From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 00:51:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 612ED183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 00:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gs00tuc4xZcE09HTcq30HoT+NAT425OlSXk/213eT2k=; b=UU5DDNx4J9TOaAVQixnldTYUXO9UdOamf2P2L/QMTpEU7ZiJv2jl/DlZxDB6lxqPtY f4gFMAXqTdrwn3SZwjKOEjS3DmZGG1c2QniBjtxcU98BiULHzrAut9rstjwypVABZlcg bsm9mv4TRifH60qjLllhnZzTjOxuRlfk8X33c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4E357E45.8060306@soundscapes.us> References: <4E357E45.8060306@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 01:51:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Galactic Travels Top 20 Report for July, 2011. From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302acf9cfea65a04a967064e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 00:51:12 +0000 (UTC) --20cf302acf9cfea65a04a967064e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the airplay, Bill. On Jul 31, 2011 5:09 PM, "Bill Fox" wrote: > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/top20-07jul.html > > WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for July, 2011. > Shows #744 to #747; 7-July-2011 to 28-July-2011 > Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. > > The Special Focus for July was J=FCrgen Haible. > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jul > > > ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Aria Rostami - Form - FatCat > J=FCrgen Haible - Dark November - none > J=FCrgen Haible - Holiday In Purgatory - none > J=FCrgen Haible - Of Eagles and Prophets - none > J=FCrgen Haible - The Secret Life of Trees - none > M. Peck - Beneath Forever - Earth Mantra > Mario Scholwalder and Frank Rothe - Filter-Kaffee 101 - SynGate > Memory Geist - Benthos - DiN DDL > Mystified - Bone Drones 3 - Mystified Music > Paragate - Stillness in the Mirror - Auraltone > Radio Massacre International - City 21 - Northern Echo > Ray Carl Daye - Echoes from the Aether - none > Saul Stokes - Sleek Nucleus - Stokesmusic > Sensitive Chaos - Seeker After Patterns - Subsequent > Steve Roach and Eric W=F8llo - The Road Eternal - Projekt > Steve Rose - The Diminishingg Day - none > Surreal Realm - Ominous Ambience - none > Takahashi Suzuki - Resonance - none > Various Artists - A Little More Night Music - AD Music > signalsundertests - mecca - none > > Bill > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, > Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and > Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in > Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio > on 88.1 FM. > Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info > Listen to WDIY on-line. > --20cf302acf9cfea65a04a967064e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the airplay, Bill.

On Jul 31, 2011 5:09 PM, "Bill Fox" &l= t;billyfox@soundscapes.us>= ; wrote:
> http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/20= 11/top20-07jul.html
>
> WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for July, 20= 11.
> Shows #744 to #747; 7-July-2011 to 28-July-2011
> Reporte= d in non-ranked, alphanumeric order.
>
> The Special Focus for= July was J=FCrgen Haible.
> = http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jul
>
&= gt;
> ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Aria Rostami - Form - FatCat
> J=FCrgen Haible - Dark November -= none
> J=FCrgen Haible - Holiday In Purgatory - none
> J=FCrge= n Haible - Of Eagles and Prophets - none
> J=FCrgen Haible - The Secr= et Life of Trees - none
> M. Peck - Beneath Forever - Earth Mantra
> Mario Scholwalder and= Frank Rothe - Filter-Kaffee 101 - SynGate
> Memory Geist - Benthos -= DiN DDL
> Mystified - Bone Drones 3 - Mystified Music
> Paraga= te - Stillness in the Mirror - Auraltone
> Radio Massacre International - City 21 - Northern Echo
> Ray Car= l Daye - Echoes from the Aether - none
> Saul Stokes - Sleek Nucleus = - Stokesmusic
> Sensitive Chaos - Seeker After Patterns - Subsequent<= br> > Steve Roach and Eric W=F8llo - The Road Eternal - Projekt
> Stev= e Rose - The Diminishingg Day - none
> Surreal Realm - Ominous Ambien= ce - none
> Takahashi Suzuki - Resonance - none
> Various Artis= ts - A Little More Night Music - AD Music
> signalsundertests - mecca - none
>
> Bill
> =3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Host o= f Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
> Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
&g= t; Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
>= Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
> on 88.1 FM.
> Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info
> Listen to WDIY on-= line.
>
--20cf302acf9cfea65a04a967064e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 03:14:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A6D183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 03:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fK3o6l0ZckQEVQhlNnUKOsvaoLZWodPbM/a3IHT7hqW7kj/6XzP2tOm5QuT7ccy2; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4E35E3FC.8020300@cruzio.com> References: <4E35E3FC.8020300@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 23:13:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Installing Win XP on a Macbook Pro using Boot Camp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-899954058==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7923e050901d81da67f0c6d4613953fcd7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 03:14:00 +0000 (UTC) --============_-899954058==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Rick, OSX can be set up on a very small partition indeed, it has a very small footprint: Apple recommend a minimum of just 7GB..! I've got a dual boot setup on my MacBook, the entire internal drive is only 80GB, so I would say that with a 500GB drive you could safely partition as much as 493GB to XP, but I'd recommend giving OSX something more generous, for the eventuality that you find something useful on OSX. -Chuck At 16:23 -0700 31/7/11, Rick Walker wrote: >Hi folks, > >I just got a secondary internal hard drive (500g) for my >Mac Book Pro > >*Model Name: MacBook Pro > Model Identifier: MacBookPro3,1 > Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo > Processor Speed: 2.6 GHz > Number Of Processors: 1 > Total Number Of Cores: 2 > L2 Cache: 4 MB > Memory: 2 GB > Bus Speed: 800 MHz > Boot ROM Version: MBP31.0070.B07* > >What I would love to do is to install Win XP Pro Service Pack 2 onto >this harddrive using Boot Camp >along with OS X on a separate and, hopefully, very small partition. > >The goal is to have as large a partition possible for Win XP and as >small a partition as possible for OSX. > >I've discovered that swapping out harddrives is very simple and >takes very little time, so I have a 320gb HD >running OSX on one harddrive as a back up. > >Does anyone have any advice for me in terms of what the smallest >partition I can get away with for a >very, very stripped down version of OSX (mostly for e-mail and >simple browsing)? > >I'm very nervous about doing this, but I think it will be the >perfect solution for me (and save me hundreds of dollars that >I just don't have now by not having to go out and buy a Win XP >exclusive laptop). > >Just so you know, my mind's made up about wanting to use WIN XP >(mostly because of the presence of FL Studio Pro, Vegas Video, Sony >Sound Forge and >Sony Acid) so please don't try to dissuade me from my course for >all the typical Mac-centric reasons that people tend to have. >I KNOW it's virus free and runs really simply and elegantly compared >to WIN XP. I still want to do this in this fashion. > >I just need to figure out how to do this if anyone has any experience with it. > >Thanks so much for all of your advice in advance. I really appreciate it. > >yours, Rick Walker -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-899954058==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Advice Sought: Installing Win XP on a Macbook Pro usin
Hi Rick,
OSX can be set up on a very small partition indeed, it has a very small footprint:

Apple recommend a minimum of just 7GB..!

I've got a dual boot setup on my MacBook, the entire internal drive is only 80GB, so I would say that with a 500GB drive you could safely partition as much as 493GB to XP, but I'd recommend giving OSX something more generous, for the eventuality that you find something useful on OSX.

-Chuck


At 16:23 -0700 31/7/11, Rick Walker wrote:
Hi folks,

I just got a secondary internal hard drive (500g) for my
Mac Book Pro

*Model Name:    MacBook Pro
  Model Identifier:    MacBookPro3,1
  Processor Name:    Intel Core 2 Duo
  Processor Speed:    2.6 GHz
  Number Of Processors:    1
  Total Number Of Cores:    2
  L2 Cache:    4 MB
  Memory:    2 GB
  Bus Speed:    800 MHz
  Boot ROM Version:    MBP31.0070.B07*

What I would love to do is to install Win XP Pro Service Pack 2 onto this harddrive using Boot Camp
along with OS X on a separate and, hopefully, very small partition.

The goal is to have as large a partition possible for Win XP and as small a partition as possible for OSX.

I've discovered that swapping out harddrives is very simple and takes very little time, so I have a 320gb HD
running OSX on one harddrive as a back up.

Does anyone have any advice for me in terms of what the smallest partition I can get away with for a
very, very stripped down version of OSX (mostly for e-mail and simple browsing)?

I'm very nervous about doing this,  but I think it will be the perfect solution for me (and save me hundreds of dollars that
I just don't have now by not having to go out and buy a Win XP exclusive laptop).

Just so you know, my mind's made up about wanting to use WIN XP (mostly because of the presence of FL Studio Pro, Vegas Video, Sony Sound Forge and
Sony Acid)  so please don't try to dissuade me from my course for all the typical Mac-centric reasons that people tend to have.
I KNOW it's virus free and runs really simply and elegantly compared to WIN XP.    I still want to do this in this fashion.

I just need to figure out how to do this if anyone has any experience with it.

Thanks so much for all of your advice in advance.  I really appreciate it.

yours,   Rick Walker


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-899954058==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 06:25:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01443183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 06:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=n1NlixYnkIvFBJ9TMbWq1Rh239a0MtdHepAxYK1302g=; b=nqApY6yfAQBmwl8U3eA/vwxUJNnodhoofs62u3vCkr/rQdwmZqNgI+L6kdkVxYlxlx yXYVpNSzRRkGyxjmVV/RxWi78LHNGDtWmoXVKEMgjt9A0HcNDw0dcc5m5esbPmR/tiRd KLs8mqpJh6cak/PM5vSNm8YTQ+vJRInGt0shg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:25:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Just ordered my Boomerang Sidecar From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 06:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Hey Brian, are all the functions then completely controllable with the sidecar or is there a link to read about that? man the thing aint cheap for a simple switch controller! cheers Luis On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Brian Carabee wrote: > I just got off the phone with Mike Nelson and he's sending me out a nice new > Sidecar on Monday. > > He's truly a great guy to do business with. I spoke with him for about a > half hour, talking about his products and the state of the live music scene > here in NY and down there in TX. The thing that strikes me is that he > doesn't try to rush you off the phone. He connects in a very genuine way and > that's very refreshing in this day and age. Living in NY, it's rare that I > get to slow down and connect. > > I can't wait to get my delivery. Finally I'll have all the functionality of > the Boomerang at my disposal without having to bend over during a gig to > change functions. Hate the bending. > > The nice thing about ordering from Mike is that you know you're going to get > a quality, tough, and well-engineered product. Experience has proven that. > > If anyone is considering a Boomerang, I give it my highest praise, > especially now that the sidecar is here. The unit is tough, VERY forgiving > with input levels, has great flat and quiet short-throw footswitches, and > three modes of operation (Serial, free sync, and free). The sound is > pristine. > > Well, I guess I'm just saying things that have all been said before, but it > is very rare indeed that I will publically sing the praises of a product > because there are always flaws that annoy me. Not so with the 'Rang. I guess > I'm just a bit excited about the impending arrival of my new Sidecar. > > Brian > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 07:26:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C12E2183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4E365512.00E7,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=0CFlzyUYaGpUH5FsfLIL2TrHPqo7/PudDySCaHPmo5c= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=aLTD5cfm-UrGQNQvA6QA:9 a=Ai-az-MAO6kKfsLtQbEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=DN6xoAKHe5qzZfKd:21 a=hnC76EXTy9ndst51:21 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Boomerang with Sidecar Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 00:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcxQE82L1oUNtE2FTtCrM0pyy4vt+AAB7+gg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Hey Luis-- There are more functions than there are switches for-- Furthermore, three of the 5 switches are dedicated--Stack (overdub), Play-Stop All, and Erase/Erase All. That leaves two "Bonus" switches that you can assign to reverse, fade, half speed etc. There are four loops on the 'Rang but loop 4 doesn't have its own switch--you have to assign a bonus switch. I used mine on the gig tonight for the first time--it's not the perfect looper but the timing on the multiple loops is rock solid, and the sound is very good. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com] Hey Brian, are all the functions then completely controllable with the sidecar or is there a link to read about that? man the thing aint cheap for a simple switch controller! cheers Luis On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Brian Carabee wrote: > I just got off the phone with Mike Nelson and he's sending me out a nice new > Sidecar on Monday. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 07:59:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4B28183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZdJ0HACszLlB+Nez2b7i+wL/eR2E5K9+mprGoVjHIYI=; b=TmIbpBlmYmx/cZshTTNC2xnU4LiTo72OkV5mzyY8fjPqL+uRuYZVk0xxV4LS7xg87t 8GstZaFiNnqWhit9ywAHC0kewNbULmWIi7PYPCOfD9oKfipPWODm9en5yWtAQtuVbP4Q lH85BjVdz3r3tIBLSn3Bfp9h1cUzMM/lrr5Mw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 09:59:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Gary,yes i found a link i think you or somebdy sent recently with a pic of it and was looking at the assigned buttons. Do you mind sharing with us What you didnt like about it? i wish they d carry it here to test it. Thanx man Luis On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hey Luis-- > There are more functions than there are switches for-- > Furthermore, three of the 5 switches are dedicated--Stack (overdub), > Play-Stop All, and Erase/Erase All. That leaves two "Bonus" switches that > you can assign to reverse, fade, half speed etc. > There are four loops on the 'Rang but loop 4 doesn't have its own > switch--you have to assign a bonus switch. > I used mine on the gig tonight for the first time--it's not the perfect > looper but the timing on the multiple loops is rock solid, and the sound is > very good. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com] > > Hey Brian, > are all the functions then completely controllable with the sidecar or > is there a link to read about that? > man the thing aint cheap for a simple switch controller! > cheers > Luis > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Brian Carabee wrote: >> I just got off the phone with Mike Nelson and he's sending me out a nice > new >> Sidecar on Monday. >> > > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 10:05:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FC29183460; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lsz7vLKHDeIa09PbICGjKR1q2mnF7QTnz8TR7X+cGG8=; b=hBq4knZWxme9b80lUIyw98n+mFM2KAN/jeocT+cE2tBK/lYYvD6xvWhEURNJhT0qTd dQSmytoKuvvq52npDDVjju4nlNnZNnCS0Odr1B1pr5RAzK3vbsjIQ+s/k2XiFXVKZJbP pj1v4YP/tuuRE9/eJaN4Oq0t7UinaXTsbr4ww= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <663647E4-C5BC-41CC-A902-463A1394B60C@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:05:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP prices going up From: andy soto To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4b34e2d62cc04a96ec42a Resent-Message-ID: <3n_CyD.A.jME.WpnNOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:05:10 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd4b34e2d62cc04a96ec42a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Evoloop site is down On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:43 AM, marcus kirby wrote: > More info on evoloop, I.e. how many lopps? Bought my first edp4 for $400 > about five years ago. Bought another edp4 for $600 a few months ago. I'm > stockpilin them! > On Jul 30, 2011 10:35 PM, "Phil Clevenger" > wrote: > --000e0cd4b34e2d62cc04a96ec42a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Evoloop site is down

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011= at 5:43 AM, marcus kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com> wrote:

More info on evoloop, I.e. how many lopps? Bought my first edp4 for $400= about five years ago. Bought another edp4 for $600 a few months ago. I'= ;m stockpilin them!

On Jul 30, 2011 10:35 PM, "Phil Clevenger&q= uot; <phil= .clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:

--000e0cd4b34e2d62cc04a96ec42a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 16:09:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB7FA183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 230145.88703.bm@omp1045.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1312214985; bh=xNgeXNXMmWWLRmK12BXHwFTqOAwcDrg88QinGXrVKsM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PKAaH3571NtuLP/Iglniy2nvJhevWX2uN0HDhPXF+pB/D2qD3YEDcWMYQs6I1qSGyN83RNUnaumuTAfeQxOa8GvZw8AM8okyrfvzDUCnkjD9Fojn5MaPl+1k101aKXjYALstPUtsUFyggt5oCVtoEVqv5pu8SJz8/1IXZsIWHQ8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EBy7ItRVx6WnbNWqhCeQsCTS0yFWldoVr1342lCko+J51TjaGWGmMf8nji3sb9jbpQnePs2TyP+qpoygDMyJjknytJ6InDQpSzSd6wZw2MWRebsn4QTtvAboOj05LF93NbA9ipI4RpLQ19rMjWIxvoQqUzvaZj3eFT2bYS6SMCE=; X-YMail-OSG: ESvGYHEVM1njJwsoloVZ4UsDXfy167U1VfH3FMOxc9j2hGT Murigr6YPvruo0RnaHj.zeYQ3e8aGkD.3KKarQdfCjH4.X1o9cqlHiyeofbf X.cbutwRcRZGpkckg3IHNNYxPe4xSZDDsYMD2hwhrt6r85Jab5nymuONggGI lrGUJdQo.tiLrzg9w24IJcEpdAQanSHqBE6Vsv1XCuY1NG1WRGXler5zu2MR kra0JALomj8p7tBjTZZZWyLfix59RecL4UH_l8a0Br094_tdNHUnA9.8dfiV 5bUdGWjipGMUcRiJCScHr0KTEy3BrpeATZLGvyNNlOz1EtHI8CtzGb9Z3Vt9 Pt4v9VKfp.E2oV333s0MFSwuHdA1J0ZHuvbbPW7qWXUhG20_siTfXkq6J.RU bVyag8DskUJ0H X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.310352 Message-ID: <1312214985.59611.YahooMailClassic@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 09:09:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: PC on an imac To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I bought an Imac a year or so ago, 550 G disc, 4G ram. It says it has parralels or somethignto that effect. I've only used the thing for 5 or 6 hours, toying with garage band. Do I just go in and click on something to bring up the PC part? I'm assuming it came already in the computer. Any advise on this would be greatly appreciated, such as how to switch between the 2, how to work a plug in for windows while simultaneously running mac plug-ins, etc. Rig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 16:19:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AA19183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gSbYCg9rFwE3I0kJYmiBFAyqAISVG3s6stkPuyBvGRM=; b=hs3yePbPbT+2GVcF8skKWjO54Ui6oeO3fN6qg7KcFbfHxvNtpOrCLskunJVbg3FB6u notaaerZnw9CqyJL24eFCBMMsA6MTB9Sd1LtlY1SXP8ILch/zufsdDicOoPnM6KqbWVf kK7QMpF+t/SwdsQg7uHVcY7kkT9Gi3lzWC8Qk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1312214985.59611.YahooMailClassic@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1312214985.59611.YahooMailClassic@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:19:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PC on an imac From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Have you tried looking for an application named Parallels? Just a wild idea= ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:09 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > =C2=A0I bought an Imac a year or so ago, 550 G disc, 4G ram. It says it h= as parralels or somethignto that effect. I've only used the thing for 5 or = 6 hours, toying with garage band. Do I just go in and click on something to= bring up the PC part? I'm assuming it came already in the computer. Any ad= vise on this would be greatly appreciated, such as how to switch between th= e 2, how to work a plug in for windows while simultaneously running mac plu= g-ins, etc. > Rig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 16:39:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7A118345E; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eKiUwQKC/agTaUkn6kyB8ZYn7/p6va47wzjUvkmVIe4=; b=u85TcIbp3/vTV/L5Snvc5mFYh579/8ipxDHJ6iyDy1ci7c0WpFO4HNPoF0MDkUMB6O uZ1aOVvFKyKxdhUfdOdZLhIZu78g5aVLNBcoe6ph5UC8KTcQArkS2BfRlYw+t5MDFm9g JYP0L3B2l8eDt66XGqqXgHq115zw8i44LrSRU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 09:39:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FS: a few Alesis ModFX From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <3VW_qC.A.sy.BbtNOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:39:29 +0000 (UTC) If anyone hasn't noticed these yet, they are some mighty fine effects. They are both the same size as stomp boxes, except they work best as hand-operated pedals. The Philtre is an important part of my drum machine rig. It does excellent lo-pass, hi-pass, band-pass and band-reject filtering. You can set it to act like an auto-wah, like a filter LFO, you can operate it manually like a wah-wah (except with a knob), or you can tell it to come up with random (but repeating) patterns. The Bitrman's best offering is bit reduction, a crunchy type of distortion popularized by Nine Inch Nails and Atom Heart. It also has traditional overdrive, compression, comb filtering, and a nice upward pitch shifter. (It only pitch-bends upward.) Why on earth Alesis discontinued these devices is beyond me. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Charlie M wrote: > Sorry if this is too OT, but I know that some loopers like the modFX series > for mangling their loops, so I thought I'd see if anyone wanted my two. > I've got a Philtre and a Bitrman for anyone interested. I live in > Minneapolis and can meet up with anyone here, or can ship. I don't really > know what these go for, but ebay seems to be kicking them out at 100 bucks a > pop, so does 175 USD shipped sound fair? If it's international shipping, we > will have to work out some kind of shipping deal, but I am not averse to > doing that. Please contact me off list if you are interested :) > Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 16:40:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC23C183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-08-01_04:2011-08-01,2011-08-01,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1108010142 Subject: Re: PC on an imac From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:39:52 -0700 Message-id: References: <1312214985.59611.YahooMailClassic@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:40:24 +0000 (UTC) >> , such as how to switch between the 2, how to work a plug in for windows while simultaneously running mac plug-ins, etc. Here is a good article on Parallels set up and configuration. http://lifehacker.com/221002/hack-attack-how-to-run-windows-and-mac-apps-side+by+side-with-parallels FWIW, I would just install windoze on a seperate partition rather than using a virtual machine emulation like Parallels. Have any mac people on the list had audio/video production experience with using the parallel's virtual machine emulation? If so, how is the performance and what DAW/ Editor did you use? cheers all Daniel On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Have you tried looking for an application named Parallels? Just a wild idea... > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:09 PM, bill bigrig wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> I bought an Imac a year or so ago, 550 G disc, 4G ram. It says it has parralels or somethignto that effect. I've only used the thing for 5 or 6 hours, toying with garage band. Do I just go in and click on something to bring up the PC part? I'm assuming it came already in the computer. Any advise on this would be greatly appreciated, such as how to switch between the 2, how to work a plug in for windows while simultaneously running mac plug-ins, etc. >> Rig >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 17:43:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 301E5183461; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1312214985.59611.YahooMailClassic@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RANG III X-AOL-IP: 68.162.140.121 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE1E898DEE8C5A_C30_356F9_webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33996-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE1E898D810D1A-C30-1784A@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.140.121] Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:356884832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94e36e5b458ee Resent-Message-ID: <4KMMSD.A._lB.5WuNOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE1E898DEE8C5A_C30_356F9_webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" after getting my head around the RANG III, I AM IN LOVE!!!!! it only has the original software and i do not have the sidecar, still what a monster! just played with the MASTER LOOP setting, lordy, what a basket-o-fun.....can't wait to introduce it to the M13, it will be a match made in heaven.....if you do not hear back from me in a few daze, please call 911, i will be lying on the floor with a BIG=20 smile on my face! 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smile on my face! GOOD CLEAN FUN TO THE MAX!
----------MB_8CE1E898DEE8C5A_C30_356F9_webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 18:56:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E84C183463; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fXC3nzroQAujWZ9SOk+pii7u4jHxBlYxbK88lTy9NSI=; b=yD3Ob1mRpdA7tmunXV1b/KS9dG78xvkXPqhM/O2+eZT2PhiRYPuuARJrRPPY2htYT0 NZMP1tjajLwvwabnDRpVqBDVn94Jk9yg9u0S+sk5T5WGcvFPi8UygaBC8svBDCkO8Y6c gTuZ9CRw3SiLRk7Zeb3pim2mMQJt/iDoqZJaM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FS: a few Alesis ModFX From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d2b0552608c04a97630ac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:56:38 +0000 (UTC) --0016364d2b0552608c04a97630ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have the whole set. I love 'em. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > If anyone hasn't noticed these yet, they are some mighty fine effects. > They are both the same size as stomp boxes, except they work best as > hand-operated pedals. > > The Philtre is an important part of my drum machine rig. It does > excellent lo-pass, hi-pass, band-pass and band-reject filtering. You > can set it to act like an auto-wah, like a filter LFO, you can operate > it manually like a wah-wah (except with a knob), or you can tell it to > come up with random (but repeating) patterns. > > The Bitrman's best offering is bit reduction, a crunchy type of > distortion popularized by Nine Inch Nails and Atom Heart. It also has > traditional overdrive, compression, comb filtering, and a nice upward > pitch shifter. (It only pitch-bends upward.) > > Why on earth Alesis discontinued these devices is beyond me. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Charlie M wrote: > > Sorry if this is too OT, but I know that some loopers like the modFX > series > > for mangling their loops, so I thought I'd see if anyone wanted my two. > > I've got a Philtre and a Bitrman for anyone interested. I live in > > Minneapolis and can meet up with anyone here, or can ship. I don't really > > know what these go for, but ebay seems to be kicking them out at 100 > bucks a > > pop, so does 175 USD shipped sound fair? If it's international shipping, > we > > will have to work out some kind of shipping deal, but I am not averse to > > doing that. Please contact me off list if you are interested :) > > Charlie > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --0016364d2b0552608c04a97630ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the whole set.=A0 I love 'em.=A0

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
If anyone hasn't noticed these yet, the= y are some mighty fine effects.
They are both the same size as stomp boxes, except they work best as
hand-operated pedals.

The Philtre is an important part of my drum machine rig. It does
excellent lo-pass, hi-pass, band-pass and band-reject filtering. You
can set it to act like an auto-wah, like a filter LFO, you can operate
it manually like a wah-wah (except with a knob), or you can tell it to
come up with random (but repeating) patterns.

The Bitrman's best offering is bit reduction, a crunchy type of
distortion popularized by Nine Inch Nails and Atom Heart. It also has
traditional overdrive, compression, comb filtering, and a nice upward
pitch shifter. (It only pitch-bends upward.)

Why on earth Alesis discontinued these devices is beyond me.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Charlie M <pilotcp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry if this is too OT, but I know that some loopers like the modFX s= eries
> for mangling their loops, so I thought I'd see if anyone wanted my= two.
> I've got a Philtre and a Bitrman for anyone interested. I live in<= br> > Minneapolis and can meet up with anyone here, or can ship. I don't= really
> know what these go for, but ebay seems to be kicking them out at 100 b= ucks a
> pop, so does 175 USD shipped sound fair? If it's international shi= pping, we
> will have to work out some kind of shipping deal, but I am not averse = to
> doing that. Please contact me off list if you are interested :)
> Charlie




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--0016364d2b0552608c04a97630ac-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 19:01:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83662183475; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4E36F810.00C3,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=0CFlzyUYaGpUH5FsfLIL2TrHPqo7/PudDySCaHPmo5c= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=A-uzt8ZDUPD9qud9xeMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <1312214985.59611.YahooMailClassic@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CE1E898D810D1A-C30-1784A@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> Subject: RE: RANG III Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:01:23 -0700 Message-ID: <477DFF4CB28E4D79BA3C5BDFDEC26F9B@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CE1E898D810D1A-C30-1784A@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> Thread-Index: AcxQcoS3lqP2Zm6MSGGnCrdLn8JAMQACo08g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Scoots wrote: GOOD CLEAN FUN TO THE MAX! That's a good way of putting it--in and of itself, the 'Rang is not swirly or mindbending (although it does have reverse, and a cool reverse solo feature). Rather it is an accurate replicator of what goes into it. It can be dirty if you are 8). G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 19:28:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F016E18345D; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=G6Q69DB3AUoJKS2BpLRaz8MQ2NORN7h5HRzrJMPOhRw= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=_g34MQbZAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=2K1z85Sux3mAz9_y7qQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=_Or2L3xtNEXotd9HDkcA:9 a=WpGxBeoz7nRFIfyxr3MA:7 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <54cd5a6d.31c7.13186d16fc4.Webtop.49@charter.net> Subject: Re: EDP prices going up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54977_774803485.1312226897851" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 49 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:28:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54977_774803485.1312226897851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just checked: and it still seems to be up at far as I can tell. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:05 AM, andy soto wrote: Evoloop site is down On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:43 AM, marcus kirby < marcusloops@gmail.com > wrote: More info on evoloop, I.e. how many lopps? Bought my first edp4 for $400 about five years ago. Bought another edp4 for $600 a few months ago. I'm stockpilin them! On Jul 30, 2011 10:35 PM, "Phil Clevenger" < phil.clevenger@gmail.com > wrote: ------=_Part_54977_774803485.1312226897851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Just checked: <http://www.evoloop.org/>= ; and it still seems to be up at far as I can tell.

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:05 AM, = andy soto wrote:

 Evoloop site is down

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:= 43 AM, marcus kirby < marcus= loops@gmail.com> wrote:
= More info on evoloop, I.e. how many lopps? Bought my first edp4 = for $400 about five years ago. Bought another edp4 for $600 a few months ag= o. I'm stockpilin them!
On Jul 30, 2011 10:35 PM, &q= uot;Phil Clevenger" < phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:

------=_Part_54977_774803485.1312226897851-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 19:34:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0313A183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=bkZjLqgV/7mWEQOCXt8KPHvCLiV3CcOaRt0a5oPW0us=; b=Y9eSd3j9YM/pF+jUBqGiuWsL13ah+wE2ix3aIoSATkuATrl6KvLt2F1+6dRh1fSIN1 9yhTNR1R2MOMlLqSW9MC80f3+NbCMuY47g6YErXRGfVEZRTH5R2UCJvR3DAjBuftl16Y G7qEBA7oauS4hI4w5gpm30hX9KSjFPNnlP0qY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <663647E4-C5BC-41CC-A902-463A1394B60C@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:34:07 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: roEsumt8ZoqGBusoqIW91xn3t-Y Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP prices going up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf304271901fad0b04a976b876 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:34:28 +0000 (UTC) --20cf304271901fad0b04a976b876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Mattias, Bob or... er Andy (you part of this? cant see your name anywhere, but it tends to pop up "where great things happen") On, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:43 AM, marcus kirby wrote: > More info on evoloop, . how many lopps?? >> > I second that request for more information. All I=B4ve ever heard about Evoloop (from the site I believe) is that its pretty much a EDP, but stereo= , high quality sound, MASSES more memory and CPU resources available, and very interestingly, a USB socket for upgrades. Now I have two specific qusetions: 1) Does it do loop windowing? 2) and count cycles like the original? (meaning does the display cleverly keep you on track as to how many cycles you are up to - only recently realized the genius of this when getting into stutter mode again, and is the reason I never quite got the hang of Mobius counting system) But more generally, and wondering about Marcus=B4s question regarding how m= any lopps (sic). The EDP didnt have multple loops like the more modern idea for multiple loops playing at the same time (looperlative/Mobius etc) but had multiple consecutive loops. Now if the first approach was followed... (multiple playing loops) doesnt this start to step on the Looperlatives area, which would not really matter from a different company, but I notice that Bob Amstrad is to be one of the developers of the hardware in Evoloop... whats up here? Is Evoloop gonna be the new LP1??? Matty, can you explain how the two of you (Lets call you the 2 Kings of loo= p hardware) are going to collaborate on this machine... this partnership is surely VERY exiting? Spill the beans guys... Is Evoloop still a dream made over a bar table in Santa Cruz with a bottle of Napoleon Brandy and some fine cigars, or is it next in line from the Bob Factory after he gets back from his holidays and spits of the LP2 first (How that guy thinks he has time to trek all over Yellowstone I have NO IDEA?) With baited breath... and with money for a looperlative burning a hole in pocket, cos I might wanna wait for Evoloop... Mark *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --20cf304271901fad0b04a976b876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Mattias, Bob or... er Andy (you part of this? cant see your name anywher= e, but it tends to pop up "where great things happen")

On,= Jul 31, 2011 at 5:43 AM, marcus kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:

More info on evoloop, . how many lopps??


I second that request for more information. Al= l I=B4ve ever heard about Evoloop (from the site I believe) is that its pre= tty much a EDP, but stereo, high quality sound,=A0 MASSES more memory and C= PU resources available, and very interestingly, a USB socket for upgrades.<= br>
Now I have two specific qusetions:
1) Does it do loop windowing? 2) and count cycles like the original?
(meaning does the display clever= ly keep you on track as to how many cycles you are up to - only recently re= alized the genius of this when getting into stutter mode again, and is the = reason I never quite got the hang of Mobius counting system)

But more generally, and wondering about Marcus=B4s question regarding h= ow many lopps (sic). The EDP didnt have multple loops like the more modern = idea for multiple loops playing at the same time (looperlative/Mobius etc) = but had multiple consecutive loops.
Now if the first approach was followed... (multiple playing loops)=A0 doesn= t this start to step on the Looperlatives area, which would not really matt= er from a different company, but I notice that Bob Amstrad is to be one of = the developers of the hardware in Evoloop... whats up here? Is Evoloop gonn= a be the new LP1???

Matty, can you explain how the two of you (Lets call you the 2 Kings of= loop hardware) are going to collaborate on this machine... this partnershi= p is surely VERY exiting?

Spill the beans guys... Is Evoloop still a= dream made over a bar table in Santa Cruz with a bottle of Napoleon Brandy= and some fine cigars, or is it next in line from the Bob Factory after he = gets back from his holidays and spits of the LP2 first (How that guy thinks= he has time to trek all over Yellowstone I have NO IDEA?)

With baited breath... and with money for a looperlative burning a hole = in pocket, cos I might wanna wait for Evoloop...

Mark
=

=A0
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
--20cf304271901fad0b04a976b876-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 19:52:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62B2F183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 630749.24047.bm@omp1055.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1312228331; bh=qFO7TiSKbqEpEiHkOWNHxAQmMvO0QAOeqQObOsQUa1w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jJHClje8F9uIMPnuBxKBJ0KGIoV7u0UAEKgX14/YJwebyp/xH/nb7g1AEz++W4GMJ+sH62de+axKcRKnFUcfTGyySpFPx38r3MZtddWwE3J66LGBhK2IFOgytbi5/4J6XvciiASUNDgvKfLpuuIUOYY726nF00a2sti3AybsK/M= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B7IQBuvanhItAPoS/ULEMFe0AyvFy6HY3yTujImubudNbK5JAYEWiYKFqAuZON2QT8O0d0kl42+0V0eFEog8icUlQj4ORqPgqA4dIXmWPs1qZier2jKy77L69UJN34ov/9sa9kiQvvQZZt6MOAVYn6B/xi35ypsxi6S5TfGbjRs=; X-YMail-OSG: 3IdjcYYVM1lVZms3a9IHolkkGUnpzSfr4OPqgSjv0Nlbtk_ R8_HUPnOrND7fpAarBLRVAclpbNdbqyyTehz0z9IE6xddxqvCGk0QowmJ86B Ww3r_6KlGMiQg8_glcC4wxGpbe4W_DUcYgbrj7uX.JQTlEAozG9ftoZKmAN3 TibmM97Z0w68rA4.dyC9t7Q17KNYWjhqOeuQ7RaGiOiehQly.hOsAsIoHOWd LuWwk175G1jt6VtTnRxBtQHQQXDtaVb8UDlrXid0ZIBTCq5O0Gi.RvHv812Y NTyNWlfbIlElwSCY7XXkw6ueHKxOcmbjNG6s4xH5hlvf2noBwSk70tIi8WH6 2THiNSK7pRlSSrHlkYUwvknJq2EzkKB89_A0GBpv8sRviG2ZCHSEmdLL_kVb eNnEiC4w0ysjQCg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.310352 Message-ID: <1312228331.61387.YahooMailClassic@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: RE: RANG III To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <477DFF4CB28E4D79BA3C5BDFDEC26F9B@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2147297448-1312228331=:61387" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:52:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-2147297448-1312228331=:61387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dang! I've started to encounter some overload issues with the input. I'm su= re it has something to do with the routing from my mixer but I haven't been= able to identify the culprit yet. The 'Rang is being overloaded during 'ST= ACKS'=A0and, hence, distorting the output. =A0 I have the 'Rang III in the Send/Return 'loop' from my Mackie Pro/FX mixer.= I have the desired mixer signals routed to the Send. Recently, I added a S= ennheiser microphone to the instrument mix by miking my Blackstar amp (even= though the Blackstar has a line out) to get the good, REAL tone from the a= mp - which is a nice guitar tone.=20 =A0 I 'think' I eliminated the microphone from the equation by successively, tu= rning down the Send signal and even pulling the microphone input. =A0 I pulled the signal going to the 'RANG III down and this seemed to resolve = the problem but now the output of the 'Rang III is lowered - of course - an= d not optimal-sounding. =A0 'Sorry for the=A0 long, boring story - but how are others setting up their = feeds into and out of the Rang? =A0 Regards, Paul --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: From: Clayton Gary Lehmann Subject: RE: RANG III To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 3:01 PM Scoots wrote: GOOD CLEAN FUN TO THE MAX! That's a good way of putting it--in and of itself, the 'Rang is not swirly or mindbending (although it does have reverse, and a cool reverse solo feature). Rather it is an accurate replicator of what goes into it. It can be dirty if you are 8). G --0-2147297448-1312228331=:61387 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --0-2147297448-1312228331=:61387-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 20:58:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 217C8183461; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4E371359.00E0,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=g1yQxBn6urlsaTUwI3YZx3Tbrw0dN6Kp/MqkgaK+ScQ= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=AxxmEKvRvOV4lKkspikA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <477DFF4CB28E4D79BA3C5BDFDEC26F9B@your0548c161e1> <1312228331.61387.YahooMailClassic@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: RANG III input distorting Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:57:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1312228331.61387.YahooMailClassic@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcxQhIL2r/BsLuTsQDyQdPwaWJYAuAACLlEg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Hello Paul and all,=20 "how are others setting up their feeds into and out of the Rang? =A0 Regards, Paul" Thus far I am forgoing a mixer, as I have to set up differently for = every job. My Taylor 812CE has a cannon output; that goes to the Jamman mike input, and I plan on sticking a bullet mike into the instrument input. = Then into a EH Freeze, out to the 'Rang, to a Carvin StageMate. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 21:23:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC24F183462; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=G6Q69DB3AUoJKS2BpLRaz8MQ2NORN7h5HRzrJMPOhRw= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=yTK_kMZf2hUmrq48NH4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:117 X-Auth-id: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjaGFydGVyLm5ldA== Subject: Re: RANG III input distorting References: <477DFF4CB28E4D79BA3C5BDFDEC26F9B@your0548c161e1> <1312228331.61387.YahooMailClassic@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Richard Atkinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:23:50 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Resent-Message-ID: <5ccnCB.A.41E.dlxNOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:23:41 +0000 (UTC) My Rang is inline on my pedalboard, and the last pedal before it heads off t= o the amp or mixer. However, it is 'post' pre-amp, so it's taking a hotter s= ignal than just a passive guitar signal (tech21 bass driver for bass or tech= 21 blonde for guitar). I've had to tweak preamp levels a bit to avoid the 'overload' that you descr= ibed. I've gotten it a few times when playing a loud initial loop and then c= ramming overdubs on top of it. Just a bit of level tweaking got it right... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:57 PM, "Clayton Gary Lehmann" wrote: > Hello Paul and all,=20 >=20 > "how are others setting up their feeds into and out of the Rang? > =20 > Regards, Paul" >=20 > Thus far I am forgoing a mixer, as I have to set up differently for every > job. My Taylor 812CE has a cannon output; that goes to the Jamman mike > input, and I plan on sticking a bullet mike into the instrument input. The= n > into a EH Freeze, out to the 'Rang, to a Carvin StageMate. > G >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 21:42:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FC79183460; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0aW2tiS5UT+TNlndjjb0sYK6zu58rTMuxjq6XCE9M1k=; b=cRW9lIeA/UquworKZmszGC1XHziD/tkfoo4KjEagVJnNTSdZUuxDdCKkTTy+mhNevH t3B4xauc6pAIwJHtgffGULJURDMM94V0KYr+zM+E40Sojpn9zlUWBtCrA8ESJLMupccb ER36Gkoa70LLg80BXyHiB/fzH1PY0t4RXoyPs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar From: Steve Crumpler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c1692ed0c8e04a97880fc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:42:13 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c1692ed0c8e04a97880fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Has anybody experimented to find out if a switch pedal like the Boss FS-6 can be used for a couple of the functions that the Sidecar would send signals for? On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Thanx Gary,yes i found a link i think you or somebdy sent recently > with a pic of it and was looking at the assigned buttons. > Do you mind sharing with us What you didnt like about it? i wish they > d carry it here to test it. > Thanx man > Luis > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > > Hey Luis-- > > There are more functions than there are switches for-- > > Furthermore, three of the 5 switches are dedicated--Stack (overdub), > > Play-Stop All, and Erase/Erase All. That leaves two "Bonus" switches that > > you can assign to reverse, fade, half speed etc. > > There are four loops on the 'Rang but loop 4 doesn't have its own > > switch--you have to assign a bonus switch. > > I used mine on the gig tonight for the first time--it's not the perfect > > looper but the timing on the multiple loops is rock solid, and the sound > is > > very good. > > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com] > > > > Hey Brian, > > are all the functions then completely controllable with the sidecar or > > is there a link to read about that? > > man the thing aint cheap for a simple switch controller! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Brian Carabee > wrote: > >> I just got off the phone with Mike Nelson and he's sending me out a nice > > new > >> Sidecar on Monday. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > > --0015174c1692ed0c8e04a97880fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anybody experimented to find out if a switch pedal like the Boss FS-6 c= an be used for a couple of the functions that the Sidecar would send signal= s for?

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Lo= uie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
Thanx Gary,yes i found a link i think you o= r somebdy sent recently
with a pic of it and was looking at the assigned buttons.
Do you mind sharing with us What you didnt like about it? i wish they
d carry it here to test it.
Thanx man
Luis

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
> Hey Luis--
> There are more functions than there are switches for--
> Furthermore, three of the 5 switches are dedicated--Stack (overdub), > Play-Stop All, and Erase/Erase All. That leaves two "Bonus" = switches that
> you can assign to reverse, fade, half speed etc.
> There are four loops on the 'Rang but loop 4 doesn't have its = own
> switch--you have to assign a bonus switch.
> I used mine on the gig tonight for the first time--it's not the pe= rfect
> looper but the timing on the multiple loops is rock solid, and the sou= nd is
> very good.
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com]
>
> Hey Brian,
> are all the functions then completely controllable with the sidecar or=
> is there a link to read about that?
> man the thing aint cheap for a simple switch controller!
> cheers
> Luis
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Brian Carabee <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I just got off the phone with Mike Nelson and he's sending me = out a nice
> new
>> Sidecar on Monday.
>>
>
>



--
www.luis-angulo.co= m


--0015174c1692ed0c8e04a97880fc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 23:16:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 102D3183463; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 23:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_78501f41-a3be-4e4d-9fdb-96a573eb2e10_" X-Originating-IP: [70.2.128.116] From: FRO DIDDLY To: Subject: changing plugin presets in ableton via midi Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:16:24 -0500 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2011 23:16:29.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B731570:01CC50A1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 23:16:30 +0000 (UTC) --_78501f41-a3be-4e4d-9fdb-96a573eb2e10_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable howdy all ive been struggling to find a good way to change plugin presets in ableton- i have a track with an EQ on it. As the song progresses ild like to have th= e EQ change to another preset on receiving a midi command. i thought this would be easy but i cant seem to figure out how to do it- i dont have any VSTi's=2C but i would imagine they would completely worthle= ss if you couldnt change tones during a song... thus there has to be a way = to assign midi bank and PC messages or something of the sorts to archive an= d access your tones.... so why cant i do this with effect plugins? is it the fault of the VST? does the vst have to have a menu or something t= o allow you to link midi to the tone preset? because every basic comp/eq/ga= te plugin-in simply has the load/save options....the waves bundle is the sa= me way...honestly ive never seen a vst that has these options the alternatives ive read thus far are as follows=2C and im just curious if= theres any hope for another solution: 1) use only live's plugins and map parameter or macro controls...... i dont= like this at all because i want to keep my tones seperate from ableton and= simply use it as my mixer in hopes of simplifying any issues from switchin= g hosts down the road- 2) i read there is a way to assign the output of a midi track to the input = of a VST plugin somehow to send it PC and bank messages...... but i am not = sure how to connect these messages to plugin presets.....is this option onl= y available on certain VST's?.... also=2C would i then need a midi clip for= each preset? that would be several hundred midi clips on a single midi tr= ack.... is that normal? ...and then i would bind a midi message to trigger = the midi clip to send a midi message to the vst? i have not gotten anywhere close to getting this to work as i have yet to f= ind a good explanation/walkthrough 3) use an elaborate matrix of audio effect racks.... this leads to hundreds= of duplicated plugins when in reality i only need 1 plugin and hundreds of= presets..... am i missing something? take into consideration im an ableton noob...... any other options?! how in the heck do you guys changes your tones and fx via midi? ty The Wandering Madman=20 = --_78501f41-a3be-4e4d-9fdb-96a573eb2e10_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

howdy all

ive been struggling to find a good way to change plugi= n presets in ableton-

i have a track with an EQ on it. As the song p= rogresses ild like to have the EQ change to another preset on receiving a m= idi command.
i thought this would be easy but i cant seem to figure out = how to do it-

i dont have any VSTi's=2C but i would imagine they wou= ld completely worthless if you couldnt change tones during a song... thus t= here has to be a way to assign midi bank and PC messages or something of th= e sorts to archive and access your tones....
so why cant i do this with = effect plugins?

is it the fault of the VST? does the vst have to hav= e a menu or something to allow you to link midi to the tone preset? because= every basic comp/eq/gate plugin-in simply has the load/save options....the= waves bundle is the same way...honestly ive never seen a vst that has thes= e options

the alternatives ive read thus far are as follows=2C and i= m just curious if theres any hope for another solution:

1) use only = live's plugins and map parameter or macro controls...... i dont like this a= t all because i want to keep my tones seperate from ableton and simply use = it as my mixer in hopes of simplifying any issues from switching hosts down= the road-
2) i read there is a way to assign the output of a midi track= to the input of a VST plugin somehow to send it PC and bank messages......= but i am not sure how to connect these messages to plugin presets.....is t= his option only available on certain VST's?.... also=2C would i then need a= midi clip for each preset? =3B that would be several hundred midi clip= s on a single midi track.... is that normal? ...and then i would bind a mid= i message to trigger the midi clip to send a midi message to the vst?
i = have not gotten anywhere close to getting this to work as i have yet to fin= d a good explanation/walkthrough
3) use an elaborate matrix of audio eff= ect racks.... this leads to hundreds of duplicated plugins when in reality = i only need 1 plugin and hundreds of presets.....

am i missing somet= hing? take into consideration im an ableton noob......
any other options= ?!

how in the heck do you guys changes your tones and fx via midi?
ty

The= Wandering Madman
= --_78501f41-a3be-4e4d-9fdb-96a573eb2e10_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 00:10:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 354C8183463; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <477DFF4CB28E4D79BA3C5BDFDEC26F9B@your0548c161e1> <1312228331.61387.YahooMailClassic@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RANG III input distorting X-AOL-IP: 151.201.128.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE1EBFBAFD4C3C_BA0_A38DD_Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33996-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE1EBFBAECA295-BA0-489DD@Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.128.228] Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:10:33 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:252576128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94e3740796412 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:10:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE1EBFBAFD4C3C_BA0_A38DD_Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" guitar> ineko> rangIII> srms.....this is just a begining =20 ----------MB_8CE1EBFBAFD4C3C_BA0_A38DD_Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" guit= ar> ineko> rangIII> srms.....this is just a begining
----------MB_8CE1EBFBAFD4C3C_BA0_A38DD_Webmail-d115.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 01:53:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AAEC183462; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 01:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 488 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 01:53:01 UTC Message-ID: <18B5F17871864B25A46FF99A4A61985B@ccs.local> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:44:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01CC5094.3B7A6280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: <2Jtxo.A.3T.9h1NOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 01:53:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01CC5094.3B7A6280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I doubt anything like that would work, as the Sidecar actually = communicates with the Rang through a midi cable. Brian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Crumpler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar Has anybody experimented to find out if a switch pedal like the Boss = FS-6 can be used for a couple of the functions that the Sidecar would = send signals for? ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01CC5094.3B7A6280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I doubt anything like that would work, = as the=20 Sidecar actually communicates with the Rang through a midi = cable.
 
Brian
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve=20 Crumpler
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 = 5:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: Boomerang with = Sidecar

Has anybody experimented to find out if a switch pedal = like the=20 Boss FS-6 can be used for a couple of the functions that the Sidecar = would=20 send signals for? ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01CC5094.3B7A6280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 02:01:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 154C8183462; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 02:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4E375A8C.009C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=gWJ3tSwlVG9+9Bc0QwsTfgzr7y6rw8iGroUsY2aLSe8= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=3OObnWUd5rwLifnNEpIA:9 a=knuIE8OoBcj2DMvIxzIA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=HZHhV_j4FMOHBiSLoHAA:9 a=Lzy5rBNvUh-lgpflT7sA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <18B5F17871864B25A46FF99A4A61985B@ccs.local> Subject: RE: Boomerang with Sidecar Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:01:37 -0700 Message-ID: <627A1ECB9EBA4892B6D674F32746D0D6@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01CC507D.70DCE2C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <18B5F17871864B25A46FF99A4A61985B@ccs.local> Thread-Index: AcxQtu7xK94M2fmIQqGYQl3J/NGVkQAANnwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 02:01:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CC507D.70DCE2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So Brian, would you say that there are "enough" switches now, with two more bonus (double duty) switches and the three dedicated switches? It would have been nice to have an additional expression pedal jack-since you can control feedback and volume now . . . Gary _____ From: Brian Carabee [mailto:compguy2@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar I doubt anything like that would work, as the Sidecar actually communicates with the Rang through a midi cable. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Crumpler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar Has anybody experimented to find out if a switch pedal like the Boss FS-6 can be used for a couple of the functions that the Sidecar would send signals for? ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CC507D.70DCE2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So Brian, would you say that there = are “enough” switches now, with two more bonus (double duty) switches and the three dedicated switches?

It would have been nice to have an additional expression pedal jack—since you can control feedback = and volume now . . .

Gary

 

From: Brian = Carabee [mailto:compguy2@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, August 01, = 2011 6:45 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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I doubt anything like that would work, as the Sidecar actually communicates with the Rang through a midi = cable.

 

Brian

 

=

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Has anybody experimented to find out if a switch pedal like the = Boss FS-6 can be used for a couple of the functions that the Sidecar would = send signals for?

------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CC507D.70DCE2C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 02:08:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25B91183463; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 02:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 389 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 02:08:26 UTC Message-Id: <201108020200.p7220SL0026235@px537-fe.Multiply.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 21:59:47 -0400 From: " Marie Romaine (via Multiply) " To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: An invitation to Multiply Reply-To: Marie Romaine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-multiply-email-id: 1312250429##loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com##invitation X-Multiply-CampaignID: multiply-opa-110801 X-Multiply-Source: send-email-helper-text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 02:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Check out my Multiply site I set up a Multiply site with my pictures, videos and blog and I want to add you as my friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Multiply! Once you join, you can also create your own site and share anything you want, with anyone you want. Here's the link: http://multiply.com/si/XLF7h7XCKlryY3PY+zWP7g Bonjour, C'est suite à mes recherches sur internet que j'ai eu à trouver votre adresse émail. Je m'appelle Marie Romaine Âgée de 29 ans célibataire sans enfant , je suis de nationalité Canadienne et je réside au Royaume-Uni où je travaille actuellement. Je désire avoir une correspondance d'amitié et d'échanges de tout genre avec vous. Je suis partante pour toute échange surtout dans le domaine de la culture.Comme je travaille dans une organisation culturelle, on pourrait s'échanger beaucoup plus. Je voudrais aussi connaitre votre ville,votre pays, rencontrer les gens qui y vivent, bref un tourisme que je considérerai comme un loisir indépendant. Répond moi si vous désirez qu'on soit amis. Je vous laisse mon adresse émail :mariromaine@yahoo.fr Avec amitiés, les plus sincères Mlle Marie Romaine Thanks, Marie Stop e-mails, view our privacy policy, or report abuse: http://multiply.com/bl/XLF7h7XCKlryY3PY+zWP7g We haven't added your email address to any lists, nor will we share it with anyone at any time. Copyright 2011 Multiply 6001 Park of Commerce Blvd, Boca Raton, FL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 05:12:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B5B318345B; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=ig/Qdg2lUR/55jc93d8+iVIxKmw4GlBMjsV6jQfUM5y3ilYb9yHHQqSVDjRJLyPj; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <12609897.1312261941379.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:12:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RANG III Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd58b57ac15db0829791918559c3fe970ec2c87079a0c94ba38350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:12:22 +0000 (UTC)

One thing I discovered is to check the loop level settings as the current settings get stored as defaults in you change the bonus button selections. Make sure they are set to about the "7" position which I think is approximately unity gain (unless you need them set differently for some reason). Maybe it's just an input level thing though and it's already too close to the max it can take. In that case you'll probably have no choice but to reduce the input level a bit and then boost the return in the mixer to get hings back up to even again. I wouldn't think doing that would affect the sound quality much if at all.

 

G
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Richards
Sent: Aug 1, 2011 2:52 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: RANG III

Dang! I've started to encounter some ove= rload issues with the input. I'm sure it has something to do with the routi= ng from my mixer but I haven't been able to identify the culprit yet. The '= Rang is being overloaded during 'STACKS' and, hence, distorting the ou= tput.
 
I have the 'Rang III in the Send/Return 'loop' from my Mackie Pro/FX m= ixer. I have the desired mixer signals routed to the Send. Recently, I adde= d a Sennheiser microphone to the instrument mix by miking my Blackstar amp = (even though the Blackstar has a line out) to get the good, REAL tone from = the amp - which is a nice guitar tone.
 
I 'think' I eliminated the microphone from the equation by successivel= y, turning down the Send signal and even pulling the microphone input.
 
I pulled the signal going to the 'RANG III down and this seemed to res= olve the problem but now the output of the 'Rang III is lowered - of course= - and not optimal-sounding.
 
'Sorry for the  long, boring story - but how are others setting u= p their feeds into and out of the Rang?
 
Regards, Paul

--- On Mon, 8/1/11, Clayton Gary Lehmann &l= t;hqr@cox.net> wrote:

From: Clayton Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>Subject: RE: RANG III
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: = Monday, August 1, 2011, 3:01 PM

Scoots wrote:

GOOD CLEAN FUN TO THE MAX!
<= BR>That's a good way of putting it--in and of itself, the 'Rang is not swir= ly
or mindbending (although it does have reverse, and a cool reverse sol= o
feature). Rather it is an accurate replicator of what goes into it.It can be dirty if you are 8).
G

Dang! I've started to encounter some overload issues with the input. I'm sure it has something to do with the routing from my mixer but I haven't been able to identify the culprit yet. The 'Rang is being overloaded during 'STACKS' and, hence, distorting the output.
 
I have the 'Rang III in the Send/Return 'loop' from my Mackie Pro/FX mixer. I have the desired mixer signals routed to the Send. Recently, I added a Sennheiser microphone to the instrument mix by miking my Blackstar amp (even though the Blackstar has a line out) to get the good, REAL tone from the amp - which is a nice guitar tone.
 
I 'think' I eliminated the microphone from the equation by successively, turning down the Send signal and even pulling the microphone input.
 
I pulled the signal going to the 'RANG III down and this seemed to resolve the problem but now the output of the 'Rang III is lowered - of course - and not optimal-sounding.
 
'Sorry for the  long, boring story - but how are others setting up their feeds into and out of the Rang?
 
Regards, Paul
 
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--20cf3071cd864221db04a9807b08-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 08:24:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB7A8183461; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 651403410/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.56/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.56 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlICAMKzN05V0rw4/2dsb2JhbAAMNphQkUcBAQQBMgEFQAYLCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGHaMEphkIEl3OLbQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,305,1309734000"; d="scan'208";a="651403410" Message-ID: <4E37B454.6000601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:24:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP prices going up References: <663647E4-C5BC-41CC-A902-463A1394B60C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-ois6B.A.nqE.UR7NOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:24:52 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > To Mattias, Bob or... er Andy (you part of this? cant see your name > anywhere, but it tends to pop up "where great things happen") Currently Matt's focusing on the hardware with a small team (including Rolf "Paradis" Spuler) and advice from Bob. I don't have input on that, I've seen bits of prototype though...it's certainly well beyond vapourware. > Now I have two specific qusetions: > 1) Does it do loop windowing? yes > 2) and count cycles like the original? yes, and Stutter seems to still be there. > > But more generally, and wondering about Marcus´s question regarding how > many lopps (sic). The EDP didnt have multple loops like the more modern > idea for multiple loops playing at the same time (looperlative/Mobius > etc) but had multiple consecutive loops. There's certainly a button on the front panel which is going to allow multi-track loops. Matt's idea seems to be to give the user the option to switch between different "groups" of loop, so instead of going to a "Next" edp loop you switch to a whole multi-track arrangement. I'm pretty sure he hasn't programmed that yet. I'm guessing that the Evoloop could well be released without any function assigned to that button, however like the LP1 the Evoloop software will be update-able. How would *you* combine EDP type multiple loops with multi-tracking? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 08:56:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B1A3183461; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=h4C2tjsccb8QDB/+QlaKxT8jVcbILGBUUNy0GcvJHTI=; b=LE3XdmswAx3AadqXqeJ8Dxlf2rwc9sWHHm5bpmNnvPSb1Efi1ivX7GtA9iyqql5vIF SpezzmX7NdyeOEVS4NdYdVlwNt3jS1vNH2pHVJ9yoEhEHI+oHVVOi0LauEcMTWSr69bP CYm+eNKDhd1mDd/C9is4m18ieM2CPPAgCYPls= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4E37B454.6000601@tiscali.co.uk> References: <663647E4-C5BC-41CC-A902-463A1394B60C@gmail.com> <4E37B454.6000601@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:56:00 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Bc8bicKRB-b5N-1ZB3P2DcCxs2Q Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP prices going up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30427190e1e8c404a981ebf8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:56:21 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30427190e1e8c404a981ebf8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM, andy butler wrote: > How would *you* combine EDP type multiple loops > with multi-tracking? > Personally, I would: Limit the amount of multiple tracks. In Looperlative and Mobius its 8. I think 4 is enough. (And two would do, but 3 is right!) Reason for this is that with more you start to have to get into actions and functions that are JUST ABOUT multiple track handling, as in grouping. I would simply do what I believe the looperlative does and certainly what Mobius does (If Im wrong here, dont correct me, but thi is what I think it should be) That is use a kind of track select mode. On LP1 it physical buttons on the machine, on Mobius its by using Focus Lock. Then if you hit NEXT LOOP, all the tracks selected (or focus locked if you like) would go to the next loop. If it was a loop copy situation, each track would copy over its specific material and time-base. This is nice because you dont have to swap all tracks if you dont need to. The rythym track might just stay looping on loop 1. What I can see as the issue is visual feedback. The need for the display to quickly and easily relay what track is on what loop etc. another reason to limit the amount of tracks IMHO. The EDP come into its own because you work it into YOUR playing style and in the end it becomes part of your instument. I dont need ANYTHING more than those counting numbers to tell me where I am. Playing with Multiple tracks always feels like recording.."Now Im going to lay down the bass-line" and I think if Evoloop can retain some of the magic of the original EDP but with multiple tracks simply added, without too much extra fuss, it will be a marvelous thing. As it is Im thinking of getting an LP1 (Cos oc multiple tracks, keeping ONE EDP for windowing and snip snip stuff) but ... I might wait with that purchase... heh heh MArk -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --20cf30427190e1e8c404a981ebf8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
How would *you* combine EDP type multiple loops
with multi-tracking?

Personally, I would:
Lim= it the amount of multiple tracks. In Looperlative and Mobius its 8. I think= 4 is enough. (And two would do, but 3 is right!)

Reason for this is= that with more you start to have to get into actions and functions that ar= e JUST ABOUT multiple track handling, as in grouping.

I would simply do what I believe the looperlative does and certainly wh= at Mobius does (If Im wrong here, dont correct me, but thi is what I think = it should be)
That is use a kind of track select mode. On LP1 it physica= l buttons on the machine, on Mobius its by using Focus Lock. Then if you hi= t NEXT LOOP, all the tracks selected (or focus locked if you like) would go= to the next loop. If it was a loop copy situation, each track would copy o= ver its specific material and time-base.

This is nice because you dont have to swap all tracks if you dont need = to. The rythym track might just stay looping on loop 1.

What I can s= ee as the issue is visual feedback. The need for the display to quickly and= easily relay what track is on what loop etc. another reason to limit the a= mount of tracks IMHO.

The EDP come into its own because you work it into YOUR playing style a= nd in the end it becomes part of your instument. I dont need ANYTHING more = than those counting numbers to tell me where I am. Playing with Multiple tr= acks always feels like recording.."Now Im going to lay down the bass-l= ine" and I think if Evoloop can retain some of the magic of the origin= al EDP but with multiple tracks simply added, without too much extra fuss, = it will be a marvelous thing.

As it is Im thinking of getting an LP1 (Cos oc multiple tracks, keeping= ONE EDP for windowing and snip snip stuff) but ... I might wait with that = purchase... heh heh


MArk

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--20cf30427190e1e8c404a981ebf8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 10:58:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D87A18345E; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3K4MXDopWY9/vdCAcXoRp2aggzbQdhXVsraJlGcUCf4=; b=gIXKMearYceyp2kUUHyAxeSCIOIIGZ4+ozUXuNtCqtNFTjfrPSXNuKKUUt/ybMRfd6 qCsjWLFSo3wgwEJ1Dayo73xKy6oQ+WCsYbIK/NiPXAEF9rDOBEHqcXQzUNLTUzOEi8+X aXsySoe6X///v90BmlOX+qPrL/pl8V2M8U7EU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:58:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Y2KX in Guitar Player magazine From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:58:14 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Guitar Player Magazine has posted video from Mark Thornton's documentary on > the Y2kX fest! > http://www.guitarplayer.com/video.aspx?bctid=1084622120001§ion=Artists Wow, that's great! Just found out they keep a lot of interesting guitar videos there. Thanks for telling :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 11:21:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F578183464; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=81SqN5OPtiETiRFikjhe9UrJdX86LCJxY2XV74L4Kio=; b=voWZ81GK8M+fFNlqlSM0pubf0JM4D9yMc6pBTOZD7ZBQk5wNYyWNDfwxZf7IeIwpjK uxlrmcGBAg4APedD1TefQwMzxFCPeE3BWCEu0BLMDZxYsjsdJeZFIkDKdVgpiF9Oxqw1 WRkRJBpPQ6kHKFK4UviDkbEDHhVRk7FdwirW8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:21:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: changing plugin presets in ableton via midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Ouch, been there too. It's sad but something computers are really bad at is switching between presets (from disc, by MIDI Program Change) while running a music application. There are two two alternative approaches to achieve the same thing. The first one is to not switch program setting in the same plugin but rather mute that plugin and un-mute another instance of the same plugin that is set to the new program setting (patch). This is how Mainstage is built and how you do it in Bidule by the renown Audio Switcher patch switching trick. The reason this approach works so smooth is that all plugins are loaded into RAM, even the ones on presently in use, and then the host application will be prepared for the change and doesn't need to suddenly juggle with resource allocation. The second approach focuses on host application automation. In Logic this is perfected for mixing while Live actually offers an awesome way to apply it in real-time by using *Controller MIDI Clips*. This means assigning a plugin's parameter to be controlled by a certain MIDI event (CC# or Note) and then create a MIDI Clip that contains this particular MIDI event. Finally you assign a foot pedal, button or whatever to trigger that clip. In your situation, when wanting to adjust an EQ plugin's settings, you need to first find out if the specific parameter you want to change ("EQ band 2 gain" or whatever) is available as a target for control in the MIDI clip editor. If that should not be the case you may get around by daisy-chaining a number of instances of that EQ plugin and set them up in a way so that bypassing a certain combination of them will achieve the preferred total EQ change. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:16 AM, FRO DIDDLY wrote: > > howdy all > > ive been struggling to find a good way to change plugin presets in ableto= n- > > i have a track with an EQ on it. As the song progresses ild like to have = the > EQ change to another preset on receiving a midi command. > i thought this would be easy but i cant seem to figure out how to do it- > > i dont have any VSTi's, but i would imagine they would completely worthle= ss > if you couldnt change tones during a song... thus there has to be a way t= o > assign midi bank and PC messages or something of the sorts to archive and > access your tones.... > so why cant i do this with effect plugins? > > is it the fault of the VST? does the vst have to have a menu or something= to > allow you to link midi to the tone preset? because every basic comp/eq/ga= te > plugin-in simply has the load/save options....the waves bundle is the sam= e > way...honestly ive never seen a vst that has these options > > the alternatives ive read thus far are as follows, and im just curious if > theres any hope for another solution: > > 1) use only live's plugins and map parameter or macro controls...... i do= nt > like this at all because i want to keep my tones seperate from ableton an= d > simply use it as my mixer in hopes of simplifying any issues from switchi= ng > hosts down the road- > 2) i read there is a way to assign the output of a midi track to the inpu= t > of a VST plugin somehow to send it PC and bank messages...... but i am no= t > sure how to connect these messages to plugin presets.....is this option o= nly > available on certain VST's?.... also, would i then need a midi clip for e= ach > preset?=C2=A0 that would be several hundred midi clips on a single midi t= rack.... > is that normal? ...and then i would bind a midi message to trigger the mi= di > clip to send a midi message to the vst? > i have not gotten anywhere close to getting this to work as i have yet to > find a good explanation/walkthrough > 3) use an elaborate matrix of audio effect racks.... this leads to hundre= ds > of duplicated plugins when in reality i only need 1 plugin and hundreds o= f > presets..... > > am i missing something? take into consideration im an ableton noob...... > any other options?! > > how in the heck do you guys changes your tones and fx via midi? > > ty > > The Wandering Madman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 12:06:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59B91183462; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=+7UYtphtNL0usWTZSIRAWWya8Pq3y1wfEH1OZkgedmY=; b=eksaOYP6KyCdL0vevt6s33PY6+cRmSag9tTVNh4w0mgfO+YkHGCVCftUHUflIG1Vuw qo4HJ89l4tAG3Jy5UrGfVNodsk/mNKlKbhwp+t9aYX5GC/0BaPJoA8PItoPD+t4tN/dt 1+N+Wpfktknfxb2f/InCbAZ+Azzel4W6EGn+s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:06:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: changing plugin presets in ableton via midi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c0ef6375bcd04a984959b Resent-Message-ID: <4ibvyC.A.G-G.ch-NOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:06:52 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c0ef6375bcd04a984959b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per and FRO... have you considered this as a possibility? http://liine.net/en/products/kapture/ Also, when I need to change presets, I often end up using the midi clip ide= a to change the position of the chain selector in an audio rack. This keeps everything together and manageable. It's in the manual clearly, just search for 'chain selector'. It runs along a track from 0-127, just like every other midi command and you can stack up to 127 instances of a plug-in with different settings. Actually a little obtuse at the beginning to understand, but when you have, it's incredibly useful, even including fades between effects. (or presets, in this case) Cheers, Todd On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:16 PM, FRO DIDDLY wrote: > > howdy all > > ive been struggling to find a good way to change plugin presets in ableto= n- > > i have a track with an EQ on it. As the song progresses ild like to have > the EQ change to another preset on receiving a midi command. > i thought this would be easy but i cant seem to figure out how to do it- > > i dont have any VSTi's, but i would imagine they would completely worthle= ss > if you couldnt change tones during a song... thus there has to be a way t= o > assign midi bank and PC messages or something of the sorts to archive and > access your tones.... > so why cant i do this with effect plugins? > > is it the fault of the VST? does the vst have to have a menu or something > to allow you to link midi to the tone preset? because every basic > comp/eq/gate plugin-in simply has the load/save options....the waves bund= le > is the same way...honestly ive never seen a vst that has these options > > the alternatives ive read thus far are as follows, and im just curious if > theres any hope for another solution: > > 1) use only live's plugins and map parameter or macro controls...... i do= nt > like this at all because i want to keep my tones seperate from ableton an= d > simply use it as my mixer in hopes of simplifying any issues from switchi= ng > hosts down the road- > 2) i read there is a way to assign the output of a midi track to the inpu= t > of a VST plugin somehow to send it PC and bank messages...... but i am no= t > sure how to connect these messages to plugin presets.....is this option o= nly > available on certain VST's?.... also, would i then need a midi clip for e= ach > preset? that would be several hundred midi clips on a single midi track.= ... > is that normal? ...and then i would bind a midi message to trigger the mi= di > clip to send a midi message to the vst? > i have not gotten anywhere close to getting this to work as i have yet to > find a good explanation/walkthrough > 3) use an elaborate matrix of audio effect racks.... this leads to hundre= ds > of duplicated plugins when in reality i only need 1 plugin and hundreds o= f > presets..... > > am i missing something? take into consideration im an ableton noob...... > any other options?! > > how in the heck do you guys changes your tones and fx via midi? > > ty > > The Wandering Madman > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 The most recent newsletter is here. =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Check it out on the INNOVA Artists Page . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --0015174c0ef6375bcd04a984959b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per and FRO...=A0

have you considered this as a possibil= ity?


Als= o, when I need to change presets, I often end up using the midi clip idea t= o change the position of the chain selector in an audio rack. =A0This keeps= everything together and manageable. It's in the manual clearly, just s= earch for 'chain selector'. =A0It runs along a track from 0-127, ju= st like every other midi command and you can stack up to 127 instances of a= plug-in with different settings. =A0Actually a little obtuse at the beginn= ing to understand, but when you have, it's incredibly useful, even incl= uding fades between effects. =A0(or presets, in this case)

Cheers, Todd

On Mon, = Aug 1, 2011 at 7:16 PM, FRO DIDDLY <parispro00@hotmail.com> wrote:

howdy all

ive been struggling to find a good way to change plugi= n presets in ableton-

i have a track with an EQ on it. As the song p= rogresses ild like to have the EQ change to another preset on receiving a m= idi command.
i thought this would be easy but i cant seem to figure out how to do it-
i dont have any VSTi's, but i would imagine they would completely = worthless if you couldnt change tones during a song... thus there has to be= a way to assign midi bank and PC messages or something of the sorts to arc= hive and access your tones....
so why cant i do this with effect plugins?

is it the fault of the VS= T? does the vst have to have a menu or something to allow you to link midi = to the tone preset? because every basic comp/eq/gate plugin-in simply has t= he load/save options....the waves bundle is the same way...honestly ive nev= er seen a vst that has these options

the alternatives ive read thus far are as follows, and im just curious = if theres any hope for another solution:

1) use only live's plug= ins and map parameter or macro controls...... i dont like this at all becau= se i want to keep my tones seperate from ableton and simply use it as my mi= xer in hopes of simplifying any issues from switching hosts down the road-<= br> 2) i read there is a way to assign the output of a midi track to the input = of a VST plugin somehow to send it PC and bank messages...... but i am not = sure how to connect these messages to plugin presets.....is this option onl= y available on certain VST's?.... also, would i then need a midi clip f= or each preset?=A0 that would be several hundred midi clips on a single mid= i track.... is that normal? ...and then i would bind a midi message to trig= ger the midi clip to send a midi message to the vst?
i have not gotten anywhere close to getting this to work as i have yet to f= ind a good explanation/walkthrough
3) use an elaborate matrix of audio e= ffect racks.... this leads to hundreds of duplicated plugins when in realit= y i only need 1 plugin and hundreds of presets.....

am i missing something? take into consideration im an ableton noob.....= .
any other options?!

how in the heck do you guys changes your to= nes and fx via midi?

ty

The= Wandering Madman



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=95 The mos= t recent newsletter is here.

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Check it out on the INNOVA Artists Page.



--0015174c0ef6375bcd04a984959b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 13:32:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ACAC183463; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8Zg7nJ6IysjlinURHfZZ6lsgPbRB2OpU+zuyhGpvRSo=; b=r4K/HjCvJg3rtmPajc0lyG0cP7fapHNo6QhaP1/nVabXwJIe5YBdTSGd7+aPD+kpuf MZX6/hlrQWiSGLcjRgBKqhp+fvYKiKx+8AM0je/KT7AQlX8YA8tKqM3EpDsYXlbxup2J b674gcSRsR8T6qev2UJyUcs8qdtq9vkwuV2Ds= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 15:32:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: changing plugin presets in ableton via midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:32:02 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 2:06 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > Per and FRO... > have you considered this as a possibility? > http://liine.net/en/products/kapture/ I didn't know about Kapture, but it seems to be a good reason for buying Max4Live to optimize Live as a live performance tool. Thanks a lot for posting the tip! A bit expensive, but I'll remember this if I will get to a point where I have to use Live as the host doing vast patch changing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 14:05:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95323183462; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2E0BCEF57E654EA79794B155890A4A50@ccs.local> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <18B5F17871864B25A46FF99A4A61985B@ccs.local> <627A1ECB9EBA4892B6D674F32746D0D6@your0548c161e1> Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:05:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:05:53 +0000 (UTC) I haven't received it yet. Mike sent it out yesterday (Monday). The way I see it, since there are a few dedicated buttons on the Sidecar, that frees up the original two bonus buttons on the main Rang unit, so that will give me at least 4 additional functions, if not more. On the Sidecar, you have: B1) Stack/Momentary Stack (Dedicated) B2) Play/Stop All (Dedicated) B3) Erase/Erase All (Dedicated) Bonus 1,2,3 and 4 (Capable of Once, Octave, Reverse, Thru Mute, Play Style, Fade, Panic, Copy) And of course the original 4 bonus buttons are now freed up since Stack, Play/Stop and Erase/Erase All are all dedicated. I'll report back as soon as I receive it and try it out. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 10:01 PM Subject: RE: Boomerang with Sidecar So Brian, would you say that there are "enough" switches now, with two more bonus (double duty) switches and the three dedicated switches? It would have been nice to have an additional expression pedal jack-since you can control feedback and volume now . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 16:54:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 057C6183462; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EdzTb+KY1G6E61y0a0ZwsGpQGhgX0hKRYba8R7Vmk2Y=; b=rcCZ8wlkFyxQ4bvbHqdOLVi3SdhUV9LL0WNGzoZjHE5qOCfq3yek5P5rtsQW7OzyVz k0I5lJ+9srNG+O+KbP6YLu+Y4db8QCMHHjYGajvnGT3EXRaYCLXT1xgegDN3pI9xqVUr +76mqcmEz0xuG0AXCJOIzAi4DgIpzPwOhD+Jo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:54:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Y2KX in Guitar Player magazine From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5171ed560aefe04a9889b14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:54:55 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec5171ed560aefe04a9889b14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cool! On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > > Guitar Player Magazine has posted video from Mark Thornton's documentary > on > > the Y2kX fest! > > > http://www.guitarplayer.com/video.aspx?bctid=1084622120001§ion=Artists > > > Wow, that's great! Just found out they keep a lot of interesting > guitar videos there. Thanks for telling :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --bcaec5171ed560aefe04a9889b14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool!

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Per= Boysen <perboy= sen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Jeff Duke= <jeffloops@gmail.com> wro= te:
> Guitar Player Magazine has posted video from Mark Thornton's docum= entary on
> the Y2kX fest!
> http://www.guitarplayer.com/vide= o.aspx?bctid=3D1084622120001&section=3DArtists


Wow, that's great! Just found out they keep a lot of intere= sting
guitar videos there. Thanks for telling :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub




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Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/= artsimon
--bcaec5171ed560aefe04a9889b14-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 17:09:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1194183463; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bfgoA9AyNixaTGL1RaYTyY+0NMER5OIJhAxWq1mWrNM=; b=f0cAGM/CpIFiy5r9FkeHHAykZ7ZBveiuB1mjH6VN6OeNEFxafZMt4dt+bW0eJE6FlB pFEteV0Eq4TXlwHEk9hYOQrPR84eLxsBQ3s5YxNCmmCWpeINvv9cpbAVUgw3bE5UM5+d xghf8mU4TkhehAMZL+VrFQ9gqj7BdjClhIoB4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Y2KX in Guitar Player magazine From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51b1d9fd8696d04a988cdf5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:09:01 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec51b1d9fd8696d04a988cdf5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's quite something, never quite thought I'd get something in GP or related. Thanks very much Mark and thanks very much Barry for including Chinapainting in this. Tremendously cool, last year's Y2K was just so amazing to be part of. Thanks again Mark for wanting to document the event= . Jim On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Art Simon wrote: > Cool! > > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> > Guitar Player Magazine has posted video from Mark Thornton's documenta= ry >> on >> > the Y2kX fest! >> > >> http://www.guitarplayer.com/video.aspx?bctid=3D1084622120001§ion=3DA= rtists >> >> >> Wow, that's great! Just found out they keep a lot of interesting >> guitar videos there. Thanks for telling :-) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.perboysen.com >> www.looproom.com internet music hub >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > myspace [dot] com/artsimon > --=20 *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin = & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --bcaec51b1d9fd8696d04a988cdf5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's quite something, never quite thought I'd get something = in GP or related.=A0 Thanks very much Mark and thanks very much Barry for i= ncluding Chinapainting in this.=A0 Tremendously cool, last year's Y2K w= as just so amazing to be part of.=A0 Thanks again Mark for wanting to docum= ent the event.
=A0
Jim

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Cool!=20


On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Per Boysen <p= erboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
>= Guitar Player Magazine has posted video from Mark Thornton's documenta= ry on
> the Y2kX fest!
> http://ww= w.guitarplayer.com/video.aspx?bctid=3D1084622120001&section=3DArtists


Wow, that's great! Just found out they keep a lot of in= teresting
guitar videos there. Thanks for telling :-)

Greetings f= rom Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.c= om internet music hub




--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot= ] com/artsimon



-- From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim = Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 jimgoodinpeterthor= n.bandcamp.com.

