = the computer accessible? >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:25:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 534B618345C; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dcfgY5wyTyHpyu/rmSU3gHeiI3eWah9r/sg7g29Vjw8=; b=oHs1dsbTypGnXEQoVpkZdNPR/uvL/RBDx6PPum9DCZvS2OOKeAckF60Uxo9CRwaz9k dKITALwuXbypCjNSIpTXDMcG6qrFTR2zfa3lU2+VZ89GkVamfaKgCypS6OmDRog9K16A Dom87fw1yp83PXyAHerddJUEzHLwmxOqWONPU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:25:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Computer Stands From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:25:06 +0000 (UTC) I access my computer by two MIDI control surfaces. One is the foot pedalboard Gordius Little Giant and the other is the two-cig-pack-sized Faderfox LV3. For the LV3 I borrow a small table, a high bar chair or two stacked (empty) beer boxes. The laptop itself can be stuffed away anywhere, I have set up the system for not needing to see the screen all the time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Those of you who perform with laptops as part of your setup... what kinds of stands or other contraptions are you currently using to keep the computer accessible? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:36:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56886183473; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=nU4VaNs3Xspv3KNyeCQ9Kk8hqLPW4NsRsbq5ngs2egc=; b=FI/yDKifxP4FXlfl0XJe5DW4RaibBnAYE0ntjuAZutuhf3zfgG2W4VHx/OwqzdEn0I 4zDT2JDP1hrGqlnKLooRi2FeDhweHZ1DU+/oVpwQk5HBVSxD+uN3Xldz2Te/8bjxzE88 CuPMn4Pnuyp3C2MogCKmx8YWj7uAsKpwNkvYI= Subject: Re: Computer Stands References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> <71DF24CA-E50B-4C08-9FF6-9A955396EC91@gmail.com> <16E7F617-6039-454B-ACC4-EF956E4D7F64@reyn.net> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3820B15E-8E5E-44B7-A9F9-D16C7C96617B X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <16E7F617-6039-454B-ACC4-EF956E4D7F64@reyn.net> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:36:46 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:36:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3820B15E-8E5E-44B7-A9F9-D16C7C96617B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You're right. It DOES look awesome.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote:= > I made one myself.. I used a music stand. I got rid of the face (but kept t= he connection to the stand itself).. bought a piece of wood, cut it the size= of exactly my MacBook, painted it black and hooked it up to the connection t= hat fits on the stand et voila. Looks awesome! >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Reyn >=20 > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com >=20 > On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: >=20 >> I also buy FireWire cables from Mono price.com. I bought a 6 foot, and a 1= 5 foot so that I can have my rack as far away as I need it. I also buy my ca= bles my FireWire cables USB cables from Monoprice.com. The 6 foot was seven d= ollars, and the 15 foot, was $10. >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Dec 12, 2011, at 7:09 AM, "Michael Peters" wrote: >>=20 >>> I use a laptop but need additional space for nanokontrols and stuff. I >>> usually use a simple keyboard stand and put my black rectangular guitar c= ase >>> on it as a table. If I need even more space, I take a wooden board that I= >>> found in my basement that is somewhat larger than the guitar case. Yes, i= t >>> can be kicked over easily but the last times I used it I sat down and it= >>> didn't feel too dangerous :) This video is a bit dark but you can just >>> about see it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2scew9Pnw18 >>>=20 >>> -Michael >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3820B15E-8E5E-44B7-A9F9-D16C7C96617B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 You're right. It DOE= S look awesome. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 20= 11, at 7:20 AM, Reyn Ouwehand <loopers-delight@reyn.net> wrote: I made one myself.. I used a music stand. I got rid of t= he face (but kept the connection to the stand itself).. bought a piece of wo= od, cut it the size of exactly my MacBook, painted it black and hooked it up= to the connection that fits on the stand et voila. Looks awesome! <= /div> C= heers, Reyn www.reyn.netwww.studiothechurch.com On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: I also buy Fi= reWire cables from Mono price.com. I bought= a 6 foot, and a 15 foot so that I can have my rack as far away as I need it= . I also buy my cables my FireWire cables USB cables from Monoprice.com. The 6 foot was seven dollars, and the 15 f= oot, was $10. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2011, at 7:09 AM,= "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de>= wrote: I use a laptop but need additional s= pace for nanokontrols and stuff. I usually use a simple keyboard stand and put my black rectangular guitar cas= e on it as a table. If I need even= more space, I take a wooden board that I found in my basement that is somewhat larger than the guitar case. Ye= s, it can be kicked over easily bu= t the last times I used it I sat down and it didn't feel too dangerous :) This video is a bit dark but y= ou can just about see it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2sc= ew9Pnw18 -Michael = --Apple-Mail-3820B15E-8E5E-44B7-A9F9-D16C7C96617B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:37:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F26218348A; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ll7sYWb99vSknM/j9TbWYW8TPW78Mq0jnndJJ3sp83c=; b=OpekfMBEAHprnpSzBsfh4/FdTHLv4J1tjAwoYBXT2tg4eK8CRbs01zRJbGmwtXdq1s RG8t14FZfOYH6OioS3GFcsrxEmr9zCCQdFT6R49ELcy/VqTxjsvwcSJXPuI8ijD1+f9F lIMO4g4zswpsIMUkDhaRj7SATZa+7IXl1oPWE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE56BF4.6060502@cruzio.com> References: <4EE56BF4.6060502@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:37:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <7bvxI.A.-KE.aWf5OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:37:46 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:50 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > 1/4 speed , =C2=A0Quadruple speed. What would that speed shift mean in tonal interval, a two octaves up shift? And I guess you can start looping in Quadruple mode and then take it down to Normal to achieve doom-grunt-noise sound to your loop? > (artifacty as hell, but in a very cool way) I'm kind of used to "the chipmunk sound" and like it for what it is. That video piece is nice, Rick! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:52:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CA9718349B; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:52:20 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20111212125220.159730@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Computer Stands To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19wDSJusydw6SSta6XnsB/bjLmETjv7PYp6pOsIIS XNzUcF9y3APze3YBYoHeW2L1P5NfrGNK/xMQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: U5yXbgFfeSEqa8h4kHUhFpp+IGRvbwDo Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks > For the LV3 I borrow a small table, a > high bar chair or two stacked (empty) beer boxes. The laptop itself > can be stuffed away anywhere, I have set up the system for not needing > to see the screen all the time. I do a very similar thing: - Stanton Uberstand - Laptop bottom - Audio Interface on top - Faderfox LV3 on top of the interface - Everything on a chair, table, stacked boxes etc. best regards Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 12:55:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BD17183462; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:55:15 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/mIrw6uWrmPl3x5aupR7Wjym66+o6Nap2ZeXl8t7 DPf8OWnUWik9gOJog04zSWXqRXJeVhC6hcRQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 5JyXboQ0eSEqa8h4kHUh+Jl+IGRvb8CK Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:55:17 +0000 (UTC) The best "anti-Multiply" example I know is: Ableton Live clips/scenes. When you have a bunch of parallel loops, all synced to each other, you hardly ever miss Multiply (except unrounded Multiply). Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 13:10:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A3D418345C; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=E57PNO6JXygodC81Yf7iDiV/Tsh2FIt7G7StR7pkiFg=; b=QENDeKRtsqhLj2bSczivWGG5IZoJcemWyY1KL6ZG8jJvCHc2TEoCwVUtNb8orgjMwN ju8GqUWtGYNLVtuPJWD+HZpeARgez7iqEcDm3FouJucXxY/FTsVf5c/yCcGGNByyUQku MXh/z8aB8u4b/7jid7rk+AC1WvRPW400xblPE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111212125220.159730@gmx.net> References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> <20111212125220.159730@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:10:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Computer Stands From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:10:53 +0000 (UTC) I've been looking at something along these lines: http://store.bilila.com/lastwist.html Sylvain On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > >> For the LV3 I borrow a small table, a >> high bar chair or two stacked (empty) beer boxes. The laptop itself >> can be stuffed away anywhere, I have set up the system for not needing >> to see the screen all the time. > > I do a very similar thing: > - Stanton Uberstand > - Laptop bottom > - Audio Interface on top > - Faderfox LV3 on top of the interface > - Everything on a chair, table, stacked boxes etc. > > best regards > Buzap > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 13:53:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71060183460; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=e/o1n2MaEbkY0t/oN3Bu51h9ul9dOkVuev0PvKjaK8g=; b=W3kgk+xaowu+r7psK3H/j3TaMW8sGTCMIWpXdtMlWOOp1s7jH0bAfGdQY6pvfYM2h4 O0b3Y9qdSr+VOCE9iw0YtfSWYSPqOPKggox9xAD0sHuUeJxQQaqgD71o+ZtOIvjE9712 M9bDQHccFtvRLzDRPRlyLkzoHuaaeEm1aegoY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> <20111212125220.159730@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:53:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Computer Stands From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:53:48 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > I've been looking at something along these lines: > http://store.bilila.com/lastwist.html I borrowed something like that a the Rome Looping Festival three years ago. Quite neat stand, you can see it on this short video clip: http://www.youtube.com/user/perboysen#p/u/12/bx-5xrQnC4M Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 14:08:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 502F118345E; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kA0K5jnElf+ez7xb457dLmgElL2a1OBfp1yGc+1ERdQ=; b=Es84DhDzfJQ+7dRFlAkftRgrl0rCD4RJTSEYtAcbWV1vp6Ky5oGJZAmT5hVhLoGjid j9Q3I+SaWuhih9ZeVO8qj/xID2r7uQLa6yOE2Tdx9L77mi0/yV1s2ZsGNCP8FRlD0QIM 3RDbR9FM6iAO7ISECsTHtpDzuRhO9ObxN+JUA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:08:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:08:47 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > The best "anti-Multiply" example I know is: Ableton Live clips/scenes. > When you have a bunch of parallel loops, all synced to each other, you hardly ever miss Multiply (except unrounded Multiply). Do you mean that you can achieve the same by adding another parallel loop clip that you make longer? That's correct, you can even revers all looping clips on a scene just as handy as if they were layers of the same (multiplied) loop. But I still stick with Mobius in Live rather than recording clips. But I guess I would think different if doing pre composed material like for example Kid Beyond (die-hard Live user). A personal take: I just love the open feeling of playing free improvisation with live looping techniques and I think that this future-wide-open attitude rubs off emotionally on the audience in a positive way. Can't explain how it works, but I really have a strong feeling of that happening. I get the same feeling when listening to recordings of the sixties' "spiritual free jazz" artists (Sanders, Coltrane, Dolphy and more). It's "something collective" that "opens up" and it doesn't happen if arrangements are too rigid or clips can't be mangled on-the-fly. The Gospel of Looping? LOL ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 14:38:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF63D18345C; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=xa2q7iIQL47fS4ULTwAzOGpE+OwpdimHJgaEUTOkfNQ=; b=Qm5Z+xw3eu8UjcECKOpkw3KeUGnPiw8Wh9aE/F+sCUilneot16f9NA892swi9Kw7cr tDTd9DpSS68RloVcICBJ4auKN3tifwSUJNj12q5WGKEve8gYO57Sf/f1NR1EkNE85nkY iP+f4AW85VCtUJSwwigSMxKD/u6SC904ql7qU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:37:47 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3xbaaTOpAvmPiQY6r4vtLsmQktI Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5c2b74ef68c04b3e61508 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:38:10 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5c2b74ef68c04b3e61508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im with you there Per, and in a way the 2 (or is it 3 ) approaches to using multiply kinda stand for the different approaches in Live Looping. I very rarely use the type of Multiply where on Mobius or Repeater you just select 2X or 4X looping (on EDP the multi-increase method works almost the same, I never have the problems Per outlined earlier, when I want "instant mult" I just double click the mult pedal). ..no I almost always prefer the typ of multiply that EDP os more know for,(also available on Mobius) which just multiply as you play, and then when you hit the second time it closes. IN FACT. I NEVER use Over dub, prefering to do a multiply EVERY TIME; somtimes I end up only repeating the same length, (an overdub). but if I feel like going on longer I can! The fluidity of playing that this allows really encourages the feeling that the looper really is part of the instrument, as oppsed to being a kind of recording process, like a "drop-in".. "Gotta get my part done before the PUT POINT." The Jazz greats you mention Per, mean nothing to me, but I hear the same in my heros, of the long form improv of the 70s Germans, Can being my faves... Lets hear it for Multiply! The root of the loop! m > A personal take: > I just love the open feeling of playing free improvisation with live > looping techniques and I think that this future-wide-open attitude > rubs off emotionally on the audience in a positive way. Can't explain > how it works, but I really have a strong feeling of that happening. I > get the same feeling when listening to recordings of the sixties' > "spiritual free jazz" artists (Sanders, Coltrane, Dolphy and more). > It's "something collective" that "opens up" and it doesn't happen if > arrangements are too rigid or clips can't be mangled on-the-fly. The > Gospel of Looping? LOL ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --001636c5c2b74ef68c04b3e61508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im with you there Per, and in a way the 2 (or is it 3 ) approaches to using= multiply kinda stand for the different approaches in Live Looping. I ve= ry rarely use the type of Multiply where on Mobius or Repeater you just sel= ect 2X or 4X looping (on EDP the multi-increase method works almost the sam= e, I never have the problems Per outlined earlier, when I want "instan= t mult" I just double click the mult pedal). ..no I almost always prefer the typ of multiply that EDP os more know f= or,(also available on Mobius)=A0 which just multiply as you play, and then = when you hit the second time it closes. IN FACT. I NEVER use Over dub, pref= ering to do a multiply EVERY TIME; somtimes I end up only repeating the sam= e length, (an overdub). but if I feel like going on longer I can! The fluidity of playing that this allows really encourages the feeling that= the looper really is part of the instrument, as oppsed to being a kind of = recording process, like a "drop-in".. "Gotta get my part don= e before the PUT POINT." The Jazz greats you mention Per, mean nothing to me, but I hear the sam= e in my heros, of the long form improv of the 70s Germans, Can being my fav= es... Lets hear it for Multiply! The root of the loop! m A personal take: I just love the open feeling of playing free improvisation with live looping techniques and I think that this future-wide-open attitude rubs off emotionally on the audience in a positive way. Can't explain how it works, but I really have a strong feeling of that happening. I get the same feeling when listening to recordings of the sixties' "spiritual free jazz" artists (Sanders, Coltrane, Dolphy and more= ). It's "something collective" that "opens up" and it = doesn't happen if arrangements are too rigid or clips can't be mangled on-the-fly. The Gospel of Looping? LOL ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen -- = Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --001636c5c2b74ef68c04b3e61508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 14:40:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB50D183461; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4EE61273.0262,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=fhT/UpLGCVErenvyo3Rrz4zdN09biEzbpvwa6pSN/4U= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=7xh3d5YHAAAA:8 a=DPVomedMGubr5LfA7e0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: LP2 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 06:40:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acy43ARu5qSanOUQRUS6DWlLuBnPAg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:40:53 +0000 (UTC) This seems to be the week that the LP2 is shipping . . . http://looperlative.posterous.com/first-10-lp2s-are-assembled-and-tested Santa Bob is coming to town . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 14:42:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C265C183451; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=wUzNx3QzSYLy2RLcyKLEeBCXajqvI0MAsB7AyxF7B9k=; b=cuv/rLdV82oREo/rzPqGv8Ar3egNVmoi580MWi3q+PSFHsABc+buS4DyS1po1Xh0eo qcGuklvh8GfSu71HreWAdIpSZvMtVscSe+w8D7kfy4GJUE33roZT5f0BXhQ+uXcBLrlA lMOhrqRctw3F+qNvBNGFEyVld7cyO8+03V9wY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:41:44 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: xKtX5m-aLljppBauIqqQEF9AksU Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303a31b16e85a104b3e62370 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:42:07 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303a31b16e85a104b3e62370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jeez I should really check my spolling b4 I post.. sorry... CORRECTION FOLLOWS > Im with you there Per, and in a way, the 2 (or is it 3? ) approaches to > using multiply kinda stand for the different approaches in Live Looping. > I very rarely use the type of Multiply on Mobius or Repeater which > instantly gives 2X or 4X the loop (on EDP the multi-increase method works > almost the same, I never have the problems Per outlined earlier, when I > want "instant mult" I just double click the mult pedal). > > ..No.. I almost always prefer the type of multiply that EDP is more known > for, (also available on Mobius) which just multiplies as you play, and > then when you hit the second time it closes. INFACT. I NEVER use overdub, > preferring to do a multiply EVERY TIME; sometimes I end up only repeating > the same length, (an overdub). but if I feel like going on longer I can! > > The fluidity of playing that this allows really encourages the feeling > that the looper really is part of the instrument, as oppsed to being a kind > of recording process, like a "drop-in".. > > "Gotta get my part done before the OUT POINT." > > The Jazz greats you mention Per, mean nothing to me, but I hear the same > in my heros, of the long form improv of the 70s Germans, Can being my > faves... > > Lets hear it for Multiply! The root of the loop! > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303a31b16e85a104b3e62370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeez I should really check my spolling b4 I post.. sorry... CORRECTION FOLLOWS Im with you there Per, and in a way, the 2 (or is it 3? ) approaches to usi= ng multiply kinda stand for the different approaches in Live Looping. I = very rarely use the type of Multiply on Mobius or Repeater which instantly = gives=A0 2X or 4X the loop (on EDP the multi-increase method works almost t= he same, I never have the problems Per outlined earlier, when I want "= instant mult" I just double click the mult pedal). ..No.. I almost always prefer the type of multiply that EDP is more kno= wn for, (also available on Mobius)=A0 which just multiplies as you play, an= d then when you hit the second time it closes. INFACT. I NEVER use overdub,= preferring to do a multiply EVERY TIME; sometimes I end up only repeating = the same length, (an overdub). but if I feel like going on longer I can! =A0 The fluidity of playing that this allows really encourages the feeling that= the looper really is part of the instrument, as oppsed to being a kind of = recording process, like a "drop-in".. =A0 "Gotta get my part done before the OUT POINT." The Jazz greats you mention Per, mean nothing to me, but I hear the sam= e in my heros, of the long form improv of the 70s Germans, Can being my fav= es... Lets hear it for Multiply! The root of the loop! -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --20cf303a31b16e85a104b3e62370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 14:53:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 973B8183462; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=q0jjKs+SDF9M8QSVabNgmS+iAF5QPaY0TnbtbADAkBU=; b=idS+rDOnMhAxECOPf0rs+plSwVu2wrXP0nhYWacPmvbauWRT2L+nnly4/mtDwFErOJ CcshkMDVHPlJvEkpDe9jnOqGR/YKI/OpGfZk8Rurou9EPWu/4Oj+5LiiJ/9GiTQNmxlq WXiipHcrjKhGO2pC2S7Sf9J5+d6lxZhUKB/Ms= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:53:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:53:27 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:37 PM, mark francombe wrote: > 2X or 4X looping Hey - the cool one is 3X and 3/. That's the trick make a short "hi hat" loop not crash into boring-land too soon. I only use Instant Multiply when aiming at such poly rhythm effect in parallel loops, otherwise I'm like Mark sticking with the linear Multiply where you play along in the flow. One useful script I made for Mobius goes "reverse and overdub on next cycle cusp". Most times I hit that pedal I follow it up with a traditional (linear, EDP-style) Multiply in the lame-duck-period (from the moment command is given until it is executed on the quantize point). This makes the looper start multiplying in reverse mode. To finish this action I hit the "reverse and overdub on next cycle cusp" pedal a second time. Lovely gospel, Mark! :-) Yes the Kraut Crowd also "had it" IMHO. Same vibe. Pierz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 16:29:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45B2F18345C; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/5TnHsQunOfX04fiyGkzH1Cz1nNLwbkIzB/dNUj/jqY=; b=CXWQj09n8qX3X1/a/+j2CqLoi/AMSJWN/U/Nu1Q6GdxvN6tdxxI6ExA6YH5d4q/Edt o24i6Z99/M7LuUkt1xdHJHyZsJNlgLln6nFUoRX4hq7s6nsn8NE7ZmL8p+zHpYCKcnmk ItEuEwMDNjI9ybeJDqDSr0t6oJSbPjMab7GV4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:29:54 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: I hope you like it! 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Merry christmas for y= ou and your=20 family in advance! --f46d0444e96b0f2f2704b3e7a530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 18:34:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D18C18345C; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8EF45C60-D259-44CB-82A7-CBC06FF0341F@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Cass county waltz Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:34:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the kind words Petri I hope to have this song recorded an mixed by March along with a bunch of other music. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 19:54:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87A5218345C; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WrWtokVWM6+s/IufJZd2LE88CurEE0lrlTYbMmCK0IU=; b=cn7uxHVIl8bAjbMvoLWF/ELSDYb4P6+86dVYoNsYWwK9Nnaa/4b5w7OW5whjKTXpmg MOm0iS/b8ZsjCOi/lXXxhCbVF9RlspGZ5f5oHAMphjP5QtjjyNoPGehR+upMydIqTGyF lNRuLxKiQP5bHWPNgUvmMmA0efFw6UyuILwH0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8EF45C60-D259-44CB-82A7-CBC06FF0341F@baymoon.com> References: <8EF45C60-D259-44CB-82A7-CBC06FF0341F@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:54:25 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cass county waltz From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dee8276d4e3304b3ea8000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:54:26 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dee8276d4e3304b3ea8000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curious about the mechanics of the reversed section... It's a IV - V - vi progression, which I hadn't heard looped prior... I did note a vi - V - IV section before but structurally it's different than the IV - V - vi section,so i don't think you are reversing that.... Are you playing the changes yourself over tonally non-committed backing bits? And are you reversing only one track or several? Must have listened to that track a dozen times now Bill, really lovely work. Phil :) --0016e6dee8276d4e3304b3ea8000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Curious about the mechanics of the reversed section... I= t's a IV - V - vi progression, which I hadn't heard looped prior...= I did note a vi - V - IV section before but structurally it's different= =20 than the IV - V - vi section,so i don't think you are reversing that...= . Are you playing the changes yourself =A0over ton= ally non-committed backing bits? And are you =A0reversing only one track or= several? Must have listened to that track a dozen times now Bill= , really lovely work. Phil :) --0016e6dee8276d4e3304b3ea8000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 03:49:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4EE18345D; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 03:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=39cgxfPHo38XOcR3k5RIPO8mc3GOIuTtFzLO7jF4X+Y=; b=R6dMplGoMy/8ActcH1l6nWEt8NrmFoFJPLPgjLPMTFNevdo8bMkOY6jTehdI78by/B /hyOJtAguDds7guimK07GwsezXBsh8/kcWKxP9vnCg9A6xK1VN1N6qmXI8VOf8cr7un3 YQJBP+jyNcm6xtI3oMbBlN9GM7QW2lXoT5DaU= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Computer Stands From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:48:57 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <24FE9C83-579B-42B8-8CFD-597CD89F7AA5@gmail.com> References: <67AE0852-B83B-4A65-AF51-66EA28A1AADF@gmail.com> <20111212125220.159730@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 03:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Thanks so much everyone, what a fantastic variety of solutions :) On Dec 12, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: >> I've been looking at something along these lines: >> http://store.bilila.com/lastwist.html > > I borrowed something like that a the Rome Looping Festival three years > ago. Quite neat stand, you can see it on this short video clip: > http://www.youtube.com/user/perboysen#p/u/12/bx-5xrQnC4M > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 05:33:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03FE718345B; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE6E397.5000308@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:33:11 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed References: <4EE5E6E5.6010509@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EE5E6E5.6010509@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:33:20 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > > hint... > Would be nice to have a demo that wasn't a layered up studio track, > that would make it easier to to grasp what's going on with the new > features. > * * > *We'll start working on demos right after Christmas.* *Why they are not out yet is this: I literally have had a partially working prototype and only for a short time. It was not in it's final physical form because we had to wait so long for the company who made the extruded aluminum housings, so I didn't want to put a lot of energy into making a demo of a box that doesn't look like the final product. *Isn't there a nice demo of 1/2 1/4 speed on you tube somewhere that really shows how that can be used. * the 1/4, quadruple speed works exactly like 1/2, double speed in a DL-4 or EDP. ......no different........ What is so cool about the unit is that you can have 1/2 speed or double speed on once Button and the 1/4-quadruple speed function on a second Button. I literally played polyrhtyhmic patterns in this example with two feet using this technique, You can get some wicked effect to then re-sample/loop using this technique, though it would take your fingers controlling a second looper to accomplish it. *I couldn't hear the effect *exactly* as described here in the demo (random retrigger) Is it more accurately "jump to Random position and keep re-triggering to it while button is held down"? *No,* *The Random Retrigger works thusly................push Random Retrigger and the looper will begin to play at a randomized place in the loop, practically it is completely random. Everytime you hit Random Retrigger it goes to a different place, but the square wave effect of going from one place in the loop to another causes a kind of ersatz transient in the sound so it makes it very effect to 'play' ostinato rhythmic patterns with your foot whose timbre changes continually every time you press the pedal. I intended it, specifically to be re-looped another LP-2 or another looper of any brand. The unit has all these Retriggering Options Retrigger (One Shot) this is identical to a DL-4 retrigger command Retrigger (Continuous) this Retriggers from the beginning and lets the loop continue on indefinitely (this was specifically put in to let loopers re-'sync' with a live band or with a looper who they are not synchronized with using midi, even though that is also possible with the LP-2 Retrigger (Random) as explained above. As soon as BIll and I have saleable LP-2s in our hot little hands, we'll begin making a Video Manual and be available for questions. I promise. Rick Walker * > > > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 05:37:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC9D318345C; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE6E486.4020304@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:37:10 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:37:18 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > What would that speed shift mean in tonal interval, a two octaves up shift? *Exactly, two octaves up, if you begin in 1/4 sample speed mode or two octaves down, if you begin in normal sample mode. * > And I guess you can start looping in Quadruple mode and then take it > down to Normal to achieve doom-grunt-noise sound to your loop? *Precisely! also wicked past arpeggios sped up four times sound like 'splashes' of sound which is very cool for noise embellishment. * > >> > (artifacty as hell, but in a very cool way) > I'm kind of used to "the chipmunk sound" and like it for what it is. > That video piece is nice, Rick! *Thanks, Per!* > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 08:16:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E42418345A; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:16:38 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20111213081638.145470@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/xfHA0fQ/x8PKdC3GAJ2t5kTkSDbJBlSf4cPjt1w 0F3r2QMk45vWRTK68iq6lThkLKogZ+hJE8hw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: sWyVbrdZeSEqZ8h4kHUhmt5+IGRvb8CM Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:16:42 +0000 (UTC) I like the "gospel attitude" (or maybe it's the Christmas spirit ;-) ). You certainly have a point: There is a difference between "Gotta get my part done before the PUT POINT" vs "I don't know (yet) where this is going"... Perhaps it's the vulnerability of stepping into unknown territory that distinguishes on-the-fly live-looping from charted (pre-fabricated loop) territory. Per: Ahh, I love that stuff (and Eric Dolphy especially!). best regards Buzap -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurück-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 09:30:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8320418345C; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 701982923/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.105/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.105 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBABsa505YbRdp/2dsb2JhbAAMOK4FAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgEthuIU4MaBJotjHI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,344,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="701982923" Message-ID: <4EE71B39.6060402@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:30:33 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed References: <4EE5E6E5.6010509@tiscali.co.uk> <4EE6E397.5000308@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE6E397.5000308@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > *Isn't there a nice demo of 1/2 1/4 speed on you tube somewhere that > really shows how that can be used. > * > the 1/4, quadruple speed works exactly like 1/2, double speed in a DL-4 > or EDP. > ......no different........ Sure, but the way *you* use the speed change while building up layers is a lot more interesting that the more common technique of "do a loop then half speed it", and I reckon that 1/4 speed works much better used in your way. > *I couldn't hear the effect *exactly* as described here in the demo > (random retrigger) > Is it more accurately "jump to Random position and keep re-triggering to > it while button > is held down"? > *No,* right, so where does that rapid retriggering (stutter) sound come from? ...and I thought I heard those getting looped too. > 'play' ostinato rhythmic patterns with your foot whose timbre changes > continually every time you press the pedal. so it really needs a smooth loop for that to be perceivable > As soon as BIll and I have saleable LP-2s in our hot little hands, we'll > begin making a Video Manual > and be available for questions. I promise. > > Rick Walker excellent andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 22:03:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 810BD183452; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VC1sNQN/wECWGFLBecOtHWH/xNmo6yfgyjJPOhwNUAc=; b=p8XbkhoAcACw4agyGvqmQxg/TrMc5dOZ+praw7fZHMfcdeZ1g6E0/LQ8rDnPpqi0Mb MJBkNEFv1OjLjR6aQsXB33AIGbGwWQym64oCxjQ+4TmW8adrw9bcPKcPZWGUP/9WDEme 87vSpXrLWIpwXHxH8y4+a+EV8jwAWrmCQn2nM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:03:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: How to fix an echoplex footswitch? From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:03:14 +0000 (UTC) The record function on my edp footswitch is no longer working. From what I understand, it's just resistors that need to be replaced, possibly the footswitch itself? If I open it up, I should probably just replace all of the resistors, yeah? Any help, i.e. values of resistors would be appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 22:40:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9372B183454; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1668 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:40:17 UTC Subject: Re: How to fix an echoplex footswitch? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:12:17 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1EA150DE-C87A-4BEB-875A-9A5C860C2D7B@trufun.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:40:17 +0000 (UTC) It's usually a worn-out switch. I have replaced that one many times. = Someone around here knows where to get em and what the catalog number = is; I can't remember. On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:03 PM, marcus kirby wrote: > The record function on my edp footswitch is no longer working. From > what I understand, it's just resistors that need to be replaced, > possibly the footswitch itself? >=20 > If I open it up, I should probably just replace all of the resistors, = yeah? >=20 > Any help, i.e. values of resistors would be appreciated. >=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 22:53:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95A65183454; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=F8+UdlYn+BI/s5fc7/9AlBa6mKN8A7OXFPkmHqLpj1Q=; b=XkPTi/oY/JHoNUIk0V6OlYwYpf+5/qFQMb0UTOy5Vm03PJXF0HUByjxNT6PwYVJ3G4 5JcV+kmnjYB1ZAlFn9+hzV9DHV58BwRghfN/fP7ppgF31gM1Lun+SE5Z/1tSqkbtUOT2 PzAytHfnmOHDpxTvWV+y6nG0BNe3xB4qcIlFc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1EA150DE-C87A-4BEB-875A-9A5C860C2D7B@trufun.com> References: <1EA150DE-C87A-4BEB-875A-9A5C860C2D7B@trufun.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:53:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to fix an echoplex footswitch? From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: David Gans Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d96787ab094004b4011ef5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:53:30 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d96787ab094004b4011ef5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just replaced one of those switches, sourced from here: http://www.britishaudioservice.com/parts.php?mfg=3&cat=18 Super fast, super cheap. Repair job was a piece of cake. Can't speak to the resistors, did not muck with those. Phil :) On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:12 PM, David Gans wrote: > > It's usually a worn-out switch. I have replaced that one many times. > Someone around here knows where to get em and what the catalog number is; > I can't remember. > > > On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:03 PM, marcus kirby wrote: > > > The record function on my edp footswitch is no longer working. From > > what I understand, it's just resistors that need to be replaced, > > possibly the footswitch itself? > > > > If I open it up, I should probably just replace all of the resistors, > yeah? > > > > Any help, i.e. values of resistors would be appreciated. > > > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > > --0016e6d96787ab094004b4011ef5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just replaced one of those switches, sourced from here: http://= www.britishaudioservice.com/parts.php?mfg=3D3&cat=3D18 Super= fast, super cheap. Repair job was a piece of cake. Can't speak to the = resistors, did not muck with those. Phil :) On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2= :12 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote: It's usually a worn-out switch. =A0I have replaced that one many times.= =A0Someone around here knows where to get em and what the catalog number i= s; I can't remember. On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:03 PM, marcus kirby wrote: > The record function on my edp footswitch is no longer working. From > what I understand, it's just resistors that need to be replaced, > possibly the footswitch itself? > > If I open it up, I should probably just replace all of the resistors, = yeah? > > Any help, i.e. values of resistors would be appreciated. > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: =A0http:= //cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dga= ns.com Photos: ht= tp://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http:/= /www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --0016e6d96787ab094004b4011ef5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 23:33:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FF68183461; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4667CACF-3576-4560-AE2D-D6084775D594@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Cass county waltz Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:32:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:33:05 +0000 (UTC) This track had 4 tracks, a single note ostinato I created my toggling track speed as i recorded the loop if you toggle track speed every two beats while recording a simple 1/8th note figure you get a 3/4 time signature check the archives more more possibilities with this technique. I also layed down a guit-box track using half pseed again to create the shaker part and layered faux kick and snare on top, i also recorded a quantize replace track set to a factor of 12 to create and underlying 12/8 pulse, again playing very minimal note choices with in the key. lastly after i had established my main theme i played a VIm V IV progression in half speed, soloed over it a bit without over dubbing, came back in to overdub toward the end of the IV chord and hit a replace/1/2 speed/reverse command to end overdub and flip the chord progression around as I jump and octave. I do this technique a fair amount to book end a progression by playing it in reverse at twice the speed. Bill Curious about the mechanics of the reversed section... It's a IV - V - vi progression, which I hadn't heard looped prior... I did note a vi - V - IV section before but structurally it's different than the IV - V - vi section,so i don't think you are reversing that.... Are you playing the changes yourself over tonally non-committed backing bits? And are you reversing only one track or several? Must have listened to that track a dozen times now Bill, really lovely work. Phil :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 23:37:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C355183462; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE7E19A.9060608@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:36:58 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:37:05 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > This seems to be the week that the LP2 is shipping . . . > http://looperlative.posterous.com/first-10-lp2s-are-assembled-and-tested > Santa Bob is coming to town . . . > > Gary Bob also wrote: "As a bonus for waiting so long, I will be shipping SanDisk Ultra SDHC cards with all of the preorders LP2s." That was nice of him. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 23:47:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3F14183463; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BSpU/+OmldY82e8OEVRZ4se5E/5+J/kbnjUVHMoKLiY=; b=UWhll40T22zwcERnDDlrZdTa2PIkzCXmh72l78z6LxhT4r14WN6UZ09I31SJTeOdzy +ga0J0Xh30smXJYnyC/a0GPsgZyrhfw3kRLSDrqirpeH8ExFquxe6OpEdnnlxaqUh/Xx jZzA0v9y6lRy7wLLQMEzoCmoVGJO5bxLwjjE4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE7E19A.9060608@cruzio.com> References: <4EE7E19A.9060608@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:47:20 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c806c5a1e8904b401dfb8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:47:23 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c806c5a1e8904b401dfb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How much will the lp-2 cost? Is the midi sync solic? On Dec 13, 2011 5:37 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > >> This seems to be the week that the LP2 is shipping . . . >> http://looperlative.posterous.**com/first-10-lp2s-are-** >> assembled-and-tested >> Santa Bob is coming to town . . . >> >> Gary >> > Bob also wrote: > > "As a bonus for waiting so long, > I will be shipping SanDisk Ultra SDHC cards with all of the preorders > LP2s." > > > That was nice of him. > > rick walker > > --f46d043c806c5a1e8904b401dfb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How much will the lp-2 cost? Is the midi sync solic? On Dec 13, 2011 5:37 PM, "Rick Walker"= <looppool@cruzio.com> wro= te: On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: This seems to be the week that the LP2 is shipping . . . http://looperlative.posterous.com/first-= 10-lp2s-are-assembled-and-tested Santa Bob is coming to town . . . Gary Bob also wrote: "As a bonus for waiting so long, I will be shipping SanDisk Ultra SDHC cards with all of the preorders LP2s.= " That was nice of him. rick walker --f46d043c806c5a1e8904b401dfb8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 23:47:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6083B18347A; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE7E40D.6080203@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:47:25 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed References: <4EE71B39.6060402@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EE71B39.6060402@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <81DJGD.A.GFG.UQ-5OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:47:32 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote:.. > about my use of 1/4, 4X function in the LP-2: > > "Sure, but the way *you* use the speed change while building up layers > is a lot more interesting that the more common technique > of "do a loop then half speed it", and I reckon that 1/4 > speed works much better used in your way. " Well, I used it in a more experimental way............I notices that if I kicked the presently recorded loop down to 1/4 speed at random places, then I could play a really rapid set of notes in a burst..............kicked back up to speed would give me these little bursts of hi pitched information...........it worked especially well with mute picking so that you'd really get the click of the pick on the strings. As is frequent with some of my improvs, I couldn't tell you what I did because I never do exactly the same thing twice (with the expeption of noticing that a particular piece of found objects make for a good 'piece') So I apologize for not being more articulate. As soon as I have the money, I need to get one of those zoom cameras that my brother has to make a video that both has high quality audio and HD video. Right now I don't have a good solution for high quality video and high quality audio.........as soon as I can afford that, I'll start making videos like bill does, then people can tell what I do. > > right, so where does that rapid retriggering (stutter) sound > come from? ...and I thought I heard those getting looped too. Well, the unit does to Retrigger (continuous) so I probably used that as well. > > >> about playing ostinato rhyms with the new Random Retrigger function: > > "so it really needs a smooth loop for that to be perceivable " Exactly..............this technique works best if you use non-transient oriented loops (i.e., ambient styled, if dense timbrally) It's much more aggro and avant garde sounding if you split up rhtyhmic tracks with transients in them. > > > > >> As soon as BIll and I have saleable LP-2s in our hot little hands, >> we'll begin making a Video Manual >> and be available for questions. I promise. >> >> Rick Walker > > excellent > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 00:43:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5817B183477; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FkIgMZbvbREb3OF1Htn++ooS27fMu1s6OO4i2a3zLLg=; b=JacV/XLzSIZB9/H52bXJGJNI4fKPdzr7SW8azOjRtZK6qGJIU4AvH7JARbVjCr4N8X wgmd67dvJ12UHwt6xWuB5CyBcAAKbgmxpVi/mzyCY8R0tpQMbBT8sYhbjwL11NBDk4NY BDjEv34k2Md8n6o+ARzhpdy8v1/Stbwr5hDdk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE7E19A.9060608@cruzio.com> References: <4EE7E19A.9060608@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:43:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP2 From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f33d630fd3a04b402a8a7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:43:32 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f33d630fd3a04b402a8a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very nice, I am drooling for it. Merry Christmas to all!!! On Dec 13, 2011 6:37 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > >> This seems to be the week that the LP2 is shipping . . . >> http://looperlative.posterous.**com/first-10-lp2s-are-** >> assembled-and-tested >> Santa Bob is coming to town . . . >> >> Gary >> > Bob also wrote: > > "As a bonus for waiting so long, > I will be shipping SanDisk Ultra SDHC cards with all of the preorders > LP2s." > > > That was nice of him. > > rick walker > > --20cf307f33d630fd3a04b402a8a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very nice, I am drooling for it.=A0 Merry Christmas to all!!! On Dec 13, 2011 6:37 PM, "Rick Walker"= <looppool@cruzio.com> wro= te: On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: This seems to be the week that the LP2 is shipping . . . http://looperlative.posterous.com/first-= 10-lp2s-are-assembled-and-tested Santa Bob is coming to town . . . Gary Bob also wrote: "As a bonus for waiting so long, I will be shipping SanDisk Ultra SDHC cards with all of the preorders LP2s.= " That was nice of him. rick walker --20cf307f33d630fd3a04b402a8a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 01:02:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E792183478; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=3oCMpi73opaE3KriQ7BU1nF4FVYxX6e8aXHTEtKpe/w=; b=MAuEPTXu1Uct5GB6LCEl9buzTJleZ9jdlSlfWEouWhy/1+SvI6pNvuVjkgQJG1dh+Y DwQmXtFcRsISNSwonP0TQj1yk6DhZOyIeradvRNosqMUgKvrmSplAniqBg3aiiwUvKlb TA2eiLcDAsJkdbahI17anplBhDP8WIR2K75Yk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4667CACF-3576-4560-AE2D-D6084775D594@baymoon.com> References: <4667CACF-3576-4560-AE2D-D6084775D594@baymoon.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:02:21 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pN1ACSfMvQxJ5Uc4JJy8aS1W3z4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cass county waltz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300513e2cd3c7c04b402ec67 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:02:43 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300513e2cd3c7c04b402ec67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not to derail a thread here, (I've long stopped posting my congrats after Bill posts something, I feel like there should be a button for that on gmail actually.. ) but what I wanted to ask was... what are you guys talking about when you say V and VI and IV actually? its popped up a few times and and I dont know what it means? --20cf300513e2cd3c7c04b402ec67 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not to derail a thread here, (I've long stopped posting my congrats aft= er Bill posts something, I feel like there should be a button for that on g= mail actually.. ) but what I wanted to ask was... what are you guys talking= about when you say V and VI and IV actually? its popped up a few times and= and I dont know what it means? --20cf300513e2cd3c7c04b402ec67-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 01:55:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D81218347A; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4EE8020C.0011,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=457y4IXgkPg9sNWMz/ExzYRHvCCDEIe40hmIg5h2CZg= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=bEqGGp-Icy42R45qrX4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=d1jZQr-n9e-Sn8GQN5AA:9 a=zEb09MMqD-G3EwJBIGoA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4667CACF-3576-4560-AE2D-D6084775D594@baymoon.com> Subject: RE: Cass county waltz Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:55:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01CCB9C0.5B1BCDF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acy5/BdBk+fA1NogR7WCJNhZZvsjcgABx1GA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:55:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CCB9C0.5B1BCDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those are chords, built on the scale steps indicated . . . Do Re Mi is 1 2 3 and the triads formed from stacking every other note of the scale are the chords- So in C, V is G, VI is A (and vi is Am) and IV is F. Gary _____ From: markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com] On Behalf Of mark francombe Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cass county waltz Not to derail a thread here, (I've long stopped posting my congrats after Bill posts something, I feel like there should be a button for that on gmail actually.. ) but what I wanted to ask was... what are you guys talking about when you say V and VI and IV actually? its popped up a few times and and I dont know what it means? ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CCB9C0.5B1BCDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those are chords, built on the = scale steps indicated . . . Do Re Mi is 1 2 3 and the triads = formed from stacking every other note of the scale are the = chords— So in C, V is G, VI is A (and vi is = Am) and IV is F. Gary From: markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com] On Behalf Of mark francombe Sent: Tuesday, December = 13, 2011 5:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cass county = waltz Not to derail a thread here, (I've long stopped posting my = congrats after Bill posts something, I feel like there should be a button for = that on gmail actually.. ) but what I wanted to ask was... what are you guys = talking about when you say V and VI and IV actually? its popped up a few times = and and I dont know what it means? ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CCB9C0.5B1BCDF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 01:55:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA1C4183492; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wN5/OdS/7hl3aRTPTViGy5XHc1tS8JMPaEhPXqaRdh8= c=1 sm=1 a=H0K8QEYSDSwA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:17 a=kOGGjh0VfhDQkOWq8XIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: How to fix an echoplex footswitch? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:55:24 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2DF9DCC7-1C39-46CB-9818-3509D3AA4083@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Markus, To my knowledge (and I owned a pair of 'em for 16 years) those resistors = don't "wear out". It's the switches that go bad. If you buy a bag of them from Mouser online and learn how to = solder/unsolder them you will never regret it. BTW, you can also buy more long-lasting reliable switches. However, they tend to be ones that turn on/off with a loud click. Although the buttons on the EDP footswitch are a little prone to give = out after a while (particularly on the most used buttons), they have the = virtue of being nice and quiet for live performance. My 2 cents. Ted On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:03 PM, marcus kirby wrote: > The record function on my edp footswitch is no longer working. From > what I understand, it's just resistors that need to be replaced, > possibly the footswitch itself? >=20 > If I open it up, I should probably just replace all of the resistors, = yeah? >=20 > Any help, i.e. values of resistors would be appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 02:25:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 564C218348D; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:25:01 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:25:09 +0000 (UTC) I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning what's out there. So far, I have added FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator Pro, the amazing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's live looping performances, specifically. Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 02:25:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6886318348D; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=71HdYrXrl6YcfOYRgpfCFy1fMn2MERxQkQ8o42ypM88=; b=Yfj2VydYDgT2UAfbirMZjeNf8CuvKXsArepWvxFngMaYJjMEpWUU5M+wkxOP+W/jgN BnYPv6cMMoqtb9PIJ4C5y8Ijo7LZ3hZ3kkZ6R2pVieN3mBXSTwNPbqtTunr4Jgo3FWkR PBYgYCDBpVYRpMg60s9Y/+LufMhcalssCh9bg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2DF9DCC7-1C39-46CB-9818-3509D3AA4083@charter.net> References: <2DF9DCC7-1C39-46CB-9818-3509D3AA4083@charter.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:25:43 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to fix an echoplex footswitch? From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c806caa7f4004b4041599 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c806caa7f4004b4041599 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll buy a bag of the red switches then. Thanks for the help! On Dec 13, 2011 7:55 PM, "Ted Killian" wrote: > Markus, > > To my knowledge (and I owned a pair of 'em for 16 years) those resistors > don't "wear out". > > It's the switches that go bad. > > If you buy a bag of them from Mouser online and learn how to > solder/unsolder them you will never regret it. > > BTW, you can also buy more long-lasting reliable switches. > > However, they tend to be ones that turn on/off with a loud click. > > Although the buttons on the EDP footswitch are a little prone to give out > after a while (particularly on the most used buttons), they have the virtue > of being nice and quiet for live performance. > > My 2 cents. > > Ted > > On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:03 PM, marcus kirby wrote: > > > The record function on my edp footswitch is no longer working. From > > what I understand, it's just resistors that need to be replaced, > > possibly the footswitch itself? > > > > If I open it up, I should probably just replace all of the resistors, > yeah? > > > > Any help, i.e. values of resistors would be appreciated. > > --f46d043c806caa7f4004b4041599 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll buy a bag of the red switches then. Thanks for the help! On Dec 13, 2011 7:55 PM, "Ted Killian"= <tedkillian@charter.net&g= t; wrote: Markus, To my knowledge (and I owned a pair of 'em for 16 years) those resistor= s don't "wear out". It's the switches that go bad. If you buy a bag of them from Mouser online and learn how to solder/unsolde= r them you will never regret it. BTW, you can also buy more long-lasting reliable switches. However, they tend to be ones that turn on/off with a loud click. Although the buttons on the EDP footswitch are a little prone to give out a= fter a while (particularly on the most used buttons), they have the virtue = of being nice and quiet for live performance. My 2 cents. Ted On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:03 PM, marcus kirby wrote: > The record function on my edp footswitch is no longer working. From > what I understand, it's just resistors that need to be replaced, > possibly the footswitch itself? > > If I open it up, I should probably just replace all of the resistors, = yeah? > > Any help, i.e. values of resistors would be appreciated. --f46d043c806caa7f4004b4041599-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 04:07:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93117183494; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ceCL84KGGKoOolbQRpCnZ7HTBzwl/piJjjgpbCuydaJ7UoyFLdFNQJDSGB3FyQMr; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:07:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798a65870d3ddc9e6a76ed9d8cb87c1290350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:07:14 +0000 (UTC) The best I've seen are: Loopy2, Everyday Looper and the TC voice jam, in order of preference. >I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. >It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning >what's out there. > >So far, I have added FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator Pro, >the amazing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, >the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. > >I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that >they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's >live looping performances, specifically. > >Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. > >yours, Rick Walker -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 04:54:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C38318348A; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=YDKfSe2MJqIA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=yJpT7fFDAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=d3s395feAAAA:8 a=cWZZncLVAAAA:8 a=Cd49tnEHAAAA:8 a=YIrqFhB5pCz0v4APv20A:9 a=Eaw2ekhElysPCTWgmnkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=aclLUKU5dPX6n3N7F+vNUA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:54:55 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:54:57 +0000 (UTC) I could have sworn I had Loopy2 (had the others). My iPad (I) got erased whe= n I upgraded my iOS. Now when I try to find "Loopy2" in apps its not their. I= bet it upstairs on desktop where I sync this.=20 I'm snuggly ensconced in this triple quilted womb I've created for myself in= my freezing house. I'm going nowhere.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote:= > The best I've seen are: Loopy2, Everyday Looper and the TC voice jam, in= order of preference. >=20 >> I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. >> It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning >> what's out there. >>=20 >> So far, I have added FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator Pro, the ama= zing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, >> the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. >>=20 >> I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that >> they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's >> live looping performances, specifically. >>=20 >> Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. >>=20 >> yours, Rick Walker >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >=20 > http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 05:26:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CEC5183492; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-12-14_02:2011-12-14,2011-12-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1112130342 Subject: Re: Cass county waltz From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:25:12 -0800 Message-id: <2DA6BB60-93C8-4FEE-B8F9-FBD457F7B515@mac.com> References: <4667CACF-3576-4560-AE2D-D6084775D594@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:26:15 +0000 (UTC) > what are you guys talking about when you say V and VI and IV actually? its popped up a few times and and I dont know what it means? Its the language Chord Progression. Capital Roman Numerals indicate Major Chords lower case indicate Minor Chords The numbers themselves indicate the position in the scale , where DO RE ME = 1 2 3. (oh, suddenly I hear an old Jackson 5 song coming on...) Happy harmony sleuthing. Daniel On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:02 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Not to derail a thread here, (I've long stopped posting my congrats after Bill posts something, I feel like there should be a button for that on gmail actually.. ) but what I wanted to ask was... what are you guys talking about when you say V and VI and IV actually? its popped up a few times and and I dont know what it means? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 05:59:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B82C183496; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=OSTafX2zhU8Lc3tXcntgsiCx3YTTrtL0s6QOQESnKYs=; b=EkZnSr6mV0DrlMGvI5bAVsHfe4O7dCVyE6ZYo7f/4J1mpd9D/4AGFFI+5a+czfFmnx lXDWeg8Tw4mOQ/wUyKRKuUVXtUfRm3w+MQqyB1btBJAUPoVUjdLIFuLSnPOMp5YzfIkO HOPWe68ea9hsSlB/KJ74MeU3sv/C86+vjatEw= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Myke Atkinson In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:59:37 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Not positive, but I think Charles meant "Loopy HD" when he said Loopy2. -Myke On 2011-12-13, at 9:54 PM, chaz worm wrote: > I could have sworn I had Loopy2 (had the others). My iPad (I) got = erased when I upgraded my iOS. Now when I try to find "Loopy2" in apps = its not their. I bet it upstairs on desktop where I sync this.=20 > I'm snuggly ensconced in this triple quilted womb I've created for = myself in my freezing house. >=20 > I'm going nowhere.=20 >=20 > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://ChazWorm.com > http://ELOpry.com > http://HankZeppelin.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >=20 >=20 > On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Charles Zwicky = wrote: >=20 >> The best I've seen are: Loopy2, Everyday Looper and the TC voice = jam, in order of preference. >>=20 >>> I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. >>> It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning >>> what's out there. >>>=20 >>> So far, I have added FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator Pro, = the amazing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, >>> the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. >>>=20 >>> I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that >>> they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's >>> live looping performances, specifically. >>>=20 >>> Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. >>>=20 >>> yours, Rick Walker >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >>=20 >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >>=20 >> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >>=20 >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 06:44:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95D41183497; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jeqMZDSuEZZJkSH4eW8GiadF3w+OSTpwgcte9Z6eHO8=; b=spfnxR5EIx1Ad77n96LgdAS0DgD4rcaJzwd+FYYK4E/8nSItxYgTiTVSiZnMqPVChi LZW7TyaeGHljPNzpCx07scy+vjsy6LR5jajMhtlim4+dYjZVc4ExBH2Gv8S25IEeBgn9 JWoRjeQqhbppDwYuF+bGOV6u8bAHz36FURC7w= References: <4667CACF-3576-4560-AE2D-D6084775D594@baymoon.com> <2DA6BB60-93C8-4FEE-B8F9-FBD457F7B515@mac.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <2DA6BB60-93C8-4FEE-B8F9-FBD457F7B515@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:19:43 +0100 Message-ID: <-5631217182401704648@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Cass county waltz To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:44:16 +0000 (UTC) what do you call the root note? 0? Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 14 Dec 2011, at 06:26, Daniel Thomas wrote: >> what are you guys talking about when you say V and VI and IV actually? i= ts popped up a few times and and I dont know what it means? > > Its the language Chord Progression. > > Capital Roman Numerals indicate Major Chords > lower case indicate Minor Chords > The numbers themselves indicate the position in the scale , where DO RE M= E =3D 1 2 3. (oh, suddenly I hear an old Jackson 5 song coming on...) > > Happy harmony sleuthing. > Daniel > > On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:02 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> Not to derail a thread here, (I've long stopped posting my congrats afte= r Bill posts something, I feel like there should be a button for that on gm= ail actually.. ) but what I wanted to ask was... what are you guys talking = about when you say V and VI and IV actually? its popped up a few times and = and I dont know what it means? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 06:44:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14A5718349D; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AHhNpjAtZ6PHxUtYOJ9GhPIIIfU3mxSrerWOKX5HDSY=; b=Ejq9jCRns7EGYI5Ak1bVahk57tBVMXby+tZtxwNeZrUIp2N/tSJR/MS7mQXY6SaxM6 UfGU1RxHlRvsDpq2hipvd0xwADUmg4bK/n2/13ukOq3G4qA2UM1xJ9CjPI+fWYmCpa5s AHFKQVSagGz8R81guZ2dKUNq19GZsx747odyA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <-5631217182401704648@unknownmsgid> References: <4667CACF-3576-4560-AE2D-D6084775D594@baymoon.com> <2DA6BB60-93C8-4FEE-B8F9-FBD457F7B515@mac.com> <-5631217182401704648@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:44:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cass county waltz From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340bd38ccf8704b407b4ce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:44:54 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340bd38ccf8704b407b4ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I (1) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:19 AM, mark francombe wrote: > what do you call the root note? 0? > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 14 Dec 2011, at 06:26, Daniel Thomas wrote: > > >> what are you guys talking about when you say V and VI and IV actually? > its popped up a few times and and I dont know what it means? > > > > Its the language Chord Progression. > > > > Capital Roman Numerals indicate Major Chords > > lower case indicate Minor Chords > > The numbers themselves indicate the position in the scale , where DO RE > ME = 1 2 3. (oh, suddenly I hear an old Jackson 5 song coming on...) > > > > Happy harmony sleuthing. > > Daniel > > > > On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:02 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > > >> Not to derail a thread here, (I've long stopped posting my congrats > after Bill posts something, I feel like there should be a button for that > on gmail actually.. ) but what I wanted to ask was... what are you guys > talking about when you say V and VI and IV actually? its popped up a few > times and and I dont know what it means? > > > > -- The above words carry a spirit of benevolence and good humor. If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) --14dae9340bd38ccf8704b407b4ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I (1) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:19 AM, ma= rk francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote: what do you call the root note? 0? Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 14 Dec 2011, at 06:26, Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrote: >> what are you guys talking about when you say V and VI and IV actua= lly? its popped up a few times and and I dont know what it means? > > Its the language =A0Chord Progression. > > Capital Roman Numerals indicate Major Chords > lower case indicate Minor Chords > The numbers themselves indicate the position in the scale , where DO R= E ME =3D 1 2 3. =A0 (oh, suddenly I hear an old Jackson 5 song coming on...