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--bcaec51b1d9fd8696d04a988cdf5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 23:14:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C29A3183461; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 23:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: EDP prices going up From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <4E37B454.6000601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:14:24 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <17B34F8D-ACFF-497C-BA4F-6B45BA479B6F@grubmah.com> References: <663647E4-C5BC-41CC-A902-463A1394B60C@gmail.com> <4E37B454.6000601@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <6b5FMC.A.Hc.UTIOOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 23:14:28 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 2, 2011, at 1:24 AM, andy butler wrote: > How would *you* combine EDP type multiple loops > with multi-tracking? See Ableton Live? Basically, tracks are groups of loops and within a group at most one = loop can be playing at once. Then make it easy to switch between loops = within a group and to do things like copy within a group. I keep thinking something like the Line6 M13 hardware would actually = make a great multitrack looper given the 5 x 3 buttons. Imagine using = three of them for a mode selector and then using the remaining 4 x 3 to = do things like: * 4 groups of 3 loops. Tap to play. Tap to stop playing. (Tap an empty = loop to record.) * 4 groups with 8 buttons for working within the group * A dedicated quantization page for access to the current quantization = value Etc. If you use long presses, you can access even more things. The other nice thing about a dedicated unit as opposed to a rack unit = plus an arbitrary MIDI foot controller is that you can probably do a lot = more with status feedback on the device. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 00:06:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85CD6183460; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=0sP0YYWMQTfLsPiJGXP6KVPWWf+6gp1tbOh2bqL2NMA=; b=GpJ2RWPtYtCsxQ+1uZaqwppZUI6LpffGHqHv4LwqONRoOWiKnHp/8r3Yg9pjXK6Dhc Utq4+G9XuXcu0pbTPA5xHjU3g+rfaNlD8VisQZACxp58N1ZPZ9UkebSHYgL/wfLg7oVp FGPYgtUPnn+NhOu5K9dzXJRag8u+oyjv3PBKg= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: OSC and I phones and Whiskers on kittens........ From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:06:17 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3F8D4DF7-0573-4279-A7BB-E1F184FF1305@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Bill, How are things progressing with OSC for you? Or has the Moog stolen all = your cycles? I've found TouchOSC and Missing Link fairly straightforward, but the way = the LP-1 wants to parse incoming MIDI configuration commands is a bit = obstacular... Your volume, feedback, pan sliders in TouchOSC... are they track = specific? Or must you explicitly select a track first? I've got a template in progress that has 8 paired sliders (a vol and = fdbk for each LP1 track), but in order to use them I have had to add an = explicit "select track" pushbutton to each pair. So this looks like: = Select track 1, use sliders for track 1; select track 3, use sliders for = track 3; etc... What I'd like to do is just use the sliders directly... Phil :) On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:19 PM, William Walker wrote: > Some friends of my wife Nancy just gave us their old I phones so I've = downloaded OSC and the Missing link template and fired up a Missing = link, and though I have yet to figure out how to program midi program = changes in to it to get at all my LP-1 parameters happening . I've = already got it running for midi note and cc control and that in itself = is adding some cool new capability such as using midi notes to control = replace which allows me to replace portions of my loop for as long as i = touch the key on the I phones keyboard template, a true sus command that = due to laziness, I haven't tried programming my Little Giant to do. Its = great for interrupting a percolating loop with a portion of long = sustained notes or vise versa, and doing glitchy stutter replaces by = hitting the key rapidly. granted i have to take one hand of the = instrument to control it but its fun to play one handed at time as well. = Also I have programmed a fader array to control volume, feedback, = panning and track speed and 4 individual track faders . having the speed = on a fader allows me to accurately go to different percentages of the = track speed that I could never do with a foot pedal controller, so I = can put the loop in another key, record additional content in and then = return it to the original key as follows. I'll record content at 100% = (normal speed), move it the fader to 75% (3/4 speed), the 50% (half = speed). then 37% (3/8 this speed???and finally 25% (1/4 speed) all the = while adding new content to the loop. If i'm playing in E minor for = example at normal speed, when I go to 75% speed it drops the key to B = min, I then add some more stuff, and return to the original key. = Recording at these other track speeds can cause some interesting = artifacts and overtones. The more I figure this thing out the more i = like it. The Missing Link is great for us old school hardware guys who = don't want to be left out of the future:-) and want more control over = their gear. Additionally, any multi effect with extensive external cc = control can really benefit from what an I phone, or touch, or pad, and = a Missing Link can do to really mix your effects in real time. > I'm looking in to a mic stand adaptor for my I phone and also if = anyone has had any luck programming program change information on an OSC = template I'd be grateful for some help as so far I'm stymied. > Thanks > Bill >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 00:26:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D53183462; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1312331201; bh=dm5Ib1QdWbNGMhODZN9zQAYHVYZ0NRDvdePvcJIcGso=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=VYuWOCgfBQJIcpaNN2LQpUCLdhSDD7ZG9QBuapBOPZObEUYgPq8u5tiJm3J5n3V7F9VxCbvVJuJEqEZZjECaKXLGSjGhR/egDGexoRfu3FREauy6VByvc0nJPsM/IMH4amvAU+ocHywUeKIr49ldHywejOg53fyIMzwApytzp+4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 406909.71545.bm@smtp110.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: XaIgBQ4VM1mIb4ikzkjt_JZxD7rEPmV.GD_XeyrM2M2TurU H3rr3MZneS0hru.C_IW3Cvfo8Vh7bMNkLu2ExrAFFXYYqwYpgLYa0iPdayde roqL8XtZjW8m3yUenklIYB6C0QBnWuee8IH3u0R00KifoaxH1nhoKLXCPSEZ VGoQHPh78u1wOs.lU_vX.10pZ3euCVhY15kLl.NiAm7Hvh8Qpq9dflRuwSa9 RnOpSksVo6J.HLgibOyFofIZ9XwQ5Ky29rWsEs8TirzTLQfc.KoUD0yZR.M8 aqgvawzHPA8KepAJSa.dxM9BskmXqm.ZH2Spsm34yXfnzyhUAw1wnUI3z9l3 .lTW_LajepBgmjzECI8VVnLkIQy3yWO2v2Cv3cE8vT79gV5pv9D9wHLN_fyi FR9nZH4kFcf40uXv62420.KsOIA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: OQskSLeswBC2kdNEVqHEYK1lxP8pzkbKWw-- Message-ID: <4E3895C9.8050608@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:26:49 -0700 From: Hans Lindauer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OSC and I phones and Whiskers on kittens........ References: <3F8D4DF7-0573-4279-A7BB-E1F184FF1305@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3F8D4DF7-0573-4279-A7BB-E1F184FF1305@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090201020306070003070304" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:26:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090201020306070003070304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Phil, Allow me to clarify what we were talking about on FB: First, create a button with a MIDI note message, and assign that note to = the track select function in the LP-1, ex.*/midi/0x90 7 100* - that will send a note-on, channel 1, note=20 #7, velocity 100 Also create a slider with a CC, and assign it to the volume parameter, ex. */midi/0xb0 11 x* - that will send CC#11, channel 1 Now the LP-1 should respond appropriately to those MIDI commands. So now if you create a slider that sends /both/ track select/and/ volume = MIDI commands together, it should select the track and then adjust the=20 volume. The Missing Link doesn't really care that it's a slider, it's=20 still going to send a note-on and then a cc if you use: */midi/0x90 7=20 100 0xb0 11 x* -Hans On 8/2/2011 5:06 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Bill, > > How are things progressing with OSC for you? Or has the Moog stolen all= your cycles? > > I've found TouchOSC and Missing Link fairly straightforward, but the wa= y the LP-1 wants to parse incoming MIDI configuration commands is a bit o= bstacular... > > Your volume, feedback, pan sliders in TouchOSC... are they track specif= ic? Or must you explicitly select a track first? > > I've got a template in progress that has 8 paired sliders (a vol and fd= bk for each LP1 track), but in order to use them I have had to add an exp= licit "select track" pushbutton to each pair. So this looks like: Select = track 1, use sliders for track 1; select track 3, use sliders for track 3= ; etc... > > What I'd like to do is just use the sliders directly... > > Phil :) > > > On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:19 PM, William Walker wrote: > >> Some friends of my wife Nancy just gave us their old I phones so I've= downloaded OSC and the Missing link template and fired up a Missing link= , and though I have yet to figure out how to program midi program changes= in to it to get at all my LP-1 parameters happening . I've already got= it running for midi note and cc control and that in itself is adding som= e cool new capability such as using midi notes to control replace which a= llows me to replace portions of my loop for as long as i touch the key o= n the I phones keyboard template, a true sus command that due to laziness= , I haven't tried programming my Little Giant to do. Its great for inter= rupting a percolating loop with a portion of long sustained notes or vise= versa, and doing glitchy stutter replaces by hitting the key rapidly. g= ranted i have to take one hand of the instrument to control it but its fu= n to play one handed at time as well. Also I have programmed a fader arra= y to control volume, feedback, panning and track speed and 4 individual= track faders . having the speed on a fader allows me to accurately go to= different percentages of the track speed that I could never do with a fo= ot pedal controller, so I can put the loop in another key, record additi= onal content in and then return it to the original key as follows. I'll = record content at 100% (normal speed), move it the fader to 75% (3/4 spe= ed), the 50% (half speed). then 37% (3/8 this speed???and finally 25% (1/= 4 speed) all the while adding new content to the loop. If i'm playing in= E minor for example at normal speed, when I go to 75% speed it drops the= key to B min, I then add some more stuff, and return to the original key= =2E Recording at these other track speeds can cause some interesting arti= facts and overtones. The more I figure this thing out the more i like it= =2E The Missing Link is great for us old school hardware guys who don't w= ant to be left out of the future:-) and want more control over their gear= =2E Additionally, any multi effect with extensive external cc control can= really benefit from what an I phone, or touch, or pad, and a Missing Li= nk can do to really mix your effects in real time. >> I'm looking in to a mic stand adaptor for my I phone and also if anyon= e has had any luck programming program change information on an OSC templ= ate I'd be grateful for some help as so far I'm stymied. >> Thanks >> Bill >> > --------------090201020306070003070304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Phil,

Allow me to clarify what we were talking about on FB:

First, create a button with a MIDI note message, and assign that note to the track select function in the LP-1,
    ex. /midi/0x90 7 100 - that will send a note-on, channel 1, note #7, velocity 100
Also create a slider with a CC, and assign it to the volume parameter,
    ex. /midi/0xb0 11 x - that will send CC#11, channel 1

Now the LP-1 should respond appropriately to those MIDI commands.

So now if you create a slider that sends both track select and volume MIDI commands together, it should select the track and then adjust the volume.  The Missing Link doesn't really care that it's a slider, it's still going to send a note-on and then a cc if you use: /midi/0x90 7 100 0xb0 11 x

-Hans


On 8/2/2011 5:06 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: 
Bill,

How are things progressing with OSC for you? Or has the Moog stolen all your cycles?

I've found TouchOSC and Missing Link fairly straightforward, but the way the LP-1 wants to parse incoming MIDI configuration commands is a bit obstacular...

Your volume, feedback, pan sliders in TouchOSC... are they track specific? Or must you explicitly select a track first?

I've got a template in progress that has 8 paired sliders (a vol and fdbk for each LP1 track), but in order to use them I have had to add an explicit "select track" pushbutton to each pair. So this looks like: Select track 1, use sliders for track 1; select track 3, use sliders for track 3; etc...

What I'd like to do is just use the sliders directly...

Phil :)


On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:19 PM, William Walker wrote:


Some friends of my wife  Nancy just gave us their old I phones so I've downloaded OSC and the Missing link template and fired up a Missing link, and though I have yet to figure out how to program midi program changes in to it to get at all my  LP-1 parameters happening .  I've already got it running for midi note and cc control and that in itself is adding some cool new capability such as using midi notes to control replace which allows me to replace portions of my loop for as long  as i touch the key on the I phones keyboard template, a true sus command that due to laziness, I haven't tried programming my Little Giant to do. Its  great for interrupting a percolating loop with a portion of long sustained notes or vise versa, and doing glitchy stutter replaces by hitting the  key rapidly. granted i have to take one hand of the instrument to control it but its fun to play one handed at time as well. Also I have programmed a fader array to control  volume, 
 feedback, panning and track speed and 4 individual track faders . having the speed on a fader allows me to accurately go to different percentages of the track speed that I could never do with a foot pedal controller,  so I can put the loop in another key, record additional content in  and then return it to the original key as follows. I'll record content at 100% (normal speed), move it the fader  to 75% (3/4 speed), the 50% (half speed). then 37% (3/8 this speed???and finally 25% (1/4 speed) all the while adding new content to the loop.  If i'm playing in E minor for example at normal speed, when I go to 75% speed it drops the key to B min, I then add some more stuff, and return to the original key. Recording at these other track speeds can cause some interesting artifacts and overtones.  The more I figure this thing out the more i like it. The Missing Link is great for us old school hardware guys who don't want to be left out of the future:-) and want more control over thei
r gear. Additionally, any multi effect with extensive external cc control can really benefit from what an I phone, or touch, or pad,  and a Missing Link can do to really mix your effects in real time.
I'm looking in to a mic stand adaptor for my I phone and also if anyone has had any luck programming program change information on an OSC template I'd be grateful for some help as so far I'm stymied.
Thanks
Bill

--------------090201020306070003070304-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 00:41:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D61D183462; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=aeMH4JcVOnVr0LmJAzqEvfnmJyuaZufWdlng4HTRGCk= c=1 sm=0 a=p_P8It6jP9UA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=bjue6iMc0PxFzCOyRLaH1w==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=L-NBwEXxZLmxbdSiTTIA:9 a=8D8CZDzoJc0sKE1lxCkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=0cjlxqLwKb5jqhiJ:21 a=YPvD_-vk_367nEYz:21 a=bjue6iMc0PxFzCOyRLaH1w==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.76.199.163 From: "Hoby Ebert" To: References: <2E0BCEF57E654EA79794B155890A4A50@ccs.local> Subject: RE: Boomerang with Sidecar Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:41:05 -0400 Message-ID: <54C8787EECF246E59B3B262C3C14F306@HAL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <2E0BCEF57E654EA79794B155890A4A50@ccs.local> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxRdKKJ1/UKRHDZTcG4usKHrEtrawAALOWw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Another way to look at it is that the 'Rang has 11 functions that can be assigned to buttons. With the side car you have 8 "bonus button" slots and 3 dedicated buttons. I'm figuring that I'll have access to all the 'Rang's functions once the sidecar is hooked up. Speaking of which, my local guy told me that Mike included a MIDI cable in the box for connecting the 'Rang and the sidecar. Nice! I'll be heading up to the shop to pick mine up sometime in the next few days. Very psyched. Somebody mentioned earlier about using an M13 and the 'Rang together. I've been having a blast feeding my M9 into my 'Rang. It's a wonderland of loopy multi-effected fun. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Carabee [mailto:compguy2@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar I haven't received it yet. Mike sent it out yesterday (Monday). The way I see it, since there are a few dedicated buttons on the Sidecar, that frees up the original two bonus buttons on the main Rang unit, so that will give me at least 4 additional functions, if not more. On the Sidecar, you have: B1) Stack/Momentary Stack (Dedicated) B2) Play/Stop All (Dedicated) B3) Erase/Erase All (Dedicated) Bonus 1,2,3 and 4 (Capable of Once, Octave, Reverse, Thru Mute, Play Style, Fade, Panic, Copy) And of course the original 4 bonus buttons are now freed up since Stack, Play/Stop and Erase/Erase All are all dedicated. I'll report back as soon as I receive it and try it out. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 10:01 PM Subject: RE: Boomerang with Sidecar So Brian, would you say that there are "enough" switches now, with two more bonus (double duty) switches and the three dedicated switches? It would have been nice to have an additional expression pedal jack-since you can control feedback and volume now . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 00:57:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24ED183461; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <35B5148F-C9D5-4486-B20F-E598B8530ED5@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--981615565 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OSC and I phones and Whiskers on kittens+MORE MOOG Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:57:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:57:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--981615565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil, I'm using a template with 20 buttons that respond to pc messages for most of my command stuff and the sliders I use for cc messages volume, feedback pan, and track speed. honestly i hardly get to the faders as I spend most of my time on the button template. and the faders are duplicating some stuff i already do with foot pedals. I'm so used to using a midi foot controller that its not totally integrated yet how to best use it, but I may end up using it to simply change patches on another processor as well, or integrating it in to my DAW for remote control of record, transport etc... here is another clip of the Moog guitar, this time using a more overdriven sound and the Moog's filters and at a later point in the improv, I start reaching out of camera view to hit quantize replace commands on the I phone. Its really visually stimulating :-) This piece has a couple of rough spots but it is a good example of this instrument's ability to sound like I'm playing at very high volumes when i'm not. I must say I hope I can find a way to afford one of these babies, but if that happens, I'm definitely investigating the sustaniac like Ted K uses because this controllable feedback biz is highly addicting. enjoy Bill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_elhONDpak&feature=channel_video_title --Apple-Mail-1--981615565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phil, I'm using a template with = 20 buttons that respond to pc messages for most of my command stuff and = the sliders I use for cc messages volume, feedback  pan, and track = speed. honestly i hardly get to the faders as I spend most of my time on = the button template. and the faders are duplicating some stuff i already = do with foot pedals. I'm so used to using a midi foot controller that = its not totally integrated yet how to best use it, but I may end up = using it to simply change patches on another processor as well, or = integrating it in to my DAW for remote control of record, transport = etc... here is another clip of the Moog guitar, this time using a more = overdriven sound and the Moog's filters and at a later point in the = improv,  I start reaching  out of camera view to hit quantize = replace commands on the I phone. Its really visually stimulating :-) = This piece has a couple of rough spots but it is a good example of this = instrument's ability to sound like I'm playing at very high volumes when = i'm not. I must say I hope I can find a way to afford one of these = babies, but if that happens, I'm definitely investigating the sustaniac = like Ted K uses because this controllable feedback biz is highly = addicting. 
enjoy
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail-1--981615565-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 01:38:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC66C183464; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 01:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=UjFjJLk23+rqpkuqeQcyqCZTrP19Cx0aiHxJIfsG8x8=; b=AIRGY8KTHdb7Tam2EkolDC4Epaefqvqr+o+X+BTBMRJ3b/j5kBdpAUbwHfIVYEURul Z53VHeFYedET79BYJUNEjxx2vEZUmrusi00qudWdjYMXk0w12V3PPHrkZpyP0RCuSzXA W5+SpRjdIw8X8kDq6Gj/1xUZ0Nuph8Hfgj7ZY= From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--979153595 Subject: Re: OSC and I phones and Whiskers on kittens........ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 18:38:15 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4E3895C9.8050608@yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3F8D4DF7-0573-4279-A7BB-E1F184FF1305@gmail.com> <4E3895C9.8050608@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1B43DF08-7C04-4D30-AD69-1FF71B9A3941@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 01:38:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--979153595 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So Hans, you are right, building a behind-the-scenes configuration page, = with dedicated controls for each MIDI identifier, then a front page with = concatenated controls - it works ! BUT... There is a latency, at least in my setup, that makes it pretty well = unusable. BUT... On a hunch, I set up the same strings as 'midi/z' commands, and - no = latency. Like BUTTER! Only more responsive :) Will build out the final template tonight and post it for whomever is = interested soon :) Thanks Hans ! Phil :) On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > Hi Phil, >=20 > Allow me to clarify what we were talking about on FB: >=20 > First, create a button with a MIDI note message, and assign that note = to the track select function in the LP-1, > ex. /midi/0x90 7 100 - that will send a note-on, channel 1, note = #7, velocity 100 > Also create a slider with a CC, and assign it to the volume parameter, > ex. /midi/0xb0 11 x - that will send CC#11, channel 1 >=20 > Now the LP-1 should respond appropriately to those MIDI commands. >=20 > So now if you create a slider that sends both track select and volume = MIDI commands together, it should select the track and then adjust the = volume. The Missing Link doesn't really care that it's a slider, it's = still going to send a note-on and then a cc if you use: /midi/0x90 7 100 = 0xb0 11 x >=20 > -Hans >=20 >=20 > On 8/2/2011 5:06 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >>=20 >> Bill, >>=20 >> How are things progressing with OSC for you? Or has the Moog stolen = all your cycles? >>=20 >> I've found TouchOSC and Missing Link fairly straightforward, but the = way the LP-1 wants to parse incoming MIDI configuration commands is a = bit obstacular... >>=20 >> Your volume, feedback, pan sliders in TouchOSC... are they track = specific? Or must you explicitly select a track first? >>=20 >> I've got a template in progress that has 8 paired sliders (a vol and = fdbk for each LP1 track), but in order to use them I have had to add an = explicit "select track" pushbutton to each pair. So this looks like: = Select track 1, use sliders for track 1; select track 3, use sliders for = track 3; etc... >>=20 >> What I'd like to do is just use the sliders directly... >>=20 >> Phil :) >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:19 PM, William Walker wrote: >>=20 >>> Some friends of my wife Nancy just gave us their old I phones so = I've downloaded OSC and the Missing link template and fired up a Missing = link, and though I have yet to figure out how to program midi program = changes in to it to get at all my LP-1 parameters happening . I've = already got it running for midi note and cc control and that in itself = is adding some cool new capability such as using midi notes to control = replace which allows me to replace portions of my loop for as long as i = touch the key on the I phones keyboard template, a true sus command that = due to laziness, I haven't tried programming my Little Giant to do. Its = great for interrupting a percolating loop with a portion of long = sustained notes or vise versa, and doing glitchy stutter replaces by = hitting the key rapidly. granted i have to take one hand of the = instrument to control it but its fun to play one handed at time as well. = Also I have programmed a fader array to control volume,=20 >>> feedback, panning and track speed and 4 individual track faders . = having the speed on a fader allows me to accurately go to different = percentages of the track speed that I could never do with a foot pedal = controller, so I can put the loop in another key, record additional = content in and then return it to the original key as follows. I'll = record content at 100% (normal speed), move it the fader to 75% (3/4 = speed), the 50% (half speed). then 37% (3/8 this speed???and finally 25% = (1/4 speed) all the while adding new content to the loop. If i'm = playing in E minor for example at normal speed, when I go to 75% speed = it drops the key to B min, I then add some more stuff, and return to the = original key. Recording at these other track speeds can cause some = interesting artifacts and overtones. The more I figure this thing out = the more i like it. The Missing Link is great for us old school hardware = guys who don't want to be left out of the future:-) and want more = control over thei >>> r gear. Additionally, any multi effect with extensive external cc = control can really benefit from what an I phone, or touch, or pad, and = a Missing Link can do to really mix your effects in real time. >>> I'm looking in to a mic stand adaptor for my I phone and also if = anyone has had any luck programming program change information on an OSC = template I'd be grateful for some help as so far I'm stymied. >>> Thanks >>> Bill >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-7--979153595 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi Phil,

Allow me to clarify what we were talking about on FB:

First, create a button with a MIDI note message, and assign that note to the track select function in the LP-1,
    ex. /midi/0x90 7 100 - that will send a = note-on, channel 1, note #7, velocity 100
Also create a slider with a CC, and assign it to the volume parameter,
    ex. /midi/0xb0 11 x - that will send = CC#11, channel 1

Now the LP-1 should respond appropriately to those MIDI = commands.

So now if you create a slider that sends both track select and volume MIDI commands together, it should select the track and then adjust the volume.  The Missing Link doesn't really = care that it's a slider, it's still going to send a note-on and then a cc if you use: /midi/0x90 7 100 0xb0 11 x

-Hans


On 8/2/2011 5:06 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
= 
Bill,

How are things progressing with OSC for you? Or has the Moog stolen all =
your cycles?

I've found TouchOSC and Missing Link fairly straightforward, but the way =
the LP-1 wants to parse incoming MIDI configuration commands is a bit =
obstacular...

Your volume, feedback, pan sliders in TouchOSC... are they track =
specific? Or must you explicitly select a track first?

I've got a template in progress that has 8 paired sliders (a vol and =
fdbk for each LP1 track), but in order to use them I have had to add an =
explicit "select track" pushbutton to each pair. So this looks like: =
Select track 1, use sliders for track 1; select track 3, use sliders for =
track 3; etc...

What I'd like to do is just use the sliders directly...

Phil :)


On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:19 PM, William Walker wrote:


Some friends of my wife  Nancy just gave us their =
old I phones so I've downloaded OSC and the Missing link template and =
fired up a Missing link, and though I have yet to figure out how to =
program midi program changes in to it to get at all my  LP-1 parameters =
happening .  I've already got it running for midi note and cc control =
and that in itself is adding some cool new capability such as using midi =
notes to control replace which allows me to replace portions of my loop =
for as long  as i touch the key on the I phones keyboard template, a =
true sus command that due to laziness, I haven't tried programming my =
Little Giant to do. Its  great for interrupting a percolating loop with =
a portion of long sustained notes or vise versa, and doing glitchy =
stutter replaces by hitting the  key rapidly. granted i have to take one =
hand of the instrument to control it but its fun to play one handed at =
time as well. Also I have programmed a fader array to control  volume,=20=

 feedback, panning and track speed and 4 individual track faders . =
having the speed on a fader allows me to accurately go to different =
percentages of the track speed that I could never do with a foot pedal =
controller,  so I can put the loop in another key, record additional =
content in  and then return it to the original key as follows. I'll =
record content at 100% (normal speed), move it the fader  to 75% (3/4 =
speed), the 50% (half speed). then 37% (3/8 this speed???and finally 25% =
(1/4 speed) all the while adding new content to the loop.  If i'm =
playing in E minor for example at normal speed, when I go to 75% speed =
it drops the key to B min, I then add some more stuff, and return to the =
original key. Recording at these other track speeds can cause some =
interesting artifacts and overtones.  The more I figure this thing out =
the more i like it. The Missing Link is great for us old school hardware =
guys who don't want to be left out of the future:-) and want more =
control over thei
r gear. Additionally, any multi effect with extensive external cc =
control can really benefit from what an I phone, or touch, or pad,  and =
a Missing Link can do to really mix your effects in real time.
I'm looking in to a mic stand adaptor for my I phone and also if anyone =
has had any luck programming program change information on an OSC =
template I'd be grateful for some help as so far I'm stymied.
Thanks
Bill



    

    

  




=

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Hans, Bill, and anyone else interested, here is my OSC LP1/EDP mixer =
template.

http://wifimidi.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3D6&t=3D129

Hans, I reverted back to straight compound MIDI strings, my initial =
success with the MIDI/z stuff could not be replicated. Gah ! Therefore, =
the latency problem that I mentioned persists with all the faders that =
send compound commands. Any LP1/OSC users out there feel like debugging, =
have at it...

Meantime this is close enough for here and now, and close enough to =
share. It's been a fun evening playing with Missing Link and OSC.  :)

Phil :)


On Aug 2, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

>=20
>=20
> So Hans, you are right, building a behind-the-scenes configuration =
page, with dedicated controls for each MIDI identifier, then a front =
page with concatenated controls - it works !
>=20
> BUT...
>=20
> There is a latency, at least in my setup, that makes it pretty well =
unusable.
>=20
> BUT...
>=20
> On a hunch, I set up the same strings as 'midi/z' commands, and - no =
latency. Like BUTTER! Only more responsive :)
>=20
> Will build out the final template tonight and post it for whomever is =
interested soon :)
>=20
> Thanks Hans !
>=20
> Phil :)
>=20
>=20
> On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Phil,
>>=20
>> Allow me to clarify what we were talking about on FB:
>>=20
>> First, create a button with a MIDI note message, and assign that note =
to the track select function in the LP-1,
>>     ex. /midi/0x90 7 100 - that will send a note-on, channel 1, note =
#7, velocity 100
>> Also create a slider with a CC, and assign it to the volume =
parameter,
>>     ex. /midi/0xb0 11 x - that will send CC#11, channel 1
>>=20
>> Now the LP-1 should respond appropriately to those MIDI commands.
>>=20
>> So now if you create a slider that sends both track select and volume =
MIDI commands together, it should select the track and then adjust the =
volume.  The Missing Link doesn't really care that it's a slider, it's =
still going to send a note-on and then a cc if you use: /midi/0x90 7 100 =
0xb0 11 x
>>=20
>> -Hans
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 8/2/2011 5:06 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Bill,
>>>=20
>>> How are things progressing with OSC for you? Or has the Moog stolen =
all your cycles?
>>>=20
>>> I've found TouchOSC and Missing Link fairly straightforward, but the =
way the LP-1 wants to parse incoming MIDI configuration commands is a =
bit obstacular...
>>>=20
>>> Your volume, feedback, pan sliders in TouchOSC... are they track =
specific? Or must you explicitly select a track first?
>>>=20
>>> I've got a template in progress that has 8 paired sliders (a vol and =
fdbk for each LP1 track), but in order to use them I have had to add an =
explicit "select track" pushbutton to each pair. So this looks like: =
Select track 1, use sliders for track 1; select track 3, use sliders for =
track 3; etc...
>>>=20
>>> What I'd like to do is just use the sliders directly...
>>>=20
>>> Phil :)
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:19 PM, William Walker wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Some friends of my wife  Nancy just gave us their old I phones so =
I've downloaded OSC and the Missing link template and fired up a Missing =
link, and though I have yet to figure out how to program midi program =
changes in to it to get at all my  LP-1 parameters happening .  I've =
already got it running for midi note and cc control and that in itself =
is adding some cool new capability such as using midi notes to control =
replace which allows me to replace portions of my loop for as long  as i =
touch the key on the I phones keyboard template, a true sus command that =
due to laziness, I haven't tried programming my Little Giant to do. Its  =
great for interrupting a percolating loop with a portion of long =
sustained notes or vise versa, and doing glitchy stutter replaces by =
hitting the  key rapidly. granted i have to take one hand of the =
instrument to control it but its fun to play one handed at time as well. =
Also I have programmed a fader array to control  volume,=20
>>>>  feedback, panning and track speed and 4 individual track faders . =
having the speed on a fader allows me to accurately go to different =
percentages of the track speed that I could never do with a foot pedal =
controller,  so I can put the loop in another key, record additional =
content in  and then return it to the original key as follows. I'll =
record content at 100% (normal speed), move it the fader  to 75% (3/4 =
speed), the 50% (half speed). then 37% (3/8 this speed???and finally 25% =
(1/4 speed) all the while adding new content to the loop.  If i'm =
playing in E minor for example at normal speed, when I go to 75% speed =
it drops the key to B min, I then add some more stuff, and return to the =
original key. Recording at these other track speeds can cause some =
interesting artifacts and overtones.  The more I figure this thing out =
the more i like it. The Missing Link is great for us old school hardware =
guys who don't want to be left out of the future:-) and want more =
control over thei
>>>> r gear. Additionally, any multi effect with extensive external cc =
control can really benefit from what an I phone, or touch, or pad,  and =
a Missing Link can do to really mix your effects in real time.
>>>> I'm looking in to a mic stand adaptor for my I phone and also if =
anyone has had any luck programming program change information on an OSC =
template I'd be grateful for some help as so far I'm stymied.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bill
>>>>=20
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>>=20
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Hans, =
Bill, and anyone else interested, here is my OSC LP1/EDP mixer =
template.

http:/=
/wifimidi.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3D6&t=3D129

Hans, I reverted back to straight compound MIDI strings, my =
initial success with the MIDI/z stuff could not be replicated. Gah ! =
Therefore, the latency problem that I mentioned persists with all the =
faders that send compound commands. Any LP1/OSC users out there feel =
like debugging, have at it...

Meantime this is =
close enough for here and now, and close enough to share. It's been a =
fun evening playing with Missing Link and OSC. =
 :)

Phil =
:)


On Aug 2, 2011, at 6:38 PM, =
Phil Clevenger wrote:



So =
Hans, you are right, building a behind-the-scenes configuration =
page, with dedicated controls for each MIDI identifier, then a front =
page with concatenated controls - it works =
!

BUT...

There is a =
latency, at least in my setup, that makes it pretty well =
unusable.

BUT...

On a =
hunch, I set up the same strings as 'midi/z' commands, and - no =
latency. Like BUTTER! Only more responsive =
:)

Will build out the final template tonight =
and post it for whomever is interested soon =
:)

Thanks Hans !

Phil =
:)


On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:26 PM, =
Hans Lindauer wrote:


    Hi Phil,

    

    Allow me to clarify what we were talking about on FB:

    

    First, create a button with a MIDI note message, and assign that
    note to the track select function in the LP-1,

        ex. /midi/0x90 7 100 - that will send a =
note-on, channel
    1, note #7, velocity 100

    Also create a slider with a CC, and assign it to the volume
    parameter,

        ex. /midi/0xb0 11 x - that will send =
CC#11, channel 1

    

    Now the LP-1 should respond appropriately to those MIDI =
commands.

    

    So now if you create a slider that sends both track select
      and volume MIDI commands together, it should select the track
    and then adjust the volume.  The Missing Link doesn't really =
care
    that it's a slider, it's still going to send a note-on and then a cc
    if you use: /midi/0x90 7 100 0xb0 11 x

    

    -Hans

    

    

    On 8/2/2011 5:06 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
    
=

      
Bill,

How are things progressing with OSC for you? Or has the Moog stolen all =
your cycles?

I've found TouchOSC and Missing Link fairly straightforward, but the way =
the LP-1 wants to parse incoming MIDI configuration commands is a bit =
obstacular...

Your volume, feedback, pan sliders in TouchOSC... are they track =
specific? Or must you explicitly select a track first?

I've got a template in progress that has 8 paired sliders (a vol and =
fdbk for each LP1 track), but in order to use them I have had to add an =
explicit "select track" pushbutton to each pair. So this looks like: =
Select track 1, use sliders for track 1; select track 3, use sliders for =
track 3; etc...

What I'd like to do is just use the sliders directly...

Phil :)


On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:19 PM, William Walker wrote:



      

        
Some friends of my wife  Nancy just gave us their =
old I phones so I've downloaded OSC and the Missing link template and =
fired up a Missing link, and though I have yet to figure out how to =
program midi program changes in to it to get at all my  LP-1 parameters =
happening .  I've already got it running for midi note and cc control =
and that in itself is adding some cool new capability such as using midi =
notes to control replace which allows me to replace portions of my loop =
for as long  as i touch the key on the I phones keyboard template, a =
true sus command that due to laziness, I haven't tried programming my =
Little Giant to do. Its  great for interrupting a percolating loop with =
a portion of long sustained notes or vise versa, and doing glitchy =
stutter replaces by hitting the  key rapidly. granted i have to take one =
hand of the instrument to control it but its fun to play one handed at =
time as well. Also I have programmed a fader array to control  volume,=20=

 feedback, panning and track speed and 4 individual track faders . =
having the speed on a fader allows me to accurately go to different =
percentages of the track speed that I could never do with a foot pedal =
controller,  so I can put the loop in another key, record additional =
content in  and then return it to the original key as follows. I'll =
record content at 100% (normal speed), move it the fader  to 75% (3/4 =
speed), the 50% (half speed). then 37% (3/8 this speed???and finally 25% =
(1/4 speed) all the while adding new content to the loop.  If i'm =
playing in E minor for example at normal speed, when I go to 75% speed =
it drops the key to B min, I then add some more stuff, and return to the =
original key. Recording at these other track speeds can cause some =
interesting artifacts and overtones.  The more I figure this thing out =
the more i like it. The Missing Link is great for us old school hardware =
guys who don't want to be left out of the future:-) and want more =
control over thei
r gear. Additionally, any multi effect with extensive external cc =
control can really benefit from what an I phone, or touch, or pad,  and =
a Missing Link can do to really mix your effects in real time.
I'm looking in to a mic stand adaptor for my I phone and also if anyone =
has had any luck programming program change information on an OSC =
template I'd be grateful for some help as so far I'm stymied.
Thanks
Bill



      

      

    

    

  


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Hans Lindauer wrote:
>   Hi Phil,
 
> Now the LP-1 should respond appropriately to those MIDI commands.
> 
> So now if you create a slider that sends /both/ track select/ and/ 
> volume MIDI commands together, it should select the track and then 
> adjust the volume.  

It's also possible to simply send 8 different CCs to the LP-1
and have them adjust the volume for individual tracks.
No need to select the track in that case.

e.g. instead of assigning to "Track Volume" select "Track 1 Volume".

(same for Pan and Feedback)

andy butler
Yep, one of those tiny midi controllers would make a nice addition
to an LP-1

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Hey Andy,

Yes, that's the perplexing thing... I am in fact using track-specific =
calls for each fader, as you suggest... I expected the behavior you =
describe, too... but the LP1 will not respond, at least not to TouchOSC =
on my iPad over wifi via the Missing Link, unless I explicitly send a =
Select Track command first :/

Phil :)


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> It's also possible to simply send 8 different CCs to the LP-1
> and have them adjust the volume for individual tracks.
> No need to select the track in that case.
>=20
> e.g. instead of assigning to "Track Volume" select "Track 1 Volume".
>=20
> (same for Pan and Feedback)
>=20
> andy butler
> Yep, one of those tiny midi controllers would make a nice addition
> to an LP-1
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Is it possible to have the switches set up to *only* do shortpress,
and not the longpress alternative?

Reason is that the short press function won't be activated until
you *release* the switch...not fast enough for accurate enough timing on 
some functions.

andy

Hoby Ebert wrote:
> Another way to look at it is that the 'Rang has 11 functions that can be
> assigned to buttons. With the side car you have 8 "bonus button" slots and 3
> dedicated buttons. 

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Strange,
it certainly works here with a regular midi controller.
I've got 24 different CC controllers handling Vol Pan and Fbk
for each track. 
...and of course, to the LP-1 it makes no difference which route
the midi came from.


Glad you got it working, might be worth solving the 
mystery though.

It doesn't make any sense that you were able 
to get the LP-1 to learn the CC values (which would have been
displayed on the front panel) and that following that it wouldn't respond.

Logically it's either
1) extra commands being sent by your controller
2) LP-1 set up file is corrupt (I doubt it, but if you can save it via
   pc you could always send it to me for examination)
3) some fault in the connection that just happened to produce the observed result.
4) you're using an old software version on the LP-1...I've not heard of that issue though.

andy

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> 
> Yes, that's the perplexing thing... I am in fact using track-specific calls for each fader, as you suggest... I expected the behavior you describe, too... but the LP1 will not respond, at least not to TouchOSC on my iPad over wifi via the Missing Link, unless I explicitly send a Select Track command first :/
> 
> Phil :)

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Before my Rang arrived, I thought that would be an issue but it never has 
been. The Loop buttons of course are instantaneous, and it's easy to assign 
non-timing critical functions to "Hold".

So, for example, I will assign things like "Once" and "Fade" to Hold, 
because timing isn't critical on those. In fact, I find in actual practice 
that Holding has never been an issue, to my surprise. I think it's one of 
those things where in theory, it seems like Holding a button for 1 second to 
invoke a function would have to present timing problems, when in actual 
practice it turns out to be a non-issue.

Hope that helps.

Brian

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> Is it possible to have the switches set up to *only* do shortpress,
> and not the longpress alternative?
>
> Reason is that the short press function won't be activated until
> you *release* the switch...not fast enough for accurate enough timing on 
> some functions.
>
> andy

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hi Brian,

my point is not the timing of the longpress functions,
but that of the shortpress.

The function, in some cases at least, can't be activated
until the switch is released, rather than when it is pressed.
(the EDP gets round that by careful pairing of short and long functions)
That's the cost of having 2 functions on the button.


That means, if you hit half Speed it will be delayed,
even though it's put on a Shortpress button.
..and that's a time sensitive function.

So, is it possible to config the bonus buttons for just
one instantaneous function?


andy


Brian Carabee wrote:
> Before my Rang arrived, I thought that would be an issue but it never 
> has been. The Loop buttons of course are instantaneous, and it's easy to 
> assign non-timing critical functions to "Hold".
> 
> So, for example, I will assign things like "Once" and "Fade" to Hold, 
> because timing isn't critical on those. In fact, I find in actual 
> practice that Holding has never been an issue, to my surprise. I think 
> it's one of those things where in theory, it seems like Holding a button 
> for 1 second to invoke a function would have to present timing problems, 
> when in actual practice it turns out to be a non-issue.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Brian

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well the long press can be a bit tricky for ex. on my M9,i guess i
have to practice that more,specially when im ready to loop an arranged
song,and also because i dont always know in what mode i am while busy
singing and forget to look at the blinking tap tempo but the rang
might be different.
By the way is there a small cheap midi footswitch to send a single
midi comand like a cc or pg outhere?
that would probably make things a bit faster,if i put it beside the m9
on the pedalboard,the smallest ive seen is the midi mouse for tech 21
but is just too x pensive for that.
Luis

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:01 PM, andy butler  wrote:
> hi Brian,
>
> my point is not the timing of the longpress functions,
> but that of the shortpress.
>
> The function, in some cases at least, can't be activated
> until the switch is released, rather than when it is pressed.
> (the EDP gets round that by careful pairing of short and long functions)
> That's the cost of having 2 functions on the button.
>
>
> That means, if you hit half Speed it will be delayed,
> even though it's put on a Shortpress button.
> ..and that's a time sensitive function.
>
> So, is it possible to config the bonus buttons for just
> one instantaneous function?
>
>
> andy
>
>
> Brian Carabee wrote:
>>
>> Before my Rang arrived, I thought that would be an issue but it never has
>> been. The Loop buttons of course are instantaneous, and it's easy to assign
>> non-timing critical functions to "Hold".
>>
>> So, for example, I will assign things like "Once" and "Fade" to Hold,
>> because timing isn't critical on those. In fact, I find in actual practice
>> that Holding has never been an issue, to my surprise. I think it's one of
>> those things where in theory, it seems like Holding a button for 1 second to
>> invoke a function would have to present timing problems, when in actual
>> practice it turns out to be a non-issue.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Brian
>
>



-- 
www.luis-angulo.com

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Hey everyone,

I'm a guitarist/looper from Atlanta.

I'll be in the Albany/Woodstock area on 8/26 (after attending the  
Three of a Perfect Pair music camp - yay!) and I'm wondering if I  
might find someplace to perform my guitar loops while I'm still in  
town that evening.

Anybody have any venue recommendations?

Thanks.

--
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http://curiomusic.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:27:21 -0500
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This is somewhat anecdotal, because we don't use Windows very often, but
Parallels has worked well for us but was definitely slower than running
windows natively. Once Mac provided the option to install Windows directly
on it's own partition, we stopped using Parallels.

We have two older iMacs in the office that have Windows installed on their
own partition, and they perform wonderfully. I don't have any bench tests or
anything like that, but we've had nothing but success running a variety apps
(including video, but not audio) when booting up Windows on our iMacs.

Jeff

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Daniel Thomas wrote:

> >> , such as how to switch between the 2, how to work a plug in for windows
> while simultaneously running mac plug-ins, etc.
>
> Here is a good article on Parallels set up and configuration.
>
> http://lifehacker.com/221002/hack-attack-how-to-run-windows-and-mac-apps-side+by+side-with-parallels
>
>
> FWIW, I would just install windoze on a seperate partition rather than
> using a virtual machine emulation like Parallels.
>
>
> Have any mac people on the list had audio/video production experience with
> using the parallel's virtual machine emulation?   If so,  how is the
> performance and what DAW/ Editor did you use?
>
> cheers all
> Daniel
>
> On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
> > Have you tried looking for an application named Parallels? Just a wild
> idea...
> >
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.boysen.se
> > www.perboysen.com
> > www.looproom.com internet music hub
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:09 PM, bill bigrig 
> wrote:
> >> Howdy,
> >>
> >>  I bought an Imac a year or so ago, 550 G disc, 4G ram. It says it has
> parralels or somethignto that effect. I've only used the thing for 5 or 6
> hours, toying with garage band. Do I just go in and click on something to
> bring up the PC part? I'm assuming it came already in the computer. Any
> advise on this would be greatly appreciated, such as how to switch between
> the 2, how to work a plug in for windows while simultaneously running mac
> plug-ins, etc.
> >> Rig
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

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This is somewhat anecdotal, because we don't use Windows very often, bu=
t Parallels has worked well for us but was definitely slower than running w=
indows natively. Once Mac provided the option to install Windows directly o=
n it's own partition, we stopped using Parallels. 


We have two older iMacs in the office that have Windows installed on th=
eir own partition, and they perform wonderfully. I don't have any bench=
 tests or anything like that, but we've had nothing but success running=
 a variety apps (including video, but not audio) when booting up Windows on=
 our iMacs.


Jeff

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:39 AM,=
 Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrote:


>> , such as how to switch between the 2, how to wo=
rk a plug in for windows while simultaneously running mac plug-ins, etc.



Here is a good article on Parallels set up and configuration.

http://lifehacker.c=
om/221002/hack-attack-how-to-run-windows-and-mac-apps-side+by+side-with-par=
allels






FWIW, I would just install windoze on a seperate partition rather than usin=
g a virtual machine emulation like Parallels.





Have any mac people on the list had audio/video production experience with =
using the parallel's virtual machine emulation? =A0 If so, =A0how is th=
e performance and what DAW/ Editor did you use?



cheers all

Daniel




On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote:



> Have you tried looking for an application named Parallels? Just a wild=
 idea...

>

> Greetings from Sweden

>

> Per Boysen

> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.c=
om

> www.looproom.com=
 internet music hub

>

>

>

> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:09 PM, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Howdy,

>>

>> =A0I bought an Imac a year or so ago, 550 G disc, 4G ram. It says =
it has parralels or somethignto that effect. I've only used the thing f=
or 5 or 6 hours, toying with garage band. Do I just go in and click on some=
thing to bring up the PC part? I'm assuming it came already in the comp=
uter. Any advise on this would be greatly appreciated, such as how to switc=
h between the 2, how to work a plug in for windows while simultaneously run=
ning mac plug-ins, etc.


>> Rig

>>

>>

>







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I'm probably misunderstanding you. You guys are far more advanced than I, 
and my exposure to the various models of loopers is limited. Maybe this is 
an opportunity for me to learn something. Can you tell me exactly how you 
define "longpress" and "shortpress"?

On the Rang, each bonus button can each be assigned both one function with 
an immediate tap, and another function with a 1 second hold. As far as I can 
see, no matter what the function, the tap invokes the function 
instantaneously.

So with the sidecar, you have a total of 4 bonus buttons that can access 
four functions with an quick tap, and four with a 1 second hold.

As an aside, there is now an ability to set "Stack" to "Momentary". Instead 
of tap on, tap off, you can hold it down to stack and let it go to stop 
stacking.

I realize you might be rolling your eyes, LOL, because I'm misunderstanding 
you, but I'm here to learn, so if you care to enlighten me I'd be grateful.

Brian


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "andy butler" 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar


> hi Brian,
>
> my point is not the timing of the longpress functions,
> but that of the shortpress.
>
> The function, in some cases at least, can't be activated
> until the switch is released, rather than when it is pressed.
> (the EDP gets round that by careful pairing of short and long functions)
> That's the cost of having 2 functions on the button.
>
>
> That means, if you hit half Speed it will be delayed,
> even though it's put on a Shortpress button.
> ..and that's a time sensitive function.
>
> So, is it possible to config the bonus buttons for just
> one instantaneous function?
>
>
> andy
>
>
> Brian Carabee wrote:
>> Before my Rang arrived, I thought that would be an issue but it never has 
>> been. The Loop buttons of course are instantaneous, and it's easy to 
>> assign non-timing critical functions to "Hold".
>>
>> So, for example, I will assign things like "Once" and "Fade" to Hold, 
>> because timing isn't critical on those. In fact, I find in actual 
>> practice that Holding has never been an issue, to my surprise. I think 
>> it's one of those things where in theory, it seems like Holding a button 
>> for 1 second to invoke a function would have to present timing problems, 
>> when in actual practice it turns out to be a non-issue.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Brian
> 

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> I realize you might be rolling your eyes

This is the least eye-rolling, most facilitating, bunch of co-learners on the internet.  Sweat not.  
Now, that said, I know next to nothing about the Rang.  Just wanted to say, LD is a safe house for noobs and maestros alike. 

D

On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Brian Carabee wrote:

> I'm probably misunderstanding you. You guys are far more advanced than I, and my exposure to the various models of loopers is limited. Maybe this is an opportunity for me to learn something. Can you tell me exactly how you define "longpress" and "shortpress"?
> 
> On the Rang, each bonus button can each be assigned both one function with an immediate tap, and another function with a 1 second hold. As far as I can see, no matter what the function, the tap invokes the function instantaneously.
> 
> So with the sidecar, you have a total of 4 bonus buttons that can access four functions with an quick tap, and four with a 1 second hold.
> 
> As an aside, there is now an ability to set "Stack" to "Momentary". Instead of tap on, tap off, you can hold it down to stack and let it go to stop stacking.
> 
> I realize you might be rolling your eyes, LOL, because I'm misunderstanding you, but I'm here to learn, so if you care to enlighten me I'd be grateful.
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar
> 
> 
>> hi Brian,
>> 
>> my point is not the timing of the longpress functions,
>> but that of the shortpress.
>> 
>> The function, in some cases at least, can't be activated
>> until the switch is released, rather than when it is pressed.
>> (the EDP gets round that by careful pairing of short and long functions)
>> That's the cost of having 2 functions on the button.
>> 
>> 
>> That means, if you hit half Speed it will be delayed,
>> even though it's put on a Shortpress button.
>> ..and that's a time sensitive function.
>> 
>> So, is it possible to config the bonus buttons for just
>> one instantaneous function?
>> 
>> 
>> andy
>> 
>> 
>> Brian Carabee wrote:
>>> Before my Rang arrived, I thought that would be an issue but it never has been. The Loop buttons of course are instantaneous, and it's easy to assign non-timing critical functions to "Hold".
>>> 
>>> So, for example, I will assign things like "Once" and "Fade" to Hold, because timing isn't critical on those. In fact, I find in actual practice that Holding has never been an issue, to my surprise. I think it's one of those things where in theory, it seems like Holding a button for 1 second to invoke a function would have to present timing problems, when in actual practice it turns out to be a non-issue.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> Brian
> 

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I believe what Andy is saying is the fact that since there is a long =
press and short press function on the same button=85=85=85. then the =
software has to execute the function when you release the button. If the =
software executed the short press as you depressed the button it would =
be impossible to ever have a long press.

There is noway, to my knowledge, that you can change that behavior on =
the rang3 but since we are talking about milliseconds from the click of =
your foot down to up on the boomerang style buttons it would be easy to =
learn to time the function yourself with a little practice. Especially =
if your armed with the knowledge of it's behavior.=20

All that said, I don't have a rang3 to test on now (but I've used one =
before) so I could be blowing smoke. Just trying to help


On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Brian Carabee wrote:

> I'm probably misunderstanding you. You guys are far more advanced than =
I, and my exposure to the various models of loopers is limited. Maybe =
this is an opportunity for me to learn something. Can you tell me =
exactly how you define "longpress" and "shortpress"?
>=20
> On the Rang, each bonus button can each be assigned both one function =
with an immediate tap, and another function with a 1 second hold. As far =
as I can see, no matter what the function, the tap invokes the function =
instantaneously.
>=20
> So with the sidecar, you have a total of 4 bonus buttons that can =
access four functions with an quick tap, and four with a 1 second hold.
>=20
> As an aside, there is now an ability to set "Stack" to "Momentary". =
Instead of tap on, tap off, you can hold it down to stack and let it go =
to stop stacking.
>=20
> I realize you might be rolling your eyes, LOL, because I'm =
misunderstanding you, but I'm here to learn, so if you care to enlighten =
me I'd be grateful.
>=20
> Brian
>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" =

> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar
>=20
>=20
>> hi Brian,
>>=20
>> my point is not the timing of the longpress functions,
>> but that of the shortpress.
>>=20
>> The function, in some cases at least, can't be activated
>> until the switch is released, rather than when it is pressed.
>> (the EDP gets round that by careful pairing of short and long =
functions)
>> That's the cost of having 2 functions on the button.
>>=20
>>=20
>> That means, if you hit half Speed it will be delayed,
>> even though it's put on a Shortpress button.
>> ..and that's a time sensitive function.
>>=20
>> So, is it possible to config the bonus buttons for just
>> one instantaneous function?
>>=20
>>=20
>> andy
>>=20
>>=20
>> Brian Carabee wrote:
>>> Before my Rang arrived, I thought that would be an issue but it =
never has been. The Loop buttons of course are instantaneous, and it's =
easy to assign non-timing critical functions to "Hold".
>>>=20
>>> So, for example, I will assign things like "Once" and "Fade" to =
Hold, because timing isn't critical on those. In fact, I find in actual =
practice that Holding has never been an issue, to my surprise. I think =
it's one of those things where in theory, it seems like Holding a button =
for 1 second to invoke a function would have to present timing problems, =
when in actual practice it turns out to be a non-issue.
>>>=20
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>=20
>>> Brian
>=20

--------------------
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toddbass.com
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ty guys for all the adive-

kapture looks awesome and will definitely come in handy in the future-
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Todd Matthews wrote:
> I believe what Andy is saying is the fact that since there is a long press and short press function on the same button………. then the software has to execute the function when you release the button. If the software executed the short press as you depressed the button it would be impossible to ever have a long press.
> 
> There is noway, to my knowledge, that you can change that behavior on the rang3 but since we are talking about milliseconds from the click of your foot down to up on the boomerang style buttons it would be easy to learn to time the function yourself with a little practice. Especially if your armed with the knowledge of it's behavior. 
> 
> All that said, I don't have a rang3 to test on now (but I've used one before) so I could be blowing smoke. Just trying to help
>

hi Todd,
:-) that's much better than my answer which I've just deleted.



andy

 
> 
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Brian Carabee wrote:
> 
>> I'm probably misunderstanding you. You guys are far more advanced than I, and my exposure to the various models of loopers is limited. Maybe this is an opportunity for me to learn something. Can you tell me exactly how you define "longpress" and "shortpress"?
>>
>> On the Rang, each bonus button can each be assigned both one function with an immediate tap, and another function with a 1 second hold. As far as I can see, no matter what the function, the tap invokes the function instantaneously.
>>
>> So with the sidecar, you have a total of 4 bonus buttons that can access four functions with an quick tap, and four with a 1 second hold.
>>
>> As an aside, there is now an ability to set "Stack" to "Momentary". Instead of tap on, tap off, you can hold it down to stack and let it go to stop stacking.
>>
>> I realize you might be rolling your eyes, LOL, because I'm misunderstanding you, but I'm here to learn, so if you care to enlighten me I'd be grateful.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: Boomerang with Sidecar
>>
>>
>>> hi Brian,
>>>
>>> my point is not the timing of the longpress functions,
>>> but that of the shortpress.
>>>
>>> The function, in some cases at least, can't be activated
>>> until the switch is released, rather than when it is pressed.
>>> (the EDP gets round that by careful pairing of short and long functions)
>>> That's the cost of having 2 functions on the button.
>>>
>>>
>>> That means, if you hit half Speed it will be delayed,
>>> even though it's put on a Shortpress button.
>>> ..and that's a time sensitive function.
>>>
>>> So, is it possible to config the bonus buttons for just
>>> one instantaneous function?
>>>
>>>
>>> andy
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Carabee wrote:
>>>> Before my Rang arrived, I thought that would be an issue but it never has been. The Loop buttons of course are instantaneous, and it's easy to assign non-timing critical functions to "Hold".
>>>>
>>>> So, for example, I will assign things like "Once" and "Fade" to Hold, because timing isn't critical on those. In fact, I find in actual practice that Holding has never been an issue, to my surprise. I think it's one of those things where in theory, it seems like Holding a button for 1 second to invoke a function would have to present timing problems, when in actual practice it turns out to be a non-issue.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
> 
> --------------------
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> toddbass.com
> twitter: gtodd876
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Say I set up a loop on an EDP or LP1 (anything really), is there any way to
take that loop/sample and play it with a keyboard?

I was thinking of doing live sampling. I know it would be easier to capture
something in ableton, drop it to sampler, and play it with a midi keyboard.
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On the EDP, I think SamplerMode is what you want.

On 8/3/2011 2:50 PM, marcus kirby wrote:
> Say I set up a loop on an EDP or LP1 (anything really), is there any 
> way to take that loop/sample and play it with a keyboard?
>
> I was thinking of doing live sampling. I know it would be easier to 
> capture something in ableton, drop it to sampler, and play it with a 
> midi keyboard. I just wanted to know if this was possible with older 
> units.


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    On the EDP, I think SamplerMode is what you want.

    

    On 8/3/2011 2:50 PM, marcus kirby wrote:
    

      
      Say I set up
        a loop on an EDP or LP1 (anything really), is there any way to
        take that loop/sample and play it with a keyboard?
        

          

        

        
I was thinking of doing live sampling. I know it would be
          easier to capture something in ableton, drop it to sampler,
          and play it with a midi keyboard. I just wanted to know if
          this was possible with older units.

      
    

    

  


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Elektron Octatrack can do that end much else that is VERY fun... and useful=
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Say I set up a loop on an EDP or LP1 (anything really)=2C is there any way =
to take that loop/sample and play it with a keyboard?

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Elektron Octatrack can do that end much else that is VERY fun... and useful=
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I have actually tested if there is any kind of delay, and I have found the 
buttons to respond virtually instantaneously. If I flick a button with my 
finger at lightening-speed I can cause the function to not trigger, but if I 
just slow down that flick an imperceptible hair, the function will trigger.

I can't tap with my foot fast enough to get it not to trigger. I have to use 
my finger with an ultra-quick slap. So that tells me there is an absolute 
minimum de-bounce delay, well below the ability of the foot to out-run. 
Apparently the Rang makes the calculation within a couple of milliseconds 
whether it's a Tap or a Hold.

The second thing is that the flat Rang foot switches have a tiny throw 
distance. Unlike most foot switches (especially those long-throw vacuum 
cleaner switches), the Rang's switches are designed to require the bare 
minimum of travel distance to fire. My switch throw distance is about 1 mm 
or slightly less. I've never seen a pedal of any kind with more precise 
response.

For those reasons I'm able to get pristine timing on my loops, and I am very 
critical about that. There is no way to program the buttons for only short 
presses, aka "Taps". Of course, since the Sidecar communicates through a 
midi cable (though I'm not sure it transmits actual midi data), the 
ultra-fast response of the Sidecar (and even the main Rang unit **could** be 
affected. I'll have to see when it comes in.

Brian

----- Original Message ----- 
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I believe what Andy is saying is the fact that since there is a long press 
and short press function on the same button………. then the software has to 
execute the function when you release the button. If the software executed 
the short press as you depressed the button it would be impossible to ever 
have a long press.

There is noway, to my knowledge, that you can change that behavior on the 
rang3 but since we are talking about milliseconds from the click of your 
foot down to up on the boomerang style buttons it would be easy to learn to 
time the function yourself with a little practice. Especially if your armed 
with the knowledge of it's behavior.

All that said, I don't have a rang3 to test on now (but I've used one 
before) so I could be blowing smoke. Just trying to help 

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Andy, and LD crew,

Debugging:

I have tried the same track-specific commands this evening, MIDI =
hard-wired directly into the LP-1 from an FC300 controller.

Result is exactly the same: Using any of these - Assign Pedal > Track =
'n' Volume / Track 'n' Feedback / Track 'n' Pan - fails to select the =
designated track.

Let's say i am at Track 1, and have set up pedal Controllers #7 and #1 =
to govern Track 8 volume and feedback, respectively.

Using the Track 8 Volume-assigned pedal will show in the display that it =
is attempting to control Vol, but the track is still Track 1, and the =
numeric readout is static no matter how much I flail on the pedal.

Just as with the Missing Link, if I invoke the corresponding Select =
Track 'n' command first, then the controls work fine - for that track =
only of course. So I might as well be using the generic Track Volume and =
Track Feedback and Pan commands, with a Select Track to begin with, it =
would be the same thing. If I wanted the extra gesture :)

So it feels to me like the track-specific Vol/Feedback/Pan commands in =
the LP-1 are just not working as expected. Unless there is some utterly =
stupid user error happening here?

I am using 1.39...

Any thoughts? Anyone else see this behavior?

Phil :)


On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:20 AM, andy butler wrote:

> Strange,
> it certainly works here with a regular midi controller.
> I've got 24 different CC controllers handling Vol Pan and Fbk
> for each track. ...and of course, to the LP-1 it makes no difference =
which route
> the midi came from.
>=20
>=20
> Glad you got it working, might be worth solving the mystery though.
>=20
> It doesn't make any sense that you were able to get the LP-1 to learn =
the CC values (which would have been
> displayed on the front panel) and that following that it wouldn't =
respond.
>=20
> Logically it's either
> 1) extra commands being sent by your controller
> 2) LP-1 set up file is corrupt (I doubt it, but if you can save it via
>  pc you could always send it to me for examination)
> 3) some fault in the connection that just happened to produce the =
observed result.
> 4) you're using an old software version on the LP-1...I've not heard =
of that issue though.
>=20
> andy
>=20
> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>> Hey Andy,
>> Yes, that's the perplexing thing... I am in fact using track-specific =
calls for each fader, as you suggest... I expected the behavior you =
describe, too... but the LP1 will not respond, at least not to TouchOSC =
on my iPad over wifi via the Missing Link, unless I explicitly send a =
Select Track command first :/
>> Phil :)
>=20

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Feeling like a dope for polluting the airwaves here...

FOUND THE PROB.

There is a setting in the LP-1 called "Track Follows CC."

It needs to be set to "Yes."

I have read that section of the manual countless times, unable to make =
heads or tails of its meaning.

Now I know :)

And now, the TouchOSC sliders over wifi MIDI via the Missing Link... =
dare I say it again... like BUTTAH. :D

Phil :)

ps revising my posted template at the Missing Link forum shortly.


On Aug 3, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

> Andy, and LD crew,
>=20
> Debugging:
>=20
> I have tried the same track-specific commands this evening, MIDI =
hard-wired directly into the LP-1 from an FC300 controller.
>=20
> Result is exactly the same: Using any of these - Assign Pedal > Track =
'n' Volume / Track 'n' Feedback / Track 'n' Pan - fails to select the =
designated track.
>=20
> Let's say i am at Track 1, and have set up pedal Controllers #7 and #1 =
to govern Track 8 volume and feedback, respectively.
>=20
> Using the Track 8 Volume-assigned pedal will show in the display that =
it is attempting to control Vol, but the track is still Track 1, and the =
numeric readout is static no matter how much I flail on the pedal.
>=20
> Just as with the Missing Link, if I invoke the corresponding Select =
Track 'n' command first, then the controls work fine - for that track =
only of course. So I might as well be using the generic Track Volume and =
Track Feedback and Pan commands, with a Select Track to begin with, it =
would be the same thing. If I wanted the extra gesture :)
>=20
> So it feels to me like the track-specific Vol/Feedback/Pan commands in =
the LP-1 are just not working as expected. Unless there is some utterly =
stupid user error happening here?
>=20
> I am using 1.39...
>=20
> Any thoughts? Anyone else see this behavior?
>=20
> Phil :)
>=20
>=20
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:20 AM, andy butler wrote:
>=20
>> Strange,
>> it certainly works here with a regular midi controller.
>> I've got 24 different CC controllers handling Vol Pan and Fbk
>> for each track. ...and of course, to the LP-1 it makes no difference =
which route
>> the midi came from.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Glad you got it working, might be worth solving the mystery though.
>>=20
>> It doesn't make any sense that you were able to get the LP-1 to learn =
the CC values (which would have been
>> displayed on the front panel) and that following that it wouldn't =
respond.
>>=20
>> Logically it's either
>> 1) extra commands being sent by your controller
>> 2) LP-1 set up file is corrupt (I doubt it, but if you can save it =
via
>> pc you could always send it to me for examination)
>> 3) some fault in the connection that just happened to produce the =
observed result.
>> 4) you're using an old software version on the LP-1...I've not heard =
of that issue though.
>>=20
>> andy
>>=20
>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>> Hey Andy,
>>> Yes, that's the perplexing thing... I am in fact using =
track-specific calls for each fader, as you suggest... I expected the =
behavior you describe, too... but the LP1 will not respond, at least not =
to TouchOSC on my iPad over wifi via the Missing Link, unless I =
explicitly send a Select Track command first :/
>>> Phil :)
>>=20
>=20

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I do that sometimes with Expertsleeper's XFadelooper - feeding a few seconds
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Here on the list side of LD, we=B4ve been pretty good about being relativel=
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or fun!) The Facebook group however seems to be beginning to recieve a bunc=
h
of holiday snaps and OT things.

I really like the split between the list and the FB group, its clearing the
list of all the YouTube posts, but making a nice fun to watch page at FB
too.
Now it might be that I dont understand FB, and that FB-LD is just showing
stuff off peoples profiles, but surely that's gonna be a setting thing.

Lets keep FB spam free?

Loop On!

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FB too. 
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st showing stuff off peoples profiles, but surely that's gonna be a set=
ting thing.



Lets keep FB spam free?

Loop On!

-- 
Mark Francombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe


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hi Phil,

Here's the answer.

The individual track volumes change the Volume of their respective tracks
*without* selecting the track.



andy




Phil Clevenger wrote:
> Andy, and LD crew,
> 
> Debugging:
> 
> I have tried the same track-specific commands this evening, MIDI hard-wired directly into the LP-1 from an FC300 controller.
> 
> Result is exactly the same: Using any of these - Assign Pedal > Track 'n' Volume / Track 'n' Feedback / Track 'n' Pan - fails to select the designated track.
> 
> Let's say i am at Track 1, and have set up pedal Controllers #7 and #1 to govern Track 8 volume and feedback, respectively.
> 
> Using the Track 8 Volume-assigned pedal will show in the display that it is attempting to control Vol, but the track is still Track 1, and the numeric readout is static no matter how much I flail on the pedal.
> 
> Just as with the Missing Link, if I invoke the corresponding Select Track 'n' command first, then the controls work fine - for that track only of course. So I might as well be using the generic Track Volume and Track Feedback and Pan commands, with a Select Track to begin with, it would be the same thing. If I wanted the extra gesture :)
> 
> So it feels to me like the track-specific Vol/Feedback/Pan commands in the LP-1 are just not working as expected. Unless there is some utterly stupid user error happening here?
> 
> I am using 1.39...
> 
> Any thoughts? Anyone else see this behavior?
> 
> Phil :)
> 
> 
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:20 AM, andy butler wrote:
> 
>> Strange,
>> it certainly works here with a regular midi controller.
>> I've got 24 different CC controllers handling Vol Pan and Fbk
>> for each track. ...and of course, to the LP-1 it makes no difference which route
>> the midi came from.
>>
>>
>> Glad you got it working, might be worth solving the mystery though.
>>
>> It doesn't make any sense that you were able to get the LP-1 to learn the CC values (which would have been
>> displayed on the front panel) and that following that it wouldn't respond.
>>
>> Logically it's either
>> 1) extra commands being sent by your controller
>> 2) LP-1 set up file is corrupt (I doubt it, but if you can save it via
>>  pc you could always send it to me for examination)
>> 3) some fault in the connection that just happened to produce the observed result.
>> 4) you're using an old software version on the LP-1...I've not heard of that issue though.
>>
>> andy
>>
>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>> Hey Andy,
>>> Yes, that's the perplexing thing... I am in fact using track-specific calls for each fader, as you suggest... I expected the behavior you describe, too... but the LP1 will not respond, at least not to TouchOSC on my iPad over wifi via the Missing Link, unless I explicitly send a Select Track command first :/
>>> Phil :)
> 
> 

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the answer is probably no :-(

If you mean playing a single sample over the range of a keyboard then
you need a way to convert Note-On and Note-Off messages to
ProgCh which the LP-1 can understand.
If you can do that, and I realise it's unlikely you have hardware that
can then, it's possible.
For each program the LP-1 to select the pitch and retrigger.
Probably you also need to program StopNow for the ProgCh corresponding
to Note-Off. 
By combining LP-1 'mellotron mode' with halfspeed you'll get 2 octaves. 

Be aware though, the LP-1 speed change is very lo-fi, that might
not be the sound you want.
 

If you want to record up to 16 *different* samples and play them
back with a keyboard then the EDP SamplePlay will do that.




andy

marcus kirby wrote:
> Say I set up a loop on an EDP or LP1 (anything really), is there any way 
> to take that loop/sample and play it with a keyboard?
> 
> I was thinking of doing live sampling. I know it would be easier to 
> capture something in ableton, drop it to sampler, and play it with a 
> midi keyboard. I just wanted to know if this was possible with older units.

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Hey Mark,

Sorry about mistakenly posting my trip photos to the loopers delight FB pag=
e
tonight. I just messed up. I didn't notice I was posting to loopers delight
when I meant to post to my FB profile. It's late, oh well, sorry about that=
.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:30 AM, mark francombe wro=
te:

> Here on the list side of LD, we=B4ve been pretty good about being relativ=
ely
> ON TOPIC, and try not to stray too much from looping (unless its importan=
t
> or fun!) The Facebook group however seems to be beginning to recieve a bu=
nch
> of holiday snaps and OT things.
>
> I really like the split between the list and the FB group, its clearing t=
he
> list of all the YouTube posts, but making a nice fun to watch page at FB
> too.
> Now it might be that I dont understand FB, and that FB-LD is just showing
> stuff off peoples profiles, but surely that's gonna be a setting thing.
>
> Lets keep FB spam free?
>
> Loop On!
>
> --
> *Mark Francombe*
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
>



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Hey Mark,

Sorry about mistakenly posting my trip photos to the loope=
rs delight FB page tonight. I just messed up. I didn't notice I was pos=
ting to loopers delight when I meant to post to my FB profile. It's lat=
e, oh well, sorry about that.


On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:30 AM, mark franco=
mbe <mark@ma=
rkfrancombe.com> wrote:

Here on the list side of LD, we=B4ve been pretty good about being relativel=
y ON TOPIC, and try not to stray too much from looping (unless its importan=
t or fun!) The Facebook group however seems to be beginning to recieve a bu=
nch of holiday snaps and OT things.




I really like the split between the list and the FB group, its clearing=
 the list of all the YouTube posts, but making a nice fun to watch page at =
FB too. 
Now it might be that I dont understand FB, and that FB-LD is ju=
st showing stuff off peoples profiles, but surely that's gonna be a set=
ting thing.




Lets keep FB spam free?

Loop On!

-- 
Mark Francombe



www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com



http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no



twitter @markfrancombe





-- 
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/=
artsimon


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Brian Carabee wrote:

> Apparently the Rang makes the calculation within a couple of 
> milliseconds whether it's a Tap or a Hold.

Thanks for taking the time, I think your analysis 
is missing something however.

Try holding the switch down for half a second and see
what happens...bet you won't get the shortpress function 
until you take your foot off.

Here's why I think that.....

Assuming the time for a long press is one second.

You hit the switch, and hold it for 0.5 seconds.
During which time the Rang can't
possibly know whether it's getting a longpress or shortpress.
Maybe you release it at 0.6s , maybe you hold it past a second.


Fact is (and I can assure you every hardware developer is aware
of this ) no device can distinguish between shortpress and longpress
until the switch is *released*.



On the EDP the shortpress and longpress are very carefully
paired so that the shortpress function *can* be initiated
as soon as the switch is pressed.




andy

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LOL yes of course they should... and of course I tested that over and =
over...

In the end I find that they do just that... but only if the "Track =
Follows CC" parameter in the LP-1 is set to "Yes."

D'oh !!

Phil (triumphant)=20

On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:48 AM, andy butler wrote:

> hi Phil,
>=20
> Here's the answer.
>=20
> The individual track volumes change the Volume of their respective =
tracks
> *without* selecting the track.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> andy
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>> Andy, and LD crew,
>> Debugging:
>> I have tried the same track-specific commands this evening, MIDI =
hard-wired directly into the LP-1 from an FC300 controller.
>> Result is exactly the same: Using any of these - Assign Pedal > Track =
'n' Volume / Track 'n' Feedback / Track 'n' Pan - fails to select the =
designated track.
>> Let's say i am at Track 1, and have set up pedal Controllers #7 and =
#1 to govern Track 8 volume and feedback, respectively.
>> Using the Track 8 Volume-assigned pedal will show in the display that =
it is attempting to control Vol, but the track is still Track 1, and the =
numeric readout is static no matter how much I flail on the pedal.
>> Just as with the Missing Link, if I invoke the corresponding Select =
Track 'n' command first, then the controls work fine - for that track =
only of course. So I might as well be using the generic Track Volume and =
Track Feedback and Pan commands, with a Select Track to begin with, it =
would be the same thing. If I wanted the extra gesture :)
>> So it feels to me like the track-specific Vol/Feedback/Pan commands =
in the LP-1 are just not working as expected. Unless there is some =
utterly stupid user error happening here?
>> I am using 1.39...
>> Any thoughts? Anyone else see this behavior?
>> Phil :)
>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:20 AM, andy butler wrote:
>>> Strange,
>>> it certainly works here with a regular midi controller.
>>> I've got 24 different CC controllers handling Vol Pan and Fbk
>>> for each track. ...and of course, to the LP-1 it makes no difference =
which route
>>> the midi came from.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Glad you got it working, might be worth solving the mystery though.
>>>=20
>>> It doesn't make any sense that you were able to get the LP-1 to =
learn the CC values (which would have been
>>> displayed on the front panel) and that following that it wouldn't =
respond.
>>>=20
>>> Logically it's either
>>> 1) extra commands being sent by your controller
>>> 2) LP-1 set up file is corrupt (I doubt it, but if you can save it =
via
>>> pc you could always send it to me for examination)
>>> 3) some fault in the connection that just happened to produce the =
observed result.
>>> 4) you're using an old software version on the LP-1...I've not heard =
of that issue though.
>>>=20
>>> andy
>>>=20
>>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>> Hey Andy,
>>>> Yes, that's the perplexing thing... I am in fact using =
track-specific calls for each fader, as you suggest... I expected the =
behavior you describe, too... but the LP1 will not respond, at least not =
to TouchOSC on my iPad over wifi via the Missing Link, unless I =
explicitly send a Select Track command first :/
>>>> Phil :)
>=20

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Really no big deal, Looked like you had a nice time at least!!

[?]

M

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Art Simon  wrote:

> Hey Mark,
>
> Sorry about mistakenly posting my trip photos to the loopers delight FB
> page tonight. I just messed up. I didn't notice I was posting to loopers
> delight when I meant to post to my FB profile. It's late, oh well, sorry
> about that.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:30 AM, mark francombe w=
rote:
>
>> Here on the list side of LD, we=B4ve been pretty good about being relati=
vely
>> ON TOPIC, and try not to stray too much from looping (unless its importa=
nt
>> or fun!) The Facebook group however seems to be beginning to recieve a b=
unch
>> of holiday snaps and OT things.
>>
>> I really like the split between the list and the FB group, its clearing
>> the list of all the YouTube posts, but making a nice fun to watch page a=
t FB
>> too.
>> Now it might be that I dont understand FB, and that FB-LD is just showin=
g
>> stuff off peoples profiles, but surely that's gonna be a setting thing.
>>
>> Lets keep FB spam free?
>>
>> Loop On!
>>
>> --
>> *Mark Francombe*
>> www.markfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoabkhao.com
>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop.no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>



--=20
*Mark Francombe*
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Really no big deal, Looked like you had a nice time at least!!



M

On Thu,=
 Aug 4, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:



Hey Mark,

Sorry about mistakenly pos=
ting my trip photos to the loopers delight FB page tonight. I just messed u=
p. I didn't notice I was posting to loopers delight when I meant to pos=
t to my FB profile. It's late, oh well, sorry about that.






On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:30 AM, mark franco=
mbe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:



Here on the list side of LD, we=B4ve been pretty good about being relativel=
y ON TOPIC, and try not to stray too much from looping (unless its importan=
t or fun!) The Facebook group however seems to be beginning to recieve a bu=
nch of holiday snaps and OT things.






I really like the split between the list and the FB group, its clearing=
 the list of all the YouTube posts, but making a nice fun to watch page at =
FB too. 
Now it might be that I dont understand FB, and that FB-LD is ju=
st showing stuff off peoples profiles, but surely that's gonna be a set=
ting thing.






Lets keep FB spam free?

Loop On!

-- 
Mark Francombe





www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com





http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no





twitter @markfrancombe





-- 
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimon





-- 
M=
ark Francombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe


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No, of course I understand that it is logically impossible for it to know 
whether it's a tap or a hold until the button is released, and therefore it 
cannot invoke the function until release.

But if the time required is somewhere around .002 or .003 of a second, does 
it matter in practical terms? I was testing to see if, in practical terms, 
that tiny delay factored into a performance in a meaningful way.

If you are a "below .002 seconds" kind of guy, perhaps you should contact 
Mike Nelson. There is definitely no documented way to change the functioning 
according to your question, but that doesn't mean that the functionality 
isn't built-in for testing and development purposes. If so, then perhaps he 
could provide you with a modified Rang that accommodates your requirements.

Brian

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> Brian Carabee wrote:
>
>> Apparently the Rang makes the calculation within a couple of milliseconds 
>> whether it's a Tap or a Hold.
>
> Thanks for taking the time, I think your analysis is missing something 
> however.
>
> Try holding the switch down for half a second and see
> what happens...bet you won't get the shortpress function until you take 
> your foot off.
>
> Here's why I think that.....
>
> Assuming the time for a long press is one second.
>
> You hit the switch, and hold it for 0.5 seconds.
> During which time the Rang can't
> possibly know whether it's getting a longpress or shortpress.
> Maybe you release it at 0.6s , maybe you hold it past a second.
>
>
> Fact is (and I can assure you every hardware developer is aware
> of this ) no device can distinguish between shortpress and longpress
> until the switch is *released*.
>
>
>
> On the EDP the shortpress and longpress are very carefully
> paired so that the shortpress function *can* be initiated
> as soon as the switch is pressed.
>
>
>
>
> andy
> 

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New video for anyone looking to kill some time at work today. =3Bo)


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More on the edp sampleplay?

Might just be easier to get a korg microsampler.
On Aug 4, 2011 3:00 AM, "andy butler"  wrote:
> the answer is probably no :-(
>
> If you mean playing a single sample over the range of a keyboard then
> you need a way to convert Note-On and Note-Off messages to
> ProgCh which the LP-1 can understand.
> If you can do that, and I realise it's unlikely you have hardware that
> can then, it's possible.
> For each program the LP-1 to select the pitch and retrigger.
> Probably you also need to program StopNow for the ProgCh corresponding
> to Note-Off.
> By combining LP-1 'mellotron mode' with halfspeed you'll get 2 octaves.
>
> Be aware though, the LP-1 speed change is very lo-fi, that might
> not be the sound you want.
>
>
> If you want to record up to 16 *different* samples and play them
> back with a keyboard then the EDP SamplePlay will do that.
>
>
>
>
> andy
>
> marcus kirby wrote:
>> Say I set up a loop on an EDP or LP1 (anything really), is there any way
>> to take that loop/sample and play it with a keyboard?
>>
>> I was thinking of doing live sampling. I know it would be easier to
>> capture something in ableton, drop it to sampler, and play it with a
>> midi keyboard. I just wanted to know if this was possible with older
units.
>

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More on the edp sampleplay?


Might just be easier to get a korg microsampler.


On Aug 4, 2011 3:00 AM, "andy butler" =
<akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>=
; wrote:
> the answer is probably no :-(
>=
 

> If you mean playing a single sample over the range of a keyboard then<=
br>> you need a way to convert Note-On and Note-Off messages to
> =
ProgCh which the LP-1 can understand.
> If you can do that, and I rea=
lise it's unlikely you have hardware that

> can then, it's possible.
> For each program the LP-1 to sele=
ct the pitch and retrigger.
> Probably you also need to program StopN=
ow for the ProgCh corresponding
> to Note-Off. 
> By combining =
LP-1 'mellotron mode' with halfspeed you'll get 2 octaves. 

> 
> Be aware though, the LP-1 speed change is very lo-fi, that mi=
ght
> not be the sound you want.
>  
> 
> If you wa=
nt to record up to 16 *different* samples and play them
> back with a=
 keyboard then the EDP SamplePlay will do that.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> andy
> 
> marcus kirby=
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>> Say I set up a loop on an EDP or LP1 (anything really),=
 is there any way 
>> to take that loop/sample and play it with a =
keyboard?

>> 
>> I was thinking of doing live sampling. I know it woul=
d be easier to 
>> capture something in ableton, drop it to sample=
r, and play it with a 
>> midi keyboard. I just wanted to know if =
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> 


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dammit fro, you got me again...gave me the goosebumps...

dunno what it is about your stuff, man

keep em coming!

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>
> New video for anyone looking to kill some time at work today. ;o)
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEzo8ggJxdE&feature=channel_video_title
>
>
>
> The Wandering Madman

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Watched that last night, inspiring really.  My looping has never come
anywhere near that kind of precision, I'm in envy.

Well done and thanks,

Kevin

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 wrote:
> dammit fro, you got me again...gave me the goosebumps...
>
> dunno what it is about your stuff, man
>
> keep em coming!
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 3:26 PM, FRO DIDDLY  wrote=
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>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKEzo8ggJxdE&feature=3Dchannel_video_tit=
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>>
>>
>>
>> The Wandering Madman
>
>



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Hello everyone!

I hope this spam finds you all in excellent moods.

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Cool rock music performed in an excellent way! Enjoyed :-)

Greetings from Sweden

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Brian Carabee wrote:

> But if the time required is somewhere around .002 or .003 of a second, 
> does it matter in practical terms? 

Certainly I notice the difference when operating a footswitch
which only engages when the switch is released.
...but then I'd guess it takes me longer than 3mS.

thanks for investigating

andy









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marcus kirby wrote:
> More on the edp sampleplay?


Well, it's a big subject, here's a taster.

Essentially up  to 16 keys on your keyboard each become a small looper.

It does depend a lot on the EDP settings exactly how it works,
for each key, typically

1) Press and hold key to record sample.
2) Hold down key again to play sample.

...but there's several options depending on the SamplerStyle
and AutoRec params.

There's also some  clever double click functions, but I'd
have to look those up.

You could very quickly record an octave and a third of notes
from an instrument, and then play them.

It would of course be monophonic, and it might be a hassle
having to record each note individually.

I'm not sure this is what you want tho'.
If you want to record just one sample and play it at different pitches 
then this isn't for you.


> 
> Might just be easier to get a korg microsampler.

This may well be the case, :-)




andy



> 

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Love your new tune!

I wish we could get you to come out and play the Loop Festival in the 
the second weekend of October in Santa Cruz.
It would be fantastic to feature you out here!!!!

Nice work, Fro.........keep following your dream.

yours,   Rick Walker



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GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY:                   http://galactictravels.info
=======================================================================
Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long
Special Focus on Tomas Weiss and Mathias Grassow.  The Featured CD at
Midnight will be "Aestrata."  Details are at the Special Focus page at:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#aug

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
FM.  Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet.

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Whoa!  Low tech "analogue"!  It just gets better as the demo video  
continues. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvtssL8WlJA

Cheers,
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Whoa!  Low tech "analogue"!  It just gets better as the demo video continues. Enjoy!


Cheers,
Rev. Fever
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Hi Fro,

Great track and video.
Love it.

Andre

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> The Wandering Madman
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http://islandfunk.com
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Gear used:
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Hi all,

Kristin Miltner and I are going on tour next week, bringing our
unusual electronic music to Wisconsin (Milwaukee and La Crosse),
Indianapolis, Toledo and Chicago. This will be the first time playing
in the midwest for both of us - we are Oakland, California people. If
you're in one of these towns, please come by and hear us play! And do
say hello. We like to meet other weird music people.

Samples of us can be found at: www.ribosomemusic.com/shows.html


Tuesday, August 9th, 8:30 pm, free
La Crosse, WI:
Cavalier Lounge
114 5th Ave N
Kristin Miltner, Matt Davignon, Igloo Martian, Moscatello

Wednesday, August 10th, 8:00 pm, free
Milwaukee, WI:
Audible Electricity at Shampoo Horn
For Address, please RSVP at http://audible.luvsound.org/
Matt Davignon/Kristin Miltner duo,
Wilhelm Matthies (homemade string instruments)
Meg Karls (solo violin)

Friday, August 12th, 7:00 pm, $5
Indianapolis, IN:
Outsound Festival
at Service Center for Contemporary Culture and Community
3919 Lafayette Rd.
Matt Davignon, Kristin Miltner, Jordan Munson, Shedding, DMA

Saturday, August 13th, 9:00 pm, donation
Toledo, OH:
Robinwood Concert House
2564 Robinwood Ave
Matt Davignon, Kristin Miltner, Five Dollar Ferrari

Sunday, August 14th, 8pm $7
Chicago IL:
Elastic Arts Foundation
2830 N. Milwaukee, 2nd Fl.
Baker/Zerang, Kristin Miltner, Matt Davignon, The Green Pasture Happiness

Matt Davignon is an experimental/ambient drum-machinist  living in
Oakland, California. Originally born in Western Massachusetts, he
spent  musically formative years in Northern California, tinkering
with tools such as lo-fi samplers, cassette tapes, household objects,
4-track compositions, extensive chains of guitar effects, prepared
instruments, and field recordings. These explorations fuel and inform
his current work, which most frequently involves processing the sounds
of a drum machine in real-time with various electronic devices.
Characteristics of his music include a focus on textures, arrhythmic
patterns and musical imperfections, with a focus on evoking biological
systems. Matt has released 3 cds with this setup, the most recent of
which is "Living Things" on Edgetone Records, released in 2010. Matt
also co-produces the Luggage Store Gallery Experimental Music series
in San Francisco, and has produced odd concerts such as the San
Francisco Found Objects Festival and Droneshift. www.ribosomemusic.com

Kristin Miltner is a composer, video and installation artist, and
sound designer living in Oakland, California. She most often performs
music live with versions of her custom software. She has designed this
to scan sound files and live input, allowing her to instantly
restructure the sounds into sequenced arrays of units of varying
lengths. This scanning idea is like imagining a giant octopus in a
long thin hallway with continuous windows on each side. One can touch
both sides of the hallway with one's fingertips (if one is an
octopus). The length of the hallway is infinite. So the octopus runs
up and down the hallway opening and closing windows, letting a little
bit of water in here and there, but never stops moving back and forth,
and some windows stay open for longer than others. But there's a
rhythm to it; it's an efficient octopus. The ocean is the sound
source, the hallway and octopus are the scanners, the windows
determine what gets in, and the octopus's rhythm is the sequencing
mechanism.
Her debut solo recording, "Grains", can be found at www.praemedia.com,
and her latest release, "Music for Dreaming and Playing", can be found
here: http://asthmatickitty.com/music-for-dreaming-and-playing


-- 
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

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Yup.  Fro is on my shortlist of loopers I've seen where the technology
disappears in the music and vibrations.  I'm still aware of it and wonderin=
g
just how these cats are pulling it all off, but my ears, gut and heart are
just hearing pure music.