= ) > > Happy harmony sleuthing. > Daniel > > On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:02 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> Not to derail a thread here, (I've long stopped posting my con= grats after Bill posts something, I feel like there should be a button for = that on gmail actually.. ) but what I wanted to ask was... what are you guy= s talking about when you say V and VI and IV actually? its popped up a few = times and and I dont know what it means? > -- = The above words carry a spirit of benevolence and good humor. If you do not= understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask q= uestions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assure= d any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is ava= ilable; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be b= etter spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that yo= u respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully = ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes=A0the ap= pearance of authenticity and=A0compromises the honorable intentions from wh= ich this signature was created.) --14dae9340bd38ccf8704b407b4ce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 07:01:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EE6A18349B; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=k7+wF6b/FC3tWUB27QjdEi83l3BgR7Fm98bO/QHtQjY=; b=EWGFfgl84XlelMSKO9dt+GtzoWoXalmqLrff8LrgNt9oq7mitQYT6Pkn7dR982QXze +QW3HJZDH5V/1tqZLszMGOlj1ZG4AfMlHQ1w9efcSzG+YyJtaGOqzQiZU/+2uPaHAn/L up0RkMjkThSoAU70oAU30eO9iN5McxieX+BpM= From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-14--205960769 Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:01:46 -0300 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:01:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-14--205960769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii since I think of myself as the creator of this function its a pleasure = to read what great users think about it! its the one function I used a lot personally and I often felt the desire to change the short base loop after the = multiplication, which is possible if multiply happens on a new track and = thus only could be done with two EDPs then again I love unrounded multiply too... does it work on several = tracks in some apps? now this made me type here: On 12 Dec 2011, at 11:08, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > A personal take: > I just love the open feeling of playing free improvisation with live > looping techniques and I think that this future-wide-open attitude > rubs off emotionally on the audience in a positive way. Can't explain > how it works, but I really have a strong feeling of that happening. I > get the same feeling when listening to recordings of the sixties' > "spiritual free jazz" artists (Sanders, Coltrane, Dolphy and more). > It's "something collective" that "opens up" and it doesn't happen if > arrangements are too rigid or clips can't be mangled on-the-fly. The > Gospel of Looping? LOL ;-) >=20 even on TV they go back to real live transmission of the stupid talk = shows.=20 seems that the public prefers to watch some real idiot than a perfect = movie illusion :-) so its not just the gospel of looping, but of the NOW - or what? I remember Randolf saying that he sometimes introduces errors just so = the public feels that its real, and this is also a clowns tradition: let = the ball drop once and you get the sympathy of the public so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving = function!= --Apple-Mail-14--205960769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii since = I think of myself as the creator of this function its a pleasure to read = what great users think about it!its the one function I used a lot = personally and I often felt the desire to change the short = base loop after the multiplication, which is possible if multiply = happens on a new track and thus only could be done with two = EDPs then again I love unrounded multiply too... does it work = on several tracks in some apps? now this made = me type here: On 12 Dec 2011, at 11:08, Per Boysen = wrote: A personal = take: I just love the open feeling of playing free improvisation with = live looping techniques and I think that this future-wide-open = attitude rubs off emotionally on the audience in a positive way. = Can't explain how it works, but I really have a strong feeling of = that happening. I get the same feeling when listening to recordings = of the sixties' "spiritual free jazz" artists (Sanders, Coltrane, = Dolphy and more). It's "something collective" that "opens up" and it = doesn't happen if arrangements are too rigid or clips can't be = mangled on-the-fly. The Gospel of Looping? LOL = ;-) even on TV they go back to real live = transmission of the stupid talk shows. seems that the = public prefers to watch some real idiot than a perfect movie illusion = :-) so its not just the gospel of looping, but of the NOW - or = what? I remember Randolf saying that he sometimes introduces = errors just so the public feels that its real, and this is also a clowns = tradition: let the ball drop once and you get the sympathy of the = public so I am even thinking of building the = Evoloop without loop saving function!= --Apple-Mail-14--205960769-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 07:24:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CED61834A0; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=+ijvst0B8cw+F9df6qLeiUrmTccEBmuEL8cm22a+WBY=; b=t4+DPnnKjfmpFdew3jrJ5oCaYZEX3z+EL6zMju21EDWAeDn4zjbeEeh+5/1D7QwoV1 U2Up0QRYqNQ+IFyL64Ujw8Iw6OwYk5vi5S/5mjM74XzaHu30mDHaoNywyReP0ZXVAyJk Bm1H3c9vJDe14xpNIic2cejjZ1CI8vT9d+htw= References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:24:05 +0100 Message-ID: <4107760953763833844@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <1oDe7D.A.WRF.g8E6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 14 Dec 2011, at 08:01, Matthias Grob wrote: > > so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving function! that would be a "feature" In my book! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 07:42:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DE4B18349F; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=pi0SZ0ztZacQksYMMTF59XGfsPnaJ0HlNFvzrz5arxA=; b=oT0OK0Lumo/4nYL9rCiMxdPfui/VgcEj2uH9X+aGqoxsz3/5hpk2epmeZhcBCUn4fD xwyLqTWW7oaZVm+zvnWwHiD3jYn3DYZLLp3wk5IBx+nEjMod6Go9meZnunfT8VlXD0+2 hTssC1DARNwIwKLTTX8RjJtL8qISPsbSUyevY= From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15--203524502 Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:42:22 -0300 In-Reply-To: <4107760953763833844@unknownmsgid> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> <4107760953763833844@unknownmsgid> Message-Id: <1AC73BDF-F2E4-476B-99F9-BA93063FBE8F@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:42:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15--203524502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 14 Dec 2011, at 04:24, mark francombe wrote: >=20 > On 14 Dec 2011, at 08:01, Matthias Grob wrote: >=20 >> so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving = function! >=20 > that would be a "feature" In my book! >=20 LOL its an attitude maybe? like a tatoo meaning "I am a hard guy" :-) and eventually it becomes a flag for the public: where they see that = shiny machine, the musician is not cheating :-) --Apple-Mail-15--203524502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On 14 Dec 2011, at 04:24, mark francombe wrote: On 14 Dec 2011, at 08:01, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote: so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving function! that would be a "feature" In my book! LOLits an attitude maybe? like a tatoo meaning "I am a hard guy" :-) and eventually it becomes a flag for the public: where they see that shiny machine, the musician is not cheating :-) --Apple-Mail-15--203524502-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 07:47:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E45EC1834A3; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=+dfPK5OulGKZXj1i8CnLBMUJrGtody5qMHcVqnZXar4=; b=ITInuV+58Ay63uYKOrQLsmTD0+lJBpS34qnfOXDO34Qrakfo5kqY/P08gX7wKrFleZ 5U5stVdU+2u6jiGvHSog5otsNjhsL/1w/Dj/+ZgkNvXe5LdfGcn8VWpljRfVPGxWuY+W Tc14Cqxbv18DZYJL2Xz7fxKeJwF/EyNMV44iA= From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--203212095 Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:47:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: <1AC73BDF-F2E4-476B-99F9-BA93063FBE8F@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> <4107760953763833844@unknownmsgid> <1AC73BDF-F2E4-476B-99F9-BA93063FBE8F@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:47:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--203212095 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +1 :) On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >=20 > On 14 Dec 2011, at 04:24, mark francombe wrote: >>=20 >> On 14 Dec 2011, at 08:01, Matthias Grob wrote: >>=20 >>> so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving = function! >>=20 >> that would be a "feature" In my book! >>=20 > LOL > its an attitude maybe? like a tatoo meaning "I am a hard guy" :-) > and eventually it becomes a flag for the public: where they see that = shiny machine, the musician is not cheating :-) >=20 --Apple-Mail-2--203212095 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On 14 Dec 2011, = at 04:24, mark francombe wrote: On 14 Dec 2011, at 08:01, Matthias = Grob <matilists@gmail.com> = wrote: so I am even thinking of = building the Evoloop without loop saving function! that = would be a "feature" In my = book! LOLits an attitude maybe? = like a tatoo meaning "I am a hard guy" :-) and eventually it = becomes a flag for the public: where they see that shiny machine, the = musician is not cheating = :-) = --Apple-Mail-2--203212095-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 08:05:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2BB81834A4; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--202135791 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Cass County Waltz Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:05:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:05:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--202135791 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those are chords, built on the scale steps indicated . . . Do Re Mi is 1 2 3 and the triads formed from stacking every other note =20= of the scale are the chords=97 So in C, V is G, VI is A (and vi is Am) and IV is F. Just like Gary sez, I was using roman numerals to describe my chord =20 progression though I would like to add: I was in the key of E so the basic triad chords in that key are: I II III IV V VI VII E maj F# min G# min A maj B maj C# min D# dim I used an e major tuning, the progression was in 12/8 with a =20 verse cycle that went: I IV I =20 V IV E for 2 bars A for 2 bars E for 1 bar B for 1 bar and A for 2 bars, VI V =20= IV the bridge went C#min for 1 bar , B for 1 bar, and A for 2 bars at the end I reversed the bridge section track as i changed it from =20 1/2 speed to normal speed to create a 2 measure IV V VI. Ok Mark so don't give me compliments.... don't prop up my (depending =20= on your point of view) fragile, or inflated ego. see what I care, you =20= rat bastard... would you at least throw me a like on Youtube? is that =20= so much to ask mate? warm fuzzy hugs to ya Bill --Apple-Mail-1--202135791 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those are chords, built on the scale steps indicated . . = . Do Re Mi is 1 2 3 and the triads formed from stacking = every other note of the scale are the = chords=97 So in C, V is G, VI is A (and vi is Am) and IV is = F. I was in the key of E so the basic = triad chords in that key are: I = II III = IV V VI = VII E maj F# min = G# min A maj B maj C# min D# dim I used an e major tuning, the = progression was in 12/8 with a verse cycle that = went: I = IV = I = V = IV E for 2 bars = A for 2 bars E for 1 bar B for 1 bar and A for 2 = bars, = = VI = V = IV the bridge = went C#min for 1 bar , B for 1 bar, and A for 2 = bars at the end I = reversed the bridge section track as i changed it from 1/2 speed to = normal speed to create a 2 measure IV V = VI. Ok Mark so = don't give me compliments.... don't prop up my (depending on your point = of view) fragile, or inflated ego. see what I care, you rat = bastard... would you at least throw me a like on Youtube? is that so = much to ask mate? warm fuzzy = hugs to ya Bill = --Apple-Mail-1--202135791-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 08:11:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D8841834A9; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1323850311; bh=owFE1wJ5dZ/p4EG+WLJTvF4lLsR2T2fyBMAmPGTHIQM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=1nUksy+em7+YFEQ3elTK8Nj2OK6F8uOWzKSGFhWLF9uiMN/01yo1Ff8fBaMVjRWk5hMp6nolPkkR+yathvdIY0AmnDi0SzV1nr38y1tfuSnSBfvVp2a6J/ZQyRUEmNO/Y/UUffIqAZCEmlfmy0eZbM8q0wQkClxhPVhCU8l/3/s= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 739365.71177.bm@smtp134.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: rfB40Q8VM1kQjUjkcnzu6QRmob2YxleV7bKDDculYKDX7FO tUVfu13OoIaYmxStMhdvLtklRx0FgcHYfNafnbvlDmikm2uxNQ9myDkck9s. z3TIbTtRmI1qv6BDT6Y4oXsXkWWa23Wux.TGrk81RSrOMwUaPTC_j05eIEfQ LnovBHLBu1Vw1KcPoepYPyAcK0l_fU6317J_6WxoCpxm3xFMRKZjawCyweFR SfpmCyGvU_rkCinlmIdXkLqw2PyRYE_l2HRy1ghQEEHuTnvfS4XVi_j_mfo1 lefZuhNFR5j5Y4A.ufU3PFclL6zd7J_s09EMZCsdUJZ2tw8w.1a4Jq.OP8u5 HOk7SnTWSxlJ5biUHOQ1CzXQtlPaaal2tcV.FkoG3pVPp9TCsjK1AAVxk8AZ OwJbYoL2NeQGNI40rBbUC1umLQj3SGjGNlKqx1d1ghSQ9g7XH0y_0MiHfvca p_MF3E.khWQEtKMCItokNiDDHaEekFJmPAQt6JiJfIabLmC4DNeG5TnYAXm1 D1uPD1yQG X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:11:51 +0100 Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING In-Reply-To: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <20111214091151.E2E12AE0.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick, As i saw you are not only searching apps that are looping but anything that you may use in a looping context (sound sources). There's is now a "show" on sonicstate mentionning the great apps. I havn't had the time to watch yet but I think there are already 2 or 3 episodes. There are the sites http://en.440audio.com/software/ http://www.idesignsound.com/ Regarding the apps, have a look at : the new Geo apps from Rudess (based on the free mugician app), the korgs ims20 and electribe. soundprism thumbjam Curtis addictive synth (with a loop function). Sunrizer synthx crystal synth pixelwave and spectrumgen then on the midi/osc side of stuff: lemur miditouch touchOSC Konkreet little midi machine Welcome to this new world. Ben -------------------------------------------------- Rick Walker wrote: (14/12/2011 03:25) > I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. > It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning > what's out there. > > So far, I have added FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator Pro, the > amazing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, > the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. > > I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that > they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's > live looping performances, specifically. > > Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. > > yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 08:34:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB2461834A7; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1323851666; bh=grnxTn/3RVHnesR22qx0+AJ+7opeOL0l/IUgWWGWJps=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=xKdldIHvA1OzXj9aHL/JeS4WotHREXUr8qPOMeQaSV6UBVSZKKoV1rG8N1A3B+9AM65edDzHy3ssIZPCG/kjTc6CRbG86ar4XEjhQfZTnycGlkpjRZHSJ91drge2CbpCw99bp23PtzkpMgL/AwsddZZLvWdA9mbbkHJJRD2/i/A= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 164616.66188.bm@smtp145.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: aqjbZ1wVM1mtPRvEQWMLRGJ6tdLgUdFJgH5tKGwcBGqZ1D4 QgDqoZhIc7P5PPkC3Pc6HV198DLr5jZLddfLLo1ioeNXHFJ4ImdzFTFcFmpQ mDhYssyRBcXIjKf93mQ4_HQZNkmo_X1udoXG8S.gygHUf0X_NIFjZAz8b8XP Hix6DrIFjCj_y45HdIvI775cNfWI60bhYf8LHt8jc0JPUh8HXHBN3GlDZy6y jpK2dIGfMhYNXAvWjd5Kj27M65f1Bw5YXq4hUs8YKOh_l8bgWYOtrzh4ZH6d TUf.eVIpdRRvZr5OnhD8N_NTwRuJsHr_njTOxA91c75Zf5Rs51wk3Oc9uXlD QHxTbI7WJsQj6rdY_pEb1ii4VbetQ4FJFy8Yfj2oOfghgsSiF7eg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:34:25 +0100 Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? In-Reply-To: References: <1AC73BDF-F2E4-476B-99F9-BA93063FBE8F@gmail.com> Message-Id: <20111214093425.BA531830.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: <79Be-D.A.JnG.T-F6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:34:27 +0000 (UTC) This reminds me of the first advertising from clavia "no sample inside" when they launch the VA hype in '95-'96 :-) Ben -------------------------------------------------- Phil Clevenger wrote: (14/12/2011 08:47) > +1 > > :) > > On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > > > > On 14 Dec 2011, at 04:24, mark francombe wrote: > >> > >> On 14 Dec 2011, at 08:01, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> > >>> so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving function! > >> > >> that would be a "feature" In my book! > >> > > LOL > > its an attitude maybe? like a tatoo meaning "I am a hard guy" :-) > > and eventually it becomes a flag for the public: where they see that shiny machine, the musician is not cheating :-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 09:04:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78A2F1834AA; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=5czxBqYhpk3OZJ3p/UifFSzuETBMod+nmQTia7hMD2s=; b=AsvwHWRIcMcYxBfdbMUQaQJQyv4uTZ+44CWzXNbhQpt8vHxNa/2Ss/kC7ldEngmD0d BT6Q6/RDVdIavGu6g4jxZl1Z7aFvTom672b4eauHiHPkT2rkxiMngtgEDMTeDwfU1/Fr p0BW8S7fm4Av/l/IZmjmMfcqDWqKOwFAk5q+A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:03:56 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8E01_6HecDNhIwZV1yLABOH1jRY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cass County Waltz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305640cf0d4ff704b409a7d9 Resent-Message-ID: <-OXSU.A.T9G.SaG6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:04:18 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305640cf0d4ff704b409a7d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:05 AM, William Walker wrote: > Ok Mark so don't give me compliments.... don't prop up my (depending on > your point of view) fragile, or inflated ego. see what I care, you rat > bastard... would you at least throw me a like on Youtube? is that so much > to ask mate? > warm fuzzy hugs to ya > Bill > Its not that Bill, its just that the dictionary is running out of superlatives... But ok.. Another Abso-fuck-In-sane-O-fabuliscious performance by BIll.. M.. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf305640cf0d4ff704b409a7d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:05 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> = wrote: =A0Ok Mark so don't give me compliments.... don't prop up my (depending = on=20 your point of view) fragile, or inflated ego. =A0see what I care, you rat= =20 bastard... would you at least throw me a like on Youtube? is that so=20 much to ask mate? =A0w= arm fuzzy hugs to ya = =A0Bill =A0Its not that Bill, its just that the dictionary = is running out of superlatives... But ok.. Another Abso-fuck-In-sane= -O-fabuliscious performance by BIll.. M.. -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ <= /font> --20cf305640cf0d4ff704b409a7d9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 10:58:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E2FD1834AB; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j9T/YRlXkdBTimNtTwOvebyKyrxLtM7ZspuQOlCAgOc=; b=iIi/Wo35ay+mGhhYkqhj1OLXY+IGagM44SmBN3Ti6tF2MaJZ4P12FCfGHVubYBjpgs ljW4ZrWds0188GcL6IWs16Ty9GMC2hrIot5RGP6mDzku93uO7spdwZ8oDSStH8p1sPp8 pj6zVTmRusGxwMWTetd+g2qlXdcjASnUid7M0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:58:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Boss RC-30 and FS-6 switch for sale From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340dcb1cd0ce04b40b3f0f Resent-Message-ID: <_qpKoC.A.8-H.QFI6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:58:24 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340dcb1cd0ce04b40b3f0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi loopers! If there are any Finnish people nowadays on the list, I am selling my RC-30 and the switch that expands the functionality of the unit. also power included for the unit and cable for FS-6. All items in mint condition. Contact me off the list if youre interested and here's the ad on muusikoiden.net : http://muusikoiden.net/tori/nayta.php?id=587207 -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340dcb1cd0ce04b40b3f0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers! If there are any Finnish people nowadays on the list,I am selling my RC-30 and the switch that expands the functionality of the= unit. also power included for the unit and cable for FS-6. All items= in mint condition. Contact me off the list if youre interested and here's the ad on= muusikoiden.net : http://muusikoiden.net/= tori/nayta.php?id=3D587207 -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340dcb1cd0ce04b40b3f0f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 11:03:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CCF81834AA; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=txS33NiSNGUkb3euuDypPZC0KrrOVoSGgIgp7LTjPfQ=; b=kQ+Ae5p8fLuuQ8+0re1Z4KC/0+NoWeHXEj8rAzMj2GibJ7GDaHAMavUTRhanqGlgO8 N+ozQ3TtWX4SnnX+Q8Hfq4NaODylKr6qZOKBntcWfm2KGmm3bCZMfm+gOWeFW+qJvX+k TFde4vUtSqP9QvuRXQnZPqd8/kkJQPzVytnjo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:03:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cass County Waltz From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934105302c07304b40b516a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:03:24 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934105302c07304b40b516a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very much agreed!!!! > Another Abso-fuck-In-sane-O-fabuliscious performance by BIll.. > > > M.. > > > --14dae934105302c07304b40b516a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very much agreed!!!! Another Abso-fuck-In-sane-O-fabuliscious performance by = BIll.. M.. --14dae934105302c07304b40b516a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 11:29:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 156AE1834B0; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE88874.1050001@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:28:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marcus kirby CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: LP2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:29:00 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, marcus kirby wrote: > How much will the lp-2 cost? Is the midi sync solic? $300. Midi sync is solid both ways. Check the archives for several posts I've made about it's pretty wonderful feature set. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 13:34:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56EAE1834B3; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=n4xVoBlzo2+Plh6yOh87n0jrgxfWp3cQpb8CH49eQwq8MxSU+nD484++YguIDeTX; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:32:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793a29e96f53ccdae21a95c9ec6e5da233350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Of course, I forgot that the iPad version was called LoopyHD..! It's excellent.. >Not positive, but I think Charles meant "Loopy HD" when he said Loopy2. > >-Myke > > > > > >On 2011-12-13, at 9:54 PM, chaz worm wrote: > >> I could have sworn I had Loopy2 (had the others). My iPad (I) got >>erased when I upgraded my iOS. Now when I try to find "Loopy2" in >>apps its not their. I bet it upstairs on desktop where I sync this. >> I'm snuggly ensconced in this triple quilted womb I've created for >>myself in my freezing house. >> >> I'm going nowhere. >> >> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >> Electric Light Opry >> http://ChazWorm.com >> http://ELOpry.com >> http://HankZeppelin.com >> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >> >> >> On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> >>> The best I've seen are: Loopy2, Everyday Looper and the TC >>>voice jam, in order of preference. >>> >>>> I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. >>>> It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning >>>> what's out there. >>>> >>>> So far, I have added FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator >>>>Pro, the amazing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, >>>> the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. >>>> >>>> I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that >>>> they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's >>>> live looping performances, specifically. >>>> >>>> Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. >>>> >>>> yours, Rick Walker >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ... >>> http://www.zmix.net >>> >>> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >>> >>> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >>> >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 14:39:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749AF1834B6; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DnXdZvavxTxri8UgD1WdiELoYExhPxwOFQUWb0oriz8=; b=mPs0Cxs7w0x7jSZEYFR8e81ZCl6UHGQUQzTWNSkR9Mlqvy6UX166FxA9fhVbjqs85u BMLdExE8wu/Gr3Ivs+5tlzKKzt2oZz80hH9k3srtl+E9SuFVYSIIM2b/BE1aYaihIrBs 4K7yZua2kc/lzfXEm9z7c1Yur2IkFX/Kn3uYI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:39:44 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > since I think of myself as the creator of this function its a pleasure to > read what great users think about it! > its the one function I used a lot personally > and I often felt the desire to change the short base loop after the > multiplication, which is possible if multiply happens on a new track and > thus only could be done with two EDPs > then again I love unrounded multiply too... does it work on several tracks > in some apps? Great to read you chiming in on this, Matthias! I may try answering those questions for Mobius, since I've been using that looper a lot over the recent years. If "unrounded multiply" would include closing Multiply mode by Record it does not work over several tracks (for parallel loops) in Mobius. But Mobius has another way to achieve the same result: to apply the Instant Multiply or Instant Divide command while having activated the Focus Lock for a number of tracks. Since Mobius is a multi track looper the track you chose for creating the first loop becomes the Master Track and it is according to this track's cycle length all other track are realigning for track sync. But there is a command to change the Master Track during a looping session. If the new Master Track has been modified by "unrounded multiply" I assume the result will be a new tempo and a new cycle length as the quantization grid for the rest of the session (if that was what you meant by "change the short base loop"?) > so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving function! I second that decision. Today's world is already full of recording devices, so there's no need to clutter up a performance instrument with that function. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 14:48:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 908C41834AF; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c+UZbji5AV2JgTUDHjeC+jhk6JMXR8lV4YhQdYkvKi4=; b=J+JhyuHFyokP1wd1PCs7yWpJ1HV9aZunE7CfYLVRwZ0P8beJCuAgu5hjvadl17fL2C /KEPZ0HT4po1ZUj0sL+fWFS3Ch/Hvi8uYRMntzQZNYyKJWca6y9Ah+Rq8SDDTBINJqDE iQ5C3m9FmyvFutAmOLBYJ12I5+zrQrKu7J/Ek= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111214093425.BA531830.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> References: <1AC73BDF-F2E4-476B-99F9-BA93063FBE8F@gmail.com> <20111214093425.BA531830.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:47:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:48:00 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Ben wrote: > This reminds me of the first advertising from clavia "no sample > inside" when they launch the VA hype in '95-'96 :-) > Ben Ha, ha... yes, I remembered that period. The tendency back the was that producers were sick of the quantized and repetitious elements coming form basing sound design on samples so the expectations on pure algorithm driven engines were unrealistically high, like if that would bring back the sonic magic of the analog era into digital gear. IMHO that is where we are at today, but it took a lot longer time than we hoped for in -95. And funnily sample based sound design is cool again today. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 15:00:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E2301834B8; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:34:25 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T, Jim Hobbs, Eric Rosenthal,Dave Bryant, Junko Simons Dec 16 Outpost 186 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 on Friday at 8 PM. -- I'll be doing video improvisations with four superb musicians. Solo: Dave Bryant, piano Duet: Jim Hobbs, Alto, Eric Rosenthal, drums Quartet: Dave, Jim, Eric plus Junko Simons, cello. Dr. T -- Video Projections My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources a video mixer and effects processors. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 15:38:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 098371834BA; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 562 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:38:47 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAKe/6E4yaFeX/2dsb2JhbABDqyeCeT0CwU6Ib4I3YwSIMpIPjHw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,352,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="234135299" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.87.151] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.87.151 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: New EDP? Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:35:35 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <07cOfC.A.HCE.HMM6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Is there a new EDP currently in development? I seem to remember reading that there was, but I haven't heard anything recently. Can anyone enlighten me? Thank you. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 15:54:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4361834B6; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ufotPb4QGmIMP9VUp3ibNupHo8AUcGVF7RJ/Kjcjxn8=; b=lHwzBW3aGPqhTy9MluerXO5m8A43iM10fOi47XG5PD3EcM9Z2Wg3FFP7w6Ci4NABY2 ML2LTaggzJpP2B1wiIrMDgdTqaFO6nBwIeRyGhOJsUxq0bHGM5PnEamZs75Beqn14fwE iF0RunRmeMeR5A4lNC256Cn9p8uPuCjnFceVs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:54:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New EDP? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:54:02 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Is there a new EDP currently in development? I seem to remember reading that > there was, but I haven't heard anything recently. Can anyone enlighten me? Actually Matthias Grob mentioned the Evoloop on this list just an hour ago in the "Why Multiply" thread. Well, I did an internet search and found the URL at http://www.evoloop.org/ Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 16:00:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BA111834B1; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2025 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:00:20 UTC Message-ID: <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:28:17 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. > It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning > what's out there. > > So far, I have added FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator Pro, the > amazing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, > the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. > > I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that > they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's > live looping performances, specifically. > > Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. > > yours, Rick Walker This begs a question: How much processing (and as such which ipad version), is needed for (mostly) looping? I can't see looping requireing that much processing power - of course unless really mangling the tone, which I won't be doing. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 16:20:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99A941834BF; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 709317481/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.105/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.105 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAK7L6E5YbRdp/2dsb2JhbAAMN64eAQEBAwE4RgsLGAklDwJGHAGHdqQ5kwGIb4MaBJotjHE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,353,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="709317481" Message-ID: <4EE8CCD5.60408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:20:37 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed References: <4EE71B39.6060402@tiscali.co.uk> <4EE7E40D.6080203@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE7E40D.6080203@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote:.. >> about my use of 1/4, 4X function in the LP-2: >> >> "Sure, but the way *you* use the speed change while building up layers >> is a lot more interesting that the more common technique >> of "do a loop then half speed it", and I reckon that 1/4 >> speed works much better used in your way. " > > Well, I used it in a more experimental way............I notices that if > I kicked the presently recorded loop down to 1/4 speed > at random places, then I could play a really rapid set of notes in a > burst.............. there's a track on your Dayglow Green Plastic album done with electric bass which is pretty much an object lesson in the use of half speed (on the DL4) building up overdubbed layers at the 2 speeds >> >> right, so where does that rapid retriggering (stutter) sound >> come from? ...and I thought I heard those getting looped too. > Well, the unit does to Retrigger (continuous) so I probably used that as > well. hmmm, but 'Retrigger continuous' in LP2 speak just means a single retrigger that doesn't stop after one loop. >>> about playing ostinato rhyms with the new Random Retrigger function: >> >> "so it really needs a smooth loop for that to be perceivable " > Exactly..............this technique works best if you use non-transient > oriented loops (i.e., ambient styled, if dense timbrally) Sonically it's 'Scramble' but with a user input rhythm. First thing to try with your brand new LP2 is Retrig Random while Overdubbing. Wonder how long it'll be before someone wants it Quantised ;-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 16:50:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BDA61834C4; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uU/gVrANuJnxeX6fTZAVWvBKag07mW98/SRcA/UDCio=; b=mN3WbbtiucwooQN8j6HS6EJVj4UbcA/vC0cKJFX5vvm6OG+zY8H3j9okHvzPBi2yyN E17n4WgtpIkZNssrUl02IgBogogwjuvi2YIfrO4vpW7tgmuhPJUwlLmWQ7I3VfxN62FT QoBjGVOwCmM5IGi2tGKJu3dEFjB+BBdCRii6o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:50:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC) You wouldn't chose the iPad for gaining processing power, so it might as well be as good to focus on using it as a controller? Just the other day the Lemur iPad app was released and according to what early adopters say on the web this app now rules for touch screen control on a budget (referring to original Lemur price tag). I have not tried much of this myself though, as I prefer controllers that you can play without the need of gazing at them. If you want to use iPad apps that also process audio the challenge is to get good quality audio into and out of the iPad. The Alesis Dock is a piece of gear that does target this issue. Finally, if you want to play around with the built-in audio ports you may have to stand crappy fidelity for live input real-time processing or to chose not to work in real-time. There are apps that can render high quality audio files that can be exported, but to me that feels like going back to 1995 when we first did that on ReBirth (not a very intuitive work-flow as you need to plan ahead well) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:28 PM, van Sinn wrote= : > Rick Walker wrote: >> >> I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. >> It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning >> what's out there. >> >> So far, =C2=A0I have added =C2=A0 FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator P= ro, =C2=A0the >> amazing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, >> the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. >> >> I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that >> they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's >> live looping performances, specifically. >> >> Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. >> >> yours, =C2=A0 Rick Walker > > > This begs a question: How much processing (and as such which ipad version= ), > is > needed for (mostly) looping? > > I can't see looping requireing that much processing power - of course unl= ess > really mangling the tone, which I won't be doing. > > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 17:03:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BD561834C3; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 639125.93637.bm@omp1020.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1323882189; bh=A1EAkgeLSkjeWqWdUOAkN9YmgjEhRjNlpZpp23zMuyk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PB67FeGSm4RJyb6BnocLASRPdnADqKv8LROxhmNpg6qal6ao2T5uYgdQNNs7PG9z3ZD6ghVGX2Ftc3kqR+JS7O/PDaRjIIi0gckVS4ai0Jxdtfav0zymqloFR/j2WelDlWXxM/V+veP7NoPoUE6XfuzGMcUnVOosadahkf5fGYQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1ToJEs1S4BpGev4HWoe0c4NgeCrsZKeJ7+tY2gjKyTfc8Rs+lYc3Ey6NREByIlH4ktMLlGTbSdoNoi5JP8Xjufvg0vYIgx/b6KeTZWtqMkT9TqPlDtYc+nPmXY1m+opuiTydgvMMG1rWbHgI75/NZzchJxfyvgPJv8yhcPnVBsI=; X-YMail-OSG: 8ymLX_UVM1lUDjoCeztW20__MwTNxU56GQqzLTz2CXFm0Fz .CWqanl8Q_UECf5Wl1HFmxLPrp48amNXSfhZP4kv48K0zUJ0h5ko6QddK62O LY8WmEsmL8VPtQp0EFdAx3cvfeymZgJ2RGTyCh9nDJVxB4DUkv07Ce0Y3TeA GyAWLJUbnavk2mFxDlaboy6A4q_GxfXoIlnKYxcjcD3BGKdcVlTr.BZMeCJT iKtiqpA0W.flzXcQMBEW9SbuIS8CA8P..iZU.I.OLS3CVSKgwFp.z8KEtE03 DZb9ARpYP9A7GCuBxKeODLIhlTXRNg4WXhtI1sVl6e_2JOzvlT4L4wRS.574 LbITrog4cHJGKdIX_edu0a4K2zTOklNWwkYWZ2illh_NBjU.w6oCZOSxwWAT MMpq9IWtscCJLW9kDV2XoKX3Do_Sqm36RQ6Zc11yTwLcK8j7NZaUK6BERli. H_Q9JID.NKYCo X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1323882189.17979.YahooMailNeo@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:03:09 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-1803837677-1323882189=:17979" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:03:10 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-1803837677-1323882189=:17979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all:=0A=A0=0AI just picked up a Tascam DR-2d on a closeout for a very r= easonable price. The recording formats of this portable unit are varied and= full-featured. I remember recording at a very high resolution many years a= go and was awestruck by the clarity of the sound eminating from my speakers= . The guitar tones had much clarity. Of course, to listen to the music in a= portable format, I recorded to CD (16Bit/44.1Khz, I believe). =0A=A0=0ASo,= the question is: is there any advantage to recording the source at a highe= r rate (e.g. 24Bit/98Khz or 24Bit/44 Khz) when, ultimately, the songs will = be converted to CD quality?=0A=A0=0AOf course, the higher rate means fillin= g up SD cards quicker. But, they are fairly reasonable as far as cost. Opin= ions?=0A=A0=0AThanks, Paul ---2114655128-1803837677-1323882189=:17979 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all: I just picked up a Tascam DR-2d on a closeout fo= r a very reasonable price. The recording formats of this portable unit are = varied and full-featured. I remember recording at a very high resolution ma= ny years ago and was awestruck by the clarity of the sound eminating from my speakers. The guitar tones had much clarity= . Of course, to listen to the music in a portable format, I recorded to CD = (16Bit/44.1Khz, I believe). So, the question is: is there any advantage to r= ecording the source at a higher rate (e.g. 24Bit/98Khz or 24Bit/44 Khz) whe= n, ultimately, the songs will be converted to CD quality? Of course, the higher rate means filling up SD c= ards quicker. But, they are fairly reasonable as far as cost. Opinions? Thanks, Paul ---2114655128-1803837677-1323882189=:17979-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 17:09:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90A7A1834C5; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jRO5QJrzUVusaXdjK0CtQ3RhAKMfXwkxu9oFZqtuCCY=; b=kpNHuEQA00RsbljF+ShwQ7l3rZMNgF3RYeHhbDduRTeeuyjpIz09SKqmOLTncmHcYc lZVFxdxKOIriSt+0gXjiGsFqnvk1ukJrTvhhIoJMADxDTYrAg0StiAqSiQY54dkrHkNt QOb91TiiRR1/66Nn+FRJT4gaT+TOOPQIaaO68= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1323882189.17979.YahooMailNeo@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1323882189.17979.YahooMailNeo@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:09:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording From: Dennis Moser To: Paul Richards Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:09:36 +0000 (UTC) "Record once, edit many." You can't realistically uprez the recording, so if you have the storage, go ahead and use the 24bit capability=85you can always down-rez to 64 kbitMP3 later =85 :D Seriously? I noticed a tremendous difference with field recordings when I bumped my TASCAM DR-100 to full 24-bit/96kHz. There was so much more there to work with later... Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > Hi, all: > > I just picked up a Tascam DR-2d on a closeout for a very reasonable price= . > The recording formats of this portable unit are varied and full-featured.= I > remember recording at a very high resolution many years ago and was > awestruck by the clarity of the sound eminating from my speakers. The gui= tar > tones had much clarity. Of course, to listen to the music in a portable > format, I recorded to CD (16Bit/44.1Khz, I believe). > > So, the question is: is there any advantage to recording the source at a > higher rate (e.g. 24Bit/98Khz or 24Bit/44 Khz) when, ultimately, the song= s > will be converted to CD quality? > > Of course, the higher rate means filling up SD cards quicker. But, they a= re > fairly reasonable as far as cost. Opinions? > > Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 17:34:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA7B31834C8; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 763728.79344.bm@smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xnnP..UVM1nZF5UudHbnGy2uj8xQr.Kb7C9m_vQV3LyURxC h8Z_s2suVu7mQaztjJBKBvJFPgwf5dWm0652VDW4vRJnuqI3Fm9cLyEk8p3G CVAjZ.42S5oExBHxLBeB3AiZ4lCOQus2fCEqIsMtvKGJ76ZQHyjCet0Y_wvj wKS6U9InuWHsJj5fkRnkA0aTXWW1r5A7FfB1bELXBZDqd2Btcc6pOMyidM7S cDB9JKePa_etmV6T8LBSgmsdEhDx0VgpvNNGMBDhWlaOOulr.TLRYx23mJaa gyLryIS2inUXOY8GBlkjD.OB7kMMGGpbDyjVnpuFI5dSL8U0qIk2_gPjQVo2 1UScCFHzpXJ.7lYRFP8nhPrCSWTIp6PzSXCjZZV4TtcKFWl.tA1Y3BtMdI7b kDYdQfcISqDIJPWl.slKubpoUASqMcQ5WMvuuxejXowMioePp1MHOWnK2i_8 hq7In9j87fHxTAShwb3ePPQpmzaYF.oYPvb8IlG5nkaoZAI2WDUkKAaUdPmH YeifI_xOAMUTpkxgKd4vilSDpq7XrVbGbRaXzBMOXERN9pXBDFe4a6M_RK9d npQdZJVDOqRswKfmUvlxQYGwUiagG X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--168003504 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:34:23 -0800 References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:34:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--168003504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding Per's suggestion for using an iPad as a controller surface, there are some folks who are using iPads to control church organ voicings wirelessly in this way, and it should be pretty easy to adapt it for live looping use I would think. For using iPad on a wireless network as a controller surface, there's an app called Desktop Connect which discovers computers on a wireless network. It also includes support for Easyconnect which is supposed to work over the internet via a googlemail account and is free. There's another iPad app called Air Display which displays your computer's screen on the iPad so you can control it in real time wirelessly. I guess I could use this to display Mobius on the iPad, and then have touch-screen capability to control it! Man, I've got to get an iPad. I could walk around with it rather than using a pedal or the computer's keyboard to build my loops. I'm concerned about latency working through a network, though. There is also an app called TouchOSC which you can use, which has a corresponding desktop app for OS X or Windows. You can create a layout of your own with "switches, faders, LED's, etc." to use as a MIDI control surface. It supports muti-touch and sweeping. Here is an example of a layout that was created to allow controlling a church organ, which can be pretty complex with all of the stops, manuals, and so forth involved. http://www.flickr.com/photos/11042821@N00/5953445348/ Has anyone used these for live looping, and if so what has been your experience? Thanks. Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Dec 14, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > You wouldn't chose the iPad for gaining processing power, so it might > as well be as good to focus on using it as a controller? Just the > other day the Lemur iPad app was released and according to what early > adopters say on the web this app now rules for touch screen control on > a budget (referring to original Lemur price tag). I have not tried > much of this myself though, as I prefer controllers that you can play > without the need of gazing at them. > > If you want to use iPad apps that also process audio the challenge is > to get good quality audio into and out of the iPad. The Alesis Dock is > a piece of gear that does target this issue. > > Finally, if you want to play around with the built-in audio ports you > may have to stand crappy fidelity for live input real-time processing > or to chose not to work in real-time. There are apps that can render > high quality audio files that can be exported, but to me that feels > like going back to 1995 when we first did that on ReBirth (not a very > intuitive work-flow as you need to plan ahead well) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:28 PM, van Sinn > wrote: >> Rick Walker wrote: >>> >>> I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. >>> It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning >>> what's out there. >>> >>> So far, I have added FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator Pro, >>> the >>> amazing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, >>> the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. >>> >>> I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that >>> they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's >>> live looping performances, specifically. >>> >>> Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. >>> >>> yours, Rick Walker >> >> >> This begs a question: How much processing (and as such which ipad >> version), >> is >> needed for (mostly) looping? >> >> I can't see looping requireing that much processing power - of >> course unless >> really mangling the tone, which I won't be doing. >> >> >> -- >> rgds, >> van Sinn >> >> > > --Apple-Mail-1--168003504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regarding Per's suggestion for = using an iPad as a controller surface, there are some folks who are = using iPads to control church organ voicings wirelessly in this way, and = it should be pretty easy to adapt it for live looping use I would = think. For using iPad on a wireless network as a = controller surface, there's an app called Desktop Connect which = discovers computers on a wireless network. It also includes support for = Easyconnect which is supposed to work over the internet via a googlemail = account and is free. There's another iPad app = called Air Display which displays your computer's screen on the iPad so = you can control it in real time wirelessly. I guess I could use = this to display Mobius on the iPad, and then have touch-screen = capability to control it! Man, I've got to get an iPad. I = could walk around with it rather than using a pedal or the computer's = keyboard to build my loops. I'm concerned about latency working = through a network, though. There is also = an app called TouchOSC which you can use, which has a corresponding = desktop app for OS X or Windows. You can create a layout of your = own with "switches, faders, LED's, etc." to use as a MIDI control = surface. It supports muti-touch and sweeping. Here is an = example of a layout that was created to allow controlling a church = organ, which can be pretty complex with all of the stops, manuals, and = so forth involved. http://www.= flickr.com/photos/11042821@N00/5953445348/ Has = anyone used these for live looping, and if so what has been your = experience? Thanks. Michael = Carlson = (TripleOhNine) = Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Dec = 14, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Per Boysen wrote: You = wouldn't chose the iPad for gaining processing power, so it might as = well be as good to focus on using it as a controller? Just the other = day the Lemur iPad app was released and according to what = early adopters say on the web this app now rules for touch screen = control on a budget (referring to original Lemur price tag). I have = not tried much of this myself though, as I prefer controllers that = you can play without the need of gazing at them. If you want = to use iPad apps that also process audio the challenge is to get good = quality audio into and out of the iPad. The Alesis Dock is a piece of = gear that does target this issue. Finally, if you want to play = around with the built-in audio ports you may have to stand crappy = fidelity for live input real-time processing or to chose not to work = in real-time. There are apps that can render high quality audio files = that can be exported, but to me that feels like going back to 1995 = when we first did that on ReBirth (not a very intuitive work-flow as = you need to plan ahead well) Greetings from Sweden Per = Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.yout= ube.com/perboysen On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:28 PM, van = Sinn <vansinn@post.cybercity.dk> wrote: Rick Walker wrote: I've been lent an iPad2 to use = for a while. It's a new world for me and I'm = really enjoying learning what's out = there. So far, I have added = FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator Pro, = the amazing SampleWiz and = MorphWiz, the Filtatron Moog synth app and = the Animoog app. I was wondering what other apps = people have discovered that they can highly recommend for = apps to augment one's live looping performances, = specifically. Thanks, in advance for your = expertise and recommendations. yours, Rick = Walker This begs a = question: How much processing (and as such which ipad = version), is needed for = (mostly) looping? I can't see = looping requireing that much processing power - of course = unless really mangling the = tone, which I won't be doing. -- rgds, van = Sinn = = --Apple-Mail-1--168003504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 17:39:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A531834CA; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--167675035 From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <1323882189.17979.YahooMailNeo@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:39:52 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: References: <1323882189.17979.YahooMailNeo@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <2bOkTC.A.xlG.q9N6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:39:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--167675035 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I record all my gigs at 96-24. Better to archive, and better to produce, = in high-res and downsample at the last stage. On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > So, the question is: is there any advantage to recording the source at = a higher rate (e.g. 24Bit/98Khz or 24Bit/44 Khz) when, ultimately, the = songs will be converted to CD quality? > =20 > Of course, the higher rate means filling up SD cards quicker. But, = they are fairly reasonable as far as cost. Opinions? > =20 >=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail-7--167675035 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii So, = the question is: is there any advantage to recording the source at a = higher rate (e.g. 24Bit/98Khz or 24Bit/44 Khz) when, ultimately, the = songs will be converted to CD quality? Of course, the higher rate = means filling up SD cards quicker. But, they are fairly reasonable as = far as cost. Opinions? david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com= Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: = http://www.flickr.com/photos/d= gans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans = --Apple-Mail-7--167675035-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 17:55:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 420501834CC; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Bdw+VeiO5rm97tVXoy06Nt32ZYyat+hFXL9o0spj8ds=; b=d5WwfxY1Y0A2RUcvI5tn9wwdKUIl8zhnNkZg2n5lt9BAFmbJlWT/GDaxSsTE8mbhSj kyPmDqTF9C0KdKToMjehAZLCS+ersQBhuGvz923Dfc2+FJCDvw9tDZUsi/KAwTlYWFJR XMbeF6f16E+2gDfnMZiFx6Usp4lu122LETD24= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:55:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:55:44 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:34 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Has anyone used these for live looping, and if so what has been your > experience? =C2=A0Thanks. Hi Michael, Not for looping in specific, but when TouchOSC native support was new to Logic I tried using my iPhone4 to control Logic over wireless. I did not experience any disturbing latency, it felt just like pushing buttons on a transport bar (play, stop, rewind, mute track etc). Note that this is about controlling software that supports OSC. I don't dare to tell what the latency would be if having to translate OSC into MIDI on the receiving side, like was done a lot before OSC support became the norm (OSCulator, Missing Linke etc). I remember reading some note from Jeff Larsson that he has bee working on native OSC support for Mobius, so I guess you will be using that when it gets out? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 17:56:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 634561834CE; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=syUJUCKAmxcZIOKUeXot5oYlcl4j/hxOZNhdmGAhxxs= c=1 sm=2 a=xpYlZYvOZ14A:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=8nWLDbZmAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=Wv-uf-ngqI6KIf5LBoQA:9 a=21Oxe-42B_IOrdN7cksA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Jv5tSrc8hP8A:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=VdKY1qZVxq3kaXeeLhYA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 99.199.170.224 Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--166691614 From: richard sales In-Reply-To: <1323882189.17979.YahooMailNeo@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:56:15 -0800 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-Id: <6285A89F-7A56-42BF-884E-92C2E7366F94@glasswing.com> References: <1323882189.17979.YahooMailNeo@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Paul Richards X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:56:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--166691614 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes there is good reason. There are many, including archiving for = possible upgrades in hi res players of the future and in the event you = should ever need the higher res surround DVD format, but most important = is, the higher the quality of the initial recording, the better the mp3 = or 16/44.1 will sound. =20 I think 24/44.1 sounds terrific and use that a lot for tracking. If you're recording gorgeous solo acoustic guitar stuff, 24/88.1 is = good. =20 I use Bias Peak to convert to lower res. =20 I haven't used it myself, but I've heard this one: http://www.sonnoxplugins.com/pub/plugins/products/pro-codec.htm is terrific because you can HEAR or audition what's being thrown out in = down sampling. It's by the fine folks of Fraunhofer who brought us mp3 = in the first place. All of this has been flamed and argued so much it's best to put on your = asbestos suit when approaching the topic. =20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > Hi, all: > =20 > I just picked up a Tascam DR-2d on a closeout for a very reasonable = price. The recording formats of this portable unit are varied and = full-featured. I remember recording at a very high resolution many years = ago and was awestruck by the clarity of the sound eminating from my = speakers. The guitar tones had much clarity. Of course, to listen to the = music in a portable format, I recorded to CD (16Bit/44.1Khz, I believe). > =20 > So, the question is: is there any advantage to recording the source at = a higher rate (e.g. 24Bit/98Khz or 24Bit/44 Khz) when, ultimately, the = songs will be converted to CD quality? > =20 > Of course, the higher rate means filling up SD cards quicker. But, = they are fairly reasonable as far as cost. Opinions? > =20 > Thanks, Paul --Apple-Mail-9--166691614 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Yes = there is good reason. There are many, including archiving for = possible upgrades in hi res players of the future and in the event you = should ever need the higher res surround DVD format, but most important = is, the higher the quality of the initial recording, the better the mp3 = or 16/44.1 will sound. I think 24/44.1 sounds = terrific and use that a lot for tracking. If you're = recording gorgeous solo acoustic guitar stuff, 24/88.1 is good. = I use Bias Peak to convert to lower res. = I haven't used it myself, but I've heard = this one: h= ttp://www.sonnoxplugins.com/pub/plugins/products/pro-codec.htm is terrific because you can HEAR or audition = what's being thrown out in down sampling. It's by the fine folks = of Fraunhofer who brought us mp3 in the first = place. All of this has been flamed and argued = so much it's best to put on your asbestos suit when approaching the = topic. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com= www.hayleysales.com Hi, = all: I just picked up a Tascam DR-2d on a closeout = for a very reasonable price. The recording formats of this portable unit = are varied and full-featured. I remember recording at a very high = resolution many years ago and was awestruck by the clarity of the sound = eminating from my speakers. The guitar = tones had much clarity. Of course, to listen to the music in a portable = format, I recorded to CD (16Bit/44.1Khz, I believe). So, the question is: is there any advantage = to recording the source at a higher rate (e.g. 24Bit/98Khz or 24Bit/44 = Khz) when, ultimately, the songs will be converted to CD quality? Of course, the higher rate means filling up = SD cards quicker. But, they are fairly reasonable as far as cost. = Opinions? Thanks, = Paul = --Apple-Mail-9--166691614-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 18:12:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 960C61834C8; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 876642.90652.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1323886328; bh=fnkvdboX0Pv0B8IxlxD6tNaxmyamjQ/yHMafIAlNRtc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=aw/BhkFOCtrfPzQ5z6oKOkMleY3W51v6oU3J9UpleSKF5G5zvUwLfNHK+5dlpkeea44ObWLdE7dyXjR0qSUzeMdkpaDNeOoMLKq/UlZ+Q+eVbNzmjcLpbRUBCvR8OMxr1MamTG4y0TE2U/dV3r4jicldzQ4d1PcisyqIny0vi0s= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: kF.TZeEVM1l1FthSjxqIGX8HWNKQxPSn37lId3kpS5LR8Qo l_EREALXiX0c_gCCqYWqRwYwf6l0GA.L0Rag5BPZcYe2Qv3TgM96f9C0PRz7 2syUy2DT0B0g279Z.Iww9tePzxA6GAohRnjDu1tFnHepWzQbijC3Yu8LKxSR f6lz9aaqU0KjDlxbjd2lcJFK9I_rIJz0IHJaqfxB.J2.98JHTrhs8ZKkLsMx auCH0ncFLE071OV90sU2n1Y35JLSYVlM0ADm1b5YV5PLYL3VwRvhTVKbtco_ 2YR7qS.LOtcCKV28kciBaf4ldSMFoS3cNThNHmNub0O4ipNJHisJCN1EAdz8 gnF8vXjL3nMbS5.s1du.SJse4z3UwdVL1apA87kBXxlWTrveW1HHvzSsz_g2 2Ar8Zg2YYftkWcwC0zlhGLXak82ZR00jN2mrt7RDvGy8o9foSL3b85nyxxC3 5KEKiCYlcQPj.WAMql6n7SAJpaXkr5nL3PP4IFJHyQ_ucs5ijhp_SFZI22gf D X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <21E1332B-205C-405E-9BEA-D61E5FF244AF@carlsonarts.com> From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:12:06 -0800 References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Oh, yeah! I can't wait. I think I want to stick with Mobius, even though there are iPad and iPhone apps out there that you can use to loop. Mobius is so much more powerful, and if I can keep that power and add touchscreen capability and portability of control surface, i will be well on my way to vocal looping world domination. I want to be the Bobby McFerrin of the 21st Century! Michael On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:34 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> > wrote: >> Has anyone used these for live looping, and if so what has been your >> experience? Thanks. > > > Hi Michael, > > Not for looping in specific, but when TouchOSC native support was new > to Logic I tried using my iPhone4 to control Logic over wireless. I > did not experience any disturbing latency, it felt just like pushing > buttons on a transport bar (play, stop, rewind, mute track etc). Note > that this is about controlling software that supports OSC. I don't > dare to tell what the latency would be if having to translate OSC into > MIDI on the receiving side, like was done a lot before OSC support > became the norm (OSCulator, Missing Linke etc). > > I remember reading some note from Jeff Larsson that he has bee working > on native OSC support for Mobius, so I guess you will be using that > when it gets out? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 18:14:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C0E71834CE; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-6(zz1432Nzz1202hzzz2fh2a8h668h839h944h63h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:207.46.4.139;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0402HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail143-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 207.46.4.139 as permitted sender) client-ip=207.46.4.139; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0402HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING Thread-Topic: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING Thread-Index: AQHMugeb7+cV3bLrVECmrbFR2FQ0m5XbdfGAgAAW3ACAAAxggIAABfaA//+gpIA= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:14:27 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [173.226.147.242] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4D5DE27A1E161940BA0256E0B58B405B@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) >[Per] >> I remember reading some note from Jeff Larsson that he has bee working >> on native OSC support for Mobius > >Yes, Mobius supports OSC. You can send it looping commands, change >presets,=20 >set the controls (input level, output level, feedback, etc.) and a few >other things. > >It's a bit experimental and I don't advertise it, but I have tested it >with TouchOSC. > >Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 19:24:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37B91834D1; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=osFELGgKMde4Op52jdpyDvwv50wqF7shyKw9XWdC4hM=; b=nZgcw/PDMLw2IBWzMlgi+68rE0yua2g+jM++/Jx/zu1c7W18KRJclnq3K8EtYfh+8I SRKKI7PEz+1iYNmqBibkJ+nuWHwjhkOvClYcWKn2UrvZv9coteM+FyJahZC+1lv+zffc TjIRy67z9/9m62vNlhuZ1BCLNCcgaCzcuv4xo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <21E1332B-205C-405E-9BEA-D61E5FF244AF@carlsonarts.com> References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <21E1332B-205C-405E-9BEA-D61E5FF244AF@carlsonarts.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:24:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9Y4VKB.A.S0.CgP6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:24:50 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:12 PM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > and if I can keep that power and add touchscreen capability and portabili= ty > of control surface, i will be well on my way to vocal looping world > domination. =C2=A0I want to be the Bobby McFerrin of the 21st Century! LOL! Now we've got that on print in the archives!!!! Looking forward to that new vocal looping dominated world. Must be what the Mayan's mumbled about to happen on Dec 21 2012 :-) I dug your layering of throat singing at SC loopfest in October. Really cool sounding. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 20:12:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3B361834D8; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 17169 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:12:43 UTC Message-ID: <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:14:35 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for comments Per et al. Hehe, no, I wasn't exactly thinking of the iPad as a DSP add-on.. ;) I'm aware of the useless audio, and would use some outboard shizzle, like the Alesis dock - which may just end up rendering the whole shebang too expensive. Oh.. and the size of such a dock could also render the project useless. Anyways, before even starting to consider the financial parts, I'd need to know if the iPad can actually cope with handling looping. You can pretty much tell I do not have an iPad yet ;) I'd also need to know if such a (iPad+loopapp+dock) package can be controlled via MIDI, as I'd want to use my Groundcontrol floorboard for this. I'm less worried about latency. As I see it, looping is a matter of snooping the direct audio, loop it, and add/sum the loop onto the direct stream. Not sure what the latency would be, but say 10 ms both in and out shouldn't be too annoying. I would happily build a Y-splitter and summing point, if needed. /van Per Boysen wrote: > You wouldn't chose the iPad for gaining processing power, so it might > as well be as good to focus on using it as a controller? Just the > other day the Lemur iPad app was released and according to what early > adopters say on the web this app now rules for touch screen control on > a budget (referring to original Lemur price tag). I have not tried > much of this myself though, as I prefer controllers that you can play > without the need of gazing at them. > > If you want to use iPad apps that also process audio the challenge is > to get good quality audio into and out of the iPad. The Alesis Dock is > a piece of gear that does target this issue. > > Finally, if you want to play around with the built-in audio ports you > may have to stand crappy fidelity for live input real-time processing > or to chose not to work in real-time. There are apps that can render > high quality audio files that can be exported, but to me that feels > like going back to 1995 when we first did that on ReBirth (not a very > intuitive work-flow as you need to plan ahead well) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:28 PM, van Sinn wrote: > >>Rick Walker wrote: >> >>>I've been lent an iPad2 to use for a while. >>>It's a new world for me and I'm really enjoying learning >>>what's out there. >>> >>>So far, I have added FL Studio Mobile HD, the Kaossilator Pro, the >>>amazing SampleWiz and MorphWiz, >>>the Filtatron Moog synth app and the Animoog app. >>> >>>I was wondering what other apps people have discovered that >>>they can highly recommend for apps to augment one's >>>live looping performances, specifically. >>> >>>Thanks, in advance for your expertise and recommendations. >>> >>>yours, Rick Walker >> >> >>This begs a question: How much processing (and as such which ipad version), >>is >>needed for (mostly) looping? >> >>I can't see looping requireing that much processing power - of course unless >>really mangling the tone, which I won't be doing. >> >> >>-- >>rgds, >>van Sinn -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 20:28:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 241E71834D9; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=N2oBH2oYW8xzi9Q3gC2ZPrqetsxrB0jlhPOPKFZdUqI=; b=GS6+Kji8WBhtr9Dv4nUTGycu3/A7aipHm038ewBMKA3khqc1l1b3If9l8SVneAeXTU ugUOyhWh+hg+QqoVaf1uKVkvmGIqcjuqT+2Q6bf+gYoUDhiuuWRqGf3e6v3lRFlOA26b h0fJqy32hNZODxtWeMwf6yJe5gqwmUfhrFOGM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:28:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:28:10 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:14 PM, van Sinn wrote: > Anyways, before even starting to consider the financial parts, I'd need to > know if the iPad can actually cope with handling looping. Loopy should be well known by now on this list. A demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GgiVhTB_yA Dev's page: http://loopyapp.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 21:11:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 987321834D7; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE910E6.5050406@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:11:02 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed References: <4EE8CCD5.60408@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EE8CCD5.60408@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:11:09 +0000 (UTC) >>> ANDY: >>> right, so where does that rapid retriggering (stutter) sound >>> come from? ...and I thought I heard those getting looped too. > ME: > Well, the unit does to Retrigger (continuous) so I probably used that > as well. > ANDY: > hmmm, but 'Retrigger continuous' in LP2 speak just means a single > retrigger > that doesn't stop after one loop. ME: *Yeah, but I frequently use a stutter action with my foot to retrigger using that technique..........it will still cause the stutter effect but I can let it go and it will continue on. Before, with the line 6 you had to do that and then right before the end of the loop you had to do a tricky little rapid stop/start move to get the loop to continue. Does that answer your question? Rick * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 21:17:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 214811834DA; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:17:22 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2pMFc.A.g_C.nJR6OB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:17:27 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans wrote: > I record all my gigs at 96-24. Better to archive, and better to > produce, in high-res and downsample at the last stage. What I've always wondered: Does a recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 sound better than a recording sampled only at 44-16, initially. And if so, what's the logic? Daniel Thomas once explained the answer to me a long time ago, but I have completely forgotten what he told me. Please forgive the brain fart. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 21:20:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5828C1834DD; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EE91300.8010604@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:20:00 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING References: <20111214091151.E2E12AE0.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <20111214091151.E2E12AE0.