Homeboys include:

Kid Beyond
Tom Heasley
Bill Walker

And now that Wandering Madman...


Me like.


Best,
Rich




On 8/4/11 2:58 PM, "Andr=E9 Donawa"  wrote:

> Hi Fro,
>=20
> Great track and video.
> Love it.
>=20
> Andre
>=20
> On Thu, August 4, 2011 10:26 am, FRO DIDDLY wrote:
>>=20
>> Howdy everyone,
>>=20
>> New video for anyone looking to kill some time at work today. ;o)
>>=20
>>=20
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKEzo8ggJxdE&feature=3Dchannel_video_title
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> The Wandering Madman
>>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://islandfunk.com
> http://www.andredonawa.com
> http://www.youtube.com/user/AndreDonawa
>=20


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Anders Bergdahl wrote:

> sample live while it loops GOT TO BE some sort of live looping .. or 
> does the hardware HAVE to be called a looper??) 

Loopers Delight was always intended for all forms of looped
music. 

andy

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> Anders Bergdahl wrote:
>
>> sample live while it loops GOT TO BE some sort of live looping .. or does
>> the hardware HAVE to be called a looper??)
>
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:13 PM, andy butler  wrote:
> Loopers Delight was always intended for all forms of looped
> music.

Yes, the folks on the L-D mailing list seems to share and
exceptionally open mind! :-)

A related OT:
A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is when
loops are played manually. I mean, instead of recording a part into a
machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part,
with your instrument, over and over, like a looper. While the point in
using a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machine-like
exactness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite, to
achieve an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't this
rather to be described "repetitious music" or "minimal music" than
"live looping"?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/110804.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                 Show #748                August 4, 2011.

RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on Tomas Weiss and Mathias
Grassow.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Aestrata" on Musical
Philosophy Records.

TW and MG: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#aug


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Mark Jenkins         Where No Shadows     Analog Archives (AMP)
                        Fall
Binar                The Truth Sets You   The Truth Sets You Free (none)
                        Free (Part 1)
Binar                Circles in the Sky   The Truth Sets You Free (none)
Schonwalder & Rothe  Cup 7                Filter-Kaffee 101 (SynGate)
Schonwalder & Rothe  Cup 8                Filter-Kaffee 101 (SynGate)
Modulator ESP        from outer spaces *  from outer spaces (none)

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Weiss and Grassow    Aestrata I           Aestrata (Musical Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Aestrata II          Aestrata (Musical Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Aestrata III         Aestrata (Musical Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Aestrata IV          Aestrata (Musical Philosophy)
The Glimmer Room     1863                 A Diary of Occurrences
                                             (A-Frame)
Modulator ESP        from outer spaces *  from outer spaces (none)

1:00 am

  * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Tomas
Weiss and Mathias Grassow.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Quiet
Calling II" on Musical Philosophy Records.

Bill
========================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info
Listen to WDIY on-line.

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Yeah there were some people I saw doing that when I was living in LA =
that would strum electric guitar over and over with and after a bit your =
ear would focus in on the changes of the harmonic content above the =
repetitive notes or creating patterns in your mind forming out of the =
non-machine like rhythms. I would go with minimalist since there isn't =
overdubbing.
On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>=20
>=20
> A related OT:
> A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is when
> loops are played manually. I mean, instead of recording a part into a
> machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part,
> with your instrument, over and over, like a looper. While the point in
> using a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machine-like
> exactness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite, to
> achieve an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't this
> rather to be described "repetitious music" or "minimal music" than
> "live looping"?
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>=20

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Yeah =
there were some people I saw doing that when I was living in LA that =
would strum electric guitar over and over with and after a bit your ear =
would focus in on the changes of the harmonic content above the =
repetitive notes or creating patterns in your mind forming out of the =
non-machine like rhythms. I would go with minimalist since there isn't =
overdubbing.
On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Per Boysen =
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A related =
OT:
A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is =
when
loops are played manually. I mean, instead of recording a part =
into a
machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that =
musical part,
with your instrument, over and over, like a looper. =
While the point in
using a looping device is to give a repeating =
pattern a machine-like
exactness the point in manually playing the =
loop is the opposite, to
achieve an organic inexactness for a =
monotonic content. Isn't this
rather to be described "repetitious =
music" or "minimal music" than
"live looping"?

Greetings from =
Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
ww=
w.looproom.com internet music =
hub




toddbass.com
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I totally agree=2C of course=2C that sequenced loops=2C midi loops and simi=
lar is some sort of looping. However in this community there is an emphasiz=
e on "sound on sound" looping that is done by pressing start then stop to d=
efine a base loop and then overdub and manipulate... The octatrack does not=
 work like that=2C yet. However this type of more "DJ" style workflow is a =
very cool thing as well=2C perhaps together with "traditional" looping. The=
 thing that some times surprises me is the lack of interest for the sample =
looping that octa track can do. It's more like Abelton live than Mobius so =
to speak.. And i seldom see the software guys live sampling in Abelton (I a=
ssume that it is possible) there also seems to be very little use of sequen=
cers and i don't really understand why...Regarding "manual looping" i see i=
t as striving for some of the same goals (minimalist style music) as SOME l=
ooping=2C perhaps it's better to refer to "manual looping" as minimalist mu=
sic. What connects the LD community is use of soft or hardware for music cr=
eation in=2C more or less=2C real time. This music can=2C but does not HAVE=
 to be=2C minimalistic.
If you listen to much of the Techno style music that most Elektron users se=
ems to be into there is most definitively a live element. Even when the use=
 drum machines and sequenced synths they quite often perform live sets wher=
e patterns are made and edit live.. so it is=2C for me live looping=2C but =
without looping live sounds. Instead the produce sounds and edit them as a =
part of the performance.

I think Kim Flint was interested in this Sequencer style looping and hoped =
to see it used with the more "traditional" looping and I'm kind of surprise=
d that there is so little of it. Or do I miss something here... The sequenc=
er based pattern music definitively owes a lot to minimalist music. They ju=
st choose to generate all sound from synthesizers and samples =2Cinstead of=
 looping guitars=2C keyboards or other traditional instruments  to some evo=
lution of a tape loop=2C they work with sequencers. And again i find it str=
ange that we don't see more loopers using sequencers. To me it seems like a=
 very natural development. Working with insert on the EDP is a lot like usi=
ng the sequencer on the octatrack=2C it's rhythmic sound manipulation in re=
al time set within in some set "beat".. of sorts
Sorry for being long but i find this interesting..
AndersFrom: gtmatthews@gmail.com
Subject: Re: MUSIC - "D Torn Kaisers Aars E.T." tr=EDbute to some heroes
Date: Fri=2C 5 Aug 2011 08:28:24 -0400
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com



Yeah there were some people I saw doing that when I was living in LA that w=
ould strum electric guitar over and over with and after a bit your ear woul=
d focus in on the changes of the harmonic content above the repetitive note=
s or creating patterns in your mind forming out of the non-machine like rhy=
thms. I would go with minimalist since there isn't overdubbing.
On Aug 5=2C 2011=2C at 6:29 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote:

A related OT:
A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is when
loops are played manually. I mean=2C instead of recording a part into a
machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part=2C
with your instrument=2C over and over=2C like a looper. While the point in
using a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machine-like
exactness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite=2C to
achieve an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't this
rather to be described "repetitious music" or "minimal music" than
"live looping"?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



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ive than Mobius so to speak.. And i seldom see the software guys live sampl=
ing in Abelton (I assume that it is possible) there also seems to be very l=
ittle use of sequencers and i don't really understand why...
Regarding "manual =
looping" i see it as striving for some of the same goals (minimalist style =
music) as SOME looping=2C perhaps it's better to refer to "manual looping" =
as minimalist music. What connects the LD community is use of soft or hardw=
are for music creation in=2C more or less=2C real time. This music can=2C b=
ut does not HAVE to be=2C minimalistic.
If =3Byou =3Blisten to much o=
f the Techno style music that most Elektron users seems to be into there is=
 most =3Bdefinitively =3Ba live element. Even when the us=
e drum machines and sequenced synths they quite often perform live sets whe=
re patterns are made and edit live.. so it is=2C for me live looping=2C but=
 without looping live sounds. Instead the produce sounds and edit them as a=
 part of the performance.

I think Kim Flint was interested in =
this Sequencer style looping and hoped to see it used with the more "tradit=
ional" =3Blooping and I'm kind of =3Bsurprised =3Bthat there is=
 so little of it. Or do I miss something here... The =3Bsequencer =
=3Bbased pattern music =3Bdefinitively =3Bowes a lot to minimalist =
music. They just choose to generate all sound from =3Bsynthesizers =
=3Band samples =2Cinstead of looping guitars=2C keyboards or other =3Bt=
raditional =3Binstruments  =3Bto some evolution of a tape loop=2C t=
hey work with =3Bsequencers. And again i find it strange that we don't =
see more loopers using sequencers. To me it seems like a very natural devel=
opment. Working with insert on the EDP is a lot like using the sequencer on=
 the octatrack=2C it's rhythmic sound manipulation in real time set within =
in some set "beat".. of sorts

Sorry for being long but i find this=
 interesting..

=

Anders
From: gtmatthews@gmail.com
Subject: Re: MUSIC - "D Torn Kaisers Aars E.T." tr=EDbu=
te to some heroes
Dat=
e: Fri=2C 5 Aug 2011 08:28:24 -0400
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com



Yeah there were some people I saw doing that when =
I was living in LA that would strum electric guitar over and over with and =
after a bit your ear would focus in on the changes of the harmonic content =
above the repetitive notes or creating patterns in your mind forming out of=
 the non-machine like rhythms. I would go with minimalist since there isn't=
 overdubbing.
On Aug 5=2C=
 2011=2C at 6:29 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote:


A related OT:
=
A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is when
loops =
are played manually. I mean=2C instead of recording a part into a
machin=
e that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part=2C
with =
your instrument=2C over and over=2C like a looper. While the point in
us=
ing a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machine-like
exact=
ness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite=2C to
achiev=
e an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't this
rather to b=
e described "repetitious music" or "minimal music" than
"live looping"?<=
br>
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.loo=
proom.com internet music hub




--------------------
Todd Matthews
twit=
ter: gtodd876




 		 	   		  

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One of the more poignant pieces of music, for me, that fits this
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be worth a listen if you=B9re not familiar with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamweapon:_An_Evening_of_Contemporary_Sitar_=
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On 8/5/11 5:28 AM, "Todd Matthews"  wrote:

> Yeah there were some people I saw doing that when I was living in LA that
> would strum electric guitar over and over with and after a bit your ear w=
ould
> focus in on the changes of the harmonic content above the repetitive note=
s or
> creating patterns in your mind forming out of the non-machine like rhythm=
s. I
> would go with minimalist since there isn't overdubbing.
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> A related OT:
>> A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is when
>> loops are played manually. I mean, instead of recording a part into a
>> machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part,
>> with your instrument, over and over, like a looper. While the point in
>> using a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machine-like
>> exactness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite, to
>> achieve an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't this
>> rather to be described "repetitious music" or "minimal music" than
>> "live looping"?
>>=20
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>=20
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se 
>> www.perboysen.com
>> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>>=20
>=20
> --------------------
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> toddbass.com 
> twitter: gtodd876
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Re: MUSIC - "D Torn Kaisers Aars E.T." tríbute to s=
ome heroes


One o=
f the more poignant pieces of music, for me, that fits this description, was=
 the live performance ‘Dreamweapon’ by Spacemen 3.  It migh=
t be worth a listen if you’re not familiar with it.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamweapon:_An_Evening_of_Cont=
emporary_Sitar_Music











On 8/5/11 5:28 AM, "Todd Matthews" <gtmatthews@gmail.com> w=
rote:




Yeah there were some people I saw doing that when I was=
 living in LA that would strum electric guitar over and over with and after =
a bit your ear would focus in on the changes of the harmonic content above t=
he repetitive notes or creating patterns in your mind forming out of the non=
-machine like rhythms. I would go with minimalist since there isn't overdubb=
ing.

On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:






A related OT:

A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is when

loops are played manually. I mean, instead of recording a part into a

machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part,

with your instrument, over and over, like a looper. While the point in

using a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machine-like

exactness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite, to

achieve an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't this

rather to be described "repetitious music" or "minimal music=
" than

"live looping"?



Greetings from Sweden



Per Boysen

www.boysen.se <http://www.boysen.se> 

www.perboysen.com

www.looproom.com internet music hub






--------------------

Todd Matthews

toddbass.com <http://toddbass.com> =


twitter: gtodd876













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Dreamweapon!!!!!  I love that piece.  I think it is the most sublime
bit of guitar drone/trance I've ever heard.

I'll second and third the recommendation that anyone who hasn't heard
it yet should do themselves a favor and track it down.

Kevin

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rote:
> One of the more poignant pieces of music, for me, that fits this
> description, was the live performance =91Dreamweapon=92 by Spacemen 3. =
=A0It might
> be worth a listen if you=92re not familiar with it.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamweapon:_An_Evening_of_Contemporary_Sita=
r_Music
>
>

--=20
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form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
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I'm definitely in the "dj" looping style camp. I've been struggling to find
the balance between live creation of all sounds, and using prepared tracks
for some parts. I don't want to stand on stage and spend two minutes to
build up a track, nor do I want to get stuck without the ability to control
the volume of multiple loops. I want to bring loops in and out, doing live
what one does with a multi-track recorder.

I realize that it's somewhat silly to place limitations on myself though.
i'd love to click one button and have that put my looper into record mode,
turn on drum pattern one, turn on bass sequence one, etc. Automated
sequencing/looping sounds really awesome to me. Then again, I could just
have everything running/muted, and bring up the volume as I see fit.

The house dj'ing techniques with different sound sources/style might be
where I'm heading. The octotrack seems like it would be perfect for this.
On Aug 5, 2011 8:14 AM, "Anders Bergdahl" 
wrote:
>
> I totally agree, of course, that sequenced loops, midi loops and similar
is some sort of looping. However in this community there is an emphasize on
"sound on sound" looping that is done by pressing start then stop to define
a base loop and then overdub and manipulate... The octatrack does not work
like that, yet. However this type of more "DJ" style workflow is a very coo=
l
thing as well, perhaps together with "traditional" looping. The thing that
some times surprises me is the lack of interest for the sample looping that
octa track can do. It's more like Abelton live than Mobius so to speak.. An=
d
i seldom see the software guys live sampling in Abelton (I assume that it i=
s
possible) there also seems to be very little use of sequencers and i don't
really understand why...Regarding "manual looping" i see it as striving for
some of the same goals (minimalist style music) as SOME looping, perhaps
it's better to refer to "manual looping" as minimalist music. What connects
the LD community is use of soft or hardware for music creation in, more or
less, real time. This music can, but does not HAVE to be, minimalistic.
> If you listen to much of the Techno style music that most Elektron users
seems to be into there is most definitively a live element. Even when the
use drum machines and sequenced synths they quite often perform live sets
where patterns are made and edit live.. so it is, for me live looping, but
without looping live sounds. Instead the produce sounds and edit them as a
part of the performance.
>
> I think Kim Flint was interested in this Sequencer style looping and hope=
d
to see it used with the more "traditional" looping and I'm kind of surprise=
d
that there is so little of it. Or do I miss something here... The sequencer
based pattern music definitively owes a lot to minimalist music. They just
choose to generate all sound from synthesizers and samples ,instead of
looping guitars, keyboards or other traditional instruments to some
evolution of a tape loop, they work with sequencers. And again i find it
strange that we don't see more loopers using sequencers. To me it seems lik=
e
a very natural development. Working with insert on the EDP is a lot like
using the sequencer on the octatrack, it's rhythmic sound manipulation in
real time set within in some set "beat".. of sorts
> Sorry for being long but i find this interesting..
> AndersFrom: gtmatthews@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: MUSIC - "D Torn Kaisers Aars E.T." tr=EDbute to some heroes
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:28:24 -0400
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
>
> Yeah there were some people I saw doing that when I was living in LA that
would strum electric guitar over and over with and after a bit your ear
would focus in on the changes of the harmonic content above the repetitive
notes or creating patterns in your mind forming out of the non-machine like
rhythms. I would go with minimalist since there isn't overdubbing.
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
> A related OT:
> A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is when
> loops are played manually. I mean, instead of recording a part into a
> machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part,
> with your instrument, over and over, like a looper. While the point in
> using a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machine-like
> exactness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite, to
> achieve an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't this
> rather to be described "repetitious music" or "minimal music" than
> "live looping"?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>
>
> --------------------Todd Matthewstoddbass.comtwitter: gtodd876
>
>
>

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I'm definitely in the "dj" looping style camp. I've be=
en struggling to find the balance between live creation of all sounds, and =
using prepared tracks for some parts. I don't want to stand on stage an=
d spend two minutes to build up a track, nor do I want to get stuck without=
 the ability to control the volume of multiple loops. I want to bring loops=
 in and out, doing live what one does with a multi-track recorder.



I realize that it's somewhat silly to place limitations on myself th=
ough. i'd love to click one button and have that put my looper into rec=
ord mode, turn on drum pattern one, turn on bass sequence one, etc. Automat=
ed sequencing/looping sounds really awesome to me. Then again, I could just=
 have everything running/muted, and bring up the volume as I see fit.



The house dj'ing techniques with different sound sources/style might=
 be where I'm heading. The octotrack seems like it would be perfect for=
 this.


On Aug 5, 2011 8:14 AM, "Anders Bergdahl&qu=
ot; <anders_e_bergdahl@=
hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I totally =
agree, of course, that sequenced loops, midi loops and similar is some sort=
 of looping. However in this community there is an emphasize on "sound=
 on sound" looping that is done by pressing start then stop to define =
a base loop and then overdub and manipulate... The octatrack does not work =
like that, yet. However this type of more "DJ" style workflow is =
a very cool thing as well, perhaps together with "traditional" lo=
oping. The thing that some times surprises me is the lack of interest for t=
he sample looping that octa track can do. It's more like Abelton live t=
han Mobius so to speak.. And i seldom see the software guys live sampling i=
n Abelton (I assume that it is possible) there also seems to be very little=
 use of sequencers and i don't really understand why...Regarding "=
manual looping" i see it as striving for some of the same goals (minim=
alist style music) as SOME looping, perhaps it's better to refer to &qu=
ot;manual looping" as minimalist music. What connects the LD community=
 is use of soft or hardware for music creation in, more or less, real time.=
 This music can, but does not HAVE to be, minimalistic.

> If you listen to much of the Techno style music that most Elektron use=
rs seems to be into there is most definitively a live element. Even when th=
e use drum machines and sequenced synths they quite often perform live sets=
 where patterns are made and edit live.. so it is, for me live looping, but=
 without looping live sounds. Instead the produce sounds and edit them as a=
 part of the performance.

> 
> I think Kim Flint was interested in this Sequencer style loop=
ing and hoped to see it used with the more "traditional" looping =
and I'm kind of surprised that there is so little of it. Or do I miss s=
omething here... The sequencer based pattern music definitively owes a lot =
to minimalist music. They just choose to generate all sound from synthesize=
rs and samples ,instead of looping guitars, keyboards or other traditional =
instruments  to some evolution of a tape loop, they work with sequencers. A=
nd again i find it strange that we don't see more loopers using sequenc=
ers. To me it seems like a very natural development. Working with insert on=
 the EDP is a lot like using the sequencer on the octatrack, it's rhyth=
mic sound manipulation in real time set within in some set "beat"=
.. of sorts

> Sorry for being long but i find this interesting..
> AndersFrom:=
 gtmatthews@gmail.com
> S=
ubject: Re: MUSIC - "D Torn Kaisers Aars E.T." tr=EDbute to some =
heroes

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:28:24 -0400
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> 
> 
> 
> Yeah there were some people I saw doing t=
hat when I was living in LA that would strum electric guitar over and over =
with and after a bit your ear would focus in on the changes of the harmonic=
 content above the repetitive notes or creating patterns in your mind formi=
ng out of the non-machine like rhythms. I would go with minimalist since th=
ere isn't overdubbing.

> On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
> 
> A relat=
ed OT:
> A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot latel=
y is when
> loops are played manually. I mean, instead of recording a=
 part into a

> machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part,=

> with your instrument, over and over, like a looper. While the poin=
t in
> using a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machin=
e-like

> exactness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite, to> achieve an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't th=
is
> rather to be described "repetitious music" or "mi=
nimal music" than

> "live looping"?
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
&g=
t; 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.=
se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet musi=
c hub
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------Todd Matthewst=
oddbass.comtwitter: gtodd876
> 
> 
>  		 	   		  


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I tend to agree with Anders here, that it surprises me that so few
list members are utilizing sequencing techniques. This because
sequencing technique relies on the same craft in applied music theory
as a lot of the minimal art music and progressive rock by for example
King Crimson.

The Electron seems very cool to me, but I'm not sure I need all those
functions for live work. It seems to be a modern "MPC on steroids"!
Not sure I would be able to make use of all its features for live work
though. In fact, my own most successful periods in live music making
has happened when I have reduced my options to a handful gestures at
hand. The ability to perform is vulnerable to the balance between
being able to keep a flow over time in the instant composing process
and having powerful sound shaping tools.

I look at much of my live looping in Mobius as "sequencing
techniques". My "palette" is a number of optional "grids" I can apply
to a number of bars and each grid is like a sequence - but it lets
through live played source audio to be sampled into a loop (rather
than driving source audio as the synthesizer sequencing). So the
process is:

1) Chose and apply a "sequence grid" (Mobius script at hand).
2) Make some source audio on your instrument.
3) By adjust a fader for "Secondary Feedback" your control how much of
the earlier loop layers will be replaced by the new audio coming in
through the grid.

With this technique you can effectively build up machine tight
sequences in seconds from any live played audio instrument or noise.
BTW, here a simple example of this "grid sequencing live looping" in
the form of a Mobius flute improvisation:
http://soundcloud.com/pboy/going-fishing-20090524-1312

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Anders Bergdahl
 wrote:
> I totally agree, of course, that=C2=A0sequenced=C2=A0loops, midi loops an=
d similar is
> some sort of looping. However in this=C2=A0community=C2=A0there is an emp=
hasize on
> "sound on sound" looping that is done by pressing start then stop to defi=
ne
> a base loop and then overdub and manipulate... The octatrack does not wor=
k
> like that, yet. However this type of more "DJ" style workflow is a very c=
ool
> thing as well, perhaps=C2=A0together=C2=A0with "traditional" looping. The=
 thing that
> some times surprises me is the lack of interest for the sample looping th=
at
> octa track can do. It's more like Abelton live than Mobius so to speak.. =
And
> i seldom see the software guys live sampling in Abelton (I assume that it=
 is
> possible) there also seems to be very little use of sequencers and i don'=
t
> really understand why...
> Regarding "manual looping" i see it as striving for some of the same goal=
s
> (minimalist style music) as SOME looping, perhaps it's better to refer to
> "manual looping" as minimalist music. What connects the LD community is u=
se
> of soft or hardware for music creation in, more or less, real time. This
> music can, but does not HAVE to be, minimalistic.
> If=C2=A0you=C2=A0listen to much of the Techno style music that most Elekt=
ron users
> seems to be into there is most=C2=A0definitively=C2=A0a live element. Eve=
n when the
> use drum machines and sequenced synths they quite often perform live sets
> where patterns are made and edit live.. so it is, for me live looping, bu=
t
> without looping live sounds. Instead the produce sounds and edit them as =
a
> part of the performance.
>
> I think Kim Flint was interested in this Sequencer style looping and hope=
d
> to see it used with the more "traditional"=C2=A0looping and I'm kind
> of=C2=A0surprised=C2=A0that there is so little of it. Or do I miss someth=
ing here...
> The=C2=A0sequencer=C2=A0based pattern music=C2=A0definitively=C2=A0owes a=
 lot to minimalist
> music. They just choose to generate all sound from=C2=A0synthesizers=C2=
=A0and samples
> ,instead of looping guitars, keyboards or other=C2=A0traditional=C2=A0ins=
truments =C2=A0to
> some evolution of a tape loop, they work with=C2=A0sequencers. And again =
i find
> it strange that we don't see more loopers using sequencers. To me it seem=
s
> like a very natural development. Working with insert on the EDP is a lot
> like using the sequencer on the octatrack, it's rhythmic sound manipulati=
on
> in real time set within in some set "beat".. of sorts
> Sorry for being long but i find this interesting..
> Anders
> ________________________________
> From: gtmatthews@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: MUSIC - "D Torn Kaisers Aars E.T." tr=C3=ADbute to some hero=
es
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:28:24 -0400
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> Yeah there were some people I saw doing that when I was living in LA that
> would strum electric guitar over and over with and after a bit your ear
> would focus in on the changes of the harmonic content above the repetitiv=
e
> notes or creating patterns in your mind forming out of the non-machine li=
ke
> rhythms. I would go with minimalist since there isn't overdubbing.
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
> A related OT:
> A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is when
> loops are played manually. I mean, instead of recording a part into a
> machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part,
> with your instrument, over and over, like a looper. While the point in
> using a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machine-like
> exactness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite, to
> achieve an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't this
> rather to be described "repetitious music" or "minimal music" than
> "live looping"?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>
> --------------------
> Todd Matthews
> toddbass.com
> twitter: gtodd876
>

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Must be nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread the music". 
I will also accept donations so I can sit in my living room and press buttons on my looper.

On Thu Aug 4th, 2011 8:22 AM PDT FRO DIDDLY wrote:

>
>
>Hello everyone!
>
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>
>Here is a link to my newest video for your viewing pleasure.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEzo8ggJxdE
>
>And a link to my KickStarter project is anyone is feeling curious / generous about the documentary film I plan on making.... ;o)
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>cheers my friends
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I will gladly donate money to an artist whose work really inspires me =
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project.

I have not seen any work from you yet Elmer that compels me want to =
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to think is great in the future I will gladly enable you to mooch off of =
me.

What I don't understand is =85. What compels you to take the time to =
post something with such negativity?=20

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> Must be nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread the music".=20=

> I will also accept donations so I can sit in my living room and press =
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>> Must be nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread the =
music".=20

Yikes!   Sounds like you don't believe in the inherent value of art.  =
looper's delight is a misguided place for such a sentiment, IMO.

Any artist who can make their art happen has my respect.   Do you not =
have a music of your own burning a hole in you-- needing to get out?  =
So, why the disparaging comments about another's vehicle for expression? =
    =20

One of the things I love the most about LD is that it is, by and large, =
a supportive place for artists to share their work in context where all =
perspectives are at least tolerated if not valued. =20

I find your post inconsistent with the LD culture that I have come to =
expect and that I value so much. =20

Elmer, Please do share your own work right away so  that we might change =
tone here and show you the kind of support that every artist deserves =
from other artists.   =20
Daniel Shane Thomas


On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Todd Matthews wrote:

> I will gladly donate money to an artist whose work really inspires me =
because I want them to be able to continue to do so either by buying =
their album, seeing them perform live, or donating to their kickstarter =
project.
>=20
> I have not seen any work from you yet Elmer that compels me want to =
donate to the Fuddski Fund. If you ever create something that I happen =
to think is great in the future I will gladly enable you to mooch off of =
me.
>=20
> What I don't understand is =85. What compels you to take the time to =
post something with such negativity?=20
>=20
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>=20
>> Must be nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread the =
music".=20
>> I will also accept donations so I can sit in my living room and press =
buttons on my looper.
>=20
> --------------------
> Todd Matthews
> toddbass.com
> twitter: gtodd876
>=20


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Must be =
nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread the =
music". 
Yikes! =
  Sounds like you don't believe in the inherent value of art. =
 looper's delight is a misguided place for such a sentiment, =
IMO.

Any artist who can make their art happen =
has my respect.   Do you not have a music of =
your own burning a hole in you-- needing to get out?  So, why the =
disparaging comments about another's vehicle for expression?   =
   

One of the things I love the most =
about LD is that it is, by and large, a supportive place for artists to =
share their work in context where all perspectives are at least =
tolerated if not valued.  

I find your =
post inconsistent with the LD culture that I have come to expect and =
that I value so much.  

Elmer, =
Please do share your own work right away so  that we might =
change tone here and show you the kind of support that every artist =
deserves from other artists.    
Daniel Shane =
Thomas


On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:26 =
AM, Todd Matthews wrote:

I =
will gladly donate money to an artist whose work really inspires me =
because I want them to be able to continue to do so either by buying =
their album, seeing them perform live, or donating to their kickstarter =
project.

I have not seen any work from you yet Elmer that compels =
me want to donate to the Fuddski Fund. If you ever create something that =
I happen to think is great in the future I will gladly enable you to =
mooch off of me.

What I don't understand is =85. What compels you =
to take the time to post something with such negativity? 

On Aug =
5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:

Must be nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread =
the music". 
I will also =
accept donations so I can sit in my living room and press buttons on my =
looper.

--------------------
Todd Matthews
toddbass.com
twitter: =
gtodd876


=

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I echo Todd... this is a positive community that is meant to encourage and
not bring down.  The project and committment of time that Fro has/is taking
is commendable as well as admireable.

Jim

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Todd Matthews  wrote:

> I will gladly donate money to an artist whose work really inspires me
> because I want them to be able to continue to do so either by buying thei=
r
> album, seeing them perform live, or donating to their kickstarter project=
.
>
> I have not seen any work from you yet Elmer that compels me want to donat=
e
> to the Fuddski Fund. If you ever create something that I happen to think =
is
> great in the future I will gladly enable you to mooch off of me.
>
> What I don't understand is =85. What compels you to take the time to post
> something with such negativity?
>
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>
> > Must be nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread the music".
> > I will also accept donations so I can sit in my living room and press
> buttons on my looper.
>
> --------------------
> Todd Matthews
> toddbass.com
> twitter: gtodd876
>
>


--=20
*From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin =
&
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com

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I echo Todd... this is a positive community that is meant to encourage=
 and not bring down.=A0 The project and committment of time that Fro has/is=
 taking is commendable as well as admireable.


=A0


Jim



On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmai=
l.com> wrote:


I will gladly donate money to an=
 artist whose work really inspires me because I want them to be able to con=
tinue to do so either by buying their album, seeing them perform live, or d=
onating to their kickstarter project.


I have not seen any work from you yet Elmer that compels me want to don=
ate to the Fuddski Fund. If you ever create something that I happen to thin=
k is great in the future I will gladly enable you to mooch off of me.


What I don't understand is =85. What compels you to take the time t=
o post something with such negativity?



On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
<=
br>> Must be nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread the=
 music".
> I will also accept donations so I can sit in my livin=
g room and press buttons on my looper.


--------------------
Todd Matthews
=
toddbass.com
twit=
ter: gtodd876




--=
 

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Go=
odin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will bene=
fit JDRF International.=A0 jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.


wo=
odandwiremusic.wordpress.com


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Ahh we seem to wok along similar lines... I don't really see the octatrack =
as an "MPC on Steriods" I haven't seen any sensible way to live sample and =
replay on a MPC. I think an MPC could be a complement to the octatrack. The=
 machine can do a whole lot of cool sequencer tricks=2C all from applying d=
ifferent effects settings on different steps to pitch shifting and rate cha=
nge per step. Evan Slicing a sample an trigg different samples on each step=
.. so on track could for example first use recorder 1 then slice that=2C pl=
ay different slices with all sorts of different settings on each step and e=
ven have some steps play from an other recorder that records in real time..=
. I see the octatrack almost as synth where my guitar is the oscillator. My=
 work flow usually is=20
- Decide if I want i through track which i use if i don mike an amp=2C if I=
 mike an amp i spit the signal so that i can record the direct signal separ=
ately on my Zoom
- Decide if I want some canned loops=2C if yes I load them to a track and t=
weak them-Check the recorders and set them to some different length=2C usua=
lly 1 or long (64 steps) some 16 steps and often one or two really short=2C=
 perhaps 4 steps- set playback length for each track=2C usually same as rec=
ording length=2C but i have used 5=2C17 or 19 on some track while some othe=
r are on the usual 16=2C 32 or 64 steps (this creates poly rhythm)- sett th=
e initial effects per track-some times set scee effects for the crossfaderI=
n all it take perhaps 5 minutes. I have now saved a few projects which i ca=
n start tweaking from.. if i were to play live iI would use all preset proj=
ect=2C changing projects takes a few seconds..Not that different from your =
mobius flow..
Of to the cottage now I will be back on Sunday...
Greetings from Tr=E5ngsund..

> Date: Fri=2C 5 Aug 2011 17:59:42 +0200
> Subject: Re: What is looping .... was _MUSIC - "D Torn Kaisers Aars E.T."=
 tr=EDbute to some heroes
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> I tend to agree with Anders here=2C that it surprises me that so few
> list members are utilizing sequencing techniques. This because
> sequencing technique relies on the same craft in applied music theory
> as a lot of the minimal art music and progressive rock by for example
> King Crimson.
>=20
> The Electron seems very cool to me=2C but I'm not sure I need all those
> functions for live work. It seems to be a modern "MPC on steroids"!
> Not sure I would be able to make use of all its features for live work
> though. In fact=2C my own most successful periods in live music making
> has happened when I have reduced my options to a handful gestures at
> hand. The ability to perform is vulnerable to the balance between
> being able to keep a flow over time in the instant composing process
> and having powerful sound shaping tools.
>=20
> I look at much of my live looping in Mobius as "sequencing
> techniques". My "palette" is a number of optional "grids" I can apply
> to a number of bars and each grid is like a sequence - but it lets
> through live played source audio to be sampled into a loop (rather
> than driving source audio as the synthesizer sequencing). So the
> process is:
>=20
> 1) Chose and apply a "sequence grid" (Mobius script at hand).
> 2) Make some source audio on your instrument.
> 3) By adjust a fader for "Secondary Feedback" your control how much of
> the earlier loop layers will be replaced by the new audio coming in
> through the grid.
>=20
> With this technique you can effectively build up machine tight
> sequences in seconds from any live played audio instrument or noise.
> BTW=2C here a simple example of this "grid sequencing live looping" in
> the form of a Mobius flute improvisation:
> http://soundcloud.com/pboy/going-fishing-20090524-1312
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>=20

 		 	   		  =

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 =3Beffects =3Bsettings on different steps to pitch shifting and ra=
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=2C play =3Bdifferent =3Bslices with all sorts of different setting=
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- Deci=
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- Decide if I want some canned loops=2C if y=
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-Check the recorders and set the=
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- set playback =3B=
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ct=2C changing projects takes a few seconds..
Not that different from yo=
ur mobius flow..

Of to the cottage now I will be back on Sunday...=


Greetings from Tr=E5ngsund..


>=3B Date: Fri=2C 5 Aug 2011 17:59:42=
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>=3B Subject: Re: W=
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me heroes
>=3B From=
: perboysen@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B 
>=3B I tend to agree with Anders here=2C that it surprises =
me that so few
>=3B=
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<=
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>=3B 
>=3B=
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>=3B to a number of bars=
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<=
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=
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>=3B=
 Greetings from Sweden
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>=3B Per =
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>=3B www.boy=
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>=3B www.per=
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>=3B www=
.looproom.com internet music hub
>=3B 

 		 	   		  

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( something that I happen to think is great )
=C2=A0
What you might think is great may possibly be crappola. Of course, apprecia=
tion of music is subjective. I personally didn't care for that video/song m=
uch. It just struck me as another individual engaged in self-aggrandizement=
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--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Todd Matthews  wrote:


From: Todd Matthews 
Subject: Re: The Wandering Madman new video
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:26 AM


I will gladly donate money to an artist whose work really inspires me becau=
se I want them to be able to continue to do so either by buying their album=
, seeing them perform live, or donating to their kickstarter project.

I have not seen any work from you yet Elmer that compels me want to donate =
to the Fuddski Fund. If you ever create something that I happen to think is=
 great in the future I will gladly enable you to mooch off of me.

What I don't understand is =E2=80=A6. What compels you to take the time to =
post something with such negativity?=20

On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:

> Must be nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread the music".=20
> I will also accept donations so I can sit in my living room and press but=
tons on my looper.

--------------------
Todd Matthews
toddbass.com
twitter: gtodd876


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( something that I happen to think is gr=
eat )


 


What you might think is great may possibly be crappola. Of course, app=
reciation of music is subjective. I personally didn't care for that video/s=
ong much. It just struck me as another individual engaged in self-aggrandiz=
ement. 


 


A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn=
't interested in jamming ones art up ones arse. 

--- On Fri,=
 8/5/11, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:



From: Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com><=
BR>Subject: Re: The Wandering Madman new video
To: Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:26 AM



I will gladly donate money to an artist whose work r=
eally inspires me because I want them to be able to continue to do so eithe=
r by buying their album, seeing them perform live, or donating to their kickstarter project.

I have not seen any work from you yet=
 Elmer that compels me want to donate to the Fuddski Fund. If you ever crea=
te something that I happen to think is great in the future I will gladly en=
able you to mooch off of me.

What I don't understand is =E2=80=A6. W=
hat compels you to take the time to post something with such negativity? 
On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:

> Must be =
nice to mooch off people and play music to "spread the music". 
> I w=
ill also accept donations so I can sit in my living room and press buttons =
on my looper.

--------------------
Todd Matthews
toddbass.com<=
BR>twitter: gtodd876


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>
>
> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't
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>

Nonsense (both theoretically and grammatically).  Still don't understand the
negative tone of your posts.  You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why the
disparagement?

Kevin
-- 
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
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A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor=
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Nonsense (both theoretically and gr=
ammatically).=A0 Still don't understand the negative tone of your posts=
.=A0 You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why the disparagement?


Kevin
-- 
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dy and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root ca=
use of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

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Video http://www.vimeo.c=
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Criticism can be a boon to ones musicianship. Haven't you ever taken music =
lessons? People who learn to play Shubert, for example, may take a lot of a=
buse from a music teacher.=20
=A0
Perhaps you like a world whereby everybody pretends they're happy and every=
thing's good - like people in North Korea.

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Kevin Cheli-Colando  wrote:


From: Kevin Cheli-Colando 
Subject: Re: The Wandering Madman new video
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:46 AM










=A0
A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't in=
terested in jamming ones art up ones arse.=20

Nonsense (both theoretically and grammatically).=A0 Still don't understand =
the negative tone of your posts.=A0 You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why=
 the disparagement?

Kevin
--=20
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos=20

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Criticism can be a boon to ones musician=
ship. Haven't you ever taken music lessons? People who learn to play Shuber=
t, for example, may take a lot of abuse from a music teacher. 


 


Perhaps you like a world whereby everybody pretends they're happy and =
everything's good - like people in North Korea.

--- On Fri, 8/5/1=
1, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:



From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.co=
m>
Subject: Re: The Wandering Madman new video
To: Loopers-Delight=
@loopers-delight.com
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:46 AM
















 


A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn=
't interested in jamming ones art up ones arse. 

Nonsense (both theoretically and grammatica=
lly).  Still don't understand the negative tone of your posts.  Y=
ou don't dig the sounds, cool, but why the disparagement?

Kevin
-=
- 
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have=
 a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all tro=
uble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  <=
A href=3D"http://www.minds-eye.org/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>http://=
www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/video=
s 

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I would challenge you to provide a universal definition of a TRUE ARTIST.  T=
hat term could vary wildly based on culture, economic status, era, perspecti=
ve, or many other factors.

And the others have a point...
What do you gain by coming out with both fists swinging? If being an a-hole i=
s artistic, then you have our attention.  Now what else you got?

By the way, I would highly recommend ANY artist, of any ilk, to see 'Exit Th=
rough The Gift Shop'.  It provokes a lot of thought on who is an artist, and=
 what constitutes art.


Sent from my iPhone

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>=20
> =20
> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't i=
nterested in jamming ones art up ones arse.=20
>=20
> Nonsense (both theoretically and grammatically).  Still don't understand t=
he negative tone of your posts.  You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why the=
 disparagement?
>=20
> Kevin
> --=20
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.=

>=20
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>=20
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
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I would challenge you to provide a univ=
ersal definition of a TRUE ARTIST.  That term could vary wildly based o=
n culture, economic status, era, perspective, or many other factors.

And the others have a point...
What do you gain b=
y coming out with both fists swinging? If being an a-hole is artistic, then y=
ou have our attention.  Now what else you got?

By the way, I would highly recommend ANY artist, of any ilk, to see 'Exit T=
hrough The Gift Shop'.  It provokes a lot of thought on who is an artis=
t, and what constitutes art.


Sent from my iPhone

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=

<=
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Kevin
-- 
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y and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root caus=
e of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Visi=
on:  http://www.minds-eye.org

Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
=

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I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the =
bed this morning :)

On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:

> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor =
isn't interested in jamming ones art up ones arse.=20

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First.
What constructive criticism did you provide in your original post?

Second.
We did not volunteer, nor are we paying you for music lessons. The paradigm o=
f this list is not one of Teacher/Student.  We should accept your input as a=
cceptable because you've experienced an abusive teacher?

If my dad was abusive to me, is it ok then if I punch you the first time we m=
eet?=20

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski  wrote:=


> Criticism can be a boon to ones musicianship. Haven't you ever taken music=
 lessons? People who learn to play Shubert, for example, may take a lot of a=
buse from a music teacher.
> =20
> Perhaps you like a world whereby everybody pretends they're happy and ever=
ything's good - like people in North Korea.
>=20
> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Kevin Cheli-Colando  wrote:
>=20
> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando 
> Subject: Re: The Wandering Madman new video
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:46 AM
>=20
>=20
> =20
> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't i=
nterested in jamming ones art up ones arse.=20
>=20
> Nonsense (both theoretically and grammatically).  Still don't understand t=
he negative tone of your posts.  You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why the=
 disparagement?
>=20
> Kevin
> --=20
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.=

>=20
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>=20
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos=20

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First.
What constructive crit=
icism did you provide in your original post?

Second=
.
We did not volunteer, nor are we paying you for music lessons. T=
he paradigm of this list is not one of Teacher/Student.  We should acce=
pt your input as acceptable because you've experienced an abusive teacher?

If my dad was abusive to me, is it ok then if I punc=
h you the first time we meet? 

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com> wrote:



 


A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn'=
t interested in jamming ones art up ones arse. 

 

C=
riticism can be a boon to ones musicianship. Haven't you ever taken music le=
ssons? People who learn to play Shubert, for example, may take a lot of abus=
e from a music teacher. 


 


Perhaps you like a world whereby everybody pretends they're happy and e=
verything's good - like people in North Korea.

--- On Fri, 8/5/11,=
 Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhe=
ad@gmail.com> wrote:



From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Wanderin=
g Madman new video
To: Loopers-Delight@=
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<=
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Nonsense (both theoretically and grammatically=
).  Still don't understand the negative tone of your posts.  You d=
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Kevin
-- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
=
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video =
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Btw guys, google Elmer Fuddski.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

> I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the
> bed this morning :)
>
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>
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.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:

I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the be=
d this morning :)




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> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor=
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>  If being an a-hole is artistic, then you have our attention.  Now what else you got?

here here!  Lets hear it Elmer.  Got Art? 


Daniel 

On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Richard Atkinson wrote:

> I would challenge you to provide a universal definition of a TRUE ARTIST.  That term could vary wildly based on culture, economic status, era, perspective, or many other factors.
> 
> And the others have a point...
> What do you gain by coming out with both fists swinging? If being an a-hole is artistic, then you have our attention.  Now what else you got?
> 
> By the way, I would highly recommend ANY artist, of any ilk, to see 'Exit Through The Gift Shop'.  It provokes a lot of thought on who is an artist, and what constitutes art.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>  
>> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't interested in jamming ones art up ones arse. 
>> 
>> Nonsense (both theoretically and grammatically).  Still don't understand the negative tone of your posts.  You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why the disparagement?
>> 
>> Kevin
>> -- 
>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>> 
>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>> 
>> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos 


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 If =
being an a-hole is artistic, then you have our attention.  Now what =
else you got?

here here! =
 Lets hear it Elmer.  Got =
Art? 


Daniel 
=

On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Richard Atkinson =
wrote:

I would challenge you to =
provide a universal definition of a TRUE ARTIST.  That term could =
vary wildly based on culture, economic status, era, perspective, or many =
other factors.

And the others have a =
point...
What do you gain by coming out with both fists =
swinging? If being an a-hole is artistic, then you have our attention. =
 Now what else you got?

By the way, I =
would highly recommend ANY artist, of any ilk, to see 'Exit Through The =
Gift Shop'.  It provokes a lot of thought on who is an artist, and =
what constitutes art.


Sent from my =
iPhone

On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando =
<billowhead@gmail.com> =
wrote:



 


A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor =
isn't interested in jamming ones art up ones arse. =


Nonsense =
(both theoretically and grammatically).  Still don't understand the =
negative tone of your posts.  You don't dig the sounds, cool, but =
why the disparagement?


Kevin
-- 
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the =
body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the =
root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi =
(1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org

Video http://www.vimeo.com/user8=
77640/videos 



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is there something we should look for in particular?

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, eib halimski  wrote:

> Btw guys, google Elmer Fuddski.
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>
>> I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the
>> bed this morning :)
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>>
>> > A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't
>> interested in jamming ones art up ones arse.
>>
>>
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is there something we should look for in particular? 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, eib halimski <halimzainal@gmail.com>=
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Btw guys, google Elmer Fuddski. 




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I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the be=
d this morning :)




On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:



> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor=
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His name is based on a fictional cartoon character. Why bother? Fro is
awesome btw.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:46 AM, daniel  wrote:

> is there something we should look for in particular?
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, eib halimski wrote:
>
>> Btw guys, google Elmer Fuddski.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>
>>> I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the
>>> bed this morning :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>>>
>>> > A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor
>>> isn't interested in jamming ones art up ones arse.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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is there something we should look for in particular? 

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Btw guys, google =
Elmer Fuddski. 





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I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the be=
d this morning :)





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> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor=
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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
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> I think Kim Flint was interested in this Sequencer style looping and 
> hoped to see it used with the more "traditional" looping and I'm kind 
> of surprised that there is so little of it.
Along these lines, one of the things that I'm working on for the Walker 
Manual Glitch pedal is the ability to loop the
data of the machine as opposed to the audio of the machine in exactly 
this way.

What excites me is that a series of manual manipulations (triggering 
rhythms or 'glitching' silence or other sounds into an existent
ambient loop whilst manipulating filter frequencies, center frequencies 
and volume) and then sending a randomly recorded
ambient loop through that data  means that each time a 'rhythm' is 
played, the timbre will be slightly different because the
processing 'loop' of the glitch pedal and the ambient loop that feeds 
into it will not be in the same position.

A dream for me is to have an LP-2 on the front side of the Walker Manual 
Glitch Pedal and an LP-2 on the output but syncrhonized
to the data stream of the WMGP.

The idea is to create ostinato loops that, nonetheless constantly shift 
slightly in timbre............not unlike
a guitarist who picks in a very funky manner but NOT perfectly.

We're getting there with this pedal (thanks to the vision of Bill Putnam 
of UA)  I think it actually will come out at some point and with some 
very, very exciting new technological innovations associated with it 
that I can't talk about as yet.

I'm only sad that Kim won't be around to appreciate it's release as I 
think he'd get a kick out of it.

Rick Walker

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I think
          Kim Flint was interested in this Sequencer style looping and
          hoped to see it used with the more "traditional" looping and
          I'm kind of surprised that there is so little of it. 

    

    Along these lines, one of the things that I'm working on for the
    Walker Manual Glitch pedal is the ability to loop the 

    data of the machine as opposed to the audio of the machine in
    exactly this way.

    

    What excites me is that a series of manual manipulations (triggering
    rhythms or 'glitching' silence or other sounds into an existent 

    ambient loop whilst manipulating filter frequencies, center
    frequencies and volume) and then sending a randomly recorded 

    ambient loop through that data  means that each time a 'rhythm' is
    played, the timbre will be slightly different because the 

    processing 'loop' of the glitch pedal and the ambient loop that
    feeds into it will not be in the same position.

    

    A dream for me is to have an LP-2 on the front side of the Walker
    Manual Glitch Pedal and an LP-2 on the output but syncrhonized 

    to the data stream of the WMGP.

    

    The idea is to create ostinato loops that, nonetheless constantly
    shift slightly in timbre............not unlike 

    a guitarist who picks in a very funky manner but NOT perfectly.

    

    We're getting there with this pedal (thanks to the vision of Bill
    Putnam of UA)  I think it actually will come out at some point and
    with some very, very exciting new technological innovations
    associated with it that I can't talk about as yet.

    

    I'm only sad that Kim won't be around to appreciate it's release as
    I think he'd get a kick out of it.

    

    Rick Walker

  


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> On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>
>> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't
>> interested in jamming ones art up ones arse.


That might go for some folks but there are also many artists for whom
the act of communicating is part of the art. I personally tend to like
it when creative people makes an effort to present their work well.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Some of you have probably seen this posted at the "loopers delight' 
group at Facebook
but for those of you who haven't

www.youtube.com/looppool


I posted this piece which showcases a couple of new functions that I 
added to the LP-2 Mini Looper
(quarter/quadruple speed and random retrigger).   I also use liberal 
amounts of half/double speed, reverse
and quantized replace with different retriggering schemes that are built 
into the LP-2.

For tech heads, I used a cheap fretless Stratocaster tuned to a scale 
(not an open tuning) with a
Harmonic Capo at the 12 fret running through an Experience Octave Fuzz 
(without the octaver turned on), an
LP-2 and then, finally,  an Electro Harmonix Freeze pedal into a 5 watt 
Vox amp, miced into my computer
with an Audio Technica ATM 4033 into a Blue Icycle USB pre amp/USB adaptor.

Each side of the stereo was a separate single take in real 
time........they both laid really nicely against
each other though are not at all synced.

I also used a new fun iPhone video effects app (I forget which it's 
called) and shot the video which
consists of one single take of me shooting the blinds in my bathroom at 
dawn.

Neither improv nor the video improv was designed for each other.  I just 
put them together and they sounded
interesting and I resisted to urge to edit anything.

The piece is called   "Beautiful Christine on the Occasion of her 
Birthday"  and is dedicated to my lovely wife.

Rick Walker

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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Jim Goodin wrote:
> I echo Todd... this is a positive community that is meant to encourage 
> and not bring down.  The project and committment of time that Fro 
> has/is taking is commendable as well as admireable.
Ditto to that sentiment.     It's easy to sit back, be cynical and take 
pot shots at people who are really putting their art out to the world.
I admire Fro's complete commitment to his lifestyle of artistry.     To 
eschew a home,  put everything into a van and travel the world
playing music is a very radical commitment that takes some serious 
cajones, existentially speaking.        Fro is also an amazingly good 
musician.....absolutely one of the best on this list that has a very 
large number of wonderful musicians.

It's time for us to hear your music, Elmer.     Have some REAL courage 
and risk people's criticism by posting it.
I think you'll be very surprised at how supportive this community can be.

Rick Walker

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There is always someone who thinks it's clever to come along and piss in 
the pool.

Sound like we've got an unhappy camper.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:27 PM, eib halimski wrote:

  Btw guys, google Elmer Fuddski.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Phil Clevenger < 
phil.clevenger@gmail.com 
 
> wrote:
I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the 
bed this morning :)
 


On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:

> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor 
> isn't interested in jamming ones art up ones arse.

 


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There is always someone who thinks it's clev=
er to come along and piss in the pool.

Sound like we've got an unhappy camper.=


On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:27 PM, eib halimski wrote:

 Bt=
w guys, google Elmer Fuddski. 


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14 AM, Phil Clevenger < p=
hil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: 
I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bas=
tard-y side of the bed this morning :) 

On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: 

> A true=
 artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't interest=
ed in jamming ones art up ones arse. 



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I always enjoy a good punch up!

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:44 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wr=
ote:

> There is always someone who thinks it's clever to come along and piss in
> the pool.
>
> Sound like we've got an unhappy camper.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:27 PM, eib halimski wrote:
>
>  Btw guys, google Elmer Fuddski.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Phil Clevenger < *phil.clevenger@gmail.co=
m
> *> wrote:
> I think maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the
> bed this morning :)
>
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>
> > A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn'=
t
> interested in jamming ones art up ones arse.
>
>
>


--=20
*Mark Francombe*
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
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I always enjoy a good punch up!

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ug 5, 2011 at 10:44 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:



The=
re is always someone who thinks it's clever to come along and piss in t=
he pool.


Sound like we've go=
t an unhappy camper.





On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:27 PM, eib halimski wrote:

=A0B=
tw guys, google Elmer Fuddski. 




On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:1=
4 AM, Phil Clevenger < phil.clevenger@gmai=
l.com> wrote: 



I t=
hink maybe someone just got up on the kind-of-a-bastard-y side of the bed t=
his morning :) 



<=
div>
On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: =




> A true a=
rtist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't in=
terested in jamming ones art up ones arse. 










-- 
Mark Francombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe


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Looking forward to that pedal Rick...

On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
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>>=20
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>> I think Kim Flint was interested in this Sequencer style looping and =
hoped to see it used with the more "traditional" looping and I'm kind of =
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> Along these lines, one of the things that I'm working on for the =
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> The idea is to create ostinato loops that, nonetheless constantly =
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Looking forward to that pedal Rick...

On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Rick Walker wrote:




    On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
    

      


        

      


        

      
I think
          Kim Flint was interested in this Sequencer style looping and
          hoped to see it used with the more "traditional" looping and
          I'm kind of surprised that there is so little of it. 

    

    Along these lines, one of the things that I'm working on for the
    Walker Manual Glitch pedal is the ability to loop the 

    data of the machine as opposed to the audio of the machine in
    exactly this way.

    

    What excites me is that a series of manual manipulations (triggering
    rhythms or 'glitching' silence or other sounds into an existent 

    ambient loop whilst manipulating filter frequencies, center
    frequencies and volume) and then sending a randomly recorded 

    ambient loop through that data  means that each time a 'rhythm' is
    played, the timbre will be slightly different because the 

    processing 'loop' of the glitch pedal and the ambient loop that
    feeds into it will not be in the same position.

    

    A dream for me is to have an LP-2 on the front side of the Walker
    Manual Glitch Pedal and an LP-2 on the output but syncrhonized 

    to the data stream of the WMGP.

    

    The idea is to create ostinato loops that, nonetheless constantly
    shift slightly in timbre............not unlike 

    a guitarist who picks in a very funky manner but NOT perfectly.

    

    We're getting there with this pedal (thanks to the vision of Bill
    Putnam of UA)  I think it actually will come out at some point and
    with some very, very exciting new technological innovations
    associated with it that I can't talk about as yet.

    

    I'm only sad that Kim won't be around to appreciate it's release as
    I think he'd get a kick out of it.

    

    Rick Walker

  





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Is easier to spit negativity out especially from people who themselves have
been abused and negelcted and believe thats the best and only way to go.


On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:

> Criticism can be a boon to ones musicianship. Haven't you ever taken music
> lessons? People who learn to play Shubert, for example, may take a lot of
> abuse from a music teacher.
>
> Perhaps you like a world whereby everybody pretends they're happy and
> everything's good - like people in North Korea.
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/5/11, Kevin Cheli-Colando * wrote:
>
>
> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando 
>
> Subject: Re: The Wandering Madman new video
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:46 AM
>
>
>
>
> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't
> interested in jamming ones art up ones arse.
>
>
> Nonsense (both theoretically and grammatically).  Still don't understand
> the negative tone of your posts.  You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why
> the disparagement?
>
> Kevin
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>
>


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Is easier to spit negativity out especially from people who themselves have=
 been abused and negelcted and believe thats the best and only way to go.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Elmer =
Fuddski <j=
akebrakesrule@yahoo.com> wrote:


Crit=
icism can be a boon to ones musicianship. Haven't you ever taken music =
lessons? People who learn to play Shubert, for example, may take a lot of a=
buse from a music teacher. 



=A0


Perhaps you like a world whereby everybody pretends they're happy =
and everything's good - like people in North Korea.

--- On Fr=
i, 8/5/11, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:





From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>


Subject: Re: The Wandering Madman new video
To: Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:46 AM



















=A0


A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor=
 isn't interested in jamming ones art up ones arse. 

Nonsense (both theoretically and gr=
ammatically).=A0 Still don't understand the negative tone of your posts=
.=A0 You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why the disparagement?


Kevin
-- 
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the bo=
dy and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root ca=
use of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and V=
ision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org

Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos 




-- 
www.lui=
s-angulo.com


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btw y'all if you haven't seen him live from his van don't miss it this
Sunday! http://www.thewanderingmadman.com/webcam.html

j

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Louie Angulo wrote:

> Is easier to spit negativity out especially from people who themselves have
> been abused and negelcted and believe thats the best and only way to go.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>
>> Criticism can be a boon to ones musicianship. Haven't you ever taken music
>> lessons? People who learn to play Shubert, for example, may take a lot of
>> abuse from a music teacher.
>>
>> Perhaps you like a world whereby everybody pretends they're happy and
>> everything's good - like people in North Korea.
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 8/5/11, Kevin Cheli-Colando * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando 
>>
>> Subject: Re: The Wandering Madman new video
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:46 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor isn't
>> interested in jamming ones art up ones arse.
>>
>>
>> Nonsense (both theoretically and grammatically).  Still don't understand
>> the negative tone of your posts.  You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why
>> the disparagement?
>>
>> Kevin
>> --
>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>>
>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>>
>> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> www.luis-angulo.com
>

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it this Sunday! h=
ttp://www.thewanderingmadman.com/webcam.html

j


On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>=
 wrote:

Is easier to spit negativity out especially from people who themselves have=
 been abused and negelcted and believe thats the best and only way to go.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Elmer =
Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com> wrote:





Criticism can be a boon to ones musicianship. Haven't you ever tak=
en music lessons? People who learn to play Shubert, for example, may take a=
 lot of abuse from a music teacher. 



=A0


Perhaps you like a world whereby everybody pretends they're happy =
and everything's good - like people in North Korea.

--- On Fr=
i, 8/5/11, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:






From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>


Subject: Re: The Wandering Madman new video
To: Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:46 AM




















=A0


A true artist doesn't care what ANYONE thinks about their work nor=
 isn't interested in jamming ones art up ones arse. 

Nonsense (both theoretically and gr=
ammatically).=A0 Still don't understand the negative tone of your posts=
.=A0 You don't dig the sounds, cool, but why the disparagement?



Kevin
-- 
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the bo=
dy and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root ca=
use of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and V=
ision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org


Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos 





-- 
www.lui=
s-angulo.com





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nice bro!!!
cheers
Luis

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Rick Walker  wrote:
> Some of you have probably seen this posted at the "loopers delight' group=
 at
> Facebook
> but for those of you who haven't
>
> www.youtube.com/looppool
>
>
> I posted this piece which showcases a couple of new functions that I adde=
d
> to the LP-2 Mini Looper
> (quarter/quadruple speed and random retrigger). =A0 I also use liberal am=
ounts
> of half/double speed, reverse
> and quantized replace with different retriggering schemes that are built
> into the LP-2.
>
> For tech heads, I used a cheap fretless Stratocaster tuned to a scale (no=
t
> an open tuning) with a
> Harmonic Capo at the 12 fret running through an Experience Octave Fuzz
> (without the octaver turned on), an
> LP-2 and then, finally, =A0an Electro Harmonix Freeze pedal into a 5 watt=
 Vox
> amp, miced into my computer
> with an Audio Technica ATM 4033 into a Blue Icycle USB pre amp/USB adapto=
r.
>
> Each side of the stereo was a separate single take in real time........th=
ey
> both laid really nicely against
> each other though are not at all synced.
>
> I also used a new fun iPhone video effects app (I forget which it's calle=
d)
> and shot the video which
> consists of one single take of me shooting the blinds in my bathroom at
> dawn.
>
> Neither improv nor the video improv was designed for each other. =A0I jus=
t put
> them together and they sounded
> interesting and I resisted to urge to edit anything.
>
> The piece is called =A0 "Beautiful Christine on the Occasion of her Birth=
day"
> =A0and is dedicated to my lovely wife.
>
> Rick Walker
>
>



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whats up with this Paul??;-))

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Paul Richards
wrote:

> it was tough living paycheck to paycheck everyone was worried that I would
> amount to nothing I couldnt have found this at a better time...
> http://ana-lopez.iespana.es/AdamMurray67.html now im on the way to the top
> just picture all that is possible
> Dont say I never help anyone!
>



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whats up with this Paul??;-))

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te:


it was=
 tough living paycheck to paycheck everyone was worried that I would amount=
 to nothing I couldnt have found this at a better time...

http://ana-lopez.iespana.es/AdamMurray67.html now im on the way to the=
 top just picture all that is possible
Dont say I never help anyone!






-- <=
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howdy all=2C

sry ive been lost in the woods for a few days.....i got to play at a hippie=
 hula-hoop festival type thing..twas very interesting... i see i sparked so=
me conversation while I was gone.....

thank you all for taking the time to watch the video...i only wish i could =
offer some lsd or herbal supplement with every viewing to help ease the ten=
sion.....feel free to try licking your computer screen....it just may do th=
e trick...

the kickstarter is mainly for the venues i will be contacting in the next f=
ew weeks...it's simply a shot in the dark for booking a tour=2C not trying =
to slam anything down anyone's throat... i simply figured the introduction =
and mission statement would be welcomed by the promoters-

i appreciate all the comments...both positive and negative as they provide =
me with motivation and amusement respectively...=20

much more to come whether you like it or not...
web show this sunday at 8pm central if anyone is bored...... www.thewanderi=
ngmadman.com/webcam.html

respectfully yours=2C




The Wandering Madman=20
 		 	   		  =

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howdy all=2C

sry ive been lost in the woods for a few days.....i got=
 to play at a hippie hula-hoop festival type thing..twas very interesting..=
. i see i sparked some conversation while I was gone.....

thank you =
all for taking the time to watch the video...i only wish i could offer some=
 lsd or herbal supplement with every viewing to help ease the tension.....f=
eel free to try licking your computer screen....it just may do the trick...=


the kickstarter is mainly for the venues i will be contacting in th=
e next few weeks...it's simply a shot in the dark for booking a tour=2C not=
 trying to slam anything down anyone's throat... i simply figured the intro=
duction and mission statement would be welcomed by the promoters-

i =
appreciate all the comments...both positive and negative as they provide me=
 with motivation and amusement respectively... 

much more to come wh=
ether you like it or not...
web show this sunday at 8pm central if anyon=
e is bored...... www.thewanderingmadman.com/webcam.html

respectfully=
 yours=2C




The=
 Wandering Madman 
 		 	   		  

=

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Ditto on what Charles had said =97 the 3rd Gen iPod Touch is probably
the easiest, cheapest way to gain access to the relatively stable
environment of the iOS music apps that are out there.

All of the music apps that run on the iPhone will run on the iPod (not
all iPAD apps will, so be careful) and there are some very
sophisticated ones available for free or not too much cash.

Android is finally starting to catch up so far as the fundamentals of
what one can do, but the "finished" apps that will allow you to get to
work are clearly in the iOS camp. Kind of too bad, because the Android
tablets are quite inexpensive and I'd love to have half a dozen of
them in the studio to work with . . .I've owned a Samsung Galaxy
Tablet and it would have been great if I'd had even half of what I now
have available for the iPod and iPad.

iPod Touch =97 The Apple Musical Gateway Drug!

Best,

Dennis

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/



On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Buzap Buzap  wrote:
> Hi folks
>
> I'm planning on buying an Android phone. Generally, I'd prefer it to an i=
Phone (microSD, transparent/open, accessible file system).
> However, I'm not sure if the Android will be ok for music/looping. I just=
 need some basic looping (long loop, overdubs, able to save it), basic musi=
c notation (abc notation or Lilypond) and some simple things (mp3 voice rec=
order, tuner, metronome etc.).
> Should I be ok with an Android for basic stuff (no gimmicks) or is there =
simply no alternative for a musician to an iPhone?
>
> best regards
> Buzap
>
> --
> NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zur=FCck-Garantie!
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>

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Mark,

As the original creator of the FaceBook group page, I'd be DELIGHTED
to make you an admin, too ... I added a bunch of folks yesterday and
may have missed you =97 I was trying to get as many of the LD List
oldies to do some of the heavy lifting over there as I could.

The FB group IS semi-moderated, so there is the ability to remove some
of the less "on-topic" postings there.

Loop on,

~~D.

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/



On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:30 AM, mark francombe  wro=
te:
> Here on the list side of LD, we=B4ve been pretty good about being relativ=
ely
> ON TOPIC, and try not to stray too much from looping (unless its importan=
t
> or fun!) The Facebook group however seems to be beginning to recieve a bu=
nch
> of holiday snaps and OT things.
>
> I really like the split between the list and the FB group, its clearing t=
he
> list of all the YouTube posts, but making a nice fun to watch page at FB
> too.
> Now it might be that I dont understand FB, and that FB-LD is just showing
> stuff off peoples profiles, but surely that's gonna be a setting thing.
>
> Lets keep FB spam free?
>
> Loop On!
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
>

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Wander on Mad Man!

daniel
On Aug 6, 2011, at 8:24 AM, FRO DIDDLY wrote:

> howdy all,
> 
> sry ive been lost in the woods for a few days.....i got to play at a hippie hula-hoop festival type thing..twas very interesting... i see i sparked some conversation while I was gone.....
> 
> thank you all for taking the time to watch the video...i only wish i could offer some lsd or herbal supplement with every viewing to help ease the tension.....feel free to try licking your computer screen....it just may do the trick...
> 
> the kickstarter is mainly for the venues i will be contacting in the next few weeks...it's simply a shot in the dark for booking a tour, not trying to slam anything down anyone's throat... i simply figured the introduction and mission statement would be welcomed by the promoters-
> 
> i appreciate all the comments...both positive and negative as they provide me with motivation and amusement respectively... 
> 
> much more to come whether you like it or not...
> web show this sunday at 8pm central if anyone is bored...... www.thewanderingmadman.com/webcam.html
> 
> respectfully yours,
> 
> The Wandering Madman


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Wander on Mad =
Man!

daniel
On Aug 6, 2011, at 8:24 AM, =
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howdy all,

sry ive been lost in the woods for =
a few days.....i got to play at a hippie hula-hoop festival type =
thing..twas very interesting... i see i sparked some conversation while =
I was gone.....

thank you all for taking the time to watch the =
video...i only wish i could offer some lsd or herbal supplement with =
every viewing to help ease the tension.....feel free to try licking your =
computer screen....it just may do the trick...

the kickstarter is =
mainly for the venues i will be contacting in the next few weeks...it's =
simply a shot in the dark for booking a tour, not trying to slam =
anything down anyone's throat... i simply figured the introduction and =
mission statement would be welcomed by the promoters-

i =
appreciate all the comments...both positive and negative as they provide =
me with motivation and amusement respectively... 

much more to come =
whether you like it or not...
web show this sunday at 8pm central if =
anyone is bored...... www.thewanderingmad=
man.com/webcam.html

respectfully yours,

The =
Wandering =
Madman

=

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I just put the track "Panthermeisen" - for my upcoming album "Reflexiv 
Hören" in a release candidate version up on soundcloud:
http://soundcloud.com/moinlabs/panthermeisen

"Reflexiv Hören" is the second part of my "Akustik Kies" double album 
with improvised solo piano material from 2010's MoinSound Studio Sessions.
http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=288

About the track:
Piano - Steinberg The Grand 3.0, Bösendorfer 290 model (if I'm not 
mistaken). Loops - Möbius (VST, running within Ableton Live). Other 
effects - The Grand's built-in reverb, there may be additional Live reverb.

Status of the album project:
http://moinsound.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/reflexiv-horen-report-on-progress-on-the-album-project/

Yours,

          Rainer

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Hi there!

I am clearing out some clutter and wondering if anyone would find  
these amusing enough to purchase.

I've a bunch of old VHS tapes and among them are:

"Adrian Belew, Electronic Guitar" VHS (1984)

"David Torn, Painting with  Guitar, Vols 1 & 2" VHS (1993)

"Phil Keaggy Electric Guitar Style" VHS (1988)

All 3 are looping-related, even the Keaggy one (though it is pre- 
JamMan).

Any reasonable offer stands a good chance of getting them - but post  
me about it off list, please.

I am the original purchaser on all of them, so they have been on the  
shelf in my living room for years, and years simply collecting dust.

Not a lot of point hanging on to them for me, but if they appeal to  
anyone else here let me know.

Cheers,

Ted Killian

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I have been listening to a song from the album Gr=E1 agus B=E1s by =20
Donnacha Dennehy.

The song is from a song cycle called: That The Night Come.
THe title of the song is: He wishes his Beloved were Dead
The vocalist is Dawn Upshaw

The musical arrangement is delicate and minimal which gives Upshaw's =20
voice space to maneuver.
Her interpretation is rich and devastating.
Her emotive choices are exquisite.
This is the most beautiful and moving song rendition I have heard in =20
forever.

I had to listen several  times to fully connect with it.
I would recommend listening to it a few times on whatever device you =20
care to.
Then when you need some gorgeousness:
wait until things are quiet, turn off the lights, and play the song on =20=

a sound system (with bass)=97don't listen with earbuds or headphones,
Let it Fill the Room.

regards

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The song is from =
a song cycle called: That The Night Come.
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Dawn Upshaw

The musical =
arrangement is delicate and minimal which gives Upshaw's voice space to =
maneuver.
Her interpretation is rich and =
devastating.
Her emotive choices are =
exquisite. 
This is the most beautiful and moving song =
rendition I have heard in forever.

I had to =
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I =
would recommend listening to it a few times on whatever device =
you care to. 
Then when you need some =
gorgeousness:
wait until things are quiet, turn off the =
lights, and play the song on a sound system (with bass)=97don't listen =
with earbuds or headphones, 
Let it Fill the =
Room. 

regards

BobC=



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Nice Rick!

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Rick Walker  wrote:

> Some of you have probably seen this posted at the "loopers delight' group
> at Facebook
> but for those of you who haven't
>
> www.youtube.com/looppool
>
>
> I posted this piece which showcases a couple of new functions that I added
> to the LP-2 Mini Looper
> (quarter/quadruple speed and random retrigger).   I also use liberal
> amounts of half/double speed, reverse
> and quantized replace with different retriggering schemes that are built
> into the LP-2.
>
> For tech heads, I used a cheap fretless Stratocaster tuned to a scale (not
> an open tuning) with a
> Harmonic Capo at the 12 fret running through an Experience Octave Fuzz
> (without the octaver turned on), an
> LP-2 and then, finally,  an Electro Harmonix Freeze pedal into a 5 watt Vox
> amp, miced into my computer
> with an Audio Technica ATM 4033 into a Blue Icycle USB pre amp/USB adaptor.
>
> Each side of the stereo was a separate single take in real time........they
> both laid really nicely against
> each other though are not at all synced.
>
> I also used a new fun iPhone video effects app (I forget which it's called)
> and shot the video which
> consists of one single take of me shooting the blinds in my bathroom at
> dawn.
>
> Neither improv nor the video improv was designed for each other.  I just
> put them together and they sounded
> interesting and I resisted to urge to edit anything.
>
> The piece is called   "Beautiful Christine on the Occasion of her Birthday"
>  and is dedicated to my lovely wife.
>
> Rick Walker
>
>


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Nice Rick!

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:16 PM=
, Rick Walker <=
looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
www.youtube.c=
om/looppool





I posted this piece which showcases a couple of new functions that I added =
to the LP-2 Mini Looper

(quarter/quadruple speed and random retrigger). =A0 I also use liberal amou=
nts of half/double speed, reverse

and quantized replace with different retriggering schemes that are built in=
to the LP-2.



For tech heads, I used a cheap fretless Stratocaster tuned to a scale (not =
an open tuning) with a

Harmonic Capo at the 12 fret running through an Experience Octave Fuzz (wit=
hout the octaver turned on), an

LP-2 and then, finally, =A0an Electro Harmonix Freeze pedal into a 5 watt V=
ox amp, miced into my computer

with an Audio Technica ATM 4033 into a Blue Icycle USB pre amp/USB adaptor.=




Each side of the stereo was a separate single take in real time........they=
 both laid really nicely against

each other though are not at all synced.



I also used a new fun iPhone video effects app (I forget which it's cal=
led) and shot the video which

consists of one single take of me shooting the blinds in my bathroom at daw=
n.



Neither improv nor the video improv was designed for each other. =A0I just =
put them together and they sounded

interesting and I resisted to urge to edit anything.



The piece is called =A0 "Beautiful Christine on the Occasion of her Bi=
rthday" =A0and is dedicated to my lovely wife.



Rick Walker







-- 
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/=
artsimon


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1) what aspects of looping do you enjoy the most?

It's a toss up between the lavish backstage riders and the groupies.
The money is nice of course, but it's secondary to pleasing my fans.
Ultimately, I really like playing with myself.


2) what aspects of looping do you enjoy the least?

Hotels with windows that don't open so you can't throw TVs into the =
pool.
LD's that give me insufficient light for proper shoe gazing.
Rednecks waving lighters screaming FREEBIRD!   IN C!


3) what looping tools (including controllers) do you currently
use/have used in the past?

Currently I use Mobius and a variety of controllers.  The controllers
I use most often are a Behringer FCB-1010 footswitch, KORG nanoKey,
and KORG nanoKontrol.  I sometimes use an iPad with TouchOSC, Novation
Remote 25, M-Audio Trigger Finger, Keith McMillen Softstep, and
several touch sensitive itinerant laborers.

In the past I've used a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro, a Lexicon Jamman
(the old one), and a Digitech 2 second delay/sampler.


4) what are the strengths of these tools?

Mobius does just about everything I need though I do occasionally
have problems with priapism.=20


5) what are the weaknesses of these tools?

Not flame retardant. =20


6) do you modify a loop once it's been created? if so, how?

I usually start building loops for static background patterns.  They may
contain several overdubs and multiplications but afterward they don't
change though I may trigger them randomly to create "songs".
When I get to the "solo" part I treat the loop more like something
I "play" by applying effects, chopping it up into pieces, changing
playback direction and speed, etc.=20

Occasionally I might apply transdermal implants, scarification,
or a Prince Albert, but only for weddings and family reunions.


7) how much planning do you do for a particular performance?

Typically a week of fasting, sweat lodges, and a few drum circles.

Most of the time I use looping to create backgrounds for
improvisation.  There is not much planning other than a chord
progression and instrumentation.  I find this enjoyable to do as a
performer, but often it is boring to listen to as an audience member.

I am more interesting in hearing people that use loops as an extension
of their instrument, creating complex evolving patterns that could not
be done any other way.  I also like loopers that create complex
multi-part arrangements with parts that come and go.  This is
something I aspire to do but I don't do it well.


8) what form does this planning take? (do you write it down, keep it
in your head, etc)

I sketch things using a modified form of standard music notation.
Then I drink a lot and stare at it.


9) at what level of detail do you plan? (melody, harmony, timbres,
dynamics, instrumental techniques, etc.)

Usually just rhythm, chords, and timbres.  The rest is improvised.
I also like to know where all the exits are and the average first =
responder time.


10) describe your general approach to loop performance.

Do no harm.


11) what would the ideal looping system look like? describe it in as
much detail as you can (and don't worry about practical concerns).

Pretty much Mobius but with more cowbell.


12) any additional comments?

I like turtles.

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Thanks Jeff!

Best post to this forum ever, IMHO.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Jeff Larson  wrote:

>
> 1) what aspects of looping do you enjoy the most?
>
> It's a toss up between the lavish backstage riders and the groupies.
> The money is nice of course, but it's secondary to pleasing my fans.
> Ultimately, I really like playing with myself.
>
>
> 2) what aspects of looping do you enjoy the least?
>
> Hotels with windows that don't open so you can't throw TVs into the pool.
> LD's that give me insufficient light for proper shoe gazing.
> Rednecks waving lighters screaming FREEBIRD!   IN C!
>
>
> 3) what looping tools (including controllers) do you currently
> use/have used in the past?
>
> Currently I use Mobius and a variety of controllers.  The controllers
> I use most often are a Behringer FCB-1010 footswitch, KORG nanoKey,
> and KORG nanoKontrol.  I sometimes use an iPad with TouchOSC, Novation
> Remote 25, M-Audio Trigger Finger, Keith McMillen Softstep, and
> several touch sensitive itinerant laborers.
>
> In the past I've used a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro, a Lexicon Jamman
> (the old one), and a Digitech 2 second delay/sampler.
>
>
> 4) what are the strengths of these tools?
>
> Mobius does just about everything I need though I do occasionally
> have problems with priapism.
>
>
> 5) what are the weaknesses of these tools?
>
> Not flame retardant.
>
>
> 6) do you modify a loop once it's been created? if so, how?
>
> I usually start building loops for static background patterns.  They may
> contain several overdubs and multiplications but afterward they don't
> change though I may trigger them randomly to create "songs".
> When I get to the "solo" part I treat the loop more like something
> I "play" by applying effects, chopping it up into pieces, changing
> playback direction and speed, etc.
>
> Occasionally I might apply transdermal implants, scarification,
> or a Prince Albert, but only for weddings and family reunions.
>
>
> 7) how much planning do you do for a particular performance?
>
> Typically a week of fasting, sweat lodges, and a few drum circles.
>
> Most of the time I use looping to create backgrounds for
> improvisation.  There is not much planning other than a chord
> progression and instrumentation.  I find this enjoyable to do as a
> performer, but often it is boring to listen to as an audience member.
>
> I am more interesting in hearing people that use loops as an extension
> of their instrument, creating complex evolving patterns that could not
> be done any other way.  I also like loopers that create complex
> multi-part arrangements with parts that come and go.  This is
> something I aspire to do but I don't do it well.
>
>
> 8) what form does this planning take? (do you write it down, keep it
> in your head, etc)
>
> I sketch things using a modified form of standard music notation.
> Then I drink a lot and stare at it.
>
>
> 9) at what level of detail do you plan? (melody, harmony, timbres,
> dynamics, instrumental techniques, etc.)
>
> Usually just rhythm, chords, and timbres.  The rest is improvised.
> I also like to know where all the exits are and the average first responder
> time.
>
>
> 10) describe your general approach to loop performance.
>
> Do no harm.
>
>
> 11) what would the ideal looping system look like? describe it in as
> much detail as you can (and don't worry about practical concerns).
>
> Pretty much Mobius but with more cowbell.
>
>
> 12) any additional comments?
>
> I like turtles.
>
>


-- 
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimon

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Thanks Jeff!

Best post to this forum ever, IMHO.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com>=
 wrote:




1) what aspects of looping do you enjoy the most?



It's a toss up between the lavish backstage riders and the groupies.
The money is nice of course, but it's secondary to pleasing my fans.
Ultimately, I really like playing with myself.





2) what aspects of looping do you enjoy the least?



Hotels with windows that don't open so you can't throw TVs into the=
 pool.

LD's that give me insufficient light for proper shoe gazing.

Rednecks waving lighters screaming FREEBIRD! =A0 IN C!





3) what looping tools (including controllers) do you currently

use/have used in the past?



Currently I use Mobius and a variety of controllers. =A0The controllers

I use most often are a Behringer FCB-1010 footswitch, KORG nanoKey,

and KORG nanoKontrol. =A0I sometimes use an iPad with TouchOSC, Novation
Remote 25, M-Audio Trigger Finger, Keith McMillen Softstep, and

several touch sensitive itinerant laborers.



In the past I've used a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro, a Lexicon Jamman
(the old one), and a Digitech 2 second delay/sampler.





4) what are the strengths of these tools?



Mobius does just about everything I need though I do occasionally

have problems with priapism.





5) what are the weaknesses of these tools?



Not flame retardant.





6) do you modify a loop once it's been created? if so, how?



I usually start building loops for static background patterns. =A0They may<=
br>
contain several overdubs and multiplications but afterward they don't
change though I may trigger them randomly to create "songs".

When I get to the "solo" part I treat the loop more like somethin=
g

I "play" by applying effects, chopping it up into pieces, changin=
g

playback direction and speed, etc.



Occasionally I might apply transdermal implants, scarification,

or a Prince Albert, but only for weddings and family reunions.





7) how much planning do you do for a particular performance?



Typically a week of fasting, sweat lodges, and a few drum circles.



Most of the time I use looping to create backgrounds for

improvisation. =A0There is not much planning other than a chord

progression and instrumentation. =A0I find this enjoyable to do as a

performer, but often it is boring to listen to as an audience member.



I am more interesting in hearing people that use loops as an extension

of their instrument, creating complex evolving patterns that could not

be done any other way. =A0I also like loopers that create complex

multi-part arrangements with parts that come and go. =A0This is

something I aspire to do but I don't do it well.





8) what form does this planning take? (do you write it down, keep it

in your head, etc)



I sketch things using a modified form of standard music notation.

Then I drink a lot and stare at it.





9) at what level of detail do you plan? (melody, harmony, timbres,

dynamics, instrumental techniques, etc.)



Usually just rhythm, chords, and timbres. =A0The rest is improvised.

I also like to know where all the exits are and the average first responder=
 time.





10) describe your general approach to loop performance.



Do no harm.





11) what would the ideal looping system look like? describe it in as

much detail as you can (and don't worry about practical concerns).



Pretty much Mobius but with more cowbell.





12) any additional comments?



I like turtles.







-- 
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimo=
n


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Important announcement, on the heels of Fro's offer. Be advised before 
licking your rmonitor:

"To get back to the warning that I received. You may take it with however 
many grains of salt that you wish. That the brown Acer monitors that are 
circulating around us aren't too good. It is suggested that you stay away 
from that. Of course it's your own trip. So be my guest, but please be 
advised that there is a warning on those ones, ok?"