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Wow, rock my world, thanks, Ben! Rick On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Ben wrote: > Hi Rick, > > As i saw you are not only searching apps that are looping but anything > that you may use in a looping context (sound sources). > There's is now a "show" on sonicstate mentionning the great apps. I > havn't had the time to watch yet but I think there are already 2 or 3 > episodes. > > There are the sites > http://en.440audio.com/software/ > http://www.idesignsound.com/ > > Regarding the apps, have a look at : > the new Geo apps from Rudess (based on the free mugician app), > the korgs ims20 and electribe. > soundprism > thumbjam > Curtis > addictive synth (with a loop function). > Sunrizer > synthx > crystal synth > pixelwave and spectrumgen > > then on the midi/osc side of stuff: > lemur > miditouch > touchOSC > Konkreet > little midi machine > > > Welcome to this new world. > > Ben > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 21:31:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 565891834E2; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=t4J95UIlblFc4FcHu9MlVVC5t+oxKM1q7hRwBOi9VZA=; b=t2GlLvotCUgj8TJEG8IwIwt0sbghDi6eyREugwiR7FUj07RBFVEQ1PHebHi4HP4Auk 7jGIJ1NmQXfZ1PheyDYpvLJIl5AnmWkW/xNrOxgMlWQ42L+YZFNftcicCATg1GX988SV 9hncIlLJlMoMXlu5Uv6sus4ifGT85j/D4w+7c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:31:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: OT: is really OT: Cigarette From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba0dbc9642904b41416d0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:31:22 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba0dbc9642904b41416d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is really OT, there is no looping in sight here whatsoever http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/cigarette Selling my gear and going back to basics with voice and acoustic, after experimenting with VST-music and loopers for a year, -- Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f3ba0dbc9642904b41416d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is really OT, there is no looping in sight here whatsoever http://soundcloud.com= /petrilahtinen/cigarette Selling my gear and going back to basic= s with voice and acoustic, after experimenting with VST-music and loopers f= or a year, -- Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f3ba0dbc9642904b41416d0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:01:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B87A1834E3; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+xMOnOd6hiWtX3O3LX+dBmUQoZt15wcBgj4VgCIhZF8=; b=vrKF0HQhUFheo/+vSqI3N2HnbrEjDFoipBOl6QEOaOTXbGJQPqqnYMpJSlWtFUpCSv YSylOho9t3m/kDLMkb1uD1XP2zuxW4gH7DRHurXp/8KjtzU4dUFSL8NKgvd4CrpJysbG v6M6RhNqppcWSjJ0O3xIBXH/DRwaBrp1K5YBc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:01:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: is really OT: Cigarette From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:01:21 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/cigarette Nice song, Petri! I like the way you keep the vocals so straight and let the guitar playing ramble around a bit. You know, with such strong vocals you may be able to reduce the guitar playing even more. I heard you doing some maj-7 harmony where it isn't part of the melody so you're already on that experimental track ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:07:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D916D1834E1; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Y218sdNj5eQKewMEyhUg/+mY+HTKxGyYkB9dh1FXLoE=; b=P+cUqyzNdc+RgdhODZbA/OS0394TEqe9dvu2KxFki3lN7rwsAPynJ1HwZmZodzyTdH gLWmgIF+LQ3y6T0ibWeCGKbFoorQtLxzpBLeJU/VH2LFxPlSJbXW0gFacyg4HgkQt4Ya +Bg/BA0hpQMmgltLj4fK3wgvT7unT8NamHl3M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:07:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:07:53 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Does a recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 > sound better than a recording sampled only at 44-16, initially. In theory the latter would sound better since it only shuffles around the zeros and ones once. But this isn't true if you apply digital processing to a recording. Then the final mix will sound better if recorded at the higher resolution and the processing was carried out at that higher resolution before taking it down to 44-16 as the last step, compared to recording at the lower resolution and do the same processing at that lower resolution. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen - one iPad on each foot - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:21:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0B571834E7; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=rtjypBsfnqRr56qNhLND/RI2eGD08njSrOyQaB92Fs0=; b=e7pAb/GYy0VZhqzO3d7vtxYezl5nsmT4TB02N4mB7QnoGnsRo09ybIXMaJITdb486n JLniaaJYNEEM+hnQ2pJuoDJe6JiIm79B9x5SNtIA8/WVocck8BmpnO0NGy4Zl+B53I+/ ydQcKwRGhko4EHYAg5rVdbt+lcaI9AEgSy+2g= From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21--150757969 Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:21:49 -0300 In-Reply-To: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <62748486-E922-41FE-A1A2-BB295C7B1A5E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:21:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-21--150757969 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 14 Dec 2011, at 18:17, Rick Walker wrote: >=20 > Does a recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 > sound better than a recording sampled only at 44-16, initially. >=20 > And if so, what's the logic? since you never record at optimum level and filtering and compression = can bring up noise during mixing, so it makes a lot of sense to do this = whole process in 24bit and only go to 16bit in the end. the 96k (or rather 88.2k since you want to end up in 44.1 and resampling = brings another problem) is a bit harder to understand: remember the = strange interferences that can create pretty low tones when two picolos = play together? imagine that this also happens between the non audible overtones of two = real instruments. so if the microphones do reach those frequencies and = you mix them after recording, it can make a difference. I do not have = the experience to say how easy they are audible. I am pretty sure they = are not audible when the signal comes from ordinary mics and guitar = processors. if you only record to two tracks, then treat them and then convert to = 44.1 in the end, I do not see why 88.2 would bring anything= --Apple-Mail-21--150757969 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Does a recording = at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 sound better than a recording sampled = only at 44-16, initially. And if so, what's the = logic? since you never record at = optimum level and filtering and compression can bring up noise during = mixing, so it makes a lot of sense to do this whole process in 24bit and = only go to 16bit in the end. the 96k (or rather = 88.2k since you want to end up in 44.1 and resampling brings another = problem) is a bit harder to understand: remember the strange = interferences that can create pretty low tones when two picolos play = together? imagine that this also happens between the non = audible overtones of two real instruments. so if the microphones do = reach those frequencies and you mix them after recording, it can make a = difference. I do not have the experience to say how easy they are = audible. I am pretty sure they are not audible when the signal comes = from ordinary mics and guitar processors. if you only record = to two tracks, then treat them and then convert to 44.1 in the end, I do = not see why 88.2 would bring anything= --Apple-Mail-21--150757969-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:23:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE791834E3; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A807B3D4-F2F2-4806-BD26-6D5434AB174F" Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:23:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <62748486-E922-41FE-A1A2-BB295C7B1A5E@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <62748486-E922-41FE-A1A2-BB295C7B1A5E@gmail.com> Message-Id: <3C572B98-AF0E-41F2-B4A2-3AB45417F7D7@reyn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:23:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_A807B3D4-F2F2-4806-BD26-6D5434AB174F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If your material has to end on a CD, record on 88.2kHz. If it's for film = record on 96kHz. Due to the math.. And yes, you'll hear the difference between 44.1 and 88.2. Especially if = you're mixing a lot of tracks together.. will make your life easier.. Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >=20 > On 14 Dec 2011, at 18:17, Rick Walker wrote: >>=20 >> Does a recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 >> sound better than a recording sampled only at 44-16, initially. >>=20 >> And if so, what's the logic? >=20 > since you never record at optimum level and filtering and compression = can bring up noise during mixing, so it makes a lot of sense to do this = whole process in 24bit and only go to 16bit in the end. >=20 > the 96k (or rather 88.2k since you want to end up in 44.1 and = resampling brings another problem) is a bit harder to understand: = remember the strange interferences that can create pretty low tones when = two picolos play together? > imagine that this also happens between the non audible overtones of = two real instruments. so if the microphones do reach those frequencies = and you mix them after recording, it can make a difference. I do not = have the experience to say how easy they are audible. I am pretty sure = they are not audible when the signal comes from ordinary mics and guitar = processors. > if you only record to two tracks, then treat them and then convert to = 44.1 in the end, I do not see why 88.2 would bring anything --Apple-Mail=_A807B3D4-F2F2-4806-BD26-6D5434AB174F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com= On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Matthias Grob = wrote: On 14 Dec = 2011, at 18:17, Rick Walker wrote: Does a = recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 sound better than a recording = sampled only at 44-16, initially. And if so, what's the = logic? since you never record at = optimum level and filtering and compression can bring up noise during = mixing, so it makes a lot of sense to do this whole process in 24bit and = only go to 16bit in the end. the 96k (or rather = 88.2k since you want to end up in 44.1 and resampling brings another = problem) is a bit harder to understand: remember the strange = interferences that can create pretty low tones when two picolos play = together? imagine that this also happens between the non = audible overtones of two real instruments. so if the microphones do = reach those frequencies and you mix them after recording, it can make a = difference. I do not have the experience to say how easy they are = audible. I am pretty sure they are not audible when the signal comes = from ordinary mics and guitar processors. if you only record = to two tracks, then treat them and then convert to 44.1 in the end, I do = not see why 88.2 would bring = anything = --Apple-Mail=_A807B3D4-F2F2-4806-BD26-6D5434AB174F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:40:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 828B71834E9; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FZOd/7YX5HHPBLoGnM0JAsXsOsdcY6tIcBmoptiZ5xo=; b=jvg9f/dF6YPmCeynhE8o8Ieq141sFz2rEz4v3o8SE1lndndiI6kQpkwW5YgzAcQUJB qluBvxMCO0cWdaCztGSuE/9FGpAG8MnbiDj4hFa9qZDQXqaLkjy4zXqmtHGIMx9Ilq1C CkG/DxlZ6fnH0v/PwCzsOgWI7F/LPOowXaUV4= Message-ID: <4EE92525.50200@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:37:25 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Am 14.12.2011 22:17, schrieb Rick Walker: > Does a recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 > sound better than a recording sampled only at 44-16, initially. That's two questions in one: 1) does a 24bit recording sound better than a 16bit one? 2) does a 96kHz recording sound better than a 44.1kHz one? ad 1: In my experience, yes, at least if your gear is able to make use of the increased resolution of the 24bit. Which may or may not be the case, depending how your setup looks. The reason here: typically, you use steps which bring down the dynamic range during processing steps. You record with some headroom, then you apply some compression...let's say you recorded with a 12dB headroom, and you furthermore apply a 2:1 compression at -12dB threshold, then two bits are gone. If you started with 16bits, you're down to 14. If you started with 24, you still got 6 more than you need. ad 2: first of all, as someone already mentioned, if CD is your target format, then 88.2 makes more sense than 96. That being said, I suggest you do a quick test and see how much of the added frequency range actually goes through your recording setup (which includes cables etc.). There's software for this: http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml Both explanations nonwithstanding, I always recommend using the maximum available bit depth for mixdown (which your run-of-the-mill DAW will do automatically) and for the mixdown audio files. As for the frequency - in theory, higher sampling frequency especially when processing the 2bus (read: mastering) makes sense. Don't know about if it really does matter, though... Rainer (who tends to record in 24/48 - because that difference between 44.1 and 48 can be heard). -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 23:03:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F3321834E9; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT: is really OT: Cigarette Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:03:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:03:45 +0000 (UTC) This is really lovely Petri, though Its been a while since i experienced a period of time when I felt like I needed to stop looping and start writing and playing without loops, I understand the feeling and may I offer this. If i were a singer songwriter guitar player, I would do much less multi-tasking than I do now and i doubt I'd do more than create a bit of guit-box groove and perhaps a bridge or solo section change that I could undo, or minimal ostinato note or two that works against all of the chords and leave it at that. You might check out the great Joseph Arthur playing solo on Youtube for inspiration in this regard., though I think he is doing more sophisticated things than what i described above these days, probably on a lap top :-). The other thing is perhaps you may be more of a hardware guy , some of us still are:-). Any of the techniques i described above can be done on the most basic of loopers. I've been teaching guitar for many years and I can say without question that if you are a life long student of the guitar, as I am, a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner, and your rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing screen with endless possibilities. good luck and stay in touch Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 23:31:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1F1B1834EA; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-12-14_08:2011-12-14,2011-12-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1112140276 From: Bingham Steve Subject: Midi in Live 8 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:31:26 +0000 Message-id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1249) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Although I've been watching events on LD for quite a while it's been ages since I posted anything, mainly because I had a pretty stable setup of Gordius LG controlling Sooperlooper within Logic 9. Highly recommended! Anyway, I've decided to give Live 8 a go, for a variety of reasons, and getting some new hardware into my setup (SoftStep and 12Step) has given me an excuse to get to grips with the Ableton program. So far I've got some audio tracks setup, and am able to get sound from my electric violin, my iPad and the 12Step into Live. I'm sending these all to SL on a return track, which seems to work well. I then started on midi control: Managed to work out how to get the LG to send signals to a midi track and then route this to SL, so I can now use all my old midi bindings. Great! Next I tried to get an expression pedal attached to the LG to control volume of the loops in SL, and an expression pedal connected to the 12Step to control volume of the audio track in Live that the 12Step is sending signals to. Both these I was able to do; but here's the problem: When there's no audio playing at all (not live and not looped) then both expression pedals are fine. However as soon as there is audio playing then moving either of the expression pedals does what it's meant to, but also causes clicks and glitches in the audio! I can't find the solution: I'm guessing it's a routing issue, or stray midi sifnals getting to go somewhere they shouldn't. Any suggestions gratefully received! And best wishes for Christmas! Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 23:54:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1CB61834F0; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7ae31856-1aef-4cdd-a287-91ebad1df438_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: THREE track of Live looping/sampling (getting som EDP style stutter with live sequenced sample) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:54:49 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2011 23:54:49.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3DEF000:01CCBABB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:54:50 +0000 (UTC) --_7ae31856-1aef-4cdd-a287-91ebad1df438_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Still having FUN with the Octatrack.. l like the stutter=2C random resample= that is so cool on the EDP and LP1.. here I use a sequencer pattern that r= eplays a live sampled loop.. All of the sequencer stuff is guitar but i als= o use retrigg and slices to make it sound strange.. on the first track i us= e the LoFi distortion of the octatrack to get a dirty soundListen with care= ... strangeness is there.. (the last track is the best=2C i think.. you mig= ht not think so...)http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/sets/fourteenoftwe= lve/ I will soon write down a short piece in the octatrack as looper.. and a LOO= PER machine will come... some day.. = --_7ae31856-1aef-4cdd-a287-91ebad1df438_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Still having FUN with the Octatrack.. l like the stutter=2C random resample= that is so cool on the EDP and LP1.. here I use a =3Bsequencer =3B= pattern that replays a live sampled loop.. All of the sequencer stuff is gu= itar but i also use retrigg and slices to make it sound strange.. on the fi= rst track i use the LoFi distortion of the octatrack to get a dirty soundListen with care... strangeness is there.. (the last track is the best= =2C i think.. you might not think so...) http://soundcloud.com/ande= rs-bergdahl/sets/fourteenoftwelve/ I will soon= write down a short =3Bpiece =3Bin the octatrack as looper.. and a = LOOPER machine will come... some day.. =3B = --_7ae31856-1aef-4cdd-a287-91ebad1df438_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 00:43:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 492491834F0; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IhWl48So5l78lvWNOGiFDeP4RSDIdvqN+e0HJERLWmU=; b=Zhe5Eog2CcybDtoknAFeBXcDQVH8oZjyPFJx3r6gYoQR5M5G5w+N7Je/DsXIyiBb2X lzdW3P1gBI0zROgR5VhMaemdtdoK1G0ImeoACGr7WnE917r9Fq3geWtr8u2OFDRPw8W6 b/leX9sGbKKHTQK+cyn014No5oWqGGkkmdY3s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 01:43:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Midi in Live 8 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:43:26 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Bingham Steve wrote: > However as soon as there is audio playing then moving either of the expression pedals does what it's meant to, but also causes clicks and glitches in the audio! HI Steve, MIDI port: Long ago I had this "CC# sweep causing zipper noise" issue with an RME Multiface audio interface when using the RME's MIDI ports. I found a solution in not using the MIDI ports on the Audio Interface but a cheap MIDI-to-USB cable/converter instead. Badly coded plugin: Recently I've also had "CC# sweep causing zipper noise" issues related to the SoundToys plugin EchoBoy. I talked to the developers about that and had it confirmed that they know about the issue (but fixing it is not their highest priority). When the plugin caused noise I was controlling three of EchoBoy's parameters simultaneously from the same CC# swept by the expression pedal. I fixed this issue by only controlling one continuous parameter in EchoBoy and directing the signal through two other plugins/mixer stages where I applied the same exp pedal CC# to affect the other two aspects of the live morphing sound. The audio interface I use now, RME Fireface400, is flawless with no issues. Only convenience is the reason I plug everything in by USB cables into a USB hub on the MBP - the 400's MIDI interface doesn't have the issues of the earlier Multiface. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 06:06:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 842CF1834F5; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=hlIOvFhf3cXFVk9vesDepkAZmuVpECfzoWNrlEk52eY=; b=N5bakGYpOxfETCDB6uDHDfdny1shKZIyjndq+gis1F4W0o8WQK8ag74IdB2K/5W1U7 MqBp3Olwjw4Y+/pEK5siT6hLKHBw4fAH/8lMphiY8pQl5bYyOAZIvPhIEBON9LLbIByE 2cXZ9n/gdkQfaZt7rCSOpEOVmXr4j/JuziBTo= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:06:00 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <-LklQB.A.1bD.s5Y6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:06:36 +0000 (UTC) On 14 Dec 2011, at 11:39, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Matthias Grob = wrote: >> since I think of myself as the creator of this function its a = pleasure to >> read what great users think about it! >> its the one function I used a lot personally >> and I often felt the desire to change the short base loop after the >> multiplication, which is possible if multiply happens on a new track = and >> thus only could be done with two EDPs >> then again I love unrounded multiply too... does it work on several = tracks >> in some apps? >=20 >=20 > Great to read you chiming in on this, Matthias! I may try answering > those questions for Mobius, since I've been using that looper a lot > over the recent years. If "unrounded multiply" would include closing > Multiply mode by Record it does not work over several tracks (for > parallel loops) in Mobius. But Mobius has another way to achieve the > same result: to apply the Instant Multiply or Instant Divide command > while having activated the Focus Lock for a number of tracks. nice... but the Instant only does factor 2,3,4 not the free chop out I = do with Unround, right? >=20 > Since Mobius is a multi track looper the track you chose for creating > the first loop becomes the Master Track and it is according to this > track's cycle length all other track are realigning for track sync. > But there is a command to change the Master Track during a looping > session. If the new Master Track has been modified by "unrounded > multiply" I assume the result will be a new tempo and a new cycle > length as the quantization grid for the rest of the session (if that > was what you meant by "change the short base loop"?) I did not mean to change its time.=20 since usually roughly the short is the rhythm and the long the harmony,=20= its interesting to improve the rhythm after the harmony is done and obviously quicker and more precise if done on the original track to change the time of this base loop would be rather crazy to my ears = :-) - unless its a fraction of the previous time... rather Divide than = UnroundMultiply I love UnroundMulti to create shocking new rhythms within the same sound = trip and trying to imagine now, it could be even better to continue with the = old harmony loop, chopped in a more delicate way...=20 >=20 >=20 >> so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving = function! >=20 > I second that decision. Today's world is already full of recording > devices, so there's no need to clutter up a performance instrument > with that function. hm... its not the same... so save a single loop with another recorder is = less acurate and practical I must say I love to record with the same laptop I loop on and I would love to just insert an USB stick into the looper to have the = whole performance, even in a more editable way... its rather the play back funcion I question. also, it needs more UI to = select the loop than just record thank you, Per! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 09:10:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3BBC1834F5; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 702711622/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.45/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.45 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAFy46U5YbR4t/2dsb2JhbAAMOK4jAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd2t3CIbYMaBJovjHE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,356,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="702711622" Message-ID: <4EE9B9A0.6010803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:10:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP2 Random Retrigger - Quarter/Quadruple Speed References: <4EE8CCD5.60408@tiscali.co.uk> <4EE910E6.5050406@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE910E6.5050406@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > ME: > > *Yeah, but I frequently use a stutter action with my foot to retrigger > using > that technique..........it will still cause the stutter effect but I can > let it > go and it will continue on. > > Does that answer your question? absolutely, looking forward to hearing the results of unleashing the LP2 into world. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 09:19:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C5231834F7; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 709365739/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.45/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.45 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAKu66U5YbR4t/2dsb2JhbAAMOK4jAQEBAwE4RgsLISUPAkYcAYd2t3OIbYMaBJovjHE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,356,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="709365739" Message-ID: <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:19:44 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:19:28 +0000 (UTC) van Sinn wrote: > I'm aware of the useless audio, and would use some outboard shizzle, > like the Alesis dock - doesn't the Alesis dock just use the audio input of the pad? (I'd think otherwise, but there's no sample rate in the spec) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 09:25:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 530281834FA; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=m8pMxCK8yvk/zwziO6nelTDEBZUbye9rlxf5cQU4pzg=; b=sTjqjl+56Jn9r0/VqZ7/RM5Sorl5RweerFOuWctN/P8XvtSEnRnXIikWYe4SOLdBlQ rk87rVDZUL7ujfHfvF1AVw4D5VYQjAL3GkzL8sSj4kVLMupzB7AkhfhiiRikgG8L/weq f2EAZvgsT0MHurfrvgwXy8t4YIJo73/w48gkc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:25:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: is really OT: Cigarette From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba0dba9cebc04b41e1118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:25:46 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba0dba9cebc04b41e1118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank u Per! :-) Dont know what the heck youre talking about - I like to experiment with chords, though I dont theoritically know what I am doing! I try to widen the range and give depth to vocals with chords. -Petri- 2011/12/15 Per Boysen > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/cigarette > > Nice song, Petri! I like the way you keep the vocals so straight and > let the guitar playing ramble around a bit. You know, with such strong > vocals you may be able to reduce the guitar playing even more. I > heard you doing some maj-7 harmony where it isn't part of the melody > so you're already on that experimental track ;-) > > Per > > -- Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f3ba0dba9cebc04b41e1118 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank u Per! :-) Dont know what the heck youre talking about - I lik= e to experiment with chords, though I dont theoritically know what I am = doing! I try to widen the range and give depth to vocals with chords. -Petri- 2011/12/15 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.= com> wrote: > http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen/cigarette Nice song, Petri! I like the way you keep the vocals so straight and let the guitar playing ramble around a bit. You know, with such strong vocals you may be able to reduce the guitar playing even more. =A0I heard you doing some maj-7 harmony where it isn't part of the melody so you're already on that experimental track ;-) Per -- Petri Lah= tinen --e89a8f3ba0dba9cebc04b41e1118-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 09:36:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 401DD1834FE; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fRp9gkPWrFjyg0Ns8kE+usPq2yqq5FWAydyvD34w63w=; b=Nl6YcKaN9ElvN0uMeDJ2+t8ehcGRw24kgKlN5wh678zFJ9EdlAPOsJd9WrYc1z9EX3 NU04/1nVffyZmwlT0uMU3I12Oh+uQoFg80biJibpYwRQc6V36/USom+gXi3z3yIY04Jv DzV3C2xVE94dZTCloNnyBdvfag1Oezjw16G3I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:36:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: is really OT: Cigarette From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340dcb78b5ca04b41e3999 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:36:54 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340dcb78b5ca04b41e3999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Bill I relate to all the things you said - the reason for me abandoning the hardware is mainly economical. We are hitting a real all-time-low with jobs and economical situation here in Finland. But the other is hat I have never committed myself to acoustic playing and songwriting on that medium, and now I think I really wanna do that, all other things aside. But when I got my first looper 3 years ago I started immediately feel my timing improve, it was really easy to figure out 2-3 guitar parts etc etc. So when I'm again economically fit, I'll gather around me a space station such as you have on your feet :-) btw, thanks Bill for introducing me to an artist that I didnt know before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeg9Af7q9Jw -Petri- 2011/12/15 William Walker > This is really lovely Petri, though Its been a while since i experienced > a period of time when I felt like I needed to stop looping and start > writing and playing without loops, I understand the feeling and may I offer > this. If i were a singer songwriter guitar player, I would do much less > multi-tasking than I do now and i doubt I'd do more than create a bit of > guit-box groove and perhaps a bridge or solo section change that I could > undo, or minimal ostinato note or two that works against all of the chords > and leave it at that. You might check out the great Joseph Arthur playing > solo on Youtube for inspiration in this regard., though I think he is doing > more sophisticated things than what i described above these days, probably > on a lap top :-). The other thing is perhaps you may be more of a hardware > guy , some of us still are:-). Any of the techniques i described above can > be done on the most basic of loopers. I've been teaching guitar for many > years and I can say without question that if you are a life long student of > the guitar, as I am, a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing > partner, and your rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a > glowing screen with endless possibilities. > good luck and stay in touch > Bill > > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340dcb78b5ca04b41e3999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill I relate to all the things you said - the reason for me aban= doning the hardware is mainly economical. We are hitting a real all-time= -low with jobs and economical situation here in Finland. But the oth= er is hat I have never committed myself to acoustic playing and songwriting= on that medium, and now I think I really wanna do that, all other things aside. But = when I got my first looper 3 years ago I started immediately feel my timing= improve, it was really easy to figure out 2-3 guitar parts etc etc. So = when I'm again economically fit, I'll gather around me a space station such as you have on your feet :-)= btw, thanks Bill for introducing me to an artist that I didnt know = before http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3Doeg9Af7q9Jw -Petri- 2011/12/15 William Wa= lker <billwa= lker@baymoon.com> =A0This is really lovely =A0Petri, though Its been a while since i experien= ced a period of time when I felt like I needed to stop looping and start wr= iting and playing without loops, I understand the feeling and may I offer t= his. =A0If i were a singer songwriter guitar player, I would do much less m= ulti-tasking than I do now and i doubt I'd do more than create a bit of= guit-box groove and perhaps a bridge or solo section change =A0that I coul= d undo, or =A0minimal ostinato note or two that works against all of the ch= ords and leave it at that. =A0You might check out the great Joseph Arthur p= laying solo on Youtube for inspiration in this regard., though I think he i= s doing more sophisticated things than what i described above these days, p= robably on a lap top :-). The other thing is perhaps you may be more of a h= ardware guy , some of us still are:-). Any of the techniques i described ab= ove can be done on the most basic of loopers. I've been teaching guitar= for many years and I can say without question that if you are a life long = student of the guitar, as I am, a basic looper is your practice pal, your s= ong writing partner, and your rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn'= ;t have to be a glowing screen with endless possibilities. good luck and stay in touch =A0Bill -- Petri Lahtinen <= br> --14dae9340dcb78b5ca04b41e3999-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 09:39:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B9EC183502; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: is really OT: Cigarette Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:39:34 +0100 Message-ID: <59444C55598A43E6996DE93B19D5E69D@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Acy7DSNRdGbeLyhxS+KZrGANAkR2UwAADE2Q Resent-Message-ID: <44kGjD.A.AfG.bBc6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:39:39 +0000 (UTC) > a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner, and your rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing screen with endless possibilities. very well put Bill -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 12:35:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B8C51834FE; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XQz1F4F3tBuUxW0SX8sBL8waW/dh5H8JOpjrflKkTFE=; b=Uotcmj2DSMJRezpemB/Ia0XHGf9IuGaV018Xe7Wmq5fSya8cVKTdGw0MC3xHiuGf1X cH9seZDLljX7y8uZ4w4OPMv+5u8kqg6l1UZmWk13zlRv+DH6MeUbMFLGxmc3gQkUQ+Ko frxrZKj/olPp9vsQO80u10JYE7cDXahtCsUME= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59444C55598A43E6996DE93B19D5E69D@mpeserver> References: <59444C55598A43E6996DE93B19D5E69D@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:35:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: is really OT: Cigarette From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:35:03 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Michael Peters wrote: >> a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner, and your > rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing screen with > endless possibilities. > > very well put Bill > > -Michael > Not to slag looping (!) but I actually liked the non-looping qualities of Petri's posted song, i.e. the ritardandi. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 12:59:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E4D21834F7; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ccfm2/AdBHkaJzaTb+D9pI0XzgtcXHAehDuZx+TX5cI=; b=owlaSu63IYolj09Cm+943ppcEnDwrpcn22DyCSFN5WxqIs59yzF9+sqRZt0VWf3mtg npQzf13bAWm/e5s4oHsFhqKNF58cxqaHLtDlbtUHqq7cp6zc504gmv6Eh1KlgeXVIgOC eQf5gD7HmchjD4c5gIjVZIvGTNw1Kvua9NXtk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:59:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3Hlws.A.hp._8e6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:59:43 +0000 (UTC) >> Great to read you chiming in on this, Matthias! I may try answering >> those questions for Mobius, since I've been using that looper a lot >> over the recent years. If =C2=A0"unrounded multiply" would include closi= ng >> Multiply mode by Record it does not work over several tracks (for >> parallel loops) in Mobius. But Mobius has another way to achieve the >> same result: to apply the Instant Multiply or Instant Divide command >> while having activated the Focus Lock for a number of tracks. On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > nice... but the Instant only does factor 2,3,4 not the free chop out I do= with Unround, right? Correct. It is not equal to Multiply-->Record but rather complimentary. I particularly appreciate having 3 as an optional coefficient. The Instant Divide/Multiply is also fun to "abuse", like for example divide down to a very, very short loop down in granular undergound and then maybe play melodies with it by speed shifting until finally go back again along the Undo/Redo path until you are back at the original loop. One can do this to a parallel loop while an older loop plays along in a normal way. >>> so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving funct= ion! >> >> I second that decision. Today's world is already full of recording >> devices, so there's no need to clutter up a performance instrument >> with that function. > > hm... its not the same... so save a single loop with another recorder is = less acurate and practical > I must say I love to record with the same laptop I loop on > and I would love to just insert an USB stick into the looper to have the = whole performance, even in a more editable way... > its rather the play back funcion I question. also, it needs more UI to se= lect the loop than just record I was thinking more from the customer's point of view. I'd rather pay for an awesome looper than for a little less awesome looper with a built-in recording facility. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 14:05:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D4DE183503; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LgbPGYmlJCpTpyIrKGox3/I1nKVok1UttR7+vwtM3zk=; b=oIbVSC4olVav1ZyN5xwwxZc6xlJH72cTpneMm18oOUKN6az73/XTK0atH+D71JD7Lz 53E2FUEvOZ5jfFPvxIo5R3cDtikflBeEnKN2YIy3fbSApnAZxZgLgypitGyq2eQfbeY2 sg3d6gzHX/325wqRfzcEknt72Ve2fGGjzW1XA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:05:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:05:31 +0000 (UTC) The Alesis dock uses the 30-pin connector for ALL non-tactile input/output from the iPad=97audio and video. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:19 AM, andy butler wrote= : > van Sinn wrote: > >> I'm aware of the useless audio, and would use some outboard shizzle, lik= e >> the Alesis dock - > > > doesn't the Alesis dock just use the audio input of the pad? > > (I'd think otherwise, but there's no sample rate in the spec) > > andy > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 14:32:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861DC183504; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=M0N6b/pWtGA8yxoQkEGNAjYUo0sy8+/2XpWCnAp8DLo=; b=YyMAZl3fp+8dslJXIRpNMpPTig3Dt9A4xkvpVKZwAwY3seIuaswTkSZti8ZisOMVOV ojHjH4QqmD4MH1UEtHhSqMQyHzEWtkWXQ4JXC+jXeQ+lB7QB/caeAP8+jDdYYG+aw4fz +RXv8Q9A9ajBAShqtDb/HCqkpuW4LFpe3mZVQ= Message-ID: <75B77AEF5735461DA460EC75DBE9E0EE@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net><20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:31:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Cripes...a lot of dicsussion on this! :) I have to say, I weened myself off of Multply in Mobius recently, and now I'm just looping on additional tracks because I can achieve the same goal but have more flexibility to mute, manipulate, or reset individual parts. Sidenote: I am syncing mobius to Live, but Next Loop is acting really funky. Anyone doing this with success? ----- Original Message ----- >> Great to read you chiming in on this, Matthias! I may try answering >> those questions for Mobius, since I've been using that looper a lot >> over the recent years. If "unrounded multiply" would include closing >> Multiply mode by Record it does not work over several tracks (for >> parallel loops) in Mobius. But Mobius has another way to achieve the >> same result: to apply the Instant Multiply or Instant Divide command >> while having activated the Focus Lock for a number of tracks. On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > nice... but the Instant only does factor 2,3,4 not the free chop out I do > with Unround, right? Correct. It is not equal to Multiply-->Record but rather complimentary. I particularly appreciate having 3 as an optional coefficient. The Instant Divide/Multiply is also fun to "abuse", like for example divide down to a very, very short loop down in granular undergound and then maybe play melodies with it by speed shifting until finally go back again along the Undo/Redo path until you are back at the original loop. One can do this to a parallel loop while an older loop plays along in a normal way. >>> so I am even thinking of building the Evoloop without loop saving >>> function! >> >> I second that decision. Today's world is already full of recording >> devices, so there's no need to clutter up a performance instrument >> with that function. > > hm... its not the same... so save a single loop with another recorder is > less acurate and practical > I must say I love to record with the same laptop I loop on > and I would love to just insert an USB stick into the looper to have the > whole performance, even in a more editable way... > its rather the play back funcion I question. also, it needs more UI to > select the loop than just record I was thinking more from the customer's point of view. I'd rather pay for an awesome looper than for a little less awesome looper with a built-in recording facility. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 14:36:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA8B3183504; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 712895570/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.45/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.45 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAHcF6k5YbR4t/2dsb2JhbAAMOK4pAQEBAwEyAQVAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRkDAYd2uDOIaoMaBJowhTWHPA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,357,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="712895570" Message-ID: <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:36:09 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Dennis Moser wrote: > The Alesis dock uses the 30-pin connector for ALL non-tactile > input/output from the iPad�audio and video. You'll have to excuse my i-Ignorance, which extends way beyond my curiosity. I presume the 30 pin connector has the analog audio on it's pins in order to work with those docking speaker things. So for me the question remains unanswered. andy > > Best, > > Dennis > > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:19 AM, andy butler wrote: >> van Sinn wrote: >> >>> I'm aware of the useless audio, and would use some outboard shizzle, like >>> the Alesis dock - >> >> doesn't the Alesis dock just use the audio input of the pad? >> >> (I'd think otherwise, but there's no sample rate in the spec) >> >> andy >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 14:47:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9765118350C; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fhKDNtHteBa0yFeQTJtPJdc8fI5UxaFOfUHc6kqbNd0=; b=sZi1a5Bar7qiSpQ5Hma17Bq3Qc6u0pQcK9f+RrP4SBpgJQ4gEriH6QQT1dYCP8Q1NO Iy1E9LqJCI1RD607n6hjmwkUbI8qJN4fo8eLI7+YyK0+u1DLj2KFZSmCMV233LXLGbAw 5v6FJraPAMiuazm7aa4q7e+m0vcCx9MnDRqZY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:47:13 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Andy, :D =85 no worries. I didn't know what the audio was coming off that 30-pin either. However, this SHOULD answer the question: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Can-you-get-audio-digital-out-iPa= d "Submitted by The Computer Au... on Sat, 08/14/2010 - 20:24. Joined: 11/28/2007 .:. Offline .:. Comments: 8508 Hi ajax - I'm a bit confused Hi ajax - I'm a bit confused at what exactly your friend is trying to accomplish. I'm sure it's something very neat but right now I'm lost :~) To answer the question about the iPad outputting digital audio -> The headphone jack is only analog. But the dock connector can output digital audio with the camera connection kit. You can only connect to a 16 bit USB DAC, but at least it's digital out. A good 16 bit DAC for this is the Devilsound / Halide Design DAC." So the answer is =97 if you use the headphone jack, you get ANALOG audio. If you use anything that plugs into the 30-pin connector, like the Alesis ioDock, you get digital audio. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:36 AM, andy butler wrote= : > Dennis Moser wrote: >> >> The Alesis dock uses the 30-pin connector for ALL non-tactile >> input/output from the iPad=97audio and video. > > > You'll have to excuse my i-Ignorance, which extends way beyond my curiosi= ty. > > I presume the 30 pin connector has the analog audio on it's pins in order= to > work with those docking speaker > things. > > So for me the question remains unanswered. > > > andy > > > > >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:19 AM, andy butler >> wrote: >>> >>> van Sinn wrote: >>> >>>> I'm aware of the useless audio, and would use some outboard shizzle, >>>> like >>>> the Alesis dock - >>> >>> >>> doesn't the Alesis dock just use the audio input of the pad? >>> >>> (I'd think otherwise, but there's no sample rate in the spec) >>> >>> andy >>> >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 15:07:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0A5118350C; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=E9ladRrLTagc/wuR+sS4UZoHlV4bcMO5Xs7lbIJcijA=; b=jPp8UJa7kzG3UsSX6awzATlZsN/EQNWnLQGf/0S1YbVpy8HdBgB2aKjilgQUyv0BVC epa9oJEUXsBXECJNqYkw+XFbZ6W9pFMh0iDQkX/d3GeQScctFRG4XGc5l+CpKa1bLOIR h37ShKp4mGDDsVyJPD548N0C7qitIbbixM0tg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <59444C55598A43E6996DE93B19D5E69D@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:07:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: is really OT: Cigarette From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340c2799b6f504b422d8cc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:07:43 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340c2799b6f504b422d8cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It really Per is really therapeutic to play free things, after working on fixed bpm's, electronic stuff and synchronized-tracks-loopers as RC-30 :-D 2011/12/15 Per Boysen > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > >> a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner, and your > > rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing screen > with > > endless possibilities. > > > > very well put Bill > > > > -Michael > > > > Not to slag looping (!) but I actually liked the non-looping qualities > of Petri's posted song, i.e. the ritardandi. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340c2799b6f504b422d8cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It really Per is really therapeutic to play free things, after working o= n fixed bpm's, electronic stuff and synchronized-tracks-loopers as RC-3= 0 :-D 2011/12/15 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com<= /a>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Michael Pe= ters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote: >> a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner, an= d your > rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing s= creen with > endless possibilities. > > very well put Bill > > -Michael > Not to slag looping (!) but I actually liked the non-looping qualities of Petri's posted song, i.e. the ritardandi. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen -- Petri Lah= tinen --14dae9340c2799b6f504b422d8cc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 15:14:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 430B718350D; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3LiXM26EOVTTYBkgRNgETIIIjT1kmd7B4d/YhZcR6ds=; b=a+ypX8mnBa2QUk2qvD4I78Hdd8IxAn7gprDaJvQcsLNRzVrK/yAKhG3tOpxzaZNbuK mkOLhQNK39kRS5M7jbYTwLYxEXB3wVpUrZf5259ax9Ckd42+iWI6gdUjiqxQkNk/ns4G Csw1ZJgF3eWLo+QwEHX8U9v7gcIKJFmrntPHY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <75B77AEF5735461DA460EC75DBE9E0EE@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <14662430.1323645748167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20111212125515.219840@gmx.net> <75B77AEF5735461DA460EC75DBE9E0EE@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:14:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHY - multiply? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:14:56 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > =C2=A0I have to say, I weened myself off of Multply in Mobius recently, a= nd now > I'm just looping on additional tracks because I can achieve the same goal > but have more flexibility to mute, manipulate, or reset individual parts. It's funny that I'm cultivating similar ambitions - to instantly vary the looping music while constantly play along on physical instruments - but my method is the opposite: I use as few tracks as possible. The reason is that I find it easier to manipulate one major track holding many musical parts as layers, shorter or longer by previous multiplying: I mean, everything stays in perfect sync even when doing speed shifting and reversing since it is all part of the same loop. For "muting just one part" I stick with Undo, but then I'm limited to the latest addition I made so I need to keep that in mind when creating my loop. It has become a second nature to create loop layers in an order that prepares for a musical "re-mix" by the Undo/Redo stepping. > Sidenote: I am syncing mobius to Live, but Next Loop is acting really fun= ky. > Anyone doing this with success? Yes, right now I'm about to go down to Istanbul for the second diamond shaped eight channel surround concert with the duo together with Erdem. We did a previous gig i Paris this spring but then I used Logic for pre-prepared surround tracks. For this concert I'm using Live and run Mobius VST synced to Live at "Host Bar" sync mode. I have not noticed issues with Next Loop but will look fully into that, beginning on Saturday. Will report back if I find something not working. My other Mobius settings are the same as when I run it as the sync master; I use "Quantize =3D Subcycle" and "SwitchQuant =3D Cycle". I disable all compensation for tempo change (no speed shift, no change of loop length). In Live I have set the tempo and time measure for each song in advance by typing it into the scene slots of the master track and then I have a foot switch assigned to Live's Next Clip while preferences set to launch on selection. This means I need to fix two things in Mobius between songs; first, if I have any loops going when finishing a song I need to do a global reset of Mobius to let the looper pick up the tempo of the new song about to start, and so I also need to change the 8th per Cycle for all Mobius tracks (I only use four, so it is a quick fix from the hand mixer buttons) to match the upcoming time measure. That's not a heavy burden as nine songs out of ten are in 4/4, and for the last piece I put all Mobius tracks at "8ths per Cycle =3D 14" as it goes in 7/8. This system has been working perfect so far, but as said, I have been preparing surround tracks this week and will start rehearsing the live looping parts two days from now. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 15:21:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49F9118350C; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gJgntNDtlpmrdKtc9e2FEMjfgg1NwL/R3n0k9bs69a4=; b=jieWiSfnCr9FbxsnliWuiCu2jXHiUHks8ChMhdQeTmOFYhv7MQtIvjkENXPm9SD2sD focylA8yZomrqF7KxsaswY47YDgpfYlMuv0gdFw8XdD1OzhmtEy8Z+Ctiu4rLvNPToMw lv8pDA++vH7R5ahr2Ct6eletPukV47luD+79w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <59444C55598A43E6996DE93B19D5E69D@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:21:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: is really OT: Cigarette From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:21:47 +0000 (UTC) I totally understand that! This was a main reason I expanded into Stick playing; being free to play rubato while still doing two or three musical parts simultaneously. Looking back from this new position I can tell that I also love the machine-like and exact timing you can achieve with looping - but to my taste this repetitiveness becomes even cooler if combined with free rubato parts. Per On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > It really Per is really therapeutic to play free things, after > working on fixed bpm's, electronic stuff and synchronized-tracks-loopers as > RC-30 > > :-D > > > 2011/12/15 Per Boysen >> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Michael Peters wrote: >> >> a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner, and >> >> your >> > rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing screen >> > with >> > endless possibilities. >> > >> > very well put Bill >> > >> > -Michael >> > >> >> Not to slag looping (!) but I actually liked the non-looping qualities >> of Petri's posted song, i.e. the ritardandi. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 17:55:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09893183514; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <59444C55598A43E6996DE93B19D5E69D@mpeserver> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is really OT: Cigarette In-Reply-To: <59444C55598A43E6996DE93B19D5E69D@mpeserver> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE8969D322141C_D8C_17FF32_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE8969D30A4652-D8C-8661E@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.130.90] Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:55:11 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1323971711; bh=LSINQg/sM3Zp0sX+UR0urP8xjt1bEYcb4kJbIjrlPkE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ku4cPJW91Cqe2BWzdmNndVw0F2Mr/1zWIFlReG9hmyK83LwiFwO0/0FMZ3R8oOBNW t8VeY7KFScvC9TD74q2drUqHLXHTAzzO2/ibSPZ1ioulPHVRBag1YINxTThNp3ih66 Ki0WQ8UcWYvA3QfVKjFDhqzwvTib+frMiORC3CjU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:318738816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d4eea347f754b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:55:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE8969D322141C_D8C_17FF32_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner, and your rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing screen wit= h endless possibilities. very well put Bill -Michael i always knew young bill was a closet LUDDITE.....but my cold heart skipped= a few beats when i saw he was using a=20 telephone/pad/pod/tool of SATAN in his kit!..... technology is moving way t= o fast for this boy!.....i don't even understand=20 half of the commercials i see for phones and things of that ilk.....i feel = like i am living in a foreign land..... =20 ----------MB_8CE8969D322141C_D8C_17FF32_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner,= and your rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing screen wit= h endless possibilities. very well put Bill -Michael i a= lways knew young bill was a closet LUDDITE.....but my cold heart skipped a = few beats when i saw he was using a tele= phone/pad/pod/tool of SATAN in his kit!..... technology is moving way to fa= st for this boy!.....i don't even understand = half of the commercials i see for phones and things of that ilk.....i feel = like i am living in a foreign land..... ----------MB_8CE8969D322141C_D8C_17FF32_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:32:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DF85183516; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:33:10 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9lgzNB.A.4VG.K1j6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:32:42 +0000 (UTC) This is actually one of the topics I'm about writing up on in a series of technical articles, starting mid january on adadepot.com . Sorry for the lengthy post, but it's difficult to explain in a short post. Sampling rate: Many audio interfaces simply aren't build to function equally correctly at both low and high sampling rates, and thus may work better at the higher sample rates. For this reason some/many says that sampling at higher rates produce better audio quality with their particular interface. My comment to reality is: If the chosen gear does sound better at higher sample rates, by all means of course use it this way ;) From a theory point of view, sampling at higher bitrates makes absolutely no difference. The Nyquist�Shannon sampling theorem in clear math states that a signal can be accurately reproduced at half the sampling frequency - provided infinitely steep anti-aliasing filters are employed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist�Shannon_sampling_theorem Older designs using analog filters often had issues with such filters being unable to completely cut off aliasing products. For more than a decade, modern AD/DA converters has had build-in digital antialiasing filters which, alongside with oversampling, results in very steep slopes, making it fairly easy to reproduce 20Khz from 44.1Khz sampling. It is interesting to note that (64 to 256 times) oversampling converters actually up- and downsamples to the wanted sample rate. In other words, although we may choose a certain sampling rate with our interface, the converter internally samples at a much higher rate, and then converts this to our desired rate. Sampling word width: We get approx 6.06 dB per bit, or in practical terms 6dB/bit. So 16 bit gives us a dynamic range of 96 dB (which can be improved using aggressive noise shaping). Most practical music gear, unless being quite pro, will not have this dynamic range, and much less a signal/noise ration even approaching 96dB. My RME quadmic mic preamp has 120dB range, but the rest of my gear doesn't, and building a project studio with a noise floor at even -80dB is a dire and expensive task. So 16 bit would suffice just fine for the raw recordings. However, it's a different issue once we start to work on those samples. Every time we add two equally sized full-scale samples, the result will be twice as large; an increase of 6 dB. Expressed in bits: Adding two full 24 bit signals will result in a 25 bit signal (1 bit = 6 dB). Using EQ and myriads of effects will all make the resulting signal grow. Even if we keep the signal normalized on the DAW, it still grows - it just grows downwards, that is, it'll have more and more lower bits. We cannot simply truncate or ignore those lower bits, as they all contains information about the signal. When we at some point convert to the final 44.1/16 format, all bits in this large-bit signal are used as part of the conversion and dithering process. A main reason why the DAW world has been moving from 24 bit to 32 bit, and resently to 64 bit processing: To avoid loosing any 'bit' of information during the process, and only at the final stage convert to 44.1/16. I said above that 16 bits would work just fine for recording.. While this is true, the recording engineer would have to fairly accurately place the audio fairly close to full-scale, and overshoots could easily occur (like the sax bloving extra hard, or someone spitting in the mic). Using 20 or 24 bits makes the recording process somewhat easier ;) Succeding processing will work jsut fine on those 16/20/24 bit samples in 32 or 64 bit formats used internally in the DAW. Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > If your material has to end on a CD, record on 88.2kHz. If it's for film > record on 96kHz. Due to the math.. I assume you mean that an 88.2 Khz sample only needs to downscaled by a factor two to arrive at 44.1 Khz.. Which isn't so. The 88.2 signal will need to be calculated and dithered exactly the same way as with any other bitrate. Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans wrote: > >> I record all my gigs at 96-24. Better to archive, and better to >> produce, in high-res and downsample at the last stage. > > What I've always wondered: > > Does a recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 > sound better than a recording sampled only at 44-16, initially. > > And if so, what's the logic? > > Daniel Thomas once explained the answer to me a long time ago, but I > have completely forgotten what > he told me. Please forgive the brain fart. > > Rick Walker -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:49:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF93183516; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=WSi+1mfsKnh8AsM/PJhLRxSCT2GZuHo3x7/h/EoVYYc=; b=MbsWyDEBa05Gb5tEL7zeQoJz2gxr3751E+IBi96wy/RgHy9HY4zd8mIAmpKcaDXg45 CTAld2/DC6Bu/uoqqAaGWrrV4MCO2x2l+mngSohYyDLuErAtBW48F6+MSuD2jGsVSecS VPKkH+hBekvOp43XvntX5H6IDHfkOUcZEBFq4= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:49:44 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0AB0B5F6-C4A8-4564-B59F-F6B384A940A3@gmail.com> References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:49:52 +0000 (UTC) yep, I call this evolooping :-) On 8 Nov 2011, at 09:41, Per Boysen wrote: > The art form of live looping > shouldn't bee seen as "making a loop and play over it" but rather as > "making a loop and keep on changing it while playing over it". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:51:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB464183517; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JApFUYNf/Av+6Qp8VwFsNbJCCQQxiymiVwavcE5t42Q=; b=UPTbErcnymmIa3bLkW/NUarvG6kTXQX0zMl/5QnQO1dT/3lPgtx0IHFxYGXlYYV3nj S3hhklFAJCJUoKQ8mQff2sQMbGDIjIxdHxdx7KAwvitVg4xw4aA3ObsmsgNx+YIvexph DlTECXXhkH+kYLkg7nt4UchdhEnGMNhWVrcYM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:51:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:51:15 +0000 (UTC) 2011/12/15, van Sinn : > Reyn Ouwehand wrote: >> If your material has to end on a CD, record on 88.2kHz. If it's for film >> record on 96kHz. Due to the math.. > > I assume you mean that an 88.2 Khz sample only needs to downscaled by a > factor > two to arrive at 44.1 Khz.. > Which isn't so. The 88.2 signal will need to be calculated and dithered > exactly the same way as with any other bitrate. that makes sense. guess i got it from bob katz book. 96 Khz should better for compatibility matters, 88.2 Khz because uses less storage space, but quality humanly indistinguishable, suposing a stable clock for both sample rates on the same capturing device. .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 19:50:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65D7218351B; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6oe+D+9U3qT3kzGX7t52Zijso2EspdU3jFJy8fRM19Y=; b=IZaHSkkIqNM5DyoUKpu5Kc9rsO1smNEBwB/LBWo39js4kViOaKXqWu5Q+4h6Tr7QMQ RWjSVqKhSUetkYVXrbPQLvNP5lH4RFxnbb+UjClw4GMg49lGovpvqjHtjQfpAJ7oB0fv VN//E6OECxmOOuIC2kKZYMcgyddkVNiMVz28k= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CE8969D30A4652-D8C-8661E@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> References: <59444C55598A43E6996DE93B19D5E69D@mpeserver> <8CE8969D30A4652-D8C-8661E@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:50:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: is really OT: Cigarette From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6151d2c959fb04b426ccda Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:50:45 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6151d2c959fb04b426ccda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 :-D 2011/12/15 michael klobuchar > > > a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner, and your > rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing screen with > endless possibilities. > > very well put Bill > > -Michael > > > > > i always knew young bill was a closet LUDDITE.....but my cold heart skipped a few beats when i saw he was using a > > telephone/pad/pod/tool of SATAN in his kit!..... technology is moving way to fast for this boy!.....i don't even understand > > half of the commercials i see for phones and things of that ilk.....i feel like i am living in a foreign land..... > > -- Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba6151d2c959fb04b426ccda Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :-D 2011/12/15 michael klobuchar <nemoguitt@aol.com>= ; > = a basic looper is your practice pal, your song writing partner, and your rhythmic butt kicker all in one, it doesn't have to be a glowing screen= with endless possibilities. very well put Bill -Michael i always knew young bill was a closet LU= DDITE.....but my cold heart skipped a few beats when i saw he was using a <= /font> telephone/pad/pod/tool= of SATAN in his kit!..... technology is moving way to fast for this boy!..= ...i don't even understand half of the commercials i see for phones and things = of that ilk.....i feel like i am living in a foreign land..... =20 -- Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba6151d2c959fb04b426ccda-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 20:37:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B77F918351C; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EEA5A72.1020203@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:37:06 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11_11_11 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:37:13 +0000 (UTC) On 12/15/11 11:21 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > hi rick, did you download my files for this yet? > > ta > > sim > > Oh god, Simeon, I've been so overwhelmed with other things. I just have been putting things in a file to download later because I was ill for 3 weeks and am now preparing for a big festival performance in LA in three days. Please forgive me. I'll go download it right now. Sorry, mate, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 20:41:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97AB418351C; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EEA5B59.4000303@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:40:57 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11_11_11 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:41:04 +0000 (UTC) On 12/15/11 11:21 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > hi rick, did you download my files for this yet? > > ta > > sim > > OKEE DOKEE, The his res file should be downloaded in 15 minutes. I'm so sorry for the delay. I'll get on this right after Christmas, I promise. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 20:51:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A86CB183517; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 713008754/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.45/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.45 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsBAGhd6k5YbR4t/2dsb2JhbAAMN6gihgsBAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBh3a4f4hqgxoEmjCMcQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,359,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="713008754" Message-ID: <4EEA5DEC.9000801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:51:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Van Sinn wrote: > > Sorry for the lengthy post, don't apologise, your time is appreciated. ...here are the customary nitpicks > The 88.2 signal will need to be calculated and dithered > exactly the same way as with any other bitrate. I don't know if that's true. For a 2:1 Sample Rate Conversion it's only necessary to low pass appropriately and then throw away 1/2 the samples. To convert 96:44.1 needs interpolation as well, and that may introduce artefacts. (not all audio recording software is equal as regards this) Dithering surely isn't relevant to SRC, only to bit depth. > So 16 bit would suffice just fine for the raw recordings. > To avoid loosing any 'bit' of > information during the process Surely that applies to the original recording, especially if it's bit's are going to be "stretched out" by processing. Anyway, it seems the verdict is "Record at 24bit/44kHz unless you've tried a higher sample rate and got better results." andy andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 20:57:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D71183525; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EEA5F43.50907@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:57:39 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7l7tqB.A.XBB.P9l6OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:57:51 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Living Planet" on Poundsounds. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#dec Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 21:36:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD603183522; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EEA6854.9080809@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:36:20 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dennis Moser CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020902020809090303020301" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:36:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020902020809090303020301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > So the answer is --- if you use the headphone jack, you get ANALOG > audio. If you use anything that plugs into the 30-pin connector, like > the Alesis ioDock, you get digital audio. I wonder if there are any other and notably cheaper ways to get digital audio out from the iPad. Anyone know of any? rick walker --------------020902020809090303020301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: So the answer is — if you use the headphone jack, you get ANALOG audio. If you use anything that plugs into the 30-pin connector, like the Alesis ioDock, you get digital audio. I wonder if there are any other and notably cheaper ways to get digital audio out from the iPad. Anyone know of any? rick walker --------------020902020809090303020301-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 21:43:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 736CA183519; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=i+9oSvzrWLPTGvOuhAJPQ4SFMDUlPJ3rcshNDytCL9A=; b=kQ3Tyu2ibfUYZXTxjPc7DOqEfVQWNgf9D4VMRCE4vVvll4urryatBptSZPxi/NKDER 5QcykV4UROXriLau3uZK/212gM3zzZ1q/uBK2149uomSwz8h++inH17TTjh80P4dPnXq Te4I4SeJYZ73xoLAacCr82GZVTje5fsUuNHYk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EEA5B59.4000303@cruzio.com> References: <4EEA5B59.4000303@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:43:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11_11_11 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fad5d54609404b428603d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:43:35 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fad5d54609404b428603d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I had my 11/11/11 track ready and was about to upload it, then found out it was corrupted! damn! :-) Well, it was such an odd thing, maybe it was better left in the digital heaven :-D 2011/12/15 Rick Walker > On 12/15/11 11:21 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > >> hi rick, did you download my files for this yet? >> >> ta >> >> sim >> >> >> OKEE DOKEE, > > The his res file should be downloaded in 15 minutes. > I'm so sorry for the delay. > > I'll get on this right after Christmas, I promise. > > Rick > > -- Petri Lahtinen --20cf300fad5d54609404b428603d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had my 11/11/11 track ready and was about to upload it, then found out it= was corrupted! damn! :-) Well, it was such an odd thing, maybe it was b= etter left in the digital heaven :-D 2011/12/15 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> On 12/15/11 11:21 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: hi rick, did you download my files for this yet? ta sim OKEE DOKEE, The his res file should be downloaded in 15 minutes. I'm so sorry for the delay. I'll get on this right after Christmas, =A0I promise. Rick -- Petri Lah= tinen --20cf300fad5d54609404b428603d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 21:44:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBF6218350D; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/d2Tt5W+JPTD+kK+jk2is0HqNLJpILWzKqJ5L2oeQgU=; b=JLY5WhrOOzi/XZ+L2rq8E35VEEVxoB2mgN8g/C9rab0I+o54o111w8vAxem9yOfJLW bGeaBkBIcbgpI905CUeo30q+h/rQ4+Fe9R01qeXof40bfUkmBH+JTUqk5FRAXbwtxb4H 5jq2KN+C77H5OKwn2fc9lrxnQ+48s5w4/RDmI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EEA6854.9080809@cruzio.com> References: <4EEA6854.9080809@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:44:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:44:44 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I wonder if there are any other and notably cheaper ways > to get digital audio out from the iPad. > > Anyone know of any? Render as file on disc, but that ain't real-time. However, it may be ok for an application that works similarly to Ableton Live in that you don't actually record audio but your mangling of playback of audio that already exist as source files on disc. Then the interesting part is your mangling performance and you may leave the iPad to take its time to render a high quality audio file of that. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 22:15:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35E9B183462; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-12-15_06:2011-12-15,2011-12-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1112150251 Subject: Re: Midi in Live 8 From: Bingham Steve In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:15:33 +0000 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <8A67DA9E-B9E5-4B2E-9A06-5E843027A3E4@me.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1249) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, Thanks! Your Midi port suggestion sounds like the solution I might need: = I have a midi to USB converter so will try it out now=85.. Cheers, Steve On 15 Dec 2011, at 00:43, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Bingham Steve = wrote: >> However as soon as there is audio playing then moving either of the = expression pedals does what it's meant to, but also causes clicks and = glitches in the audio! >=20 >=20 > HI Steve, >=20 > MIDI port: > Long ago I had this "CC# sweep causing zipper noise" issue with an RME > Multiface audio interface when using the RME's MIDI ports. I found a > solution in not using the MIDI ports on the Audio Interface but a > cheap MIDI-to-USB cable/converter instead. >=20 > Badly coded plugin: > Recently I've also had "CC# sweep causing zipper noise" issues related > to the SoundToys plugin EchoBoy. I talked to the developers about that > and had it confirmed that they know about the issue (but fixing it is > not their highest priority). When the plugin caused noise I was > controlling three of EchoBoy's parameters simultaneously from the same > CC# swept by the expression pedal. I fixed this issue by only > controlling one continuous parameter in EchoBoy and directing the > signal through two other plugins/mixer stages where I applied the same > exp pedal CC# to affect the other two aspects of the live morphing > sound. >=20 > The audio interface I use now, RME Fireface400, is flawless with no > issues. Only convenience is the reason I plug everything in by USB > cables into a USB hub on the MBP - the 400's MIDI interface doesn't > have the issues of the earlier Multiface. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 23:16:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7C0318345E; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-12-15_06:2011-12-15,2011-12-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1112150266 Subject: Re: Midi in Live 8 From: Bingham Steve In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:15:56 +0000 Message-id: <31653F1C-D87C-4658-B4DE-27659D61ED2E@me.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1249) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi again Per! This gets more interesting: I tried connecting via a midi to USB box, but that didn't make any difference. I also tried turning a basic Live setup with no plugins. That didn't work. Actually the expression pedal connected via my 12Step seems to be working OK. It's just the one controlling SL, which is going via the pedal 1 port on my Gordius LG, which is making the "zipper" noise. More experimenting shows that actually any midi signal coming from the LG makes a noise - so pressing a button switch on the LG makes a very slight click through the speakers. This happens whatever midi port setup I seem to have within Live; whatever way the midi from the LG is connected (via my sound interface / or midi to USB box / or direct USB). The same expression pedal connected via the 12Step works fine, and a different pedal on the LG still "zips"! I tried removing the 12Step from the equation and just connecting the LG - no change. Since I've used expression pedals with the LG in Logic for over a year, the problem seems like it must be down to something in Live 8. Can't fathom out what though! All the best, Steve On 15 Dec 2011, at 00:43, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Bingham Steve wrote: >> However as soon as there is audio playing then moving either of the expression pedals does what it's meant to, but also causes clicks and glitches in the audio! > > > HI Steve, > > MIDI port: > Long ago I had this "CC# sweep causing zipper noise" issue with an RME > Multiface audio interface when using the RME's MIDI ports. I found a > solution in not using the MIDI ports on the Audio Interface but a > cheap MIDI-to-USB cable/converter instead. > > Badly coded plugin: > Recently I've also had "CC# sweep causing zipper noise" issues related > to the SoundToys plugin EchoBoy. I talked to the developers about that > and had it confirmed that they know about the issue (but fixing it is > not their highest priority). When the plugin caused noise I was > controlling three of EchoBoy's parameters simultaneously from the same > CC# swept by the expression pedal. I fixed this issue by only > controlling one continuous parameter in EchoBoy and directing the > signal through two other plugins/mixer stages where I applied the same > exp pedal CC# to affect the other two aspects of the live morphing > sound. > > The audio interface I use now, RME Fireface400, is flawless with no > issues. Only convenience is the reason I plug everything in by USB > cables into a USB hub on the MBP - the 400's MIDI interface doesn't > have the issues of the earlier Multiface. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 23:43:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5949518345B; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=KXIDlj69jXhFdpkE5c6sVUYhHG2sIo9134bL1LVkovs=; b=sbC+4Fma5LtA+ZeopiiBtF5FeyhVMZIsCEf6vH7WqQ0bhOVILANs6QhsAZ7S05eHcF rBZ5aN3PEPWLJpLE3CmvOcn9LIVGvJBYAEHc0D5p6ss8XOr+iE2B888mUWwecTXh1rBg bxu+B4+lpoMnFRFZE9odWTBN6AMQDz+ijT6zI= Message-Id: <7919AB26-EEE4-4207-9FF2-AB8ECAAF6843@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4EEA6854.9080809@cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--59450279 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:43:36 -0800 References: <4EEA6854.9080809@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:43:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--59450279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > to get digital audio out from the iPad. > > Anyone know of any? It seems you can use a usb audio interface with the camera connector kit to get audio in and out but the usb interface has to be "driverless". http://blog.faberacoustical.com/2010/ios/ipad/usb-audio-devices-that-work-with-ipad/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bz_YiMUY5E&feature=player_embedded Have not tried it. BobC --Apple-Mail-2--59450279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec 15, 2011, = at 1:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote: to get digital = audio out from the iPad. Anyone know of = any? It seems = you can use a usb audio interface with the camera connector kit to get = audio in and out but the usb interface has to be = "driverless". http://blog.faberacoustical.com/2010/ios/ipad/usb-audi= o-devices-that-work-with-ipad/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8bz_YiMUY5E&feature=3Dplaye= r_embedded Have not tried = it. BobC= --Apple-Mail-2--59450279-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 23:49:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6881E18345B; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-12-15_06:2011-12-15,2011-12-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1112150275 Subject: Re: Midi in Live 8 From: Bingham Steve In-reply-to: <31653F1C-D87C-4658-B4DE-27659D61ED2E@me.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:49:21 +0000 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <31653F1C-D87C-4658-B4DE-27659D61ED2E@me.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1249) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Solved it! (after reading Per's posts in the Bidule forum) Increased the buffer slightly in Live. Great - now on with getting to know Live a bit better=85=85 Thanks Per. On 15 Dec 2011, at 23:15, Bingham Steve wrote: > Hi again Per! >=20 > This gets more interesting: I tried connecting via a midi to USB box, = but that didn't make any difference. I also tried turning a basic Live = setup with no plugins. That didn't work. Actually the expression pedal = connected via my 12Step seems to be working OK. It's just the one = controlling SL, which is going via the pedal 1 port on my Gordius LG, = which is making the "zipper" noise. >=20 > More experimenting shows that actually any midi signal coming from the = LG makes a noise - so pressing a button switch on the LG makes a very = slight click through the speakers. This happens whatever midi port setup = I seem to have within Live; whatever way the midi from the LG is = connected (via my sound interface / or midi to USB box / or direct USB). >=20 > The same expression pedal connected via the 12Step works fine, and a = different pedal on the LG still "zips"! >=20 > I tried removing the 12Step from the equation and just connecting the = LG - no change. >=20 > Since I've used expression pedals with the LG in Logic for over a = year, the problem seems like it must be down to something in Live 8. = Can't fathom out what though! >=20 > All the best, > Steve >=20 >=20 > On 15 Dec 2011, at 00:43, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Bingham Steve = wrote: >>> However as soon as there is audio playing then moving either of the = expression pedals does what it's meant to, but also causes clicks and = glitches in the audio! >>=20 >>=20 >> HI Steve, >>=20 >> MIDI port: >> Long ago I had this "CC# sweep causing zipper noise" issue with an = RME >> Multiface audio interface when using the RME's MIDI ports. I found a >> solution in not using the MIDI ports on the Audio Interface but a >> cheap MIDI-to-USB cable/converter instead. >>=20 >> Badly coded plugin: >> Recently I've also had "CC# sweep causing zipper noise" issues = related >> to the SoundToys plugin EchoBoy. I talked to the developers about = that >> and had it confirmed that they know about the issue (but fixing it is >> not their highest priority). When the plugin caused noise I was >> controlling three of EchoBoy's parameters simultaneously from the = same >> CC# swept by the expression pedal. I fixed this issue by only >> controlling one continuous parameter in EchoBoy and directing the >> signal through two other plugins/mixer stages where I applied the = same >> exp pedal CC# to affect the other two aspects of the live morphing >> sound. >>=20 >> The audio interface I use now, RME Fireface400, is flawless with no >> issues. Only convenience is the reason I plug everything in by USB >> cables into a USB hub on the MBP - the 400's MIDI interface doesn't >> have the issues of the earlier Multiface. >>=20 >> Greetings from Sweden >>=20 >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 23:55:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8932118345C; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1Cq8VyTRxe+sEdu9ba9gfzHHIUdeQyUnl50WlnVKYqM=; b=dJlQe0EGqcDqsBDBhvtflnWdY3yeOxK/9UcVVD/A9/pIeHuWWfsp5xV42TB80XVrrv 6FIwDqamD8dS+dyVfCzA2ZA9o4Rb2Cf582IlaTA3OhIP7NSGoI220nY3Lk3Dkftdb7/S RSfofgD8UuVrGydcKUYyaXQNPDIC9T7zaXD78= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <31653F1C-D87C-4658-B4DE-27659D61ED2E@me.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:54:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Midi in Live 8 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:55:00 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Bingham Steve wrote: > Solved it! (after reading Per's posts in the Bidule forum) Glad to hear you found a solution! > Increased the buffer slightly in Live. What buffer were you running Live at when the noise happened? Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 00:21:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6EC418345C; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EpLdHMFwctqVWI33lXSGuFij23M5c5itgsI0ngNC2Tk1sXfXS3oqHVU6FjF/vmW4; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:21:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-888127584==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79952eeae5153b7ca1113e8c16e5aa87e0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:21:57 +0000 (UTC) --============_-888127584==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Van, Good to see that you're going to be writing this, it should disspel a lot of myths. There is a lot of folk wisdom out there about the "advantages" to working with higher sample rates.. but consider the following information: The AK5394 is a typical high end A/D chip used in many converter designs. It offers great performance ( such as 123dB s/n, 0.001dB filter induced passband ripple, etc). Good stuff. It employs oversampling, implemented as follows; 256x oversampling at the 48khz sample rate, 128x oversampling at 96khz, and 64x oversampling at 192khz. OK, now do the math: 256 x 48khz = 128 x 96khz = 64 x 192khz = 12.288Mhz In other words, the input is sampled at rate of 12.288Mhz independent of the system sampling rate. For one thing, this means that aliasing is nonexistent even at a "44.1khz" sample rate. Another interesting item about this converter chip (though these performance examples are typical of most converters) is that the noise and distortion figures for a -20dBfs signal level are best at the 44.1k and 48k sample rates, 3dB worse at 88.2k/96k, and 6dB worse at the 176k/192k rates. In terms of distortion percentage they nearly triple compared to the 44.1k/48k rates. It's no wonder that people with sensitive ears hear a difference at 96k or 192k... ;-) At 19:33 +0100 15/12/11, van Sinn wrote: >This is actually one of the topics I'm about writing up on in a series of >technical articles, starting mid january on adadepot.com . > >Sorry for the lengthy post, but it's difficult to explain in a short post. > > >Sampling rate: > >Many audio interfaces simply aren't build to function equally correctly at >both low and high sampling rates, and thus may work better at the higher >sample rates. > >For this reason some/many says that sampling at higher rates produce >better audio quality with their particular interface. >My comment to reality is: If the chosen gear does sound better at higher >sample rates, by all means of course use it this way ;) > >From a theory point of view, sampling at higher bitrates makes absolutely no >difference. >The Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem in clear math states that a signal can be >accurately reproduced at half the sampling frequency - provided infinitely >steep anti-aliasing filters are employed. >See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist-Shannon_sampling_theorem > >Older designs using analog filters often had issues with such >filters being unable to completely cut off aliasing products. > >For more than a decade, modern AD/DA converters has had build-in >digital antialiasing filters which, alongside with oversampling, >results in very steep slopes, making it fairly easy to reproduce >20Khz from 44.1Khz sampling. > >It is interesting to note that (64 to 256 times) oversampling >converters actually up- and downsamples to the wanted sample rate. >In other words, although we may choose a certain sampling rate with >our interface, the converter internally samples at a much higher >rate, and then converts this to our desired rate. > > >Sampling word width: > >We get approx 6.06 dB per bit, or in practical terms 6dB/bit. >So 16 bit gives us a dynamic range of 96 dB (which can be improved >using aggressive noise shaping). > >Most practical music gear, unless being quite pro, will not have this dynamic >range, and much less a signal/noise ration even approaching 96dB. >My RME quadmic mic preamp has 120dB range, but the rest of my gear >doesn't, and building a project studio with a noise floor at even -80dB is a >dire and expensive task. > >So 16 bit would suffice just fine for the raw recordings. >However, it's a different issue once we start to work on those samples. > >Every time we add two equally sized full-scale samples, the result >will be twice as large; an increase of 6 dB. Expressed in bits: >Adding two full 24 bit signals will result in a 25 bit signal (1 bit = 6 dB). >Using EQ and myriads of effects will all make the resulting signal grow. > >Even if we keep the signal normalized on the DAW, it still grows - it >just grows downwards, that is, it'll have more and more lower bits. >We cannot simply truncate or ignore those lower bits, as they all contains >information about the signal. > >When we at some point convert to the final 44.1/16 format, all bits in this >large-bit signal are used as part of the conversion and dithering process. > >A main reason why the DAW world has been moving from 24 bit to 32 >bit, and resently to 64 bit processing: To avoid loosing any 'bit' >of information during the process, and only at the final stage >convert to 44.1/16. > >I said above that 16 bits would work just fine for recording.. >While this is true, the recording engineer would have to fairly accurately >place the audio fairly close to full-scale, and overshoots could easily occur >(like the sax bloving extra hard, or someone spitting in the mic). >Using 20 or 24 bits makes the recording process somewhat easier ;) > >Succeding processing will work jsut fine on those 16/20/24 bit >samples in 32 or 64 bit formats used internally in the DAW. > > >Reyn Ouwehand wrote: >>If your material has to end on a CD, record on 88.2kHz. If it's for film >>record on 96kHz. Due to the math.. > >I assume you mean that an 88.2 Khz sample only needs to downscaled by a factor >two to arrive at 44.1 Khz.. >Which isn't so. The 88.2 signal will need to be calculated and dithered >exactly the same way as with any other bitrate. > > >Rick Walker wrote: >>On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans wrote: >> >>>I record all my gigs at 96-24. Better to archive, and better to >>>produce, in high-res and downsample at the last stage. >> >>What I've always wondered: >> >>Does a recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 >>sound better than a recording sampled only at 44-16, initially. >> >>And if so, what's the logic? >> >>Daniel Thomas once explained the answer to me a long time ago, but >>I have completely forgotten what >>he told me. Please forgive the brain fart. >> >>Rick Walker > > >-- >rgds, >van Sinn -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-888127584==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording Van, Good to see that you're going to be writing this, it should disspel a lot of myths. There is a lot of folk wisdom out there about the "advantages" to working with higher sample rates.. but consider the following information: The AK5394 is a typical high end A/D chip used in many converter designs. It offers great performance ( such as 123dB s/n, 0.001dB filter induced passband ripple, etc). Good stuff. It employs oversampling, implemented as follows; 256x oversampling at the 48khz sample rate, 128x oversampling at 96khz, and 64x oversampling at 192khz. OK, now do the math: 256 x 48khz = 128 x 96khz = 64 x 192khz = 12.288Mhz In other words, the input is sampled at rate of 12.288Mhz independent of the system sampling rate. For one thing, this means that aliasing is nonexistent even at a "44.1khz" sample rate. Another interesting item about this converter chip (though these performance examples are typical of most converters) is that the noise and distortion figures for a -20dBfs signal level are best at the 44.1k and 48k sample rates, 3dB worse at 88.2k/96k, and 6dB worse at the 176k/192k rates. In terms of distortion percentage they nearly triple compared to the 44.1k/48k rates. It's no wonder that people with sensitive ears hear a difference at 96k or 192k... ;-) At 19:33 +0100 15/12/11, van Sinn wrote: This is actually one of the topics I'm about writing up on in a series of technical articles, starting mid january on adadepot.com . Sorry for the lengthy post, but it's difficult to explain in a short post. Sampling rate: Many audio interfaces simply aren't build to function equally correctly at both low and high sampling rates, and thus may work better at the higher sample rates. For this reason some/many says that sampling at higher rates produce better audio quality with their particular interface. My comment to reality is: If the chosen gear does sound better at higher sample rates, by all means of course use it this way ;) >From a theory point of view, sampling at higher bitrates makes absolutely no difference. The Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem in clear math states that a signal can be accurately reproduced at half the sampling frequency - provided infinitely steep anti-aliasing filters are employed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist-Shannon_sampling_theorem Older designs using analog filters often had issues with such filters being unable to completely cut off aliasing products. For more than a decade, modern AD/DA converters has had build-in digital antialiasing filters which, alongside with oversampling, results in very steep slopes, making it fairly easy to reproduce 20Khz from 44.1Khz sampling. It is interesting to note that (64 to 256 times) oversampling converters actually up- and downsamples to the wanted sample rate. In other words, although we may choose a certain sampling rate with our interface, the converter internally samples at a much higher rate, and then converts this to our desired rate. Sampling word width: We get approx 6.06 dB per bit, or in practical terms 6dB/bit. So 16 bit gives us a dynamic range of 96 dB (which can be improved using aggressive noise shaping). Most practical music gear, unless being quite pro, will not have this dynamic range, and much less a signal/noise ration even approaching 96dB. My RME quadmic mic preamp has 120dB range, but the rest of my gear doesn't, and building a project studio with a noise floor at even -80dB is a dire and expensive task. So 16 bit would suffice just fine for the raw recordings. However, it's a different issue once we start to work on those samples. Every time we add two equally sized full-scale samples, the result will be twice as large; an increase of 6 dB. Expressed in bits: Adding two full 24 bit signals will result in a 25 bit signal (1 bit = 6 dB). Using EQ and myriads of effects will all make the resulting signal grow. Even if we keep the signal normalized on the DAW, it still grows - it just grows downwards, that is, it'll have more and more lower bits. We cannot simply truncate or ignore those lower bits, as they all contains information about the signal. When we at some point convert to the final 44.1/16 format, all bits in this large-bit signal are used as part of the conversion and dithering process. A main reason why the DAW world has been moving from 24 bit to 32 bit, and resently to 64 bit processing: To avoid loosing any 'bit' of information during the process, and only at the final stage convert to 44.1/16. I said above that 16 bits would work just fine for recording.. While this is true, the recording engineer would have to fairly accurately place the audio fairly close to full-scale, and overshoots could easily occur (like the sax bloving extra hard, or someone spitting in the mic). Using 20 or 24 bits makes the recording process somewhat easier ;) Succeding processing will work jsut fine on those 16/20/24 bit samples in 32 or 64 bit formats used internally in the DAW. Reyn Ouwehand wrote: If your material has to end on a CD, record on 88.2kHz. If it's for film record on 96kHz. Due to the math.. I assume you mean that an 88.2 Khz sample only needs to downscaled by a factor two to arrive at 44.1 Khz.. Which isn't so. The 88.2 signal will need to be calculated and dithered exactly the same way as with any other bitrate. Rick Walker wrote: On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans wrote: I record all my gigs at 96-24. Better to archive, and better to produce, in high-res and downsample at the last stage. What I've always wondered: Does a recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 sound better than a recording sampled only at 44-16, initially. And if so, what's the logic? Daniel Thomas once explained the answer to me a long time ago, but I have completely forgotten what he told me. Please forgive the brain fart. Rick Walker -- rgds, van Sinn -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-888127584==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 00:58:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C9EB18345E; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=uf1wwrwoXmhZokfhUQtjIprrxGYi+rL9uIt6USdOYsA=; b=IDvFpzzV+t/xbDIHpRILYHcC/bPP7YINAgXxCnSCSz7Duc5nE+kOEETQnQvGCyDX+g hkVIyQczWLRWyu8aRgMKmx6T8yTQKWU1qbl3RkH+KBuQE9grUnzSGWLsRFrBQdJ22cxT 90qI8rOKpqNcnArCyWvUgqz2YJpU/Ten91r3Q= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:58:33 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:58:40 +0000 (UTC) no, look, it has analog audio, too: http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/iPhone_connector_pinout.shtml but since it has USB and even Firewire, I suspect the dock uses the = digital audio really. On 15 Dec 2011, at 11:47, Dennis Moser wrote: > Andy, >=20 > :D =85 no worries. I didn't know what the audio was coming off that > 30-pin either. However, this SHOULD answer the question: >=20 > = http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Can-you-get-audio-digital-out-iP= ad >=20 > To answer the question about the iPad outputting digital audio -> The > headphone jack is only analog. But the dock connector can output > digital audio with the camera connection kit. You can only connect to > a 16 bit USB DAC, but at least it's digital out. A good 16 bit DAC for > this is the Devilsound / Halide Design DAC." >=20 > So the answer is =97 if you use the headphone jack, you get ANALOG > audio. If you use anything that plugs into the 30-pin connector, like > the Alesis ioDock, you get digital audio. >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 01:47:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92C6218345D; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BHWaI00zQrgLiA7S/5pwfD0TiOU1BFQrdLZlraprdZk=; b=lUmX9j2c4wHp0oRmP/PzttDaFcjTbQ0fiv/d6acLkM4FAW8vOi8//AXwC5t29N2w0K 6ee4dMr+hn1ZgZIHHZn7njIsjpr7OwVaAKkWcX0tdfNflCoX9dAgWJH7U5A9VzevSlDe KblBkK+7LHvpnZI5EMBAZyyG91oq3BZNrKON0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:47:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Analog audio is out of the headphone jack =97 digital is out of the 30-pin =85 and the Alesis dock is USB only, no Firewire=85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > no, look, it has analog audio, too: > > http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/iPhone_connector_pinout.shtml > > but since it has USB and even Firewire, I suspect the dock uses the digit= al audio really. > > On 15 Dec 2011, at 11:47, Dennis Moser wrote: > >> Andy, >> >> :D =85 no worries. I didn't know what the audio was coming off that >> 30-pin either. =A0However, this SHOULD answer the question: >> >> http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Can-you-get-audio-digital-out-= iPad >> >> To answer the question about the iPad outputting digital audio -> The >> headphone jack is only analog. But the dock connector can output >> digital audio with the camera connection kit. You can only connect to >> a 16 bit USB DAC, but at least it's digital out. A good 16 bit DAC for >> this is the Devilsound / Halide Design DAC." >> >> So the answer is =97 if you use the headphone jack, you get ANALOG >> audio. If you use anything that plugs into the 30-pin connector, like >> the Alesis ioDock, you get digital audio. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 03:36:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38C6818345A; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6B317757-6DD7-4A57-BE4E-5E498E6EE2E2@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: is really OT: Cigarette Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:36:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Petri, I'm sorry that things are difficult in Finland right now, and I hope you navigate these waters without too much strife. These are indeed tenuous times we live in. Regarding Joseph Arthur, he has been around for a while, Peter Gabriel signed him to real world in the mid 90's. he's always been somewhat under the radar, like another favorite of mine Ron Sexsmith who is also worth checking out. Take care Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 09:15:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FB5C18345B; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:15:12 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_997f72bc-05c6-42e7-b44a-b2cb197e3bfe_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: OT: is really OT: Cigarette Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:10:11 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6B317757-6DD7-4A57-BE4E-5E498E6EE2E2@baymoon.com> References: <6B317757-6DD7-4A57-BE4E-5E498E6EE2E2@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2011 09:10:11.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[83C5B400:01CCBBD2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:15:12 +0000 (UTC) --_997f72bc-05c6-42e7-b44a-b2cb197e3bfe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont know if it has been mentioned because of my rather spiralling backwa= rds dated email=2C=20 but his "live at Gypsy Tea Room " album contains some wonderful and in its = day complex sounding looping. paticularly Big City Secret. I remember fondly how impressed I was back in a time where I owned just a = DL4 and a RC 20=20 > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: is really OT: Cigarette > Date: Thu=2C 15 Dec 2011 19:36:03 -0800 >=20 > Petri=2C I'm sorry that things are difficult in Finland right now=2C an= d =20 > I hope you navigate these waters without too much strife. These are =20 > indeed tenuous times we live in. Regarding Joseph Arthur=2C he has been = =20 > around for a while=2C Peter Gabriel signed him to real world in the mid = =20 > 90's. he's always been somewhat under the radar=2C like another favorite = =20 > of mine Ron Sexsmith who is also worth checking out. > Take care > Bill >=20 = --_997f72bc-05c6-42e7-b44a-b2cb197e3bfe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont know if it has been mentioned because of my rather spiralling backwa= rds dated email=2C but his "live at Gypsy Tea Room " album contains= some wonderful and in its day complex sounding looping. paticularly= Big City Secret. I remember fondly how impressed I was back in a ti= me where I owned just a =3B DL4 and a RC 20 >=3B From: billwalker@baymoon.com >=3B To: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=3B Subject: Re: OT: is really OT:= Cigarette >=3B Date: Thu=2C 15 Dec 2011 19:36:03 -0800 >=3B = >=3B Petri=2C I'm sorry that things are difficult in Finland right now= =2C and >=3B I hope you navigate these waters without too much strif= e. These are >=3B indeed tenuous times we live in. Regarding Joseph = Arthur=2C he has been >=3B around for a while=2C Peter Gabriel signe= d him to real world in the mid >=3B 90's. he's always been somewhat = under the radar=2C like another favorite >=3B of mine Ron Sexsmith w= ho is also worth checking out. >=3B Take care >=3B Bill &g= t=3B = --_997f72bc-05c6-42e7-b44a-b2cb197e3bfe_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 09:42:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B4CD18345E; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 713201051/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.45/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.45 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANkR605YbR4t/2dsb2JhbAAMN65LAQEBAwE4RgsLISUPAkYcAYd2uHuIaoMaBJowjHE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,362,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="713201051" Message-ID: <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:42:00 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Charles Zwicky wrote: > 256 x 48khz = 128 x 96khz = 64 x 192khz = 12.288Mhz > > In other words, the input is sampled at rate of 12.288Mhz independent of > the system sampling rate. > > For one thing, this means that aliasing is nonexistent even at a > "44.1khz" sample rate. Interesting, what's the bit depth at the 12.288Mhz rate? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 10:03:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63EBB183450; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 713209049/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.45/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.45 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnkDAGwW605YbR4t/2dsb2JhbAAMN6onhCIBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGHfrhyiGqDGgSaMIxy X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,362,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="713209049" Message-ID: <4EEB1788.4040408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:03:52 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Matthias Grob wrote: > no, look, it has analog audio, too: > > http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/iPhone_connector_pinout.shtml > > but since it has USB and even Firewire, I suspect the dock uses the digital audio really. The Alesis Dock didn't have anything about sample rates in it's specs that I could see. That's why I suspect it's sending to the analog pins. Could be otherwise of course. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 13:12:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EC59183454; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=9bmwxKglye5Ws+8hHR9nP6rQTlVn19kSLaYgI46mINs=; b=trbXb/aWytbe88mUdVeWKt43QVwpSk0GMfX1aNFk+uWLH/M6GYvIGhjr5+ahRQYJDt swot3x+WkXtoIwWr6wb0MTa+1NRbZIoCAklovplpm8ibzrhFXJD9G9a+Fi6m168dee6l 1T7vAcSFlpmOJXYQCtVQhQSvMkDmT5g2zOPm8= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:11:59 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:12:14 +0000 (UTC) you may be right, but where do you take that information from, Dennis? the analog definitely is on the 30pin, too! On 15 Dec 2011, at 22:47, Dennis Moser wrote: > Analog audio is out of the headphone jack =97 digital is out of the > 30-pin =85 and the Alesis dock is USB only, no Firewire=85 >=20 > Best, >=20 > Dennis >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Matthias Grob = wrote: >> no, look, it has analog audio, too: >>=20 >> http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/iPhone_connector_pinout.shtml >>=20 >> but since it has USB and even Firewire, I suspect the dock uses the = digital audio really. >>=20 >> On 15 Dec 2011, at 11:47, Dennis Moser wrote: >>=20 >>> Andy, >>>=20 >>> :D =85 no worries. I didn't know what the audio was coming off that >>> 30-pin either. However, this SHOULD answer the question: >>>=20 >>> = http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Can-you-get-audio-digital-out-iP= ad >>>=20 >>> To answer the question about the iPad outputting digital audio -> = The >>> headphone jack is only analog. But the dock connector can output >>> digital audio with the camera connection kit. You can only connect = to >>> a 16 bit USB DAC, but at least it's digital out. A good 16 bit DAC = for >>> this is the Devilsound / Halide Design DAC." >>>=20 >>> So the answer is =97 if you use the headphone jack, you get ANALOG >>> audio. If you use anything that plugs into the 30-pin connector, = like >>> the Alesis ioDock, you get digital audio. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 13:18:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCB2B18345D; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=psM9ztPWJxgkbpDOc7MsfHomGVJjqsKpyt3KA0teqNnQ16q3qVjv68Z+mryK5Ud3; h=Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <525F06F3-BB19-438B-B9FE-66F404C33D85@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:18:15 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7907c81bd92219e1eff65334efc8d88251350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.131.171.184 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Bit depth is independent of sample rate.=20 The bit depth simply determines the number of discreet amplitude levels whic= h can be quantified at each sample. The number is expressed as an exponent o= f 2 (because each bit is binary - a 1 or a 0). 16 bits =3D 2^16 =3D 16,535 a= mplitude values, 24 bits =3D 2^24 =3D16,777,216...! Sent from my iPad Nano On Dec 16, 2011, at 4:42 AM, andy butler wrote: > Charles Zwicky wrote: >=20 >> 256 x 48khz =3D 128 x 96khz =3D 64 x 192khz =3D 12.288Mhz >> In other words, the input is sampled at rate of 12.288Mhz independent of t= he system sampling rate. >> For one thing, this means that aliasing is nonexistent even at a "44.1khz= " sample rate. =20 >=20 >=20 > Interesting, > what's the bit depth at the 12.288Mhz rate? >=20 > andy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 14:25:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0C0A18345F; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 710087266/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.45/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.45 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBABpU605YbR4t/2dsb2JhbAAMOK5KAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRkDAcBfiGqDGgSaMIxy X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,363,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="710087266" Message-ID: <4EEB54DE.3080908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:25:34 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> <525F06F3-BB19-438B-B9FE-66F404C33D85@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <525F06F3-BB19-438B-B9FE-66F404C33D85@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Whose on first base? I didn't mean that. rather to question what the *numerical* bit depth of the 12.288Mhz sampling would be. I was prompted to doing that by looking up "how does an oversampling ADC work?" and reading that the sampling was at 1bit. Now, I'm easily convinced that sampling at 16bit 12.288Mhz and digital filtering to 44kHz would rid of aliasing very easily, ....but not so convinced (yet) knowing about the 1 bit sampling. andy Charles Zwicky wrote: > Bit depth is independent of sample rate. > The bit depth simply determines the number of discreet amplitude levels which can be quantified at each sample. The number is expressed as an exponent of 2 (because each bit is binary - a 1 or a 0). 16 bits = 2^16 = 16,535 amplitude values, 24 bits = 2^24 > =16,777,216...! > > > Sent from my iPad Nano > > On Dec 16, 2011, at 4:42 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> Charles Zwicky wrote: >> >>> 256 x 48khz = 128 x 96khz = 64 x 192khz = 12.288Mhz >>> In other words, the input is sampled at rate of 12.288Mhz independent of the system sampling rate. >>> For one thing, this means that aliasing is nonexistent even at a "44.1khz" sample rate. >> >> Interesting, >> what's the bit depth at the 12.288Mhz rate? >> >> andy >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 15:15:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25052183460; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zxk29iZCLKJqxP+KBv2nPw61EaxEi2jD4CYUSgKe8d4=; b=bHI2k+CJN1kWAlO6OqTKAh/YvTVnaHmYtEV0jJrLULyvl7/KC+MouKAJ1ZhVhQ4NTd ELcUc3I1hQCIk6/dqwBIkYb7uBXT/J0RSMHNhITiOjNx6pIJoRUAsHSY8fjPbElpO9HP FwffUt+LWIrDSiJ3DbrbssWNPVJ55k6D/7uFc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:15:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Matthias, I posted this yesterday: " http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Can-you-get-audio-digital-out-iPa= d "Submitted by The Computer Au... on Sat, 08/14/2010 - 20:24. Joined: 11/28/2007 .:. Offline .:. Comments: 8508 Hi ajax - I'm a bit confused Hi ajax - I'm a bit confused at what exactly your friend is trying to accomplish. I'm sure it's something very neat but right now I'm lost :~) To answer the question about the iPad outputting digital audio -> The headphone jack is only analog. But the dock connector can output digital audio with the camera connection kit. You can only connect to a 16 bit USB DAC, but at least it's digital out. A good 16 bit DAC for this is the Devilsound / Halide Design DAC." **** But I stand corrected on one count: the Alesis ioDock does not appear to do ANY conversion. While the 30-pin connector DOES carry a digital audio signal (that's what makes it possible to use an HDMI connection to have Hi-Def A/V) apparently the ioDock is using ONLY the analog audio signal. Still haven't' found a definitive answer/source for that, but that's the conclusion I'm getting to on what I'm finding. I suppose that technically you could grab the digital signal off the right pins if you knew how to design the hardware & software to do it=85that's a bit beyond me, tho'! Best, Dennis "Who is NOT an audio engineer" http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > you may be right, but where do you take that information from, Dennis? > the analog definitely is on the 30pin, too! > > On 15 Dec 2011, at 22:47, Dennis Moser wrote: > >> Analog audio is out of the headphone jack =97 digital is out of the >> 30-pin =85 and the Alesis dock is USB only, no Firewire=85 >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Matthias Grob wro= te: >>> no, look, it has analog audio, too: >>> >>> http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/iPhone_connector_pinout.shtml >>> >>> but since it has USB and even Firewire, I suspect the dock uses the dig= ital audio really. >>> >>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 11:47, Dennis Moser wrote: >>> >>>> Andy, >>>> >>>> :D =85 no worries. I didn't know what the audio was coming off that >>>> 30-pin either. =A0However, this SHOULD answer the question: >>>> >>>> http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Can-you-get-audio-digital-ou= t-iPad >>>> >>>> To answer the question about the iPad outputting digital audio -> The >>>> headphone jack is only analog. But the dock connector can output >>>> digital audio with the camera connection kit. You can only connect to >>>> a 16 bit USB DAC, but at least it's digital out. A good 16 bit DAC for >>>> this is the Devilsound / Halide Design DAC." >>>> >>>> So the answer is =97 if you use the headphone jack, you get ANALOG >>>> audio. If you use anything that plugs into the 30-pin connector, like >>>> the Alesis ioDock, you get digital audio. >>>> >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 15:18:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E656C183453; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NFVEk2w4HIKNRclsB7TkcB+Gj1pYIZHQQp6sPTmtTircNB29PZGUFO82YLx0wVPF; h=Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> <525F06F3-BB19-438B-B9FE-66F404C33D85@earthlink.net> <4EEB54DE.3080908@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EEB54DE.3080908@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1C08743A-AE6C-4CE2-907F-9F29D9BA1B49@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:18:02 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79966a8a188d1afcaf04ebc6f0b17ccc14350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.131.171.184 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, I hop I am understanding your question.. The word width produced is 24 bit= s at any of the available sample rates.=20 There are no effective 1bit PCM A/D converters (DSD is a different matter). S= o in a sense it is an "apple and oranges" situation, most over sampling conv= erters use a 4 bit sigma-delta type converter but the resulting output is 24= bit resolution. In the case of the 96 I/O streams I run in my mix room, the= converter chip is capable of around 123-126dB s/n rather than the theoretic= al 144dB that 24 bits could represent. This is due to purely Physical limit= ations, which dictate for example that you cannot design a useful gain stage= with less than -129dB of noise.=20 Sent from my iPad Nano On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:25 AM, andy butler wrote: >=20 > Whose on first base? >=20 >=20 > I didn't mean that.=20 > rather to question what the *numerical* bit depth of the 12.288Mhz samplin= g would be. >=20 > I was prompted to doing that by looking up "how does an oversampling ADC w= ork?" > and reading that the sampling was at 1bit. >=20 >=20 > Now, I'm easily convinced that sampling at 16bit 12.288Mhz > and digital filtering to 44kHz would rid of aliasing very easily, > ....but not so convinced (yet) knowing about the 1 bit sampling. >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Charles Zwicky wrote: >> Bit depth is independent of sample rate. The bit depth simply determines t= he number of discreet amplitude levels which can be quantified at each sampl= e. The number is expressed as an exponent of 2 (because each bit is binary -= a 1 or a 0). 16 bits =3D 2^16 =3D 16,535 amplitude values, 24 bits =3D 2^2= 4 >> =3D16,777,216...! >> Sent from my iPad Nano >> On Dec 16, 2011, at 4:42 AM, andy butler wrote: >>> Charles Zwicky wrote: >>>=20 >>>> 256 x 48khz =3D 128 x 96khz =3D 64 x 192khz =3D 12.288Mhz >>>> In other words, the input is sampled at rate of 12.288Mhz independent o= f the system sampling rate. >>>> For one thing, this means that aliasing is nonexistent even at a "44.1k= hz" sample rate. =20 >>>=20 >>> Interesting, >>> what's the bit depth at the 12.288Mhz rate? >>>=20 >>> andy >>>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 16:18:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80C85183460; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <635C8C43-9FAE-4250-A3DE-3CC8C550D014@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-227950 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: OT: is really OT: Cigarette Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:18:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-227950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool Phil I'll check that out. "I dont know if it has been mentioned because of my rather spiralling backwards dated email, but his "live at Gypsy Tea Room " album contains some wonderful and in its day complex sounding looping. paticularly Big City Secret." --Apple-Mail-6-227950 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool Phil I'll check that out. "I dont know if it has been mentioned because of my rather spiralling backwards dated email, but his "live at Gypsy Tea Room " album contains some wonderful and in its day complex sounding looping. paticularly Big City Secret." --Apple-Mail-6-227950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 17:14:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A086E18345D; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EEB7CAE.2060009@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:15:26 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> <525F06F3-BB19-438B-B9FE-66F404C33D85@earthlink.net> <4EEB54DE.3080908@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EEB54DE.3080908@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Ahh, I see what you mean.. 1bit converters works quite differently than older parallel converters. In the old parallel converters, all bits were level set in parallel at the same time. Those were also called successive approximation converters, and was build on a ladder resistor network, each step in the ladder being calculated, and lazer trimmed to hairfine tolerenses, to power-of-2 voltage steps. A 1bit converter will look at the level difference in the analog signal from each convertion sample to the next, and set the next word to the determined new value. In other words, it's based on voltage/level comparators. And no, it doesn't change one bit only at a time ;) andy butler wrote: > > Whose on first base? > > > I didn't mean that. > rather to question what the *numerical* bit depth of the 12.288Mhz > sampling would be. > > I was prompted to doing that by looking up "how does an oversampling ADC > work?" > and reading that the sampling was at 1bit. > > > Now, I'm easily convinced that sampling at 16bit 12.288Mhz > and digital filtering to 44kHz would rid of aliasing very easily, > ....but not so convinced (yet) knowing about the 1 bit sampling. > > andy > > > > > Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> Bit depth is independent of sample rate. The bit depth simply >> determines the number of discreet amplitude levels which can be >> quantified at each sample. The number is expressed as an exponent of 2 >> (because each bit is binary - a 1 or a 0). 16 bits = 2^16 = 16,535 >> amplitude values, 24 bits = 2^24 >> =16,777,216...! >> >> >> Sent from my iPad Nano >> >> On Dec 16, 2011, at 4:42 AM, andy butler wrote: >> >>> Charles Zwicky wrote: >>> >>>> 256 x 48khz = 128 x 96khz = 64 x 192khz = 12.288Mhz >>>> In other words, the input is sampled at rate of 12.288Mhz >>>> independent of the system sampling rate. >>>> For one thing, this means that aliasing is nonexistent even at a >>>> "44.1khz" sample rate. >>> >>> >>> Interesting, >>> what's the bit depth at the 12.288Mhz rate? >>> >>> andy >>> >> >> > > -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 17:22:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7937183454; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+Iq5+ae+Hsl96U3Ch2IwBx1XDqAr2JjqffB8uBDkoeM=; b=sQ7SDCqCp7tK67Up+EBlFGQNIhVyxAywnU3zXaUL3npxkC3lzyM8RofQjMquHrWtyT uDfDVDddRsJ82VIClQr4bTzQkvTXBvTTyvfeOSDuYCML2gr0HP0JLHPPX5XgsSHwzkmq dtVkz9n65J9Ori7knoe3Pd1rxC4S03UNVuP8E= Message-ID: <4EEB7D9A.4090105@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:19:22 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> <525F06F3-BB19-438B-B9FE-66F404C33D85@earthlink.net> <4EEB54DE.3080908@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEB7CAE.2060009@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <4EEB7CAE.2060009@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Most low-end converter designs today are 1bit delta sigma ones (the ones which look at the differences, as Van described). Hi-end stuff is usually 5bit delta sigma (also looking at the difference, but with higher resolution). Am 16.12.2011 18:15, schrieb van Sinn: > Ahh, I see what you mean.. > 1bit converters works quite differently than older parallel converters. > In the old parallel converters, all bits were level set in parallel at > the same time. > Those were also called successive approximation converters, and was > build on a ladder resistor network, each step in the ladder being > calculated, and lazer trimmed to hairfine tolerenses, to power-of-2 > voltage steps. > > A 1bit converter will look at the level difference in the analog > signal from each convertion sample to the next, and set the next word > to the determined new value. In other words, it's based on > voltage/level comparators. > And no, it doesn't change one bit only at a time ;) > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:02:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9F9518345F; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 389734.38781.bm@omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1324065766; bh=DgCRcF4Vt/+xYfLIatGHgSSDHTEnKn3N21+ohAGlRp8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=N1+uQTzJiO1svxvw0w8sZL0/qGr+PfSX2m4FRAqKVQXUv+oCDKmaWeUZFosLJZuHGrVLj6k4QFDstVOcPSNYvXdZdOykuUOGoWcZAbdbmMTWfVOOtsvqp9/I1aC1QDA30ry9DgD5tgz4FPjo5ppkZn9gesqeu0rgmwtwQs2U/g4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 006bkkoVM1mRK18MXy.bnyTFG6rDx0RR7FZQQsAZZbaO8zM Tv9uLtXNanyyPc3xbURanbdLU70jp1HhFiet3NMiVt0WuM2Cpv3ijRSXoQjl c3qXpKv2Imj5hGp3QazweRKd_bIRw.fmzOkYqo67AP2HEWX_Q.WHUbtaHTXZ Rqxtq8Ke4ud_bMJuHLQcbVMzN.SiTCCfAlg5LIauw05w43d2b6qFeNU9wILZ YwZBW_x5alQPfYNrzzcB9t.p6YRvFwBDMIjii0ZYNKez0lsooNHIAKHkHYIh R6RhRfT5Wwd_vZngZcyb.owZ9m5hLivgrcnuOIpG41H079tgL.c6BOu7ocre fslpqIpecLsmX15DRTUoPVGxw11xlWwcw2jQ.vy8Y8y4RFhvlSRw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Loopers in Rhode Island Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:02:45 -0800 Message-Id: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi,=20 I'm going to R.I., Mass. and NY in March and would like to meet some = loopers, especially in R.I. Who's out there? Laurie= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:03:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF13118345C; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OqIRbUXa1I/CdeOgwMLwX7uW843e/w6hTtRY5n4aJwA=; b=RMlkQNyOeQdla4jkXxVeDkc9EUS6VnqrsBKYv9Z+dBWGYIHspR64vItKnI8E2p3Yj1 mJ8XQbqvPj4Rq5OAsAjADubVvU0JwfoXCdh3KNy5QF0wrqX/ZtG5ggx++saH1QP26Cee AStMgZo77Mi0av9/fD/DrUBJECvLMoISD/WC0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> References: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loopers in Rhode Island From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340bd3b8d17a04b43b18a6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:03:38 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340bd3b8d17a04b43b18a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im in Mass. Im usually willing to drive. --14dae9340bd3b8d17a04b43b18a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im in Mass. Im usually willing to drive. --14dae9340bd3b8d17a04b43b18a6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:04:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4175C18345B; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wvWRKI7jFHXT/meP470kKSkQLuXe1YZpgqZzoRj44Yo=; b=kWEqjNXpBt+6XPSG/jwwRphu1bgP17Vxmxge8JiOapnI3vmj3fXwLViXjp6wtg2HrZ //WUJ2VPmIr343f1XY30JQNtU8YSbaQbM7eyoGjNt5YjhGZ0+9/n8uEmF0k6aB/WI3CB EhEy05zT0ZMAngpkQVS7XXOHg7LMitqFkBJco= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> References: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:04:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loopers in Rhode Island From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:04:26 +0000 (UTC) You're 4 years too late! I left there in 2007 =85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Hi, > I'm going to R.I., Mass. and NY in March and would like to meet some loop= ers, especially in R.I. > > Who's out there? > > Laurie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:28:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A4B518345D; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers in Rhode Island In-Reply-To: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Harry Weinberg X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE8A48718783CC_189C_1A5925_webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE8A48717B9CCE-189C-92A44@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.135.201.170] Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:28:45 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1324067326; bh=ReP4hszfszv2YqPMKI9H7GIzJGKe0BQp1C4Hb+gy9/Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v2NwtOAwG98Cl0uQgXqSY1oCC871AxZuY2ZQ9CXwMO2RxIZwXpOQ2Tx4khbEBVWFM IEUxlbqfuqk2XHcfmRSsigt8oyuvTZ1GmdJNdFRRRxZ5IYhOXddTocg76JARuxuNT0 NvNoSRTZWwduXkrsprEeAmaVdyEPjQNbNJ+/gAI8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455464768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894eeba9fd49e1 Resent-Message-ID: <4ITLDD.A.9rF.Ho66OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:28:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE8A48718783CC_189C_1A5925_webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Laurie - I'm in NY (City and Long Island). I will be away from 3/20 to = 3/29 but if you're in town earlier in March I would be pleased to get toget= her with you, my colleague in sonic mayehm, Chris Peters, and whoever else = can be drummed up. Regards, Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Realty Advisory Board On Labor Relations, Inc. 292 Madison Avenue - 16th Floor New York, N.Y. 10017 (212) 889-4100 (212) 889-4105 (F) (917) 687-6019 (C) -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Amat To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 3:02 pm Subject: Loopers in Rhode Island Hi,=20 'm going to R.I., Mass. and NY in March and would like to meet some loopers= ,=20 specially in R.I. Who's out there? Laurie ----------MB_8CE8A48718783CC_189C_1A5925_webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Laurie - I'm in = NY (City and Long Island). I will be away from 3/20 to 3/29 but if yo= u're in town earlier in March I would be pleased to get together with you, = my colleague in sonic mayehm, Chris Peters, and whoever else can be drummed= up. Regards, Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Realty Advisory Board On Labor Relations, Inc. 292 Madison Avenue - 16th Floor New York, N.Y. 10017 (212) 889-4100 (212) 889-4105 (F) (917) 687-6019 (C) = -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net> To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 3:02 pm Subject: Loopers in Rhode Island Hi,=20 I'm going to R.I., Mass. and NY in March and would like to meet some looper= s,=20 especially in R.I. Who's out there? Laurie ----------MB_8CE8A48718783CC_189C_1A5925_webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:54:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA504183461; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LPcnibbmd6XmT11RC5HKI0SpxZJCmmGZxx34lDcTo9E=; b=GXxbT4HtxmVJXz5c27s/LnoU+vMhW6NE7dyWZyXfGkRlKBW5gH97h++C3xJJgjaIbf vSw38OF7JoUjhXCATEOGC5lnHFG7p73zvhb93FDZT/s9PpFiy+Xjj+1NXa2C0nZUxSuG 3bZfVTx7seKIlrK2fZ/MUIpMpOcPqFqW25pUs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <8CE8A48717B9CCE-189C-92A44@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> References: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> <8CE8A48717B9CCE-189C-92A44@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:54:26 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tt0K90P6s1pF5ICL6DNvB7jOsks Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loopers in Rhode Island From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517510bbc72aeb804b43bce0f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:54:27 +0000 (UTC) --001517510bbc72aeb804b43bce0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 whoa, how many of y'all loopers be in MA? (i'm in boston) On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Harry Weinberg wrote: > Hi Laurie - I'm in NY (City and Long Island). I will be away from 3/20 to > 3/29 but if you're in town earlier in March I would be pleased to get > together with you, my colleague in sonic mayehm, Chris Peters, and whoever > else can be drummed up. > > Regards, > > Harry > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Realty Advisory Board On Labor Relations, Inc. > 292 Madison Avenue - 16th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10017 > (212) 889-4100 > (212) 889-4105 (F) > (917) 687-6019 (C) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Amat > To: Loopers-Delight > Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 3:02 pm > Subject: Loopers in Rhode Island > > Hi, > I'm going to R.I., Mass. and NY in March and would like to meet some loopers, > especially in R.I. > > Who's out there? > > Laurie > > --001517510bbc72aeb804b43bce0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable whoa, how many of y'all loopers be in MA? (i'm in boston) <= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Harry Weinberg <= span dir=3D"ltr"><harryesq@aol.com> wrote: Hi Laurie - I'm= in NY (City and Long Island).=A0 I will be away from 3/20 to 3/29 but if y= ou're in town earlier in March I would be pleased to get together with = you, my colleague in sonic mayehm, Chris Peters, and whoever else can be dr= ummed up. =A0 Regards, =A0 Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Realty Advisory Board On Labor Relations, Inc. 292 Madison Avenue - 16th Floor New York, N.Y. 10017 (212) 889-4100 (212) 889-4105 (F) (917) 687-6019 (C) -----= Original Message----- From: Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net> To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 3:02 pm Subject: Loopers in Rhode Island Hi,=20 I'm going to R.I., Mass. and NY in March and would like to meet some lo= opers,=20 especially in R.I. Who's out there? Laurie --001517510bbc72aeb804b43bce0f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 22:12:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE5DB18345B; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EEBC29F.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:13:51 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Indeed, specifications and math can be quite fun bastards.. ;) In my babbleings, I only thought of 64x oversample converters. Those have a quantizing frequency of just over 3Mhz at 48Khz sample rate, which likewise doesn't require any anti aliasing filters. A 2nd order filter is still employed, though, to filter any quantising noise. But it's a helluva lot easier implementing a 2nd order digital filter than the 6th or 8th order analog phase-liniar ditto required with a parallel converter at 44.1/48Khz (where many designs have used a mere 4th order Butterworth filters, which aren't phase-liniar and has ripple in the passband). When I build a 1 second digital delay as my graduation project in '84, I used an 11th order (Sallen-Key) Bessel filter to reach the required flanking slope. Had to use 1% resistors and capacitors, which was hand measured and soldered 2-by-2 in series or parallel to math the 0.25% tolerences required ;-D Coupled with Analog Devices converters and Burr-Brown sample/hold amplifier (monstrous expensive back then), the result was crystal clear. You simply wouldn't do things like this in a production device, hahaha. It's getting off-topic, so I'll shut up for now ;) /m Charles Zwicky wrote: > Van, > > Good to see that you're going to be writing this, it should disspel a > lot of myths. > > There is a lot of folk wisdom out there about the "advantages" to > working with higher sample rates.. but consider the following information: > > The AK5394 is a typical high end A/D chip used in many converter > designs. It offers great performance ( such as 123dB s/n, 0.001dB > filter induced passband ripple, etc). Good stuff. > > It employs oversampling, implemented as follows; 256x oversampling at > the 48khz sample rate, 128x oversampling at 96khz, and 64x oversampling > at 192khz. > > OK, now do the math: > > 256 x 48khz = 128 x 96khz = 64 x 192khz = 12.288Mhz > > In other words, the input is sampled at rate of 12.288Mhz independent of > the system sampling rate. > > For one thing, this means that aliasing is nonexistent even at a > "44.1khz" sample rate. > Another interesting item about this converter chip (though these > performance examples are typical of most converters) is that the noise > and distortion figures for a -20dBfs signal level are best at the 44.1k > and 48k sample rates, 3dB worse at 88.2k/96k, and 6dB worse at > the 176k/192k rates. In terms of distortion percentage they nearly > triple compared to the 44.1k/48k rates. > > It's no wonder that people with sensitive ears hear a difference at 96k > or 192k... ;-) > > > At 19:33 +0100 15/12/11, van Sinn wrote: > >> This is actually one of the topics I'm about writing up on in a series of >> technical articles, starting mid january on adadepot.com . >> >> Sorry for the lengthy post, but it's difficult to explain in a short post. >> >> >> Sampling rate: >> >> Many audio interfaces simply aren't build to function equally correctly at >> both low and high sampling rates, and thus may work better at the higher >> sample rates. >> >> For this reason some/many says that sampling at higher rates produce >> better audio quality with their particular interface. >> My comment to reality is: If the chosen gear does sound better at higher >> sample rates, by all means of course use it this way ;) >> >> >From a theory point of view, sampling at higher bitrates makes >> absolutely no >> difference. >> The Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem in clear math states that a >> signal can be >> accurately reproduced at half the sampling frequency - provided infinitely >> steep anti-aliasing filters are employed. >> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist-Shannon_sampling_theorem >> >> Older designs using analog filters often had issues with such filters >> being unable to completely cut off aliasing products. >> >> For more than a decade, modern AD/DA converters has had build-in >> digital antialiasing filters which, alongside with oversampling, >> results in very steep slopes, making it fairly easy to reproduce 20Khz >> from 44.1Khz sampling. >> >> It is interesting to note that (64 to 256 times) oversampling >> converters actually up- and downsamples to the wanted sample rate. >> In other words, although we may choose a certain sampling rate with >> our interface, the converter internally samples at a much higher rate, >> and then converts this to our desired rate. >> >> >> Sampling word width: >> >> We get approx 6.06 dB per bit, or in practical terms 6dB/bit. >> So 16 bit gives us a dynamic range of 96 dB (which can be improved >> using aggressive noise shaping). >> >> Most practical music gear, unless being quite pro, will not have this >> dynamic >> range, and much less a signal/noise ration even approaching 96dB. >> My RME quadmic mic preamp has 120dB range, but the rest of my gear >> doesn't, and building a project studio with a noise floor at even >> -80dB is a >> dire and expensive task. >> >> So 16 bit would suffice just fine for the raw recordings. >> However, it's a different issue once we start to work on those samples. >> >> Every time we add two equally sized full-scale samples, the result >> will be twice as large; an increase of 6 dB. Expressed in bits: >> Adding two full 24 bit signals will result in a 25 bit signal (1 bit = >> 6 dB). >> Using EQ and myriads of effects will all make the resulting signal grow. > >> >> Even if we keep the signal normalized on the DAW, it still grows - it >> just grows downwards, that is, it'll have more and more lower bits. >> We cannot simply truncate or ignore those lower bits, as they all contains >> information about the signal. >> >> When we at some point convert to the final 44.1/16 format, all bits in >> this >> large-bit signal are used as part of the conversion and dithering process. >> >> A main reason why the DAW world has been moving from 24 bit to 32 bit, >> and resently to 64 bit processing: To avoid loosing any 'bit' of >> information during the process, and only at the final stage convert to >> 44.1/16. >> >> I said above that 16 bits would work just fine for recording.. >> While this is true, the recording engineer would have to fairly accurately >> place the audio fairly close to full-scale, and overshoots could >> easily occur >> (like the sax bloving extra hard, or someone spitting in the mic). >> Using 20 or 24 bits makes the recording process somewhat easier ;) >> >> Succeding processing will work jsut fine on those 16/20/24 bit samples >> in 32 or 64 bit formats used internally in the DAW. >> >> >> Reyn Ouwehand wrote: >> >>> If your material has to end on a CD, record on 88.2kHz. If it's for film >>> record on 96kHz. Due to the math.. >> >> >> I assume you mean that an 88.2 Khz sample only needs to downscaled by >> a factor >> two to arrive at 44.1 Khz.. >> Which isn't so. The 88.2 signal will need to be calculated and dithered >> exactly the same way as with any other bitrate. >> >> >> Rick Walker wrote: >> >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, David Gans wrote: >>> >>>> I record all my gigs at 96-24. Better to archive, and better to >>>> produce, in high-res and downsample at the last stage. >>> >>> >>> What I've always wondered: >>> >>> Does a recording at 96-24 downsampled to 44-16 >>> sound better than a recording sampled only at 44-16, initially. >>> >>> And if so, what's the logic? >>> >>> Daniel Thomas once explained the answer to me a long time ago, but I >>> have completely forgotten what >>> he told me. Please forgive the brain fart. >>> >>> Rick Walker >> >> >> >> -- >> rgds, >> van Sinn > > > > -- > > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 05:19:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DDE118345A; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bMD1cd4HJ1PgeDNd7mX1FF+BTvyy1VxcBYJODaozVys=; b=KESBMfmSkAsKWw03LtR2GWFnm3jJbCui+HEvETMc3QqZO1xMhitzMXwdax7sBXy4Qc R7agKkW+3ulQGcxK9jrpcbGjTjdR9g+cAQu2WGPZ3DXinTuBa4xsPU3sFK5iH+/Uf34j bRQUi9ohK6Zn3cKYraxll9y35L0uQ806eoNqs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:19:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Loopers gone and present From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340db9f13b1c04b442daac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:19:02 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340db9f13b1c04b442daac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sold the RC-30 today - it really went fast! And it was already the in the afternoon, when my friend, my acoustic duo partner, asked me if I wanted to try out a delay for our acoustic gigs - Digitech Hardwire Delay DL-8. Although I have sworn never to touch on Digitech products (at least guitar effects), I took the unit. Found out it has a looper! :-D Ok, so its 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". It seems you can take the looper away from man, but not the man away from loopers! :-D -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340db9f13b1c04b442daac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sold the RC-30 today - it really went fast! And it was already the i= n the afternoon, when my friend, my acoustic duo partner, asked me if I = wanted to try out a delay for our acoustic gigs - Digitech Hardwire Delay D= L-8. Although I have sworn never to touch on Digitech products (at least gui= tar effects), I took the unit. Found out it has a looper! :-D Ok, so its= 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". It seems you can tak= e the looper away from man, but not the man away from loopers! :-D -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340db9f13b1c04b442daac-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 05:21:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DBD818345C; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MkdIOFI4DaA27ExZxLyO+2Fy9yDDZvl3Pn8TEnOYo5U=; b=JM5ow8YPpvoWzTt5Jaz+sATqrIlY9gJoWRh9bTjTxHLUhKcwJLSXBduEoOXV5i8BBF YBWb8xe28NH9m6jp/vhXsGUqQv/m3i7OX5fotspgWk4k4QU2UO8fBVbKAiIEauZI9lru F3hbIhcCQp4r8EOjWynLQg9diKgTpfLPy3WOg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6B317757-6DD7-4A57-BE4E-5E498E6EE2E2@baymoon.com> References: <6B317757-6DD7-4A57-BE4E-5E498E6EE2E2@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:21:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: is really OT: Cigarette From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340db902e52e04b442e598 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:21:51 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340db902e52e04b442e598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Bill for your kind words, no its not like I'm ending on the streets, well who knows, but we are dealing with a major financial crisis in Europe, and it shows...! Ron Sexsmith, I'm familiar with him, Well, I have to confess, it was some Michael Buble-record where I found him! :-D 2011/12/16 William Walker > Petri, I'm sorry that things are difficult in Finland right now, and I > hope you navigate these waters without too much strife. These are indeed > tenuous times we live in. Regarding Joseph Arthur, he has been around for a > while, Peter Gabriel signed him to real world in the mid 90's. he's always > been somewhat under the radar, like another favorite of mine Ron Sexsmith > who is also worth checking out. > Take care > Bill > > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340db902e52e04b442e598 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Bill for your kind words, no its not like I'm ending on the stre= ets, well who knows, but we are dealing with a major financial crisis in= Europe, and it shows...! Ron Sexsmith, I'm familiar with him, Well, I have to confess, it was some Michael Buble-record where I found him= ! :-D 2011/12/16 William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.c= om> =A0Petri, I'm sorry that things are diff= icult in Finland right now, and I hope you navigate these waters without to= o much strife. These are indeed tenuous times we live in. Regarding Joseph = Arthur, he has been around for a while, Peter Gabriel signed him to real wo= rld in the mid 90's. he's always been somewhat under the radar, lik= e another favorite of mine Ron Sexsmith who is also worth checking out. =A0Take care =A0Bill -- Petri Lahtinen <= br> --14dae9340db902e52e04b442e598-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 11:46:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7138018345E; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KV+8i4w4GTNEs2jwPkNX8FMn5CKJ39tJ++/lkomiD2A=; b=VlQCRdgImezTsiJCWnguJN+YEFs97FP2Sz4jYjso1Dbga6XJ4ar6R6bC/vrJ3rZNV+ AUSlasFejzEQq7lJUOQ9pzoUrrllK7Kvbw4QtoXCa3QAz89Gq3rQ8X7RNFAKRBybVRDB 9zXa0oPC7t23uYH9HgPUDauoOkcRy0eovguQI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:46:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loopers gone and present From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:46:38 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > :-D Ok, so its 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". > > It seems you can take the looper away from man, but not the man away from > loopers! "Life's a loop" Per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 16:50:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C759318345F; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0wR00O07bjhy4sUQ49+8ILq2GA2iRPb7wBL+sEmojf8=; b=BPHMrhPt4ubReMrTYKmweWzP6Bgv8oNv7tVoyEs8xZ9W5I+a1lDR7PBn3SwTvLNvit /qBJ4LwptLMZ1qRrUmfAKM3BekRO+B5PaymXRKpPgQzgiu7/nXtQppiN43tmDjfzJQBF vXrwnZVy1UCMmsBdIHX50v3PcRzfiNaV8SJec= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:50:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loopers gone and present From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba0dbbbb4c704b44c822c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:50:11 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba0dbbbb4c704b44c822c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 :-) It actually is a 20 sec looper, this Digitech thingy. Very annoying to use, tap tempo functionality horrible, so my negative image on Digitech stuff remains. But actually nice sounding delay, compared to Visual Sound's H2O delay that I had before, which cut the low end massively. Althoug, I'm a huge fan of Vocalist 3 G, which I have and love to use - in that unit they have really succeeded. -Petri- 2011/12/17 Per Boysen > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > :-D Ok, so its 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". > > > > It seems you can take the looper away from man, but not the man away from > > loopers! > > > "Life's a loop" > > Per ;-) > > -- Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f3ba0dbbbb4c704b44c822c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :-) It actually is a 20 sec looper, this Digitech thingy. Very an= noying to use, tap tempo functionality horrible, so my negative image o= n Digitech stuff remains. But actually nice sounding delay, compared to = Visual Sound's H2O delay that I had before, which cut the low end massively. Althoug, I'm a huge fan of Voca= list 3 G, which I have and love to use - in that unit they have really s= ucceeded. -Petri- 2011/12/17 Per B= oysen <perboyse= n@gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:= 19 AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.