Fro, I keep forgetting to tune in to your web shows. If you ever decide to 
create a personal mailing list to shoot out news and reminders of upcoming 
events (hint), feel free to put my address in there.

Compguy2 at comcast dot net.

Just an aside... I tried licking my monitor and only got a weird flavor of 
coffee, Sprite, and chicken grease. No buzz watsoever, but it was worth a 
shot. Knowing that this message will undoubtedly inspire a new YouTube 
video, I'll donate my half of the proceeds to your cause.

Brian


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howdy all,

sry ive been lost in the woods for a few days.....i got to play at a hippie 
hula-hoop festival type thing..twas very interesting... i see i sparked some 
conversation while I was gone.....

thank you all for taking the time to watch the video...i only wish i could 
offer some lsd or herbal supplement with every viewing to help ease the 
tension.....feel free to try licking your computer screen....it just may do 
the trick...

the kickstarter is mainly for the venues i will be contacting in the next 
few weeks...it's simply a shot in the dark for booking a tour, not trying to 
slam anything down anyone's throat... i simply figured the introduction and 
mission statement would be welcomed by the promoters-

i appreciate all the comments...both positive and negative as they provide 
me with motivation and amusement respectively...

much more to come whether you like it or not...
web show this sunday at 8pm central if anyone is bored...... 
www.thewanderingmadman.com/webcam.html

respectfully yours,

The Wandering Madman 

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On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:

> 4) what are the strengths of these tools?
> 
> Mobius does just about everything I need though I do occasionally
> have problems with priapism. 


Okay I just got that. 

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I have the Torn and Belew tapes. Great struff!! VHS Rules!!


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Hi there!

I am clearing out some clutter and wondering if anyone would find =20
these amusing enough to purchase.

I've a bunch of old VHS tapes and among them are:

"Adrian Belew, Electronic Guitar" VHS (1984)

"David Torn, Painting with  Guitar, Vols 1 & 2" VHS (1993)

"Phil Keaggy Electric Guitar Style" VHS (1988)

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Any reasonable offer stands a good chance of getting them - but post =20
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I am the original purchaser on all of them, so they have been on the =20
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I have the Torn and Belew tapes. Great struff!! VHS Rules!!







3D"8-)"PJ 

















Hi there!

I am clearing out some clutter and wondering if anyone would find =20
these amusing enough to purchase.

I've a bunch of old VHS tapes and among them are:

"Adrian Belew, Electronic Guitar" VHS (1984)

"David Torn, Painting with  Guitar, Vols 1 & 2" VHS (1993)

"Phil Keaggy Electric Guitar Style" VHS (1988)

All 3 are looping-related, even the Keaggy one (though it is pre-=20
JamMan).

Any reasonable offer stands a good chance of getting them - but post =20
me about it off list, please.

I am the original purchaser on all of them, so they have been on the =20
shelf in my living room for years, and years simply collecting dust.

Not a lot of point hanging on to them for me, but if they appeal to =20
anyone else here let me know.

Cheers,

Ted Killian





 









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On 2 Aug 2011, at 10:24, andy butler wrote:

> mark francombe wrote:
>> To Mattias, Bob or... er Andy (you part of this? cant see your name =
anywhere, but it tends to pop up "where great things happen")

thats true, we need Andy's spirit and advice, I should mention him
>=20
> Currently Matt's focusing on the hardware with a small team
> (including Rolf "Paradis" Spuler) and advice from Bob.

more than advice, he designed the main board and some essential software =
bits
>=20
> I don't have input on that, I've seen bits of prototype
> though...it's certainly well beyond vapourware.
>=20
>=20
>> Now I have two specific qusetions:
>> 1) Does it do loop windowing?
...
I hoped that my definition was clear enough: it needs to start as a EDP =
replacement so the first version will be as similar as possible. the =
Echoloop code, basically
then we evolve together from there.
>=20
>=20
>> But more generally, and wondering about Marcus=B4s question regarding =
how many lopps (sic). The EDP didnt have multple loops like the more =
modern idea for multiple loops playing at the same time =
(looperlative/Mobius etc) but had multiple consecutive loops.

that was a sad HW limitation. Keith and me talked about multiple loops =
but we did not want to switch processor
>=20
> There's certainly a button on the front panel which is going to allow
> multi-track loops. Matt's idea seems to be to give the user the option =
to switch between
> different "groups" of loop, so instead of going to a "Next" edp loop
> you switch to a whole multi-track arrangement.

hm... that does not sound quite right to me, but I better do not spend =
time with this now
I am pretty sure that I will not follow the "multiple EDP" way but allow =
the "Next" to play simultaneous
does that appeal?

> I'm pretty sure he hasn't programmed that yet.

right :-)
>=20

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I haven't been gigging much the last few years, but here's some video 
from last March.
Check out all three parts, it's one long piece...it evolves.

David Beardsley, microtonal guitar at Pianos, NYC 3-27-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqUH3doD05U&feature=channel_video_title 


I hope you enjoy it.

-- 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com

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Nice! Enjoyed.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:40 PM, David Beardsley  wrote:
> I haven't been gigging much the last few years, but here's some video from
> last March.
> Check out all three parts, it's one long piece...it evolves.
>
> David Beardsley, microtonal guitar at Pianos, NYC 3-27-11
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqUH3doD05U&feature=channel_video_title
> 
>
> I hope you enjoy it.
>
> --
> * David Beardsley
> * http://biink.com
>
>

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http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2011/110806.html

The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts.  When I am
at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix
of other genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on
WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet.  I also host Afterglow
every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.
http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html

                 Show #204                August 6, 2011.

On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music
magazine.  Each contemporary issue comes with a CD.  However, the early
issues came with a cassette.  The cassettes from issues one through
thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic
slip covers with artwork and track details.  Details are at:
http://sequencesmagazine.com

On this program, I played music by Modulator ESP who will play at the
Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, September 4, at 8:00 pm.
http://soundscapes.us


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Modulator ESP        Alien Forest         Alien Forest Observations
                        Observations         (none)
VA [AirSculpture]    Live at the Alleycat Sequences No. 15
Joint Intelligence   Helixir              The Book of Roach (Bogus
   Committee                                 Focus)
Joint Intelligence   Crunchy Nut          The Book of Roach (Bogus
   Committee            Pornflakes           Focus)
Joint Intelligence   E flat Black flat    The Book of Roach (Bogus
   Committee                                 Focus)
Radio Massacre       End Titles           City 21 (Northern Echo)
   International


Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Ralph Zurmuhle       Shenandoah           eQuinox (Hearts of Space)
Terry Oldfield and   Call of the Deep     Healing Sound Journey (New
   Soraya Saraswati                          Earth)
Antoine DuFour       Solitude             Sound Pictures (Candyrat)
Ancient Future       14 Steps             World Without Walls (Sona
                                             Gaia)


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Mars Hollow          World In Front of Me World In Front of Me (10t)
Pinnacle             Too Far Gone         single (Everything To Excess)
Odin's Court         Blue Line            Human Life in Motion
                                             (ProgRock)
41 Point 9           Living In Hard Times Still Looking for the Answers
                                             (ProgRock)
K2                   Black Garden         Black Garden (Magna Carta)


  * = excerpt
++ = Advanced CDR from artist
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that
come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine.

Bill Fox
========================================================================
Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every
other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4.
Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music.
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio
Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line.

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As I enjoyed David Beardley's video "Microtonal Guitar..." I stumbled
into this other video that I have seen and liked a lot in the past. It
is a guy with a guitar that has adjustable frets so he can adjust it
to any microtonal scale and the point is that he explains about
microtonal scales in a great way, gives a sort of excellent
introduction to the field. My own interest in micrtonality emerged out
of frustration with the guitar and as I picked up wind isntruments on
the side I noticed that when not held back by the rigid mechanics of
frets you tend to intonate certain notes in a scale differently - and
"better" as you do it according to your own taste rather than the
instrument's limitations. Now, when the guy in this video talks about
just intonation and pure intervals he is spot on topic from a live
looping point of view. This is because when we kick in Half Speed,
Double Speed or any speed or pitch shifting it is a pure a
mathematical transformation. Looping devices doesn't compensate by
sometimes delivering a little twisted fifths in order to make thirds
sound fuller. I remember Henry Kaiser talked about this at YK7, using
a delay device with squarewave modulated frequency, and now I've heard
he has gotten a guitar with a True Temperament fretting set up to
match this. Neat! BTW the global microtonal library in Logic is why I
like using an EWI with those synths. And there's a lot of fun in
fiddling with microtonal scales by ear. Metasynth supports it in a
powerful way, if you are inclined towards electronic composition and
Alchemy is has a cool live player's interface that include micro
scales as well as a good arpeggioator.

Anyway, here's the URL to the video:
http://youtu.be/yhdpsuXtewY

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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I made little stickers on my fretless bass for 13 notes/octave.  It sounds okay, but surprisingly it sounds even cooler if I tune the strings to the microtonal intervals(which you need to do anyway) but play in the 12notes/octave positions.  That is, instead of tuning by harmonics I tune the adjacent strings to the closest 13notes/octave pitch, then play as I would normally where the original frets are located.

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On Aug 7, 2011, at 6:26 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> As I enjoyed David Beardley's video "Microtonal Guitar..." I stumbled
> into this other video that I have seen and liked a lot in the past. It
> is a guy with a guitar that has adjustable frets so he can adjust it
> to any microtonal scale and the point is that he explains about
> microtonal scales in a great way, gives a sort of excellent
> introduction to the field. My own interest in micrtonality emerged out
> of frustration with the guitar and as I picked up wind isntruments on
> the side I noticed that when not held back by the rigid mechanics of
> frets you tend to intonate certain notes in a scale differently - and
> "better" as you do it according to your own taste rather than the
> instrument's limitations. Now, when the guy in this video talks about
> just intonation and pure intervals he is spot on topic from a live
> looping point of view. This is because when we kick in Half Speed,
> Double Speed or any speed or pitch shifting it is a pure a
> mathematical transformation. Looping devices doesn't compensate by
> sometimes delivering a little twisted fifths in order to make thirds
> sound fuller. I remember Henry Kaiser talked about this at YK7, using
> a delay device with squarewave modulated frequency, and now I've heard
> he has gotten a guitar with a True Temperament fretting set up to
> match this. Neat! BTW the global microtonal library in Logic is why I
> like using an EWI with those synths. And there's a lot of fun in
> fiddling with microtonal scales by ear. Metasynth supports it in a
> powerful way, if you are inclined towards electronic composition and
> Alchemy is has a cool live player's interface that include micro
> scales as well as a good arpeggioator.
> 
> Anyway, here's the URL to the video:
> http://youtu.be/yhdpsuXtewY
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
> 

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Whoa! this looks like some mondo cool stuff!

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:18 PM,  wrote:

> This is not 'music' software per se, but it does bring cool functionallit=
y
> to Android:
>
> On Android, Free, Open Source Touch Control for Music =96 And It=92s Just=
 the
> Beginning,  http://createdigitalmusic.com/**2011/07/on-android-free-open-=
*
> *source-touch-control-for-**music-and-its-just-the-**beginning/#more-1992=
7
>
>
> Quoting Buzap Buzap :
>
>  Hi folks
>>
>> I'm planning on buying an Android phone. Generally, I'd prefer it to  an
>> iPhone (microSD, transparent/open, accessible file system).
>> However, I'm not sure if the Android will be ok for music/looping. I  ju=
st
>> need some basic looping (long loop, overdubs, able to save it),  basic m=
usic
>> notation (abc notation or Lilypond) and some simple  things (mp3 voice
>> recorder, tuner, metronome etc.).
>> Should I be ok with an Android for basic stuff (no gimmicks) or is  ther=
e
>> simply no alternative for a musician to an iPhone?
>>
>> best regards
>> Buzap
>>
>> --
>> NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zur=FCck-Garantie!
>> Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/**freephone
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Whoa! this looks like some mondo cool stuff!

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:18 PM,  <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:

This is not 'music' software per se, but it does bring cool functio=
nallity to Android:



On Android, Free, Open Source Touch Control for Music =96 And It=92s Just t=
he Beginning, =A0http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/07/on-a=
ndroid-free-open-source-touch-control-for-music-and-its-just-=
the-beginning/#more-19927






Quoting Buzap Buzap <=
buzap@gmx.net>:





Hi folks



I'm planning on buying an Android phone. Generally, I'd prefer it t=
o =A0an iPhone (microSD, transparent/open, accessible file system).

However, I'm not sure if the Android will be ok for music/looping. I =
=A0just need some basic looping (long loop, overdubs, able to save it), =A0=
basic music notation (abc notation or Lilypond) and some simple =A0things (=
mp3 voice recorder, tuner, metronome etc.).


Should I be ok with an Android for basic stuff (no gimmicks) or is =A0there=
 simply no alternative for a musician to an iPhone?



best regards

Buzap



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Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone















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<=
a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.warrens=
irota.com
Latest CD: Loops, Live & Otw
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I'm not sure what the deal is, but I've been seeing a post of mine from =
July 27th repeated at least twice, most recently yesterday (that long =
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company I use is having some spasms.=20

Jeff

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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Jeff Larson  wrote:
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> Jeff


Seen that post too, but found it quite normal.
Repeating is what we loopers do.
Calm down. Loop on. Repeat.

Per

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Live Iteration.  Thats what we loopers do!

:)
Daniel
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> 
> Jeff
> 

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I was having a correspondence with Todd Matthews about iTouch, iPhone 
and iPad apps for video and still cameras. I thought this might not be 
too off topic because a lot of people here are interested in marrying 
visuals to their looping music, so in that spirit, here is a list of 
apps that I have been researching for an article for an up and coming 
music/art website:


VISUAL APPS for iTouch/iPhone/iPad

SPECIALTY VIDEO:
Motionize (!)
8mm
iTimeLapse (!)
Record Video
iMagiCam

VIDEO FX:
Cinema FX V
Film Director
Video Edit

CAMERAS:
Pro Camera
Pro HDR
iCamera HDR
iMagicCamPro
Camera+

TOY CAMERA SIMULATIONS:
Plastic Bullet
Hipstamatic
Classic TOY

STILL SPECIALTY CAMERAS:
Plano
Muybridgizer
StereoGram
Stop Motion
Anti Shake Camera
Night Vision
Thermal Vision
FishEyeforFree

PHOTO FX:
Photosynth
CameraBag
PhotoStudio
Picture Magic
Filter Storm 2

CARTOON PHOTO APPS:
ToonPAINT
Sketch Me!
Comic Book 1
ComicvBook 2
Comic Book 3
Cartoon

It would be great if people would make other recommendations if you have 
things that aren't on this list. I'm especially interested in unusual 
video effects. Android peeps should post in as well.

Enjoy!   Rick Walker

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While we're at it: Here's a list of cool music apps that I've researched 
for the iTouch/iPhone/iPad All of these can augment a live looping show 
so the same caveat applies as the Video/Camera post I just made:

GENERAL MUSIC APPS and BEATMAKERS
BoomClap
BeatMaker
Voice Lab
MixtikL
FL Studio (Fruity Loops)

LOOPING APPS:
Loopy
Voice Jam
ImproVox

SYNTHS:
AFX
Filtatron (MOOG)
Aura
DroneStation
Aetherphone
AeolianHarp

NOISE:
Bubble Harp
Grid
Noise Machine
Bloom
Sprak (!)

ETHNIC INSTRUMENTS:
Slit Drum
Pan Drum Full
Tongue Drum
Hang Drum
Bowls
iTanpura Lite
Tanpura Touch
Ocarina
iGayageum
Gayageum

OSC commands (to be used with Hans Lindauer's MISSING LINK
OSC to MIDI converter:
TouchOSC

SONG RECOGNITION APPS:
Shazam
SoundHound

Enjoy!    Rick Walker

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Very cool=2C the three separate pieces really fit... I like it a lot..=20
I did something similar once. i first recorded a looping jam with the EDP=
=2C then i did two new takes as complements to the first track=2C each in o=
ne take. Then i mixed just the two complementary track and it turned out ra=
ther cool.. very airy=20

LP2 seems like a great machine...
> Date: Fri=2C 5 Aug 2011 13:16:29 -0700
> From: looppool@cruzio.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: LOOPING VIDEO posted by Rick Walker
>=20
> Some of you have probably seen this posted at the "loopers delight'=20
> group at Facebook
> but for those of you who haven't
>=20
> www.youtube.com/looppool
>=20
>=20
> I posted this piece which showcases a couple of new functions that I=20
> added to the LP-2 Mini Looper
> (quarter/quadruple speed and random retrigger).   I also use liberal=20
> amounts of half/double speed=2C reverse
> and quantized replace with different retriggering schemes that are built=
=20
> into the LP-2.
>=20
> For tech heads=2C I used a cheap fretless Stratocaster tuned to a scale=20
> (not an open tuning) with a
> Harmonic Capo at the 12 fret running through an Experience Octave Fuzz=20
> (without the octaver turned on)=2C an
> LP-2 and then=2C finally=2C  an Electro Harmonix Freeze pedal into a 5 wa=
tt=20
> Vox amp=2C miced into my computer
> with an Audio Technica ATM 4033 into a Blue Icycle USB pre amp/USB adapto=
r.
>=20
> Each side of the stereo was a separate single take in real=20
> time........they both laid really nicely against
> each other though are not at all synced.
>=20
> I also used a new fun iPhone video effects app (I forget which it's=20
> called) and shot the video which
> consists of one single take of me shooting the blinds in my bathroom at=20
> dawn.
>=20
> Neither improv nor the video improv was designed for each other.  I just=
=20
> put them together and they sounded
> interesting and I resisted to urge to edit anything.
>=20
> The piece is called   "Beautiful Christine on the Occasion of her=20
> Birthday"  and is dedicated to my lovely wife.
>=20
> Rick Walker
>=20
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Very cool=2C th=
e three separate =3Bpieces =3Breally fit... I like it a lot.. =3B

I=
 did something similar once. i first recorded a looping jam with the EDP=2C=
 then i did two new takes as =3Bcomplements =3Bto the first track=2C each i=
n one take. Then i mixed just the two complementary track and it turned out=
 rather cool.. very airy =3B

LP2 seems like a great machin=
e...

>=3B Date: Fri=2C 5 Aug 2011 13:16:29 -0700
>=3B From: looppool@cru=
zio.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject=
: LOOPING VIDEO posted by Rick Walker
>=3B 
>=3B Some of you have=
 probably seen this posted at the "loopers delight' 
>=3B group at Fac=
ebook
>=3B but for those of you who haven't
>=3B 
>=3B www.y=
outube.com/looppool
>=3B 
>=3B 
>=3B I posted this piece whi=
ch showcases a couple of new functions that I 
>=3B added to the LP-2 =
Mini Looper
>=3B (quarter/quadruple speed and random retrigger).   I a=
lso use liberal 
>=3B amounts of half/double speed=2C reverse
>=
=3B and quantized replace with different retriggering schemes that are buil=
t 
>=3B into the LP-2.
>=3B 
>=3B For tech heads=2C I used a=
 cheap fretless Stratocaster tuned to a scale 
>=3B (not an open tunin=
g) with a
>=3B Harmonic Capo at the 12 fret running through an Experie=
nce Octave Fuzz 
>=3B (without the octaver turned on)=2C an
>=3B =
LP-2 and then=2C finally=2C  an Electro Harmonix Freeze pedal into a 5 watt=
 
>=3B Vox amp=2C miced into my computer
>=3B with an Audio Techn=
ica ATM 4033 into a Blue Icycle USB pre amp/USB adaptor.
>=3B 
>=
=3B Each side of the stereo was a separate single take in real 
>=3B t=
ime........they both laid really nicely against
>=3B each other though=
 are not at all synced.
>=3B 
>=3B I also used a new fun iPhone v=
ideo effects app (I forget which it's 
>=3B called) and shot the video=
 which
>=3B consists of one single take of me shooting the blinds in m=
y bathroom at 
>=3B dawn.
>=3B 
>=3B Neither improv nor the =
video improv was designed for each other.  I just 
>=3B put them toget=
her and they sounded
>=3B interesting and I resisted to urge to edit a=
nything.
>=3B 
>=3B The piece is called   "Beautiful Christine on=
 the Occasion of her 
>=3B Birthday"  and is dedicated to my lovely wi=
fe.
>=3B 
>=3B Rick Walker
>=3B 
 		 	   		  =


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ThumbJam (will create loops; synth =97 includes formidable scale collection=
)
MorphWiz (synth)
SampleWiz (synth and sampler)
iVoxel (vocoder)
Bowls HD (yep, Tibetan singing bowls)
Sound Epic (time stretching ala Paulstretch)
NLog Pro (synth & arp)
Trope (generative synth)
Addicitive Synth (synth & arp, highly configurable)
And yes, Garage Band (tho' limited compared to the "full" non-iOS version)

~~D.

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/



On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Rick Walker  wrote:
> While we're at it: Here's a list of cool music apps that I've researched =
for
> the iTouch/iPhone/iPad All of these can augment a live looping show so th=
e
> same caveat applies as the Video/Camera post I just made:
>
> GENERAL MUSIC APPS and BEATMAKERS
> BoomClap
> BeatMaker
> Voice Lab
> MixtikL
> FL Studio (Fruity Loops)
>
> LOOPING APPS:
> Loopy
> Voice Jam
> ImproVox
>
> SYNTHS:
> AFX
> Filtatron (MOOG)
> Aura
> DroneStation
> Aetherphone
> AeolianHarp
>
> NOISE:
> Bubble Harp
> Grid
> Noise Machine
> Bloom
> Sprak (!)
>
> ETHNIC INSTRUMENTS:
> Slit Drum
> Pan Drum Full
> Tongue Drum
> Hang Drum
> Bowls
> iTanpura Lite
> Tanpura Touch
> Ocarina
> iGayageum
> Gayageum
>
> OSC commands (to be used with Hans Lindauer's MISSING LINK
> OSC to MIDI converter:
> TouchOSC
>
> SONG RECOGNITION APPS:
> Shazam
> SoundHound
>
> Enjoy! =A0 =A0Rick Walker
>
>

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Control also works for sending OSC to the Missing Link (or elsewhere).

I'll have some example layouts for that soon, there's a lot of potential for=
 building new and interesting controllers with this app.

-Hans

On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Rick Walker  wrote:

> While we're at it: Here's a list of cool music apps that I've researched f=
or the iTouch/iPhone/iPad All of these can augment a live looping show so th=
e same caveat applies as the Video/Camera post I just made:
>=20
> GENERAL MUSIC APPS and BEATMAKERS
> BoomClap
> BeatMaker
> Voice Lab
> MixtikL
> FL Studio (Fruity Loops)
>=20
> LOOPING APPS:
> Loopy
> Voice Jam
> ImproVox
>=20
> SYNTHS:
> AFX
> Filtatron (MOOG)
> Aura
> DroneStation
> Aetherphone
> AeolianHarp
>=20
> NOISE:
> Bubble Harp
> Grid
> Noise Machine
> Bloom
> Sprak (!)
>=20
> ETHNIC INSTRUMENTS:
> Slit Drum
> Pan Drum Full
> Tongue Drum
> Hang Drum
> Bowls
> iTanpura Lite
> Tanpura Touch
> Ocarina
> iGayageum
> Gayageum
>=20
> OSC commands (to be used with Hans Lindauer's MISSING LINK
> OSC to MIDI converter:
> TouchOSC
>=20
> SONG RECOGNITION APPS:
> Shazam
> SoundHound
>=20
> Enjoy!    Rick Walker
>=20

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Yep, especially loopers on the internet:

Blather, Wince, repeat....

CZ


At 18:37 +0200 7/8/11, Per Boysen wrote:
>On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Jeff Larson  wrote:
>>
>>  I'm not sure what the deal is, but I've been seeing a post of mine 
>>from July 27th repeated at least twice, most recently yesterday 
>>(that long one about questions for loopers).  Apologies for the 
>>bandwidth, I think the hosting
>>  company I use is having some spasms.
>>
>>  Jeff
>
>
>Seen that post too, but found it quite normal.
>Repeating is what we loopers do.
>Calm down. Loop on. Repeat.
>
>Per


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The SoftStep has some compelling new banner ads!  I found this on the LD 
mailing list archive pages:

   http://www.circularlabs.com/hotstep.gif

This confirms my belief that the best looping shoes for the SoftStep
are stiletto heels.  And in case you were wondering about portability,
your back pocket will do fine and it looks great too!

Jeff

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What the hell is wrong with her foot though?  It doesn't look at all well.



Kevin

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>
> The SoftStep has some compelling new banner ads! =A0I found this on the L=
D
> mailing list archive pages:
>
> =A0 http://www.circularlabs.com/hotstep.gif
>
> This confirms my belief that the best looping shoes for the SoftStep
> are stiletto heels. =A0And in case you were wondering about portability,
> your back pocket will do fine and it looks great too!
>
> Jeff
>
>



--=20
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos

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I've been trying to find the torn videos online for a long time, but I just
want a digital copy. I don't need any more VHS tapes cluttering up my life
anymore. I used to have the torn videos but know not what happened with
them.

J

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Patrick Bishop  wrote:

> I have the Torn and Belew tapes. Great struff!! VHS Rules!!
>
>  [image: 8-)]PJ
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tEd =AE KiLLiAn 
> To: Loopers-Delight 
> Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:22 pm
> Subject: OLD TORN, BELEW AND KEAGGY VHS TAPES
>
>  Hi there!
>
> I am clearing out some clutter and wondering if anyone would find
> these amusing enough to purchase.
>
> I've a bunch of old VHS tapes and among them are:
>
> "Adrian Belew, Electronic Guitar" VHS (1984)
>
> "David Torn, Painting with  Guitar, Vols 1 & 2" VHS (1993)
>
> "Phil Keaggy Electric Guitar Style" VHS (1988)
>
> All 3 are looping-related, even the Keaggy one (though it is pre-
> JamMan).
>
> Any reasonable offer stands a good chance of getting them - but post
> me about it off list, please.
>
> I am the original purchaser on all of them, so they have been on the
> shelf in my living room for years, and years simply collecting dust.
>
> Not a lot of point hanging on to them for me, but if they appeal to
> anyone else here let me know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted Killian
>
>
>

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I've been trying to find the torn videos online for a long time, but I =
just want a digital copy. I don't need any more VHS tapes cluttering up=
 my life anymore. I used to have the torn videos but know not what happened=
 with them.


J

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011=
 at 5:47 AM, Patrick Bishop <pjbmhb@aol.com> wrote:

I have the Torn and Belew tapes. Great struff!!=
 VHS Rules!!







3D"8-)"PJ=A0















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Hi there!

I am clearing out some clutter and wondering if anyone would find =20
these amusing enough to purchase.

I've a bunch of old VHS tapes and among them are:

"Adrian Belew, Electronic Guitar" VHS (1984)

"David Torn, Painting with  Guitar, Vols 1 & 2" VHS (1993)

"Phil Keaggy Electric Guitar Style" VHS (1988)

All 3 are looping-related, even the Keaggy one (though it is pre-=20
JamMan).

Any reasonable offer stands a good chance of getting them - but post =20
me about it off list, please.

I am the original purchaser on all of them, so they have been on the =20
shelf in my living room for years, and years simply collecting dust.

Not a lot of point hanging on to them for me, but if they appeal to =20
anyone else here let me know.

Cheers,

Ted Killian





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I don't know if it's available on DVD anywhere.

If all you want is digital, I assume it's up on YouTube in short bits =20=

and pieces.

But half of the cool thing bout watching these guys is the nice sounds =20=

they are getting - which kinda gets squashed online.

Good luck to you.

On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Jeffrey Collins wrote:

> I've been trying to find the torn videos online for a long time, but =20=

> I just want a digital copy. I don't need any more VHS tapes =20
> cluttering up my life anymore. I used to have the torn videos but =20
> know not what happened with them.
>
> J
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Patrick Bishop  wrote:
> I have the Torn and Belew tapes. Great struff!! VHS Rules!!
>
> PJ
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tEd =AE KiLLiAn 
> To: Loopers-Delight 
> Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:22 pm
> Subject: OLD TORN, BELEW AND KEAGGY VHS TAPES
>
> Hi there!
>
> I am clearing out some clutter and wondering if anyone would find
> these amusing enough to purchase.
>
> I've a bunch of old VHS tapes and among them are:
>
> "Adrian Belew, Electronic Guitar" VHS (1984)
>
> "David Torn, Painting with  Guitar, Vols 1 & 2" VHS (1993)
>
> "Phil Keaggy Electric Guitar Style" VHS (1988)
>
> All 3 are looping-related, even the Keaggy one (though it is pre-
> JamMan).
>
> Any reasonable offer stands a good chance of getting them - but post
> me about it off list, please.
>
> I am the original purchaser on all of them, so they have been on the
> shelf in my living room for years, and years simply collecting dust.
>
> Not a lot of point hanging on to them for me, but if they appeal to
> anyone else here let me know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted Killian
>
>

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Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product advice.

Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects =
loop, out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, Repeater), and back to the =
Mk4's stereo returns, summed to stereo via (at the moment) a little =
Mackie 1202 mixer.

For now, I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus =
dry signal direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box =
setup... but it's noisy and a little bejankety :)

I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about =
splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple =
inputs....

I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from Radial: =
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Phil :)=

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Phil :)=

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This is very sad news!  It has personally hit me like a ton of  
bricks. I have been a major admirer of his works and for over 30  
years now.
Another beautiful LIGHT has gone out in our often insane world. Con's  
gifts helped many of us to cope with our world. He will be sorely
missed, but his gifts and CONtributions will live on forever. Also,  
be sure to read what he was doing in preparation for his departure.
Pretty incredible and impressive. Just more evidence of what a  
genius, and also what a wonderful person he was. I'll miss him forever.

Conrad Schnitzler  RIP

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/ 
german_experimental_music_pioneer_conrad_schnitzler_has_died/

Time to play ALL of his material back to back for as long as it takes...

Stay well,
Rev. Fever
Portland,OR
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever

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Wow Rev I just followed the link to learn who he was and though I didn't
think I knew I knew on a level as I knew and listened to Tangerine Dream
many years ago.  That's wonderful, sad, amazing that he knew his time was
near and worked to the end, also pretty wild over sending his hair samples
to many for a memory.  Thanks for sharing this and yes very sad a 'light'
has gone out.  Listening to Magic Party now, the first video, that's
wonderful.

Jim

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Revfever  wrote:

> This is very sad news!  It has personally hit me like a ton of bricks. I
> have been a major admirer of his works and for over 30 years now.
> Another beautiful LIGHT has gone out in our often insane world. Con's gif=
ts
> helped many of us to cope with our world. He will be sorely
> missed, but his gifts and CONtributions will live on forever. Also, be su=
re
> to read what he was doing in preparation for his departure.
> Pretty incredible and impressive. Just more evidence of what a genius, an=
d
> also what a wonderful person he was. I'll miss him forever.
>
> Conrad Schnitzler  RIP
>
> http://www.dangerousminds.net/**comments/german_experimental_**
> music_pioneer_conrad_**schnitzler_has_died/
>
> Time to play ALL of his material back to back for as long as it takes...
>
> Stay well,
> Rev. Fever
> Portland,OR
> http://www.spiritone.com/~**rvfever 
>
>


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Wow Rev I just followed the link to learn who he was and though I didn'=
t think I knew I knew on a level as I knew and listened to Tangerine Dream =
many years ago. =A0That's wonderful, sad, amazing that he knew his time=
 was near and worked to the end, also pretty wild over sending his hair sam=
ples to many for a memory. =A0Thanks for sharing this and yes very sad a &#=
39;light' has gone out. =A0Listening to Magic Party now, the first vide=
o, that's wonderful.


Jim

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at=
 10:20 PM, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:

This is very sad news! =A0It has personally hit me like a ton of bricks. I =
have been a major admirer of his works and for over 30 years now.

Another beautiful LIGHT has gone out in our often insane world. Con's g=
ifts helped many of us to cope with our world. He will be sorely

missed, but his gifts and CONtributions will live on forever. Also, be sure=
 to read what he was doing in preparation for his departure.

Pretty incredible and impressive. Just more evidence of what a genius, and =
also what a wonderful person he was. I'll miss him forever.



Conrad Schnitzler =A0RIP



http://www.dangerou=
sminds.net/comments/german_experimental_music_pioneer_conrad_=
schnitzler_has_died/




Time to play ALL of his material back to back for as long as it takes...


Stay well,

Rev. Fever

Portland,OR

http://www.=
spiritone.com/~rvfever







-- 
From Brooklyn To Gli=
ndran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6r=
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=A0 j=
imgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.


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Love the low end percussive synth on the Magic Party video, that's an
amazing piece.  Here's the link to the actual video from Rev's referenced
obit page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e1jboetIMs&feature=player_embedded


On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

>
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mazing piece. =A0Here's the link to the actual video from Rev's ref=
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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Ji=
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I've been using a Behringer Ultralink MX882 for the last 5 years, and it isn't bad.I use it as effect loops, take the stereo line send of one of the effect loops on the Pod X3 Pro and split it between an Echoplex and a Repeater, then back in the Behringer, then from the stereo output of the splitter/mixer I go in an old Korg A1 and back in the effect return of the Pod X3 Pro. Very little noise (the unit is all balanced) and pretty easy to setup. If you need to use it with a pedalboard, then you might try something else (I've tried the Carl Martin Octaswitch, and I love it, probably I'll take it to control the various pedals I have in the studio).
Luigi

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Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product advice.

Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects loop, out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, Repeater), and back to the Mk4's stereo returns, summed to stereo via (at the moment) a little Mackie 1202 mixer.

For now, I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus dry signal direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box setup... but it's noisy and a little bejankety :)

I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple inputs....

I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from Radial: http://www.radialeng.com/di-jd7.htm

Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper alternatives anyone might recommend?

Phil :)




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I've been using a Behringer Ultralink MX882 for the last 5 years, and it is=
n't bad.I use it as effect loops, take the stereo line send of one of the e=
ffect loops on the Pod X3 Pro and split it between an Echoplex and a Repeat=
er, then back in the Behringer, then from the stereo output of the splitter=
/mixer I go in an old Korg A1 and back in the effect return of the Pod X3 P=
ro. Very little noise (the unit is all balanced) and pretty easy to setup. =
If you need to use it with a pedalboard, then you might try something else =
(I've tried the Carl Martin Octaswitch, and I love it, probably I'll take i=
t to control the various pedals I have in the studio).
<=
br>
Luigi



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Data: 08/08/2011 3.50

A: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>

Ogg: Splitting Signal




(sorry if duplicate post, mail gremlins here...)

=

Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product advice.

Currently I'm =
taking mono send from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects loop, out to multipl=
e loopers (EDP, LP1, Repeater), and back to the Mk4's stereo returns, summe=
d to stereo via (at the moment) a little Mackie 1202 mixer.

For now,=
 I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus dry signal d=
irect into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box setup... but it's =
noisy and a little bejankety :)

I've seen a lot of talk here about m=
ixers, but not so much about splitters: how to take one mono send and feed =
that to multiple inputs....

I am looking hard at this (costly) unit =
from Radial: http://www.radialeng.com/di-jd7.ht=
m

Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper alternatives=
 anyone might recommend?

Phil :)





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Phil Clevenger wrote:

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> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about 
> splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple inputs....
> 

Use a splitter cable.


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On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:29 AM, andy butler wrote:

> Phil Clevenger wrote:
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>> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about =
splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple =
inputs....
>=20
> Use a splitter cable.
>=20
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Looking closer at the JD-7 it looks to me like a line level signal from =
my FX send might not be what that unit is optimized for...=20

Looking now at the Rane 26s... (http://www.rane.com/sm26s.html) totally =
not a sexy piece of gear but it looks like it will do what I want, and =
hopefully maintain tone / gain... and vastly cheaper... =20

Phil


> (sorry if duplicate post, mail gremlins here...)
>=20
> Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product advice.
>=20
> Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects =
loop, out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, Repeater), and back to the =
Mk4's stereo returns, summed to stereo via (at the moment) a little =
Mackie 1202 mixer.
>=20
> For now, I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus =
dry signal direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box =
setup... but it's noisy and a little bejankety :)
>=20
> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about =
splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple =
inputs....
>=20
> I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from Radial: =
http://www.radialeng.com/di-jd7.htm
>=20
> Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper alternatives anyone =
might recommend?
>=20
> Phil :)


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Looking closer at the JD-7 it looks to me =
like a line level signal from my FX send might not be what that unit is =
optimized for... 

Looking now at the Rane 26s... (http://www.rane.com/sm26s.html=
) totally not a sexy piece of gear but it looks like it will do what I =
want, and hopefully maintain tone / gain... and vastly cheaper... =
 

Phil


(sorry if duplicate post, mail gremlins =
here...)

Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product =
advice.

Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa =
Boogie Mark IV's effects loop, out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, =
Repeater), and back to the Mk4's stereo returns, summed to stereo via =
(at the moment) a little Mackie 1202 mixer.

For =
now, I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus dry =
signal direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box =
setup... but it's noisy and a little bejankety :)

I've =
seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about splitters: =
how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple =
inputs....

I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from =
Radial: http://www.radialeng.com/di-j=
d7.htm

Anyone have experience with it? Are there =
cheaper alternatives anyone might recommend?


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I used a simple passive headphone splitter for years. Worked perfectly. Cost=
 me 40 quid

Sim

Sent from my iPod

On 8 Aug 2011, at 02:50, Phil Clevenger  wrote:

> (sorry if duplicate post, mail gremlins here...)
>=20
> Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product advice.
>=20
> Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects loop,=
 out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, Repeater), and back to the Mk4's stereo r=
eturns, summed to stereo via (at the moment) a little Mackie 1202 mixer.
>=20
> For now, I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus dry=
 signal direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box setup... b=
ut it's noisy and a little bejankety :)
>=20
> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about splitters=
: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple inputs....
>=20
> I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from Radial: http://www.radialeng.=
com/di-jd7.htm
>=20
> Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper alternatives anyone migh=
t recommend?
>=20
> Phil :)

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I used a simple passive headphone split=
ter for years. Worked perfectly. Cost me 40 quid

Si=
m

Sent from my iPod

On 8 Aug 2011, at 02:50, Phil Cleve=
nger <phil.clevenger@gmail.co=
m> wrote:

(sorry if duplicate post, mail gremlins here...)

Hey Lo=
opfolk, seeking some product advice.

Currently I'm taking mono s=
end from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects loop, out to multiple loopers (EDP=
, LP1, Repeater), and back to the Mk4's stereo returns, summed to stereo via=
 (at the moment) a little Mackie 1202 mixer.

For now, I'm splitting t=
hat mono send into multiple looper inputs plus dry signal direct into mackie=
 via a less than optimal Morley ABC box setup... but it's noisy and a little=
 bejankety :)

I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so m=
uch about splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple inp=
uts....

I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from Radial: http://www.radialeng.com/di-jd7.htm

Anyone ha=
ve experience with it? Are there cheaper alternatives anyone might recommend=
?

Phil :)
=

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for info, it was the mtr ps-4

http://www.mtraudio.com/mtrcatalogue.htm#Splitters

i used it in the back of my rack to split the signal from my triaxis
to my repeater, lp-1, kaoss pad and tc d2

worked like a charm, with no signal degradation or interference

i then used a behringer mixer to blend everything back together

sim


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 wrote:
> I used a simple passive headphone splitter for years. Worked perfectly. C=
ost
> me 40 quid
> Sim
>
> Sent from my iPod
> On 8 Aug 2011, at 02:50, Phil Clevenger  wrote:
>
> (sorry if duplicate post, mail gremlins here...)
> Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product advice.
>
> Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects loop=
,
> out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, Repeater), and back to the Mk4's stere=
o
> returns, summed to stereo via (at the moment) a little Mackie 1202 mixer.
>
> For now, I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus dr=
y
> signal direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box setup...
> but it's noisy and a little bejankety :)
>
> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about splitter=
s:
> how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple inputs....
>
> I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from
> Radial:=A0http://www.radialeng.com/di-jd7.htm
>
> Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper alternatives anyone mig=
ht
> recommend?
>
> Phil :)

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Andy,

Reading thru some of your older posts on the subject, i see you have =
advocated for simple splitter cables before :)

"You can always use a Y cable to split an output to multiple inputs,
but you can't generally use a Y cable to mix into one input.
(of course, the output has to be buffered, which it will be on a mixer)"
(2009)
I had previously been routing line-level signal through the Mackie, then =
out via various means (an aux send here, alt 3/4 there, a half insert =
etc) to the loopers and back into the Mackie for mixing.

It seemed to me that this was not such an elegant solution and I was =
suspicious about all the conversions I assumed was going on :)

SO I thought splitting the signal before the Mackie might be better:  =
going directly into the loopers, then neatly into the proper channels on =
the mixer for mixing. Less conversion must mean better signal fidelity, =
was the thinking...

Hence my search for a splitter. I tried splitter cables, but a Y on a Y =
on a Y to get four lines was comical and sounded bad; used a Whirlwind =
A/B box and that was clean but only two lines; then tried a Morley =
Tripler, which was noisy as can be; tried a Hosa passive 1in to 4out =
box, and that sucked the last drop of tone out of my world; then looked =
at Radial and now, I hope finally, looking at the Rane solution.

In your opinion, should your splitter cable rules, quoted above, apply =
pre-Mackie as well as post?=20

Phil :)



On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

> : /
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:29 AM, andy butler wrote:
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>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>=20
>>> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about =
splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple =
inputs....
>>=20
>> Use a splitter cable.
>>=20
>>=20
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You can always use =
a Y cable to split an output to multiple inputs,
but you =
can't generally use a Y cable to mix into one input.
(of course, the output has to be buffered, which it will be on a =
mixer)"
(2009)
I had previously been routing =
line-level signal through the Mackie, then out via various means (an aux =
send here, alt 3/4 there, a half insert etc) to the loopers and back =
into the Mackie for mixing.

It seemed to me =
that this was not such an elegant solution and I was suspicious about =
all the conversions I assumed was going on =
:)

SO I thought splitting the signal before the =
Mackie might be better:  going directly into the loopers, then =
neatly into the proper channels on the mixer for mixing. Less conversion =
must mean better signal fidelity, was the =
thinking...

Hence my search for a splitter. I =
tried splitter cables, but a Y on a Y on a Y to get four lines was =
comical and sounded bad; used a Whirlwind A/B box and that was clean but =
only two lines; then tried a Morley Tripler, which was noisy as can be; =
tried a Hosa passive 1in to 4out box, and that sucked the last drop of =
tone out of my world; then looked at Radial and now, I hope finally, =
looking at the Rane solution.

In your opinion, =
should your splitter cable rules, quoted above, apply pre-Mackie as well =
as post? 

Phil =
:)



On Aug 8, =
2011, at 1:39 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

: =
/




On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:29 AM, andy butler =
wrote:

Phil Clevenger =
wrote:

I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much =
about splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple =
inputs....

Use a splitter =
cable.




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Wow ! Cool. Will give it a look.

This is all such voodoo...=20

Phil :)

On Aug 8, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Simeon Harris wrote:

> for info, it was the mtr ps-4
>=20
> http://www.mtraudio.com/mtrcatalogue.htm#Splitters
>=20
> i used it in the back of my rack to split the signal from my triaxis
> to my repeater, lp-1, kaoss pad and tc d2
>=20
> worked like a charm, with no signal degradation or interference
>=20
> i then used a behringer mixer to blend everything back together
>=20
> sim
>=20
>=20
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Simeon Harris
>  wrote:
>> I used a simple passive headphone splitter for years. Worked =
perfectly. Cost
>> me 40 quid
>> Sim
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPod
>> On 8 Aug 2011, at 02:50, Phil Clevenger  =
wrote:
>>=20
>> (sorry if duplicate post, mail gremlins here...)
>> Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product advice.
>>=20
>> Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects =
loop,
>> out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, Repeater), and back to the Mk4's =
stereo
>> returns, summed to stereo via (at the moment) a little Mackie 1202 =
mixer.
>>=20
>> For now, I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs =
plus dry
>> signal direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box =
setup...
>> but it's noisy and a little bejankety :)
>>=20
>> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about =
splitters:
>> how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple inputs....
>>=20
>> I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from
>> Radial: http://www.radialeng.com/di-jd7.htm
>>=20
>> Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper alternatives anyone =
might
>> recommend?
>>=20
>> Phil :)
>=20

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Indeed sad news - such a waste! I like his stuff very much, not just
the music but the attitude in his concept. Sadness mixed with many
other feelings since I too had that form of cancer last year but for
by a lucky chance came out more fortunate.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Revfever  wrote:
> This is very sad news! =C2=A0It has personally hit me like a ton of brick=
s. I
> have been a major admirer of his works and for over 30 years now.
> Another beautiful LIGHT has gone out in our often insane world. Con's gif=
ts
> helped many of us to cope with our world. He will be sorely
> missed, but his gifts and CONtributions will live on forever. Also, be su=
re
> to read what he was doing in preparation for his departure.
> Pretty incredible and impressive. Just more evidence of what a genius, an=
d
> also what a wonderful person he was. I'll miss him forever.
>
> Conrad Schnitzler =C2=A0RIP
>
> http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/german_experimental_music_pioneer_=
conrad_schnitzler_has_died/
>
> Time to play ALL of his material back to back for as long as it takes...
>
> Stay well,
> Rev. Fever
> Portland,OR
> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
>
>

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Very nice! Lou Harrison is one of my favorite composers. I've  
transcribed a couple of his pieces for the lute where they CAN be  
played in just intonation as a lute has movable frets.

On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> As I enjoyed David Beardley's video "Microtonal Guitar..." I stumbled
> into this other video that I have seen and liked a lot in the past. It
> is a guy with a guitar that has adjustable frets so he can adjust it
> to any microtonal scale and the point is that he explains about
> microtonal scales in a great way, gives a sort of excellent
> introduction to the field. My own interest in micrtonality emerged out
> of frustration with the guitar and as I picked up wind isntruments on
> the side I noticed that when not held back by the rigid mechanics of
> frets you tend to intonate certain notes in a scale differently - and
> "better" as you do it according to your own taste rather than the
> instrument's limitations. Now, when the guy in this video talks about
> just intonation and pure intervals he is spot on topic from a live
> looping point of view. This is because when we kick in Half Speed,
> Double Speed or any speed or pitch shifting it is a pure a
> mathematical transformation. Looping devices doesn't compensate by
> sometimes delivering a little twisted fifths in order to make thirds
> sound fuller. I remember Henry Kaiser talked about this at YK7, using
> a delay device with squarewave modulated frequency, and now I've heard
> he has gotten a guitar with a True Temperament fretting set up to
> match this. Neat! BTW the global microtonal library in Logic is why I
> like using an EWI with those synths. And there's a lot of fun in
> fiddling with microtonal scales by ear. Metasynth supports it in a
> powerful way, if you are inclined towards electronic composition and
> Alchemy is has a cool live player's interface that include micro
> scales as well as a good arpeggioator.
>
> Anyway, here's the URL to the video:
> http://youtu.be/yhdpsuXtewY
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>


Ed Durbrow
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Very nice! Lou Harrison is one =
of my favorite composers. I've transcribed a couple of his pieces for =
the lute where they CAN be played in just intonation as a lute has =
movable frets.

On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Per Boysen =
wrote:

As I enjoyed David Beardley's video "Microtonal =
Guitar..." I stumbled
into this other video that I have seen and =
liked a lot in the past. It
is a guy with a guitar that has =
adjustable frets so he can adjust it
to any microtonal scale and the =
point is that he explains about
microtonal scales in a great way, =
gives a sort of excellent
introduction to the field. My own interest =
in micrtonality emerged out
of frustration with the guitar and as I =
picked up wind isntruments on
the side I noticed that when not held =
back by the rigid mechanics of
frets you tend to intonate certain =
notes in a scale differently - and
"better" as you do it according to =
your own taste rather than the
instrument's limitations. Now, when =
the guy in this video talks about
just intonation and pure intervals =
he is spot on topic from a live
looping point of view. This is =
because when we kick in Half Speed,
Double Speed or any speed or =
pitch shifting it is a pure a
mathematical transformation. Looping =
devices doesn't compensate by
sometimes delivering a little twisted =
fifths in order to make thirds
sound fuller. I remember Henry Kaiser =
talked about this at YK7, using
a delay device with squarewave =
modulated frequency, and now I've heard
he has gotten a guitar with a =
True Temperament fretting set up to
match this. Neat! BTW the global =
microtonal library in Logic is why I
like using an EWI with those =
synths. And there's a lot of fun in
fiddling with microtonal scales =
by ear. Metasynth supports it in a
powerful way, if you are inclined =
towards electronic composition and
Alchemy is has a cool live =
player's interface that include micro
scales as well as a good =
arpeggioator.

Anyway, here's the URL to the video:
http://youtu.be/yhdpsuXtewY
Greetings from Sweden

Per =
Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com =
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Per so glad your bout with the cancer stabized. Am sure that is a
sobering experience to go through, thankful you are ok.

Jim

On 8/8/11, Per Boysen  wrote:
> Indeed sad news - such a waste! I like his stuff very much, not just
> the music but the attitude in his concept. Sadness mixed with many
> other feelings since I too had that form of cancer last year but for
> by a lucky chance came out more fortunate.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Revfever  wrote:
>> This is very sad news! =A0It has personally hit me like a ton of bricks.=
 I
>> have been a major admirer of his works and for over 30 years now.
>> Another beautiful LIGHT has gone out in our often insane world. Con's
>> gifts
>> helped many of us to cope with our world. He will be sorely
>> missed, but his gifts and CONtributions will live on forever. Also, be
>> sure
>> to read what he was doing in preparation for his departure.
>> Pretty incredible and impressive. Just more evidence of what a genius, a=
nd
>> also what a wonderful person he was. I'll miss him forever.
>>
>> Conrad Schnitzler =A0RIP
>>
>> http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/german_experimental_music_pioneer=
_conrad_schnitzler_has_died/
>>
>> Time to play ALL of his material back to back for as long as it takes...
>>
>> Stay well,
>> Rev. Fever
>> Portland,OR
>> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
>>
>>
>
>

--=20
Sent from my mobile device

*From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin =
&
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com

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ello ello kin,

just posted up a new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2L4UHg6Ofk

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ello ello kin, 

just posted up a new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DO2L4UHg6O=
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hope y'all like it! 



love
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hi Phil,
the 'rules' apply to any music gear with active electronics.
1.You can split any Output to a number of Inputs.
2.You can't combine a load of Outputs into a single Input.

There's obviously 2 other rules:
If you follow rule one and it sounds bad, then that's no good.
If you disobey rule 2, but it sounds ok then that's good.

The Send output from your amp *should* be suitable for splitting.
You could always connect the Amp Send directly to the mixer,
then split the signal 3 ways to the loopers on one of the mixer outs.

I have a stereo three way split going from the Lexicon Vortex to
my EDPs an LP1 and a mixer channel. That works fine (except that the LP1 would
prefer a weaker signal than the other stuff, watch out for that).
I use what I call "N cables", like conjoined  Y cables really.
I make them out of regular decent quality microphone cable, and
cheap metal jacks, both of which I buy in bulk.

So you'd want a 'W cable', giving you 5 jack plugs in a nest,
with any one of them being used for the source signal.


As long as the devices involved have regular good quality
circuitry for their ins and outs then all your doing is mimicking
what goes on in a mixer when you use that to split a signal.




andy 



Phil Clevenger wrote:
> Andy,
> 
> Reading thru some of your older posts on the subject, i see you have 
> advocated for simple splitter cables before :)
> 
> "You can always use a Y cable to split an output to multiple inputs,
> 
> but you can't generally use a Y cable to mix into one input.
> (of course, the output has to be buffered, which it will be on a mixer)"
> 
> (2009)
> 
> I had previously been routing line-level signal through the Mackie, then 
> out via various means (an aux send here, alt 3/4 there, a half insert 
> etc) to the loopers and back into the Mackie for mixing.
> 
> It seemed to me that this was not such an elegant solution and I was 
> suspicious about all the conversions I assumed was going on :)
> 
> SO I thought splitting the signal before the Mackie might be better: 
>  going directly into the loopers, then neatly into the proper channels 
> on the mixer for mixing. Less conversion must mean better signal 
> fidelity, was the thinking...
> 
> Hence my search for a splitter. I tried splitter cables, but a Y on a Y 
> on a Y to get four lines was comical and sounded bad; used a Whirlwind 
> A/B box and that was clean but only two lines; then tried a Morley 
> Tripler, which was noisy as can be; tried a Hosa passive 1in to 4out 
> box, and that sucked the last drop of tone out of my world; then looked 
> at Radial and now, I hope finally, looking at the Rane solution.
> 
> In your opinion, should your splitter cable rules, quoted above, apply 
> pre-Mackie as well as post? 
> 
> Phil :)
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
> 
>> : /
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:29 AM, andy butler wrote:
>>
>>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about 
>>>> splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple 
>>>> inputs....
>>>
>>> Use a splitter cable.
>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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http://www.electrixpro.com/index.html

Why would people put so much effort into resurrecting a company that
has gone under so many times its not funny?  And then create an
entirely different product line with no connection to the past?

Poor Electrix, it deserved a better fate.

Kevin

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I agree, but at the same time, that tweaker looks nice ;)


Charlie

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
wrote:

> http://www.electrixpro.com/index.html
>
> Why would people put so much effort into resurrecting a company that
> has gone under so many times its not funny?  And then create an
> entirely different product line with no connection to the past?
>
> Poor Electrix, it deserved a better fate.
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>
>

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I agree, but at the same time, that tweaker looks nice ;)=A0

=


Charlie

On Mon, Aug 8=
, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:



http://www.electrixpro.com/index.html



Why would people put so much effort into resurrecting a company that

has gone under so many times its not funny? =A0And then create an

entirely different product line with no connection to the past?



Poor Electrix, it deserved a better fate.



Kevin



--

Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a

form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<=
br>


- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)



Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org

Video =
http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos







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Thank you Andy. Much to ponder in there... clearly you have done this =
once or twice before :)

Phil :)


On Aug 8, 2011, at 8:24 AM, andy butler wrote:

> hi Phil,
> the 'rules' apply to any music gear with active electronics.
> 1.You can split any Output to a number of Inputs.
> 2.You can't combine a load of Outputs into a single Input.
>=20
> There's obviously 2 other rules:
> If you follow rule one and it sounds bad, then that's no good.
> If you disobey rule 2, but it sounds ok then that's good.
>=20
> The Send output from your amp *should* be suitable for splitting.
> You could always connect the Amp Send directly to the mixer,
> then split the signal 3 ways to the loopers on one of the mixer outs.
>=20
> I have a stereo three way split going from the Lexicon Vortex to
> my EDPs an LP1 and a mixer channel. That works fine (except that the =
LP1 would
> prefer a weaker signal than the other stuff, watch out for that).
> I use what I call "N cables", like conjoined  Y cables really.
> I make them out of regular decent quality microphone cable, and
> cheap metal jacks, both of which I buy in bulk.
>=20
> So you'd want a 'W cable', giving you 5 jack plugs in a nest,
> with any one of them being used for the source signal.
>=20
>=20
> As long as the devices involved have regular good quality
> circuitry for their ins and outs then all your doing is mimicking
> what goes on in a mixer when you use that to split a signal.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> andy=20
>=20
>=20
> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>> Andy,
>> Reading thru some of your older posts on the subject, i see you have =
advocated for simple splitter cables before :)
>> "You can always use a Y cable to split an output to multiple inputs,
>> but you can't generally use a Y cable to mix into one input.
>> (of course, the output has to be buffered, which it will be on a =
mixer)"
>> (2009)
>> I had previously been routing line-level signal through the Mackie, =
then out via various means (an aux send here, alt 3/4 there, a half =
insert etc) to the loopers and back into the Mackie for mixing.
>> It seemed to me that this was not such an elegant solution and I was =
suspicious about all the conversions I assumed was going on :)
>> SO I thought splitting the signal before the Mackie might be better:  =
going directly into the loopers, then neatly into the proper channels on =
the mixer for mixing. Less conversion must mean better signal fidelity, =
was the thinking...
>> Hence my search for a splitter. I tried splitter cables, but a Y on a =
Y on a Y to get four lines was comical and sounded bad; used a Whirlwind =
A/B box and that was clean but only two lines; then tried a Morley =
Tripler, which was noisy as can be; tried a Hosa passive 1in to 4out =
box, and that sucked the last drop of tone out of my world; then looked =
at Radial and now, I hope finally, looking at the Rane solution.
>> In your opinion, should your splitter cable rules, quoted above, =
apply pre-Mackie as well as post? Phil :)
>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>> : /
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:29 AM, andy butler wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about =
splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple =
inputs....
>>>>=20
>>>> Use a splitter cable.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>=20

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  The rane SM-26 is a well made item, I used one for years. last year   
I bought a custom made splitter box from  Loopmaster, an on-line site  
that does many different kinds of custom loop selectors and routing  
boxes. mine is a simple one in two out tiny box, but well made with  
good components, and does not add noise or coloration that I can  
hear.  but you could have any configuration made that you want. The  
radial JD-7 is incredible and incredibly pricey too, perhaps overkill  
for what you need.
  Bill

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Radio Design Labs ( http://www.rdlnet.com/ ) has a series of incredibly =
small yet high quality (low noise to signal ratio, etc) units for very =
specific utilities, such as splitting and switching and converting from =
Hi to Low impedance, etc, etc.=20

I think they were called the "stick on series." But I'm not sure what =
they have now, it was years ago, but worth checking into for anyone =
trying to keep a small footprint (which most loopers do because we tend =
to do a lot.)=20

The units themselves are about the size of two matchbooks and you wire =
them in yourself. The power supply is bigger so if you find yourself =
getting a few, get the power supply that powers a few too.=20

Creating a signal flow design with these things back when I put 5 =
instruments and vocals  (with 2 sets of affects)  into 3 echoplexes was =
super fun and worked well.=20

I may still have some to sell if you get interested. Not sure which =
ones, but I'm quite sure I have a splitter or two left.

---Christopher





On Aug 7, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

> (sorry if duplicate post, mail gremlins here...)
>=20
> Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product advice.
>=20
> Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects =
loop, out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, Repeater), and back to the =
Mk4's stereo returns, summed to stereo via (at the moment) a little =
Mackie 1202 mixer.
>=20
> For now, I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus =
dry signal direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box =
setup... but it's noisy and a little bejankety :)
>=20
> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about =
splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple =
inputs....
>=20
> I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from Radial: =
http://www.radialeng.com/di-jd7.htm
>=20
> Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper alternatives anyone =
might recommend?
>=20
> Phil :)


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http://www.rdlnet.com/ ) has a =
series of incredibly small yet high quality (low noise to signal ratio, =
etc) units for very specific utilities, such as splitting and switching =
and converting from Hi to Low impedance, etc, =
etc. 

I think they were called the "stick =
on series." But I'm not sure what they have now, it was years ago, but =
worth checking into for anyone trying to keep a small footprint (which =
most loopers do because we tend to do a =
lot.) 

The units themselves are about the =
size of two matchbooks and you wire them in yourself. The power supply =
is bigger so if you find yourself getting a few, get the power supply =
that powers a few too. 

Creating a signal =
flow design with these things back when I put 5 instruments and =
vocals  (with 2 sets of affects)  into 3 echoplexes =
was super fun and worked well. 

I may =
still have some to sell if you get interested. Not sure which ones, but =
I'm quite sure I have a splitter or two =
left.

---Christopher




On Aug 7, 2011, at =
6:50 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

(sorry if duplicate post, =
mail gremlins here...)

Hey Loopfolk, seeking some =
product advice.

Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa =
Boogie Mark IV's effects loop, out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, =
Repeater), and back to the Mk4's stereo returns, summed to stereo via =
(at the moment) a little Mackie 1202 mixer.

For now, I'm =
splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus dry signal =
direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box setup... but =
it's noisy and a little bejankety :)

I've seen a lot of talk here =
about mixers, but not so much about splitters: how to take one mono send =
and feed that to multiple inputs....

I am looking hard at this =
(costly) unit from Radial: http://www.radialeng.com/di-j=
d7.htm

Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper =
alternatives anyone might recommend?

Phil =
:)

=

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Christopher,

Wow. Functional or not, those are just about the cutest things I've ever =
seen!  I want to collect the whole set :)

In any case I have, with everyone's help, finally settled on a splitting =
solution. Just picked up the Rane SM26b on eBay for a song (the only =
upgrade the SM26s contains is a different power cable thingie). This =
unit does *precisely* what I need and will play nice with the rest of my =
gear.

Phil :)

On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote:

>=20
> Radio Design Labs ( http://www.rdlnet.com/ ) has a series of =
incredibly small yet high quality (low noise to signal ratio, etc) units =
for very specific utilities, such as splitting and switching and =
converting from Hi to Low impedance, etc, etc.=20
>=20
> I think they were called the "stick on series." But I'm not sure what =
they have now, it was years ago, but worth checking into for anyone =
trying to keep a small footprint (which most loopers do because we tend =
to do a lot.)=20
>=20
> The units themselves are about the size of two matchbooks and you wire =
them in yourself. The power supply is bigger so if you find yourself =
getting a few, get the power supply that powers a few too.=20
>=20
> Creating a signal flow design with these things back when I put 5 =
instruments and vocals  (with 2 sets of affects)  into 3 echoplexes was =
super fun and worked well.=20
>=20
> I may still have some to sell if you get interested. Not sure which =
ones, but I'm quite sure I have a splitter or two left.
>=20
> ---Christopher
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Aug 7, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>=20
>> (sorry if duplicate post, mail gremlins here...)
>>=20
>> Hey Loopfolk, seeking some product advice.
>>=20
>> Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa Boogie Mark IV's effects =
loop, out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, Repeater), and back to the =
Mk4's stereo returns, summed to stereo via (at the moment) a little =
Mackie 1202 mixer.
>>=20
>> For now, I'm splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs =
plus dry signal direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC =
box setup... but it's noisy and a little bejankety :)
>>=20
>> I've seen a lot of talk here about mixers, but not so much about =
splitters: how to take one mono send and feed that to multiple =
inputs....
>>=20
>> I am looking hard at this (costly) unit from Radial: =
http://www.radialeng.com/di-jd7.htm
>>=20
>> Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper alternatives anyone =
might recommend?
>>=20
>> Phil :)
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Radio =
Design Labs ( http://www.rdlnet.com/ ) has a =
series of incredibly small yet high quality (low noise to signal ratio, =
etc) units for very specific utilities, such as splitting and switching =
and converting from Hi to Low impedance, etc, =
etc. 

I think they were called the "stick =
on series." But I'm not sure what they have now, it was years ago, but =
worth checking into for anyone trying to keep a small footprint (which =
most loopers do because we tend to do a =
lot.) 

The units themselves are about the =
size of two matchbooks and you wire them in yourself. The power supply =
is bigger so if you find yourself getting a few, get the power supply =
that powers a few too. 

Creating a signal =
flow design with these things back when I put 5 instruments and =
vocals  (with 2 sets of affects)  into 3 echoplexes =
was super fun and worked well. 

I may =
still have some to sell if you get interested. Not sure which ones, but =
I'm quite sure I have a splitter or two =
left.

---Christopher




On Aug 7, 2011, at =
6:50 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

(sorry if duplicate post, =
mail gremlins here...)

Hey Loopfolk, seeking some =
product advice.

Currently I'm taking mono send from my Mesa =
Boogie Mark IV's effects loop, out to multiple loopers (EDP, LP1, =
Repeater), and back to the Mk4's stereo returns, summed to stereo via =
(at the moment) a little Mackie 1202 mixer.

For now, I'm =
splitting that mono send into multiple looper inputs plus dry signal =
direct into mackie via a less than optimal Morley ABC box setup... but =
it's noisy and a little bejankety :)

I've seen a lot of talk here =
about mixers, but not so much about splitters: how to take one mono send =
and feed that to multiple inputs....

I am looking hard at this =
(costly) unit from Radial: http://www.radialeng.com/di-j=
d7.htm

Anyone have experience with it? Are there cheaper =
alternatives anyone might recommend?

Phil =
:)


=

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Thanks for hinting. That was a nice clip! Those instruments sound
great together at sparse playing in such a floating sound space.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:43 AM, nat grant  wrote:
> ... some of you would have met my talented friend chris rainier at y2kx last
> year - an incredible musician and instrument builder too. we did some
> performances last year with looped lapsteel, vibes, and a portable version
> of a 22 note per octave harry partch style metallophone that chris built -
> basically turning the vibes into a microtonal instrument ...
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awc2z4m2Bu0
>
>
>
> --------------------
> Nat Grant - M.Mus (Perf)
> (percussion)
> http://www.myspace.com/natskyplaysdrums
> http://www.youtube.com/natskyplaysdrums
> http://www.soundcloud.com/natskyplaysdrums
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>
>
>
>

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looking for a something like a chorus VST that wouldn't just do the standard
regular chorus effect but something more irregular and organic. Imagine you
sit on top of the hill and the wind carries the sound of a far away church
bell to you, it moves in irregular ways. Or the sound of a plane passing
overhead, if you listen to it it keeps moving and changing all the time. 

On a related note, I was looking for a delay that could do the bouncing ball
effect. Smartelectronix has made the "bouncy" delay that seems to do this
but for some reason it doesn't get recognized in my Bidule. Any ideas?

-Michael Peters

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On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Michael Peters  wrote:
> looking for a something like a chorus VST that wouldn't just do the standard
> regular chorus effect but something more irregular and organic. Imagine you
> sit on top of the hill and the wind carries the sound of a far away church
> bell to you, it moves in irregular ways. Or the sound of a plane passing
> overhead, if you listen to it it keeps moving and changing all the time.

That's a lovely sound I know from the real world but not yet (any
simple solution) from the plugin world :-)  It is rather a Phaser then
a Chorus effect. I think a problem with phaser effects in the plugin
form is that they dilute the attack and closeness in the sound, so I
like to apply phaser to a parallel channel and later on sum this with
the original audio. Then one can also apply reverb to the phased
signal path and get more of that "sitting-on-a-hill" vibe to it.

One has to remember that in these sound treatments the experienced
direction of moving sound or where sound appear to emanate from is
important. And this is a combination of phasing and placement of the
sound source.

A great multi plugin is PSP's N20. It contains lots of effect modules,
signal path mixing options and assignable modulation options. Of
course you can build a complex effect processing environment in Bidule
and save it as a Group, but I kind of like to have it all inside a
virtual box so I can use my saved presets with many different
platforms. The latest build of N20 suddenly became very CPU efficient
with my 2 core i7 mac, but a couple of years ago when the plugin was
new and I bought it I wasn't able to use it live (but now I have a
handful N2Os in my live patch).

> On a related note, I was looking for a delay that could do the bouncing ball
> effect. Smartelectronix has made the "bouncy" delay that seems to do this
> but for some reason it doesn't get recognized in my Bidule. Any ideas?

You already have this amazing Bidule object called MIDI Paricle
Arpegiator (found under MIDI). Graphically it looks like a ball in
space spitting out smaller balls. In the spitting process you can
adjust parameters "Number of Particles", "Flow" and "Gravity - so this
calls for both control and some decent randomization. Well, my point
is that you can experiment with using those spitted out balls to
control "bouncing of sound" (in essence a delay's parameters "delay
time", "feedback", "pre delay", "pitch/speed"). Just a wild idea, I
have not tested it (since I'm not at a place where time stands still)
but it's one of those things you walk around with in the back of your
mind... for those upcoming rainy days.

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I dont do software but the brilliant hardware solution i have just been wor=
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tions if set low in the mix.

i was looking for the boards of canada type sound...think my results are pr=
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> Date: Tue=2C 9 Aug 2011 15:32:42 +0200
> Subject: Re: OT a chorus question
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> On Tue=2C Aug 9=2C 2011 at 3:04 PM=2C Michael Peters  wrot=
e:
> > looking for a something like a chorus VST that wouldn't just do the sta=
ndard
> > regular chorus effect but something more irregular and organic. Imagine=
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rch
> > bell to you=2C it moves in irregular ways. Or the sound of a plane pass=
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> > overhead=2C if you listen to it it keeps moving and changing all the ti=
me.
>=20
> That's a lovely sound I know from the real world but not yet (any
> simple solution) from the plugin world :-)  It is rather a Phaser then
> a Chorus effect. I think a problem with phaser effects in the plugin
> form is that they dilute the attack and closeness in the sound=2C so I
> like to apply phaser to a parallel channel and later on sum this with
> the original audio. Then one can also apply reverb to the phased
> signal path and get more of that "sitting-on-a-hill" vibe to it.
>=20
> One has to remember that in these sound treatments the experienced
> direction of moving sound or where sound appear to emanate from is
> important. And this is a combination of phasing and placement of the
> sound source.
>=20
> A great multi plugin is PSP's N20. It contains lots of effect modules=2C
> signal path mixing options and assignable modulation options. Of
> course you can build a complex effect processing environment in Bidule
> and save it as a Group=2C but I kind of like to have it all inside a
> virtual box so I can use my saved presets with many different
> platforms. The latest build of N20 suddenly became very CPU efficient
> with my 2 core i7 mac=2C but a couple of years ago when the plugin was
> new and I bought it I wasn't able to use it live (but now I have a
> handful N2Os in my live patch).
>=20
> > On a related note=2C I was looking for a delay that could do the bounci=
ng ball
> > effect. Smartelectronix has made the "bouncy" delay that seems to do th=
is
> > but for some reason it doesn't get recognized in my Bidule. Any ideas?
>=20
> You already have this amazing Bidule object called MIDI Paricle
> Arpegiator (found under MIDI). Graphically it looks like a ball in
> space spitting out smaller balls. In the spitting process you can
> adjust parameters "Number of Particles"=2C "Flow" and "Gravity - so this
> calls for both control and some decent randomization. Well=2C my point
> is that you can experiment with using those spitted out balls to
> control "bouncing of sound" (in essence a delay's parameters "delay
> time"=2C "feedback"=2C "pre delay"=2C "pitch/speed"). Just a wild idea=2C=
 I
> have not tested it (since I'm not at a place where time stands still)
> but it's one of those things you walk around with in the back of your
> mind... for those upcoming rainy days.
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 a ccouple of seconds of scribbling can result in some really varied undula=
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i was looking for the boards of canada =
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I understand exactly what you're describing...   I have several bits 
of hardware that do just that, the best is my original Lexicon 224 
from 1979... it uses subtle random modulation in the reverb 
algorhythms and chorus and creates a haunting  yet organic effect.

Universal Audio have created a plugin replication of it:

Give a listen..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLT9qQlqmp4

(that's actually my guitar part they used at front and end of the video)

-Chuck

>
>  > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:32:42 +0200
>>  Subject: Re: OT a chorus question
>>  From: perboysen@gmail.com
>>  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>>  On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Michael Peters  wrote:
>>  > looking for a something like a chorus VST that wouldn't just do 
>>the standard
>>  > regular chorus effect but something more irregular and organic. 
>>Imagine you
>>  > sit on top of the hill and the wind carries the sound of a far away church
>>  > bell to you, it moves in irregular ways. Or the sound of a plane passing
>>  > overhead, if you listen to it it keeps moving and changing all the time.
>>
>>  That's a lovely sound I know from the real world but not yet (any
>>  simple solution) from the plugin world :-) It is rather a Phaser then
>>  a Chorus effect. I think a problem with phaser effects in the plugin
>>  form is that they dilute the attack and closeness in the sound, so I
>>  like to apply phaser to a parallel channel and later on sum this with
>>  the original audio. Then one can also apply reverb to the phased
>>  signal path and get more of that "sitting-on-a-hill" vibe to it.
>>
>>  One has to remember that in these sound treatments the experienced
>>  direction of moving sound or where sound appear to emanate from is
>>  important. And this is a combination of phasing and placement of the
>>  sound source.
>>
>>  A great multi plugin is PSP's N20. It contains lots of effect modules,
>>  signal path mixing options and assignable modulation options. Of
>>  course you can build a complex effect processing environment in Bidule
>>  and save it as a Group, but I kind of like to have it all inside a
>>  virtual box so I can use my saved presets with many different
>>  platforms. The latest build of N20 suddenly became very CPU efficient
>>  with my 2 core i7 mac, but a couple of years ago when the plugin was
>>  new and I bought it I wasn't able to use it live (but now I have a
>>  handful N2Os in my live patch).
>>
>>  > On a related note, I was looking for a delay that could do the 
>>bouncing ball
>>  > effect. Smartelectronix has made the "bouncy" delay that seems to do this
>>  > but for some reason it doesn't get recognized in my Bidule. Any ideas?
>>
>>  You already have this amazing Bidule object called MIDI Paricle
>>  Arpegiator (found under MIDI). Graphically it looks like a ball in
>>  space spitting out smaller balls. In the spitting process you can
>>  adjust parameters "Number of Particles", "Flow" and "Gravity - so this
>>  calls for both control and some decent randomization. Well, my point
>>  is that you can experiment with using those spitted out balls to
>>  control "bouncing of sound" (in essence a delay's parameters "delay
>>  time", "feedback", "pre delay", "pitch/speed"). Just a wild idea, I
>>  have not tested it (since I'm not at a place where time stands still)
>>  but it's one of those things you walk around with in the back of your
>>  mind... for those upcoming rainy days.
>>
>
>


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What about using two chorus VSTs on the same sound source, set slightly =
out of sync?

From: phillip wilson=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 3:02 PM
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Subject: RE: OT a chorus question

I dont do software but the brilliant hardware solution i have just been =
working with myself is the KP3... you can record a pad motion that is =
not in sync to the BMP of the song, it therefore begins to shift and =
undulate under the main patern, you have to judicious with the amount =
used but i find a ccouple of seconds of scribbling can result in some =
really varied undulations if set low in the mix.

i was looking for the boards of canada type sound...think my results are =
pretty close for digital gear.


> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:32:42 +0200
> Subject: Re: OT a chorus question
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Michael Peters  wrote:
> > looking for a something like a chorus VST that wouldn't just do the =
standard
> > regular chorus effect but something more irregular and organic. =
Imagine you
> > sit on top of the hill and the wind carries the sound of a far away =
church
> > bell to you, it moves in irregular ways. Or the sound of a plane =
passing
> > overhead, if you listen to it it keeps moving and changing all the =
time.
>=20
> That's a lovely sound I know from the real world but not yet (any
> simple solution) from the plugin world :-) It is rather a Phaser then
> a Chorus effect. I think a problem with phaser effects in the plugin
> form is that they dilute the attack and closeness in the sound, so I
> like to apply phaser to a parallel channel and later on sum this with
> the original audio. Then one can also apply reverb to the phased
> signal path and get more of that "sitting-on-a-hill" vibe to it.
>=20
> One has to remember that in these sound treatments the experienced
> direction of moving sound or where sound appear to emanate from is
> important. And this is a combination of phasing and placement of the
> sound source.
>=20
> A great multi plugin is PSP's N20. It contains lots of effect modules,
> signal path mixing options and assignable modulation options. Of
> course you can build a complex effect processing environment in Bidule
> and save it as a Group, but I kind of like to have it all inside a
> virtual box so I can use my saved presets with many different
> platforms. The latest build of N20 suddenly became very CPU efficient
> with my 2 core i7 mac, but a couple of years ago when the plugin was
> new and I bought it I wasn't able to use it live (but now I have a
> handful N2Os in my live patch).
>=20
> > On a related note, I was looking for a delay that could do the =
bouncing ball
> > effect. Smartelectronix has made the "bouncy" delay that seems to do =
this
> > but for some reason it doesn't get recognized in my Bidule. Any =
ideas?
>=20
> You already have this amazing Bidule object called MIDI Paricle
> Arpegiator (found under MIDI). Graphically it looks like a ball in
> space spitting out smaller balls. In the spitting process you can
> adjust parameters "Number of Particles", "Flow" and "Gravity - so this
> calls for both control and some decent randomization. Well, my point
> is that you can experiment with using those spitted out balls to
> control "bouncing of sound" (in essence a delay's parameters "delay
> time", "feedback", "pre delay", "pitch/speed"). Just a wild idea, I
> have not tested it (since I'm not at a place where time stands still)
> but it's one of those things you walk around with in the back of your
> mind... for those upcoming rainy days.
>=20

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I dont do software but the brilliant hardware solution i =
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been working with myself is the KP3... you can record a pad motion that =
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undulate under=20
the main patern, you have to judicious with the amount used but i find a =
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set low=20
in the mix.

i was looking for the boards of canada type =
sound...think my=20
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> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:32:42 +0200
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> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To:=20
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 =
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> That's a lovely sound I know =
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Michael Peters wrote:
 
> On a related note, I was looking for a delay that could do the bouncing ball
> effect. Smartelectronix has made the "bouncy" delay that seems to do this
> but for some reason it doesn't get recognized in my Bidule. Any ideas?

Works in XP.

It's just a 30-tap delay, with a bit of maths on the delay times and amplitudes.
Would be easy to create it in Bidule, although tedious to copy
paste all those stages.

andy

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Hi,
I agree but at least they kept the motto:
"More info and release date coming soon. " 

;-)

Ben


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http://www.electrixpro.com/index.html

Why would people put so much effort into resurrecting a company that
has gone under so many times its not funny?  And then create an
entirely different product line with no connection to the past?

Poor Electrix, it deserved a better fate.

Kevin

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Greets-

For those interested, here is a link for one of the last Conrad  
Schnitzler albums (released June 6th, 2011. Ltd 2-LP, 100 copies  
only, sold out).
This is a great example of his live / all analogue work and is from  
1972.  The link below is also from the record label itself (in Seattle)
so it is authorized for anyone to hear for free. A good introduction  
to Con and his early pioneering days for anyone who has not known of him
or his works, of which there are a LOT! (at least 90 releases if not  
more....?)

Disclaimer Dept:  I am not associated with this great label, but I  
wish I WERE!  :-)  Enjoy....!

http://www.furtherrecords.org/fur-037.html

Cheers,
Rev.Fever
Portland,OR
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever

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Thanks for posting the link. Listening now and really enjoying this! I
would have liked it in -72 as well if I had just discovered it then.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Revfever  wrote:
> Greets-
>
> For those interested, here is a link for one of the last Conrad Schnitzle=
r
> albums (released June 6th, 2011. Ltd 2-LP, 100 copies only, sold out).
> This is a great example of his live / all analogue work and is from 1972.
> =C2=A0The link below is also from the record label itself (in Seattle)
> so it is authorized for anyone to hear for free. A good introduction to C=
on
> and his early pioneering days for anyone who has not known of him
> or his works, of which there are a LOT! (at least 90 releases if not
> more....?)
>
> Disclaimer Dept: =C2=A0I am not associated with this great label, but I w=
ish I
> WERE! =C2=A0:-) =C2=A0Enjoy....!
>
> http://www.furtherrecords.org/fur-037.html
>
> Cheers,
> Rev.Fever
> Portland,OR
> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
>
>

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Get back to that Ineko!

On Fri Aug 5th, 2011 3:54 PM PDT michael klobuchar wrote:

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I have a gibson edp+ w/ loop 4 and the black footcontroller. Works great, in
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My Bandcamp albums aren't selling very well. I know I'm not gigging a lot
and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are aware of my
music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros mostly) now
that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone tried the
"let fan name price" feature for a while and has it made a difference?

-Michael

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Hi,

Here's something exiting and rare: Good news!

I just noticed that if traveling with Brittish Airways at economy
class level you are now allowed to bring a 23 kilo bag checked in,
plus 23 kg hand luggage in the form of one computer bag and one other
bag! And there's more: the hand luggage bag may be a music instrument,
if not bigger than 126 cm. So you may actually bring with you in the
cabin both a computer bag and a smaller-than-126 cm instrument. Wow!

Five years ago I flew with Brittish Ariways and then they denied me to
bring an even smaller instrument in the cabin (which led to American
Intelligence snatching my saxophone and tagging it "suspicious luggage
to be terminated if not claimed by owner within 30 minutes").

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Nice spotting Per!! I'll put that in the back of my head. Tack s=E5 =
mycket! Cheers, Reyn.

On Aug 11, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Hi,
>=20
> Here's something exiting and rare: Good news!
>=20
> I just noticed that if traveling with Brittish Airways at economy
> class level you are now allowed to bring a 23 kilo bag checked in,
> plus 23 kg hand luggage in the form of one computer bag and one other
> bag! And there's more: the hand luggage bag may be a music instrument,
> if not bigger than 126 cm. So you may actually bring with you in the
> cabin both a computer bag and a smaller-than-126 cm instrument. Wow!
>=20
> Five years ago I flew with Brittish Ariways and then they denied me to
> bring an even smaller instrument in the cabin (which led to American
> Intelligence snatching my saxophone and tagging it "suspicious luggage
> to be terminated if not claimed by owner within 30 minutes").
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>=20

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> led to American
> Intelligence 

Wow.  Something our public schools have not been able to do!  

Come to think of it--Isn't AI  an oxymoron?

Daniel

On Aug 11, 2011, at 6:34 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Here's something exiting and rare: Good news!
> 
> I just noticed that if traveling with Brittish Airways at economy
> class level you are now allowed to bring a 23 kilo bag checked in,
> plus 23 kg hand luggage in the form of one computer bag and one other
> bag! And there's more: the hand luggage bag may be a music instrument,
> if not bigger than 126 cm. So you may actually bring with you in the
> cabin both a computer bag and a smaller-than-126 cm instrument. Wow!
> 
> Five years ago I flew with Brittish Ariways and then they denied me to
> bring an even smaller instrument in the cabin (which led to American
> Intelligence snatching my saxophone and tagging it "suspicious luggage
> to be terminated if not claimed by owner within 30 minutes").
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
> 

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> I understand exactly what you're describing...   I have several bits 
> of hardware that do just that, the best is my original Lexicon 224 
> from 1979... it uses subtle random modulation in the reverb 
> algorhythms and chorus and creates a haunting  yet organic effect.