= com> wrote: > :-D Ok, so its 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". > > It seems you can take the looper away from man, but not the man away f= rom > loopers! "Life's a loop" Per ;-) -- Petri Lah= tinen --e89a8f3ba0dbbbb4c704b44c822c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 17:02:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F3F718345E; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BvxXk+uyGppO/O2kWt5Xt1Y2pEH3C9qPMz5Bq2VCYP4=; b=KrFsN08i8a5WQ67e2U6438uRg4NHT4Ap2KMoIKwt4romCBS8b2j0RRMaRqARn67Sg1 /87U4pBARYW7F65VyjASceaYJdiTZ3+xHoQRF1hZfuHRpIgyB8kqNknxcdZ0CkhccFFc OGy75MEtyMJQ/Q2BhS8DP7MJdNKB0DD4a+aDM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:02:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loopers gone and present From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0416ffd96358f704b44cad7e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:02:08 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0416ffd96358f704b44cad7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Petri, I agree that the looper on those is not really usable but as an 8 sec delay type looper it can be very effective. Put it on the 8 sec range in tap tempo with the feedback up about 3/4. Capture your loop and then move the feedback knob to max. It will now repeat the loop without adding to it. Then when you want to morph it or add to it just move the feedback knob down again. You set the "loop" length with tap tempo and it works much better than the crappy way it works in actual loop mode. 8 seconds used to be a very long loop :) peace, Jeff On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Petri Lahtinen < kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: > :-) > > It actually is a 20 sec looper, this Digitech thingy. > Very annoying to use, tap tempo functionality horrible, > so my negative image on Digitech stuff remains. > But actually nice sounding delay, compared to Visual Sound's H2O delay > that I had before, > which cut the low end massively. > > Althoug, I'm a huge fan of Vocalist 3 G, which I have > and love to use - in that unit they have really succeeded. > > -Petri- > > 2011/12/17 Per Boysen > >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Petri Lahtinen >> wrote: >> > :-D Ok, so its 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". >> > >> > It seems you can take the looper away from man, but not the man away >> from >> > loopers! >> >> >> "Life's a loop" >> >> Per ;-) >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > > --f46d0416ffd96358f704b44cad7e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Petri, =A0I agree that the looper on those is not really usable but = as an 8 sec delay type looper it can be very effective. Put it on th= e 8 sec range in tap tempo with the feedback up about 3/4. Capture your loo= p and then move the feedback knob to max. It will now repeat the loop witho= ut adding to it. Then when you want to morph it or add to it just move the = feedback knob down again. You set the "loop" length with tap temp= o and it works much better than the crappy way it works in actual loop mode= . 8 seconds used to be a very long loop :) peace, Jeff On Sat, Dec 17, 20= 11 at 11:50 AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> :-) It actually is a 20 sec looper, t= his Digitech thingy. Very annoying to use, tap tempo functionality horri= ble, so my negative image on Digitech stuff remains. But actually nice soundi= ng delay, compared to Visual Sound's H2O delay that I had before, which cut the low end massively. Althoug, I'm a huge fan of Voca= list 3 G, which I have and love to use - in that unit they have really s= ucceeded. -Petri- 2011/12/17 Per B= oysen <perboysen@gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Petri = Lahtinen <kolleg= avalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: > :-D Ok, so its 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". > > It seems you can take the looper away from man, but not the man away f= rom > loopers! "Life's a loop" Per ;-) -- Petri Lahtinen <= br> --f46d0416ffd96358f704b44cad7e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 17:20:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 699FD183460; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UC6XwpdgegUVHJZKDh09CZHg+l/FMey3PzbffGsZxqA=; b=FKV/h+fRuKXKDw2k3JTlJ0l7zu2Lv/L6TNtut3/j/x3UtlUmPLiSCzW7if/ECuwkAX N+nBZ8j/DBqIvBmLsUsGZWbkp5pD/fL1vCcnxTFbpi14lJpYe7DWyKIDIfkWkdVESng7 zZzjZneVjYDB0133Jq7ohM6CjsA6CewYH0K/M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:20:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loopers gone and present From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <5G6lGC.A.2OG.n9M7OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Vocalist 3 G is fun. I borrowed one for a week once. I also think Digitech makes good guitar amp simulators, at least all I have tried sounded very good. Per On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Petri, > > =C2=A0I agree that the looper on those is not really usable but as an 8 s= ec delay > type looper it can be very effective. > > Put it on the 8 sec range in tap tempo with the feedback up about 3/4. > Capture your loop and then move the feedback knob to max. It will now rep= eat > the loop without adding to it. Then when you want to morph it or add to i= t > just move the feedback knob down again. You set the "loop" length with ta= p > tempo and it works much better than the crappy way it works in actual loo= p > mode. 8 seconds used to be a very long loop :) > > peace, > > Jeff > > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: >> >> :-) >> >> It actually is a 20 sec looper, this Digitech thingy. >> Very annoying to use, tap tempo functionality horrible, >> so my negative image on Digitech stuff remains. >> But actually nice sounding delay, compared to Visual Sound's H2O delay >> that I had before, >> which cut the low end massively. >> >> Althoug, I'm a huge fan of Vocalist 3 G, which I have >> and love to use - in that unit they have really succeeded. >> >> -Petri- >> >> 2011/12/17 Per Boysen >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Petri Lahtinen >>> wrote: >>> > :-D Ok, so its 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". >>> > >>> > It seems you can take the looper away from man, but not the man away >>> > from >>> > loopers! >>> >>> >>> "Life's a loop" >>> >>> Per ;-) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Petri Lahtinen >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 17:29:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C36B018345E; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers in Rhode Island In-Reply-To: <4F2BE155-A0E1-41EA-AD8A-B2233E214A2E@att.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE8AF88F46A433_DB4_257D81_Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE8AF88F385BF3-DB4-D47A4@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.131.182] Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:29:26 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: S DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1324142967; bh=axDCaoRTlqKPM3guHR4EW+XYe66U45UFRYGYSBDxDtI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V0eUNcZqXYm+7ZvLvdwv5jrq2Ps34jkUixnsVN4ZI9BARI59JzhqwjfeMoOUBl+2y G8UF/ARNS06KEZk+gqR4GKYW/ke66GDCYpyftkofyM+WKoK7UZQ32R50CMAFnVeezv QO3HZBaiLjQEeXzjI3rpEmHuRj1DND+3k/88vCHU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:417834208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74eecd17651af Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:29:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE8AF88F46A433_DB4_257D81_Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" how about PITTSBURGH? -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Amat To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 10:02 am Subject: Loopers in Rhode Island Hi,=20 I'm going to R.I., Mass. and NY in March and would like to meet some looper= s,=20 especially in R.I. Who's out there? Laurie =20 ----------MB_8CE8AF88F46A433_DB4_257D81_Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" how about PITTSBURGH? Hi,=20 I'm going to R.I., Mass. and NY in March and would like to meet some looper= s,=20 especially in R.I. Who's out there? Laurie ----------MB_8CE8AF88F46A433_DB4_257D81_Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 18:29:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1208B18345D; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EECDF85.8000901@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:29:25 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #767 for December 15, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:29:32 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/111215.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #767 December 15, 2011. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8049 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Living Planet" on Poundsounds. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) 12 Folloers/Meteo Tritochiark Espers (Lightfall) Xavier Signalsundertests #FFFFFF mecca (none) Polaris and Octahedron Moon Collision (Ricochet Dream) Krzysztof Horn Polaris and The Parent of All Collision (Ricochet Dream) Krzysztof Horn Others Twyndyllyngs Observation Event Horizon (electro-music media and Fox's Den) Twyndyllyngs Approach Event Horizon (electro-music media and Fox's Den) A Produce and Lost in Intangible (Hypnos) Loren Nerell Transformation Modulator ESP Beyond the Synset Beyond the Sunset (none) Dan Pound Birth of a Planet Living Planet (Poundsounds) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Dan Pound Dawn of Man Living Planet (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Monolith Living Planet (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Time Forgotten Living Planet (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Living Planet Living Planet (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Ray of Creation Living Planet (Poundsounds) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Aurora" on Poundsounds. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 18:49:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6A5918345D; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EECE42D.1060106@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:49:17 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for December 10, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:49:33 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2011/111210.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #213 December 10, 2011. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Steve Roach Disc 1 tracks 1 - 2 Journey of One (Projekt) VA [Myth Gestalt In This Realm of Sequences No. 16 Musik] Imperfection 1 VA [Chris Chambers] Trance Sequences No. 16 VA [Artur Lanson] Znak Zasluchania Sequences No. 16 Probka Synth.nl Orbit Apollo (Groove) Robert Rich Macula Medicine Box (Soundscape) Mystified Atlantic Passage Coming Days (Attenuation Circuit) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Bruno San Filippo Bioma Bioma (ad21) and Max Corbacho Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Glass Hammer One Heart Cor Cordium (Arion) 3rdegree Scenery Narrow-Caster (none) Ben Craven Great & Terrible Great & Terrible Potions Potions (Desert Comb) Ozric Tentacles Will of the Wisp Paper Monkeys (Madfish) Spock's Beard The Man Behind the X (none) Mirror * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 21:47:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEAFF18345E; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=GjE8v0K25c8Z5B1mFofJh6Cm732LsO4QZ3U6X9EhAvU=; b=Ztg2jWRr8r7AKgmZw8Couh7KZUBfiV76/Rhf1xUCr3XwSj/JjJNThdeREofoY7HE97 fFYT3lovQ89EBmwAnvcXmjwINLuG3IKOT+O1CKQuIFznaskBCaavHtbCax6rnfOOeuQ6 nspkLMk9SKzhRMQqjMgYYBeo4hFioOpgl/dnA= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Loopers gone and present From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:46:57 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8CB8D4D3-60CB-48EB-ADEA-2D4FE3F7775E@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:47:47 +0000 (UTC) On 17 Dec 2011, at 08:46, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: >> :-D Ok, so its 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". >> >> It seems you can take the looper away from man, but not the man away from >> loopers! > > > "Life's a loop" > > Per ;-) > well, its a spiral (an evoloop), otherwise we would neither grow nor die From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 21:54:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5D9A18345D; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=W2Me2RB+NpOC96yy/qoHd68iJcpbbSURJCAN8A9I18U=; b=BJ7WKnaIIBztn2uWCLetKmnffcDK4MKN/gf1ymIS2bmT4iKyE9649E+L64pkRMjSPa leCglv/DMdiFsy/ND/4gmVcZviSuXR3HCVYNSH3iRgAzovrtpdQfz07Ng6OieZCCK0rK z8tlYOrUi72mRy2zbZQGcMUJLpMbXYytG4dTM= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:54:03 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <900B9022-B9BF-4484-BD04-E1B0BA5C67BB@gmail.com> References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:54:09 +0000 (UTC) On 16 Dec 2011, at 12:15, Dennis Moser wrote: > But I stand corrected on one count: the Alesis ioDock does not appear > to do ANY conversion. While the 30-pin connector DOES carry a digital > audio signal (that's what makes it possible to use an HDMI connection > to have Hi-Def A/V) apparently the ioDock is using ONLY the analog > audio signal. Still haven't' found a definitive answer/source for > that, but that's the conclusion I'm getting to on what I'm finding. hm... yes, most iPad audio adapters even work on the 3,5mm mic input strange that I could not find any adapter that goes with the 30pin other than the alesis which is a bit pricy if its really just a mic = preamp and a usb-midi interface >=20 > I suppose that technically you could grab the digital signal off the > right pins if you knew how to design the hardware & software to do > it=85that's a bit beyond me, tho'! well, since the USB and firewire wires are on the 30pin, any standard = audio interface could be adaptable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVFQ6vjhASww From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 02:59:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D0B4183460; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 02:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 573503.58410.bm@smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: J9BChWkVM1lDTTKFVxN5jrP3IVM4RuMshU7axIFe9JBhecX qp2dM0wRxxH5oEqA9SSUIwPIIGJvZMaScKtSVHeywyB9A84GwbwXpDiyBhY. HGfCRowmhlpvEwCJ.pfMq_kO_Csl5mrnWljvtzT22lpy66KkMeVfkBaYfLcd hzov.oy1JimYO8wvObCvXo1A5lxWHrQgSdImUJ0E93D6vR1pdzUL0_3uNx9E lVBZWR4UotQpYpjojkheZQuzyEx.Er95o5tLs4gOVN0MqX0e6IhfKFVJ2Pxc 8Bqa2pPc6EgBasYmp6CFp4MjE4XJdeNnQkXI1L0d2hIepAXuHW4YOoq_FZ_j 5xf5KS94bzyNfsJDzPFrzlixy3fwj_SPhCtSLAHAcOK7fWa0pVpG2 X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Loopers gone and present Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:59:05 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 02:59:09 +0000 (UTC) "Life's a loop, and then you multiply." Michael On Dec 17, 2011, at 3:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: >> :-D Ok, so its 8 sec delay, so looper and "looper". >> >> It seems you can take the looper away from man, but not the man >> away from >> loopers! > > > "Life's a loop" > > Per ;-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 04:58:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8BA618345E; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 04:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=aazillyLE2RISavwRYQ7kedGAlbgbrBVdFSms2/0HWE=; b=ohXlH42MIn4mafdQY1BpJWPsq2pS2eU1f85f97vntUHSLGuKjK4TWDL2c+e7T3ynnC 43a6nuSZeC+PP0KIAJdH3EB84mZvAICc8wQMiXXWJWIiRhLh2qgEzE24de6u91cQ1ExG 1vLCvAxnA98lEYec2mDxF0vRSpu5qQVpf9hWc= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Todd Matthews Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 23:58:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd44e0ba8d204b456b1e1 Resent-Message-ID: <01-mYD.A.-iH.TMX7OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 04:58:59 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd44e0ba8d204b456b1e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://vimeo.com/33849024 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthews toddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 --0015175cd44e0ba8d204b456b1e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://vimeo.com/33849024 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 --0015175cd44e0ba8d204b456b1e1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 10:53:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE33E18345B; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JNcTJYlHTGVpCc0Bok0/b9mTNJW4BYVJMb06zBJzpcI=; b=xpVqtJQyLzE5Bip0hGSf1foXaMPbr9X8dtPXaXpBaMnkStPBvn3+Kl6+YixVRT8fSq f6DZ546fQXBLYUpLjrXEz1C/NeBIHBuPSqlbi9nq7zIIFTE3KvYzy2qtnoBlZRw8IkwO xzNzP1nkgcLzd2XpVBKAjMimQkB1pK4yjU5gE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:53:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340c27f7cf2a04b45ba391 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:53:14 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340c27f7cf2a04b45ba391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Excellent! :-) Thanks Todd for sharing! 2011/12/18 Todd Matthews > http://vimeo.com/33849024 > > Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all > > -- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > Twitter: gtodd876 > > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340c27f7cf2a04b45ba391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent! :-) Thanks Todd for sharing! 2011/12/18 Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> http://vimeo.com/33= 849024 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holida= ys to all <= div> -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 -- Petri Lahtinen <= br> --14dae9340c27f7cf2a04b45ba391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 12:07:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1543318345E; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rhnJUKWJRg7vGg8lLAsh0Tq4Y0PIDJRDqS2szlDnEyA=; b=KrP/+o0pRlcmIlhP2b7ZIltrDOWilgWrGM3yvV4XqfbjKtK05loxozwcPBFYfMRQIk GKwjYYX9+ITmVuG+m8VZH5Q5QbxHv7Pzp25dukq4qNKTBsJuVTqK338hBWO0MYAaIfZr Z0L0XJJhMgiY1ZgpSMZ31zxXnGnIREkVxXTwA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CB8D4D3-60CB-48EB-ADEA-2D4FE3F7775E@gmail.com> References: <8CB8D4D3-60CB-48EB-ADEA-2D4FE3F7775E@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:07:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loopers gone and present From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-8HuEC.A.DHE.4dd7OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:07:20 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > well, its a spiral (an evoloop), otherwise we would neither grow nor die Are you on to a new paradigm in music there? Should we start "evo-loopers-delight"? Ha, ha... just joking, but seriously I think your expression "evolooping" brings an important point in that it implies that a musician is constantly breeding a loop rather than just playing over its repetitions. Somehow these two ways of using looping technology feels different at a fundamental level. On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 3:59 AM, TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > "Life's a loop, and then you multiply." :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 16:12:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B70818345C; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:12:01 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: john floridis In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:05:19 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9FF419C3-3877-4382-BD47-423160A8F1EC@johnfloridis.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <1gFY3B.A.FoG.RDh7OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Outstanding.....fun....funny......and ultimately very touching at the = end. A great gift, and a great tribute. John= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 16:54:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28D39183454; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=xMldjGs2jy/wVeU3j6M1mudmYdaoycFWxX0EeQMZdBk=; b=Z40e2GUAZj/thLoBLh9x2UbmBNi9rO5pSnfkp7L/ZH4w/LO+lzHGlIl1OCE0gFN9l1 y01eIFurE413X8JQEdyk1+GFLAPG1KOONotJhn/UcVfS0QErgYLixDIcjRz5J92nuzrZ v2Rvxt+B+jkpttfwGSUAo9arnDbJly4AGgSaA= References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> <900B9022-B9BF-4484-BD04-E1B0BA5C67BB@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <900B9022-B9BF-4484-BD04-E1B0BA5C67BB@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <30C43325-9228-4A98-B97E-BF61C3084783@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:54:28 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <0KVNKD.A.rJH.Hrh7OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:54:32 +0000 (UTC) That's really interesting as thAt I've felt from beginning with apple that t= he audio hw apex were built in but undocumented to minimize whatever risk th= at info might have been to apple. I just put the Line 6 adapter on my sugge= sted Xmas list to my family and it seemed the cam adapter plus powered USB h= ub would do the trick to getting to my Tqscam USB audio interfaces. That in= vestment btwn that and tha line 6 is minima but compared with 200 for the Al= esia unit, this is a very affordable option, Dennis thx or passing along th= e YouTube how to. Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >=20 > On 16 Dec 2011, at 12:15, Dennis Moser wrote: >=20 >> But I stand corrected on one count: the Alesis ioDock does not appear >> to do ANY conversion. While the 30-pin connector DOES carry a digital >> audio signal (that's what makes it possible to use an HDMI connection >> to have Hi-Def A/V) apparently the ioDock is using ONLY the analog >> audio signal. Still haven't' found a definitive answer/source for >> that, but that's the conclusion I'm getting to on what I'm finding. >=20 > hm... yes, most iPad audio adapters even work on the 3,5mm mic input > strange that I could not find any adapter that goes with the 30pin > other than the alesis which is a bit pricy if its really just a mic preamp= and a usb-midi interface >>=20 >> I suppose that technically you could grab the digital signal off the >> right pins if you knew how to design the hardware & software to do >> it=E2=80=A6that's a bit beyond me, tho'! >=20 > well, since the USB and firewire wires are on the 30pin, any standard audi= o interface could be adaptable >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVFQ6vjhASww >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 19:14:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8AB318345C; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=a5rZtOXtWSLmwLpHjXQoiFWcyNuELuiQt3Ig5EuvNyM=; b=qRzQIo9pnu4Ta3sd8eoC78sjtlH1ibrgnjHU/H6JkvLylOkO4BA71lKGZa9kYxBSyG Xw9613MWcUuh6wVsCJPPl3DQX2LsZBGjV6plwBy4Tr/LylDNbjexL8d2uXDBT0BxpLIy 8+HdA8REa56lZkXoI25zFqq58/tyh2Ed3subw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9FF419C3-3877-4382-BD47-423160A8F1EC@johnfloridis.com> References: <9FF419C3-3877-4382-BD47-423160A8F1EC@johnfloridis.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:14:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Wytold Lebing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c820f8a9bb04b462a3ce Resent-Message-ID: <9vayW.A.QKB.Kuj7OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:14:18 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1c820f8a9bb04b462a3ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Awesome! Here's a looping holiday track that I recorded a couple weeks ago...The looping is on electric cello, and there's some non-looped percussion too. http://wytold.bandcamp.com/track/carol-of-the-bells-o-holy-night-2 On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, john floridis wrote: > Outstanding.....fun....funny......and ultimately very touching at the end. > A great gift, and a great tribute. > > John > -- Wytold www.Wytold.com My New CD "When Fulvio Finds Celeste" --e89a8ff1c820f8a9bb04b462a3ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Awesome! =A0Here's a looping holiday track that I recorded a couple wee= ks ago...The looping is on electric cello, and there's some non-looped = percussion too. http://wytold.bandcamp.com/track/car= ol-of-the-bells-o-holy-night-2 On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, john flori= dis <john@joh= nfloridis.com> wrote: Outstanding.....fun....funny......and ultimately very touching at the end. = =A0A great gift, and a great tribute. John -- Wytold www.Wytold.com My New CD &q= uot;When Fulvio Finds Celeste" =A0 --e89a8ff1c820f8a9bb04b462a3ce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 22:41:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40F0B18345C; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EaZZAgogv+jPMg/FAd3fwrYAJ7kKV8F0yUPTDfIS4zk=; b=FoeLqSkVz7DB7c18Hyz0nzaZYdXEpRbNJ/vc3+pVmLtNlubdzBAiouGukGX/ncvgI1 ilVHNCR7kNXB1nQLncp489IpImyoFdRWpMR96eZhpnCrHde2MxxvfF5CAHyYFJdvTdJx CYV0RhtkxKPRpJD/CJe+aXyLV9yd9FmTNYbyc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9FF419C3-3877-4382-BD47-423160A8F1EC@johnfloridis.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:41:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:41:15 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Wytold Lebing wrot= e: > Awesome! =C2=A0Here's a looping holiday track that I recorded a couple we= eks > ago...The looping is on electric cello, and there's some non-looped > percussion too. > > http://wytold.bandcamp.com/track/carol-of-the-bells-o-holy-night-2 Sounds great, Wytold! Is that a CR you're playing? I have a NXT and I'm hearing a different tone from your pickups. CT seems to have less hiss as well ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 23:33:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 798C918345C; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/HGNSvHeLPgjNrvSiuPVAo+HhEl4ykmhlraquLAchIk=; b=T1Wuf+W2fa7zHtBRZ+M3hCn7u5/AaoNPSuzZQWzVsacPX709l1HBGSAabSA31N2Ya7 Md6GGQx0MciyeXKRHTnZ2zj9/9H9yxVaAcAr2mMduaGEyBVo6y6EQIFberO4uY+th7/a QfUohPNsB2cQ4aMrsXsEYQHzG1IY1rylZQNkc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:33:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51ba4777faddc04b466440c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:33:57 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51ba4777faddc04b466440c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd that is wonderful and as I just posted for you on Vimeo.... "Wow Todd that is wonderful and a surprise with the ending mix of emotions. I'm sorry for your loss but you have shown this seasonal full of joy my friend. Well done and love the 'in the spirit' suit!" On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews wrote= : > http://vimeo.com/33849024 > > Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all > > -- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > Twitter: gtodd876 > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --bcaec51ba4777faddc04b466440c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd that is wonderful and as I just posted for you on Vimeo.... "Wow Todd that is wonderful and a surprise with the ending mi= x of emotions. =A0I'm sorry for your loss but you have shown this seaso= nal full of joy my friend. =A0Well done and love the 'in the spirit'= ; suit!" On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Todd Matth= ews <gtmatthew= s@gmail.com> wrote: http://vimeo.com/33= 849024 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holida= ys to all <= div> -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 -- --=A0Tips Across the Waters, a n= ew app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --bcaec51ba4777faddc04b466440c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 23:35:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47757183461; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HgIErFXawPl6+hHo9NZYuyzRNepi1LUI/WuJ+nn4ca4=; b=f8JawG1xCooOwT/yRM6s6BAfKsEVEOLAfXmysBxqJAZuYihaCugMfTgYhxzJks7U6U CY4xz7cDX9Ku/d6HDyLDbffPhJsfFmPHfW5FlYmjCM79Xjio6akDW6lOIYNCRngcQv6B o+boUljYCsfL9xK6q38y3GegALxCkrZk02N4E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9FF419C3-3877-4382-BD47-423160A8F1EC@johnfloridis.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:35:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d02ce889bcd04b4664b08 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:35:55 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307d02ce889bcd04b4664b08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Equally lovely and spirited track as well Wytold. Textures and vibe are in the Mannheim spirit. On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Wytold Lebing wrote= : > Awesome! Here's a looping holiday track that I recorded a couple weeks > ago...The looping is on electric cello, and there's some non-looped > percussion too. > > http://wytold.bandcamp.com/track/carol-of-the-bells-o-holy-night-2 > > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, john floridis wr= ote: > >> Outstanding.....fun....funny......and ultimately very touching at the >> end. A great gift, and a great tribute. >> >> John >> > > > > -- > Wytold > www.Wytold.com > My New CD "When Fulvio Finds Celeste" > > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307d02ce889bcd04b4664b08 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Equally lovely and spirited track as well Wytold. =A0Textures and vibe are = in the Mannheim spirit. On Sun, Dec 18, 2= 011 at 2:14 PM, Wytold Lebing <wytoldmusic@gmail.com> wrote: Awesome! =A0Here's a looping holiday tra= ck that I recorded a couple weeks ago...The looping is on electric cello, a= nd there's some non-looped percussion too. http://wytold.bandcamp.com/track/carol= -of-the-bells-o-holy-night-2 On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, john flori= dis <john@johnfloridis.com> wrote: Outstanding.....fun....funny......and ultimately very touching at the end. = =A0A great gift, and a great tribute. John -- Wytold www.Wytold.com My New CD &q= uot;When Fulvio Finds Celeste" =A0 -- --=A0Tips Across the Waters, a n= ew app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307d02ce889bcd04b4664b08-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 00:27:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF82618345E; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 00:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KXPXd0XFB6yxPb3gW7HNzUtq1YtxFDaYXI9YiRoNMHA=; b=p87AY95lgNskf/nBfa37XzbdGXWxsOLhKML5pMFbQ2S/c2aFhhIvWHvfS2cXIlDsUv BHmF6z8aqvF1/uk9CQg4owpQei6EP3ETe27u9gUobZSoOSjYf40pp5ZjXoXzbfrdv2/b Wfj+Mh6lRJl5ZAnpZbtNVLDNgMA8Mhe1Hs1IQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9FF419C3-3877-4382-BD47-423160A8F1EC@johnfloridis.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:27:12 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 00:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Todd! Loved it! On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Jim Goodin wrot= e: > Equally lovely and spirited track as well Wytold. =A0Textures and vibe ar= e in > the Mannheim spirit. > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Wytold Lebing > wrote: >> >> Awesome! =A0Here's a looping holiday track that I recorded a couple week= s >> ago...The looping is on electric cello, and there's some non-looped >> percussion too. >> >> http://wytold.bandcamp.com/track/carol-of-the-bells-o-holy-night-2 >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, john floridis >> wrote: >>> >>> Outstanding.....fun....funny......and ultimately very touching at the >>> end. =A0A great gift, and a great tribute. >>> >>> John >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Wytold >> www.Wytold.com >> My New CD "When Fulvio Finds Celeste" >> >> > > > > -- > -- > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire > Ware. > > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin = & > Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF > International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 01:42:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D829318345E; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 360 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:42:12 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=E5H3F4wF7EatGvpWnAzcRsN862PIZMj5Of4ZGgE/Yd1fq2C307F5HSD0nVphMSH1; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <8F5E973B-4E19-43DE-847C-EF45E99C6855@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-388-206498918 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:36:06 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7997d6c7dbe4a3fe2923e9b9890fb1e461350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.142.17.64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:42:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-388-206498918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So sweet and true; thank you, Todd=85and blessings to all! > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews =20 > wrote: > http://vimeo.com/33849024 > > Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all > > --=20 > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > Twitter: gtodd876 > --Apple-Mail-388-206498918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So sweet and true; = thank you, Todd=85and blessings to = all! On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:58 = PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote: http://vimeo.com/33849024 Merry = Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: = gtodd876 = --Apple-Mail-388-206498918-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 02:58:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11E3E18345E; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 02:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=KoYOhSH24DYA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=yJpT7fFDAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=C0dlN8CBAAAA:8 a=CLI6wH3hjIo7ceOd_SEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=WAZqIcNoCGcA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=O6yijGbp2blpz_7iu_gA:9 a=FLGp3OQm89JO7lOVQxMA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=6a-FUZWkMNkA:10 a=+tAuK0NBDpQzCS/LZ7FGkw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B3D9DD2E-80F9-427B-A0C8-C39AD6109DD4 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 02:06:29 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 02:58:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-B3D9DD2E-80F9-427B-A0C8-C39AD6109DD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass.=20 To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very cello= -like.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > http://vimeo.com/33849024 >=20 > Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all >=20 > --=20 > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > Twitter: gtodd876 >=20 --Apple-Mail-B3D9DD2E-80F9-427B-A0C8-C39AD6109DD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 That was amazing. So inspi= ring I may practice my upright bass. To bow such a nice high= register how high is your action? Sounded very cello-like. Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire an= d Electric Light Opry ht= tp://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.= com http://HankZeppelin.co= m http://YouTube.com/C= hazWorm On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:= 58 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@= gmail.com> wrote: <= div>http://vimeo.com/33849024= Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 = --Apple-Mail-B3D9DD2E-80F9-427B-A0C8-C39AD6109DD4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 12:39:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FBA1183462; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G0A7kNl7vuTg0xr7gdETzdhGWF3TSAAd+PrH5NaU9VM=; b=Ogszo/SPut7MQCBYxT9wZssjB4D1p6vkCaw74LSKgNRYb98EWi7XN8mLs86Qw4+Cy8 mFneqG+smcHuYK5N0qU0/Auf9Bta5KQDseW1B3jMKdZNrrdRfk/4upSlqgencqlWXUQk YNY6BtwiB30jlh3uoDiG6sz3/tu6CVn65m7EE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:39:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Wytold Lebing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138ecd343d0b04b4713d3f Resent-Message-ID: <_sMaI.A.2ZD.3Bz7OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:39:19 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138ecd343d0b04b4713d3f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks, all! Per - it's a CR series cello from NS Design. Is that what you meant? I haven't actually gotten to play on an NXT before because they don't offer a 6 string model, which I was dead set on purchasing :) But it's nice to know you have an NS instrument as well! Which kind of answers your question, Chaz...The tuning from low to high for my electric cello is F-C-G-D-A-E, and the action is such that it is a lot more natural to play in the high register of the instrument than on a traditional acoustic cello. And that's awesome for looping because you essentially have 6 octaves at your fingertips. The only problem is that it sounds kind of nasally in the mid-range, but I can often get around that with some reverb! Happy holidays, Wytold On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:06 AM, chaz worm wrote: > That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass. > To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very > cello-like. > > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://ChazWorm.com > http://ELOpry.com > http://HankZeppelin.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm > > > On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > > http://vimeo.com/33849024 > > Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all > > -- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > Twitter: gtodd876 > > --f46d04138ecd343d0b04b4713d3f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, all! Per - it's a CR series cello from NS Design.=A0 Is = that what you meant?=A0 I haven't actually gotten to play on an NXT bef= ore because they don't offer a 6 string model, which I was dead set on = purchasing :) But it's nice to know you have an NS instrument as well!<= br> Which kind of answers your question, Chaz...The tuning from low to high= for my electric cello is F-C-G-D-A-E, and the action is such that it is a = lot more natural to play in the high register of the instrument than on a t= raditional acoustic cello.=A0 And that's awesome for looping because yo= u essentially have 6 octaves at your fingertips.=A0 The only problem is tha= t it sounds kind of nasally in the mid-range, but I can often get around th= at with some reverb! Happy holidays, Wytold On Sun, Dec= 18, 2011 at 2:06 AM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com> wrote: = That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice= my upright bass.=A0 To bow such a nice high register how high is= your action? Sounded very cello-like.=A0 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &,= Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppe= lin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews <= gtmatthews@gmail.= com> wrote: <= a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/33849024" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/338= 49024 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 --f46d04138ecd343d0b04b4713d3f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 12:45:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0B4418345C; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zfwA8WqMGmM3xSpY2yh1FT0l06PNlsEDN1fE6DLBHgA=; b=WoBHJQHsF6tDnbHTw/C137BYVJEqWQOHIJjsIZE1/WiYQUtrVAegvjPcWQr2zXwowH XJaF8+mhCmMe1+9nlKfydYDzQFKMcDdZynEaavM+HGjP7RPYgjnl+fbWmLVuS6E08zyD nY0BHUI356L6AAI+rN1RBDWXEN3hkkXAgFmMo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:45:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Wytold Lebing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138ecdb223b404b47151ae Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:45:03 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138ecdb223b404b47151ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oops - just realized you (chaz) were saying Jim's bass sounded like cello. Chiyaah - I'd only listened previously, not watched the video...I definitely thought those high harmonics were on a different instrument! (and maybe the harmony line too)...Fantastic work. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Wytold Lebing wrote: > Thanks, all! > > Per - it's a CR series cello from NS Design. Is that what you meant? I > haven't actually gotten to play on an NXT before because they don't offer a > 6 string model, which I was dead set on purchasing :) But it's nice to know > you have an NS instrument as well! > > Which kind of answers your question, Chaz...The tuning from low to high > for my electric cello is F-C-G-D-A-E, and the action is such that it is a > lot more natural to play in the high register of the instrument than on a > traditional acoustic cello. And that's awesome for looping because you > essentially have 6 octaves at your fingertips. The only problem is that it > sounds kind of nasally in the mid-range, but I can often get around that > with some reverb! > > Happy holidays, > Wytold > > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:06 AM, chaz worm wrote: > >> That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass. >> To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very >> cello-like. >> >> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >> Electric Light Opry >> http://ChazWorm.com >> http://ELOpry.com >> http://HankZeppelin.com >> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: >> >> http://vimeo.com/33849024 >> >> Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all >> >> -- >> Todd Matthews >> toddbass.com >> Twitter: gtodd876 >> >> > > -- Wytold www.Wytold.com My New CD "When Fulvio Finds Celeste" --f46d04138ecdb223b404b47151ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oops - just realized you (chaz) were saying Jim's bass sounded like cel= lo.=A0 Chiyaah - I'd only listened previously, not watched the video...= I definitely thought those high harmonics were on a different instrument!= =A0 (and maybe the harmony line too)...Fantastic work. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Wytold Lebi= ng <wytoldmus= ic@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, all! Per - it's a CR series cello from NS Design.=A0 Is = that what you meant?=A0 I haven't actually gotten to play on an NXT bef= ore because they don't offer a 6 string model, which I was dead set on = purchasing :) But it's nice to know you have an NS instrument as well!<= br> Which kind of answers your question, Chaz...The tuning from low to high= for my electric cello is F-C-G-D-A-E, and the action is such that it is a = lot more natural to play in the high register of the instrument than on a t= raditional acoustic cello.=A0 And that's awesome for looping because yo= u essentially have 6 octaves at your fingertips.=A0 The only problem is tha= t it sounds kind of nasally in the mid-range, but I can often get around th= at with some reverb! Happy holidays, Wytold On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:06 AM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com> wrote: That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice= my upright bass.=A0 To bow such a nice high register how high is= your action? Sounded very cello-like.=A0 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &,= Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppe= lin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> w= rote: http://vimeo.com/33849024 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 -- Wytold= www.Wytold.com My New CD &q= uot;When Fulvio Finds Celeste" =A0 --f46d04138ecdb223b404b47151ae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 13:13:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD258183460; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: HNY From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: <4EEBC29F.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:13:20 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEBC29F.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:13:23 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA Happy New Year guys! A bit early.. but.. Feel free to use the video if you don't fancy sending season greetings = cards yourself! I always make a new video every year. In the end it's = way less work and more original! :-) Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 13:22:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327E5183462; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=5/WkbTiO4mX/uadh+RORUqnASo+I9FzIgd9Z2bDDYDc=; b=gTSJJJmkdeZePbFEn9Q6MedUhPWC/6C4J7Ta9gEyHnCbhemh2NsEVl1Cg9WEXg4jjt VNEfWVDpzUwzL3j3WzgfNYyxQ7RCbNBM86wngkCacMHW8SOMflr+zmYxSYH42VdDMuLt metnDVQNb9wvsfcudoCHk9BqxRLBnBVwbuzdk= From: Todd Matthews Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_79925B88-2609-411C-BB23-1EAC2B0683FD" Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:22:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> Message-Id: <953A61F6-523D-4CFF-B946-BE7024E4ED4B@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:22:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_79925B88-2609-411C-BB23-1EAC2B0683FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks Chaz! As bassists we do have to deal with a higher action then = we'd like to=85. especially playing orchestral bass because you don't = want the strings to buzz on the fingerboard when your pounding out some = spiccato.=20 My advice in the upper register is to learn to use your relaxed left arm = weight to your advantage to help you really make sure that string is = closed down but in a relaxed state. The right arm advice is to = experiment with your bow placement, bow speed, and bow weight to get the = sound you want. For the high register I like to bow pretty close to the = bridge, faster bow speed, with enough weight to pull out a complex = tone(from partials) It's hard to describe this stuff by typing an email = but I hope it helps with the double bass practice! Merry Christmas Looping Brethren=20 On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:06 AM, chaz worm wrote: > That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass.=20 > To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very = cello-like.=20 >=20 > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://ChazWorm.com > http://ELOpry.com > http://HankZeppelin.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >=20 >=20 > On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews = wrote: >=20 >> http://vimeo.com/33849024 >>=20 >> Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all >>=20 >> --=20 >> Todd Matthews >> toddbass.com >> Twitter: gtodd876 >>=20 -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 --Apple-Mail=_79925B88-2609-411C-BB23-1EAC2B0683FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 That was amazing. So = inspiring I may practice my upright bass. To bow such a = nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very = cello-like. Chaz Worm - singer, bass, = banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light = Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm= On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd = Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> = wrote: http://vimeo.com/33849024 <= /div>Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 toddbass.com twitter: = gtodd876 = --Apple-Mail=_79925B88-2609-411C-BB23-1EAC2B0683FD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 13:51:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C537183461; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=06Sh7CcamVDBS02yNXV41/SsBAJtu6HPn3aHfs+IUqE=; b=BHDuZZbu9B3OoF2gIaMKa4IB4Yad6pG4mITz36uFITEOHVmHn/KxFaZCZGUR9QmQuO 8gfs7Tn3dGSAzkKs71QLzHJpN6QwXNT8wM6tDqIjUM//MwjxDuUZFgK/ZWFZtMxsCX49 lfR7tvs5jMfn5KMccjRjGu+QzpySL9nVUzH/A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:51:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <5mp9LD.A.unE.VF07OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Wytold - I've got the 5 string NS NXT. The fingerboard is quite curved by five strings so I guess it must be almost like a half-circle to provide bowing access to all six strings! Having 6 octaves, like yours, at your finger tips is awesome when looping! That's exactly my ranger when using the Grand Stick or the EWI. It's nice being able to play bass parts manually down there; when using an instrument with a more narrow range I tend to rely on looping tricks for creating bass lines (speed/pitch shifting). Per On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wytold Lebing wrot= e: > Thanks, all! > > Per - it's a CR series cello from NS Design.=C2=A0 Is that what you meant= ?=C2=A0 I > haven't actually gotten to play on an NXT before because they don't offer= a > 6 string model, which I was dead set on purchasing :) But it's nice to kn= ow > you have an NS instrument as well! > > Which kind of answers your question, Chaz...The tuning from low to high f= or > my electric cello is F-C-G-D-A-E, and the action is such that it is a lot > more natural to play in the high register of the instrument than on a > traditional acoustic cello.=C2=A0 And that's awesome for looping because = you > essentially have 6 octaves at your fingertips.=C2=A0 The only problem is = that it > sounds kind of nasally in the mid-range, but I can often get around that > with some reverb! > > Happy holidays, > Wytold > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:06 AM, chaz worm > wrote: >> >> That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass. >> To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very >> cello-like. >> >> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >> Electric Light Opry >> http://ChazWorm.com >> http://ELOpry.com >> http://HankZeppelin.com >> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews wrote= : >> >> http://vimeo.com/33849024 >> >> Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all >> >> -- >> Todd Matthews >> toddbass.com >> Twitter: gtodd876 >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 14:21:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC39C183460; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ba2dEfm6G7PbwK6cW1paZR40v1VOUcPh+HP3C8J0jZM=; b=djhdZpuc5W+8pJ6uCW38f7ea7YjxyQBXxgAp2EbBqsNrD4T7fDI1/eUAwSbPNC1mnZ qIo/CSiDn63rvTeOPhZ2qQNp61ndFA1dYaaFZQYY33W7wDTd0BzlZpyzMVZvOiiAdHge x1EI/mtQ9OvuFAB0eohr+NauX3EvI6RwhKhT4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:21:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Wytold Lebing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041b4aa0387ad604b472a918 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:21:06 +0000 (UTC) --f46d041b4aa0387ad604b472a918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Haha - yeah, the fingerboard feels pretty darn curved! In combination with the NS shoulder strap, it took a couple months to get to where I could reliably play in tune on the 6 string. Of course, then my positioning was off when I went back to the acoustic...sigh hah The Grand Stick is a dream instrument for me...one day!! On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, Wytold - I've got the 5 string NS NXT. The fingerboard is quite > curved by five strings so I guess it must be almost like a half-circle > to provide bowing access to all six strings! > > Having 6 octaves, like yours, at your finger tips is awesome when > looping! That's exactly my ranger when using the Grand Stick or the > EWI. It's nice being able to play bass parts manually down there; when > using an instrument with a more narrow range I tend to rely on looping > tricks for creating bass lines (speed/pitch shifting). > > Per > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wytold Lebing > wrote: > > Thanks, all! > > > > Per - it's a CR series cello from NS Design. Is that what you meant? I > > haven't actually gotten to play on an NXT before because they don't > offer a > > 6 string model, which I was dead set on purchasing :) But it's nice to > know > > you have an NS instrument as well! > > > > Which kind of answers your question, Chaz...The tuning from low to high > for > > my electric cello is F-C-G-D-A-E, and the action is such that it is a lot > > more natural to play in the high register of the instrument than on a > > traditional acoustic cello. And that's awesome for looping because you > > essentially have 6 octaves at your fingertips. The only problem is that > it > > sounds kind of nasally in the mid-range, but I can often get around that > > with some reverb! > > > > Happy holidays, > > Wytold > > > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:06 AM, chaz worm > > wrote: > >> > >> That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass. > >> To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very > >> cello-like. > >> > >> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > >> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > >> Electric Light Opry > >> http://ChazWorm.com > >> http://ELOpry.com > >> http://HankZeppelin.com > >> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm > >> > >> > >> On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews > wrote: > >> > >> http://vimeo.com/33849024 > >> > >> Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all > >> > >> -- > >> Todd Matthews > >> toddbass.com > >> Twitter: gtodd876 > >> > > > > > > -- Wytold www.Wytold.com My New CD "When Fulvio Finds Celeste" --f46d041b4aa0387ad604b472a918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haha - yeah, the fingerboard feels pretty darn curved! =A0In combination wi= th the NS shoulder strap, it took a couple months to get to where I could r= eliably play in tune on the 6 string. =A0Of course, then my positioning was= off when I went back to the acoustic...sigh hah The Grand Stick is a dream instrument for me...one day!! On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Per = Boysen <perboys= en@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, Wytold - I've got the 5 string NS N= XT. The fingerboard is quite curved by five strings so I guess it must be almost like a half-circle to provide bowing access to all six strings! Having 6 octaves, like yours, at your finger tips is awesome when looping! That's exactly my ranger when using the Grand Stick or the EWI. It's nice being able to play bass parts manually down there; when<= br> using an instrument with a more narrow range I tend to rely on looping tricks for creating bass lines (speed/pitch shifting). Per On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Wytold Lebing <wytoldmusic@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, all! > > Per - it's a CR series cello from NS Design.=A0 Is that what you m= eant?=A0 I > haven't actually gotten to play on an NXT before because they don&= #39;t offer a > 6 string model, which I was dead set on purchasing :) But it's nic= e to know > you have an NS instrument as well! > > Which kind of answers your question, Chaz...The tuning from low to hig= h for > my electric cello is F-C-G-D-A-E, and the action is such that it is a = lot > more natural to play in the high register of the instrument than on a<= br> > traditional acoustic cello.=A0 And that's awesome for looping beca= use you > essentially have 6 octaves at your fingertips.=A0 The only problem is = that it > sounds kind of nasally in the mid-range, but I can often get around th= at > with some reverb! > > Happy holidays, > Wytold > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:06 AM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com> > wrote: >> >> That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass. >> To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded = very >> cello-like. >> >> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >> Electric Light Opry >> http://ChazWorm.= com >> http://ELOpry.com<= /a> >> http://HankZ= eppelin.com >> http://Y= ouTube.com/ChazWorm >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> http://vim= eo.com/33849024 >> >> Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all >> >> -- >> Todd Matthews >> toddbass.com= >> Twitter: gtodd876 >> > > -- Wytold www.Wytold.com My New CD &q= uot;When Fulvio Finds Celeste" =A0 --f46d041b4aa0387ad604b472a918-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 14:51:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00D5F183460; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=KoYOhSH24DYA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=yJpT7fFDAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=C0dlN8CBAAAA:8 a=QZJVGnQQuCF1CYS0GMUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=WAZqIcNoCGcA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=QWW7EjqLL3XzqKws140A:9 a=ZSOBqGNo4owF5PhjaFkA:7 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=6a-FUZWkMNkA:10 a=Ve/gYbypSi3EWUQmAwrREg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> <953A61F6-523D-4CFF-B946-BE7024E4ED4B@gmail.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-C0B37D3B-C7A3-44A2-93E2-491183AFF770 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <953A61F6-523D-4CFF-B946-BE7024E4ED4B@gmail.com> Message-Id: <4B32D8D3-062D-4325-959E-BFA0E783A396@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:51:47 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:51:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-C0B37D3B-C7A3-44A2-93E2-491183AFF770 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanx. I play my upright in a very rhythmic capacity and in order to do so m= y strings are extremely tall. There are many trade offs to this setup. It's g= ood for a nice percussive tone. The scale is shorter. My favorite is that gu= itar players and other bass players only attempt to play bass for a few seco= nds and abandon it disgusted. I like that.=20 The problem is its very hard to play past the 5th position. =20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: > Thanks Chaz! As bassists we do have to deal with a higher action then we'd= like to=E2=80=A6. especially playing orchestral bass because you don't want= the strings to buzz on the fingerboard when your pounding out some spiccato= .=20 >=20 > My advice in the upper register is to learn to use your relaxed left arm w= eight to your advantage to help you really make sure that string is closed d= own but in a relaxed state. The right arm advice is to experiment with your b= ow placement, bow speed, and bow weight to get the sound you want. For the h= igh register I like to bow pretty close to the bridge, faster bow speed, wit= h enough weight to pull out a complex tone(from partials) It's hard to descr= ibe this stuff by typing an email but I hope it helps with the double bass p= ractice! >=20 > Merry Christmas Looping Brethren=20 > On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:06 AM, chaz worm wrote: >=20 >> That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass.=20 >> To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very ce= llo-like.=20 >>=20 >> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >> Electric Light Opry >> http://ChazWorm.com >> http://ELOpry.com >> http://HankZeppelin.com >> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >>=20 >>=20 >> On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews wrote:= >>=20 >>> http://vimeo.com/33849024 >>>=20 >>> Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Todd Matthews >>> toddbass.com >>> Twitter: gtodd876 >>>=20 >=20 > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 >=20 --Apple-Mail-C0B37D3B-C7A3-44A2-93E2-491183AFF770 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thanx. I play my upright i= n a very rhythmic capacity and in order to do so my strings are extremely ta= ll. There are many trade offs to this setup. It's good for a nice percussive= tone. The scale is shorter. My favorite is that guitar players and other ba= ss players only attempt to play bass for a few seconds and abandon it disgus= ted. I like that. The problem is its very har= d to play past the 5th position. Chaz Worm - singer,= bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light= Opry http://ChazWorm.comhttp://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote: <= br> Thanks Chaz! As bassists w= e do have to deal with a higher action then we'd like to=E2=80=A6. especiall= y playing orchestral bass because you don't want the strings to buzz on the f= ingerboard when your pounding out some spiccato. My= advice in the upper register is to learn to use your relaxed left arm weigh= t to your advantage to help you really make sure that string is closed down b= ut in a relaxed state. The right arm advice is to experiment with your bow p= lacement, bow speed, and bow weight to get the sound you want. For the high r= egister I like to bow pretty close to the bridge, faster bow speed, with eno= ugh weight to pull out a complex tone(from partials) It's hard to describe t= his stuff by typing an email but I hope it helps with the double bass practi= ce! Merry Christmas Looping Brethren = On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:06 AM, chaz worm wrote: = That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass. To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very ce= llo-like. Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo E= arth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm = On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote: = http://= vimeo.com/33849024 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, H= appy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 -------------------- T= odd Matthews toddbass.com= twitter: gtodd876 = --Apple-Mail-C0B37D3B-C7A3-44A2-93E2-491183AFF770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 15:00:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A26AD183460; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zIPPTD725eIz6xKwie0oRUIRt38afX74gfKQDzQRzmY=; b=xpgCoJR1eoj2ILOdPZqYv7IeflNC/mAoghcMYGuIslxrM7CpZ+N14lMZJ6h2gDpB73 Or4D5rc0SuXYZztUw7LJC1VH15KxVEmf+pBwHj2H59BWy3R57UVKypf9SLjSrkbWwIbw OE+2zH1fe0x0OGKK3j2i/O5JH/cZ33AB6lwN4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:00:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:00:36 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Wytold Lebing wrot= e: > Haha - yeah, the fingerboard feels pretty darn curved! =C2=A0In combinati= on with > the NS shoulder strap, it took a couple months to get to where I could > reliably play in tune on the 6 string. =C2=A0Of course, then my positioni= ng was > off when I went back to the acoustic...sigh hah Interesting! I read in Ned Steinberg's web site that the intention was not to make an electric version of the acoustic cello but to "see where this instrument could go if let totally free in the electric domain". The lame mid range response in the electric output is an issue, like you were saying. I'm taking care or that by effects like like the Wha, Big Muff and Octavia. If the PU's were noisy before they now roar like a hurricane and I need to cut that off with a noise gate - before reverb, delay and such. That noise gate sounds ok when bowing but cuts the string sound in an unacceptable way when plucking. So I kind of trade pizzicato playability for a juicy bowing tone. Can't have everything ;-) > The Grand Stick is a dream instrument for me...one day!! Totally flat fingerboard. Since I got a Roland GK-3 on it there is no way to access it with a bow. Another trade-off. A bit sad since I liked the bowed Stick sound, although only three strings were accessible (lowest and two highest on the sides) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 15:28:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47127183464; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <8F5E973B-4E19-43DE-847C-EF45E99C6855@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 In-Reply-To: <8F5E973B-4E19-43DE-847C-EF45E99C6855@earthlink.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE8C79EDD4B54A_C7C_2EA4BA_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE8C79EDC1AA42-C7C-10EBFF@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.10.79] Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:28:01 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1324308482; bh=UJikAIZv4PSFHkc0HY23tcsJD+enHL/f8TJ02uRX7po=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nTZGsyaKGJZmlHwqvLTAwelyagpjulLAr3ddDhVxeVMmSkXcvxD+BPQw4YJ+yWogT RQw7Q1FGo4vElPtOhW8vif6AUJJG+IxPgWXrMAsZbck3WJWR6f/qFM8frF27ArlIgR ELRIXWzRsabpYgPH5SuUiq/bDRuCv4I+36P4sGKY= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:284415072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4eef580121ee Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:28:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE8C79EDD4B54A_C7C_2EA4BA_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i can hear DAD sayin'....."sweet tune todd, more moves than a snake, i taug= ht you well!" On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews wrot= e: http://vimeo.com/33849024 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all --=20 Todd Matthews toddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 =20 ----------MB_8CE8C79EDD4B54A_C7C_2EA4BA_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" i can hear DAD sayin'....."sweet tu= ne todd, more moves than a snake, i taught you well!" On Sat, Dec 17, 2011= at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews= @gmail.com> wrote: http://vimeo.co= m/33849024 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthews toddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876----------MB_8CE8C79EDD4B54A_C7C_2EA4BA_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 15:32:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F52A18345D; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEBC29F.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HNY In-Reply-To: <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE8C7A803982CA_C7C_2EAAD6_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE8C7A802D9BE5-C7C-10EE22@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.10.79] Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:32:07 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1324308727; bh=pRTc8tkt+jsmgFdk/ythz6fghulFSt1YElkpXTaCe/8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SeocjTeJiDwP9ozwaoeA7i9T4SYXWxTUcAeNq8Tn3D1HtMuLHZCIbPwyWZvWDx12/ dWtst+tKauZoWxfcUAB0oZkBXIRIH+UlWXM7TLi2mi+lBGCNVUW/MZ08tpxTnaB5lA DdQzIRDFE7nkk6tP/Jrk8VMwAkMEFtSM/947JVX4= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:311661792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094eef58f7064e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:32:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE8C7A803982CA_C7C_2EAAD6_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA terrific!.....tanks ren! =20 ----------MB_8CE8C7A803982CA_C7C_2EAAD6_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA ter= rific!.....tanks ren! ----------MB_8CE8C7A803982CA_C7C_2EAAD6_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 15:34:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8238D183464; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> <953A61F6-523D-4CFF-B946-BE7024E4ED4B@gmail.com> <4B32D8D3-062D-4325-959E-BFA0E783A396@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 In-Reply-To: <4B32D8D3-062D-4325-959E-BFA0E783A396@earthwormandfire.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE8C7AC53A5BA7_C7C_2EAE4F_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE8C7AC52C1361-C7C-10EF4D@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.10.79] Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:34:03 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1324308843; bh=e7sdUNF0rAjJIFoLZX2CYnETp0VlOe5zjpyOBzSx07k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W8Mo7Dk7JZyeZ+joF7m6EWalDvOl2geQomfOx7HriBkOxTZRtn7ojW/3bto73cEEh FwxVap61jHR3NbmxLnC1B5NfYjSPtT0JWZ1EKJ6957eoozh+jEEktchlOEVH3oS/ah LrGNDQ3Io15DWzKpVdbNlHbC1ifXTeWqUNWIjwUQ= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:265533888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4eef596b73f7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:34:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE8C7AC53A5BA7_C7C_2EAE4F_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i would like to add.....the harmony was beautiful! =20 ----------MB_8CE8C7AC53A5BA7_C7C_2EAE4F_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" i would like to add.....the harmony= was beautiful!----------MB_8CE8C7AC53A5BA7_C7C_2EAE4F_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 15:52:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5BD2183460; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=z9YCeelainKwGTtkIjl9GesFBEwfmacft6HXqvEbZsI=; b=vg7h8awM0d736zo7bxzqAvnzD2CsZ/KLh6NUdD+vzaJtNHDYejT6UK975dCPTydB52 TfmKZrM5LGI8Lzn6gm/fLlns6VGajHPnq7fDGIoQtXeVzdljYlWwPFntjSaE8b12I2BT 2eIB3BLlP4lm/qOnTTAjVktQheL85ls/7eKfE= From: Todd Matthews Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6D7ACE89-1B46-49A8-8759-F0470838E7FD" Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:52:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4B32D8D3-062D-4325-959E-BFA0E783A396@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> <953A61F6-523D-4CFF-B946-BE7024E4ED4B@gmail.com> <4B32D8D3-062D-4325-959E-BFA0E783A396@earthwormandfire.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: <5X3N2D.A.LCH.8217OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:52:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_6D7ACE89-1B46-49A8-8759-F0470838E7FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Do you mean like the rhythmic bluegrass slapping technique? I've always = wanted to learn how to play like that one of these days. Have you ever thought about bridge adjusters so you can have the best of = both worlds? Only takes a few secs for me to change my string height. On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:51 AM, chaz worm wrote: > Thanx. I play my upright in a very rhythmic capacity and in order to = do so my strings are extremely tall. There are many trade offs to this = setup. It's good for a nice percussive tone. The scale is shorter. My = favorite is that guitar players and other bass players only attempt to = play bass for a few seconds and abandon it disgusted. I like that.=20 >=20 > The problem is its very hard to play past the 5th position. =20 >=20 > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://ChazWorm.com > http://ELOpry.com > http://HankZeppelin.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >=20 >=20 > On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Todd Matthews = wrote: >=20 >> Thanks Chaz! As bassists we do have to deal with a higher action then = we'd like to=85. especially playing orchestral bass because you don't = want the strings to buzz on the fingerboard when your pounding out some = spiccato.=20 >>=20 >> My advice in the upper register is to learn to use your relaxed left = arm weight to your advantage to help you really make sure that string is = closed down but in a relaxed state. The right arm advice is to = experiment with your bow placement, bow speed, and bow weight to get the = sound you want. For the high register I like to bow pretty close to the = bridge, faster bow speed, with enough weight to pull out a complex = tone(from partials) It's hard to describe this stuff by typing an email = but I hope it helps with the double bass practice! >>=20 >> Merry Christmas Looping Brethren=20 >> On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:06 AM, chaz worm wrote: >>=20 >>> That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass.=20 >>> To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded = very cello-like.=20 >>>=20 >>> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >>> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >>> Electric Light Opry >>> http://ChazWorm.com >>> http://ELOpry.com >>> http://HankZeppelin.com >>> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> http://vimeo.com/33849024 >>>>=20 >>>> Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> Todd Matthews >>>> toddbass.com >>>> Twitter: gtodd876 >>>>=20 >>=20 >> -------------------- >> Todd Matthews >> toddbass.com >> twitter: gtodd876 >>=20 -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 --Apple-Mail=_6D7ACE89-1B46-49A8-8759-F0470838E7FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Thanx. I play my upright in = a very rhythmic capacity and in order to do so my strings are extremely = tall. There are many trade offs to this setup. It's good for a nice = percussive tone. The scale is shorter. My favorite is that guitar = players and other bass players only attempt to play bass for a few = seconds and abandon it disgusted. I like = that. The problem is its very hard to = play past the 5th position. Chaz Worm - singer, = bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric = Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm= On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Todd = Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> = wrote: Thanks = Chaz! As bassists we do have to deal with a higher action then we'd like = to=85. especially playing orchestral bass because you don't want the = strings to buzz on the fingerboard when your pounding out some = spiccato. My advice in the upper register is to = learn to use your relaxed left arm weight to your advantage to help you = really make sure that string is closed down but in a relaxed state. The = right arm advice is to experiment with your bow placement, bow speed, = and bow weight to get the sound you want. For the high register I like = to bow pretty close to the bridge, faster bow speed, with enough weight = to pull out a complex tone(from partials) It's hard to describe this = stuff by typing an email but I hope it helps with the double bass = practice! Merry Christmas Looping = Brethren On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:06 AM, chaz worm = wrote: That was amazing. So = inspiring I may practice my upright bass. To bow such a = nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very = cello-like. Chaz Worm - singer, bass, = banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light = Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm= On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd = Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> = wrote: http://vimeo.com/33849024 <= /div>Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 toddbass.com twitter: = gtodd876 toddbass.com twitter: = gtodd876 = --Apple-Mail=_6D7ACE89-1B46-49A8-8759-F0470838E7FD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 15:53:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FBCE183461; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=tvGQ1S0FOnEiN1uCLoOZ11va+MZxdqqShFDV0pKD1cc=; b=SOpKHlXC/kUkHdBAz+aJLAgdiudfj48PjPxK29K9xiLHNEVTmqRvQrrlE/Hn96F1+B yC9rn5wtNs9EJywZmf2ouBqxxf/zE9HeZS6hKuZnjlHir9GO5LbMSvdWC+KtVqByjKPJ 9O2a5Ym7F5lRo7eITv97uDhJzcdMeFZHEf2SE= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: HNY From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:53:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6C0DAF57-154F-4A2A-9705-8810C99BC06B@gmail.com> References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEBC29F.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Reyn, You just blew my mind. On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA >=20 > Happy New Year guys! A bit early.. but.. >=20 > Feel free to use the video if you don't fancy sending season greetings = cards yourself! I always make a new video every year. In the end it's = way less work and more original! :-) >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Reyn >=20 > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com >=20 -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 16:22:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5631D183461; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=KoYOhSH24DYA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=yJpT7fFDAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=C0dlN8CBAAAA:8 a=35NCRoKfMI8PRtxRb1kA:9 a=k18sNtS_G1eBvR7ZAroA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=WAZqIcNoCGcA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=YJvTDQrAyC-8NYOJRMQA:7 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=6a-FUZWkMNkA:10 a=Ve/gYbypSi3EWUQmAwrREg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Holiday Looping Vol. 3 References: <1FEE08BF-0455-48CA-A582-A0595660767F@earthwormandfire.com> <953A61F6-523D-4CFF-B946-BE7024E4ED4B@gmail.com> <4B32D8D3-062D-4325-959E-BFA0E783A396@earthwormandfire.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E5A27906-BF9D-4C10-9C43-4A203D31C8B2 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <184F49FD-D06C-4DD2-8015-D769081817D0@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:22:07 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:22:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-E5A27906-BF9D-4C10-9C43-4A203D31C8B2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Right. For some reason I never thought to much about actually adjusting my b= ridge. I may check into that.=20 As far as bluegrass slap goes its super easy. You abandon the idea of "picki= ng a note". I create an inadvertent note when I release the strings with my s= lapping hand. Almost an uppick if you will It's easy to keep time in that m= anner. I think it sounds very good. It may not. I notice bluegrass players s= eem to not like my approach. Oh well. I don't play bluegrass anyway. I play p= unkgrass. I'm not sure what the aesthetic protocol is for bluegrass bass. I'= m just making my own for punkgrass bass.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 19, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: > Do you mean like the rhythmic bluegrass slapping technique? I've always wa= nted to learn how to play like that one of these days. >=20 > Have you ever thought about bridge adjusters so you can have the best of b= oth worlds? Only takes a few secs for me to change my string height. >=20 > On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:51 AM, chaz worm wrote: >=20 >> Thanx. I play my upright in a very rhythmic capacity and in order to do s= o my strings are extremely tall. There are many trade offs to this setup. It= 's good for a nice percussive tone. The scale is shorter. My favorite is tha= t guitar players and other bass players only attempt to play bass for a few s= econds and abandon it disgusted. I like that.=20 >>=20 >> The problem is its very hard to play past the 5th position. =20 >>=20 >> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >> Electric Light Opry >> http://ChazWorm.com >> http://ELOpry.com >> http://HankZeppelin.com >> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >>=20 >>=20 >> On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: >>=20 >>> Thanks Chaz! As bassists we do have to deal with a higher action then we= 'd like to=E2=80=A6. especially playing orchestral bass because you don't wa= nt the strings to buzz on the fingerboard when your pounding out some spicca= to.=20 >>>=20 >>> My advice in the upper register is to learn to use your relaxed left arm= weight to your advantage to help you really make sure that string is closed= down but in a relaxed state. The right arm advice is to experiment with you= r bow placement, bow speed, and bow weight to get the sound you want. For th= e high register I like to bow pretty close to the bridge, faster bow speed, w= ith enough weight to pull out a complex tone(from partials) It's hard to des= cribe this stuff by typing an email but I hope it helps with the double bass= practice! >>>=20 >>> Merry Christmas Looping Brethren=20 >>> On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:06 AM, chaz worm wrote: >>>=20 >>>> That was amazing. So inspiring I may practice my upright bass.=20 >>>> To bow such a nice high register how high is your action? Sounded very c= ello-like.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >>>> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >>>> Electric Light Opry >>>> http://ChazWorm.com >>>> http://ELOpry.com >>>> http://HankZeppelin.com >>>> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Todd Matthews wrot= e: >>>>=20 >>>>> http://vimeo.com/33849024 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all >>>>>=20 >>>>> --=20 >>>>> Todd Matthews >>>>> toddbass.com >>>>> Twitter: gtodd876 >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -------------------- >>> Todd Matthews >>> toddbass.com >>> twitter: gtodd876 >>>=20 >=20 > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 >=20 --Apple-Mail-E5A27906-BF9D-4C10-9C43-4A203D31C8B2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Right. For some reason I n= ever thought to much about actually adjusting my bridge. I may check into th= at. As far as bluegrass slap goes its super easy. You abando= n the idea of "picking a note". I create an inadvertent note when I release t= he strings with my slapping hand. Almost an uppick if you will It's ea= sy to keep time in that manner. I think it sounds very good. It may not. I n= otice bluegrass players seem to not like my approach. Oh well. I don't play b= luegrass anyway. I play punkgrass. I'm not sure what the aesthetic protocol i= s for bluegrass bass. I'm just making my own for punkgrass bass. Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fi= re and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://EL= Opry.com http://HankZeppel= in.com http://YouTube.= com/ChazWorm On Dec 19, 2011, a= t 10:52 AM, Todd Matthews <gtmatt= hews@gmail.com> wrote: Do you mean like the rhythmic bluegrass slapping technique? I'= ve always wanted to learn how to play like that one of these days. Have you ever thought about bridge adjusters so you can have the b= est of both worlds? Only takes a few secs for me to change my string height.= On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:51 AM, chaz worm wrote: Thanx. I play my upright in a very rhythmic capacity and in or= der to do so my strings are extremely tall. There are many trade offs to thi= s setup. It's good for a nice percussive tone. The scale is shorter. My favo= rite is that guitar players and other bass players only attempt to play bass= for a few seconds and abandon it disgusted. I like that. The problem is its very hard to play past the 5th position. &nb= sp; Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &= amp;, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http:/= /HankZeppelin.com http= ://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Dec 1= 9, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Chaz! As bassists we do have to deal with a higher a= ction then we'd like to=E2=80=A6. especially playing orchestral bass because= you don't want the strings to buzz on the fingerboard when your pounding ou= t some spiccato. My advice in the upper register is= to learn to use your relaxed left arm weight to your advantage to help you r= eally make sure that string is closed down but in a relaxed state. The right= arm advice is to experiment with your bow placement, bow speed, and bow wei= ght to get the sound you want. For the high register I like to bow pretty cl= ose to the bridge, faster bow speed, with enough weight to pull out a comple= x tone(from partials) It's hard to describe this stuff by typing an email bu= t I hope it helps with the double bass practice! Me= rry Christmas Looping Brethren On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:06 A= M, chaz worm wrote: That was amazing. So inspiring I= may practice my upright bass. To bow such a nice high regis= ter how high is your action? Sounded very cello-like. Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire andElectric Light Opry http://= ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com<= /a> http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/Chaz= Worm On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:58 P= M, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmai= l.com> wrote: = http://vimeo.com/33849024 = Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays to all -- Todd Matthewstoddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 --------------= ------ Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 -------------------- T= odd Matthews toddbass.com= twitter: gtodd876 = --Apple-Mail-E5A27906-BF9D-4C10-9C43-4A203D31C8B2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 19:51:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48C8A18345E; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2j7KwmYsPfrfGF5OR053Ctx80C3khuy3QsFi/7qpUfM=; b=bUjXbsOC/J0K07luaJyboYaLHbShx8EEz3k4PdY3hNX3jKkrytLsnTnKeDaXMAQVZD qUPqAxNfansUs+zSowxDi//KehAghNPMxY2Zm1nB7LaDWYEV+E60HRRnyRf36Jfnb7Ls 0ylsoHmJCrRiVQ1mwotqOzrCcNuQ6Ka8jNkaQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6C0DAF57-154F-4A2A-9705-8810C99BC06B@gmail.com> References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEBC29F.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> <6C0DAF57-154F-4A2A-9705-8810C99BC06B@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:51:29 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HNY From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5299589d78e3c04b4774644 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:51:32 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec5299589d78e3c04b4774644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 well well well - loopers are also magicians, at least Reyn is! Wonderful, skillfully done ! Thank you!!! 2011/12/19 Todd Matthews > Reyn, > > You just blew my mind. > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > > > http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA > > > > Happy New Year guys! A bit early.. but.. > > > > Feel free to use the video if you don't fancy sending season greetings > cards yourself! I always make a new video every year. In the end it's way > less work and more original! :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Reyn > > > > www.reyn.net > > www.studiothechurch.com > > > > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 > > -- Petri Lahtinen --bcaec5299589d78e3c04b4774644 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well well well - loopers are also magicians, at least Reyn is! Wonde= rful, skillfully done ! Thank you!!! 2011= /12/19 Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> Reyn, You just blew my mind. On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA > > Happy New Year guys! A bit early.. but.. > > Feel free to use the video if you don't fancy sending season greet= ings cards yourself! I always make a new video every year. In the end it= 9;s way less work and more original! :-) > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > www.studi= othechurch.com > -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 -- Petri Lah= tinen --bcaec5299589d78e3c04b4774644-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 20:17:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9904518345F; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_412CE329-7951-4DF2-93D2-1A2F12C0A482" Subject: Re: HNY Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:17:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEBC29F.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> <6C0DAF57-154F-4A2A-9705-8810C99BC06B@gmail.com> Message-Id: <7433113E-D9BA-4DF6-A7E9-CFFDAA7EB058@reyn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:17:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_412CE329-7951-4DF2-93D2-1A2F12C0A482 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Well, musicians, magicians, it's very close.... :-) An english friend of mine always laughed when I said musician as I = always seem to pronounce it as 'magician'.... :-D Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > well well well - loopers are also magicians, at least Reyn is! >=20 > Wonderful, skillfully done ! Thank you!!! >=20 > 2011/12/19 Todd Matthews > Reyn, >=20 > You just blew my mind. >=20 > On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA > > > > Happy New Year guys! A bit early.. but.. > > > > Feel free to use the video if you don't fancy sending season = greetings cards yourself! I always make a new video every year. In the = end it's way less work and more original! :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Reyn > > > > www.reyn.net > > www.studiothechurch.com > > >=20 > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Petri Lahtinen >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_412CE329-7951-4DF2-93D2-1A2F12C0A482 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Petri Lahtinen = wrote: well well well - loopers are also magicians, at least Reyn = is! Wonderful, skillfully done ! Thank you!!! 2011/12/19 Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> Reyn, You just blew my mind. On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA > > Happy New Year guys! A bit early.. but.. > > Feel free to use the video if you don't fancy sending season = greetings cards yourself! I always make a new video every year. In the = end it's way less work and more original! :-) > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com > -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 -- Petri = Lahtinen = --Apple-Mail=_412CE329-7951-4DF2-93D2-1A2F12C0A482-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 20:37:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AC3618345E; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <6C0DAF57-154F-4A2A-9705-8810C99BC06B@gmail.com> Subject: RE: HNY Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:37:18 +0100 Message-ID: <05B9E6DA47254C7DA8A7160DD0619FDE@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Acy+iz6AQh/hoLx7T56S3QL7gdF6wgAAqFsA In-Reply-To: <6C0DAF57-154F-4A2A-9705-8810C99BC06B@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:37:24 +0000 (UTC) > From: Todd Matthews > Reyn, > You just blew my mind. > http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA mine too :) have a great year too Reyn! -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 21:44:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7EEE183460; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OGKTGDfF5CPo5RCG9U+OOXXCqGWkGC3GEqtDZ/AHcFQ=; b=T6FwMHBjwX0H2yxdFI9f4wRMMqKQFife0QMzfUSe1HTlLs/WUkgH4Nuwr+9RWyD2O0 Jk84Yv2Ou2Ariv815e//7wr9/lufMVZYb1ViJxHrQSddyhJnXKX6glxDTc+TGfaZ2Q1U Sgn4zedAWMOPEwvmKQslARc1Zhs+ul0Z4a988= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <05B9E6DA47254C7DA8A7160DD0619FDE@mpeserver> References: <6C0DAF57-154F-4A2A-9705-8810C99BC06B@gmail.com> <05B9E6DA47254C7DA8A7160DD0619FDE@mpeserver> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:44:51 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HNY From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Way cool Reyn! Happy New Year! On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Michael Peters wrote: >> From: Todd Matthews >> Reyn, >> You just blew my mind. >> http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA > > mine too :) =A0have a great year too Reyn! =A0 -Michael > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 03:16:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 841F718345C; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 03:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k0npwD3pwDzkXf+2H22qqieBy1JfnQJkSTRW3IsZqug=; b=e8LSjjNC4wi2MqpC/OFJAVL6qt1RRLO3d2OFxaxviIZ5RTKrUuomONeR0JzRFEF8S0 uxu8Wt3DNyTxq3pQdbhMCtQaS/XPfvWMvIKKMq8jXgy/b1h6FsLBmNyQ2SJLhp0upGhL iE5Tz/drz46c8Kl4JNFVUKdjUXcV+IalDO3+o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6C0DAF57-154F-4A2A-9705-8810C99BC06B@gmail.com> <05B9E6DA47254C7DA8A7160DD0619FDE@mpeserver> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 04:16:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HNY From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 03:16:42 +0000 (UTC) very cool! HNY! 2011/12/19, Art Simon : > Way cool Reyn! Happy New Year! > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Michael Peters wrote: >>> From: Todd Matthews >>> Reyn, >>> You just blew my mind. >>> http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA >> >> mine too :) =A0have a great year too Reyn! =A0 -Michael >> >> > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 10:10:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49485183460; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nAxJzysmH9WW/+cx2p8WFuv2uhAzoVXjt8WGTydPgPA=; b=x7GlzFkkgYzp/svFOLilSK+6aX5vw2z+N/uS6Brwp4jbJE7cO5k7xkJJXV/Il1oIM2 f6btDS3AmKdebzoZXd7Ox0iwmAeKi9fc1EQw9BM1y9C2fS/6NnLxbAOus1lNPqkurB2R NbXBeyAaDAG5u6owXg8o8FTtpREjm+EIE/SxM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:10:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Interfaces From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93411bbb518fc04b48345ce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:10:11 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93411bbb518fc04b48345ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Would really apperciate feedback on these... maudio http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html motu http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! Questions? Answers! (Focus) :-) -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae93411bbb518fc04b48345ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would really apperciate feedback on these... maudio http:/= /www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html motu http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! Ques= tions? Answers!=A0 (Focus)=A0 :-) -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae93411bbb518fc04b48345ce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 20:07:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54588183460; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j8y+7qgtCj/t3wihicn/Z0AoSVCtaDuaJo/YF2iMh+g=; b=eudGUg7D6ikpOaa8uwGtUlb7yyG+c6QOeiJl0yEpLr9XFbb1jwXDvIjjXHymMAftYY cECRW1fBPwM0zLUIhzQT3T/1aoGrN94LLqwsp9NghOYSOF4d7G0ZdaUaMZB5/E2lpZnd 35UI2ZuuTFjh9ZDwVl5tuW6mzOZSdQ/5a1Ln4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:07:18 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: digitech jamman delay pedal? the actual 16 sec of delay in it? From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba3fd26f3df06304b48b9da1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:07:19 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba3fd26f3df06304b48b9da1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 does anyone have one of these? have you messed w/ the 16 of delay? can you loop w/ it? does it do varispeed stuff like what bill frisell did w/ his old digitehc pds8000? just curious. thanks, scott --90e6ba3fd26f3df06304b48b9da1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 does anyone have one of these? have you messed w/ the 16 of delay? can you loop w/ it? does it do varispeed stuff like what bill frisell did w/ his old digitehc pds8000? just curious. thanks, scott --90e6ba3fd26f3df06304b48b9da1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 22:28:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A06B183461; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ksvGpNY4y4cwJdPd4PoBAFLxgOKQ5VrzzdgatY8oaAo=; b=PhSDk2EZlctAS3jFdwvipPmam5cIXmfYINZhybVEJBOU7my2tKWhF3X559e+AmpFCp lldalCLoEJ66d3FPqBx98L8BS3TQSyxz0umzAQcmYliHJn0V/hC3cdL9ngMogiHKEFhI wA0hLTmKfRcNRUpDLEwbjmWfJcln1NhPvKHTQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:28:02 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: My LP2 order is ready to ship From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:28:03 +0000 (UTC) I got an email from Bob on Saturday, confirming my mailing address for imminent LP2 shipment! -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 22:37:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B69D183461; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 898 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:37:20 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kNy8E3Pn67Qk5+q2fzmtE1XBYFf+JpIS2fVbkBYpq5n7Bp+q5RhuZ1K6ANIXwsJV; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31399416.1324419741790.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:22:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digitech jamman delay pedal? the actual 16 sec of delay in it? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4864a815ca17d627d43d2b1af560711e2231a49835436c9336350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi Scott-i gott m= ine still. never measured whether its actually 16 seconds er not.its my 1st looper ala ABelew-does varispeed-warp and total me= ssup of the signal if you want. the 16sec. is a 4 bits-so not very good for= an accurate signal to be looped. Frisell used= one of these in the early days til the pds8000-which kinda does the same t= hing-but not as many variations, choices w/it. s -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hansen Sent: Dec 20, 2011 12:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: digitech jamman delay pedal? the actual 16 sec of delay in it? does anyone have one of these? have you messed w/ the 16 of = delay? can you loop w/ it? does it do varispeed stuff like wh= at bill frisell did w/ his old digitehc pds8000? just curious. thanks, scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 01:08:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 802DD18345C; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lZInDNhqmMLo7qPYMtvCnbMoeNKVMuX1EOHRLmNUPYA=; b=NAGE1lSN9s+ebELnwwrq9S/7Bj6xNlQy36NwHUcPYhmvgRw/zwdAmyGqu2fjnD/yIQ cYUOXwSBUhVbXyiNqbh46QzradlS+O1GpGS8I7yLlJXEMseCvhvssQqYAAeDmYCq8XV+ AGQPMeRaM23zgzIv/NoAinOImL8GfXrMVbGoQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: My LP2 order is ready to ship From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302ef872ca5d0c04b48fd01c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:08:05 +0000 (UTC) --20cf302ef872ca5d0c04b48fd01c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That is great! On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I got an email from Bob on Saturday, confirming my mailing address for > imminent LP2 shipment! > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com --20cf302ef872ca5d0c04b48fd01c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is great! On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:= 28 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote: I got an email from Bob on Saturday, confirming my mailing address for imminent LP2 shipment! -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusi= c.com Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt -- = Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com --20cf302ef872ca5d0c04b48fd01c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 04:39:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29B1B183462; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1539 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:39:56 UTC X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:15:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Interfaces In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1031073==.ALT" Message-Id: <20111221041413.452E684ABC@server01.gorrie.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:39:57 +0000 (UTC) --=====================_1031073==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have the motu 8pre and love it. I've used both as a my interface for the computer and on occasion as a mic pre out on the adat to my mixing board to pick up 8 more channels. I haven't had any issues with it at all. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 02:10 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote: >Would really apperciate feedback on these... > >maudio >http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html >motu >http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html > >Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! >Questions? Answers! (Focus) :-) > >-- >Petri Lahtinen > --=====================_1031073==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I have the motu 8pre and love it. I've used both as a my interface for the computer and on occasion as a mic pre out on the adat to my mixing board to pick up 8 more channels. I haven't had any issues with it at all. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 02:10 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote: Would really apperciate feedback on these... maudio http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html motu http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! Questions? Answers! (Focus) :-) -- Petri Lahtinen --=====================_1031073==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 07:05:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEC3B18345F; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=I1vV9S2Io4FzldP2OMTXv0JUcXumWJfew8QHBniy0zI=; b=WYNJ6QJxgPQlv/LkdcL/xKCASZESefbmCCjnawqSt//WKN2UBslfC8Atlh9Kj4ONB+ ZhlCAZbFJGj015k1OnAJ0Nf8sirznSD/7i8HeCv15GxKhlXXV75T2GDArVPAhmzdxUYM IA3siVKqyWWbry0uXa2ih3dNbHFK4FaSRPC4c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111221041413.452E684ABC@server01.gorrie.wightman.ca> References: <20111221041413.452E684ABC@server01.gorrie.wightman.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:05:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Interfaces From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5299589ff9ebc04b494cf96 Resent-Message-ID: <3aFFnD.A.KmG.JVY8OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:05:45 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec5299589ff9ebc04b494cf96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Paul! 2011/12/19 paul > I have the motu 8pre and love it. I've used both as a my interface for > the computer and on occasion as a mic pre out on the adat to my mixing > board to pick up 8 more channels. I haven't had any issues with it at all. > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > > At 02:10 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote: > > Would really apperciate feedback on these... > > maudio http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html > motu http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html > > Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! > Questions? Answers! (Focus) :-) > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > -- Petri Lahtinen --bcaec5299589ff9ebc04b494cf96 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Paul! 2011/12/19 paul <phaslem@wightman.ca>= ; I have the motu 8pre and love it. I've used both as a my interface for the computer and on occasion as a mic pre out on the adat to my mixing board to pick up 8 more channels. I haven't had any issues with it at all. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 02:10 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote: Would really apperciate feedback on these... maudio http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html motu http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! Questions? Answers!=A0 (Focus)=A0 :-) -- Petri Lahtinen -- Petri Lahtinen <= br> --bcaec5299589ff9ebc04b494cf96-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 10:15:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACBD3183460; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=mE/EMTieQHYLu44AdPYfsGIl4FV76g7iBF1nhML9TKc=; b=P4RajGrcZPr+ISPLyEU0X1yUqBvONfDbAWqaihICuhMez84xFuok6DO1Lq+GphDjFx 8VFjyvlQrHDxfOz5zphalR9H1OUMzo8Eb5/FhwWI9RoNTIgLsTbM3sSYn3wZI9veDl/V KszaSX2qHXk5vCUMmwxZ+eYNvFP8bZ/7Q1840= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 05:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: My version of O Holy Night To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c06e483ebb404b4977610 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:15:29 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c06e483ebb404b4977610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey everyone! I've been meaning to record a holiday/Christmas song for several years, but I finally had some time to do it! I used to sing in various a cappella and barbershop groups, where we did really powerful versions of O Holy Night. I'm a looper at heart, but sometimes, other recordings come out that aren't heavily loop based (although I do my recordings in Ableton, and the bassline/rhythm is looped). My rendition of that holiday classic has a bit more 'flavour' to it (although I still want to do a really vocal heavy version!), with some salsa/latin/reggae sounds in there. I grew up in South America, so it's about time that those influences poked their heads out. It's a home recording, but still a good enough recording to play for the family at Christmas dinner! You can listen to it on my website www.jeanpaulderoover.com, where you can also download it for free. Happy holidays to all my fellow loopers! -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --f46d043c06e483ebb404b4977610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey everyone! I've been meaning to record a holiday/Christmas so= ng for several years, but I finally had some time to do it! I used to sing = in various a cappella and barbershop groups, where we did really powerful v= ersions of O Holy Night. I'm a looper at heart, but sometimes, other re= cordings come out that aren't heavily loop based (although I do my reco= rdings in Ableton, and the bassline/rhythm is looped). My rendition of that holiday classic has a bit more 'fla= vour' to it (although I still want to do a really vocal heavy version!)= , with some salsa/latin/reggae sounds in there. I grew up in South America,= so it's about time that those influences poked their heads out. It'= ;s a home recording, but still a good enough recording to play for the fami= ly at Christmas dinner! You can listen to it on my website=A0www.jeanpaulderoover.com, where you can also = download it for free.=A0 Happy holidays to all my fellow loopers! -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3= 376 --f46d043c06e483ebb404b4977610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 11:47:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E5A3183460; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1324468075; bh=u33eU/HEndgI8q/W3xgyiCdjtKTddhLZniTxN91v+/o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=Rl4VDtAAPc5G19U09Vb2ik+UoOFoZFoBq7QBga0I1hw6KzGohtfxDD526NK2LMs/ojvtLjZha0T8feQgqRVnfbkJuvOEQ0QmljMl3RoiEwWy5Tt2TFRO1ZzhtZtFwzBdChhtb7xjSelVUtlXjB9pkhm1efd/GvYBFZ190gnRlCM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 568434.23142.bm@smtp149.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6vClDg4VM1kOpTBr5InqYb7mZCphHs2qhOPCgsoM8oryWxZ grP6PYed2rRp7b8iRRf8uVBoi2Ov9tLUcWxRUIDTzHPxWBhOAfFh.32DS9gQ NEGsSo0MU46Gyi7DsB_MzDJmnauFFVDzLzRROmAP257E7qEVxomFQEcd8FnB te_PEET5WE9bKPLGFIoNP4KbN9v88aKiPToPPVGwTWDZaiSoah9JG6Nfw6Uq ktqBnKoATVDgF2KRjadZcMtNbGOs5PfOSw4KcCNemlQpYnzjLHnhShMNgTGx bjxEWL.U2foGzQUiIg_62ORWkaPUN3JD2DR8am35bu3LFNucMCteYzBoLRsL C29bFF6jYFuwi3N6I2YCCfOO_SKOlTbnj7jww_1vjQLDGw6AaDWR6N28wMvn ienzOugJPf1YNVT4Z8nfn80ebEwALd_G_mNa54hj0boHBSG2qhIVgLlme5gC 020yXhfYYgDKjqyVP.nHJYbpyzsJTKUn7j3izVhk9sQtczyvRii0dbQSDngZ p66hZRJMDnHzSK8sgWBWCu1XcHEmodf6uAqdxIK5NN7V1rM8NWBxPhw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:47:56 +0100 Subject: Re: HNY In-Reply-To: <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> References: <4EEBC29F.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> Message-Id: <20111221124756.FE0FA920.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: <0Hm4rD.A.3NB.sdc8OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Nice, Reyn !!! And very original !! HNY to you all!! Joyeux No=EBl et Meilleurs voeux pour la nouvelle=20 ann=E9e. Ben -------------------------------------------------- Reyn Ouwehand wrote: (19/12/2011 14:13) > http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA >=20 > Happy New Year guys! A bit early.. but.. >=20 > Feel free to use the video if you don't fancy sending season greetings ca= rds yourself! I always make a new video every year. In the end it's way les= s work and more original! :-) >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Reyn >=20 > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 11:58:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD39518345D; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E466DC0A-4415-40A3-A35C-E488335E8E25" Subject: Re: HNY Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:58:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20111221124756.FE0FA920.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4EEBC29F.1020203@post.cybercity.dk> <0A2E036C-F8C9-4C30-88E3-F345C2628E7C@reyn.net> <20111221124756.FE0FA920.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Message-Id: <6DF1C5A8-88D7-4763-88A7-300C6C976E96@reyn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:58:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_E466DC0A-4415-40A3-A35C-E488335E8E25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Merci, et toi aussi! Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Ben wrote: > Nice, Reyn !!! > And very original !! > HNY to you all!! Joyeux No=EBl et Meilleurs voeux pour la nouvelle=20 > ann=E9e. >=20 > Ben >=20 > -------------------------------------------------- > Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > (19/12/2011 14:13) >=20 >> http://www.youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA >>=20 >> Happy New Year guys! A bit early.. but.. >>=20 >> Feel free to use the video if you don't fancy sending season = greetings cards yourself! I always make a new video every year. In the = end it's way less work and more original! :-) >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Reyn >>=20 >> www.reyn.net >> www.studiothechurch.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_E466DC0A-4415-40A3-A35C-E488335E8E25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Ben wrote: Nice, = Reyn !!! And very original !! HNY to you all!! Joyeux No=EBl et = Meilleurs voeux pour la nouvelle = ann=E9e. Ben -------------------------------------------= ------- Reyn Ouwehand <loopers-delight@reyn.net> = wrote: (19/12/2011 14:13) http://www= .youtube.com/reynouwehand#p/u/12/gT-ML0NKRlA Happy New = Year guys! A bit early.. but.. Feel free to = use the video if you don't fancy sending season greetings cards = yourself! I always make a new video every year. In the end it's way less = work and more original! :-) Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com = --Apple-Mail=_E466DC0A-4415-40A3-A35C-E488335E8E25-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 15:20:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D124A18345F; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=PkEQyNCYLLntd0+EB8U1DPYe+JIdqSCcqqO7zbDbEmQ=; b=rE2aPKqUo7LGzQQx9ckh4NrhTdnuWoQ/lLqOkmDVzXSh47PNvSM43hczGYfLOHixSY tjLO+ZkoCH93VO5dczuxDjRYd3sUYzwmkbEseav2C48A7GL/QJ98O2tSexR6Qeb7HnLI KpID8p3W+A7f+WRU7yzlJlwmgnJHv2vyp9Od0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:20:00 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SVZv5XgVhDuOdKRtx80-fLOzuCs Message-ID: Subject: SXSW From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d45fe8a5a7b604b49bb79f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:20:02 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d45fe8a5a7b604b49bb79f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Hey Hey! Is anyone planning on heading down to SXSW in March? I'm definitely going and was thinking it'd be pretty swell if we could setup a Looper's Delight showcase. Thoughts? love Dan www.iamdanielharris.com --0016e6d45fe8a5a7b604b49bb79f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Hey Hey! Is anyone planning on heading down to SXSW in March? I'm definitely going and was thinking it'd be pretty swell if we could setup a Looper's Delight showcase. Thoughts? love Dan www.iamdanielharris.com --0016e6d45fe8a5a7b604b49bb79f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 15:39:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94C8F183454; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=B2XKpm_CUIYA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:17 a=3_3b9OhyAAAA:8 a=b02rhTuYvft0LIXR5SUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rvzTUjpTADsA:10 a=BtbikuJGBgYA:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: My version of O Holy Night From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:39:54 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <7T17WD.A.u8D.M3f8OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Really nice J-P. On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:15 AM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > Hey everyone! >=20 > I've been meaning to record a holiday/Christmas song for several = years, but I finally had some time to do it! I used to sing in various a = cappella and barbershop groups, where we did really powerful versions of = O Holy Night. I'm a looper at heart, but sometimes, other recordings = come out that aren't heavily loop based (although I do my recordings in = Ableton, and the bassline/rhythm is looped). >=20 > My rendition of that holiday classic has a bit more 'flavour' to it = (although I still want to do a really vocal heavy version!), with some = salsa/latin/reggae sounds in there. I grew up in South America, so it's = about time that those influences poked their heads out. It's a home = recording, but still a good enough recording to play for the family at = Christmas dinner! >=20 > You can listen to it on my website www.jeanpaulderoover.com, where you = can also download it for free.=20 >=20 > Happy holidays to all my fellow loopers! >=20 > --=20 > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > (807) 251-3376 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 15:42:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A20618345E; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 897700.21583.bm@omp1001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1324482169; bh=EAB7h8cC6YPFyBCa8F9nYCIU3waiAcq2nzlEiM3BHnM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qAfTjoxeDtvWq6Xp9W0Wezj/fb2mCPecLyXSosW9Sl1vKE3JSl0HbrWsA4pq+CdgOJDsBR4CXFl+7T4ZpnQAvPuqXCFgEATXP7SxwOPfBExC4uyVU8hc0Ubx5+ATnsRBPHBYmeJwwB5cD+huroTz/dwl5aMql0A6oldwdZVw7uU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bbCZ5Fpi4GNxUuzGZ7fEW5a0kye/ob7D2QRgYQfSdP5MhqDeA0ZHYruE2sbIMdMSjvgMxl6KdzKAO/rJKUOxnwgLQxCGM5FSw7HyYVKouLhQFhzTmUTvI44s5/EOfSBNroRevFe5B4DpwUYvZIpPPG/m7YqRo5nMit3NxxPR/30=; X-YMail-OSG: D0n8WOEVM1mLvNA17oAOPGRkfIBdn07GSrXxf6.iVes.3kf Iyg_yFY8obAA.W8HIlzMo405oV9d4fV.8xyvJXcXobqze_t9yb3Z0UHRcSpF iNKLVFaumLBbuKpCdiwLCb.DdLulXuPte1aH6daShqvXe9KQM1TWU4aLLdci pjmdreuEEaGqz4OJ8UztAX8RChHYbCFN24MYTPTdxPe5PNZZ3I6kduZ_EO8I mUXmS2FnLgRqinFlAuRPXp875yQ7AG4H8N2qts.sHOA0VwJanfI_gN5rRiEM ylAvMXeib1NfLxChM_UQgv3ekIK.q0LHxD8MvApL3M3Nm7t84VBBT_cxsouX Qw._uSMrlLLrccKD.ihRildrl4CgG3.0w8rCHfV24ezkv4FkTU5FN6QLPm1C HukO8xoGFXG_Gm.F_KvwtCpVKL6tNrP9t_niUNfTWSPrTQ93i39A_AYqeym8 ePJKgGK_FIJKhMGpXcg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> <525F06F3-BB19-438B-B9FE-66F404C33D85@earthlink.net> <4EEB54DE.3080908@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEB7CAE.2060009@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB7D9A.4090105@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <1324482169.36846.YahooMailNeo@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <4EEB7D9A.4090105@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-891665158-1324482169=:36846" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:42:50 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-891665158-1324482169=:36846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the very interesting information. I opted for the 24Bit/44Kh= z setting on the Tascam DR-2d. I have to say, though, that this unit is the= most twitchy portable digital recorder I've used as far as getting good re= cording levels. I 'think' I finally have a setting that works (and I'm usin= g the "safety" track Dual Record at -6 dB lower). I thought I 'still' notic= ed an artifact or two where my guitar sent the level too high for a brief p= eriod. I'm close to returning the unit frankly as I never had issues with a= ny of the Zoom recordings like this unit. =0A=A0=0ARegards, Paul ---2114655128-891665158-1324482169=:36846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the very interesting infor= mation. I opted for the 24Bit/44Khz setting on the Tascam DR-2d. I have to = say, though, that this unit is the most twitchy portable digital recorder I= 've used as far as getting good recording levels. I 'think' I finally have = a setting that works (and I'm using the "safety" track Dual Record at -6 dB= lower). I thought I 'still' noticed an artifact or two where my guitar sen= t the level too high for a brief period. I'm close to returning the unit fr= ankly as I never had issues with any of the Zoom recordings like this unit.= Regards, Paul ---2114655128-891665158-1324482169=:36846-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 15:51:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3824E18345F; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7PYFpI48pOBTFIJi7asqd878upwIuMgTuZdkbA4r62k=; b=r3bdKlKrASt9WAjpMagrk3dJi7s/wLgv4LvyXwgTTOyH6n8nOUZfmRTWoDXIk0ck+Q j/vWh/0N23FyS3sd5RqwHPxFsGi1dz9OMj+LQqFHv7hSWPDs/6K4P+9WKP2KTlHx53J9 rHyxUyS1VAYMnKIC2J/JW30G4yLsvOmuJU2FA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111221041413.452E684ABC@server01.gorrie.wightman.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:51:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Interfaces From: Keith Smith To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd80a5849bb04b49c2877 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:51:32 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd80a5849bb04b49c2877 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Much the same, here. It replaced an aging Firepod. I do find the Motu drivers can be a bit fussy on Windows, but the gear sounds great. Having said that, I should add that the most trouble I had was getting an old 2408Mk3 to run on Win7/64, but with the latest drivers it's all good now. I've used the 8pre both as interface for my Laptop(XP on DellE6400) and to feed Adat to a 1st generation Traveller on the same machine. No issues, though I do find the DSP prog a bit cluttzy. It also gets used to send Adat to the 2408 on my Win7 Desktop. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Petri Lahtinen < kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Paul! > > > 2011/12/19 paul > >> I have the motu 8pre and love it. I've used both as a my interface for >> the computer and on occasion as a mic pre out on the adat to my mixing >> board to pick up 8 more channels. I haven't had any issues with it at al= l. >> >> Paul Haslem >> www.dulcify.ca >> Ontario, Canada >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 02:10 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote: >> >> Would really apperciate feedback on these... >> >> maudio http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html >> motu http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html >> >> Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! >> Questions? Answers! (Focus) :-) >> >> -- >> Petri Lahtinen >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > > --=20 Keith Smith -Guitar Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca Photography - www.mymountains.ca --0015175cd80a5849bb04b49c2877 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Much the same, here. It replaced an aging Firepod. I do find the Motu drive= rs can be a bit fussy on Windows, but the gear sounds great. Having said= that, I should add that the most trouble I had was getting an old 2408Mk3 = to run on Win7/64, but with the latest drivers it's all good now. I've used the 8pre both as interface for my Laptop(XP on DellE6400) and= to feed Adat to a 1st generation Traveller on the same machine. No issues,= though I do find the DSP prog a bit cluttzy. It also gets used to send = Adat to the 2408 on my Win7 Desktop. =A0 On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Pet= ri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Paul! 2011/12/19 paul <phaslem@wightman.ca> I have the motu 8pre and love it. I've used both as a my interface for the computer and on occasion as a mic pre out on the adat to my mixing board to pick up 8 more channels. I haven't had any issues with it at all. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 02:10 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote: Would really apperciate feedback on these... maudio http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html motu http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! Questions? Answers!=A0 (Focus)=A0 :-) -- Petri Lahtinen -- Petri Lahtinen -- Keith Smi= th -Guitar Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.caPhotography - www= .mymountains.ca --0015175cd80a5849bb04b49c2877-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 17:06:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E5FB183454; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EF21226.6080700@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:06:46 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> <525F06F3-BB19-438B-B9FE-66F404C33D85@earthlink.net> <4EEB54DE.3080908@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEB7CAE.2060009@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB7D9A.4090105@googlemail.com> <1324482169.36846.YahooMailNeo@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1324482169.36846.YahooMailNeo@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7isfjD.A.-GF.OIh8OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Is it possible your Tascam (which I don't know) has ill calibrated inputs, so when you set it for -6dB recording, you're actually closer to the max? How about simply using a soft-knee limiter as a gentle lid on the top peaks? /van Paul Richards wrote: > Thanks for all the very interesting information. I opted for the > 24Bit/44Khz setting on the Tascam DR-2d. I have to say, though, that > this unit is the most twitchy portable digital recorder I've used as far > as getting good recording levels. I 'think' I finally have a setting > that works (and I'm using the "safety" track Dual Record at -6 dB > lower). I thought I 'still' noticed an artifact or two where my guitar > sent the level too high for a brief period. I'm close to returning the > unit frankly as I never had issues with any of the Zoom recordings like > this unit. > > Regards, Paul -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 17:22:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13FE018345E; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=3b8d/5N681PeAPj1ejAwdYxRwdgOcY0oVmjYSfaus3k=; b=MbMYdp/q7MiXv36sLjtTRi77ofg0lSbJyKSRt5xJCVfoYuOkNgZiY1ApuXORLtxw+F yS2VzizkBblcw0f3Wx5YtNwpbz0k7h1gNt4irV7pjJaujN0JIth+QdxN8dl9vCPlsvDR OkpNMPAIy0XGvZ+A9WN+qerK3v95HqfG3hkvk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:21:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: My version of O Holy Night To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdf1429ab7304b49d6caa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:22:05 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043bdf1429ab7304b49d6caa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Ted! I hope everything's well in Oregon! On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > Really nice J-P. > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:15 AM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > > > Hey everyone! > > > > I've been meaning to record a holiday/Christmas song for several years, > but I finally had some time to do it! I used to sing in various a cappella > and barbershop groups, where we did really powerful versions of O Holy > Night. I'm a looper at heart, but sometimes, other recordings come out that > aren't heavily loop based (although I do my recordings in Ableton, and the > bassline/rhythm is looped). > > > > My rendition of that holiday classic has a bit more 'flavour' to it > (although I still want to do a really vocal heavy version!), with some > salsa/latin/reggae sounds in there. I grew up in South America, so it's > about time that those influences poked their heads out. It's a home > recording, but still a good enough recording to play for the family at > Christmas dinner! > > > > You can listen to it on my website www.jeanpaulderoover.com, where you > can also download it for free. > > > > Happy holidays to all my fellow loopers! > > > > -- > > Jean-Paul De Roover > > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > > (807) 251-3376 > > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --f46d043bdf1429ab7304b49d6caa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ted! I hope everything's well in Oregon! On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Ted Killian = <tedkillian@charter.net>= ; wrote: Really nice J-P. On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:15 AM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > Hey everyone! > > I've been meaning to record a holiday/Christmas song for several y= ears, but I finally had some time to do it! I used to sing in various a cap= pella and barbershop groups, where we did really powerful versions of O Hol= y Night. I'm a looper at heart, but sometimes, other recordings come ou= t that aren't heavily loop based (although I do my recordings in Ableto= n, and the bassline/rhythm is looped). > > My rendition of that holiday classic has a bit more 'flavour' = to it (although I still want to do a really vocal heavy version!), with som= e salsa/latin/reggae sounds in there. I grew up in South America, so it'= ;s about time that those influences poked their heads out. It's a home = recording, but still a good enough recording to play for the family at Chri= stmas dinner! > > You can listen to it on my website www.jeanpaulderoover.com, where you can also= download it for free. > > Happy holidays to all my fellow loopers! > > -- > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jean= paulderoover.com > (807) 251-= 3376 -- = Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --f46d043bdf1429ab7304b49d6caa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 18:12:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EABB018345D; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EF221B1.8090804@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:13:05 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEST iPad Apps for LIVE LOOPING References: <4EE808FD.8090909@cruzio.com> <4EE8C091.6040802@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE903AB.8050606@post.cybercity.dk> <4EE9BBB0.70109@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEA05D9.8090009@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEB1788.4040408@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EEB1788.4040408@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) AOC announces an Apple Iphone docking monitor: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2134095/aoc-announces-apple-iphone-docking-monitor "Because Apple products all use the same proprietary connector you can also dock different Ipod models but the Ipad is probably a bit big to place in front of your monitor." If it's really the same connector on all Apple products, an audio gadget for the iphone should work on the ipad too. Not that I know of such gadgets, but others may.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 19:28:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AA0118345E; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=+krCuKv/tHnXiGihGIwzgdHwqWwi1OL3oT4ofOjXMWI=; b=ZtviMGO3cGx83q7piXQdz72S8nBbW7i+4G1/kSKwNJvgnOt5l5vQMoyKEVJa1ia2tD MtXnH8ugbxW9nqpy87gawLRJbot1QuFUzvBqfPMf7avVjjkQPCadWMUj+oY8my/TC3y4 TLu2atrajPe0/+UEpG3GkFs+HgBpIBrvrcM+w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SXSW To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747c696dfee2d04b49f310a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:28:58 +0000 (UTC) --00151747c696dfee2d04b49f310a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea though. What are the costs involved? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel wrote: > Hey Hey Hey! > > Is anyone planning on heading down to SXSW in March? > > I'm definitely going and was thinking it'd be pretty swell if we could > setup a Looper's Delight showcase. > > Thoughts? > > > love > Dan > > > www.iamdanielharris.com > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --00151747c696dfee2d04b49f310a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea t= hough. What are the costs involved? On We= d, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote: Hey Hey Hey! Is anyone planning on h= eading down to SXSW in March? I'm definitely going and was thin= king it'd be pretty swell if we could setup a Looper's Delight show= case. Thoughts? love Dan www.iamdanielharris.com -- Jean-Paul De= Roover ww= w.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --00151747c696dfee2d04b49f310a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 19:32:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D964718345D; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iXK0woY5KIRAoAA/XI4+1+GA5FcAfKOFng1okj+bUv4=; b=UQGaTYT5UN6SuKgyir9FtKOWLjk/z9aKDtGlbqrfu/pzc9lQsQGRmkl3xJeCACLDkS oL+dxNpji+IfdKlLBp/vIf4QBKwyaiIOmDyMNxaSO9wDrnQXR0HPbX9+NSFtgjR/eCha izW4xFZscjAgtCmlBWcQwwPf4eYP6EoaqBtPA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:32:40 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ETiufpGsgIdbADJJogNBH5q5Cmw Message-ID: Subject: Re: SXSW From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173ff2d440e3a104b49f3f9e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:32:41 +0000 (UTC) --0015173ff2d440e3a104b49f3f9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, I was there in 2010 -- insanity. But if we were able to find a coffee shop or if anyone on this list is based in Austin and could host a house-showcase, that'd be great. Anyone on here based down in Austin, TX? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea > though. What are the costs involved? > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel wrote: > >> Hey Hey Hey! >> >> Is anyone planning on heading down to SXSW in March? >> >> I'm definitely going and was thinking it'd be pretty swell if we could >> setup a Looper's Delight showcase. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> love >> Dan >> >> >> www.iamdanielharris.com >> > > > > -- > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > (807) 251-3376 > --0015173ff2d440e3a104b49f3f9e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I was there in 2010 -- insanity. But if we were able to find a coffee= shop or if anyone on this list is based in Austin and could host a house-s= howcase, that'd be great. Anyone on here based down in Austin, = TX? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jean-Paul D= e Roover <j.d= e.roover@gmail.com> wrote: I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea t= hough. What are the costs involved?= On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel= <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote: Hey Hey Hey! Is anyone planning on h= eading down to SXSW in March? I'm definitely going and was thin= king it'd be pretty swell if we could setup a Looper's Delight show= case. Thoughts? love Dan www.iamdanielharris.com -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoov= er.com (807) 251-3376 --0015173ff2d440e3a104b49f3f9e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 21:03:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80AD1183460; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=1Ez2Lo9AXx/KEqF417y6bSD0abTZ3u/oNRngYmtDVCw=; b=NgiKd6tLC7CIdtRIZH28EGWBM/uQf6PVVWWSY0iG7YuqQAI95t0gF5KFWtZMMZ/2dl Vzm/yGZSAT4opU8h9Ilgg07WwIk2oUw06yNLQZJJe1IM9+i7623BckReW+KCDY7+ede/ 5J7BD6S9ukgN3GVy2UcPXITw0AtX+/LSOrgxA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:02:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SXSW To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64b19a14cd704b4a0821b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:03:07 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d64b19a14cd704b4a0821b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm already going some Canadian dates in March, but count me in for 2013! Also, do you ever venture up into Canada? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM, daniel wrote: > Yeah, I was there in 2010 -- insanity. But if we were able to find a > coffee shop or if anyone on this list is based in Austin and could host a > house-showcase, that'd be great. > > Anyone on here based down in Austin, TX? > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover < > j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea >> though. What are the costs involved? >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel wrote: >> >>> Hey Hey Hey! >>> >>> Is anyone planning on heading down to SXSW in March? >>> >>> I'm definitely going and was thinking it'd be pretty swell if we could >>> setup a Looper's Delight showcase. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> >>> love >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> www.iamdanielharris.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jean-Paul De Roover >> www.jeanpaulderoover.com >> (807) 251-3376 >> > > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --0016e6d64b19a14cd704b4a0821b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm already going some Canadian dates in March, but count me in for 201= 3! Also, do you ever venture up into Canada? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.= org> wrote: Yeah, I was there in 2010 -- insanity. But i= f we were able to find a coffee shop or if anyone on this list is based in = Austin and could host a house-showcase, that'd be great. Anyone on here based down in Austin, TX? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jean-Paul D= e Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote: I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea t= hough. What are the costs involved? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink= .org> wrote: Hey Hey Hey! Is anyone planning on h= eading down to SXSW in March? I'm definitely going and was thin= king it'd be pretty swell if we could setup a Looper's Delight show= case. Thoughts? love Dan www.iamdanielharris.com <= font color=3D"#888888">-- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 -- = Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --0016e6d64b19a14cd704b4a0821b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 21:13:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56B9018345E; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jod5lBStXqhYh15pwCbpttxBfED4sgDPtQAtQx51ouA=; b=e8b9ihoS2/f+piQ+GptJNqOJyEqLO3QAI2trhm3XFZgmRNzrU4iTVBb9tvBhShzPmw yOSmUUM/WPfD1tT7q9BlDqMAtVck8lU7wnh/g9m3hB4pHpYMKE6ujpCmrHPWArtBEvuV QTenG/EXF0pvHV5jaxSveMQXraMF3gynbAoqg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:13:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: R7WY8tmzJU-SFD61dvxE8gGVG6Q Message-ID: Subject: Re: SXSW From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444e9f1e9d69704b4a0a62f Resent-Message-ID: <_0Eqh.A.8x.rvk8OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:13:16 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444e9f1e9d69704b4a0a62f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i haven't in a while, but i'd love a good excuse! where abouts are you? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > I'm already going some Canadian dates in March, but count me in for 2013! > > Also, do you ever venture up into Canada? > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM, daniel wrote: > >> Yeah, I was there in 2010 -- insanity. But if we were able to find a >> coffee shop or if anyone on this list is based in Austin and could host a >> house-showcase, that'd be great. >> >> Anyone on here based down in Austin, TX? >> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover < >> j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea >>> though. What are the costs involved? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Hey Hey! >>>> >>>> Is anyone planning on heading down to SXSW in March? >>>> >>>> I'm definitely going and was thinking it'd be pretty swell if we could >>>> setup a Looper's Delight showcase. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> love >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> www.iamdanielharris.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jean-Paul De Roover >>> www.jeanpaulderoover.com >>> (807) 251-3376 >>> >> >> > > > -- > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > (807) 251-3376 > --f46d0444e9f1e9d69704b4a0a62f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i haven't in a while, but i'd love a good excuse! where abouts are = you?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Je= an-Paul De Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm already going some Canadian dates in= March, but count me in for 2013!