I remember when it was new ... I heard a price tag of about 15,000 Euros
back then


> Universal Audio have created a plugin replication of it

$349 ... hmm ...


> (that's actually my guitar part they used at front and end of the video)

good job Charles !!  it has that Robin Guthrie feel that I love a lot. 

I wish the rest of the video was better - lots of talk, and a really boring
meaningless rock riff playing in a loop all the time, instead of some sound
samples.


-Michael




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Now that's what I call a good way to attract customers!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:

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>
> Here's something exiting and rare: Good news!
>
> I just noticed that if traveling with Brittish Airways at economy
> class level you are now allowed to bring a 23 kilo bag checked in,
> plus 23 kg hand luggage in the form of one computer bag and one other
> bag! And there's more: the hand luggage bag may be a music instrument,
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> cabin both a computer bag and a smaller-than-126 cm instrument. Wow!
>
> Five years ago I flew with Brittish Ariways and then they denied me to
> bring an even smaller instrument in the cabin (which led to American
> Intelligence snatching my saxophone and tagging it "suspicious luggage
> to be terminated if not claimed by owner within 30 minutes").
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>

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Now that's what I call a good way to attract customers!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,



Here's something exiting and rare: Good news!



I just noticed that if traveling with Brittish Airways at economy

class level you are now allowed to bring a 23 kilo bag checked in,

plus 23 kg hand luggage in the form of one computer bag and one other

bag! And there's more: the hand luggage bag may be a music instrument,

if not bigger than 126 cm. So you may actually bring with you in the

cabin both a computer bag and a smaller-than-126 cm instrument. Wow!



Five years ago I flew with Brittish Ariways and then they denied me to

bring an even smaller instrument in the cabin (which led to American

Intelligence snatching my saxophone and tagging it "suspicious luggage

to be terminated if not claimed by owner within 30 minutes").



Greetings from Sweden



Per Boysen

www.boysen.se

www.perboysen.com

www.looproom.com internet music hub







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Thanks Michael..

Sorry for all the "talk" but at least you get a peek at my studio..!

-Chuck

At 16:53 +0200 11/8/11, Michael Peters wrote:
>  > I understand exactly what you're describing...   I have several bits
>>  of hardware that do just that, the best is my original Lexicon 224
>>  from 1979... it uses subtle random modulation in the reverb
>>  algorhythms and chorus and creates a haunting  yet organic effect.
>
>I remember when it was new ... I heard a price tag of about 15,000 Euros
>back then
>
>
>>  Universal Audio have created a plugin replication of it
>
>$349 ... hmm ...
>
>
>>  (that's actually my guitar part they used at front and end of the video)
>
>good job Charles !!  it has that Robin Guthrie feel that I love a lot.
>
>I wish the rest of the video was better - lots of talk, and a really boring
>meaningless rock riff playing in a loop all the time, instead of some sound
>samples.
>
>
>-Michael


-- 

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix

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Here's a simple personal take on the subject:

I won't try the "fans name price" feature because I think it brings an
attitude to music that I think is bad for the art form. If anyone is
capable of setting a prize on your music it is YOU! Why? Because you
created it and you know what you need for compensation.

Ok, here it is again at a more detailed level: I have never believed
in a market value for music, because myself I have always been hundred
percent sure of the value of any music that I come about to hear. What
causes this value is only the visions and emotions I am experiencing
when hearing the music, nothing else. But I am not "a market" so I can
not demand that everyone else shall value the same music as high as I
do and agree to pay a high price for it. This leads to my second
decision: to let the creator set the value for his music. Since I
adore people that makes adorable music just as I adore the particular
music it is an act of support to pay the price the creator asks for.
In my specific case this is merely hypothetical since I don't have
money to spend on music, but that's another discussion - I think you
see where I'm getting. The bottom line is that only the creator should
set the price. Just as he makes his artistic decisions in the first
place he should set the price. Give it away for free or set a
ridiculously low price but don't let the customer decide on price!
That just stinks, degrading the true art. A customer can pay more, but
that's note "a higher price", that is "support".

Finally a related pragmatic truth out there: Setting a low price or
allowing a chosen low price is for most people having an effect that
makes them assume that the product isn't as good as it could be. An
artist should be optimally proud of his production, any other attitude
smells fishy. Better then for an artist that really wants some
incredibly poor person to afford his work would be to make this person
a special deal as an act aiming to support this person/cause.

It's true that less people are buying music these days but some folks
still do. Another known fact is that most professional artists spend
nine times as much time promoting and administrating as they spend
actually producing their work. If that boring muck-work isn't being
taken care of yet, you have an excellent tip for how to boost sales
;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



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> and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are aware of my
> music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros mostly) now
> that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone tried the
> "let fan name price" feature for a while and has it made a difference?
>
> -Michael
>
>

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In my experience, robust sales are not so much about price - sales growth proportional to marketing muscle.
And, similar to Per's point--  Lower prices are at crossed purposes with growing market buzz in many cases as they indicate a less than product value. 

How to build Marketing Muscle without a deep pocket label/distributor?  Thats a thread I want to see.

Daniel 
    


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> and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are aware of my
> music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros mostly) now
> that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone tried the
> "let fan name price" feature for a while and has it made a difference?
> 
> -Michael
> 

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GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY:                   http://galactictravels.info
=======================================================================
Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the
month-long Special Focus on Tomas Weiss and Mathias Grassow.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Quiet Calling II" on Musical
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FM.  Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet.

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Howdy list,=0A=0AMostly of interest to listmembers in the Philadelphia, New=
 York City or Los Angeles areas, I'd like to announce the premiere of a new=
 film by the Quay Brothers entitled Through the Weeping Glass: On the Conso=
lations of Life Everlasting (Limbos & Afterbreezes in the M=C3=BCtter Museu=
m)  for which I composed the score.=0A=0A(While the music isn't strictly lo=
op-based I did, as usual, make use of several of my loopers while recording=
 it...)=0A=0AThe first three premieres are:=0A=E2=80=A2 September 22: The C=
ollege of Physicians of Philadelphia=0A=E2=80=A2 September 24: The Museum o=
f Modern Art, New York=0A=E2=80=A2 September 27: Cary Grant Theater, SONY P=
ictures Studios, hosted by The Museum of Jurassic Technology, Los Angeles=
=0A=0Aand you can read more about it at =0A=0Aand  for the Philadelphia/Mutter Museum premiere on Septe=
mber 22nd=0Aand  for the NYC=
/MoMA premiere on September 24th=0Aand  (I think) for when the Museum of Jurassic Technology makes=
 their announcement.=0A=0AI'll be part of a panel discussion/Q&A thing with=
 the Quay Brothers after the screenings at both of the East Coast events (b=
ut not LA), so if anyone wants to come and ask me questions involving loopi=
ng in either Philly or NYC, here's our chance to bring this more on-topic! =
Or come and ask questions about anything you want to. Or just come and watc=
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Howdy list,

Mo=
stly of interest to listmembers in the Philadelphia, New York City or Los A=
ngeles areas, I'd like to announce the premiere of a new film by the Quay B=
rothers entitled Through the Weeping Glass: On the Consolations of Life =
Everlasting (Limbos & Afterbreezes in the M=C3=BCtter Museum)  for which I composed the score.
<=
br>(While the music isn't strictly loop-based I did, as usual, make use of =
several of my loopers while recording it...)

The first three premier=
es are:
=E2=80=A2 September 22: The College of Physicians of Phil=
adelphia
=0A=E2=80=A2 September 24: The Museum of Modern Art, New=
 York
=0A=E2=80=A2 September 27: Cary Grant Theater, SONY Picture=
s Studios, hosted by The Museum of Jurassic Technology, Los Angeles

=
and you can read more about it at <h=
ttp://www.uwishunu.com/2011/08/the-mutter-museum-has-teamed-up-with-philade=
lphia-native-filmmakers-the-quay-brothers-to-produce-a-short-film-premierin=
g-september-22/>

and <http://quay.eventbrite.com/> for the Philadelphia/Mutter =
Museum premiere on September 22nd
and <http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/films=
/1204> for the NYC/MoMA premiere on September 24th
and <http://=
museumjt.stores.yahoo.net/museumevents.html> (I think) for when the =
Museum of Jurassic Technology makes their announcement.

I'll be part=
 of a panel discussion/Q&A thing with the Quay Brothers after the scree=
nings at both of the East Coast events (but not LA), so if anyone wants to =
come and ask me questions involving looping in either Philly or NYC, here's=
 our chance to bring this more on-topic! Or come and ask questions about an=
ything you want to. Or just come and watch the film!

-t-

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Tim congratulations on this.  I recall when you got the call to score this
or think I recall you talking about that, point is I recall a lot of
excitement you related surrounding this project a year or so back. Hopefully
I can catch  the one at MOMA in September, I will put on my calendar, would
also be great to see you again.

Hoping this launches more scoring opportunities for you, this is excellent
news, congrats again.

Jim

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Tim congratulations on this. =A0I recall when you got the call to score thi=
s or think I recall you talking about that, point is I recall a lot of exci=
tement you related surrounding this project a year or so back. Hopefully I =
can catch =A0the one at MOMA in September, I will put on my calendar, would=
 also be great to see you again.


Hoping this launches more scoring opportunities for you, thi=
s is excellent news, congrats again.

Jim

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com<=
/a>> wrote:


Say =
LD-people,

What kinds of pickups are you using in your electric =
guitars?

For near 20 years I've had this config:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akama=
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_n.jpg

That's a forgotten brand humbucker at bridge and a =
Bill Lawrence Blade at the neck.

Recently I thought it would be =
fun to change it up, and with romantic sounds of my favorite single-coil =
players in my head, I sourced the best single coils I could, and had =
them installed along with a fully traditional 5-position =
switch... 

Excited to get my instrument back from the shop =
today, and just so disappointed in the result! Great pups if I were =
Buddy Holly maybe, but I need pickups that sing. And worst of all, the =
noise from these single coils is absolutely untenable in a looping =
situation... noise (loop) noisenoise (loop) noisenoisenoise (loop) =
etc... sounded like I was in a teenage garage band again :(

SO =
either I'm going back to the old setup, or changing again, to something =
hot and noise-free. I am curious about blade-style humbuckers in =
particular... anyone have experience with those?


Phil =
:)=

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Phil,

I don't know if this question was purely rhetorical or not.

I tend to favor Seymour Duncans (since I used to work there in the  
'90s).

Specifically, I favor humbuckers, but occasionally I want that snarky  
single coil notch position Strat sound, so I use switches for coil  
tapping on them.

My Gibson RD has a JB in the bridge position and a Jazz in the neck.

My 3-pickup Surfmaster has the same but with a 59 in the middle  
position between them.

Alas, my Tele copy is just a Tele copy with whatever stock no-name  
pickups it came with.

It's mighty quiet for just having single coils though.

Yeah, noisy pickups can be a bugger if you're looping.

I have a Jazz Bass that's a bit noisy, and my Surfmaster used to have  
P-90s which were sortta prone to hum and buzz despite having a very  
creamy-glassy sound that was way cool otherwise.

I hate extraneous noise though.

But sometimes you run across a guitar that sounds so good despite some  
little niggling extra hum or noise that it's a keeper anyway.

Sorry to hear that you didn't like your new pickups.

Duncan makes a couple of different kinds of single-coil sized  
humbuckers.

There are the "Rails" variety and the "Stacked" varieties  . . . and  
they also make a very narrow side-by-side model typified by the George  
Lynch Sreamin' Demon model.

Frankly they make so many different kinds of pickups these days, and I  
have been so long out of the loop in the industry, that you'd be  
better off to get a current catalog from them (or any other  
manufacturer you favor) and check what the tone charts say for each  
model.

Some sort of hum-canceling type of pickup may be required to get rid  
of the noise - or much better shielding in the wiring and control  
cavity (and double check the soldering joints while you're at it).

Just suggestions.

Best,

Ted

On Aug 11, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

> Say LD-people,
>
> What kinds of pickups are you using in your electric guitars?

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wow man thanx for the heads up thats marvelous news!!!
cheers
Luis

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here's something exiting and rare: Good news!
>
> I just noticed that if traveling with Brittish Airways at economy
> class level you are now allowed to bring a 23 kilo bag checked in,
> plus 23 kg hand luggage in the form of one computer bag and one other
> bag! And there's more: the hand luggage bag may be a music instrument,
> if not bigger than 126 cm. So you may actually bring with you in the
> cabin both a computer bag and a smaller-than-126 cm instrument. Wow!
>
> Five years ago I flew with Brittish Ariways and then they denied me to
> bring an even smaller instrument in the cabin (which led to American
> Intelligence snatching my saxophone and tagging it "suspicious luggage
> to be terminated if not claimed by owner within 30 minutes").
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>



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Ah so that's your Santa Barbara connection - nice :)

The new bridge pup is a Seymour SSL, the other two are 69's...

There was nothing wrong with my previous setup, it sounded great ! Just =
got an itch... now... gotta figger out how to unscratch that itch :)

Phil :)


On Aug 11, 2011, at 11:20 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:

> Phil,
>=20
> I don't know if this question was purely rhetorical or not.
>=20
> I tend to favor Seymour Duncans (since I used to work there in the =
'90s).
>=20
> Specifically, I favor humbuckers, but occasionally I want that snarky =
single coil notch position Strat sound, so I use switches for coil =
tapping on them.
>=20
> My Gibson RD has a JB in the bridge position and a Jazz in the neck.
>=20
> My 3-pickup Surfmaster has the same but with a 59 in the middle =
position between them.
>=20
> Alas, my Tele copy is just a Tele copy with whatever stock no-name =
pickups it came with.
>=20
> It's mighty quiet for just having single coils though.
>=20
> Yeah, noisy pickups can be a bugger if you're looping.
>=20
> I have a Jazz Bass that's a bit noisy, and my Surfmaster used to have =
P-90s which were sortta prone to hum and buzz despite having a very =
creamy-glassy sound that was way cool otherwise.
>=20
> I hate extraneous noise though.
>=20
> But sometimes you run across a guitar that sounds so good despite some =
little niggling extra hum or noise that it's a keeper anyway.
>=20
> Sorry to hear that you didn't like your new pickups.
>=20
> Duncan makes a couple of different kinds of single-coil sized =
humbuckers.
>=20
> There are the "Rails" variety and the "Stacked" varieties  . . . and =
they also make a very narrow side-by-side model typified by the George =
Lynch Sreamin' Demon model.
>=20
> Frankly they make so many different kinds of pickups these days, and I =
have been so long out of the loop in the industry, that you'd be better =
off to get a current catalog from them (or any other manufacturer you =
favor) and check what the tone charts say for each model.
>=20
> Some sort of hum-canceling type of pickup may be required to get rid =
of the noise - or much better shielding in the wiring and control cavity =
(and double check the soldering joints while you're at it).
>=20
> Just suggestions.
>=20
> Best,
>=20
> Ted
>=20
> On Aug 11, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>=20
>> Say LD-people,
>>=20
>> What kinds of pickups are you using in your electric guitars?
>=20

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Hi Gang,
I need your advice for those who are experts on LP guitars,
i have a 1974 original LP standard natural finish guitar that  id like
to revamp  with good quality hardware
Im looking to buy this stuff when i go to the states and have a friend
here install the electronics here
id like to replace the following items :

both new great sounding humbucker pickups
tone poties with all the mechanism inside thats wired to them
toggle switch selector
a good bridge
a nut that will help it keep it in tune better
and great practical tuners

The wood is great on this guitar and it has an amazing sustain but the
hardware at the moment is really old oxidated and in really bad
shape,the pickups squeal really bad,the poties are partly broken,the
toogle switch makes really bad noises,etc.
seems like the owner use to be a smoker,it has burn stains on the
headstock as well.
There is so much option now days with components and technology has
gotten really good improving intonation
there is also booster poties and such things but im not that
knowledgable and prices vary.
Essentially id like to preserve a good sounding LP tone,clear spanky
fat and round,im a fan of those late 60=B4s Jeff Beck and Pages tone
though the pickups that are on it now make it sound too muddy and
undefined specially on the bass position.
so i thought i ask here before i go shopping.
Thanx for your advice!
Luis





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With all that said,do you think is still worth it putting out a
physical CD with all its expenses,artwork,packaging etc. or just go
the digital download route?
will the ipod trend change and will people start buying physical CDs again?
ive noticed that rarely people buy CDs at concerts,we used to sell a
lot and nowdays people dont even come to ask,though digital sales have
increased.

Luis





On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Daniel Thomas  wrot=
e:
> In my experience, robust sales are not so much about price - sales growth=
 proportional to marketing muscle.
> And, similar to Per's point-- =A0Lower prices are at crossed purposes wit=
h growing market buzz in many cases as they indicate a less than product va=
lue.
>
> How to build Marketing Muscle without a deep pocket label/distributor? =
=A0Thats a thread I want to see.
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:42 AM, Michael Peters wrote:
>
>> My Bandcamp albums aren't selling very well. I know I'm not gigging a lo=
t
>> and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are aware of=
 my
>> music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros mostly) =
now
>> that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone tried=
 the
>> "let fan name price" feature for a while and has it made a difference?
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>
>



--=20
www.luis-angulo.com

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Sadly the media is just as old fashioned as the record industry. Without =
a physical CD you don't get reviews or any attention at all. Same with =
an EP. They still think in the 11 x 3.5min system... sadly..

Btw, at the moment vinyl has another boost...

On Aug 12, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Louie Angulo wrote:

> With all that said,do you think is still worth it putting out a
> physical CD with all its expenses,artwork,packaging etc. or just go
> the digital download route?
> will the ipod trend change and will people start buying physical CDs =
again?
> ive noticed that rarely people buy CDs at concerts,we used to sell a
> lot and nowdays people dont even come to ask,though digital sales have
> increased.
>=20
> Luis
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Daniel Thomas  =
wrote:
>> In my experience, robust sales are not so much about price - sales =
growth proportional to marketing muscle.
>> And, similar to Per's point--  Lower prices are at crossed purposes =
with growing market buzz in many cases as they indicate a less than =
product value.
>>=20
>> How to build Marketing Muscle without a deep pocket =
label/distributor?  Thats a thread I want to see.
>>=20
>> Daniel
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:42 AM, Michael Peters wrote:
>>=20
>>> My Bandcamp albums aren't selling very well. I know I'm not gigging =
a lot
>>> and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are =
aware of my
>>> music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros =
mostly) now
>>> that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone =
tried the
>>> "let fan name price" feature for a while and has it made a =
difference?
>>>=20
>>> -Michael
>>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> www.luis-angulo.com
>=20

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Although this might be true of an upcoming unknown artist (I hereby
subscribe to Pers philosophy that no artist should sell themselves short)
there is no doubt in my mind that product does and has had a huge impact to
play on marketing successes in the past.

CERTAINLY in the old school record buying world that I fondly remember.

As a for instance. I am personally mentioned twice in the "Big book of
British Hit singles". To be that you must have had a single at least in the
top ten selling record for one week in the UK charts. Both of there achieve
that by, what I would call a "Marketing Cheat". By no doubt a music biz
professional would call it business as usual.

So Cranes single "Jewel" came out as a 7 inch single. We made 3 versions
Original version
Radio edit version (shorter and vocals unfeasably loud)
Remix (by Robert Smith of the Cure)

Each single had unique packaging and different B-sides.
ONE of the versions (the original) also came with a slightly empty box
(designed to fit all three singles)
An heres the point, The single cost 99p, hat was 1pound 51p cheaper than a
regular single

I wager that no one bought 1 copy. Ever!

Every sale gave us 3 sells on the chart listing...
Now this is NOT what we were talking about here of course, how to increase
sales for our humble looping projects. That I cant answer, as I sell exactly
NIL of my records, and put a very cheap price on my music at Bandcamp. With
some albums offered for free, but I am NOT a professional, at least Not in
THAT business, but in TV scoring and film music, I am a professional, so I
mainly sell my music in meeting rooms, not on the internet.

I don't think there IS a sure fire way to succeed nowadays, not like the KLF
expounded in their book The Manual (If someone hasn't read this amazing
funny and clever tome, knock me up offline I have a PDF)

But there one thing for sure, no one gets anywhere NOW-adays without shit
loads of hard-work, talent and skill. Thats better than before, when it was
often money and /or corruption and/or luck that determined success.

No more Milly Vanilli!

Mark





On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote:

> In my experience, robust sales are not so much about price - sales growth
> proportional to marketing muscle.
> And, similar to Per's point--  Lower prices are at crossed purposes with
> growing market buzz in many cases as they indicate a less than product
> value.
>
> How to build Marketing Muscle without a deep pocket label/distributor?
>  Thats a thread I want to see.
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:42 AM, Michael Peters wrote:
>
> > My Bandcamp albums aren't selling very well. I know I'm not gigging a lot
> > and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are aware of
> my
> > music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros mostly)
> now
> > that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone tried
> the
> > "let fan name price" feature for a while and has it made a difference?
> >
> > -Michael
> >
>
>


-- 
*Mark Francombe*
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
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http://www.looop.no
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Although this might be true of an upcoming unknown artist (I hereby subscri=
be to Pers philosophy that no artist should sell themselves short) there is=
 no doubt in my mind that product does and has had a huge impact to play on=
 marketing successes in the past.



CERTAINLY in the old school record buying world that I fondly remember.=


As a for instance. I am personally mentioned twice in the "Big=
 book of British Hit singles". To be that you must have had a single a=
t least in the top ten selling record for one week in the UK charts. Both o=
f there achieve that by, what I would call a "Marketing Cheat". B=
y no doubt a music biz professional would call it business as usual.



So Cranes single "Jewel" came out as a 7 inch single. We made=
 3 versions
Original version
Radio edit version (shorter and vocals u=
nfeasably loud)
Remix (by Robert Smith of the Cure)

Each single h=
ad unique packaging and different B-sides.


ONE of the versions (the original) also came with a slightly empty box (des=
igned to fit all three singles)
An heres the point, The single cost 99p,=
 hat was 1pound 51p cheaper than a regular single

I wager that no on=
e bought 1 copy. Ever!



Every sale gave us 3 sells on the chart listing...
Now this is NOT w=
hat we were talking about here of course, how to increase sales for our hum=
ble looping projects. That I cant answer, as I sell exactly NIL of my recor=
ds, and put a very cheap price on my music at Bandcamp. With some albums of=
fered for free, but I am NOT a professional, at least Not in THAT business,=
 but in TV scoring and film music, I am a professional, so I mainly sell my=
 music in meeting rooms, not on the internet.



I don't think there IS a sure fire way to succeed nowadays, not lik=
e the KLF expounded in their book The Manual (If someone hasn't read th=
is amazing funny and clever tome, knock me up offline I have a PDF)



But there one thing for sure, no one gets anywhere NOW-adays without sh=
it loads of hard-work, talent and skill. Thats better than before, when it =
was often money and /or corruption and/or luck that determined success.



No more Milly Vanilli!

Mark





On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com&=
gt; wrote:



In my experience, robust sales are not so m=
uch about price - sales growth proportional to marketing muscle.

And, similar to Per's point-- =A0Lower prices are at crossed purposes w=
ith growing market buzz in many cases as they indicate a less than product =
value.



How to build Marketing Muscle without a deep pocket label/distributor? =A0T=
hats a thread I want to see.



Daniel








On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:42 AM, Michael Peters wrote:



> My Bandcamp albums aren't selling very well. I know I'm not gi=
gging a lot

> and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are aware =
of my

> music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros mostly=
) now

> that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone tri=
ed the

> "let fan name price" feature for a while and has it made a d=
ifference?

>

> -Michael

>







-- 
Mark Francombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe


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Phil Clevenger wrote:
> Say LD-people,
> 
> What kinds of pickups are you using in your electric guitars?

Ancient Single coils, Bill Walker says they are P90's .

...and as everyone knows by now
made of wood.

andy butler
ps,
practically, I'd recommend a single coil sound for looping,
better bass and more top.
A lot of pickups don't really bring out the 80Hz fundamental
in the sound, presumably because in a band context it's
a liability. For a solo looper having a strong bass really
helps.

Another option is to get hold of an
Electro Harmonix Knockout.
Really will help to get a broad freq range out of any pickup.

I don't usually have any hum problem, unless the venue has
lights with faders.

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Sorry spotted a few errors in my last post, READ THIS VERSION:

Dan sed
>In my experience, robust sales are not so much about price - sales growth
proportional to marketing muscle.

Although this might be true of an upcoming unknown artist (I hereby
subscribe to Pers philosophy that no artist should sell themselves short)
there is no doubt in my mind that product price does and has had a huge
impact to play on marketing successes in the past.

CERTAINLY in the old school record buying world that I fondly remember.

As a for instance. I am personally mentioned twice in the "Big book of
British Hit singles". To be that you must have had a single at least in the
top ten selling record for one week in the UK charts. Both of there achieve
that by, what I would call a "Marketing Cheat". By no doubt a music biz
professional would call it business as usual.

So Cranes single "Jewel" came out as a 7 inch single. We made 3 versions
Original version
Radio edit version (shorter and vocals unfeasably loud)
Remix (by Robert Smith of the Cure)

Each single had unique packaging and different B-sides.
ONE of the versions (the original) also came with a slightly empty box
(designed to fit all three singles)
An heres the point, The single cost 99p, hat was 1pound 51p cheaper than a
regular single

I wager that no one bought 1 copy. Ever!

Every sale gave us 3 sells on the chart listing...
Now this is NOT what we were talking about here of course, how to increase
sales for our humble looping projects. That I cant answer, as I sell exactly
NIL of my records, and put a very cheap price on my music at Bandcamp. With
some albums offered for free, but I am NOT a professional, at least Not in
THAT business, but in TV scoring and film music, I am a professional, so I
mainly sell my music in meeting rooms, not on the internet.

I don't think there IS a sure fire way to succeed nowadays, not like the KLF
expounded in their book The Manual (If someone hasn't read this amazing
funny and clever tome, knock me up offline I have a PDF)

But there one thing for sure, no one gets anywhere NOW-adays without shit
loads of hard-work, talent and skill. Thats better than before, when it was
often money and /or corruption and/or luck that determined success.

No more Milly Vanilli!

Mark

-- 
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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe

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Sorry spotted a few errors in my last post, READ THIS VERSION:

Dan s=
ed
>In my experience, robust sales are not so much about price - sale=
s growth proportional to marketing muscle.

Although this might be tr=
ue of an upcoming unknown artist (I hereby=20
subscribe to Pers philosophy that no artist should sell themselves=20
short) there is no doubt in my mind that product price does and has had a h=
uge
 impact to play on marketing successes in the past.


CERTAINLY in the old school record buying world that I fondly remember.=


As
 a for instance. I am personally mentioned twice in the "Big book of=
=20
British Hit singles". To be that you must have had a single at least i=
n=20
the top ten selling record for one week in the UK charts. Both of there=20
achieve that by, what I would call a "Marketing Cheat". By no dou=
bt a=20
music biz professional would call it business as usual.


So Cranes single "Jewel" came out as a 7 inch single. We made=
 3 versions
Original version
Radio edit version (shorter and vocals u=
nfeasably loud)
Remix (by Robert Smith of the Cure)

Each single h=
ad unique packaging and different B-sides.



ONE of the versions (the original) also came with a slightly empty box (des=
igned to fit all three singles)
An heres the point, The single cost 99p,=
 hat was 1pound 51p cheaper than a regular single

I wager that no on=
e bought 1 copy. Ever!




Every sale gave us 3 sells on the chart listing...
Now this is=20
NOT what we were talking about here of course, how to increase sales for
 our humble looping projects. That I cant answer, as I sell exactly NIL=20
of my records, and put a very cheap price on my music at Bandcamp. With=20
some albums offered for free, but I am NOT a professional, at least Not=20
in THAT business, but in TV scoring and film music, I am a professional,
 so I mainly sell my music in meeting rooms, not on the internet.


I don't think there IS a sure fire way to succeed nowadays, not lik=
e
 the KLF expounded in their book The Manual (If someone hasn't read thi=
s
 amazing funny and clever tome, knock me up offline I have a PDF)


But there one thing for sure, no one gets anywhere NOW-adays without
 shit loads of hard-work, talent and skill. Thats better than before,=20
when it was often money and /or corruption and/or luck that determined=20
success.


No more Milly Vanilli!

Mark

-- 
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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe


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thanks Per and Daniel, yes I see your points and they make sense

-Michael

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Phil,

If you want great single coil sound without the noise, try some Kinman  
pickups. No need to go back to humbuckers if you really want that  
single coil sound.

I know a lot of guys who have Kinmans, and they all love them. I have  
a whole bunch of other single coil pickups I could recommend, but they  
wouldn't solve the noise problem. The Kinmans will.

Jeff


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I have DiMarzio noisless singkle coils in few guitars and the sound really =
good.. one guitar has a "solo" in the bridge which is hot strat style picku=
p. Then i often use a the Tele style neck pickup... looks and sounds good..=
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 players touch=2C I particularly like Lollors firebird style pickups..
Anders

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Anders

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Pickups is as personal and subjective as string gauge, action and how
you set up intonation, trim the twang bar etc. Especially with
singlecoils they really come to life vs die within a few millimeter's
adjustment range. So it's kind hard to share specific recommendations
because of that. I used the same set of low output vintage sounding
single coils on  my main strat for almost two decades. I like the
rough and aggressive sound you can get form low output singlecoils
better then what the so called hot PU's deliver. You just have to
boost the amp a bit more. HOwever, a big issue is the nosie and from
day one I learned to play with the volume knob on the strat to keep
noise and hum from pestering the music. I recently got a humbucker
guitar as well and found that it was really fun to loop without having
to manipulate the volume knob between notes (less noise in the
buckers) so I changed Strat single coils pickups for less noisy modern
ones that would matc my sound ideas. The closest I found on today's
market are the Lace Holy Graal, so I now have a three PU set of them
and like it a lot! They are just a bit fatter and less "glassy" but
that's ok. The raw roughness of low output vintage style is still
there. And they really are rather silent. There is a mixed set of them
available too, but I prefer the vintage style and then balance the
levels by adjusting the three pickup's distance to the strings (this
also gives sound dynamics I like when playing a dual pickups modes)

BTW, I want to agree with Anders that the Lace Alumitones are great
for a wide sound! I'm awaiting two of them for my "hollowbdy" Les Paul
by Epiphone. This LP uses very fat strings in drop-C tuning and that's
the reason I want Alumitones for it. My traditional drop tuning
humbucker guitar is a Casio MG2 with a DiMarzio Dual Sound (another
fav PU model of mine), the Casio is the guitar I used for the metal
riffs on the album with Erdem. But since I got into Stick playing I
really fell in love with a High Fidelity Full Range pickup model and
thus ordered Alumitones buckers. There is also a model called Death
Bucker (name says it all) but after many days of listening to YouTube
tests as well as playing them on a guitar fair I found the plain
Alumitone bucker to fit my taste better. Also, since I prefer a laptop
now before my tube amp top I have all options at hand to filter and EQ
the signal at the input - just another argument for the fullrange
Alumotone bucker - it delivers a full palette for eventual further
refinement.

 I'v used one of  those Bill Lawerence (that you have) too and that
was a great sound in the bridge position! It really rocked for Sex
Pistol style trash dist power chord playing. I regret selling that old
start with the Bill Lawrence because I miss that sound now. Quite
similar sounding to a -62 Telecaster I have been using (talking bridge
pickup aggro dist here)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Phil Clevenger
 wrote:
> Say LD-people,
>
> What kinds of pickups are you using in your electric guitars?
>
> For near 20 years I've had this config:
> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/182627_10150148865785864_709430863_8110226_3950389_n.jpg
>
> That's a forgotten brand humbucker at bridge and a Bill Lawrence Blade at
> the neck.
>
> Recently I thought it would be fun to change it up, and with romantic sounds
> of my favorite single-coil players in my head, I sourced the best single
> coils I could, and had them installed along with a fully traditional
> 5-position switch...
>
> Excited to get my instrument back from the shop today, and just so
> disappointed in the result! Great pups if I were Buddy Holly maybe, but I
> need pickups that sing. And worst of all, the noise from these single coils
> is absolutely untenable in a looping situation... noise (loop) noisenoise
> (loop) noisenoisenoise (loop) etc... sounded like I was in a teenage garage
> band again :(
>
> SO either I'm going back to the old setup, or changing again, to something
> hot and noise-free. I am curious about blade-style humbuckers in
> particular... anyone have experience with those?
>
>
> Phil :)

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On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Louie Angulo
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> With all that said,do you think is still worth it putting out a
> physical CD with all its expenses,artwork,packaging etc. or just go
> the digital download route?


Well, it seems to still remain one good reason left for making CDs:
promotion. But since no one is buying CDs, what should you then
promote? The answer to that must be yourself as an artist brand. And
CDs may open up for getting good gigs, radio plays and further
placement in media like films, games etc. In economic terms I'd say
that you have to calculate with using as much money as the pressing
plant costs for stamps and envelopes to send out free CD's to
reviewers and concert programming groups. If pressing discs costs USD
1000 it might be worth it IF you also spend another grand for PR. And
on top of this come all the working hours as well.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hi

I bought an Oberheim Digital Pro in a situation where live testing wasn't a=
 possibility and the deal was based on trust.=20

However=2C once in my possession=2C the machine wouldn't boot up right and =
so I took it to an electrician who gave me the bad news that one o the EPRO=
Ms is corrupted.

I am trying to get my refund but in the meantime=2C investigating repair op=
tions for this specific problem.  I do believe it is possible=2C but I'm no=
t finding much within the UK.

I know this device has a cult following so it occurs to me that I can't be =
the first to try to rescue a half-broken Echoplex=2C so please=2C please=2C=
 get in touch if you can tell me where to get an EPROM replacement and/or d=
irect me to a UK or Europe based Echoplex expert.

Very sad today. Please don't give instructions on how to fix it other than =
replacing one EPROM=3B I know this is the problem.

Cheers Loopers! Please help a Loopy Damsel in Distress!

xDiana=2C Brighton=2C UK
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Hi

I bought an Oberheim Digital Pro in a situation where live testin=
g wasn't a possibility and the deal was based on trust. 

However=2C =
once in my possession=2C the machine wouldn't boot up right and so I took i=
t to an electrician who gave me the bad news that one o the EPROMs is corru=
pted.

I am trying to get my refund but in the meantime=2C investigat=
ing repair options for this specific problem. =3B I do believe it is po=
ssible=2C but I'm not finding much within the UK.

I know this device=
 has a cult following so it occurs to me that I can't be the first to try t=
o rescue a half-broken Echoplex=2C so please=2C please=2C get in touch if y=
ou can tell me where to get an EPROM replacement and/or direct me to a UK o=
r Europe based Echoplex expert.

Very sad today. Please don't give in=
structions on how to fix it other than replacing one EPROM=3B I know this i=
s the problem.

Cheers Loopers! Please help a Loopy Damsel in Distres=
s!

xDiana=2C Brighton=2C UK
 		 	   		  

=

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yo...if you can live with the older Loop 3.?? software I have some EPROMS

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Hi

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 possibility and the deal was based on trust.=20

However=2C once in my possession=2C the machine wouldn't boot up right and =
so I took it to an electrician who gave me the bad news that one o the EPRO=
Ms is corrupted.

I am trying to get my refund but in the meantime=2C investigating repair op=
tions for this specific problem.  I do believe it is possible=2C but I'm no=
t finding much within the UK.

I know this device has a cult following so it occurs to me that I can't be =
the first to try to rescue a half-broken Echoplex=2C so please=2C please=2C=
 get in touch if you can tell me where to get an EPROM replacement and/or d=
irect me to a UK or Europe based Echoplex expert.

Very sad today. Please don't give instructions on how to fix it other than =
replacing one EPROM=3B I know this is the problem.

Cheers Loopers! Please help a Loopy Damsel in Distress!

xDiana=2C Brighton=2C UK
 		 	   		   		 	   		  =

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yo...if you can live with the older Loop 3.?? software I have some EPROMS
From: dianarama@hotmail.co.uk
To: loo=
pers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EPROM replacements for Digital=
 Pro in UK?
Date: Fri=2C 12 Aug 2011 12:32:28 +0000









Hi

I bought an Oberheim Digital Pro in a situation where live testin=
g wasn't a possibility and the deal was based on trust. 

However=2C =
once in my possession=2C the machine wouldn't boot up right and so I took i=
t to an electrician who gave me the bad news that one o the EPROMs is corru=
pted.

I am trying to get my refund but in the meantime=2C investigat=
ing repair options for this specific problem. =3B I do believe it is po=
ssible=2C but I'm not finding much within the UK.

I know this device=
 has a cult following so it occurs to me that I can't be the first to try t=
o rescue a half-broken Echoplex=2C so please=2C please=2C get in touch if y=
ou can tell me where to get an EPROM replacement and/or direct me to a UK o=
r Europe based Echoplex expert.

Very sad today. Please don't give in=
structions on how to fix it other than replacing one EPROM=3B I know this i=
s the problem.

Cheers Loopers! Please help a Loopy Damsel in Distres=
s!

xDiana=2C Brighton=2C UK
 		 	   		  
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=

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Ok does that mean I would replace 'em both if the one that's in is already =
the new software? How much would they be in that case?=20
Cheers=2C if you want to ring me directly=2C I'm on 01273 204930

From: phillwilson@hotmail.com
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yo...if you can live with the older Loop 3.?? software I have some EPROMS

From: dianarama@hotmail.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
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Date: Fri=2C 12 Aug 2011 12:32:28 +0000








Hi

I bought an Oberheim Digital Pro in a situation where live testing wasn't a=
 possibility and the deal was based on trust.=20

However=2C once in my possession=2C the machine wouldn't boot up right and =
so I took it to an electrician who gave me the bad news that one o the EPRO=
Ms is corrupted.

I am trying to get my refund but in the meantime=2C investigating repair op=
tions for this specific problem.  I do believe it is possible=2C but I'm no=
t finding much within the UK.

I know this device has a cult following so it occurs to me that I can't be =
the first to try to rescue a half-broken Echoplex=2C so please=2C please=2C=
 get in touch if you can tell me where to get an EPROM replacement and/or d=
irect me to a UK or Europe based Echoplex expert.

Very sad today. Please don't give instructions on how to fix it other than =
replacing one EPROM=3B I know this is the problem.

Cheers Loopers! Please help a Loopy Damsel in Distress!

xDiana=2C Brighton=2C UK
 		 	   		   		 	   		   		 	   		  =

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Ok does that mean I would replace 'em both if the one that's in is already =
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Cheers=2C if you=
 want to ring me directly=2C I'm on 01273 204930

From: phillwilson@hotmail.com
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ght.com
Subject: RE: EPROM replacements for Digital Pro in UK?
Date: =
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yo...if you can live with the older Loop 3.?? software I have some EPROMS
From: dianarama@hotmail.co.uk
To: =
loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EPROM replacements for Digi=
tal Pro in UK?
Date: Fri=2C 12 Aug 2011 12:32:28 +0000









Hi

I bought an Oberheim Digital Pro in a situation where live testin=
g wasn't a possibility and the deal was based on trust. 

However=2C =
once in my possession=2C the machine wouldn't boot up right and so I took i=
t to an electrician who gave me the bad news that one o the EPROMs is corru=
pted.

I am trying to get my refund but in the meantime=2C investigat=
ing repair options for this specific problem. =3B I do believe it is po=
ssible=2C but I'm not finding much within the UK.

I know this device=
 has a cult following so it occurs to me that I can't be the first to try t=
o rescue a half-broken Echoplex=2C so please=2C please=2C get in touch if y=
ou can tell me where to get an EPROM replacement and/or direct me to a UK o=
r Europe based Echoplex expert.

Very sad today. Please don't give in=
structions on how to fix it other than replacing one EPROM=3B I know this i=
s the problem.

Cheers Loopers! Please help a Loopy Damsel in Distres=
s!

xDiana=2C Brighton=2C UK
 		 	   		  
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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 07:36:35 -0600
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Mark,

That's bordering on an exceptional sig-file . . .

~~ Dennis

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/


> No more Milly Vanilli!
>
> Mark
>

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all my guitars have different pu's:
-new collage guitar: altec p90s-which i love! love the hum! great clean,
great distorted
-old tele mutant-carvin blade pu's-which i also love-this guitar needs new
strings and some work, but like the sound
-old collage guitar-overwound humbuckers from GFS-just broke this out again
yesterday, w/ my swollen picle-WOW, loving the sound again...
-collage guitar that died-it had artec double blade single coils-which i
loved the sound of....sort of inbetween single &hb sound--no hum
though....(not sure if i'd
call it true single coil sound)
-next guitar project-i want to try a filtertron pu in bridge, will either
use one of my generic sc's that i have laying around, or i may pop in one of
the double blade pus...

one of my guitar projects yrs ago i had a kramer dual blade humbucker-the
thing had 4 blades--IT WAS SO LOUD. even on my cleanest settings it
DISTORTED...
i grew to not like that, just wasn't very versitile....i guess if you're
balls to the wall metal all the time, it would be for you, but for nuance-it
had none!!!

honestly i still think the best sounding pus for me is single coils...i
think there is just a truer sense of the sonic potential of the
string/finger interaction....
hum can be a problem, i just live w/ it....i'm also a person on a budget,
most of my guitars cost me around $300, i'm not a fan of plopping in $200
bardens-mainly
b/c i can't afford them....some people swear by "so&so" pu---i just live w/
my limitations....
happy hunting....
s---
www.soundclick.com/scotthansen

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all my guitars have different pu's:


-new collage guitar: altec p90s-which i love! love the hum! great clea=
n, great distorted


-old tele mutant-carvin blade pu's-which i also love-this guitar n=
eeds new strings and some work, but like the sound


-old collage guitar-overwound humbuckers from GFS-just broke this out =
again yesterday, w/ my swollen picle-WOW, loving the sound again...


-collage guitar that died-it had artec double blade single coils-which=
 i loved the sound of....sort of inbetween single &hb sound--no hum tho=
ugh....(not sure if i'd 


call it true single coil sound)


-next guitar project-i want to try a filtertron pu in bridge, will eit=
her use one of my generic sc's that i have laying around, or i may pop =
in one of the double blade pus...


=A0


one of my guitar projects yrs ago i had a kramer dual blade humbucker-=
the thing had 4 blades--IT WAS SO LOUD. even on my cleanest settings it DIS=
TORTED...


i grew to not like that, just wasn't very versitile....i guess if =
you're balls to the wall metal all the time, it would be for you, but f=
or nuance-it had none!!!


=A0


honestly i still think the best sounding pus for me is single coils...=
i think there is just a truer sense of the sonic potential of the string/fi=
nger interaction....


hum can be a problem, i just live w/ it....i'm also a person on a =
budget, most of my guitars cost me around $300, i'm not a fan of ploppi=
ng in $200 bardens-mainly


b/c i can't afford them....some people swear by "so&so&qu=
ot; pu---i just live w/ my limitations....


happy hunting....


s---



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You could always try it and find out--I don't know much about bandcamp, but
if there is the option to change the price down the road, it wouldn't hurt
to give it a shot. I agree with the high cost of CDs and I see Per's point,
but at the same time, you can look at your bottom line too--you don't gig
much and not too many people outside of the looping world know you, so to
offer fan-pricing, you are making your music more accessible to the people
who don't know you. You could sell 100 digital copies for 2 bucks a piece,
vs. 10 copies for 10 bucks. It seems cheap, but you have 200 dollars in your
pocket vs. 100 dollars.

Of course, my opinion is skewed, because I have a day job that pays the
bills. My music isn't something I really care to sell. I'd play for free
because I feel that's where my calling is--to share, not profit. Granted, if
I was a pro musician, then I would feel the opposite--i'd have to profit, or
i'd starve!

In the end, i'd say it's up to you and your goals in music--are you willing
to let the market decide how much your music is worth?

Charlie




On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Michael Peters  wrote:

> My Bandcamp albums aren't selling very well. I know I'm not gigging a lot
> and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are aware of my
> music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros mostly) now
> that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone tried
> the
> "let fan name price" feature for a while and has it made a difference?
>
> -Michael
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You could always try it and find out--I don't know much about bandcamp,=
 but if there is the option to change the price down the road, it wouldn=
9;t hurt to give it a shot. I agree with the high cost of CDs and I see Per=
's point, but at the same time, you can look at your bottom line too--y=
ou don't gig much and not too many people outside of the looping world =
know you, so to offer fan-pricing, you are making your music more accessibl=
e to the people who don't know you. You could sell 100 digital copies f=
or 2 bucks a piece, vs. 10 copies for 10 bucks. It seems cheap, but you hav=
e 200 dollars in your pocket vs. 100 dollars.=A0



Of course, my opinion is skewed, because I have a day job that pays the=
 bills. My music isn't something I really care to sell. I'd play fo=
r free because I feel that's where my calling is--to share, not profit.=
 Granted, if I was a pro musician, then I would feel the opposite--i'd =
have to profit, or i'd starve!=A0



In the end, i'd say it's up to you and your goals in=
 music--are you willing to let the market decide how much your music is wor=
th?=A0

Charlie







On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Mi=
chael Peters <mp@mpet=
ers.de> wrote:


My Bandcamp albums aren't selling very well. I know I'm not gigging=
 a lot

and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are aware of my=


music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros mostly) now=


that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone tried th=
e

"let fan name price" feature for a while and has it made a differ=
ence?



-Michael







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Hey y'all,

Tried something two nights ago which I'm sure some of you have tried before,
but it was super rewarding.  I had six violins with me in front of which I
looped and had each one capture a track of looping on live violin, then I
faded out the loop.  Worked like a charm and it was beautiful.

However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid the crossfade got lost, let
that be a lesson to me. Next show with this band, I'll not use the looper to
create, but rather just the musicians!

In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope to share some looping
work from this show with you all.

I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...

Cheers, all!

Laurie Anderson and Todd Reynolds Lincoln Center Out of Doors -
Review

http://www.kebya.com  for the photo gallery.


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Hey y'all,=A0

Tried something two nights ago which I=
'm sure some of you have tried before, but it was super rewarding. =A0I=
 had six violins with me in front of which I looped and had each one captur=
e a track of looping on live violin, then I faded out the loop. =A0Worked l=
ike a charm and it was beautiful. =A0




However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid th=
e crossfade got lost, let that be a lesson to me. Next show with this band,=
 I'll not use the looper to create, but rather just the musicians!



In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope to =
share some looping work from this show with you all.=A0

I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...=A0




Cheers, all!=A0









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Todd that's wonderful.  Congratulations on a such nice press from the NYT
along with sharing the bill with Ms Anderson, quite something, you're in
cool circles.

Nice that the Times writer went so far as to describe 'looping', neat.

Jim

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:12 AM, todd reynolds  wrote:

> Hey y'all,
>
> Tried something two nights ago which I'm sure some of you have tried
> before, but it was super rewarding.  I had six violins with me in front o=
f
> which I looped and had each one capture a track of looping on live violin=
,
> then I faded out the loop.  Worked like a charm and it was beautiful.
>
> However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid the crossfade got lost,
> let that be a lesson to me. Next show with this band, I'll not use the
> looper to create, but rather just the musicians!
>
> In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope to share some looping
> work from this show with you all.
>
> I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...
>
> Cheers, all!
>
> Laurie Anderson and Todd Reynolds Lincoln Center Out of Doors - Review
>
> http://www.kebya.com  for the photo gallery.
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>


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Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
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Todd that's wonderful.=A0 Congratulations on a such nice press fro=
m the NYT along with sharing the bill with Ms Anderson, quite something, yo=
u're in cool circles.


=A0


Nice that the Times writer went so far as to describe 'looping'=
;, neat.


=A0


Jim



On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:12 AM, todd reynolds =
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com> wrote:


Hey y'all,=A0=20




Tried something two nights ago which I'm sure some of you have tri=
ed before, but it was super rewarding. =A0I had six violins with me in fron=
t of which I looped and had each one capture a track of looping on live vio=
lin, then I faded out the loop. =A0Worked like a charm and it was beautiful=
. =A0






However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid the crossfade got=
 lost, let that be a lesson to me. Next show with this band, I'll not u=
se the looper to create, but rather just the musicians!





In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope to share some loop=
ing work from this show with you all.=A0





I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...=A0





Cheers, all!=A0










http://www.kebya.c=
om =A0for the photo gallery.=A0








-- 












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From Brooklyn To =
Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=
=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds

from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 jimgoodinpeterthor=
n.bandcamp.com.

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Can't wait to hear some of it!
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violin, then I faded out the loop.  Worked like a charm and it was =
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> In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope to share some =
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> I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...=20
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> Cheers, all!=20
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> Laurie Anderson and Todd Reynolds Lincoln Center Out of Doors - Review
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Can't =
wait to hear some of it!
On Aug 12, 2011, at 11:12 AM, =
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Hey =
y'all, 

Tried something two nights ago which I'm =
sure some of you have tried before, but it was super rewarding.  I =
had six violins with me in front of which I looped and had each one =
capture a track of looping on live violin, then I faded out the loop. =
 Worked like a charm and it was beautiful.  




However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid the =
crossfade got lost, let that be a lesson to me. Next show with this =
band, I'll not use the looper to create, but rather just the =
musicians!




In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope =
to share some looping work from this show with you =
all. 

I'll post a few links here to pics =
and a review... 




Cheers, all! 





http://www.kebya.com  for the =
photo gallery. 


-- =













toddbass.com
twitter: =
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Hi Todd: I was there and was able to audience wise myself close to the fron=
t. Your performance was quite something else in it's entirety. Adam (OMG)=
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n and knock yourself out!!  ~David

From: toddreyn@gmail.com
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Subject: human loop machine..
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Hey y'all=2C=20
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However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid the crossfade got lost=2C =
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In any case=2C we had a great time and someday I hope to share some looping=
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I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...=20


Cheers=2C all!=20
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Am 11.08.2011 14:42, schrieb Michael Peters:
> My Bandcamp albums aren't selling very well. I know I'm not gigging a lot
> and very few people (outside of this livelooping community) are aware of my
> music ... but maybe the albums are also too expensive (10 Euros mostly) now
> that people are used to getting tons of stuff for free. Has anyone tried the
Interesting discussion so far...the short answer is "yes" and "can't 
tell", the slightly longer one.

1. why people buy your stuff:
For someone to buy your stuff (and for simplicity, I'll say "buy" even 
if the price is zero), a few things need to happen. The potential customer
a) needs to know about your album and where to get it,
b) needs to be interested enough to go have a look,
c) needs to be interested enough to download it,
d) needs to be willing to pay the price you ask.

In a simplified approach,
a) and b) are influenced by marketing,
d) is influenced by the price you ask,
c) is influenced by the quality of your product (insofar as it captures 
the listener/viewer quickly).

In your email, you did only look at factors a) and d), and you only 
considered changing d).

(Bandcamp can help you to get some numbers there. The absolute value for 
b is the plays on your album page. the absolute value for d is the 
downloads. There, you got a ratio).

2. prices...and costs:
Per sez:
"If anyone is capable of setting a prize on your music it is YOU! Why? 
Because you created it and you know what you need for compensation."

...which is true if and only if you replace the word "prize" with "cost" 
in that sentence.
If you need €10 for compensation (by whichever means of calculation) but 
the customer is only willing to spend €5, then you won't sell anything. 
If you need €4 and the customer is willing to spend €10, then your 
margin is €6.

All in all: the price is set by the customer, never forget that.

You may or may not have an understanding what your cost total is. You 
do, however, have a very simple way to find what your order-to-delievery 
cost and margin is. (that being, the cost from the moment someone 
decides to buy the thing on bandcamp until he has it). The cost is what 
bandcamp/paypal etc. charges, the margin is what remains after that from 
the price.
The design and production costs, in this case, don't play that much of a 
role here, simply because they have already been spent. It's different 
if you decide if you're gonna to release another album or spare yourself 
the trouble because nobody buys it, anyway...

3. marketing muscle:
Several posters (e.g. Daniel, Reyn) agreed on the marketing muscle 
required, and how the business works to this regard.
Sadly, a decently successful bandcamp artist on this list, Matt Stevens, 
hasn't commented on this so far...sadly because.
 From what I understand, Matt has fairly good sales from bandcamp, 
although he lacks the record company marketing muscle many of you 
mention. There's independent bloggers out there, and podcasters. There's 
possibilities to simply use the most trustworthy marketing method - word 
of mouth among like-minded people - by using internet things.

The trick here is: using those marketing media, while you have only mild 
success in increasing factor a) above, factor b) increases to very high 
values (meaning: if someone reads about your album in an album he finds 
interesting, he will pretty quickly at least click that link and have a 
listen at your album. And if he's already there and continues to read a 
good review, he might just buy it as well).

4. what is a good price?
For me, it always seemed odd if a digital download was as expensive as a 
physical CD...then again, I don't know what physical CDs cost nowadays, 
but it still seems to be possible to get one for between €10-15. Some 
people may not share my idea that "a digital album is much cheaper to 
make, so it should be cheaper", so this line of argument could be moot.

Let's put it in perspective to an artist who is a) a looping artist, b) 
from all I hear successful in using bandcamp: Zoe Keating. Her albums 
are $8 (or in other words, only a little more than 50% of what you 
charge, Michael). The aforementioned Matt Stevens usually follows the 
"pay what you want (including free)" route, and seems to generate income 
from that as well.

Another reference: Robert Fripp - $10.

So what about your reasoning that so much is free, is that too expensive?

I don't believe that for this reason, "free" is a selling handle 
anymore. If you go to bandcamp/jamendo/whatever today, you can have 
shitloads of shit...free. Conversely, and also as a result of this I 
believe, people are still willing to pay for something that has a 
reasonable price.

Again, what is reasonable? I'd really say that pricing this way above 
e.g. Robert Fripp might just be something your average customer may not 
see as justified.

5. personal experiences:
Usually, my stuff is "pay what you want including free". Still, I don't 
get many downloads. The largest number of downloads I had in a two-week 
period was when I had an album that was only available for a limited 
time and which, different to my other albums, actually had a minimum 
price (€3,14 I think). People usually rounded that up generously.

Rainer

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Hi, I have had various Les Pauls and tried various others, including one of=
 the=20
first batch of Jimmy Page custom with three humbuckers, a Jeff Beck, a Fram=
pton=20
and a few others. Now I have a beautiful Heritage H150CM, and I think it su=
ms=20
the best I have tried in all of them, as woods, hardware and=20
pickups/electronics. I personally like pickups that are not too powerful on=
 the=20
Les Paul (this one has a couple of Duncan '59 customized for Heritage guita=
rs=20
which are really similar to the ones mounted on the Jimmy Page). A thing I=
=20
think you should do, is to leave the existing pickups (if they are the orig=
inal=20
ones and are not broken) and try to change only the electronics (pots, and=
=20
capacitors), to see if the situation varies. I have found, in years modding=
=20
guitar electronics for friends, that often the real problem resides just in=
 the=20
pots (the quality of...) and in the capacitors. If you want a classic les p=
aul=20
sound the first thing you could do is to read the following link (just for =
a=20
hint on what you would have to buy for the electronics...you could find kit=
s of=20
the same pieces in various shops):=20

https://www.martinsixstringcustoms.com/store/prewired-guitar-electronics-
harnesses/prewired-les-paula-harness/prod_9.html

I have found that with relatively little money you can bring new life in yo=
ur=20
guitar. I have an old Epiphone which had a good sound unplugged, with a goo=
d=20
sustain (not in the league of the Heritage, but not that much distant, too)=
. I=20
have made few little changes on that guitar (just pots, with CTS 500 Ohm an=
d a=20
couple of old caps, a graph tech nut and a Gotoh bridge and stop tailpiece)=
 and=20
the guitar now sounds even more similar to the Heritage (and various other=
=20
gibsons I have tried).
As far as hardware, I would try to go with original Gibson hardware or else=
=20
with something in the same league, like Tonepro or Schaller. Which kind of=
=20
tuners has your guitar got? Vintage Klusons (the ones with plastic tulip=20
machine heads) or Grover? I personally like more the vintage ones, since th=
ey=20
are lighter, but I have the grover ones on the Heritage and they work smoot=
h=20
and have a great tuning stability.

I hope I had been useful to you.
Luigi

>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: louie.angulo@googlemail.com
>Data: 12/08/2011 9.07
>A: "Loopers Delight"
>Ogg: Hardware shopping for Les Paul
>
>Hi Gang,
>I need your advice for those who are experts on LP guitars,
>i have a 1974 original LP standard natural finish guitar that  id like
>to revamp  with good quality hardware
>Im looking to buy this stuff when i go to the states and have a friend
>here install the electronics here
>id like to replace the following items :
>
>both new great sounding humbucker pickups
>tone poties with all the mechanism inside thats wired to them
>toggle switch selector
>a good bridge
>a nut that will help it keep it in tune better
>and great practical tuners
>
>The wood is great on this guitar and it has an amazing sustain but the
>hardware at the moment is really old oxidated and in really bad
>shape,the pickups squeal really bad,the poties are partly broken,the
>toogle switch makes really bad noises,etc.
>seems like the owner use to be a smoker,it has burn stains on the
>headstock as well.
>There is so much option now days with components and technology has
>gotten really good improving intonation
>there is also booster poties and such things but im not that
>knowledgable and prices vary.
>Essentially id like to preserve a good sounding LP tone,clear spanky
>fat and round,im a fan of those late 60=C2=B4s Jeff Beck and Pages tone
>though the pickups that are on it now make it sound too muddy and
>undefined specially on the bass position.
>so i thought i ask here before i go shopping.
>Thanx for your advice!
>Luis
>
>
>
>
>
>--=20
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>
>


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Congrats on the great NYTimes review too there Todd, you modest fellow! And
I to wanna hear this!! Are you shitting us there there no recording... that
should not be allowed!!!

Mark

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, todd reynolds  wrote:

> Hey y'all,
>
> Tried something two nights ago which I'm sure some of you have tried
> before, but it was super rewarding.  I had six violins with me in front of
> which I looped and had each one capture a track of looping on live violin,
> then I faded out the loop.  Worked like a charm and it was beautiful.
>
> However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid the crossfade got lost,
> let that be a lesson to me. Next show with this band, I'll not use the
> looper to create, but rather just the musicians!
>
> In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope to share some looping
> work from this show with you all.
>
> I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...
>
> Cheers, all!
>
> Laurie Anderson and Todd Reynolds Lincoln Center Out of Doors - Review
>
> http://www.kebya.com  for the photo gallery.
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>


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Congrats on the great NYTimes review too there Todd, you modest fellow! And=
 I to wanna hear this!! Are you shitting us there there no recording... tha=
t should not be allowed!!!

Mark

On=
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Hey y'all,=A0

Tried =
something two nights ago which I'm sure some of you have tried before, =
but it was super rewarding. =A0I had six violins with me in front of which =
I looped and had each one capture a track of looping on live violin, then I=
 faded out the loop. =A0Worked like a charm and it was beautiful. =A0






However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid th=
e crossfade got lost, let that be a lesson to me. Next show with this band,=
 I'll not use the looper to create, but rather just the musicians!





In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope to =
share some looping work from this show with you all.=A0

I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...=A0






Cheers, all!=A0







http=
://www.kebya.com =A0for the photo gallery.=A0


-- 














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ark Francombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


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RE: Bandcamp=20

Pay what you want does work really well. I've done about 2.5K albums for =
my stuff and well over a thousand for Fierce And The Dead - but you do =
need to put the effort in for marketing, get blog reviews, get print =
press, pay for adverts, play live, shake hands, do forums and build it =
up. The key is having a decent sized mailing list - anything less than a =
few thousand and you're unlikely to get many sales so give music away =
free until you have an audience - swop it for email addresses. It takes =
years to get to that point - if anyone needs info let me know :)

Invest in google/facebook ads, get deals and work a specific niche =
audience. Ask your friends what bands you sound like and market to fans =
of those bands. Get cheap deals on mag adverts - ignore the ratecard and =
say what you have to spend.

Look to spend  few hours a day on social media - this works but takes =
ages. If you don't get any traction either you're not working the =
correct niche or the music isn't of quality that people wish to share =
(doesn't mean its not any good or artistically invalid).=20

RE CDs get 100 CDr and see how they sell - once you have sold 400 get =
1000 done next time. Little steps. Fans do love digipack CDs thou - =
don't bother with the ugly plastic ones. Most mags and blogs aren't =
bothered about physical CDs - send CDRs like labels do -  its not the =
90's.

It took me around 5 years before I could do music for a living and i =
still do writing as an extra income.=20

Hope that helps

Ta


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That's a rare bit of good news for traveling musicians!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Louie Angulo
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> wow man thanx for the heads up thats marvelous news!!!
> cheers
> Luis
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here's something exiting and rare: Good news!
> >
> > I just noticed that if traveling with Brittish Airways at economy
> > class level you are now allowed to bring a 23 kilo bag checked in,
> > plus 23 kg hand luggage in the form of one computer bag and one other
> > bag! And there's more: the hand luggage bag may be a music instrument,
> > if not bigger than 126 cm. So you may actually bring with you in the
> > cabin both a computer bag and a smaller-than-126 cm instrument. Wow!
> >
> > Five years ago I flew with Brittish Ariways and then they denied me to
> > bring an even smaller instrument in the cabin (which led to American
> > Intelligence snatching my saxophone and tagging it "suspicious luggage
> > to be terminated if not claimed by owner within 30 minutes").
> >
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.boysen.se
> > www.perboysen.com
> > www.looproom.com internet music hub
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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>


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That's a rare bit of good news for traveling musicians!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@go=
oglemail.com> wrote:


wow man thanx for the heads up thats marvel=
ous news!!!

cheers

Luis



On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Here's something exiting and rare: Good news!

>

> I just noticed that if traveling with Brittish Airways at economy

> class level you are now allowed to bring a 23 kilo bag checked in,

> plus 23 kg hand luggage in the form of one computer bag and one other<=
br>
> bag! And there's more: the hand luggage bag may be a music instrum=
ent,

> if not bigger than 126 cm. So you may actually bring with you in the
> cabin both a computer bag and a smaller-than-126 cm instrument. Wow!
>

> Five years ago I flew with Brittish Ariways and then they denied me to=


> bring an even smaller instrument in the cabin (which led to American
> Intelligence snatching my saxophone and tagging it "suspicious lu=
ggage

> to be terminated if not claimed by owner within 30 minutes").

>

> Greetings from Sweden

>

> Per Boysen

> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.c=
om

> www.looproom.com=
 internet music hub

>

>







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If  my experience buying and selling vintage guitars over the last 30  
years carries any weight with you Louis , my advice to you is if it is  
stock, I would only replace gears with kluson or klusen style   
reproductions that fit the exact footprint, several good quality ones  
are available from WD and Allparts. don't ream out your tuner holes  
for larger tuners if you can help it. it will de-value your  
instrument. Are yours the tulip shaped metal ones with gibson stamped  
on the back, or do they have plastic buttons?  If its already been  
done before, try to at least match the foot print of the newer tuners  
rather than make new holes. getting a new nut and having fret work  
done is essential and won't effect the guitars value, the bridge, is  
most likely bowed by this point, the result of years of string  
tension, and the commonly held belief  that screwing a stop tail piece  
all the way down gives you more sustain and better coupling, true to  
an extent, but it will also increase the likely hood of string  
breakage, and the afore mentioned bridge warping, and hey its a les  
paul, its got the sustain thing happening.  also its probably prone to  
vibration issues as its gotten stressed over the years. So you will  
need to get a bridge and i would suggest a tone pros tune-amatic as  
they have set screw anchor reinforcements so they couple better. ditto  
with the stop tail piece, keep your originals. As far as the tone  
controls go, they often can be revived with some contact cleaner and  
the toggle switches and jack can be re-tensioned, so again replace  
only if you have to.  ditto with the pickups, though in this case if  
you really want a change keep the old ones and avoid routing if at all  
possible. As far as humbucking pickups go if you are going for a  
classic sound bear in mind that you probably have a maple neck that  
sounds brighter than a mahogany neck so a slightly overwound pickup  
might darken it up a bit to compensate. I like pickups with alnico II  
magnets,they are warmer with better sustain than alnico v's or  
ceramics.  Duncan makes some great ones and they would sweeten up a  
maple neck guitar. I suspect your guitar is suffering form fret issues  
bridges issues  nut issues and tuner issues and electronic issues not  
related to the pickups, and if you get those taken care of first, you  
might find you like the sound of the stock pickups.
Bill

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todd reynolds wrote:
>
>     Hey y'all,
>
>     Tried something two nights ago which I'm sure some of you have
>     tried before, but it was super rewarding.  I had six violins with
>     me in front of which I looped and had each one capture a track of
>     looping on live violin, then I faded out the loop.  Worked like a
>     charm and it was beautiful.
>

Hey Todd,    Which musician is doing the found sound/toy music stuff.    
He's the one with the really bushy gray hair.
He looks like a musician after my own heart and I'd love to contact him 
and find out what he's up to.

Could you arrange an introduction for me?

By the way,   the gig just looks wonderful!

I saw Laurie Anderson back in '74 or '75 at Cowell College's Thursday 
night 'College Night'
Most of the audience left because it was too strange for them, but it 
was a turning point in my life.

She's the first person I ever saw use pitch shifting to change the 
gender of her performance character and it was electrifying....
seemed like it was heralding an new age of music (if only I had known 
how wonderful and crazy it would get in the next 40 years.

She also was playing her violin with the tape recorder pickup attached 
to it so that her bow was a sentence of human tape
on a piece of magnetic tape.

So damned creative.     I wish I could have seen you guys play.

yours,  Rick Walker
>

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I have two strat's currently,  as rosewood capped maple neck, maple  
capped chambered swamp ash  bodied guitar with a combination of  
Kinman's starting with a southern cousin in the bridge, a 62 in the  
middle and an woodstock in the neck, the SC is almost a P-90 sound and  
never gets shrill, the 62 is great for the middle, twangy, the  
woodstock nails the tight punchy jimi neck thing. on my other strat a  
maple necked swamp ash solid body,  I have a set of Kinmans i can't  
remember I think they are 62's now called mkII I believe. . I also  
like duncan classic stack+ pickups , had a set on a baritone strat  
that Erdem now owns they sound great too and are a bit less expensive.  
On my  mahogany thin line tele which was my pickup revolving door  
guitar, has for the first time since i put it together 4 years ago a  
set of tele pickups, again kinmans, a broadcaster set, and a push pull  
tone control that runs them in series for a big fat optional sound.
  My asher has low wind lollar imperial humbuckers which are fat and  
warm sounding, I have a tv jones supertron on the lap steel hidecki  
made me, it has wonderful top end clarity and a clean high fidelity  
response. On my mini strat I have the same pickup and another kinman.
Bill

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Hey Rick,

I'll be happy to hook you up with Sxip Shirey on facebook.  I'll offer you
first his website, http://sxipshirey.com where you can find plenty of
videos, youtube offers more.  Best thing is to follow him on twitter, he's a
great follow. He's not a looper, by the way.  He's a soulmate for me in
terms of what we feel music can be for people, and we have a lot of fun
together, a simply great musician.

Wish you could have been there with us as well.  As to Laurie,  she has been
a huge inspiration for me ever since I discovered the creative side of music
27 years ago.  I can also tell you from knowing her, that her impulse, her
art, her music comes from a very kind and deeply deeply thoughtful
individual.  Really can't say enough about her.  And I too was awakened to
pitch-shifting and half my old rig by her.  Sometimes I wish I were a
wordsmith, which I'm not, and when I wish that, I'd have hoped to completely
re-contextualize something as she has 'the song'. A true American original,
and a wonderful person, beautiful and charismatic in person.

All the best to you!

Todd



>>
> Hey Todd,    Which musician is doing the found sound/toy music stuff.
>  He's the one with the really bushy gray hair.
> He looks like a musician after my own heart and I'd love to contact him and
> find out what he's up to.
>
> Could you arrange an introduction for me?
>
> By the way,   the gig just looks wonderful!
>
> I saw Laurie Anderson back in '74 or '75 at Cowell College's Thursday night
> 'College Night'
> Most of the audience left because it was too strange for them, but it was a
> turning point in my life.
>
> She's the first person I ever saw use pitch shifting to change the gender
> of her performance character and it was electrifying....
> seemed like it was heralding an new age of music (if only I had known how
> wonderful and crazy it would get in the next 40 years.

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Hey Rick,=A0

I'll be happy to hook you up with Sxip =
Shirey on facebook. =A0I'll offer you first his website, http://sxipshirey.com where you can find plenty of =
videos, youtube offers more. =A0Best thing is to follow him on twitter, he&=
#39;s a great follow. He's not a looper, by the way. =A0He's a soul=
mate for me in terms of what we feel music can be for people, and we have a=
 lot of fun together, a simply great musician.=A0




Wish you could have been there with us as well. =A0As t=
o Laurie, =A0she has been a huge inspiration for me ever since I discovered=
 the creative side of music 27 years ago. =A0I can also tell you from knowi=
ng her, that her impulse, her art, her music comes from a very kind and dee=
ply deeply thoughtful individual. =A0Really can't say enough about her.=
 =A0And I too was awakened to pitch-shifting and half my old rig by her. =
=A0Sometimes I wish I were a wordsmith, which I'm not, and when I wish =
that, I'd have hoped to completely re-contextualize something as she ha=
s 'the song'. A true American original, and a wonderful person, bea=
utiful and charismatic in person.




All the best to you!=A0

Todd











Hey Todd, =A0 =A0Which musician is doing the found sound/toy music stuff. =
=A0 =A0He's the one with the really bushy gray hair.

He looks like a musician after my own heart and I'd love to contact him=
 and find out what he's up to.



Could you arrange an introduction for me?



By the way, =A0 the gig just looks wonderful!



I saw Laurie Anderson back in '74 or '75 at Cowell College's Th=
ursday night 'College Night'

Most of the audience left because it was too strange for them, but it was a=
 turning point in my life.



She's the first person I ever saw use pitch shifting to change the gend=
er of her performance character and it was electrifying....

seemed like it was heralding an new age of music (if only I had known how w=
onderful and crazy it would get in the next 40 years.




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Hi Mark!  thanks for the kind words! (and were I truly modest, I wouldn't
have posted this at all, lol)

I believe there was archive audio, but I'm still not quite sure, I'll know
more soon.  I think there's even some video.  When I track it down, I'll
post.

we'll be doing more work together, however, so eventually.  This is sort of
my new band, we'll see what the market will bear.  I've been working alone
for the past six years (solo with video), and it's great to have energy
again to bounce with and off of, as it used to be with ETHEL.

cheers, T.


On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:10 PM, mark francombe wrote:

> Congrats on the great NYTimes review too there Todd, you modest fellow! And
> I to wanna hear this!! Are you shitting us there there no recording... that
> should not be allowed!!!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>

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Hi Mark! =A0thanks for the kind words! (and were I truly modest, I wouldn&#=
39;t have posted this at all, lol)

I believe there was a=
rchive audio, but I'm still not quite sure, I'll know more soon. =
=A0I think there's even some video. =A0When I track it down, I'll p=
ost.




we'll be doing more work together, however, so even=
tually. =A0This is sort of my new band, we'll see what the market will =
bear. =A0I've been working alone for the past six years (solo with vide=
o), and it's great to have energy again to bounce with and off of, as i=
t used to be with ETHEL.=A0




cheers, T.


On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:10 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=
 wrote:



Congrats on the great NYTimes review too th=
ere Todd, you modest fellow! And I to wanna hear this!! Are you shitting us=
 there there no recording... that should not be allowed!!!



Mark









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David, wow. What generous thoughts you've put down here,  thank you so very
much for the feedback, it helps me to suss out what works in that situation=
.
 I am truly happy with how this first time collaboration went down, and I'm
glad to hear that you heard the variety in sound and content, as that was
all by design.  I'm so sorry we didn't get to meet personally. (These large
audience things are frustrating, because you never get to meet everybody
you'd like, AND the attention is so divided that it's frustrating.

I did get your record and will listen to it today!

All the best,

todd



On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:18 PM, David Grego wrote=
:

>  Hi Todd: I was there and was able to audience wise myself close to the
> front. Your performance was quite something else in it's entirety. Adam
> (OMG), Sxip (OMG 2x), the violin ensemble (did I see an alternating
> viola?) and helicon tubist (who I didn't know) were excellent additions t=
o
> the mix, color & collage. The overall choice of rep was aurally expansive=
;
> all of which you should be very proud. I hung around after the concert to
> introduce myself and say hello but you were engaged. I did drop off my cd=
 &
> card with your cd sales partner-teers. Hope you got it. You may recall I =
had
> communicated with you a few months back on loopers-delight regarding our
> connections to the music biz (My connections being: Chicago, Hazmat Modin=
e,
> Blues Clues, Spike Jones and your former violin student Tim). Carry on an=
d
> knock yourself out!!  ~David
>
> ------------------------------
> From: toddreyn@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:12:33 -0400
> Subject: human loop machine..
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> Hey y'all,
>
> Tried something two nights ago which I'm sure some of you have tried
> before, but it was super rewarding.  I had six violins with me in front o=
f
> which I looped and had each one capture a track of looping on live violin=
,
> then I faded out the loop.  Worked like a charm and it was beautiful.
>
> However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid the crossfade got lost,
> let that be a lesson to me. Next show with this band, I'll not use the
> looper to create, but rather just the musicians!
>
> In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope to share some looping
> work from this show with you all.
>
> I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...
>
> Cheers, all!
>
> Laurie Anderson and Todd Reynolds Lincoln Center Out of Doors - Review
>
> http://www.kebya.com  for the photo gallery.
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>


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David, wow. What generous thoughts you've put down here, =A0thank you s=
o very much for the feedback, it helps me to suss out what works in that si=
tuation. =A0I am truly happy with how this first time collaboration went do=
wn, and I'm glad to hear that you heard the variety in sound and conten=
t, as that was all by design. =A0I'm so sorry we didn't get to meet=
 personally. (These large audience things are frustrating, because you neve=
r get to meet everybody you'd like, AND the attention is so divided tha=
t it's frustrating. =A0



I did get your record and will listen to it today!=A0
<=
div>
All the best,=A0

todd



On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at =
12:18 PM, David Grego <tubaczar98@hotmail.com> wrote:









Hi Todd: I was there and was able to audience wise myself close to th=
e front. Your performance was quite something else in it's entirety.=A0=
Adam (OMG),=A0Sxip (OMG 2x), the violin ensemble (did I see an=
 alternating viola?) and helicon tubist (who I didn't know) were excell=
ent additions to the mix, color & collage. The overall choice of rep wa=
s aurally expansive; all of which you should be very proud. I hung around a=
fter the concert to introduce myself and say hello but you were engaged. I =
did drop off my cd & card with your cd sales partner-teers. Hope you go=
t it. You may recall I had communicated with you a few months back on=A0loo=
pers-delight regarding our connections to the music biz (My connections bei=
ng: Chicago, Hazmat Modine, Blues Clues, Spike Jones and your former violin=
 student Tim). Carry on and knock yourself out!! =A0~David



From: =
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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:12:33 -0400
Subject:=
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Hey y'all,=A0

T=
ried something two nights ago which I'm sure some of you have tried bef=
ore, but it was super rewarding. =A0I had six violins with me in front of w=
hich I looped and had each one capture a track of looping on live violin, t=
hen I faded out the loop. =A0Worked like a charm and it was beautiful. =A0<=
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However... with the size of the venue I'm afraid th=
e crossfade got lost, let that be a lesson to me. Next show with this band,=
 I'll not use the looper to create, but rather just the musicians!





In any case, we had a great time and someday I hope to =
share some looping work from this show with you all.=A0

I'll post a few links here to pics and a review...=A0






Cheers, all!=A0







http=
://www.kebya.com =A0for the photo gallery.=A0

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I recommend Seymour Duncan pups. I don't play a Les Paul, but I use =20
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Here's something that looks suitable for what you're going for:

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On Aug 12, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Louie Angulo wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> I need your advice for those who are experts on LP guitars,
> i have a 1974 original LP standard natural finish guitar that  id like
> to revamp  with good quality hardware
> Im looking to buy this stuff when i go to the states and have a friend
> here install the electronics here
> id like to replace the following items :
>
> both new great sounding humbucker pickups
> tone poties with all the mechanism inside thats wired to them
> toggle switch selector
> a good bridge
> a nut that will help it keep it in tune better
> and great practical tuners
>
> The wood is great on this guitar and it has an amazing sustain but the
> hardware at the moment is really old oxidated and in really bad
> shape,the pickups squeal really bad,the poties are partly broken,the
> toogle switch makes really bad noises,etc.
> seems like the owner use to be a smoker,it has burn stains on the
> headstock as well.
> There is so much option now days with components and technology has
> gotten really good improving intonation
> there is also booster poties and such things but im not that
> knowledgable and prices vary.
> Essentially id like to preserve a good sounding LP tone,clear spanky
> fat and round,im a fan of those late 60=B4s Jeff Beck and Pages tone
> though the pickups that are on it now make it sound too muddy and
> undefined specially on the bass position.
> so i thought i ask here before i go shopping.
> Thanx for your advice!
> Luis
>
>
>
>
>
> --=20
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Congrats on the performance, Todd!=A0 Sounds like a great combination of go=
od music and compelling visuals.=0A=0A=0AI'll echo Laurie Anderson being an=
 inspiration.=A0 As a kid, I read the review Time magazine did of the debut=
 of her United States show in 1983.=A0 Somehow it stuck with (the sand that=
 becomes a pearl!) and when I saw the vinyl in a remainder bin a few years =
later, I picked it up.=A0 Yah, that was a pretty good re-framing of what's =
possible, what can be a 'song', etc...=A0 "From The Air" is still on perman=
ent rotation in my ipod - love the line "this is the time and this is a rec=
ord of the time.".=0A=0A=0ALooks like we're 1.5 years away from the 30th an=
niv. of United States.=A0 I'm sure she won't remount it but to see it would=
 be something to see...=0A=0A=0A=0Ated.=0A=0A=A0=0AOr would you sing someth=
in' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you =
right now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of =
song that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in G=
od, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself.   Sam Phillips, "Wal=
k the Line"=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: todd reynolds =
=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Satu=
rday, August 13, 2011 7:30:39 AM=0ASubject: Re: human loop machine..=0A=0A=
=0AHey Rick,=A0=0A=0AI'll be happy to hook you up with Sxip Shirey on faceb=
ook. =A0I'll offer you first his website, http://sxipshirey.com where you c=
an find plenty of videos, youtube offers more. =A0Best thing is to follow h=
im on twitter, he's a great follow. He's not a looper, by the way. =A0He's =
a soulmate for me in terms of what we feel music can be for people, and we =
have a lot of fun together, a simply great musician.=A0=0A=0AWish you could=
 have been there with us as well. =A0As to Laurie, =A0she has been a huge i=
nspiration for me ever since I discovered the creative side of music 27 yea=
rs ago. =A0I can also tell you from knowing her, that her impulse, her art,=
 her music comes from a very kind and deeply deeply thoughtful individual. =
=A0Really can't say enough about her. =A0And I too was awakened to pitch-sh=
ifting and half my old rig by her. =A0Sometimes I wish I were a wordsmith, =
which I'm not, and when I wish that, I'd have hoped to completely re-contex=
tualize something as she has 'the song'. A true American original, and a wo=
nderful person, beautiful and charismatic in person.=0A=0AAll the best to y=
ou!=A0=0A=0ATodd=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A>>=0A>=0AHey Todd, =A0 =A0Which musician is =
doing the found sound/toy music stuff. =A0 =A0He's the one with the really =
bushy gray hair.=0A>He looks like a musician after my own heart and I'd lov=
e to contact him and find out what he's up to.=0A>=0A>Could you arrange an =
introduction for me?=0A>=0A>By the way, =A0 the gig just looks wonderful!=
=0A>=0A>I saw Laurie Anderson back in '74 or '75 at Cowell College's Thursd=
ay night 'College Night'=0A>Most of the audience left because it was too st=
range for them, but it was a turning point in my life.=0A>=0A>She's the fir=
st person I ever saw use pitch shifting to change the gender of her perform=
ance character and it was electrifying....=0A>seemed like it was heralding =
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Congrats on the performance, Todd!  Sounds like a gr=
eat combination of good music and compelling visuals.

I'll echo Laurie Anderson being an inspiration.  As a kid, I re=
ad the review Time magazine did of the debut of her United States show in 1=
983.  Somehow it stuck with (the sand that becomes a pearl!) and when =
I saw the
 vinyl in a remainder bin a few years later, I picked it up.  Yah, tha=
t was a pretty good re-framing of what's possible, what can be a 'song', et=
c...  "From The Air" is still on permanent rotation in my ipod - love =
the line "this is the time and this is a record of the time.".

Looks like we're 1.5 years away from the 30th anniv. of Uni=
ted States.  I'm sure she won't remount it but to see it would be some=
thing to see...


ted.
 
Or would=
 you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause =
I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. Tha=
t's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do wit=
h believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself.   Sa=
m Phillips, "Walk the Line"
From: todd reynolds =
<toddreyn@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 7:30:39 AM
Subject: Re: human loop machine..
=

Hey Rick, 

I'l=
l be happy to hook you up with Sxip Shirey on facebook.  I'll offer yo=
u first his website, http://sxipshirey.com where you can find plenty of video=
s, youtube offers more.  Best thing is to follow him on twitter, he's =
a great follow. He's not a looper, by the way.
  He's a soulmate=0A for me in terms of what we feel music can be for =
people, and we have a lot of fun together, a simply great musician. =0A=0A

Wish you could have been there with us as wel=
l.  As to Laurie,  she has been a huge inspiration for me ever si=
nce I discovered the creative side of music 27 years ago.  I can also =
tell you from knowing her, that her impulse, her art, her music comes from =
a very kind and deeply deeply thoughtful individual.  Really can't say=
 enough about her.  And I too was awakened to pitch-shifting and half =
my old rig by her.  Sometimes I wish I were a wordsmith, which I'm not=
, and when I wish that, I'd have hoped to completely re-contextualize somet=
hing as she has 'the song'. A true American original, and a wonderful perso=
n, beautiful and charismatic in person.
=0A=0A

All =
the best to you! 

Todd


=0A=0A

=0A
=0A
=0AHey Todd,    Whi=
ch musician is doing the found sound/toy music stuff.    He's the=
 one with the really bushy gray hair.
=0AHe looks like a musician after =
my own heart and I'd love to contact him and find out what he's up to.
=
=0A
=0ACould you arrange an introduction for me?
=0A
=0ABy the way=
,   the gig just looks wonderful!
=0A
=0AI saw Laurie Anderson b=
ack in '74 or '75 at Cowell College's Thursday night 'College Night'
=0A=
Most of the audience left because it was too strange for them, but it was a=
 turning point in my life.
=0A
=0AShe's the first person I ever saw u=
se pitch shifting to change the gender of her performance character and it =
was electrifying....
=0Aseemed like it was heralding an new age of music=
 (if only I had known how wonderful and crazy it would get in the next 40 y=
ears.
=0A
=0A


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hey guys Luigie,Ingo and Bill thanx a lot for your advice,my Les Paul
Standard Natural is actually a 1976 and not a 74, sorry my bad.
Ive heard or read somewhere sometime that there were some changes
around that time withthin the gibson company and changes as far as
quality of components as well,so i really dont know how valuable that
original hardware is on the 76 LPs.
anyway here is a pic of one,this is exactly how mine looks

http://www.guitar-museum.com/uploads/guitar/999/88025-1.jpg

The pickups squeal really bad i cant even use the overdrive full
blast,though clean is no issue,you think thats electronic issues
rather than the pickups themselves?
Also the toggle switch creates sort of a static noise and seems to
amplify the tone buttons when you touch them so thats why i want to
get all those parts as well if neccesary.
thanx guys ill be checking out your recomendations.
Luis




On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:05 AM, William Walker  wr=
ote:
> If =A0my experience buying and selling vintage guitars over the last 30 y=
ears
> carries any weight with you Louis , my advice to you is if it is stock, I
> would only replace gears with kluson or klusen style =A0reproductions tha=
t fit
> the exact footprint, several good quality ones are available from WD and
> Allparts. don't ream out your tuner holes for larger tuners if you can he=
lp
> it. it will de-value your instrument. Are yours the tulip shaped metal on=
es
> with gibson stamped on the back, or do they have plastic buttons? =A0If i=
ts
> already been done before, try to at least match the foot print of the new=
er
> tuners rather than make new holes. getting a new nut and having fret work
> done is essential and won't effect the guitars value, the bridge, is most
> likely bowed by this point, the result of years of string tension, and th=
e
> commonly held belief =A0that screwing a stop tail piece all the way down =
gives
> you more sustain and better coupling, true to an extent, but it will also
> increase the likely hood of string breakage, and the afore mentioned brid=
ge
> warping, and hey its a les paul, its got the sustain thing happening. =A0=
also
> its probably prone to vibration issues as its gotten stressed over the
> years. So you will need to get a bridge and i would suggest a tone pros
> tune-amatic as they have set screw anchor reinforcements so they couple
> better. ditto with the stop tail piece, keep your originals. As far as th=
e
> tone controls go, they often can be revived with some contact cleaner and
> the toggle switches and jack can be re-tensioned, so again replace only i=
f
> you have to. =A0ditto with the pickups, though in this case if you really=
 want
> a change keep the old ones and avoid routing if at all possible. As far a=
s
> humbucking pickups go if you are going for a classic sound bear in mind t=
hat
> you probably have a maple neck that sounds brighter than a mahogany neck =
so
> a slightly overwound pickup might darken it up a bit to compensate. I lik=
e
> pickups with alnico II magnets,they are warmer with better sustain than
> alnico v's or ceramics. =A0Duncan makes some great ones and they would sw=
eeten
> up a maple neck guitar. I suspect your guitar is suffering form fret issu=
es
> bridges issues =A0nut issues and tuner issues and electronic issues not
> related to the pickups, and if you get those taken care of first, you mig=
ht
> find you like the sound of the stock pickups.
> Bill
>
>



--=20
www.luis-angulo.com

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Squealing is due to microphonic feedback within the pickups. Why not get a p=
air of Duncan 59's or Gibson Burstbuckers in there? I don't think it will be=
 solved by replacing the rest of the electronics (but you should do this any=
way from the sounds of it)

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On 13 Aug 2011, at 17:20, Louie Angulo  wrote:

> hey guys Luigie,Ingo and Bill thanx a lot for your advice,my Les Paul
> Standard Natural is actually a 1976 and not a 74, sorry my bad.
> Ive heard or read somewhere sometime that there were some changes
> around that time withthin the gibson company and changes as far as
> quality of components as well,so i really dont know how valuable that
> original hardware is on the 76 LPs.
> anyway here is a pic of one,this is exactly how mine looks
>=20
> http://www.guitar-museum.com/uploads/guitar/999/88025-1.jpg
>=20
> The pickups squeal really bad i cant even use the overdrive full
> blast,though clean is no issue,you think thats electronic issues
> rather than the pickups themselves?
> Also the toggle switch creates sort of a static noise and seems to
> amplify the tone buttons when you touch them so thats why i want to
> get all those parts as well if neccesary.
> thanx guys ill be checking out your recomendations.
> Luis
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:05 AM, William Walker  w=
rote:
>> If  my experience buying and selling vintage guitars over the last 30 yea=
rs
>> carries any weight with you Louis , my advice to you is if it is stock, I=

>> would only replace gears with kluson or klusen style  reproductions that f=
it
>> the exact footprint, several good quality ones are available from WD and
>> Allparts. don't ream out your tuner holes for larger tuners if you can he=
lp
>> it. it will de-value your instrument. Are yours the tulip shaped metal on=
es
>> with gibson stamped on the back, or do they have plastic buttons?  If its=

>> already been done before, try to at least match the foot print of the new=
er
>> tuners rather than make new holes. getting a new nut and having fret work=

>> done is essential and won't effect the guitars value, the bridge, is most=

>> likely bowed by this point, the result of years of string tension, and th=
e
>> commonly held belief  that screwing a stop tail piece all the way down gi=
ves
>> you more sustain and better coupling, true to an extent, but it will also=

>> increase the likely hood of string breakage, and the afore mentioned brid=
ge
>> warping, and hey its a les paul, its got the sustain thing happening.  al=
so
>> its probably prone to vibration issues as its gotten stressed over the
>> years. So you will need to get a bridge and i would suggest a tone pros
>> tune-amatic as they have set screw anchor reinforcements so they couple
>> better. ditto with the stop tail piece, keep your originals. As far as th=
e
>> tone controls go, they often can be revived with some contact cleaner and=

>> the toggle switches and jack can be re-tensioned, so again replace only i=
f
>> you have to.  ditto with the pickups, though in this case if you really w=
ant
>> a change keep the old ones and avoid routing if at all possible. As far a=
s
>> humbucking pickups go if you are going for a classic sound bear in mind t=
hat
>> you probably have a maple neck that sounds brighter than a mahogany neck s=
o
>> a slightly overwound pickup might darken it up a bit to compensate. I lik=
e
>> pickups with alnico II magnets,they are warmer with better sustain than
>> alnico v's or ceramics.  Duncan makes some great ones and they would swee=
ten
>> up a maple neck guitar. I suspect your guitar is suffering form fret issu=
es
>> bridges issues  nut issues and tuner issues and electronic issues not
>> related to the pickups, and if you get those taken care of first, you mig=
ht
>> find you like the sound of the stock pickups.
>> Bill
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Hi Louie. I totally agree with Bill. You should keep the guitar as original=
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possible (and keep the original parts if you change them). From what you sa=
y,=20
one of the problems is the grounding of the guitar. Probably using some con=
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the=20
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em=20
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Ciao
Luigi


>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: louie.angulo@googlemail.com
>Data: 13/08/2011 18.20
>A: 
>Ogg: Re: Hardware shopping for Les Paul
>
>hey guys Luigie,Ingo and Bill thanx a lot for your advice,my Les Paul
>Standard Natural is actually a 1976 and not a 74, sorry my bad.
>Ive heard or read somewhere sometime that there were some changes
>around that time withthin the gibson company and changes as far as
>quality of components as well,so i really dont know how valuable that
>original hardware is on the 76 LPs.
>anyway here is a pic of one,this is exactly how mine looks
>
>http://www.guitar-museum.com/uploads/guitar/999/88025-1.jpg
>
>The pickups squeal really bad i cant even use the overdrive full
>blast,though clean is no issue,you think thats electronic issues
>rather than the pickups themselves?
>Also the toggle switch creates sort of a static noise and seems to
>amplify the tone buttons when you touch them so thats why i want to
>get all those parts as well if neccesary.
>thanx guys ill be checking out your recomendations.
>Luis
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:05 AM, William Walker =
=20
wrote:
>> If =C2=A0my experience buying and selling vintage guitars over the last =
30 years
>> carries any weight with you Louis , my advice to you is if it is stock, =
I
>> would only replace gears with kluson or klusen style =C2=A0reproductions=
 that=20
fit
>> the exact footprint, several good quality ones are available from WD and
>> Allparts. don't ream out your tuner holes for larger tuners if you can h=
elp
>> it. it will de-value your instrument. Are yours the tulip shaped metal o=
nes
>> with gibson stamped on the back, or do they have plastic buttons? =C2=A0=
If its
>> already been done before, try to at least match the foot print of the ne=
wer
>> tuners rather than make new holes. getting a new nut and having fret wor=
k
>> done is essential and won't effect the guitars value, the bridge, is mos=
t
>> likely bowed by this point, the result of years of string tension, and t=
he
>> commonly held belief =C2=A0that screwing a stop tail piece all the way d=
own=20
gives
>> you more sustain and better coupling, true to an extent, but it will als=
o
>> increase the likely hood of string breakage, and the afore mentioned bri=
dge
>> warping, and hey its a les paul, its got the sustain thing happening. =
=C2=A0also
>> its probably prone to vibration issues as its gotten stressed over the
>> years. So you will need to get a bridge and i would suggest a tone pros
>> tune-amatic as they have set screw anchor reinforcements so they couple
>> better. ditto with the stop tail piece, keep your originals. As far as t=
he
>> tone controls go, they often can be revived with some contact cleaner an=
d
>> the toggle switches and jack can be re-tensioned, so again replace only =
if
>> you have to. =C2=A0ditto with the pickups, though in this case if you re=
ally=20
want
>> a change keep the old ones and avoid routing if at all possible. As far =
as
>> humbucking pickups go if you are going for a classic sound bear in mind=
=20
that
>> you probably have a maple neck that sounds brighter than a mahogany neck=
 so
>> a slightly overwound pickup might darken it up a bit to compensate. I li=
ke
>> pickups with alnico II magnets,they are warmer with better sustain than
>> alnico v's or ceramics. =C2=A0Duncan makes some great ones and they woul=
d=20
sweeten
>> up a maple neck guitar. I suspect your guitar is suffering form fret iss=
ues
>> bridges issues =C2=A0nut issues and tuner issues and electronic issues n=
ot
>> related to the pickups, and if you get those taken care of first, you mi=
ght
>> find you like the sound of the stock pickups.
>> Bill
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>www.luis-angulo.com
>
>


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Absolutely fascinating!  What a RARE FIND!  Enjoy....

Cheers,
Rev. Fever
Portland,OR
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever

'In order to create music on the Oram, a composer painted waveforms  
directly onto 35mm film strips which were fed into the machine.  
Inside, photo-electronic cells read the light pattern and interpreted  
it as sound.'

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2011/08/pioneering-electronic- 
instrument-rediscovered-in-france.html

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/13/kraftwerk-who-pioneering-50s- 
synthesizer-unearthed-in-french/


PS-Excellent comment. I fully agree.

'Excellent article. Though people may joke and say they can get that  
sound with a five dollar app, i think their missing the point of any  
history lesson - knowing your roots. and if you like music this is  
one of those roots. and if you like tech, this is one of those roots.  
its important to remember iphones didnt drop out of the sky, they  
came by decades of work before that, many often just tinkering in the  
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'In order to create music on the =
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agree.

'Excellent article. Though people may =
joke and say they can get that sound with a five dollar app, i =
think their missing the point of any history lesson - knowing your =
roots. and if you like music this is one of those roots. and if you like =
tech, this is one of those roots. its important to remember iphones =
didnt drop out of the sky, they came by decades of work before =
that, many often just tinkering in the name of science, and often i =
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Microphonic pickups can be caused by a couple of things most likely a  
lack of wax potting or the potting has drifted over time with heat and  
gravity, also loose covers and or lack potting between the cover and  
pickups can cause that too.  i actually like pickups that have some  
micro phonics, as they pickup more of the wood tone and are actually  
very controllable with medium overdrive, but will squeal like little  
piggies with heavy distortion . Its possible to have pickups half  
potted for the best of both worlds. oxidation over time will make  
switches noisy. and it sounds like everything is maybe not  
particularly well grounded. A good repair guy could cure all of those  
issues, re-potting the pickups cleaning and or re-soldering switches  
and pots.
again. regarding Gibson in the 70's the spiral downward in quality had  
as much to do with how the bodies and necks were  put together, four  
piece bodies became 6 piece bodies, 1 piece necks became 5 piece necks  
(if you count the headstock wings.), all things that were well in  
effect when your guitar was made, regardless these guitars will go up  
in value and already have, and the more components you remove the less  
stock it is and less valuable if you choose to part with it someday.  
keep your components, Don't let a repair guy talk you out of them for  
a discount on his work or new components, he will turn around and sell  
them for a profit,  or use them for a restoration project on a guitar  
that some else modified the value out of. vintage parts are vintage  
parts, even if they are from 1976.
Bill

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tar as original as 
possible (and keep the original parts if you change =
them). From what you say, 
one of the problems is the grounding of the g=
uitar. Probably using some contact 
cleaner and checking the soldering c=
ould solve some of the problems. Regarding 
the pickups, once you have c=
hecked the pots, solderings and capacitors, if the 
squealing continues =
you have to found a good technician and make him wax them 
again. This i=
sn't difficult to do, but a qualified technician is required, in 
order =
not to break the pickups, since the pickup covers have to be unsoldered and resoldered to wax them.

Ciao
Luigi


>----Messag=
gio originale----
>Da: louie.angulo@googlemail.com
>Data:
 13/08/2011 18.20
>A: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c=
om>
>Ogg: Re: Hardware shopping for Les Paul
>
>he=
y guys Luigie,Ingo and Bill thanx a lot for your advice,my Les Paul
>=
Standard Natural is actually a 1976 and not a 74, sorry my bad.
>Ive =
heard or read somewhere sometime that there were some changes
>around=
 that time withthin the gibson company and changes as far as
>quality=
 of components as well,so i really dont know how valuable that
>origi=
nal hardware is on the 76 LPs.
>anyway here is a pic of one,this is e=
xactly how mine looks
>
>http://www.guitar-museum=
.com/uploads/guitar/999/88025-1.jpg
>
>The pickups squeal r=
eally bad i cant even use the overdrive full
>blast,though clean is n=
o
 issue,you think thats electronic issues
>rather than the pickups the=
mselves?
>Also the toggle switch creates sort of a static noise and s=
eems to
>amplify the tone buttons when you touch them so thats why i =
want to
>get all those parts as well if neccesary.
>thanx guys =
ill be checking out your recomendations.
>Luis
>
>
>=
;
>
>On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:05 AM, William Walker <billwalke=
r@baymoon.com> 
wrote:
>> If =A0my experience buying and=
 selling vintage guitars over the last 30 years
>> carries any wei=
ght with you Louis , my advice to you is if it is stock, I
>> woul=
d only replace gears with kluson or klusen style =A0reproductions that 
=
fit
>> the exact footprint, several good quality ones are availabl=
e from WD and
>> Allparts. don't ream out your tuner holes for
 larger tuners if you can help
>> it. it will de-value your instru=
ment. Are yours the tulip shaped metal ones
>> with gibson stamped=
 on the back, or do they have plastic buttons? =A0If its
>> alread=
y been done before, try to at least match the foot print of the newer
&g=
t;> tuners rather than make new holes. getting a new nut and having fret=
 work
>> done is essential and won't effect the guitars value, the=
 bridge, is most
>> likely bowed by this point, the result of year=
s of string tension, and the
>> commonly held belief =A0that screw=
ing a stop tail piece all the way down 
gives
>> you more susta=
in and better coupling, true to an extent, but it will also
>> inc=
rease the likely hood of string breakage, and the afore mentioned bridge>> warping, and hey its a les paul, its got the sustain thing happen=
ing. =A0also
>> its probably prone to vibration issues as its
 gotten stressed over the
>> years. So you will need to get a brid=
ge and i would suggest a tone pros
>> tune-amatic as they have set=
 screw anchor reinforcements so they couple
>> better. ditto with =
the stop tail piece, keep your originals. As far as the
>> tone co=
ntrols go, they often can be revived with some contact cleaner and
>&=
gt; the toggle switches and jack can be re-tensioned, so again replace only=
 if
>> you have to. =A0ditto with the pickups, though in this case=
 if you really 
want
>> a change keep the old ones and avoid ro=
uting if at all possible. As far as
>> humbucking pickups go if yo=
u are going for a classic sound bear in mind 
that
>> you proba=
bly have a maple neck that sounds brighter than a mahogany neck so
>&=
gt; a slightly overwound pickup might darken it up a bit to compensate. I l=
ike
>> pickups with alnico II magnets,they are warmer with
 better sustain than
>> alnico v's or ceramics. =A0Duncan makes so=
me great ones and they would 
sweeten
>> up a maple neck guitar=
. I suspect your guitar is suffering form fret issues
>> bridges i=
ssues =A0nut issues and tuner issues and electronic issues not
>> =
related to the pickups, and if you get those taken care of first, you might=

>> find you like the sound of the stock pickups.
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Ancient Single coils, Bill Walker says they are P90's .

...and as everyone knows by now
made of wood.

andy butler

  I thought I said they loook like P-90's, that SG type instrument you  
own that  I assume is japanese in origin is unlike any I've seen, and  
I'm wondering if you have ever looked under the hood to see what they  
are, the wood covers almost look home made. are you pulling my leg and  
is this some kind of Brian May style creation you cooked up over  
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  I agree with you, totally prefer the more defined top end and bass  
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andy =
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 I =
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that  I assume is japanese in origin is unlike any I've seen, and =
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are, the wood covers almost look home made. are you pulling my leg and =
is this some kind of Brian May style creation you cooked up over butter =
biscuits and tea with your Dad from a 16th century fireplace mantle, =
Come clean Andy B.
 I agree =
with you, totally prefer the more defined top end and bass of single =
coils even though i don't play true single coils, my noiseless models =
behave the same way, easier to layer parts with out becoming muddy in =
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Well done Todd, wish i could have been there to bear witness. nice to  
hear the inside skinny on Laurie Anderson, I hadn't heard  as  
flattering things about her significant other, but then he's been a  
rock star for a long time and I hear they get bitchy in their later  
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which we tend to assume but isn't always the case.
Bill

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Yes indeed, Bill, I can attest to rock stars becoming a legend in their own
mind and having tunnel vision, eliminating kindness, generosity,
friendliness and workability from their ways of being. I've seen it all too
often. It's a peculiar animal, and perhaps if I'd been robbed of my privacy
in that (well, perhaps more like having sold off my privacy), I might have
some of the same illness, but I'd like to think not. Never mind that he's a
true legend already, it'still no excuse. Laurie does remain largely "what
you see is what you get"

Thanks for the kind words, Bill, I would have enjoyed sharing it with all m=
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t
any face time, and that made me happy.  A fellow looper to be sure.  A good
time was had by all and we look forward to the next time.  What was truly a
kick was to have some good ole real-time live looping be a centerpiece of
the set.

All the best to you, and to all.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Walker wro=
te:

> Well done Todd, wish i could have been there to bear witness. nice to hea=
r
> the inside skinny on Laurie Anderson, I hadn't heard  as flattering thing=
s
> about her significant other, but then he's been a rock star for a long ti=
me
> and I hear they get bitchy in their later years :-) Always nice to hear s=
ome
> one is as cool as their music, which we tend to assume but isn't always t=
he
> case.
> Bill
>
>


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Yes indeed, Bill, I can attest to rock stars becoming a legend in their own=
 mind and having tunnel vision, eliminating kindness, generosity, friendlin=
ess and workability from their ways of being. I've seen it all too ofte=
n. It's a peculiar animal, and perhaps if I'd been robbed of my pri=
vacy in that (well, perhaps more like having sold off my privacy), I might =
have some of the same illness, but I'd like to think not. Never mind th=
at he's a true legend already, it'still no excuse. Laurie does rema=
in largely "what you see is what you get"



Thanks for the kind words, Bill, I would have enjoyed sharin=
g it with all my brethren and sistren on the list. =A0Lou Rossi was there, =
though we didn't get any face time, and that made me happy. =A0A fellow=
 looper to be sure. =A0A good time was had by all and we look forward to th=
e next time. =A0What was truly a kick was to have some good ole real-time l=
ive looping be a centerpiece of the set.




All the best to you, and to all. =A0

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.c=
om> wrote:



Well done Todd, wish i could have been ther=
e to bear witness. nice to hear the inside skinny on Laurie Anderson, I had=
n't heard =A0as flattering things about her significant other, but then=
 he's been a rock star for a long time and I hear they get bitchy in th=
eir later years :-) Always nice to hear some one is as cool as their music,=
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Hey thanks everyone for the thoughtful replies on the subject of =
pickups.

Looks like I'm gonna try another flight from the Seymour Duncan menu: a =
Hot Rails humbucker in the bridge position, a Little '59 in the mid, and =
a noiseless single-coil at the neck.=20

If these don't do, I am gonna have a look at those Kinmans, Bill!

Phil

p.s. upside of being Strat-less this week is the rediscovery of a FINE =
piece of gear I have not used in over 20 years: A Rane FMI 14 1-in, =
4-out Mic/Line submixer. For amplifying my acoustics, both of which have =
an old but still sweet Countryman phantom-powered pickup on board. The =
Rane has an XLR mic and 1/4" line input, two balanced and two unbalanced =
1/4" outputs, a really nuanced adjustable 3-band EQ, 48v phantom power, =
20db pad, two aux sends and a freaking INSERT. LOL. Built like a tank, =
quiet as outer space, and all crammed into a half rack unit. Totally =
forgot about this thing....



On Aug 11, 2011, at 11:20 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:

> Phil,
>=20
> I don't know if this question was purely rhetorical or not.
>=20
> I tend to favor Seymour Duncans (since I used to work there in the =
'90s).
>=20
> Specifically, I favor humbuckers, but occasionally I want that snarky =
single coil notch position Strat sound, so I use switches for coil =
tapping on them.
>=20
> My Gibson RD has a JB in the bridge position and a Jazz in the neck.
>=20
> My 3-pickup Surfmaster has the same but with a 59 in the middle =
position between them.
>=20
> Alas, my Tele copy is just a Tele copy with whatever stock no-name =
pickups it came with.
>=20
> It's mighty quiet for just having single coils though.
>=20
> Yeah, noisy pickups can be a bugger if you're looping.
>=20
> I have a Jazz Bass that's a bit noisy, and my Surfmaster used to have =
P-90s which were sortta prone to hum and buzz despite having a very =
creamy-glassy sound that was way cool otherwise.
>=20
> I hate extraneous noise though.
>=20
> But sometimes you run across a guitar that sounds so good despite some =
little niggling extra hum or noise that it's a keeper anyway.
>=20
> Sorry to hear that you didn't like your new pickups.
>=20
> Duncan makes a couple of different kinds of single-coil sized =
humbuckers.
>=20
> There are the "Rails" variety and the "Stacked" varieties  . . . and =
they also make a very narrow side-by-side model typified by the George =
Lynch Sreamin' Demon model.
>=20
> Frankly they make so many different kinds of pickups these days, and I =
have been so long out of the loop in the industry, that you'd be better =
off to get a current catalog from them (or any other manufacturer you =
favor) and check what the tone charts say for each model.
>=20
> Some sort of hum-canceling type of pickup may be required to get rid =
of the noise - or much better shielding in the wiring and control cavity =
(and double check the soldering joints while you're at it).
>=20
> Just suggestions.
>=20
> Best,
>=20
> Ted
>=20
> On Aug 11, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
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>> Say LD-people,
>>=20
>> What kinds of pickups are you using in your electric guitars?
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Hey =
thanks everyone for the thoughtful replies on the subject of =
pickups.

Looks like I'm gonna try another flight from =
the Seymour Duncan menu: a Hot Rails humbucker in the bridge position, a =
Little '59 in the mid, and a noiseless single-coil at the =
neck. 

If these don't do, I am gonna have =
a look at those Kinmans, =
Bill!

Phil

p.s. upside =
of being Strat-less this week is the rediscovery of a FINE piece of gear =
I have not used in over 20 years: A Rane FMI 14 1-in, 4-out =
Mic/Line submixer. For amplifying my acoustics, both of which have an =
old but still sweet Countryman phantom-powered pickup on board. The Rane =
has an XLR mic and 1/4" line input, two balanced and two unbalanced 1/4" =
outputs, a really nuanced adjustable 3-band EQ, 48v phantom power, 20db =
pad, two aux sends and a freaking INSERT. LOL. Built like a tank, quiet =
as outer space, and all crammed into a half rack unit. Totally forgot =
about this =
thing....



On Aug 11, 2011, at 11:20 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:

Phil,

I don't know if this question was purely =
rhetorical or not.

I tend to favor Seymour Duncans (since I used =
to work there in the '90s).

Specifically, I favor humbuckers, but =
occasionally I want that snarky single coil notch position Strat sound, =
so I use switches for coil tapping on them.

My Gibson RD has a JB =
in the bridge position and a Jazz in the neck.

My 3-pickup =
Surfmaster has the same but with a 59 in the middle position between =
them.

Alas, my Tele copy is just a Tele copy with whatever stock =
no-name pickups it came with.

It's mighty quiet for just having =
single coils though.

Yeah, noisy pickups can be a bugger if =
you're looping.

I have a Jazz Bass that's a bit noisy, and my =
Surfmaster used to have P-90s which were sortta prone to hum and buzz =
despite having a very creamy-glassy sound that was way cool =
otherwise.

I hate extraneous noise though.

But sometimes =
you run across a guitar that sounds so good despite some little niggling =
extra hum or noise that it's a keeper anyway.

Sorry to hear that =
you didn't like your new pickups.

Duncan makes a couple of =
different kinds of single-coil sized humbuckers.

There are the =
"Rails" variety and the "Stacked" varieties  . . . and they also =
make a very narrow side-by-side model typified by the George Lynch =
Sreamin' Demon model.

Frankly they make so many different kinds =
of pickups these days, and I have been so long out of the loop in the =
industry, that you'd be better off to get a current catalog from them =
(or any other manufacturer you favor) and check what the tone charts say =
for each model.

Some sort of hum-canceling type of pickup may be =
required to get rid of the noise - or much better shielding in the =
wiring and control cavity (and double check the soldering joints while =
you're at it).

Just =
suggestions.

Best,

Ted

On Aug 11, 2011, at 10:23 =
PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

Say =
LD-people,

What kinds of =
pickups are you using in your electric =
guitars?


=

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On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Phil Clevenger
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> Looks like I'm gonna try another flight from the Seymour Duncan menu: a Hot
> Rails humbucker in the bridge position, a Little '59 in the mid, and a
> noiseless single-coil at the neck.


Interesting! Please post your impressions and maybe recordings when
you get it up'n running :-) Over here I have a Little '59 in the
bridge position on my fretless Telecaster. A recording posted at
http://www.youtube.com/user/perboysen?feature=mhee#p/u/8/bC7TezpLHKI

Good luck with the tone hunting!

Per

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al Museum in London last week. Part of it is actually made out of a commode=
.
Holy shit!

G



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From: revfever@ubergadget.com
Subject: semi OT: The Oram
Date: Sat=2C 13 Aug 2011 11:58:33 -0700


Absolutely fascinating!  What a RARE FIND!  Enjoy....
Cheers=2CRev. FeverPortland=2CORhttp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
'In order to create music on the Oram=2C a composer painted waveforms direc=
tly onto 35mm film strips which were fed into the machine. Inside=2C photo-=
electronic cells read the light pattern and interpreted it as sound.'
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2011/08/pioneering-electronic-instru=
ment-rediscovered-in-france.html
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/13/kraftwerk-who-pioneering-50s-synthesizer=
-unearthed-in-french/

PS-Excellent comment. I fully agree.
'Excellent article. Though people may joke and say they can get that sound =
with a five dollar app=2C i think their missing the point of any history le=
sson - knowing your roots. and if you like music this is one of those roots=
. and if you like tech=2C this is one of those roots. its important to reme=
mber iphones didnt drop out of the sky=2C they came by decades of work befo=
re that=2C many often just tinkering in the name of science=2C and often i =
think in this age of cynacism we forget to acknowledge or appreciate the li=
mits that people pushed with the years of hard work it took for us to be ab=
le to write a song on our phones.'       		 	   		  =

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I attended a lecture on it some months ago and went to see it at the Nation=
al Museum in London last week. Part of it is actually made out of a commode=
.
Holy shit!

G



To: Lo=
opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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ct: semi OT: The Oram
Date: Sat=2C 13 Aug 2011 11:58:33 -0700



Absolutely fascinating!  =3BWhat a RARE FIND!  =3BEnjoy....

Cheers=2C
Rev. Fever
Portland=2C=
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'In o=
rder to create music on the Oram=2C a composer painted waveforms directly o=
nto 35mm film strips which were fed into the machine. Inside=2C photo-elect=
ronic cells read the light pattern and interpreted it as sound.'
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/=
08/13/kraftwerk-who-pioneering-50s-synthesizer-unearthed-in-french/


PS-Excellent comment. I fully agree.

'Excellent article. Though people may joke and s=
ay =3Bthey can get that sound with a =3Bfive dollar app=2C i think =
their missing the point of any history lesson - knowing your roots. and if =
you like music this is one of those roots. and if you like tech=2C this is =
one of those roots. its important to remember iphones didnt drop out of the=
 sky=2C they came by =3Bdecades of work before that=2C many often just =
tinkering in the name of science=2C and often i think in this age of cynaci=
sm we forget to acknowledge or appreciate the limits that people pushed wit=
h the years of hard work it took for us to be able to write a song on our p=
hones.'  =3B  =3B  =3B
 		 	   		  

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Hi Bill,
before I strummed it away(in the early 80's), there was the word "Hi-Fi"
on the scratchplate.

So I reckon that refers to this:-

http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/gallery/solids/sol63.html

which is news to me, I had no idea.
..confirmed here, more or less

http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/vintage-hofner/solids/sol8.html
...which is close enough, I'd guess mine is a somewhat cheaper 
model.

I always thought that it was made in Germany in the 70's,
 and that for some reason
it was cheaper to use wood for the p/u than plastic.

When I bought the guitar I didn't even try it through an amp,
I remember working my way along a rack of cheap guitars twanging
just the top E till I found one that sounded the best acoustically.
It only 'got good' after a re-fret and a Schaller bridge. 

andy






William Walker wrote:
> Ancient Single coils, Bill Walker says they are P90's .
> 
> ...and as everyone knows by now
> made of wood.
> 
> andy butler
> 
>  I thought I said they loook like P-90's, that SG type instrument you 
> own that  I assume is japanese in origin is unlike any I've seen, and 
> I'm wondering if you have ever looked under the hood to see what they 
> are, the wood covers almost look home made. are you pulling my leg and 
> is this some kind of Brian May style creation you cooked up over butter 
> biscuits and tea with your Dad from a 16th century fireplace mantle, 
> Come clean Andy B.
>  I agree with you, totally prefer the more defined top end and bass of 
> single coils even though i don't play true single coils, my noiseless 
> models behave the same way, easier to layer parts with out becoming 
> muddy in the mid range. Bill

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. 08.16.11 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents XII DECADE.2
THE PiNG's 12TH ANNiVERSARY featuring GEEK WEEKEND
+ TRANSMORPHOUS SOUND ENSEMBLE +
quasiMODAL + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS
@ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market
     just south of College  .  Map, info and directions at:
     http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact
     Tues. August 16th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 8:30 . $6

8:30 . TRANSMORPHOUS SOUND ENSEMBLE . Formed in February
2009 by Chris Meloche and Richard Moule as a forum for sonic
creation in which the two participants create an atmosphere in
which sounds can organically grow and morph into ever-changing
soundscapes. To achieve this goal, the duo utilize traditional
musical instruments in a non-traditional manner.

Meloche plays a table-top guitar which is processed through several
digital processing devices while Moule uses as similar approach on
the violin. Both performers also make use of prepared recordings
(environmental, media etc...) which are also manipulated beyond
recognition. It is this gradual and deliberate melding of
complimentary and contrasting elements which succeeds in
the creation of an organic, immersive soundscape environment.

The works created by the Transmorphous SE are completely
spontaneous and "in the moment" but with a definite feeling that
the sounds have been arranged in a very deliberate manner. The
duo communicate within the confines of a sonic palette which
slowly and progressively twists and turns in a pattern which
resembles a living organism. The listener is enveloped by the
sound and drawn into an alien soundscape which is somehow
rooted in a cloak of familiarity. Sounds slowly appear and
disappear while the passage of time suddenly becomes
an irrelevant concept.

9:30 . GEEK WEEKEND . The geeks return for another summer
sizzler. Robert Hoare (Berlin) and Steven Sauvé (Hamilton) look
forward to bringing you all manner of sultry sounds, drenched in
absurdity, and dripping with irony. No computers have been
harmed in the making of this music. ADVISORY: Random
processes are used throughout the performance.

10:30 . quasiMODAL . a floating electro-acoustic improv trio/quartet
with punch and a sense of humour, melting together cheryl o
on cello and effects, Steven Sauvé on keys and synths,
Eric St.Laurent on guitar, and Robert Hoare on saxes, clarinet,
lap steele and laptop. Mixing all genres from classical to jazz with
general silliness, quasiMODAL fuses electronic and looping
technologies as well as 'unusual' noise makers, creating textures,
rhythms and soundscapes layered with cello. August 16th's PiNG
Anniversary will feature Andrew Aldridge stepping in for Eric on
guitar - Andrew is welcomed as a long-time veteran of the PiNG,
as well as a founder of the Planet of the Loops and cheryl o's
earliest conspirator.

. GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . It wouldn't be an anniversary
without the unique evolving lights of General Chaos Visuals
providing us with mesmerizing eye candy of painted lights
projected onto a canvas of performers.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

COMiNG SOON

. TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 13th 2011 . RAMAC 305
featuring NAW + ORTIZ + LANDON SPEERS

@ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market
     just south of College  .  Map, info and directions at:
     http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact
     PiNG doors open at 8 . 1st set at 8:30 . $6

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of
audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG
presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic,
soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo,
darkwave and experimental artists from around the world.
http://www.theambientping.com

The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates
and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events.
Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com

We're also on facebook too, again just search THE AMBiENT PiNG.
http://www.facebook.com

ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things:
http://www.pingthings.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or
appropriate newsgroups. Thanks.

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I add this just to make you folks chuckle in this thread:

I'm having the woman who makes the pickups for Rick Turner guitars custom
make me a pickup that is purposefully microphonic.

I'll have an on/off switch intsalled for it in my bastard pink fretless 
Stratocaster
so I can do some wicked physically controlled rhythmic square wave 
tremelo effects
and I want it to be as weird, anarchic and uncontrollable as possible 
and then
manipulate the results with my Rhythm & Noise Table I've built myself.

I remember back in Tao Chemical days (our 80's new wave band) that 
guitarist, Not Michael
had a tele that had microphonic pickups on it.

He used to shout into it and run the results through his tube Echoplex 
tape delay during
our strange little 'dub' sections of reggae tunes.

The vocals had the coolest sound and I've never heard vocals sound like 
that since.

Does anyone else have a guitar with microphonic pickups on it?
Any tips of wisdom for me?

rick walker

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Hi.

I keep thinking that it would be fun to make a 60 - 90 second piece, 
whose soundtrack was derived only from the audio section of that 
clip, and the video was derived only from the imagery. (This 
stricture might be loosened, since I would be cropping out all of the 
network logos and other visual distractions).

I'd want to do the project within at most two weeks, before the quote 
was buried under too many subsequent gaffes.

Anyone interested in doing the sound part?

-- 
"I rang a silent bell ..."  -- Robert Hunter
"cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan

My photography can be viewed at 
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Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com

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I was having similar thoughts around the Warren Jeffries audio tapes...

=
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ml.csp

Phil :)

On Aug 14, 2011, at 11:03 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote:

> Hi.
>=20
> I keep thinking that it would be fun to make a 60 - 90 second piece, =
whose soundtrack was derived only from the audio section of that clip, =
and the video was derived only from the imagery. (This stricture might =
be loosened, since I would be cropping out all of the network logos and =
other visual distractions).
>=20
> I'd want to do the project within at most two weeks, before the quote =
was buried under too many subsequent gaffes.
>=20
> Anyone interested in doing the sound part?
>=20
> --=20
> "I rang a silent bell ..."  -- Robert Hunter
> "cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob =
Dylan
>=20
> My photography can be viewed at =
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/
>=20
> My videos can be viewed at
> http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld
>=20
> 		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
> Video Producer and Digital Photographer	Image Processing =
Specialist
> Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
> http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com
>=20

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very helpful Matt thanks !!  -Michael

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I agree with Bill here...   I am a compulsive tinkerer and have 
modified nearly every bit of gear in my studio (and built much from 
scratch)...   Last week I happened upon a really nice original Fender 
Strat.. I played 15 Strats that day and this one really has something 
special.  It's a 1979.  In 1979 I built my first "strat" from parts 
and went through every possible pickup combination, etc.. I still 
have it, and it's a real frankenstein guitar.  At the time I built it 
I spent $792 on the parts alone. (a small fortune for a kid).  I'm 
certain that this guitar is not worth ANY money to anyone but me 
(It's a great guitar, but.. well...).   I see this "new" 1979 as a 
chance to explore the "road less traveled" (by me at least): To have 
a completely original stock factory built guitar with all of it's 
warts intact.    I did need to disassemble the guitar in order to 
remove 32 years of WAX from the finish (I swear I'll never never 
never use wax on a guitar again!!!) and restored it to it's original 
1979 splendor.
It now presents it self to me as a Zen Koan or a mystery.. when I 
play it I find myself exploring the idiosyncrasies of this 
instrument... and a funny thing is happening... I am hearing MYSELF 
emerge from the instrument, rather than the instrument...

Maybe I'll post some photos of it on the FB page..

-Chuck


>Microphonic pickups can be caused by a couple of things most likely 
>a lack of wax potting or the potting has drifted over time with heat 
>and gravity, also loose covers and or lack potting between the cover 
>and pickups can cause that too.  i actually like pickups that have 
>some micro phonics, as they pickup more of the wood tone and are 
>actually very controllable with medium overdrive, but will squeal 
>like little piggies with heavy distortion . Its possible to have 
>pickups half potted for the best of both worlds. oxidation over time 
>will make switches noisy. and it sounds like everything is maybe not 
>particularly well grounded. A good repair guy could cure all of 
>those issues, re-potting the pickups cleaning and or re-soldering 
>switches and pots.
>again. regarding Gibson in the 70's the spiral downward in quality 
>had as much to do with how the bodies and necks were  put together, 
>four piece bodies became 6 piece bodies, 1 piece necks became 5 
>piece necks (if you count the headstock wings.), all things that 
>were well in effect when your guitar was made, regardless these 
>guitars will go up in value and already have, and the more 
>components you remove the less stock it is and less valuable if you 
>choose to part with it someday. keep your components, Don't let a 
>repair guy talk you out of them for a discount on his work or new 
>components, he will turn around and sell them for a profit,  or use 
>them for a restoration project on a guitar that some else modified 
>the value out of. vintage parts are vintage parts, even if they are 
>from 1976.
>Bill


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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Charles Zwicky  wrote:
> never use wax on a guitar again!!!) and restored it to it's original 1979
> splendor.
> It now presents it self to me as a Zen Koan or a mystery.. when I play it I
> find myself exploring the idiosyncrasies of this instrument... and a funny
> thing is happening... I am hearing MYSELF emerge from the instrument, rather
> than the instrument...


Exactly that keeps happening to me too! I too started rebuilding stuff
around -79. First I unfretted a cheap Ibanez guitar, but pretty soon I
was swapping guitar PU's, necks and bridges to explore new sounds.
When I got into the tenor sax a few years later I destroyed three
expensive mouth-pieces before I managed to optimize the tone chamber
to give the tone I wanted. And it is funny that when you are a
beginner you don't always recognize the true sound of yourself in
instruments - although you band mates may hear this. By age and
experience you get to know what your sound is but it seems that in
most cases the actual player him/her-self is the last one to find out!
:-)  Today I'm not sure I would use the expression "hearing myself"
more... it is more like a certain expression that "wants to get out"
through you. I'm getting that feeling now from all kind of gear, even
software algorithms.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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Good for you, Matt! Good to see hard work paying off. :)

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Michael Peters  wrote:
> very helpful Matt thanks !! =A0-Michael
>
>

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rick:
this guitar:
http://s616.photobucket.com/albums/tt249/evanpeewee/?action=view¤t=Photo_38F72872-FFE8-FF99-7C9D-7B36D1C5F219.jpg

has a small microphone i put inbewteen my p90s,and i use on/off switches to
run them...
turn it on and w/ a little distortion, you get: FEEDBACK!!!
funny thing, is if you use it clean, and turn it on w/ the other pu's it
sounds quasi-piezo sounding....

works good for me. got the idea from the teuffel tesla (microphone is
hidden) and david torns koll tornado guitar (microphone is inupper horn of
guitar-i think saul koll probably puts better switches in for DT).

for feedback & effects it works GREAT!. i don't play w/ it a ton, but a nice
option....my guitars w/ out them, i always think, these are so plain!.

having a microphonic pu made???? just buy some crappy single coils off
ebay!!! i had an epiphone humbucker a few yrs ago, it was microphonic! but
it sounded great!!! should have kept that one. oh well. there is a great vid
of DT demoing his koll guitar, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuy0iWxpVXw

there are also some nice vids on youtube of the teuffel tesla and the noise
switches in action (feedback mic, 60 cycle hum switch, and killswitch)...i
have my own version of the 60 cycle hum switch-it's just a kill to the
ground, creates static....

good luck,
s---
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rick:


this guitar:




=A0


has a small microphone i put inbewteen my p90s,and i use on/off switch=
es to run them...


turn it on and w/ a little distortion, you get: FEEDBACK!!!


funny thing, is if you use it clean, and turn it on w/ the other pu=
9;s it sounds quasi-piezo sounding....


=A0


works good for me. got the idea from the teuffel tesla (microphone is =
hidden) and david torns koll tornado guitar (microphone is inupper horn of =
guitar-i think saul koll probably puts better switches in for DT).



=A0


for feedback & effects it works GREAT!. i don't play w/ it a t=
on, but a nice option....my guitars w/ out them, i always think, these are =
so plain!.


=A0


having a microphonic pu made???? just buy some crappy single coils off=
 ebay!!! i had an epiphone humbucker a few yrs ago, it was microphonic! but=
 it sounded great!!! should have kept that one. oh well. there is a great v=
id of DT demoing his koll guitar, here:



=A0



=A0


there are also some nice vids on youtube of the teuffel tesla and the =
noise switches in action (feedback mic, 60 cycle hum switch, and killswitch=
)...i have my own version of the 60 cycle hum switch-it's just a kill t=
o the ground, creates static....



=A0


good luck,


s---



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Hello, Loopy People.

My wife and I are travelling for six weeks in Europe - namely Holland,
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Paris and then London.

While I don't have any gigs booked, I am bringing a nice little setup
(including a WX-7 and a Softstep) and would love love love a chance to jam
with, or even just hang out with, some loopers or other strange musicians.

Drop me a line off-list if you're around those areas...


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My wife and I are travelling for si=
x weeks in Europe - namely Holland, Berlin, Vienna, Linz (Ars Electronica),=
 Prague, various parts of Italy, Paris and then London.




While I don't have any gigs booked, I am bringing a nice little se=
tup (including a WX-7 and a Softstep) and would love love love a chance to =
jam with, or even just hang out with, some loopers or other strange musicia=
ns.




Drop me a line off-list if you're around those area=
s...


Excelsior!

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Hi Tom=2C its Phill Wilson ...used to post under lol c and god knows what e=
lse... we met up in New York waaaay bak in the day at Kyma.
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all the best and Bon Travail
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Hello=2C Loopy People.


My wife and I are travelling for six weeks in Europe - namely Holland=2C Be=
rlin=2C Vienna=2C Linz (Ars Electronica)=2C Prague=2C various parts of Ital=
y=2C Paris and then London.


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Hi Tom=2C its Phill Wilson ...used to post under lol c and god knows what e=
lse... we met up in New York waaaay bak in the day at Kyma.

 =3B

I live in the UK 'up north =2C but =3BI do travel to London =3Bsome=
times at the moment so let me know the dates you will be in England and I w=
ill try my =3Bbest to resurn the hospitality...alternativly come up to =
Hull for a really fun time with my and some of my muso friends :)

 =3B

all the best and Bon Travail

 =3B

Phill
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My wife and I are travelling for six weeks in Europe - namely Holland=
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  very cool vids i thought id share them with you


 *Video 1
*

 *Video 2*

 Here are some cool interview links with Peter Gabriel and Bernard Sumner
from new order  as well.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C24fMX03_80

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2497890991859599201#

cheers
Luis
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very cool vids i thought id share them with you


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Here are some cool interview links with Peter Gabriel and Bernard Sumn=
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cheers


Luis


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Hi folks,

I've posted another video on You Tube -- 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYOCBJmHzCw

"Self-Referential" was recorded during  a duet set I played with Tom 
Plsek on trombone at Outpost 186. I hadn't seem Tom in a while when I 
attended a trio concert in March, and we decided to do a set together 
as part of my April Outpost show.

I was taking video at that show, and got some good footage of Tom. 
Trombone is one of the most visual instruments, so getting good shots 
was not hard.

I made a set of DVD's with imagery of Tom (both straight and heavily 
treated) and used them as source material during one of the pieces in 
the set. This video is a recording of that piece.

Tom's playing is very dynamic, and I did not think the straight 
recording would work for You Tube. Thanks to David Wolfman (my 
step-son), who did audio post production that tamed the dynamic,

It is scary to remember that first worked with Tom in 1973.
BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/
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Alright, finally going to drop some cash and get the lp1.

1) I want to run the LP1 as a slave to a drum machine. The ability to midi
sync all of the loops is absolutely necessary. How is the midi sync?
2) I've read that you can run up to six loops in a stable manner, but that
loops seven and eight get a little funky. That's fine with me, since
Looperlative @ $1,000 is cheaper than six EDPs @ $600.
3) I can fade in/out, mute, multiple, etc. all of the loops, correct?

Are there any cons that I should know about?

I plan to sell both of my edps to pay for this, so I want to make sure the
product is stable.

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Alright, finally going to drop some cash and get the lp1.

1) I want to run the LP1 as a slave to a drum machine. The ability to mid=
i sync all of the loops is absolutely necessary. How is the midi sync?

2) I've read that you can run up to six loops in a stable manner, =
but that loops seven and eight get a little funky. That's fine with me,=
 since Looperlative @ $1,000 is cheaper than six EDPs @ $600.

3) I can fade in/out, mute, multiple, etc. all of the loops, correct?
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Are there any cons that I should know about?
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I plan to sell both of my edps to pay for this, so I want to=
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marcus kirby wrote:
> Alright, finally going to drop some cash and get the lp1.
> 
> 1) I want to run the LP1 as a slave to a drum machine. The ability to 
> midi sync all of the loops is absolutely necessary. How is the midi sync?

Word on the Forum appears to be that 1.39 brings midi sync to incoming clock.

I haven't tried it though.

If the drum machine were to *follow* the LP1, then no worries at all.


> 2) I've read that you can run up to six loops in a stable manner, but 
> that loops seven and eight get a little funky. That's fine with me, 
> since Looperlative @ $1,000 is cheaper than six EDPs @ $600.

I had 8 loops running on LP1 just after I installed 1.39

...but I don't commonly use that many loops.

On the Forum a number of people claim problems.


> 3) I can fade in/out, mute, multiple, etc. all of the loops, correct?

Yep,
but Multiply is not the same as EDP.

if you're doing that "everything has to be on it's own track"
thing then you won't need Multiply, you'll just record a
new track that's a multiple (in length) of the master loop.

> 
> Are there any cons that I should know about?

Well, it won't do what an EDP does.
Depends how used to the edp quirks you got.
You'll have to plan out what LP1 commands you need 
to get your music to work.




andy



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On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:26 AM, andy butler  wrote:

> but Multiply is not the same as EDP.
>
> if you're doing that "everything has to be on it's own track"
> thing then you won't need Multiply, you'll just record a
> new track that's a multiple (in length) of the master loop.
>


Im wondering if there is a current maintained list of all Looperlative
functions, and importantly "how the operate". We all have our own
(mos)conceptions of how certain things woprk, depending on which looper you
are most used to from before.

The site is not specific, and the forum, of which I have trawled, is quite
difficult to get an overview for the NON owner, looking to buy.



-- 
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but Multiply is not the same as EDP.



if you're doing that "everything has to be on it's own track&q=
uot;

thing then you won't need Multiply, you'll just record a

new track that's a multiple (in length) of the master loop.


Im wondering if there is a current maintained list of a=
ll Looperlative functions, and importantly "how the operate". We =
all have our own (mos)conceptions of how certain things woprk, depending on=
 which looper you are most used to from before.



The site is not specific, and the forum, of which I have trawled, is qu=
ite difficult to get an overview for the NON owner, looking to buy. 



-- 
Mark Francombe=



www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


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Why not hang on to one EDP? It really is a different instrument in many =
ways, and while the LP1 is fun, you may miss the EDP...

On Aug 16, 2011, at 3:25 AM, mark francombe wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:26 AM, andy butler  =
wrote:
> but Multiply is not the same as EDP.
>=20
> if you're doing that "everything has to be on it's own track"
> thing then you won't need Multiply, you'll just record a
> new track that's a multiple (in length) of the master loop.
>=20
>=20
> Im wondering if there is a current maintained list of all Looperlative =
functions, and importantly "how the operate". We all have our own =
(mos)conceptions of how certain things woprk, depending on which looper =
you are most used to from before.
>=20
> The site is not specific, and the forum, of which I have trawled, is =
quite difficult to get an overview for the NON owner, looking to buy.=20
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> http://www.looop.no
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Why not hang on to one EDP? It really is a different instrument in many ways, and while the LP1 is fun, you may miss the EDP...

On Aug 16, 2011, at 3:25 AM, mark francombe wrote:

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:26 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:



but Multiply is not the same as EDP.



if you're doing that "everything has to be on it's own track"

thing then you won't need Multiply, you'll just record a

new track that's a multiple (in length) of the master loop.


Im wondering if there is a current maintained list of all Looperlative functions, and importantly "how the operate". We all have our own (mos)conceptions of how certain things woprk, depending on which looper you are most used to from before.



The site is not specific, and the forum, of which I have trawled, is quite difficult to get an overview for the NON owner, looking to buy. 



-- 
Mark Francombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe




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Hiya=2C=20

I have decided to thin down on my echoplex ownership to the tune of one EDP=
.

I am going to sell my youngest EDP its a Gibson Blackface EDP+ with loop4 (=
obv) also included is the footswitch and I will also throw in a DI box whic=
h is needed if like me you want to use it straight between a guitar and and=
 amp.

I have stuck it on Gumtree for =A3600 here...=20

http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/echoplex-digital-pro-extras-looper-better=
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But I would be open to LD offers .

Sorry but this is a UK sale only for simplicities sake.
Send
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Hiya=2C 

I have decided to thin down on my echoplex ownership to the=
 tune of one EDP.

I am going to sell my youngest EDP its a Gibson Bl=
ackface EDP+ with loop4 (obv) also included is the footswitch and I will al=
so throw in a DI box which is needed if like me you want to use it straight=
 between a guitar and and amp.

I have stuck it on Gumtree for =A3600=
 here... 

http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/echoplex-digital-pro-ext=
ras-looper-better-then-boss-rc-50-etc/85738251


But I would be op=
en to LD offers .

Sorry but this is a UK sale only for simplicities =
sake.
Send
thanks.

Phill


 		 	   		  

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hi Mark,
you mean the manual?
(yeah...ok...I know....couldn't resist it though)

http://www.looperlative.com/lp1-user-manual-1_38.pdf

that link is not easy to find though, I'd already sent you a copy before
I found it.

There's a 'Tips and Tricks' section in a wiki.

http://www.looperlative.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=LP1.TipsAndTricks

...but only has 2 tips.

andy

mark francombe wrote:
 
> Im wondering if there is a current maintained list of all Looperlative 
> functions, and importantly "how the operate". We all have our own 
> (mos)conceptions of how certain things woprk, depending on which looper 
> you are most used to from before.

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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Scott Hansen wrote:
> rick:
> this guitar:
> http://s616.photobucket.com/albums/tt249/evanpeewee/?action=view¤t=Photo_38F72872-FFE8-FF99-7C9D-7B36D1C5F219.jpg 
> 
> has a small microphone i put inbewteen my p90s,and i use on/off 
> switches to run them...
> turn it on and w/ a little distortion, you get: FEEDBACK!!!
Thanks so much, Scott!    It'll be a while before I can experiment but 
now I have the idea in my head.

Do you do much noise work yourself out of curiosity?

Rick Walker

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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote:
>
> The site is not specific, and the forum, of which I have trawled, is 
> quite difficult to get an overview for the NON owner, looking to buy. 
At the present time, unless 12 potential buyers get together for a group 
purchase,  the LP-1 is NOT available as a new purchase.
The units ended up being very expensive to manufacture and the only way 
Bob can make it profitable currently,  is if there is a group
purchase.    I've heard of probably a half a dozen people, currently who 
are interested in getting one, but it's going to take someone
doing research in all the forums and organizing something as far as I 
can tell.
Bob can correct me if anything has changed but that's the skinny up to now.

Rick Walker

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@ Andy Thanks for the manual... I had that, but thought that there had been
some upgrades? Just thought that maybe there had been new features..
whatever happened to getting the scramble as a beat div instead of slow med
fast (for example)
@Rick, Im not personally in the market for a LP1 (right now) but I am
consolidating some gear (Selling shit) and what it becomes later depends
very much on where Im intending to go musically. The LP1 might be
interesting to me, and the market for both LP1 and EDPs seems quite liquid
these days, Im sure I can get one used. Its a shame that Bob found the unit
too expensive to produce, and that frightens me, as I want a product that
will continue to be developed, especially if Ive spend 1000 dollars on it. =
I
know the LP2 is your baby, and that lil=B4honeychild looks "badass" (is tha=
t
the correct nomenclature?) however Im a fickle fool, and dont want a pedal,
Im rack-mount or die.
I might be clearing some rack-space for something else however, something
that is a little more than a twinkle in some clever peoples eyes...



--=20
*Mark Francombe*
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
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@ Andy Thanks for the manual... I had that, but thought that there had been=
 some upgrades? Just thought that maybe there had been new features.. whate=
ver happened to getting the scramble as a beat div instead of slow med fast=
 (for example)


@Rick, Im not personally in the market for a LP1 (right now) but I am conso=
lidating some gear (Selling shit) and what it becomes later depends very mu=
ch on where Im intending to go musically. The LP1 might be interesting to m=
e, and the market for both LP1 and EDPs seems quite liquid these days, Im s=
ure I can get one used. Its a shame that Bob found the unit too expensive t=
o produce, and that frightens me, as I want a product that will continue to=
 be developed, especially if Ive spend 1000 dollars on it. I know the LP2 i=
s your baby, and that lil=B4honeychild looks "badass" (is that th=
e correct nomenclature?) however Im a fickle fool, and dont want a pedal, I=
m rack-mount or die.


I might be clearing some rack-space for something else however, something t=
hat is a little more than a twinkle in some clever peoples eyes...

<=
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-- 
Mark Francombe

www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe


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mark francombe wrote:
> @ Andy Thanks for the manual... I had that, but thought that there had 
> been some upgrades? Just thought that maybe there had been new 
> features.. whatever happened to getting the scramble as a beat div 
> instead of slow med fast (for example)

That vers of the manual has all the current features afaik.
It's 1.38,  and the latest software, 1.39, just has bug fixes.

Doing Scramble as a beat div is still on the cards,
along with lots of other stuff.
...all delayed 'till after LP2 release.



andy

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Ha, so can anyone answer my original question about solid midi sync on all
eight tracks?
On Aug 17, 2011 3:17 AM, "andy butler"  wrote:
> mark francombe wrote:
>> @ Andy Thanks for the manual... I had that, but thought that there had
>> been some upgrades? Just thought that maybe there had been new
>> features.. whatever happened to getting the scramble as a beat div
>> instead of slow med fast (for example)
>
> That vers of the manual has all the current features afaik.
> It's 1.38, and the latest software, 1.39, just has bug fixes.
>
> Doing Scramble as a beat div is still on the cards,
> along with lots of other stuff.
> ...all delayed 'till after LP2 release.
>
>
>
> andy
>

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Ha, so can anyone answer my original question about solid midi sync on a=
ll eight tracks?


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t; wrote:
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>> @ =
Andy Thanks for the manual... I had that, but thought that there had 

>> been some upgrades? Just thought that maybe there had been new >> features.. whatever happened to getting the scramble as a beat di=
v 
>> instead of slow med fast (for example)
> 
> That=
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> It's 1.38,  and the latest software, 1.39, just has bug fixes.
=
> 
> Doing Scramble as a beat div is still on the cards,
> a=
long with lots of other stuff.
> ...all delayed 'till after LP2 r=
elease.

> 
> 
> 
> andy
> 


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marcus kirby wrote:
> Ha, so can anyone answer my original question about solid midi sync on 
> all eight tracks?
> 
;-) you if you read the replies.


andy
i.e.
the forum info says "six loops with mid sync is reliable",
but I haven't confirmed that with tests.

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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/110811.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                 Show #749                August 11, 2011.

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Tomas Weiss and
Mathias Grassow.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Quiet Calling II" on
Musical Philosophy Records.
TW + MG: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#aug

PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Paul Ellis           Watch the Stars Come From Out of the Vast Comes
                       Out One By One        Nearness (Lotuspike)
Joint Intelligence   Helioseismology      The Book of Roach (Bogus
   Committee                                 Focus)
M. Peck              Beckon the Call      Beneath Forever (Earth Mantra)
Modulatopr ESP       Live at electro-     Live in the USA 2009 (none)
                        music 2009

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Weiss and Grassow    Silence Calls I      Quiet Calling II (Musical
                                             Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Silence Calls II     Quiet Calling II (Musical
                                             Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Silence Calls III    Quiet Calling II (Musical
                                             Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Silence Calls IV     Quiet Calling II (Musical
                                             Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Silence Calls V      Quiet Calling II (Musical
                                             Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Silence Calls VI     Quiet Calling II (Musical
                                             Philosophy)

1:00 am

  * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on
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Bill
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Cool, missed your first response due to the "just woke up and checking
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So, six to a midi clock works stable?
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Cool, missed your first response due to the "just woke up and checking e-mail" syndrome.


So, six to a midi clock works stable?


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noise---oh, rick, i dabble in it, out of tune, rhythm-challenged noise etc,
that's my especiality....

i know for me, my "normal" guitars when i play them, i think, man i miss my
switches for noise, hum.....ha!!!

i need to do some more recording....

& whoops my soundclick page is: www.soundclick.com/HsAcNoStEtN

forgot i based it on my old mp3 page....whoops....

happy (noise) looping.....

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noise---oh, rick, i dabble in it, out of tune, rhythm-challenged noise=
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=A0


i know for me, my "normal" guitars when i play them, i think=
, man i miss my switches for noise, hum.....ha!!!


=A0


i need to do some more recording....


=A0


& whoops my soundclick page is: www.soundclick.com/HsAcNoStEtN


=A0


forgot i based it on my old mp3 page....whoops....


=A0


happy (noise) looping.....


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http://www.youtube.com/user/ReynOuwehand#p/u/12/2TmGL3neq7I

Enjoy!

Cheers,

Reyn.

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Reyn Ouwehand
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> Enjoy!

Enjoyed that a lot! I like that music style and you got it just right.
Few instruments played with big bad sound rather than layering a swarm
of wishy-washers ;-))  Very cool.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Swell stuff that Reyn.

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> Cheers,
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now that's the ambient that i like!






http://www.youtube.com/user/ReynOuwehand#p/u/12/2TmGL3neq7I

Enjoy!

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now that's the ambient that i like!=













 






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Wow!   I LOVE THIS 

Crow on rooster man!

Daniel 

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> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/ReynOuwehand#p/u/12/2TmGL3neq7I
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> Enjoy!
> 
> Cheers,
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Wow!   I LOVE THIS 

Crow on rooster man!

Daniel 

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this is fuckin awesome man! i'm really diggin' the groove

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote:

> Wow!   I LOVE THIS
>
> Crow on rooster man!
>
> Daniel
>
> On Aug 18, 2011, at 8:48 AM, michael klobuchar wrote:
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>
>
>
>  http://www.youtube.com/user/ReynOuwehand#p/u/12/2TmGL3neq7I
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> Cheers,
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> Reyn.
> www.reyn.netwww.reyn.net/studio
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this is fuckin awesome man! i'm really diggin' the groove

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Wow! =
=A0 I LOVE THIS=A0

Crow on rooster man!


Daniel=A0

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Good and working condition
=A380 ONO
Available to UK/Ireland

R

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Guess your wireless controller works well for you eh?

Its the way of the future I think.

Kevin

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> =A380 ONO
> Available to UK/Ireland
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> R
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Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
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Hi Rick,

A bit late perhaps, but I should mention this site: 
http://www.idesignsound.com/
Regarding the video side of apps, have a search for "VJ" in the app store, 
there are some "eye candy stuff" worth a look.

Ben


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> While we're at it: Here's a list of cool music apps that I've researched 
> for the iTouch/iPhone/iPad All of these can augment a live looping show so 
> the same caveat applies as the Video/Camera post I just made:
>
> GENERAL MUSIC APPS and BEATMAKERS
> BoomClap
> BeatMaker
> Voice Lab
> MixtikL
> FL Studio (Fruity Loops)
>
> LOOPING APPS:
> Loopy
> Voice Jam
> ImproVox
>
> SYNTHS:
> AFX
> Filtatron (MOOG)
> Aura
> DroneStation
> Aetherphone
> AeolianHarp
>
> NOISE:
> Bubble Harp
> Grid
> Noise Machine
> Bloom
> Sprak (!)
>
> ETHNIC INSTRUMENTS:
> Slit Drum
> Pan Drum Full
> Tongue Drum
> Hang Drum
> Bowls
> iTanpura Lite
> Tanpura Touch
> Ocarina
> iGayageum
> Gayageum
>
> OSC commands (to be used with Hans Lindauer's MISSING LINK
> OSC to MIDI converter:
> TouchOSC
>
> SONG RECOGNITION APPS:
> Shazam
> SoundHound
>
> Enjoy!    Rick Walker
> 

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It is working quite well, yes. :-)

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>
> Its the way of the future I think.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Ricky Graham
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>> =A380 ONO
>> Available to UK/Ireland
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>
>

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Yes! Already pre-ordered :) Love the vid, reminds me of those old "how many
things can you spot that don't belong with the rest" thingys.

j

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j

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GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY:                   http://galactictravels.info
=======================================================================
Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the
month-long Special Focus on Tomas Weiss and Mathias Grassow.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Farewell" on Musical Philosophy
Records.  Details are at the Special Focus page at:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#aug

I will also play music by Modulator ESP who will play at the
Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, September 4.

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
FM.  Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet.

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Thanks guys! And more is coming up.. the whole concert was so much fun!

On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:11 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:

> Swell stuff that Reyn.
>=20
> On Aug 18, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote:
>=20
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/ReynOuwehand#p/u/12/2TmGL3neq7I
>>=20
>> Enjoy!
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>>=20
>> Reyn.
>>=20
>> www.reyn.net
>> www.reyn.net/studio
>=20

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Wow

Was this just a concert or will there be an accompanying album w/ this =
collab? Sounds sooooo good Reyn!

I need this on my iPod to fuel my running:)

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> http://www.youtube.com/user/ReynOuwehand#p/u/12/2TmGL3neq7I
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> Enjoy!
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
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>=20
> www.reyn.net
> www.reyn.net/studio
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No, this was again just once in a lifetime concert. Like most of the =
"Reyn vs ...". Actually it's also without any rehearsing. People do =
their thing and I just glue myself to it. Though I do send them video's =
with what I'm planning to do and we check some beginnings and endings =
during the soundcheck.. that's it.... Adrenaline ftw!!

Although I wouldn't mind to do some re-matches once in a while. Good =
idea.. saves me some work too.. :-)

On Aug 19, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Todd Matthews wrote:

> Wow
>=20
> Was this just a concert or will there be an accompanying album w/ this =
collab? Sounds sooooo good Reyn!
>=20
> I need this on my iPod to fuel my running:)
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> On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote:
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>> http://www.youtube.com/user/ReynOuwehand#p/u/12/2TmGL3neq7I
>>=20
>> Enjoy!
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>>=20
>> Reyn.
>>=20
>> www.reyn.net
>> www.reyn.net/studio
>>=20

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What's your minimum requirements for loop technology?
For a performance or enjoyment.

Mine:

Record
Overdub
Multiply
Feedback control


.and if you had to expand that in order to really let rip...

A second loop, synced at cycle level., capable of being in parallel or 
series.
Half speed.
Reverse.
Loop Copy (aka Bounce) from one loop to the other.

andy

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To those four I would add (minimally):

Volume control of the loop (independent of the original signal, not =
wet/dry mix).

Full stop - erase (clear loop).

On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:55 AM, andy butler wrote:

> What's your minimum requirements for loop technology?
> For a performance or enjoyment.
>=20
> Mine:
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> Record
> Overdub
> Multiply
> Feedback control

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tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote:
> To those four I would add (minimally):
> 
> Volume control of the loop (independent of the original signal, not wet/dry mix).
> 
> Full stop - erase (clear loop).

oh, of course.
With the EDP the erase is included in Rec,
...but it's pretty annoying when a looper doesn't
have easy access to Erase.

Vol of the loop is an interesting one, I'd be happy
if it was fixed to the same vol as the input, or maybe a
fraction quieter.

andy

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Important as those 4 are, if i had to restrict to 4 i would lose
feedback control In favour of replace. I tend not to layer sounds so
much as keep the loop changing, so i need the ability to remove
portions of the loop. But as replace is really an overdub with
feedback at zero, maybe ill change my opinion...

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Wheres this going Andy...?

...loops synched at cycle level, with ability to be In series or parralel ????

What looper is that of which you speak? Or is it a looper that is yet
to be, the "deep thought" of loopers?

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What's multiply? Is that basically turning a one bar loop into a two
bar loop, etc?

Ignorantly,

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andy butler  was all:
> What's your minimum requirements for loop technology?
> For a performance or enjoyment.
>
> Mine:
>
> Record
> Overdub
> Multiply
> Feedback control
>
>
> .and if you had to expand that in order to really let rip...
>
> A second loop, synced at cycle level., capable of being in parallel or
> series.
> Half speed.
> Reverse.
> Loop Copy (aka Bounce) from one loop to the other.
>
> andy
>
>

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andy butler schrieb:
> What's your minimum requirements for loop technology?
> For a performance or enjoyment.
Interesting...some years ago, I would've said "Record, first loop 
capability (as Rick calls it), multiple tracks, MIDI sync". Now I agree 
with your list (and would add the first loop capability, but I believe 
you would also require that?)
> Mine:
>
> Record
> Overdub
> Multiply
> Feedback control
Looking from it from the other side: which loopers do offer that? In the 
lower price range for hardware loopers, the only ones I can think of are 
delays, such as the DD20...

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yes, and being able to loop over top of that at the same time!


On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Matt Davignon wro=
te:

> What's multiply? Is that basically turning a one bar loop into a two
> bar loop, etc?
>
> Ignorantly,
>
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> andy butler  was all:
> > What's your minimum requirements for loop technology?
> > For a performance or enjoyment.
> >
> > Mine:
> >
> > Record
> > Overdub
> > Multiply
> > Feedback control
> >
> >
> > .and if you had to expand that in order to really let rip...
> >
> > A second loop, synced at cycle level., capable of being in parallel or
> > series.
> > Half speed.
> > Reverse.
> > Loop Copy (aka Bounce) from one loop to the other.
> >
> > andy
> >
> >
>
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yes, and being able to loop over top of that at the same time!=A0

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What's multiply? Is that basically turn=
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bar loop, etc?



Ignorantly,



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andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.=
co.uk> was all:

> What's your minimum requirements for loop technology?

> For a performance or enjoyment.

>

> Mine:

>

> Record

> Overdub

> Multiply

> Feedback control

>

>

> .and if you had to expand that in order to really let rip...

>

> A second loop, synced at cycle level., capable of being in parallel or=


> series.

> Half speed.

> Reverse.

> Loop Copy (aka Bounce) from one loop to the other.

>

> andy

>

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Hmmm, that would be nice.

Gino Robair showed me a brand new echo pedal last night that does only
a 15 second loop, but it's allegedly capable of pitch bends (as if a
tape loop). Unfortunately he was without batteries or power source for
the pedal, so he wasn't able to show it to me, and I don't remember
what it was. It was about the same size as a regular stomp box.

Yeah...I'm all sorts of useful.

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I was like:
>> What's multiply? Is that basically turning a one bar loop into a two
>> bar loop, etc?
>>

Then todd reynolds was all:
> yes, and being able to loop over top of that at the same time!
>

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On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, andy butler  wrote:
> What's your minimum requirements for loop technology?
> For a performance or enjoyment.

- Record
- Multiply
- Substitute
- Grade of substitution for the Substitute
- Rate Shift (two modes: seamless and quantized to half note pitch)

For these I'd like a three level sync/time system close to the classic
EDP; Subcycle, Cycle, Loop (where Cycle equals the length of the first
created loop). Quantizing options for the commands would be useful.

Greetings from Sweden

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I think mine minimum would be a two button beast:

1. Rec/Overdub/Play button that Multiplies with double click

2. Stop button, erases all with long press



On Aug 19, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, andy butler  =
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>> For a performance or enjoyment.
>=20
> - Record
> - Multiply
> - Substitute
> - Grade of substitution for the Substitute
> - Rate Shift (two modes: seamless and quantized to half note pitch)
>=20
> For these I'd like a three level sync/time system close to the classic
> EDP; Subcycle, Cycle, Loop (where Cycle equals the length of the first
> created loop). Quantizing options for the commands would be useful.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
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1. Random loop (random record, play, overdub, reverse, forewad, double 
speed, half speed, random speed, random buffer, etc)
2. Stop the madness

:)



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1. Rec/Overdub/Play button that Multiplies with double click

2. Stop button, erases all with long press

3. Slot for storing 1 or 2 reefers when creative juices aren't flowing


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1. Rec/Overdub/Play button that Multiplies with double click

2. Stop button, erases all with long press


3. Slot for storing 1 or 2 reefers when creative juices aren't flowing


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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/110818.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                 Show #750                August 20, 2011.

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Tomas Weiss and
Mathias Grassow.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Farewell" on Musical
Philosophy Records.
TW and MG: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#aug

I also played music by Modulator ESP who will perform at the Soundscapes
Concert Series on Sunday, September 4.  See the events page for details.
Events: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Modulatopr ESP       Dystopia 2046 *      Histori Edition Vol. 5 (none)
Saul Stokes          Pocket Universe      Sleek Nucleus (Stokesmusic)
Numina               The Dark Air         Subterranean Landscapes
                                             (Numinamusic)
Erik Wollo           Part 1               Silent Currents (Projekt)
Erik Wollo           Part 2               Silent Currents (Projekt)
Erik Wollo           Part 3               Silent Currents (Projekt)
Erik Wollo           Part 4               Silent Currents (Projekt)
Weiss and Grassow    The Mystical Dance   Farewell (Musical Philosophy)

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Weiss and Grassow    A Divine Gift        Farewell (Musical Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    The Orbit            Farewell (Musical Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Zen Moodra           Farewell (Musical Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Cermonial Trance     Farewell (Musical Philosophy)
Weiss and Grassow    Koan                 Farewell (Musical Philosophy)

1:00 am

  * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on
Tomas Weiss and Mathias Grassow.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be
"Ornaments" on Thar Records.

Bill
========================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info
Listen to WDIY on-line.

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Hello all,

Pardon the commercial intrusion but I have a good friend who is moving
to New Zealand and cannot take his studio of toys with him.  And so,
this list.

If you are interested in anything, let me know and I'll send you his
address and phone and you can work out the details.  This is from a
very good friend of mine so I will vouch for the safety of this sale.

If any of the prices seem too high, you can try to work it out with
him after I send you the contact info.

Thanks for looking,

Kevin


MOTU MIDI Express XT MIDI router/merger $200
Yamaha TG77 FM synth $250
Kurzweil K2000RS VAST synth $350
Waldorf microWave XT wavetable synth $1,100
Lexicon Vortex effects processor $200
Midiman Delta 1010 AD/DA converter $200
Yamaha AW2816 mixer/recorder $400
Fostex FR-2 field recorder $750
Mackie 1202 mixer $50
Roland TD-7 drum synth $150
Rack (with bolts and rubber washers) $50
Yamaha MJC8 MIDI router $25
Yamaha P-140 electric piano $500
Midiman Flying Cow AD/DA converter $150
Midiman Audio Buddy preamp $40
Panasonic SV3800 DAT $50
Panasonic SV4100 DAT $50
Yamaha MT120 4 track cassette recorder $50
Event PS5 studio monitors (pair) $200
Maudio BX10s sub-woofer $250
Roland A-80 controller keyboard $300
Korg Kontrol49 controller keyboard $150
CAD Equitek E-100 supercardioid microphone $150
Audio Technica AT-815a shotgun microphone $85

--=20
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

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THOUGHT RADIO:                       http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio
=======================================================================
My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show,
will be Saturday, August 20 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4.  I will continue the
special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase
One.  I will also play music by Modulator ESP who will play at the
Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, September 4.

I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show
features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an
eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive
Rock.

Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at
http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html

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Ello ello looping kin,

The Deli New England has put me in their August "Artist of the Month" poll
and I need your help to win!

1. Please go here: http://newengland.thedelimagazine.com/
2. On the right side of the screen look for an orange box that says "artist
of the month poll."
3. Click "Vote"
4. Then pick Daniel Harris.

Why is this important? Because if I win, The Deli will give me lots of
publicity which I need (and some studio-time which is also great).

If you could please share a few minutes of your day to vote for me that
would be great! Polls close on the 31st.

Thanks!!


love,
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Ello ello looping kin, 

The Deli New England has put me in their Aug=
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1. Please go here: http://newengland.thedelimagazine.com/

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rtist of the month poll."
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 Daniel Harris.

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l=
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Done Daniel, but I felt a little sorry for Molly Zenobia!
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Done Daniel, but I felt a little sorry for Molly Zenobia!
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Todd Matthews wrote:
> I think mine minimum would be a two button beast:
> 
> 1. Rec/Overdub/Play button that Multiplies with double click
> 
> 2. Stop button, erases all with long press
> 

...and it doesn't bother you it's a long press then another
press in order to re-record a loop?

That's my criticism of the ubiquitous Rec/Overdub button.
I always want Rec available for seamless repair of a dodgy
first loop, or for instant scene change.


Matt Davignon wrote:
> What's multiply? Is that basically turning a one bar loop into a two
> bar loop, etc?

yep, anything like that.

There's a number of implementations.

Either Instantly make the loop longer.

Or you start the function and keep overdubbing over copies
of the old loop till the new one's long enough.

Can also be called Re-Sample (Vox VDL-1)

EDP and LP1 can do a mult which copies writes to a new loop.
(aka Bounce)

>> Multiply
>> Feedback control
> Looking from it from the other side: which loopers do offer that?

Mostly if you have first loop capability (i.e. tapping to start recording
then tapping to immediately start loop playback at choosen length) 
you don't get feedback control.

Matt Davignon wrote:
 
> Gino Robair showed me a brand new echo pedal last night that does only
> a 15 second loop, but it's allegedly capable of pitch bends (as if a
> tape loop). Unfortunately he was without batteries or power source for
> the pedal, so he wasn't able to show it to me, and I don't remember
> what it was. It was about the same size as a regular stomp box.

Pigtronix Echolution?

mark francombe wrote:
> Wheres this going Andy...?

just interested really, 
especially the idea that the "best" looping device 
maybe turns out to be not much different to the 
minimum required.


I expect the parallel/series loops synced at Cycle level
will end up in Matthias' looper eventually, though currently
it's series only.

andy


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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:23 AM, daniel  wrote:
> win!

Yo-da-man-now-dog!!!  :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Where is your friend based out of now/where would the gear be shipping from?



Thanks
Daniel
www.iamdanielharris.com

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Pardon the commercial intrusion but I have a good friend who is moving
> to New Zealand and cannot take his studio of toys with him.  And so,
> this list.
>
> If you are interested in anything, let me know and I'll send you his
> address and phone and you can work out the details.  This is from a
> very good friend of mine so I will vouch for the safety of this sale.
>
> If any of the prices seem too high, you can try to work it out with
> him after I send you the contact info.
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> MOTU MIDI Express XT MIDI router/merger $200
> Yamaha TG77 FM synth $250
> Kurzweil K2000RS VAST synth $350
> Waldorf microWave XT wavetable synth $1,100
> Lexicon Vortex effects processor $200
> Midiman Delta 1010 AD/DA converter $200
> Yamaha AW2816 mixer/recorder $400
> Fostex FR-2 field recorder $750
> Mackie 1202 mixer $50
> Roland TD-7 drum synth $150
> Rack (with bolts and rubber washers) $50
> Yamaha MJC8 MIDI router $25
> Yamaha P-140 electric piano $500
> Midiman Flying Cow AD/DA converter $150
> Midiman Audio Buddy preamp $40
> Panasonic SV3800 DAT $50
> Panasonic SV4100 DAT $50
> Yamaha MT120 4 track cassette recorder $50
> Event PS5 studio monitors (pair) $200
> Maudio BX10s sub-woofer $250
> Roland A-80 controller keyboard $300
> Korg Kontrol49 controller keyboard $150
> CAD Equitek E-100 supercardioid microphone $150
> Audio Technica AT-815a shotgun microphone $85
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>
>

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Where is your friend based out of now/where would the gear be shipping from=
? 


Thanks
Daniel
www.iamdanielharris.com 

On Fri, Au=
g 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all,



Pardon the commercial intrusion but I have a good friend who is moving

to New Zealand and cannot take his studio of toys with him. =A0And so,

this list.



If you are interested in anything, let me know and I'll send you his
address and phone and you can work out the details. =A0This is from a

very good friend of mine so I will vouch for the safety of this sale.



If any of the prices seem too high, you can try to work it out with

him after I send you the contact info.



Thanks for looking,



Kevin





MOTU MIDI Express XT MIDI router/merger $200

Yamaha TG77 FM synth $250

Kurzweil K2000RS VAST synth $350

Waldorf microWave XT wavetable synth $1,100

Lexicon Vortex effects processor $200

Midiman Delta 1010 AD/DA converter $200

Yamaha AW2816 mixer/recorder $400

Fostex FR-2 field recorder $750

Mackie 1202 mixer $50

Roland TD-7 drum synth $150

Rack (with bolts and rubber washers) $50

Yamaha MJC8 MIDI router $25

Yamaha P-140 electric piano $500

Midiman Flying Cow AD/DA converter $150

Midiman Audio Buddy preamp $40

Panasonic SV3800 DAT $50

Panasonic SV4100 DAT $50

Yamaha MT120 4 track cassette recorder $50

Event PS5 studio monitors (pair) $200

Maudio BX10s sub-woofer $250

Roland A-80 controller keyboard $300

Korg Kontrol49 controller keyboard $150

CAD Equitek E-100 supercardioid microphone $150

Audio Technica AT-815a shotgun microphone $85



--

Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a

form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<=
br>


- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)



Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org

Video =
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Harry is currently in the Petaluma, CA area.

Kevin

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om?
>
>
> Thanks
> Daniel
> www.iamdanielharris.com
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Pardon the commercial intrusion but I have a good friend who is moving
>> to New Zealand and cannot take his studio of toys with him. =A0And so,
>> this list.
>>
>> If you are interested in anything, let me know and I'll send you his
>> address and phone and you can work out the details. =A0This is from a
>> very good friend of mine so I will vouch for the safety of this sale.
>>
>> If any of the prices seem too high, you can try to work it out with
>> him after I send you the contact info.
>>
>> Thanks for looking,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>> MOTU MIDI Express XT MIDI router/merger $200
>> Yamaha TG77 FM synth $250
>> Kurzweil K2000RS VAST synth $350
>> Waldorf microWave XT wavetable synth $1,100
>> Lexicon Vortex effects processor $200
>> Midiman Delta 1010 AD/DA converter $200
>> Yamaha AW2816 mixer/recorder $400
>> Fostex FR-2 field recorder $750
>> Mackie 1202 mixer $50
>> Roland TD-7 drum synth $150
>> Rack (with bolts and rubber washers) $50
>> Yamaha MJC8 MIDI router $25
>> Yamaha P-140 electric piano $500
>> Midiman Flying Cow AD/DA converter $150
>> Midiman Audio Buddy preamp $40
>> Panasonic SV3800 DAT $50
>> Panasonic SV4100 DAT $50
>> Yamaha MT120 4 track cassette recorder $50
>> Event PS5 studio monitors (pair) $200
>> Maudio BX10s sub-woofer $250
>> Roland A-80 controller keyboard $300
>> Korg Kontrol49 controller keyboard $150
>> CAD Equitek E-100 supercardioid microphone $150
>> Audio Technica AT-815a shotgun microphone $85
>>
>> --
>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl=
e.
>>
>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>>
>> Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>>
>
>



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- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos

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voted!
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Thanks for your help so far, y'all!