Also, do you ever vent= ure up into Canada?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 a= t 2:32 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
Yeah, I was there in 2010 -- insanity. But i= f we were able to find a coffee shop or if anyone on this list is based in = Austin and could host a house-showcase, that'd be great.

Anyone on here based down in Austin, TX?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jean-Paul D= e Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:
I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea t= hough. What are the costs involved?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink= .org> wrote:

Hey Hey Hey!

Is anyone planning on h= eading down to SXSW in March?

I'm definitely going and was thin= king it'd be pretty swell if we could setup a Looper's Delight show= case.

Thoughts?

love
Dan

www.iamdanielharris.com

<= font color=3D"#888888">--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

--
= Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

--f46d0444e9f1e9d69704b4a0a62f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 21:15:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D27D18345C; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 382839.11356.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=zTnxefsIBv2F9mhEI7UBl8wcSS7eelAYFPCBloQQyPmUjqKAn4uf+ZBrXxyol6hZiU6BKi52+i8BIWLS99WNy/nwyESaTvTBW6P/jZB1jGcCR/pCj7fNDO+8twuGuhO4A0GNmtuo/ncllEFl87HoBQ6YNLRCdZIKuWteSWjygGU= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1324502134; bh=DU4VzBnQMGKYKv6luOJxTE/HT99Wo9OZSklG25oO73E=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=Na3xppiEBmitTyLJ/SyLk1GxcrLz/VuJuJpaFmWxxBsUlvrALJx5XLz65Q3As8RXUAYXLpYwHfLfS7Y84lkacLtp7C2RCvb06BAOxEvEZVx/qIdprYbaWY78YygIvTfFoAB6ysStHJhtJSvB0FdNpoEnmXdML7LINL0fC8eQ9Ew= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: OX.XUMQVM1nBCV2Nolo9o13T2gl6V0IJnBxw7lE7Zni0niJ BVe2uIvMm4wvkQ4NE2mNRRyhb8OX09MbGl3p6kcAHec9fGLUR08o1lLeW2WD 1Cqm7bdA1t1H93MzZ_zAjZlEZGa8Ll.WokqXlsGUqaeqXnaGCspqW3nvS.K5 M4lAhYhPC5ItJEE1Ljt_1nmekuKcXmEdrTaykMYKJ3Cvpg1k362P3TfvxlzT 4QMwfDGa2REHE8bTdIeX_OVVfNLOfqe8ktLhusQT6uzeege4amMqFc5VGaLs OhQ.Fncph991UMAp6fcVwNKTJqdYPW_5yBhloo8jFNZsLc3P5MHnqm.2FHXL e_3aFcM6wKOWzTKCQnaWzto779HlXuStvuBUSEjE_Yt0f_ZYmoZ.sKqmzXxo 55K.hRnA9CeI2x_ySaZT06k_0CWUOqCvXSr.dwql5y37oFRhdplzo.WrmUr1 quPPzyL2px64aeANgkmEX6.qzL2br2A69_4G1cptd94h_CtHQv1s1hzEzmLL 1JufKbFEKsFn9bEiBDwBpZHOfk9a0LdLW2MxDJMlpx7qTj91IrcEk6Fe6HDn dDeOOdRZ.W1foe9Y9RRgqkTM0gcuca7NA1bar.pP1zYA7mDDbqW0oULmxrIb tXNWAY7RRuMiZVZ6AThpbdL76oi5kG_ZeeqRzQIgN0eGDklkjFhGopMyOMpz Gtnh4tlnxYId7XKcz_A-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk From: Matt Stevens Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-450061986 Subject: Merry Christmas Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:15:29 +0000 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:15:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-450061986 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some christmas loopage action :) http://mattstevens.bandcamp.com/releases Merry Christmas guys, hope to see you at a loop festival soon :) Here is to an amazing 2012 :) Best Matt Stevens http://www.fierceandthedead.com http://www.mattstevensguitar.com http://www.spencerparkmusic.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-2-450061986 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Some christmas loopage action :)

http://mattstevens.bandcamp.com/releases

Merry Christmas guys, hope to see you at a loop festival soon :)

Here is to an amazing 2012 :)

Best

Matt Stevens

http://www.fierceandthedead.com
http://www.mattstevensguitar.com
http://www.spencerparkmusic.com
mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com

--Apple-Mail-2-450061986-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 21:54:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7859818345E; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=tslpoS0LGxgxLn3pV2jfuohv5bxvN5T2WW5k+hkHXUI=; b=N6ef+70LB6mg0tPT9Jwgxia4FzATONfri1c12K0LB8RBX3iI7TyNorVK/1UPXTB2kR OrHw5QjT+7trxYVwt33SR3lCaqVDRqHUFS+8dM5kYXvFDMYx3dqEqqL0X+8ZzApu89Ff C03KG4MDBprK3T5uBHYA0Zr+6dxu16WnmqYjQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:54:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SXSW To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdf14ea5f8504b4a1393d Resent-Message-ID: <5yo6eD.A.vjB.OWl8OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:54:22 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043bdf14ea5f8504b4a1393d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm in Thunder Bay, ON (about 7 hours north of Minneapolis, MN). However, I tour A LOT, so I generally get out to either coast at least once a year. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM, daniel wrote: > i haven't in a while, but i'd love a good excuse! where abouts are you? > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover < > j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm already going some Canadian dates in March, but count me in for 2013! >> >> Also, do you ever venture up into Canada? >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM, daniel wrote: >> >>> Yeah, I was there in 2010 -- insanity. But if we were able to find a >>> coffee shop or if anyone on this list is based in Austin and could host a >>> house-showcase, that'd be great. >>> >>> Anyone on here based down in Austin, TX? >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover < >>> j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea >>>> though. What are the costs involved? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Hey Hey! >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone planning on heading down to SXSW in March? >>>>> >>>>> I'm definitely going and was thinking it'd be pretty swell if we could >>>>> setup a Looper's Delight showcase. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> love >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> www.iamdanielharris.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jean-Paul De Roover >>>> www.jeanpaulderoover.com >>>> (807) 251-3376 >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jean-Paul De Roover >> www.jeanpaulderoover.com >> (807) 251-3376 >> > > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --f46d043bdf14ea5f8504b4a1393d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in Thunder Bay, ON (about 7 hours north of Minneapolis, MN). Howeve= r, I tour A LOT, so I generally get out to either coast at least once a yea= r.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM, danie= l <daniel@= ithinkwethink.org> wrote:

i haven't in a while, but i'd love a= good excuse! where abouts are you?
<= br>
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Jean-Paul De Ro= over <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm already going some Canadian dates in= March, but count me in for 2013!

Also, do you ever vent= ure up into Canada?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM, da= niel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:

Yeah, I was there in 2010 -- insanity. But i= f we were able to find a coffee shop or if anyone on this list is based in = Austin and could host a house-showcase, that'd be great.

Anyone on here based down in Austin, TX?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jean-Paul D= e Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:
I went last year, and it's a zoo. That sounds like a really cool idea t= hough. What are the costs involved?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink= .org> wrote:

Hey Hey Hey!

Is anyone planning on h= eading down to SXSW in March?

I'm definitely going and was thin= king it'd be pretty swell if we could setup a Looper's Delight show= case.

Thoughts?

love
Dan

www.iamdanielharris.com

<= font color=3D"#888888">--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

--
= Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

--
= Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376
--f46d043bdf14ea5f8504b4a1393d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 10:57:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95DF118345E; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CGqVRlInOtvA0pfg2EoPIJsUZiOA3OYf5wy2/idEVQU=; b=gg63BKv55z2qI9kuMlvSlOscRC9x+NgYkctBAfen6VZKts11U30a1qWub1WfyAuWbw G/WCyQiRlM0A3FAzASnMa0RN1kZ4PfHRKj2NfbPXYuVm6nBRfJL/hn3Vi3tzfyWJjSxB rAyh3y8YeWN68QOqY1yJ2uhhDwpJ14d0k9S9M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EF21226.6080700@post.cybercity.dk> References: <4EE91262.30309@cruzio.com> <4EEA3D66.4050905@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB1268.20706@tiscali.co.uk> <525F06F3-BB19-438B-B9FE-66F404C33D85@earthlink.net> <4EEB54DE.3080908@tiscali.co.uk> <4EEB7CAE.2060009@post.cybercity.dk> <4EEB7D9A.4090105@googlemail.com> <1324482169.36846.YahooMailNeo@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EF21226.6080700@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:57:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: 24Bit/96Khz vs 16Bit/ 44.1Khz recording From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340623a3d2ed04b4ac2b99 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:57:47 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340623a3d2ed04b4ac2b99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds really not nice... I am using Olympus LS-10, has anyone noticed any glitches with that? I can really recommend that unit, though I am not the audiophile in any way, so my judgement may not be the most professional :-) But with digital recorders, its always hard with the peaks.... -Petri- 2011/12/21 van Sinn > Is it possible your Tascam (which I don't know) has ill calibrated inputs, > so when you set it for -6dB recording, you're actually closer to the max? > > How about simply using a soft-knee limiter as a gentle lid on the top > peaks? > > /van > > > Paul Richards wrote: > >> Thanks for all the very interesting information. I opted for the >> 24Bit/44Khz setting on the Tascam DR-2d. I have to say, though, that this >> unit is the most twitchy portable digital recorder I've used as far as >> getting good recording levels. I 'think' I finally have a setting that >> works (and I'm using the "safety" track Dual Record at -6 dB lower). I >> thought I 'still' noticed an artifact or two where my guitar sent the level >> too high for a brief period. I'm close to returning the unit frankly as I >> never had issues with any of the Zoom recordings like this unit. >> Regards, Paul >> > > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340623a3d2ed04b4ac2b99 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds really not nice...

I am using Olympus LS-10, has anyone notic= ed any glitches with that?
I can really recommend that unit, though I am= not the audiophile in any way, so my judgement may not be
the most pro= fessional :-)

But with digital recorders, its always hard with the peaks....

-= Petri-

2011/12/21 van Sinn <vansinn@post.cybercity= .dk>

Is it possible your Tascam (which I don'= t know) has ill calibrated inputs, so when you set it for -6dB recording, y= ou're actually closer to the max?

How about simply using a soft-knee limiter as a gentle lid on the top peaks= ?

/van

Paul Richards wrote:

Thanks for all the very interesting information. I opted for the 24Bit/44Kh= z setting on the Tascam DR-2d. I have to say, though, that this unit is the= most twitchy portable digital recorder I've used as far as getting goo= d recording levels. I 'think' I finally have a setting that works (= and I'm using the "safety" track Dual Record at -6 dB lower).= I thought I 'still' noticed an artifact or two where my guitar sen= t the level too high for a brief period. I'm close to returning the uni= t frankly as I never had issues with any of the Zoom recordings like this u= nit.
=A0Regards, Paul

--
rgds,
van Sinn

--
Petri Lah= tinen

--14dae9340623a3d2ed04b4ac2b99-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 11:09:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7C2018345F; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uGpMiFNs2TYGVLutmkgxK3XXfuuP0KUDvuKxnpnOeyc=; b=XyaHmXJFFns3bVszrI6jRF5S7ATqmldRB4YIACVd/LclH9ArKWc9hEWAnlRiwfVl/r Gs+OmcihyqTx6opzSt+q0zsEWvJx3O/T6vQoBl5TrdjxmI+jPrINUt+F5OnycMKPd49i bdd9apqHTTIfeYxQtnfcboc4ElG+tUieepM1o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:09:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Merry Christmas From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340c59185eb604b4ac54d3 Resent-Message-ID: <8ImAMC.A.-mC.R_w8OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:09:06 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340c59185eb604b4ac54d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Matt - been fearing you abandoned this list altogether... well, being a rock star has its disadvantages :-P This Silent night really turns out really nice, after a shockingly "normal" start... :-) Merry Christmas and happy new year 2012 to you Matt too! Thanks for every mention in the Twitter and comments during these couple of years. You are my hero of the digital world's DIY-musician, example for all of us, how you can achieve your goals, if your material is good and you have the guts to work and promote on it. All the best to you and the family! -Petri- 2011/12/21 Matt Stevens > Some christmas loopage action :) > > http://mattstevens.bandcamp.com/releases > > Merry Christmas guys, hope to see you at a loop festival soon :) > > Here is to an amazing 2012 :) > > Best > > Matt Stevens > http://www.fierceandthedead.com > http://www.mattstevensguitar.com > http://www.spencerparkmusic.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340c59185eb604b4ac54d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Matt - been fearing you abandoned this list altogether...
well, b= eing a rock star has its disadvantages :-P

This Silent night really = turns out really nice, after a shockingly "normal" start... :-)
Merry Christmas and happy new year 2012 to you Matt too!
Thanks for = every mention in the Twitter and comments during these couple of years.
= You are my hero of the digital world's DIY-musician, example for all of= us,
how you can achieve your goals, if your material is good and you have the g= uts to work and promote on it.

All the best to you and the family!
-Petri-

2011/12/21 Matt Stevens <matt= stevensguitar@btinternet.com>

Some chr= istmas loopage action :)=A0

http://mattstevens.bandcamp.com/= releases

Merry Christmas guys, hope to see you at a loop festiva= l soon :)=A0

Here is to an amazing 2012 :)=A0

Best=A0

Matt Stevens
http://www.fierceandthedead.com
http://www.mattstevensguitar.com
http://www.sp= encerparkmusic.com
mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com

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Petri Lahtinen

--14dae9340c59185eb604b4ac54d3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 11:11:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67BF518345E; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ny8hhHnKhFE44Rl85WnWK9U4kE2qhL77zGOL0OzIDg8=; b=LUSyoYEsDTHPYE2CSnHp4q/ttD5t2/BK5Um2r1Xqjcif2r+Nbz/Fm3gsltJWttvYJR xhbPK2bpVZqSHl16UfZz91W0LdI3mAKxdBGQEiakVoCe438NQhdOuFeARiYLAxFE5g5W KtCwqrqHk99Am8T6IA68db5LtV2hPo51TPXfc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:11:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: My version of O Holy Night From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934062307442204b4ac5bd6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:11:02 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934062307442204b4ac5bd6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lovely singing! Thanks Jean-Paul! Happy holidays to you too! -Petri- 2011/12/21 Jean-Paul De Roover > Thanks Ted! I hope everything's well in Oregon! > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > >> Really nice J-P. >> >> On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:15 AM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: >> >> > Hey everyone! >> > >> > I've been meaning to record a holiday/Christmas song for several years, >> but I finally had some time to do it! I used to sing in various a cappella >> and barbershop groups, where we did really powerful versions of O Holy >> Night. I'm a looper at heart, but sometimes, other recordings come out that >> aren't heavily loop based (although I do my recordings in Ableton, and the >> bassline/rhythm is looped). >> > >> > My rendition of that holiday classic has a bit more 'flavour' to it >> (although I still want to do a really vocal heavy version!), with some >> salsa/latin/reggae sounds in there. I grew up in South America, so it's >> about time that those influences poked their heads out. It's a home >> recording, but still a good enough recording to play for the family at >> Christmas dinner! >> > >> > You can listen to it on my website www.jeanpaulderoover.com, where you >> can also download it for free. >> > >> > Happy holidays to all my fellow loopers! >> > >> > -- >> > Jean-Paul De Roover >> > www.jeanpaulderoover.com >> > (807) 251-3376 >> >> > > > -- > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > (807) 251-3376 > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae934062307442204b4ac5bd6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lovely singing!

Thanks Jean-Paul!

Happy holidays to you too!<= br>
-Petri-

2011/12/21 Jean-Paul De Ro= over <j.de.ro= over@gmail.com>

Thanks Ted! I hope everything's well in = Oregon!

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net= > wrote:

Really nice J-P.

On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:15 AM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote:

> Hey everyone!
>
> I've been meaning to record a holiday/Christmas song for several y= ears, but I finally had some time to do it! I used to sing in various a cap= pella and barbershop groups, where we did really powerful versions of O Hol= y Night. I'm a looper at heart, but sometimes, other recordings come ou= t that aren't heavily loop based (although I do my recordings in Ableto= n, and the bassline/rhythm is looped).
>
> My rendition of that holiday classic has a bit more 'flavour' = to it (although I still want to do a really vocal heavy version!), with som= e salsa/latin/reggae sounds in there. I grew up in South America, so it'= ;s about time that those influences poked their heads out. It's a home = recording, but still a good enough recording to play for the family at Chri= stmas dinner!
>
> You can listen to it on my website www.jeanpaulderoover.com, where you can also= download it for free.
>
> Happy holidays to all my fellow loopers!
>
> --
> Jean-Paul De Roover
> www.jean= paulderoover.com
> (807) 251-3376

--
= Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

--
Petri Lahti= nen

--14dae934062307442204b4ac5bd6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 16:50:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C14B18345E; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-762-520581323 Subject: Re: SXSW Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:50:48 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References:

Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:50:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-762-520581323 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > I'm in Thunder Bay, ON (about 7 hours north of Minneapolis, MN). = However, I tour A LOT, so I generally get out to either coast at least = once a year. Thunder Bay Loopfest? I don't know whether it would be better to do it in mid-winter or = mid-summer, however. And you would need to advise everyone on how best to get to Thunder = Bay... Mark --Apple-Mail-762-520581323 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'm in = Thunder Bay, ON (about 7 hours north of Minneapolis, MN). However, I = tour A LOT, so I generally get out to either coast at least once a = year.

Thunder Bay = Loopfest?

I don't know whether it would be = better to do it in mid-winter or mid-summer, = however.

And you would need to advise everyone = on how best to get to Thunder = Bay...

Mark

= --Apple-Mail-762-520581323-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 19:36:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2102C183466; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EF386A1.1050002@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:36:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:36:16 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Aurora" on Poundsounds. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#dec Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 19:55:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 407E9183466; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CVsQCy1XRLaf37lUrN06i77cs/3j7cg3AFJ/10CS8ac=; b=uREcCe7NcvUQaxK9sYqLA7p/h9xLTTAZienqTOh358K9gkrpF57VS3PBTXfOgtdMl1 K1W2RyG6DnmZY4kiwWIH2L6EzqOQdbbaC+z+V0ptXX4ZlqLKfP/QeGNeaMIIXbBubber O8BkZOcKIBqMxTib+cs5/T58kg6XwnLgcjM5o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:55:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Questions from a newbie From: georg hartmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec517c42a503e1c04b4b3afaf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:55:41 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec517c42a503e1c04b4b3afaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello everybody, since a long time I listen to music like Dub FX or Mr. Woodnote. Now I decided to try it myself. I installed Sooperlooper and Rakarrack, now I have two more questions left: - I need a good microphone (I use a headset at the moment), does anyone have any tips? - second: are there any good exercises to do? Or is there a piece of music with notes so I could practice it? Thanks in advance, Georg Hartmann --bcaec517c42a503e1c04b4b3afaf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hello everybody,

since a long time I listen to music like Dub FX or Mr. Woodnote. Now I decided to try it myself.

I installed Sooperlooper and Rakarrack, now I have two more questions left:

- I need a good microphone (I use a headset at the moment), does anyone have any tips?

- second: are there any good exercises to do? Or is there a piece of music with notes so I could practice it?

Thanks in advance,

Georg Hartmann

--bcaec517c42a503e1c04b4b3afaf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 20:13:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D36DE183464; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: Subject: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:13:34 -0500 Message-ID: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04A8_01CCC0BC.45FDD730" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AczA5it3mBBrARvzR9Kv/3NpywV7Mg== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111221-2, 12/21/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:13:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04A8_01CCC0BC.45FDD730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There seems to be a lot of "O Holy Night" renditions going around here on LD, so I thought I'd throw my effort into the ring. Two years ago I bought Garritan Personal Orchestra and needed to choose a song to orchestrate, so I chose this. Essentially the arrangement is a conglomeration of different arrangements I've heard over the years. This effort may be a little short on instrument dynamics (I had little idea of how to do that back then), but I think it's not bad for a first effort. Enjoy. http://tinyurl.com/c88en7w ------=_NextPart_000_04A8_01CCC0BC.45FDD730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There = seems to be a lot of “O Holy Night” renditions going around = here on LD, so I thought I’d throw my effort into the = ring.

Two years ago I bought Garritan Personal Orchestra and = needed to choose a song to orchestrate, so I chose this. Essentially the = arrangement is a conglomeration of different arrangements I’ve = heard over the years.

This effort = may be a little short on instrument dynamics (I had little idea of how = to do that back then), but I think it’s not bad for a first = effort.

Enjoy.

http://tinyurl.com/c88en7w

<= /html> ------=_NextPart_000_04A8_01CCC0BC.45FDD730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 20:19:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CEAB183478; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LYrxYN9g7Od+eAipRxnvez9OgX4OyibyTMhExwLVypY=; b=vrdP9jxdCZOVPAihv3BNnymMT5whc+dEUKv700FrsKkeM6bzpSyGqVegRgpHWqB8S1 b2sXK2Wy3cbBdC9Nuc2cUp3RFbnlD92BOOFEdVFmN2YvZ5I6yZ5fP4GW6V68i6+tb1jK afOw/uCWt7G3lOjwJqcYbv0jvsulhDGZou7mQ= Message-ID: <4EF390C2.4030904@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:19:14 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night etc. References: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ZYuDC.A.KEC.CD58OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:19:14 +0000 (UTC) BC schrieb: > > There seems to be a lot of �O Holy Night� renditions going around here > on LD, so I thought I�d throw my effort into the ring. > I'm somewhat curious: why do all people stick to tunes by such composers as Adolphe Adam, Mykola Leontovich or Franz Xaver Gruber when there's a huge repertoire by all the Bachs, Praetoriusses, Bruckners and so on? Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 20:44:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11EA418347A; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:44:36 UTC From: "BC" To: References: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> <4EF390C2.4030904@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EF390C2.4030904@googlemail.com> Subject: RE: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night etc. Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:36:28 -0500 Message-ID: <04af01ccc0e9$62218a60$26649f20$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFnuR8nAOT6nUP2QP+5fCnP22OrVgHtw+5JlqLx49A= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111221-2, 12/21/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Familiarity and associations with fond memories, I'm sure. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Straschill [mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night etc. BC schrieb: > > There seems to be a lot of "O Holy Night" renditions going around here > on LD, so I thought I'd throw my effort into the ring. > I'm somewhat curious: why do all people stick to tunes by such composers as Adolphe Adam, Mykola Leontovich or Franz Xaver Gruber when there's a huge repertoire by all the Bachs, Praetoriusses, Bruckners and so on? Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 20:48:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 561D218347A; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:48:27 UTC From: "BC" To: References: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> <4EF390C2.4030904@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EF390C2.4030904@googlemail.com> Subject: RE: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night etc. Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: <04b001ccc0e9$e9ab6aa0$bd023fe0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFnuR8nAOT6nUP2QP+5fCnP22OrVgHtw+5JlqLyyoA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111221-2, 12/21/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:48:28 +0000 (UTC) By the way, I'm very amused by your question because I had "Es Ist Ein Ros Entsprungen" playing in the background as I was reading your message! Brian -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Straschill [mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night etc. BC schrieb: > > There seems to be a lot of "O Holy Night" renditions going around here > on LD, so I thought I'd throw my effort into the ring. > I'm somewhat curious: why do all people stick to tunes by such composers as Adolphe Adam, Mykola Leontovich or Franz Xaver Gruber when there's a huge repertoire by all the Bachs, Praetoriusses, Bruckners and so on? Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 21:14:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C01E18348E; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night In-Reply-To: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE8F05CC13B1BF_262C_134C2_webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE8F05CC056955-262C-5A6D@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.128.223] Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:14:16 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1324588457; bh=kJpk0RuimzzTV379YNLnaPx/Hutz+N88grH6ok7LCSg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=piPyiZk2PWTpvW9ib4tmSfz/LpbX8+soSjxPl815TCZQbaqXrrFHhSv2jry27KyHP Th7dRe70VW2jBUO4kZp0qhpPKqhe20fdXNyE/RRgfCImE6WUVBANnvpJ1bw7L9asx0 AhTd8zGEzpCKjmJOPSopK27jbivibppGboMIkQKA= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:315567936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4ef39da83cb6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:14:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE8F05CC13B1BF_262C_134C2_webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" luv it! =20 http://tinyurl.com/c88en7w =20 ----------MB_8CE8F05CC13B1BF_262C_134C2_webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" luv it!

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----------MB_8CE8F05CC13B1BF_262C_134C2_webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 22:37:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B14BE18348E; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 855878.24334.bm@omp1025.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1324593460; bh=C0QB/DR2ay68Zon2dClKRqPGFz7tBymhowZLUSW9rJE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i4XzwVBCuvC1V88hT6zuMhcq6Px7GMo5mGJAgOBXh45aKaKQLrZXSsZ7CcteAOpj0E2elnR7HWLfgDN70IXGA0qBfU98yDJ0D5XMjX2LV5ti96hkCA771wLEVU5jFIut9gaDbfzbF/lKh/RLdFQXVOX4E+4TzeX0g/eteUckJXo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o1qsq+CauRvITvWVoyBmeTHkIDcUJFSaP8Bbnzl8cpLdIATUHatIaCnBqETLUHLT5XEn8uD/lv6qlHKRl6H+WVEBGDwtDP6g2iKW50ZiwsO9QyjqkfxPxsHJLOVXnIEpnfMAh3rtjHafWbXdhRC4k1+PRErmvHcRUlQkvRoY3kg=; X-YMail-OSG: rLCNI0cVM1lSiJjRmRl0VjNdKWeguzvryfNFhnBuFEP72vY AVwvdoo9fs9iBwiW_spzpN9Cir2TVoqvwgSblAyaEJ9W.L70zaK_rbAjB6vf vI3htFTqkzjTOdlY7GoSbdXTq0yKKNeD2QYkvGHvP4EGFnTTiXcbHUWboaD2 qs.8lIdTvE6PNIwkdcCDRRmncyq4C3Rhw3GiZZpj0838TQpismzINX5B26Zp 421F_rGJwJTKddJleU_z9GL0LbUzJxN09ayygcLzI_U17qF0MWhcUiB7ywdE S82f0xAszWSWLtazhmQ3LeyuP2P87MA2DsCVsq4LKi2d5eEHK5UfLPXeB3YK ppCbLM9Idbc9Btr3abyK7TAXVDKcxrc5TFiPrJTFUYtCAWBAg2KtnMxOZ1E3 .NlADyHpstUBp7_vBxf8btf51LOn9yqQihhBR3mO2fMQ7Eb3Jp7L714lQVi_ s4oOM2cNqar.0MHNTV4fJzON0YHzxUGf5huFeEpg17kAPCYg46MCzfBoQjS3 yLcDLP_umU8eDEWkiXmNmxymHh0dlxbmxDFhPSRz4yUq7j9948pR764WuYmu jEWY_ncs2Okmu0es3VASnzDIrX7v0cQZF95t1zAu4XyXXKd4ANEcvI_3SuEV ovCdjW_hbon1Ao3M8rgBCbiKC13AEpzhT6zgGjd05maN7lXMU95BGYzQVfc8 oqgKRzTF7c6Sm3TxWvmFJOC9yRa2Mk3khYzfLBUFQfJiWbKn9sYuirnrxCPM Rcbm8LS4EuxQIcpW4B1sEWx5ooU.hCLclWS8TBae56eFnSXzE1THVBinVxrm aOjgC_D7_O4Q3n.OEF5qb8s2.L1KnyvqPpNTc9FM7WlPNNzYdZBEOCtVEP2E cypmE2sUeBRkLuE_zloBQNiztGV9E93sssX1U_nms0DgditAb_z6kQa20ii1 UW_JmF1gBAec0GlV_QvRdicY6qnhEcpY- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: Message-ID: <1324593460.47949.YahooMailNeo@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:37:40 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Uccello Reply-To: Steve Uccello Subject: Re: Merry Christmas/My version of O Holy Night & Bowed Bass Come O Come Emmanuel To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1206011839-522678633-1324593460=:47949" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:37:42 +0000 (UTC) ---1206011839-522678633-1324593460=:47949 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds cool Matt and Jean-Paul! innovative arrangements and cool performanc= es! here's a little bowed bass looping I did live at a Christmas show last = week- "Come O Come Emmanuel" free download-hope you enjoy it=0A-happy holid= ays everyone (which ever one you happen to celebrate!)=A0=0ASteve Uccello= =0A=0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/uccello_project/come-o-come-emmanuel-live-12=0A= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Matt Stevens =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: = Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:15 PM=0ASubject: Merry Christmas=0A =0A=0ASo= me christmas loopage action :)=A0=0A=0Ahttp://mattstevens.bandcamp.com/rele= ases=0A=0A=0AMerry Christmas guys, hope to see you at a loop festival soon = :)=A0=0A=0AHere is to an amazing 2012 :)=A0=0A=0ABest=A0=0A=0A=0AMatt Steve= ns=0Ahttp://www.fierceandthedead.com=0Ahttp://www.mattstevensguitar.com=0Ah= ttp://www.spencerparkmusic.com=0Amattstevensguitar@btinternet.com=0A=0AHey = everyone!=0A=0AI've been meaning to record a holiday/Christmas song for sev= eral years, but I finally had some time to do it! I used to sing in various= a cappella and barbershop groups, where we did really powerful versions of= O Holy Night. I'm a looper at heart, but sometimes, other recordings come = out that aren't heavily loop based (although I do my recordings in Ableton,= and the bassline/rhythm is looped).=0A=0AMy rendition of that holiday clas= sic has a bit more 'flavour' to it (although I still want to do a really vo= cal heavy version!), with some salsa/latin/reggae sounds in there. I grew u= p in South America, so it's about time that those influences poked their he= ads out. It's a home recording, but still a good enough recording to play f= or the family at Christmas dinner!=0A=0AYou can listen to it on my website= =A0www.jeanpaulderoover.com, where you can also download it for free.=A0=0A= =0AHappy holidays to all my fellow loopers!=0A=0A--=A0=0AJean-Paul De Roove= r=0Awww.jeanpaulderoover.com=0A(807) 251-3376 ---1206011839-522678633-1324593460=:47949 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sounds cool Matt and = Jean-Paul! innovative arrangements and cool performances! here's a little b= owed bass looping I did live at a Christmas show last week- "Come O Come Em= manuel" free download-hope you enjoy it

-happy holid= ays everyone (which ever one you happen to celebrate!)

Steve Uccello

h= ttp://soundcloud.com/uccello_project/come-o-come-emmanuel-live-12

From: Mat= t Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
Sent: Wednesday= , December 21, 2011 1:15 PM
Subje= ct: Merry Christmas

=0A

Some christmas loopage action :)

http://mattstevens.bandcamp.com/releases

Merry= Christmas guys, hope to see you at a loop festival soon :)

Here is to an amazing 2012 :)

Best

=0A

Mat= t Stevens

http://www.fierceandthe= dead.com
http://www.mattstevensguitar.com
http://www.spencerparkmusic= .com
mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com

Hey everyone!

I've been meaning to = record a holiday/Christmas song for several years, but I finally had some t= ime to do it! I used to sing in various a cappella and barbershop groups, w= here we did really powerful versions of O Holy Night. I'm a looper at heart= , but sometimes, other recordings come out that aren't heavily loop based (= although I do my recordings in Ableton, and the bassline/rhythm is looped).=

My rendition of that holiday classic has a bit more 'fl= avour' to it (although I still want to do a really vocal heavy version!), with some salsa/latin/reggae sounds in = there. I grew up in South America, so it's about time that those influences= poked their heads out. It's a home recording, but still a good enough reco= rding to play for the family at Christmas dinner!

= You can listen to it on my website www.jeanpaulderoover.com, where you can also download it for f= ree.

Happy holidays to all my fellow loopers!

--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

=0A

---1206011839-522678633-1324593460=:47949-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 01:29:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6809183490; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PEf4+JCfpIK3X0a1aMb1RzgqfhWb84dTSLgpV9bLg28= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=G9SgqR4un4Pl7IavIVEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=MhMAGYiWwXb9gvWd70oA:9 a=t3DWCGH5XlQpuA--IncA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 99.199.170.224 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-551679733 Subject: Maschine Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:29:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <77DBC898-D987-41DA-BD2C-E6F9DF3C5A7A@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:29:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-551679733 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone used Maschine? What do you think? Initially I was going to = get it just so I could have drum pads again, but the more I learn about = it, the more interesting it seems. Haven't bought it yet, thought I'd = check. I don't think I heard much from the group about it. If so, let = me know and I'll go wander the archives and save you the effort of = repeating old news. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-4-551679733 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Has = anyone used Maschine? What do you think? Initially I was = going to get it just so I could have drum pads again, but the more I = learn about it, the more interesting it seems. Haven't bought it = yet, thought I'd check. I don't think I heard much from the group = about it. If so, let me know and I'll go wander the archives and = save you the effort of repeating old news.

richard sales

www.glasswing.com

www.richardsales.com

www.hayleysales.com

= --Apple-Mail-4-551679733-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 09:10:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D366183495; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=R14AsAlRvfiCWYyIEEWkyVdXtk00W+1Owz9i3fI2DN0=; b=G05yg1H8Q9eUFMYrfjxlpCHGjPI6c4TVgdR1yfc+vv6CgJ4hrQkMEssjKxI29x1Lv6 P5hhtnHuCHVQOibbRSPsGh/Syjhr6g6MhH+23vKed+MkwlloEsLSH0ghB016YGnUgQGj Xk8f6uYH9hryoTZMl8LCZlrxNvxSih8xI6j98= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111221041413.452E684ABC@server01.gorrie.wightman.ca> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:10:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Interfaces From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340c59bd92e704b4bec9ea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:10:29 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340c59bd92e704b4bec9ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Keith!! 2011/12/21 Keith Smith > Much the same, here. It replaced an aging Firepod. I do find the Motu > drivers can be a bit fussy on Windows, but the gear sounds great. > Having said that, I should add that the most trouble I had was getting an > old 2408Mk3 to run on Win7/64, but with the latest drivers it's all good > now. > I've used the 8pre both as interface for my Laptop(XP on DellE6400) and t= o > feed Adat to a 1st generation Traveller on the same machine. No issues, > though I do find the DSP prog a bit cluttzy. > It also gets used to send Adat to the 2408 on my Win7 Desktop. > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Petri Lahtinen < > kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Paul! >> >> >> 2011/12/19 paul >> >>> I have the motu 8pre and love it. I've used both as a my interface for >>> the computer and on occasion as a mic pre out on the adat to my mixing >>> board to pick up 8 more channels. I haven't had any issues with it at a= ll. >>> >>> Paul Haslem >>> www.dulcify.ca >>> Ontario, Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 02:10 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote: >>> >>> Would really apperciate feedback on these... >>> >>> maudio http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html >>> motu http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html >>> >>> Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! >>> Questions? Answers! (Focus) :-) >>> >>> -- >>> Petri Lahtinen >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Petri Lahtinen >> >> >> > > > -- > Keith Smith -Guitar > > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca > Photography - www.mymountains.ca > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --14dae9340c59bd92e704b4bec9ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Keith!!

2011/12/21 Keith Smith <kahsmith@gmail.com= >

Much the same, here. It replaced an aging Firepod. I do find the Motu drive= rs can be a bit fussy on Windows, but the gear sounds great.
Having said= that, I should add that the most trouble I had was getting an old 2408Mk3 = to run on Win7/64, but with the latest drivers it's all good now.
I've used the 8pre both as interface for my Laptop(XP on DellE6400) and= to feed Adat to a 1st generation Traveller on the same machine. No issues,= though I do find the DSP prog a bit cluttzy.
It also gets used to send = Adat to the 2408 on my Win7 Desktop.

=A0

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Pet= ri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Paul!

2011/12/19 paul <phaslem@wightman.ca>

I have the motu 8pre and love it. I've used both as a my interface for the computer and on occasion as a mic pre out on the adat to my mixing board to pick up 8 more channels. I haven't had any issues with it at all.

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca
Ontario, Canada

At 02:10 AM 12/20/2011, you wrote:

Would really apperciate feedback on these...

maudio http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html
motu http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/i-o.html

Does anyone on the list have these? Experiences, Answers? Questions! Questions? Answers!=A0 (Focus)=A0 :-)

--
Petri Lahtinen

--
Petri Lahtinen

--
Keith Smith -Guitar
Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
Photography - www.m= ymountains.ca

--
Petri Lah= tinen

--14dae9340c59bd92e704b4bec9ea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 15:35:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 544B2183494; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:34:59 UTC From: "BC" To: References: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> <8CE8F05CC056955-262C-5A6D@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CE8F05CC056955-262C-5A6D@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com> Subject: RE: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: <009901ccc187$491d8980$db589c80$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CCC15D.60478180" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFnuR8nAOT6nUP2QP+5fCnP22OrVgDbnwzblqy/LZA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111222-1, 12/22/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <4kl5DB.A.vg.k-J9OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:35:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CCC15D.60478180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Michael. The encouragement is appreciated! Brian From: michael klobuchar [mailto:nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night luv it! http://tinyurl.com/c88en7w ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CCC15D.60478180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, Michael. The encouragement is = appreciated!

Brian

From:= = michael klobuchar [mailto:nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, = December 22, 2011 4:14 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT My = orchestration of O Holy Night

l= uv it!

http://tinyurl.com/c88en7w

------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CCC15D.60478180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:12:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B565183495; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_93156b22-b7cc-4ae1-accb-54d667cce309_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: mIDwINTER mEDITATION Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:12:30 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2011 17:12:31.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DFE3340:01CCC196] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:12:32 +0000 (UTC) --_93156b22-b7cc-4ae1-accb-54d667cce309_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://soundcloud.com/...l/midwinter-meditation Where the cold snaps i the night at the stars sparkle against a black sky.. when you stand i the silence a bit longer=2C - long from cities and lightsyou hear the darkness roar.. ...and melodies of peace rumble in your head Time gets engulfed by darkness ... light is ahead.. yet far away.. = --_93156b22-b7cc-4ae1-accb-54d667cce309_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://soundcloud.c= om/...l/midwinter-meditation

Where the cold snaps i the night at the stars sparkle against a black sky..=

when you stand i the silence a bit longer=2C

- long from cities and lights

you hear the darkness roar..

...and melodies of peace rumble in your head

Time gets engulfed by darkness
... light is ahead.. yet far away..<= /span>

= --_93156b22-b7cc-4ae1-accb-54d667cce309_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:27:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A40B18349B; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:38:25 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Photo Essay on Flickr Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Experimental Film Discussion List Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I just posted a new photo essay Railroad Overpass, Medfield MA 12.23.11 at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157628533754333/ When I visit my primary care physician, I pass under an interesting railroad overpass set in an other wise typical suburban neighborhood. I've often thought it would be interesting to photograph. When I visited her yesterday for my annual exam, I had my Lumix LX 3 in my pocket. It was as close to a perfect sky and light as one can hope for,, and here are the results of the shoot. (Next year I'll bring a DSLR with a long lens.) BTW Some of my videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:55:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9F6183492; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=6oUre5BafXFaIBsMYxLiUIFBiEIPzcV9sGHYalu4GP8=; b=YwIy+VcqCOAlkWdqd2HrD510ZUVeLz7G7W+qZqZI8rG849dB+Lqhoxi/cSbtw2E1A1 2cfJxQ/uoz+d2ZUa3iHBIbSo2dCFlbNd4GGUCfTt5As9uRMA3Jyono3aAs1f6iC47atk k4fJNpw612D1Hy1Mce5DKUvsvO3WiIyeTMlX4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:54:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SXSW To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64b19cb2caf04b4c61d11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:55:05 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d64b19cb2caf04b4c61d11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I actually started a quadrennial event called Loopy Leap Year (February 29th for those not following). Mid summer is tough because everyone in Thunder Bay goes out to camps and cottages, so draws are tricky. As for getting to Thunder Bay - depends on how much stuff you have. If you're into flying. Get to Toronto, then you can often find $100 seat sales via Porter to TBay. Otherwise, driving from the US is good, and I'd recommend coming from Minneapolis. Either way, you'll have to drive a lot. On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > > I'm in Thunder Bay, ON (about 7 hours north of Minneapolis, MN). However, > I tour A LOT, so I generally get out to either coast at least once a year. > > > Thunder Bay Loopfest? > > I don't know whether it would be better to do it in mid-winter or > mid-summer, however. > > And you would need to advise everyone on how best to get to Thunder Bay... > > Mark > > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --0016e6d64b19cb2caf04b4c61d11 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I actually started a quadrennial event called Loopy Leap Year (February 29t= h for those not following).=A0

Mid summer is tough becau= se everyone in Thunder Bay goes out to camps and cottages, so draws are tri= cky.=A0

As for getting to Thunder Bay - depends on how much stu= ff you have. If you're into flying. Get to Toronto, then you can often = find $100 seat sales via Porter to TBay. Otherwise, driving from the US is = good, and I'd recommend coming from Minneapolis. Either way, you'll= have to drive a lot.=A0

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hambu= rg <mark@grubmah.c= om> wrote:

On Dec 21, = 2011, at 1:54 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote:

I'm in Thunder Ba= y, ON (about 7 hours north of Minneapolis, MN). However, I tour A LOT, so I= generally get out to either coast at least once a year.

Thunder Bay Loopfest?
I don't know whether it would be better to do it in mid-wi= nter or mid-summer, however.

And you would need to= advise everyone on how best to get to Thunder Bay...

Mark

--
Jean-= Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

--0016e6d64b19cb2caf04b4c61d11-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:59:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1A671834A0; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=33StJSpxH1fZsTQngg6qwEhXmv8G7BYrV6HC/xZJ5to=; b=sJDfl81GNxLP2FJEKD6OA65XP5360EYqFVxWv9A6EELUd/M9MnOeiSo8i5Z9lVdoB7 ypBaSFsdl9NqzBd1C5j8QbzDP3id8wB1Ibw2V//z8ZslxDTntNpFJ/T5gToNCE6QHag+ OX/J3YpVOFR7xAWx7UcVptQPFSLPi6K7X4Y+g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <009901ccc187$491d8980$db589c80$@comcast.net> References: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> <8CE8F05CC056955-262C-5A6D@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com> <009901ccc187$491d8980$db589c80$@comcast.net> From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:59:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747c69620bd1c04b4c62e5d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:59:38 +0000 (UTC) --00151747c69620bd1c04b4c62e5d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds great! Do have any more? On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM, BC wrote: > Thanks, Michael. The encouragement is appreciated!**** > > ** ** > > Brian**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* michael klobuchar [mailto:nemoguitt@aol.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:14 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night**** > > ** ** > > luv it! > > **** > > **** > > http://tinyurl.com/c88en7w**** > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --00151747c69620bd1c04b4c62e5d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds great! Do have any more?

On F= ri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM, BC <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:

Thanks, Michael. The encouragement is apprec= iated!

=A0<= /p>

Brian

=A0<= /p>

=A0

From: michael = klobuchar [mailto:ne= moguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:14 PM
To: Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT My orchestration of O H= oly Night

=A0

luv it!

=

=A0

http://ti= nyurl.com/c88en7w

--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251= -3376

--00151747c69620bd1c04b4c62e5d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 01:42:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08FEB1834A3; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hQLZdSu1KBVdOsgtSrv5ZvO1FeJF70gmfJMkDjhUoKo=; b=VWRKdrJitc+6kszZBWcy6mQV52Bfv96EfRrl0tdmK+xibqJbh26CcgLraPB6qnj+XD PIuG40l3kWCQbDQCxJR90CeHdHB0+lDmx3j3df+UCTYlVqzoFAus/6nmmgW7bUirWR5G /V5MH5KBD3XlHF0B8jlMXJ7rCPgE0/5Pntb+E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93407bb78e1be04b4cca46a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:42:13 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93407bb78e1be04b4cca46a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://arteffete.bandcamp.com/ Throughout the year, Ive been adding to it. There are still some pieces to upload and edit, and lots of other ideas to turn into works; but here's what Ive done so far. Feedback welcome/appreciated. Im planning on doing some musical performances with some of my large drip paintings as backdrops in 2012. Take care, Merry Christmas, (etc.) Happy New Year -- If you do not understand the content of this message; you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the condition that you respect mine. Best wishes, Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable intentions from which this signature was created.) --14dae93407bb78e1be04b4cca46a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://arteffete.bandcamp.com/=A0

Throughout the year, Ive been adding to it. There = are still some pieces to upload and edit, and lots of other ideas to turn i= nto works; but here's what Ive done so far.

Feedback welcome/appreciated. Im planning on doing some= musical performances with some of my large drip paintings as backdrops in = 2012.=A0

Take care, Merry Christmas, (etc.) Happy = New Year

--
If you do not understand the content of this message;= you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutua= l understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attention= to the highest degree which is available; I ask you not to take advantage = of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect yo= ur privacy on the condition that you respect mine.

Best wishes, Billy

(I respectfully = ask that you do not copy this signature; for every copy diminishes=A0the ap= pearance of authenticity and=A0compromises the honorable intentions from wh= ich this signature was created.)

--14dae93407bb78e1be04b4cca46a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 09:18:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2374718349F; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EF598D7.7030202@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 04:18:15 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6C_lJB.A.fRE.bjZ9OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:18:19 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, December 24 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 09:24:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7788218349E; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 712340862/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.128/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.128 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANaZ9U5YbRaA/2dsb2JhbAAMN68xAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd2t1KIdYMaBJo+jHg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,403,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="712340862" Message-ID: <4EF59A58.1040205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:24:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:24:41 +0000 (UTC) william middlemiss wrote: > you have a > responsibility to ask questions why is it 'classical'? why 'modern'? ...and why 'avant garde'? andy ps beautiful site From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 10:01:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 314411834A7; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2zQ4tS38YipjjR/u47ymkXqE2m7BDIp0uphEPYTXBgY=; b=CRahjmPAgCG8BaWkHxLQwOVd6ig/Ehn39ZzcPb34m5hzeSp0ubMKJvOWTeF3e2LjWk kSAQ9yK/OSLvymiy9gMXnsrl25GQ28TwS9vAR2hH2E/Jt+uucs7f9/EAUAGYrbniSez6 3CcfC/YQPS+jUXm14PmFWNCQffehOZnG/KCbE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EF59A58.1040205@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4EF59A58.1040205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 05:01:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba1efd82af3d8904b4d39fef Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:01:57 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba1efd82af3d8904b4d39fef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Andy! Thanks for the compliment! To answer your questions: a) Well, because I couldnt find any other description! b) Because those are descriptions that invoke a tradition, a lineage which these ideas are part of. Classical because there are 12 tone elements, phasing explorations, musique concrete, classical instrumentation in parts. Noise/sound ideas taken from Germany in the 50's where Stockhausen worked, and sound pieces drawn out in a similar fashion to Xenakis' UPIC drawings. Why modern? because some of my concepts are sprung from modern visual art used in a musical context, and because the ideas I use do not belong to a historical context in the context which I use them. Why avant garde? because I cannot find other examples of these ideas being used in this manner, so I have inadvertently become one of the first. My thinking was at some points as simple as: hey, what if I did a disc with 12 tone guitar, musique concrete over drum grooves, and sprinkled in unorthodox instrumentation and electronic sounds.- That is what the "Musique Dubatronics" is. Abstracktion was me purposefully combining nontonal/oblique guitarisms with synthesizers and sound generations which were based around geometric shapes. Holophonics was an experiment in a 'fractal composition' approach and a composition formula which remained consistent at extreme timescales. And the Ambient record is electronic works with loopers and synths and sequencers. Its the most 'traditional' of those works in terms of the approach used to generate it, but it also is an intentional deviation from any discernible 'form.' The eclectic approach is simply because I could not find another way of releasing the material Ive accumulated and categorizing it in any means familiar with the average listener. So, everything is a little of this, a little of that, and in the end I tried to make everything as balanced and value-packed as possible. But, its more or less intended to be challenging music. Its also intended to be broken up among one's record collection and sprinkled about, as I am completely aware that most compilations in this manner are sometimes too challenging for some all at once. There's a certain density which appealed to me with these 'outside' works, so I was hesitant to break any combination of them up further. --90e6ba1efd82af3d8904b4d39fef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Andy! Thanks for the compliment!

To answer yo= ur questions:

a) Well, because I couldnt find any other descriptio= n!

b) Because those are descriptions that invoke a traditi= on, a lineage which these ideas are part of. Classical because there are 12= tone elements, phasing explorations, musique concrete, classical instrumen= tation in parts. Noise/sound ideas taken from Germany in the 50's where= Stockhausen worked, and sound pieces drawn out in a similar fashion to Xen= akis' UPIC drawings. Why modern? because some of my concepts are sprung= from modern visual art used in a musical context, and because the ideas I = use do not belong to a historical context in the context which I use them. = Why avant garde? because I cannot find other examples of these ideas being = used in this manner, so I have inadvertently become one of the first. My th= inking was at some points as simple as: hey, what if I did a disc with 12 t= one guitar, musique concrete over drum grooves, and sprinkled in unorthodox= instrumentation and electronic sounds.- That is what the "Musique Dub= atronics" is.

Abstracktion was me purposefully combining nontonal/obl= ique guitarisms with synthesizers and sound generations which were based ar= ound geometric shapes.

Holophonics was an experime= nt in a 'fractal composition' approach and a composition formula wh= ich remained consistent at extreme timescales.

And the Ambient record is electronic works with loopers= and synths and sequencers. Its the most 'traditional' of those wor= ks in terms of the approach used to generate it, but it also is an intentio= nal deviation from any discernible 'form.'=A0

The eclectic approach is simply because I could not fin= d another way of releasing the material Ive accumulated and categorizing it= in any means familiar with the average listener.=A0

So, everything is a little of this, a little of that, and in the end I= tried to make everything as balanced and value-packed as possible. But, it= s more or less intended to be challenging music. Its also intended to be br= oken up among one's record collection and sprinkled about, as I am comp= letely aware that most compilations in this manner are sometimes too challe= nging for some all at once. There's a certain density which appealed to= me with these 'outside' works, so I was hesitant to break any comb= ination of them up further.=A0

Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 05:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340913456f0204b4d4007a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:28:58 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340913456f0204b4d4007a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per, Im going to be adding descriptions. It was interesting in the meantime to see which tracks garnered attention without descriptions, however. I do feel satisfaction with your remark about the artwork supporting the music. I simply added the visual work from this time period, and the two coalesced. This is probably not a coincidence because of the abstract/departure from traditional form in both musical and visual idioms and using note collections, or color collections to determine the direction of both and give gravity to the result. Thanks again, Billy --14dae9340913456f0204b4d4007a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per,=A0

Im going to be adding descriptions. It was inter= esting in the meantime to see which tracks garnered attention without descr= iptions, however.

I do feel satisfaction with your= remark about the artwork supporting the music. I simply added the visual w= ork from this time period, and the two coalesced. This is probably not a co= incidence because of the abstract/departure from traditional form in both m= usical and visual idioms and using note collections, or color collections t= o determine the direction of both and give gravity to the result.

Thanks again,

Billy

--14dae9340913456f0204b4d4007a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 14:49:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 269401834AD; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=n8v4UxjCx2i7bKccYaaAPLxFTVdrET87qW6ZWRfsbSk=; b=XXKLwF0yNHRHa7BWeHpcIsXOwLDrjXoGyWjpQCNfiA0KlYUMB3jlR1/Sk/kL+9JgPb sQOKfsxHYFEDPMrJuHa3Rb7r7pMHg3T2Os6p6wKP6Vrhc7KCREnm8WMGxtTQPF0BmcfA RGF/E8bmy4uuI0eO4hgi5WGj9CZH5C9M0wj5g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:49:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mIDwINTER mEDITATION From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044787d9d29ecf04b4d7a463 Resent-Message-ID: <2L3pu.A.rSH.Hae9OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:49:44 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044787d9d29ecf04b4d7a463 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 meditative - really winterish Seasons greetings from Finland to you Anders! 2011/12/23 Anders Bergdahl > http://soundcloud.com/...l/midwinter-meditation > > Where the cold snaps i the night at the stars sparkle against a black sky.. > > when you stand i the silence a bit longer, > > - long from cities and lights > > you hear the darkness roar.. > > > ...and melodies of peace rumble in your head > > Time gets engulfed by darkness > ... light is ahead.. yet far away..**** > -- Petri Lahtinen --f46d044787d9d29ecf04b4d7a463 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable meditative - really winterish

Seasons greetings from Finland to you = Anders!

2011/12/23 Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_b= ergdahl@hotmail.com>

http://soundcloud= .com/...l/midwinter-meditation

Where the cold snaps i the night at the stars sparkle against a black sky..=

when you stand i the silence a bit longer,

- long from cities and lights
you hear the darkness roar..

...and melodies of peace rumble in your head

Time gets engulfed by darkness
... light is ahead.. yet far away..

--
Petri Lahtinen

<= br> --f46d044787d9d29ecf04b4d7a463-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 16:04:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CF9B1834AC; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EwZMFYbwQ4oFCIVZ4wamfwO6GAeX128zFJwunF2HuP4=; b=B2jwn63qWRZWm/9r8ztZKZ3VdoZEKOHJ1hfFbaDxAdE7xBDwzuEyU1VL/FsLefWyfx W5pqnkMPkS1dYx+Byebn0yqq3C4IusoM5y6N8tREo+sO715eG5z8DHoP1l6O1EheV1IZ BtUhvMiZGK8gwim6vCxbFhWb3Y3sjnRAwF4FE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:04:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QFV7M1PUjEszXlDxk4JjSm6hlJ8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SXSW From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdf0af090e58e04b4d8afca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:04:20 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cdf0af090e58e04b4d8afca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Whoa nice. I'll keep that in mind for a future tour. Anyone on here planning on even going to SXSW in March? Or is anyone on here based down in Austin, TX? On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > I actually started a quadrennial event called Loopy Leap Year (February > 29th for those not following). > > Mid summer is tough because everyone in Thunder Bay goes out to camps and > cottages, so draws are tricky. > > As for getting to Thunder Bay - depends on how much stuff you have. If > you're into flying. Get to Toronto, then you can often find $100 seat sales > via Porter to TBay. Otherwise, driving from the US is good, and I'd > recommend coming from Minneapolis. Either way, you'll have to drive a lot. > > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: >> >> I'm in Thunder Bay, ON (about 7 hours north of Minneapolis, MN). However, >> I tour A LOT, so I generally get out to either coast at least once a year. >> >> >> Thunder Bay Loopfest? >> >> I don't know whether it would be better to do it in mid-winter or >> mid-summer, however. >> >> And you would need to advise everyone on how best to get to Thunder Bay... >> >> Mark >> >> > > > -- > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > (807) 251-3376 > --000e0cdf0af090e58e04b4d8afca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoa nice. I'll keep that in mind for a future tour.

Anyone on = here planning on even going to SXSW in March? Or is anyone on here based do= wn in Austin, TX?

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 a= t 12:54 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:

I actually started a quadrennial event calle= d Loopy Leap Year (February 29th for those not following).=A0

Mid summer is tough because everyone in Thunder Bay goes out to camps and c= ottages, so draws are tricky.=A0

As for getting to Thunder Bay - depends on how much stu= ff you have. If you're into flying. Get to Toronto, then you can often = find $100 seat sales via Porter to TBay. Otherwise, driving from the US is = good, and I'd recommend coming from Minneapolis. Either way, you'll= have to drive a lot.=A0

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hambu= rg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:54= PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote:

I'm in Thunder Bay, ON (about = 7 hours north of Minneapolis, MN). However, I tour A LOT, so I generally ge= t out to either coast at least once a year.

Thunder Bay Loopfest?
I don't know whether it would be better to do it in mid-wi= nter or mid-summer, however.

And you would need to= advise everyone on how best to get to Thunder Bay...

Mark

--
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

--000e0cdf0af090e58e04b4d8afca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 17:30:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DACA11834AF; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 17:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wN5/OdS/7hl3aRTPTViGy5XHc1tS8JMPaEhPXqaRdh8= c=1 sm=1 a=cUEFZDSfRhcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=QUtJ70/DwikwNptVizwJrw==:17 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=cEMhz94kXDp62Fo53GcA:9 a=naQBD6dVrzpjJlwetKMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=QUtJ70/DwikwNptVizwJrw==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:30:26 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <38F2CF5A-BEA3-43DA-B711-70CB89A9AFEE@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 17:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing Bill. I enjoyed every minute of it - and may make a purchase too. And right now I am enjoying streaming all 4 albums at once (something my = browser sometimes lets me do). As a musician/visual artis myself I can very much appreciate what you've = done. I wish you success. Best, Ted Killian On Dec 23, 2011, at 5:42 PM, william middlemiss wrote: > http://arteffete.bandcamp.com/=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 18:01:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E14441834A3; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kEGfvTY1e+8Gf+oHtVl5Vr+lmuX5gNg5Ys+9e+3eFao=; b=Pvu49OLrP15oa4iDOilXwNkJp8+yvkDVAPoRhKWwXrQmm+K/u1l3vvgPW2RNpBZBce eJeshFTKBY4mrDA5CEvx/Gf/fySK5OcCgbtcD9tlrEvJmevpmyVnAbYANS86HiINi5ml coIiTr2/2uefmAq97ITycI8NWjzNB8o0zravg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EF59A58.1040205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:01:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517510bbcfa38c504b4da5290 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:01:35 +0000 (UTC) --001517510bbcfa38c504b4da5290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not familar with a lot of the concepts you are describing. I'm a bit younger, and have only heard of the twelve tone system through arvo part. The other stuff sounds very interesting though. Any links explaining art/geometry/fractals as the basis for composition? On Dec 24, 2011 4:01 AM, "william middlemiss" wrote: > Andy! Thanks for the compliment! > > To answer your questions: > > a) Well, because I couldnt find any other description! > > b) Because those are descriptions that invoke a tradition, a lineage which > these ideas are part of. Classical because there are 12 tone elements, > phasing explorations, musique concrete, classical instrumentation in parts. > Noise/sound ideas taken from Germany in the 50's where Stockhausen worked, > and sound pieces drawn out in a similar fashion to Xenakis' UPIC drawings. > Why modern? because some of my concepts are sprung from modern visual art > used in a musical context, and because the ideas I use do not belong to a > historical context in the context which I use them. Why avant garde? > because I cannot find other examples of these ideas being used in this > manner, so I have inadvertently become one of the first. My thinking was at > some points as simple as: hey, what if I did a disc with 12 tone guitar, > musique concrete over drum grooves, and sprinkled in unorthodox > instrumentation and electronic sounds.- That is what the "Musique > Dubatronics" is. > > Abstracktion was me purposefully combining nontonal/oblique guitarisms > with synthesizers and sound generations which were based around geometric > shapes. > > Holophonics was an experiment in a 'fractal composition' approach and a > composition formula which remained consistent at extreme timescales. > > And the Ambient record is electronic works with loopers and synths and > sequencers. Its the most 'traditional' of those works in terms of the > approach used to generate it, but it also is an intentional deviation from > any discernible 'form.' > > The eclectic approach is simply because I could not find another way of > releasing the material Ive accumulated and categorizing it in any means > familiar with the average listener. > > So, everything is a little of this, a little of that, and in the end I > tried to make everything as balanced and value-packed as possible. But, its > more or less intended to be challenging music. Its also intended to be > broken up among one's record collection and sprinkled about, as I am > completely aware that most compilations in this manner are sometimes too > challenging for some all at once. There's a certain density which appealed > to me with these 'outside' works, so I was hesitant to break any > combination of them up further. > --001517510bbcfa38c504b4da5290 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not familar with a lot of the concepts you are describing. I'= ;m a bit younger, and have only heard of the twelve tone system through arv= o part.

The other stuff sounds very interesting though. Any links explaining art= /geometry/fractals as the basis for composition?

On Dec 24, 2011 4:01 AM, "william middlemis= s" <billymiddlemiss@gm= ail.com> wrote:

Andy! Thanks for the compliment!

To answer yo= ur questions:

a) Well, because I couldnt find any other descriptio= n!

b) Because those are descriptions that invoke a traditi= on, a lineage which these ideas are part of. Classical because there are 12= tone elements, phasing explorations, musique concrete, classical instrumen= tation in parts. Noise/sound ideas taken from Germany in the 50's where= Stockhausen worked, and sound pieces drawn out in a similar fashion to Xen= akis' UPIC drawings. Why modern? because some of my concepts are sprung= from modern visual art used in a musical context, and because the ideas I = use do not belong to a historical context in the context which I use them. = Why avant garde? because I cannot find other examples of these ideas being = used in this manner, so I have inadvertently become one of the first. My th= inking was at some points as simple as: hey, what if I did a disc with 12 t= one guitar, musique concrete over drum grooves, and sprinkled in unorthodox= instrumentation and electronic sounds.- That is what the "Musique Dub= atronics" is.

Abstracktion was me purposefully combining nontonal/obl= ique guitarisms with synthesizers and sound generations which were based ar= ound geometric shapes.

Holophonics was an experime= nt in a 'fractal composition' approach and a composition formula wh= ich remained consistent at extreme timescales.