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OK initial results are in.

New pickups are all Seymour Duncans. Installed in my heavily modded =
1970's Frankencaster.

Classic Stack / Bridge
This thing is the surprise star of the show. It's a noiseless, high =
output take on a single-coil pickup config. Weirdly bright for a bridge =
position pup, and super deep and glassy. It's everything I had hoped the =
earlier set would be (Fender Customs and Seymour SSL, all true single =
coils), and more. Cannot believe I'm getting so much musicality from =
this pickup. Really reset my expectations around what a pickup can be.

Li'l 59 / Mid
I am not familiar with the whole PAF-style pickup thing, so i am still =
adjusting to this one. Not sure what it wants to be. It's not bad, and =
it is quiet. Main upside at the moment is that when using this and the =
Hot Rails (see next paragraph) together, they produce an incredibly =
authentic, heavily "quacky" strat sound (think "Have a Cigar" only more =
so) that is just marvelous. On its own, it seems a Zelig-esque thing. =
Jury is still out but I have no immediate disqualifications :) If it =
fails to grow on me, I may look into a second Classic Stack here at some =
point.

Hot Rails / Neck
This does exactly what I wanted to do: hastily retreat from my failed =
single-coil experiment, into the safety of a more familiar =
humbucker/blade territory, but doing so in the physical space of a =
single coil. It's a perfectly fine humbucker. Sounds like a humbucker =
ought to. But compared to the Classic Stack, the sound is a tad =
compressed, not nearly the depth there. But maybe that's just what we =
get with humbuckers. I may look at the Hot Stack for this position: a =
hot single coil setup but in a fat blade config... might get me what I =
have always expected from a single coil but with the sustain and tail of =
the humbuckers. Again, perfectly fine pup - but the Classic Stack set =
the bar a bit higher, so i may keep chasing.... :)


I'm accustomed to thinking of my bridge pickup as the parent, and the =
others as children; different slices of the same instrument. But moving =
between the Hot Rails and the Classic Stack, it's truly like moving =
between two separate guitars. In a good way. Super fun :)

Incidentally too, I had the Roland GK pickup assembly removed... the =
VG99 never succeeded in grabbing my heart, and I think created some =
unpleasant distance between me and my instrument. Any VG-99ers out there =
think I made a bad call?

Onward,

Phil :)




On Aug 13, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Phil Clevenger
>  wrote:
>> Looks like I'm gonna try another flight from the Seymour Duncan menu: =
a Hot
>> Rails humbucker in the bridge position, a Little '59 in the mid, and =
a
>> noiseless single-coil at the neck.
>=20
>=20
> Interesting! Please post your impressions and maybe recordings when
> you get it up'n running :-) Over here I have a Little '59 in the
> bridge position on my fretless Telecaster. A recording posted at
> http://www.youtube.com/user/perboysen?feature=3Dmhee#p/u/8/bC7TezpLHKI
>=20
> Good luck with the tone hunting!
>=20
> Per
>=20


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OK =
initial results are in.

New pickups are all Seymour =
Duncans. Installed in my heavily modded 1970's =
Frankencaster.

Classic Stack / =
Bridge
This thing is the surprise star of the show. It's a =
noiseless, high output take on a single-coil pickup config. Weirdly =
bright for a bridge position pup, and super deep and glassy. It's =
everything I had hoped the earlier set would be (Fender Customs and =
Seymour SSL, all true single coils), and more. Cannot believe I'm =
getting so much musicality from this pickup. Really reset my =
expectations around what a pickup can =
be.

Li'l 59 / Mid
I am not =
familiar with the whole PAF-style pickup thing, so i am still adjusting =
to this one. Not sure what it wants to be. It's not bad, and it is =
quiet. Main upside at the moment is that when using this and the Hot =
Rails (see next paragraph) together, they produce an incredibly =
authentic, heavily "quacky" strat sound (think "Have a Cigar" only more =
so) that is just marvelous. On its own, it seems a Zelig-esque thing. =
Jury is still out but I have no immediate disqualifications :) If it =
fails to grow on me, I may look into a second Classic Stack here at some =
point.

Hot Rails / Neck
This =
does exactly what I wanted to do: hastily retreat from my failed =
single-coil experiment, into the safety of a more familiar =
humbucker/blade territory, but doing so in the physical space of a =
single coil. It's a perfectly fine humbucker. Sounds like a humbucker =
ought to. But compared to the Classic Stack, the sound is a tad =
compressed, not nearly the depth there. But maybe that's just what we =
get with humbuckers. I may look at the Hot Stack for this position: a =
hot single coil setup but in a fat blade config... might get me what I =
have always expected from a single coil but with the sustain and tail of =
the humbuckers. Again, perfectly fine pup - but the Classic Stack set =
the bar a bit higher, so i may keep chasing.... =
:)


I'm accustomed to thinking of =
my bridge pickup as the parent, and the others as children; different =
slices of the same instrument. But moving between the Hot Rails and the =
Classic Stack, it's truly like moving between two separate guitars. In a =
good way. Super fun :)

Incidentally too, I had =
the Roland GK pickup assembly removed... the VG99 never succeeded in =
grabbing my heart, and I think created some unpleasant distance between =
me and my instrument. Any VG-99ers out there think I made a bad =
call?

Onward,

Phil =
:)




On=
 Aug 13, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

On =
Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Phil Clevenger
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> =
wrote:
Looks like I'm gonna try another =
flight from the Seymour Duncan menu: a Hot
Rails humbucker in the bridge position, a Little '59 in =
the mid, and a
noiseless =
single-coil at the neck.


Interesting! Please =
post your impressions and maybe recordings when
you get it up'n =
running :-) Over here I have a Little '59 in the
bridge position on =
my fretless Telecaster. A recording posted at
http://www.youtube.com/user/perboysen?feature=3Dmhee#p/u/8/bC7TezpLH=
KI

Good luck with the tone =
hunting!

Per


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Just got this on a harmonica list I'm on ....just thought id pass it on

Kyle Dean Patten=20
P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patten+
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--- On Sun, 8/21/11, Richard Hunter  wrote:

From: Richard Hunter 
Subject: [HarpTalk] Digitech JamMan Solo and Stereo loopers review
To: "harp-l@harp-l.org" , "harptalk" 
Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 10:32 AM

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=0Ahttp://www.hunterharp.com/gear-review-a-tale-of-two-loopers/
=0A
=0ABottom line: nice gear. The Stereo gets the edge if you've got the money=
.
=0A
=0ARegards, Richard Hunter
=0A
=0Aauthor, "Jazz Harp"=20
=0Alatest mp3s and harmonica blog at http://hunterharp.com
=0AMyspace http://myspace.com/richardhunterharp
=0AVids at http://www.youtube.com/user/lightninrick
=0Amore mp3s at http://taxi.com/rhunter
=0ATwitter: lightninrick
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From: Richard Hunter <=
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Subject: [HarpTalk] Digitech JamMan Solo an=
d Stereo loopers review
To: "harp-l@harp-l.org" <harp-l@harp-l.org>=
;, "harptalk" <harptalk@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 21, =
2011, 10:32 AM

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Solo and Stereo, to my website at:
=0Ah=
ttp://www.hunterharp.com/gear-review-a-tale-of-two-loopers/
=0A
=
=0ABottom line: nice gear. The Stereo gets the edge if you've got the money=
.
=0A
=0ARegards, Richard Hunter
=0A
=0Aauthor, "Jazz Harp" =0Alatest mp3s and harmonica blog at http://hunterharp.com
=0AMyspace http://myspace.com/richardhunterharp
=0AVids at h=
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Interesting-I am using looping along with harmonica, it frees up my hands to
play chromatic-

Richard came to my gig and sat in, nice guy and very progressive with regard
to harmonica processing.

There's a handful of us here doing both-beatboxing a loop to play harmonica
over is very popular.

None of the new Digitech loopers has feedback control!!

  _____  

From: K D Patten [mailto:kdpatten@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:45 AM
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Fw: [HarpTalk] Digitech JamMan Solo and Stereo loopers review

 


Just got this on a harmonica list I'm on ....just thought id pass it on

Kyle Dean Patten 
P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA  50131           
 
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Kyle+Dean+Patten+
     

--- On Sun, 8/21/11, Richard Hunter  wrote:


From: Richard Hunter 
Subject: [HarpTalk] Digitech JamMan Solo and Stereo loopers review
To: "harp-l@harp-l.org" , "harptalk"

Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 10:32 AM

  

Hi all,

I've posted a review of two of my favorite loopers, the Digitech JamMan Solo
and Stereo, to my website at:
http://www.hunterharp.com/gear-review-a-tale-of-two-loopers/

Bottom line: nice gear. The Stereo gets the edge if you've got the money.

Regards, Richard Hunter

author, "Jazz Harp" 
latest mp3s and harmonica blog at http://hunterharp.com
Myspace http://myspace.com/richardhunterharp
Vids at http://www.youtube.com/user/lightninrick
more mp3s at http://taxi.com/rhunter
Twitter: lightninrick

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Interesting—I am using =
looping along with harmonica, it frees up =
my hands
to play chromatic—



Richard came to my gig and sat in, =
nice
guy and very progressive with regard to harmonica =
processing.



There’s a handful of us here =
doing
both—beatboxing a loop to play harmonica over is very =
popular.



None of the new Digitech loopers =
has
feedback control!!















From: K D =
Patten
[mailto:kdpatten@yahoo.com] 

Sent: Sunday, August 21, =
2011 8:45
AM

To: =
loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com

Subject: Fw: [HarpTalk] =
Digitech
JamMan Solo and Stereo loopers review






 




 

  
  
Just got =
this on
  a harmonica list I'm on ....just thought id pass it =
on

  

  Kyle Dean Patten =


P.O. Box 22 Johnston,
   IA  50131  =
;        
  

  http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patten+

      
  

  

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Richard
   Hunter <turtlehill@earthlink.net>
  wrote:

  


  From: Richard Hunter
  <turtlehill@earthlink.net>

  Subject: [HarpTalk] Digitech JamMan Solo and Stereo loopers review

  To: "harp-l@harp-l.org" <harp-l@harp-l.org>,
  "harptalk" <harptalk@yahoogroups.com>

  Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 10:32 AM

  

  
  


  

  

  

  
Hi all,

  

  I've posted a review of two of my favorite loopers, the Digitech =
JamMan Solo
  and Stereo, to my website at:

  http://www.hunterharp.com/gear-review-a-tale-of-two-loo=
pers/

  

  Bottom line: nice gear. The Stereo gets the edge if you've got the =
money.

  

  Regards, Richard =
Hunter

  

  author, "Jazz Harp" 

  latest mp3s and harmonica blog at http://hunterharp.com

  Myspace http://myspace.com/richardhunterharp

  Vids at http://www.youtube.com/user/lightninrick

  more mp3s at http://taxi.com/rhunter

  Twitter: lightninrick

  

  

  
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http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2011/110820.html

The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts.  When I am
at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix
of other genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on
WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet.  I also host Afterglow
every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.
Afterglow: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow

                     Show #205                    August 20, 2011.

On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music
magazine.  Each contemporary issue comes with a CD.  However, the early
issues came with a cassette.  The cassettes from issues one through
thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic
slip covers with artwork and track details.  Details are at:
http://sequencesmagazine.com

On this program, I played music by Modulator ESP who will play at the
Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, September 4, at 8:00 pm.
http://soundscapes.us


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Modulator ESP        From Outer Spaces *  From Outer Spaces (none)
VA [Paul Nagle]      Herne's Tale         Sequences No. 15
VA [Sean Spence]     Prayer               Sequences No. 15
VA [Fonya]           China                Sequences No. 15
Remy                 Destination: Berlin  i-Dentity (Ricochet Dream)
                        Part 1


Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Keith Driskill       Miracle of           A Time of Innocence (none)
                        Forgiveness
Keith Driskill       Lover's Farewell     A Time of Innocence (none)
Keith Driskill       Muir Woods           A Time of Innocence (none)
Lisa Hilton          B Minor Waltz        Underground (Ruby Slippers)
Ed Gerhard           Promised Land        House of Guitars (Virtue)
Fiora                We Become            Blue Muse (none)


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Lunatic Soul         Transition           Lunatic Soul 2 (K-scope)
Riverside            Goodbye Sweet        Memorires In My Head (Laser's
                        Innocence            Edge)
Hatfield and the     Born Again           Hattitude (none)
   North                Crustacean
Hatfield and the     Elevenses            Hattitude (none)
   North
Ben Craven           Diabolique           Great & Terrible Potions
                                             (Desert Comb)
Ben Craven           Nobody Dies Forever  Great & Terrible Potions
                        part 1               (Desert Comb)
Ben Craven           Aquamarine *         Great & Terrible Potions
                                             (Desert Comb)


  * = excerpt
++ = Advanced CDR from artist
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that
come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine.  I will
also play music by Modulator ESP who will perform at the Soundscapes
Concert Series on Sunday, September 4, at 8:00 pm.
http://soundscapes.us

Bill Fox
========================================================================
Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every
other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4.
Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music.
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio
Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line.

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On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:55 AM, andy butler wrote:

> What's your minimum requirements for loop technology?
> For a performance or enjoyment.
>=20
> Mine:
>=20
> Record
> Overdub
> Multiply
> Feedback control
>=20
>=20
> .and if you had to expand that in order to really let rip...
>=20
> A second loop, synced at cycle level., capable of being in parallel or =
series.
> Half speed.
> Reverse.
> Loop Copy (aka Bounce) from one loop to the other.

That would pretty much match mine.

Two loops with loop copy pretty much requires both a copy & switch and a =
switch. I was always a bit frustrated on the EDP that you could only =
copy into another loop if it was empty. I understand why, but I really =
wanted an easy way to work around that limitation (without having to =
enlist a complicated controller since otherwise the EDP controller =
worked nicely).

Mark

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On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:22 AM, andy butler wrote:

> tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:
>> To those four I would add (minimally):
>> Volume control of the loop (independent of the original signal, not =
wet/dry mix).
>> Full stop - erase (clear loop).
>=20
> oh, of course.
> With the EDP the erase is included in Rec,
> ...but it's pretty annoying when a looper doesn't
> have easy access to Erase.
>=20
> Vol of the loop is an interesting one, I'd be happy
> if it was fixed to the same vol as the input, or maybe a
> fraction quieter.

Interestingly, the Boomerang III has feedback control but it's on a =
knob. The pedal jack is for loop volume. I believe that's getting =
revised in the latest release to support pedal control over feedback.

My use of feedback tends to be in one of three modes:

* 0%: I want a single repeat of the loop. It's basically a long delay. =
This is mostly useful when working with parallel loops.

* 100%: I'm trying to build up a seamless overdub.

* Some value in between for evolving the loop. The point here being that =
I don't necessarily vary this a lot while playing. I just need an =
"evolve" setting.

Mark

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First loop capability =3D the ability to set loop length at record time?

I guess I just sort of assumed that as a defining characteristic of a =
looper as opposed to a delay.

Interesting to see the mention of the DD-20 as one of the few pedals =
with feedback control given that it doesn't offer foot control.

One of the other interesting problems in these minimum requirements is =
how many buttons can you get away with? One button for Rec -> ( Overdub =
-> Play )* seems to work pretty well. Rec -> ( Play -> Overdub )* less =
so. But this is more for the single track looper (even if it's stereo). =
When you got to multiple parallel tracks, you start needing stop/start =
support per track which is probably why the Boomerang ended up with Rec =
-> ( Play -> Stop )* though this makes seamless loops tricky.

And then there's the question of how many things you can tolerate as =
long presses. These can impair timing or have to be carefully structured =
so that an action can start on button press but can transition cleanly =
when the press turns out to be a long press. But, for example, a long =
press of a Rec -> ( Overdub -> Play ) button after a loop was recorded =
could undo any material overdubbed during the long press and instead =
double the length of the loop. This works as long as the loop isn't too =
short. Or it could transition to EDP-style free multiply when entering =
overdub, but it might then be difficult to drop back into overdub. It's =
a balance between having too many buttons to remember and excessively =
complicated operations using the buttons that are available.

Mark

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On Aug 21, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote:

>  I was always a bit frustrated on the EDP that you could only copy =
into another loop if it was empty.


I've been copying into non-empty loops by setting Quantize =3D Loop or =
Cycle, and SwitchQuant =3D CNF. Then I can press NextLoop, and at my =
leisure press Multiply. Then regardless of the next loop's content, at =
the next quantized point it starts to lay in the current loop's cycles =
until you tell it to stop.

I'd like that to be easier - as you would too I imagine :D  But it works =
:)

Phil :)=

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(I guess technically that's not copying into nextLoop, but =
multiplying...!)

On Aug 21, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

>=20
> On Aug 21, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote:
>=20
>> I was always a bit frustrated on the EDP that you could only copy =
into another loop if it was empty.
>=20
>=20
> I've been copying into non-empty loops by setting Quantize =3D Loop or =
Cycle, and SwitchQuant =3D CNF. Then I can press NextLoop, and at my =
leisure press Multiply. Then regardless of the next loop's content, at =
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until you tell it to stop.
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> I'd like that to be easier - as you would too I imagine :D  But it =
works :)
>=20
> Phil :)

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Yep, my main technique on EDP is copying to another loop, and it
certainly works for loops that aren't empty.
...and it works with the EDP's own foot controller.


Incidentally the EDP Quantise setting does not affect the timing of 'Next',
...if you need it quantised then there are alternate settings of
SwitchQuant. 

..and it does get easier..just keep using it ;-)


andy



Phil Clevenger wrote:
 
>> On Aug 21, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote:
>>
>>> I was always a bit frustrated on the EDP that you could only copy into another loop if it was empty.
>>
>> I've been copying into non-empty loops by setting Quantize = Loop or Cycle, and SwitchQuant = CNF. Then I can press NextLoop, and at my leisure press Multiply. Then regardless of the next loop's content, at the next quantized point it starts to lay in the current loop's cycles until you tell it to stop.
>>
>> I'd like that to be easier - as you would too I imagine :D  But it works :)
>>
>> Phil :)
> 
> 

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Try Next Loop > Multiply ...this copys regardless of  the loops content.

> Date: Mon=2C 22 Aug 2011 09:50:23 +0100
> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Minimum Requirements(EDP loopcopy)
>=20
> Yep=2C my main technique on EDP is copying to another loop=2C and it
> certainly works for loops that aren't empty.
> ...and it works with the EDP's own foot controller.
>=20
>=20
> Incidentally the EDP Quantise setting does not affect the timing of 'Next=
'=2C
> ...if you need it quantised then there are alternate settings of
> SwitchQuant.=20
>=20
> ..and it does get easier..just keep using it =3B-)
>=20
>=20
> andy
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Phil Clevenger wrote:
> =20
> >> On Aug 21=2C 2011=2C at 10:42 PM=2C Mark Hamburg wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was always a bit frustrated on the EDP that you could only copy int=
o another loop if it was empty.
> >>
> >> I've been copying into non-empty loops by setting Quantize =3D Loop or=
 Cycle=2C and SwitchQuant =3D CNF. Then I can press NextLoop=2C and at my l=
eisure press Multiply. Then regardless of the next loop's content=2C at the=
 next quantized point it starts to lay in the current loop's cycles until y=
ou tell it to stop.
> >>
> >> I'd like that to be easier - as you would too I imagine :D  But it wor=
ks :)
> >>
> >> Phil :)
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
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Try Next Loop >=3B Multiply ...this copys regardless of =3B the loops=
 content.

>=3B Date: Mon=2C 22 Aug 2011 09:50:23 +0100
>=
=3B From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli=
ght.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Minimum Requirements(EDP loopcopy)
>=3B=
 
>=3B Yep=2C my main technique on EDP is copying to another loop=2C a=
nd it
>=3B certainly works for loops that aren't empty.
>=3B ...a=
nd it works with the EDP's own foot controller.
>=3B 
>=3B 
&g=
t=3B Incidentally the EDP Quantise setting does not affect the timing of 'N=
ext'=2C
>=3B ...if you need it quantised then there are alternate sett=
ings of
>=3B SwitchQuant. 
>=3B 
>=3B ..and it does get easi=
er..just keep using it =3B-)
>=3B 
>=3B 
>=3B andy
>=3B=
 
>=3B 
>=3B 
>=3B Phil Clevenger wrote:
>=3B  
>=
=3B >=3B>=3B On Aug 21=2C 2011=2C at 10:42 PM=2C Mark Hamburg wrote:>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B I was always a bit frustr=
ated on the EDP that you could only copy into another loop if it was empty.=

>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B I've been copying into non-e=
mpty loops by setting Quantize =3D Loop or Cycle=2C and SwitchQuant =3D CNF=
. Then I can press NextLoop=2C and at my leisure press Multiply. Then regar=
dless of the next loop's content=2C at the next quantized point it starts t=
o lay in the current loop's cycles until you tell it to stop.
>=3B >=
=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B I'd like that to be easier - as you would =
too I imagine :D  But it works :)
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B&g=
t=3B Phil :)
>=3B >=3B 
>=3B >=3B 
>=3B 
 		 	 =
  		  

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Hi folks,

It seems the Strymon Timeline finally has a price and is up for
pre-order. $449 seems reasonable for the feature set, but sadly more
than I have right now.

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On second thoughts I may have to find the money. I just flicked
through the manual and this thing looks better than I expected. Plenty
of decent delay models (including a nice tape delay with wow and
flutter) which can be routed pre or post the 30 second stereo looper,
the entire unit can be controlled via midi, the looper can play in the
background while you continue to to tweak the delays, and it even has
midi clock sync.

-m

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This is the second batch. The first batch sold out in 5 min. roughly  
6-8 weeks ago. You can read a ton of reviews--pro and con--on The Gear  
Page.

Jeff


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I really does seem a great delay and the looper is stereo! sigh, no feedback
control however that I could find in the manual...

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Jeff Shirkey  wrote:

> This is the second batch. The first batch sold out in 5 min. roughly 6-8
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I really does seem a great delay and the looper is stereo! sigh, no feedbac=
k control however that I could find in the manual...

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>=20
> ...and it doesn't bother you it's a long press then another
> press in order to re-record a loop?
>=20
> That's my criticism of the ubiquitous Rec/Overdub button.
> I always want Rec available for seamless repair of a dodgy
> first loop, or for instant scene change.

I never thought about record in that way. Thanks for the tip Andy.

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That's right. I forgot about Next > Multiply. It's just Next > Overdub =
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for the guys who only use one rack mount and tablet mount  item and  
don't want to lug a rack case. Designed by my buddy Lance Reegan-Diehl  
who i get to see once a year at NAMM he lives in as he lives and works  
Souel Korea.
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  pretty cool
  Bill
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for the guys who only use one rack mount and tablet mount  item and don't want to lug a rack case. Designed by my buddy Lance Reegan-Diehl who i get to see once a year at NAMM he lives in as he lives and works Souel Korea.
 pretty cool
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Neat=2C sweet=2C petit!



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I was all:
>> Gino Robair showed me a brand new echo pedal last night that does only
>> a 15 second loop, but it's allegedly capable of pitch bends (as if a
>> tape loop). Unfortunately he was without batteries or power source for
>> the pedal, so he wasn't able to show it to me, and I don't remember
>> what it was. It was about the same size as a regular stomp box.
>

then Andy Butler was like:
> Pigtronix Echolution?

So now I'm all:
Just heard back from Gino. It's the TC Electronic Flashback. According
to TC Electronics page, it might be only 6 seconds of looping, which
would make it not much more impressive than the DOD DFX-94s I've used
for years. (I currently use two of those to help me get drones out of
a drum machine.)

Sorry - according to Gino, the echoes are pretty impressive, but the
looper leaves a lot to be desired.


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So a new Live Sampling/looping piece. This time a play around a "scale" I "=
discovered" no idea what it is but it sounds vaguely middle eastern.. start=
 as small D D+ (a micro tone between D and D#) C# idea against a G drone an=
d the i added G=2C G#=2C A#=2C B and F.... (let me know if you can identify=
 this scale)
trying to stay on the quite minimalist side (despite LFO's altering sample =
length on one of the loops and a lot of use of Digital distortion from the =
octatrack=2C some sequenced things as well of course)
http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/the-lost-apprentice-of-the
Greetings from Tr=E5ngsund - Sweden =3B-) 		 	   		  =

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So a new Live S=
ampling/looping piece. This time a play around a "scale" I "discovered" no =
idea what it is but it sounds vaguely middle eastern.. start as small D D+ =
(a micro tone between D and D#) C# idea =3Bagainst =3Ba G drone and=
 the i added G=2C G#=2C A#=2C B and F.... (let me know if you can identify =
this scale)
trying =3Bto stay on the quite minimalist side (despite LFO=
's altering sample =3Blength =3Bon one of the loops and a lot of us=
e of Digital =3Bdistortion =3Bfrom the octatrack=2C some sequenced =
things as well of course)


Greetings fr=
om Tr=E5ngsund - Sweden =3B-)
 		 	   		  

=

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Marvelous! So cool that you manage to stay withing the emotion and not
kill the music by overplaying. Really nice one, Anders. :-)  The music
constantly evolves - and at the same time not. Weird magic.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Anders Bergdahl
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> So a new Live Sampling/looping piece. This time a play around a "scale" I
> "discovered" no idea what it is but it sounds vaguely middle eastern.. st=
art
> as small D D+ (a micro tone between D and D#) C# idea=C2=A0against=C2=A0a=
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> the i added G, G#, A#, B and F.... (let me know if you can identify this
> scale)
> trying=C2=A0to stay on the quite minimalist side (despite LFO's altering
> sample=C2=A0length=C2=A0on one of the loops and a lot of use of
> Digital=C2=A0distortion=C2=A0from the octatrack, some sequenced things as=
 well of
> course)
> http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/the-lost-apprentice-of-the
> Greetings from Tr=C3=A5ngsund - Sweden ;-)

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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
>
> Interesting—I am using looping *along* with harmonica, it frees up my 
> hands to play chromatic—
>
> Richard came to my gig and sat in, nice guy and very progressive with 
> regard to harmonica processing.
>
> There’s a handful of us here doing both—beatboxing a loop to play 
> harmonica over is very popular.
>
> None of the new Digitech loopers has feedback control!!
>
I've used harmonic in looping a lot but instead of processing it, 
digitally, I've been
working on trying to emulate electronic sounds with my mouth as well as 
beatboxing simultaneously
whilst playing the harp. Certain growls and gutteral sounds that emulate 
electronic noise sources
sound really interesting as 'drones' against the simultaneous playing of 
the harp.

I'm not really an accomplished harpist like you guys are (though I've 
amassed a cool collection of them, thanks to the innovative tunings
used in the Lee Oskar series (Natural Minor, Harmonic Minor and the new 
truly diatonic series called the Melody Maker)
but I use them for rhythmic ostinatos under tracks, where I'll switch 
instruments for the upper and lower voicings in a piece.

My video studio is down right now but I"m working on resurrecting it. I 
should post some of the
technics I've been working with when I have it up and running.

Another thing I've been experimenting with is taking two harmonics with 
disparate key centers and playing one
upside down so that , held closely together, I can play both harps 
simultaneously.
This is cool because you can get some very hip chordal extensions with 
notes that would normally be really dissonant in a
close voicing but that add 'color' to the chord because the notes are so 
high in contrast to the triad of the lower harmonica.

With the exception of Chromatic Harmonicas, it is normally not easy to 
get sophisticated modern dissonant harmonices on harp which is
why I started experimenting with this technique.

This takes a lot of breath but it yields really interesting results.

With looping of course, if you just drone or play an ostinato over three 
or more notes, you can also go back in and over dub individual
notes from a Chromatic harmonic in the upper regist to achieve the same 
effect.......it just takes longer to the get piece going.

I'd be really curious to hear what other experimental and progressive 
work is being done by harpists.
If Tribe.net were still really active it would be time to create the 
Weird Harmonica Tribe........lol

rick walker


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oops. Asleep at the wheel again! Thanks for the info.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Jeff Shirkey  wrote:
> This is the second batch. The first batch sold out in 5 min. roughly 6-8
> weeks ago. You can read a ton of reviews--pro and con--on The Gear Page.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>

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Hi loop people--
According to the manual, the delays are 7 seconds, but the looper is 20
seconds stereo, 40 seconds mono.
That's pretty good--but I bet there's no feedback control on the looper . .
. and no pitch shift.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] 

So now I'm all:
Just heard back from Gino. It's the TC Electronic Flashback. According
to TC Electronics page, it might be only 6 seconds of looping, which
would make it not much more impressive than the DOD DFX-94s I've used
for years. (I currently use two of those to help me get drones out of
a drum machine.)

Sorry - according to Gino, the echoes are pretty impressive, but the
looper leaves a lot to be desired.



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Matt Davignon wrote:
> I was all:
>>> Gino Robair showed me a brand new echo pedal last night that does only
>>> a 15 second loop, but it's allegedly capable of pitch bends (as if a
>>> tape loop). Unfortunately he was without batteries or power source for
>>> the pedal, so he wasn't able to show it to me, and I don't remember
>>> what it was. It was about the same size as a regular stomp box.
> 
> then Andy Butler was like:
>> Pigtronix Echolution?
> 
> So now I'm all:
> Just heard back from Gino. It's the TC Electronic Flashback. According
> to TC Electronics page, it might be only 6 seconds of looping, which
> would make it not much more impressive than the DOD DFX-94s I've used
> for years. (I currently use two of those to help me get drones out of
> a drum machine.)
> 
> Sorry - according to Gino, the echoes are pretty impressive, but the
> looper leaves a lot to be desired.

So Gary's like.
> According to the manual, the delays are 7 seconds, but the looper is 20
> seconds stereo, 40 seconds mono.
> That's pretty good--but I bet there's no feedback control on the looper . .
> . and no pitch shift.

and I'm all
yep, that's how it is.

A friend has this, the looper is very basic, just one
Rec/Dub button with a 	click to erase. Nothing else,
but those work well with a nice action on the switch.
One 'extra' which might make the device attractive as an
auxiliary loop/delay in a bigger rig is that there's an
internal switch which turns off the dry signal.

I don't know about pitch bends on delays, my mate certainly doesn't 
do them. I can find out if anyone's desperate to know.

Nice delays (not when looping), but a really dumb feature where you "tap time" 
by going into bypass/mute then bang on the "guitar" to set the time.
( frustrating to watch, I assure you ;-)

Don't know if you can tap time long delays...I'd guess not.


andy




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Yeah--
Feedback is evidently not a minimum requirement, since most modern loopers
don't have them.
BTW, where's my LP-2, since I can't seem to get a refund from Bob?
Gary


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dont forget stereo and
 undo/ redo:-)
Luis

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:55 AM, andy butler  wrote:
> What's your minimum requirements for loop technology?
> For a performance or enjoyment.
>
> Mine:
>
> Record
> Overdub
> Multiply
> Feedback control
>
>
> .and if you had to expand that in order to really let rip...
>
> A second loop, synced at cycle level., capable of being in parallel or
> series.
> Half speed.
> Reverse.
> Loop Copy (aka Bounce) from one loop to the other.
>
> andy
>
>



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Not forgetting those of course, would they really be 
part of you *minimum* specification though?

andy

Louie Angulo wrote:
> dont forget stereo and
>  undo/ redo:-)
> Luis

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Stereo obviously isn't a requirement since I used the EDP for a long =
time. I did really wish it had stereo through even if the loop were mono =
since I like to run a stereo signal chain. But even that is outside the =
minimalist scope since if I'm going minimalist on the looper, I might as =
well go minimalist on the signal chain.

Mark

On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:11 AM, andy butler wrote:

> Not forgetting those of course, would they really be part of you =
*minimum* specification though?
>=20
> andy
>=20
> Louie Angulo wrote:
>> dont forget stereo and
>> undo/ redo:-)
>> Luis
>=20
>=20

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what's up doc?

I don't think we can help you, this list
is about looping.

andy



Elmer Fuddski wrote:
> On Topic - BOS (for boring as shit - i.e. "Minimum Requirements"
> 

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Gino brought the Flashback to a show, but he found himself without a power
source for it. So, my only impressions were based on just looking at it. I
could've just made stuff up about it. :)


> I went:
>>
>>> Gino Robair showed me a brand new echo pedal last night that does only
>>>> a 15 second loop, but it's allegedly capable of pitch bends (as if a
>>>> tape loop). Unfortunately he was without batteries or power source for
>>>> the pedal, so he wasn't able to show it to me, and I don't remember
>>>> what it was. It was about the same size as a regular stomp box.
>>>>
>>>
>> then Andy Butler was like:
>>
>>> Pigtronix Echolution?
>>>
>>
>> So now I'm all:
>> Just heard back from Gino. It's the TC Electronic Flashback. According
>> to TC Electronics page, it might be only 6 seconds of looping, which
>> would make it not much more impressive than the DOD DFX-94s I've used
>> for years. (I currently use two of those to help me get drones out of
>> a drum machine.)
>>
>> Sorry - according to Gino, the echoes are pretty impressive, but the
>> looper leaves a lot to be desired.
>>
>
> So Gary's like:
>
>> According to the manual, the delays are 7 seconds, but the looper is 20
>> seconds stereo, 40 seconds mono.
>> That's pretty good--but I bet there's no feedback control on the looper .
>> .
>> . and no pitch shift.
>>
>
> and Andy Butler was all:
> yep, that's how it is.
>
> A friend has this, the looper is very basic, just one
> Rec/Dub button with a   click to erase. Nothing else,
> but those work well with a nice action on the switch.
> One 'extra' which might make the device attractive as an
> auxiliary loop/delay in a bigger rig is that there's an
> internal switch which turns off the dry signal.
>
> I don't know about pitch bends on delays, my mate certainly doesn't do
> them. I can find out if anyone's desperate to know.
>
> Nice delays (not when looping), but a really dumb feature where you "tap
> time" by going into bypass/mute then bang on the "guitar" to set the time.
> ( frustrating to watch, I assure you ;-)
>
> Don't know if you can tap time long delays...I'd guess not.
>
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
>



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Gino brought the Flashback to a show, but he found himself without a power =
source for it. So, my only impressions were based on just looking at it. I =
could've just made stuff up about it. :)






I went:




Gino Robair showed me a brand new echo pedal last night that does only

a 15 second loop, but it's allegedly capable of pitch bends (as if a
tape loop). Unfortunately he was without batteries or power source for

the pedal, so he wasn't able to show it to me, and I don't remember=


what it was. It was about the same size as a regular stomp box.





then Andy Butler was like:



Pigtronix Echolution?





So now I'm all:

Just heard back from Gino. It's the TC Electronic Flashback. According<=
br>
to TC Electronics page, it might be only 6 seconds of looping, which

would make it not much more impressive than the DOD DFX-94s I've used
for years. (I currently use two of those to help me get drones out of

a drum machine.)



Sorry - according to Gino, the echoes are pretty impressive, but the

looper leaves a lot to be desired.





So Gary's like:



According to the manual, the delays are 7 seconds, but the looper is 20

seconds stereo, 40 seconds mono.

That's pretty good--but I bet there's no feedback control on the lo=
oper . .

. and no pitch shift.





and Andy Butler was all:

yep, that's how it is.



A friend has this, the looper is very basic, just one

Rec/Dub button with a =A0 click to erase. Nothing else,

but those work well with a nice action on the switch.

One 'extra' which might make the device attractive as an

auxiliary loop/delay in a bigger rig is that there's an

internal switch which turns off the dry signal.



I don't know about pitch bends on delays, my mate certainly doesn't=
 do them. I can find out if anyone's desperate to know.



Nice delays (not when looping), but a really dumb feature where you "t=
ap time" by going into bypass/mute then bang on the "guitar"=
 to set the time.

( frustrating to watch, I assure you ;-)



Don't know if you can tap time long delays...I'd guess not.





andy
















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With 7 seconds on all delays (except slapback), it might be a good
replacement for your DOD DFX-94s pedals (which I personally have seen you do
your magic with-I went out and bought one, but I didn't sound like you 8))

G

 

  _____  

From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:21 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Gino brought the Flashback to a show, but he found himself without a power
source for it. So, my only impressions were based on just looking at it. I
could've just made stuff up about it. :)

 

I went:

Gino Robair showed me a brand new echo pedal last night that does only
a 15 second loop, but it's allegedly capable of pitch bends (as if a
tape loop). Unfortunately he was without batteries or power source for
the pedal, so he wasn't able to show it to me, and I don't remember
what it was. It was about the same size as a regular stomp box.


then Andy Butler was like:

Pigtronix Echolution?


So now I'm all:
Just heard back from Gino. It's the TC Electronic Flashback. According
to TC Electronics page, it might be only 6 seconds of looping, which
would make it not much more impressive than the DOD DFX-94s I've used
for years. (I currently use two of those to help me get drones out of
a drum machine.)

Sorry - according to Gino, the echoes are pretty impressive, but the
looper leaves a lot to be desired.

 

So Gary's like:

According to the manual, the delays are 7 seconds, but the looper is 20
seconds stereo, 40 seconds mono.
That's pretty good--but I bet there's no feedback control on the looper . .
. and no pitch shift.


and Andy Butler was all:
yep, that's how it is.

A friend has this, the looper is very basic, just one
Rec/Dub button with a   click to erase. Nothing else,
but those work well with a nice action on the switch.
One 'extra' which might make the device attractive as an
auxiliary loop/delay in a bigger rig is that there's an
internal switch which turns off the dry signal.

I don't know about pitch bends on delays, my mate certainly doesn't do them.
I can find out if anyone's desperate to know.

Nice delays (not when looping), but a really dumb feature where you "tap
time" by going into bypass/mute then bang on the "guitar" to set the time.
( frustrating to watch, I assure you ;-)

Don't know if you can tap time long delays...I'd guess not.


andy





 




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With 7 seconds on all delays =
(except
slapback), it might be a good replacement for your DOD =
DFX-94s pedals (which I personally have seen you do your magic =
with—I
went out and bought one, but I didn’t sound like you =
8))



G



 















From: Matt =
Davignon
[mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, =
2011
9:21 AM

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Subject: TC Electronic =
Flashback






 



Gino brought =
the
Flashback to a show, but he found himself without a power source for it. =
So, my
only impressions were based on just looking at it. I could've just made =
stuff
up about it. :)















 



I went:






Gino Robair showed me a brand new echo pedal last night that =
does only

a 15 second loop, but it's allegedly capable of pitch bends (as if a

tape loop). Unfortunately he was without batteries or power source =
for

the pedal, so he wasn't able to show it to me, and I don't remember

what it was. It was about the same size as a regular stomp =
box.








then Andy Butler was like:



Pigtronix Echolution?





So now I'm all:

Just heard back from Gino. It's the TC Electronic Flashback. =
According

to TC Electronics page, it might be only 6 seconds of looping, which

would make it not much more impressive than the DOD DFX-94s I've =
used

for years. (I currently use two of those to help me get drones out =
of

a drum machine.)



Sorry - according to Gino, the echoes are pretty impressive, but the

looper leaves a lot to be desired.






 






So Gary's
like:



According to the manual, the delays are 7 seconds, but the =
looper is 20

seconds stereo, 40 seconds mono.

That's pretty good--but I bet there's no feedback control on the looper =
. .

. and no pitch shift.





and Andy Butler was all:

yep, that's how it is.



A friend has this, the looper is very basic, just one

Rec/Dub button with a   click to erase. Nothing else,

but those work well with a nice action on the switch.

One 'extra' which might make the device attractive as an

auxiliary loop/delay in a bigger rig is that there's an

internal switch which turns off the dry signal.



I don't know about pitch bends on delays, my mate certainly doesn't do =
them. I
can find out if anyone's desperate to know.



Nice delays (not when looping), but a really dumb feature where you =
"tap
time" by going into bypass/mute then bang on the "guitar" =
to set
the time.

( frustrating to watch, I assure you ;-)



Don't know if you can tap time long delays...I'd guess not.





andy














 












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mattdavignon@gmail.com

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The way I use those little guys, the feedback control and the pitch control
are a lot more important than the delay interval.

I still have no idea how I ever got by when those were my only loopers
(pre-2004, when I was a turntablist).

I like your nice words - thank you.

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Clayton Gary Lehmann  went:

> ** ** **
>
> With 7 seconds on all delays (except slapback), it might be a good
> replacement for your DOD DFX-94s pedals (which I personally have seen you
> do your magic with=97I went out and bought one, but I didn=92t sound like=
 you
> 8))****
>
> G****
>
>
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The way I use those little guys, the feedback control and the pitch control=
 are a lot more important than the delay interval. 

I still have no =
idea how I ever got by when those were my only loopers (pre-2004, when I wa=
s a turntablist).


I like your nice words - thank you.

-- 
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mattdavignon@gmail.=
com
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ribosomemusic.com

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ttp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
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omematt


Clayton Gary Lehmann <<=
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With 7 seconds=
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slapback), it might be a good replacement for your DOD DFX-94=
s pedals (which I personally have see=
n you do your magic with=97I
went out and bought one, but I didn=92t sound like you 8))



G



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> what's up doc?
>=20
> I don't think we can help you=2C this list
> is about looping.
>=20


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dj97EJQ1z7nY=20


>=20
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> > On Topic - BOS (for boring as shit - i.e. "Minimum Requirements"
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>=3B 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dj97EJQ1z7nY 

>=3B 
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> From: Steve Uccello 
> Date: August 23, 2011 10:55:23 AM PDT
> To: Reply to Comment ,  Loopers Delight 
> Subject: Re:  a little looping on australian radio yesterday
> Reply-To: Steve Uccello 
>=20

>=20
>=20
> Nice interview Nat, great playing too! I love that electric glockenspiel!!=
 Sounds really cool-are you blending the pick-ups it has with the mic or was=
 it going pick-up only? Also, can't wait to play with you in October...even i=
f the interviewer advised against it ;) Steve Uccello
>=20
>=20
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> Subject: [Loopers Delight] a little looping on australian radio yesterday
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S?


I'm just sayin'...

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>=20

> what's up doc?
>=20
> I don't think we can help you, this list
> is about looping.
>=20


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dj97EJQ1z7nY=20


>=20
>=20
>=20
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> > On Topic - BOS (for boring as shit - i.e. "Minimum Requirements"
> >=20
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I'm just sayin'...





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> I don't think we can help you, this list

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How about :

Boring
As
Shit
Topic
Annoyingly
Redundant
Discussion

aka "BASTARD"


At 05:24 -0400 24/8/11, Patrick Bishop wrote:
>Wouldn't BOS mean Boring Old... instead of Boring As...? Shouldn't it be BAS?
>
>I'm just sayin'...
>
>  PJ
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>>  Elmer Fuddski wrote:
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Re: New Topic Suggestion

How about :





Boring


As


Shit


Topic


Annoyingly


Redundant


Discussion





aka "BASTARD"








At 05:24 -0400 24/8/11, Patrick Bishop wrote:


Wouldn't BOS mean Boring
Old... instead of Boring As...? Shouldn't it
be BAS?





I'm just sayin'...




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> what's up doc?

>

> I don't think we can help you, this list

> is about looping.

>





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>

>

>

> Elmer Fuddski wrote:

> > On Topic - BOS (for boring as shit - i.e. "Minimum
Requirements"

> >

>




       
       
       
       
       









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My minimum requirements for a looper would seem to be 90 seconds of sample
time, and overdub capability.

I have had lots of fun with shorter loop times, but you need feedback
control to keep it interesting, and having independent volume control also
helps make it more musical. Most of what I do with looping is sample capture
and playback--but even then, without FB it's pretty easy to get caught in
the "lobster trap" . . .

The trick for me, then, is to be able to create the "full sound" I get with
looping exclusive of the loop, so as to make transitions between the states.
I noticed this with Tom Griesgraber, the looping stick player, that he would
grab a loop while keeping both hands going.

As a plectrum guitarist, usually acoustic steel string, it's hard to have
two independent elements simultaneously, so extensive use of custom tuned
harmonicas have enabled me to do it more easily (I did this at Y2K2 with a
Lee Oskar Melody Maker, but am now designing my own tunings.)

Of course, not everyone cares for the harmonica, no matter how you tune it
(especially true with the diatonic--chromatic is less strident). Still, this
provides a melody independent of the guitar which can then go between the
looped and non-looped states--and the niceties of loop control are less
crucial.

I have getting by with the RC-20 (which died) and a Digitech Jamman, and
just added a Boomerang III. None of these are uber-loopers--I like using the
EDP but it really needs a foot controller, which is one more thing to set
up, and takes up floor space. I am hoping the LP-2, when it arrives, will be
the uber-looper for more intricate looping of a non-minimum nature.

Oh, Bob, how ya coming on that LP-2 . . .

Gnarly


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All the wonderful people who have tithed to the festival in the past
are not available this year so I have no one to run the
Y2KX+1 International Live Looping Festival website for this year?

Is there anyone out there who would be into volunteering
to run the website (which involves posting information about the festival
and posting individual artists URLs, photos and descriptions?

There's no money in it........just the satisfaction of helping out the 
community.

The site is hosted for free (thanks to the largesse of Chris Roberts aka 
CPR).

Let me know.........we're getting close.

Yours,  Rick Walker  founder,  Y2K Loopfestivals

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Rick,=20
did you forget that I offered me for that work ?
I'm still available, let me know.

-Fabio=20



Il giorno 25/ago/2011, alle ore 11:54, Rick Walker  ha s=
critto:

> All the wonderful people who have tithed to the festival in the past
> are not available this year so I have no one to run the
> Y2KX+1 International Live Looping Festival website for this year?
>=20
> Is there anyone out there who would be into volunteering
> to run the website (which involves posting information about the festival
> and posting individual artists URLs, photos and descriptions?
>=20
> There's no money in it........just the satisfaction of helping out the com=
munity.
>=20
> The site is hosted for free (thanks to the largesse of Chris Roberts aka C=
PR).
>=20
> Let me know.........we're getting close.
>=20
> Yours,  Rick Walker  founder,  Y2K Loopfestivals
>=20

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GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY:                   http://galactictravels.info
=======================================================================
Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the
month-long Special Focus on Tomas Weiss and Mathias Grassow.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Ornaments" on Thar Records.  Details
are at the Special Focus page at:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#aug

I will also play music by Modulator ESP who will play at the
Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, September 4.

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
FM.  Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet.

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This guy does some very interesting mods to line 6 products, including  
adding a built in speaker cabinet simulator to the M series products  
as well as foot switch upgrades and very interesting momentary  
expression switch mods, though the site doesn't have that much in the  
way of description  and demos he has posted a fair amount of stuff on  
Youtube as well The fact that he is also a line 6 dealer suggests that  
they are cool with what he is offering. very cool.  A lot of people  
who use the M series stuff have lamented that they don't offer a  
decent solution for going direct  but this guy can make that happen,  
he also makes a stand alone pedal speaker simulator that sounds pretty  
darn convincing.http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=common/home
  Bill
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This guy does some very interesting mods to line 6 products, including adding a built in speaker cabinet simulator to the M series products as well as foot switch upgrades and very interesting momentary expression switch mods, though the site doesn't have that much in the way of description  and demos he has posted a fair amount of stuff on Youtube as well The fact that he is also a line 6 dealer suggests that they are cool with what he is offering. very cool.  A lot of people who use the M series stuff have lamented that they don't offer a decent solution for going direct  but this guy can make that happen, he also makes a stand alone pedal speaker simulator that sounds pretty darn convincing.http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=common/home
 Bill

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This might be of interest to some on the list:
 
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/gibson-0825-2011/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576530520471223268.ht
ml


- C -




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Looking for an audio interface that was built in this century.  Aside
from the obvious feature difference (effects), any thoughts?  Has
anyone played with both?
Sylvain

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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/110825.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                 Show #751                August 25, 2011.

RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Tomas Weiss and
Mathias Grassow.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Ornaments" on har
Records.
TW + MG: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#aug

I also played music by Modulator ESP who will perform at the Soundscapes
Concert Series on Sunday, September 4.  See the events page for details.
Events: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/events.html


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Paul Nagle           E-Ville              Beyond E-Ville (none)
Dave Luxton          Embryonic Dream      Dreams Ghosts and Parallel
                                             Universes (Wayfarer)
Steve Roach and      The Next Place       The Road Eternal (Projekt)
   Erik Wollo
Remy                 Destination: Berlin i-Dentity (Ricochet Dream)
                        part 3 *
Modulatopr ESP       Elektron Storm *     Historic Edition Vol. 6 (none)

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Weiss and Grassow    The Veil and the     Ornaments (Thar)
                        Other Side
Weiss and Grassow    Plus-Munis           Ornaments (Thar)
Weiss and Grassow    Ornaments            Ornaments (Thar)
Weiss and Grassow    The Old Spirit       Ornaments (Thar)
Weiss and Grassow    Presentiment-Union-  Ornaments (Thar)
                        Eternity
Weiss and Grassow    Coincidence of       Ornaments (Thar)
                        Oppositions
Weiss and Grassow    The Return Journey   Ornaments (Thar)

1:00 am

  * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Robert
Carty.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sonic Magic" on Space for
Music Records.
Robert Carty: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#sep

Bill
========================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info
Listen to WDIY on-line.

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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Fabio_A wrote:
> Rick,
> did you forget that I offered me for that work ?
> I'm still available, let me know.
>
> -Fabio
"A mind is a terrible thing to waste"     George Bush, Jr.  President of 
the United States

Please forgive me, Fabio,  I did in the stress bubble I've been in lately.
Thanks so much for the offer.

The festival is official on, finally!    Details coming soon.  October 11-19
(main festival 14-16, Santa Cruz)

Rick Walker

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1. I don't know what you call it, but to be able to stomp just once  
and have it stop the first loop and start recording another  
immediately, not restricted to the length of the previously erased loop.
2. A way to keep a loop in memory without having to bend down and save  
it and be able to go on to create other loops and then come back to  
the original one without having to use one's hands.
3. A way to control the volume relationship of the looper and  
instrument.

Ed Durbrow
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1. I =
don't know what you call it, but to be able to stomp just once and have =
it stop the first loop and start recording another immediately, not =
restricted to the length of the previously erased loop.
2. A =
way to keep a loop in memory without having to bend down and save it and =
be able to go on to create other loops and then come back to the =
original one without having to use one's hands.
3. A =
way to control the volume relationship of the looper and =
instrument.

Ed =
Durbrow
Saitama, Japan

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Ed Durbrow wrote:

>1. I don't know what you call it, but to be able to stomp just once and
>have it stop the first loop and start recording another immediately, not
>restricted to the length of the previously erased loop.
>2. A way to keep a loop in memory without having to bend down and save it
>and be able to go on to create other loops and then come back to the
>original one without having to use one's hands.
>3. A way to control the volume relationship of the looper and instrument.

These don't seem much like minimum requirements, more like wish list.
I have my EDP and PMC 10 set up to do #1--actually, record is initiated by a
pedal press and end loop by releasing the switch. Another is set up to do
the same thing with loop windowing.
A couple of weeks with the 'Rang is making me appreciate this setup! Too bad
it is more trouble to set up (and takes up more room).

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  I also found this on the site , this little box has a footswitch and  
a pho resistor "peep eye" that you can toggle between  two   different  
hi and low parameter's on any given DL-4 or M series effect by  
plugging in to one of the expression pedal ports.  The switch gives  
you a preset high and low range, and the peep eye gives you variable  
gesture control .The seeing eye could be very interesting for radical  
effects morphs.  and I'm wondering if it could be adapted to eventide  
products as well. The other cool thing, at around $40, its cheaper  
than a line 6 expression pedal, doesn't take up as much space.  and  
one wouldn't have to ship their pedal to him for the mods. The mods  
however would be  a really cool thing to do as well, as they don't use  
up any expression pedal ports.
  Bill
http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=37&product_id=75
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 I also =
found this on the site , this little box has a footswitch and a pho =
resistor "peep eye" that you can toggle between  two   =
different hi and low parameter's on any given DL-4 or M series effect by =
plugging in to one of the expression pedal ports.  The switch gives =
you a preset high and low range, and the peep eye gives you variable =
gesture control .The seeing eye could be very interesting for radical =
effects morphs.  and I'm wondering if it could be adapted to =
eventide products as well. The other cool thing, at around $40, its =
cheaper than a line 6 expression pedal, doesn't take up as much space. =
 and one wouldn't have to ship their pedal to him for the mods. The =
mods however would be  a really cool thing to do as well, as they =
don't use up any expression pedal =
ports. 
 Bill
=

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Hey Bill, you remind me that I have been wanting to make one of those. Devi
Ever has instructions to make what she calls a Peep:
http://www.deviever.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=192&t=519

And some videos Dl 4 and An Eventide TimeFactor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulSlK6dqitc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUuIusSCp8I&feature=related

probably would not be difficult to add the switch for presets..

Jeff


On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:26 PM, William Walker wrote:

>
>  I also found this on the site , this little box has a footswitch and a pho
> resistor "peep eye" that you can toggle between  two   different hi and low
> parameter's on any given DL-4 or M series effect by plugging in to one of
> the expression pedal ports.  The switch gives you a preset high and low
> range, and the peep eye gives you variable gesture control .The seeing eye
> could be very interesting for radical effects morphs.  and I'm wondering if
> it could be adapted to eventide products as well. The other cool thing, at
> around $40, its cheaper than a line 6 expression pedal, doesn't take up as
> much space.  and one wouldn't have to ship their pedal to him for the mods.
> The mods however would be  a really cool thing to do as well, as they don't
> use up any expression pedal ports.
>  Bill
> http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=37&product_id=75
>

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Hey Bill, you remind me that I have been wanting to make one of those. Devi=
 Ever has instructions to make what she calls a Peep:
http://www.deviev=
er.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3D192&t=3D519


And some videos Dl 4 and An Eventide TimeFactor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DulSlK=
6dqitc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSUuIusSCp8I&feature=
=3Drelated


probably would not be difficult to add the switch for presets..

=
Jeff


On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:26 PM=
, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:



=A0I also found this on the site , this=
 little box has a footswitch and a pho resistor "peep eye" that y=
ou can toggle between =A0two =A0 different hi and low parameter's on an=
y given DL-4 or M series effect by plugging in to one of the expression ped=
al ports. =A0The switch gives you a preset high and low range, and the peep=
 eye gives you variable gesture control .The seeing eye could be very inter=
esting for radical effects morphs. =A0and I'm wondering if it could be =
adapted to eventide products as well. The other cool thing, at around $40, =
its cheaper than a line 6 expression pedal, doesn't take up as much spa=
ce. =A0and one wouldn't have to ship their pedal to him for the mods. T=
he mods however would be =A0a really cool thing to do as well, as they don&=
#39;t use up any expression pedal ports.=A0

=A0Bill





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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/top20-08aug.html

WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for August, 2011.
Shows #748 to #751; 4-August-2011 to 25-August-2011
Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order.
Compiled by Bill Fox

The Special Focus for August was Tomas Weiss and Mathias Grassow.
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#aug


ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
========================================================================
Binar - The Truth Sets You Free - none
Dave Luxton - Dreams Ghosts and Parallel Universes - Wayfarer
Erik Wollo - Silent Currents - Projekt
Joint Intelligence Committee - The Book of Roach - Bogus Focus
M. Peck - Beneath Forever - Earth Mantra
Mark Jenkins - Analog Archives - AMP
Modulator ESP - Historic Edition Vol. 5 - none
Modulator ESP - from outer spaces - none
Numina - Subterranean Landscapes - Numinamusic
Paul Ellis - Out of the Vast Comes Nearness - Lotuspike
Paul Nagle - Beyond E-Ville - none
Remy - i-Dentity - Ricochet Dream
Saul Stokes - Sleek Nucleus - Stokesmusic
Marion Schonwalder & Frank Rothe - Filter-Kaffee 101 - SynGate
Steve Roach and Erik Wollo - The Road Eternal - Projekt
The Glimmer Room - A Diary of Occurrences - A-Frame
Weiss and Grassow - Aestrata - Musical Philosophy
Weiss and Grassow - Farewell - Musical Philosophy
Weiss and Grassow - Ornaments - Thar
Weiss and Grassow - Quiet Calling II - Musical Philosophy

Bill
========================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info
Listen to WDIY on-line.

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:33 AM, William Walker wrote:

> This guy does some very interesting mods to line 6 products, including =
adding a built in speaker cabinet simulator to the M series products as =
well as foot switch upgrades and very interesting momentary expression =
switch mods, though the site doesn't have that much in the way of =
description  and demos he has posted a fair amount of stuff on Youtube =
as well The fact that he is also a line 6 dealer suggests that they are =
cool with what he is offering. very cool.  A lot of people who use the M =
series stuff have lamented that they don't offer a decent solution for =
going direct  but this guy can make that happen, he also makes a stand =
alone pedal speaker simulator that sounds pretty darn =
convincing.http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=3Dcommon/home

Cool. My solution has been the Tech21 character series pedals, but those =
take up space and they also have enough output that it's easy to =
overdrive the inputs on the M13 FX loop unless you are careful to turn =
the levels down.

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This guy does some very =
interesting mods to line 6 products, including adding a built in speaker =
cabinet simulator to the M series products as well as foot switch =
upgrades and very interesting momentary expression switch mods, though =
the site doesn't have that much in the way of description  and =
demos he has posted a fair amount of stuff on Youtube as well The fact =
that he is also a line 6 dealer suggests that they are cool with what he =
is offering. very cool.  A lot of people who use the M series stuff =
have lamented that they don't offer a decent solution for going direct =
 but this guy can make that happen, he also makes a stand alone =
pedal speaker simulator that sounds pretty darn convincing.http://r3fx.c=
om/store/index.php?route=3Dcommon/home

Cool. My solution has been the Tech21 character series pedals, but =
those take up space and they also have enough output that it's easy to =
overdrive the inputs on the M13 FX loop unless you are careful to turn =
the levels =
down.

Mark

=

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Hi gang,
both of these for 250.00 plus shipping in excellent working
condition,the EQ killer is missing a button though but works
perfectly.
let me know
cheers
Luis

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Just put up for bid on eBay.  No reserve.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BBE-Sonic-Maximizer-882i-NO-RESERVE-FREE-SHIPPING-/140598586140?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20bc542b1c

Tried using it for my acoustic guitar and for playing music through a PA.
 Never really liked the results, but there are many other things I probably
could have tried it on, and it could be I wasn't using it correctly.
 Anyway, it's for sale!!

Best,
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Just put up for bid on eBay. =A0No reserve.




Tried using it for my acoustic guitar and for playing m=
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her things I probably could have tried it on, and it could be I wasn't =
using it correctly. =A0Anyway, it's for sale!!



Best,
Adam


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Hello,

I=92ve been an avid reader of the Looper=92s Delight site for a few =
years now,
but this is my first foray into the mailing list.=A0 I was saddened to =
hear
about Kim=92s passing last year and when I recently found that two of =
his
Echoplexes are up for sale on ebay (expires Aug 30, 201119:06 PDT) I =
thought
I should share that information here, in case anyone is interested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gibson-Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Looper-EFC-7-FC-/2208=
396
94551?pt=3DGuitar_Accessories&hash=3Ditem336b1250d7
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gibson-Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Looper-EFC-7-FC-/2208=
396
94906?pt=3DGuitar_Accessories&hash=3Ditem336b12523a



Regards,
Mark

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> On Topic - BOS (for boring as shit - i.e. "Minimum Requirements"


Unsubscribe then.  

When I filter my LD inbox for Boysen, Walker, Reyn, Hamburg, Klobucher, and dozens of others-- I find gobs of useful information delivered in a supportive tone.  

When I filter for Fuddski---I find a lot of petty, harsh, criticisms delivered with condescending tones in poor grammar.  I still look forward to hearing your work, Elmer.  Then again, if your art form is dissing others and contributing vitriol I can say you have well demonstrated your mastery on Loopers Delight.  For my part, I am done reading your posts.  Welcome to my junk mail filter.

Daniel

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Daniel Thomas schrieb:
>  again, if your art form is dissing others and contributing vitriol I 
> can say you have well demonstrated your mastery on Loopers Delight. 
>  For my part, I am done reading your
Ok, here's an idea for a contest:
Make a piece of music that disses others and contributes vitriol. You 
must not use lyrics.

          Rainer

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Wow. I searched on your e-mails=A0too=A0and the designation "OT - Boring as=
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lobucher, and dozens of others-- I find gobs of useful information delivere=
d in a supportive tone. =A0 =0A=0A=0AWhen I filter for Fuddski---I find a l=
ot of petty, harsh, criticisms delivered with condescending tones in poor g=
rammar. =A0I=A0still look forward to hearing your work, Elmer. =A0Then agai=
n, if your art form is dissing others and contributing vitriol I can say yo=
u have well demonstrated your mastery on Loopers Delight. =A0For my part, I=
 am done reading your posts. =A0Welcome to my junk mail filter.=0A=0A=0ADan=
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Wow. I searched on your e-mails too&=
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From:=
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On Topic - BOS (for boring as shit - i.e. "Minimum Requirements"=












Unsubscribe then.  



When I filter my LD inbox for Boysen, Walker, Reyn, Hamburg,=
 Klobucher, and dozens of others-- I find gobs of useful information delive=
red in a supportive tone.  




When I filter for Fuddski---I find a lot of petty, harsh, criticisms d=
elivered with condescending tones in poor grammar.  I still look =
forward to hearing your work, Elmer.  Then again, if your art form is =
dissing others and contributing vitriol I can say you have well demonstrate=
d your mastery on Loopers Delight.  For my part, I am done reading you=
r posts.  Welcome to my junk mail filter.















Daniel





On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:









On Topic - BOS (for boring as shit - i.e. "Minimum Requirements"=











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Really?  This is the best use of your time?

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Elmer Fuddski  w=
rote:
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as
> Shit" suits your posts=A0VERY well!
>
> From: Daniel Thomas 
> To: Elmer Fuddski 
> Cc: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) 
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: New Topic Suggestion
>
> On Topic - BOS (for boring as shit - i.e. "Minimum Requirements"
>
> Unsubscribe then.
> When I filter my LD inbox for Boysen, Walker, Reyn, Hamburg, Klobucher, a=
nd
> dozens of others-- I find gobs of useful information delivered in a
> supportive tone.
> When I filter for Fuddski---I find a lot of petty, harsh, criticisms
> delivered with condescending tones in poor grammar. =A0I=A0still look for=
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> hearing your work, Elmer. =A0Then again, if your art form is dissing othe=
rs
> and contributing vitriol I can say you have well demonstrated your master=
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> my junk mail filter.
> Daniel
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>
> On Topic - BOS (for boring as shit - i.e. "Minimum Requirements"
>
>
>
>
>

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Dear Daniel, (and Sylvain)... if you dont like Elmers trolling, just ignore
him, maybe he=B4ll go away..? Oh wait... you did!!!!

Me? I love a good punch-up, I still have a warm glow from the WalkerBros vs
Sottilaro match of =B408.. Phew, that was a stinker!

--=20
*Mark Francombe*
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Dear Daniel, (and Sylvain)... if you dont like Elmers trolling, just ignore=
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Me? I love a g=
ood punch-up, I still have a warm glow from the WalkerBros vs Sottilaro mat=
ch of =B408.. Phew, that was a stinker!



-- 
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
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http://www.looop.no
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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:00:57 -0600
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And people were asking why there were moderators on the newly-popular
Facebork Looper's Group.

(Of course, this is what filters are for . . .)

Best,

Dennis

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> him, maybe he=B4ll go away..? Oh wait... you did!!!!
>
> Me? I love a good punch-up, I still have a warm glow from the WalkerBros =
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> Sottilaro match of =B408.. Phew, that was a stinker!
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
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>

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Go grab 'm while you can.  They're in mint condition, and the seller is
trustworthy and your purchase will be secure.  However, these Echoplexes
were not part of Kim's personal gear; they were donated to LD by a list
member. Unfortunately the sale will not be supporting LD as originally
planned.

Violet
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>
>I’ve been an avid reader of the Looper’s Delight site for a few years now,
>but this is my first foray into the mailing list.  I was saddened to hear
>about Kim’s passing last year and when I recently found that two of his
>Echoplexes are up for sale on ebay (expires Aug 30, 201119:06 PDT) I thought
>I should share that information here, in case anyone is interested

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Me? I love a good punch-up, I still have a warm glow from the WalkerBros =
vs
Sottilaro match of =B408.. Phew, that was a stinker!

I missed that one=97August 07 to be exact (gotta love those archives).

If you truly do love controversy, I am sure you are glad to see me =
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This cartoon character doesn=92t seem to have anything to contribute,
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Still waiting on my LP-2=97

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Me? I love a good punch-up, I still have a warm glow from the WalkerBros =
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I missed that one—August 07 to be exact (gotta love =
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Still waiting on my =
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>M. Sottilaro was pretty feisty.

Yeah, but from my memory (I was off list for many years), he was also
capable of intelligent, constructive conversation and was willing and able
to give good advice, informative product reviews and interesting signal flo=
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He also wouldn=B9t have hesitated to post his own work, if I remember
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I have yet to see any of this from Mr. Fuddski.

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Yeah, but from my memory (I was off list for many years), he was also capab=
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e good advice, informative product reviews and interesting signal flow schem=
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He also wouldn’t have hesitated to post his own work, if I remember c=
orrectly.



I have yet to see any of this from Mr. Fuddski.



Sincerely...

Rich








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Does anyone have this yet? Thoughts? Looper specs?

Mark

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

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> Me? I love a good punch-up, I still have a warm glow from the =20
> WalkerBros vs
> Sottilaro match of =B408.. Phew, that was a stinker!

Well I'm mighty glad that bit of animosity was sooooo fucking amusing =20=

to you, Mark  you twee limey bastard ............... wow that felt =20
good, really, really, good, and i hope it was good for you too Mark... =20=

think I'll light a cigarette.. ;-)
  In reality, that thing that happened back then was embarrassing to =20
me,  because I personally did not exercise restraint with a person who =20=

seemed to take delight in being mean spirited. It got pretty ugly and =20=

I wasted way too much time in a pointless argument with a seriously =20
angry person with whom logic and reason where not going to work. =20
That's a no win situation, and it reminds me a bit of what's happening =20=

now, though so far,  knock on wood, it hasn't degenerated to the level =20=

of character assassination and psychosis  that the previous incident =20
did. Dare to dream...........;-)
Bill=

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According to the manual, on page 64 it says 20 sec, overdub, playback and
the added bonus...wait for it...when the playback stops (two presses of the
button)  the recorded material is erased. :)
http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/en/manuals/res/59105308/GR-55_e03_W.pdf

peace out,

j


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>
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he added bonus...wait for it...when the playback stops (two presses of the =
button)=A0 the recorded material is erased. :)
http://lib.rolan=
d.co.jp/support/en/manuals/res/59105308/GR-55_e03_W.pdf


peace out,

j


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Does anyone have this yet? Thoughts? Looper specs?



Mark



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Still waiting... hoping I will be able to coax up the doe when it gets
available (funds shrinking...). There are some use of the GR55 looper
on the demo video's on YT, but no one is doing anything different than
simply recording one part to play over. Maybe some users will find the
USB player more useful? When I started looping in -83 I also used a
reel to reel mastering machine on stage with sound for background and
it was pretty creative, if you care to not pre record too much musical
stuff (like melodies, rhythms or chords). I mean, you can use a pre
recorded backing track in a way that it doesn't become counter
productive to the raw energy of improvisation.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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> I missed that one

I missed all of them. Not that interested in burning my time reading
poor outlets of some miserable mofos.

Greetings from Sweden

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I agree Bill, and Im sure you saw the irony in what I was saying, I
certainly DID enjoy your fine bit of yankee venting.

Over the years on LD I have been the cause of a few misunderstandings and
flamings, just cos humour and political correctness are different the world
over.

I think it is interesting that on a huge list like LD, we very rarely have
these problems, and when they do pop up, I am always reminded of our sadly
missed founder who never banned anyone, but I certainly received a well
worded and curt private mail, intelligently putting me firmly in my place.

The people on LD are all wonderful, fine and on the most part friendly
people, all skilled and passionate artists in what they do.
Here me...? Artists...Musicians!!! Drunk, noisy, passionate Artists!!!
Not politicians, priests or HR directors (although some might be!!)

I dont think there is any need for people to "prove" their shredding (or
looping) skills, to be accepted here, we are all newbs here in a way.

Of course, random bursts of anger or stupidity DO occur, but the nature of
the internet and the short ill conceived messages it encourages, means that
the medium is prone to exaggeration, misunderstanding, and alot of hot air.

I dont hate Mr Fudski, or what ever his name is, I just see him as an old
farting dog in the corner, or drunk Uncle Bob.. kind of annoying, but still
part of the family.


thats it for me on this subject


Mark





On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, William Walker wro=
te:

> Me? I love a good punch-up, I still have a warm glow from the WalkerBros =
vs
>> Sottilaro match of =B408.. Phew, that was a stinker!
>>
>
> Well I'm mighty glad that bit of animosity was sooooo fucking amusing to
> you, Mark  you twee limey bastard ............... wow that felt good,
> really, really, good, and i hope it was good for you too Mark... think I'=
ll
> light a cigarette.. ;-)
>  In reality, that thing that happened back then was embarrassing to me,
>  because I personally did not exercise restraint with a person who seemed=
 to
> take delight in being mean spirited. It got pretty ugly and I wasted way =
too
> much time in a pointless argument with a seriously angry person with whom
> logic and reason where not going to work. That's a no win situation, and =
it
> reminds me a bit of what's happening now, though so far,  knock on wood, =
it
> hasn't degenerated to the level of character assassination and psychosis
>  that the previous incident did. Dare to dream...........;-)
> Bill
>



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I agree Bill, and Im sure you saw the irony in what I was saying, I certain=
ly DID enjoy your fine bit of yankee venting.

Over the years on LD I=
 have been the cause of a few misunderstandings and flamings, just cos humo=
ur and political correctness are different the world over.




I think it is interesting that on a huge list like LD, we very rarely h=
ave these problems, and when they do pop up, I am always reminded of our sa=
dly missed founder who never banned anyone, but I certainly received a well=
 worded and curt private mail, intelligently putting me firmly in my place.=





The people on LD are all wonderful, fine and on the most part friendly =
people, all skilled and passionate artists in what they do.
Here me...? =
Artists...Musicians!!! Drunk, noisy, passionate Artists!!!
Not politicia=
ns, priests or HR directors (although some might be!!)


=A0 
I dont think there is any need for people to "prove" thei=
r shredding (or looping) skills, to be accepted here, we are all newbs here=
 in a way.


Of course, random bursts of anger or stupidity DO occur, but the nature=
 of the internet and the short ill conceived messages it encourages, means =
that the medium is prone to exaggeration, misunderstanding, and alot of hot=
 air.




I dont hate Mr Fudski, or what ever his name is, I just see him as an o=
ld farting dog in the corner, or drunk Uncle Bob.. kind of annoying, but st=
ill part of the family.


thats it for me on this subject




Mark





On Tue, Aug =
30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:






Me? I love a good punch-up, I still have a warm glow from the WalkerBros vs=


Sottilaro match of =B408.. Phew, that was a stinker!





Well I'm mighty glad that bit of animosity was sooooo fucking amusing t=
o you, Mark =A0you twee limey bastard ............... wow that felt good, r=
eally, really, good, and i hope it was good for you too Mark... think I'=
;ll light a cigarette.. ;-)




=A0In reality, that thing that happened back then was embarrassing to me, =
=A0because I personally did not exercise restraint with a person who seemed=
 to take delight in being mean spirited. It got pretty ugly and I wasted wa=
y too much time in a pointless argument with a seriously angry person with =
whom logic and reason where not going to work. That's a no win situatio=
n, and it reminds me a bit of what's happening now, though so far, =A0k=
nock on wood, it hasn't degenerated to the level of character assassina=
tion and psychosis =A0that the previous incident did. Dare to dream........=
...;-)




Bill





-- 
Mark Fra=
ncombe



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www.ordoabkhao.com



http://vimeo.com/user825094
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Ive been scouring the You Tube vids and reading the manual, and there's one
tiny clip that seems like it has some kind of arpeggiator or sequencer
function, but cant find anything about it... could be its just part of a
patch.. anyone know anything on that?

M



>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mark francombe 
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> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Sent from my (advertisement removed)
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Ive been scouring the You Tube vids and reading the manual, and there's=
 one tiny clip that seems like it has some kind of arpeggiator or sequencer=
 function, but cant find anything about it... could be its just part of a p=
atch.. anyone know anything on that?



M







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> Does anyone have this yet? Thoughts? Loop=
er specs?

>

> Mark

>

> Sent from my (advertisement removed)

>

>








-- 
Mark Francombe


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http://vimeo.com/user825094
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Sounds interesting, but I think it must be a patch. I really looked
closely for arps and right now I read the manual a second time without
founding a word on that (although the looper is called "Phrase Loop").
You know, since there is a tap tempo option and patches can be
rhythmic regarding LFO controlled filtered for beeps 'n boops it might
sound pretty "sequenced".

I too remember having seen a video that sounded sequenced and also
being titled in that direction... Don't remember more about that - but
if you have the URL for that video, please post it!

It's too bad the GR-55 doesn't accept external MIDI input. My plan is
to run an arp + synth on a parallel laptop, feeding a MIDI output from
the GR into the arp/synth.

Back in the early nineties I had this awesome box called Oberheim
Cyclone, a standalone arp connected by a MIDI cable to a rack synth
module, that I fed MIDI from my MIDI Guitar while also playing normal
guitar pickup output through an amp - and that was great! But since
Oberheim discontinued the Cyclone nothing in the software world has
really taken over that (i.e. laptops not powerful enough to run both
arp and synth... but that might work with today's i7 lappies?)

Per


On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:47 PM, mark francombe  wrote:
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> tiny clip that seems like it has some kind of arpeggiator or sequencer
> function, but cant find anything about it... could be its just part of a
> patch.. anyone know anything on that?
>
> M
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mark francombe 
>> wrote:
>> > Does anyone have this yet? Thoughts? Looper specs?
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > Sent from my (advertisement removed)
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
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Per Boysen wrote:

> (i.e. laptops not powerful enough to run both
> arp and synth... but that might work with today's i7 lappies?)

I would have thought that an arpeggiator should take up very little
processing power.

..or is it just that it maxes out the amount of processing that the synth does?
( that doesn't sound quite right either though )


andy

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Sure, MIDI arpegiator takes peanuts for CPU cycles. It's just that a
great sounding synth eats a lot of CPU. Running arps live with
fat-n-crisp-analog-sounding soft synths is a different thing than
faking it to sound ok in a safe studio production facility ;-)  While
arping you may want to abuse the synths cutoff and resonance filters
all the way into self oscillation... and you don't want it to crash
while you do audio live looping on the same computer.

Per



On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:45 PM, andy butler  wrote:
> Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> (i.e. laptops not powerful enough to run both
>> arp and synth... but that might work with today's i7 lappies?)
>
> I would have thought that an arpeggiator should take up very little
> processing power.
>
> ..or is it just that it maxes out the amount of processing that the synth
> does?
> ( that doesn't sound quite right either though )

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Hi everyone,

Over the last year I've lurked more than I've posted so I'm writing to  
share some philosophical, musical, and technical thoughts.

As musicians we get many of, what I call, "15 minute of fame" moments.  
  We all decide what to do with them.  In a sense, an internet post is  
also such a moment and I am aware that for some people my post will  
lack resonance, some will find it entertaining, and perhaps someone  
will take some piece of fresh knowledge or inspiration from it.  The  
same with a performance or really with any interaction.  I try to  
avoid posting when I'm in a bad mood because the transient negativity  
will find its way onto the page and achieve permanance.

Anyway, I've spent a good deal of time with DIY electronics --  
furiously adding new modules to my modular synth.  My synth has a  
MIDI-to-CV converter and, among other functions, converts MIDI Clock  
messages to clock signals.

The LP1 is a rock-solid MIDI clock source.  The way it works is that  
when one records and ends the master track (by default, the first  
track) the LP1 -- based on the length of the track and the  
Beats-per-Measure setting, outputs perfectly aligned MIDI clock events.

This opens up possibilities to do tightly synced work with the  
synthesizer.  One of the first issues that arise is that the result of  
these repeated triggers is repitition -- that is, percussive envelopes  
restart on every trigger producing a marimba or mandolin effect.

I modded some hardware logic circuits such that it would combine the  
triggers (from the MIDI CLOCK) with gates (from my keyboards) such  
that a Logical "AND" drives the output 'high' and remains high until a  
logical NOT OR condition occurs.   This allows long envelopes to start  
precisely on a clock without repeating on subsequent clocks.

This allows me to build very long loops that start with seemingly  
random events with big gaps of silence between them and to slowly add  
events that eventually coalesce into a groove.  The clock assures that  
each event will happen "on the beat" so to speak.

This track, entitled "Mysterious Bells" demonstrates this idea:

http://kevinkissinger.com/downloads/music/mysteriousbells_681.mp3

I created this track in 2010 -- and if I already shared this with you,  
please forgive me -- I honestly can't remember if I wrote about this  
here.

There was a recent thread here about the use of the LP1 when slaved to  
a clock -- however I like to use it as a master.

Off topic:

I haven't really done much music in 2011.  Last August my (grown up)  
kids, on a whim, decided to visit a nearby dropzone to do a "first  
jump" course.  They asked if I wanted to join them and I  
apprehensively agreed.  I was in a state of shear terror as I sat in  
the door of the airplane but as soon as I jumped out I was hooked and  
decided to keep jumping.  I'm up to 35 jumps and around 10 minutes of  
freefall time and will have my license in just one or two more jumps.   
This has become pretty consuming -- much harder and more  
time-consuming that I ever imagined -- and I look forward to getting  
back into the studio once I get the skydiving license and with the  
onset of winter in a few months.

All the best to one and all!

-- Kevin

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"an old farting dog in the corner"=0A=A0=0AWTF!? I'm only 38 y.o. Although =
I've been known to fart on occasion. =0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=0AFrom: mark francombe=
 =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent:=
 Tuesday, August 30, 2011 8:45 AM=0ASubject: Re: New Topic Suggestion=0A=0A=
=0AI agree Bill, and Im sure you saw the irony in what I was saying, I cert=
ainly DID enjoy your fine bit of yankee venting.=0A=0AOver the years on LD =
I have been the cause of a few misunderstandings and flamings, just cos hum=
our and political correctness are different the world over.=0A=0AI think it=
 is interesting that on a huge list like LD, we very rarely have these prob=
lems, and when they do pop up, I am always reminded of our sadly missed fou=
nder who never banned anyone, but I certainly received a well worded and cu=
rt private mail, intelligently putting me firmly in my place.=0A=0AThe peop=
le on LD are all wonderful, fine and on the most part friendly people, all =
skilled and passionate artists in what they do.=0AHere me...? Artists...Mus=
icians!!! Drunk, noisy, passionate Artists!!!=0ANot politicians, priests or=
 HR directors (although some might be!!)=0A=A0 =0AI dont think there is any=
 need for people to "prove" their shredding (or looping) skills, to be acce=
pted here, we are all newbs here in a way.=0A=0AOf course, random bursts of=
 anger or stupidity DO occur, but the nature of the internet and the short =
ill conceived messages it encourages, means that the medium is prone to exa=
ggeration, misunderstanding, and alot of hot air.=0A=0AI dont hate Mr Fudsk=
i, or what ever his name is, I just see him as an old farting dog in the co=
rner, or drunk Uncle Bob.. kind of annoying, but still part of the family.=
=0A=0A=0Athats it for me on this subject=0A=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AO=
n Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, William Walker  wro=
te:=0A=0AMe? I love a good punch-up, I still have a warm glow from the Walk=
erBros vs=0A>>Sottilaro match of =B408.. Phew, that was a stinker!=0A>>=0A>=
Well I'm mighty glad that bit of animosity was sooooo fucking amusing to yo=
u, Mark =A0you twee limey bastard ............... wow that felt good, reall=
y, really, good, and i hope it was good for you too Mark... think I'll ligh=
t a cigarette.. ;-)=0A>=A0In reality, that thing that happened back then wa=
s embarrassing to me, =A0because I personally did not exercise restraint wi=
th a person who seemed to take delight in being mean spirited. It got prett=
y ugly and I wasted way too much time in a pointless argument with a seriou=
sly angry person with whom logic and reason where not going to work. That's=
 a no win situation, and it reminds me a bit of what's happening now, thoug=
h so far, =A0knock on wood, it hasn't degenerated to the level of character=
 assassination and psychosis =A0that the previous incident did. Dare to dre=
am...........;-)=0A>Bill=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0AMark Francombe=0Awww.markfrancom=
be.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looo=
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"an old farting dog in the corner"


 


WTF!? I'm only 38 y.o. Although I've been known to f=
art on occasion. 


 


 









From:=
 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSent: Tuesday, August 30,=
 2011 8:45 AM
Subject: R=
e: New Topic Suggestion



I agree Bill, and Im sure you saw the irony in what =
I was saying, I certainly DID enjoy your fine bit of yankee venting.
Over the years on LD I have been the cause of a few misunderstandings and =
flamings, just cos humour and political correctness are different the world=
 over.

I think it is interesting that on a huge list like LD, we ver=
y rarely have these problems, and when they do pop up, I am always reminded=
 of our sadly missed founder who never banned anyone, but I certainly recei=
ved a well worded and curt private mail, intelligently putting me firmly in=
 my place.

The people on LD are all wonderful, fine and on the most =
part friendly people, all skilled and passionate artists in what they do.Here me...? Artists...Musicians!!! Drunk, noisy, passionate Artists!!!Not politicians, priests or HR directors (although some might be!!)
&nb=
sp; 
I dont think there is any need for people to "prove" their
 shredding (or looping) skills, to be accepted here, we are all newbs here =
in a way.

Of course, random bursts of anger or stupidity DO occur, b=
ut the nature of the internet and the short ill conceived messages it encou=
rages, means that the medium is prone to exaggeration, misunderstanding, an=
d alot of hot air.

I dont hate Mr Fudski, or what ever his name is, =
I just see him as an old farting dog in the corner, or drunk Uncle Bob.. ki=
nd of annoying, but still part of the family.


thats it for me on=
 this subject


Mark







On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Willi=
am Walker <billw=
alker@baymoon.com> wrote:






Me? I love a good punc=
h-up, I still have a warm glow from the WalkerBros vs
Sottilaro match of=
 =B408.. Phew, that was a stinker!

Well I'm might=
y glad that bit of animosity was sooooo fucking amusing to you, Mark  =
you twee limey bastard ............... wow that felt good, really, really, =
good, and i hope it was good for you too Mark... think I'll light a cigaret=
te.. ;-)
 In reality, that thing that happened back then was embarr=
assing to me,  because I personally did not exercise restraint with a =
person who seemed to take delight in being mean spirited. It got pretty ugl=
y and I wasted way too much time in a pointless argument with a seriously a=
ngry person with whom logic and reason where not going to work. That's a no=
 win situation, and it reminds me a bit of what's happening now, though
 so far,  knock on wood, it hasn't degenerated to the level of charact=
er assassination and psychosis  that the previous incident did. Dare t=
o dream...........;-)
Bill


-- 
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094=

http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe



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Resonates with me!

daniel
On Aug 30, 2011, at 9:39 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> Over the last year I've lurked more than I've posted so I'm writing to share some philosophical, musical, and technical thoughts.
> 
> As musicians we get many of, what I call, "15 minute of fame" moments.  We all decide what to do with them.  In a sense, an internet post is also such a moment and I am aware that for some people my post will lack resonance, some will find it entertaining, and perhaps someone will take some piece of fresh knowledge or inspiration from it.  The same with a performance or really with any interaction.  I try to avoid posting when I'm in a bad mood because the transient negativity will find its way onto the page and achieve permanance.
> 
> Anyway, I've spent a good deal of time with DIY electronics -- furiously adding new modules to my modular synth.  My synth has a MIDI-to-CV converter and, among other functions, converts MIDI Clock messages to clock signals.
> 
> The LP1 is a rock-solid MIDI clock source.  The way it works is that when one records and ends the master track (by default, the first track) the LP1 -- based on the length of the track and the Beats-per-Measure setting, outputs perfectly aligned MIDI clock events.
> 
> This opens up possibilities to do tightly synced work with the synthesizer.  One of the first issues that arise is that the result of these repeated triggers is repitition -- that is, percussive envelopes restart on every trigger producing a marimba or mandolin effect.
> 
> I modded some hardware logic circuits such that it would combine the triggers (from the MIDI CLOCK) with gates (from my keyboards) such that a Logical "AND" drives the output 'high' and remains high until a logical NOT OR condition occurs.   This allows long envelopes to start precisely on a clock without repeating on subsequent clocks.
> 
> This allows me to build very long loops that start with seemingly random events with big gaps of silence between them and to slowly add events that eventually coalesce into a groove.  The clock assures that each event will happen "on the beat" so to speak.
> 
> This track, entitled "Mysterious Bells" demonstrates this idea:
> 
> http://kevinkissinger.com/downloads/music/mysteriousbells_681.mp3
> 
> I created this track in 2010 -- and if I already shared this with you, please forgive me -- I honestly can't remember if I wrote about this here.
> 
> There was a recent thread here about the use of the LP1 when slaved to a clock -- however I like to use it as a master.
> 
> Off topic:
> 
> I haven't really done much music in 2011.  Last August my (grown up) kids, on a whim, decided to visit a nearby dropzone to do a "first jump" course.  They asked if I wanted to join them and I apprehensively agreed.  I was in a state of shear terror as I sat in the door of the airplane but as soon as I jumped out I was hooked and decided to keep jumping.  I'm up to 35 jumps and around 10 minutes of freefall time and will have my license in just one or two more jumps.  This has become pretty consuming -- much harder and more time-consuming that I ever imagined -- and I look forward to getting back into the studio once I get the skydiving license and with the onset of winter in a few months.
> 
> All the best to one and all!
> 
> -- Kevin
> 

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> WTF!? I'm only 38 y.o. Although I've been known to fart on occasion.
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You might want to try here, these guys have been diving in to the GR-55: 
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=60.0


On 8/30/2011 5:47 AM, mark francombe wrote:
> Ive been scouring the You Tube vids and reading the manual, and 
> there's one tiny clip that seems like it has some kind of arpeggiator 
> or sequencer function, but cant find anything about it... could be its 
> just part of a patch.. anyone know anything on that?
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>     On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mark francombe
>     > wrote:
>     > Does anyone have this yet? Thoughts? Looper specs?
>     >
>     > Mark
>     >
>     > Sent from my (advertisement removed)
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>     >
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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    You might want to try here, these guys have been diving in to the
    GR-55: http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=60.0

    

    

    On 8/30/2011 5:47 AM, mark francombe wrote:
    
Ive been scouring the You Tube vids and reading the
      manual, and there's one tiny clip that seems like it has some kind
      of arpeggiator or sequencer function, but cant find anything about
      it... could be its just part of a patch.. anyone know anything on
      that?

      

      M

      

      


        

          

            

            

            On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com>
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> Does anyone have this yet? Thoughts?
              Looper specs?

              >

              > Mark

              >

              > Sent from my (advertisement removed)

              >

              >

              

            

          

        

        

      

      

      

      

      -- 

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            Francombe

      www.markfrancombe.com

        www.ordoabkhao.com

        http://vimeo.com/user825094

        http://www.looop.no

        twitter @markfrancombe

    

    

  


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Quite interesting read Hans, actually most are a little disappointed with
the sounds. Im not too bothered by that tho, cos Ive never had a synth that
did have good presets. My trusty GR30 took years to get to what I have now
10 usable patches. And back to arps... What is with that? On the Gr 30 there
was this amazing Arpegiator, that is a staple for me, I use it everyday, and
Ive still yet to try the Walker repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi merge
boxes to do it).

That feature was and is for me, so innovative and musical, I simply have NOT
seen anything like it on anything else. Pers recommendation of the oberheim
is interesting as I tried on at a friends house once, but thats just an
arpegiator. the GR30 has a programmable beat on each string, so you can
really bring in and out different rhythms just by considered playing across
the fingerboard.

Dont you just hate it when they take away features?

Mark

PS: Pssst... Is Per getting back into hardware? OOhh I feel a "I told you
so" moment coming on...





On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote:

>  You might want to try here, these guys have been diving in to the GR-55:
> http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=60.0
>
>
>
> On 8/30/2011 5:47 AM, mark francombe wrote:
>
> Ive been scouring the You Tube vids and reading the manual, and there's one
> tiny clip that seems like it has some kind of arpeggiator or sequencer
> function, but cant find anything about it... could be its just part of a
> patch.. anyone know anything on that?
>
> M
>
>
>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mark francombe 
>> wrote:
>>  > Does anyone have this yet? Thoughts? Looper specs?
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > Sent from my (advertisement removed)
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Mark Francombe*
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
>
>
>


-- 
*Mark Francombe*
www.markfrancombe.com
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Quite interesting read Hans, actually most are a little disappointed with t=
he sounds. Im not too bothered by that tho, cos Ive never had a synth that =
did have good presets. My trusty GR30 took years to get to what I have now =
10 usable patches. And back to arps... What is with that? On the Gr 30 ther=
e was this amazing Arpegiator, that is a staple for me, I use it everyday, =
and Ive still yet to try the Walker repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi m=
erge boxes to do it).



That feature was and is for me, so innovative and musical, I simply hav=
e NOT seen anything like it on anything else. Pers recommendation of the ob=
erheim is interesting as I tried on at a friends house once, but thats just=
 an arpegiator. the GR30 has a programmable beat on each string, so you can=
 really bring in and out different rhythms just by considered playing acros=
s the fingerboard.



Dont you just hate it when they take away features?

Mark

=
PS: Pssst... Is Per getting back into hardware? OOhh I feel a "I told =
you so" moment coming on...







On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Hans Lindauer <hanslindauer@yahoo.com> w=
rote:



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    You might want to try here, these guys have been diving in to the
    GR-55: http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=3D60=
.0


    

    

    On 8/30/2011 5:47 AM, mark francombe wrote:
    
Ive been scouring the You Tube vids and readi=
ng the
      manual, and there's one tiny clip that seems like it has some kin=
d
      of arpeggiator or sequencer function, but cant find anything about
      it... could be its just part of a patch.. anyone know anything on
      that?

      

      M

      

      


        

          

            

            

            On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com>
            wrote:

          

          

            
> Does anyone have this yet? Thoughts?
              Looper specs?

              >

              > Mark

              >

              > Sent from my (advertisement removed)

              >

              >

              

            

          

        

        

      

      

      

      

      -- 

      Mark
            Francombe

      www.markfrancombe.com

        www.ordoabkhao.com

        http://vimeo.com/user825094

        http://www.looop.no

        twitter @markfrancombe

    

    

  






-- 
Mark Fra=
ncombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe


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> That feature was and is for me, so innovative and musical, I simply have NOT seen anything like it on anything else. Pers recommendation of the oberheim is interesting as I tried on at a friends house once, but thats just an arpegiator. the GR30 has a programmable beat on each string, so you can really bring in and out different rhythms just by considered playing across the fingerboard.
> 
> Dont you just hate it when they take away features?

Yes-- in my case, I moved to a Proteus 2000 for arpeggios and did some careful midi channel mapping per guitar string to allow for different arps on each string.  Same result as GR30, only a way bigger pallette of better sounds and fully programmable arps.  After all that programming though, I kind of lost interest in Gtr Synth and was drawn back to the dolcent goodness of strings, tubes and speakers. 

I have also put considerable effort into generating ARPs inside Ableton to be spit out as midi data to manipulate pitch of a given loop  (ala the Walker repeater trick mentioned below)   But this has not been so fruitful. 
Anyone else figure out how to drive arpeggio midi data into Mobius (Or any other SW looper) to manipulate pitch in real time?

Daniel 
 
On Aug 30, 2011, at 11:10 AM, mark francombe wrote:

> Quite interesting read Hans, actually most are a little disappointed with the sounds. Im not too bothered by that tho, cos Ive never had a synth that did have good presets. My trusty GR30 took years to get to what I have now 10 usable patches. And back to arps... What is with that? On the Gr 30 there was this amazing Arpegiator, that is a staple for me, I use it everyday, and Ive still yet to try the Walker repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi merge boxes to do it).
> 
> That feature was and is for me, so innovative and musical, I simply have NOT seen anything like it on anything else. Pers recommendation of the oberheim is interesting as I tried on at a friends house once, but thats just an arpegiator. the GR30 has a programmable beat on each string, so you can really bring in and out different rhythms just by considered playing across the fingerboard.
> 
> Dont you just hate it when they take away features?
> 
> Mark
> 
> PS: Pssst... Is Per getting back into hardware? OOhh I feel a "I told you so" moment coming on...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Hans Lindauer  wrote:
> You might want to try here, these guys have been diving in to the GR-55: http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=60.0
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/30/2011 5:47 AM, mark francombe wrote:
>> 
>> Ive been scouring the You Tube vids and reading the manual, and there's one tiny clip that seems like it has some kind of arpeggiator or sequencer function, but cant find anything about it... could be its just part of a patch.. anyone know anything on that?
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mark francombe  wrote:
>> > Does anyone have this yet? Thoughts? Looper specs?
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > Sent from my (advertisement removed)
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Francombe
>> www.markfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoabkhao.com
>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop.no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe


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That feature was and is for me, so =
innovative and musical, I simply have NOT seen anything like it on =
anything else. Pers recommendation of the oberheim is interesting as I =
tried on at a friends house once, but thats just an arpegiator. the GR30 =
has a programmable beat on each string, so you can really bring in and =
out different rhythms just by considered playing across the =
fingerboard.

Dont you just hate it when they take away =
features?

Yes-- in my case, I moved to a =
Proteus 2000 for arpeggios and did some careful midi channel mapping per =
guitar string to allow for different arps on each string.  Same =
result as GR30, only a way bigger pallette of better sounds and fully =
programmable arps.  After all that programming though, I kind of =
lost interest in Gtr Synth and was drawn back to the dolcent goodness of =
strings, tubes and speakers. 

I have also put =
considerable effort into generating ARPs inside Ableton to be spit out =
as midi data to manipulate pitch of a given loop  (ala the Walker =
repeater trick mentioned below)   But this has not been so =
fruitful. 
Anyone else figure out how to drive arpeggio =
midi data into Mobius (Or any other SW looper) to manipulate pitch in =
real =
time?

Daniel 
 
On=
 Aug 30, 2011, at 11:10 AM, mark francombe wrote:

Quite =
interesting read Hans, actually most are a little disappointed with the =
sounds. Im not too bothered by that tho, cos Ive never had a synth that =
did have good presets. My trusty GR30 took years to get to what I have =
now 10 usable patches. And back to arps... What is with that? On the Gr =
30 there was this amazing Arpegiator, that is a staple for me, I use it =
everyday, and Ive still yet to try the Walker repeater trick (due to =
needing 2 midi merge boxes to do it).



That feature was and is for me, so innovative and musical, I simply =
have NOT seen anything like it on anything else. Pers recommendation of =
the oberheim is interesting as I tried on at a friends house once, but =
thats just an arpegiator. the GR30 has a programmable beat on each =
string, so you can really bring in and out different rhythms just by =
considered playing across the fingerboard.



Dont you just hate it when they take away =
features?

Mark

PS: Pssst... Is Per getting back into =
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Daniel Thomas  wrote:
> Anyone else figure out how to drive arpeggio midi data into Mobius (Or any
> other SW looper) to manipulate pitch in real time?


Yes. For the track below I mocked up a related meta instrument idea by
two components: The Expert Sleepers live sampler Cross Fade Loop Synth
and a simple pattern sequencer of Bidule's. But the reason I call it
"a meta instrument" is that the pattern sequencer is set to switch
program on the same MIDI events I use for sped/rate shifting whatever
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below a flute was used as source sound and the bubbling baseline is
what this setup added:
http://erdemhelvacioglu-perboysen.bandcamp.com/track/metal-sky

But unfortunately I could never get a sound free from clicks and other
noise artifacts on the 2.2 Macbook I was using then. I don't have time
now, or the creative need for it in a project, but at some time along
the future path I will definitely go back to using this thingy on a
better computer :-))

Here's a more detailed description:
http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-looperformer-please-steal-this/

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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:
> The Expert Sleepers live sampler Cross Fade Loop Synth
> and a simple pattern sequencer of Bidule's

Oops, sorry. The name of the live sampler plugin is rather Cross Fade
Loop Synth Effect!
Os has a fresh demo video on both up at
http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/index_files/new-demo-video-for-crossfade-loop-synth.php

cheers
Per

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Per, you most excellent genius, I remain in your debt.
Daniel 


On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:
>> The Expert Sleepers live sampler Cross Fade Loop Synth
>> and a simple pattern sequencer of Bidule's
> 
> Oops, sorry. The name of the live sampler plugin is rather Cross Fade
> Loop Synth Effect!
> Os has a fresh demo video on both up at
> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/index_files/new-demo-video-for-crossfade-loop-synth.php
> 
> cheers
> Per
> 

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> You might want to try here, these guys have been diving in to the GR-55:
> http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=60.0

Super, Hans! Looks great... need to brew some coffee to digest all
that. Nice :-)

Per

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Cool similar things are quite easy to achive on the Elektron Octrack=2C sim=
ple set up a track to record say four beats of input audio every 16 (or 32=
=2C 25=2C 64 or ..) beat and let that for beat snippet be looped and pichif=
ted so that=2C for axample it first i root=2C 5th=2C 4th 7th (or whatever) =
that way te short snippet will be arpeggited and resampled everu 16th (32=
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 and you get the two arpeggiedet patterns move polyrhytomic ( one track cou=
ld be 16 beat the other 20 for example) ... then you could also let one tra=
ck be the LFO for an other track...... so basically a "live" audio stream c=
ould be LFO that affects pitch or rate or filters or start point of the loo=
p or length or delay setting or distortion or a combination... much fun.. m=
uch=2C much fun and no programming... On the other hand quite often it soun=
d more strange than good.. but it's great fun.
Greetings from Tr=E5ngsund - Sweden =3B)

> Yes. For the track below I mocked up a related meta instrument idea by
> two components: The Expert Sleepers live sampler Cross Fade Loop Synth
> and a simple pattern sequencer of Bidule's. But the reason I call it
> "a meta instrument" is that the pattern sequencer is set to switch
> program on the same MIDI events I use for sped/rate shifting whatever
> audio I layer in Mobius - so the bubbling sequencer line plays a short
> sample of my acoustic instrument in a pre programmed pattern that
> always fits to the new pitch my looper is turned into. In the example
> below a flute was used as source sound and the bubbling baseline is
> what this setup added:
> http://erdemhelvacioglu-perboysen.bandcamp.com/track/metal-sky
>=20
> But unfortunately I could never get a sound free from clicks and other
> noise artifacts on the 2.2 Macbook I was using then. I don't have time
> now=2C or the creative need for it in a project=2C but at some time along
> the future path I will definitely go back to using this thingy on a
> better computer :-))
>=20
> Here's a more detailed description:
> http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-looperformer-please-steal-this/
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=2C 25=2C 64 or ..) beat and let that for beat snippet be looped and pichif=
ted so that=2C for axample it first i root=2C 5th=2C 4th 7th (or whatever) =
that way te short snippet will be arpeggited and resampled everu 16th (32=
=2C or what ever) beat.. not set up and other track set to a difrant length=
 and you get the two arpeggiedet patterns move polyrhytomic ( one track cou=
ld be 16 beat the other 20 for example) ... then you could also let one tra=
ck be the LFO for an other track...... so basically a "live" audio stream c=
ould be LFO that affects pitch or rate or filters or start point of the loo=
p or length or delay setting or distortion or a combination... much fun.. m=
uch=2C much fun and no programming... On the other hand quite often it soun=
d more strange than good.. but it's great fun.

Greetings=
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Anders Bergdahl <
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> Greetings from Tr=E5ngsund - Sweden ;)


jeez I really need to take a long drive to  Tr=E5ngsund to see THAT in
action...

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Greetings from Tr=E5ngsund - Sweden ;)

jeez I really =
need to take a long drive to=A0 Tr=E5ngsund to see THAT in action...

-- 
Mark Francombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


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I'm amp/speaker-less, and would love a compact box for handling 
convolution/impulse responses.
An example of such an application could be Peavey's DeConvolver.

We've previously talked about such (VST-player) appliances here, like the 
Australian V-something boxes (don't recall the brandname right now).
IIRC, those were judged not really good enough, but things may've changed..

I could use a lappie, but prefer a dedicated box mounted in my rig.
This doesn't have to be a 19" device. Anything no taller than 1U will do.

Also, while I know MIDI preset switchings can be handled via some Live 
packages, I'm hoping a dedicated box will be easier to use, i.e. like any 
other programmable effects device.

Ideally, such a box would also allow running a stereo looper ;)
Anything else I already have.

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hey Mark, as one ironic guy to another yes of course I did see the  
irony and the black humor and I hope you got the irony in return,  
though the second part wasn't irony, BTW is there a universal symbol  
for irony or sarcasm ? Sometimes the smiley face doesn't quite cut it.
  bill

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Also Sprach Mark

Quite interesting read Hans, actually most are a little disappointed  
with the sounds. Im not too bothered by that tho, cos Ive never had a  
synth that did have good presets. My trusty GR30 took years to get to  
what I have now 10 usable patches. And back to arps... What is with  
that? On the Gr 30 there was this amazing Arpegiator, that is a staple  
for me, I use it everyday, and Ive still yet to try the Walker  
repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi merge boxes to do it).

  I couldn't agree more though I haven't used mine in sometime, the  
gr30's arpeggiator and what it could do to drive my repeater was  
totally responsible for some of the things I was doing 7 years ago.  
All the impossible to play arpeggio stuff was using the gr as an arp  
trigger for the repeater, to make single note samples behave  
polyphonically with a wild natural portamento between notes, however  
limited  the sound engine was the arpeggiator did and still does kick  
ass, simple to program easy to use. Re GR55,  I will investigate  
further but I believe you are right, any arpeggiation is patch  
specific and non programmable. Haven't had much time on one  
personally, they have trickled in and sold quickly.
  Bill
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Also Sprach =
Mark

Quite interesting read Hans, actually most =
are a little disappointed with the sounds. Im not too bothered by that =
tho, cos Ive never had a synth that did have good presets. My trusty =
GR30 took years to get to what I have now 10 usable patches. And back to =
arps... What is with that? On the Gr 30 there was this amazing =
Arpegiator, that is a staple for me, I use it everyday, and Ive still =
yet to try the Walker repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi merge boxes =
to do it).
 I couldn't agree =
more though I haven't used mine in sometime, the gr30's arpeggiator and =
what it could do to drive my repeater was totally responsible for some =
of the things I was doing 7 years ago. All the impossible to play =
arpeggio stuff was using the gr as an arp trigger for the repeater, to =
make single note samples behave polyphonically with a wild natural =
portamento between notes, however limited  the sound engine was the =
arpeggiator did and still does kick ass, simple to program easy to use. =
Re GR55,  I will investigate further but I believe you are right, =
any arpeggiation is patch specific and non programmable. Haven't had =
much time on one personally, they have trickled in and sold =
quickly.

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Why would one want a guitar synth and not an MIDI interface to any of the m=
any great synths out there... I can see anuy knobs on the gr55 that allows =
for fun realtime manipulations of LFO's=2C filters and other fun stuff..=20
Or am I missing something..

From: billwalker@baymoon.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Roland gr55
Date: Tue=2C 30 Aug 2011 15:31:37 -0700

Also Sprach Mark

Quite interesting read Hans=2C actually most are a little disappointed with=
 the sounds. Im not too bothered by that tho=2C cos Ive never had a synth t=
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 I couldn't agree more though I haven't used mine in sometime=2C the gr30's=
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 did and still does kick ass=2C simple to program easy to use. Re GR55=2C  =
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for fun realtime manipulations of LFO's=2C filters and other fun stuff..&nb=
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Or am I missing something..

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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d=
elight.com
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Date: Tue=2C 30 Aug 2011 15:31:37=
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Also Sprach Mark

Quite interesting read =
Hans=2C actually most are a little disappointed with the sounds. Im not too=
 bothered by that tho=2C cos Ive never had a synth that did have good prese=
ts. My trusty GR30 took years to get to what I have now 10 usable patches. =
And back to arps... What is with that? On the Gr 30 there was this amazing =
Arpegiator=2C that is a staple for me=2C I use it everyday=2C and Ive still=
 yet to try the Walker repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi merge boxes to=
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 =3BI co=
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The wonderful guitarist and looper Bill Walker wondered:

BTW is there a universal symbol  

for irony or sarcasm ? Sometimes the smiley face doesn't quite cut it.

  Bill

 

I found this page:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2002/sep/19/netnotes

with this text-interesting stuff . . .

 

1. Twenty years ago today a computer scientist from the Carnegie Mellon
University, Pittsburgh, USA named Scott Fahlman
  first suggested the use of a smiley, or
emoticon  ,
as a way of expressing sarcasm of irony in emails to the humourously
challenged. ;-) 

2. Fahlman's September 19 1982 message
  posted on a
university message board has gone down in internet folklore as the year zero
of smiley language. :-) 

3. Fahlman explains the origins of the emoticon in his smiley lore
 . The emoticon has become so
popular that an Emoticon
  News Bureau
has been created to monitor events in the world of the smiley. :~/ 

4. Yet despite this momentous invention, Fahlman has never made a penny from
it 
. He did not realise what a popular new language he had invented on that
September day, he never thought to patent it or even to keep a record of the
day himself. :-( 

5. However, a debate has arisen over whether Fahlman is the true inventor of
the smiley. According to the Internet Tip's
  brief history of the smiley, a
man called Kevin MacKenzie sent the first smiley in an email on April 12
1979. His emoticon was the symbol -) meaning "tongue in cheek". 8-] 

6. No matter who invented it, the Hacker's
  Dictionary describes the
emoticon as a vital way to prevent misunderstandings between hackers that
could lead to arguments and flame
  wars! :-0 

7. Smileys have evolved so far that they are now used in everyday internet
conversations   along
with other abbreviations such as lol and brb. The Newbie Profile provides a
useful, if somewhat confusing guide to using smileys in messages. 8~/

 


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The wonderful guitarist and looper Bill Walker =
wondered:



BTW is there a universal =
symbol  



for irony or sarcasm ? Sometimes =
the smiley
face doesn't quite cut it.



  =
Bill



 


I found this page:



http://www.g=
uardian.co.uk/news/2002/sep/19/netnotes



with this text—interesting stuff . . =
.



 



1. Twenty years ago today a computer =
scientist from
the Carnegie Mellon
University, Pittsburgh, USA
named Scott =
Fahlman
first suggested the use of a smiley, or emoticon, as a way of expressing sarcasm =
of irony
in emails to the humourously challenged. ;-) =




2.
Fahlman's September 19 1982 message
posted on a university message board has gone down in internet folklore =
as the
year zero of smiley language. :-) 



3. Fahlman explains the origins of the =
emoticon in his
smiley lore.
The emoticon has become so popular that an Emoticon
News Bureau has been created to monitor events in the world of the =
smiley.
:~/ 



4. Yet despite this momentous invention, =
Fahlman has never made a penny from it. He did not realise what =
a popular
new language he had invented on that September day, he never thought to =
patent
it or even to keep a record of the day himself. :-( =




5. However, a debate has arisen over whether =
Fahlman
is the true inventor of the smiley. According to the Internet Tip's
brief history of the smiley, a man called Kevin MacKenzie sent the =
first
smiley in an email on April 12 1979. His emoticon was the symbol -) =
meaning
"tongue in cheek". 8-] 



6. No matter who invented it, the Hacker's
Dictionary describes the emoticon as a vital way to prevent
misunderstandings between hackers that could lead to arguments and flame
wars! :-0 



7. Smileys have evolved so far that they are =
now used
in everyday internet conversations along with other =
abbreviations such as
lol and brb. The Newbie
Profile provides a useful, if somewhat confusing guide to using =
smileys in
messages. 8~/



 









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so we got: ? > M 13 > LOOP SEND > RANG > LOOP RETURN M 13 > speakers.....


is it possible to have the loop (s) from the rang return to the M 13 withou=
t triggering the=20



FX?  i.e. i have a clean loop playing on the rang but i want to use a disto=
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bit of solo over the loop, if i bring the loop into the M 13 it will then b=
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with the my MONSTER solo.....TANKS MUCHO!




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so we got: ? > M 13 > LOOP SE=
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Yeah you are missing a few things Anders.

Firstly, there are very few 12 string pickups like the GK2 and 3 to choose
from, there Rolan and Axon (an one more I believe) Both need a machine to
plug into, No, its not midi coming out of that pickup... yet. The guitar
synth is the bit that will do that for you, and in a large way is the bit
that can affect the tracking and response of the midi information. From that
box you CAN connect to a synth, but in my experience there has been a
greater lag and even less response.

The OTHER hex route is the VG style boxes.

The reasone why we are all getting hot under the collar about the GR55 is
that its the first box to combine both systems.
So convenience... I think that is what this synth seems to offer.

Personally if I can use it for rudimentory guitar sounds (distortions and
reverbs) as well as the synth stuff, it frees up some space in the rack for
more weirdness...

 wrote:
I can see anuy knobs on the gr55 that allows for fun realtime manipulations
of LFO's, filters and other fun stuff..

er.. it has a pedal?

:-))

M



On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Anders Bergdahl <
anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Why would one want a guitar synth and not an MIDI interface to any of the
> many great synths out there... I can see anuy knobs on the gr55 that allows
> for fun realtime manipulations of LFO's, filters and other fun stuff..
>
> Or am I missing something..
>
> ------------------------------
> From: billwalker@baymoon.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Roland gr55
> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:31:37 -0700
>
>
> Also Sprach Mark
>
> Quite interesting read Hans, actually most are a little disappointed with
> the sounds. Im not too bothered by that tho, cos Ive never had a synth that
> did have good presets. My trusty GR30 took years to get to what I have now
> 10 usable patches. And back to arps... What is with that? On the Gr 30 there
> was this amazing Arpegiator, that is a staple for me, I use it everyday, and
> Ive still yet to try the Walker repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi merge
> boxes to do it).
>
>  I couldn't agree more though I haven't used mine in sometime, the gr30's
> arpeggiator and what it could do to drive my repeater was totally
> responsible for some of the things I was doing 7 years ago. All the
> impossible to play arpeggio stuff was using the gr as an arp trigger for the
> repeater, to make single note samples behave polyphonically with a wild
> natural portamento between notes, however limited  the sound engine was the
> arpeggiator did and still does kick ass, simple to program easy to use. Re
> GR55,  I will investigate further but I believe you are right, any
> arpeggiation is patch specific and non programmable. Haven't had much time
> on one personally, they have trickled in and sold quickly.
>  Bill
>



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Yeah you are missing a few things Anders.

Firstly, there are very fe=
w 12 string pickups like the GK2 and 3 to choose from, there Rolan and Axon=
 (an one more I believe) Both need a machine to plug into, No, its not midi=
 coming out of that pickup... yet. The guitar synth is the bit that will do=
 that for you, and in a large way is the bit that can affect the tracking a=
nd response of the midi information. From that box you CAN connect to a syn=
th, but in my experience there has been a greater lag and even less respons=
e.



The OTHER hex route is the VG style boxes.

The reasone why we ar=
e all getting hot under the collar about the GR55 is that its the first box=
 to combine both systems. 
So convenience... I think that is what this s=
ynth seems to offer.



Personally if I can use it for rudimentory guitar sounds (distortions a=
nd reverbs) as well as the synth stuff, it frees up some space in the rack =
for more weirdness...

 <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrot=
e:


I can see anuy knobs on the gr55 that allows for fun realtime manipulations=
 of LFO's, filters and other fun stuff.. 

er.. it has a pedal?
:-))

M



On Wed, Aug 3=
1, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:









Why would one want a guitar synth and not an MIDI interface to any of the m=
any great synths out there... I can see anuy knobs on the gr55 that allows =
for fun realtime manipulations of LFO's, filters and other fun stuff..=
=A0



Or am I missing something..

From: billwalker@baymoon.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


Subject: Re: Roland gr55
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:31:37 -0700
=



Also Sprach Mark



Quite interesting =
read Hans, actually most are a little disappointed with the sounds. Im not =
too bothered by that tho, cos Ive never had a synth that did have good pres=
ets. My trusty GR30 took years to get to what I have now 10 usable patches.=
 And back to arps... What is with that? On the Gr 30 there was this amazing=
 Arpegiator, that is a staple for me, I use it everyday, and Ive still yet =
to try the Walker repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi merge boxes to do i=
t).



=A0I couldn't agree more=
 though I haven't used mine in sometime, the gr30's arpeggiator and=
 what it could do to drive my repeater was totally responsible for some of =
the things I was doing 7 years ago. All the impossible to play arpeggio stu=
ff was using the gr as an arp trigger for the repeater, to make single note=
 samples behave polyphonically with a wild natural portamento between notes=
, however limited =A0the sound engine was the arpeggiator did and still doe=
s kick ass, simple to program easy to use. Re GR55, =A0I will investigate f=
urther but I believe you are right, any arpeggiation is patch specific and =
non programmable. Haven't had much time on one personally, they have tr=
ickled in and sold quickly.



=A0Bill
=

 		 	   		  





-- 
Mark Fra=
ncombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe


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Well-said, Mark =85 the lag/lack of efficiency from using a GI-20 to get
MIDI into a synth module isn't hideous (haven't really objectively
tested it) and suspect it's about on par with going straight to a GR-1
or GR-20 (I've  run both). And using the VG-8 is about the same.

So the idea of getting some floor space back by not having both a GR-1
AND a VG-8 would be nice (I'd still use a US-20 to split things off to
the GI-20 =97 I LIKE having a full-blown synth module being driven by
the guitar =85).

Anders, do you see why now?

Best,

Dennis

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http://audiozoloft.com
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:51 PM, mark francombe  wr=
ote:
> Yeah you are missing a few things Anders.
>
> Firstly, there are very few 12 string pickups like the GK2 and 3 to choos=
e
> from, there Rolan and Axon (an one more I believe) Both need a machine to
> plug into, No, its not midi coming out of that pickup... yet. The guitar
> synth is the bit that will do that for you, and in a large way is the bit
> that can affect the tracking and response of the midi information. From t=
hat
> box you CAN connect to a synth, but in my experience there has been a
> greater lag and even less response.
>
> The OTHER hex route is the VG style boxes.
>
> The reasone why we are all getting hot under the collar about the GR55 is
> that its the first box to combine both systems.
> So convenience... I think that is what this synth seems to offer.
>
> Personally if I can use it for rudimentory guitar sounds (distortions and
> reverbs) as well as the synth stuff, it frees up some space in the rack f=
or
> more weirdness...
>
>  wrote:
> I can see anuy knobs on the gr55 that allows for fun realtime manipulatio=
ns
> of LFO's, filters and other fun stuff..
>
> er.. it has a pedal?
>
> :-))
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Anders Bergdahl
>  wrote:
>>
>> Why would one want a guitar synth and not an MIDI interface to any of th=
e
>> many great synths out there... I can see anuy knobs on the gr55 that all=
ows
>> for fun realtime manipulations of LFO's, filters and other fun stuff..
>> Or am I missing something..
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: billwalker@baymoon.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: Roland gr55
>> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:31:37 -0700
>>
>> Also Sprach Mark
>>
>> Quite interesting read Hans, actually most are a little disappointed wit=
h
>> the sounds. Im not too bothered by that tho, cos Ive never had a synth t=
hat
>> did have good presets. My trusty GR30 took years to get to what I have n=
ow
>> 10 usable patches. And back to arps... What is with that? On the Gr 30 t=
here
>> was this amazing Arpegiator, that is a staple for me, I use it everyday,=
 and
>> Ive still yet to try the Walker repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi me=
rge
>> boxes to do it).
>> =A0I couldn't agree more though I haven't used mine in sometime, the gr3=
0's
>> arpeggiator and what it could do to drive my repeater was totally
>> responsible for some of the things I was doing 7 years ago. All the
>> impossible to play arpeggio stuff was using the gr as an arp trigger for=
 the
>> repeater, to make single note samples behave polyphonically with a wild
>> natural portamento between notes, however limited =A0the sound engine wa=
s the
>> arpeggiator did and still does kick ass, simple to program easy to use. =
Re
>> GR55, =A0I will investigate further but I believe you are right, any
>> arpeggiation is patch specific and non programmable. Haven't had much ti=
me
>> on one personally, they have trickled in and sold quickly.
>> =A0Bill
>
>
> --
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
>

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I"m holding out 'til they have a system that offers all 3 things that I 
need and use:

Completely independent FX for my magnetic PUs

Completely independent Hexaphonic COSM processing

AND

Completely independent Guitar Synthesis.

"Til then i guess I keep with my VF-1+Vortex, VG99, and GR1 mixed down 
and inserted into MaxMSP.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:51 PM, mark francombe wrote:

The reasone why we are all getting hot under the collar about the GR55 
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"Til th=
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ALL CAPS

On 8/30/2011 3:24 PM, William Walker wrote:
> BTW is there a universal symbol for irony or sarcasm ? Sometimes the 
> smiley face doesn't quite cut it.

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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote:
>
> Dont you just hate it when they take away features?
Man,   I remember hating Roland when Bill first got into guitar 
synthesizers.    As always,  he put so much time into programming that 
first
synth that he had (the blue one as I recall,  I don't know the 
number)........he had this one patch that I just freaking loved and a 
particular kind
of sequencer.    When the new
one came out it had new features that made it more fun, but to my ear, 
there was never as cool a sound on it as in the original, cruder model and
I think even the sequencer had changed. Bill would know the details as 
he was the one who programmed it,  but I was sooooo dissapointed because
in whatever band we were in at the time, we lost that amazing voice.

I remember that Alesis had an infinite reverb setting in the MidiVerb 
2...............of course, when they updated (and I foolishly bought 
into it)
that patch not only no longer existed but I was unable to customize one 
that sounded nearly as cool.

To this day,  despite how low fi that unit was, I've never heard an 
infinite reverb setting that sounded as good on found sound objects.

It's almost worth going out and finding an ancient one to buy.

And speaking of archaic.  I now own the very first guitar synthesizer 
(guitar only) that Roland ever made.
I imagine it is only of interest to a collector, but it is for sale if 
anyone is intrigued.   I'll sell it inexpensively.

rick walker

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Bill Walker asked: 
"BTW is there a universal symbol for irony or sarcasm ? Sometimes the smiley face doesn't quite cut it."
__________________________

I just heard about Sartalics a few weeks ago; it's a backwards-slanted italic-like font that's intended to be a clear expression of non-serious sarcasm or irony in emails, websites, social media, etc.




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Bill Walker asked: 
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I just heard about Sartalics a few weeks ago; it's a backwards-slanted italic-like font that's intended to be a clear expression of non-serious sarcasm or irony in emails, websites, social media, etc.


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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:51 AM, mark francombe  wrote:
> The reasone why we are all getting hot under the collar about the GR55 is
> that its the first box to combine both systems.

Plus even a third item: the COSM stuff!
(wet that collar...)

Pierzon

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use open and close sarcasm tags.  your sarcastic statement
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Clayton Gary Lehmann 
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:44 PM
  Subject: Emoticon for irony--OT?


  The wonderful guitarist and looper Bill Walker wondered:

  BTW is there a universal symbol  

  for irony or sarcasm ? Sometimes the smiley face doesn't quite cut it.

    Bill

   

  I found this page:

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2002/sep/19/netnotes

  with this text-interesting stuff . . .

   

  1. Twenty years ago today a computer scientist from the Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, USA named Scott Fahlman first suggested the use of a smiley, or emoticon, as a way of expressing sarcasm of irony in emails to the humourously challenged. ;-) 

  2. Fahlman's September 19 1982 message posted on a university message board has gone down in internet folklore as the year zero of smiley language. :-) 

  3. Fahlman explains the origins of the emoticon in his smiley lore. The emoticon has become so popular that an Emoticon News Bureau has been created to monitor events in the world of the smiley. :~/ 

  4. Yet despite this momentous invention, Fahlman has never made a penny from it. He did not realise what a popular new language he had invented on that September day, he never thought to patent it or even to keep a record of the day himself. :-( 

  5. However, a debate has arisen over whether Fahlman is the true inventor of the smiley. According to the Internet Tip's brief history of the smiley, a man called Kevin MacKenzie sent the first smiley in an email on April 12 1979. His emoticon was the symbol -) meaning "tongue in cheek". 8-] 

  6. No matter who invented it, the Hacker's Dictionary describes the emoticon as a vital way to prevent misunderstandings between hackers that could lead to arguments and flame wars! :-0 

  7. Smileys have evolved so far that they are now used in everyday internet conversations along with other abbreviations such as lol and brb. The Newbie Profile provides a useful, if somewhat confusing guide to using smileys in messages. 8~/

   

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use open and close sarcasm tags. =20
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This usually does the =
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Awesome and informative post, Gary.......thanks. I'm forwarding it!

rick walker

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
>
> I found this page:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2002/sep/19/netnotes
>
> with this text—interesting stuff . . .
>
> 1. Twenty years ago today a computer scientist from the Carnegie 
> Mellon University, Pittsburgh, USA namedScott Fahlman 
>  first suggested the use of asmiley, 
> or emoticon 
> , as a 
> way of expressing sarcasm of irony in emails to the humourously 
> challenged. ;-)
>
> 2. Fahlman's September 19 1982message 
>  posted on a 
> university message board has gone down in internet folklore as the 
> year zero of smiley language. :-)
>
> 3. Fahlman explains the origins of the emoticon in his smiley lore 
> . The emoticon has 
> become so popular that an Emoticon News Bureau 
>  has 
> been created to monitor events in the world of the smiley. :~/
>
> 4. Yet despite this momentous invention, Fahlman has never made a 
> penny from it 
> . 
> He did not realise what a popular new language he had invented on that 
> September day, he never thought to patent it or even to keep a record 
> of the day himself. :-(
>
> 5. However, a debate has arisen over whether Fahlman is the true 
> inventor of the smiley. According to the Internet Tip's brief history 
> of the smiley , a man called 
> Kevin MacKenzie sent the first smiley in an email on April 12 1979. 
> His emoticon was the symbol -) meaning "tongue in cheek". 8-]
>
> 6. No matter who invented it, the Hacker's Dictionary 
>  describes the 
> emoticon as a vital way to prevent misunderstandings between hackers 
> that could lead to arguments and flame wars 
> ! :-0
>
> 7. Smileys have evolved so far that they are now used in everyday 
> internet conversations 
>  along with other 
> abbreviations such as lol and brb. The Newbie Profile 
> <%20http://tgos.org/newbie/reading5.html> provides a useful, if 
> somewhat confusing guide to using smileys in messages. 8~/
>

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Why not do this:  ?>M13>RANG>SPEAKERS? That way you are free to use any effects you desire while creating loops and then change the effects freely for additional layering or playing over the loops.


 


G


 





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so we got: ? > M 13 > LOOP SEND > RANG > LOOP RETURN M 13 > speakers..... 




is it possible to have the loop (s) from the rang return to the M 13 without triggering the 





FX?  i.e. i have a clean loop playing on the rang but i want to use a distorted sound on a 







bit of solo over the loop, if i bring the loop into the M 13 it will then be distorted along 





with the my MONSTER solo.....TANKS MUCHO!








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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote:
> I think it is interesting that on a huge list like LD, we very rarely 
> have these problems, and when they do pop up, I am always reminded of 
> our sadly missed founder who never banned anyone, but I certainly 
> received a well worded and curt private mail, intelligently putting me 
> firmly in my place.
I always appreciated Kim's approach, too, Mark,  even though I didn't 
get it at first to be honest.

What happens is that when you call someone out in public,  shaming 
occurs................people get really angry when they feel
that someone is trying to shame or attack them.

There are, imho, wiser and more compassionate ways of cooling things 
down than strict moderation.

An off list post suggesting that one cool their jets or take a 
conversation off line,  even with a warning is far more effective, I 
believe.

What this prevents is a clash of people's emotional styles between the 
moderator and the moderated.

Some people grew up in homes where arguing was completely frowned
on...........some where it was encouraged.............some where that 
could became abusive.............some where not discussing at all  was 
highly repressed.
There are all shades of emotional communications...................and 
not everyone is fucked up  because their modes of communication
differ.

Occasionally,  you'll get someone who will go over the top and not stop 
but, in the end,  verbal akido, if you will,  is usually the best
policy...........people will cook themselves if they keep going over the 
top.

You are right though, Mark......this really is a good list all in all 
and we've had remarkably few flame wars in the past.
I think that is something to be proud of............cooler heads tend to 
prevail.


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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
> "an old farting dog in the corner"
> WTF!? I'm only 38 y.o. Although I've been known to fart on occasion.
Interesting to know.   I'd still love to hear your looping explorations.
That would give us all a better understanding of where you are coming 
from, aesthetically.

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    On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
    

      
"an old farting dog in
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WTF!? I'm only 38 y.o.
            Although I've been known to fart on occasion. 

    

    Interesting to know.   I'd still love to hear your looping
    explorations. 

    That would give us all a better understanding of where you are
    coming from, aesthetically.

    

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And even more so in watermelon years.

On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

>> WTF!? I'm only 38 y.o. Although I've been known to fart on occasion.
>> 
> That's ancient in dog years.

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Kevin Kissinger wrote:
> I try to avoid posting when I'm in a bad mood because the transient negativity will find its way onto the page and achieve permanance.

This is extremely well put, Kevin.  Thanks for the wisdom.   I will use 
this as a guide for myself in the future.

Also,  really digging your Bells piece.

appreciatively,

Rick Walker

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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Tim Nelson wrote:
> Bill Walker asked:
> "BTW is there a universal symbol for irony or sarcasm ? Sometimes the 
> smiley face doesn't quite cut it."
> __________________________
> I just heard about Sartalics a few weeks ago; it's a backwards-slanted 
> italic-like font that's intended to be a clear expression of 
> non-serious sarcasm or irony in emails, websites, social media, etc.
>
>  >
Read the first ten responses to this idea on this page to get a good 
idea why this may never take off.  I'm skeptical, myself.

******************************************

My other thought is that sarcasm, on some levels,  is a communication 
used because people are afraid to just communicate very directly
what they want to get across.

I grew up in a family that used sarcasm liberally and I fall into it 
occasionally as an adult, but my wife and
I have tried hard to eliminate it from our communication because it just 
isn't direct and it is frequently misunderstood causing emotional 
triggering
that never helps communication.

It, to me, is in the same category as 'put down' 
humor...................it always feels good to the person using it (and 
thought to be funny)  but it rarely
feels good to the person receiving it..........a mild kind of win/lose 
kind of communication.

......but maybe I'm being to serious here, it does 
happen................

rick walker

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On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote:
>>=20
>> Dont you just hate it when they take away features?
> Man,   I remember hating Roland when Bill first got into guitar =
synthesizers.    As always,  he put so much time into programming that =
first
> synth that he had (the blue one as I recall,  I don't know the number)

Blue would presumably mean GR-300.

I owned a GR-500. I played with a GR-700. Sadly I never got a chance to =
try the GR-100 and GR-300 which were probably two of the better entrants =
in the series.

I also used to own an Ibanez MIDI guitar with which I would drive a =
Yamaha TX81Z.

I am not a speedy guitarist by any means, but somehow the lag always =
left me feeling disconnected, so I guess my fingers may not move fast =
but my ears do.

My favorite feature on the GR-500 was probably when it would lose pitch =
lock. One could have a nice synth note going and then it would go all =
random as it trailed off. It was a cool effect but I never found a way =
to produce it on demand. (http://grubmah.com/music/midnight_train.mp3)

Mark

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so we got: ? > M 13 > LOOP SEND > RANG > LOOP RETURN M 13 >  
speakers.....

is it possible to have the loop (s) from the rang return to the M 13  
without triggering the

FX?  i.e. i have a clean loop playing on the rang but i want to use a  
distorted sound on a

bit of solo over the loop, if i bring the loop into the M 13 it will  
then be distorted along

with the my MONSTER solo.....TANKS MUCHO!



  the effects loop can be placed anywhere in the chain,  you have to  
go to the set up menu to find that parameter, so if you want to have  
most of your effects before the rang but only one column after the  
rang you would place the rang between effects #3 and #4. If you want  
to place it at the end of your chain you may as well just run the M-13  
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to change where the rang is placed, keep it in the effects  loop.
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so we got: ? > M 13 > =
LOOP SEND > RANG > LOOP RETURN M 13 > =
speakers.....

is it possible to have the loop (s) from the rang =
return to the M 13 without triggering =
the 

FX?  i.e. i have a clean loop playing on the rang =
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a 

bit of solo =
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distorted along 

with the my MONSTER =
solo.....TANKS MUCHO!
 the effects loop can be placed =
anywhere in the chain,  you have to go to the set up menu to find =
that parameter, so if you want to have most of your effects before the =
rang but only one column after the rang you would place the rang between =
effects #3 and #4. If you want to place it at the end of your chain you =
may as well just run the M-13 before the rang, to save two cables, but =
if you want the flexibility to change where the rang is placed, keep it =
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Bill
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Mark Hamburg  wrote:

> On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
> Blue would presumably mean GR-300.
>

No I think maybe Rick meant a GR 09

 http://www.suonoelettronico.com/public/articoli/roland_gr09.jpg

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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Mark Ha=
mburg <mark@grubma=
h.com> wrote:


On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

Blue would presumably mean GR-300.

No I think maybe Rick meant a GR 09

=A0http://www.s=
uonoelettronico.com/public/articoli/roland_gr09.jpg 



Im quite unsure of this one, off to find the manual, and check ebay! ha=
 ha!



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Nope.  GR-300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N2tMSMIekc
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  On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Mark Hamburg  wrote:

    On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
    Blue would presumably mean GR-300.


  No I think maybe Rick meant a GR 09

   http://www.suonoelettronico.com/public/articoli/roland_gr09.jpg 

  Im quite unsure of this one, off to find the manual, and check ebay! ha ha!




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Nope.  GR-300


 




  
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> 
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On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
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    would presumably mean GR-300.

  

No I think maybe Rick meant a GR 09

 http://www.suonoelettronico.com/public/articoli/roland_gr09.jpg 
  

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  ha ha!



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Why nope Toby?
Rick said BLUE.. GR 09 was blue too!!
Im not sure tho, but I dont think it had any kind of arp/seq.. checkin=B4So=
 im
wondering if Rick actually got it mixed up with the GR30, that I continue t=
o
sing praises for..

M

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Toby G  wrote:

> **
> Nope.  GR-300
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-N2tMSMIekc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* mark francombe 
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Old Guitar Synths (was Re: Roland gr55)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Mark Hamburg  wrote:
>
>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
>> Blue would presumably mean GR-300.
>>
>
> No I think maybe Rick meant a GR 09
>
>  http://www.suonoelettronico.com/public/articoli/roland_gr09.jpg
>
> Im quite unsure of this one, off to find the manual, and check ebay! ha h=
a!
>
>
>
> --
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> twitter @markfrancombe
>
>


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Why nope Toby? 
Rick said BLUE.. GR 09 was blue too!!
Im not sure tho=
, but I dont think it had any kind of arp/seq.. checkin=B4So im wondering i=
f Rick actually got it mixed up with the GR30, that I continue to sing prai=
ses for.. 



M

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:25 AM, To=
by G <carpet8@mac.c=
om> wrote:











Nope.=A0 GR-300


=A0





  
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Mark Hamburg =
<mark@grubmah.com>=20
  wrote:

  
On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Rick W=
alker wrote:
Blue=20
    would presumably mean GR-300.

  

No I think maybe Rick meant a GR 09

=A0http://www.suonoelettronico.com/public/articoli/roland_gr09.jpg=20
  

Im quite unsure of this one, off to find the manual, and check eb=
ay!=20
  ha ha!



-- 
Mark=20
  Francombe
www.markfranco=
mbe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter=20
  @markfrancombe





-- 
Mark Fra=
ncombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


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I think the 09 looks like Grimace: =
http://www.catsandbeer.com/television/grimace

It's a little purplish to my eyes. : P
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Why nope Toby?=20
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  On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Toby G  wrote:

    Nope.  GR-300

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-N2tMSMIekc
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      On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Mark Hamburg  =
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        On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
        Blue would presumably mean GR-300.


      No I think maybe Rick meant a GR 09

       http://www.suonoelettronico.com/public/articoli/roland_gr09.jpg=20

      Im quite unsure of this one, off to find the manual, and check =
ebay! ha ha!




      --=20
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      www.markfrancombe.com
      www.ordoabkhao.com
      http://vimeo.com/user825094
      http://www.looop.no
      twitter @markfrancombe




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I think the 09 looks like Grimace: http://www.catsand=
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It's a little purplish to my eyes. : =
P


  
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Nope.  GR-300

    
 

    
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-N2tMSMIekc
    

    

    

    
      
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      On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Rick Walker=20
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No I think maybe Rick meant a GR 09

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Gareth

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so we got: ? > M 13 > LOOP SEND > RANG > LOOP RETURN M 13 > speakers.....




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mark francombe wrote:
> Why nope Toby?
> Rick said BLUE.. GR 09 was blue too!!
> Im not sure tho, but I dont think it had any kind of arp/seq..
> checkin=B4So im wondering if Rick actually got it mixed up with the GR3=
0,
> that I continue to sing praises for..

Back in the early 90's, buddy of mine had a GR-09.  He'd previously used=20
a GR-700, tied to a vintage Gibson Firebird with custom electronics.=20
However, somebody offered him as much for the Firebird alone as he'd=20
spent on his entire setup -- guitar, amp, synth, & all -- so he switched=20
to a new guitar with the GR-09.

Heard it the first time, and all I could think was: meh!  While the=20
GR-700 was nowhere near as nice as the GR-300, it was still head &=20
shoulders above the GR-09, IMNSHO.  Not to mention, IIRC, he kept trying=20
to play piano patches on the guitar, which to this day I still really,=20
really hate the sound of.

FWIW, I bought the GR-700 floor module off him at a steal.  At the time,=20
there was a repair shop -- Dr. T's in NYC, I believe -- that advertised=20
a retrofit for the GR-700 that would allow MIDI input so you could play=20
it just like a regular synth module (the synth engine was the exact same=20
as that in a JX-3P).  While it was always on my 'to-do' list, I never=20
actually got around to it.  So I've still got the GR-700 locked away in=20
storage back in the States.  C'est la vie.  <*shrug*>

And Mark Hamburg mentioned the disconnection from the instrument due to=20
pitch lag, which I do agree with.  Only controller I've ever used where=20
that was never a problem is my Yamaha G-10/G-10R setup, which I've=20
already posted about here ad nauseum (tracks like lightning, but with=20
caveats; check the archives).  Although I will say that I'm pleasantly=20
surprised with my GR-20's tracking on the *internal* synth engine (not=20
so great as a MIDI interface, however).

I've been using the GR-20 in my latest mad scientist experiment -- a=20
cheap Rogue SX Lap Steel with a Roland GK-3 pickup controlling my VG-99=20
& GR-20 -- and surprisingly enough the tracking *doesn't* suck.  It=20
actually gives a somewhat pleasant effect when I quantize the synth to=20
strict 12-tone note values, and then mix that with the normal pickup=20
sound which, due to my lousy playing technique, is always just a scoutch=20
off the mark.  But I find the GR-20's internal synth can track=20
free-pitch pretty darn well when I want it too, with only a little=20
noticeable lag.

	-m-

(P.S. Sorry for my long silence over the last six months or so.  First,=20
my email computer blew up and I was stuck with nothing but web-mail --=20
which I genuinely hate.  Shortly after, I had a cool new job fall in my=20
lap.  So my family & I have spent the past few months running around=20
trying to prepare for a move from Japan to Riyadh, KSA.  Apologies to=20
anyone who thought I'd perished in the earthquake/nuclear disaster here.=20
  So far, my life's still a bit spotty, but nice to be back for the most=20
part.)

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mark francombe wrote:
> Why nope Toby?
> Rick said BLUE.. GR 09 was blue too!!
> Im not sure tho, but I dont think it had any kind of arp/seq..
> checkin=B4So im wondering if Rick actually got it mixed up with the GR3=
0,
> that I continue to sing praises for..

Back in the early 90's, buddy of mine had a GR-09. He'd previously used=20
a GR-700, tied to a vintage Gibson Firebird with custom electronics.=20
However, somebody offered him as much for the Firebird alone as he'd=20
spent on his entire setup -- guitar, amp, synth, & all -- so he switched=20
to a new guitar with the GR-09.

Heard it the first time, and all I could think was: meh! While the=20
GR-700 was nowhere near as nice as the GR-300, it was still head &=20
shoulders above the GR-09, IMNSHO. Not to mention, IIRC, he kept trying=20
to play piano patches on the guitar, which to this day I still really,=20
really hate the sound of.

FWIW, I bought the GR-700 floor module off him at a steal. At the time,=20
there was a repair shop -- Dr. T's in NYC, I believe -- that advertised=20
a retrofit for the GR-700 that would allow MIDI input so you could play=20
it just like a regular synth module (the synth engine was the exact same=20
as that in a JX-3P). While it was always on my 'to-do' list, I never=20
actually got around to it. So I've still got the GR-700 locked away in=20
storage back in the States. C'est la vie. <*shrug*>

And Mark Hamburg mentioned the disconnection from the instrument due to=20
pitch lag, which I do agree with. Only controller I've ever used where=20
that was never a problem is my Yamaha G-10/G-10R setup, which I've=20
already posted about here ad nauseum (tracks like lightning, but with=20
caveats; check the archives). Although I will say that I'm pleasantly=20
surprised with my GR-20's tracking on the *internal* synth engine (not=20
so great as a MIDI interface, however).

I've been using the GR-20 in my latest mad scientist experiment -- a=20
cheap Rogue SX Lap Steel with a Roland GK-3 pickup controlling my VG-99=20
& GR-20 -- and surprisingly enough the tracking *doesn't* suck. It=20
actually gives a somewhat pleasant effect when I quantize the synth to=20
strict 12-tone note values, and then mix that with the normal pickup=20
sound which, due to my lousy playing technique, is always just a scoutch=20
off the mark. But I find the GR-20's internal synth can track free-pitch=20
pretty darn well when I want it too, with only a little noticeable lag.

-m-

(P.S. Sorry for my long silence over the last six months or so. First,=20
my email computer blew up and I was stuck with nothing but web-mail --=20
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I see why and from my perspective it would be more value to for example rec=
ord MIDI to a squencer and have the sequencer control a synth than to direc=
tly play synth sound with the guitar. If I want the guitar to sound like a =
synth I prefer to keep using the guitar waveform and mangle that than to tr=
igger a oscillator or an other waveform. So I would be more happy with an e=
xcellent guitar to.. but I do understand both needs..
All good..
Anders

> Date: Tue=2C 30 Aug 2011 16:59:58 -0600
> Subject: Re: Roland gr55
> From: sinsofmachaut@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> Well-said=2C Mark =85 the lag/lack of efficiency from using a GI-20 to ge=
t
> MIDI into a synth module isn't hideous (haven't really objectively
> tested it) and suspect it's about on par with going straight to a GR-1
> or GR-20 (I've  run both). And using the VG-8 is about the same.
>=20
> So the idea of getting some floor space back by not having both a GR-1
> AND a VG-8 would be nice (I'd still use a US-20 to split things off to
> the GI-20 =97 I LIKE having a full-blown synth module being driven by
> the guitar =85).
>=20
> Anders=2C do you see why now?
>=20
> Best=2C
>=20
> Dennis
>=20
> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozoloft.com
> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Tue=2C Aug 30=2C 2011 at 4:51 PM=2C mark francombe  wrote:
> > Yeah you are missing a few things Anders.
> >
> > Firstly=2C there are very few 12 string pickups like the GK2 and 3 to c=
hoose
> > from=2C there Rolan and Axon (an one more I believe) Both need a machin=
e to
> > plug into=2C No=2C its not midi coming out of that pickup... yet. The g=
uitar
> > synth is the bit that will do that for you=2C and in a large way is the=
 bit
> > that can affect the tracking and response of the midi information. From=
 that
> > box you CAN connect to a synth=2C but in my experience there has been a
> > greater lag and even less response.
> >
> > The OTHER hex route is the VG style boxes.
> >
> > The reasone why we are all getting hot under the collar about the GR55 =
is
> > that its the first box to combine both systems.
> > So convenience... I think that is what this synth seems to offer.
> >
> > Personally if I can use it for rudimentory guitar sounds (distortions a=
nd
> > reverbs) as well as the synth stuff=2C it frees up some space in the ra=
ck for
> > more weirdness...
> >
> >  wrote:
> > I can see anuy knobs on the gr55 that allows for fun realtime manipulat=
ions
> > of LFO's=2C filters and other fun stuff..
> >
> > er.. it has a pedal?
> >
> > :-))
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed=2C Aug 31=2C 2011 at 12:38 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Why would one want a guitar synth and not an MIDI interface to any of =
the
> >> many great synths out there... I can see anuy knobs on the gr55 that a=
llows
> >> for fun realtime manipulations of LFO's=2C filters and other fun stuff=
..
> >> Or am I missing something..
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: billwalker@baymoon.com
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Subject: Re: Roland gr55
> >> Date: Tue=2C 30 Aug 2011 15:31:37 -0700
> >>
> >> Also Sprach Mark
> >>
> >> Quite interesting read Hans=2C actually most are a little disappointed=
 with
> >> the sounds. Im not too bothered by that tho=2C cos Ive never had a syn=
th that
> >> did have good presets. My trusty GR30 took years to get to what I have=
 now
> >> 10 usable patches. And back to arps... What is with that? On the Gr 30=
 there
> >> was this amazing Arpegiator=2C that is a staple for me=2C I use it eve=
ryday=2C and
> >> Ive still yet to try the Walker repeater trick (due to needing 2 midi =
merge
> >> boxes to do it).
> >>  I couldn't agree more though I haven't used mine in sometime=2C the g=
r30's
> >> arpeggiator and what it could do to drive my repeater was totally
> >> responsible for some of the things I was doing 7 years ago. All the
> >> impossible to play arpeggio stuff was using the gr as an arp trigger f=
or the
> >> repeater=2C to make single note samples behave polyphonically with a w=
ild
> >> natural portamento between notes=2C however limited  the sound engine =
was the
> >> arpeggiator did and still does kick ass=2C simple to program easy to u=
se. Re
> >> GR55=2C  I will investigate further but I believe you are right=2C any
> >> arpeggiation is patch specific and non programmable. Haven't had much =
time
> >> on one personally=2C they have trickled in and sold quickly.
> >>  Bill
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Francombe
> > www.markfrancombe.com
> > www.ordoabkhao.com
> > http://vimeo.com/user825094
> > http://www.looop.no
> > twitter @markfrancombe
> >
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Anders

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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Mark Hamburg  wrote:
> Blue would presumably mean GR-300.

That's what I as well assumed. In the early eighties I played Matheny
inspired original compositions with another guitar player (+ add
stand-in drummers and bassists) and this band mate picked up the
GR-300 right on the release (Matheny used it in a lovely way on the
White Falcon soundtrack by that time). I had the chance to play it
quite a lot and did not like it so much because of its vibrato
solutions: you press a knob to get that IMHO "ugly and cheesy" LFO
vibrato. No way to work with alternate tempo changes in the vibrato
while playing long notes, which is quite limiting. But the triggering
was great and it sounded just like an analog synth, which might be a
good thing if you fancy that. In a later band, doing industrial goth
metal, I used a normal MIDI pickup (the Casio MG501), and although the
triggering was slow this worked out very well in the band context
since I just layered slow attack synth sounds behind the real
humbucker crunch sound. I tried to record MIDI into computer
sequencers (and an Alesis MMT8) but had to give it up because of the
latency caused by the slow tracking that also got worse by low pitched
notes. Today, if I want to double a monophonic guitar/stick line in a
studio recording I simply record the audio as it is and have the DAW
convert a copy of it into MIDI. Gets the job done with less hassle. If
I want to play "something synth" with a great feel I use an EWI to
play the MIDI synth directly; I don't think any string instrument will
ever be capable of offering the subtle expression control you get with
a 4000s.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote:
> Why nope Toby?
> Rick said BLUE.. GR 09 was blue too!!
> Im not sure tho, but I dont think it had any kind of arp/seq.. 
> checkin´So im wondering if Rick actually got it mixed up with the 
> GR30, that I continue to sing praises for.. 
Bill is the only one who can definitively answer this.     All I 
remember is that it was much more manual and less 'presety' than later 
versions and it was
really early in the game.........not the first synth they made but 
really early............Bill?   are you there?   Help us out.

and hell...........does anyone who is doing okay financially want this 
piece of history that I'd love to sell  (the original GS500 guitar 
controller for the original
synth Roland put out)?     I'll sell it inexpensively if it is a list 
member............I was advised to ask a grand for it,  but I'll sell it 
at a fraction of that cost
if anyone here is interested.  Otherwise it's up to E-bay.

rick walker

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th the sale. I'd have though someone on this list would snap it up..
G

> Date: Wed=2C 31 Aug 2011 05:41:05 -0700
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>=20
> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C mark francombe wrote:
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> > Rick said BLUE.. GR 09 was blue too!!
> > Im not sure tho=2C but I dont think it had any kind of arp/seq..=20
> > checkin=B4So im wondering if Rick actually got it mixed up with the=20
> > GR30=2C that I continue to sing praises for..=20
> Bill is the only one who can definitively answer this.     All I=20
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> really early in the game.........not the first synth they made but=20
> really early............Bill?   are you there?   Help us out.
>=20
> and hell...........does anyone who is doing okay financially want this=20
> piece of history that I'd love to sell  (the original GS500 guitar=20
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> synth Roland put out)?     I'll sell it inexpensively if it is a list=20
> member............I was advised to ask a grand for it=2C  but I'll sell i=
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This is the one with infinite sustain isn't it Rick? Shame it's not a lefty=
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G

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>=3B To: mark@markf=
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>=3B CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Su=
bject: Re: Re: Old Guitar Synths (was Re: Roland gr55)
>=3B 
>=3B=
 On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C mark francombe wrote:
>=3B >=3B Why nope Tob=
y?
>=3B >=3B Rick said BLUE.. GR 09 was blue too!!
>=3B >=3B =
Im not sure tho=2C but I dont think it had any kind of arp/seq.. 
>=3B=
 >=3B checkin=B4So im wondering if Rick actually got it mixed up with the=
 
>=3B >=3B GR30=2C that I continue to sing praises for.. 
>=3B=
 Bill is the only one who can definitively answer this.     All I 
>=
=3B remember is that it was much more manual and less 'presety' than later =

>=3B versions and it was
>=3B really early in the game.........n=
ot the first synth they made but 
>=3B really early............Bill?  =
 are you there?   Help us out.
>=3B 
>=3B and hell...........does=
 anyone who is doing okay financially want this 
>=3B piece of history=
 that I'd love to sell  (the original GS500 guitar 
>=3B controller fo=
r the original
>=3B synth Roland put out)?     I'll sell it inexpensiv=
ely if it is a list 
>=3B member............I was advised to ask a gra=
nd for it=2C  but I'll sell it 
>=3B at a fraction of that cost
>=
=3B if anyone here is interested.  Otherwise it's up to E-bay.
>=3B >=3B rick walker
>=3B 
 		 	   		  

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And speaking of repairs =97

Is there ANYONE in the US that can work on a GR-1? (Yes, I confess to
owning two, and this issue is why. Call it "The Law of Spares.")

My original (to me, who knows how many hands this one passed though
before me!) GR-1 has a bad connection to the power supply and I do not
feel confident enough to try and sort it out. When it's getting power,
I love it, but there is little as frustrating as playing and suddenly
having it lose power.

Thanks,

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> FWIW, I bought the GR-700 floor module off him at a steal. =A0At the time=
,
> there was a repair shop -- Dr. T's in NYC, I believe -- that advertised a
> retrofit for the GR-700 that would allow MIDI input so you could play it

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tanks for the advice one and all.....








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You're armored personnel carrier welcome!

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> tanks for the advice one and all.....
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Rick is confused I went from a GR-1 to a GR 30 and I think it was a  
gamelan metalaphone sound I had used on the GR-1 that Rick was  
referring to.
Bill

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Often times people use the /snark tag to mark a statement as sarcastic, etc.

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My roland synth history:
GR-300 with a white  GR 202 guitar as controller
GM-70  controlling roland and yamaha synth modules
GR-1
GR-30

I'm not sure when I will get back in to guitar synthesis, ultimately  
perhaps, though issues of latency, weak internal sound engines and  
Roland's tendency to arbitrarily drop features from one generation to  
another has been a source of frustration.  I definitely have a love  
hate relationship with Roland, if they really are listening to what  
pros are asking for in this technology I sure don't see much evidence.  
They might start with a sound engine that rivals the kind of power  
that they have in one of there flag ship synths, with a fully  
programable arpeggiator to boot.
  Bill

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First, I love my GR300/303/808.  I never thought I'd EVER disagree with Per,=
 but I love the weird R&B LFO on the 300, I love how it works & wobbles, has=
 a Prince-like sound when done right.=20

Having focused almost exclusively roots-ish / Americana music production for=
 the past 6 years and music for film and video before that, the sound of the=
 guit synth just hasn't been appropriate.  But I dream of getting it fixed (=
resonance circuit down) someday soon!  I listen to my old recordings and swo=
on!

And Bill - not just Roland.  It seems everyone in music equip making is cons=
tantly improving the wheel.  I suspect it's so they can sell new wheels to f=
olks that are getting around just fine on the wheels they have!  The great a=
nd horrible joke is the OLD stuff quite often sounds way better.  Fairchild,=
 Telefunken, vinyl, tape etc etc.   Having said that and to add some flame r=
etardant, I remember the old 2" tape machines eating tape, being a nightmare=
 to edit, bias etc...=20

Richard Sales
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On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:28 AM, William Walker  wrote:

> My roland synth history:
> GR-300 with a white  GR 202 guitar as controller
> GM-70  controlling roland and yamaha synth modules
> GR-1
> GR-30
>=20
> I'm not sure when I will get back in to guitar synthesis, ultimately perha=
ps, though issues of latency, weak internal sound engines and Roland's tende=
ncy to arbitrarily drop features from one generation to another has been a s=
ource of frustration.  I definitely have a love hate relationship with Rolan=
d, if they really are listening to what pros are asking for in this technolo=
gy I sure don't see much evidence. They might start with a sound engine that=
 rivals the kind of power that they have in one of there flag ship synths, w=
ith a fully programable arpeggiator to boot.
> Bill
>=20

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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:18 PM, richard sales  wrot=
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> First, I love my GR300/303/808. =C2=A0I never thought I'd EVER disagree w=
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bles, has a Prince-like sound when done right.

Richard, I'm sure I would be able to use that vibrato button in a fun
musical way today! I was just telling what I thought about it in
1982.... 4 cheeaize's sake! I don't feel too comfy thinking about how
thickheaded I have been in the past ;-)  Would love to take a time
machine and go back to give my old self a healthy good punch-up!

Per

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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:

> I don't feel too comfy thinking about how
> thickheaded I have been in the past ;-)  Would love to take a time
> machine and go back to give my old self a healthy good punch-up!
>

I sympathise Per...

Roland Bassline 303 SOLD
Korg VC 01 Vocoder SOLD
Yamaha CS 30  FUCKING SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you find that Time Machine Per, I wanna borrow it, someone, namely ME
needs a real kicking!!!

-- 
*Mark Francombe*
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:



I don't feel too comfy thinking about how

thickheaded I have been in the past ;-) =A0Would love to take a time

machine and go back to give my old self a healthy good punch-up!

I sympathise Per...

Roland Bassline 303 SOLD
Ko=
rg VC 01 Vocoder SOLD 
Yamaha CS 30=A0 FUCKING SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!



If you find that Time Machine Per, I wanna borrow it, someone, namely ME ne=
eds a real kicking!!!

-- 
<=
font style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" size=3D"4">Mark Franc=
ombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe


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> I don't feel too comfy thinking about how
> thickheaded I have been in the past ;-)  Would love to take a time
> machine and go back to give my old self a healthy good punch-up!
> 
> I sympathise Per...


I need no time machine- I can usually find my most recent embarrassing moment in the last 24 hours--  when they are fresh and stinky, they punch the best.  I am sure there is probably a good example of my own thickheaded-ness in the last few days of Fuddski threading. My apologies Elmer.  I know better -- at times I actually live better too.  :)

Now--  what was this forum about again?  O right.. looping technology, artisitic expression and the occassional family of origin tangent.

Kumbaya
Daniel 

 



On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:04 AM, mark francombe wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:
> I don't feel too comfy thinking about how
> thickheaded I have been in the past ;-)  Would love to take a time
> machine and go back to give my old self a healthy good punch-up!
> 
> I sympathise Per...
> 
> Roland Bassline 303 SOLD
> Korg VC 01 Vocoder SOLD 
> Yamaha CS 30  FUCKING SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> If you find that Time Machine Per, I wanna borrow it, someone, namely ME needs a real kicking!!!
> 
> -- 
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe


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I =
don't feel too comfy thinking about how
thickheaded I have been in =
the past ;-)  Would love to take a time
machine and go back to =
give my old self a healthy good punch-up!

I =
sympathise Per...

I need no =
time machine- I can usually find my most recent embarrassing moment in =
the last 24 hours--  when they are fresh and stinky, they punch the =
best.  I am sure there is probably a good example of my own =
thickheaded-ness in the last few days of Fuddski threading. My apologies =
Elmer.  I know better -- at times I actually live better too. =
 :)

Now--  what was this forum about =
again?  O right.. looping technology, artisitic expression and the =
occassional family of origin =
tangent.

Kumbaya
Daniel 

 



On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:04 AM, mark francombe wrote:

On Wed, =
Aug 31, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> =
wrote:



I don't feel too comfy thinking about how

thickheaded I have been in the past ;-)  Would love to take a =
time

machine and go back to give my old self a healthy good =
punch-up!

I sympathise Per...

Roland =
Bassline 303 SOLD
Korg VC 01 Vocoder SOLD 
Yamaha CS 30  =
FUCKING SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!



If you find that Time Machine Per, I wanna borrow it, someone, namely ME =
needs a real kicking!!!

-- 
Mark Francombe


www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com


http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


twitter @markfrancombe



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Take a number.

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  I definitely have a love  
hate relationship with Roland, 

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> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:
>>
>> I don't feel too comfy thinking about how
>> thickheaded I have been in the past ;-) =C2=A0Would love to take a time
>> machine and go back to give my old self a healthy good punch-up!

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:04 PM, mark francombe  wr=
ote:
> I sympathise Per...
>
> Roland Bassline 303 SOLD
> Korg VC 01 Vocoder SOLD
> Yamaha CS 30=C2=A0 FUCKING SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> If you find that Time Machine Per, I wanna borrow it, someone, namely ME
> needs a real kicking!!!


Funnily I had originally written "might ask Mark to come with me as
expertize" but deleted it before sending in the post :-))

My worst sins:
Gibson Les Paul Junior -59 SOLD
Gibson SG Junior -57 SOLD
Ibanez George Benson SOLD
Gibson ES 12 stringed SOLD
Gibson ES 335 SOLD (did not KNOW I could have that old axe re-fretted!
Stupid me though it was "worn out")

See?

per ;-/

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I think most of us have a list like that.

Moog Rogue. sold to buy an ARP Avatar.  big mistake.
'78 Peavey Classic 50 amp.  sold.
70's Mutron BiPhase - sold.
70's Mutron touch wah - sold.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:

> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Per Boysen  wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't feel too comfy thinking about how
> >> thickheaded I have been in the past ;-)  Would love to take a time
> >> machine and go back to give my old self a healthy good punch-up!
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:04 PM, mark francombe 
> wrote:
> > I sympathise Per...
> >
> > Roland Bassline 303 SOLD
> > Korg VC 01 Vocoder SOLD
> > Yamaha CS 30  FUCKING SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > If you find that Time Machine Per, I wanna borrow it, someone, namely ME
> > needs a real kicking!!!
>
>
> Funnily I had originally written "might ask Mark to come with me as
> expertize" but deleted it before sending in the post :-))
>
> My worst sins:
> Gibson Les Paul Junior -59 SOLD
> Gibson SG Junior -57 SOLD
> Ibanez George Benson SOLD
> Gibson ES 12 stringed SOLD
> Gibson ES 335 SOLD (did not KNOW I could have that old axe re-fretted!
> Stupid me though it was "worn out")
>
> See?
>
> per ;-/
>
>


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I think most of us have a list like that.

Moog Rogue. sold to buy an=
 ARP Avatar.=A0 big mistake.
'78 Peavey Classic 50 amp.=A0 sold.
=
70's Mutron BiPhase - sold.=A0 
70's Mutron touch wah - sold.=A0=
 


On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen =
<perboysen@gmai=
l.com> wrote:


> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> I don't feel too comfy thinking about how

>> thickheaded I have been in the past ;-) =A0Would love to take a ti=
me

>> machine and go back to give my old self a healthy good punch-up!



On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:04 PM, mark francombe <=
;mark@markfrancombe.com> w=
rote:

> I sympathise Per...

>

> Roland Bassline 303 SOLD

> Korg VC 01 Vocoder SOLD

> Yamaha CS 30=A0 FUCKING SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> If you find that Time Machine Per, I wanna borrow it, someone, namely =
ME

> needs a real kicking!!!






Funnily I had originally written "might ask Mark to come with me=
 as

expertize" but deleted it before sending in the post :-))



My worst sins:

Gibson Les Paul Junior -59 SOLD

Gibson SG Junior -57 SOLD

Ibanez George Benson SOLD

Gibson ES 12 stringed SOLD

Gibson ES 335 SOLD (did not KNOW I could have that old axe re-fretted!

Stupid me though it was "worn out")



See?



per ;-/







-- 
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=A0=0A=A0=0AMoog synthesizer in great condition picked up in a pawn shop fo=
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eir "flagship" looper (Boss, actually, I guess) and now only have the 2-tra=
ck (which is nice) looper as their top tier looping device? I am hoping the=
y release something better that addresses features lacking in the dropped m=
odel.


 


 


Moog synthesizer in great condition picked up in=
 a pawn shop for $150.00 - SOLD


1965 Goldtop Les Paul - SOLD


 


 






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Take a number.

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This item is now sold.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Ricky Graham
 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I know there are a few heads on here that may be interested in MIDI
> guitar orientated gear. I have an axon ax-50 board (without housing,
> but with adapter, USB cable, software etc.) in good working condition.
> Please drop me an email if you're interested.
>
> Best,
>
> Ricky
>

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On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote:
> Rick is confused I went from a GR-1 to a GR 30 and I think it was a 
> gamelan metalaphone sound I had used on the GR-1 that Rick was 
> referring to. 
I frequently am.......................

Thanks for the clarification and you're right.  I'd forgotten the 
patch.   You used that
on "Jam Karet"  on the Worlds Collide, CD,  correct?    I'm still very 
proud of that track and especially your playing on it, Bill.

rick

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> Thanks for the clarification and you're right.  I'd forgotten the patch.   You used that
> on "Jam Karet"  on the Worlds Collide, CD,  correct?    I'm still very proud of that track and especially your playing on it, Bill.
Jam Karet-  Time IS rubber.-- 

And time really  is rubber when you are  a recording archivist like me.  

Proof-- fresh from my time bending machine-- a moment nearly lost-- Jam Karet with the fabulous band, Worlds Collide. 
https://files.me.com/danielthomas4/mv532s.mp3

D
On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote:
>> Rick is confused I went from a GR-1 to a GR 30 and I think it was a gamelan metalaphone sound I had used on the GR-1 that Rick was referring to. 
> I frequently am.......................
> 
> Thanks for the clarification and you're right.  I'd forgotten the patch.   You used that
> on "Jam Karet"  on the Worlds Collide, CD,  correct?    I'm still very proud of that track and especially your playing on it, Bill.
> 
> rick
> 


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Thanks for the clarification and =
you're right.  I'd forgotten the patch.   You used =
that
on "Jam Karet"  on the Worlds Collide, CD,  correct? =
   I'm still very proud of that track and especially your =
playing on it, Bill.
Jam Karet-  Time =
IS rubber.-- 

And time really  is rubber =
when you are  a recording archivist like me. =
 

Proof-- fresh from my time bending machine-- a =
moment nearly lost-- Jam Karet with the fabulous band, Worlds =
Collide. 

D
On Aug =
31, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

On =
7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote:
Rick =
is confused I went from a GR-1 to a GR 30 and I think it was a gamelan =
metalaphone sound I had used on the GR-1 that Rick was referring to. =

I frequently =
am.......................<grin>

Thanks for the =
clarification and you're right.  I'd forgotten the patch. =
  You used that
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CD,  correct?    I'm still very proud of that track =
and especially your playing on it, =
Bill.

rick


=

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Hmmmm,

Wasn't there a band in the mid '80s called that (maybe spelled Djam 
Karet if I actually recall)?

It seems I remember so.

Or not . . .

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote:

  Thanks for the clarification and you're right.  I'd forgotten the 
patch.   You used that
on "Jam Karet"  on the Worlds Collide, CD,  correct?    I'm still very 
proud of that track and especially your playing on it, Bill.

Jam Karet-  Time IS rubber.--

And time really  is rubber when you are  a recording archivist like me.

Proof-- fresh from my time bending machine-- a moment nearly lost-- Jam 
Karet with the fabulous band, Worlds Collide.
https://files.me.com/danielthomas4/mv532s.mp3 
 


D


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Hmmmm,

Wasn't there a band in the mid '80s called that=
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It seems I remember so.
Or not . . .
On Wed, Aug 31, =
2011 at 3:58 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote:

 Thanks for the clarifica=
tion and you're right.  I'd forgotten the patch.   You used =
that 
on "Jam Karet&=
quot;  on the Worlds Collide, CD,  correct?    I'm=
 still very proud of that track and especially your playing on it, Bill. 

Jam Karet-&=
nbsp; Time IS rubber.--  

And time really  is rubber when you are  a r=
ecording archivist like me.   

=

Proof-- fresh from my time bending machine--=
 a moment nearly lost-- Jam Karet with the fabulous band, Worlds Collide.&n=
bsp; 
<=
U>https://files.me.com/danielthomas4/mv532s.mp3

D 
 =



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File Not Found :-(

Kevin

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Daniel Thomas  wrot=
e:
> Thanks for the clarification and you're right. =A0I'd forgotten the patch=
.
> =A0=A0You used that
> on "Jam Karet" =A0on the Worlds Collide, CD, =A0correct? =A0=A0=A0I'm sti=
ll very proud
> of that track and especially your playing on it, Bill.
>
> Jam Karet- =A0Time IS rubber.--
> And time really =A0is rubber when you are =A0a recording archivist like m=
e.
> Proof-- fresh from my time bending machine-- a moment nearly lost-- Jam
> Karet with the fabulous band, Worlds Collide.
> https://files.me.com/danielthomas4/mv532s.mp3
> D
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
>
> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote:
>
> Rick is confused I went from a GR-1 to a GR 30 and I think it was a gamel=
an
> metalaphone sound I had used on the GR-1 that Rick was referring to.
>
> I frequently am.......................
>
> Thanks for the clarification and you're right. =A0I'd forgotten the patch=
.
> =A0=A0You used that
> on "Jam Karet" =A0on the Worlds Collide, CD, =A0correct? =A0=A0=A0I'm sti=
ll very proud
> of that track and especially your playing on it, Bill.
>
> rick
>
>
>



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