And the Ambient record is electronic works with loopers= and synths and sequencers. Its the most 'traditional' of those wor= ks in terms of the approach used to generate it, but it also is an intentio= nal deviation from any discernible 'form.'=A0

The eclectic approach is simply because I could not fin= d another way of releasing the material Ive accumulated and categorizing it= in any means familiar with the average listener.=A0

So, everything is a little of this, a little of that, and in the end I= tried to make everything as balanced and value-packed as possible. But, it= s more or less intended to be challenging music. Its also intended to be br= oken up among one's record collection and sprinkled about, as I am comp= letely aware that most compilations in this manner are sometimes too challe= nging for some all at once. There's a certain density which appealed to= me with these 'outside' works, so I was hesitant to break any comb= ination of them up further.=A0

--001517510bbcfa38c504b4da5290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 18:13:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F58E1834B2; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XFXbzklxQlrGSNNhUjAjL0hFII2qKG8ncXUdff8/VK0=; b=FjKPpTxLcYmNU5ZnZGWcmjaKhvioLSVYR712mwjZdegiJZYJkfZC912uLQLhwL/K+c x/HKWypyPAE3aoCD68vWsLhO33qgXJIwgNOEi4eR6VLe8gFx16GpdAvHsXMNzwaU7Qdi RF9RN7fxj0t38qyuGxGweewnxOqTtPQrgHHP0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EF59A58.1040205@tiscali.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 13:13:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e89c8b9fd3e04b4da7c86 Resent-Message-ID: <-3H5N.A.ztB.8Yh9OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:13:16 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e89c8b9fd3e04b4da7c86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Marcus, Theres only vague references. Ive come up with a few processes myself, but they need to be refined, and language to explain them needs to be agreed upon. That is my concentration this winter though. Ill pass on anything of value I compile. -Billy --90e6ba6e89c8b9fd3e04b4da7c86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marcus, Theres only vague references. Ive come up with a few processes myse= lf, but they need to be refined, and language to explain them needs to be a= greed upon.=A0

=A0That is my concentration this winter t= hough. Ill pass on anything of value I compile.

-Billy

--90e6ba6e89c8b9fd3e04b4da7c86-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 18:45:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FA481834B3; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t2Y/pYQ+YqmirGXdnLm2joN4N1YgnpGbGPCo9e/l6+s=; b=JoBDOZsYcDVl4amLUxd264mxUu7GIc6f252z0bd9iJUkpw5LL2hJuR+3lIm1Pbkq6E DVI+iSZ1NAVF/e6rzgaYGuZYvM1QU7wsLBXDejku9cTg31hqsbyWxcQKEpvF8KvoU9GQ NOCFSkx3taHdbgWG3DvOfgSzgBGI6Lc6rG6Do= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EF59A58.1040205@tiscali.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:45:36 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. It all sounds very interesting. On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, william middlemiss wrote: > Marcus, Theres only vague references. Ive come up with a few processes > myself, but they need to be refined, and language to explain them needs t= o > be agreed upon. > > =A0That is my concentration this winter though. Ill pass on anything of v= alue > I compile. > > > -Billy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 18:45:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D32B1834B7; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3fyWdd8OefTqugEbd67W0AXSfgoe7Fnco8sy4xVHqOQ=; b=j+y3xfFLsFDLqVWHWTyn+Cbl41nehoGYcnOrnFGf1ygsSd+TEfX+5buSB3LvJrOVKz X2SXbWGJbRHGS8AD2gUFLA6tBOZ2nA3J4ViHO1LuJBXLaiAWx45x2TZIZ3wDzua0KK9B 0PrstsJZ8VwSkZWByXw3+Y4nESOpbXw9x/CDc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 13:45:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mIDwINTER mEDITATION From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399dcd99130004b4daf13f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:45:56 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9399dcd99130004b4daf13f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anders, I like! Alot! Interesting contrasting elements, but each holding their own space. --14dae9399dcd99130004b4daf13f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Anders,

I like! Alot!

Interesting contrasting elements, but each holding their own space.

--14dae9399dcd99130004b4daf13f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 19:02:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F4D71834BA; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: References: <04a701ccc0e6$2eccb340$8c6619c0$@comcast.net> <8CE8F05CC056955-262C-5A6D@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com> <009901ccc187$491d8980$db589c80$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: <005901ccc26e$8e1e18f0$aa5a4ad0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01CCC244.A54A5AE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFnuR8nAOT6nUP2QP+5fCnP22OrVgDbnwzbAXZFPS4BAww4Bpaawo+w Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111224-1, 12/24/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:02:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01CCC244.A54A5AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I don't, but thank you for the encouragement. I was going to try to take on "Mars, Bringer of War", as a hybrid of the classic orchestral arrangement with some of the ELP flavor thrown in, plus my own interpretation of the crazy, off-the-rails climax near the end. Thank you again for your kind comment. Brian From: Jean-Paul De Roover [mailto:j.de.roover@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 12:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT My orchestration of O Holy Night Sounds great! Do have any more? ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01CCC244.A54A5AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, I don’t, but thank you for the = encouragement.

I was going to try to take on “Mars, Bringer of War”, as = a hybrid of the classic orchestral arrangement with some of the ELP = flavor thrown in, plus my own interpretation of the crazy, off-the-rails = climax near the end.

Thank you again for your kind comment.

Brian

From:= = Jean-Paul De Roover [mailto:j.de.roover@gmail.com]
Sent: = Friday, December 23, 2011 12:59 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT My = orchestration of O Holy Night

Sounds = great! Do have any more?

------=_NextPart_000_005A_01CCC244.A54A5AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 22:14:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0953A1834B3; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 667908.11450.bm@omp1042.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1324764889; bh=4CM23QijIWUNb7schrlGeRTqN8rDdCQUVs/fDW/fOrk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=48qzeWwKdyLSkhCdVt6Yuvj2lWVMkPjDqG0jgf/07hOroJvX0gPJgGON6ALkTxew10Me8omgkRjF8j9Jc8SjMh9TzvJ4aVxPe8FkIGMr3AuG03QP5RrddX4ygcpGh5GRGm3RZipZlh1i2ULgbJgTgbF8W5/ANILyavHYQnIQ4N0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GOXNkZcydlvNU1S6PoR/0oTMy9wuyV2iC3fgm/OmNOzHK18b/rTbij5R+QzXpC4mKokkeYbHxrHCOPT/xn3x8ytpY3aXy4apSZg/bJDnWZ1RRAasYi1xTUKlfVchMw6vaiFwrqaPea4sy2q6XKzZX7gr7QlUnrVsvI06CrMWwuM=; X-YMail-OSG: MfZDg.sVM1m6g1D4H6tQRQRJ5U9zKzZS7jDKveqb3fVJmCy Gid1lxoqXzTqXfu_PvhDwy_mMPT87uJzZnHE3kvJP_eZ8lwd_dXN3EnMrG6M 9Y9CyMAcRdr57v3.5focOAuen53vvRnPyxDap7i242sT5Iufp9Z0RIJ4uWbp OZ0i_aTw8SrBR62OKbjjsk_R9OAd9K16l8c0a5tKJRBA_H1gWTjf3fbBwVL5 YN2QlvLTudkbHm6QZs0324U2.2C93HU1QBtiBhTn1y2L8c.wZJV1GlVNk_av bwRrF5PNmvDlSOMviutc7fPiPcaSIicRdiRqKicY7m1JfBQclFMS71bxqCyY IQKKJqFmyBwwySB9E7m7Rv9PdpRyGtMbJ5LAz.smKAazG52.x1RX1QCWeaFS 72F1f9qVKG1qpqxRnjTyzJ4AKut3jCtgxUjh6m8KZO2HvnqUglxVfK.Zv_FS NJQ72Kxt3N2jLqkaqfv4H1.Vi6uUTrlkj7JnSZ5ntmcILj2QJ18ZFm2jLGch VK3.JtJhLuFS_xKGgzF5FSBJzIEFeOCy0oygZQCsa52t9NNzh_ZEpGWlmKBv vBzQeGnQs.5EZ X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1324764889.5711.YahooMailNeo@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:14:49 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Uccello Reply-To: Steve Uccello Subject: Bowed Contrabass-Come O Come Emmanuel-Happy Holidays To: LOOPER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="343573205-352204486-1324764889=:5711" Resent-Message-ID: <77iJxD.A.rhE.a7k9OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:14:51 +0000 (UTC) --343573205-352204486-1324764889=:5711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey everyone, Happy Holidays (whichever one you happen to celebrate!) In case any missed it who might enjoy: a little free download of this upright bass, live looping, droney version of Come O Come Emmanuel I played at a concert a couple of weeks ago-hope you enjoy! Steve Uccello (Clarified Birds) http://soundcloud.com/uccello_project/come-o-come-emmanuel-live-12 --343573205-352204486-1324764889=:5711 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hey everyone, Happy Holidays (whichever one you happen to celebrate!) In case any missed it who might enjoy: a little free download of this upright bass, live looping, droney version of Come O Come Emmanuel I played at a concert a couple of weeks ago-hope you enjoy! Steve Uccello (Clarified Birds)

http://soundcloud.com/uccello_project/come-o-come-emmanuel-live-12

--343573205-352204486-1324764889=:5711-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 22:22:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 071131834B7; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_97e4805c-281a-44b9-acfc-e9415a9bd4b2_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:22:27 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2011 22:22:27.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[84AB5C80:01CCC28A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:22:28 +0000 (UTC) --_97e4805c-281a-44b9-acfc-e9415a9bd4b2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WOW ... a lot of very good music.. I will need time to digest it all..=20 ...holophonics pt.1 and i rellay like i=2C the texture in the background is= such a nice backdrop for the bell like sounds..good contrast! Like some if the ambient stuff as well=2C but to me holophonics is the stuf= f i prefer.. good mix between ambient and more experimental melodies and te= xtures.. OOps listning to abstraction #8.. LOVE it... very cool stuff.. prepared gui= tar and a comb filter?? How was the guitar prepared?=20 Bottom line i need MUCH more time to disgest it..=20 THANKS!! Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 20:42:12 -0500 Subject: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: billymiddlemiss@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com http://arteffete.bandcamp.com/=20 Throughout the year=2C Ive been adding to it. There are still some pieces t= o upload and edit=2C and lots of other ideas to turn into works=3B but here= 's what Ive done so far. Feedback welcome/appreciated. Im planning on doing some musical performance= s with some of my large drip paintings as backdrops in 2012.=20 Take care=2C Merry Christmas=2C (etc.) Happy New Year --=20 If you do not understand the content of this message=3B you have a responsi= bility to ask questions to allow for a process of mutual understanding to o= ccur. Be assured any response will receive my attention to the highest degr= ee which is available=3B I ask you not to take advantage of my attention as= my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respect your privacy on the = condition that you respect mine. Best wishes=2C Billy (I respectfully ask that you do not copy this signature=3B for every copy d= iminishes the appearance of authenticity and compromises the honorable inte= ntions from which this signature was created.) = --_97e4805c-281a-44b9-acfc-e9415a9bd4b2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

WOW ... a lot of very good music.. I will need time to digest it all.. = =3B

...holophonics pt.1 and i rellay like i=2C the textu= re in the background is such a nice backdrop for the bell like sounds..good= contrast!

Like some if the ambient stuff as well= =2C but to me holophonics is the stuff i prefer.. good mix between =3Ba= mbient =3Band more experimental melodies and textures..

<= /div>

OOps listning to abstraction #8.. LOVE it... very cool stuff.. pr= epared guitar and a comb filter?? How was the guitar prepared? =3B

Bottom line i need MUCH more time to disgest it.. = =3B

THANKS!!

Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 20:42:12 -050= 0
Subject: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011
F= rom: billymiddlemiss@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
http://a= rteffete.bandcamp.com/ =3B

Throughout the year= =2C Ive been adding to it. There are still some pieces to upload and edit= =2C and lots of other ideas to turn into works=3B but here's what Ive done = so far.

Feedback welcome/appreciated. Im planning on doing some= musical performances with some of my large drip paintings as backdrops in = 2012. =3B

Take care=2C Merry Christmas=2C (etc= .) Happy New Year

--
If you do not understand the content of this message= =3B you have a responsibility to ask questions to allow for a process of mu= tual understanding to occur. Be assured any response will receive my attent= ion to the highest degree which is available=3B I ask you not to take advan= tage of my attention as my time may be better spent elsewhere. I will respe= ct your privacy on the condition that you respect mine.

Best wishes=2C Billy

(I respectfull= y ask that you do not copy this signature=3B for every copy diminishes = =3Bthe appearance of authenticity and =3Bcompromises the honorable inte= ntions from which this signature was created.)

= --_97e4805c-281a-44b9-acfc-e9415a9bd4b2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 22:39:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2D4A1834BE; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: mIDwINTER mEDITATION Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 23:38:49 +0100 Message-ID: <002801ccc28c$ced83e70$6c88bb50$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CCC295.309CA670" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AczCS0VsTtDWgazrRqC/iHujuQ0dvwAQOTxA Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:39:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CCC295.309CA670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 2011/12/23 Anders Bergdahl http://soundcloud.com/...l/midwinter-meditation love the guitar tone and the scattered sounds, it is like a painting but not repetitive, it stays surprising. Lovely! -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CCC295.309CA670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> 2011/12/23 Anders Bergdahl http://soundcloud.com/...l/midwinter-meditation

love the guitar tone and the scattered sounds, it is like a painting = but not repetitive, it stays surprising. Lovely!

-Michael

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CCC295.309CA670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 14:23:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17B91834BE; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EF731F6.90401@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:23:50 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for December 24, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4Gc9AB.A.-PE.9Hz9OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Happy Holidays everyone! http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2011/111224.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #214 December 24, 2011. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Numina Scraping the Subterranean Landscapes Surface (Numinamusic) VA [Myth Gestalt In This Realm of Sequences No. 16 Musik] Imperfection 2 VA [Julian Bishop] Cybernaught Sequences No. 17 VA [Stephan Whitlan] Unreleased Sequences No. 17 Polaris and Collision Collision (Ricochet Dream) Krzysztof Horn Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== The Tunnel Singer Tears In Rain * Tears In Rain (none) Paul McCartney Moonrise Ocean's Kingdom (Telarc) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Spock's Beard As Far As the Mind Spock's Beard (InsideOut) See [Dreaming in the Age of Answers | Here's a Man | They Know We Know | Stream of Unconsciousness] A.C.T Consequences Silence (InsideOut) [Silent Screams | Introduction | The Millionaire | Joanna | A Father's Love | Memory to Fight | The Diary | A Wound That Won't Heal | The Final Silence] * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 17:18:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94A011834C3; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=zH_5IpppMM8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=QUtJ70/DwikwNptVizwJrw==:17 a=k-D10OEX_ivYtAzjPj0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=QUtJ70/DwikwNptVizwJrw==:117 From: Ted Killian Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Merry Christmas Everybody! Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:18:24 -0800 Message-Id: <6D0F84E4-963B-4357-A648-4633D43D408A@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Seasons greetings, happy new year and all that other stuff. Most of all . . . peace on earthy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 17:23:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D6211834BE; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QizrGicK9trVc6jtaeH3rd11nnfwVnIUtCeOOaMttQA=; b=gB8pu0NnjNgGtRP50vX66jEo3vMvMOj+xPHpC5FXuo8QW3IR/XMUpLrN2xTDFEqmU8 J2EqWlMR57bPocgNQq21viNcpApcHKRGN/wXB5XcG1qTpWhQshPZGMJv7jwvGmdbvFIG ZdsGpF+A2mcP44PDGt17de8I7AUMgtPEMrj3U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6D0F84E4-963B-4357-A648-4633D43D408A@charter.net> References: <6D0F84E4-963B-4357-A648-4633D43D408A@charter.net> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:23:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Everybody! From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf306f7710a4f5bb04b4ede78f Resent-Message-ID: <40yD-B.A.lsF.Bw19OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:23:13 +0000 (UTC) --20cf306f7710a4f5bb04b4ede78f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Merry Christmas to you and everyone. Peace to all creatures! On Dec 25, 2011 12:18 PM, "Ted Killian" wrote: > > Seasons greetings, happy new year and all that other stuff. > > Most of all . . . peace on earthy. > --20cf306f7710a4f5bb04b4ede78f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Merry Christmas to you and everyone.=A0 Peace to all creatures!
On Dec 25, 2011 12:18 PM, "Ted Killian" <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Seasons greetings, happy new year and all that other stuff.
>
> Most of all . . . peace on earthy.
>

--20cf306f7710a4f5bb04b4ede78f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 19:33:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B65821834C0; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EF77A71.5030002@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:33:05 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #768 for December 22, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:33:19 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/111222.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #768 December 22, 2011. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8077 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Aurora" on Poundsounds. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Sensitive Chaos Winter Winds Across Remembering Chestnuts, Icy the Heartland Cold, and Bells (Subsequent) Mystified Raining Red Flickering Fuel (Dark Meadow) Keller and Metropolis * Long Distances (Manikin) Schonwalder Jonn Serrie Breath of the Sunday Morning Peace (Valley Valley Entertainment) Dan Pound Aurora Aurora (Poundsounds) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Dan Pound Northern Lights Aurora (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Magnetic Pull Aurora (Poundsounds) Dan Pound True North Aurora (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Wind aand Wing Aurora (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Polaris Aurora (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Under Stars Aurora (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Wind Calling Aurora (Poundsounds) Dan Pound Borealis Aurora (Poundsounds) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Wolf Moon" on Poundsounds. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 23:07:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18FE41834C9; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ZBE8EyOwXx2QwRMk8iZo5P594LDAUCA+xQTNoQvhSLE=; b=H7NQqe9KW+OwJERtHskdpbWyCF1sbmKNBakLJMK+Wynqc3suLMR1pxwCs9ScsvnZeZ 0Majbcr598t6R38fGvSj8RO5bkCNfQw/Y2UNBX5sYXc2ymH+3ASFvTY5FZhTuZTRUlnc Vx4TIZkNWkXx/8wbLSIqDivNlXFIRQcHMChCM= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: todd reynolds Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:07:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: To my list brethren n sistren! , a little Christmas looping for y'all. To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dbe5f4a86bc904b4f2b721 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:07:45 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dbe5f4a86bc904b4f2b721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Happy Holidays to all of you, respect and joy for whatever you celebrate, and best wishes for the coming year. I've loved all the holiday looping over the past couple weeks, and herewith offer up my own. Here's a private soundcloud link to one of the tunes from my CD, Outerborough. It's called Icy Sleeves of Green - you can probably tell what Christmas tune it's around, lol, and I hope you enjoy it. http://soundcloud.com/toddreyn/icy-sleeves-of-green/s-YcHmH If by chance you're interested, I'm reissuing my record on facebook, one track a week, with extensive liner notes and photos, videos, back story, you know the drill... Here's the first entry, https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=278743 348840735&id=167398653309797 and here's the vehicle I'm using to do it... It sure as hell ain't perfect, but there are some good things to it. It's called BandPage... Check this page out for me? http://listn.to/Todd-Reynolds All best to you all, I wish you joy, peace, happiness, all good things wherever you are. Todd --0016e6dbe5f4a86bc904b4f2b721 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Holidays to all of you, respect and joy for whatever you celebrate, a= nd best wishes for=A0the coming year. =A0

<= div>I've loved all the holiday looping over the past couple weeks, and = herewith offer up my own. =A0

Here's a private soundcloud link to one of the tune= s from my CD, Outerborough. It's called Icy Sleeves of Green - you can = probably tell what Christmas tune it's around, lol, and I hope you enjo= y it.=A0

http://soundcloud.com/toddreyn/icy-sleeves-of-green/s-YcHm= H

If by chance you're interested, I'm = reissuing my record on facebook, one track a week, with extensive liner not= es and photos, videos, back story, you know the drill... Here's the fir= st entry,=A0

https://www.= facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3D278743348840735&id=3D1673986533= 09797=A0

and here's the vehicle I'm using to do it... It sure a= s hell ain't perfect, but there are some good things to it. =A0It's= called BandPage... Check this page out for me?

http://listn.to/Todd= -Reynolds

All best to you all, I wish you joy, peace, happiness, all goo= d things wherever you are. =A0

Todd

--0016e6dbe5f4a86bc904b4f2b721-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 23:12:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C89371834CE; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_843a4c58-ef13-4471-a644-291ea5512265_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: To my list brethren n sistren! , a little Christmas looping for y'all. Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:12:12 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2011 23:12:13.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2BC3CA0:01CCC35A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:12:18 +0000 (UTC) --_843a4c58-ef13-4471-a644-291ea5512265_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greatness.. sounds very=2C very good..=20 Thanks for posting.. Anders From: toddreyn@gmail.com Date: Sun=2C 25 Dec 2011 18:07:02 -0500 Subject: To my list brethren n sistren! =2C a little Christmas looping for = y'all. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Happy Holidays to all of you=2C respect and joy for whatever you celebrate= =2C and best wishes for the coming year. =20 I've loved all the holiday looping over the past couple weeks=2C and herewi= th offer up my own. =20 Here's a private soundcloud link to one of the tunes from my CD=2C Outerbor= ough. It's called Icy Sleeves of Green - you can probably tell what Christm= as tune it's around=2C lol=2C and I hope you enjoy it.=20 http://soundcloud.com/toddreyn/icy-sleeves-of-green/s-YcHmH If by chance you're interested=2C I'm reissuing my record on facebook=2C on= e track a week=2C with extensive liner notes and photos=2C videos=2C back s= tory=2C you know the drill... Here's the first entry=2C=20 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3D278743348840735&id=3D16= 7398653309797=20 and here's the vehicle I'm using to do it... It sure as hell ain't perfect= =2C but there are some good things to it. It's called BandPage... Check th= is page out for me? http://listn.to/Todd-Reynolds All best to you all=2C I wish you joy=2C peace=2C happiness=2C all good thi= ngs wherever you are. =20 Todd = --_843a4c58-ef13-4471-a644-291ea5512265_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greatness.. sounds very=2C very good.. =3B

Thank= s for posting..

Anders

From: toddreyn@gmail.com
Date= : Sun=2C 25 Dec 2011 18:07:02 -0500
Subject: To my list brethren n sistr= en! =2C a little Christmas looping for y'all.
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com

Happy Holidays to all of you=2C respect and joy for wh= atever you celebrate=2C and best wishes for =3Bthe coming year. = =3B

I've loved all the holiday looping= over the past couple weeks=2C and herewith offer up my own. =3B

Here's a private soundcloud link to one of the tunes fr= om my CD=2C Outerborough. It's called Icy Sleeves of Green - you can probab= ly tell what Christmas tune it's around=2C lol=2C and I hope you enjoy it.&= nbsp=3B

http://soundcloud.com/toddreyn/icy-sleev= es-of-green/s-YcHmH

If by chance you're intere= sted=2C I'm reissuing my record on facebook=2C one track a week=2C with ext= ensive liner notes and photos=2C videos=2C back story=2C you know the drill= ... Here's the first entry=2C =3B

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3D278743348840735= &=3Bid=3D167398653309797 =3B

and here's the vehicle I'm using to do it... It = sure as hell ain't perfect=2C but there are some good things to it. = =3BIt's called BandPage... Check this page out for me?

http://listn.to/Todd-Reynolds

All best to you all=2C I wish you joy=2C peace= =2C happiness=2C all good things wherever you are. =3B

Todd

<= /p>

= --_843a4c58-ef13-4471-a644-291ea5512265_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 01:29:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A8A1834D0; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 01:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+8+IFaQJf6vaZdKFg32/PqeV1AsfAm+4VpKE/W+12TU=; b=v4wchMeHad2djXZlorg9QIMNcd4Sv40oBetWHyIldnW0IN1KX74bXBg4TqrEf2ExIx Oere0dEh6uRAsPjqT54nHmpTtKjI2P0+cgHM6chgD5ala4inpdeR5MVhIPdq4E/s0o9U O/unCxBs4bXEibYIyNkyT9iQsCqn4ly/tku84= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6D0F84E4-963B-4357-A648-4633D43D408A@charter.net> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 20:29:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Everybody! From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043892910550aa04b4f4b43a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 01:29:52 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043892910550aa04b4f4b43a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted and everyone Merry Christmas to those that make merry on this day and to everyone seasons greetings. Wishing equally everyone a wonderful new year filled with much creativity. I'll pass along that we at ImprovFriday had a wonderful event this weekend. Many weekends we have as we did this weekend an optional 'theme', this weekends was seasonal or wintery, much wonderful work created both as standalone pieces and many 'mashes'. Check out at the linked ImprovFriday above. Jim On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: > Merry Christmas to you and everyone. Peace to all creatures! > > On Dec 25, 2011 12:18 PM, "Ted Killian" wrote: > > > > Seasons greetings, happy new year and all that other stuff. > > > > Most of all . . . peace on earthy. > > > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --f46d043892910550aa04b4f4b43a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted and everyone Merry Christmas to those that make merry on this day and t= o everyone seasons greetings. =A0Wishing equally everyone a wonderful new y= ear filled with much creativity.

I'll pass along tha= t we at=A0ImprovFriday=A0had a wond= erful event this weekend. =A0Many weekends we have as we did this weekend a= n optional 'theme', this weekends was seasonal or wintery, much won= derful work created both as standalone pieces and many 'mashes'. = =A0Check out at the linked ImprovFriday above.

Jim

On Sun, Dec 25, 2= 011 at 12:23 PM, Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com> wrote:

Merry Christmas to you and everyone.=A0 Peace to all creatures!

On Dec 25, 2011 12:18 PM, "Ted Killian" <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote= :
>
> Seasons greetings, happy new year and all that other stuff.
>
> Most of all . . . peace on earthy.
>

--=A0

Tips Across the Waters, a n= ew app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--f46d043892910550aa04b4f4b43a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 01:57:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C30171834D1; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 01:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TjU5NxYdCi3z9OiTTWba/1LXlMPUqjAImBtMhnEF6Eo=; b=AQDDn1aTiU0Vqylpa3/sRkiStD2ZuSRuh2bqBsjn9WrOG6+PNIkH3dFCYzeVORHaUG 15iU3wgTPG3TOJFa3L/BpTnS3/ayZKBVv+YFPnW4wFoycP9ixnA/vxN+IMAT5FzI2V1k 9CyK1Ra100RLZeMw9U5F4Uakn5F5+kVJ0/tK0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 20:57:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT/spam my Avant garde/ modern classical output for 2011 From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93409134b2fbc04b4f51728 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 01:57:38 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93409134b2fbc04b4f51728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anders, Thank you for taking the time to investigate it! (as for Abstracktion #8- the guitar had files in the strings. thats not a comb filter, thats the sympathetic resonances of various files run through a well-set compressor.) Merry Christmas! --14dae93409134b2fbc04b4f51728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anders, Thank you for taking the time to investigate it!=A0

<= div>(as for Abstracktion #8- the guitar had files in the strings. thats not= a comb filter, thats the sympathetic resonances of various files run throu= gh a well-set compressor.)

Merry Christmas!

--14dae93409134b2fbc04b4f51728-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 03:06:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27E551834DB; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 03:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 380 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 03:06:51 UTC Message-ID: <90BE22913AB2452AB49E4ABFA8B92233@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <6D0F84E4-963B-4357-A648-4633D43D408A@charter.net>

In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Everybody! Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 03:00:37 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CCC37A.8B514F90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 03:06:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CCC37A.8B514F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Indeed! Tonight was the first of twelve nightly shows, =E2=80=9C12 Days = of Christmas=E2=80=9D. This series involves variations of traditional = Christmas Carols, this evening =E2=80=9CIt Came Upon a Midnight = Clear=E2=80=9D (English version), =E2=80=9CSilent Night=E2=80=9D, and = =E2=80=9CO Come All Ye Faithful=E2=80=9D. Included with the videoworks, = a Thomas Edison version of =E2=80=9CA Christmas Carol=E2=80=9D. Archived for your enjoyment. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/19388687 Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everyone! Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CCC37A.8B514F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Indeed! Tonight was the first of twelve nightly shows, = =E2=80=9C12 Days of=20 Christmas=E2=80=9D. This series involves variations of traditional = Christmas=20 Carols, this evening =E2=80=9CIt Came Upon a Midnight Clear=E2=80=9D = (English version), =E2=80=9CSilent=20 Night=E2=80=9D, and =E2=80=9CO Come All Ye Faithful=E2=80=9D. = Included with the videoworks, a=20 Thomas Edison version of =E2=80=9CA Christmas Carol=E2=80=9D.

Archived for your enjoyment.

http://www.ustream.tv/re= corded/19388687

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everyone!

Stephen Goodman

EarthLight Productions

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CCC37A.8B514F90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 10:57:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDEA31834DF; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=p4jVJqNcaXSLkH2L12TbcC894HVzOxLbOZ/lF0tG9xw=; b=PeclyP1pzlHdg6hf5X2qJ2TcuBXrJIgF2jhQ2AUg2pxT4Y3+9l4WgOmx2+ihSb7QCV OObRAvaq64PBViqq5Q5BAgf+Eiq6uG53NRfOxDRNOcQkPAyf/0/+ElfUk+KFiwgTejmf f3HwqSrh9lluoJusWJGoK9L0kdq2+V+x21vnw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:56:37 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6dYGY65kJJLfHonytM_9pRTL9q4 Message-ID: Subject: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300e54e124716f04b4fca069 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:57:00 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300e54e124716f04b4fca069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Christmas everyone... guess you won't hear from me for a while I got a PS3!! I have had a chance to check out the Facebook groups Loopers Delight and Live Looping over my few precious holidays. I am usually a staunch reader of this LD mailing list, and occasionally follow links to the FB site if I want to see someones video? So, I am slightly confused. What exactly is the point of the 2 seperate groups here? I understand that one has grown from the LD list and one had grown from the Live Looping Forum and/or Mattias=B4s Live Looping.org site. And I understand the reason for these sites. LiveLooping.org as Mattias=B4s own "take" on the community with a site that can actually be kept up to date. (The LD site is like a museum of html gone by) And Nicks forum existing for the people that would rather post to a forum than have the huge amounts of mail that LD can generate... but I ask.. (imagine "Sex in the City" question typing voice here) "Are not the two Facebook sites just serving exactly the same purpose?" I notice that everyone is routinely just posting to both, so what is the point really? I dont really care which survives but shouldn't we consolidate? Or agree to use one? OR... We could agree that one is for use as a discussion place on Facebook, a perfectly reasonable point as there are many new people in the comunity that ONLY arrived due to the FB sites I think, and the OTHER site be for posting songs and videos. Or is it better if they are just muddled up? OR... Do people like it as it is, in which case, fine, just please explain to me the difference? Happy New Blah Blah Blah.. Mark --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300e54e124716f04b4fca069 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Christmas everyone... guess you won't hear from me for a while I = got a PS3!!

I have had a chance to check out the Facebook groups Loo= pers Delight and Live Looping over my few precious holidays. I am usually a= staunch reader of this LD mailing list, and occasionally follow links to t= he FB site if I want to see someones video?

So, I am slightly confused. What exactly is the point of the 2 seperate= groups here? I understand that one has grown from the LD list and one had = grown from the Live Looping Forum and/or Mattias=B4s Live Looping.org site.= And I understand the reason for these sites.

LiveLooping.org as Mattias=B4s own "take" on the community wi= th a site that can actually be kept up to date. (The LD site is like a muse= um of html gone by)
And Nicks forum existing for the people that would = rather post to a forum than have the huge amounts of mail that LD can gener= ate...

but I ask.. (imagine "Sex in the City" question typing voice = here)

"Are not the two Facebook sites just serving exactly the = same purpose?"

I notice that everyone is routinely just posting= to both, so what is the point really? I dont really care which survives bu= t shouldn't we consolidate? Or agree to use one?

OR...

We could agree that one is for use as a discussion place o= n Facebook, a perfectly reasonable point as there are many new people in th= e comunity that ONLY arrived due to the FB sites I think, and the OTHER sit= e be for posting songs and videos. Or is it better if they are just muddled= up?

OR...

Do people like it as it is, in which case, fine, just ple= ase explain to me the difference?

Happy New Blah Blah Blah..

= Mark

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf300e54e124716f04b4fca069-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 12:32:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9E81834E2; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 12:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DbyCvryUEHqYgi2lalzH7tQQ9zsNBlNwlogDM4zOuMk=; b=V/u2HVC+IGN6SejLWqP0VfQGBoLwDptFUdjYHXcsJOPEH93xI8vPKQ2Vk28Ajz3NCY c9NxE6q5MB7IrIh+2Ef5otZxWmkZMkNruXKT29orlBVdRQys9i9RFmyVDCoqMGPK+P0B /UsdXdAXhOJJzENxQlvw90MUvEL5eDwLNr798= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:32:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: To my list brethren n sistren! , a little Christmas looping for y'all. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 12:32:08 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:07 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > Here's a private soundcloud link to one of the tunes from my CD, > Outerborough. It's called Icy Sleeves of Green - you can probably tell what > Christmas tune it's around, lol, and I hope you enjoy it. > > http://soundcloud.com/toddreyn/icy-sleeves-of-green/s-YcHmH Lovely piece, Todd! Today I acquired a green Brittish duffel and Icy Sleeves of Green is just what I need in headphones inside that heavy hood. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 16:38:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 756C81834E4; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VIkHabuEBD9DWaOB7AB2DZuKScnJyMJQJgIJfSTWsUI=; b=HNgD+7TT6+oSbyHY2eH7FRFES35ANNzoNQalyifGsHSX9zyMBu1DgfTVI8bNF+6vgr FLLuCCtaGxWg2ZR7Z1W9tWiVmGmcPVfCmCMI/mDBEje8VhrvyQj2CeR5HJy5IvUPqwxI cyewQUTz1apNcxgsQcIWBZ62Oh0I4uyMIhur8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:38:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: To my list brethren n sistren! , a little Christmas looping for y'all. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044787d9aad8c104b50164e3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:38:16 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044787d9aad8c104b50164e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 WONDERFUL piece! -Petri- 2011/12/26 Per Boysen > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:07 AM, todd reynolds > wrote: > > Here's a private soundcloud link to one of the tunes from my CD, > > Outerborough. It's called Icy Sleeves of Green - you can probably tell > what > > Christmas tune it's around, lol, and I hope you enjoy it. > > > > http://soundcloud.com/toddreyn/icy-sleeves-of-green/s-YcHmH > > Lovely piece, Todd! Today I acquired a green Brittish duffel and Icy > Sleeves of Green is just what I need in headphones inside that heavy > hood. > > Per > > -- Petri Lahtinen --f46d044787d9aad8c104b50164e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WONDERFUL piece!

-Petri-

2011= /12/26 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:07 AM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's a private soundcloud link to one of the tunes from my CD, > Outerborough. It's called Icy Sleeves of Green - you can probably = tell what
> Christmas tune it's around, lol, and I hope you enjoy it.
>
> http://soundcloud.com/toddreyn/icy-sleeves-of-green/s-Y= cHmH

Lovely piece, Todd! Today I =A0acquired a green Brittish duffel and I= cy
Sleeves of Green is just what I need in headphones inside that heavy
hood.

Per

--
Petri Lah= tinen

--f46d044787d9aad8c104b50164e3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 16:42:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEE5F1834E9; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=A2UcTYqnMCyvbRz7nbkrq8YBJeIxU9gvvm/gu+j26yY=; b=DCdGhquenywIsxV4XSUoruvBrPOCTW9Eep+7diJYIaVcpZW0tmtRPzI3Z0gBr8F/KV +OlV13CXFTjP1bxSkTEdyQcVtKuY5eOCIipjN6NiL+fo1yEBT3YepeVGmc8NkCJPLUUe VfxK2qpdx2L6/XLasbaajNLjxYynt8DC8Ng8o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:42:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e81cc8817eb04b5017590 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:42:58 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e81cc8817eb04b5017590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As for me, I dropped the FB-thing totally off 3 months ago. No regrets. I continue to praise the simplicity, usefulness of this list. Really hoping people understand fully that not everyone on this list is on Facebook. (ok, there are really few perhaps, but still :-) I would really like to think, that people could honour this list, cause it began all here, and keep the posts flowing here too. Happy New Looping Year 2012 -Petri- 2011/12/26 mark francombe > Happy Christmas everyone... guess you won't hear from me for a while I go= t > a PS3!! > > I have had a chance to check out the Facebook groups Loopers Delight and > Live Looping over my few precious holidays. I am usually a staunch reader > of this LD mailing list, and occasionally follow links to the FB site if = I > want to see someones video? > > So, I am slightly confused. What exactly is the point of the 2 seperate > groups here? I understand that one has grown from the LD list and one had > grown from the Live Looping Forum and/or Mattias=B4s Live Looping.org sit= e. > And I understand the reason for these sites. > > LiveLooping.org as Mattias=B4s own "take" on the community with a site th= at > can actually be kept up to date. (The LD site is like a museum of html go= ne > by) > And Nicks forum existing for the people that would rather post to a forum > than have the huge amounts of mail that LD can generate... > > but I ask.. (imagine "Sex in the City" question typing voice here) > > "Are not the two Facebook sites just serving exactly the same purpose?" > > I notice that everyone is routinely just posting to both, so what is the > point really? I dont really care which survives but shouldn't we > consolidate? Or agree to use one? > > OR... > > We could agree that one is for use as a discussion place on Facebook, a > perfectly reasonable point as there are many new people in the comunity > that ONLY arrived due to the FB sites I think, and the OTHER site be for > posting songs and videos. Or is it better if they are just muddled up? > > OR... > > Do people like it as it is, in which case, fine, just please explain to m= e > the difference? > > Happy New Blah Blah Blah.. > > Mark > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba6e81cc8817eb04b5017590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As for me, I dropped the FB-thing totally off 3 months ago.
No regrets. =

I continue to praise the simplicity, usefulness of this list.
Really hoping people understand fully that not everyone on this list is o= n Facebook.
(ok, there are really few perhaps, but still :-)

I would really like= to think, that people could honour this list, cause it began all here,
= and keep the posts flowing here too.

Happy New Looping Year 2012
-Petri-

2011/12/26 mark francombe <mark@markfranc= ombe.com>

Happy Christmas everyone... guess you won't hear from me for a while I = got a PS3!!

I have had a chance to check out the Facebook groups Loo= pers Delight and Live Looping over my few precious holidays. I am usually a= staunch reader of this LD mailing list, and occasionally follow links to t= he FB site if I want to see someones video?

So, I am slightly confused. What exactly is the point of the 2 seperate= groups here? I understand that one has grown from the LD list and one had = grown from the Live Looping Forum and/or Mattias=B4s Live Looping.org site.= And I understand the reason for these sites.

LiveLooping.org as Mattias=B4s own "take" on the community wi= th a site that can actually be kept up to date. (The LD site is like a muse= um of html gone by)
And Nicks forum existing for the people that would = rather post to a forum than have the huge amounts of mail that LD can gener= ate...

but I ask.. (imagine "Sex in the City" question typing voice = here)

"Are not the two Facebook sites just serving exactly the = same purpose?"

I notice that everyone is routinely just posting= to both, so what is the point really? I dont really care which survives bu= t shouldn't we consolidate? Or agree to use one?

OR...

We could agree that one is for use as a discussion place o= n Facebook, a perfectly reasonable point as there are many new people in th= e comunity that ONLY arrived due to the FB sites I think, and the OTHER sit= e be for posting songs and videos. Or is it better if they are just muddled= up?

OR...

Do people like it as it is, in which case, fine, just ple= ase explain to me the difference?

Happy New Blah Blah Blah..

Mark

--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>

--
Petri Lah= tinen

--90e6ba6e81cc8817eb04b5017590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 17:22:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F3981834EE; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 17:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aysmhtjmoX+JQIOt0J9OEuE/68zlZVOTHUBU0KU1CcY=; b=AX8CIcHPJmfcI1WnjLGcJgQMinsXC23dkLmBcGvP8iPabaM6x1qtR9iw2Kc8ALuTMA olOkrllPbEwo0qdBMXYcdhQkT29eYBy7X/47bphu26q+IW90SomTdt1jZOh41LNZha9K vo7wgZvkOqkZg8W9Cue07O2ZV1HZaXF02NusU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:21:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb091015ab804b502018d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 17:22:02 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb091015ab804b502018d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > "Are not the two Facebook sites just serving exactly the same purpose?" > Actually, the answer is yes, since I saw posts duplicated on both pages > I dont really care which survives but shouldn't we consolidate? Or agree > to use one? > I have the same opinion. Would like to use just one. I think that duplication could be confusing for newbies... > > Happy New Blah Blah Blah.. Same to you, Mark ! ;-) -f www.eterogeneo.com > > > Mark > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --20cf300fb091015ab804b502018d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Are= not the two Facebook sites just serving exactly the same purpose?"

Actually, the answer is yes, since I saw posts duplicat= ed on both pages

=A0

=A0I dont really care which survives but shouldn't we consolidate? Or a= gree to use one?

I have the same opinio= n. Would like to use just one. I think that duplication could be confusing = for newbies...

=A0

Happy New Blah Blah Blah..=

Same to you, Mark !

;-)

-f

www.etero= geneo.com

=A0

Mark

--
<= i style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,255,255);background= -color:rgb(0,0,0)">Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--20cf300fb091015ab804b502018d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 23:17:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60EE1834ED; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=N65btZccExgbQQCjg4Jj1nRchYi+N6dUUaXvuN5rUYQ=; b=wCWoY0dQRzSI91U+GhU1lZ4fPR++8SKoJswoNueszpuFfwbkW5WJshKcTcYxB1w9jj HwX6+xYYpuZBQpuSOUsmxTuN8D3OXrO/fqLdBHUE+BRHGoZ9QL4PJURQmcsHWHabpNpA kLE9WkoKqXtpQAlKcUiv9Cd1N4/nkvsdHZIIk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:17:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:17:04 +0000 (UTC) I"ve subscribed to the facebook group and I get notified by email when someone posts there. Gmail puts nice labels and keeps these posts together with the regular LD stuff, so for me there's no distinction between the two. It all comes to my inbox and gets organized by gmail. I answer facebook and mailing list in gmail... It comes down to what people want to use to communicate (mailing list or facebook), I'll listen either way. Couple issues that comes to mind: 1- The cross-posting is annoying 2- message archiving is no longer controlled by someone from the community 3- LD archive shows up in google searches and anyone can access the messages without signing up... compare and contrast with facebook [insert appropriate seasonal greeting here] Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 06:31:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33FCD1834D4; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 06:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3Mm2UJIUktZFKf76mv+ZKO+DRutyxsXG4wMr3GVgovs=; b=REMMVAJYn4iATtK4krwHgsB41aCpIBjIj78ftovuhXAlkx3Bw2dcYRKoot6D6GpmGa vBwW5jpDIMvqBPzmQwXvB6UwxZU7Xenuf2q/+ikMoa0a0EYPUDWKrSeKyZNXF28NwF+C 3bNetEZSAAJ+Y9WKYqaaCoD4WBvGTppGvBO1o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 01:31:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399dcd4a776a04b50d0955 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 06:31:43 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9399dcd4a776a04b50d0955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For me, it seems the email list allows for more in-depth discussion both on and off of the list (as in: address others directly by email vs. facebook) Facebook seems to be more brief, less serious in many respects. Email allows for personally archiving information and collating it in various ways (personalized folders, labels etc.) --14dae9399dcd4a776a04b50d0955 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For me, it seems the email list allows for more in-depth discussion both on= and off of the list (as in: address others directly by email vs. facebook)= =A0

Facebook seems to be more brief, less serious in man= y respects.=A0

Email allows for personally archiving information and c= ollating it in various ways (personalized folders, labels etc.)=A0

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--14dae9399dcd4a776a04b50d0955-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 10:33:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CF761834D7; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Zx+3gwAgiYNaKpidWFSiwPgmzgJ/J0/8VrbaT1089KA=; b=X8vZ62VkVfUQmIJxISy02JF3BvOxGLOwZKAf3kKvDTqlCAL6k/IOEPs4wK6346XnyR VMMMqv/woFXd6vLebK0xdOZ2zuHnfgfwCTI5rdFo0RIAr0MGRW2bmycubWL4mGx+AAfk R5XCWqlZXn3ujyjEpmfCtVaF82rcfvxRSQn14= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References:

From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:32:59 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: W5CjBgnxnp_pjCeUeHLwrwhqKUw Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303dd31274756a04b5106961 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:33:20 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303dd31274756a04b5106961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before my point gets derailed completely.. Please guys just check my original post. I was NOT making any points regarding the differences between either the LD mailing list, the Live Looping Forum, OR the Facebook groups, those advantages and disadvantages are well known and over-discussed. (I for one welcome that Facebook has nearly taken all the YouTube/Soundcloud spam posts. Although I LOVE to hear what you guys are doing, I=B4m afraid as a general rule I dont have time to check out everyone's offerings, so them dissapearing to Facebook is just good for me. Leaving the list for more looping philosophy and discussion. It is these things that we really have in common, not so in much musical taste. I watch clips often to admire the looping, but often not the music ha ha..sorry.. sure you guys can take it..) Anyway... I was just commenting that there are TWO Facebook accounts, and that everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is what I dont see the point in. Sylvain, William and Petri, you seem to have missed my point. Sorry if I was unclear, but Fabio seemed to get it. Mark On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 7:31 AM, william middlemiss < billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote: > For me, it seems the email list allows for more in-depth discussion both > on and off of the list (as in: address others directly by email vs. > facebook) --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303dd31274756a04b5106961 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before my point gets derailed completely.. Please guys just check my origin= al post.
I was NOT making any points regarding the differences between e= ither the LD mailing list, the Live Looping Forum, OR the Facebook groups, = those advantages and disadvantages are well known and over-discussed.

(I for one welcome that Facebook has nearly taken all the YouTube/Sound= cloud spam posts. Although I LOVE to hear what you guys are doing, I=B4m af= raid as a general rule I dont have time to check out everyone's offerin= gs, so them dissapearing to Facebook is just good for me. Leaving the list = for more looping philosophy and discussion. It is these things that we real= ly have in common, not so in much musical taste. I watch clips often to adm= ire the looping, but often not the music ha ha..sorry.. sure you guys can t= ake it..)

Anyway...
I was just commenting that there are TWO Facebook accounts= , and that everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is what I dont see = the point in.

Sylvain, William and Petri, you seem to have missed m= y point. Sorry if I was unclear, but Fabio seemed to get it.

Mark

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at = 7:31 AM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:
For me, it seems the email list allows for more in-depth discussion both on= and off of the list (as in: address others directly by email vs. facebook)= =A0

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 07:18:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041b47e822a98b04b511e1a4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:18:24 +0000 (UTC) --f46d041b47e822a98b04b511e1a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah! Sorry Mark, I was unaware there were multiple Facebook groups... That does seem excessively redundant. Sylvain On Tuesday, December 27, 2011, mark francombe wrote: > Before my point gets derailed completely.. Please guys just check my original post. > I was NOT making any points regarding the differences between either the LD mailing list, the Live Looping Forum, OR the Facebook groups, those advantages and disadvantages are well known and over-discussed. > > (I for one welcome that Facebook has nearly taken all the YouTube/Soundcloud spam posts. Although I LOVE to hear what you guys are doing, I=B4m afraid as a general rule I dont have time to check out everyone's offerings, so them dissapearing to Facebook is just good for me. Leaving the list for more looping philosophy and discussion. It is these things that we really have in common, not so in much musical taste. I watch clips often to admire the looping, but often not the music ha ha..sorry.. sure you guys can take it..) > > Anyway... > I was just commenting that there are TWO Facebook accounts, and that everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is what I dont see the point in. > > Sylvain, William and Petri, you seem to have missed my point. Sorry if I was unclear, but Fabio seemed to get it. > > Mark > > > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 7:31 AM, william middlemiss < billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> For me, it seems the email list allows for more in-depth discussion both on and off of the list (as in: address others directly by email vs. facebook) > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --f46d041b47e822a98b04b511e1a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah!
Sorry Mark, I was unaware there were multiple Facebook groups... =A0= That does seem excessively redundant.
Sylvain

On Tuesday, Decemb= er 27, 2011, mark francombe <m= ark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Before my point gets derailed completely.. Please guys just check my o= riginal post.
> I was NOT making any points regarding the differences= between either the LD mailing list, the Live Looping Forum, OR the Faceboo= k groups, those advantages and disadvantages are well known and over-discus= sed.
>
> (I for one welcome that Facebook has nearly taken all the YouT= ube/Soundcloud spam posts. Although I LOVE to hear what you guys are doing,= I=B4m afraid as a general rule I dont have time to check out everyone'= s offerings, so them dissapearing to Facebook is just good for me. Leaving = the list for more looping philosophy and discussion. It is these things tha= t we really have in common, not so in much musical taste. I watch clips oft= en to admire the looping, but often not the music ha ha..sorry.. sure you g= uys can take it..)
>
> Anyway...
> I was just commenting that there are TWO Fac= ebook accounts, and that everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is wh= at I dont see the point in.
>
> Sylvain, William and Petri, you= seem to have missed my point. Sorry if I was unclear, but Fabio seemed to = get it.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 7= :31 AM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For me, i= t seems the email list allows for more in-depth discussion both on and off = of the list (as in: address others directly by email vs. facebook)=A0
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitte= r @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>
> --f46d041b47e822a98b04b511e1a4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 17:38:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D841C1834D4; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CuZfaJ+bimryXb5XoraVMesUksnr2CE0Pq2YCtSxics=; b=HecJZzf2gn01Q/nd3ZKV1DGpcLiXD0wb9xo1fSP9870gfk7sYKDhWOCoV9Uvh0LPx5 j67tx/U9LZ0nuZt5hyOoqRzYCbe+FLJZcqCZnaOKp4ZAhS/NIi3b1I4v6s0IibuWs4ZG QM6hnIA9AWnx3nwT5Dn81DpaQ1T1dOS183N9M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:38:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044787d91a215c04b516594f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:38:16 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044787d91a215c04b516594f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "3- LD archive shows up in google searches and anyone can access the messages without signing up... compare and contrast with facebook" I have never thought these messages here are private in any way. And neither in the FB! I think its GOOD that archive and all the wisdom of this list is available for ANYONE in the net, this is not a secret society, am I right? :-) -Petri- 2011/12/27 Sylvain Poitras > Ah! > Sorry Mark, I was unaware there were multiple Facebook groups... That > does seem excessively redundant. > Sylvain > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2011, mark francombe > wrote: > > Before my point gets derailed completely.. Please guys just check my > original post. > > I was NOT making any points regarding the differences between either th= e > LD mailing list, the Live Looping Forum, OR the Facebook groups, those > advantages and disadvantages are well known and over-discussed. > > > > (I for one welcome that Facebook has nearly taken all the > YouTube/Soundcloud spam posts. Although I LOVE to hear what you guys are > doing, I=B4m afraid as a general rule I dont have time to check out > everyone's offerings, so them dissapearing to Facebook is just good for m= e. > Leaving the list for more looping philosophy and discussion. It is these > things that we really have in common, not so in much musical taste. I wat= ch > clips often to admire the looping, but often not the music ha ha..sorry.. > sure you guys can take it..) > > > > Anyway... > > I was just commenting that there are TWO Facebook accounts, and that > everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is what I dont see the point > in. > > > > Sylvain, William and Petri, you seem to have missed my point. Sorry if = I > was unclear, but Fabio seemed to get it. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 7:31 AM, william middlemiss < > billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> For me, it seems the email list allows for more in-depth discussion > both on and off of the list (as in: address others directly by email vs. > facebook) > > > > -- > > Mark Francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --f46d044787d91a215c04b516594f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "3- LD archive shows up in google searches and anyone can access the messages without signing up... compare and contrast with facebook"
=
I have never thought these messages here are private in any way.
And= neither in the FB!

I think its GOOD that archive and all the wisdo= m of this list
is available for ANYONE in the net, this is not a secret society, am I righ= t? :-)

-Petri-

2011/12/27 Sylvain = Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>

Ah!
Sorry Mark, I was unaware there were = multiple Facebook groups... =A0That does seem excessively redundant.
Sylvain

On Tu= esday, December 27, 2011, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Before my point gets derailed completely.. Please guys just check my o= riginal post.
> I was NOT making any points regarding the differences= between either the LD mailing list, the Live Looping Forum, OR the Faceboo= k groups, those advantages and disadvantages are well known and over-discus= sed.
>
> (I for one welcome that Facebook has nearly taken all the YouT= ube/Soundcloud spam posts. Although I LOVE to hear what you guys are doing,= I=B4m afraid as a general rule I dont have time to check out everyone'= s offerings, so them dissapearing to Facebook is just good for me. Leaving = the list for more looping philosophy and discussion. It is these things tha= t we really have in common, not so in much musical taste. I watch clips oft= en to admire the looping, but often not the music ha ha..sorry.. sure you g= uys can take it..)
>
> Anyway...
> I was just commenting that there are TWO Fac= ebook accounts, and that everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is wh= at I dont see the point in.
>
> Sylvain, William and Petri, you= seem to have missed my point. Sorry if I was unclear, but Fabio seemed to = get it.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 7= :31 AM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For me, it seems the email list allows for more in-depth discussio= n both on and off of the list (as in: address others directly by email vs. = facebook)=A0
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
>= ; http://vimeo.co= m/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478= 662@N00/
>
>

--
Petri Lahti= nen

--f46d044787d91a215c04b516594f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 17:39:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 567A61834D2; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=L52hYu2Gmyos4ZwfxX0L57HmTQ5TqS/jMxCT89ndcoc=; b=KVt925Hs0aQ2NJVmGubvfCpQZ5/T//EOGypctCMSK3ID9X9KQoUjvi0KKVKZ4W3C7J ZvvRcxsvV6WRur8QaFEgCmK+MHixYKnrkzGJuYr3rm2jUuxdB8V+lD/Yx5SWEbWX/F4u 4wAug8J2Sy3bNhagimTuu9MT0FwHYFRepukPQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:39:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934110d38a2f304b5165fed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:39:59 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934110d38a2f304b5165fed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And sorry Mark to lead the conversation away from your original post about 2 groups in FB. In nutshell -> to me the mailing list is all good - no need to improve or hassle with the social networking sites. -Petri- --14dae934110d38a2f304b5165fed Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 And sorry Mark to lead the conversation away from your original post about 2 groups in FB.
In nutshell -> to me the mailing list is all good - no need to improve or hassle with the social networking sites.

-Petri-
--14dae934110d38a2f304b5165fed-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 17:56:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 733EF1834D7; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iAMUh0ZdOUYEMXs4yYeDEeLt6Deu8NEytICF83tBG5k=; b=IhcKSkwzeMBc6U5RU6Iic+pASCrwbutWU4dkJY6Uv3I3htNe4WQNcpH1PKJfMM/htO Y4svRp3ml4GtONHbkVvfEdJ9NeGczRghg8reyncE/Vhu4wofBHtMA+jqFxJMxA4a6Cdp lHCiofkJ1dYPMJ39gtTIU5H8fA4b2cvlpB96Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:56:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93405378e6de504b5169b3e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93405378e6de504b5169b3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 " Anyway... I was just commenting that there are TWO Facebook accounts, and that everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is what I dont see the point in. Sylvain, William and Petri, you seem to have missed my point. Sorry if I was unclear, but Fabio seemed to get it. " Youre correct. I did not infer that from your message. My apologies. --14dae93405378e6de504b5169b3e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "
Anyway...
I was just commenting that there are TWO Facebook accounts, and tha= t everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is what I dont see the point= in.=A0

Sylvain, William and Petri, you seem to= have missed my point. Sorry if I was unclear, but Fabio seemed to get it.<= /span>=A0"

Youre correct. I did not infer that from your message. My ap= ologies.=A0

--14dae93405378e6de504b5169b3e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 19:50:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C39891834D7; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hXz9fFXLxRF/t76gLq58YhOFDQzrcbro6ZE+7qPFZfs=; b=BDKXO55Gxw9nFD8MLbT5nl1apxFHVsz8BSPI+hIJ5dPNamWcop22nLebNPqRbjm6nB iE+XrV1GQsTHCldI5ySqWPi173Z5UmxYtbzkIzGllqxA5PIpFXbaJUWaRb/ZDx+s70qG kKY6wdK5cjG7phkrqrvEProESIDYPvzRcRfJE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:50:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93411ef0f41ce04b5183195 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:50:14 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93411ef0f41ce04b5183195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No William, I'm not missing your point - I second you on your opinions! -Petri- 2011/12/27 william middlemiss > " > Anyway... > I was just commenting that there are TWO Facebook accounts, and that > everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is what I dont see the point > in. > > Sylvain, William and Petri, you seem to have missed my point. Sorry if I > was unclear, but Fabio seemed to get it. " > > Youre correct. I did not infer that from your message. My apologies. > > -- Petri Lahtinen --14dae93411ef0f41ce04b5183195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No William, I'm not missing your point - I second you on your opinions!=

-Petri-

2011/12/27 william middle= miss <bil= lymiddlemiss@gmail.com>

"
Anyway...
I was just commenting that there are TWO Facebook accoun= ts, and that everyone seems to be posting to both... THAT is what I dont se= e the point in.=A0

Sylvain, William and Petri, you seem to= have missed my point. Sorry if I was unclear, but Fabio seemed to get it.<= /span>=A0"

Youre correct. I did not infer that from your message.= My apologies.=A0

--
Petri Lahtinen

<= br> --14dae93411ef0f41ce04b5183195-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 19:51:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6938A1834D8; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=93wxOuvaZMpN/c+GlHX/jpaJlElxNa4fZNL73ljGarQ=; b=GsluHh6TC1180vtkwwNTVkVjtRa+qy/eGOUJCVeCtj55I0521O4+Eqy+38L+n5M9j2 h7ptdv9JlYRPzcIvpjyTcSksRfm0jsBSJWHDRW1ixFLXQ/YtmJ1YrlGTom9LJvCXaNM0 OmRJE2vdxFngIkvxGWuETOz3f3kWpTPCK9bI8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:51:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The role of the mailing list and the FB sites. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93404c5bfbebc04b5183495 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:51:16 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93404c5bfbebc04b5183495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And now already mixing stuff - :-) maybe the facebook is better in the end? NO it wont be. :-D -Petri- --14dae93404c5bfbebc04b5183495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And now already mixing stuff - :-)=A0 maybe the facebook is better in the e= nd?
NO it wont be. :-D

-Petri-
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